This episode of the Paranormal Peep Show is a tribute episode to Mark Hartshorn,
who joined us in September twenty two along with his sister Jane, discussing spirits
from another world and the New World Order. Unfortunately, we were sadden to
learn that Mark had passed away in June, and so we're re uploading this
particular edition of our show in memory of Mark and condolences to his family and
his sister and friends. That's Mark Hartshawan on the Paranormal Peep Show back in
twenty twenty two. Hi, welcome to the Parallel Peep Show with myself,
Neil Gettisward and Andy Chaplin. How are you Andy? Yeah, not too
bad. Coming up to my hyper season Halloween soon, favorite time of year,
and I'm just like a pumpkin today. Yeah, it's going to get
mannick very soon. Oh, we're getting to that time the year, the
months of rushing path before we carry on that ile introduced. Monica here is
joining My partner in crime is joining us the scene. She may disappear at
any time, so suddenly she banishes, She vanishes that she may want to
ask our guests some important questions because she doesn't know them a little bit,
so I said, come along and sit in and see if she has any
important questions. But I think the first topic of discussion initially is the Queen
past. I was in the Orkney Islands visit and my daughter, as it
happened when the news broke, and my plan was and it still happened that
way, that I was going down after Orkney to Edinburgh to visit my son
who lives in Edinburgh. So as the Queen was going to get taken the
Lake, Queen was going to get taken down to Edinburgh, I said to
my son, let's go and see this. So I said, I wouldn't
normally see the Queen, you know, when she was around, but this
seems to be historical. Let's go and see her. And so we went
to the Royal Mile and we was tuning in by her live feeds and that
about where she was. And then we saw helicopters, so we knew she
was close. And then I saw everyone put up their phone cameras so I
could see on their phone cameras and blue and flaging lives which indicated police.
I thought, right, she's close by, although physically didn't see her.
So I started filming in my camera and then got about five or six seconds
of her going passing the coffin. Then I thought I saw Princess Anne,
and possibly the guy that's really popular at the moment, which was a man
used to be known as Prince but it is called Andrew that and the man
the man that shouted out Prince Andrew or whatever, sad or man. He
wasn't in our crow. Yeah, he wasn't in that crowd. I mean,
I would have loved to have said it, but I didn't think of
it at the time. So what's your take in it all? I mean,
how do you think that's gone? I mean, how do you think
the nation's responded, or what do you think from us kind of I don't
know. I'm not a royalist, but what do you think? So here's
there is my point of view. I'm fairly indifferent about it. I would
prefer a republic personally, but I would not want, for instance, a
rushing leather or French revolution. I do not agree with off with their heads
kind of thing. I mean, what happened then after the Russian Revolution was
communism, which was just a blood bath for what did it? Seventy eight
seventy years, eighty years, there's no successful communist country that will. Are
we allowed to swear? I don't know. Well, let's just cesspits is
a right way according communist country, So we don't want that. French Revolution
as well, guillotines got so bloody that the blade wouldn't go down, so
you know, it's just a chop chop, chop chop, And all that
happened was one lot of you know, aristocratic people got replaced by a load
of other Champagne socialists who just kind of chopped everyone's heads off and turned it
into a blood bath as well there as well. So I don't want that.
But what I do want eventually and only really if the people want it.
I think it's really down to the people's choice. I would like a
republic personally, because I believe in democracy and I don't believe there should be
any head of state or ruling party purely by DNA bloodline. But if the
people really want the monarchy, then fine, go ahead. So I'm not
I'm not really kind of staunch, and I say I'm kind of like indifferent.
I didn't know I didn't know the queen personally, so I can't really
feel that sad that she's gone. I can understand if people are very kind
of like you, patriotic, wave of the flag and love the royal family,
then go for it. A lot of people kind of like on the
on the news and when interviewed they always say, oh, the queen.
It felt like the Queen was a part of my life. The queen was
part of my life. Okay, when was the last time you went around
for dinner? When is the last time you had an invite? When you
see those posh banquets of everyone being kind of served on by servants and all
this lavish food, if you were to ask can I be a part of
that? You would be refused. So, no, you're not really a
part of the Queen's life. You think you are in a way that some
people think that they're part of the lives of east Enders or Coronation Street.
You're not. You're just watching it on TV. So that's kind of my
view. But I, personally, Neil, this is how I kind of
view. I separate the person from the position. So I have personally don't
have anything against Elizabeth Windsor, and I'm certainly not rejoicing in her death.
I don't you know, yippie, you know fantastic. I don't have that
point of view, but neither am I particularly mournful because I didn't know her
personally. What I wouldn't go along with I don't know. If you saw
the Celtic or the Celtic football fan clip, there were fans actually shouting and
chanting, clap your hands. If you hate the royal family and that was
going on, I would I would not support that. There there are certain
certain people in this world that I would gladly clap my hands for if they
died. The Queen's not one of them. Klaus Schwab, I can't wait
till that guy pops his close. You would be talking about him in Anthony
Fauci, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Who have I missed out? All
of the New World Order psychopaths. I can't wait till they pop their clog.
That's when I'll celebrate. That's when I go get a creative beer.
Do you go along with the David I theory that the queen was a reptilian?
Interesting? Okay, So in terms of an actual shape shifting reptilian,
the answer is, I don't know. I suspect, possibly not. What
I would say is this is that in terms of judging how Elizabeth Windsor was
herself and the wills her actually are as people or reptilians, but as certainly
as humans as we know them. A lot of reports I've heard is that
the Queen is actually a very nice lady and she actually treated people quite well.
There's a lot of people that were interviewed in terms of having met the
Queen and speaking with her, and she was always very gracious. And she
also she also told off Meghan because when Meghan married Harry and went into the
Wall family right at the very beginning, Meghan was actually quite rude to some
of the staff and probably did treat them as you know, jeeves, come
and bring me this, Jeeves, come and bring me that. The Queen
actually told meghanov for doing that, and I told her we don't. We
don't treat our staff like that. So from a human point of view,
I think the Queen probably was a nice lady. But who knows what goes
on behind closed doors and that kind of I mean, I've I've heard stories
or not stories, incidents where people allege that there's kind of like human hunting
parties where royals go ahut on kind of like horseback and they're kind of like
it's kind of a Hunger Games type thing where they're hunting actually humans. I
don't know. I suspect that's probably not the case, but who knows.
There's there's also an alleged thing, I will say alleged where apparently the royals
took over a load of orphans over to Canada. Have you heard this one,
Neil? This was a load of Native American kids in Canada back in
the sixties or anything. Then they all kind of like went missing, I
don't know, don't know, or something picnic and hanging rock kind of idea.
But yeah, Canada, Yeah, I don't know, don't know on
that one. What I will say, Neil, and what is really blatantly
obvious is that every single royal family in the world has either a reptile or
a dragon or some kind of Reillian symbolism. So City of London you got
the dragon. You go to the Chinese courts you got before communism, you've
got the kind of the Chinese dragons. You go to South Africa, you've
got the Zulus and the Chitahura. You go over to the Aztecs and you've
got the snake gods. You go over to Australian. I didn't know this
too recently. The Aboriginists talk about the snake gods as well. Every single
continent, every single royal family claims and they all claim this. They claim
a DNA link to the gods that proclaimed them fit to rule the earth.
They all claim lineage. This is where the DNA lineage things. This is
why families kind of like keep it in the family kind of thing, and
why they call blue butt bloods is because it's not so much iron in the
blood, it's copper apparently, so it goes. So was the Queen a
reptilian? I suspect not? Was there reptilian symbolism in royal families and perhaps
rituals that do somehow connect with reptiles? Who knows? I suspect possibly so.
I don't know how you thought about the royal wedding, And if you
saw it, it was one huge Masonic free Masonic style ceremony. You've got
the breaking of the rods, you've got the orbs, and you've got the
crown. The crown is actually separate from the queen so the crown and the
orb and the sceptor were removed from the coffin and placed on the altar by
the Dean of Winds I think it was, which was symbolic of the crown
no longer being with the queen. And then you've got the whole thing of
now King Charles with his cloth and the symbol and some of this was being
explained as it was happening, and he draped his cloth over the queen's coffin
to kind of symbolize. I think they said, you know, the location
of the monarch or the ex monarch. All it's hugely symbolic. And you've
got the when the queen was lying in state, you've got the the three
bangs of the sword for the changing of the guard and the change. It
just looked like one huge Masonic ceremony. And I'm not necessarily saying that's a
bad thing, like I'm not completely anti uh, you know, rituals and
symbolism. I'm just saying that it all very much ties into what looks like
a Masonic ceremony. And this is where we go into things of what are
they really either worshiping or trying to communicate with or trying to link with and
from my understanding, it goes back to ancient Egypt, the whole Masonic things,
all that, the checkered floors, the two towers, that's a whole
different story. We just had nine to eleven remembered thing recently, and essentially
it all goes back to Egypt's and I think Prince Charles or at the time
Prince Charles said that the royal family lineage could be traced to have had the
impaler of the original Dracula. But I think the symbolism and the rituals of
it actually go back to ancient Egypt and possibly even before that. So yeah,
that's now well digging. Then. I thought it was interesting actually the
commentator, as Uneral said and this point, whoever it was doing the service,
will commend the soul of the queen to All Mighty God or something like
that. Thinking that's interesting that the actually saying on BBC or Sky I think
Sky was taking a feed from the BBC anyway, Yeah, and the commentator
was referring to the queen as having a soul going to heaven or something that
thing, which I thought was interesting on mainstream TV talking about someone having a
soul and going to heaven or some spiritual realm, and they're actually saying in
an official capacity and basically underlining that to the head of the state, the
Queen. Yeah, very interesting, but then again I suppose you have got
things like songs of praise and technically the queen was the head of the Church
of England, so yeah, and it was in the church, yeah,
you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all very very interesting now
talking to people going to heaven and dying and then will we never come back
in a psychic breeding maybe be interesting. She did, but I doubt very
much many people believe her. But we might as well head over to our
guests this evening because we're going to be talking about the very discussion souls going
to heaven and maybe coming back and returning in part of their wisdom of what
it's like over there. So these people I saw them demonstrate in the summer,
but we know no one of them quite well now, Jane, So
I'll bring in Jane and Mark Hartshaw. Are you there, guys, we
are how are you? Oh? Welcome, welcome, this is and this
is and of course you know us a bit anyway, So there's plans of
football Jane. Anyway, she's been seen us in secret things in the future,
but we won't talk about that. We were just talking before we started
recording, Jane, about how we met you, and you'd actually forgotten.
I have that to me. Yeah, so I'll just remind the listeners.
Or how we met is for Monica and I had been was it just us
on our own back or did we go with someone else? Yeah? I
know it was just us too. We'd seen the amazing Psychic Sally at the
Yeah, and they had a camera guy on the stage. So if you've
got a reading from Psychic Sally, the camera guy would zoom in on you
and your face would appear on the big screen for everybody to see. And
I can't remember something the Psychic Sally said about something about smelly socks blah blah
blah on a radiator, and I thought, well, that's got to apply
to me, you know. I put my hand out and said, yeah,
I can take this money socks so no one else will have it.
So anyway, she started giving me this reading, and then she said something
to Monica about saying, you're going to get how many thousands about one grand?
Were still wait for that still the lottery. Yeah, so we started
where we thought, okay, not sure about that one, so we thought
we'd put it to one sign and then at the end of the evening we'll
filed out into the reception area and we came face to face with a lady
meeting that we knew, Janine, and Loan be told that Jane was with
it, and that's the first time we met Jane, and so of course
we started seeing and she says, oh, I saw your face on the
screen, and Jane, you said that as soon as you saw my face
on the screen. You said, my Welsh grandfather had come through to you
and said something to you about Neil carry on the artwork or something like that,
and that's what I remember. You say it brilliant, and I was
kind of gobsmacked because I'm thinking, my god, I do have a Welsh
grandfather, and how do you know that I did? Ar So your message
was absolutely bang on and one hundred percent better than Psychic Sally. I'd say
that, I'd say that, yeah, well done. I'll be honest,
Neil, I haven't heard and you know I'm in this game myself. I
haven't heard fantastic things about Sally. I know we can have on and off
field field periods. I've done evenings where I've been absolutely on fire, and
I've done evenings well I've been absolutely nosed. So but yeah, I haven't
heard fantastic things of s. That's just that. So so just to let
you guys are Andy is a medium himself. And how Andy and I met
was a number of years ago. We actually met in a psychic workshop.
I think we were like one of the only two guys there, weren't we
that we did Bichael Cad. We started to do funny voices to each other,
well the old words of voices and She's got her Bessie up and Shaggy
from Scooby Doo. Yeah, all that kind of stuff because we kind of
got bored. But our psychic powers weren't working very well that day, so
we just started to doing voices to each other instead making each other up.
So that's where our background is in that a little bit. So So you
guys, though you're both brother and Mark, if I can start with you,
because I understood that you persuaded Jane to take up this kind of field
as well. So how did you get started off? Mark? And this
whole psychic thing, but it was a bit. We started together after Jane
had a baby that was born prematurely, so we he and fortunately died.
So we both went along to a medium, like a theater medium, not
sally somebody Elm and were quite mpressed didn't get a message, and then it
kind of helped us to want to pursue that. So we went to a
spiritualist church in Painton, and that was kind of the beginning of it really,
So we kind of trained together initially, and then Jane kind of decided
to go a different way, didn't you. And I used to say that
you can run, but you can't hide, because I knew she'd always come
back to it. So we kind of started off together. Jane went off
down a different pilthway. I carried on with it, and then of course
Jane came back onto the kind of mediumship path a bit later on. I
kind of teased her, really I didn't. I don't know if I encouraged
her back. I've kind of teased her that she would, you know,
not be able to run away from him forever. So I was right.
So Jane, what I mean was, you couldn't you weren't convinced with the
medium, the very first medium, but something carried on. You felt that
you were Did you believe it that? I really did believe I'd seen spirits
since I was a little girl. I just didn't know why on earth I
could do it or who did I think I was to do it. So
it was very much a case of and you know, to be honest,
if you're on you're twenty, you don't wanted to well, I didn't want
to declare to the world I could see dead people. I wanted to go
and be a hairdresser and do normal things. So it wasn't that I wasn't
impressed. It was just I think at that point I didn't have any self
confidence and it was just who am I? Why would spirit well have worked
with me? I think that was more the point. So when you said
you saw spirits, that was when you were a child, Yes, always
have done. Did you both see spirits as children? Yeah? And did
you see the same spirit and confirm each other we're both seeing the same spirit
in the room or something. Yeah, we've done that before. Yeah.
Do you remember that guy Mark there was It looked like a Captain Stoo at
the bottom of the stairs Embankment Road in Plymouth and we say you see that
guy and markets say yes, And I think that really helped us to realize
we weren't mental and it was like a full fall and full solid yes,
yes, yes did he was? He? What's the word do you acknowledge?
You? No? No, it's think about playback spirits and kind of
like interactive conscious spirits. So he was more like a playback you got it?
Yeah, he's definitely, definitely And he was a captain, So you
look like a captain to me, you know, imagine captain bird's eye.
That's what he looked like. So fishy going, but it's very clear and
then so it's very naively, isn't it clever? Yah? Perhaps he lived
there in the house that you were at. Maybe how old does the house
work? Roughly it's Victorian big Yeah, definitely sounds like it was the old
gent of the house or something like a. Yeah, this wasn't your first
encounter together. There was that. It started long before that. So how
did it all start? I mean, what was the first thing? Look
kind of like it must have kind of disturbed you a little bit when you
started to see things Initially not knowing what it was the first time was terrifying,
and that, you know, our introduction to We lived in the house
in Pove in Sussex, and it was a very strange house, wasn't it.
There was all kinds of strange things going on in there. I mean.
The very first ever spiritual thing that happened to me, I think was
a radio. You know, in the eighties, radios had like big knobs,
didn't they. You know, you had to really turn it to turn
it on, didn't It wasn't It wasn't like a remote controller ay thing.
And I remember sitting there and the radio turned itself off, but by the
knob turning, Wow that I mean, well, I was probably about twelve
thirteen then, I guess, and I was absolutely terrified, you know,
to see this not turn itself off nobody in the room. That was really
scary. And my mum came back from taking one of the kids to place
care I think it was, and I said this thing had happened, and
then she told me she too had had stuff, seen stuff and experienced stuff.
And then I think we told you, Jane, didn't we And then
we all started sharing our stories of seeing you know, that I always remember
there was the white the girl in white, remember the ye come down the
stairs and down the hall, and so yeah, we were all sharing these
same stories that we hadn't shared with each other until that day. And so
if I was about twelve thirteen, you'd go about ten eleven, wouldn't you
see? Very very young really, But but it was terrifying. You know,
at that point, we didn't know what medians were, really, we
didn't know we were mediums. It was really scary. What was your what
was your percentage of, for instance, negative encounters, because I'm well aware
that that happens versus either neutral or positive account encounters because they also happened.
Of course, they don't do maps. I say, I've had maybe ten
negative usually trying to infiltrate my dreamscape, and probably about ninety percent positive.
I would say, but I don't know what you what you guys feel,
I'd say the reverse for me, because it was really scary. So here,
you know, just every encountered for me was terrifying. Looking looking back
on it, though, Mark, was it more the case that the encounters
were scary rather than the actual see enters on than the people? Yeah,
yeah, okay, Yeah, I don't think it was helps. Our mum
is a bit strange, isn't quite strange? Yeah, so I don't think
it helped that she thought the best way to deal with this would be to
do weigi boards, and so there we were like literally children having Oigi boards
with mother. Oh, do get in touch with the spirits, and the
messages that came through were really quite alarming, just for any listeners at this
point, we really don't advise doing that. Just don't. Just don't.
I've done a few in the past. I'm not personal kind of not convinced
whether they're real, whether they're psychological, but even if they are psychological,
they are quite negative or as you say, the messages could be quite negative.
We would really not advise doing that. Definitely not different from our experience.
We'll kind of tend to think that if if you do a wigi board,
like if you do healing or anything else, that you give yourself a
form of protection, you know, and you know you ask spirit to help
you and those to close in and protect you and whatever, and if you're
doing the Ouiji board, surely you would do the same thing. Mmm.
I suppose it depends on who is doing it. You wouldn't just leave your
front door wide open and say yeah, anyone can walk in. Yeah,
we've had some very interesting experience. Is very very accurate, and nothing negative
came through. And this is other people who won't mention names. But I
mean, for instance, I may have mentioned this a few times that my
mum came through very clearly. Absolutely everything was spot on. She would even
interrupt what you were saying or doing just to say other things like, oh,
I like her boyfriend, and she was referring to my daughter's boyfriend.
She just said it off the cup without being asked. And I said,
okay, you like their boyfriend. I said, what did you call Morgan's
boyfriend? Morgan my daughter's boyfriend said because you got his name wrong, and
she said Stuart. And she had actually first time she met my daughter's boyfriend,
she goes, hello, Stuart, so lovely to meet you. Yeah.
I briefed her only the day before that his name was Chris, and
Chris was going to come around and meet you. She still says, hello,
Stuart, lovely to meet you. And yet she said Stuart, and
she she kind of laughs. She says what she spelled out, which you
know, typical, and I said what was his real name? And she
said Chris, and so absolutely her to a tea. So there was a
there's an organization. I only heard this very recently and I can't think exactly
what they're called, but I heard it on another podcast. They were talking
about this very subject and they said there's an organization in America that is like
the Ouiji Board Association or something like that, and there's particularly as a president
of it. And I understood that she's to have said that it's largely upon
your intent. Yeah, yeah, I would, yeah, yeah, so
I'd like to find out more about that because maybe you find out exactly where
we're coming from on that. But that's that's what I heard. I think
the difference, Neil is you you actually tested the identity of the person coming
through your mum, so you know you knew to do that, but it
would be you can imagine someone saying who are you and he just says,
I'm your grandmother and they accept that, Yeah, without a testing. I
mean, anybody could say they're the grandmother, couldn't they. But the difference
there is you you were asking questions to kind of, you know, make
sure the person coming through was who they were claiming to be. Yeah,
I think it is very much down to intention. So for instance, possibly
the reason why most wigi board encounters are negative, or possibly because they kind
of like the typical you know, slumber party, sleepover party, bunch of
kistian that let's have a laugh, you know, let's foul creak each other
out, and you know, bring out the regiboard and you know, because
you want to screw around with the supernatural. Well the supernatural then screws around
with you. But as as you know, Neil, you had a completely
different intention, which is a kind of like exploratory and spiritual intention. And
yeah, that works out well. And no, and I think I'm right
in say this. You know, the High Elms team and all that they
run the UFO Academy, I believe they said that they did a regi board
session, but they did it with the intention of of you know, spiritual
enlightenment and stuff. And what came through from the spirits is that they said
that us humans we live in a reality almost like a goldfish bowl, and
that from the spirit world and the spirit realms, they kind of view Earth
and human consciousness almost like we can see the fish in the goldfish bowl,
and the fish only knows the goldfish bowl, and it doesn't know what's outside
of the goldfish bowl, which is alluded to, which I thought was very
interesting and actually I think very true as well, that we have a very
limited view of what we would call reality around us. Well, if you
think fish only have a memory of five seconds, they say, so if
we have. If fish have a memory of five seconds, you could run
that analogy along a bit further than talk about our previous lives. That we
don't remember our privos lives when in fish realms is five seconds or something,
And so we don't think of ourselves as as as bigger objects in his ship.
Yeah, it's only when someone taps on our fish bowl or takes us
out the fish bowl. Even then we kind of understand that there's actually a
much much bigger sea, different fish, different creatures, and all sorts of
things going on there. And yeah, because you know, you tend to
look back at yourself, if you were a fish, you tend to look
back. And he's got a black tiny you know, we know what you
were in a previous life. The Unwitting Star. What's the name then,
Jesse, Yes, see like from post about I suppose yeah, yeah,
so yeah, so these spirits that you were seeing in your out so did
they present any kind of feeling of danger to you or they were just literally
people passing through. It was terrifying. It was terrified. It was a
furll on haunting, full on haunting. I remember lying in bed as I
would have been ten eleven, and suddenly we had bay windows. The whole
windows blew open all at once. It was scary stuff. It was designed
to scare us. Tweets with where was this and when was this? This
was at the same house in Hove in the middle of the night, or
the windows just blow open, the curtains come in. The previous people have
reported it had been haunted for years. It was built on lay lines.
I remember hearing a baby screaming from under the stairs. There was nothing there.
It was. It was horrendous, wasn't it. Mark. I've never
experienced anything like it, you know, in all the years since I became
a medium and kind of help people with haunted houses, I've never experienced anything
like what we had in that house. Now from me, did it suddenly
appear or how what happened? What kicked it off. I think it's when
they started redecorating the place. Yeah, it was house when Yeah, for
a long time before we moved into it hadn't it And yeah, it was
kind of quite old fashioned, you know, kind of like nineteen thirty sporty
star decoration. Yeah, and of course they're wanting to modernize it, and
I don't think they were happy with that. No. It's interesting because you
have you heard about this, Neil. I've heard this a lot where things
are kind of ok until kind of decorations and things it moved arout and then
disturbing. What's that stuff? The stuff you're not meant to go out of
houses gets in your lungs. Yeah, the as beest dost be, because
if you start cutting it up, it becomes more of a problem. Yeah,
It's almost like as if if you left the house as it was,
it probably wouldn't be a problem that. The fact is some reason the decorating
process has stirred it up and woken up people in some sense. Yeah,
did you see what was doing it? Did it show itself in various forms
at different times? There wasn't it Mark, We could see you could literally
sit in there in the living room on the sofa and you see black shadows
walking across the room. You'd hear bang bang across the ceiling. I've visited
many haunted houses in my career. I've never never seen nothing. You'd see.
I got grounded because this girl who looked like me in a white night
Jess, she skip coming downstairs. So my mum would come up the shout
at me, get in bed. I had got out of bed. I'd
see my mother passed my door in my mother's form, and I'd call her
and it wasn't her. Whatever was going on, it wasn't for the good?
Was it? That didn't feel like it? And what was interesting was
the we called in mediums. The you got to understand, mum is is
unusual. I think it's the like work psychopath, a bit of a psychopath.
Okay. Do you think it might be her energy? Yes, a
pure and I think ours as well. You know, we were kind of
coming up to teenage years, and I've often seen this when people become teenagers,
they kind of add so much psychic energy, and that psycho energy I
think was used to do some of the stuff. You know, so was
it was it a dodgy spirit doing it or was it the energy that was
kind of you know, moving things or making noises in the house. I
don't know, but my mum decided to put a kind of request for help
in the local paper, as you do, and so various mediums came and
nobody really sold it. Did they know? We had the vicars in doing
the whole JOI water stuff didn't really make any difference. And in the end,
I mean, I don't quite know where this medium was coming from,
but they said, the mediums that the best you can do is move as
far away from here responsible, honestly. So, so they moved from Sussex
to Wales. Wow, okay midnight for some reason. Midnight. Yeah.
What was interesting was the people who bought the house had kind of moved out
six weeks later, oh, crikeer. So yeah, it's quite strange the
spirit deal with you then, and they stayed with the house. Yes,
yes, so lake you crossed the road said to the young couple who brought
it, oh, we saw your young girl at the window this morning.
But they had no children, oh crik So they quickly moved out after that.
What was the last year that you had any contact with the house?
Roughly eighty four eighty five. I was going to ask, have you been
back? Yes, we did. We went back years ago as adults claim
our power back. We didn't know. Okay, did you get any feeling
from it or anything like that? When you went back? I just felt
it if we were in control this time. And the house just looked tiny
and small and nononymous anymore. It didn't look scary anymore, but it was.
Yeah, it was the most terrifying places of a child. But as
a woman, I stood there and I just thought, gosh, you know,
we were I think we were the powerhouse behind that. It's like an
ordinary house in an ordinary street, didn't it when we're adults. But yes,
children, it certainly wasn't that. But of course without that, we
wouldn't have gone into doing what we're doing. That was yeah, yeah,
yeah, maybe that kick started it. I mean the infield Polter Guys was
very much like that. Yes, yes, yes, something like nine five
six Green Street I think it was. That was just a very kind of
like ordinary kind of terrace house. It's now it's now got some kind of
Jesus Church thing to own it, because there's lots of Jesus loves you signs
and rainbows and things in that. Oh wow, okay, so yeah that
came I think that came out of weedy board juice or one of the girls
went to like a church and laid on a grave or something like that,
and that kind of thinks off a little bit. So it does seem it
seems like there's like some kind of adolescent springboard that the mat there is what
the strangers. We moved all these hundreds of miles away to West Wales and
moved into this old blacksmith's cottage. I mean it was about two hundred years
old and are for all the reasons it did become scarier. But this this
cottage had a barn next to it that the blacksmiths used to do the blacksmiths,
you know, stuff in and went in there and it's literally as soon
as we moved in and there was this little old blacksmith stood in the corner.
So I've gone all that way to escape spooks, and there was a
lot. I'm going to say, if I was if I was fleeing a
house because of a haunting, the very last place I'd go to is a
two hundred year old black building. To understood it bringing all over it hasn't
it really don't come in it got worse. So what sort of things happened
at this other place that really not not a spiritual nature? Oh okay,
okay, I think it's got worse because we had a very kind of problematic
childhood, would and stuff. So it got scary for that reason, not
because of spiritual right, What was What was the road in Hove? Because
I absolutely loved Brighton and Hove and I go there quite a lot, and
I want to check it out. Check it out, number three Elm Drive,
number three Elm Drive. Loads of people now there. Now I have
googled it and there's nothing. There's no no stories or reports or anything.
There isn't a book. There isn't there. I think it's called something supernatural
and Brighten and Hope because you remember that guy the store. There is one
story. Yeah, it's in there and fantastic. They called it the Stopford
Family Stop four D And that's our story in one of them books. Yeah,
and he's just showing some paranorl wow, focusing on Brian and Hope.
For those that are listening on audio, that's well, we can't definitely And
one of them. I could also highly recommend the Brighton Ghost Walk. Anyone
listening on the south coast of England or any kind of people flying in from
America who might be visiting Brighton have a Google for the Brighton Ghost Walks.
They're fascinating. There's a lot of crazy things going on. If anyone does
know of number three Elm Drive in Hove, or knows the owners or knows
the area, do let us know. Do message the show amazing because we're
tough to know and add it to our little paranorl Pacha nightmare on Elm stream.
Yeah. So I was wondering whether that you said it all started off
when it started to be redecorated as if the original owners, because presumably their
point of view is that they still own the house and what are you doing
to their property and they getting a bit peed off with it because you're papering
over their paper, their house, your intruders, that kind of thing,
and that kind of seems to be that sort of thing that it's for some
reason they're earth bound, they haven't gone on to the spirit world. I
mean, what were your thoughts on that they're still trapped there or something they
choose to stay. I don't think everyone gets trapped. I think it's a
conscious choice on when we are, our choice when we pass. If you
think about it, imagine like somebody's really obsessed with money on us and they
can't bear to leave their wealth behind, so they'll choose to stay. But
everybody's given the option to go home. As I call it, I think
some people are just say bloody minded, they'd rather stay, And maybe they
didn't believe in heaven. Maybe they were, you know, of a faith
that really thought they would going to hell. Why would you make that journey
if that's your outcome. Yeah, I've said that in Ordered Hazare people are
too scared to go on because they fear judge, and you know, they
don't want to leave birth because they're going to face the wrath of God.
And you know, if they think they've done something wrong, they could go
to Hell, so they just stay where they are. Wow. Loads of
times I've said that. It shows a kind of an effect that religion can
have on people. How can limit people's perceptions like the fishbolt perception we talked
about earlier. Yeah, it's almost too controlling, and yet that's exactly what
it is. Isn't it's a control measure. Imply some religious might be more
liberating and sort of saying no, there are many heavens, and you know,
they might explain about like spiritualis I'm not sort of saying spiritually is totally
right, but it kind of gives you a bit of a broader perspective on
things about maybe, oh it's not quite as the Bible says, maybe there
is an afterlife or something like that. So as you grew up and you
became more mediumistic, how did you hone your skills? Was there a specific
method? Did you go to a medium for training or a site, a
development school or something? As I said earlier through the spiritualist judge. So
we went to didn't we Painting and Nuke Nabat, both in Devon, and
we really did. I think we came on really well there, didn't we,
because we had a lot of time and attention given to us. I
think that especially New Nabat, the people there could really see that we had
some potential. So they kind of really kind of nurtured that, didn't they,
you know exactly sad wasn't it? Yeah, in a circle and kind
of just started doing it there really and then you practice by giving me a
messages to each other in the circle, and you know that all went really
well, didn't it. And we just found it really easy, didn't we,
whereas other people were taking months and months and months we get anything.
We were we were just going bang bang bang, and people responding to us,
and it was like, what, yeah, very how easy it was?
Could believe it was? That was my experience as well. Yeah,
I see the circle and there'd be some people getting I'm getting red red every
week for six months, and I was getting like I'm getting Yeah, that's
it, that's it. I always remember, because I mean I was told
by various mediums at like the College of Psychic Studies or the Spirituals Association to
Great Britain. I've got up there in my early years ten years and they
all kept saying to me, by the way your psychic, and I kept
thinking, but I don't see ghosts of what's going on here. I couldn't
understand it. So I started to go to this Spiritualist Association in Uxbridge and
they did announce that they did have a developing circle, you know, not
going after that started there, really they said they've got a developing circle and
if anyone wants to partake in it, bease come up and reads your interest.
So I went to the guy on the counter and I said, please,
can I come to your psychic circle? So they wrote me named down,
said, oh, it's Thursday evening, eight o'clock is the address,
blah blah blah. So I started to go and after about maybe three weeks
there. One of the exercises was concentrate upon the person sitting opposite you in
the circle, try and meditate them, see if you can get any information
about it. Okay, And I remember almost going into almost a slumber sleep
because I'm not very good at meditating. I think I'm almost drifting off to
sleep. Remember, this is the first thing that kind of really convinced me
that, my God, something's going on here. I remember distinctly lighting a
dream. You hear someone talk to you. I remember hearing voice talk to
me inside, not externally the room, but inside my head. And it
was a Cockney accent of like almost like a cabby driver at the East End
of London type of accent. And it's because I was concentrating on this guy
called Eric sitting opposite me, and the voice said, Tony, he's got
something wrong with his water work. And I remember going, what's going on
here? Oh my god? And so I kind of woke up out my
slumber and thought, Laddy, hell, what was that all about? So
I thought, how do I say this to this guy that he's got something
wrong with his water in front of all these other ladies that are there,
You know what, They're going to choke on their cucumber sandwiches or something.
And so I thought, I've heard of mediums wrapping up messages. So I
thought I'm gonna have to wrap this message up. And I said to him,
Oh, I've got this message, and I kind of blum my way
through saying I think you're seeing a doctor about a medical issue. And he
goes, oh, yes, yes, that's quite right, that's right right.
I mean that kuld of applied to many people. I understand that looking
back on it, but I really, you know, young age, I
didn't really understand that frame it. But I remember then talking to a friend
of mine, like maybe the next day, on the phone who was much
older than me, and he said, oh, he's probably got prostate trouble.
And I said, what do you mean, what's that and he explained
the prostrate is what men have and when they get older, it makes them
go to the loose sometimes because they get older. And I said, god,
I didn't know that. So, you know, having trouble with your
war works was quite applicable in nine sight. And whoever this guy was from
the East end. I wish I'd described the voice to the guy now,
But again I didn't think of that at the time. It's just an experience.
But that taught me in the sense that yes, there is the ability
to have this psychicability. And the other thing was that I was getting it.
I was starting to pick up stuff, you know, and yet other
like you say, other people couldn't get anything for top feet, and it's
like they're just not the right people to be in the circle. You think,
it's again what kind of what we're going too the second half? But
it's it's levers of consciousness we're talking about here, isn't it. So if
your consciousness is a bit higher up the ladder, if you want to look
at it that way, it's so much easier to tap into home. Whereas
if we're still thinking am I worthy? Am I good enough? What?
Times? He centers on we're not tapping into that higher energy. So you
obviously got it. And I teach my students when we get that sat and
sod it. It's not fun. It's not for us to or I can't
use you know, the water work words say sojic. That's how we land
our messages. Yeah I did, that might have been you know. Yeah,
it's clever stuff. But we can all do it. But it depends
on what level of consciousness we're on. In my opinion, Yeah, I
wonder why some people don't get it. I mean from what you were saying,
Neal. There was when I was in my circle in Hodderston. There
was a little guy called von bless Him and it was his little chap and
I swear through all of the all of the circles that we did, which
was quite a lot over period of whatever it was how long he was there
he was there for I think he was there about a year or so.
He didn't get anything ever, And he would sit there and even like some
of the little old ladies bless him who you know, they'd get something,
they'd get a flower or the yeah dog, and we'd ask a little on
we'd say what did you get? Nothing? Nothing. You must have got
a color. No, I didn't get a color, you know. You
must have got a word an animal? No, No, probably George.
Here. We sat in a circle once with this guy. He's the old
guy that used to chase your friend. Oh yeah, and he's a really
old retired guy. I don't know. He was quite keen on Monica's friend
and he used to sort of try and walk her home and stuff and the
stalker. Yeah. But but I remember being in the circle with him once
and he said, so why are we doing this? Se I'm thinking,
what do you mean? You keep coming a circle and you're asking me,
now, why are you doing it? I said, well, to try
and develop mediumship. He says, but why why do we want to do
that? And I thought, oh, you're just definitely here for the women,
aren't you. I remember I did a demonstration leadioship in Dorchester one night
and it got really well. I'm finishing up and going out in this blake
stop and he says, what was she doing? What was she doing?
A noble where he was or what was doing? His wife made him and
he's just like, I don't know what he's talking to. They've got none
of it. And you thought, why would you go to something you don't
know what you go into? It's God help us? But yeah, funny
folk at it. So talking about when people come back to you, you
know, and and there's obviously people that have not got a clue about this
kind of thing. I remember reading in I think it was a book by
Leslie Flint, or about Leslie Flint, who was the trance medium that had
direct voice. And the book I read where people come back through this kind
of ectoplasmic voice box in the room. You actually hear them any one.
You didn't have to be a psychic, you would just hear this vibrational voice
coming through in the dark. I think the book was called Voices in the
Dark actually and done. A lot of people that came through said why wasn't
we told this? You know, they're surprised to find themselves still existing all
this side, But they said, why wasn't we told about all this?
You know? So do you get people that come through that the skeptics maybe
that sort of say, I mean, what's your experiences of people that have
found themselves to be dead and been really surprised that they still exist? But
I've had a few I had one last week. Actually, there was a
husband made it come through for his wife, and I always get a vibe
that they're a bit skeptical in you know, he's just sitting there and it's
I'm almost pulling him towards me, And that always gives me the impression that
husband might not have been a believer. But then they always say, well
I am now they can't dispute it now they're communicating with the medium. But
I always get the impression they wouldn't have done this in life. You wouldn't
have got them in front of me in a million years. But when they
get there, they can't dispute it anymore. Yeah, yeah, what about
you, Mark, Have you had similar sort of thing? Yeah, yeah,
it's exactly the same. Really that sometimes they they will say to me
something like, you know, well I would have called you a nutter.
You know I was alive. You know, it's talking to me, which
kind of then gives me the impression that yeah, they were they were skeptical
or didn't believe, and then I'll pass that on to whoever, you know,
the living person is. So it's just like, you know, they
I want them to be real with me, just as they would have been
when they were on earth. So David said, God, you're mad.
I want them to say that to do you know what I mean? Because
then I can pass that on in a really real way to the person that's
alive. But yeah, I had it loads and loads over the years.
But yeah, you can't lie, can you want you there? Yeah?
This is likely separate obviously, is what we're just talking about. With spirits
that don't move on because they're afraid of judgment or whatever. These be talking
now, aren't we about people that do know that they've died, they've passed
over, their big gobsmacked and they're coming back to say hello, and they
loved ones. So that these people know they've died, they know they're in
the buryal world. Yeah, talking of skeptics, Mark, there is a
slight irony. You look almost the absolute identical twin of Richard Wiseman, the
parapsychologist to a skeptic guy. It's actually he's close to me. He's in
the University of Hartford, Ture and Hatfield in the psychology fart and he's done
stuff. He looks he's got the same glasses. Yes, that's that we
should get one together, which is be an interesting discussion. You really how
did you two end up? Also, you grew up together. But I
mean I know that Jane's done our own demonstrations with other medians and things like
that. And then more recently, I mean, I don't know if you've
done this before, but we've only started to see you recently around this area
of Dorset working together. Is that something that's donely just started or you've been
doing this a long time, work in the circuit as it were as a
group, I mean together, we've done it about what thirty years we started
thirty years We started off working together in a very small house in painting because
we were both a bit terrified of it. So we used to charge people
five quid and we we'd work for hours and Mark would do the first after
and I'd do the second. So yeah, and then we were sort of
Then we hired tentatively a little town hall, and then we built up from
that, and then both lives get busy, so we have a few years
off, then we come back. But there's no one I'd rather work with
than me. Brother. Ye do such this easy flow and then do how
to do it and it seals us when we work together, it's easy.
The distance as well, you know, like I was selming down and James
in Dorset, so that the geography makes it difficult to do more together.
I think we would if there is Mark. Oh yeah, it's a similarity.
Yeah, thanks, But yeah, I mean because and time as well,
you know, it makes it very difficult. I mean I literally have
worked all over the world doing it. I've worked at SAGB that you were
just mentioning in the College of Psychic Studies. I've been to Japan, America
and Europe, so you know, like I was doing that on my own.
I think at that time I was waiting for Jane to stop running away
and coming back to So how did the Japanese people take spiritualism and psychic for
mediums? Uh? Well, it was a it was very interesting, but
I don't know, to be honest, what my experience was that all they
wanted to know about was what they'd done in their previous lives, because of
course in Japan it's or Buddhist that their religion is Buddhism, and u Shinto
so many Buddhists, so they weren't really that interested in what their relatives might
say more about what did they do in past life and what do they still
need to learn? They seemed to all they seem to come about is past
lives and learning. Interesting there was. It was a very strange experience that
was not speaking a word of Japanese, so so you had a Pan slate
presumably working with you would have to sort of translate what you were getting as
impressions through that. Quite a quite a feat of gymnastics, really, isn't
it. Yeah. Wow, was exhausting because all the things in English that
we use, like phrases that we use and understand, like you know,
someone is really down to a sort of the earth. You know, society
actually means nothing to All of those phrases that I would orders already use to
describe someone had to be rethought because because what's the translator going to do with
that, Like this is somebody who is salt of the earth. So everything
had to be pretty's to really plain language. So it was so knackering rewording
everything for the benefit of the translator. Yeah, getting back to the goal
of issue, could say they're very salty fish or something. Yeah, that's
more Japanese. Interesting on the Japanese front is that when they've done kind of
like a broad tests of people having near death experiences. You know, in
this country and in the West, we tend to the reports say anyway that
we will pass out of our body and go through a tonnel of light and
something like that. In Japan, for some reason, they find themselves when
they go out of their body. They don't go through a tunnel light.
They find themselves tending to a garden. Isn't that weird? They're all in
a garden digging flowers or something, you know, very very Japanese style,
which is it shows us kind of cultural perception of where you're going to go,
what's happened to you? Well, you might end up in the same
place, but it's going to be culturally structure's your idea of the way of
things. I suspect it absolutely has to be. Otherwise it's going to be
a bit free, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, that's right. It
has to be some sense of familiarity, even if it's like some sort of
illusion on your spirit, mind or whatever you want to call it. Yeah,
have you had any out of body experiences? Any of you? Jane
does, I died once and come back. That's how did that come about?
I mean, I'd had a miscarriage and they gave me a DNC,
but they'd infected me whilst on the tape as they sent me home, and
I remember going to bed that day not quite right and a lot of pain.
And my little boy, who was too was in bed with me at
the time, and I was such pain. I come up out of my
body. I looked down at myself. I could see myself very clearly,
and there was like a pull towards this light and it was intoxicating. I
wanted to go. It was peaceful. It was like, come on,
and I was going to go, and something about me said if you go,
you're going to leave Jack behind, my son, and that was enough.
I come back into my body and as I come around, they would
give me an injection and the ambulance man said, we lost you there,
Jane. So for me, if that's dying, come on, there't nothing
to worry about. It was the most peaceful, loving experience I've ever ever
ever had. It was It gave me gusto to do the work again.
It was amazing. Lots of people that have OBEs do you say that?
Yeah, yeah, they say it's very deep, come back. You don't
want to come back to this, this vibration, this heaviness, Why would
you want to come back to it? It was like, oh but Jack,
the love for my son brought me back without a doubt. Yeah.
Yeah, wow. So when you're sort of talking to these spirits, do
you, I mean, mediums tend to see things as images in the mind.
Yeah, sometimes voices. How does it work for you? Guys?
You just see all three like hear voices, see images or feelings? What's
the predominant factor that communicates that something's coming through Godbut even go first, don't
hear anything. It's it's images in the mind's eye and feelings like clear sentience
or I feel things and an image. But sometimes the image that I'm shown
may not actually be the right thing. So it could be like, you
know, I'm just showing an old fashioned car for example, So it may
not be the old fashioned car that somebody had, but it would just get
me to say old fashioned car. Yeah. So you know, the images
aren't necessarily on hundredercent accurate to the specific things. So it's more of these
images that help me to portray the message. And like a like a feeling
sometimes like I'll get a physical pain in my chest if someone with a heart
attack, or I'll get like a gut feeling if I feel this is someone's
mum or one's grandmother. So it's very much working with feelings and energies and
visions thing. I back up the visions thing and getting you to say things.
The other day I did a night in Abingdon and I saw an image
of Les Dawson and the person that was communicating wasn't Les Dawson, but it
wasn't called Les. Yeah, but it was to get me because I know
Les Dawson. Yeah, Les Dawson looks like it's to get me to say
the word lez. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. I did an
evening once in a town hall and there was a picture of the Queen on
the wall and I thought, oh, so you've got to be quite quick
brained with this, haven't you, Because everyone's looking at you. So I
knew it must be Elizabeth. And the woman I was talking to you was
called Elizabeth. The spirit will use anything and everything in our memory bank or
around us to get the message through, and I think going back to the
oh yeah, it could be the people don't get this because they're not quick
brained enough. It's got to be quick that the information comes through so quickly
to me. Sometimes it just feels like it's just passing through my mouth without
me having any input. Yeah, I think you've got to be very quick.
I remember, I think it was a Weymouth spiritually church actually, And
there was in my mind that in my mind's eye was a pick packet of
those old fashioned remember the salt and shape crisps. Yeah, you have a
little blue packet in and yeah, yeah, And I just I wasn't.
My mind couldn't get there quick enough. But why the hell you know this
person like crisps? Did they be like playing crisps? What was it?
Because it turns out that the and I think the member of the audience actually
helped me with this. I said, I do not know why this this
packet of crisps then, and they said, well, it could be because
they were called smith and it was like seeing the Smith's crisps. But I
cam down the line of the salty thing, you know what I mean?
It really complicated that one. But yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get
that quick enough. So the person he helped me out give that because Andy,
Yeah, rapping interesting one way. You was doing reading and you got
someone's cat come through. Didn't you remember the name of the cat, And
they said, can you get his name? Some ship? Wow, trains,
train everybody where? Did that come from? What was that about?
That's me, that's me. I don't remember the cat thing. I do.
I do remember a similar thing though, Neil. I was trying to
communicate. We were just for fun. We were just trying to communicate things
to each other with another spiritual friend of mine. And I saw, uh,
basically a chocolate box and I said to her, chocolates. You understand
chocolates. You said, no, that's not the object. It's nothing near
what the chocolates was. And I said, what was it? And I
actually saw, you know, Cabri's roses, the chocolates with the rose on
the front. She actually said, my object was a rose. Ah.
It's annoying and sometimes knowing. Yeah, I'll remind you Andy, because you
told me, because it's I think I've come to see you at this demo.
But then I had to leave and you told me afterwards how it had
gone. And you were given a reading to someone and you brought back their
cat and something like they'd asked, soul, what's its name? And all
you saw was a jar of marmite in your head, right, And that's
what you said, And they said, yeah, that's the name of the
cat. Marmite was the name of the cat. See I don't remember that.
Well. Yeah, I remember telling me. I was impressed. I
thought they're very good. Yeah. And again with my own development, I've
started to get quite good at picking up names. And I remember when my
daughter started going out with Stewart, who's really called Chris the boyfriend? Is
that? She I was saying, Oh, Morgan, that's the name of
all. I said. I seem to be quite good of getting names now
in spiritualist set psych except so she goes, oh, can you tell me
the name of Chris's mom be? And I thought, oh, that's put
me on the spot. So she goes, I'll give you a clue,
begins with that, and I said, no, I don't want a clue.
I said, old Mary. And she goes, oh, my god,
how did you know, I said, we did say the letter.
Yeah. So she goes, okay, can you get the name of his
dad? And I saw my own dad appear in my mind. My dad's
name is Brian, so I just said Brian and she goes, oh my
god, how did you go there? Because I said, I saw my
own dad and his name. So like you say Smith's Crisps or you get
shown something, and I remember seeing who's that really good meeting that's on TV
and stage Tony Stockwell, Yeah, I saw him at a Spirituist church in
Yeah, brilliant, I like, because I think it was. And the
person I was told me that their their friend had died of cancer, but
asbestos based cancer. That is a specific type of cancer. And anyway,
Tony Stockwell does this kind of thing where he takes a photograph. If everyone
puts a photograph in a box or something, he'd take out the photogop and
he hold it to his head. And they started tuning into this purse,
and he happened to pick my friend's photograph up, the very first one.
So he started tuning and said, yeah, this person has a bar in
their own home, which you know, not many people have a bar with
drinks in their own home. And apparently that was true, and then he
said this person died of cancer. And he said died of asbestos poisoning cancer.
And I was like, oh my god, I've only just been old
Earl this evening. That guy died of aspestov So how the bloody hell did
he get that? So at the end of the evening I went up and
said, you did really well. How did you get specifically asbestos cancer?
You know, being a medium, we kind of want to know these things
how they do that? And he said what happened was his own grandfather had
a motorcycle which had a sidecar which was made of asbestos cans. And he
said that every time he was showing that sidecar or the motorbike, he knew
that the Spirit award was referring to asbestos. Right, So he picked up
cancer and he saw the best and said, yeah, that's as beestous poisoning
thing, you know. So it's very interesting that they start to use techniques
that work for you but may not be working. Brothers. And I remember
seeing Jane the demo that you did with Gin in that video filmed and there
was a lady there with her I think this was a grandmother there with her
granddaughter and the mother the girl's mother's communicating, and you suddenly said, I've
got your mum's name. Her name was what's that song? D the Who's
that singer Dolly Parton? Joline? Her name was Joline because you were hearing
the song Jolie, Yeah you're in the song Joline by Dolly Pine. Was
her name Joline? And they said, yes, that's how they got the
name through to you see good good stuff. And it forgot that, didn't
you. I don't probably same as us, guys. We don't remember when
we said it. Could you can pintain it? You're in anno state of
some sort of consciousness and I think, oh, yeah, yeah, I
remember certain things, but a lot of me you forget, don't you.
It's I try and describe it as almost like what I've got to do is
raise my consciousness up here spirit. I got to drop it a little bit.
And I don't know about you, guys. Andrew Mark says, he's
right, but when I finished these days, it takes me two or three
days to recover from it. Moving I'm getting old, I don't know,
but to me now, it's exhausting to do an hour and a half and
hold that energy. It feels like a very big hangover. Prefer to do
it together isn't it kind of easier? Yea yea the evening. I mean
I too would struggle now to do like an hour and a half on my
own, but not in our young years. It would have been free.
Yeah, definitely for that very reason. Yeah, I chopped my little thing
up into segments, and if I'm doing a night, I'll have other readers
doing their things, so like swapping over and recently I'll be doing demos with
a girl called Kerry and we literally swap swap, swap swap. That makes
it so much easier. It does. I could do like ten minutes and
then just sit down and have a break ten minutes then I yeah, that
works really the way forward after four in the it is do you finally both
community hate the same spirit? In the demo? I mean, I've seen
these two guys. I think they'll call three minions, but one guy wasn't
there on that night. But what they did was quite clever. Y we
want a clever piece of a clever gimmicky thing that they did was that they
would guess the person's pin number of their Bibit card. And the first meetium
say your pin, and they say we're going to give you a pin number,
but we're not going to give you the exact order it is. The
first guy will go seven three, the other blower two four, and the
lady goes, yeah, you're right, and she's juggling the numbers around inn
her head to sort of say, yes, that is my pin now,
you know, and it's like they're so confident they can do it, and
it's really you know, I just wondered if to me that to me that
just kind of like I find that to me personally demeans the whole topic slightly,
because I think I started whitkly that I got your pin number, what
we're doing, I'm only there as some proof that like I don't want to
be I'm not an entertainer. No, I don't like it. I don't
like if we've done like the shed spirit, haven't we were? We've literally
give both of us have done it. But if Mark suddenly said I fancy
giving out pin numbers, I'll be like, NAM, all right. It
always hands like a common job, doesn't it? Creative credibility a bit?
Why do you need to do that? I don't know, sidekick rather than
medium stick anyway? Well, mentalism, isn't it it's more mentalism burst into
I am and actually mentioning the psychic bit. Why hadn't mind When you actually
do medium ship, do you get a combination of channeling stuff and psychic stuff
as well? And yet as I only box it out, Yeah, one
hundred percent, the psychic books the message out, if that makes sense.
So my your your nan isn't particularly wide what you had for tea last night,
believe it or not, but I picked out from you psychically, so
psychic in my opinion, it's like sandwich fin it just fills it out,
or would be like your nantish sense a love school, Margaret, that's me
done, so he fills it out. So yeah, you'll probably use a
combination of all of them. Yeah. Interesting, you just said my mum's
name there and maybe my I have that one then so yeah, samwich spread
as a kid, So there you go. Oh you go, ye,
Margaret? Yeah, all right, I think On that note, we'll take
a break here on the paranorm peep Show. Join us in part two.
Uh, we're going to go into heavier stuff, I think if we're allowed
to on YouTube. I don't know. You may have to join us on
Rumble if this part isn't in the show, but yeah, we're gonna be
talking about the Illuminati and the shape of the world where it's maybe it also
ties in with psychic stuff the mediumship as well. Maybe there's a clamp on
that and they don't want us to really know what's going on. Sous people
were heretics, you know, in the eyes of the world. Perhaps,
Yeah, obviously I've been channeling it for two years now, so I'm raring
to go. Oh lay psychic scenes. Okay, so the stay tuned for
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fascinating information. Hey folks, welcome back to the Paranormal pic Show with
myself, Neil get his Ward and guests Mark and Jane. So, Neil,
we're going to go slightly heavy now, aren't we Apparently Yes, Yeah,
with a pre agreement between Jane and Mark, we've decided to ramp this
up a little bit. So we're not going to just be talking about life
after death, although we might still be talking about life after death and what
happens to us after we cease to exist as corporal bodies. We're going to
go into the corproot world, I suppose, rather than corporal bodies and discuss
things a little bit heavier. So if this part is missing from YouTube,
and well, that's just the way things are, but you'll certainly catch it
on Rumble or on if you're listening on Spreaker, certainly we'll be on Spreak
with that one. But we're going to be talking about things events that have
been shaping our world for the last couple of years, and so we're going
to be talking in a kind of codified way maybe to not upset any artificial
intelligences that might be luking the internet trying to catch us out. So if
you're clued up about what we're talking about, then you certainly know some of
what we're talking about. Does that make sense? I hope? Okay,
Jane, if I can start with you, because you've been bursting at the
seams to kind of talk about this. Yeah, so I know that on
Facebook you ran a kind of group. I don't know if you're still running
it. Are you what what I mean? Can you talk about the name
of your group or coded way? No, it's fine. It's becalled spiritually
a wake and aware and I realized during twenty twenty that there was a great
need for people to go and have a place to talk about what was going
on, but also to for a more positive slant. Spirit have been very
clear in my ear that this is very much an energy and vibrational war and
that we've got to start to keep our vibrations high. And I think a
lot of people have no clue how to do that. But I've worked earnestly
now two and a half years to raise awareness and to try and get people
to understand what we're dealing with. Here. In my mind, this is
spiritual warfare. This is the last battle. We're on the same page.
Man, good Man, nice to be. What do you think? What
do you think? Because I think things are heading towards this great reset,
new World Order, dystopian cesspit hell. But I think if enough people wake
up and basically say screw you, I think we could change things around.
I think the biggest dangers to society are people like Clo Schwab, Bill Gates,
Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, all of that illuminati. I'm going to
use the word scum because they want us dead. I kind of like just
want to be left alone. I heard this phrase of libertarians secretly planning to
take over the world and then just leave you alone. That's kind of how
I feel it. I just want to be left alone, leave me to
do my own life. But they don't want that. They want to kill
us all. And because of that, unfortunately, my defensive response is screw
you, and I hope you die as well. But then if you go
down that path, you go down the path of negativity. So Jane,
what are we going to do? How are we going to get out of
there? What we're going to do? I say, what we're going to
do. We're going to start to appreciate. And there's already been a choice,
has already been made, It's already done, it's already done. We're
seeing the after throes of this. Now with natural law, with God's law,
we will have a choice, I believe, as we've already We've always
had a choice all throughout these last two and a half years, and we
will continue to have a choice spirit of showing me the end result of this.
And yes, it's going to in my opinion, it's going to get
dicey and ropeat, but we're going to have a choice. I almost feel
it's going to come to the point where they're going to say, do you
fancy a smart city and we're going to say no, thank you, say
well, bugger off then, and don't ever darken our doorsteps. And that's
how I see it going. There will be free will at the end.
But I think the smart city is going to be very appealing to a lot
of people. We're seeing that, aren't we that that people still very much
love. I'm going to be a little bit risky. The monarchy they love,
the government, they love Daddy telling them what to do, and these
people they're not going to wake up. Now. We're wasting our time with
that. Now, Spirits said to me last year because I was one of
the big advocates in the park when I'm a free protests and Spirits said,
Jane, stop telling people what to do and think, start to show them.
So from that point I cut off and I'm like, do you know
what I'm actually going to show what a healthy woman looks like. And that's
how I'm going to I'm going to show people how to If I'm not going
to tell them anymore, what right have I got to tell people they're right
or wrong. I don't like it when they did to me, but this
is it. I mean, my point of view is I'm a libertarian.
My point of view is I will leave you alone. Just leave me the
hell alone. The problem comes when you get mandatory. When this little word
mandatory comes in, it's like, we'll have our aucifouches and that's fine,
you have your activouches, but we want you to have them too. That's
where we've got the problem. That's where they said we're off, Andred said,
what do you say about that? Marcus? I know you were.
You had a lot of stick, didn't you to conform? Well? But
I guess my story with this goes back years. I was reading David Eyke's
stuff, I don't know, maybe twenty years ago, and like I was
quite shocked by it because I was reading it and thinking this cannot be true
at the same time as knowing it was true. So you know, my
mind was like, this is so bizarre. It's like this cannot be treated
on my logic, rational mind, and yet my intuition mind, my sole
mind, was telling me this was true. So like for twenty years,
I've kind of known about the corruption and the self serving kind of you know,
government policies, and then I kind of like I just left. I've
still got David Art books somewhere, and then I just left it and carried
on and like was fairly not more, really, wasn't it compared to about
in the last couple of years. But when Boris was elected, I was
terrified. I don't know why. I'd never had anything to do with Borus,
never really seen him or followed him, and yet my psychic sense was
this is now a time to be afraid. And then of course, literally
as soon as he was electing, the virus was invented, wasn't he.
So so when you know it very first came out and we were showing pictures
from China, you know, I was like terrified. I remember I was
driving home from Oxford, I think it was on the on the Sunday,
just before lockdown or something, and you know, all the motorway signs were
like, you know, stay at home. Stuff, and I was really
scared. I remember putting petrol in the car, thinking what if it's on
my hands now, you know. And it was about two weeks of that,
and then my injury I kind of connected back to my intuition because fear
had taken me away from myself. Came back to my intuition and I thought,
oh my god, this is absolute lies. So it's been so incredibly
difficult for the last two and a half years not being scared of the virus.
Not even I do believe it's a virus. I've had COVID I was
very pleasant. I've had other illnesses that were worse. So it's not not
that I don't believe it's a virus. I do tend to think or feel
I should say, I feel it's man made. But anyway, I felt
all the way through this that this was just about control and cool and how
difficult that's been for me when you know, pretty much the vast majority of
people that I interact with are queuing up for medical interventions, and you know,
kind of believing the word of Boris when he was doing his five o'clock
announcements, and just like every inch of my being was just me, this
is rubbish and they don't do any of the stuff they were prosing on us.
They don't. They don't have lockdowns, and it's since been proved.
Isn't it more part isn't number ten than in the country They if they believed
what they were saying was true to us, they would have been in some
kind of nuclear resistant bunk. And wouldn't they along with the Queen, the
West and Royal family and all the other politicians they were they were partying at
downing streets singing other songs. I just find it really unforgivable that that amount
of control and disempowerment that they've included on the people talking to the royal family.
I know that they were getting on, I know that they were getting
old, but isn't it interesting triple jibbs? I think that all at least
double jibbed. And then Prince Philip passes on to the other side, and
then Queeny passes onto the other side. I don't know if you saw Queen's
hands when she was taking Liz trust completely purple. I don't know if you've
seen Prince Charles's hands or King Charles's ans. He's got sausage fingers. Now
now, I'm not saying it's the ouchi fauci. It's just I don't shaking
hands with so many people that makes your hands on About on about week three
of the lockdown. By this time, I've watched these three men stood there
with their little slogans. Total, total manipulation and very much. I said,
they lying to me. The nine people are lying to me. And
I went into my bedroom and I sat at my dressing table, and a
white figure came in the bedroom. She stood behind me. It made me
jump, and she said, clearest day, they are hiding God from you.
And I thought, right, if I went down the bloody church,
didn't I? I thought I didn't find him there. I for funnily enough,
but that really got me into it. I read the Bible, and
my goodness, the last book of the Bible. If you haven't read it
yet, read it. What an I open, isn't it? And it
says in there, clear as day, in the last days, far makea
will deceive the earth. Far makea means pharmacy. The pharmacy, it would
see the earth and God, the Bible, whatever you want to call it,
it is written there. And people, it's just to me, I
have been astonished in the spiritual community. How many people were so scared to
die? What we've spent our whole lives telling people don't be afraid to die?
Wow? What hypocrites? What hypocrites? The community is so split,
isn't it? Because I found there that it's really in half that the spiritual
people who are absolutely how we think that it's all bs, it's all lovely
lies, manipulation and can talk, and then there's others folw this lever up,
Give it to me, give me another one. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, let's have it again. I think that for me,
in my little world, it was only me and my brother that were speaking
out, and it was like, where it's all the spiritual people. I
was getting regular Facebook bands man, man, you scribes, Yeah, you
know that you're probably sitting in the North Korean kind of the medals, and
it's like, you know, this is how many fake book pla I've got?
Yeah? It was literally kind of every other week I was another band.
Another censorship is increbing. It's interesting because one of moost outspoken people within
my own family was my dad about this, not not against it before it's
saying you must get a certain medical procedure, because Boris says, so he
was going on and longer on about it. And now my dad has passed
on and passed on with analytic aneurysm, the same thing as my mom.
And my mum had analytic anaurism back in twenty sixteen, just coincidentally to like
that my dad had the same thing. But I did look into it afterwards
and found that some guy had been doing research, some Austrian scientist or someone
like that, that suggested there was a possible link between certain medical interventions that
we've been encouraged to take and aortic aneurysms. And then there's been other reports
of people saying they've never heard the analysis so busy. In the last two
years, there seems to be so many more sirens on the road than they
were previously. Yeah, and if we look at this more from a spiritual
aspect than a human aspect, let's kind of go, let's delve down to
the path of me for a moment. So we're starting to understand that everything
is frequency and vibration. Everything is now some people have such low frequencies that
they have willingly given their power away to men in black suits because they feel
so incapable of making any decisions for themselves. And then you've got the people
we class them as awake. Perhaps they're just more conscious who actually trust their
senses. They know when something's not right, and they've gone with that.
So I call the lower consciousness as fillers, like movie extras. They're there
and they're running about, but nothing's really getting done. And what if they're
there in place for the spiritual mind? Those were, you see, to
create the new. So as much as we want to talk about there's loads
of deaths and this the end of the world, what about if this is
the creation of the new and that's where me and Mark have been, that's
true. Yeah, we've got to dismantle the systems. We've got to destroy.
This now is happening, but it will be our choice as to what
happens to us individually. It has to be. It is natural law.
Back in twenty eleven, I was really drawn to do a course for kind
of spiritual people. At that time, I was running a spiritual center and
this course was basically about how to exist and live in a very different world,
in a world where there weren't shops and petrol stations and all those things
that we've taken the granted for years. How to exist and thrive in a
world without any of that. And of course I thought of the time,
because there's a lot to talk about twenty twelve. I thought, oh,
the end of the world is due in twenty and twelve, and that's what
this is all about. Well, because the end of the world didn't come
in twenty twelve. But what I've seen over the last two years is everything
talk in that course about how to create your own reality, how to manifest
things. All of those things that are going to be so vital as we
go forward are the things that we've needed now. I mean, you know,
James often surprised when I say, in Plymouth, you cannot get stuff
in the supermarket. The shelters just empty, have been for two years.
There's nothing, you know. Sometimes we have no petrol, we have no
diesel. You know, I'm not exaggerating. Sometimes you go to the supermarket
and there is nothing there. You know, you get tinner peages perhaps or
some evaporated milk. That's it. And so we already in like big cities
like Plymouth, we are having to think about how do we live in this
new world when you cannot guarantee the things that have always been available to us.
So I think what, Yeah, like Jane's saying, I think that
those of us who know are better off channeling our energy into showing people,
look, this is how you now survive in this new world. Yeah,
because if we go down the path of anger, and believe me, I
have been raging for two years. If you go down the road of anger
that it doesn't do anything. It lowers the vibration, it alienates people.
It's do you know what I mean? It's like often being away of venting
the actually absolute frustration about it all. In the horrors of it all,
it doesn't do anything. We've probably guided towards like a more loving, kind
of compassionate approach. So the Facebook group I've run on this and it only
has a few members, but it is called Unity. So it's about,
you know, providing a space where everyone can be included and united. So
you know, if somebody did choose to take a medical procedure, well,
okay, that's their choice. They may regret it, but actually, from
my point of view, they need to be supported and helped just as much
as somebody who was ridiculed for not taking a procedure. So I'm coming from
a kind of quite compassionate, open armed place with all this now because we're
in this mess, because we've got to look at our own selves in this
very much. We've sold ourselves out for convenience. We've been dazzled by things
that tinkle it we could touch with our fingers. So each one of us
as possibility to where we are now, and I think you know we could
go. You know, you're a stupid bugger. And I've done it.
I've done it. I have done it. I've screamed and shouted at the
ludicrousness of people. And there's now there's people I'm not going to have in
my life. I know that. But if someone does come and they have
had what you had, a medical intervention, I'm not going to turn them
away. I'm going to help them as much as i'd help someone who hasn't.
It's not for me to sit and judge. Isn't that why we're in
this mess. I think we need to have a pragmatic approach. I think
compassionate is definitely the way to go. The problem we have is, imagine
we're in nineteen thirty nine, and we've got the rise of Adolph Hitler.
I hear the approach is wonderful. Whilst you're in Britain, the rest of
the world is being trampled by the jack boot. Now the problem is the
Nazis never went away Operation paper Clip. They went all over the world,
including Argentina through the Vatican rat lines plat it can help with that, and
into America and into places like Big Farmer and Big Agra and the Rockets program,
Fanasa, etc. Which is a whole different story. But the Nazis
never really went away. Now they've done it that they've regrouped, and that
same Nazi consciousness is turning up. And basically Bill Gates blesses little cotton socks.
Bill Gates is buying up huge swathes of agricultural land and doing absolutely nothing
with it. And we've got Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum telling us
that we're going to live in pods, own nothing, eat bugs and be
happy. Oh, by the way, you're going to be micro chipped.
And by the way, there's going to be food shortages. We have no
idea why there's going to be food. Chortice couldn't be the fact that they're
buying up all the land and doing nothing with it. There is a planned
extermination. I would like to see Nuremberg two for these people. The thing
is meditation and compassion and being positive is wonderful, and yes that has its
place, but we have a problem, and that problem is sheer evil.
How we need to do something about it. My my thinking is, okay,
so what needs to happen. We need to arrest the people that are
doing this. Okay, how are we going to do that? Where we're
going to need military and we're going to need the police. But the problem
is the military and the place with their training. This is why this is
so insiduous. They are trained to be little system drones to follow orders.
There is some good news apparently some of the sheriffs, and I don't know
why. The sheriffs and the US are very anti New World Order, and
they're more on the side of the citizens and the people of America because the
sheriffs grow up in the in their counties and they they're very involved with the
citizens and you know, they help each other out. The problem is when
you get these kind of like this, this, these faceless kind of like
goon squads, you know, whether you call them FEDS or whoever they are,
that the type of people that would raid Trump's house but leave Biden's laptop
alone. These types Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, what am
I trying to say here? We need to try and sway the military and
the police onto the side of goodness, and we need to start going after
the darkness. And that's the only way we can do. Ignore the darkness,
we can iditate. But if we ignore the dark darkness, all that's
going to happen is one day you're going to get a knock on the door
and it's off to the gooleg. I get you. I'm not saying sitting
here we should pray ourselves back. I think beyond that, what do you
do? We get prepared and we sort our shit out. I think that,
you know, for me, here's what I want to do. I'm
going to get out of this. There's some land I'm going to plant.
We own vegetables. I'm going to surround my property with common law. I've
looked into that. I've become a peace constable in the last two years.
There's there's ways to protect ourselves. But I think it's lovely to think that
a load of good people are going to stand up and go and take these
people down. They ain't no evidence of that yet. So all I could
think at this point is self preservation. I know that's harsh. It's a
little bit self Preservationuse don't forget everything you're being shown on this television. It's
a movie. It's a movie. It has as much energy as we give
to it. And what they want. Imagine the Illuminati, they sit there
and we all get outraged. This is a bomb and they suck it in
like cigarette smoke, and it makes high and it makes them strong. How
do you deal with the psychopath and the narcissistic? Cut it off, puff
off the supply. Without our supply, they couldn't keep going. There is
some good news apparently, the people taking up the medical intervention that is just
plummeting. Now they've got the huge stocks that they don't know what to do
with. They're just going to end because it's only got like a six month
cell bite date. And people are a lot more against the new world or
the Joe Biden called it the liberal home world Order. And when Joe Biden
did that speech, he probably said it where he's got the red and the
black and the background, and he called all Trump supporters and Republicans, he
called them terrorists, domestic terrorists. I think he's nailed the coffin. Put
the nail in his in his coffin for that one. The only way Biden,
I think the only way Biden will get re elected is if he steals
the election again again again again. When Trump lost, I thought I'd be
honest with you. Fucking hell. We're in trouble now. That's why I
sat there in thought. Yeah, But then I've got to go back up
to what I know spiritually. There's a reason we were all able to contact
the spirit world at this time. I true, I speared, never let
me down. Humans have I'm going to trust might put my faith in them,
for I put my trust in any living man. And I just get
this good impression at the ends of this and in his carnage. Think about
it, every mass exodus of souls throughout history, every one of them has
been trying to each the earth something we're stupid with slow with legislated humans.
Not everyone. The listeners of this show I think will be kind of like
quite enlightened and quite awake. Otherwise, Yes, yes, General Sheep and
it's interesting to use filler people. I bet this is a concept I've come
across as well, and NPCs as well, nonplayer games. I think that's
absolutely right. There were some people who are just so programmed and just so
zombie sheep. You just cannot get food to them, and no man,
what you do, They're just they'll just go along with what over they're told.
The support thing. You know, my partner and a lot of people,
good people got together in twenty twenty one and they still on the side
of the roads begging people not to get the jib jabbing. Then children they
were shouted out, they had extra and at them. One man tried to
punch a woman. They were horrified. How dare we go against? So
I'm like buggery. I will help anyone who asks, but I'm not doing
in my life now to wake up the fillers. It's interesting because about two
months ago, Monaca and I were coming back from somewhere. We're driving back
in to Weymouth and I think we actually went under the It was under the
railway bridge that probably runs past your house, you know, the train line
Weymouth into Dorchester, Yeah, probably Mere, Yeah, but there was what
we saw as we approached it slowly in the traffic. Was they were holding
a great big banner over the side of the bridge or pinned it up or
something, and it was certain medical appliances that we've been encouraged to take and
it said stop the lies. And there are these people on the bridge.
Now I don't know whether they were the people that actually put the banner there
or they were just staring down, but I kind of just waved up at
them like that slowly as I went under, and they kind of gave me
a thumbs up, so they were kind of acknowledging that I saw their banner.
I thought, this is interesting that these people are putting it there.
So people are starting to get a little bit clear up here, and there
locking some people, you know, so of course noic wouldn't it. I
I remember watching me and Mark we've been very interested in the World War two
for some reason, even as little kids, and I remember we say to
each other, for God, how could people behave like that? Oh now
now we know, Now we know, And it's not hard to do,
is it. It's not hard to get people to do it. So it
was interesting with with with the with the mindset type of thing. Now,
going back to the monarchy, right, I'm not I'm not completely anti monarchy.
I don't want monarchy. I want to republic, but I'm not blood
thirsty and I don't want like a I don't want a violent revolution, and
I don't want to kind of drop the heads off monarch it is. That's
that's not my thing. Yeah, but when the when the Queen's funeral happened,
there was I watched it purely from a historical point of view. I
thought, I have to watch this, but I may not agree with everything.
You know, I don't want the monarchy, but I will watch it
because it's, you know, once a lifetime thing, it's a historical thing.
But because it was absolutely relentless about how wonderful the queen was and all
that, you know, how wonderful the guard's look, and all the people
saying, oh, she was part of my life, I kind of like
felt myself being kind of like almost dragged along with it, or or I
felt that I felt the pull the magnetism of you know, a nation coming
together. And then I kind of thought drew myself back out of that,
and I thought, imagine that but in nineteen thirties Germany. Yeah, imagine
how like of a magnetic pullet would be to kind of raise your hand up
and do a high line. And I loved it. They'd got high off
it, wouldn't you. Yeah, it was. It was a mindset and
as you say, it was so easy to get swept up in it.
And I could have gone watching the monch. I could have gone full into
and I had to stop myself full into. Yeah, the queen was great,
and isn't it great having all this history and all this monarch in that
I had to stop myself and think, hang on a minute, it's not
democratic. They're not elected. They ruled over everyone else, and they own
everything. Slave master, isn't it? Slave master? That That's exactly what
we're trying to spiritually come out of it. I need a master on an
independent person like this. So for those that there is footage, black and
white footage should be still out there on the internet. Queen and her mom,
the Queen and her mom, Princess Margaret doing a high hitler. Yes,
because, like you said, Andrew, the Nazis didn't go. They
don't lose the war. They did not. German family that changed their name
during the war, or just but good old Britannia et yeah, se Cobra
or something like that. Yeah so yeah, so we're kind of like we're
under the hood. If you lift up the bonnet of society, there's a
few kinds of German made devices there as it weren't. Whether you know it
originates in Germany, this whole idea of what they've become. Maybe it originates
in Austria, you know, I think we could look to China. Perhaps.
I think China's are major contender here as well. They want Chinese sister
rolled out in the country, don't they. But I choose, I'm exempt.
I choose to go and live as a woman, a free woman of
the land, and I would rather die than live under what's coming. I'd
rather get should Yeah, that's not an issue for me. That's not a
choice. What of spirits? I mean obviously mentioned this spirit that came into
your living room glowing white lady and said they're not speaking of God or something.
What else have they said anything else about what's coming to you? They've
shown me the end result. I mean, I don't know if you've heard
of peas called med beds that are ready available for the elites, we don't
get them. Of course, there's food, there's children playing. We're going
back to basics for those who want to join it. But not many people
will. Who the hell was to go back and tend to their own crops?
We sold out years ago for convenience. So there will be a few
of us, be that hundreds of thousands or a few of us that will
choose that way of life. It will be a choice. It has to
be a choice that that's that's spiritual law. That has to be very well
seeing to us. When I was talking about that course earlier, it was
like, how can we manifest things? How can we live in a in
a world where we can't depend on supplieres in the way that we have done.
So I too kind of have that vision of world being very very basic,
very simple, much much fewer people. And to be honest, it
doesn't look that bad, do you know what I mean? I think that
I think that the terrifying bit is the bit between now and that is a
bit that's awful. Yeah, this has made me actually incredibly depressed recently because
like because because it's a case of this all used to be somewhere over the
rainbow conspiracy theory. Now, what's the difference between conspiracy theory and fact?
About six months? Yeah, that's everything that's kind of like was crazy David,
like Alex James crazy, crazy stuff is now and I wish we were
wrong. I wish it was just tinfoil hat stuff. Yep, we're seeing
it. We're seeing World economic four and people saying you will own nothing,
you will live in a pod, you will eat bugs. There's going to
be no energy and there's going to be no food, and we need to
cut the global population. How can we manifest the arrest of these psychopaths.
I'd love a load of like swap people. You're kind of white hat black
swat people dressed in black, machine guns everything. Just go and raid all
of Klaus Schwild, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, all of these psychopaths of
rest of them, and through a proper trial, put them on trial in
a world court Nuremberg too, and absolutely if they are found guilty, the
maximum possible thing, so blind, he's got to be dismantled, he's got
to be destroyed before we can even get to that point, or they're going
to put these blokes in the courts which are going to find them innocent and
it's lovely, but everything's got to be destroyed before we could rebuild anything like
that. If you go spiritually andrew, what's your soul? If at this
time then to get depressed, what's it here for? I? Well,
this is it? I thought, do you know what? I thought?
My soul was here to try and make a difference. But then that's to
the point of, well, maybe maybe maybe it is all just lost,
I said to spirit because I started suffering panic attacks. I went so far
down the rabbit hole and all kicked off. I ended up in hospital.
Anyway, I've come out. I know. I had sort of put a
lid on it a bit, and I said to spirit one, I said,
I can't change the world. Stop showing me this stuff. I can't
do nothing with it. They said, Jane, you ain't got to change
the world. Just change a few people's lives around you. Let the ripple
effect go out. That's all I can do. I accept that. And
I can make sure me and my family are safe. That's all I can
do at this point. The same here, I mean, he's gone a
bit, you know, like we probably don't know, but you can imagine,
like in the fifties if someone was gay and they had to kind of
do a knowing look and hopes the other person picked up on that knowing look
the bird stories, and that's how I'm finding it is now. So you
know, my clients are kind of almost dropping a little something in the water
to see if they can tell me that they've not had any interventions. You
know, they're curious because it's so terrifying, isn't it to actually come out
as being someone who sees through all this? And what I'm finding is I'm
getting more and more of those times, people who've been injured through medical intervention,
people who are thinking differently, And I think all I can do.
I can't arrest, I can't even say his name, clouds whatever. I
can't do it. But what I can do is help these people who are
beginning to wake up, who are beginning to see something different, who are
regretting decisions. I can support them. And I guess that's me about adding
my energy to the love and the light energy, which I hope then will
dismantle the likes of the Nazi types who are doing this stuff. You know,
So I think you've got to add your power to the light and hope
that that kind of you know, dispels the shadow. Maybe I'm being optimistic,
maybe I'm being naive. I think you've got to have some kind of
optimism otherwise you really go. I've just been to the darkness point of of
what's the point of actually being here? Last two years? Yeah, last
two years. Me and Mark Terra Blunt, we we ain't thinking. Oh
loved like trust me, I've loved nothing more to see these men shot executed.
They're traited, They're traitors, They're traitors people like Chris Witty. I
don't think Chris Witty is evil. I don't get that vibe. But he
is absolutely a whore of big Farmer. He's in the pockets of big farm.
He's controlled by them. And I'll tell you what you know, this
removal removal of God thing. I bet Chris Witty is a complete atheist because
he's acting like science the science is God. They're trying to swap spirituality in
God with oh shiny science. Look at the science and they are we allowed
to swear? Are we allowed to say? Neil? I don't know.
They have fucked it up, the medical medical establishment have fucked it up.
If you look at groups like Died Suddenly, there's tons of groups. Anyone
listening to this, have a look at died Suddenly. Join all of their
groups have all bloods of people with heart attacks, stroked, blood clots.
We've got athletes, We've got a fit athletes dropping dead, left, right
and center all over the place. Neil, there's somebody a mutual aquaintance of
ours that you know, four members of a family got a triple gibd jibbed
and now they're dead. The heart attacks and strokes. This is genocide.
And now it's come to light. There's something. There's a drug called rem
deservir in America, and there's actually lawsuits going on where thousands of people are
approaching these two attorneys in California saying that rendservie. First of all, it
shouldn't be used to treat COVID, even though the who admitted it shouldn't be
used. But what's happening the medical establishment in America are using rem deservir to
treat COVID. What does it do? What it shouldn't be used for respiratory
diseases apparently, And what they're doing as well is not only is it kind
of like causing breathing problems for people, making the condition worse. They're also
at the same time saying, oh, well, their lungs are filling up
with fluid, so it can't give them food or water, so they're also
starving them and dehydrating them. And there are family members saying, you know,
X y Z, my mum, my dad, my uncle, blah
blah blah went into hospital with you know, bad COVID but wasn't life threatening.
And basically they die and a lot of it comes down to remdeservit.
And I'll tell you what they're doing. They're asking people if they're jabbed when
they come in, and if they're not jabbed, then they immediately go onto
remdeservie. So it's almost almost a certain death. And what do they say,
Oh, well, unjabbed people that are the most likely people to die
from COVID, they're not dying from COVID, they're dying from the red Yeah.
Absolutely, A bit like in that first lockdown them a does a lamb
murders and not a murmur from the good old German public. But they're going
to shout and screen for this old lady who died at the weekend, they've
done with it, done it would she lovely terrible, terrible going. This
is eugenics. This is genics. And now we're back to the Nazis as
about she's grandfather was in the prison of war camps. I mean Bill Gates's
grandfather. He doesn't go too far, does it. Wow. So what
we've got to understand is that these people there's a great astrologer, what's her
name, Mark, I've given her a big up, and I've got their
name, Pam, Pam Gregory. And she was saying in twenty twenty,
each one of us has a decision to make this year, and it will
have ramifications. So choose wisely for the people. Know, I have had
three medical interventions. I can't reach them people, and duing up for the
fourth they do and then at the fifth and guess what you get the flu
shop for you with it. They're beyond help, but perhaps our job is
not. Still that's a great lot of energy going on, these people that
don't want saving, they want their interventions. I just feel so sorry for
them. Way that they're the fear that you know, and don't forget the
government employed psychology called you know, advisors to to work out how to terrify
the population. They are so terrified that they genuinely believe they have to have
that or they're going to die. Yeah, you know, I mean brainwashing
on that level. I mean you've got to be bloody strong to withstand it.
I mean, I was so close when I when I had COVID,
it was I knew it was bad made. I knew it had been released
from China by accident. And when I had it, what was really weird
was it didn't feel natural. The smell of it was synthetic. It was
really weird, the smell of it. You know, perhaps I think I
added twice now at least, but do you know what, You survive it
because strangely, we've got an immune system. It's been so terrified they don't
even believe their immune system will fight it. You know, isn't it weird
that this is what I was thinking watching all of these their little podiums of
wash your hands and blah blah blah. Not once did they say, do
you know what, maybe go and get some sunlight, Maybe stone can cut
down on takeaways, cut down on fatim get some vitamin, get some zinc,
and going to meditation and get a lot of plenty of rest and sleep.
That all the way. I said to one guy who was suffering terribly
after his second intervention, I suggested a course of vitamins that I highly recommend.
You said, I am taking that quackery. Love, I'm done here.
I'm fastery to take vitamin his crackery. What you mean about the synthetic
thing, I've had it twice as well. You synthetic smell and yeah,
coffee smelled of burnt barbecue. I mean I still I had it about a
year ago, that September. I've still not got my sense of smellback taste.
So wow. Yeah, I mean, I'm not denying that there's a
virus out there and absolutely not advice. Yeah, but I think it's weak,
it's absolutely and this is this bloody proven. They didn't they in November
two thousand and nine team for the election, they rested this one thing,
what was it, the Bill Gates kind of forum thing where they said let's
pretend yeah, and then the senator around Paul dragged Fauci in front of I
think it's Congress, and Fauci lied. Fuchi said that he was not involved
with gain the function research he was he lied that man is a criminal.
He's responsible for genocide. If if it was released on purpose, he is
a war criminal and should be united genocide. If it was at least accidentally,
he should be charged with gross medical negligence and mad daughter that is,
I mean, we know, don't with that Russia in China want to kind
of you know, take over the world. So what a great idea too,
you know, accidental see what he does? You know, there's a
if anyone remembers the seventies series, it was called Survivors and it was like,
oh no on Desert Islands. No, No, it was a BBC
series set in nineteen seventies as well. Where I watched it was seventy five
something like that. Nineteen seventy five, you had been quite young, so
perhaps you didn't showing your age. Yeah, I'm definitely shown my age.
Definitely fown my age. I am a age And basically what it was it
would start off with. It basically was set against a backdrop where this virus
had somehow got out into the world. But the title sequence said it all
because it showed a Chinese oriental guy with a mask on and you know,
like that sort of medical stuff and he drops this vial of liquid in slow
motion and the title and it splashes to the ground. Then it shows another
Chinese guy getting on a plane from China flying into Europe, and it's basically
saying, this is how this, this whatever Germans got out by from China
into the world, by people flying them out and stuff, you know,
and this this this thing is exactly repeat now in more and more people were
dying in the TV series, so there's only small pockets of humanity and they're
literally like a few people in every body should club together and say, right,
okay, let's pick up the food from the stupermarket, but only take
tin stuff, you know, And they'd have to make up their own laws
as they went along. On one featured one episode featured the guy that was
accused of rape and they hung him and it turned out to be someone else
or something, And it is the problems they kind of tackled along the way.
It's probably our DVD. You watch it on YouTube, but it's worth
watching for anybody that kind of thing. And the other thing is that Andy,
we spoke about this a couple of years ago when we first started seeing
signs of this illness appear on the streets of China, and we were a
bit baffled from it because you'd see video footage that these people suddenly running down
the street and they're dropping in on the street, and that this is this
is the mysterious illness coming from China. Everybody, watch out, it's coming
your way. And their report were in a full had and the count of
money shorts. But yes, you're thinking, a how does the caravan know
that person's going to drop? Yeah, you know, bay Or And if
you're so ill with COVID, you won't be running down the streets well with
with what really made me question the whole thing right from the very start on
BBC News. I don't generally tend to watch BBC News because it's mostly communist
crap in my opinion. I remember seeing a footage from China of somebody recording
on their mobile driving down and there was basically bodies on the streets, covered
up bodies, and it wasn't just one or two, it was just bodies,
bodies, bodies, bodies, bodies, And at that thought, at
that time, I was thinking, oh shite, okay, So when it
came, when it eventually went over to Europe, which I knew it would
do. I was just thinking, oh, great, fantastic when it did
do, okay, there were some people that hospitalized, and there were some
people that were you know, got it really badly, and some people even
died, But there was nobody in the streets who just suddenly collapsed and died.
No, what was that? Quite hard to die from it when you
look at the survival rag of what was in nineteen United Simes, Yes,
it's really hard to die of it, never mind dropped head in the street
while running for your life. I remember watching one early early probably in April,
and they highlighted the dead bodies. They were covered and blessed them.
One of these dead bodies little little fag and had a sniff yeah in an
ambulance. Yes, yes, yes, And you're like, whoa, what
the dummies? This is a love of the dummies in the hospital. They
had all these news reports and then you got the and you zoom in and
it's a money yeah, and Cristis actors were brought in and we could research
them a fight. I mean, it was for feople who's still believing in
this goodness may which if I go back to spiritually, there has to be
an exodus or we will create this again. Yeah, within fifty years it
will be back to where we are. There has to be an exodus.
And that brings me no joy to say it. But I know it's happening.
I think it's true, you know, because you know the medical intervention.
You know, injury rates are huge, aren't they. I mean just
people who I see, you know, post menopause, or women who started
having periods again, and they people with gout, people with myocyodiitis. You
know, I'm hearing all this all the time, and I just I just
don't give my opinion on it because you know, I think it's inappropriate.
Thiss dwanty to discover yourself. But all of these things all the time.
I've heard of deafness, blindness, the injuries, flooding, Clark, it's
terrible jud points. I want people listening to this to look up an embalmer
called Richard Kershman. Richard Kershman and Obama for at least twenty years. He
deals with about four hundred bodies per day. He basically found that it's not
really so much blood clots that are going on in jib jabbed people in terms
of why they're dying. How embalming works apparently, and the process of embalming
is to kind of preserve the body for funerals and things like that. They
pump out all of the blood in your body and they use something like formaldehyde
chemicals similar to that to preserve the body. As he was pumping, and
this is only jibbyjabbed people dead. Jibijabbed people. As he was pumping,
he was noticing this what can be described as I think he called it and
adoid proteins, this biological material that's like an elastic band. It's yellow,
and it's stretchy, and it's pingy, and this is coming out of people's
veins and there's plumps of it. And he's saying, it's not the blood
plots that are doing it, it's whatever this is that grow in it.
And when they were working on our MNA technology about about twenty ten, because
this is not new technology, folks, twenty ten, guess who was working
on it, Anthony Faucci. Just a coincidence, but they found that more
or less all of the animals when they were doing that the tests were dying
like this r M and A stuff even dangerous, It is not working and
it is killing. So what did they decide to do? Hey, let's
use it on humans in twenty twenty? Awesome, well done, Oh world,
let's go for it. Yeah, mad And what your intention for it
is? Though? Don't it? This is it? If it's a US
as something else? I didn't know, my God, and I need to
find out if this is actually true, because I've heard of it. Apparently
the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, before it was called the Belinda Melinda Gates
Foundation, was actually called something like the Foundation for Human Depopulation Go Wow or
some similar name to that. I just thought, well, there you have
it, the Geia guide Stones. You've been destroyed. So and do you
know about? I know, Ben did something Ben Emlin jails offer a live
stream on the Georgia guy Stones, and weirdly I had a dream about them.
How did you? Yeah? But they like just blocks a cement in
my dream. And then oddly enough I was listening to a podcast the next
day when they suddenly announced the Georgia Guidstones have been destroyed, and I thought,
exact had no really interesting I vaguely heard them. Have I heard they've
got some inscription on there. No one knows much about them. I had
a dream about the next day they've been you know, they knocked down or
taken down on something destroyed. Yeah. Yeah, So what's the background of
the Georgia guidestones exactly? So the Georgia guystones were I think there were three
slabs together. Some people kind of like wondered who they were built by.
We don't really know. I think there's some some initials, but I forgot
what the initials were, and they're in I think there's something like five languages
or kind of seven languages, something like that, and they basically talk about
keeping the world global population under five hundred million. I think this global population
is currently what is it, eight billion something like that on planet Earth.
So they want to produce it to five one hundred million. And it sounds
wonderful, some of these things like living in harmony with nature and all this
kind of thing. It sounds wonderful until you realize the underpinning vibe is basically
killed humans, get rid of humans, and that seems to be kind of
their agenda. It also seems to be the green agenda as well. Now,
to make it very clear that I do not want a toxic, polluted
planet. And I don't want plastic in the oceans. I don't want turtles
with straws in their mouths, and I don't want you know, toxic crap
pumping out all over the place. I'm all for decent, you know,
green energy, But the green agenda, when you really look at it,
be where the watermelons. Watermelons are green on the outside, red i e.
Communist on the inside. And so when you view some of the green
agendas and they talk about wanting a green society and all this kind of thing,
and you really get down to it and you ask them, okay,
so what's your solution. What do you reckon? Then they start spouting out
communists drivel and it's about culling the world population one hundred percent. And that's
that's the next bit is the green agenda is going to be locumed in.
Everyone's going to be seeing that. Then, yeah, we could be great
citizens. Now this is, in my opinion, the introdution of the social
credits. Yeah, this is where it's going. Yeah, there's no other
way about it. You guys must be must be fans of gb News.
Do you like do you watch gen? Yeah? I love Neil Oliver.
Yeah, he's just fantastic. He used to work on the BBC ironically,
but if anyone's listening to this, please listen to gb News. It's about
the only place you'll get It's not absolutely hundred percent perfect, but then what
channel is. But it's the only channel that's actually challenging anything, including jib
jabs, the net zero agenda and all that kind of thing. Neil Oliver
said that something his wife said was very poignant and stuff with him. The
green agenda is not really about making everything green. It's more about going without
Yes one percent, going with our is cutting things from your when you get
these kind of like where they talk about net zero and how wonderful net zero
is. Oh yeah, well you had zero carbon and everything. Okay,
so what you're going to fill it with and there's no real tills. Radio
is challenging that in a big way talk radio and talk that's really worth for
watch. Yeah, good, good good. And also, whilst we're talking
about alternative media, there's UK column News. Yeah, yeah, as well.
You can find on they're not on YouTube anymore because they were one of
the first independent media broadcasters. If you like, they're based in Plymouth,
ironically based Toads, and they had an interview with a lady whose husband had
suffered from a certain illness syndrome as it were, that prevented him from walking
not long after having medical interventions, and one of the first reports that came
out and because they were just having an interview about it, this is what
my husband is suffering. He can barely walk, you know, within two
days of having medical intervention. And so YouTube took a disliking to it and
said that, you know, they're not telling the truth or whatever claim they
may and they shut down their YouTube channel. So now you can find where
you can go to the UK column News website or you can go to Rumble
and search UK column News there and they're usually do a broadcast around lunch times,
but you can also catch it up on the internet. But they're Mondays,
Wednesdays and Fridays, I believe, and they have various people there.
One of the guys is actually American. Was they are two Americans that come
on. One of there's a more recent guy called Mark West I think his
name is, and he had actually recently gone to a thing in America,
like a big convention called the Red Pill expog which is worth checking out.
Read about it on their website. But from what I understand, it's basically
like a big convention of people like us that would all get together, might
be spiritually aware people, people that reject this kind of society's being imposed upon
us. They reject certain medical interventions, they reject the narrative, and they're
looking under the bonnet of these things and trying to dig deep and find out
what's going on. So you find one speakers, they're telling you about what's
really happening in China, What is the cause of China's you know, how
come China's expanded so quickly, and it's through the banks that have all got
this agreement you know that we don't know about, and they're funding this and
funding that, and they're going to crash the economy, et cetera, et
cetera, et cetera. So check out also everybody. The Red Expo in
the United States, I believe they had like a summer conference. They might
have smaller conferences maybe around that country, I don't know, but maybe largely.
You know, there's the new spreads of the Red collex Bow. It
might start ending up over here because it's been exposed to us through the UK
colonies, and who knows, they might start organizing something like that. Maybe
we'll be involved in it in some way in the future. Who knows.
We're checking out Red Collex Bow on the Internet as well. So we're coming
up to a close soon in the next five minutes. So where do we
see ourselves going in the next five ten years? Jaying and Mark with this?
What have you got any psychic predictions or anything that's been shed light to
you on what's going to happen. I just want to kind of go back
to where we started if I can just just sort of finish off what I
was saying, because I'm just just thinking about what I said. I'm very
aware there's all lots of different souls that are awake at the time. There
is a place for the warriors, there is a place for the research is
there's a place for the fighters. Personally, where I sit, I'm no
good at any of them roles. So I'm going to sit and hold as
much goodness as I can and help people that way. But everybody's out on
the streets making a noise, fair play to them, that's what their soul
come to do. I'm just trying to say, like my soul's tried it,
it's not for me. It makes me poorly. I've got to hold
the light. And any advice I could give is, when we're being pulled
into the fear or we're getting depressed, have two weeks off align yourself.
Spirit of shown me. We can focus on all that's bad in the world,
or we can go all love and light and same thing's wonderful. Neither
of those does any good. We've got to stay as spiritual people in the
middle lane. We must. This is a war our minds, our souls,
and this is spiritual warfare. This is the final battle. So although
go and fight, go shout. I've done my fair share. I know
that I work best, I help people best when I'm out of the fear
zone and just doing my thing. Here I agree. I tell you what
I do as a kind of almost a therapeutic thing that also helps helps people.
My view is I'm a graphic designer and I do photoshop quite a lot,
and I create a lot of memes brilliant. My thing is to undermine
the bullshit system with memes, and I try and join as many groups as
I can and spread stuff as many as I can. So for instance,
like you know the people with the podiums at number ten doing all their things,
I will just change the text for like brilliant blah blah blah blah blah,
and I just spread those around. I want to say, I call
it a sigh up, you know, which is a you know, psychological
operation my job. I think it a sign up to try and undermine and
get people get normal everyday people, are you really being told the truth?
Or if I can spark something something that makes people think, well maybe I'm
being manipulating that has a snowball effect, that's so. Look, I this
has been my point in all of this is connect to your soul because your
soul will guide you through it and down the path that's ride for you.
So you know, Jane's holding the lid, you're doing memes. I guess
what I'm doing is really helping people to connect to their own soul so that
they can feel for themselves. Should they have any interventions, are they going
to be okay? Do they need to take a supplement. I'm helping people
to connect to their souls in my work all the time, every day,
all day in my teaching everything. And that's what I can offer because it's
by being connected to your soul and you'll get through this and you'll be all
right in whatever comes next. Yes, you're where You've got to keep connected
yourself. That's what they're trying to sever. That is exactly what they're trying
to sever it. And that's why, in my opinion, that does And
I want to expect that. When I say soul, I don't mean spirit.
So I'm not saying connect to your dead Granny. I'm talking about your
own soul essence. Yeah, because for all we know, Granny may have
been, you know, queuing up for some treatment. We don't. We
don't. This is not a time to be going to Branny for advice on
this. We need drink our own soul, you know. Yeah, Yes,
exactly the opposite of transhumanism. Transhumanism wants to remove the succe. Yes,
yeah, put in science. That's what I do. That's that's what
I think my work is about. Therefore, we know by now that why
we put our energy is what materializes on the earthplane. We know that to
be true. If I sit and think to it long enough, I'm give
myself a headache, if that's my intention. So as much as we're outraged
and angry, there also has to be a period of okay, we need
to bring in. It sounds so corny, but it's true when it almost
be bringing the balance as well, love for ourselves. Have a night off
it sometimes, Yeah, absolutely, because we can drive ourselves mad with this.
Yeah, that's what it's intended for. It's interest in having an eye
off. I'll repeat this story. I said it last month, but for
those that haven't known this story, I think it's worth repeating, as you
guys are here anyway, because you haven't heard it, have an eye off.
There's a guy that we interviewed about a year and a half ago.
I forget his name, Robert, I think, and he told us a
very interesting story. He knows a bus driver, very kind of basically down
to a conventional job. But the guy is actually very very psychic and mediumistic.
You know. So when I've done talks about this strug, I call
him Reg Farni because I add on the buses. People can identify that in
the UK anyway, if you're a certain age like me, you know.
But anyway, this this this guy, he's having contact with spirit all the
time. And one of the things that's happened to him is that he was
laying in his bed to sleep and he was woken up by spirits or someone
saying go downstairs, go downstairs there, and being really imperative, you must
go downstairs to the living room. And he just said, oh, no,
I want to go to sleep, and they said, no, please
go downstairs. There's something really important. So the guy, reluckily he got
out of bed went downstairs. And as he went downstairs, he noticed his
living room door was open and there was a blue light coming from the living
room, and he thought, did I not did I forget to draw the
curtains? You know? Is there like a street lamp shining into my living
room? So he went into the living room and the sources of this blue
light was three huge, tall humanoid beans in his living room. Two were
sitting on the sofa, the other one was standing up. He described them
as almost like wizards, if you're like long downs wearing staff's long beards,
long hair. So I'm thinking something like Gandalf. That's the kind of thing
I got in my head. And they said thank you for coming down,
says we've got something to tell you very important. And this was probably going
about maybe two to three years ago now when this post possibly occurred. And
they said, things are going to get really bad, really bad. So
everybody says, but you're not to worry about other people. They said to
him, just be concerned for yourself, don't worry about other people. Don't
take on other people's problems. And they said, pay attention to America because
whatever happens in America will affect this country. So they're also talking geographically quite
yeah, And they said, but just don't concern himself, you know,
don't worry too much about other people. And where these people vanished and not.
I don't know how that wraps itself up in the end. But apparently
this spirit that the spokesperson of this trio was known as Barnabas and apparently he's
something to do with UFOs, blind sources, aliens, that kind of thing,
so I'm told, rather than a conventional spirit or spirit, but spiritual
nevertheless, I guess. And anyway, maybe a year later, I think
the illness hit us, the COVID from China, and this guy was apparently
still getting worried getting involved in people's problems, and he was walking through his
hallway and out of the living room came this tall being again like a year
later. Well, he said, I've told you not to get involved in
people's problems. You're getting yourself too worried about people's problem. And he put
his arms around him with his cloak and get him a great by can't bear
hug, and then this guy just vanished. And the guy thought, whoa,
that was weird. So he went into the kitchen to get a cup
of tea. But he went and caught himself on something. He realized that
somehow he's wearing this guy's cloak now on the door handle as he went in
to get himself a cup of tea or something. So but I was thinking,
well, where is this cloak, this spiritual cloak. I want to
see it if it's still aware or did it slowly fade away itself. But
basically the message was the important thing is that they seem to be aware that
things are going to get bad, and that's why they told this guy,
you know, don't get to involve. But they're obviously give them their heads
up on this sort of thing, so they're definitely aware that something's in the
air as it were. This is massive. I mean, this has been
predicted since time began, really, hasn't it. You know, this is
I call it the final battle between God and Satan, and everything else goes
in. It's already playing out. We can devote our lives to every minute
detail of this and get very poorly and be very low vibrational, or we
can say, you know, I see what's going on. I'm having no
part of it. I'll make my decisions when the time comes, and I'm
going to live a good life. That's what they don't want. They don't
want joy, they don't want laughter. They can't do anything with it,
they don't relate to it. I believe they're not even of our DNA.
That's a whole other subject. I don't even think they're human, nor do
I Andrew, nor do I. They could have behaved like this if they
were. Hence why they're so again a very off tangent spirit. We will
be looked after if when we start to look after ourselves and raise our consciousness
above this ship show. We're being played out. Yeah, I call it
a movie, and it's a crap movie. It's boring, boring. I'm
going to go out to the foyer, whether we yeah for this name more?
Okay, So we're drawing to a close here now. So obviously you
do your mediumistic demonstrations and readings of people. So maybe if people want to
find out more about you, You've got a few things you can tell us
about, haven't you. So what's the first my website? Maybe first part
call is www dot Jane Hartshorn James dot com. I've got a Jane Hartstrom
page on Facebook. Mark can do is okay? So mind's Marcaskwon dot co
dot UK. That's the website, and there's a Facebook page called Soulful Connections.
You can look at that. And then just after Christmas we invented heart
Hub, where we tried to get spiritual and personal development all under one roof,
and we run that via YouTube. There is a Facebook page called heart
Hub HRT hyphen Hub and there's plenty free content on YouTube. Is there a
better plug than that, Mark for half hub or no? I think the
Facebook page is good, isn't it? And then it'll do that. From
that you find links to our material on YouTube. Okay, excellent? And
you still run a psychic developing circle Jane I do. I'm going to restart
it again in the new year, not this year. So that's where I
literally teach people how to develop their own psychic and mediumistic abilities if they fancy
it. So all very easy going. I'm quite a patient teacher, art
teacher from scratch. And that's in Dorchester. It is, yeah, Dorchester
in in in the UK for anyone that's in that area, and that would
be on a Thursday evening, Thursday evening. It was a Thursday evening.
It was yeah, cooled, but half seven. Yeah, presumably the same
place where you do the It will be when I arrange it, but I
haven't got anything down on okay, so so stay for those people, get
onto Facebook, go to heartshub and Jane and put the details out there when
definitely definitely the other stuff. Yeah okay, Well, thank you very very
much indeed, Mark and Jane for joining us. It's been fascinating for ours.
We've covered a lot of stuff there to get our teeth into and conversation
and it's great refreshing to listen to people with a sympathetic ear like ourselves,
I hope anyway, and likewise to come back to that sort of thing we
find it incredibly frustrating when we can beenture out into the world and everyone's sort
of going down that like a narrow band of thinking, you know, the
sheep pen sort of style of thinking. But it's kind of refreshing here on
the Paranormal Peep Show that we are talking about alternative things, not just spiritual
stuff, but alternative for ways of looking and things. But I suppose I
better say, officially for the powers that be, please check the World Health
Organization for all your latest medical updates. Everybody you know mentioned the advice of
that. You know, I'm sure that that's the most important thing that everybody
should be listening to. Now look after you know, I vest did interests
whatsoever. Of course, all that note, I've got a few final words
as well. I want to appeal to all of those people listening to this
that have got a where what we're talking about resonates with them, and all
the people who realize that we are in a spiritual battle and a spiritual warfare.
And I want to say that we need to approach this from almost a
Shaolin monk perspective. The Shaolin monks are the monks in China who basically created
kung fures of years ago, possibly thousands of years ago, and they wanted
to just be left alone. And they're into peace, and they're into meditation,
and they're into doing things peacefully but also strength. The reason kung fu
was developed was because they were originally almost annihilated through war through tribes attacking them.
Only a few of them survived, and they then created kung fu to
defend themselves. We are in that same situation as humanity. So we just
as libertarians, we just want to be left alone. But unfortunately we have
a very dark, very evil force that wants to wipe us out. So
the people that are listening, I want you to see if you can work
out for yourself what you can do to undermine the lies that we're being told
and how we might be able to take down the darkness in a non violent
and legal way. So whether and I know that there are good and bad
in all walks of life, whether it's the military, the police, the
secret services, the CIA, MI five, I six, whatever, there
are good and bad in everything, and I know there will be some good
people. And I want to basically speak out to the good people in the
police and the military and the secret services. Do you want your children grandchildren
to grow up in an absolute hellhole, a communist, fascist social credits system
hellhole, or do you want people to go up in freedom and liberty.
That's the choice that you've got. If you're listening to this, can you
please think of ways? Of course, we can't do that. We're not
in those circles to take down the darkness. There are people who need arresting,
there are files that need being brought to court of people that want to
kill us. Have a little thin search your soul. I know your mortgage
might be on the line, I know your reputation might be on the line,
and I know your credibility, etc. Might be on the line.
But we are really in a do or die situation. Can you please do
something about it? And that's all I want to say on that. Okay,
thank you, wise words indeed, thanks Andy, right, well,
thank you very much once again. Catch us next month on the Paranormal Peep
Show thanks to our guest Mark and Jane wantsmore. Catch us next month on
the Paranoral Peep Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. And we're on Spreaker,
We're on YouTube, we're on Rumble and many other audio platforms that I
can think of, but they're the ones that come to mind. So hopefully
you've taken away in some bits of information here that might be worth pondering on,
as it were in part one and part two. Thanks very much indeed
for listening, and we'll see an X amount I'll buy now take care then
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