1 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:19,359 Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and 2 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,440 David Harsani. Just a reminder, if you would like to email the show, 3 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,640 please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd love to 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,559 hear from you. Mally, How are you doing, I'm doing great. 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,600 How are you doing? I'm doing well? Usually and typically this podcast, 6 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:39,679 will you know, you and I just have discussion reacting to whatever's going on 7 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:43,320 in the news, and I think that's a fine thing to do. I 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,960 think people enjoy it. But we're going to take this podcast and I think 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:55,119 a just have a broader conversation on what our expectation should be for the twenty 10 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,479 twenty four election. How is it going to play out, What should listeners 11 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,480 be looking for, you know, and what issues might pop up that they 12 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,560 haven't even thought about, or maybe issues are going to pop up again that 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,239 we've already had to deal with in the past. So I'd like to start 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:19,599 by talking about election integrity, right, So, just a broad question. 15 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:25,959 Have things gotten better? Have states most states like tightened up this thing? 16 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,359 Or are we going to have the same exact thing happen again. It's a 17 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:34,519 complicated question. It's one that doesn't have like a yes or no answer, 18 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:42,439 because each state, according to the Constitution, handles its own elections its own 19 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,680 way, and so a lot of the places that were concerned about what happened 20 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,359 in twenty twenty were red states. So in red states you have had some 21 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:55,959 improvements in different ways, whether you know, tightening up of election security and 22 00:01:55,959 --> 00:02:00,560 integrity, and then in some places it's gotten worse. And I think each 23 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,560 one of those things we can talk about a little bit in detail, but 24 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,000 can I just kind of take a step back and paint like a really big 25 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:13,039 picture that I think is important for people to understand. So for a long 26 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,840 period of time, elections in this country were really built around the idea of 27 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:23,759 an election day, that you would go through a campaign together as a country, 28 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,199 and then you would all go vote on the same day, and then 29 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,560 later that night or soon thereafter, you would find out who had won each 30 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,719 state and who had won the election. And when you were doing elections that 31 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:42,520 way, it was like a very shared cultural experience. You were talking about 32 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:50,319 issues together. You were also really requiring a certain amount of enthusiasm to be 33 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,800 in play to affect the outcome of the vote, and so if you had 34 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,560 people who were generally one side or the other, but one side wasn't super 35 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,319 jazzed about things, but the other side was super jazzed about something, you 36 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,439 know, you could kind of affect elections that way. It would determine the 37 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:10,879 winner. And we really do not have that anymore. When we were under 38 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,719 the old system, there used to be concern about certain municipalities, you know, 39 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:23,120 a Philadelphia, a Detroit, a Chicago, where they had machines and 40 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,719 I don't mean by that actual you know, clickity clack machines, I mean 41 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,479 like operations to drive up the votes in a particular area, to affect statewide 42 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:38,759 elections or local elections as well. And so you might see union operatives or 43 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:46,120 mobsters or other people who were involved in like literally driving around and getting people 44 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,400 into the voting booth, maybe paying them, maybe incentivizing them, you know, 45 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:57,199 through threats or incentives, making sure that they actually showed up to vote. 46 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,639 And the way that we do elections now has turned that machine system into 47 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:10,280 a nationwide prospect or more accurately, has allowed machines to operate when and where 48 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:15,240 needed, and not to just do it with the physical limitations of a single 49 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,399 location on election day, but to do it without geographical limitations, without time 50 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:28,279 restrictions, for weeks and in some cases months ahead of election day. I 51 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,720 have more to say, but I don't want to just drown on here. 52 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,759 No, I mean, so let me ask you before you go on. 53 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Actually, so let me ask you this. So we used to have an 54 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,800 election day, Now we have an election season. I would say, is 55 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:45,000 it worth trying to fight to bring back that election day? Or should Republicans 56 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,199 for the most part, simply give up on that notion and fight and change 57 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,920 the way that they're looking at this? Like Donald Trump always is kind of 58 00:04:53,079 --> 00:05:00,199 hoopooing mail ballots, let's say, and that kind of undermines himself because you're 59 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:02,839 going to need people to be mailing in those ballots themselves, because sometimes on 60 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:05,800 election day it's raining, or people get lazy or whatever it is. It's 61 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:10,040 much, you know, so you lose votes that way. Just making that 62 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,120 up, but that's just what I believe is true, you know, is 63 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,680 probably happened. So should Republicans change the way they look at elections or should 64 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,160 Republicans be fighting to bring back how it was? So my personal views are 65 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:21,600 kind of at odds with the political views. So if I can just say, 66 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:25,040 first up, I think it's very bad for a country to have an 67 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:30,079 election season without a lot of I think it's just bad. It's just unhealthy. 68 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,199 You can be spending, you can be having millions of votes coming in 69 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,560 weeks ahead of a debate. It's just it's not a good way to make 70 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,279 decisions. You want an informed populace. You don't want it to just be 71 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,079 like whoever has the most money to harvest ballots wins. And I keep thinking 72 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,040 of something that former Attorney General Barr told me when I was writing the book 73 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:57,879 Rigged, about how telling people they can decide on who they're going to vote 74 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:00,439 for at any point in the election season, as opposed to at the end 75 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,600 of the election season is like telling a jury that they can come to a 76 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,279 verdict at any point in a trial. It's just not a good It's just 77 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:15,279 there's no good order to it. So, while all sorts of things that 78 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:18,879 affect the integrity of an election actually pull really well with Americans, things like 79 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,120 should you show that you really are who you are before you vote? That 80 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,040 polls very well. Despite Joe Biden saying that means you support Jim Crow, 81 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:36,759 the vast majority of everybody believes in ID to vote or other types of you 82 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,759 know, should you if someone is mail in balloting, should you check their 83 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,120 signature? You know, things like that. They're all very popular. However, 84 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,759 mail in balloting itself is also very popular, so my views are at 85 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:56,920 odds with most Americans. Americans really like to have unsupervised mail out ballots with 86 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,360 like with all the chaos that it brings, And I would just say, 87 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,079 if you're going to do it, you should do it more along the lines 88 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,439 of Florida than in New York. You know, there are certain states that 89 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,920 do it better with more integrity than others. And so one of the problems 90 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,879 with twenty twenty was the mad rush to mail in balloting where people weren't able 91 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:20,399 to, like really do it in a thoughtful, slow way. But you 92 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:25,839 are absolutely correct that if you don't play the game according to the rules as 93 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:30,000 they are currently written, you'll just never win elections. So Republicans, I 94 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,680 could not understand better the dislike of mail in balloting. I personally don't support 95 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,480 it, and I don't do it myself. But you have to bank ballots 96 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:46,040 well ahead of election day if you want to be competitive So just to quick 97 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,079 aside, we see polls right and they've barely like, no matter what happens 98 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,360 with Donald Trump in court, whatever they're not, they don't move that much. 99 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,279 So elections have basically come down to I think you are you know you've 100 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:00,759 said this or you've argued about this, that they basically come down to who. 101 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:03,480 It's not convincing people to vote for you, it's how many people who 102 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:09,199 already support you can you get out to vote? Right? So largely so 103 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:15,800 are Republicans prepared for that in twenty twenty four? Do you think that they've 104 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:20,319 come to terms without reality or not? Okay, so it's a state by 105 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,000 state question there, But I just also want to, you know, just 106 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,079 take a little step back. When you and I were younger, do you 107 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,279 remember how concerned people were about low information voters. It used to be a 108 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,320 bipartisan concern that people were voting for this candidate or another, this policy or 109 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,399 another without really knowing who they were voting for what they were voting for. 110 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:48,879 That has gone completely away because now you just have massive ballot trafficking operations that 111 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:56,919 are financed by left wing billionaires mostly but now also by your taxpayer dollars that 112 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,679 are focused on getting Democrat constituents see ballots into the ballot box. And this 113 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,080 means people who may or may not know that there is an election, They 114 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,759 may or may not know who is running, they may not know anything about 115 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,960 the issues in play. The new thing is just to make sure that if 116 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,799 that person has ever been registered at that address, or if someone can be 117 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,120 said to have registered at that address and can be said to have a pulse 118 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,960 or whatever, you get a ballot associated with that person into the ballot box. 119 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:35,519 And it's the nature of the demographic differences in between Democrats and Republicans that 120 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,600 it's a much easier thing for Democrats to do than Republicans. So Democrats can 121 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:46,600 go to you know, inside a city, an apartment building that houses you 122 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,000 know, like a certain number of people and just kind of like go floor 123 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,960 to floor, whereas with Republicans they are, you know, having to figure 124 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:58,080 out how to harvest ballots, you know, in the over the hills and 125 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,360 through the dales, and so it's like a less there's some challenges built into 126 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,759 it. They're best conquered on a state by state basis. Some states are 127 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,519 actually doing a good job with it. You have some efforts in Pennsylvania and 128 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,559 a lot of you know, I think money, energy, and effort to 129 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:22,720 work on a ballot harvesting operation there for Republicans. You've seen some in Arizona, 130 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:28,120 a lot of money and energy being deployed there, but it really needs 131 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,279 to happen in a comprehensive way. I'm a little bit nervous that like the 132 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:41,159 RNC isn't aware of it. They did recently start a Swamp your Vote initiative 133 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,679 a couple of weeks ago that is supposed to address some of this, but 134 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,480 I'm just I'm a little nervous just to go back to something you said, 135 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:54,080 if you really want to have people yell at you tell them that people that 136 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,720 voters have a c that citizens have a civic duty not to vote if they 137 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:05,440 don't know what's going on. Like voting has become this right ri of democracy 138 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,960 where we have convinced everyone that the voting is the most important thing they can 139 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,639 do to be a good citizen, when it's not true. The most important 140 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,120 thing they can do to be a good citizen is be aware and educate themselves 141 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,120 on what's going on and then vote right. And by the way, there 142 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,639 are many, many highly educated people who vote like they don't know what they're 143 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,679 talking about either. So I'm not saying like you have to have an IVY 144 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,399 Lead degree to be voting. It's not a class thing. But I think 145 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,360 that you have to have some recognition and understanding of what's going on before you're 146 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,720 going out there. But we've created this society, we're voting itself without any 147 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:45,320 of the responsibilities to go along with it is like the driving force of a 148 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,879 healthy democracy, which is not true. So in any event, so I 149 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,679 feel you on that ground. And when we just mail people ballots, like 150 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,759 people who maybe don't even really want to vote or have no interest in it, 151 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:58,960 they'll just pick it up and do it because it's right in front of 152 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,879 them. I don't think that's speaks to a healthy democratic or republic, you 153 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:05,960 know what I mean. And places like I believe, does Colorado have an 154 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,799 all mail in ballot election? They might believe so an organ I mean that 155 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,399 does that is insane. I mean, I just think that that is a 156 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,639 way to really undermine what your civic you know, the civic duty of you 157 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,120 know that you have in society, and you know, I don't know if 158 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:26,600 people realize like ten percent of the country moves each year, and some places 159 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:33,480 have automatic voter registration or major efforts to get people registered with populous, with 160 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,000 the populace that at least that many are moving in there out each year. 161 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,559 And so you take a place like Nevada, where you have a very trangent 162 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:48,120 population moving in moving out automatically registered, you will see with their automatic mail 163 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:54,720 in voting. You know, you'll see doors with just dozens of ballots in 164 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,960 front of them because they are in apartment buildings where people are known for moving 165 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,879 in and out of quite regularly. How do they auto register you? Is 166 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:07,120 it with your driver's license usually or something. Different states have different rules. 167 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,519 Yeah, so maybe when you interact with the government, you get registered at 168 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,919 that moment. So that's a big thing that we talked, you know, 169 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,120 previously on the show about zucker Bucks, which was something that my book Rigged 170 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,360 dealt with a lot. And this was the effort by Mark Zuckerberg where he 171 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:28,960 gave hundreds of millions of dollars to two left wing organizations staffed by Democrat operatives, 172 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,240 who then funneled money into the primarily into the blue areas of swing states. 173 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:41,159 So they did the entire get out the vote operation, again mostly in 174 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,159 the blue areas of swing states, and it had a profound effect on the 175 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,080 elections. You get super super turnout in a blue area of a swing state 176 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,080 and you can control the presidency. You know. And after that happened, 177 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:58,639 it became quite controversial, but Joe Biden understood that's how he was elected. 178 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Shortly after he got into office, he issued an executive order for Biden Bucks 179 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,639 and this is where every single federal agency in the under his control had to 180 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:20,159 come up with a plan for how they could help target government benefit groups for 181 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,960 registration and get out the vote efforts, and they kept they have kept those 182 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,320 plans secret. To a large degree. A broad coalition of reporters has been 183 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,559 doing really good work trying to figure out exactly how this is working. You 184 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,720 got like an unlimited federal budget where people say, you know, for instance, 185 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,879 it used to be that you were not supposed to take beneficiaries of federal 186 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:50,240 programs in college and use those for politicking or any kind of election related activity. 187 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,600 And under Biden's watch, that's been flipped on its head, and in 188 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:58,919 fact, you're supposed to use it to register people on college campuses, which 189 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:03,000 of course are like one thousand percent Democrat, or you know, you take 190 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:09,240 offices that hand out welfare benefits and say would you like to keep these going 191 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,879 by registering to vote right now for the party that you know we want you 192 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,639 to vote for. And so it's like all sorts of ethical problems related to 193 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,879 this. And I also I'm not sure Republicans have I mean, it's just 194 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:28,200 one of these like frustrations. We first reported this at the Federalists years ago, 195 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:31,919 and Congress there is a committee in Congress that has looked into it. 196 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,960 But just like the general lase fair attitude that a lot of these Republicans in 197 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:43,639 Congress have toward this corruption of our election system with taxpayer dollars is a little 198 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:50,279 disappointing. These jobs reports are just a movie trailer for a bad movie. 199 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,559 Watched Out on Wall Street Podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack 200 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,279 the connection between politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet. The 201 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,480 month of May, Bailey created any full time jobs, mostly from their government, 202 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 and tons of part time jobs. The headline number may look good, 203 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,200 but the rest of it is a dud. Whether it's happening in DC or 204 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,159 down on Wall Street. It's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check out 205 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,960 the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever 206 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,759 you get your podcasts. Well, can I ask you a question about Biden 207 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:25,799 bucks? So I'm assuming these are federal dollars. I don't know where they've 208 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:29,799 been procured from. Sound like Biden should be able to do this, you 209 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,440 know, latterly. But yeah, elections are run by the state, So 210 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,200 does how does it work? Did they go to a school that gets federal 211 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:44,200 money or like how is it dispersed? So it's interesting you're you're doing. 212 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,320 You know, it's federal funds that just go to get out the vote efforts, 213 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,759 which can include voter registration and other get out to vote efforts. So 214 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:55,679 the elections themselves are run by the states. But you know, you can 215 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:02,080 set up your student aid office to register people to vote and then that can 216 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,039 get Then also then you can say, well, we're not doing it in 217 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,640 partisan way. We're just also driving people where like we're picking up their ballots 218 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,920 and we're taking them in. When you do it in when you do it 219 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,640 with one population and not with another, it's election interference. You know, 220 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,640 if it's not like the same benefit is given to everybody, then I really 221 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,359 target it. Yeah, so it's not given to private get out the vote 222 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:33,880 groups. It's given to government entities that are trying that are supposedly asked, 223 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,160 you know, trying to get out the vote. And as you say, 224 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,079 if it's not dispersed evenly to all kinds of populations, then you can just 225 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,799 target the voters that you want. And it sounds like Tamony Hall or something 226 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,200 like that. And even like you know, state Department is making sure to 227 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,240 register people who don't live in the country who are American citizens, which is 228 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:56,119 like, okay, fine, also overwhelmingly Democrat. It just happens to be 229 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:00,079 that all of the people that Biden is, all the constituents sees that the 230 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:06,039 Biden bucks are going to are just overwhelmingly Democrat constituencies. And this does you 231 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:08,720 know, we're in very tight elections in this country. The twenty twenty election 232 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:14,000 came down to forty three thousand votes across three states. Like a little bit 233 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,799 here and a little bit there matters a lot, and we are talking massive 234 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,319 federal interference. Oh but I was going to mention some state based officials have 235 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,079 taken action against these Biden Bucks programs, saying that it's an inappropriate infiltration of 236 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:33,880 the federal government into state administration of elections, including like when you're registering people 237 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,920 to vote as a federal entity, that's in violation of our state law. 238 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,079 So it depends on what your state laws are in different places, but people 239 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,839 have taken action. It sounds to me like this. You know, red 240 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,880 states will be like this is unfair. We have to stop these programs, 241 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,240 all these programs, but blue states aren't going to say that. So in 242 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,720 essence, you're almost you know, you limit it within your own state, 243 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,359 but the other state is probably expanding this kind of thing. Am I wrong? 244 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:00,799 Like you know what I mean? I mean, you're not going to 245 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,799 stop in New York from finding new voters, but you are going to stop 246 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,240 it maybe in eras yet stay like Arizona, but maybe like Florida. Well 247 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,000 could you take like a state like Idaho. Let's say where it is a 248 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:17,039 red state, but it's turning blue with the importation of a lot of Californians, 249 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:22,240 Oregonians and Washingtonians and it has very liberal campuses. So if a red 250 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,480 state decides there that they don't want that Democrat takeover of their elections that way, 251 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,720 that would not be an unwise thing for them to do. Now, 252 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:33,680 I do want to say this is one of the interesting things. And the 253 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,519 New York Times has kind of raised the alarm about how they are realizing that 254 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,920 some of the get out the vote efforts that Democrats are doing are registering their 255 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,240 political opponents to vote. It's not just about registration. That's one thing I 256 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:53,359 wish like Republicans tend to believe like in this self discipline and self government kind 257 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,960 of thing, and it's like, it's your responsibility to register to vote and 258 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000 go out and vote. And Democrats are like, would you like help care 259 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,039 carrying your ballot from your kitchen table to the threshold of your door. Would 260 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,799 you like help filling this out? Would you like someone to come and explain 261 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:08,839 the issues to you? Would you like someone, you know, to get 262 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:12,680 this into the ballot box? Like they're helping you every step of the way 263 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:18,480 and thereby influencing your vote. You know, Hi, you have not been 264 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,599 ruled sentient by a court of law. Would you like me to fill out 265 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,839 your ballot in this nursing home along with everybody else's you know what I mean, 266 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Like they're really sort of crafty, and it's very difficult to determine problems 267 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:37,799 conclusively, and so Republicans should be taking advantage of these registrations and doing the 268 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,000 harvesting as well. So I just hate it because I think it should be 269 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:45,000 harder to vote, and people get mad at that, but I think that 270 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,559 if it really is the sacred thing then they're doing, you should have to 271 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:49,160 put a minimal amount of effort into wanting to do it. I think, 272 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,400 you know, and you're right, and Republicans, if they want to compete, 273 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,880 they're going to have to kind of do the same thing. So you 274 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,240 were a book called Rigged, which, when you know it took a deep, 275 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,400 super deep dive into a lot of these problems. And one of the 276 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,720 other aspects you speak about in that book that I don't want to spend too 277 00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:11,519 What we don't want to spend too much time on right now because we quite 278 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:18,519 often is the media. So in your estimation, the election is rigged because 279 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,799 we don't really have a media anymore. That's part of the problem, correct, 280 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,920 So, just objectively speaking, one of the metrics by which international observers 281 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:33,079 judge the fairness, freeness, and legitimacy of an election is if it takes 282 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:41,960 place in a non propaganda news environment. And with the demise of corporate media, 283 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,079 you know, ethics in recent years, we really do have a problem 284 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,960 in this country about whether we're outside of a propaganda environment. So one of 285 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,880 the things that you'd seen in polls for the last few months is that all 286 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:02,359 sorts of demographic groups are overwhelmingly not overwhelmer. They're moving in dramatic and interesting 287 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,200 fashion toward Trump and away from Clinton. There's this one group that is not 288 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,079 and it's seniors. And by the way, that's a very good group to 289 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,359 have. Joe Biden is very blessed to have seniors. They're committed to voting, 290 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,559 they don't need a lot of work to get out and vote, and 291 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,519 they're reliable, and they are kind of sticking with him. And you look 292 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,240 at it and you think, God, shouldn't seniors care more about the direction 293 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,839 of the country than like a millennial. I mean, not that you don't 294 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:30,960 care as a millennial. That sounded horrible, but you know what I mean, 295 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:34,440 Like you would kind of assume, if you were being prejudicial here, 296 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:40,480 that they wouldn't like what he's doing to the country, and yet they're kind 297 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,839 of sticking with him. And I do believe that A big reason why is 298 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,759 some of the only people watching corporate media news shows are seniors, and so 299 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,279 you'll look at something, you know, Joe Biden does something, whether it's 300 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:59,000 imprisoning his political opponents or trying to imprison his political opponents, or you know, 301 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,279 coming up with the executive orders on the border, and you watch the 302 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:10,319 media coverage of it and it's just straight one percent propaganda. And combined with 303 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,359 that, you have a regime that has shut down or attempted to shut down 304 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:22,440 alternate voices in the media and people who say something contrary to what CBS News 305 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:29,079 says, and that does render an election less secure. Absolutely well. I 306 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,839 will say it's clear that a lot of people aren't watching, or a fewer 307 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,240 and few people watching, you know, establishment media, But I will say 308 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,440 that they still I think, sort of set the agenda the conversation. The 309 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,200 narratives they come up with seep into the national conversation. So I do think 310 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:49,519 that sometimes they're more important than we maybe would give them credit for in some 311 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:55,799 ways. But anyway, let's move on. So you mentioned censorship, which 312 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,799 the media was part of. It was worse because I think the media can 313 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:06,279 concocted all kinds of conspiracies that didn't exist. But so let's talk now about 314 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:11,200 like tech social media platforms, and that's where most people get or a lot 315 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,160 of people get their news, and a lot of people have their conversations. 316 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:22,079 There was a ton of sort of concerted censorship, like the Hunter Biden laptop 317 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,640 story, for instance, which wasn't really about Hunter Biden. It was about 318 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,519 Joe Biden, but you know, you had you had the former CIA and 319 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:33,559 other you know, government officials saying it was Russian propaganda, the media sort 320 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,559 of going along with that, and then tech companies banning mentions of the story. 321 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,559 So do you think that that the DOJ and others kind of worked with 322 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,599 these tech companies to ban speech and political speech, are going to be able 323 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,119 to get away with that again this time? Or are is there just enough 324 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:55,599 skepticism of what they're doing that they want Oh my goodness, um alarmed that 325 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,000 you even ask the question that was I'm trying to be the interviewer. Here're 326 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:06,079 okay again, if we can take it back to twenty sixteen, what happened 327 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,519 that election? Cycle was that Donald Trump was able to circumvent corporate media and 328 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:14,960 take his message directly to the American people, and they liked it, and 329 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,759 they voted and elected him president. And it was a huge wake up call 330 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:23,000 to Silicon Valley and they were very upset. And there is contemporaneous reporting. 331 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,359 Alan Bacari wrote a really interesting book about some of this stuff too, where 332 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:33,480 the day after that election, you have people openly saying we will never again 333 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,319 let what happened you know here, happen again. And what they meant by 334 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:44,920 that was that with corporate media completely becoming propaganda for the Democrat Party, they 335 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:51,720 also would do that, and so they instituted some draconian algorithmic game playing to 336 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,880 suppress news and information they didn't like, to elevate news and information that they 337 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,079 wanted to, you know, get out there. And they did it across 338 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,799 like every issue that people vote on and every candidate they vote on, and 339 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,839 is so it is so dystopic what we've been living through since twenty sixteen, 340 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,119 and it gets worse and worse, and then the more it's entrenched, the 341 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:17,960 more difficult it is to go back from any of that. And so yes, 342 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,319 in twenty twenty, we saw how censorship can affect an election with the 343 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:33,519 horrific situation of with the government help social media companies shutting down discussion of the 344 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:41,839 Biden family corruption, journalism about the Biden family corruption from the oldest continuously publishing 345 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:48,000 newspaper in America, I mean amazing First Amendment violations. It wasn't just about 346 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,559 that, which was inarguably the most important campaign story of that cycle, but 347 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,519 also everything you know, COVID and trans issues and race issues and everything. 348 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:03,119 The censorship from corporate media was ridiculous. You also had it where, you 349 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,480 know, you saw things like on Twitter, which at that time was not 350 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:11,039 owned by Elon Musk. If you pushed a conspiracy theory that Donald Trump was 351 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,960 personally like stealing mailboxes to keep people from mail in voting, that was fine. 352 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,720 If you said something like we all know that mail in balloting is less 353 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:25,319 secure than in person voting, which is true for obvious and logical reasons, 354 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:27,880 you would be censored. Not just censored from that story, but like your 355 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,720 whole publication would be censored, your your whole you know, it wasn't just 356 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,400 that tweet that was censored. Every tweet from you would be downplayed, blacklisted. 357 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:45,240 It's horrible. The State Department, which the Federalist is suing right now 358 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:51,079 for its role in the censorship industrial complex, you know, has helped fund 359 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:59,319 and market many censorship tools to be used against the American people in violation of 360 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:06,079 our first men rights, and those are like entrenched now in the ecosphere. 361 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:12,440 And I have thought a lot about election administration, and I genuinely believe all 362 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,319 these problems, like the Biden Bucks and the zuck Bucks and the mail Atbalot, 363 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,440 like all of that is super important and huge and is a tiny fraction 364 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:26,079 of the problem caused by social media censorship in this country, which I think 365 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,519 affects millions upon millions of votes. I think when you say, like, 366 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,119 how is it possible that the sensible people here are not winning the day on 367 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,920 this issue or that, I think it's I think it's big tech more than 368 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,319 anything. Really, Okay, let me push back on that. I'm not 369 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,079 saying that you're wrong that it is a big deal. It's a big deal 370 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,599 to me because kind of mass censorship of courses is problematic and if you let 371 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,920 it be normalized, it becomes worse and worse. But I just feel like 372 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:59,200 the Internet is a place where in the end this stuff gets through in some 373 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,680 way anyway. It's very hard to control. When you had three networks, 374 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,319 it was easy to control the message. It's far more difficult now with all 375 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,519 are site or others. Now. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but 376 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:14,559 I just don't feel that most people are on Twitter getting their views. I 377 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,680 think people who are politically involved are on Twitter getting their views and they don't 378 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,400 change their mind very much. Am I wrong about that? I feel like 379 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,759 you're just backing me up here though, That's what I'm kind of saying. 380 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,920 Like, but you're saying it's more important that administration of an election. I 381 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,960 don't know, is it. I mean, you know, our male ballots 382 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,319 being just handed out to everyone. Isn't that more dangerous than stopping people from 383 00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,200 talking about those stories? But what I meant not about Well, first of 384 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:44,359 all, I think violations of first moment rights are actually I think that's worse 385 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:51,400 than election interference, as bad as election interferences, And it's all related to 386 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,400 self government, right, Like, if we don't have the if we don't 387 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:59,279 have the ability to seek truth and argue for truth and convince other people of 388 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,279 truth, it's the same thing as like election interference, where you don't have 389 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:03,960 the right to pick your own people to I totally agree. I just want 390 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,559 to just clarify, I mean, how much it has affected the election. 391 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,000 I don't think okay, as far as how much it has affected the election, 392 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,200 I do believe censorship is a much bigger player than all of the other 393 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,039 issues combined. It is so subtle and so entrenched, and it's so every 394 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,359 you know, people don't realize how much you know. Clicking on this story 395 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,920 for us is that you take, for example, you want to learn something 396 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,079 about like what happened to George Floyd, and you search into Google and Google 397 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,720 has blacklisted every single website that will tell you something accurate about it, and 398 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,279 instead it says, here's what the New York Times says about it. Whatever 399 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,480 happened? What was the Russia collusion? What's going on there? You want 400 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,759 to you know, who did a really great job with hard, factual reporting 401 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,119 on every aspect of that, the Federalist Google it and see what comes up. 402 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:57,319 It will be the places that peddled the Russia collusion hoax that are given 403 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:03,960 to you on a platter. You remember that old saying about how Osama bin 404 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,240 Lauden was hard to find, and that they finally found him on the second 405 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:12,359 page of Google results, like the joke being that's that's an impossible place to 406 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,400 find anything. We'll try the twentieth page of Google results, you know, 407 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:21,400 where the first page is this left wing site and that left wing site, 408 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680 and you know, everything is like pushing it, and then that becomes what 409 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,160 Wikipedia says, and that's what feeds into the AI system, so that you 410 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,440 know, it's just overwhelming and actually can cause me to despair a little bit, 411 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,480 so we should probably move on. But the way people affects the way 412 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,839 people think about every issue. You know, he takes something like trans issues. 413 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,960 Polling shows that even the vast majority of Democrats are like, no, 414 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,720 I don't believe men should be allowed to play on girls teams. And yet 415 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,680 you watch the media and you do your Google search, and everything will be 416 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,480 like fed to you like you're the crazy person for thinking that men shouldn't be 417 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:57,839 on girls' sports teams, you know, and then that effects who you vote 418 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,240 for and what you think is normal and et cetera, et cetera. That's 419 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,160 fair enough. But here's the thing. So when I put something into Google. 420 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Yeah, I'll get some left wing site explaining it to me as the 421 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:14,480 top you know entry, or I'll get Wikipedia, some demented person had gone 422 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,799 in there and given their own explanation for whatever it is. So I totally 423 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:21,079 agree with that, And I also agree obviously that you have a press that 424 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,319 I don't even like calling it that anymore. You have this media that lies 425 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:28,680 to you. But what is the solution to that? You can't I mean, 426 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,559 in the end, we can't force a bunch of private entities. And 427 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,680 I'm not even talking about Google, which people will argue, let's say, 428 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,680 is some kind of utility, but I'm talking about CBS or CNN or whatever. 429 00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,440 I mean, how are you going to force people to be fairer? 430 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,960 What is the way to do? There is no real way to accomplish that, 431 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,880 is there. I mean, what do we do? How do we 432 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,640 fix this? So some of what's happening with big tech and government to censor 433 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,880 competing news outlets to these left wing media outlets is something that action should be 434 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:07,039 taken against. That that's an unfair intervention into a free market that artificially sustains 435 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:13,319 these left wing propaganda outlets. But no, I think like in a free 436 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,359 country, you're allowed to spread lies, or you should be. But what 437 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,039 we've got right now that's very bad is if you are spreading lies about russiaclusion 438 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:27,240 or COVID response, or Brett Kavanaugh or Justice Salito or like any number of 439 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,920 people, you are allowed and even you benefit from doing that, and if 440 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:39,039 you speak truth about it you get harmed. That is not sustainable. Yeah, 441 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,759 I'm a weird. I'm a market guy, so I'm always like the 442 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,200 market will correct itself and stuff like that. But I have been dismayed that 443 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,799 like the Washington Post can lose tens of millions of dollars, or a place 444 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:55,079 like the Atlanta can be dropped up by some rich person frankly to disseminates disinformation 445 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,920 and there's no real correction, Like there's no one. I know that people 446 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,039 the Post got fired recently. But it's not like someone comes in and goes, 447 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,119 hey, you know, maybe we should be fair. They just kind 448 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,840 of like doubled down, okay, and what they've been doing, you're the 449 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:15,119 one being foolish here. I think a lot of people think these these media 450 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:20,679 outlets exist to make a profit. Obviously they do not. And the left 451 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,760 has understood this really really well, Jeff Bezos. Yeah, he lost a 452 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,559 lot of money on the Washington Post. Or he has lost a lot of 453 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,719 money on the Washington Post. He also gained a lot of money through the 454 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,199 COVID pandemic that more than made up for it. And in order to make 455 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,159 money he had to spread worldwide hysteria that made Amazon the go to place for 456 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,559 shopping. Yes, a lot of business has failed. His didn't. His 457 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,320 did better than ever before. And yeah, if it took the Washington Post 458 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,159 spreading conspiracy theories and lies like, that's a small price to pay. I 459 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,880 know, but lots of people are losing their job, right, I mean, 460 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,880 go on, well done. Take the Atlantic. I up to hear 461 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,079 Donald Trump making fun of the Atlantic for the money it loses. So I 462 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,559 think it's owned or was owned by Loreen Powell Jobs, Steve Jobs's widow, 463 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,599 and so every time every year it's like, oh, they lost another ten 464 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,960 million dollars, he'll make a joke about it. Right, I'm sorry her 465 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:24,159 spending ten million dollars a year to control elections is a bargain. The Atlantic 466 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,000 pushed the Russia collusion lie. They did it for years. They pushed various 467 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:35,880 lies about wars. They invented the ein marn hoax, which low information voters 468 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,199 believed, which was this like unbelievably disputed, not just disputed, but like 469 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:47,079 proven to be false claim that Donald Trump secretly hated dead American troops. This 470 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,639 story was so made up that John Bolton, who hates Donald Trump, was 471 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,519 like, this is a made up story, as did like two dozen other 472 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:59,079 people. It was used in debates, it was used in campaign ads. 473 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,599 They're actually using again this cycle for ten million dollars. It's a bargain. 474 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,599 The idiocy is that the right doesn't see that they're in an information war. 475 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,199 They think complaining about the media is sufficient without realizing like, okay, those 476 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:19,159 people are willing to lose ten hundred million dollars a year on their media organizations. 477 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,559 All you would have to do is give like a fraction of that to 478 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,280 hire real reporters who report real news and inform the public. And they don't 479 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,760 really realize that that's something to do. That's sounded too negative. No, 480 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:35,440 a good opportunity for people to engage in, like saving the country by supporting 481 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,000 real media and pause for real contact the federalists. I've been on that forever. 482 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:44,440 Listen. I love think tanks, but most people don't care about your 483 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,360 white papers. They have very little effect. All that money you should be 484 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:53,159 or a big bigger chunk of that money should be be going towards journalistic efforts 485 00:36:53,239 --> 00:37:00,239 and information efforts. I agree with what you're saying, obviously, but CNN 486 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,039 does have shareholders, like they're part of a bigger company. Like I don't 487 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,519 know how long they can continue to just keep losing money in that way. 488 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,599 And maybe they can do it because they're part of a bigger conglomerate or they're 489 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:15,320 part of a conglomerate and that kind of those losses don't matter that much. 490 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:19,760 But I mean, journalists are losing jobs all over the country constantly. At 491 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,559 some point, I think it's going to matter. I do. Like there 492 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,800 are a few big papers, they're fine, they're you know, Post Times, 493 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,039 whatever, but most of journalism has been gutted out, and that's terrible. 494 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:34,679 That's actually terrible for democracy. Right, So I don't know, maybe 495 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,880 we'll see I mean, I don't know, So I don't know. If 496 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,039 you answered my question, do you think that they can repeat that kind of 497 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,000 censorship again or is it going to be a little more difficult because Elon Musk 498 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,400 owns X And you know, my point was that Nolan can they they are, 499 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,400 They're doing it right now. This is why we are suing the State 500 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,679 Department for its ongoing support of censorship tools. They're doing it. It hurts 501 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,800 horribly, it hurts our elections, it hurts our ability to be governed by 502 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,639 ourselves, and they're doing it on a massive scale. Now, the big 503 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,840 thing, the big like sort of white pill of the whole thing, is 504 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,760 Elon buying Twitter. I do not mean by this that Twitter is perfect, 505 00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:30,000 that it's even good, but it isn't the censorship tool that every other social 506 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:36,360 media, major social media outlet is at this point at least, and so 507 00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:42,800 you are able to discuss things freely and have conversations without the level of censorship 508 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,280 that we see on other platforms. I mean, I have to say, 509 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,480 since Musk bought it, it, in some sense it's more like a sewer 510 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,239 frankly, like there's just terrible people on there saying terrible things. But I 511 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:01,119 prefer having that there with the more open and again it's not perfect, I 512 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:05,599 agree with you, but just a more open conversation and an open news flow 513 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,639 and the ability of people to be contrarian or to challenge. You know, 514 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,280 I really recommend By the Way for you, so Stewart, because I don't 515 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,480 have that experience at all. But I'm also an active blocker. I have 516 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,400 more than one point two million followers, which is to me a stunning number. 517 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,360 But I also block literally tens of thousands of people. Those are hand 518 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,559 curated, boutique blocks. I block for people being mean to you. I 519 00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,320 block for people being mean to Sean Davis or to me. Like, I 520 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,519 just block, not mean. I don't mind mean. I just think when 521 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:45,800 it's like cartoonishly mean or anti semitic or you know, just like, yeah, 522 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:50,039 I love blocking. It's not even those Twitter I'm talking abou accounts with 523 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,840 millions of followers that are really gross, you know, and in some sense 524 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,000 though, and I don't want to viewer off into something that we're not talking 525 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,079 about this podcast, but you know, maybe I'm happy that I can just 526 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,559 see what people really think sometimes. I know it's a weird, you know, 527 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,159 it's a weird way to view the world, but I'd rather know that 528 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,320 these people are out there and hate us or whatever it is than not know. 529 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,719 In a way, now, I think it's exaggerated because they're kind of 530 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,400 like clout chasers who just get all these like people to follow them that are 531 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,159 not Can I say, like, if you're anonymous on Twitter, yeah you 532 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,199 might have you might you know, follow this anti semit doesn't mean that you 533 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,079 are that in your daily life or anything like that. So I think those 534 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,079 numbers are exaggerated. But I'm happy to know that people feel comfortable saying some 535 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:36,719 of the things they are. I don't know how we got onto that, 536 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,840 but anyway, so I'd rather have that than have censorship, because what happens 537 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,840 is then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, we have to 538 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,079 get rid of these anti Semites. We're also going to get rid of the 539 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:49,079 people say bad things about George Sorows. You know, they always do this. 540 00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:55,360 They kind of try to like make a completely legitimate criticism or flame about 541 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,000 someone be you know, just as bad as the real nuts. You know, 542 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,239 they conflate the two anyway, So you think they will, you think 543 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,519 they are. So that does not bode well for twenty twenty four, I 544 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:13,639 guess right, Well, if you look at twenty twenty, which was another 545 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,000 one of these elections where Democrats were willing to do whatever it took to keep 546 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:22,199 Donald Trump from being re elected. They lied, they issued fake news, 547 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:30,400 they engaged in massive censorship, They rigged, And I choose that word advisedly 548 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:36,800 because it's about like preordaining changes to ensure a particular outcome the system to have 549 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,760 massive mail in balloting that could then be exploited, you know, through Zuckerbucks 550 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,119 and other things. They still only won by forty three thousand VOTs across three 551 00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:52,440 states. Since then, you have seen Joe Biden's numbers plummet, you know, 552 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,440 and you have people being able to make a side by side comparison of 553 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,639 what they thought about life under Trump versus what they thought about life on and 554 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,559 it's there's no question that the regime is super sad about the threat of Trump, 555 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,320 that they hated his presidency, that they thought it was chaotic, and 556 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,679 that it hurt them personally like the powers. It's also true that the American 557 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,559 people have a very different idea about it. And I'm not saying by that 558 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:20,440 that you don't have like low favorability for Trump. You do, you much 559 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:27,159 lower favorability for Biden. You know, he's he's lower than Trump. So 560 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,440 that is not what you saw in twenty twenty, and so when it's coming 561 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:36,400 down to close elections, I think I would say that while Republicans absolutely need 562 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:43,679 to be laser focused on get out the vote, ballot harvesting operations in the 563 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,840 places that matter, and they need to fight the censorship, and they need 564 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,880 to fight the media corruption, and they need to like kind of do everything, 565 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,480 you know, really well, that I would not say that they can't 566 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:58,239 win this election. I mean, if it were a normal, free, 567 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,400 fair election, based on the way we used to do elections, it would 568 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,880 be a blowout. So I think they could win even with the new environment. 569 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:08,320 I wasn't even yeah, I mean, I wasn't even I didn't even 570 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,119 mean it like that. I just meant, will it be a mess? 571 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400 You know? Are we going to see the same sort of mess? I'll 572 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,880 just say, I think we've spoken about this recently, but I just don't 573 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,559 see how either side we'll be ready to accept the results of this election. 574 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,199 So do you feel like we're for sure going to have like a crazy postal? 575 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:35,960 Is the post election going to be crazy lawsuits? Like? How do 576 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,119 you envision that? I know things change quickly, but yeah, I think 577 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:45,519 that one, you know, one very bad thing that Democrats did for the 578 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,320 health of the country, but very smart and savvy thing that they have done 579 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:54,199 is criminalize Republican legal work. They've worked to disbar every effective Republican attorney and 580 00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:01,440 with basically no pushback from Republicans, no conservative judicial society has pushed back against 581 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:09,320 this effort to criminalize Republican election law and to disbar Republican election attorneys. It's 582 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:17,119 really something to observe, and so you have to not just put together a 583 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,559 ballot harvesting operation, a complete get out the vote operation, which is not 584 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,159 just about registering people to vote, but actually getting the ballots into the boxes. 585 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,639 You also need to do fights against the law fair done by markle Las 586 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:36,360 who's sort of the guy who cooked up the Russia collusion hoaks and also orchestrated 587 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,480 the twenty twenty mail in balloting issues, and he's working very hard again this 588 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:45,760 year, and so savver and smarter Democrat attorneys. You have to fight that, 589 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,519 and then you also have to fight after the fact for anything that went 590 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:57,280 wrong. I am quite anxious to see what the twenty twenty four conspiracy theory 591 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,199 will be about Donald Trump, and I've been trying trying to listen to the 592 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,360 left and get some kind of clue as to what's coming because the Russia collusion 593 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,280 stuff, you could now looking back, you can see that it had been 594 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:14,199 sort of bubbling. Anyway, I do not look forward to the post the 595 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,599 lessons at all. Yes, I do want to say that already what Democrats 596 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:23,800 have done with their law fair against Donald Trump does render any outcome or any 597 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:30,360 Biden victory as kind of illegitimate on its face. And what I'm saying by 598 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:37,519 that is because of this inappropriate meddling, this attempt to remove Donald Trump from 599 00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:43,800 the ballot, which was an actual effort, coordinated conspiracy across multiple states to 600 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,639 try to actually kill the election. Then you also have all the different cases 601 00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:54,840 and all the different jurisdictions attempts to imprison and bankrupt their political opponent. This 602 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,519 is the thing where if this were another country, we would say already the 603 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,000 legitimacy of this election is in doubt, so in a weird way for the 604 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,360 preservation of the country, like you almost have to like they've already passed the 605 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,519 point where it's going to be very difficult to accept a Biden victory should he 606 00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,119 eke that out. Does that make sense. Yeah, I mean it's not 607 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,840 even a secret. Is a conspiracy automatically secret? Now, I mean it's 608 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,760 an open conspiracy because Alvin Bragg said he was going to go after the president. 609 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,400 Others have you know, who are after him, have openly stated that 610 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,719 they want to punish him and put him in jail and like that. So, 611 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,159 I mean, I don't know. I would say, also, it 612 00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,480 depends on how. I mean, if it is a very close election, 613 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:44,800 it's obviously going to be more contested, you know, if someone But I 614 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,280 don't see how it's not going to be a very close election. It's very 615 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,800 difficult for me to see any way that that could happen. But who knows. 616 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,880 I don't know. You know, Joe Biden is one of the most 617 00:46:52,880 --> 00:47:00,719 if not the most unpopular president incumbent in history. So the numbers are well 618 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,360 below what Trump's were at this time four years ago. Yeah, I mean, 619 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,880 the switch in the polls is pretty stunning. It's like double digit from 620 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,480 where he was twenty twenty to now go on. I mentioned this before. 621 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,960 I just don't know, like setting aside everything that you don't like about Trump 622 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,840 or don't like about Biden, just as far as policy goes literally, I 623 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,360 can't think of any part of what's going on in the country or foreign policy 624 00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,039 that anyone could legitimately say it's better today than it was, you know, 625 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,280 be covid Trump administration. I just there is no yes. And yet I'd 626 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,519 say, if you talk to people who are in the establishment, they would 627 00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,960 say that everything's so much better than it was during the Trump era. So 628 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,079 like New York City, DC, they objectively think that things are great. 629 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,159 They're very happy with the Biden policies. They are They're thrilled, in fact, 630 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,119 and I tell people this when I'm traveling throughout the country, Like DC 631 00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,679 loves Joe Biden. They think he's doing a fantastic job. They're so happy 632 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,920 with, for instance, the war in Ukraine. They are thrilled. So 633 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,119 I'm just saying, no, Listen, from their perspective, things are going 634 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,679 exactly as they prefer them to go. Like I don't think we're in the 635 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,920 middle of the Great Depression, but it's clear that, for instance, inflation 636 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,159 has affected so many people. And the more the media tries to tell everyone 637 00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,480 that they're crazy, that it's a mirage something, the more I think it 638 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:37,079 angers them. But anyway, so we have a lot to look forward to, 639 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,000 a lot of exciting, exciting things to look forward to in twenty twenty 640 00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:44,440 four. It sounds like it's going to be a giant mess. Can we 641 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:52,679 talk about something less depressing? Culture? Yep? What have you been reading 642 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,679 or watching or listening to? Well, I'm about to go to a place 643 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:06,119 I've never been before, which is Italy. So I have been reading books 644 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,280 on Italy, like art books about different things to see in different museums. 645 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,320 So I was super exciting, super exciting. I've never been. No, 646 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,599 I've never been, and I have always wanted to go. I mean, 647 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:27,039 obviously I'm just like obsessed with the Roman Empire of course as a middle aged 648 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,719 white man, but just in general, vatic and all that, I just 649 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,480 would love to I want to go to a place less fascistic than my country. 650 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:40,079 So that's why we chose. They're just kidding. But so I've been 651 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:52,960 looking through art books, like reading guides, reading an interesting book called The 652 00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:00,880 Tigris of Furley, about Renaissance Italy's most courageous and notorious countess by Liz Love 653 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:07,639 by the way, and also watching a Stanley Tucci documentary documentary Serious about It 654 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,760 is a show where he's yeah, yeah, yeah, so I picked the 655 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:19,079 regions. Yeah, so what about you. Gosh, what I'm gonna say 656 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:24,440 is gonna sound far less exciting. But I've been watching I'm going to uh 657 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,280 now, not going anywhere. I've been watching a show. I would call 658 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,039 this a guilty pleasure. It's a show called Suits. Have you ever watched 659 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:37,519 the show? Is this the one with the princess? Oh? Yeah, 660 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,199 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she's I would say, you 661 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,360 know what, she's fine, she's fine in this show. Yeah, I 662 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,760 guess this is an old, an old TV series. It is like, 663 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,039 it's about two lawyers. But I so I have this idea. I have 664 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,000 this theory basically that you know the movie Goodwill Hunting for instance, or this 665 00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,519 Suits, there's always a he didn't like it Hunting, Oh my gosh, 666 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,280 I think it's the most overrated awful movie. Okay, So those are superhero 667 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,599 movies. There's a character who's just so far more intelligent than everyone else that 668 00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:13,320 he's a superhero. So that's what this show basically is. It's almost like 669 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,639 it reminds me of like House, but with a lawyer, but it's soap 670 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,559 opera y and stuff. But I started watching it and I kind of liked 671 00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:30,360 it. I do want to say that everyone should immediately purchase this album. 672 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:35,199 It is so so good. We had a review of it at The Federalist 673 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,000 several weeks back. But it's called Jackpot by Monty Borden and the Dangerous Few, 674 00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:45,800 and it is just like one of my very favorite albums. It's the 675 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:52,920 only thing I've been listening to NonStop. And you'll love it. So can 676 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,840 you repeat it? Jack Jackpot, Jackpot? And our headline was Jackpot is 677 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,239 the most compelling album of the year. It just it takes all the different 678 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,960 types of like Americana and just makes it. It's in particularly like listen to 679 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,360 it over and over. It's just really really great. So stream it, 680 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:19,440 buy it whatever, do it now done, It's on my list. It 681 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,320 will be done. Okay, Well, Molly, thanks for giving us an 682 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,199 overview of what to expect next election. I hope you have a nice time 683 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,719 in Italy and we'll be back next week though, So until they'd be Lovers 684 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:40,719 of Freedom and She's got afraid? Is she go wow wax and hats yet? 685 00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:45,039 But all the boa