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hard, but not welcome back.
Thank you all for joining us. We

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are here to talk some evergreen content. The playoff series have win them down.

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We will still cover the playoffs as
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out the data content. We're just
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some off season stuff, some evergreen
things, which is why we have every

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NBA team's toughest free agency decision in
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We'll be handling the Eastern Conference.
I will be handing the Western Conference.

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don't know that I have any other
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will you know. I think for
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the scale at which the decisions matter
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well, who's a free agent from
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their own free agents. It's not, Oh, should have thunderspend their thirty

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five million in caps based on bringing
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not That's not what we're focusing on
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question, Grant, why didn't you
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intro last time? You should that's
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to give me right after. I
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because it's your certified fantabulousness, I
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have to highlight it. I forgot
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Dan isn't. So. I mean
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There's like a board of governors that
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and then everybody's in grant. How
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I'm excited to get to this particular
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like like tentatively scheduling it for what
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getting to it. So I'm a
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and so we're gonna gonna be able
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really not that much left and the
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not saying that ESPN covering only Brownie
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the same four teams at this point, and we will check in on the

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playoffs as we deem fit, But
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of games under their belt this time. Think about how many times we adjusted

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our priors during the first two rounds
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series after each game. I know
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probably a takeaway from last year and
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but it's really gonna be my takeaway
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just chill out after each game and
not because you know, you want to

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have something to say, like or
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we peeled back a layer of this
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this level, here's here's how things
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never gonna be I mean, it'll
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like I got it now, I
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you know, Minnesota Denver, it's
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I really have a handle, and
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I have the opposite handle. You
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how you entire Nuggets Wolve series by
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was the most extreme swings of a
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is then after each game, like
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start to talk about the games,
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caveat up front of like, well, but actually we have no idea what's

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gonna happen because we never do.
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less emotionally invested in content that I
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six hours that we're putting out,
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like that needs to happen, like
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more value. And right now I
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free agency, because there are twenty
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league. It will be a nice
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actually do are offseason look aheads or
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are they normally called? See,
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to the number one podcast in the
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are. They're just look aheads and
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with the we're gonna go alphabetically again
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all right, let's begin with the
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main issues just don't have anything to
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gonna be Trey Young or de Jontey
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it to just match the market rate
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certainly doesn't help them, but that's
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the offer sheets he gets from other
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to pay to match, but I
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the Pistons, But he does play
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little bit, like just the idea
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shooter, since I guess aj Griffin
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him. There's a couple other options, Garrison Matthews, Wes Matthews, team

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option on the former unrestricted for the
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of his free agent decision for the
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Garrison Matthews. You know, are
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let him go. I think that
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be so negligible at this point following
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bring him back. And you mentioned
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high on him. This just might
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back because the price is right,
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there? And we're so thin on
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just that we just need to do
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better. The fact that Vic Crachie
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playing was up was pretty disastrous.
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like it was two minutes and forty
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kind of for different reasons, because
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because everybody that really matters is going
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case, like Cornette actually played in
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agents. They both are probably minimum
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point you could bring both back just
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more than Tillman after the All Star
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team, higher true shooting percentage.
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it's sort of like, I don't
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narrative that they need to choose between
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Cornet. But we're talking like minimum
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dollars in payroll, and so that
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wonder if they just see value and
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like an inflated short term contracts that
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they want you to move, and
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on this current time, like,
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year and we'll deal with the ramifications
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to see, like, do they
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nose this year, maybe we keep
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one that they choose. I'm with
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does the one that they choose end
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because of their tax situation. You
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this, you're gonna be a second
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money than you send out in a
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less or be a dollar dollar dollar
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just talking about this about for something
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that once you will, Okay,
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terms of staying it's not he can
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related, but Alhoverd can still stay
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and their pull up. Yeah,
so the case in Game one against the

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Pacers, like they started to eat
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your postseason analysis that we did it. So yeah, Bert agreed, shout

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out Burt So. But like,
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salary matching tools Peyton Pritchard who's on
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or Cornette like more than that just
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know if they're gonna throw money around
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be will a normal team that didn't
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penalties are on say like a five
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really don't want to be paying five, you know, double the minimum to

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a guy that is your like tenth
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million, that's like thirty eight million
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takes us to Brooklyn. This one's
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under contract. I mean obviously Lonnie
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minimums last year. They're unrestricted.
But this is this is Nick Claxton.

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Uh, it's you know, and
it's not like do we want him or

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not, it's just what's the market
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you're you're trying to decide what he's
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actually had as just by way of
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working on, like making the case
that like there's a good chance like Isaiah

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Hartenstein could come really close to or
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mean, I think that playoff run
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his value in that a lot of
the teams that have money probably aren't gonna

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be looking at a center necessarily.
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Nets. But I'm not sure what
that number is gonna be. Do you

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have you thought about it all,
like what his contract might look like.

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I so I think his cap hold
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and that feels sort of right and
when you look at what Isaiah Hartnerstein can

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get from his early bird rights deal, where it's going to be in between

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the sixteen to eighteen million dollar range, it'll be below that eighteen million dollar

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number for sure. That I guess
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agree with what you said about where's
the looming thread out there? If you

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asked me to pick the over the
under based on his cap hold an eighteen

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million, I'm almost inclined to go
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this, but the Center Big market's
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as you outlaid with all the teams
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where's the offer coming from a team
like Okasee. I think would be easier

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for them to talk themselves into what
Isaiah Hartenstein does than Nick Claxton because they

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like to play five out, So
I just don't know where the money is

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gonna be for him. Maybe Detroit
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we're okay with kind of this co
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especially since Jalen Duran's on his rookie
scale. Sure, but they need four

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spacing as well, so he's a. He's a really good player. I

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don't know where his number winds up. They'd be foolish to let him leave,

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though, unless it's part of a
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you that number eighteen point two million, would you take the over the under

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per year? So you're probably so
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eighteen and we're going up to like
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Let yeah, let's go average that
way. Okay, that's that's such a

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good number. I guess. I
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it's I would put it more.
That's right there. So that's like

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seventy two eighteen four years seventy two. I could say like four for seventy

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five, four for eighty something like
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Jalon Jared Allen five for one hundred
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something like that, five for one
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seems that seems reasonable, So I
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gonna be exactly eighteen million. That's
the correct number. It is interesting for

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for Claxton that like I feel like
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set would have gotten in paid more, whereas now it's like there's not stretched

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there's not like physical like dominant interior
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switchable center defender isn't like the most
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All right, we're at Charlotte.
Well, is that the nets are

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now going to be like far enough
beneath the tax where they're not probably gonna

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try and squeeze him as much as
they maybe normally would have a favor more

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expensive. Yeah, his free agency
will be fascinating. Yeah, moving to

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Charlotte. So like, I don't
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as shorter as long as you want
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because of the money and all of
the like how much do we want to

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reset our image as a franchise with
new ownership, new front office, new

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coach. Bridges is a good NBA
player, Like I think he is probably,

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I mean, this is a guy
that was probably in line for a

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MAX right before like all the off
court stuff. Yeah, so I don't

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think that's realistic now, But this
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this is a tough decision, both
from a like do we or don't we?

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Full stop? Like do we want
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And then if we do, what's
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Certainly not a max but like certainly
also not like mid level money. You're

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going to be much closer to the
max than than that lower option. So

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it's just it's it's almost it's not
a franchise defining decision, but it is

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going to give us some information about
what kind of operation Charlott's gonna run here

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going forward. I would just let
him go reset, reset your image,

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and or try, I mean maybe
try and facilitate a signing trigs. I

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don't know what cap spased teams.
I guess Philly and Detroit would be names

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that people would look at. Could
Utah talk themselves into him? I don't

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think he'd be an okay see guy, but uh, he will get paid

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though, because domestic violence issues have
no bearing on that. If you have

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the ability to think the floor,
probably all we need to say about that

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takes us the Chicago Bulls. My
incredible opening run is nearing its end here

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with the Eastern Conference. I think
it's DeMar Derozen, although all indications are

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like who's the alternative? Well,
that's part of it. I mean,

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well, hold on, there's a
couple, don't we don't we have There's

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Andre Drummond, but I guess Patrick
Williams okay, restricted, that's interesting,

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so unrestricted that that really is it? Though, Like as far as guys

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who's even like diehards would know who
they are, it's Dero. Well here's

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the thing. It shouldn't be DeRozan
because he shouldn't be on the team anymore

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and they shouldn't be facing free agency
again. Will continue this angle of analysis

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for Chicago until they change what they're
doing. They have unfinished business Grant,

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Oh right, yeah, right?
Is the unfinished business like winning two games

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in the first round of the playoffs. So yeah, Like, I guess

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it's just I think the numbers that
have been loosely out there is like they're

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Chicago's willing to go like two years
at like forty a pop, which I

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guess that's better than going four years
for you know, like one hundred and

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thirty million. I don't know,
they shouldn't be in this position they are.

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Demart Rosen is still a really good
offensive player. He doesn't make sense

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on a Bulls team that needs to
rebuild, et cetera, et cetera,

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et cetera, et cetera. This
is because you can't and let you walk

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for nothing. I guess it's not
disastrous, but that's terrible asset management by

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them. You're stuck. What Patrick
Williams though very quickly what is gonna happen

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when he's coming up? He had
another season ending injury. He's had a

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bunch of lower body stuff since he
started his career. I think he's shown

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enough on defense, and there's been
the flashes of not just a fishing three

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point shooting, but of being able
to dribble into the pull up or or

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do some additional things on drives offensively, but never stringing together enough of it

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with enough volume to make you believe
like, oh, this should be someone

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who gets twenty to twenty five million
dollars a year. Yeah, it's tough

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because there are flashes there of the
you know, he shot over forty percent

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from deep on low volume last year
and has been like pretty good as not

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quite forty percent, but has been
a really good three point shooter again on

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low volume in more than one season, good combo combo forward defender like that

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that has value in a lot of
places. I just don't think anyone could

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look at the first several years of
his career and conclude like this is there's

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any high usage future in this guy. It's just he's going to be a

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completely dependent scorer, I think based
on what we've seen so far. I

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mean, I guess he's young enough
to get better. But I mean,

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if I'm the Bulls, like,
what's the number, Like, if he

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gets a fifteen million a year offer
sheet, do you match that just to

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preserve the asset you have to?
I mean, fifteen million is like barely

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above the mid level right now.
So like if and look, if I'm

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a team like Utah or even Detroit
and I'm trying to fuck with the Bulls

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as cap sheet, I was going
to ask you, I think the answer

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is obvious because he is the restricted
free agent. But who's more likely to

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be on a different team next season? P will or DeMar Oh, Well,

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I mean they're both, I think, but I think I really likely

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to be bad. Part of my
question is I think that even though I've

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just leaned Demortros because he's the unrestricted
free agent. The fact that I thought

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about it for a second when he
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speaks to the fragility of just the
situation. Yeah, I agree. I

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mean, like DeRozan, they cannot
well unless it's a sign and trade the

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bulls. I cannot let him get
away because that's just you know, that's

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you're van fleeting it a little too
hard right there? All right, oh

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yeah, you're run It continues about
to go to Dallas. I apologize we

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can, because I don't feel great
about this pick either. So options here

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include Isaacacorro, who's a restricted free
agent, Damian Jones unrestricted, Tristan Thompson

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unrestricted, Sam Merrill has a non
guarantee, so that's like technically not really

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a free agency Marcus Morris, Isaiah
Mobile You think Isaiah Mobley is gonna be

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back on the on the calves next
year? He's getting some fanasis. Did

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you say this decision was hard?
Well, it's a coro. I think.

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I just I was just going through, like I don't. I mean,

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it's another restricted one, and I
hate picking a restricted guy as a

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tough decision because it's just like especially
not tough It's pretty simple. If the

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number that he signs for is cool
with you, you just match it and

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and that's the end of the conversation. I mean in terms of like the

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Calves existence as a whole, Like
we've got a lot of other issues to

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deal with in Cleveland that you know, this team could look very different next

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year. But I would say it, you know, A Korro has not

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been the exact kind of player that
they've wanted at that spot, especially given

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his draft pedigree, Like the shooting
no one ever feels super confident in.

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He's still kind of a liability offensively
in the playoffs for that reason, really

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good defender in another postseason where he
didn't shoot it well and defenses didn't care

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and the volume wasn't there. Yeah, I think, like it's just he

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really is just a reliable three point
shot away from being like, oh he's

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a he's a high end like playoff
starter because all the other stuff he's can

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handle just fine. It just doesn't
really have an offensive role to play.

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So I don't know. I well, how about this. I think Patrick

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Williams should sign a bigger offer sheet
than a Korro does. But even though

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they're like similarly situated in terms of
their draft slots, and like I guess

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roles on the team, but it
just feels like because a korro is a

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little smaller, doesn't have that like
big time defensive versatility that Williams might I

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think Williams might end up. Yeah, that's interesting because Corals I think,

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still the better player, but he
doesn't have the same defensive scalability where Williams

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can guard kind of one through four
if you really were two through four,

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and like even a Corus just like
if you start to put him on like

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true sized wings, it gets if
he which is also part of the problem

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in Cleveland, And now you have
these two small guards and your best perimeter

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defender really shouldn't be checking the big
the bigger wings, which makes getting to

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his number pretty difficult. They just
still have so much room beneath the second

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apron, at least until all the
you know, Dono Mitchell's nice contract will

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kick in soon. If they signed
to an extension, then you have to

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deal with Evan Mobley. Well,
Darius Garland still be on the team.

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Jared Allen's next deal, he should
probably be trying. He should have demanded

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a trade already personally, that's what
I think. So I think they keep

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him. In terms of the number, I think he he'll get more than

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the mid level, right, twelve
point four million, he'll get over that.

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As you said, he'll get more
than I was like, twelve was

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like about the number that I was
gonna say. So, I don't know.

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I guess he might, but it
feels like around there too. I

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feel like three for forty five or
maybe even three for fifty, Like the

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new cap climate makes it tough too, Like it wouldn't shock me if it

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was like something like three for forty
five or three for fifty or something around

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there. Yeah, I'm still anchored
to I think incorrectly the idea of like

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fifteen million is like what you pay
a starter like that, you know,

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a pretty decent starter that's not a
star. I think that's probably closer to

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like seventeen eighteen now, so you're
three for fifty is on the high end,

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but like I guess, probably semi
realistic for him. I guess it's

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my turn. Now move on to
the Dallas Mavericks have only one option unless

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you think that they're not going to
guarantee the contracts of Jadeen Hardy and or

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just Jaydan Hardy's an only not yet
excellent. Yeah, excuse me, excem.

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It's Derek Jones Jr. They do
not have his bird rights and he

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has made himself some money during the
postseason, not just with what he's done

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on defense, but he's hitting his
threes, making nice passes from the center

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of the floor. I don't know
what his I when I was talking about

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thinking about him initially, I'm like, Okay, he's still a spacing liability.

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He is the guy that defenses aren't
going to guard. But if he's

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going to continue to hit, take
and hit threes, I don't know what

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he ends up getting for the MAVs
because they only have his non bird rights,

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and this might service well in some
of these future teams. They can

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offer him one hundred and twenty percent
raise off the minimum. That is not

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going to cut it. Now.
You can throw that out and it will

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either take cap space, which they
don't have, or an exception to resign

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him. They have some wiggle room
beneath the first apron, but like,

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it's not enough to u right now
to unlock the full mid level exception of

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twelve point four million. I don't
know if the mini mL which is like

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substantially less, is going to be
enough to lock him down. I struggle

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to see where other suitors might come
from it. It feels like he's not

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going to be the priority of a
team and so but I also think that

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he has probably earned him himself more
than just okay, like the tack player

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mid level is what is it for
next season? Five point two? I

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think it's projected to be Yeah that
low? Yeah? Wow? Why does

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that seem so low? I don't
know, but that's what I have too

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on my sheet. Yeah, I
thought it was a typo on my sheet.

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So, uh, that's I think
he gets. He gets more than

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that, right, I mean he
has to. As you're as you're laying

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it out, I just keep thinking, like, oh, he's definitely not

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coming back to Dallas like they.
I mean, if even if they had

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the full mL E, that would
be no they. I think if he

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gets the full MLLE, I might
be a little bit so. And the

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thing with also that you have to
consider is if you're gonna give him the

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full MLEE. Let's say they were
able to open up, like they could

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move Tim hardaway, Junior and save
money that way and just have it avail.

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Do you want to hardcap yourself for
Derec Jones Junior just might be yes

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the way that. Yeah. I
mean, like if we're talking about a

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00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,240
Korro or several other guys, like
Jones is starting in the conference finals,

406
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,960
like that's those guys, aren't.
Nick Laxson's not doing that. Certainly Isaaca

407
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Corrol is not doing that. It's
it is it is like, well,

408
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,400
first of all, boy, he's
ruining my one of my favorite pet like

409
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,039
theories, which is that don't ever
invest in a player who looked really good

410
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,319
for the heat and is changing teams, like because he's just never gonna be

411
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,000
as good as he was with Miami, Like this is this is the best

412
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,359
Derek that for you with the Spurs
too, Say who for who Derek White

413
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,200
do that for you with this with
the Spurs to Like you should be you

414
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,839
should be all over anyone that the
Spurs give up on. They've gone the

415
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,000
other way completely. H But you
know what I mean, Like j Jones

416
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,920
is just the defenses. I mean, he's a huge part of Dallas's defensive

417
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,880
makeover. Uh And and I think
you're right that we can't assume that he's

418
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,599
gonna shoot it like this, and
even if he does for like a whole

419
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,720
other season, he's still someone that
opponents are just that's the guy we're gonna

420
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:55,400
leave. So I think, like
this is definitely Derek Jones, and good

421
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,720
for him. He's hitting the market
at what is probably like the apex of

422
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,799
his value. Like even going forward, it's hard for me to imagine him

423
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,920
being better positioned to just do all
the stuff he's good at than he is

424
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,880
right now in Dallas. So it's
kind of perfect. I think he could

425
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,759
be a Bruce Brown candidate too,
Whereas maybe he's not getting a long term

426
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,839
deal, but it's a one plus
one with the team option, but it's

427
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,599
that first year is paying him twenty
something million dollars. Here, like,

428
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,759
here come the Thunder, What if
you swat? What if the Thunder just

429
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:30,359
want to go? We'll take another
ace defender and super athlete and just play

430
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,480
him instead of just leave the boatload
a cap, like, let's just have

431
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,880
more athleticism on the court, and
maybe they use him as a backup five

432
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,000
and instances like when Be's not on
the floor. So yeah, I don't

433
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:41,759
I don't want to get into whether
he'll be back in Dallas. But if

434
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:47,079
Dallas wants to keep him, I
think they're gonna have to preserve or actually

435
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,680
open up the access to the full
MLLE. I don't see him like he's

436
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,880
not if he stays for the mini
MLE. I'm calling Shenanigans and that they're

437
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,680
going to do the whole early bird
rights stance, whereas they promised to pay

438
00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,440
him next year. Yeah, or
a Cuban in the new ownership group was

439
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,279
like, you get a whole casino
named after you, probably in our new

440
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,799
sports betting empire outside the arena.
Yeah, in a state where sports betting

441
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,039
is not currently legal and doesn't have
any legislation pending. But we move on

442
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Denver Nuggets. It's KCP here.
He's a player option for fifteen point four

443
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,640
million dollars that he has projected to
decline. He could always extend off of

444
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,240
that number if they wanted to go
that route, which would help the Nuggets

445
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,680
in the sense that if you look
at it through the lens of his cap

446
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,279
hold, if he opts out,
he has a twenty two point one million

447
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:37,200
dollar cap hold roughly, so if
you opted in and extended off that number,

448
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,440
he'd be on the books for fifteen
point four, so that saves you

449
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,640
seven million dollars And that's not money
that you could just go spend elsewhere,

450
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,920
but it's extra wiggle room for your
tax bill. I don't know, like

451
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,079
he is the guy we're talking about
Alcoro, KCP, Patrick Williams, guys

452
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,400
who could get offers. KCP fits
on every single team in the league.

453
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640
I know he's thirty one. That
might repress some of the offer he's getting,

454
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:06,240
But you cannot give me a team
with cap space that shouldn't consider going

455
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,839
after. Maybe it's Detroit doesn't want
to get into KCP business again when he

456
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,119
said, you know, approaching like
his post Heyday but Philly, OKAC,

457
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,640
he could probably even they need someone
who's bigger. But okay, but fuck

458
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,079
it, Like, yeah, we'll
take this guy here. Imagine replacing Josh

459
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,640
Getty with KCP in your best line
up. Like it's not Asaad Joe either,

460
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,559
it's freaking KCP, who had a
rough offensive playoffs. To be fair,

461
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,039
I don't know what number he winds
up. You could tell me anything

462
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,000
at this point. Is it kind
of a two year deal that just pays

463
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,519
him like sixty million dollars from another
team. The Nuggets have to keep him,

464
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:38,079
and if they let him walk,
it's absolutely inexcusable. I Christian Brown

465
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,119
is good. Peyton Watson, who
did not play in ty World Series,

466
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,359
is also good. Neither of them
right now have the ability to replace KCP

467
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,400
on the offensive end, unless you
just think that KCP is not going to

468
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,400
hit his threes, and then we
can have the discussion. I think,

469
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,480
though, what people who have to
consider with Denver is that even if you

470
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,559
like just factoring in kcp's cap hold, but let's even forget the cat hold,

471
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680
let's just throw in his player option
there, like say he extends off

472
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,839
the number, they're a few million
dollars, then into the second apron.

473
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,440
That's it's it's got checked time from
the sense of, well, now we're

474
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,440
going to see how married to this
core the organization app actually is and the

475
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,759
extent to which Calvin Booth has tried
to prepare for this by having Peyton Watson.

476
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,440
And I still think they allocated too
many roster spots to these younger guys,

477
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,440
and then people were talking about,
you know, it's their starting lineup

478
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,160
that didn't farewell against the Timberwolves.
It's not a depth issue, and it's

479
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,039
well, if you had more options
and maybe he didn't need to play your

480
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,720
starter so much, things might have
been different. So there's there's two ends

481
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,599
of that spectrum. But I think
I ultimately land at like I personally believe

482
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,440
that they will bring him back,
but I do find myself wondering, well,

483
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,079
they were so invested in doing X
with Christian Brown and Peyton Watson and

484
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,440
having these other guys, there is
there a chance that it wasn't just about

485
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,359
well, we're replacing Bruce Brown or
trying to and then we're also planning long

486
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,279
term. Is letting casep walk part
of the long term? I honestly have

487
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,559
no idea, but he is in
terms of names we're gonna talk about that

488
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,680
absolutely cannot leave or should not leave. The Nuggets need to keep this guy.

489
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,480
And again, like you know,
I can't I can't imagine how many

490
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,079
times we're gonna go to this.
Well, but like, just as an

491
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:22,119
asset preservation move, like the leaving
for nothing is always the worst possible option

492
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,599
if you have the ability, because
like you, they can pay him just

493
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,599
whatever, right, So like,
as long as you're not doing it,

494
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,759
you know, as long as you
don't hit a number that's just like no

495
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,960
other team in the league would pay
that. Well, then he's a tradable

496
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,079
asset, and like maybe this is
a way Denver a year from now or

497
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,680
whatever it like gets a draft pick
back or like you know, some something

498
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,839
like that, or get you know, breaks. He takes back less money,

499
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,559
just like you can't let it you. You cannot let him leave in

500
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,839
free agency. That's for a number
of reasons, but not the least of

501
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,240
which being you're already really inflexible because
of how expensive this roster is. In

502
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,960
the second apron. You can't let
a guy go that could down the line

503
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,039
and maybe buy you back a little
bit of flexibility if you're willing to like

504
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:06,799
float that number for a year or
however long it ends up being, which

505
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:08,240
I did very quickly, just because
I know we spend a lot of time

506
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,720
on the Nuggets. His cap hold
is around twenty two million dollars, which

507
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,240
is just over fifteen percent of the
salary cap that's projected the comount next year.

508
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,319
He opts out, is he getting
more or less than that on an

509
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:24,160
annual basis? I think definitely more, and in large part because of the

510
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,119
like short term big dollar deal you
mentioned as a possibility, like a two

511
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240
for sixty or or something like that. Yeah, it's just like it's a

512
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:36,839
Warrior deal. I would take the
I would take the under on it.

513
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,559
I do think I go back and
forth, but I think that the non

514
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,440
stars, even in a market where
teams are desperate for good like KCP,

515
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,240
might be an exception because the market's
so bad around him. But I do

516
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:51,599
think we all might be in for
sort of this sticker like reverse sticker shock

517
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,720
on certain like you know how sometimes
we get it with centers where that's really

518
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,559
all the assigned for. Yeah,
because they're not stars unless you're yaka PERTL

519
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,359
and the Raptors gave up a pick
that, by the way, convey should

520
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,119
we talk to him, we can
stop discussing it, then, I guess

521
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,200
so. I honestly, I don't
have a great feel for what it's going

522
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,039
to look like for these non stars
in the super tax era, But I

523
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,799
would say pretty comfortably if he signs
unless he opts in and that's the number.

524
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,279
But if he ends up getting the
same amount or less of his player

525
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:20,400
option, that would shock me on
an annual basis, Like he should get

526
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,039
more, he should clear fifteen and
a half million dollars, I would think

527
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,519
easily per year. I think he'll
be closer to the twenty two cap hold

528
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,400
figure than the fifteen player option figure, like pretty comfortably. I would guess,

529
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,279
all right, that goes back to
me. I've got the Detroit Pistons.

530
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,759
I want to try something on just
just to see where you're at on

531
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:43,079
this? Is it? No?
Is it absurd to have Evan Fournier's non

532
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:46,240
guarantee or what is it? Team
option non guarantee? Which is it?

533
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,200
It's a team option. It's a
team option, nineteen million dollar team option.

534
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,519
As like a tough decision like in
that might you want to bring that

535
00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,319
back for, you know, to
just dump on somebody with a like can

536
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,599
you use that? Is that a
useful tool in any way? Or should

537
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,680
we just talk about restricted free agency? For simone Fontechio, I'll let you

538
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:12,480
choose the adventure. It has to
be simone fontechio because the motion shooting specifically

539
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,440
is something that will play in the
open market, and because you can have

540
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:19,280
so much cap space, it sort
of dilutes the importance of having because that

541
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,920
having Evanfortier sal s salary in theory, it's valuable if you roll it over

542
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,039
to the trade deadline. You could
just sign someone who's better to a one

543
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,559
year deal for just as much and
roll that over the trade deadline. Yeah,

544
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,039
it's it's it's it's always intriguing to
me when a team has like this

545
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:39,159
fairly sizable salary that could like disappear
after they you know, like that's,

546
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,239
oh, what do we do with
that? Like it's not just you don't

547
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,360
want to just let it evaporate,
because you know, nineteen million is like,

548
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,920
that's something you can use for something, even if you have no intention

549
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,079
of ever keeping Evanfortier in the rotation
or on the roster. I think I

550
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:57,280
think it is Fontechio. I was
like toying with the idea of like how

551
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,920
close will the contracts Fontec and Tobias
Harris signed. B Oh my god,

552
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,840
Like how like is there a world
that I don't think Fontechio is ever gonna

553
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,119
make more? But considering like where
Harris is, you know, if Derek

554
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,559
Jones is at the peak of his
value, Harris just partly because his contract

555
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:21,039
was so big, it's probably at
about an idea of his and Fontekio is

556
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,599
like he's I mean as good or
better of a movement shooter, is a

557
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:30,360
good defender, like also younger,
have you remember what he did when he

558
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,800
was just in Detroit for fifteen or
sixteen games, like over fifteen points a

559
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,800
game shooting, he's like plus percent
from three fifty four percent on twos is

560
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:45,239
just I mean the pistons sucked like
he was slash starting forward like on a

561
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,199
on a on a lot of times. I think you could make a case

562
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,480
that and like, if you're going
through the you know what, I'm going

563
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,639
to make this case Simoni Fontekio is
more important than Pistons than Jay and Ivy

564
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,480
because think about, well, hold
on, hold on, I'm not his

565
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:06,519
ceiling, I'm not in terms of
creating the floor balance necessary to optimize the

566
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:09,599
single most important player in the building, who is Kate Cunningham. So Mony

567
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,079
Fontechio is more important than Jay and
Ivy that you could be like, well,

568
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:15,599
what if J andn Ivy gets to
catch and shoot stroke? He doesn't

569
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,559
have one right now, folks,
And so Kate Kate Cunningham is good now,

570
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,760
and so for next season you unless
J and I is gonna completely reinvent

571
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,559
himself. He is more important to
the Detroit Pistons than Jay and Ivy.

572
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:35,039
I just want to compliment you on
establishing the parameters for an argument that seems

573
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,079
absurd except within the parameters you've set
up, and then it's a logical argument,

574
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:42,280
just like really stellar work, because
you're right, like if you're trying

575
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,679
to in the sense of how do
we make the guys that matter on this

576
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,440
roster matter? More like he just
he's super important in that effort. Here's

577
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:57,239
here's the Galaxy brain thought, Simoony
Fontechio is more important to optimizing J n

578
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,199
Ivy than J n Ivy is stopped
on J andn Ivy at this Wait,

579
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,760
just like, yeah, J and
I's not gonna hit enough of his shots

580
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,719
to help manufacture him shels himself right
now. This is another case where we

581
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,679
have a restricted free agent where the
tough part quote unquote of the decision is

582
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,000
like, how come how high are
we going in terms of matching or just

583
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,519
throwing a number out. I mean, he's a dude that like I guess

584
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,800
Philly has buddy healed in the building. So but like Fontechio is a better

585
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,480
defender, has better size to him, but like that's a team I think

586
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,159
you could like, Okay, see, just like let's get someone with size

587
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:31,639
who can shoot and not he's not
really gonna help our rebounding, but he

588
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:37,159
won't hurt our defense San Antonio,
like any any team that's just like,

589
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,159
we need guys that can space and
move and and defense, like or who

590
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:45,320
likes saying Fontechio because yeah, who
doesn't other than Orlando probably not going to

591
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,280
Orlando among the cap space teams.
It's like he kind of works. Honestly,

592
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,039
he would work in Orlando too.
They need Why can't he work in

593
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,760
Orlando? I mean, but that's
that illustrates how valuable he is. It's

594
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,519
like that's the worst of the off
under with this, that might be a

595
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,000
separate good podcast of how much will
this player get paid this offseason? Bookmark

596
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,400
grant or Folks remind us that I
just asked for this the mid level exception

597
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,800
twelve twelve point four. I'll say
twelve and a half million, because twelve

598
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,159
point four is so weird over I
think he gets more than that. I

599
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,760
think he should. I think he
should. I would pay him more than

600
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,719
that, But I just said that. Jay and Ivy shouldn't even have been

601
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,800
drafted apparently, Yeah, Jay and
Navy should quit. That makes anybody mad.

602
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,159
I wasn't talking about the players in
a vacuum, but in terms of

603
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,760
partnering with Kate Cunningham, I still
believe it. That brings me to the

604
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,639
Golden State Warriors, and it's Gary
Payton's player out, it's Klay Thompson.

605
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,239
It's just how much do you people
a talking about? Yeah, he might

606
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,559
stay like for a hometown discount.
The fuck does that look like at this

607
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,920
point? Because what is Klay Thompson
worth to you in a vacuum? He

608
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,719
hit threes at a very good clip
this year, but he's just getting cooked

609
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,519
on defense on the ball. Away
from the ball, He's clearly not at

610
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,320
a point in his career where you
can count him to generate any sort of

611
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,480
space for himself with the ball in
his hands. I think he's still valuable.

612
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,840
And there's the nostalgic emotional component to
this. There's also the luxury tax

613
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,519
component to where if you actually,
you know, we talk about the Warriors

614
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:19,039
just being so expensive, they're technically
not really cheap, but like they're out

615
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,519
of the tax right now if they
just if they wave Chris Paul, like

616
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,159
many expect them to do. Yeah, let's let's assume a guarantee. Kavon

617
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,840
Looney like, they're just basically outside
of the tax at that point. I

618
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,280
think they're way outside of the tax
at that point. The number I have

619
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,559
them at, I'm looking at one
forty five point six, which is more

620
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,559
than thirty million dollars underneath attack.
So there are scenarios in which if you

621
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,000
wave Chris Paul, you can resign
Klay Thompson and stay out of the tax.

622
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,000
But one, how much is Klay
Thompson accepting? And two, like

623
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:51,719
I do think these two things are
related, What is the actual aim for

624
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,639
this team this summer is that?
I know Joe lacub said in February on

625
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,280
I think it was Tim Kywa Komi's
podcast, that it's not just about avoiding

626
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,039
the second aprin about getting out of
the attacks entirely this year. Again,

627
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,679
you can do that with Klay Thompson
on your roster. The method by which

628
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,000
you do it, though, one
depends on his paygrade, Two depends on

629
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,280
what you want to do with Chris
Paul, specifically, if you want to

630
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,199
waive him. Probably not much of
an issue but if you want to keep

631
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,199
him, is it okay removing Andrew
Wiggins? So I don't. I don't

632
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,239
know where it's gonna land, but
it's clearly the toughest decision because there's so

633
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,639
much that goes into forget about the
Warriors' payroll, but just like what is

634
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,360
Klay Thompson worth? Think about his
importance to the franchise? And then the

635
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,480
two other most important players to the
franchise and Draymond Green and Steph Curry.

636
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,280
Steve Kerr said, we need Klay
Thompson after the season or is he gonna

637
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,480
say anything else? And then finally, are there other teams that would say,

638
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,039
like we'll take a shot at like
we could use it like Orlando has

639
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,519
been a team that's been thrown out
there. Detroit could use him. Were

640
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:49,719
won't to just give him his MAX
or something over two years to get him

641
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,239
out of Golden State? I wouldn't, but I expect him to be back

642
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,880
in Golden State. But like,
what's a number that you're comfortable with as

643
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,280
a team paying Klay Thompson, specifically
that team being the Warriors. I think

644
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,760
that's the key. I think it's
different depending on which like if you're Orlando,

645
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,079
I think two years fifty million you
could totally justify, you know,

646
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:08,960
you go much higher than that if
it's that short of or one plus one

647
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:15,440
or like something like that. For
Golden State, I think for I would

648
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,840
be stunned if they offer anything close
to the two year forty eight the extension

649
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:27,440
that was reportedly offered before last season
that he turned down. That's not coming

650
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,920
back. I think for me,
if you went two years like forty million

651
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,320
or something like that, that's about
the I just don't think there's a case

652
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,320
to be made that he is worth
more than that. And that's before talking

653
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,119
about the tax implications and all the
other stuff you might have to do.

654
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,960
Like then you're definitely waving Chris Paul. Then you might even be hoping Gary

655
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,800
Payton does not opt out or does
opt out. Then you're then you're also

656
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,360
considering, like are we going to
really pull the ripcord on Kavon Looney with

657
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:01,239
that partial guarantee? Like so,
I think even sentiment is like impossible to

658
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,679
avoid with this particular case. And
so I guess, I guess there's a

659
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,920
way that Golden State might go above
like twenty million a year. But I

660
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,559
think much beyond that, and it's
just like it's just I don't want How

661
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:22,320
about this. I think if Thompson
is back with the Warriors, he will

662
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,920
by definition not be taking the biggest
contract he's been offered, and so I

663
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,320
don't know if that's something he's willing
to do, because he's been so prideful

664
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,679
and like probably pretty eager to show
that he can be what he was or

665
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,639
closer to it, like without all
the system and the hell, like I

666
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,239
could that's the scenario I could envision
where he's like, I'm gonna prove it.

667
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,119
I think two for forty is where
the Warriors should go. I think

668
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,320
another team probably could justify going higher. And then it's just a question of

669
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,679
like what does he want? You
know, I will say this and I

670
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,840
agree with everything you just said,
and I don't actually care what he gets

671
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,559
paid good for, like Thompson,
if they're gonna pay him for what he's

672
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:05,039
accomplished rather than what he's going to
do good, that's But if the Warriors

673
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,159
are given him more than twenty million
a year, and I don't even argue

674
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,400
if it's more than fifteen million dollars
a year, I will view them as

675
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,519
his team that is deeply unseerious about
making the most of what's remaining from Steph

676
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,119
Prime. And that's just it's nothing
to do with Klay Thompson specifically. I

677
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:22,480
just don't know what message that sends
that you're trying to pinch pennies and you're

678
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,079
going this route of paying someone who
is objectively to you just not worth maybe

679
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,639
in a vacuum he's worth ten fifteen
percent of the salary cap. He's not

680
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,079
worth that to you based off what
you need at this stage of where your

681
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,719
core is at. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I don't the idea

682
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,480
of that, of him coming back
at a too big of a number,

683
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,239
I don't know if I can get
on board with that shows they're not serious.

684
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,159
I feel like, well, because
if they want to stay out of

685
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,960
the tax and they're giving Klay Thompson
over twenty million dollars a year, that

686
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:59,519
is not yeah you too. Those
two goals are almost mutually explored two things,

687
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,400
or mutually exclusive of oh, can
we pay Klay Thompson twenty five million

688
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,719
dollars a year or duck the luxury
tax? Entirely they should be. They're

689
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,760
not mutually exclusive. Let make ta
clear. They should be. Yeah,

690
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:14,280
No, you're right. I mean, it's just like if he it's it's

691
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,159
so tough because there's so many non
basketball things that affect his free agency in

692
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,639
ways they just don't touch anybody else's. We're gonna talk about why they would

693
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,760
pay him. Yeah, we need
I would say that we need to stop

694
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,639
tricking ourselves into thinking that the Warriors
are gonna do anything other than just float

695
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:31,880
around the middle. If that's I'm
not I'm not advocate for them to let

696
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Thompson walk. Yeah, I just
they seem very hesitant to make the big

697
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,320
time swing on the trade market.
If they're so concerned about pinching pennies,

698
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:44,119
are they gonna be willing to even
make a big swing on the trade market

699
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,400
while paying Klay Thompson. I honestly
don't know. I'm gonna be fascinated to

700
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,760
see where his contract lands that gives
us or brings us to the Houston Rockets,

701
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,400
who have no like they're gonna pick
up Jay Shaun Tate's team option.

702
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:59,920
That's not a difficult decision. So
I'm looking at the non guarantees for them

703
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,639
because their fat which is Jack Landel
and Jeff Green. Jeff Green actually played

704
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:06,800
some minutes for them to some backup
five stuff. I think you just guarantee.

705
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,480
I would guarantee both of them,
But I think Jock Landell's a tougher

706
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:14,039
decision because he's not someone, especially
with the emergencies and improvement from alphern ching

707
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,039
Gun and Jabari Smith Junior, profiles
as someone who's going to play. However,

708
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:22,360
you look at just having that salary
number on your books, because you're

709
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,199
not going to be this massive cap
space team. Just keep the eight million

710
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,800
dollars slot so that you can use
it in a trade if you want to

711
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,239
make that push. You don't really
have to worry about a roster spot crunch

712
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,880
right now and looking at your own
draft pick commitments, and so I would

713
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,719
guarantee him. But it is kind
of a decision where what would we rather

714
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,639
just keep that roster spot open rather
than you know, are they gonna if

715
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,320
it's one thing, if you're using
it in a trade immediately, but if

716
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,159
that's something you're kind of kicking the
can down until the deadline, are you

717
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,880
going to guarantee it. It's a
very small decision in the grand scheme,

718
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,039
but I would, in the end
guarantee both Jeff Green and Jock Landel just

719
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,159
because those are contracts that could help
you in trade talks, and they also

720
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,960
just because they come off the books
after next year, they fit with your

721
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,239
squeaky clean twenty twenty five cap sheet, which that itself is pending because both

722
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,840
Alpern Shangun and Jail and Green are
currently extensional agrule, So maybe they're on

723
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,639
the books for more money than their
cap poles right now. But it's it's

724
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,000
such a low stakes decision for Houston. But I think I land at the

725
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,480
point of I mean, when you
look at some of the other guys who

726
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,440
could be traded, they don't make
a ton of money, and so it's

727
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,039
you know, if you're going to
include a you know, like like even

728
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,360
a And also some of the guys
are just so important, but like unless

729
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,599
you're reading Steven Adams as that guy, I guess Jayshan Tate, but he's

730
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,159
only at seven point one million,
and then Tari Easton probably on someoney if

731
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:43,920
he's healthy that you want to move
anyway, that's only three point seven and

732
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,920
then it's okay, well it's Fred
van Fleet and it's Dylan Brooks. Those

733
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,000
are the only players that are on
the books for more than fifteen million dollars

734
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,119
next season. Grant, I don't
know if you knew about the Rockets.

735
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,639
You have two players earning more than
fifty I get. I'm sure neither of

736
00:46:55,639 --> 00:47:00,360
them are untouchable, But when you're
just talking about building these trade packets,

737
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,719
it just feels it makes sense to
have both Jeff Green and Jock Landale in

738
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,519
your back pocket. To me,
yeah, I think that's right, just

739
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,880
because as you're talking, I'm looking
down their their salary list for like,

740
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,119
okay, what are some numbers that
they could flip if they let this,

741
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,400
you know, the nine point six
for Green in the eight for Landale come

742
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,519
off the books. It's like,
okay, all right, somebody's at nine

743
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,079
point seven. Oh that's Jobari Smith
Junior. Okay, that's not that's not

744
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,440
tradable salary. That's like a cornerstone
piece. Oh not nine point two,

745
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,000
Okay, that you can put that
together with a pick and some other salary

746
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,360
and get like a fifteen million dollar
Oh that's that's Aman Thompson. It's like,

747
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,280
forget it, Like there's just you
need those guys, or one of

748
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,320
them at least for that reason.
So yeah, another loads if you're patching.

749
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,280
Let's you Jalen Green as an example. You want someone who's making at

750
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,039
least a little bit you well,
you don't want You need someone or someonce

751
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:50,239
who are making those mid level salaries
that you can step out of your way

752
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,000
to the because you're not trading Jalen
Green for someone who's on a super cheap

753
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:58,719
deal. You're presumably making that trade
because you're getting a star who's making over

754
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,280
twenty million dollars, so you need
to get to that number something. Yeah,

755
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:05,519
all right, that takes me,
takes takes it back to me.

756
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Uh, and we are on the
Indiana Pacers here. I went with Pascal

757
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,719
Siakam, not because I think there's
any real intrigue or drama about like,

758
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:15,760
well maybe anything as we get deeper
into this, but about him leaving,

759
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,679
about another team signing him away.
It's just like we talked about this,

760
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,039
I guess with probably ogn Andobi the
other day. So there's the five year,

761
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:30,800
two forty seven ish million deal dollar
deal that Indiana can offer to me.

762
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:36,559
That should probably I wouldn't do that
because you don't have to. But

763
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,559
Indy can also offer about four for
one ninety. These will be slightly different

764
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,400
than I think the numbers we discussed
for OG, but these are close enough

765
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,320
versus another team can go four for
about one hundred and eighty three. So

766
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,239
Indiana can just have the best offer, full stop, no matter what.

767
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,199
And I be okay with him at
four for one ninety just because almost no

768
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,480
fuss. We move on like this
was a foregone conclusion when we traded for

769
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,840
him. It's just a question of, like, I don't know, do

770
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,320
they even need to go that high. Is there gonna be a four year

771
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,880
offer from another team out there that
pushes them to go all the way on

772
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,440
a four year deal or even I
don't know. I don't love this fit,

773
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:14,320
but like if it was a matter
of trying to get Indeed to pay

774
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,239
the most and they would have to
optimize, they're like, I wouldn't mind

775
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,119
okay See making a run, like
creating some additional cap space. I don't

776
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,000
love the fit, but just as
let's just put pressure on someone else,

777
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,199
he would be playing us to chet
Homegrin super interesting. Yeah, I think

778
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,960
okay See is gonna loom pretty often
here as a team. Well, I

779
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,559
mean there's not a ton of situations
like Siakam, but like anytime there's a

780
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,719
you know, someone needs a leverage
play, you know, the representation has

781
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,039
to come back to the Pacers in
this case and say, like, I

782
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,639
mean, we got this offer from
Okay, see, you know it's the

783
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,199
full boat for four years. You
guys have got to at least go,

784
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,000
you know, four for one ninety
and I don't know, give us like

785
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,960
a guaranteed parking spot or like something. They're just gonna use the Thunder as

786
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:59,360
leverage because the Thunder are the scariest
we could fuck around if you really want

787
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,199
us to team this offseason, you
know. But other than that, like

788
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,039
you know, the Pacers have a
couple other things to think about. What

789
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:12,360
obi Toppin's restricted uh TJ McConnell has
a non guarantee, which like the definitely

790
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,679
bring him back at nine point three, but that's more of an extension situation,

791
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,559
like right, yeah, how do
we give him thirty million a year

792
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,599
in the postseason? To think about
it, I did so I think there's

793
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:28,719
a chance Toppin could end up being
the more tough decision because if Pascal's Siakam's

794
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,920
market, it's just the four year
max. It's done and done. I'm

795
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,360
curious though your thoughts on and maybe
this would be the option that makes it

796
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,480
difficult. Would you be willing to
so a five year deal takes him through

797
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,320
his age thirty four season. If
you're lowering the average annual value, would

798
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,920
you consider going to that fifth year? And I don't know how much you

799
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,719
need to lower it, but is
it like, because if you're going to

800
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,719
go the full boat route over five
years, you're looking at two hundred and

801
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,400
forty five, it's about two hundred
and forty five million. It's a little

802
00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:00,440
bit more than that. It's like, would you do like five and one

803
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,559
hundred and twenty five or something like
just to lower the or is that just

804
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,639
not enough of a shaving off the
top because I can't imagine five for two

805
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,239
hundred. It guarantees him like a
good amount of money, But if you

806
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,480
could get a four for one ninety, why would you sign like a five

807
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,000
for two hundred? Tight? You
know what I mean? Yeah? I

808
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:20,679
mean so, so what you's game? It out like what you've gained from

809
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,800
Indiana's perspective, because they're the ones
that you'd have to like twist their arm

810
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,840
to do the five. Maybe maybe
I don't know, maybe they think just

811
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,880
the fifth year on it would be
worth going to two forty seven for whatever

812
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,920
reason. I just think that's based
on the idea that he's more valuable as

813
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,440
a trade chip because he's under contract
for longer, which is always the way

814
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,679
we used to evaluate longer term deals
is like, well, this guy's worth

815
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,360
four first rounders because he's got four
years left. And this guy's got only

816
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,239
two years left, so you can't
give up as much in return because he

817
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,280
may leave, and you know,
it's not a rental, but it's not

818
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,880
like this guy's on the books for
half a decade or whatever. I'm not

819
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,039
sure there's enough of a payoff in
terms of like preserved trade value because of

820
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,280
his age to justify a fifth year
if you don't have to do it,

821
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,000
and Indiana doesn't have to do it. So like because if you and then

822
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,840
if you're Siakam and you're offered five
for two, you would you say two

823
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,320
twenty five or two fifteen or something. Then it's like, well, wouldn't

824
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,000
I rather get back to free agency
one year earlier and assume I can make

825
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,719
up that difference and more? You
know, And there's also the options that

826
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,920
he signed shorter term to then go
back into free agency and capitalize on the

827
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,159
ten year max because this was his
eighth season, I believe, until he's

828
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,360
like, right, what if it
what if it's a two plus one or

829
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,039
we we haven't even talked about a
two plus one or a three plus one

830
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,239
or something like that, that might
almost benefit Indie because it just gives them

831
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,079
more time, like because if things
really don't pan out, or if you

832
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,000
start to see him on the decline, it's okay, this conference now at

833
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:49,440
least a year shorter, right,
and then if he's playing really well,

834
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,880
you're probably yeah, okay, we'll
worry about if we have to pay him

835
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,239
more when the time and from his
perspective, that's like a bet on yourself

836
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,360
thing, which you know, given
the hyper confidence of all these guys,

837
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,599
is not like the most outlandish,
you know, hypothetical. Let's move to

838
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:06,079
the Clippers though, that's that's your
team I picked. So it's between James

839
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,519
Harden or Paul George, and I
picked up Paul George who has the player

840
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:13,800
option just because he has a market
that James Harden does not. I don't

841
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,480
know what team I think figuring out
James Harden's number is going to be a

842
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:24,159
difficult proposition, But where is the
leverage coming from that pigeonholes you into number

843
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,840
X when you're looking at the cap, like certainly not Philly. So it's

844
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:34,079
just like where I don't see any
outside forces pressuring the Clippers in any way.

845
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,199
And this also feels like something they
probably hammered out before they ever traded

846
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,840
for him. And so I look
at Paul George and still has yet to

847
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,480
sign an extension. If he opts
out, he can sign a four year

848
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,960
max that is worth a boatload of
money. It's four years and two hundred

849
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,159
and twenty one point one million dollars
roughly. Do you just give him that

850
00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,599
when you didn't give Kawhi Leonard like
like that full boat type like he decided

851
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:04,400
to extend and Paul George did not, and so you kind of saved it.

852
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,199
You added a year of flexibility because
you weren't committed to him for as

853
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,159
long. But you're really gonna let
him walk or trade him for minimum return

854
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,760
because it doesn't at this point,
it's like, well, I don't know

855
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,119
how much money they're actually haggling over
because like the years are set because of

856
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,159
the over thirty eight, Like he
can do he can go up to this,

857
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,239
And I'm just it really probably shouldn't
be difficult, but now that you've

858
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:30,000
got no point where he could very
easily just reach free agency and maybe doesn't

859
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,400
sign an extension, it is super
difficult. And I'm like, I'm kind

860
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,760
of at a point where, Okay, you could in theory save a bunch

861
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,000
of money if you let him walk, But like you have Kawhi Leonard,

862
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:44,280
you're gonna resign, James Harden,
You're gonna be in the second apron probably

863
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,000
anyway, even if you let Paul
George walk for nothing. And here's the

864
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,079
thing, you can't let him walk
for nothing because yes, you might have

865
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:53,079
some first round equity to trade,
uh, but the trade restrictions are punitive.

866
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,639
And I like, I it feels
like this shouldn't be difficult, but

867
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,559
because he hasn't extended yet, it
seems like it's going to be. That's

868
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:06,519
my question here. It's clearly you're
right, it's clearly Paul George. What

869
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,960
do you what do you make of
Kawhi extending and Paul George not like because

870
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,559
there's two ways to go, I
think, which is like the Clippers offered

871
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:19,039
a similar extension and Paul George said
no, or they didn't offer a similar

872
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:23,400
extension, and were they I'm very
if they're yeah, it's I don't The

873
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,519
QUI stuff is just like this is
where he really wants to be. We

874
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,480
know that because of how he got
there, and so he just decided he

875
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,360
knows his own injury history, and
so we just decided, yeah, this

876
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,159
might be more franchise friendly than But
I'm still like it was so it was

877
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,840
like so close. It wasn't the
maximum number of years, yes, so

878
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,199
in terms of your sacrificing money,
but like it was close enough to what

879
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,400
would have been his max salary that
it's okay, what was the concession really

880
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,039
there? I'm just I want to
know what the actual issue is with,

881
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:54,880
like how much money are the Clippers
trying to sign him below the max?

882
00:55:55,039 --> 00:56:00,360
That's what I mean. Like,
so does it mean that that Paul George

883
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,360
views himself as more valuable than Kawhi
Leonard on the open market? And then

884
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,840
it's the getting into the whole question
of like, well is that actually true?

885
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,719
I don't know, you could make
a case, I guess, or

886
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:13,480
do the Clippers clearly think he's worth
less than Kawhi Leonard, which is like

887
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,519
another one. Yeah, you can
make that case. Even with Kawai's unavailability,

888
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,199
the ceiling is still just higher than
Paul George's in terms of what you

889
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,960
get with Kawhi Leonard theoretically if he's
if he's healthy. It's just it's fascinating.

890
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,159
It just seemed like I thought for
sure once Kawai signed the extension,

891
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,760
it's like, we'll get an identical
one for George and like an end of

892
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,559
conversation, we don't have to think
about this. It's just I'll be fascinated

893
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,119
in the wake of him signing someplace
when all the details come out about like

894
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,239
how the whole extension thing shook out
with the Clippers onto the Los Angeles Lakers,

895
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,079
where there's really only one option because
Darbnham is gone, so it's not

896
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:52,079
gonna be Torrian Prince, Like,
how do we figure out how to max

897
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:57,800
him out? It's the Endsvill Russell, and he has a player option which

898
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,360
everyone expects him to decline. And
now, if you have never watched D'Angelo

899
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,000
Russell before, you might think he's
in line to make quite a bit of

900
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:08,000
money this season. But the D'Angelo
Russell experience is such that he tantalizes you

901
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,119
sometimes for long stretches at a time, only to not come through when it

902
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:15,960
matters most. And that was the
track he followed this season, albeit in

903
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,159
a flashy matter because he was so
good for them for most of the regular

904
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:21,960
season. Uh, it never should
have been. Well, he's still good,

905
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,559
Like we don't really need Donovan Mitchell
or Tree Young here, Like we're

906
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:27,599
good, we're good, we got
we got d Lo. However, if

907
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,559
he's gonna opt out, you're not
in the best like you do have other

908
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:35,480
salary matching tools for trades. I'm
looking at and maybe you feel differently.

909
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,519
I'm looking at him purely as a
player to be traded from the Lakers,

910
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:44,239
and you want to preserve that asset. It's not I guess the disaster scenario

911
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,519
of don for the Lakers not a
disaster scenario in a vacuum. Let's say

912
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:51,239
Donovan Mitchell signs the extension, and
then it's well, we're not gonna have

913
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,079
the best offer for Trey Young or
the Hawks aside not to move him.

914
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,960
We don't think Dejontay Murray's high enough, and I don't really love Darius Carlin

915
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,199
for this team. But so if
you can't get a league guard, then

916
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,840
danzelrstill becomes important to you. But
the fact that you're on the hunt for

917
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,760
a league guard speaks to the actual
importance of D'Angelo Russell to you. What

918
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,519
is the number you come in at? Then his cap hole is gonna be

919
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:15,400
almost twenty six million if he opts
out, they do have room. Assuming

920
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,840
he ops out and they're not gonna
carry his cap hold, they have a

921
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,480
ton of room beneath the luxury at
tax almost thirty million dollars. That doesn't

922
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:25,639
necessarily matter as much when you're a
Lebron James team and operating on his window,

923
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:30,239
But it's in a weird spot where
it's well, you can't afford to

924
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,000
lose him necessarily for nothing, but
maybe you can, because unless it's a

925
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,679
sign and trade, you're not gonna
be able to move him right away,

926
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,280
and you need his cooperation and a
side and trade, not just a team

927
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,960
to be interested in him. And
when you do have other salary matching tools

928
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,880
Mikah Jared Vanderbilt, like a Gabe
Vincent, like a Ruby Hachimra, Is

929
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,239
it that important to roll over d
lo salary slot, especially if doesn't it

930
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,119
get harder if you know you're gonna
go out and acquire guard X to make

931
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,719
that decision, or maybe it doesn't
because if you know that, oh well

932
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:02,519
we had to include Gabe Vincent and
Austin Reeves and that deal for Trey Young,

933
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:06,639
like we might as well just keep
D'Angelo Russell. Anyway, I just

934
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,480
this is my incoherent rambling way of
saying it feels like this could go in

935
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:15,280
so many different directions. And to
top it all off, before I throw

936
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,199
it to you, I don't know
which team is gonna come in and make

937
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:22,320
the Lakers pay through the teeth for
D'anzelo Russell. Maybe because it's the Lakers,

938
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,920
we see some gamesman ship from another
team, which I'd be all in

939
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,480
favor of. Orlando was just like
we know that they're gonna like he's gonna

940
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:30,880
go back to them and we're going
to force them to pay twenty one million

941
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,519
dollars a year for three years for
Danzel Russell or something. Did you say

942
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,280
specifically whether you thought he would he
would decline this player option or not.

943
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,639
I think he will, just because
I think he's in a position to guarantee

944
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,119
himself over the even if he ends
up signing three for forty five, Like

945
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:49,239
you've guaranteed yourself quite a bit of
money. Then I agree, I think

946
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,320
he I think he will too.
I just get a little, just a

947
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,239
little bit of pause thinking about,
like, well, who really is going

948
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,440
to come in and you know,
start him at a number that's close to

949
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:04,519
his eighteen or I guess his cap
holds almost twenty six. I don't think

950
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,599
anybody's coming in with an offer starting
there. But yeah, like I I

951
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,960
guess, well, I guess I
would say an answer to the one of

952
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:16,960
the questions you asked, I only
ever view D'Angelo Russell as a salary to

953
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,320
be traded, Like I don't.
I don't really ever view him as someone

954
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,599
that's like a little bit you know, a little hyperbolic. But yeah,

955
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:28,400
from the Lakers perspective, it is
a really interesting dynamic that they need a

956
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,639
lead guard, and getting D'Angelo Russell
back on the roster so that he can

957
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:36,400
be traded is very important in acquiring
a lead guard, because that lead guard

958
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,119
is not D'Angelo Russell. I just
like, I don't, I don't see

959
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:45,639
how anyone is like even a Lebron
James, we should mention as a player

960
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,000
option, But like all indications are
the Lakers will do whatever he wants in

961
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,280
terms of contract years and dollars,
and that's not going to be remotely dramatic

962
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,280
odds are. So that is like
a higher profile situation. It's just there's

963
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,960
I don't feel like the that is
a tough decision. I don't think like

964
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:07,119
for really anybody on either side of
it. The next team is the Memphis

965
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,000
Grizzlies. Really only one option here
unless you think that, and we already

966
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,280
know he's going back to Japan,
so it's not Yuda want anabi here.

967
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,880
Luke Canard has a team option for
about fourteen point seven fourteen point eight million

968
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,599
Memphis. If you remove that team
option, and there's we're talking about a

969
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,639
franchise that is going to be cost
conscious. I think we can all agree

970
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,639
they're about seven to eight, maybe
nine million dollars under the luxury tax,

971
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:32,760
depending on some other decisions. So
if you pick up Kannard's team option,

972
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,039
you were just automatically a tax team
unless you're doing any other cost cutting maneuvers.

973
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,239
And it's well, then you get
into where's the cost cutting coming from

974
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:45,719
if you don't have if it's like
you're trading just dumping Daier Williams and six

975
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,480
million, like, because you're not
going to trade Morant Jaron Jackson junior.

976
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:52,760
It seems like they're pretty married to
Marcus Smart. Do you look at dumping

977
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,119
Brandon Clark looming over all this though? Is this team shout out to Gigi

978
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,320
Jackson making All Rookie second Team?
He didn't make first team? Right,

979
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,599
Yeah, he was second team,
So you still need to wing. You

980
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:08,679
kind of need to at least add
one other big and that's gonna maybe go

981
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,039
rise to two if Brandon Clark ends
up being moved in some type of salary

982
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:15,679
dump. At the same time,
you're not nearly a good enough shooting team

983
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,679
in terms of volume more efficiency.
Yet just say, well, we don't

984
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:23,079
need Lukenard's motion shooting. I would
argue that you do. However, we're

985
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:27,400
talking about another season where he's playing
in less than half of it. He

986
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:31,320
has all these sorts of lower body
injuries, basically around the knees. I

987
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,440
don't know what you do there.
I mean, this is not my money.

988
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,880
I'd pick up the team option because
I think that he's a super useful

989
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,440
piece to a team that has contending
aspirations. When it's at full strength.

990
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:46,480
But if Memphis is concerned about either
preserving access to the full mid level exception

991
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:50,280
or just ducking the tacks entirely,
which I don't think should be the goal.

992
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,679
But I'm sure that they have scenarios
mapped out in which that probably is

993
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:54,840
the goal. If I'm being honest, they probably don't want to be a

994
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,320
tax team next year. And I
get it from the stance of Okay,

995
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,920
well, Jared Jacks is eventually going
to be earning more. We have year

996
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,400
a bunch of years left on the
desmon Vane extension. John Moran's eventually gonna

997
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,440
have a new contract. Still,
I would keep him. I don't know

998
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:12,960
if they do because of the injuries
and the perspective tax situation. This is

999
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:16,000
like a true tough decision because there's
arguments to be made on both sides,

1000
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:20,199
and you laid them out. I
think, I just my gut is that

1001
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:25,119
they will keep him, if only
because maybe you can like well, one

1002
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:29,920
because like a healthy version of Lukenard
really helps his team. Like that's and

1003
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,320
that's kind of always true. It's
just you don't get the healthy version version

1004
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,360
basically ever. And two because again, like you're just preserving the asset.

1005
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,519
We can flip him for something if
you want to cut money, you know,

1006
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:43,639
down the line, trade him for
somebody check or whatever. That's something

1007
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:45,360
we should mention because we mentioned in
Haber Fotba all the time. They might

1008
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,719
enter next season in the tax.
Like, if they decide that's that's I

1009
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:51,400
think why you keep them too.
If you need to get out of the

1010
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,079
tech or need want to do it
to trade deadline, then I know it's

1011
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:58,639
harder to find those cost cutting maneuvers. But his salary is like mid level,

1012
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:00,400
we enough to where you could probably
do it. I think that's right.

1013
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,800
Yeah, No, that's that feels
like the truest tough decision we've had

1014
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,239
so far, and we're halfway through, so I don't know, maybe there

1015
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,639
aren't really any difficult ones. I
have the Miami Heat next here, So

1016
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,320
I initially had Hayward high Smith here
just because I, oh, there's a

1017
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,280
bunch of guys with with player options
that like, well as that really free

1018
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,679
agency, I'm gonna pivot here.
Highsmith is an unrestricted free agent. I

1019
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:25,840
think he's valuable to the Heat.
His cap hold is like two million dollars,

1020
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,559
so it just he was he was
my initial pick. I think it's

1021
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:34,199
probably Caleb Martin with a player option
for about seven point one million of the

1022
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:38,159
guy, and there are several Kevin
Love has a player option, Josh Richardson,

1023
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:41,199
and Thomas Bryant. To me,
Martin is the guy of that group.

1024
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:44,920
That's clearly like, I mean,
he's started playoff games for them and

1025
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,320
has been you know, in the
finals, was a huge piece. I

1026
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:51,159
just like, I wonder if the
Heat are of the mind that, like,

1027
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:55,320
well, we don't need this guy. We can find the next Caleb

1028
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,760
Martin. We can build him out
of whatever. Maybe that next guy is

1029
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,960
Hayward high Smith, who will bring
back on another minimum and he suddenly is

1030
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,599
like a ten million dollar player.
The Heat don't have a ton to do

1031
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:08,599
here small scale. The bigger issues
are obviously like the Jimmy Butler extension or

1032
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,960
lack thereof a potential Donovan Mitchell trade, like all all kinds of stuff.

1033
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,159
Do we what do we do with
Tyler Hero That like, that's a movable

1034
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,920
salary. The Heat are flushed with
movable numbers, by the way, It's

1035
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,599
just a question of like does anybody
want Tyler Hero at that rate? Separate

1036
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:25,840
issue, but do you agree that
it's Martin versus high Smith, even though

1037
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,760
high Smith is technically is actually going
to be a free agent no matter what

1038
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,599
I think Martin is too. I
don't think, yeah, I would,

1039
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,840
just because he seems like such a
formality to decline his player option. That

1040
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,199
is someone who another guy that I
don't think you can name a team that

1041
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,239
it doesn't make sense that has catchpace
to go after him. And even if

1042
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:44,599
you have your mid level, like
that feels like his floor right is the

1043
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:49,360
twelve point four million dollar mL.
Yeah, I guess probably, so I

1044
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:56,360
struggle with the idea that well,
I mean, do the heat go that

1045
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,480
high? That's the question. I
mean, I don't. I guess maybe,

1046
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,800
But they have so many other It
feels like they have so many other

1047
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,440
things to consider that like devoting fifteen
million or whatever ends up being, or

1048
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:09,960
just the mid level to Martin is
a mid level money they have if you

1049
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,400
take his player option out of the
equation, like they're a lot closer to

1050
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,400
the second apron that I think people
realize they're inside fifteen million without that's assuming

1051
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,199
Kevin Love picks up his player option. That's without like, Okay, what

1052
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:26,280
do we pay Caleb, like if
you give him the mid level money twelve

1053
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,920
point formulae, like that eats up
all your flexibility below the second apron.

1054
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,039
And oh, by the way,
that's not including bringing back Thomas Bryant or

1055
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:36,159
Joshus is injured. But it's you
know, and that's not including paying Hayward

1056
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:42,440
high Smith who you just mentioned.
Yeah, right, so it's amazing,

1057
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,880
like it gets them right. I
don't know if you said this, like

1058
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,760
right to one ninety if you give
fifteen million to Caleb Martin and that's not

1059
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,320
including guys on minimums for some of
those other roster spots, so like that's

1060
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,320
your second aproning real hard pretty much
like probably no matter what. So maybe

1061
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,599
maybe it's not that hard of a
decision on Martin, but and maybe because

1062
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:03,599
he had an offensive down year and
I just don't that's I think that's another

1063
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:06,559
tough decision for them because I don't
think that they're going to want to pay

1064
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:11,760
that much for a team that clearly
isn't ready to contend as currently constructed.

1065
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,880
But if you lose Kaylen Martin,
I would argue that you're a significantly worse

1066
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,519
team. I guess having Nikola Yovich
and Jaime Hawkes helps you whether that a

1067
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:24,880
little bit, but I mean,
yeah, all right, that's it's back

1068
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,800
to me again. I have the
Milwaukee Bucks just just a trove of like

1069
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,679
high high value, high leverage decisions
to make. Here. When I initially

1070
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:39,639
put this together, the question was
Beverly or Beasley, And that was before

1071
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:45,440
Patrick Beverly played aggressive catch with fans
in the stands. Uh catch are you

1072
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:49,320
doing pr for Patrick? Be catch? He was just trying to involve the

1073
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:55,159
fans, And so Beverly seems like
he's not coming back. But then really,

1074
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:58,000
for anybody, there are several other
guys who played for minimums that are

1075
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,039
free agents, that include Jay Crowder
the Nasis. Didn't he tear his achilles

1076
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:05,880
nastas recently, so I mean he'll
still get the minimum probably, And then

1077
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,920
Beasley, Beverly or the other guys. It's like, I don't know,

1078
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,079
is it a tough decision to offer
the only thing you can, which is

1079
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:15,199
the minimum, to those guys and
hope somebody takes it, like what decision

1080
01:08:15,279 --> 01:08:19,079
they can offer Beasley one hundred and
twenty percent? All right, sorry,

1081
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:24,199
so he might make three million or
whatever it is. No, he's gone,

1082
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,520
he's gone. He's someone to get
mid level money, right, well,

1083
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,319
maybe not mid level, but he'll
get like he could get a four

1084
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,239
for forty four for fifty, someone
will give him the mini M. I

1085
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:36,520
would probably give him a short term
like full Emily if I have it,

1086
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,880
just that the shooting itself would be
monstrous. But he's he's not gonna be

1087
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,199
in Milwaukee, so there's really no
decision there for them. Also, all

1088
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:47,600
their free agents decisions, maybe with
the exception of j Crowder, really aren't

1089
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,640
their own. That's what I mean, like they don't. This is we're

1090
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:56,840
seeing here with Milwaukee. I think
the truest or the most profound like impact

1091
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,880
of the second Apron already, where
it's just like they don't have the bird

1092
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:01,319
rights on some of these guys,
but they have it on Jay Crowder.

1093
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,479
So there's that, But that is
that that might be the decision where it's,

1094
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,760
well, do we like if let's
they could probably get Jake Crowder back

1095
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:14,119
for the money well they can offer. If you could get get Jake Crowder

1096
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:15,960
back for a very small number,
you would probably just do it to preserve

1097
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,239
the death. But you do maybe
now have to game this and be like,

1098
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:23,960
do we give Jay Crowder more than
anyone should be giving Jay Crowder just

1099
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,800
so that we can have a tradable
slot. Or do they view it as

1100
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,199
like we have Pat Connaton's money,
like you put it. At the same

1101
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:33,359
time, it's like that's so low
and when you can't aggregate, that's going

1102
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,880
to be an issue you run into. So it might be Jay Crowder.

1103
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:41,279
For me, I think it's just
the The toughest decision is, well,

1104
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:47,039
how do we best deploy the resources
we like the scant few resources that we

1105
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:50,359
actually have at Artisable. I love
it. No, that's so what can

1106
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:56,199
they do with Crowder? Can they
can go they because he was Yeah,

1107
01:09:56,199 --> 01:09:59,039
because he signed a deal off a
previous one. It was for a lower

1108
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:00,840
number, so they should to have
his bird rights unless for some reason they

1109
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:04,359
renounced them last season and I didn't
see it. So you could give Crowder.

1110
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,960
Say they want to put a mid
level, Yeah, you can max

1111
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,359
out Jake Crowder if you want to. If I'm mistaken, someone could correct

1112
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:15,000
me. But I am pretty on
top of this stuff normally. Yeah.

1113
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:18,680
So I know that you know you're
That makes it clearer that that Jay Crowder

1114
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:24,119
is the guy because everybody else,
like you said, it's like, it's

1115
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:27,239
not your decision, Bucks, there's
no you're not deciding anything. It's just

1116
01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:29,800
like you put the offer out there
for the minimum or one hundred and twenty

1117
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,479
percent of the minimum, and either
guys, except you could say that Patrick

1118
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:38,239
Beverly's a decision in the sense that
he would probably come back because I don't

1119
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,319
know what team is going to offer
him more. But now you're dealing with

1120
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,000
Okay, he's also suspended to start
the year, so that becomes a decision.

1121
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:45,600
But if they want to do anything
on the trade market, because they

1122
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,439
will have a first round pick to
dangle at the deadliner over this offseason technically,

1123
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,720
and you don't think Pat Conington's what
is his number going to be a

1124
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,920
nine million next this is at nine
point four. That might be big enough

1125
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,520
for them to say, Okay,
we're not gonna, you know, really

1126
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,960
fuck with to Jay Crowder number.
But it is nine point four doesn't even

1127
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,479
get you, Alex Caruso, I
don't think so. If you like,

1128
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:09,199
that's the name you're staring at it. Deadline is just an example that's how

1129
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:12,439
hard it is when you're going to
be a second aprin team. All right,

1130
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:17,560
talk to me about Minnesota. We
have done something that no other podcast,

1131
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,720
any sports, any podcast, has
been able to do. It.

1132
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,920
We found a way to talk about
the Timbermost financial situation during the Western Conference

1133
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,159
Finals. We really should. I'm
not gonna pat myself on the back because

1134
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,399
I'm just so amped I might dislocate
my shoulder by complimenting us too much.

1135
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,920
No one else is doing this.
It comes down to Kyle Anderson or Monte

1136
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,199
Morris and I've I've jostled back and
forth more on this during the playoffs because

1137
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,880
both of them are averaging under twelve
minutes per game. Kyle Anderson is playing

1138
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,600
slightly more than he is. I
landed with Kyle Anderson because I think that

1139
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,439
backup point guard's a bigger need for
them. But it feels like he is

1140
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,640
someone who will have more of a
market than Montey Morris and just sitting here

1141
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:02,439
right now, no just penciling in
the requisite cap holds here, not including

1142
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,199
Monte Morris, Kyle Henderson. The
Timberwolves will wake up in the lead new

1143
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:10,439
calendar year like a half million dollars
away from being a second Apron team.

1144
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,079
So they're a second Aprin team.
What are you doing? I think you

1145
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:18,359
can argue that is Kyle Anderson more
expendable to them because you have Naz Reed,

1146
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,479
you have Rudy Gobert, you have
Karl Anthony Towns. Maybe Leonard Miller

1147
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,680
pops that like they give him some
run next year or is it well,

1148
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:29,920
is that a salary slot that we
need to preserve, because when you look

1149
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,039
at these other if we're gonna pay
through the teeth and do this for a

1150
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:34,119
year or two, we're not gonna
move a Jane McDaniels or a Karl Anthony

1151
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:40,319
Towns then and we don't have all
these other just mid rung type of stunt.

1152
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,800
Like every one is like they're there, their salary is very allocated towards

1153
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,720
the top of their roster. It's
you have Rudy Gobert, you have Affy

1154
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,960
Edwards extensions kicking in, Karl Anthony
Town's extension kicking in, Jane mcdaniels's extension

1155
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,159
kicking in, and it's like we're
moving Mike Commedy when he's making under ten

1156
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:58,880
million dollars a year, and'll be
just fucking stupid. Yeah, we have

1157
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,880
nos Reid. Okay, that's a
number we could move, But do you

1158
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,439
view Nasrina is expendable and then is
there like a protest in the city of

1159
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,399
Minnesota. Well, if you decide
to move Nasrin, like, he doesn't

1160
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:11,600
feel like someone they could ever trade. So I settled on Kyle Anderson,

1161
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,800
but you could talk me into to
Monte Morris. But either one of them,

1162
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,720
it's and certainly both of them if
you want to look it as they

1163
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,880
can pay both, will they?
I would guess I think it's more what's

1164
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,399
more likely they let both walk or
they bring back both Kyle Anderson and Monte

1165
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:32,319
Morris. Probably letting bringing back both
seems would be a surprise, So I

1166
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:36,760
guess it's got to be more likely
that they let both walk. I really

1167
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,039
go back and forth too. I
think I guess it's weird because like,

1168
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:44,159
if you're just viewing whichever of the
two, let's say they bring one back

1169
01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:46,239
as like, oh, this is
a salary slot we're trying to preserve for

1170
01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:50,239
whatever reason. We're in the tech
second apron anyway, so whatever, not

1171
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:54,880
Like letting both go doesn't like take
us out of that status because we'll sign

1172
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,720
someone for the minimum and then we're
over. Anyway, I just keep thinking

1173
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:05,079
about Mike Conley being thirty six.
Uh, and it's actually closer to thirty

1174
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:11,520
seven now. Uh. And just
like I don't know that Monte Morris is

1175
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,399
the guy that you're like, oh
good, we have him when Mike Conley

1176
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:18,439
misses a month, like we're okay. But the position, I would say

1177
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,199
is the one where like things could
go sideways. Whereas like if Kyle Anderson's

1178
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:26,439
hurt, you still have the other
three bigs, you still have McDaniels that

1179
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,560
can play the four whatever, So
like, from just who matters more to

1180
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,720
the team, it might be Morris
and that might make him the one that

1181
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,600
you bring back, like even though
I think Kyle Anderson is probably just a

1182
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:41,920
better player or has shown to be
a better player at times. But yeah,

1183
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,920
I just I think that I'm so
nervous about what happens to them without

1184
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,520
Conley, and you should just assume
you will be without him for a stretch

1185
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:53,359
next year or more because of his
age. Like that's just that's got to

1186
01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:57,760
be priced in. So I really
want Kyle Lowry to sign with the Timberwolves

1187
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,840
on a minimum contract, if that's
if anyone cares about one thing I want

1188
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,439
to happen or that or Denver I'd
love to see Kyle Lowry on one of

1189
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,800
those teams as the backup, or
he'll just be back in Philly, right,

1190
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,239
Well, that's probably the most likely
outcome, especially they might need to

1191
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:13,199
pay him just because they can't tend
their cat space everywhere. We're sticking with

1192
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:17,960
me in the New Orleans Pelicans,
they are like between fourteen and fifteen million

1193
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,960
dollars underneath the attacks. When you
look at next year, that does not

1194
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:27,359
include a new contract for Jonas Valentunis, and it does not include what Naji

1195
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:33,079
Marshall should be worth on the open
market. So I think the decision it's

1196
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:38,680
Jonas Valentiunas for me because I know
that the reporting is he's just going to

1197
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,319
leave, and that might be what
happens. But okay, now what are

1198
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:45,560
you doing? Is it you're just
gonna sign a big off the scrap heap

1199
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,800
or run it back with Cody Zeller
and then a lot of Larry and Junior.

1200
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,279
Do we see more Zion at the
five? What does that due to

1201
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:55,960
the physical toll that's already extracted on
him when you look at all his injury

1202
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,199
history, and like losing that salary
slop comes a big deal for you too,

1203
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:04,600
because it's okay if you're willing to
move brandon Ingram or CJ. McCollum.

1204
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,920
And perhaps that's why it's not as
big of a deal to just lose

1205
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,159
down on trewedness as it would be
for other teams who want to preserve the

1206
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:15,199
salary slot because you have money to
make trades. But when you're also talking

1207
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:16,880
about moving what are right now core
pieces of your team to do, so

1208
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,840
you lack sort of the mid end
expendable salaries where it's okay, Larry Nance

1209
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,800
at eleven is right there, but
like you're not moving Herb Jones, that's

1210
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,439
stupid. Do you count Dyson Daniels
at only six point one? And also

1211
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,359
just like hey, you need it'd
be nice to have an above average center

1212
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,920
on this roster and that you're not
going to get that replicate that on the

1213
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,960
open market when you look at the
names were available. So I understand why

1214
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,840
you wouldn't want to pay him with
the intention of keeping him. Is this

1215
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,279
a sign a trade situation? We
know? I will believe the Pelicans paying

1216
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:46,840
the tacks when I see it.
Their fans have told this many times when

1217
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,479
they said they were going to pay
the tax when they Okay, when they

1218
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:55,079
do, I will I will believe
that they paid the tax. I think

1219
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:57,840
people are making it out to be
an easier decision than it actually is.

1220
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,439
Like Yonas Valentiunas in a vacuum,
a team that just doesn't have Yes,

1221
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,399
they can make trades, but making
trades then cost you assets as well,

1222
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:09,079
so you'd be losing Jonas Valentnis,
losing other players and picks. I don't

1223
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:12,479
think it's as easy of a decision. And then just very quickly, I

1224
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,239
wonder how much Naji Marshall gets,
Like, are they the team that's going

1225
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:17,840
to want to pay him too,
especially if they bring back Valentiunis and are

1226
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,520
either in the tacks or very close
to it at that point. Yeah,

1227
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,399
I was gonna ask you because you
led with Marshall to some extent, like

1228
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:30,439
he's gonna get certainly more than the
mini mL e right, like he's more

1229
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,199
than a five million dollar player.
I don't think he's a full mL guy

1230
01:17:33,279 --> 01:17:38,439
maybe, although like I wouldn't stun
me if he got close to like a

1231
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:44,159
full mL level starting salary. But
with Valentiunis, like for sure, he

1232
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,119
seemed like this guy's a goner.
Like the only thing we know about the

1233
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,600
Pelicans is that they need an upgrade
at center, Like you know, that's

1234
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,119
all we have. Well, anyone
ever talks about kind of true valentis you

1235
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:55,680
said above average, Like he's above
average a lot of things. I think

1236
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,880
everyone would agree that, Like he's
not the guy getting Nerorleans to the next

1237
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,760
level. So he's clearly gone.
And then you just start thinking about like,

1238
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:06,359
well, well, one who's gonna
pay him more than say, like

1239
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:12,079
the fifteen he made this past year. I'm not sure. And then there

1240
01:18:12,119 --> 01:18:15,640
may be a scenario where New Orleans
actually gets to bring him back at a

1241
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,119
lower number potentially, like if you
could go I don't know, like three

1242
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:26,239
years, forty or something like that, and then he's like more tradeable at

1243
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:30,439
that number down the line, or
like I just the idea of him coming

1244
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,359
back, which seemed like just totally
not worth considering, is now suddenly seems

1245
01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:38,079
like I don't know if it's likely, but it's like on the table.

1246
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:41,000
And then some right like which is
just not where you thought you'd be.

1247
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,079
No, and so it's I think
it's it's part of a larger thing that

1248
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:46,159
they have to figure out. But
again, if you just say well,

1249
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:48,920
they're gonna move brandon Ingram anyway and
break him up into multiple players. And

1250
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,439
it's okay, but you already needed
to add shooting if you're gonna use that

1251
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,479
vehicle, and now you need to
make sure that you're also getting a big

1252
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,840
back as part of that. And
okay, by the way, he was

1253
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,520
the closest thing you had to an
actual co star when you're looking offensively.

1254
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,880
It's just that's not CG. McCollum
anymore, if it ever was, and

1255
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,000
you'd be like, Trey Murphy is
not. I don't think he's in wanting

1256
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:13,079
to make like a LEAPERDS. Look
at Trey Murphy's like really running things and

1257
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:15,600
creating all this stuff from scratch.
So you also have to factor that into

1258
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,680
the equation. All right, I've
got the Knicks here. We've talked about

1259
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,960
this actually quite a bit on the
previous podcast we did, so we don't

1260
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,199
need to go nuts on it.
I have Anonobi. It's kind of the

1261
01:19:28,279 --> 01:19:33,199
same exact analysis as Sam, where
it's just like the Knicks don't have to

1262
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:38,479
go five years, they can go
for four. And I have the numbers

1263
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,039
here, I don't when we take
it's the same as them. So like

1264
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:45,560
one eighty three or what one eighty
two versus one eighty nine or one ninety

1265
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,520
a bit talking about what the Knicks
can offer over four years versus another team,

1266
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,079
and the Knicks have that fifth year
they can go to if they want

1267
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:56,560
to. Again, like, actually, maybe just this as a thought exercise,

1268
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,640
would you rather give O G the
fifth year? Or I think it's

1269
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,039
og to me even with the injury
stuff. It's yeah, it's probably og,

1270
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:08,199
but I think it's more of a
discussion than it is. But I

1271
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:13,439
also think you probably you're you're a
hypothetical of Siakam for like five years and

1272
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,119
like two to oh something like that
feels more likely for Ananobe, like as

1273
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,880
opposed to Siakam, if you offered
five years to twenty something, you'd be

1274
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,079
like, how about two forty seven? Or just give me the four year

1275
01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:27,119
max. I think Ananobe there's a
little more wiggle room there if it's not

1276
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:30,800
him, though, since we kind
of already discussed sort of what you're weighing

1277
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,640
with the Siakham decision, I mean, Isaiah Hartenstein, We've we talked about

1278
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,199
it, like four years, the
Knicks can only go four years, like

1279
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:40,159
seventy two? Was that it so
seventy and a half. Yeah, seventy

1280
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:44,159
two and a half. It's not
crazy that another team can come over the

1281
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:48,239
top and it's like it's bought that
team, which is why I guess I

1282
01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:50,760
was. I was like, shock, you picked out anobe. But then

1283
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,560
we had outlined this on the previous
podcast. Well if you just give Hartenstein

1284
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,239
quote unquote the max that you can
give him, So now I was like,

1285
01:20:58,319 --> 01:21:00,279
you have thirty million dollars wrapped up
in your primary center rotation per year

1286
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:02,960
with him and Mitchell Robinson. Not
a big deal. Yeah, And it's

1287
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,640
easier to spot teams that would come
in and maybe force it, Like we're

1288
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,720
OJE. If he gets a bunch
of four year max offers from Okay,

1289
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,359
se should be on it, Uh, Philly should be any everyone that has

1290
01:21:15,399 --> 01:21:16,760
cap spaced really or needs to carve
out more should just be on it.

1291
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,239
San Antonio should be on it.
Like Matt ven we be on the same

1292
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:24,680
team. That'd be fun. But
like, if if he has those offers,

1293
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,840
does that give him the leverage to
get a fifth year? Not the

1294
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,800
fifth year? If they signed into
a five year max, I'll be flabbered,

1295
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,239
gasted. But the letters to be
like, hey, like, you

1296
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:38,279
know how we talk about the five
years and two twenty five for Pascal Siakam

1297
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,640
OG kind of looking at his past
injuries, might say like, yeah,

1298
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,239
just give me the extra year of
security. It'll be submax. But it's

1299
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,159
close enough to where like you meet
in the middle of it or whatever.

1300
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:50,079
Yeah, I think that is more
likely for him. I I don't know.

1301
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:56,039
I just it's interesting to think about
would would We'll just use og since

1302
01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:59,840
we're talking about him. If if
he's got you know, two or three

1303
01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:03,279
of the four years one to eighty
three, I mean, and he says,

1304
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,760
let's go fifth year Nicks? Did
the Knicks even did the Knicks just

1305
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,039
go for one four for one ninety? Like that's still you're just gonna not

1306
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:14,800
take seven million dollars to spite us
and sign somewhere else that like odds are

1307
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,920
you won't fit as well because we
were awesome with you, like and you're

1308
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,079
in New York. Like, It's
just I don't I think it's still more

1309
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:24,760
likely that he gets a fifth year
than siakam But the Knicks like really don't

1310
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,039
have to, like they they I
think if he got a fifth year,

1311
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:30,840
I bet we would view it as
like, good job Nicks, because you

1312
01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:34,239
got two hundred or something. Yeah, and you got the number down by

1313
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:40,119
offering that we did entertain the idea
that because he's a non superstar, that

1314
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:44,560
could we be get the term he's
reverse sticker shocks sort of worths. Wow,

1315
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:49,000
I can't believe how much that guy
didn't get. Maybe I I just

1316
01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:53,600
think it felt to me like the
four year max was just like, that's

1317
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,399
just probably what's gonna happen. I
don't agree, but I'm just saying because

1318
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,520
teams are like the reality of the
sea. And by the way, that's

1319
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,039
the other part of this is you
could have picked the boy on Bogdanovich's partial

1320
01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:05,800
guarantee. He's guaranteed two million.
But if you assume that Ojiannobi is getting

1321
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:12,680
the max at forty two point three, and then you're penciling in Isaiah Hartenstein

1322
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,239
for again his quote unquote max that
he can get from the Knicks. Well,

1323
01:23:16,359 --> 01:23:19,760
like, all right, that's the
second apron territory. That is,

1324
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,600
you're very close to second aprin territory. I mean you're actually, yeah,

1325
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,119
you're probably in second apron territory.
They're just looking at Yeah, I mean,

1326
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:30,439
you're awfully but that's if you guarantee
Bogdanovic's deal, so you could stay

1327
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,680
out of the second apron if you
then don't if you waive him. But

1328
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:38,039
the whole point of getting him,
aside from hoping he was gonna help you

1329
01:23:38,079 --> 01:23:40,720
and then he gets injured and wasn't
really being utilized in the first place,

1330
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:44,600
was what we want this empty salary
filler to go out and make the bigger

1331
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,520
move. If you get rid of
him. Now you're in a position to

1332
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:51,640
where anything you do has to cost
Julius Randall has to cost Mitchell maybe even

1333
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:57,680
need to dip into the Villanova Corp
Josh hart or Dante Vincenzo. So that's

1334
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,600
where things get iffy. And ojiannanobe
He's deal because I think that Hartenstein,

1335
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,199
if he comes back and it's less
than what the max allowable they can give

1336
01:24:04,279 --> 01:24:10,439
him, that would be it just
doesn't feel as critical to like, oh,

1337
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,279
we're paying oh GB forty plus million
dollars a year, that's really going

1338
01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:16,279
to impact your books long term more
than whatever happens with Isaiah Hartenstein, was

1339
01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:19,079
my point. I think that's right, and we should mention that, you

1340
01:24:19,079 --> 01:24:21,920
know, talking about oh my God, like the proximity to the second apron,

1341
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,319
just depending on some of the variables. I think that presumes like Alec

1342
01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:30,439
Burks is they renounce his rights,
he's gone, And even like Precious Atchewa

1343
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,159
who's restricted, might just be like
nope, we're good, you can go

1344
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:38,680
signs. I mean, like max
if you let's let's pencil an anonobe for

1345
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:45,920
a max. Right now, You're
like, I don't know, like anyway,

1346
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,119
the second apron fifteen to sixteen away
from the second apron, that is

1347
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:54,199
basically what Isaiah Hartenstein's salary would be, right, Yeah, you're so.

1348
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,960
I think it's good that you mentioned
like Randall maybe some wiggle room. I

1349
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,520
don't know how you're trading him to
like cut a bunch of money potentially,

1350
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:08,000
but between Bogdanovic and Randall, you
do have like there's a way to get

1351
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:12,119
out of a second apron with og
Ann Hartenstein on like top top numbers.

1352
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:15,880
But no matter what, some of
these guys that played like real minutes in

1353
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,479
these playoffs are just gonna have to
be gone. Like that's just that's non

1354
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:25,279
negotiable. I think they could view
it as wave Bogdanovic and then your trade

1355
01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:29,000
offer, assuming someone is making a
ton of money. It becomes instead of

1356
01:25:29,079 --> 01:25:32,760
Randall and boy On Bogdanovich, it's
Randall and Mitchell Robinson. That's not the

1357
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,399
worst place to be, but it's
not exactly a comforting but because like Bogdanovic,

1358
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,960
even though he could be useful,
just like this empty like salary slot,

1359
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:45,039
like you can plan moving for without
him, you can't do the same.

1360
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:46,640
You can't necessarily do the same.
And if you think they're better off

1361
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,560
without Randall, it's a decision.
It depends on who's coming back. But

1362
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:54,319
now it's okay, now we have
no safety net behind hartensteiner in front of

1363
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:58,119
Hartenstein depending on how you expect the
rotation to run. Yeah, all right,

1364
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:03,079
you have the Powerhouse, off season
Juggernaut, Thunder who have I mean,

1365
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:06,399
I get like I thought if you
would have had me do this exercise

1366
01:26:08,279 --> 01:26:10,520
like at the trade deadline, I
would have easily said that it was Gordon

1367
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,159
Haber, like, oh, should
they bring him back? I think it's

1368
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:16,560
Isaiah Joe's team option, just in
the sense of because you have like you're

1369
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,199
still in this grace period of Okay, yes, Jay gilleolexanders On a Max,

1370
01:26:21,239 --> 01:26:25,359
but j dub and Chet Holmgren aren't
there Josh Giddy's only extension knowledge,

1371
01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,039
but who knows that they even pay
him. Do you just decline his team

1372
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:31,199
option and you do that with the
intention of we already know we're gonna agree

1373
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,479
to this deal with him, so
you give him the automatic raise and a

1374
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,159
time when you still could have cap
space they can get past thirty five million

1375
01:26:38,199 --> 01:26:42,239
dollars in cap space without kind of
breaking a sweat here, Or do you

1376
01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:45,239
want to use that cap space in
the ep of having Isaiah Joe on this

1377
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:48,880
cut rate market like we want we
want to roll that over another year and

1378
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,359
we'll let him become an unrestricted free
agent in twenty twenty five and will decide

1379
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:56,920
whether we want to pay him.
Then. I think what's good about this

1380
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,399
is it's entirely the Thunder's decision.
You don't decline his team option unless you

1381
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,960
know that he is going to re
sign. But it is at least when

1382
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:08,439
you're trying to map out your long
term future figuring out when to pay him,

1383
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,560
it's not really much. It's not
as much of an if because I

1384
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,199
think he is valuable. They could
make trades that would devalue his utility to

1385
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,760
the team. But as of right
now, it's them deciding when they want

1386
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,880
to pay him, and I kind
of feel like they're going to go the

1387
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:24,720
route of this offseason. But I
really they were so good that maybe the

1388
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,960
stakes have been raised a little bit. I still view it as the cap

1389
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,880
space is not going to be the
primary vehicle through which they improve anyway.

1390
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:33,199
The free agency market is unless you
are going to proach og, it's not

1391
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:38,680
really gonna yield the answer for you. And yes, you'd like some flexibility

1392
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,359
in trades to take back more money, but you can resign and I say

1393
01:27:41,359 --> 01:27:45,079
a Joe and still kind of have
this like fifteen million dollars twenty million dollars

1394
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:47,239
in wiggle room depending on some other
decisions. And again that doesn't include any

1395
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:51,760
other outgoing salary that you could actually
use to match. Yeah, I think

1396
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:58,840
I guess my gut is that,
or my gut reaction to them declining his

1397
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,199
team option would be disappointment, because
that would indicate that they're maybe not gonna

1398
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:08,760
go get somebody exciting. I could
time it differently. His cap hold is

1399
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,279
so low that you can basically preserve
your cap space by you decline his team

1400
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:15,079
option. You have this small cap
hold, and so we still have.

1401
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:18,319
But does it mean that they're actually
gonna use their cap space and then go

1402
01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:23,359
back and pay him. That's certainly
a fair question. Yeah, that that's

1403
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:26,439
true. Like, it wouldn't necessarily
mean they're not gonna try to use that

1404
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,960
full thirty three ish or more depending
on some other things, But it feels

1405
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,880
like it would angle that way a
little bit. I don't know, but

1406
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,920
I'd like there just aren't any other
choices on this roster. That's got to

1407
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,039
be iad. But it does build
a good will too, though, because

1408
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:42,119
if you just let him hit unrestricted
free agency, yeah, next year,

1409
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:44,199
I'm not saying he's definitely gone,
but you might have to pay a higher

1410
01:28:44,279 --> 01:28:47,800
premium just because well you made me
wait another year before actually paying me.

1411
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:54,920
So I have the Orlando Magic next
And when we put this together, I

1412
01:28:55,079 --> 01:28:59,079
just like copped out because I didn't
want to pick an actual player on their

1413
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:02,319
team as their toughest agent decision,
and I chose which the question being which

1414
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:06,439
free agent guard will they sign,
which is really like that is the question

1415
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:11,920
for them this summer. But in
keeping with the spirit of the exercise,

1416
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,640
I think it really probably comes down
to it's just between Gary Harris and Markel

1417
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,640
Foltz, and of the two,
I guess Gary Harris is the guy that

1418
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:26,680
you would just put. Who's giving
Mark el Folts money, No nobody.

1419
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,880
I mean he'll get backup point guard
money from somewhere, like he'll play.

1420
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,119
It's just he's gonna be a back
to me, purely a backup someplace.

1421
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:39,000
Gary Harris is still like also a
backup. But if you're if you're the

1422
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,439
magic and your issues are we need
spacing, we need shooting, we need

1423
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,520
like that's just Gary Harris matters more
coming off a thirteen million dollar salary.

1424
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,159
Folts, just for reference, made
seventeen last year. I think Folts gets

1425
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:54,039
less in his next deal, unless
it's like a one year. I think

1426
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:57,960
Folts will get less than Gary Harris. Like that, do you think Gary

1427
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,279
Harris gets more than just because he
finished the season injured again, Yeah,

1428
01:30:00,319 --> 01:30:03,079
but I don't. I mean,
he's what, he's not quite thirty.

1429
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:09,640
I think just Gary Well just maybe
this is the way to answer that question

1430
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:14,159
all the time, Like Gary Harris
fits on every team just depending on what

1431
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:16,800
you're willing to pay him, and
Folts fits on I don't know, Like

1432
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:21,640
it's just he's such a harder player
to build around. It's and while he's

1433
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,720
younger, well, I guess he's
still got the draft pedigree and is I

1434
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,279
guess probably a better bet to be
healthier, although like this is Marco Foltz,

1435
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:30,399
like there's been some health issues.
I don't know if you recall.

1436
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,159
Uh, so I guess it's Gary
Harris. But like, really, if

1437
01:30:34,199 --> 01:30:38,520
we're talking about the magic, we
can't pretend as if like retaining either of

1438
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,199
these guys or Gogo Bitadze, by
the way, who's a free agent shout

1439
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:45,359
out, guess a player at GOGA. It's just like their free agent questions

1440
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:48,479
are who are we getting? Not
who are we? Yeah? Uh do

1441
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,840
you think both between Gary Harris and
Marco Folse, do you think either one

1442
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:58,159
of them will be back? I
would guess no, just because you're gonna

1443
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:01,000
sign someone over the top of Gary
Harris and Folts just like there's I don't

1444
01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:04,079
see a reason to bring him back
unless you want a third point guard and

1445
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:10,479
he's very confident they are going to
get after it, like in sign someone

1446
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,520
in free agent. Yeah, I
just think the combination of like resources and

1447
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,600
clear need is just they line up
too well. Uh, and not that

1448
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,399
this is the greatest free agent class
of all time. I think we've talked

1449
01:31:20,399 --> 01:31:25,079
about before. I think Orlando needs
to trade for someone and sign someone uh

1450
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,880
in the in the back court rotation. It just I mean, wouldn't you

1451
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,680
be stunned if they didn't sign someone
that's gonna like then let both of these

1452
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:39,000
guys walk through you signing because you
could like pay if Gary Harris makes equal

1453
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,159
money, you still have like twenty
five plus million in capsules. Yeah,

1454
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,920
I just wouldn't have bringing either of
those guys back. Harris being the bigger

1455
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,199
priority as anywhere like towards the top
of my list of like must dos for

1456
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:54,720
for the off season. I would
bring Harris back at I don't know if

1457
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,159
i'd pay him thirteen, but you
know, high single day, maybe i'd

1458
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,319
pay him thirteen, would you?
I guess that's is he gonna get a

1459
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:02,640
four year, three year I would
pay him. I'd probably give him like

1460
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,199
two and thirty. Well, I
guess that just depends on like what you

1461
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:09,079
think you could do with the rest
of that, But I guess you can

1462
01:32:09,119 --> 01:32:11,479
do it. Probably know your trades
lined up too, and so like it

1463
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,359
might and if you trade, like
what if you end up making like okay,

1464
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,880
Jonathan Isaac and Cole Anthony for Michael
Porter junior type deal. And then

1465
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,239
it's like, okay, like now
we kind of just went two for one.

1466
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:21,920
We could probably use Gary Harris back
a little bit. Yeah, so

1467
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,680
all right, that takes us to
another team for me, another one I

1468
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,880
copped out on, which is the
Philadelphia seventy six Ers. My actual bit

1469
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,399
toughest decision is what the hell do
we do with sixty plus million dollars and

1470
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:39,399
like basically two guys on the roster. Joel Embiid will be back. I

1471
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,199
don't know if you've heard. Tyrus
Maxi will also be back. He's just

1472
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:45,199
not technically under contract right now.
And then after that, you have the

1473
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:49,079
one and only Paul Reid, and
you have Ricky Counsel, the fourth that

1474
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:54,720
constitutes the Philadelphia seventy six Ers current
roster. I guess Jeff Dowton has a

1475
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,199
Jeff Doughton has a team option for
two million dollars, So I guess there's

1476
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,199
I think they end up keeping Ricky, he Counsel, and Paul Reid,

1477
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:05,159
and that'll be like they go into
four players as like they're tentative cap holds

1478
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:10,800
yeah, so we cannot pretend like
the Paul Reid seven point seven million dollar

1479
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:15,720
non guaranteed contract is a real decision
point for them, Like he's more than

1480
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,199
worth that, and even if it's
only as a trade piece, which he's

1481
01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:23,479
not, he's actually gonna be in
the rotation. Well we could really Galaxy

1482
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,720
braindon say should they be the Isaiah
Hartstein team because it's look, if Joelle

1483
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,119
bed only plays half the season each
year? Can can I tell? I

1484
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,479
know you're not being serious, but
like, oh man, here we go,

1485
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:38,920
but this idea that like we need
to be done with the idea of

1486
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,640
like the insurance player for a superstar, because if you don't have Joel Embiid,

1487
01:33:44,199 --> 01:33:47,359
like it doesn't matter who his backup
is unless his backup's Anthony Davis or

1488
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:51,760
Yoke or whatever, Like you're you're
if you're the sixers in Embiid is hurt,

1489
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,279
you're screwed. I guess, like
as a regular season thing, like,

1490
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:57,960
oh, he keeps you from sliding
too far down the standings if you

1491
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,960
have hartensteinforg's just hypothetic, but like
you're done if you don't have your best

1492
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:05,319
guy and h win a championship.
So it doesn't matter who the backup.

1493
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,760
That's a good point, and I
was like, it does that theory doesn't

1494
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,760
at the highest levels. Yeah,
I was about to frame it as well,

1495
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,800
it all right, well, let's
get a four who can slide up

1496
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,680
to the five but also play alongside
Joe and Bid. But that doesn't really

1497
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,960
that's more of a regular season thing
too. It's like that'll help you navigate

1498
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,359
and eat innings. But like in
the playoffs, if you don't have Joell

1499
01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:27,359
and Bee, you're just cooked anyway. So yeah, it doesn't matter.

1500
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,119
So I think the question for them
just has to be we'll pivot a little

1501
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:31,760
bit. It's like, what do
you do with all the money? Like,

1502
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,159
what's the plan? Is it Paul
George? If it's Paul George,

1503
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:36,840
Like, then what how are you
filling out? The rest? Space is

1504
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:41,199
gone if you're maxing out basically like
yeah, right here, Well you got

1505
01:34:41,239 --> 01:34:44,039
what I guess if you count minimums, Yeah, that what Paul George is

1506
01:34:44,039 --> 01:34:46,760
gonna get close to fifty of that, like sixty two ish million. It

1507
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,319
looks like they're going to have.
Yeah, I think it's about sixty two,

1508
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:56,479
although that presumes that's with MAXI as
a Apple to like, yeah,

1509
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,079
I can say where it is.
Yeah, you can time it differently,

1510
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:00,600
so yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if you want to go

1511
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,960
a different direction on the sixers.
But it's just like they don't have anyone.

1512
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,960
It's almost their decision is like,
well, who on the roster because

1513
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:12,319
they're not gonna so should It's almost
twofold to where they have to decide whether

1514
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:15,640
they're gonna do their most heavy lifting
in free agency or via trades. And

1515
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,680
if it's going to be via trades, then you have to ask, okay,

1516
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,319
like which of these free agents of
our own are we bringing back?

1517
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,399
You don't have bird rights on Kellyer
Bridge? Or but will he come back

1518
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,600
for you have the cap space?
Sure, but can he come like because

1519
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,439
you have the room exception, which
is just I know it's relative to the

1520
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,920
salary cap, like eight million dollars
isn't nothing. I still think Kelly Bridgegnior

1521
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:38,600
would probably want more, Like that's
a tool in their belt if they're like,

1522
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,279
so you could, let's say they
signed Paul George. That would keep

1523
01:35:41,319 --> 01:35:45,319
the Anthony Melton. They have the
room exception. Can they keep the Kelly

1524
01:35:45,319 --> 01:35:46,479
reg Junior with that? I don't
know, that's like, not that's far

1525
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,359
from a worst case offseason, but
you're still so pretty shallow at that point.

1526
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,960
I think probably the toughest decision for
them is, well, are we

1527
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,479
gonna actually do serious work in free
agency or should this be about rolling over

1528
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,159
useful salary shops slots of good players? Well, maybe going after some of

1529
01:36:01,159 --> 01:36:04,359
these minutes, like a Simoni Fontacchio, just taking a look at these guys

1530
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:08,479
who are not stars, and then
we're gonna have to make a trade using

1531
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,880
some of these contracts. Now,
the issue with them, though, is

1532
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,960
if you go that route, Yeah, okay, cap space is cool.

1533
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,159
So like, let's say they decide
to use their cap space in a trade

1534
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:19,439
before going back and signing these players. That's just all you really have to

1535
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:23,560
offer, aside from draft picks.
And as we've seen with teams, let's

1536
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,960
use Toronto as an example, there
are teams that, in a vacuum,

1537
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,359
could have easily have beaten the Knicks's
offer for ogn and OPI how much he

1538
01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:31,640
wanted to be in New York I
do you think played a role in that.

1539
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,640
Let's let's remove from the equation Toronto
wanted players. If you run into

1540
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,720
that scenario again, like, let's
if they want McHale bridges from Brooklyn.

1541
01:36:40,079 --> 01:36:44,279
Okay, five first round picks of
varying degrees of value is fucking cool.

1542
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,399
Brooklyn's gonna want bodies and you don't
have bodies to offer them. Yeah,

1543
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:51,800
it's interesting that what the Sixers are
equipped to do is like take on kind

1544
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,000
of a bad contract. Like if
the Warriors decided let's move Andrew Wiggins,

1545
01:36:57,279 --> 01:36:59,960
like the Sixers should be like cool, give us like a second round or

1546
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:02,239
we'll take them just like that.
Or if you're the Warriors, are you

1547
01:37:02,319 --> 01:37:06,479
at that point where it's well,
I think you try some other stuff that

1548
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:11,159
you've got Chris Paul to wave,
you got Kevon Looney's partial guarantee, you

1549
01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:14,640
got like, there's other ways to
go first. I don't think giving Andrew

1550
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,439
Wiggins away is like the smartest use
of that resource. Well, if you

1551
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:21,000
were getting a second round pick for
Andrew, well then it's done. No,

1552
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,479
but that's not what they should really
be There shouldn't be in the market

1553
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,359
for that, Like that is not
the most exciting use of your cap space.

1554
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:30,159
You'd have to just hit right and
be like, oh, we're gonna

1555
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:34,119
get good Wiggins and know that somehow
if you did something like that, But

1556
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:39,319
like, let's maybe because I don't
want to be dismissive of like the significant

1557
01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:44,199
number of actual incumbent six or free
agents of the guys that are there,

1558
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:49,359
Harris, Buddy Healed, Batoom,
Covington, You mentioned Melton, Kyle Lowry,

1559
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,079
campaign, Kelly u Bray, like
just a bunch of guys that like,

1560
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:55,199
if you brought all those guys back, I get team's pretty good.

1561
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,279
Uh, if you had to pick, let's just say, between Melton and

1562
01:37:59,319 --> 01:38:02,640
Healed, who's more likely to be
back Melton? I think so the back

1563
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,439
issue stuff, but I think Buddy, he Old, Melton and Ubra and

1564
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,560
if you want to throw Kyle Lowry
in there, but that just kind of

1565
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,720
feels extra like those are the guys
that I'm looking at as like all I

1566
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,039
want to bring these players back,
And maybe Killy Uber Junior actually falls outside

1567
01:38:16,039 --> 01:38:21,039
that bucket because part of what was
so tantalizing about him is that he doesn't

1568
01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:25,600
pass, but also just that he
was so good relative to the minimum.

1569
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,399
What did he look like if he's
making closer to how do you feel about

1570
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:30,640
that? If he's making mid level
money, Even if he's making Melton's money.

1571
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:34,039
It's like they're both eight million dollar
players in this hypothetical. It's like,

1572
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,439
I don't know, I kind of
like Melton better. Melton might be

1573
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,520
a guy with the back issues though
that you just renounce him to use the

1574
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,840
cap space and then does he come
back for the room exception. Yeah,

1575
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,079
I noticed. It's weird you didn't
mention Tobias Harris as someone that might be

1576
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:53,640
in terms of players, Tobias Harris
being back in Philly might be I don't

1577
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,119
want to say, the single biggest
shock of free agency, but it would

1578
01:38:56,119 --> 01:38:59,279
be in the top three if something
happening right, It's up there for sure.

1579
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,840
He's just like if you had to
get like where does he go and

1580
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,680
for how much? It's just like
you could sell I have no idea,

1581
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:09,439
Like I have less of a feel
for that than anything. Is this,

1582
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,920
Like is it just a no?
And it's not for an absurd number?

1583
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:18,319
What about him and Okac? It's
not just the no. I mean,

1584
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:24,720
I don't know, get out of
here, but this offensive to me.

1585
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:28,399
No, I could see it,
but like, what's that number? Twenty

1586
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,119
a year? But for short term
like by the time that Jay Dubb or

1587
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:36,079
chet Holm Ren or on like their
next deal, Tobias Harris is off the

1588
01:39:36,079 --> 01:39:40,960
books. Yeah, that's like a
separate question though, because for the Thunder,

1589
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,119
should they be should they do the
Houston short term big money thing,

1590
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:48,760
because like I guess it's sort of
similar to Houston where you've got all these

1591
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:53,039
extensions like coming down the pipeline and
you got this window. But maybe I

1592
01:39:53,279 --> 01:39:57,600
would want someone that's under contract for
longer, but like I just don't know

1593
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,640
who that is. Yeah, But
to your point, like Harris, it's

1594
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,880
like he's the I don't know if
he is good enough, but it's it's

1595
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:09,600
better than the corpse of Gordon Hayward. Or like if you're gonna sub andize

1596
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:13,279
at Joe for Josh, like you
could, you could very easily sub in

1597
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:17,560
size now for that like kind of
fit spot to go with Shay Chet and

1598
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,319
j Dub and then a Blue Dort
I kind of consider just like a staple.

1599
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:27,000
Yeah, Harris is the opposite of
Uber, where it's like you're in

1600
01:40:27,079 --> 01:40:30,600
terms of like Uber looks great judged
against his contract, and Harris is just,

1601
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:32,640
you know, looks terrible judged against
the value of his contract. And

1602
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,439
if they both made the same amount
of money. If they both made fourteen

1603
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:41,439
million a year, you might just
think Harris was You would feel better about

1604
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,399
Harry, like his Q rating would
be higher than New Braids. I don't

1605
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:48,800
know. Let's move on. You
got the Suns, the Phoenix, the

1606
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:53,960
Phoenix, Suns twenty six. Other
NBA teams want to be them, but

1607
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:58,640
they can't be which is by twenty
six? What do you ever think about?

1608
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,199
Like why it's twenty six? What
about twenty nine? Credatory mortgage lender?

1609
01:41:01,239 --> 01:41:03,720
I don't really know what, like
what is that? I don't read

1610
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,000
anything into what he's says. I
want to know which three he thinks.

1611
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:10,479
I'm ready for shit to happen with
this team because the way he's mentioned that

1612
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,720
your first round picks are stupid,
and like he's not wrong based on the

1613
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,239
situation that it's like, oh,
to be a Suns fan in twenty twenty

1614
01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:20,960
thirty is going to be rough.
That's all. That's all I keep it.

1615
01:41:21,079 --> 01:41:25,720
I know we shouldn't care when their
windows now, but whoof when the

1616
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,840
window isn't guaranteed to be worth it? I think it's it's fair of care.

1617
01:41:29,079 --> 01:41:33,239
Okay, So it's Royce O'Neill for
them. They are going to enter

1618
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:40,800
the summer basically, like just with
an absurd payroll they're at if you're two

1619
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:44,880
hundred yeah with and that's without by
the way, carrying Royce O'Neill's capitol,

1620
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,239
which is eighteen million. There are
two hundred and one million dollars. They're

1621
01:41:47,239 --> 01:41:50,600
in the second apron. And so
now because you can't aggregate salaries, we

1622
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:55,359
get into the same two questions.
You're not signing anyone with them animum,

1623
01:41:55,359 --> 01:41:58,600
who's going to be better than Royce
O'Neal, who is defensive workload in the

1624
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:04,399
playoffs was for the time that Phoenix
was there was massive and two okay,

1625
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:08,119
well, then what's the number like
if we ever want to fold this into

1626
01:42:08,119 --> 01:42:10,159
another deal, like yeo, okay, cool, he's willing to come back

1627
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,479
for ten million dollars, That really
fucking do it for us if we're trying

1628
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,159
to make a trade later on.
I don't know. Now, if you

1629
01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:16,520
get Royce O'Neil for ten million dollars, I might just do it, because

1630
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,760
that's actually kind of a bargain.
But you can't let him walk. He

1631
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,119
has he can leverage you to the
hilt, though, in part because I

1632
01:42:24,119 --> 01:42:27,159
think he would be not on the
same scale as some of the other guys

1633
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:30,520
that we mentioned, but among teams
with cap space, there's really not a

1634
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,720
one he doesn't fit on, like
just as someone who doesn't need the ball

1635
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:36,960
on offense and you can move him
around defensively. He's definitely regressed as a

1636
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,239
defender, but now he's also been
in a few situations Utah skipped over that

1637
01:42:42,279 --> 01:42:44,439
a little bit in Brooklyn, but
then in Phoenix where it's like, oh,

1638
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:48,279
he's defending dudes that he really never
should have anyway. So it's it's

1639
01:42:48,319 --> 01:42:51,520
not a tough decision in the sense
like they cannot let him walk, but

1640
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,800
you do have to decide, Okay, well, how much do we pay

1641
01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:59,199
him? And so I'm gonna give
you this over under Royce O'Neil getting the

1642
01:42:59,239 --> 01:43:00,760
full MLA, it wouldn't be actually, dam melie, but twelve and a

1643
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:05,600
half million dollars. I think it's
gotta be over because there will be mL

1644
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:09,520
offers for him. He just he's
coming off making nine and a half,

1645
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,439
Like, it's not that big of
a leap at age thirty one to go

1646
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,399
up over that twelve number. So
I think someone will have that ready for

1647
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,640
him. And if your Phoenix,
like you just you have no recourse,

1648
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,640
like this is just it's gonna suck. It's gonna cost you all this and

1649
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:27,279
all this and much more with all
the tax penalties. But what are your

1650
01:43:27,279 --> 01:43:30,600
alternatives? Like you just I guess, well, I don't know. Nots

1651
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,359
little you move up in the pecking
order and we sign another minimum guy,

1652
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:35,760
like that's that's not a great outcome. So I think I think i'd go

1653
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:40,239
over. Don't you go over?
I probably go over too. I'm I'm

1654
01:43:40,279 --> 01:43:43,760
just gonna be fascinating to see the
length in terms of it all. So

1655
01:43:44,039 --> 01:43:46,279
like do they because they have those
two first round picks, but again now

1656
01:43:46,359 --> 01:43:48,760
you can't aggregate them, so it's, well, how much value does Royce

1657
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:54,239
O'Neal really have unless so if you're
let's say they're really thinking ahead to the

1658
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:58,600
trade deadline and I'm just gonna so
you're moving your twenty thirty one pick at

1659
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,720
the trade deadline and then what is
like, who's the best guy you could

1660
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:06,399
get like for that? And do
you then like try to structure O'Neil's salary

1661
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:10,119
accordingly where it's like, right,
well, we signed from O'Neil to a

1662
01:44:10,119 --> 01:44:13,840
one plus one he's making twenty four
million next year, but like it's okay

1663
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,279
because we can bring back this twenty
four million dollar player. That is I

1664
01:44:16,359 --> 01:44:19,880
hadn't really thought about that. But
teams in their position, if the idea

1665
01:44:20,039 --> 01:44:24,039
is partly like, well, we
know, if we signed Rose O'Neil for

1666
01:44:24,079 --> 01:44:28,119
twelve, we can't take anyone back
making twelve point one, So like you

1667
01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:30,039
don't get that nice little bump up
that you do if you're not a second

1668
01:44:30,079 --> 01:44:35,560
apron. So like maybe so it's
so like it's almost like diabolical where it's

1669
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,760
forcing, not forcing, but like
incentivizing a team in this position to spend

1670
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:45,920
even more, you know, on
an O'Neill like declining scale contract, because

1671
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,680
then you know, well I can
trade him for a twenty million dollar player

1672
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:53,720
now with like that's and what makes
it. And now people could pour down

1673
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,880
and say, well, they already
have Grayson Allen on the books for fifteen

1674
01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:00,960
plus and they have use of Nurkic. Those guys have money left on their

1675
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,720
deals after next season. So if
it's sort of one plus one with roysonnil,

1676
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,560
that's more flexibility for his next team. I don't think many teams want

1677
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:09,239
use of Nurkicchen in the first place. I mean, Grayson Allen is just

1678
01:45:09,279 --> 01:45:12,439
way too important to you just say, let's attach our first round pick to

1679
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,199
Grayson. Now, who's the best
fifteen point six or less million dollar player

1680
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:19,039
you're gonna get for a twenty thirty
one pick, and Grace Allen honestly don't

1681
01:45:19,319 --> 01:45:24,640
know. It's just just like,
so, that's why the Royce O'Neil contract

1682
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:28,960
is fascinating, because you could structure
it like it could be so inflated and

1683
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:30,640
then so short term that it's like, well, they're clearly they're trying to

1684
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,920
do what the Lakers did with d
LO. I'm so into this idea now.

1685
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,439
I really hope it happens. I
hope we get a Royce O'Neil one

1686
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:43,319
plus one for like fifty million dollars
dollars, just because I mean it's What's

1687
01:45:43,359 --> 01:45:45,840
also tough, though, is like, how much value does your twenty thirty

1688
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,399
one pick have as the centerpiece of
a deal to a front office that's acquiring

1689
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,359
it and knows, well, we're
not gonna be the ones making this pick.

1690
01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:57,119
Well, yeah, that's true.
But if just like I was gonna

1691
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:00,199
say, well, what if you're
Detroit or something, but like Detroit's front

1692
01:46:00,199 --> 01:46:02,079
office is gonna flip like tomorrow.
Problem. Maybe that's how you get job

1693
01:46:02,119 --> 01:46:08,039
security is you lay out this seven
year plan right takes twenty thirty one big

1694
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:12,720
just as a like if you're being
if you're a bad team with cap space,

1695
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,960
that is, it should be in
the business of getting what's probably going

1696
01:46:15,039 --> 01:46:19,199
to be a really kick ass valuable
twenty thirty one sons pick, like is

1697
01:46:19,239 --> 01:46:25,720
it worth you know, twenty five
million dollars? Basically like just or whatever

1698
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,079
whatever you end up having to take
on for O'Neil. It's like kind of

1699
01:46:29,159 --> 01:46:32,439
might be, but then you're right
like that whoever whichever GM swings that deal

1700
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,079
is probably not gonna be there to
reap the benefits. The other thing I

1701
01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:38,720
would do, and they would never
do this, is that I would create

1702
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,600
my own rumor mill by signing him
to the exact same amount of money that

1703
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,920
Michail Bridges is making next seas him. And so it's like, oh shit,

1704
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,720
are they like twenty thirty one and
Royce and you'll get you Michail like

1705
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:51,680
to the cent, like to the
dollar. That's just what I would do

1706
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:55,199
to see, like, no,
that's not gonna happen, like, let's

1707
01:46:55,319 --> 01:46:58,479
let's start the discussion. I love
it. I love it. There's who

1708
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:00,880
you know, maybe the second aprons
not restrictive. Maybe it just is gonna

1709
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:04,159
foster creativity, like we couldn't have
imagine. The counterpoint is that if things

1710
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:08,159
get more punitive or they reinvent the
way this whole thing is working, that

1711
01:47:08,199 --> 01:47:12,039
matt ishb is gonna probably be the
reason why. Yeah, that's true,

1712
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:16,039
that's true. The Portland Trailblazers.
Uh, they're pretty low stakes here.

1713
01:47:16,119 --> 01:47:19,680
I didn't even have Like you can't
identify like a well, I don't want

1714
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:24,119
to phrase it this way. You
can identify a could be free agent if

1715
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:28,880
you want to. But they're not
gonna you wave Tamani Kamara non guarantee,

1716
01:47:29,239 --> 01:47:31,079
they're not gonna. I would I
would be shocked if they wave Jabari Walker.

1717
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:35,600
They do have to decide though,
well, fuck do we need open

1718
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:41,840
roster spots because when you include,
okay, we're gonna guarantee those two guys,

1719
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,359
they will have then fifteen guaranteed contracts
on the books when you factor in

1720
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,479
their turning draft picks. Uh,
that's not going to stand. Also not

1721
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:53,760
going to stand is they will enter
next league counter year in the luxury tax,

1722
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:56,399
and so it's all right, well, what are we doing to create

1723
01:47:56,479 --> 01:48:00,800
roster spots? Is this h I
think literally, anyone who's not Shaydon Sharp

1724
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,199
or Scoot Henderson feels like they would
be in play here. And if you're

1725
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:06,560
looking to strictly cut costs, that's
when you get into the RW three.

1726
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:11,800
Malcolm Brogden is DeAndre eight enabling his
way onto that. Jeremy Grant, of

1727
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:14,920
course, will be an Apple team's
eye, but they just need to kind

1728
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,039
of figure out how to they they're
gonna get under the tax, So what

1729
01:48:17,079 --> 01:48:20,880
does that look like? And can
they also create roster spots in the process

1730
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:25,000
of doing that, And the answer
is yes, they can, just because

1731
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,039
it's the off season so it'll be
easier to do that. I'm just very

1732
01:48:28,039 --> 01:48:31,000
curious to see how they go about
it. It's pretty simple, but it

1733
01:48:31,279 --> 01:48:34,199
has such an undefined answer. I
was just staring at there, just like

1734
01:48:34,319 --> 01:48:41,000
death starting their cap sheet. It
was this is a really weird inideal place

1735
01:48:41,039 --> 01:48:44,319
to be. It's really a well, the first thing that jumps out is

1736
01:48:44,359 --> 01:48:45,760
like you're looking at the cap sheet, It's like, okay, so they

1737
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,239
got got one hundred and seventy eight
million in salary, a give or take

1738
01:48:49,279 --> 01:48:53,800
depending on what they do to win
fifty games next season. Yeah, there's

1739
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:57,199
six there's six million plus into the
tax. Like if you mess around too

1740
01:48:57,279 --> 01:49:01,039
much, that one ninety figure for
the second Aprons like just I mean eminently

1741
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:05,479
reachable. But like they do,
they do have the ability to just say,

1742
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:09,640
like I don't know, we'll get
rid of Malcolm Brogden and for something

1743
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:14,960
and like then we're okay. Salary
wise, they're the rare team that is

1744
01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:20,279
one bad, two very expensive,
and three like still needs what a weird

1745
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:25,960
This is just such a bizarre roster
construction which will not stay that way.

1746
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,680
Yeah, that was a tough That
was a tough one for you. I

1747
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,880
don't know what the like difficult decision
is there? Much easier than yeah,

1748
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,560
and it's mostly the only answer because
in a way, it's not a tough

1749
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:38,439
decision. Malik Mung for the Sacramento
Kings, since I didn't even mention the

1750
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:42,760
team that we were on. Four
years and seventy eight million is the maximum

1751
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,840
that they can offer him because of
the early bird right situation, I think

1752
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:47,960
you offer it, but then I'm
kind of thinking, all right, well

1753
01:49:48,279 --> 01:49:50,920
will they because it's not just a
matter of what will he have a better

1754
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:56,760
offer, but it's well, do
they want to pony up that much and

1755
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,479
then have to deal with the tax
implications of that. They we are as

1756
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,319
of right now, if you don't
include Molik Monk's salary, they are a

1757
01:50:03,359 --> 01:50:09,239
team that has let's say about fifteen
sixteen million dollars in room beneath the tax.

1758
01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:14,359
Resigning Malik Monk obliterates that and then
you're not a finished product? Are

1759
01:50:14,399 --> 01:50:16,279
you using some version of the mL? Are you going out there making a

1760
01:50:16,279 --> 01:50:19,479
trade that ends up, you know, taking on money. I mean you

1761
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:24,359
have to offer it just because he's
you don't have anyone on the roster can

1762
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:26,680
replicate what he's doing. And maybe
you can view it as all right,

1763
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:29,600
like we still key to murray on
his rookie scale. Kean Ellis is a

1764
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,239
great find and so we don't have
to do anything super dramatic. It's just

1765
01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:35,560
keeping the leak Monk and then we
kind of make some moves on the margin,

1766
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:41,640
a move up move, use the
mini mle At that point he probably

1767
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:45,159
I don't know who you necessarily get
for that, but like it is a

1768
01:50:45,159 --> 01:50:47,039
tough decision in the sense of,
Okay, well it's a guard and we

1769
01:50:47,079 --> 01:50:49,720
still kind of do need wings at
this point, but like we could also

1770
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:54,279
talk ourselves into another like true frontcrep
players in a big man who can play

1771
01:50:54,279 --> 01:50:57,520
beside Joe mas a bonus, you're
not gonna have cap space anyway, so

1772
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:00,760
just pay him. It is somewhat's
probably a discussion they're having of well,

1773
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:04,560
do we want to give Molik Monk
four years and seventy eight million dollars to

1774
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:09,000
be what will probably be their sixth
man, or then you're just having a

1775
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:13,760
weird at some point if you're starting
backcourt, is Malik Monk and Diaron Fox

1776
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:15,560
that's yeah, those two complayment it's
together. But how good do you feel

1777
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:17,760
about that? What does it then
say? Though, if you pay Melik

1778
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:23,000
Monk about the future of Kevin Herder
specifically, would be the name that I'm

1779
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:27,840
gonna look all over at. So
it's him because it's really only him.

1780
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:30,880
There's like you're looking at the other
like could be or would be free agents,

1781
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:31,920
and it's all right, like we
don't care about alex Linn here.

1782
01:51:32,319 --> 01:51:35,600
Yeah, I think it has to
be him, And I also think they

1783
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:42,920
have to offer the four for seventy
eight just because like the counter factual of

1784
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:46,359
them not doing that doesn't give them
an avenue to like, Okay, well

1785
01:51:46,399 --> 01:51:50,560
it's it's not like well either we
pay Monk this or we go we save

1786
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:54,399
that money and we go down these
other roads where we get this player or

1787
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:56,760
this player in that. But it's
like, well they just that doesn't create

1788
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:00,039
any real flexibility for them, so
you just have to he has to.

1789
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:03,239
I think the more interesting question to
me, and this isn't on the King's

1790
01:52:03,239 --> 01:52:06,079
plate at all, Like their decision
is do we offer it or not?

1791
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:10,039
And the answer, yes, you
do. I think the question is like

1792
01:52:10,119 --> 01:52:15,439
is that enough because you have I
just Orlando, like does he just get

1793
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:19,840
way more than that? And he's
gone anyway, well here's and yeah,

1794
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:24,680
but like that's again that's not their
decision, Like that's just my old thing

1795
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:27,800
is what is the team? I've
seen Orlando floated out a lot, and

1796
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,000
I understand it, Like Malik Monk, yes, I know the percentage,

1797
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:33,600
like he's not a capslock shooter,
and he's also just like his playmaking is

1798
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:38,079
so predicated on needing some semblance of
spacing because he has to get downhill.

1799
01:52:38,119 --> 01:52:41,079
It's not a bunch of from a
stop or a bunch of side to side

1800
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:44,720
stuff. I just don't like,
that's not the team for me, at

1801
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,960
least I'm Orlando. That's not the
guy I understand he could fit. I

1802
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,319
don't know if he's the opera fit. And then you go through the other

1803
01:52:49,319 --> 01:52:53,159
teams and I'm like, well,
who is giving him that money? But

1804
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:57,079
then there are just scenarios where it's
if he gets two for forty and decides

1805
01:52:57,119 --> 01:52:59,319
that he's young enough he wants to
get back into free agency, that's not

1806
01:52:59,359 --> 01:53:01,159
something that they can't can give him
basically, so they go that like two

1807
01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:04,600
for fifty or something like the Bruce
Brown type deal. Yeah, no,

1808
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:11,479
I think, And it's just another
like danger element here. He's hasn't really

1809
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:15,279
made a ton of NBA money yet
coming off like he's at the absolute apex

1810
01:53:15,279 --> 01:53:19,520
of his value. That's always a
little scary considering like the lows of his

1811
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,560
career have been really low, like
you know, was out of the league

1812
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:27,520
for you, not a performance related
issue, but like just it it's a

1813
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:30,359
little scary to be like, we
got to come over the top of the

1814
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:32,600
King's best offer. If you're Orlando, or if you're whatever other team you

1815
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,000
want to throw out there. I
just kind of feel like, there's,

1816
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:41,560
well how about this, yes or
no, he's getting a bigger offer somewhere

1817
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:45,079
than four for seventy eight. I
don't know. I don't think he is.

1818
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,880
I kind of think he is.
So this will be one to track.

1819
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,439
It's not going to be like one
hundred million dollars, I don't think,

1820
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:55,159
but like could. But I think
you also look at it as it

1821
01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:59,600
has to be. I would think
appreciably enough more than what the Kings could

1822
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:01,640
offer. You're looking at what is
the lot? Like if someone offers him

1823
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:05,720
four for eighty, is he just
gonna leave? I mean, you wouldn't

1824
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:08,680
think. You'd think it have to
be a little more than that. But

1825
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:11,319
what if they say, because this
is the other thing, Well, I

1826
01:54:11,359 --> 01:54:14,399
think he should probably start in Sacramento, but you mentioned him, they still

1827
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:16,439
have Kevin Hurd or Kevin Hurder started
over him when he was healthy. Another

1828
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:21,880
team says four for eighty and you're
starting like you are our lead guard potentially,

1829
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,960
Like I mean, like in Orlando, Orlando is the under on that

1830
01:54:26,039 --> 01:54:29,800
team. If that is the example, Like you know his per thirty six

1831
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,520
numbers are great, Dan, He's
just he's a he's a starter hiding on

1832
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:34,399
a sick and a six man roll. I don't know. I could just

1833
01:54:34,439 --> 01:54:38,800
see a team having that as like
the Trump card potentially if the money is

1834
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,680
close to equal, But like in
that scenario and your monk, then you

1835
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,720
really might want a shorter deal to
like run up some numbers here and get

1836
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:50,520
back on the market potentially. But
that we've all we've strayed way away from

1837
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,680
well no, I mean, look, that's a fair thing to talk about,

1838
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,920
because it might be more powerful.
He's young. He's twenty six right

1839
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,520
now. Yeah, so like it's
not like someone who's in their thirties and

1840
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:02,439
this is this is his chance to
get his first big deal. I don't

1841
01:55:02,439 --> 01:55:04,399
know if he's gonna want to necessarily
bet on himself to be like, well,

1842
01:55:04,399 --> 01:55:06,319
if I can get back in free
agency in a year or two,

1843
01:55:06,439 --> 01:55:10,479
is that something? But it's it's
something that should be and could be on

1844
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:14,520
the table. We're onto the Spurs, though I couldn't bring myself to focus

1845
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,159
on any of their you know,
I can't like Jetty Osmond doesn't move me.

1846
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:24,000
So I'm going with cap space or
nah for this team if they renounce

1847
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:29,199
all their own free agents except for
Champenny, who's will guarantee him wave Wave

1848
01:55:29,239 --> 01:55:32,279
guys non guaranteed guys Wave Devonte Graham, who has I think it's like two

1849
01:55:32,359 --> 01:55:36,520
million guaranteed. You could get to
about twenty million dollars in cap space.

1850
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:42,760
That's a weird spot to beat right
now when the mid level exception is twelve

1851
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:45,279
point four and so, like the
room exception is, you could view it

1852
01:55:45,279 --> 01:55:47,239
as separating into two parts where well, then you have the eight million dollar

1853
01:55:47,319 --> 01:55:49,960
room exception, so ithing twenty million
in cap space plus the room exception,

1854
01:55:50,279 --> 01:55:54,279
like gusually the ability to do a
lot of fucking stuff. Are the Spurs

1855
01:55:54,359 --> 01:55:57,039
gonna go that route or are they
gonna decide? Hey, like it just

1856
01:55:57,079 --> 01:56:00,479
makes more sense, Like not that
they necessarily need to opt rate as an

1857
01:56:00,479 --> 01:56:02,760
over the cap team, but do
they just go that route where it's,

1858
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:06,680
well, we're better off using Devonte
Graham as an actual expiring contract in the

1859
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:11,199
trades, will guarantee the twelve point
seven million. We bring back Jeddie Osmond

1860
01:56:11,239 --> 01:56:15,199
just because we want shooting at maybe
a slight race from the six point seven

1861
01:56:15,439 --> 01:56:17,560
that he's at right now, and
we just kind of move forward that we'll

1862
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:23,359
look at using the full mid level
exception. So it just I don't know

1863
01:56:23,359 --> 01:56:26,239
what they're gonna do. And looming
over all of this, of course,

1864
01:56:26,319 --> 01:56:30,319
is everyone believes and we have been
advocates for accelerating your position in the West

1865
01:56:30,319 --> 01:56:33,880
with Victor Wimenyama, who made First
Team All Defense by the way, first

1866
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,880
time that's happened for a rookie in
NBA history, and it was absolutely well

1867
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:42,079
deserved. So well, how does
that fit? Like what's the better route

1868
01:56:42,079 --> 01:56:45,199
to go? Is it cap space
or having these Is it like, yes,

1869
01:56:45,239 --> 01:56:46,960
you can use cap space and trades
again, but teams always want bodies

1870
01:56:47,239 --> 01:56:49,760
or is this something that if they're
not going to do it, make the

1871
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:53,960
decision right now? Is it better
to have the guys under contract that you

1872
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:57,640
can move at the deadline or to
future date when you do decide to make

1873
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,840
more of a consolidation trade. I
don't know what the answer is for them.

1874
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:03,039
I look at the free agent mark
and it's kind of like, why

1875
01:57:03,079 --> 01:57:05,359
would you operate with cap space?
Even if it's a matter of just getting

1876
01:57:05,399 --> 01:57:10,960
Tias Jones, it probably makes sense
to operate with cap space. Yeah,

1877
01:57:11,039 --> 01:57:15,600
I think I lean that way.
To. I almost wish they had some

1878
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,640
harder decisions to make just just be
well one, because it'd be better content

1879
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:21,840
for us to discuss when we talk
about whether they what they should give Mamu

1880
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:26,600
in a restricted free agency, or
we could talk about Dominic Barlow might be

1881
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:29,520
a little bit of a decision.
But I think it's just like that's too

1882
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:33,039
low stakes from Yeah, what do
you think about Charles Bassi's uh non guarantee?

1883
01:57:33,079 --> 01:57:35,359
Like what do we do there?
Who's more likely to be on this

1884
01:57:35,399 --> 01:57:41,920
team? Actually, Charles Bassie or
Dominic Barlow? I think, yeah,

1885
01:57:42,399 --> 01:57:45,800
the content everybody came here for,
Yeah, Dominic Parlow versus Charles Bassie.

1886
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:50,359
Where else do you get that?
Nowhere? Uh? Locked on Spurs?

1887
01:57:50,359 --> 01:57:57,039
Maybe I have the Toronto Raptors,
so uh they I just I'll say what

1888
01:57:57,079 --> 01:58:01,199
it is. How does this work
in really to the pick conveying? Well,

1889
01:58:01,279 --> 01:58:05,000
because you just you don't have that
first round salary slot to consider when

1890
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:10,239
you're putting their cap together. So
I mean just a plethora of options because

1891
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:14,319
of the pick conveyance. That's like
meaning Yaka pearls eight million dollars less than

1892
01:58:14,319 --> 01:58:16,640
he actually is this season technically,
right. I never thought about that easy

1893
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,840
to call it for a first round
pick that was just ingenious by Massia.

1894
01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:25,039
Incredible. Uh, not saying this
is it, but just for so we

1895
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:29,159
have a kind of a global Gary
Trent Junior made it to free agency,

1896
01:58:30,199 --> 01:58:33,119
made it now what don't know,
not their top priority. But they did

1897
01:58:33,159 --> 01:58:35,880
not trade him. This is the
last vestige of the like, come on,

1898
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:40,119
Massa, you gotta get off this
expiring contract. You know what happens.

1899
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,399
We did it with o g.
Couldn't quite couldn't quite hit the trifecta

1900
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:46,920
with Gary Trent. We can talk
about him if you want later, but

1901
01:58:47,319 --> 01:58:50,560
uh, they've got let's say,
I'm trying to think of any other housekeeping

1902
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:54,119
for them before we get to you. No, nothing that's moving me.

1903
01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:59,159
Jordan Wara should extend. Do you
think that they should extend Chris Bouchet do

1904
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,199
you? I know? I know
because I would like him to be on

1905
01:59:03,239 --> 01:59:06,960
a team that's going to properly utilize
him as the focal point on both ends

1906
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,479
of the floor that he should be. Okay, that's fair, we can

1907
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:14,920
I will stop with the preamble.
Emmanuel quickly as a restricted free agent,

1908
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:19,439
depending on when and where you got
his salary expectations over the course of the

1909
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:25,600
last year. There's everything from quickly
not accepting a Knick's offer worth about eighteen

1910
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:30,000
million a season. Before the trade, there was Michael Graines reporting that he

1911
01:59:30,079 --> 01:59:33,119
wanted five for one thirty five or
in that range. So the question for

1912
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:36,439
or the toughest free agency issue is
just like, what's that number got to

1913
01:59:36,479 --> 01:59:41,800
be for Emmanuel quickly? Like what
is he? Is he a twenty five

1914
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:44,960
million dollar a year guy? Is
it gonna have to be over thirty?

1915
01:59:45,319 --> 01:59:49,039
It's I don't know where the outside
offers are coming from. Necessarily, I

1916
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:53,680
guess we have to just obligatorily mention
Orlando. I like him. Who do

1917
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:57,000
you prefer for Orlando quickly or Malik
Monk? I like quickly better. I

1918
01:59:57,039 --> 02:00:00,960
would rather have quickly for sure?
Well I should say for sure, I

1919
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:04,000
think I'd rather quickly. But so
there is I guess then from that perspective

1920
02:00:04,039 --> 02:00:10,319
there's more leverage coming in against Toronto
on him than there is coming in on

1921
02:00:10,399 --> 02:00:14,800
the Kings for Monk or really any
other you know one or two that can

1922
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:18,600
shoot it and run the offense.
Do you have a feel for like,

1923
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:25,359
like what number for quickly? Just
say average annual value like feels about right.

1924
02:00:25,399 --> 02:00:29,479
And that's considering from Toronto's perspective,
Like we traded some stuff for this

1925
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,199
guy. We can't let him go, so maybe there's a little premium on

1926
02:00:31,279 --> 02:00:34,680
it, Like what number if it
comes in is like, Okay, I

1927
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:39,920
get it, that's that's fine something. But if he gets twenty five or

1928
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:44,319
less, I think that'll be super
team friendly. Okay, so I would

1929
02:00:44,319 --> 02:00:46,199
look at it more as like twenty
seven to thirty. I would be fairly

1930
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:50,039
shocked if he winds up getting the
max. But I guess with like Detroit

1931
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:54,039
floating around there and being super reckless, it wouldn't surprise. I know they

1932
02:00:54,039 --> 02:00:57,600
have j andn Ivy, but it's
it's Detroit and who knows how how who

1933
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:00,520
knows how married the next run office
will be too ivy, I mean,

1934
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:03,840
but he's someone I bet the Spurs
wish they had a little more cap room

1935
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:06,840
for well, they could, they
could get there, Keldon Johnson. Usual

1936
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:11,800
training into someone's cap space and done. Yeah, okay, maybe we gotta

1937
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,359
find trade with Toronto. If you
wanted to do something like that, well,

1938
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,720
Keldon Johnson, you're gone. Detroit's
taking you into cap space. Emmanuel

1939
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:23,119
quickly becomes a spur. Oh,
I would just feel really bad for Keldon

1940
02:01:23,159 --> 02:01:27,479
Johnson in that scenario. But uh
so, so what would surprise you more?

1941
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:31,039
If he gets twenty five million dollars
or less per year average annual value,

1942
02:01:31,399 --> 02:01:34,880
or if he gets the four year
max, which is four years one

1943
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:39,439
fifty that's called it one fifty eight. It's like one fifty seven point nine.

1944
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:45,840
I think the four year max would
surprise me more. I just just

1945
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:49,760
that that's such a big I mean, that's close to forty a year they

1946
02:01:49,880 --> 02:01:54,439
are. I'm just this team has
so many tough decisions to make. This

1947
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,640
Like there's the Gary Trent thing that
you mentioned. It's do we roll over

1948
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:00,199
Bruce Brown's team option to use him
as a I don't even think about body

1949
02:02:00,199 --> 02:02:04,760
in the rotation they got. They
just have like a weirdly medium to high

1950
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:08,960
stakes off season on their hands right
now. Scotty Barnes is extension not free

1951
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,479
agency, which we probably should have
mapped that out where it was, well,

1952
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:14,239
why did you mention to the not
free agency? So we're not talking

1953
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:17,479
about it. Yeah, I mean, it's just nice that they know where

1954
02:02:17,479 --> 02:02:19,920
all their picks are going now.
So, I mean, once that's.

1955
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:25,960
Now that that's off the table,
they can can turn to Scottie Barnes Free

1956
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:28,439
Agency. I really want to throw
it to you now while you're choking,

1957
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:32,800
so you have to talk through the
Utah so I have energy drinking my eyes

1958
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:38,000
and it's now burning. Oh you're
mainlining it. I see, I didn't.

1959
02:02:40,079 --> 02:02:41,840
Oh, that's just caught me off
guard. That was great. But

1960
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:45,079
yeah, if you're not ready for
a pick conveyance reference on Toronto and you're

1961
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:48,560
that's just that's not me. I
shouldn't have sipped at all during the Toronto.

1962
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:53,439
Now that we're free of Toronto and
we've I've given you a moment to

1963
02:02:53,479 --> 02:02:57,079
collect yourself. Oh g power through
the hamstring injury to play four minutes.

1964
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,840
I'm gonna do one veteran power through
the rest of this podcast with one point

1965
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,640
five eyes. It's your last one
because I have the wizard. So just

1966
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:09,920
make it the Utah jazz they have
like I guess, and it's not.

1967
02:03:10,439 --> 02:03:13,840
It's a it's a pretty big decision. It's Larry Markinen, who, by

1968
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,760
the way, I botched this for
some reason what I totally wrote about it,

1969
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:21,680
and well that's an all fair conversation. But anyway the renegotiat and extend

1970
02:03:23,039 --> 02:03:28,319
with Larry Market, it's should we
bring him up to the max looking at

1971
02:03:28,319 --> 02:03:30,680
the cap space that we have or
anything close to it, or do we

1972
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:35,760
let him hit unrestricted free agency pay
him later because we value that flexibility.

1973
02:03:36,199 --> 02:03:41,039
And it's just like, I don't
honestly know what you do, because I

1974
02:03:41,039 --> 02:03:45,119
think in essence, if you're if
you're Utah, and you're saying, well,

1975
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:48,520
we're operating on this gradual timeline,
why wouldn't we just bring Let's just

1976
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:51,640
say they bring his salary up to
the max for next year, which would

1977
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:57,079
be forty two point three million dollars, which is like twenty five million above

1978
02:03:57,119 --> 02:04:00,159
what he is making, and they
have the cap space, by the way,

1979
02:04:00,319 --> 02:04:02,439
to just make that happen. They
could have over thirty five million in

1980
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:06,039
room is what they're probably projected to
about have. They could increase that number

1981
02:04:06,079 --> 02:04:09,439
if they really wanted to. They
could work with a smaller number if they

1982
02:04:09,479 --> 02:04:12,359
really want to, you know,
keep tayling Horton Tucker for some reason.

1983
02:04:12,399 --> 02:04:15,960
I don't know why they would,
but so they have the money to do

1984
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:19,520
that. But if you're going to
do that, you're kind of creating this

1985
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:25,199
urgency, and it's like DECAF phase
might be useful then to help you maximize

1986
02:04:25,199 --> 02:04:29,079
that urgency. I don't know what
the right answer is, but if you're

1987
02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:31,520
going to keep him, it just
makes more sense to well, let's do

1988
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:35,479
this now so he's not a free
agent ever, and then that's probably still

1989
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:40,479
a contract you could move down the
line. But to use twenty five million,

1990
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,920
or even if he takes maybe the
concession is will take less than the

1991
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:45,920
max, or the salary starts declining
after I get the max. We've seen

1992
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:50,880
that happen already in the past.
I just I don't know. I think

1993
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:54,439
it's a tough decision. Then people
make it out to be I would do

1994
02:04:54,439 --> 02:04:56,079
it if I was a utah.
I want to make that clear. But

1995
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:59,960
just using twenty five million or twenty
million whatever ends up being of your own

1996
02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:03,199
cap space, just to basically keep
the same roster intact, right, That

1997
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:09,800
gets weird. It's really hard because
I think what you're doing in any renegotiating

1998
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:13,800
extent for him is trying to find
a number that one it's worth his while

1999
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:20,039
to sign for, and two that
preserves or maybe even increases his trade value,

2000
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:25,279
because like that he's twenty seven,
like Utah is nowhere close. Like,

2001
02:05:25,359 --> 02:05:29,760
it's just I think he ultimately,
whether he signs a contract that you

2002
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:33,119
know, theoretically keeps him in Utah
for longer, he's really like he's a

2003
02:05:33,159 --> 02:05:36,479
contract to be traded. I think
it's just that that feels like the most

2004
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:41,079
logical, like ultimate outcome for him. You can't go. I mean,

2005
02:05:41,239 --> 02:05:45,399
so maybe there's a number that would
be an interesting thought exercise probably for another

2006
02:05:45,439 --> 02:05:47,800
podcast, Like there's probably a number
where he's you're actually even though you're adding

2007
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:51,960
years, Like maybe that makes his
trade value lower than it could otherwise,

2008
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:57,720
be like I don't really get him
for four and total. Yeah, that

2009
02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:00,600
probably increases his trade value. But
that's so. And by the way,

2010
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:02,600
the other thing that we could mention, I just assume it's a non option

2011
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:06,920
for his plate. If you just
signed him to a basic extension, the

2012
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:11,840
starting salary on that is gonna be
like twenty five point three million. He's

2013
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:15,520
not signing that. No, if
you could sign him to that, like

2014
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:19,479
then oh my god, Like what
Brunton territory of did you see that?

2015
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:23,880
He's that they expect him to sign
the four for one fifty six point five

2016
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:29,239
extension, which is just like that
is this is someone who came in on

2017
02:06:29,279 --> 02:06:32,039
a second rounder salary and then now
signed a contract that, yes it was

2018
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:34,960
deemed market value at the time,
but turned into one of the best bargains

2019
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:39,640
in the NBA, is now going
to sign another contract where I'd say at

2020
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:43,039
least the first I would say the
first three years of that, just because

2021
02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:45,039
like it's gonna be a bar I
know, you're playing for Tims. It

2022
02:06:45,039 --> 02:06:47,800
takes you through your age thirty one
season or whatever it is, But like

2023
02:06:48,359 --> 02:06:51,479
that shot like this would be on
the same Honestly, it'd probably be more

2024
02:06:51,479 --> 02:06:55,199
shocking to me, just because the
numbers so low, flowery market and just

2025
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:59,640
extended to get twenty five million dollars. Yeah, no, that I we

2026
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:02,920
should have probably talked about that with
the Knicks. Just I just like I

2027
02:07:03,319 --> 02:07:05,880
we talked about it before. It's
like, that would be what a coup

2028
02:07:06,119 --> 02:07:10,640
for the Knicks if they could get
him for that number. Crazy. Only

2029
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:12,680
by the way, if he does
that, I'm calling it right now,

2030
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:15,279
Michal Bridges ends up on the Knicks. They're the only reason to do that

2031
02:07:15,399 --> 02:07:17,880
is to make it so easier for
your team to navigate the seven apron.

2032
02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:20,880
Moving forward, and they've promised you
something else, and that something else is

2033
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:29,039
another Villanova wildcat. That's the only
watching doesn't get finished four year max,

2034
02:07:29,079 --> 02:07:30,800
which is like two hundred and eight
plus or the five year max, which

2035
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,920
is like two seventy. I'm doing
all these rounding things right now for anyone

2036
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:39,439
who likes to work in exacts,
like you would still get a shit ton

2037
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,520
more money than that, and you
could be hedging against injury. But I

2038
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:45,279
think he's now reached the status where
if he gets injured next season, I

2039
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,760
hope he doesn't. And he just
had surgery on his hand. He's entering

2040
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,600
twenty twenty five for agency declining the
playoffs, so someone will give him the

2041
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:55,159
four year max, right, Like
that's just happening, I think, So

2042
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:59,279
yeah, Like like what would have
to happen for that. Let's we probab

2043
02:07:59,279 --> 02:08:01,800
shouldnt Eve talk about? Like something
terrible would have to happen for that not

2044
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:03,640
to be the kid, So it's
I mean, you know, I'm just

2045
02:08:05,239 --> 02:08:07,119
I'm honestly surprised. I know he's
tied to the next organization. I know

2046
02:08:07,159 --> 02:08:11,079
there might be an allegiance there because
they kind of oversaw his rise to superstart

2047
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:15,319
him and he's playing with a bunch
of guys he loves, but that would

2048
02:08:15,359 --> 02:08:18,279
be just and maybe we're just way
off and we're not sure. He's a

2049
02:08:18,279 --> 02:08:20,119
smaller guard. He now has some
injuries in the rear view. How does

2050
02:08:20,119 --> 02:08:24,319
he age? But I don't know, man, just looking at like what

2051
02:08:24,399 --> 02:08:26,760
the like he could even just again, even if it's not the max,

2052
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:33,199
like getting four years like in or
something, just like that's so much more

2053
02:08:33,239 --> 02:08:37,199
money. Yeah. Yeah, but
this is the Jazz. So I think

2054
02:08:37,239 --> 02:08:39,279
that's their most important that. I
mean, it's clearly their most important decisions.

2055
02:08:39,279 --> 02:08:43,479
Do you expect to renegotiate and extend
with lowry marketing him to get done?

2056
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,159
Or sorry, what's more likely he
gets traded or renegotiated and extended.

2057
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:54,479
Oh that's fun. I guess I
really want him to get traded. So

2058
02:08:54,560 --> 02:09:00,640
I'm like trying to like pull back
from that big market. Yeah, it's

2059
02:09:01,039 --> 02:09:03,680
and I want him to get traded
to the Thunder. So I'm just really,

2060
02:09:05,319 --> 02:09:13,920
let's go from Salt Lake City to
Oklahoma City. Uh, I'll say

2061
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:18,039
it's more likely that he I didn't
think it was this I didn't think it

2062
02:09:18,039 --> 02:09:20,800
was this hard to make it kind
of hard, I guess it's more likely

2063
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:24,680
he renegotiates an extent. I don't
know if do you have a strong feeling

2064
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:26,920
on it? Yeah, I feel
strongly it's more likely they renegotiate an extent.

2065
02:09:28,119 --> 02:09:30,439
Do you is there I didn't get
We didn't get into your number on

2066
02:09:30,479 --> 02:09:33,479
this really quickly. Is there something
that's like, what's the like? Are

2067
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:39,399
you comfortable with him on the max? I think he's probably I was gonna

2068
02:09:39,399 --> 02:09:43,640
say, I think he's probably still
a hugely positive trade asset at that number.

2069
02:09:43,439 --> 02:09:46,399
He's not like best player on a
really good team level. So I

2070
02:09:46,399 --> 02:09:50,479
guess like by definition that I mean
there's plenty of guys that make maxes that

2071
02:09:50,479 --> 02:09:54,640
that's true for I'd like it a
little under the max. I think like

2072
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:58,319
that seems a little rich for me. Are you are you going full max?

2073
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:01,720
I probably would, just because I
think you look at it as you're

2074
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:03,720
taking off one of those years next
year when you know he's still in his

2075
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:07,079
prime, and then as as a
trade asset or just from a team building

2076
02:10:07,119 --> 02:10:11,840
perspective, it's just like you have
fewer years left on it. I know

2077
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:15,159
that means he can get paid sooner, but uh, the way that the

2078
02:10:15,239 --> 02:10:16,399
NBA set up is a lot of
the time you reach a point of your

2079
02:10:16,439 --> 02:10:20,680
career where you are paid for what
you have done rather than what you're actively

2080
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:24,239
doing or going to do. And
this just kind of made sure you're you're

2081
02:10:24,279 --> 02:10:26,239
within that sweet spotify Like he's getting
paid what he's worth right now. By

2082
02:10:26,279 --> 02:10:31,079
the time the contract ends, he's
probably worth that or close to it.

2083
02:10:31,399 --> 02:10:33,720
Yeah, he's at least by even
if on the back end it's like he's

2084
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:37,800
not worth it anymore. As well, those previous three years, he absolutely

2085
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:39,159
what happened Like he's on gonna be
what thirty at that point, Like,

2086
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:41,840
what's so? What what had happened
in that you have bigger problems if that's

2087
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:48,680
the issue. Uh, last,
but I mean maybe least early in the

2088
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:52,800
conversation for a least, the Portland
had the least like I mean, it

2089
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:56,520
was an interesting thought exercise, but
they were the least compelling one from a

2090
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:58,880
like there. But it's also,
oh, the Blazers are technically in the

2091
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:05,119
acts, but I think they're the
team where it's so we gotta talk Anthony

2092
02:11:05,159 --> 02:11:07,319
Gill. I mean he's unrestricted.
No, I mean, like even going

2093
02:11:07,319 --> 02:11:11,039
from that to the actual pick,
which is Tias Jones is like, I

2094
02:11:11,079 --> 02:11:13,960
mean, it's a pretty big lead, but it's not exactly the highest stakes.

2095
02:11:13,439 --> 02:11:20,399
Tias Jones unrestricted was not traded at
the deadline. There wasn't you believed

2096
02:11:20,399 --> 02:11:26,159
it? The wizard certainly like he
made fourteen million last year. I actually

2097
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:28,640
kind of think did I already say
this? I can't remember. I think

2098
02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:35,600
there's a decent chance that like he
could end up with a bigger total value

2099
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:39,560
contract than D'Angelo Russell might get if
he if he declines his player option.

2100
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:43,079
Not annual basis, but like if
you go this is like if Dilo declines

2101
02:11:43,119 --> 02:11:48,359
and goes like two for fifty and
Tias Jones in free agency gets like four

2102
02:11:48,439 --> 02:11:52,520
for sixty or something like that,
you're basically just saying, like Tias Jones

2103
02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:56,399
is more likely to sign a long
term deal than the end just total,

2104
02:11:56,479 --> 02:11:58,600
yeah, total dollars on the contract. I think it. Yeah, I

2105
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:01,840
thought for a second I thought you
were like kind of on the level of

2106
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:05,720
me saying font Tech you over j
and Ivy. That not an annual value

2107
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:09,239
I don't think, although, like
you know, fourteen and Dilo made like

2108
02:12:09,279 --> 02:12:15,039
eighteen or the nineteen is sure honestly, yeah, yes, And and if

2109
02:12:15,039 --> 02:12:18,680
you're talking just like universal fits like
Tyus Jones obviously fits more places than than

2110
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:24,920
Delo does. I think it's just
the smart money should just be on the

2111
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:28,119
Wizards have to bring him back at
whatever like reasonable number there is. They

2112
02:12:28,119 --> 02:12:33,199
can beat the market for him,
I assume. I guess again, Orlando

2113
02:12:33,359 --> 02:12:37,640
might want to guard. Uh,
like he's just gonna be brought back.

2114
02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:41,640
That's been your take. Well,
it's just I know, I'm not like

2115
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:43,720
mocking it. It's like I feel
like I say it so much that I

2116
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:48,399
feel like we got people get mad
at you because you said Orlando's need a

2117
02:12:48,439 --> 02:12:52,039
guard because they didn't think they did. They had Mark go Folds. They're

2118
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:58,199
fine, They're fine. I guess, like the the this isn't even quite

2119
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:01,880
like Galaxy Brain, but like the
two steps ahead is, well, they

2120
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:05,359
didn't trade him because they know they
can sign him to a longer deal that

2121
02:13:05,399 --> 02:13:07,560
will make him more valuable as a
trade chip, just because the team getting

2122
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:11,880
him has greater security. I think
Tyas Jones is a good enough player where

2123
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:15,720
multiple years is actually like a value
add as opposed to well, he's a

2124
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,199
rental, which you know last year
he would have just been a rental and

2125
02:13:18,199 --> 02:13:20,000
there are plenty of teams that could
have justified it, but I think that's

2126
02:13:20,039 --> 02:13:22,760
got to be the play here.
Get him back for you know, three

2127
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:26,920
four years and mid level are significantly
better than that money, and then you

2128
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:31,880
move him to it, and so
like that's just that seems like the likeliest

2129
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:33,119
outcome to me. I don't know
how difficult of a decision that is,

2130
02:13:33,159 --> 02:13:39,680
other than like what does the number
need to be to maximize the return trade.

2131
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:41,199
The other thing is is I know
he's maybe not the caliber of player

2132
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:45,319
where it's fully in his hands,
but like it's not just because the Wizards

2133
02:13:45,359 --> 02:13:48,199
are willing to pay him X doesn't
mean he just leave, yeah for like

2134
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:52,920
a better team. Without that is
that's the element that makes this tougher,

2135
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:56,479
right, is they may have to
go higher to get him to sign with

2136
02:13:56,600 --> 02:14:00,520
them, and then if you go
too high, suddenly he's not a valuable

2137
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:01,680
as a trade ship. So it's
there. That might be why it end

2138
02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:05,800
up being like a short term thing
where it's like he signed like two for

2139
02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:09,680
forty or something just because he gets
that higher annual amount. It could be

2140
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:13,600
it's all a question of like what
makes him more palatable for a trade partner

2141
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:18,039
like doesn't have value to the Wizards
other than like the adults in the room,

2142
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:20,640
like take care of that. They
need a for general, like they

2143
02:14:20,720 --> 02:14:22,720
just they need a for general,
right, but like to do what like

2144
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:26,680
this team is not is not you
know, gonna play any serious games for

2145
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:31,319
at least a couple of years or
so what is like what is the does

2146
02:14:31,359 --> 02:14:35,000
he end up like how much does
he end up making that? Because like

2147
02:14:35,039 --> 02:14:37,239
he can charge the Wizards attacks of
like, hey you suck, You're going

2148
02:14:37,279 --> 02:14:41,520
to trade me, and you also
need me otherwise you just don't really.

2149
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,680
I mean, they could go out
and they can sign like a cheaper point

2150
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:48,039
guard, but like, could you
see that is if I said it's sixteen

2151
02:14:48,119 --> 02:14:50,680
million, is that even too conservative
for him? Particularly? You got to

2152
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:54,359
beat the mid level I think for
sure, and so then well that's less

2153
02:14:54,399 --> 02:14:56,439
than he's making now. So yeah, he signs for the mid level,

2154
02:14:56,600 --> 02:15:01,399
right, it's just for him.
It's like I think, I I keep

2155
02:15:01,479 --> 02:15:03,560
thinking of like, well, what's
a four year deal? Look like four

2156
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:07,680
for sixty four for sixty five like
something like that. But I wonder if

2157
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:11,720
what you were kind of getting to
like just the shorter deal, right,

2158
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:16,680
the two for thirty six or something
like that, or two even two for

2159
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:20,560
forty or something thirty eight or something
like that. Honestly, you mentioned like

2160
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:24,479
three for fifty four feels like the
tiest Jones like sweet spot deal. Well,

2161
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:28,079
but for him, I think that's
pretty great. But like I wonder

2162
02:15:28,119 --> 02:15:33,920
if if you're trying to trade him
as the Wizards, is he more movable

2163
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:37,720
on three for fifty four or like
two for forty or do you want that

2164
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,680
four for sixty five? Like I
don't know which which one makes him more

2165
02:15:41,720 --> 02:15:46,279
palatable? Is it the longer security
or the dollar you have to measure it

2166
02:15:46,319 --> 02:15:50,760
against? Does playing for them repress
his performance in any way to where he

2167
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:52,960
could have a more efficient shooting season
just because the talent around him isn't great.

2168
02:15:54,199 --> 02:15:56,239
If he's running teams, why would
we want to trade for this point

2169
02:15:56,239 --> 02:16:01,119
guard who's running the twenty eighth best
offense league. Yeah, that's the thing.

2170
02:16:01,359 --> 02:16:03,840
And like really, if you're Washington, you should specifically be thinking of

2171
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:09,680
like well, because like what player
do we want back in the fifteen to

2172
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:13,319
seventeen million dollar range? That's like
we need a young guy who was projectable,

2173
02:16:13,359 --> 02:16:16,279
and like it's just got to be
for a pick like right, and

2174
02:16:16,319 --> 02:16:20,119
you're hoping that this comes worth a
first on his next deal. Yeah,

2175
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:24,560
I would lean towards I'd probably give
him whatever he wants within reason, just

2176
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:30,159
because he still is super valuable to
offsetting the playmaking workload of Denny Avvia helping

2177
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:33,079
set up la Kola Bali. And
it's just one of those We've talked about

2178
02:16:33,079 --> 02:16:35,360
this a lot where it feels like
there are guys who may not fit your

2179
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:39,559
timeline, but they very clearly can
help streamline the development of those who do.

2180
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:43,680
And he feels like a perfect case
study of that type of player for

2181
02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:46,920
what like including the guys that they've
i mean, the fringes of the roster,

2182
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:50,399
and then also just who they're gonna
ad via the draft this year.

2183
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:54,280
Yeah, I just wonder like if
the Spurs come in and say he goes

2184
02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:58,200
to the Wizards and says, I've
got two for forty five coming from the

2185
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:01,639
Spurs, Like, what are you
doing? Washington? Then like that's where

2186
02:17:01,639 --> 02:17:03,879
it gets tough, because because I
think you're right, like you can't the

2187
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:07,959
walk away, it should not be
an option. But there's got to be

2188
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:11,840
a number where Washington says, like, all right, well that's too high

2189
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:15,760
for us. Now he left for
nothing. You give him Bilking Trey Jones

2190
02:17:15,799 --> 02:17:18,840
of the starting spot in San Antonio. That make for some awkward Thanksgiving dinners.

2191
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:20,799
Right, dogg eat dog out there. You gotta you gotta get your

2192
02:17:20,799 --> 02:17:24,559
getting where you fit in? Uh? Was that all that? That was

2193
02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:37,120
all thirty teams? Right? Yeah? Alphabetically anyway we ended Washington stat padding

2194
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:43,280
time, Grant, I have questions
for you. Are I have answers?

2195
02:17:43,799 --> 02:17:46,239
Question? You have all the answers. That's the confidence we want to see,

2196
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:54,559
mister Grant Hughes. Which NBA player
is more important to the future of

2197
02:17:54,639 --> 02:18:00,600
their current team? Jalen Brown or
Derek White? Oh? Well, Uh,

2198
02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:09,440
Jalen Brown, LaMelo Ball or Brandon
Miller, Brandon Miller, Aaron Gordon

2199
02:18:09,680 --> 02:18:20,799
or Jamal Murray. Oh Aaron go
wow id Jalen Johnson or Trey Young the

2200
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:26,079
future? How which future is there? Uh? Trey Young because that trade

2201
02:18:26,079 --> 02:18:33,040
package, Patrick Williams or Kobe White, Kobe White, Donovan Mitchell or Evan

2202
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:41,079
Mobley, Evan Mobley, Anthony Davis
or Lebron James Anthony Davis just because his

2203
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:45,879
future is longer in the NBA.
I think Kyrie Irving or Derek Lively,

2204
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:54,680
Oh Lively, jayde and Ivy or
Asar Thompson, Asar Thompson, Jalen Green

2205
02:18:54,799 --> 02:19:01,399
or I'men Thompson, m M.
I'm and Tom, Paul George or James

2206
02:19:01,399 --> 02:19:11,559
Harden Paul George, Desmond Baine or
Jaron Jackson Jr. Oh Man Uh Jared

2207
02:19:11,639 --> 02:19:20,079
Jackson Jr. Jayden McDaniels or Karl
Anthony Towns Karl Anthony Towns Ooh, Tyler

2208
02:19:20,120 --> 02:19:28,799
Hero or Jaime Hawkes Hawk as Herb
Jones or Trey Murphy just dead even split

2209
02:19:28,079 --> 02:19:33,120
I'll say, I'll say Trey Murphy, I like it. Jalen Suggs or

2210
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:41,280
Franz Wagner. It's still gotta be
Franz. I disagree, Chet Holmgren or

2211
02:19:41,319 --> 02:19:46,280
Jalen Williams. Oh, well,
it's obviously Jalen Williams. He can't ask

2212
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:48,680
me that question. What's the actual
answer, though, it's still Jalen Williams,

2213
02:19:50,719 --> 02:19:56,399
Kegan Murray or Domntis Sabonis Keegan Murray, R. J. Barrett A

2214
02:19:56,440 --> 02:20:01,879
Greedy Dick R. J. Barrett
Ava or Bakola Bali, Oh, this

2215
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:09,120
one hurts. I gotta Denny,
Isaiah Hartenstein or Mitchell Robinson Hartenstein kyan'te George

2216
02:20:09,159 --> 02:20:16,399
or Walker Kessler. Oh, that's
interesting. I think it's George aaron Ne

2217
02:20:16,559 --> 02:20:22,639
Smith or Miles Turner, Turner,
Brooke Lopez or Chris Middleton. I'll say

2218
02:20:22,719 --> 02:20:28,280
Chris Middleton, he's under contract for
longer, Jeremy Grant or Anthony Simon's Simons.

2219
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:31,680
That's all I got for you,
man, A little bit too easy

2220
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:35,040
for you. I will know.
I was just I was. I wanted

2221
02:20:35,079 --> 02:20:37,319
to ask a question, was like, Dan, what do you actually mean

2222
02:20:37,719 --> 02:20:41,520
future? Like I want the people
who give a fuck, so we're not

2223
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:46,440
going to define it. Did you
want do you have any did you want

2224
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:48,719
to do? Do you have some
time to run through some Guessa players?

2225
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:50,559
Of course? Like I just got
to pull them up here. I don't

2226
02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:54,239
want. I assume I have some
new ones, but I'm not. I

2227
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:56,680
have one. I didn't respond to
be Rich, but he gave me one

2228
02:20:56,719 --> 02:21:00,000
for you. Ready to get in
the mind of a psychopath? Thank you

2229
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:03,399
be Rich. My messages are uh
I'm inundated at the moment. I need

2230
02:21:03,399 --> 02:21:07,079
to catch up. Uh yeah,
I'm just pulling up some from Mike here.

2231
02:21:07,159 --> 02:21:11,120
I'm I'm ready. Clue one.
I was drafted in the lottery in

2232
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:16,399
the nineties, helping my team reach
its conference semifinals during my rookie season.

2233
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:22,399
Lottery in the nineties conference semifinals rookie
season, I have to try, don't

2234
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:31,840
I drafted in the nineties, and
shit, I don't know uh sharif abduur

2235
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:37,840
raheem. That is incorrect. Clue
number two. I have the one hundredth

2236
02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:43,200
best wind shares per forty eight season
in NBA slash ABA history for my two

2237
02:21:43,239 --> 02:21:48,079
thousand and one two thousand and two
efforts, one spot ahead of Santa Clara

2238
02:21:48,239 --> 02:21:54,440
legend Ken Sears. Let me hold
on, let me pull up my encyclopedic

2239
02:21:54,479 --> 02:22:00,239
knowledge of the all time greatest wind
shares for forty eight seasons. I would

2240
02:22:00,239 --> 02:22:01,719
assume you just know where Ken Seears
ranks and who would be in front of

2241
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:07,719
him. No, is it McGrady. It is not McGrady. Clue three.

2242
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:11,440
I finished my career thirty third in
playoff assist with seven hundred and sixty

2243
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:15,959
four, ahead of Kyle Lowry,
Danny Ames, Darren Williams, Terry Porter,

2244
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:22,840
and Derek Fisher. So a lottery
guard conference semi finals, like that's

2245
02:22:22,840 --> 02:22:30,600
what we're gonna help And played in
the nineties to two thousands. Uh,

2246
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:33,360
we already did Andre Miller. Better
not be Andre Miller. It is not

2247
02:22:33,559 --> 02:22:37,440
Andre Miller. Are you ready for
the next clue? Yeah, I got

2248
02:22:37,479 --> 02:22:41,600
nothing. I'm ready to give you
the next clue, then clue number four.

2249
02:22:41,719 --> 02:22:46,000
Three of my most similar players are
Lebron James, Larry Bird, and

2250
02:22:46,079 --> 02:22:50,079
Charles Barkley. In other news,
I was quite good at basketball. Okay,

2251
02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:58,040
so maybe not a guard? A
bunch of playoff assists? Is it

2252
02:22:58,079 --> 02:23:05,600
Kobe Bryant? It is not Kobe
Bryant? Okay? Clue five. My

2253
02:23:05,719 --> 02:23:09,159
career true shooting percentage was fifty five
point one, despite only shooting eighteen percent

2254
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:15,520
from three. Oh, I don't
know what kind of player this is.

2255
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:18,559
It's all over the place. A
bunch of assists, but the comps are

2256
02:23:18,479 --> 02:23:26,840
forwards. Hmmm, yeah, I
don't know. I got nothing. Clue

2257
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:30,760
number What do we have? Two
six? My career net rating was plus

2258
02:23:30,879 --> 02:23:37,200
fourteen due to an outstanding career ninety
six defensive defensive rating. Did I mention

2259
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:43,239
how good I was at basketball?
So good at basketball? You will get

2260
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:48,159
it on the seventh clue? Okay, cool, well, will I I'll

2261
02:23:48,200 --> 02:23:50,639
just go to seven. I got
I don't know, despite never winning Defensive

2262
02:23:50,639 --> 02:23:54,280
Player of the Year. I'm one
of the best defensive players in history.

2263
02:23:54,319 --> 02:23:58,399
I'm also one of Grant's favorite players. Is this Andre Carolinko? No,

2264
02:23:58,920 --> 02:24:01,280
that doesn't matter with you, but
I got a lot of favorite players.

2265
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:05,959
Uh, never was this? You
should be more judicious and how you hand

2266
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:11,959
out your affection. Don't tell me
how to love Dan. Is it Tim

2267
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:16,319
Duncan, Yes, it's Tim Duncan. Okay, sorry, Tim, The

2268
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:18,959
final clue wasn't if for some reason, it isn't obvious. I was born

2269
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:22,200
in the Virgin Islands and then and
the patron saint of San Antonio, so

2270
02:24:22,879 --> 02:24:26,680
the name was not included in the
initial gap on this, and I thought

2271
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:30,200
it was Tim Duncan because I didn't
look at it until we started recording.

2272
02:24:30,319 --> 02:24:33,879
But the assists and true shooting threw
me off. I didn't realize this true

2273
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:35,959
shooting percentage was that low relative to
we G average. It was fine,

2274
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:39,319
but the numbers are so ingreat.
I was like, no, there's no

2275
02:24:39,360 --> 02:24:41,879
way this is But then the final
clue is like, well, how is

2276
02:24:41,879 --> 02:24:48,200
it not? Yeah? I mean
several of the look, this is what

2277
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:50,200
it's like to be in the mind
of a psychopath. So these clues are

2278
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:54,520
designed to throw you off the scent
for like, so he's just like messing

2279
02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:58,959
with you for the first like three
to five clues, and then then you

2280
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:01,399
get you get thrown a there.
All right, I see how we're going

2281
02:25:01,440 --> 02:25:03,959
to play this game for now?
One, I do have one for you

2282
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:09,040
from Mike. I don't know what
odds I'd give you on this. I

2283
02:25:09,079 --> 02:25:11,760
haven't looked at the clues yet.
Are you ready? You just know the

2284
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:13,959
player. That's an interesting way to
go about it. Well, like,

2285
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:18,280
there's a lot of clues and there's
a lot of information the play. Just

2286
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:22,319
the player is like it's a well, we'll see, we'll see how hard

2287
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:26,879
or easy it is. Here Clue
number one. I was drafted in the

2288
02:25:26,879 --> 02:25:31,399
first round in twenty fourteen and traded
on draft night. The trade was largely

2289
02:25:31,479 --> 02:25:33,879
due to pressure from the team's star
player, who had called me his favorite

2290
02:25:33,879 --> 02:25:37,600
player in the draft and the team
wanted to make him happy. You might

2291
02:25:39,159 --> 02:25:41,719
I didn't read that clue, but
you may want to correct One shot Killed.

2292
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:46,440
Sorry, Mike. There's like six
hundred words of clues that you put

2293
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:50,159
together for nothing. One shot kill. That clue had to come later.

2294
02:25:50,559 --> 02:25:54,120
That's like the single most known thing
about Shabaz Napier. Right by the way,

2295
02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:56,000
for anyone who says, and I
don't want to burn too much times

2296
02:25:56,360 --> 02:26:01,399
that no team would draft Brownie James
hopes of getting Lebron James, somebody said

2297
02:26:01,399 --> 02:26:05,000
were already kind of happened with from
Naper. They did it in hopes of

2298
02:26:05,079 --> 02:26:07,559
keeping Lebron James, and he wasn't
even related. Like, imagine what's possible

2299
02:26:07,639 --> 02:26:11,879
now, right, all right,
we have the clue too. Notable players

2300
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:16,159
taken after me include Clincapella, bogged
On, Bogdanovich, SloMo Spencer, Dinwidie,

2301
02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:20,879
Jeremy Grant, Jordan Clarkson, and
three time MVP Nicole jokicch never heard

2302
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:22,760
of him three As a rookie,
I averaged five points a game on thirty

2303
02:26:22,799 --> 02:26:26,239
eight percent shooting from the field.
By the way, the start set star

2304
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:31,040
player from clue number one, he
was no longer on the team. Tough

2305
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:33,799
break four. In case you're wondering
how rough my rookie season was, I

2306
02:26:33,799 --> 02:26:37,200
was traded after one year with catch
of the magic for a conditional second.

2307
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:43,040
They again, sorry, Mike,
Actually you apologize Dan, because you did

2308
02:26:43,079 --> 02:26:48,120
this. You rendered all this work
useless. There are four, five,

2309
02:26:48,159 --> 02:26:52,840
six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven eleven clues in total,

2310
02:26:52,399 --> 02:26:58,440
lots of information about For example,
this past season, Napier signed with

2311
02:26:58,479 --> 02:27:01,360
Serbian power our house. I shouldn't
have gone down this road. I can't

2312
02:27:01,399 --> 02:27:09,520
pronounce this. Saverna Zvezda joining former
NBA players Namanya Bilitza, one of another,

2313
02:27:09,559 --> 02:27:15,680
one of my favorites, Joel Bollomboy
Onyon Kuzmich. It's two former Warriors,

2314
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:20,239
Marcos Samanovic, Milos Tao Doosich and
Javonte Smart. What a stacked roster

2315
02:27:20,440 --> 02:27:24,479
if that didn't win the Serbian league? Question? This kind of ruins the

2316
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:26,319
one shot kills for me? Does
I feel bad? How much? Like

2317
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:30,680
I know the double edged sword?
The one shot kill? All right?

2318
02:27:30,719 --> 02:27:33,799
Do you have something, honestly like, let's just call spatas bade. I'm

2319
02:27:33,159 --> 02:27:37,319
the bizarre of one shot kills at
this point like this, you've got You've

2320
02:27:37,319 --> 02:27:41,120
got more than I do. For
sure, we'll go back for the gorekeeper.

2321
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:43,239
I do have one. You said
he has Bill Walton stuff for me.

2322
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:46,479
I have a guess a player from
Mike for you. If you if

2323
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:48,719
you're ready, all right, why
don't you give me that? And then

2324
02:27:48,799 --> 02:27:52,719
I'll I'll give you the Bill Waltons
and we'll call it Yeah, who won?

2325
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:56,000
My name was invoked in a Chance
the Rapper song in twenty sixteen,

2326
02:27:56,360 --> 02:28:00,719
several years after I retired. This
was from young thug saying, I got

2327
02:28:00,719 --> 02:28:03,079
me some rings, like I'm blank, I'm balling on you like I'm Chris

2328
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:07,520
Paul. This is because I am
a three time NBA champion. It's just

2329
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:09,840
fun. I'm laughing because I just
know you, of all people, are

2330
02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:11,239
not going to be the one to
know who this is. I was hoping

2331
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:16,079
it would be an easier rhyme to
guess, like what rhymes with Well,

2332
02:28:16,239 --> 02:28:18,799
you'll have to give it away,
Like, I'm just impressed that you knew

2333
02:28:18,879 --> 02:28:24,319
Chance was a rapper? Why do
you assume I don't know about Dalmatian from

2334
02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:28,920
dalmations? I also get that reference
if you want to get a sense of

2335
02:28:28,959 --> 02:28:35,719
the breadth of my trivia, arm
Wasn't there a pongo? Isn't that another

2336
02:28:35,799 --> 02:28:41,719
one hundred one Dalmatians? Pongo,
perdita patches or something? All right,

2337
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:46,159
all right, all right, enough, you win? What are cruel of

2338
02:28:46,200 --> 02:28:54,399
Deville's henchman's names? Can you remember
those horus and are doing the wrong kind

2339
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:58,959
of guessing games around here. Look
at you? What how are we here?

2340
02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:01,120
I don't know. I don't know
what are we doing. Oh I'm

2341
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:05,479
supposed to think of a player that
was in a Chance the Rapper song that

2342
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:09,000
rhymes with Chris Paul Maybe that has
three championship rings. I don't know.

2343
02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:13,399
I don't I gotta try, though. I feel like this is fair.

2344
02:29:13,440 --> 02:29:18,120
It doesn't rhyme Oh okay, thank
you all. So I just have to

2345
02:29:18,159 --> 02:29:22,680
think of all the three time NBA
champions out there that Chance the Rapper would

2346
02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:24,520
also know exists, and young Thug
would also know. Oh okay, all

2347
02:29:24,639 --> 02:29:28,680
right, now we're narrowing down.
Chance the Rapper is a Chicago rapper.

2348
02:29:28,799 --> 02:29:35,600
I think I think he's from Chicago. I didn't know. Let's see three

2349
02:29:35,639 --> 02:29:37,680
time chants. So who was on
one of the three peat? Well,

2350
02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:43,600
I'm gonna say Luke Longley. How
about that? Incorrect? No, damn

2351
02:29:43,639 --> 02:29:46,680
it. I like we were had
that though. Trying clue number two.

2352
02:29:48,760 --> 02:29:52,440
I went undrafted in nineteen ninety three
and started my professional career in flant France

2353
02:29:52,559 --> 02:30:00,680
with LaHave undrafted ninety three, but
he wins day high. I apologize for

2354
02:30:00,680 --> 02:30:09,000
all the butcher pronunciations. Uh yeah, I'm not very good at the undrafted

2355
02:30:09,079 --> 02:30:11,520
nineteen ninety three players. I am
confident you will get this player though,

2356
02:30:11,559 --> 02:30:18,440
if that's any consolation, Okay,
uhnight, Well, but three time champion

2357
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:22,479
that was undrafted, Okay, I
don't know. CLU three. Between ninety

2358
02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:26,559
three and ninety seven, I played
with five teams, bouncing back and forth

2359
02:30:26,600 --> 02:30:33,239
between the France and the Rockford Lightning
of the Continental Basketball Association ninety three to

2360
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:39,959
ninety seven, with three championships,
and is not even in the league.

2361
02:30:39,959 --> 02:30:45,000
God damn. Yeah, I don't
know. Clue four. I mean my

2362
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:48,879
NBA debut in nineteen ninety seven,
signing a ten day contract with the Heat.

2363
02:30:48,360 --> 02:30:52,639
In my debut, I played one
minute, scoring zero points, but

2364
02:30:52,719 --> 02:31:00,280
recorded a block. This was my
only action as a rookie. Shit eighty

2365
02:31:00,520 --> 02:31:09,040
seven, Heat, man, that's
helpful. I still have just no idea

2366
02:31:09,639 --> 02:31:13,639
CLU five. The next season,
I signed on with the Celtics. I

2367
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:18,000
played sixty one games, starting nine, averaging one point four steals and five

2368
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:28,680
points. Mmm, Heat Celtics.
I want to say this is a European

2369
02:31:28,680 --> 02:31:33,520
player, just because he was what
like four or five years in France and

2370
02:31:33,559 --> 02:31:35,760
I forget what else you said?
What was the other team? CBA?

2371
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:43,680
The Basketball Association? So that doesn't
mean anything? Ninety seven? Do you?

2372
02:31:43,159 --> 02:31:46,520
I don't know. I'm all over
the place. What's the next clue?

2373
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:48,760
Please clue six. The next season
was a disaster, as I fell

2374
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:52,440
out of the rotation. Only playing
in thirty games, I averaged two points,

2375
02:31:52,520 --> 02:31:56,319
shooting below thirty percent from the floor. My NBA future was in jeopardy.

2376
02:31:56,600 --> 02:32:00,879
I don't think that's going to help
you. Is a Dino? It

2377
02:32:00,959 --> 02:32:05,479
is not him, but holy fuck, good guess. In nineteen ninety nine,

2378
02:32:05,479 --> 02:32:09,719
I signed with the Sixers, but
was traded to the Bulls and immediately

2379
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:13,040
waived. I would then sign up
with on the Heat again for the rest

2380
02:32:13,079 --> 02:32:18,200
of the year to save my career. Oh man, so he's back on

2381
02:32:18,239 --> 02:32:24,479
the Heat in ninety nine two thousand. Who was on those Heat teams?

2382
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:33,159
No, that's way too, way
too late for him. I got I

2383
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:37,120
got nothing. I can't think of
who this is. I think this is

2384
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:39,360
where it starts to get a little
spicy. You got four or five more

2385
02:32:39,399 --> 02:32:41,959
clues left to eight. I re
signed with the Heat in two thousand and

2386
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:46,399
finally put it all together, earning
my first NBA accolade as I was named

2387
02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:50,040
second Team All Defense. This is
two thousand, two thousand. Oh,

2388
02:32:50,079 --> 02:32:58,239
you're gonna get it on the next
clue, good heat defender. It's not

2389
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:01,040
Kurt Thomas is it is not?
Okay, that's that's too late. I

2390
02:33:01,079 --> 02:33:03,920
think, all right, what's the
next one? Clue nine? That offseason,

2391
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:07,120
I signed with the Spurs, being
named the second team All Defense again.

2392
02:33:07,399 --> 02:33:09,920
The next year, I did it
a third time, this time while

2393
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:13,280
starting all eighty two games. However, the best moment from that season was

2394
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:18,719
either winning an NBA title or karate
kicking Wally Serbiak in the face mid game.

2395
02:33:18,360 --> 02:33:22,799
Bruce Bowen, there you go,
Okay, final three clues. Every

2396
02:33:22,840 --> 02:33:24,520
year between four and oh eight,
I was named to First Team All Defense,

2397
02:33:24,559 --> 02:33:28,639
winning my other two rings along the
way. Who eleven My jersey was

2398
02:33:28,680 --> 02:33:31,479
retired by the franchise, but conditionally
unretired when the Spurs signed l Marcus Aldridge.

2399
02:33:31,639 --> 02:33:35,959
Clue twelve. I'm one of the
few legitimate Kobe Stoppers in NBA history.

2400
02:33:37,399 --> 02:33:41,159
That's like, starting with all the
early career stuff is a really good

2401
02:33:41,159 --> 02:33:43,479
way to go for that, because
once you get to the Spurs, that's

2402
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:46,000
like and you have the era.
That one's that one's over. I forgot

2403
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:50,360
now It's like, yeah, I
can picture him with the Celtics jersey and

2404
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:54,840
a heat jersey. But that's okay, all right, good one? Uh

2405
02:33:54,840 --> 02:34:00,559
Dan, who's Bill Walton talking about? Blank just made the war first pass

2406
02:34:00,639 --> 02:34:05,600
in the history of Western civilization?
Is it? JaVale McGee, Doug Christi,

2407
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:11,799
Bonzie Wells, Dewan Wagner. Tremendous
inclusion Tony Parker, who were the

2408
02:34:11,799 --> 02:34:16,280
first? Who are the He goes
back Tony Parker, Javal McGee, Dewan

2409
02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:20,159
Wagner, Doug Christie is in there, and uh, Bonzie Wells is in

2410
02:34:20,200 --> 02:34:26,280
there. Let's go with Bonzie Wells. It is Tony Parker that must likes

2411
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:31,879
to go to like inhumanity, Western
civilization, Well love Western civilization. Really

2412
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:35,559
is a big fan of that as
a as a superlative. All right.

2413
02:34:35,159 --> 02:34:41,239
Number two, Blank's arrogance is an
insult to people who think Gary Payton,

2414
02:34:41,639 --> 02:34:46,920
Quentin Richardson, Steve Francis, Shaquille
O'Neill, Chris Cayman. Uh. This

2415
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:54,600
feels like a what were the options? Hey, Gary Payton, Quentin Richardson,

2416
02:34:54,799 --> 02:34:58,360
Steve Francis, Shaquille O'Neill or Chris
Cayman. This feels too obvious,

2417
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:03,920
but I'll go Steve Francis, it
is Shaquille O'Neill. Uh. I just

2418
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:09,760
I want to see, Like I
wish we had the ability to understand how

2419
02:35:09,799 --> 02:35:13,520
a person's brain like jumps from one
thought to the next, just to explain

2420
02:35:13,639 --> 02:35:20,079
like how Mike settles on which names
to include, because like you'll understand why

2421
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:22,479
when I read you the next group, Because it's just like, how are

2422
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:26,920
these people ever associated in your in
your mind? Clue? Number? Uh?

2423
02:35:26,079 --> 02:35:30,760
Bill Walton is the number three.
He looks like a ballerina out there.

2424
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:37,719
Primore, Primo's Brezich, Tim Hardaway
Senior, Chuck Hayes, Marcus Pfizer,

2425
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:43,520
Adrian Griffin. I have Chuck Hay's
You're corrected as Chuck case balletic Chuck

2426
02:35:43,559 --> 02:35:50,719
Ha's, Oh my god, or
drop players. Good job. Primo Brezich

2427
02:35:50,959 --> 02:35:54,239
I have had I've had him on
a fantasy team years ago. I forget

2428
02:35:54,239 --> 02:35:56,600
why you love him. Also,
is he one of your favorites? No,

2429
02:35:56,799 --> 02:36:03,559
I think he underperformed. Antifection is
conditional, It's super off. If

2430
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:07,760
you want to know one thing about
me, yeah, you know if you

2431
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:11,479
don't score a goal, it's like
you're walking home. Uh. Like most

2432
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:15,200
of the fan base here, I
want more from him. I want more.

2433
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:18,079
I don't should have rather, I
don't want a six inch I want

2434
02:36:18,079 --> 02:36:24,239
a twelve inch Katino Mobley, Tyrus
Thomas, DeMarcus Cousins, Darius Miles,

2435
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:31,920
Lauren Woods. Wow, I'm gonna
say, DeMarcus Cousins. You're correct.

2436
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:33,959
That's two in a row. That
has to be the first two in a

2437
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:39,159
row ever achieved. Bill Walton,
I have three more. We have to

2438
02:36:39,159 --> 02:36:43,959
continue because you can't end on on
a make number five. Blank might be

2439
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:50,399
the most injured athlete in the history
of sports, not Western civilizations. Be

2440
02:36:50,440 --> 02:36:56,239
clear A Derreck Rose, b Vince
Carter, c Yao Ming d Tracy McGrady

2441
02:36:56,399 --> 02:37:03,440
E. Bill Walton. Oh my
god, I want to pick Bill Walton,

2442
02:37:03,479 --> 02:37:05,360
but I'm not going to. I'm
gonna say that it's Yelming. You

2443
02:37:05,399 --> 02:37:07,920
should have gone with your guy,
Dan. First instincts are always correct.

2444
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:13,360
It was Bill Walton talking about Bill
Walton and Chris Ever Walton on Walton,

2445
02:37:13,000 --> 02:37:18,120
Uh crime, I don't know.
Uh six. Is there a better shot

2446
02:37:18,159 --> 02:37:24,479
blocker on Earth? Than Blank?
Jokim Noah Michael Stewart, Vladi devots Spencer

2447
02:37:24,559 --> 02:37:31,959
Hawes, Jerome James PTSD from that
Jerome James contract in New York. Just

2448
02:37:33,079 --> 02:37:37,200
when you think of the best shot
blocker on Earth. I mean, which

2449
02:37:37,239 --> 02:37:39,520
of those guys is it? Who
are the other four locked into Jerome James?

2450
02:37:39,639 --> 02:37:45,799
Yeah, you're really fixated Spencer Hawes, Vladi devots Michael Stewart or Jokim

2451
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:50,000
Noah, I'm gonna go with Spencer
Hawes. It is Vladi. Uh,

2452
02:37:50,360 --> 02:37:58,000
just incredible? How many wild ass? Okay, last one? Lindsay Hunter

2453
02:37:58,399 --> 02:38:03,319
just starting with Lindsay Hunters did No, that's not even the Blank There're so

2454
02:38:03,479 --> 02:38:09,040
this is amazing. Lindsay Hunter is
making Blank look like John Stockton today,

2455
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:16,280
Mike Bibby, Brian Shaw, David
Wesley, Devin George, Earl Watson,

2456
02:38:18,600 --> 02:38:22,920
Earl Watson. It's Devin George.
What are the sets of circumstances that lead

2457
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:28,799
to Devin George being compared to John
Stockton? And how is Lindsay Hunter making

2458
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:33,040
him look like John Stockton? What
this is? I have more fun I

2459
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:39,000
just have more questions than answers.
I love this segment. It's like,

2460
02:38:39,159 --> 02:38:43,680
uh, well, since it's Bill
Walton, it feels appropriate. It's like

2461
02:38:43,719 --> 02:38:48,079
you're pulled into like a psychedelic realm
where like there are no laws and nothing

2462
02:38:48,159 --> 02:38:54,399
makes sense and like logic ceases to
exist. Uh, are you take us

2463
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:58,680
out here? I've thrown off because
last time you did it and now I

2464
02:38:58,120 --> 02:39:03,760
don't know which ways up. Thanks
everybody for listening. I hope you enjoyed

2465
02:39:03,799 --> 02:39:07,040
some evergreen content. You know,
sometimes you got to throw that in there.

2466
02:39:07,239 --> 02:39:09,440
It's a good exercise for us.
Hopefully as you're getting into checking out

2467
02:39:09,440 --> 02:39:15,040
your team's offseason or just are curious
about the league wide off season potential here,

2468
02:39:15,600 --> 02:39:18,440
this will be something to refer back
to or get you, I don't

2469
02:39:18,479 --> 02:39:20,200
know, squared away on some of
this free agency stuff. Don't let anyone

2470
02:39:20,200 --> 02:39:24,120
tell you free agency is going to
be boring. That's usually not the case.

2471
02:39:24,799 --> 02:39:28,000
If you don't already, please remember
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2472
02:39:28,040 --> 02:39:31,360
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2473
02:39:31,360 --> 02:39:35,840
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2474
02:39:35,079 --> 02:39:39,520
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2475
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:43,319
Bill waltonisms if any exists still out
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2476
02:39:43,319 --> 02:39:46,360
the players, stat padding all that
stuff. We get a lot of

2477
02:39:46,440 --> 02:39:50,159
value out of that. Hopefully you
will too. I think that's going to

2478
02:39:50,239 --> 02:39:54,200
cover it. Get links for a
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2479
02:39:54,200 --> 02:40:01,399
description, closing as always with shout
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