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The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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the world. It's time for another
edition of the flat Earth Files. I

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hope this podcast finds you well.
We have a very special guest standing by

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before we bring him on. Just
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any further ado, we are going
to bring in our very special guest this

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evening. As we record, it's
March second, on a Saturday evening,

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and our guest tonight is Vica.
Where it is just after midnight. How

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are you doing tonight, sir,
Hey George, how are you doing?

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I'm doing it, Thanks for the
thanks for the invite, a pleasure to

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be here on discussing flat out on
flat out files. There you go,

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and you've done some great work.
You've made some waves as recently as just

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I think last week. But before
we get into all those great discussions,

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why don't you take a few minutes
an introduce use yourself to the audience.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, I go
by Vikatraziv. I'm a producer and director

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of two flat documentaries. One's called
flat on the Curve, which deals with

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the pilot's marines, aeronautic engineers,
submarines, merchant marines, all the guys

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testifying how their instrumental gadgets only work
on a stationary flat Earth. And the

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second documentary is about anticketter mechanism,
which is supposed to be was a hidden

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technology from us, a working geocentric
stationary model like and then also I have

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more than two hundred videos researching flat
Earth and podcasts, so I've done a

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lot of research and almost five years
I'm into flatter Earth. So there's hardly

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any topic, any aspect of flatter
that has escaped from me. Right,

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So here's the question that I like
to ask everybody. Were you in the

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like David Weise, he was in
the conspiracies way before flat Earth. Were

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you the same or was flat Earth
kind of your first conspiracy? Oh?

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No, I was into everything we
could imagine right from the almost from the

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nineties right even when they when almost
like when CNN started, you could already

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start seeing stuff going around that wasn't
making sense, right, And then we

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had the Two Towers, you know, and things got opening up, right,

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so, and also the Big Brother
stuff came into and whatever is going.

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I'm into everything, but I only
focus on flatter out because they're very

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easy for them to, you know, cancel you out, because if you

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take serious topics right Apart from that's
why I am into everything, But all

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my platforms are only dedicated to flat
out and geocentric for sure. I cover

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many others related to that, but
not very strong conspiracy because yeah, sooner

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or later, the all algorithms gets
you and they kick you off, right.

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Yeah, we learned that lesson very
painfully over the last three or four

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years. If you mentioned a certain
thing that gets injected into your arm,

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you would be platformed and your videos
would get kicked off very quickly. Yet

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here we are in twenty twenty four, and it turns out that once again

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the conspiracy theorists were right, huh
oh yeah, absolutely, and especially if

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you're working on your platform for years
and it takes so much time to build

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plat build your platform. Because I've
my main platform is Facebook, right,

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my page, and I have a
really good following my video. Some of

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them are like, have a couple
of million hits, right, I don't

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want to lose that, you know, I don't know when I want to

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lose that because there are many people
speaking about it, right, So,

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but yeah, I know what the
hell is happening. You know what they're

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doing, right, So for showing
we have private chats and discussion we all

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all over. So here's a question. I've thought about it, and it's

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been asked to me a few times. Like, on the surface, flat

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Earth appears to most people just some
niche, silly air quote conspiracy theory.

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But folks like you and I and
many of our most of our listeners really

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understand the consequences of heliocentrism and evolution
and big Bang and this big scientism push

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over the last one hundred years that
has essentially pushed God to the side and

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championed you know, man, I
would preface that with evil men. So

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why is it that if you talk
about nine to eleven or you know,

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COVID or all these other things,
why do they continue to let us freely

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talk about it, like especially about
flattered or no, especially about flat Earth.

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How come like we we can get
booted for everything we just mentioned,

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but it's okay to talk about flatter
Earth. They don't really censor now the

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high algorithms and stuff, but they
don't really go to a censorship extremes like

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they do on COVID and nine to
eleven exactly exactly because it's not really hurting

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them to a level that other thing. Right, because for a majority for

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the masses, this is like a
like a funny stupid conspiracy, right,

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So many will never the masses will
never see when if we put them right

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in the face. So they know
that. That's why we could go on

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with flatter because they also learn things
and this is a this is a question

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geocentric or heliocentric from one hundreds and
thousands of years, people are discussing about

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it. Right. This also create
engagement. This gets the algorithm, it

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gets the traffic. You know,
maybe they are using us to get their

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more data, more better to you
know, for the future generations to give

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them more hard time, to confuse
them more. Right, So, who

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knows, you know, many I
could be bots. You know there are

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many boats who's trying to argue with
you on social media just to get out

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of you more reasoning. You know
where they can get you more in the

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future because they know where they have
done mistakes and how they can correct them.

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Right, because both going over the
horizon was hundreds of years ago,

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they were saying the same thing.
They can't do that keep doing the same

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thing. They have to come up
with new ways to keep that indoctrination going

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right, So in a way,
and everybody learns, right, everybody learns.

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And for sure, if you reach
to a level where it's really hitting

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the masses, they're gonna catch cut
out of you, right, yep,

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absolutely yeah, if they see the
tide turn too much, I think they

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would do that one hundred. But
it's still while I will argue that just

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in the last four or five years, the stigmatism of flatter has gone back

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a little bit. I've seen it. If I brought it up on my

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other podcast five years ago, I
would my email. Two things that'll set

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people off Trump and flatter. Those
two subjects will set people off. But

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I don't see that as much as
I used to. In just a matter

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of five years, and in the
last two weeks I've interviewed people from Latvia,

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United Kingdom, Australia, Canada,
the United States, and here is

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Vica from Spain this evening. So
I do think, and you know,

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all the hard work that yourself and
David Weiss and folks like that have put

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in, I think we are starting
to see some We are seeing some progress.

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Oh yeah, because as one of
my good friends says, right,

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they're feeding us, even if you
like it or not. You know all

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the crap on TikTok and everything right, even if you want to know the

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pushing it right. So flat Earth
is the same thing now, the people

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want it or not, it's in
the face. Everybody has to eat it.

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Right. So the ones who are
awake, have a bit of common

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sense left, a bit of soul
or spirituality left, will try to open

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the mind because they will see what
health is going because it's not really our

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flat Earth. Everything is related and
all the problems we are going through as

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the humanity is all interrelated, and
flat as is the mother of all of

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them. Right, So once you
accept that, you accept everything what they're

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showing you is bad and it can
help a person in their life to open

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up to see things in a different
way, take decisions better on a daily

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basis, you know, with your
friend, family, companion, your community,

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you know, your country. You
know. So it helps, right,

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we all know how how many things
we all in the past two years.

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It helped us to keep us on
track because of our truth with the

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creator and the right way we were
looking and the instinct we had right as

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flat earthers. Right, yeah,
that's really way go ahead. If not,

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we would have been also been a
victim of all these past few years

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what they did with the majority,
right, Yeah, And I'll tell you

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all, most of the people that
we've interviewed have said that COVID was like

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the thing that woke them up.
Like people who had not just been regular

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going about their day, you know, I guess we call them normies.

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They actually overplayed their hand with COVID, And I would say probably seventy five

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percent of the people that we've had
on this podcast were awakened by COVID and

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then that started them down the rabbit
hole. And then they were lucky enough,

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whether it would be a video or
a podcast that they heard about flat

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earth, and you know, they
figured, well, if they could lie

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about this, then they could be
lying about other things. And it has

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led a lot of people to flat
earth, which I guess leads me to

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my next question is what led you
to flat earth? Oh? Yeah,

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I was. As I mentioned earlier, I was into all different conspiracy and

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then it was hard for me to
come on to flat earth. I was

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just before flat out. I was
into aliens, right, I was researching

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aliens right like many of us,
sure, right. So I had almost

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had content, almost ready to like
release it, and then something happened to

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me that I just didn't release it
for a few months. I had everything

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prepared, and then I stumble on
flat Earth and I was like, I

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didn't need any convenience, convenient like
someone to convince me why I needed proved

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to prove myself. For me,
it was just it's flat and the government

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is saying it's not flat. For
me, it's flat, and I was

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I'm just so straight. I didn't
need anything. All what I saw after

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was just to you know, relate, all right, this means that this

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is this right. Only for that
reason, I wasn't like trying to judge

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it. No, this may be
wrong. It was making sense right from

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the beginning, right, So that
was for me never a doubt. And

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the time it took to me,
even though I've been involved with Internet and

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computers so long, and I stumbled
around twenty sixteen, two thousand, end

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of like almost twenty seventeen, like
early, right, Well for me was

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late, right. So that's why
I was like five years that for me,

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like I started producing my own videos, you know, doing my own

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research for myself than anybody else,
right, I want to understand first before

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I could explain or you know,
so even some of my videos is even

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the clips maybe of five or eight
minutes, but there's loss so much of

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information compressed in those videos that if
you take a subject, you're going to

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know in and out what is happening, right, because it's a lot of

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investigation from every aspect to get it
out there. Right, that's great.

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How did it change you? Though? Like for me, and I've said

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this a thousand times, I was
jacked up for two weeks because I mean

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I was forty nine ish when I
hit flat Earth, and that's half a

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century of programming having to purge out
and build back in. And this was

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about three years after I found out
about nine to eleven. And you probably

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don't know this about me, but
I was a career soldier in the United

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States Army and I had spent multiple
deployments in Iraq. And then when you

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get out, you start research and
you find out that that much of your

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life is based on a lie.
That was a punch of a stomach.

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Three years later you find out that
you're not on a ball that's spinning.

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Now. At the end of the
day, it was one of the It

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was a release, and it set
my path. I was focused and I

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realized that everything is a lie,
and I understood the rules that we were

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playing in here on Earth and the
people who control that aren't really looking out

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for our best interest. Although you
know, prior to that, I had

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a pretty good clue. But how
did it affect you personally? Was it

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just like, Okay, here we
go. Where did it take a little

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bit of thinking and reflecting when you
came on the flatter. No, I

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was like, I was like,
I was all right, because I'm open

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to everything the creator is going to
show or give us. For us,

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right, even the most secret.
Yeah, they've tried to keep it for

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all this time with this generation.
Right. So I was I wasn't like,

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oh my all my life is gone
this system. I was never.

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I was never into the system,
right I am. It's not like that.

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I'm totally off. I live off
grade, right, I live off

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grade more than a decade. I
live off grade. I do everything DIY

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right. So I for me it
doesn't matter, like if the system is

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there, it's not there. It's
right, it's wrong, it doesn't affect

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me. Right. So I wasn't. I was all right other key right.

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And in a way it got me
in track to purpose of my life.

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Right because with all the knowledge and
research of all the life I could

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put into my studies, right,
everything came into more sense, like maybe

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I had to do this too in
a way, right, apart from many

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things we do in life, many
purposes we have in life. So this

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came as also as a purpose.
And in five years it grew. Right.

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I ran one of the biggest flattered
group on Facebook called World flat At

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Association, which is almost sixty thousand
members, right, So, and that's

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one of five groups that I have. So I also wanted to create a

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place for people like minded people to
come together and create and do things together.

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So that was the like, the
most important thing I wanted to do

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right. And then I also met
people like you also were in the Flat

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of the curve, professionals telling their
stories, telling that how the Earth is

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flat and how their work shows it
right. And that's what I did.

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I got everybody together, all these
professionals, and made that documentary Flat in

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the Curve. That's amazing. And
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you've been in electronics. And by
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the podcast, you got a beautiful
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the flat and the curve. How
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between all the interviews and the production
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almost a year for my documentary.
I don't just put out things good right.

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I need to make sure the point
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two documentary, the people know what
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the clips of mine, delivers what
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a year behind each documentary because it's
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preproduction, production, post production,
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whole process, you know. So
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it's like you are stressed out for
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after it's out a bit, right, but it's a huge way that is

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off. Right. So, as
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for you. You said, you're
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or air or so. I had
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my career I was an engineer,
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logistics, which is really I started
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many years ago by a guy named
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called War is a Racket. And
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I began to understand that indeed,
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that gets shuffled over there is beyond
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any kind of war, even even
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beefs, so I forget about huge
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I have amazing friends even here.
I have friends who are into army,

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and you know, we get together. You know, this is the

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thing. They can see. They
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they don't see they don't speak right. One thing I will say is the

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last unit I was in before I
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the Patriot missiles that go up,
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radars and everything that was real and
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thousand and one in Hawaii, the
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Hawaii. And I tell this story
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the things. You see the signs, but you just push it aside.

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You know. The Technical Manual,
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the earth as flat and non rotational. But you know, think t wise

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about it until that, you know, like in for me twenty nineteen or

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whatever, it all connected and came
together. But those things you see,

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whether you can see too far or
I don't feel like I'm spinning, or

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I'm sitting here fishing at the lake
and nothing's moving. I don't feel the

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wind of sixty six thousand miles an
hour those kind of things. Then it

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all makes sense when you really figure
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oh yeah, absolutely. And guys, just like radar, radio transmission,

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the laser, the missiles, the
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possible on a moving earth. It's

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not possible, that's right. And
by the way, I'm friends, we

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chat back and forth. We haven't
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I'm a licensed amateur radio operator.
I've got radios all over over this room.

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right, It's just silly. The
radio is one of the oldest technology,

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right, bouncing off signals from the
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fedix, scattering right to towers to
repetitur. It's just now they are

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transferring daytimes in place of radio signals, right, But the technology is the

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same, different ways of doing the
same thing. So you went into especially

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radar when you were Now, I
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I oversaw the contracts, all the
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so from point A to point B. Okay, and as an engineer.

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As an engineer, we were actually
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lot of vertical stuff building, uh, and then tearing down with explosives.

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av onyx or Oh no no,
not that cool. No. We had

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a lot of heavy equipment earth movers
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the explosives as well. That's why
I'm half deaf. Now. So,

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so did you did you see Flat
in the curve? Other one on Netflix?

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I'm sorry, I'm thinking of the
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so you should check it out.
You have you have army pilot, you

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have pilots, helicopter pilot, commercial
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submarine. Then you have the radar
operating right, maybe sixty seven guys speaking

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about how the gadget works in different
environments. It's amazing stuff. This is

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there, is there. You don't
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just are too like they want technical
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documentary I go in technical stuff,
right if it's because there's a lot of

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gadgets being discussed in those documentaries Choreolis
and about the ships. There are so

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many different like the gyros, the
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egg dish, the electronic charts display
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There's nothing can deny that how this
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mechanism. It's about this antikeuter mechanism. It's apposed to be a flattered model

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which is supposed to be more than
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a working I would you say,
a cosmograph a planetarium. So imagine looking

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in a box and you tells you
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everything exactly, and it's predicting eclipses, phases, everything. We could imagine

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the cycles of nineteen year cycles,
the sorrows, the exalamos. Right,

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it tells you the equinoxes, the
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so even the timeline is very doesn't
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like imagine at the time of Bible
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technology, right, So it's so
messed up the timeline it is. And

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the other podcast, but I'm not
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should. You should pay attention to
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did were there? Nineteen? Right? So they tip their cat to these

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type of things, and nineteen is
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eleven just kind of inverted. So
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I'll have Flatten the Curve and the
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notes, so you can click on
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Number two. The Mechanical well,
actually first on Flatten the Curve. All

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these military people that were in the
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did you go out and scout them? How did you make all those interviews

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happen? As I mentioned about my
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community. The real community is also
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people speaking about there and there are
many more that I had maybe seven or

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eight people, but there are many
people professionals like survey people. There are

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many other professionals who are speaking their
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not everybody is ready to come out. So I saw these people speaking about

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with their profiles, speaking about the
experience and they were their pilots or they

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are this and they've been doing so
many years. So I start reading and

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I said, okay, I made
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so many people are speaking about that, but nobody is even giving the exposure

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to them, right, because we
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right, So I thought, this
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I approached them and started like getting
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they were I really respect these people
because to come ahead with this testimony,

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because it's all like all of whistle
blowers. If you see them, you

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see, you're gonna they're going to
really enjoy that because you also have that

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background. You're going to love it. You will know what these people are

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saying for sure. Yeah you know, yeah, because you will. And

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what is the best part is that
from whom you want to listen, then

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a professional who are who have dedicated
their life to that world and they understand

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it and out how these things are
working, and they're going to and they're

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trying to explain you right. So
for me, these people are heroes,

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yes, because and many you won't
believe. After the documentary there were so

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many professional writing and man, this
opened my eyes and this is this,

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and so many other people came ahead
telling the story because they felt that,

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okay, there are people who are
coming ahead. They know it's like kind

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of risk, right being being of
that high, high level, you know,

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of clearance everybody had or you know, so coming ahead. You know,

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so many more came out and they
say, oh, okay, you

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know, if there's another thing.
Now, they're more vocal about it.

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They're writing, they're sharing, they're
telling people. You know, there are

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more. There are SR seventy pilots
that are jet fighter pilots. There are

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so many other guys and women's there
in the community. And I'm happy that

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Plat and the Curve made this happen
that they all are coming ahead. You

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know, more people are coming high. That's awesome, That is so awesome.

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You know, it's interesting. As
parents, we pardon me, we

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push our children to tell the truth
but as we evolve into adults, it

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seems sometimes we will turn away from
the truth, even if it's right in

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front of our face. Why do
you think that is? Because the human

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have a like psyche of a human
is to is to stay like you know,

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being indoctrinated. It's a way of
self defense, like you know,

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the psyche. The psyche wants to
have the like you know we are.

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It's going to end, you know, nothing is right, you know,

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just to because it takes a lot
of effort to go against the wave,

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right, against this negative what they
want to build and destroy everything in a

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way, the human, the family, you know, the spiritual, the

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spirituality we have you know, for
every within ourselves, our family, friends.

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Right, they want to create in
every level the division. So many

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are stuck into that because I don't
know, maybe it's just a personal evolution

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of those souls that they need to
go through this. Right, Maybe there

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is saluation, maybe no, right, who knows. Let's talk a little

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bit about your So the mechanical realm
you just released that within the last ninety

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days, correct, exactly. Wow, tell us a little bit about that.

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Wow, the antiquitar mechanism. Wow, it's amazing. This is the

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thing. They had this from past
fifteen twenty years. You had this antique

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tram mechanism all over the internet.
Everybody was speaking about it, but nobody

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knew what it is. Nobody would
say what it is, you know.

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So again and one and a half
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already realized with my research because I
connect a lot of dot there are documentary

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I don't know if I'm going to
even make because if the time will come,

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you have so many things already,
right for a few documentaries, right,

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so things have come up. Maybe
it comes no. So I connected

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a dot and after that documentary of
flooden the curve, I took rests because

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I needed to, you know,
I need a break because not to explode.

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After that break was over, then
I started this project. I got

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my people together and started working on
it. More research and yeah, after

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a year, that's out. Also
a rabbit hole that we couldn't imagine,

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right, as I said, a
technology that was hidden from us. These

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people are literally doing all the predictions
from these machines. All the predictions about

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all the luminaries and everything that happens
in the sky is done from this machine.

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JP Morgan or the Rock of fer
I don't know what these people.

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They used to use astrology, right, they used to say. He used

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to say millionaires don't use astrology.
Billionaires do Why Because he had a mechanism

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for himself that could predict everything,
everything eclipses, where it's going to be,

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the sun, moon, the stars, the luminaries, which constellation with

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zodiac everything. We could imagine a
time machine and he would take his decisions

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depending on what that clock or watch
is telling that that clock, that watch

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or the antickets mechanism is a cosmograph. It's a scientific instrument which is supposed

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to be a portable planetarium. So
they used to use to project this display

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in old planetariums, keeping it in
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see the old planetarium, they're huge
with lenses all around them. So they

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used to project from this. So
now what they have in the planetarium is

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a digital version of what this cosmograph
is. And this cosmograph is based on

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a geocentric stationary model. The antickets
mechanism is just a Greek version. Okay,

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that doesn't mean that the Greek made
it. It's just a Greek version.

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That technology was shed by all our
cultures, every culture before, and

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this technology is not two thousand years
old. We could add another zero to

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that. It's that ancient because it's
not only nineteen year cycles. It has

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sorrow cycles, which there are some
cycles goes for seventy years, right imagine,

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and they all are done by gear
ratio gay trains so perfect that there

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is no mistake. Even the most
expensive high end clock today don't have that

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precision which this cosmograph has. So
if you look at it, it looks

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like a dial, It looks like
a clock, It looks like a compass,

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It looks like a flat map,
right, yeah, it looks like

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a wheel of the zodiac. It
looks like the birth chat. It looks

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like it looks like our model our
Earth with the north pole in the center

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and all luminary is moving around it. It looks like an astronomical clock.

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The astronomical clock is a I would
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So imagine having an astronomical clock in
your hand. Even if it's it's

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telling you the color of the eclipses, if it's telling you, if it's

409
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.480
pennumeral, it's telling you, if
it's partial it's telling you if it's lunar,

410
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.079
if it's solar, what time,
which hour, which minute, in

411
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.799
which place? Everything? Right,
So what it means by nineteen year cycle.

412
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:45.839
The nineteen year cycle means like if
you have an eclipse today, was

413
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:52.839
a lunar eclipse that is partial,
So nineteen years after, exactly the same

414
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.720
day, it's going to be the
same eclipse. And the same goes for

415
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:04.720
the phases, right, that's so
precise. Everything goes in cycles, repeating

416
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.480
cycles, smaller cycles into bigger cycles, into bigger cycles. Even the Mayans

417
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.639
their calendars look like gear wheels,
you know, small gear, big gear

418
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.119
moved the bigger gear, right,
that's how they used to do the timekeeping.

419
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.119
The ancient used to do timekeeping in
this way. With all the ancient

420
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:30.199
archaeology, if you see, including
the pyramids, they all are aligned to

421
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:35.920
the north, to the true north
right. This is self proof that the

422
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.000
earth is flat because they all are
aligned to the north. There is no

423
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.800
alignment to the south right, because
there is no south. Everything is south

424
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:50.079
and flatter apart from the north,
everything is south right. So all these

425
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:57.320
lay lines, all these ancient archaeological
stuff, this has been made thousands of

426
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:04.519
years ago. Right, and these
are all aligned means to a geocentric astronomy.

427
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.840
They're not based on a heliocentric astronomy. Heliocentric didn't existed when pyramids were

428
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:16.079
made, right, or any other
any other ancient temples or places which line

429
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:22.000
up with equinoxes and saltis right,
and you could see the North Paul and

430
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:29.320
many other different constellations, even after
thousands of years. They repeat, how

431
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:34.360
is that possible on a heliocentric madel
It's not possible. So all these places

432
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:39.039
work as marker to the sky above. Both is important to prove each other

433
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:45.719
what is moving and what is not
moving. So this device for us is

434
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:51.320
the holy grail. Right, we
are no one to build a flat model.

435
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.239
The ancients had already done for us. They knew it. They knew

436
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:02.280
it very well. How everything moves. Right. That's why the importance of

437
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:08.599
astronomy and all these luminaries can be
seen in all cultures, in every culture,

438
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.440
the importance right, even if the
people who want to deny or not,

439
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.480
we need these cycles for us to
believe. If the sun don't come

440
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:21.000
out three days, you know what
is going to happen. Right, The

441
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.559
sunny is the giver is the giver
of life. The moon has its own

442
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:29.000
function. Right. You have days, you can prove you have days when

443
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:34.800
you germinate the seeds that are day
when you harvest. You know the days

444
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:42.159
depending on So everything is so related
to the to the astronomy, you know.

445
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.079
I know there are different beliefs about
astronomy and astrology, but these cycles

446
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.760
are very important. Right. There's
also part in the documentary where I speak

447
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:57.960
about the daylight saving that one hour
change makes forty person chances of an heart

448
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:04.320
attack three years. So two times
they're playing with our bioclock. So imagine

449
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.760
that's just one cycle of the sun
that they change around two times just to

450
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.159
confuse the people. Because it's a
perfect clock. It's a precise clock.

451
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.639
So that's how they manipulate, so
we don't get used to that real rhythm.

452
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:24.239
Right, So imagine how many other
cycles there are with these luminaries and

453
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:29.719
the energies and the frequencies they I
know there are many people who won't believe

454
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.559
in energy and frequency and vibration of
these luminaries because if we see the Creator

455
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:40.760
speaks about angels, what are angels
angles angles to the luminaries? Right,

456
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.840
we are born on a particular day
in a particular horoscope, in a particular

457
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:51.960
zodiac is for a reason, and
everything the other luminaries and how their vibration

458
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.719
is affecting us, because we were
born on that particular day. Right,

459
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:02.360
So all these different luminaries affecting you
as your horoscope, the scope of horrors.

460
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.880
You are a sun yourself, and
when you were born as a sun

461
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:13.840
in the dial of destiny, if
you want to call it those zodiac wheel

462
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.679
of bird charts, it shows you
those other luminaries and how these angles affect

463
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.039
you. It can tell you your
whole life. Right, how would be

464
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.239
your first years, the mid years
and the after years? Why? Because

465
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:31.199
all these luminaries and the angles are
important. So why are these angles important?

466
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.960
Also prove that the Earth is not
a ball? Why? Because the

467
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.440
angles have to be straight from the
light to source to us. Right,

468
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.639
the different luminaries, the Saturn,
the Jupiter, the Mars, everything that

469
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:49.440
represents as light color heavens right,
seven heavens seven colors, seven notes seven.

470
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.239
You know there are many spectrum of
light and many different things. Right,

471
00:38:53.719 --> 00:39:00.000
it's all the numbers. Everything is
all speaks about frequency. Right,

472
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.920
So I don't know if you are
into this topic, but go ahead.

473
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.920
I just went down. That's great. No, that's great. I've learned

474
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.239
more in the last ten minutes than
I have about astrology for a long time.

475
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.159
That's very intriguing. So I guess
I have two documentaries I got to

476
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.760
watch tonight, that's for sure.
As far as that, you know,

477
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.159
portable planetarium for lack of a better
words, that you said they keep.

478
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.719
Is there a certain individual or family
that you believe has that. Did you

479
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:34.599
say the Morgans. No. Now, the thing is people have already reversed

480
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.320
engineered it. You have people who
have made it in wood. That are

481
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.880
people who made it in brass.
There are people who are that are companies.

482
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.519
They make for you, but it
will cost you a few thousand dollars.

483
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.480
You have even printables where you can
laser cut or print them, you

484
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.840
know, but they are not going
to be such high tech you know.

485
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.760
But these machines are usable. You
can literally use them. So there are

486
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:01.239
guys, for example on YouTube call
thick Spring. He spent one year with

487
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:07.719
high technology to make that gadget.
It took in one year. Imagine that.

488
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:09.400
So how the hell did they do
that? Two thousand years ago.

489
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.880
You know, there's a even there's
not even a millimeter gap. You know,

490
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:21.000
not even a piece of paper can
enter between those gears. How precise

491
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.880
is that. You know, you
try to take out one thing out of

492
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.039
that, one wheel or even one
teeth, and that thing is not going

493
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:34.400
to work. It's so precise.
This is amazing stuff. You know.

494
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.480
Even the even the flatt community is
blown out. They can't believe it that

495
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:44.559
this was here all the time and
they succeeded in the controller, succeeded that.

496
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:49.440
We don't see it because even Joe
Rogan and uh Graham Hong Kong,

497
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.079
they speak about that, but they
don't know. We don't know what it

498
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.199
is. Anybody, any academics or
any professional who speak about it. Yeah,

499
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.320
this is this, this is that, but we don't know exactly what

500
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.599
it is. But they know exactly
what it is. There's no one has

501
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.119
to know or the majority to know
what it is. Right, you know,

502
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:13.039
a computer this or a machine.
Right, we know now what it

503
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.920
is. So I found their channel
and I'll link I'll link this in the

504
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:23.920
show notes too. It says reconstructing
the anti until Thera mechanism. Uh.

505
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:30.280
It says the video series documenting the
reconstruction of the antilk thera mechanism of its

506
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.599
most authentic form today and I guess
it was seven years ago they did this,

507
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:37.800
but they listed a whole bunch of
people who worked as part of the

508
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.719
program. That's very interesting. Well, there are lots, there's so much

509
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:50.280
of people researching and reverse engineering this. It's unimagined and many people are are

510
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.360
like academic scientists, you know that
are virtual models you can find on the

511
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:59.840
on the YouTube made by PhDs by
Universe Cities. Right, this is no

512
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.880
CGI like Global Cartoon, you know
they try to show us anything. No,

513
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:10.159
this is real science, real arithmetics, real geometry, simplicity and the

514
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:15.480
beauty of simplicity. That's what it
represents. Because God is simple and truth,

515
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.639
right, and they want to complicate
it with the helio heliocentric model.

516
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.000
Everything is rotating around in a chaos. This is not what it is.

517
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:28.599
The creation is perfect. The creation
is as as the poem, as a

518
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:34.320
sacred as a flower, right,
the precision right, it's so beautiful the

519
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.159
creator that made this. Right when
you see it from about how these luminaries

520
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:47.840
move, they're like sacred geometry.
Very absolutely, where are you at as

521
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.760
far as are you religious, where
do you stand on that? I believe

522
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.599
in a creator. Yeah, I
believe in a creator. I studied all

523
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.199
the religion to make sure what everybody's
saying. Right. So even all the

524
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:08.079
cosmologies are saying the same thing.
You know, if if the root information

525
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.760
is the same, that the earth
is geocentric, and this is from thousands

526
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:17.679
of years, all the all the
cosmologies have been saying this right through their

527
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:22.440
books, through their text, to
the poem, to their religious book,

528
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.039
right, all of them. That's
how the world started. Every creation,

529
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:31.800
every cosmology have a creation story,
and every creation stories are very similar,

530
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:38.280
said in a different way giants.
Right, how how how the earth from,

531
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.760
how the gods came, how they
made it, how it looks,

532
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.039
what it is, what it could
be. Right, So most of them

533
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:52.800
say no, one says it's a
globe except NASA and all these fake you

534
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:58.679
know scientists who they want to they're
pushing, right, the puppet they had

535
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.440
from the Newton to now to mew
the grass. They are the ones who

536
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:10.519
are pushing. By the way,
the nineteen again, if you go back

537
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:16.079
through history, the nineteen year cycle, there's always a big event attached to

538
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.320
that, so nineteen forty four d
day, one of the biggest loss of

539
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.679
life in one day, which was
June sixth, which is six' six

540
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.920
at six thirty, there's a three
six. Nineteen years later was nineteen sixty

541
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.360
three. What happened in nineteen sixty
three? John F. Kennedy got killed?

542
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.320
There's your eleven twenty two, which
is thirty three. They always incorporate

543
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:43.480
numerology with this stuff. And then
nineteen years later, President Reagan declared the

544
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.480
War on Drugs in nineteen eighty two, and some people forget about how big

545
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:52.400
of a deal that was because that
basically began what we call here the prison

546
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:59.639
industrial complex, where they started giving
people hard time for drugs and destroyed a

547
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:05.920
lot of cities. And that was
a war on a lot of cities in

548
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.199
America. And then of course,
nineteen years after that was two thousand and

549
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.800
one nine to eleven, and nineteen
years after that was COVID. So every

550
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:19.280
nineteen years there's always a big event
attached to the cycle because they know something

551
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:23.800
that the majority don't know that they
have to make that complete that cycle and

552
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.559
start a new cycle so it continues. They know very well what they're doing

553
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:37.159
with numerology, with astronomy, with
astrology, they control, right. The

554
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:44.360
people say Jesus Christ, right,
The controllers they say Christ Jesus. Why

555
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:51.079
because they know the real teaching.
They want the majority to look for salvation

556
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:57.639
outside, right, and they know
what the Christ teaching was about. The

557
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:05.079
Christ teaching was about finding the Christ. That's why they call Christ Jesus.

558
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.360
I would expand on that, but
you're getting my point. Yeah, absolutely

559
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:15.800
so. Yeah, so they are
trying to create division and that the people

560
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.239
don't find the salvation for looking outside, but they know where to look,

561
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.719
you know. Yeah, there are
versus the Bible, like two Timothy three

562
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.639
to twelve that does say Christ Jesus, like says in fact, everyone who

563
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.920
wants to live a godly life in
Christ Jesus will be persecuted. But you're

564
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.639
right, they do like to invert
it. Most people say Jesus Christ,

565
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.320
even though there are some verses that
say Christ Jesus. But the controllers they're

566
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:50.400
all about inversion exactly. But this
is the thing they are succeeding in creating

567
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:55.280
the division, yeah, in all
religion right. Also, Christianity in itself

568
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.920
has so much subdivision, right,
And then you have the rest of the

569
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:05.199
religion. So as long as we
all are fighting, who is our right

570
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.719
God? You know, they're happy. They know what they are following,

571
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.760
they know what they are doing,
they know what they are using against us,

572
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:20.239
you know, and especially these numerology, astrology, astronomy, they know

573
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.199
very well how it works because it's
all about frequency and vibration. There are

574
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:28.119
times that the planet is very low
with vibration, and that's why they're attack

575
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:34.679
yep, you know, psychologically through
the news or some fear or some always

576
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:37.920
trying to keep our vibration blow,
keep us in fear. Why because the

577
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.960
fear and the love comes from the
heart, right, and they want to

578
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.280
attack. Make your love into fear. That's why we even we're fearing our

579
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.000
our neighbors. You know, when
they made that crap two years ago,

580
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.119
nobody even wanted to see her own
family. You know, what the hell

581
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.559
was that? Because this is this
is psychologic out yeah, fear. Yeah,

582
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:07.920
it's crazy, it's crazy. So
we have to keep it. I

583
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.360
think we have to respect everybody because
this is what it's all about. Because

584
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.000
this they don't want that we all
unite, right, even in the flat

585
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:20.000
community, there's so much of division, right Okay, we all have flat

586
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:27.400
out us. But there's so much
of gatekeeping of information and division because differences

587
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.400
right or different opinion. We all
are going to have different opinion for many

588
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.480
different things. You know, that's
how we learn, right. So it's

589
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:44.039
difficult, but it's possible, right
two, Yeah, unite against this.

590
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:49.639
There's nothing else we could do.
Yeah. Division is very important to them

591
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.760
because that keeps us fighting and keeps
the magnification off of them. And here

592
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:59.800
in the United States it's they manipulated
so easy with Republican and Democrat people fight

593
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.079
twenty three hours a day o.
You know, Trump, Biden, left

594
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:09.800
right, and it is such a
manipulative tool. And it surprises me that

595
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:14.760
that many people who believe that the
election was stolen in twenty twenty that if

596
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.800
they just vote harder again this one, things will come their way. You

597
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.639
know, at some point people need
to understand that not just elections are rigged.

598
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.199
Everything's rigged. I've gone back through
history, and I'll be honest with

599
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:32.960
you. I think very little of
anything, whether it be pop culture or

600
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.559
music or movies or what you hear
on the radio, I think very little

601
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.039
of it is organic. I think
all of us it is planned and released,

602
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.400
and you've got to join the club
if you're going to make it to

603
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.960
the top. What are your thoughts
on that? Oh yeah, oh yeah.

604
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.239
Otherwise you're not going to be seen
and they're going to take you out

605
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.840
right, if you're reaching very far, they're going to try to buy you.

606
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.599
Or if no, you don't take
out from the meal. Yeah,

607
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:04.519
they do control with the subnimal language. You know, they're trying to balance

608
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:08.000
out the karma. You know,
they make sure, according to them,

609
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.599
if they tell us what they're doing, they're doing nothing bad because everything is

610
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.559
fair and square in the playing field, you know, the negative or the

611
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:21.000
positive. Everybody has the same right
to manifest, right, so this is

612
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:27.960
what they believe or working the celebrity
and many of these people. Right,

613
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.079
So as long as they're telling us
what they're doing and the people don't care,

614
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.679
people don't care if they're telling us
right in the faith, they are

615
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.559
you know, taking us out the
majority and the people are. It's like

616
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:45.000
everything, as you say, upside
down and reverse how it should be,

617
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.039
and it's not. You know,
it's quite the positive of everything in every

618
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:57.639
sense. Right, So it's well
said. So many questions to ask you

619
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.280
here, But let's go. Let's
talk about last week or about ten days

620
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.639
ago you were involved with the debate. I think most people in the flat

621
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.159
earth community are familiar with Jerinism.
You know, him and Dave have been

622
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:15.320
together for quite some time. You
were debating against a guy named Mick Toon,

623
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.920
who I think I've heard his name, but I'm not super familiar with

624
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:23.440
him. Tell us how that went. Oh, that was an adventure,

625
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:29.920
right, So that was my first
hour debate flatter debate. Even though I

626
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:36.599
have debated like on text with with
trolls, globe trolls on my different groups,

627
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.679
you know, but never had a
face to face debate on a video

628
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:45.000
with a person. So I was
quite glad how it came out. You

629
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:52.679
know, I expected much more good
contra argument against from that position, but

630
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.960
that wasn't the case. It was
just denying. You know, where's your

631
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.920
claim? Where's your claim? But
everything was right there as we were speaking,

632
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:08.320
and he wasn't providing any other thing
than fake maths and numbers. You

633
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.159
know, if you're in a debate, you have to come with apart from

634
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.480
all your you know, definitions,
you have to come up with arguments.

635
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:20.400
You know, you should be able
to argument. So yeah, it was

636
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.639
great. I had a great time, a lot to learn for many flat

637
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:34.280
outos too, because I always you
know, fine tune my stuff and connect

638
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.840
the dots so that the people because
there are many people who say, you

639
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.880
know, if there's gravity is what
is it? Someone say density and boyancy,

640
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.119
that's it, but they wouldn't explain
what is happening in those density and

641
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.719
buoyancy right, what is accelerating?
What is equilii and what are pressure?

642
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.639
So I go detail in that.
There are many people who didn't hear about

643
00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:00.440
the phases, how it works or
the eclipses, how it happens in flatat

644
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:06.880
model. You know how the moon
illuminates out to illuminate itself. Many flatatas

645
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.960
says, oh the moon is outo
illuminisent, but how is it happening?

646
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.800
Are you able to explain? Right? Okay, it's it's the rahu Orkid

647
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:22.440
or is the Norse which is making
the eclipses? Right? Different versions,

648
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.079
But there are many other reasons also
why the eclipses and the phases happens.

649
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.559
Right, So like this we covered
quite a few things, and we also

650
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:36.480
covered the antickets for mechanism, so
I was I was happy how it turned

651
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:43.119
out, like also to learn for
learn how you handle pressure? Right,

652
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.519
so it wor was great. Yeah, that's something because I think journism is

653
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:50.559
stuffs normally live. So you're walking
a tightrope in front of a lot of

654
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.159
people. Something we do on the
program we ask for people's silver bullets.

655
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:59.719
Or if you only had a few
minutes with someone that you sat down in

656
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.800
a car coffee shop and they said, all right, Vica, I'm giving

657
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:07.199
you three minutes convinced me the earth
is flat? What was What is your

658
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:14.000
go to proofs of flat earth?
If you will, the most the most

659
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:20.480
important, and the most simple.
The water doesn't curve. No degree or

660
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:24.719
diploma can make water curve and the
land curve. It's not happening. Right.

661
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:30.159
So there are many things I've been
to, so many different things I

662
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:34.519
could count with the even the landscape
how it works, right, the deserts,

663
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:43.960
the grasslands, the tablelands, the
plains, the lowlands, the ice

664
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:52.159
sheets, the tundras, the mud
flats, salt flats, depressions, levels,

665
00:54:53.119 --> 00:55:00.119
all this world means flat at disguise
in these words. So the the

666
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.880
earth is an extended plane of this
different geography. Right, So this is

667
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:09.000
one of my amazing that I feel
that this is so the people is there,

668
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:12.400
but I don't know if people don't
see it, but that is one

669
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.000
of the most biggest proof. The
nature. You see it around right,

670
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:21.320
how our eyes perceive, so nobody
can deny that, the water and the

671
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.360
landscape, the geography in itself.
And then the other things I like about

672
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:29.360
is the technical stuff, the instruments, how they work. You know,

673
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.079
the compass and the sextons, how
they work, and the radars and the

674
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:39.360
gyros, all this technical stuff,
the anti etere mechanism, my new gadget

675
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:50.159
toy. Right, So there are
many more things that is simple and beautiful

676
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:57.599
and prove the geocentricity of this earth
and the stationery that it is, and

677
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.199
the archaeology, the sites which woke
about, right, so many different sites,

678
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:06.639
and there are lay lines and how
they align and everything. So there's

679
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:14.239
so much overwhelming and if you're going
to the satellites and the fake space and

680
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:22.559
it's all over right, it's amazing
that if we didn't ever enter a public

681
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:29.519
school or watch television, like we
believe the Earth is flat when you're growing

682
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.599
up, for thousands of years,
people thought the Earth was flat. And

683
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.400
you know at some point, you
know, some people said it started with

684
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.679
Pythagoras, who was a freemason.
It's noted. You can look it up

685
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.400
if he even existed. But I
guess, you know, most people think

686
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:51.079
right around the time when the Reformation
happened in the early sixteen hundreds, that

687
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:55.199
you know, Martin Luther and Copernicus
did cross paths. And it stated that

688
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:01.360
around fifteen thirty two that Martin Luther
really that bad mouth Copernicus saying he was

689
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.360
basically being anti Bible. But do
you believe or do you have an idea

690
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:12.800
at what point in our timeline which
probably isn't very accurate, But if you

691
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.599
had to guess, would you say
fifteen hundred, seventeen hundreds, the last

692
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:22.280
two hundred years when they really really
started to push illiocentrism, like end of

693
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:28.559
fourteen hundreds, like beginning of fifteen
hundred. They started pushing in the globe.

694
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:34.840
They paced it in. They changed
all the geocentric study and knowledge and

695
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:40.800
information into the heliocentric, right,
they started making their globe model, they

696
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.079
started making their globe maps, because
if you see the ancient maps, they

697
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:50.280
show that it's geocentric, and even
the most ancient maps that we have,

698
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:57.599
which could be the Monte Urbano map, and there's another called Hyrie Rise map.

699
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:01.599
So these are very old maps.
And even these maps come from older

700
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:07.960
sources. Right. So the globe
was just bording because they wanted to bring

701
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:13.400
it in for whatever reason. But
they bought it in, phased it in,

702
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:19.719
and it took them a few hundred
years, but they succeeded. Right

703
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.360
now, they've reached to a point
that is very difficult for the match to

704
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:30.280
go back to this because all their
sci fi and space travel and the movies

705
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.679
and all the souvenirs and merch and
everything depends on space, right, And

706
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.920
many don't want to leave it because
it's their sorry fantasy, right, like

707
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:46.639
people love to being like fairy tale
signs. You know, I'm gonna reach

708
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.960
to March. We're gonna reach there. We are so high TechEd, we

709
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.559
are so futuristic. Right. The
engines were much more evolved than us today.

710
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:58.639
We think we are the pinnacle of
technology. We are nothing. We

711
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.320
are nothing. We're not even today
we can even replicate what these people used

712
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:06.320
to do and what they know,
and we want to call them primitive,

713
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:10.320
right. You know these people were
beyond even like that. You see the

714
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.840
constructions, you know they have even
today, this is nothing. These are

715
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:21.960
just breadcrumbs what they left, you
know. And if it could be technology,

716
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.119
archaeology, alchemy, medicine, psychology, science, metalllogy, anything we

717
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:31.920
speak about, there is no comparison. Even though we have the most high

718
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.800
tech machines today, they had,
they're hiding a lot of stuff from us,

719
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.880
a lot. We can imagine what
could be there in the in the

720
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:45.679
Vatican Library and all the all the
other gadgets and so many other stuff.

721
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:50.239
They speak about, the time machines, they speak about chronoviser that you can

722
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.119
even put in dates and you can
literally see what is happened or what is

723
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:59.400
going to happen on certain dates.
Right, So, if we are saying

724
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.920
there's a hidden period of hidden technology
of one thousand, four hundred or one

725
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:09.239
thousand five hundred years of missing technology
and history, could we even imagine what

726
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:15.760
exists or what these people have.
Yeah, I always jokingly say the technology

727
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.400
that we get today, like say
this is the latest thing here, I'm

728
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.880
holding up this iPhone. It's probably
been around for at minimum twenty years.

729
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.960
And then when you have these type
of conversations you think it's probably even longer

730
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:34.119
than that, right, Oh yeah, absolutely much long. Nothing is new

731
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:39.679
under the sun, right, technology
wise, free energy, like unconventional propertial

732
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:47.679
systems, genetic engineering, anything we
speak about. They speaking about forteen hundred

733
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:53.760
books were burned on technology. Fourteen
hundred books. Could we imagine what would

734
01:00:53.840 --> 01:01:00.400
exist? Fourteen hundred books burnt?
Look what they did to Tesla? Oh

735
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:07.480
yeah, oh yeah, because tess
whole, the whole understanding of Tesla was

736
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:14.480
about this geocentric earth, his experiments, his all his study only works on

737
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:20.079
a geocentric stationary earth. That's right, all about magnetism, all about radio

738
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:24.760
frequencies. Right. He was too
genius for all this time. There are

739
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:30.480
many people who don't believe that that
existed, or maybe even he took this

740
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:35.800
technology from earlier sources, but he
was there to put it in function.

741
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.079
Right, everything what he was doing, other gadgets that he was making,

742
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:44.559
right, so many patents that he
had, right, even they say Macrony

743
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:51.599
also took his staff and many other
people took his stuff. Yeah, oh

744
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:53.880
yeah, yeah. Of course he
died penniless in a hotel, and he

745
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:58.920
was probably one of the smartest guys
to live in the last two hundred years.

746
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:04.599
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he
was. I used to like his

747
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.599
most of his stuff, right,
and especially the way he wanted to propagate

748
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:15.519
the electricity free electric city to those
towers. Right. He also had stuff

749
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:23.239
that was he could cure things with
electricity and frequencies as well, four thirty

750
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:30.000
two versus four forty with music and
things like that exactly, and weapons and

751
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:36.440
like you used to earthquakes and he
was he was really And the acimotor right,

752
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:42.320
without the actor nothing, we won't
have robotics right now, you know.

753
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.000
And the ac motor is based on
that principle of the geocentric of the

754
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:52.119
the battery system where the whole creation
is then the poles and everything. Right,

755
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.119
it's crazy how the war tech and
with the North Pole in the center.

756
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:04.480
He knew a law because he really
valued the real science. That what

757
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:10.000
he was against the relative Einstein and
reliberty and the new Toms and all the

758
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:14.920
stuff, because that was bogu of
science. He was doing real science.

759
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:16.880
They were doing, like you mentioned
earlier, they were doing math. He

760
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.159
was doing science exactly. Yeah,
they were doing fake maths and he was

761
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:29.159
doing real science. That's right,
that's right. You've made two outstanding projects,

762
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.440
and you're definitely I know you once
you're going through some downtime, But

763
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.159
do you have an idea of what's
on the horizon for you as far as

764
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:43.480
your next project or are you not
at liberty to say at this point if

765
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:50.760
it's not even nineteen days that I
really did my second No, I don't

766
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.119
want to come in anything, right
sure, sure, Right now I'm focusing

767
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:59.679
on, like you know, podcasts
debates. You know, I want to

768
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.320
change a little, you know,
Yeah, for sure, I get so

769
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:06.800
you don't want to burn out exactly, Yeah, for sure. Now you

770
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:12.119
mentioned your off grid. We're semi
off grid here. We have our well,

771
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.559
we have our septic, we have
our chickens, we have our greenhouses

772
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:19.440
and things like that. So it's
it's it's it's really a way of life.

773
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:26.159
How's your setup? Oh yeah,
I did also di y everything.

774
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:31.079
I have a two huge prefabricated house. Then I built around it, you

775
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:35.000
know, like porch and shed.
Then I have a well too. I

776
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:41.639
have my electric system with the solar
panels and everything, the whole system.

777
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:48.840
I have all i'd say pressurized system
for water looking into the house, you

778
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:57.719
know, Yeah, chickens, a
lot of trees, like a forest almost,

779
01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:02.960
you know, a lot of nature, wild nature, birds, animals,

780
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:12.199
turtles. Yeah, so growing vegetables, fruits, that's awesome, but

781
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:15.440
that's what they don't want. They
want to keep us busy in the matrix,

782
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:20.079
and that that's why they basically what
they did to Tesla is because they

783
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.519
couldn't have free energy because they have
to make us pay for everything, because

784
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:29.119
that makes us have to work harder
to pay all of our bills. Do

785
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.239
you see anything coming this year,
because anytime there's an election year in the

786
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:35.159
United States, we know what happened
the last one, but it was a

787
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:41.679
nineteen year reset in my opinion,
do you think there's anything going to happen

788
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:47.800
big this year or any idea If
everybody puts that energy that something going to

789
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.840
happen, they want to make it
happen there. Yeah, so you're saying,

790
01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:54.440
and as you say, we have
to be prepared, yeah, for

791
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.400
sure, being like in off grade
or everything. Because when this happened two

792
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.960
years ago in the nineteen stuff,
right, everybody was in there in the

793
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:06.679
boxes locked up. We were here
in the nature of living like as if

794
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:12.360
nothing happened, right, So this
was like kind of a preparation, you

795
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.719
know, because anything could come in
the future that as you say, you

796
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.000
know, they control us with energy. You don't have water and light.

797
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.719
What are you going to do in
your house? Right? And if you

798
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:26.079
are in a city, but there
are hundreds and thousands of people looking for

799
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:30.960
light, water and food, it's
chaos. Right. So, and this

800
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:35.239
is the thing. If we get
free energy, we are free because we

801
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:40.039
could grow in the desert. We
could make a greenhouse and grow vegetables or

802
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:44.559
whatever. Right, we could go
to Antarctica and grow all the food we

803
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:48.159
want because free energy. Right,
this is how they control the majority.

804
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:54.880
And after the food and the contamination
and the rat rays, right, so

805
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.800
it's all mixed up with everything,
so it's more difficult. So I always

806
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.880
say to people, if you have
idea to be off grid, go man,

807
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:08.079
do it. You know, the
first years are difficult, but after

808
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:13.159
you get your freedom. Right.
So even if you have you have a

809
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:15.159
few things to grow, your chicken, the eggs, your animal, you

810
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:20.880
could survive. Right, You're not
gonna right because if you're in a city,

811
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:25.800
a huge megacity, people will kill
you for a piece of bread.

812
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.440
Oh yeah, when there's nothing,
But there's when there's nothing in the supermarket,

813
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:32.320
right, or if there's no water, or if there's no no gasoline

814
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:38.599
for a few days, right,
So we have to take into account all

815
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.519
this stuff, you know, to
be a bit of prepared at least for

816
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:48.039
a few months if things happen,
absolutely, because that's when people hit the

817
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:53.360
grocery stores and then they say there's
a food shortage, and I tell people,

818
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.199
it's not a food shortage, it's
it's a grocery store food. It's

819
01:07:56.199 --> 01:08:00.159
a grocery store shortage. Uh,
there's food, it's just everybody buys it

820
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.480
out. And we're even expanding this
year into rabbit. We do meat chickens

821
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:09.119
as well. We have egg chickens. Nice just you know, after seeing

822
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:13.559
twenty twenty and how silly things can
get, you realize, you know,

823
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:19.640
everything gets a little worse. So
if everybody's able to sustain a little longer,

824
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.319
that that's going to hold off crime
and things like that. And they

825
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.039
always say that people who don't have
things are going to go after the people

826
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:31.159
who do have things. So our
family's mantra here is to be prepared.

827
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.560
But we're not fearmongers. We live
our lives like I'm sure you do.

828
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:40.520
We don't have TV, we don't
watch the news. I will pop onto

829
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:45.319
websites once every other day just to
see what the CIA is pushing, right,

830
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.720
what the narrative is. But other
than that, we just prepare and

831
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.239
we live our life and we're happy
to be left alone for the most part.

832
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:59.640
Oh yeah, sometimes it's more better
to not have so much of input,

833
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.720
wanted input of this society what they
want to feed as sounds and noises

834
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:09.239
and vibration that there's any you know, the news, I get paramoriz.

835
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:13.319
I listen in ten minutes in the
background the news, I get paramorig I

836
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:17.560
need to get out and breathe.
Right, it's just such a bad frequency

837
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:20.800
in them, you know, and
and all these songs. So yeah,

838
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:26.119
it's good to be simple sometimes,
you know, it helps for the soul,

839
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:30.000
you know, simple food grown by
yourself, even if it's minimum,

840
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.119
it's food for your soul. You
don't need a lot, right, when

841
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:39.600
we understand that how much we need
we take, you don't need a lot

842
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.560
then, right, Yeah, And
that's another thing our society is guilty of.

843
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:50.239
I think the lines between need and
want have been blurred exactly. Too

844
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:56.479
much of greediness of everything people want
to have everything and a lot and a

845
01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.119
lot of wasting, right, you
know, you know how it was in

846
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.720
the seventies, eighties, right,
and nineties, or was even a bit.

847
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:10.680
But after the things, the consumism
has just like it cobbled all of

848
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:17.479
us, right, and the technology
together, and we're always getting away from

849
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:25.399
our human behavior, like a natural
way of humans of living has just gone.

850
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:30.760
So it looks like back in the
black and white days, right when

851
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.720
things used to be. We still
watch those old TV shows, say,

852
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.079
man, I wish I would have
been alive in the fifties, right,

853
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:41.079
No, everything was so simple,
just sitting in the living room reading the

854
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.920
newspaper, where the fires burning,
and no diversions like the internet, the

855
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.439
cell phones and everything else. It's
just And that's one thing I meant to

856
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:54.800
mention earlier to you. I always
laugh when people say that we are so

857
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:59.520
much smarter than the people from our
past, like going back a couple thousand

858
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.359
years in tune with how everything worked, and most of it's been hidden from

859
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:10.920
us. Oh yeah, you think. Imagine going to the inside the pyramid

860
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:15.479
and seeing the floor of each floor
is made of tongue of a slab,

861
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.840
and the way they are put together, it's not even possible today. And

862
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:27.199
the inside construction is so precise,
the match involved and the geometry and the

863
01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:32.399
architect involved, and the technology to
make that is not even possible today.

864
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:39.159
So imagine what else exists below this? Another what is like you know,

865
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.399
with the flood is gone. It's
some of the stuff we don't know about

866
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:50.079
about. So that's just one example
what these people could do. Do you

867
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:54.880
have any thoughts on how they were
built? Obviously I don't believe the official

868
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:58.079
narrative, but do you have any
thoughts? Have you thought about it?

869
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.920
I think these people are aready advanced
in These people were really advanced for us

870
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:09.239
to have sound levitation or magnetic levitation
or you know, just few things we

871
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:13.640
know of. These people could have
owned technology that we couldn't even imagine.

872
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:18.880
We see the precision laser cut of
the hieroglyphs right, or the connecting of

873
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:23.119
the stone. They might have technology, but they could literally melt stones,

874
01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:27.800
or they could even some say that
they could even have produced stones on the

875
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:30.279
spot with the sand. That's what
I heard, Yeah, that's the theory.

876
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:38.039
So could be anything or thing that
we wouldn't imagine that there's a technology

877
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:45.079
that could exist, right, so
I think also it involved like the Atlantean.

878
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.279
Right, this is all the remnants
of that Lanthean technology which was more

879
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:55.439
than twenty thousand years old or more. You heard of the emerald tablet to

880
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.279
speak about. Sure, right,
this is more than twenty thousand years old.

881
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:06.159
So so I think all the sellers
about the history is a lie.

882
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:13.800
So if the people have very hard
time thinking how the engine could have something

883
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:18.640
so advanced, that's why the people
think they're so advance right now, because

884
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:24.560
just because we have a digital stuff, we think we are really high tech.

885
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:29.600
But it's nothing, it's nothing comparison
to what these people were doing and

886
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.760
making. And they just left us
the bread crumbs there. They don't even

887
01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:38.600
give us the best stuff. Oh
no, not even close. They speak

888
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:45.399
about that Lenain technology, speak about
flying craft They speak about the golden paths

889
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:49.159
made of gold and things levitating,
you know. They speak about the golden

890
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:57.920
wains that they used to find of
goals were really were were tracks for for

891
01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:02.239
flying vehicles. They speak about these
kind of technology in ancient times. They

892
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:10.600
speak about aerial vimanas. They speak
about magnetic levitation of vimanas of crafts.

893
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:16.600
They speak about sciences with genetic engineering, that they could do hybrids and every

894
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:24.439
kind of thing we could imagine.
There's a lot of yeah, sorry,

895
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:27.399
go ahead, no, no,
go ahead. I was just gonna say,

896
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:32.159
there's a lot of people who think
that there is something that gold works

897
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.920
with, some type of hidden technology. That's why they put such a high

898
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.039
price on it. And if you
look, I think it was in the

899
01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:43.199
seventies or eighties when they started to
shoot up. Obviously it went up because

900
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:46.720
of that. They went off the
that they went to fiance currency. But

901
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:53.920
you know, there's rumors of missing
gold from nine to eleven. So there's

902
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.319
a theory out there that they're trying
to get all the gold because it does

903
01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:02.720
work with some type of hidden technology
that we don't even know about exactly.

904
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:08.119
And that's just one of the other
things that they could use gold for.

905
01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:15.960
There have to be more stuff with
the gold. Yeah. I even hear

906
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.960
that they used to make philosophers stone
or some kind of a powder with the

907
01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:24.600
gold. They wanted to make philosopher's
stone in alchemy. But I also heard

908
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.640
that they used to make it from
the gold, which they used to call

909
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:32.359
the white gold. It's like a
way of immortalities by the ancients. Yes,

910
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:35.000
yeah, they used to drink it
back in the day, way way

911
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:40.520
back in the day. They would
drink gold, small amount exactly. Yeah.

912
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:45.000
Yeah. Even now the people eat
gold like you know those flakes,

913
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.359
gold flakes in their drinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

914
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:51.079
It has to charge or do something
like you know the electricity in us,

915
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:58.319
maybe the electrolytes or it helps to
move the energy or something, right,

916
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:00.640
right, Well, they know something
because the elites they always live to be

917
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:05.560
one hundred years old. That's why
I was shocked when rothschild bit the dust

918
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:09.479
the other day and he was so
young. He was only eighty seven.

919
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:14.000
That's very young for one of the
elites to die. Yeah. Yeah,

920
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:18.119
normally these people last a long Yeah. They have all the all the riches

921
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:23.399
of the world. They try till
the last moment, every kind of most

922
01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:27.960
expensive treatment and you know, but
they cannot be eternal. They can't be.

923
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:32.039
They can be who knows. But
maybe they had they had technology,

924
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:36.000
but they're not giving to these elites
too, right, Maybe not immortal,

925
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:41.560
but maybe a few hundred years right, why not, it's possible. Maybe

926
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.600
there are people who live in Himalayas
f one hundred and twenty one hundred and

927
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:49.760
fifty years old even today. Why
because they live in a pristine climate.

928
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:56.359
The water is pure liquid from the
Himalayas, untouched by anything. The fruits

929
01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:59.960
are you know, the vegetables,
fruit, whatever they eat, the meat,

930
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.079
everything is like pure clean, you
know, so that it affects us.

931
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:06.720
Why you think that people are going
more than eighty or ninety years.

932
01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:11.079
You know, maybe in the next
generation they know, we're not going to

933
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.960
even read seventy you know, with
the contamination and with the food and the

934
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:19.479
process and everything right, and with
all the extra crab they have bit,

935
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:24.319
you know, with everything else,
it's very difficult that the people, you

936
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:29.079
know, maybe they say, oh, maybe they release some technology that the

937
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:31.760
people can live eighteen ninety, but
maybe you have to pay a lot of

938
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:36.279
money, you know, a lot
of money, yeah, or you die.

939
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.000
Yeah, that's the one one thing
everybody would be willing to pay for.

940
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:48.560
Right. It depends what kind of
life a person has. Of course,

941
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:53.399
if you don't have quality of life, it's it's certainly are you going

942
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:56.319
to say, you know whatever?
Right, yeah, but yeah, we

943
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:00.279
don't know what they have for us. They know they're going to know try

944
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:10.800
to make us more live in fear
contaminated us more our food, our the

945
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:15.279
wars are gonna go on. It's
very difficult for looks like there's gonna be

946
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:20.520
something harmonies for this, for this
art, with the with the human situation

947
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:26.640
right now, right, yeah,
absolutely? Uh. Last question I wanted

948
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.560
to ask you, do you think
that there is a lands on the other

949
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:36.279
side of the ice walls? Are
there places maybe south of Australia through Antarctica.

950
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:42.039
Do you do you think that there
is other like like Dave Weiss says,

951
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:48.159
extra terra extra territory beyond the ice
walls. Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely

952
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:55.279
there is and extra and below there
are lands. There are supposed to be

953
01:18:55.319 --> 01:19:00.239
subterranean walls and extra lands. So
according to some culture, these extra lands

954
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:06.239
are so so much land exists that
even some say that even our mind cannot

955
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:15.079
imagine so much of extra land exists. And extra humanoids extraterrestrial if you want

956
01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:20.399
to call it. Maybe they're just
humanoids with hybrids or mutants or different variations

957
01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:27.439
of humanoids, right, having some
maybe more evolved than us, much more

958
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:31.720
some maybe like us, some maybe
more behind us. Right, we might

959
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:36.359
be a slave plantation here right where
they're just taking all the resources, the

960
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:42.840
good stuff, and putting it in
the more other parts of the of these

961
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:46.000
extra lands. Right, That's why
these people that people disappear. People,

962
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:53.359
these politicians and musicians also disappear.
Right. So it's quite possible that this

963
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:57.880
is a slave plantation. That's why
so much of problems, so much of

964
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:03.159
war, so much of stuff that
they're doing is because of this. So

965
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:08.680
they can take the real resources and
keep it there, and if the time

966
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.680
they want to escape, they go
there. It's quite possible. And a

967
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.479
lot, as I said, a
lot of scripture speaks about those extral and

968
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.520
a lot of scripture speaks about those
extra people and what they could be,

969
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:25.479
and some going details that we cannot
even imagine. They speak about the North

970
01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:30.159
Pole, what kind of races they
could be. They speak of our Hyperborea,

971
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.720
the Asgard, the Shambala, you
know. They speaks about beings like

972
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:40.239
giants, the eighties, the sach
Quarts, every kind of mythical creatures,

973
01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:47.119
dragons, everything is could be alive
in the another pond. Right, and

974
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:54.159
then there are they speak about organic
technologies apart from telepathy and remote viewing and

975
01:20:54.279 --> 01:21:00.079
out of body experiences like time traveling
and like you know, Avatar kind of

976
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:04.199
of stuff. Right, it's crazy, it is. Do you think Michael

977
01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:08.600
Jackson and Elvis Presley you're drinking Martinez
on the other side of the ice wall?

978
01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:15.680
Who knows? Right, Yeah,
maybe there's that whole conspiracy about all

979
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.439
those musicians at twenty seven years old
and they check out Kirk Coubain and Cherry

980
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:26.760
Henry the ice wall. I don't
buy into the whole ice wall stuff.

981
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:29.439
I think maybe there is some part
there is ice wall, right, but

982
01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:33.359
I think there's just extra land after. There is a couple of video.

983
01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:36.720
I think it was released by a
Russian no one, I think so.

984
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:44.399
But it's in Spanish. It's showing
that people going through the Antariga and after

985
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:48.960
some ice and this starts again land
like Russia, like you know, like

986
01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:55.800
northern Hemisphere kind of land like Norway
up in their articles yeah yeah yeah,

987
01:21:55.920 --> 01:22:00.199
but in Antartica yeah sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy up.

988
01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.640
I'll see if I can send you
a link on It's on TikTok.

989
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.119
Yeah. If you find it,
sent it to me and I'll link it

990
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:09.479
in the show notes so people can
check it out. Yeah, that's awesome.

991
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:13.359
So many things but you know,
they got us wound tight and they'll

992
01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:16.840
let us explore only so much,
obviously the Antarctic treaty. But I do

993
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:23.039
think they are starting to feel the
sweat a little bit because they've been pushing

994
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:28.760
things like moon landings and solar flares
lately. So they always push back on

995
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:32.600
something which obviously is very big,
and that is to hide God and to

996
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:36.439
believe, you know, in fairy
tales, and they reinforce it with their

997
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:41.319
star Wars and Star Trek, And
like I said, we were doing the

998
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.600
dishes. I think I told you
before we started, and you know,

999
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:46.800
the little news break came on the
local radio and they were talking about the

1000
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:51.640
moons of Saturn and scientists and they
will never let on to let people know

1001
01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:56.560
how big a deal it is,
just because I guess they put so much

1002
01:22:56.600 --> 01:23:00.560
effort into it and it is such
a hard nut to crack, it really

1003
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:02.840
is. But was there anything else
you wanted to touch on before we wrapped

1004
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:08.800
up tonight? All good, brother, If you have any questions or any

1005
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:13.520
last question or whatever, I'm good. It was a great chat. It

1006
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:16.079
was amazing, and we're going to
have the link to your two documentaries.

1007
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:20.000
I'll put your debate with Mick tune
in there. I'm going to put the

1008
01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:25.600
click spring in there as well,
and then make sure I didn't have any

1009
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:30.960
other questions left in my notes real
quick, I think I covered everything I

1010
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.640
wanted to, and it's just important
to get people to know trust what we

1011
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:39.880
see. I think I've mentioned it
a few times recently, right, because

1012
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:44.680
like this is a white pen.
This is kind of what I tell people,

1013
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.800
and then science will tell you,
no, it's a red pen and

1014
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.600
it's actually a pencil. It's not
even a pen. And that's how I

1015
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:56.680
equate flat Earth because I think when
you're born, you have senses and you're

1016
01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:00.319
able to trust what you see and
what you feel. And then you whether

1017
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.800
the education system that was hijacked so
many you know, over a century ago,

1018
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:09.720
and it programs you. So that
really leads me to believe that.

1019
01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:13.760
I mean, I don't know if
the if the fluoride in the water plays

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01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.000
part of it, or it's simply
just being a product of the environment and

1021
01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:21.239
where you're brought up. But at
some point we have to start using our

1022
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:26.319
senses and believing what we see and
feel. Right, Oh yeah, people

1023
01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:30.560
have to start paying attention. This
is what the people have to do first

1024
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:34.439
of all, and separate the things
right and see about the flat out,

1025
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:40.279
because what you think is what you
become. Right. If you are thinking

1026
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.119
of a fanda the world, you
are going to be in a fanda the

1027
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:46.319
world, right. But if you
think the true cosmology of the of the

1028
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:50.359
creator, of the divine, you
are going to go in the right way.

1029
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:55.680
You're going to become like similar right
in the way of the creation,

1030
01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:59.800
what was made for us, right, and not this indoctrination. Yep,

1031
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.000
absolutely, Well, it's been great, and folks will have Vica's YouTube channel.

1032
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.760
Make sure you subscribe and click that
bell so you get notified. Go

1033
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:11.239
to Facebook, you know, like
and become his friend there. I think

1034
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:15.880
you said you have sixty thousand folks
there on my Facebook group. Yeah,

1035
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:21.159
well Flattered Association sixty thousand members.
Awesome, so that'll be there as well,

1036
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.039
and all the other links we talked
about. And Vick again, thank

1037
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.279
you so much. I know it's
about one thirty in the morning in Spain

1038
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:30.680
and it's been just a great conversation
and I'd like to give you the last

1039
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:35.079
word to address the audience before we
sign off. Oh it's a it's a

1040
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:40.479
great pleasure to be here. Yes, keep an open mind. Yeah,

1041
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:47.600
see through the The Creator has given
as eyes to see, so separate things,

1042
01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:53.640
filter things right, go with your
instinct, listen to yourself, pay

1043
01:25:53.680 --> 01:26:00.359
attention right and see the truth cosmology
right, our flatter geocentric station, Shad.

1044
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:05.439
Thank you George, and yep,
thanks for all the listeners too.

1045
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:09.920
Yeah, it was a great conversation. God bless you, and we'll stay

1046
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:12.760
in touch and I'd love to do
it again down the road. This was

1047
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:15.319
just a wonderful conversation and I can't
thank you enough for your time and toil

1048
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:18.479
all the listeners. Thank you for
your continued support. Make sure you check

1049
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:23.000
out and support all of Vicka's work
and keep your head on a swivel.

1050
01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:26.279
As we say, and until we
meet again, my friends, we will

1051
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:34.720
see you. I know it's pain
struggle. I don't know you've had spain.

1052
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:45.239
I'm not feeling tired. Tell down
all the way. Yeah, I

1053
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:58.439
know you feeling you smile at the
same that's well, go for ye feel

1054
01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:05.279
like you've lost your way, don't
give up. No, don't give it

1055
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:13.039
and neverless home. Don't let call
the primise. It ain't done yet.

1056
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:18.039
He's gone up plaid. Why it's
a way got up? May me come?

1057
01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:35.159
Why right? God MC, I
can see the street inside you.

1058
01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:45.920
Child's are putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing. Yeah,

1059
01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:55.279
you're gonna be all right. You're
accepting a bad bound beautiful you're shoving

1060
01:27:55.760 --> 01:28:04.960
ride. Yeah, you're living breath. You can hold your head a pie.

1061
01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:12.760
Don't give up, No, don't
give in, never loves home.

1062
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:17.079
Don't they go on the primies?
It ain't done yet? This god up

1063
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:24.680
clad? Why some waintail? The
God of maybe come, don't give up?

1064
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:29.520
No, don't give in. You
never lose home. Don't let go

1065
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:34.680
on the primies. It ain't god
life, It's worth living. What's a

1066
01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:45.880
waytail? The God of Babel?
Why sur pray down? Got it up?

1067
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:54.720
Sav Oh? Yes, what a
pray down? The God up baby

1068
01:28:54.880 --> 01:29:14.319
caught? Oh yeah, gott don't
give up, No, don't give in,

1069
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:19.199
never lose hold. Don't they go
of the primise? I mean and

1070
01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:27.920
done? Yes, God a play
watch a kind of even coats and don't

1071
01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:33.039
give up. No dog given whatever
its hold. Don't let go of the

1072
01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:41.479
crimes. It ain't done. Others
worth living? What's doe? The god

1073
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:56.880
of every colds. Oh, the
God of need cos w's done. The

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01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:09.319
God of the coas mm hmmm.
You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network,

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01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:13.760
Just the Facts, Mammy