You're listening to the Mind over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
murders, and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together
with Kristin Dilly. My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a
researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social
media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner
in crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to Mind of a Murderer. I'm Kristin
Dilly and I'm Bill Thomas. Welcome to another fun filled, exciting episode in
which we talk more about serial killers. YY. Can we use fun filled
and serial killers in the same sentence? I don't feel like we can.
Unfortunately, I don't think that actually works fair enough. So it's an ask
us anything, Colonial Parkway Murders Special Edition? What makes it special? Kristin
Dilly, all of these questions came to us from a longtime listener who has
been with us from the very very beginning four long years now or I guess
four short years, depending on how well you reckon your sense of time.
Sends us excellent questions every single time that we ask for them, and he
really outdid himself this time. So this is ask us anything. We're calling
this the Robert Gray Edition. Thank you Robert for always giving us amazing questions.
These are truly fantastic and there's a whole slew of them. So I
think this is going to take us like multiple episodes to get into. I
think so too. Now, last week you heard us have a fantastic conversation
with Blaine Pardoh. We really appreciate Blaine coming on Mind over Murder and talking
to us about a special kind of evil, the book that he co wrote
with his daughter Victoria Hester and the Colonial Parkway murders, and so he covered
a lot of really interesting ground in that conversation with us. And we've tried
now with Robert Gray's questions to go down other roads. We're going to do
our best to answer these questions. I can see one or two in here
that I think you're going to stump Us. We've got a lot to say,
and we want to thank Robert for these fantastic questions. Absolutely so,
without any further hesitation, let's just dive on in as always, al act
is MC here and I'll post the question. Bill will answer, I will
answer, and we'll go back and forth until it has been answered satisfactorily.
And we do encourage everybody to send us the questions that you have about the
Colonial Parkway murders and the recent reveal of Alan Wade Wilmer Senior as the killer
of Robin Edwards, David Knabline and Teresa Howell, and we will do our
best to answer them all right, Question number one, Bill and Kristen,
how have your own personal theories on the Colonial Parkway murders case has changed since
Alan Wade Wilmer Senior was identified as the perpetrator in the Edwards, Nobling and
Howell cases. We'll go and start with that portion of it. There's more.
Wow, there's a lot right there. First of all, I've always
been very skeptical that all four of the double homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders
were all related. And now I'm back to where I was years ago,
which is thinking that the four double homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders are all
related. Certainly, we have Alan Wade Wilmer Senior identified as the offender in
the Robin Edwards David Noblin case via DNA and then also linked via DNA to
the nineteen eighty nine murder of Teresa Howell in Hampton, Virginia. As we've
discussed here over the last several weeks, we also know that Wilmer Senior was
suspect number one in the disappearance of Keith Collin to Sandra Haley. He's definitely
linked to three homicides, two in the Colonial Parkway murders and the Teresa Howell
case, as well as circumstantially linked to two more in the Colonial Parkway murders,
Keith Collin to Sandra Haley. So I'm actually thinking that we may end
up in a situation where the Colonial Parkway Murders are a murder series. So
that's a big shift for me personally. What about for you, Kristen,
Yeah, exactly the same. We I think. Even as recently as our
last ask Us Anything episode, we had been asked, what is your thought
process on the whole thing, And I remember that we had said, we
think eventually one or two of these are going to fall off the table.
And interestingly, I know that we were thinking Phelps Lawer was going to fall
off the table. I had also said maybe Ragged Island is going to fall
off the table too. I think it's very interesting now to look back at
that and then look at where we have been since January eighth and realize,
Wow, this has fundamentally shifted my point of view and my understanding of this
case. I do think now that the four murders in the Colonial Parkway murders
are all linked together. Now of course we have the inclusion of Teresa Howell's
murder as part of the Colonial Parkway Murders series. Now this does lead us
to start looking into the possibility of whether or not there are other single homicides,
and that led me to immediately go the cases we've always called Parkway adjacent
Brian Pattinger and Laurian Powell. Now I feel like they're back in play too,
and we need to consider is Alan Wade Wilmer Senior responsible for those cases
as well as Teresa Howell as well as the four Colonial Parkway murders cases and
are there others? And I think it's very likely there are others. This
is fundamentally shifted my understanding of the case. But the more that I think
about it, the more that I turn it over during my commute and every
bit of free time that I have, the more that it does make sense.
And I can see Alan Wade Wilmer Senior being the single perpetrator for this
quite likely, so that I think steers us to question number two. All
right, so question number two. I know you've said you believe Alan Wade
Wilmer Senior will likely be linked to other unsolved crimes in Virginia following this logic,
at this point in time, do you personally believe Alan Wade Wilmer Senior
was directly involved in any other of the CPM cases? If so, which
ones and why? What does your gut tell you? What is your opinion
on the likelihood that he was involved in all four of them? I think
we covered some of that in our comments from a moment ago. I think
it's extremely likely. As a matter of fact, I bet you a nice
lunch, Alan Wade Wilmer will be identified as being responsible for other unsolved murders
in Virginia and perhaps elsewhere. His name has come up a lot, and
we wanted to say hello to many of our new liststeners from Lancaster County who
are coming forward with information and they're highlighting cases, some of which we were
not familiar with at all. And as a matter of fact, Kristin has
been scrambling to put together a list and I know I'm going to have more
names to add to it of people that Virginians and people living even in adjacent
states feel that their cases or cases they're familiar with should be looked at in
connection with Alan Wade Wilmer Senior. I actually think it's quite possible that Wilmer
is responsible for all four of the Colonial Parkway murders. Remember, even from
the very beginning in Kathy and Becky's murder, they were looking for a waterman.
This guy checks a lot of boxes in terms of the kind of person
they've been looking for decades in Kathy and Becky's murder as well as in the
other Colonial Parkway murders. So I am highly confident Alan Wade Wilmer Senior will
be identified as an offender in a number of unsolved rapes and murders in Virginia
and elsewhere agreed one hundred percent. My legal pad, where I'm adding case
names and case details and so on and so forth, is getting pretty fall
at this point, and I keep having to reevaluate and scramble my list around
because I'm looking at all of these different unsolved cases. They're running really heavily
all through the eighties, but there's also some outliers. We've got one that
we're looking at in North Carolina from nineteen ninety seven, for example, and
one even as recently as twenty seventeen, right before this offender died. It
is going to be very interesting to see when law enforcement. I'm going to
be positive about this. I'm going to say when law enforcement follows up on
these cases, I'm going to be very interested to see how many of these
actually do check a box in the Alan Wade Wilmer Senior column in which are
going to be ultimately no, not connected. But we're still looking before the
reasons in press conference, I never knew that Robin Edwards was sexually assaulted,
says Robert. Is this new information or was this already known to the public.
It was not new information to us right. I don't think it was
ever known to the public. We've known for years, and we've worked very
closely with Robin's family and with David's family. We knew that Robin had been
sexually assaulted. We knew that someone had the night she died. Now,
obviously that could be consensual or it could be rape. I think Kristin and
I both felt that it was rape, particularly since she ended up being shot
to death along with her companion and their bodies dumped in the James River.
So we've known about this for quite some time. It's worth reviewing some of
this though, in that the Edwards family and Kristin and Bill have been pushing
for about probably close to five years, that the evidence in Robin's rape kit
be retested. This is post Golden State killer. I had talked to Jeanette
Edward Santiago, who is Robin's older sister, who's absolutely wonderful about testing that
evidence, and we both felt very strongly that we should test the evidence.
We knew that it was a very small amount of evidence remaining. They'd done
earlier tests at a time when more of the evidence was consumed. As a
result of those tests. In other words, you hope for a DNA profile
and hopefully some DNA remaining. With each test that's conducted, more of the
evidence is actually consumed in the chemical process that creates a profile. The good
news is that new tests in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four consume less
evidence than they did back in the day. Now, we had been approached
with a tip, this has got to be a year ago, Kristen,
maybe longer. Kristin and my partner Pamela teach me about Bill Thomas time or
I keep insisting something was six months ago, and one of them looks at
me and says, it was two years ago. I somehow compressed things in
my head. Let's just go with a year or so ago. Don't hold
me to that number, like a year with exclamation yeah, with that quotation
marks around quotation marks around it. Okay, a year or so. We
had received a tip that the Virginia State Police in the Department of Forensic Services
the DFS in the Commonwealth of Virginia had applied for and received a SAKI grant,
a Sexual Assault Kit Initiative grant. Kristin and I have talked about these
before on the program. They were going to use that SAK grant, which
is usually like five thousand dollars to cover lab costs to test the evidence in
the Robin Edwards rape kit. We understood that the evidence was going to a
particular lab. Names are not important here. We'd heard from our colleagues that
lab might not be the best choice for this particular kind of test because it
was badly degraded DNA. It had been exposed to seawater. Remember, and
David's bodies were dumped in the water, and we're floating out towards the ocean,
so salt water is particularly damaging. This evidence is also thirty five years
old. We've got a lot of challenges here, and we were told that
the particular lab that had been designated to do the testing might not be the
top choice. No criticism here, since we know we might consume the last
bit of evidence. I got a hold of Janette and we talked about it,
and we both agreed that if we're willing to take the last shot,
because Jeanette and I both said, it's been so many years, let's just
take the shot and see if we can get a workable DNA profile here.
Jeanette and I reached out to the Virginia State Police investigator, who's very helpful.
He's been handling the case as a cold case for the last couple of
years. I really like him and he works very well with the families,
and we conveyed our concerns and he took them under advisement. But then he
came back to Janette and she's the appropriate person for him to contact, and
he said it's too late. The evidence went to the lab. The good
news is the evidence came back from the lab. They had not conducted the
tests. They figured out that their system wasn't really the right system for a
badly degraded small amount of DNA that had been exposed to seawater, so they
returned the evidence to the Virginia DFS Department of Forensic Science. So then the
evidence went out to another lab unnamed to us. The good news is they
got a result. This lab was a better choice. Whoever that might be.
I can think of three or four labs. It could have been all
of them excellent and terrific people who are trying to help move cases forward.
So then a profile was then created. Now we understand that investigative genetic genealogy
was used in this example, but that's a conversation for another day. They
ended up with a working profile and they had a name. This is how
we ended up with the offender in the rob and Edwards David Nobling case at
Ragged Island being identified and Robert. It is an excellent question. I don't
think it was over public that Robin had been raped, but it was something
that the family group and those of us that have worked on the case for
a number of years were aware of. I do remember it was on one
of the anniversaries. I'm going to have to do Bill Thomas time now.
It had to have been three or four years ago, but I really can't
be sure at this point, give me five or six years ago, or
maybe it wasn't even an anniversary. But I was writing something up about the
case for the Colonial Parkway murders Facebook page. I had mentioned in there that
there was everybody knew that David and Robin had been murdered, but I remember
using the term sexually assaulted, and one of Robin's friends actually wrote and said,
please don't mention that. It's just really upsetting for those of us who
knew her, and I was like, of course, absolutely, we'll take
it out because it isn't necessary to know, not really, but I remember
being very careful from that point on. Let's not mention it because it really
the tragedy here is that this poor young woman was murdered. We don't need
to compound the tragedy by also mentioning that she had been violated in this terrible
way as well. So the second part of this question I think is really
interesting Robert, and he asks, with sexual assault being a motive in Edward's
novelin, does this change how you view potential motive in the other Colonial Parkway
murders cases? Is there any evidence that indicates other victims in the other CPM
cases we're sexually assaulted. I want to deal with that for just one second
by pointing out that there are some difficulties with that. In that number one,
we know that there was a rape kit taken for Kathy and Becky,
but unfortunately, as we've covered on the podcast before, that rape kit was
destroyed after a I'm trying to figure out a really polite way toward this,
and I don't think there is one. You want to go ahead and take
that bureaucratic foul up. Sure, we'll go with that. One bureaucratic fell
up between York Precoson Sheriff's Office and the FBI over who had the kit,
who was going to be responsible for it, and ultimately the kit was destroyed.
We don't know if there was sexual assault in Kathy and Becky's case because
we do not have the kit to test that. To our knowledge, however,
Kathy Thomas and Rebecca Dowski were not sexually assaulted. That's the best we
can do. Given the fact that the FBI ordered York Pekoson County to burn
the Thomas and Dowski rape kits as medical waste, eight years after they were
murdered. I don't know what to say, is what it is. My
understanding is that they were not sexually assaulted. But as doctor Marcella Fierro said
to me, mister Thomas, you never ever destroy evidence in an unsolved murder
case. There's no excuse for it. As far as we know, Kathy
and Becky were not sexually assaulted. Now, let's turn to the other victims
in the Colonial Parkway murders. What do we know about sexual assault? And
unfortunately for these two cases, in one case, the call in the Haley
case, we do not have bodies, so there is no way of knowing
that. And because we know that there is a possibility that the car was
staged on the Parkway, we don't really know where the primary crime scene was.
We don't know where they were intercepted. It could have been the party,
it could have been any number of other places. We have no real
way of knowing that either. And then with Phelpslower, their bodies were found
in such an advanced state of decomposition that there was no way to get any
sort of evidence either. In three of the four cases, we really have
no way of knowing definitively whether or not sexual assault was a motive. It's
a good question, and it's definitely one that needs to be taken into consideration
because it does seem like sexual assault was very much on Alan Wade Wilmer Senior's
mind when he went out hunting. Because of the bureaucratic foul up and the
state of the bodies in the New Kent case and the fact that we have
no bodies for Keith and Sandy, I don't think we're going to be able
to come up with a straight answer for that. Unfortunately, we're gonna go
ahead and move on a question number four. Has the FBI compared Alan Wade,
Wilmer Seniors DNA with potential perpetrator DNA found in the Call Haley for Thomas
Dowski crime scenes? If not, do they have any plans to what is
the status of DNA testing? That's the sixty four thousand dollars question, What
is the status of DNA testing in general? In the other cases, Let
me find a nice wall that I can bang my head against for a little
while I think to the question, has the FBI compared Alan Wade, Wilmer
Seniors DNA with potential perpetrator DNA found in the Call Haley or Thomasowski crime scenes?
I would like to think that they have, or that they will.
The logical part of me believes that they will. They will not answer straightforward
questions in a straightforward manner. I guess the best I can do is say
I believe so certainly. I had a very frank conversation with our FBI agent
a couple of weeks ago where I emphatically said that this has to happen,
and that I needed a personal assurance that this was going to happen. I'm
still not one hundred percent satisfied with the answer I got, But that seems
to be just the way the FBI works. I should also mention and hello
to the FBI analyst who was listening to our podcast. The FBI indicated to
the families that in order to do the additional testing on the evidence that we
would hope would go part and parcel with learning that a serial killer was active
in this part of Virginia and me very very well be responsible for the other
murders in this series of cases, families were told that it would cost three
hundred thousand dollars to do the DNA testing in this particular case. I am
confident that we could crowdfund that from you guys, But as you recall,
the FBI has said that they cannot accept gifts from the family members or from
anybody that, as they say, is that and I just find that reprehensible.
You cannot tell me that there is not three hundred thousand dollars somewhere in
the FBI's budget that you can use to test the evidence in these cases when
it has been determined based on physical DNA evidence, that there is a man
who was a serial killer in this area during the nineteen eighties and may very
well have been working up until the last days of his life. You cannot
tell me that you don't have the money for that, and if you do,
I'm going to call you a liar. I'm going to call you a
liar. We're pretty horrified that this kind of thing is conveyed to the families.
Now. I've even been told that basically that I need to lobby for
more funding for the FBI's budget in order to cover these costs. That's not
your job, though, well, is what I would say to that.
It's not that I'm not willing to do it, of course, obviously we
want answers in the Colonial Parkway murders. But how many million dollars is the
FBI already into the Colonial Parkway murders. Think about how much FBI agent and
staff time over thirty seven years has gone into this case. How many different
forensic tests have been conducted in the Colonial Parkway murders, and now they're telling
the families they need another three hundred thousand dollars. And the implication and I
was not in the room when this was said, because I wasn't invited to
the meeting. The implication seemed to be that the Colonial Parkway murders families were
going to have to lobby on behalf of the FBI for an additional three hundred
thousand dollars to be added to the FBI budget. It's not that I'm not
willing to do it, it just seemed like the timing was inappropriate at best.
This is at the briefing that the call Hayley, Edwards and Noobling families
were informed about the news regarding their loved ones. I think from a timing
perspective, if nothing else, it was a highly inappropriate thing for these FBI
agents to say, you're listening to Mind over Murder. We'll be right back
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of DNA and tips, what our other means investigators can leverage to determine or
rule out a potential connection between Alan Wade Wilmer Senior and the other Colonial Parkway
murders cases. I'm not sure I completely understand the question. I think DNA
and tips, particularly from people from Lancaster County and Northumberland County that knew Allan
Wade Wilmer, I think those are the two most important things. Obviously.
One of the things that we're very concerned about is this apparent policy that Allan
Wade Wilmer seniors DNA cannot be loaded into the CODIS system, which we've discussed
a little bit in some interviews and on this podcast as well as other podcasts.
We're finding this really baffling. Apparently, because Wilmer was never convicted of
a felony during his time on Earth, we cannot now upload his DNA into
COTIS, and this is something that is unacceptable to us. We think this
is razy. This is a man who is a confirmed m serial killer by
FBI established standards. We actually think these rules need to be changed, and
strangely, these decisions seem to be made at the state level. COTIS is
a strange system, and we're going to be trying to develop a better understanding
of how the system works. We're actually hoping to have a CODAS expert join
us in the next couple of weeks to walk us through how the system works
and how it can be improved. We have talked to a lot of people.
We're not actually sure that the remedy is a legislative one. We think
it may be a rule change that's required. We think it's just completely insane
that a clearly identified serial killer who's dead and has been dead since twenty seventeen,
that his DNA cannot be placed into the CODAS system. We understand that
one to one comparisons can be made between Wilmer and other cases where agents suspect
that there could be relationship, but we think this is a remarkably inefficient way
to go about this. As we understand it, this is what CODIS was
designed for. We are determined to help figure out a way to get Wilmer's
DNA put into the CODAS system. We think it would facilitate a lot of
identifications and link Wilmer potentially to a number of other solved and unsolved cases.
I think if they eventually get him put in there, it is going to
light up like a Christmas tree, and that is something that investigators are going
to have to be prepared for. This one's interesting, and I don't know
that we have this information, but let's give it a shot. At any
point in time, was Alan Wade Wilmer Senior considered a suspect in the Thomas
Daowski or Phelps lower cases. I'm actually fairly certain based on new information that
I've received, that Alan Wade Wilmer was a suspect in the Thomas Dowski murder.
At the time of the disappearance of Keith Colin Cassandra Haley, when they
were taking a look at Wilmer, and this is when they were executing the
search warrant at his parents' home, as it turns out, up in Lancaster,
as well as giving him the lie detector test and questioning him. They
believed actually that they had identified the Colonial Parkway killer and that he was a
suspect in Thomas Dowski. We've also heard unofficially from retired Virginia State Police investigators
that they actually regarded Alan Wade Wilmer Senior as a suspect in the Phelps Lower
murder. That's the one up on Interstate sixty four at the Hunt Club.
Don't forget this is a man who was an avid hunter. I think the
answer is yes, he was a suspect in these other Colonial Parkway murders.
What evidence exists in the other Colonial Parkway murders cases that you believe may rule
out Alan Wade Wilmer Senior as a likely perpetrator or suspect. I think about
the only thing that would eliminate Wilmer as a suspect in the other Colonial Parkway
murders would be a via DNA offender. DNA if another offender was identified and
nothing from Wilmer was found there, you could see that moving in that direction.
But other than that, I can't think of too much now me either,
I have any tips placed Ellen Wade Wilmer senior at the party Keith Collin
Cassandra Haley attended the night of their disappearance. Have any tips indicated that they
may have crussed paths at all on that night. It's a very interesting question,
and it's one Bill and I both immediately asked ourselves when we started learning
more about Wilmer. Is this the kind of guy who would have shown up
at the University Square party that night? I have not heard anything, but
keep in mind Bill spends a lot more time engaging with people and working tips
during the day than I'm capable of doing. Because I'm teaching high schoolers,
Bill's able to get a lot of stuff. So I think you'd have told
me if you'd heard, But I also know we haven't caught up in a
day or two. Have you heard anything. I talked to Joyce called Canada,
Keith's sister, at some length as recently as yesterday, and she indicated
that they've had some really good discussions and we've actually shared some of their content
from there. Whatever happened to Richard Keith call and Cassandra Haley facebook page where
a lot of people who were at the party at Christopher Newport University the night
that Keith and Sandy went missing have been discussing this very issue. It's something
we're definitely looking at, and this is something that we understand that our FBI
and Virginia State Police investigators are looking at. Again. I was frustrated a
few years ago because I felt like I had talked to more people who were
at that party and Joyce the same than the investigators had, which was a
big source of frustration for us. Most of those people are still around,
they're in their fifties now, because this was thirty five years ago and they
were eighteen to twenty two years old, mostly college students or of college age,
and they're more than willing to help. Obviously, they're not going to
remember every single detail from an evening thirty five years ago. But they are
completely willing to talk with investigators. I know that the investigators had indicated they
were going to be talking to some of the people specifically who were there that
evening, So I think that's an open question and a very good one.
Is it possible that somebody like Wilmer could have shown up there? Yeah,
there were some reports there were a lot of people there, and it was
a party that was in several different apartments. There's beer and beer kegs and
lots of stuff going on with young people hanging out. But there were some
reports that there were some older people there, and older, by the way,
would have meant thirty ish, which would have been approximately Wilmer's age.
And other people like Ron Little and other longtime suspects have also been mentioned as
potentially being at that party. But I think this is absolutely worth exploring,
particularly when it feels like we're so close now on cal Haley. It would
be fantastic if we could sort this out and identify whether Wilmer is the appropriate
offender for Keith Colin Cassandra Haley. Absolutely, is there any reason to believe
Allan Wade Wilmer Senior knew any of his victims or does it appear it was
stranger on stranger violence in the cases where he is a confirmed perpetrator, have
any tips come in indicating that he knew, met or had a connection to
any other victims in the CPM cases. This is a really interesting question.
From our recent conversations with profilers and FBI trained profilers now in private practice,
a number of them feel that Alan Wade Wilmer was a serial offender and that
he was always hunting for new victims. So while he's working as a waterman,
working as a tree man, driving around, going into a bar,
or arrest than ron, he's always looking for potential victims, single women,
perhaps single men, and couples. We are not aware of him actually meeting
any of these victims, but he might have seen them around. And I
was just talking to Joyce about this. There are potential intersections between where some
of the victims live and work and go to school and Wilmer. So it'll
be really interesting to see what the investigators come up with in the coming months.
So this next question is actually something that we're going to do a larger
episode on. So I think we're going to acknowledge the question, but then
say stay tuned for an upcoming episode. Can't give away all of our trade
secrets all at once. So the question is, have any tips come in
indicating Alan Wade Wilmer Senior had an overtly aggressive nature and hatred toward gay or
lesbian couples. And I'm going to say, let's wait for an upcoming episode
and we'll discuss that further. Fair enough. Next one, does Allan Woid
Wilmer Senior's work as a waterman give you any reason to believe he was involved
in the Thomasdowski case in line with the original waterman theory, which is attributed
to evidence found near the vehicle discovery site in that case. Yes, yeah,
I would say out equivocally yes, without question, and particularly with the
use of nautical rope. Remember we say rope a lot, but it's actually
nautical rope. Blaine Pardo mentioned that last week in the interview we did with
him, and he got that from former sac IRV Wells Special Agent in charge.
He was the man that was responsible for the overall investigation of Thomasdowski and
Carl Haley, the two FBI cases on the Colonial Parkway in its nautical rope,
knives and diesel fuel, and these are some of the tools of a
waterman. Whoever killed them brought those things with them and for the most part,
took them away. There was a small piece of nautical rope left behind,
stuck on my sister's neck, up under her long red hair, and
I hope that they are taking another look at that rope and the origins of
that rope. But as I understand, it's nautical rope of a type that
would have been used by waterman, So there's a lot there that indicates that
a waterman could have been involved. I really hope they are paying attention to
that rope in particular. It has been literally hundreds of tips. One of
the many hundreds of tips that we have received from people, one of them
that stood out to me was from someone who said one of the places Filmer
frequented was a shop that had a special type of nautical rope, and I
would one percent encourage the FBI to please dig out that tip. That person
said they were going to go ahead and write in a tip to the FBI.
Please look at that tip, look at that location, get some of
the rope there. Compare it to the rope under Kathy's hair, I'm going
to bet you a nice steak dinner. As Bill likes to that there is
going to be some match or some kind of overlap. I would highly encourage
that. Of course, I'm not an FBI agent, that's not my job.
Please go check it out last one for the moment. We will definitely
continue this series of questions in another episode. Did Alan Wade Wilmer Senior have
any ties to the Hunt Club where the phelps lower remains were found? I
would say none that we're aware of yet. Now there's a couple of interesting
things that have come up. First of all, Alan Wade Wilmer Senior was
a guy who had no respect for the rules, as you might figure with
a serial killer, so he would often hunt in the off season and just
completely blow off whatever the requirements were. So it's quite possible that he might
have hunted at that Hunt Club illegally, or he may have attended the Hunt
Club as a guest as well. Let's not forget that Interstate sixty four is
one of the ways and a pretty direct route from Lancaster County, where he
is based out of, down to the Tidewater area of Virginia. So the
idea that he would be going down Interstate sixty four and perhaps stopping at that
rest stop. And keep in mind, this is a guy who is always
cruising, if that's the way it's been described to us, looking for victims.
So he is looking for people that he can attack, and he's been
reported as attacking people numerous times on the Colonial Parkway, and these are people
that survived. I think there could easily be something there to maybe him encountering
Anna, Maria Phelps, and Daniel Lower, perhaps at the Virginia Interstate sixty
four rest stop that many people know now as the rest stop with the big
love sign. I don't want to skip too quickly over what you were just
saying, because one of the things that we're finding happening here is that we
have people who are coming to us with information, but they don't necessarily feel
comfort. People go into law enforcement with it, which I can understand.
And we have had a number of people who have reached out to us who
have said I was on the Colonial Parkway and this truck pulled me over,
tried to pull me over, crept up on me in a half moon pull
off. Bill has dealt with all of these people taking their information. There
are a lot of people that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior was approaching on the Colonial
Parkway, and many people who have merely escaped this guy. So when we
talk about people that he attacked and survived, this is new information to us.
We hope that the FBI will run with that information and do what they
need to do to try to track these people down. But it is very
interesting that over the course of the less set of weeks since January eighth,
we are learning so much from so many people who had experiences on the parkway
that really fit Alan Wade Wilmer Senior to a t. And we do encourage
anyone if you have had an experience on the parkway and you have not gone
forward to law enforcement with that information, please make use of the tip line,
make use of the phone number, make use of the email. Please
reach out to law enforcement. We need as much information as possible about Ellen
Wade Wilmer Senior and his movements up and down the Colonial Parkway. So if
that is something that happened to you at any point during the eighties on the
Colonial Parkway, please do reach out to law enforcement and let them know we
appreciate you reaching out to us, but we are not investigators, and we
have more information coming at us than we can reasonably handle right now. So
if that is an experience that you've had, please we encourage you to take
that to law enforcement and make use of those tip lines and tip pages that
we will post on our show notes. Anyone who may have known Wilmer is
encouraged to contact the FBI by calling one eight hundred call FBI or submitting a
tip online at tips tips at FBI dot gov. Those of the information can
also reach out to the Virginia State Police by email at Questions at vsp dot
Virginia dot gov. Please, if you have any information regarding Alan Wade Wilmer
Senior his activities in the particularly in the eighties, nineties, and two thousands,
please reach out to law enforcement. We have many more questions to come
in this Ask Us Anything episode, So we are wrapping here, but we
will continue in another episode. Thank you so much to everyone who has continued
to listen to our coverage of the Colonial Parkway murders and Alan Wade Wilmer Senior.
We will continue to cover this story as it unfolds. That's going to
do it for this episode of mind Never Murder. Thank you so much for
listening. We'll see you next time. Mind Over Murder is a production of
Absolute Zero and Another Dog Productions. Our executive producers are Bill Thomas and Kristin
Dilley. Our logo art is by Pamela Arnois. Our theme music is by
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