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Well, hello and welcome. Did
unforeseen circumstances, we did not record an

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original pod tonight, and it has
nothing to do with the Bills losing in

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overtime to the Philadelphia Eagles. I
don't know about you, but it's frustrating.

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I was so angry at the end
of that game. I wanted to

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say the Bills were the better team. They certainly seemed to dominate, but

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the better team won. I have
never seen a team beat themselves more than

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the Buffalo Bills beat themselves. And
we can all say the non horse collar

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call that was an intentional grounding call. Okay, that's one. That's one.

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The Bills beat themselves in this one, and it just rips your heart

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out, just absolutely rips your heart
out. But I think we have a

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pod that you're going to really enjoy
today. Usually we spend some time with

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Greg Connors, especially on an away
game, kind of recapping the game and

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all that. So I thought we
would kick off this episode that will include

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Armin Shawbrook, Dan Vinton who was
on the Miracle on the Hudson plane,

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and my brother the most interesting Moran
kind of giving me life things and little

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slices of life that I think you're
really going to enjoy. We had an

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episode and you can go listen to
the whole thing episode one ninety three with

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Greg Connor's called Greg Connor's Keys to
Success. And the one thing that Greg

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has that I think is often underestimated
in a lot of people, but most

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successful people have this. They may
not be the most talented, they may

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not be the most athletic, but
they have this and that is drive.

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And I asked Greg, where does
that come from for him? Failure,

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failure, fear of failure, fear
failure. Yeah, yeah, I I've

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you know, I've never been the
tallest, I've never been the most athletic.

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I've never been the smartest. And
so for me, it was all

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about preparation. It was always about
in order for me to succeed on the

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football field, I need to be
stronger than everybody else. So I worked,

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I lifted more, I ran more, and academically I was never the

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smartest. You know, my older
brother had like a genius IQ. He

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can remember anything. He didn't apply
himself. He didn't study, He just

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remember things and he didn't care well. I had to study because if I

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didn't, I had some core based
intelligence but everything I had to do,

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I had to earn. And so
when I was in law school, I

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went from lifting and doing sports,
you know, eight to ten hours a

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day to just reading and writing eight
to twelve hours a day, and it

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was as about preparation. The one
person that I can think of that had

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success as who grew up around success
professionally, who then had that drive and

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even more is Kobe Bryant. Yes. Yeah, that's a great point because

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his dad was played basketball. Dad
was a professional athlete, and then Kobe

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was a professional athlete. And when
you look at and I didn't and surpassed

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his dad because his dad, I
thought played more international. Yeah, right,

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didn't. I don't know that he
did he play in the NBA.

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I don't think so. I think
he might have gotten a sniff early.

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But then so when you look at
when you look at and I was not

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a huge Kobe Bryant fan when when
he was playing basketball, because I didn't,

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you know, social media wasn't around. You didn't get to see all

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these clips about him and all these
things he did, and when he was

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playing, well, the only thing
I remember he's playing was his incident,

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right, sure? Yeah, because
you were you heard that stuff because it

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made headline news. And Kobe was
also I think seeing his standoffish, seeing

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as and instead of focused, and
I think like the Dream Team, the

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Second Dream Team or Dream Team too
or whatever they did, it was him

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that changed the whole thinking of the
guys because I thought it was like Lebron

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and stuff. They were just coming
in right from a night out in Europe

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and then here comes Kobe and they're
like, where are you going? He

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goes, I'm going to the gym. And as they were coming in,

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he was going is going to work
out like four or five in the morning.

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Yeah, And that sort of trickled
down was like, oh shit,

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I should do that and it is
once in a while. And there was

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no like, hey man, you
guys are out partying. No, nothing

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said. Just that example and that
drive to win. And I can tell

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you of all the people I know
that have met professional success, whether it's

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sports, whether it's business, whatever
it is, they all have one thing

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in common is their work ethic.
You know, a good friend of mine,

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here's a business mentor and investing mentor, mind Rick abb I don't know

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anybody that works harder than him.
I mean, he's He's had a forty

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plus year business career and he still
works twelve fourteen hours a day. Now,

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if you want to talk about work
life balance, I can't say that

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people that are successful have a good
work life ban It's so funny. On

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I have several questions that I was
going to ask you, so I just

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jotted down notes because I wanted it
to be a free form conversation, and

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I did write down is there such
a thing as work life balance? Because

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I don't know that there is if
And yet I think you do a very

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good job, Greg with from what
I've seen. I really do. If

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you ask my if you ask my
former wife, she would say, that's

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probably my biggest struggle work life and
mine too. Always mine it, you

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know, for me in terms of
prioritizing is you know it's always family for

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me, Yes, But when I
say that, it's you know, work

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is what drives me. Work is
where I and that's one of the things

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I enjoy because I can see results. I can, I can see impact,

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I can, I can give back, I can. You know,

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it's a it's a rush, It's
an adrenaline rush for me. The competitiveness

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Now, when the kids had sports, the kids had games, the kids

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had stuff at school. I would
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I was right back to work.
So I would coach, you know,

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I would. I would. They'd
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and I would coach every sport.
Anything I could get involved with the

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kids, I did it. So
it'd be practice, and sometimes I coached

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Will's basketball team and Luke's basketball team. I'd have practice from six to nine

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at night. Well, we get
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at night, he'd go to bed. I'd be right back at the computer.

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I'd be working till twelve one o'clock
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balance of some of the other relationship
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those suffered. I don't think I
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do on some of those parts of
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my mom or my sister and my
brothers. I probably when we're together we

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spend the time. But it wasn't
as always deliberate early in my career as

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it probably should have been, or
that others who don't necessarily have that goal

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or drive in terms of their business
or their profession to commit to it,

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but you have to The separation for
anybody in the professional goals you have is

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what are you willing to put in? There's a sacrifice. Anybody that owns

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a private plane, anybody that has
that high level professional success. I can

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tell you that there's a there is
a sacrifice and a trade off for it.

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And sometimes it's sometimes it's you know, the work life balance isn't there,

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and you overcompensate by doing some of
those things. And sometimes it's it's

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a sense of loneliness because you don't
have people that you can trust that are

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around you because you haven't invested in
the relationships to trust people. Yeah,

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I know that. Even for myself, it was always a drive to win,

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right, And I knew, I'll
just I guess I can just say

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it in radio. You knew there
were guys that were just gonna win because

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they showed up. Right, Brother
Wee's was always going to be a huge

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personality, unique talent, really unique, That's what made him great. Had

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a different way of speaking, spoke
to the common man pretty well, right,

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had a cool look, was different
and also smart, intelligent guy.

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So I knew, like when there
was that shift. I'm like, I

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gotta I'm not I have to work, I have to do I can't be

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as good as I got to be. I got to make this significantly better

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than And it was that kind of
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know, because of the way the
science behind the ratings and stuff, there

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would be confusion. So I just
poured all in. But I mean there

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were times I would work till to
go to bed, get back up at

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four or five, and go to
work. And I don't know that that

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was a smart thing or not.
I you know, and I try now,

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like you know, the word is
grind. You know, it would

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always be a you know, grind
rinch repeat grind rent, and I go,

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can we change that word to I
get to you know, because even

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you know, I'm here last night
and the studios are really late or early

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this morning, and I go,
but I get to do this and I

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love it. Yeah, And that's
okay. Well, And that's one of

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the biggest differences that I learned when
you know, we started the own business,

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is that, you know, the
one if you're going to invest in

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something, invest in yourself. Yeah, And the investment in yourself will always

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pay off and even if you start
a business in the business fails, you

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learn so much from what you're doing
to either redirect or or realize, you

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know what, maybe me owning a
business isn't for me, and I should

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focus on being a support person or
doing a different thing, which then allows

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you to have balance in other parts
of your life that you don't necessarily have

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when you're the business owner. But
you know, a very wise man said

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to me when I was younger,
you know, when I was in my

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twenties. He says, when you
have an opportunity to always invest in yourself.

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Yeah, well that's funny, because
I would always say to even my

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my sons, I would Now I'll
say to them, you know, you're

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going to get a career at some
point, but work on yourself because if

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you, no matter what it is, make yourself roughly, you know,

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take those edges and smooth them out
a little bit, learn things about your

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personality, keep yourself in shape,
eat well, work on yourself because all

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that then translates to whomever you're working
for or whatever you're doing. It just

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makes you better and better to be
around and a better employee, and you

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can think clear. And I think
that's like the biggest investment you can make.

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And for me any the advice I
would give to anybody that's in that,

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you know from Luke's age sixteen,
seventeen to thirty is find someone who

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you trust that will be honest with
you. Yeah, because everybody thinks that

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they're funny. Everybody thinks that they're
the life of the party, and that

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they're smart, and they, you
know, are a great people person and

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all these things. But you know, sometimes you're offensive and you don't appreciate

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it. We were just talking about
somebody off the air. We know that

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thinks he's hilarious and he, yes, you know, is offensive at times,

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and you know, having a self
awareness, but sometimes self awareness as

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you grow and mature. From eighteen
to twenty five and thirty, that's when

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I became more self aware and Jenny
helped me learn that. And being around

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people and learning their personalities and how
they were successful or didn't quite meet the

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success that they wanted or thought they
were having helped me become more appreciative of

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myself and the people around me.
And those lessons in my mid twenties were

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priceless, absolutely priceless. What do
you do when you don't feel like it.

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When you don't feel like let's say, working out, or you don't

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feel like taking on this whatever it
is today, or you don't feel like

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meeting with this perspective investment, And
what do you do when you don't feel

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like it? So two answers.
If I have a time, if I

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have if the reason I don't want
to do it or can't do is because

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I have a time commitment, I
have someplace else I have to be or

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do, then I go to whatever
that commitment is. If it's if it's

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a Saturday, or I have nothing
on my schedule for the rest of the

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day and that comes up, I
do it. You do it. I

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do it because to me, just
doing it gets you one step close for

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whatever your goal is. And for
me, you know, the discipline to

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do things and the drive to do
it get you there. But I know

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a lot of people are really smart
and people who are driven. Some of

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the difference between those who are ultimately
successful and those that are close but not

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quick there is actually taking the step
to do it. Just one quick story

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I was. I was at Alfred
University senior year, was in political science

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and business classic with a couple of
my buddies. All of them were super

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smart. Three nines. I was
like three four. I thought I was

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doing pretty well. And at the
end of the senior year, they're all

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like, hey, what are you
doing? Where are you going next year?

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You know you got a job.
I'm like, I'm going to law

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school. And I'm like you you
we thought you're gonna be a high school

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football coach. And I'm like,
well, yeah, no, I'm going

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to law school. And they're like, how did you get into law school?

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And I said I applied yeah,
And I was like, well,

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how about you guys. We're like, yeah, I'm going back to Long

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Island, I'm going to Philly.
I'm going back to my dad's company.

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I'm like, I thought you guys
are going to law school, Like yeah,

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no, I go why don't you
go? And they go, well,

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we didn't feel our applications, and
I was like, oh. That

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was the first time in my life
I was like the difference between me and

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them because they were smarter than I
were than I was. They had a

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much different upbringing, they had much
more opportunity than I had in terms of

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finances and access to people. What
separated me from them at that point in

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time was I did something they didn't
do, and I was like, holy

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shit. It's all about actually putting
your mind to it and then following through.

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And from that point forward, I
was always like a I'm going to

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say I'm gonna do something, I
consciously made sure I did it. One

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is because people are going to rely
upon you, and then if you don't

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do it, you then become you
develop a pattern, or you develop a

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reputation of not following through, which
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you don't have that character or integrity
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But it also differentiated me and I
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other people didn't, just merely because
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So working out, you know,
yeah, I do stuff with the

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boys, and I got stuff I
need to get done. I could put

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it off for tomorrow, but it's
like, you know, if I have

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time tonight, I'm going to get
it done. So you yeah, any

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instead of sitting down and binging a
Netflix show, Yeah, yeah, I

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get it done. And I have
binged in the past, and I have

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felt awful about myself awful. I
go what did I do. I watched

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for four hours. This is the
sad that I felt. I felt like,

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honestly like I can't. I don't
know if it's dirty or just loser,

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Like I'm like, oh my god. So it was depressed. So

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at this stage of my career,
in my life, I've come to learn

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that I should have done more of
that at times with the people that I

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care about. Yes, because what
I've learned about myself is that in relationships,

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you know, me being in the
same room as my kids, I'm

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okay with. I don't need to
have sit at the kitchen table and talk

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about philosophy of life and you know, what are your goals in life when

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they're seventeen, eighteen, and twenty
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a bit at times, and I
remember I didn't like that. So for

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me, just being in the same
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as in different stages of life,
people want different things from you, and

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sometimes you know, sitting with my
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talking around dessert is more meaningful for
her in many regards that I took the

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time to do that, which as
a parent, I know now with my

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kids I love. So I didn't
do that as much at that at certain

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times in my life where I probably
should have, I would have meant more

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to her and and ultimately more fulfilling
for me. And so you know,

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when I have the time with the
boys now, I try to actually,

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you know, put the phones away
and we do some traveling, and that's

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because it's just us and now they're
locked in with me. So binging in

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those things, you know, if
it's with somebody and it's and you're you're

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the programming itself isn't always necessarily Yes, it's the goal. It's the it's

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the experience that you're sharing or the
time you're sharing. Right, So,

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with all that stuff and all all
that you do, and and the kids

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and trying to balance everything, how
do you get away from it all?

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Do you get away from it all? Is it? Is it possible?

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Can you kind of turn it off? You know what I mean, like

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kind of turn off your head?
Right? So I would say yes,

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yes, but my actions and my
past say no, you know, it's

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it's it's like I've been to Hawaii
once and I went for the NFL All

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Star Game. Okay, all right, right, that's that's so incredible trip.

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It was a great trip, but
it was based on something that you

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know, was had work relatedness to
it. Yes, and so you know

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it's like, oh, here you're
doing these great things. Let's go you

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know, went on a trip to
Greece and it's like, okay, hey,

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let's go to Greece. Well,
we went with one of our marketing

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partners. So it was work related. So it's like, you know,

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I like to think that I do
take time off. I do take a

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break, but when I'm gone,
I'm thinking about it. Yeah. You

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know, when you you took a
trip this year to Europe with your sons

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this summer, do do you do
any work while there? I mean,

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and I don't. I'm not even
because here's my thing, Greg, I'm

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going to go away this week and
that's where we're taping this today and we'll

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run early next week. And I'm
thinking of I just mean at least two

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hours a day. They don't have
to be consecutive hours, or I can

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sit down and go through stuff because
I have to do that every day.

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And there's something about that that is
almost comforting. Yeah, And I don't

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know why that is. It's insanity, I would say. Early in my

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career I did the same thing.
Yeah, and I really couldn't get away

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from the office. I always had
a tether, and part of it was

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I felt responsible for everybody that was
there, and I wanted to make sure

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the little things were done. And
unfortunately I have a bit of a control

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personality where sometimes relying upon someone isn't
quite me doing it, or did they

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do it the way that I would
expect or I'd want it to be done.

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Our trip to Europe was interesting in
that, you know, you're six

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hours ahead, and so we would
get up in the morning at you know,

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eight o'clock and two o'clock back here
in Rochester. By the time we

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get done with dinner at six,
it's noon. And so for me it

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was we were having just interacting and
having so much fun and activities together that

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we wouldn't get back to the room
until nine ten o'clock Europe time, which

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is four o'clock here, and then
I'm calling and sometimes the office was closed

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and there's nobody there after five o'clock, so it was like, oh,

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geez, I missed today, and
then I'm on the computer check in my

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email, checking the you know,
what's any messages and stuff. So I

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still did do that, Yeah,
and it it It made me more relax

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knowing that you know, there wasn't
a fire or something didn't blow up that

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all of a sudden I didn't.
I didn't have some ability to make sure

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that in my mind everything was okay. And I need to have some of

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that comfort to know if things are
okay for me to be able to relax.

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Yeah, do you get like,
do you have an opportunity to actually

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sleep? Because I know there are
times you're work until early in the morning,

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and then do you try to I
mean, is that something that let's

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go back to the word sacred,
But is there anything that's almost like this

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has to happen? And I know
working out is a daily thing for you,

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it is, Yeah, So is
there do you do the same thing

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with sleep or is that more like
me where it's like if I get it,

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I get it, if I don't
look like shit. Well, you

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know, for me, as I
have gotten more experience and older in life,

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if I don't get a bare minimum
amount of sleep, then my ability

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to my ability to actually decision make
like I want to be able to in

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terms of capacity becomes impaired, meaning
that I make some of the decisions I

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make are are are not as good
when I'm tired. If I don't get

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if I don't get six hours of
sleep, I get less than six hours

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of sleep, which unfortunately I do
a couple of times a week with everything

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I have going on the next day. My decision making is always good,

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which is great having partners like you
know, Chris and Tomas, because they're

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like, I come in to talk
to me, like, whoa, you

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know, let's let's this is take
a different perspective on this. So but

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yeah, for me, sleep is
important, but it's it's it's it's not

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something that I overly focus on.
Here the entire conversation with Greg Connors in

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episode one ninety three, call it
Greg Connor's Keys to Success. When we

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come back Arman Shawbrook. But first, Cobblestone on Maine. Right now,

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Don't get when you get stabbed,
but get done. The Rolling Stone I'm

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slip by the Sword from Hackney Diamonds. I think that could be the theme

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song for the Great House of Guitars. I'm Gonna treat you rights. That's

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really when Armin Shawbrook, the owner
or one of the co founders, I

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should say, along with his brothers
of the House of Guitars do that separates

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them from others? They treat your
rights. In episode two oh five,

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I sat down with Arman Schaubrock and
had a fascinating conversation about his life and

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how the Great House of Guitars have
speak internationally known. You can hear the

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entire conversation again in episode two oh
five. But I did ask Arman,

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what is that one thing that separates
the Great House of Guitars from other guitar

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shops? Here's armand Shawbrook. I
don't know where we attitude, Like we

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ended up with morals self morals,
you know what I mean. Like if

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I really found a wallet on the
ground, it was no longer that kid

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from at seventeen, I would try
to find out whose it was, and

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I wouldn't want to take it,
you know what I mean. So you

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think, like just good business practices, Yeah, and being fair all the

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time. We were the first to
discount instruments too, because we had low

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upkeep in our early days and they
wouldn't go down a diying back then the

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other music stores. Yeah, and
we would cut it, you know,

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Oh, I could cut it in
half. I could cut it forty percent

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stomach fifty bucks. This is funny
to me, but it almost feels like

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your upbringing kind of where you didn't
have a lot. Yeah, and then

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I mean the house of guitars now
right, you can find anywhere on the

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internet with the annual income or whatever
it is. But I think you've always

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kept that mentality of I don't need
a lot, I don't need and that

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helped you kind of help the customer. We were actually happy, my brother

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Bruce and my brother Blaine at times
he'd be working at the store, but

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we were actually happy when we were
struggling in the early days, when we

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were sleeping in stores and and h
that's fun. And you know, and

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if we sold the guitar, we
would we wouldn't spend that money. If

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I gave a couple lessons, I'd
take maybe friends that are hanging out helping,

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I take them across the street and
buy him a cup of coffee and

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a hamburger. We were spoiling ourselves, right, but only music, lesson

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money. Never u something that came
out of a sale. You know,

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all that went right back, right
back, kept building more and more product.

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So this I mean slowly over the
years when do you think it really

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took off? Was it the eighties
the nineties? Was it those TV commercials

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you did when your eyes were blown
and you're hopping around with the money ears

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and oh by then we were exploding. Yeah, you were exploding me.

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Those ads are iconic, and what
I love about it is, and this

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is the one thing I think for
everybody that's so important is authenticity. Yeah.

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You are who you are. You
didn't never try to fit into anybody

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else's mold. You were always just
our Yeah. I haven an odd sense

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of humor, Yeah, you know
what I mean. But you know,

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we like people. We love our
customers. Yeah, a lot of them

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are actually friends. They've been shopping
here for almost sixty years, you know.

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Yeah, so you know it's waiting
on a buddy, you know.

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But then you've gotten I mean to
the point where I mean that wall back

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there has you know, all the
autograd autographs that people would be, you

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know, just love to have themselves, you know, Stephen Tyler signing the

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wall. You know. Ozzie was
a big thing in here. Yeah,

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he did three in stores once with
Randy Rhodes and he came back with Mottley

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Crue and we had Mottley Crue and
Ozzie at the same time. Ozzie's sitting

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here and Mottley Cruez in the Beck
for the Beck autograph. All this,

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you had the place out of the
and then is Azzi's drumming. Carmen Peace

408
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:56,720
was upstairs teaching a master drum class, and police had barricades around all our

409
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,799
buildings. And I'm sure, yeah, how did so how did these connections

410
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,960
happen? Though? Like these guys
walk in like they walk into a lot

411
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400
of stores, I'm sure, yeah, but they keep coming back here.

412
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Well, they were doing official in
stores where they agreed to audit, okay,

413
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,880
and they pose with pictures with the
fans if they want to. Yeah.

414
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,680
But I remember at one point in
my radio career, I was around

415
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,039
the country station in town. I
wasn't on that, but we were in

416
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:29,000
the same building in Ryl Croquet Buy
and she shopped here, but she came

417
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,519
to shop here. She wasn't doing
an in store. And that's what I'm

418
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:34,599
saying is like the reputation of what
the guitars were, that it's got this

419
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,559
iconic everything about it is so authentic
you're not going to find it anywhere else.

420
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
In her case, she was after
kind of a rare guitar. It

421
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:47,960
wasn't old, but it was limited. It was a buck going signature metal

422
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,240
fender, okay, and she couldn't
find it anywhere in the country and we

423
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,240
had one, so she come charging
it. So she came in. But

424
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,720
she's very brilliant. She's pointing to
all the guitars, the vintage ones.

425
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,720
Yeah, that's a fifty nine,
that's a sixty two, Like do it

426
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,000
you know, really better than most
of them. We got to look it

427
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,519
up in the book. Well we're
pretty good at it. Yeah, But

428
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,880
I mean, but she knew her
stuff. She knew her stuff. That's

429
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,519
impressive. Is there anybody that you
you met along the way that sort of

430
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,400
uh disappointed you that you were you
thought, maybe I'm a little disappointed.

431
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,039
I know, you're huge by the
way, Bob Dylan fan. Have you

432
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:30,200
ever had Bob ever come to the
store, Not that we know of,

433
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,440
because a lot of times he travels
in an incognito. Yeah. Now,

434
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,160
I grew up down near Woodstock,
so as a kid, I used to

435
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,079
I mean it was like I would
hear stories of Dylan all the time,

436
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,000
and he wasn't there when I was
growing up, but he had been there

437
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,480
and the band was still there Levon
Helman all and I always got like as

438
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,880
a child, I was going here
we go with another Bob Dylan story for

439
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,359
people that I always but the music
was great. He was a great story

440
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,039
or is a great story writer?
Yeah, I mean, is your favorite

441
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,519
He's one of my favorites. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, in terms of

442
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,759
I look up to him as a
great writer. Yeah. And I got

443
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:15,400
to getting to like him. It
takes a little while because he sounded a

444
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,400
little bit like a hillbilly in the
beginning. I mean, you know,

445
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:23,240
not a not a pretty voice.
But but his voice is effective, even

446
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,480
though we don't sing really well,
but it's very effective. So his words

447
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,559
stand out when he does them,
you know. But so many people were

448
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:37,119
having like top ten hits off.
I'm like Peter Paul and Mary Exploded,

449
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,240
was blowing in the wind, and
then you know the birds with tambourine man

450
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,759
and right, you know one one
after Henrix with all along the Watchtower.

451
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:53,279
They're all Dylan written songs, you
know. And a guy in Rochester.

452
00:31:53,519 --> 00:32:00,799
This might be interesting. Spider John
Kerner lived in a Rendequoit on Harvington drive.

453
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:05,720
But he was on Electra in the
early days, kind of right before

454
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:09,799
Dylan, and he was in the
Minnesota scene, and he was helping teach

455
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,720
Bob things and the guitar re or
Bob hit New York. Wow. But

456
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:20,720
when Bob hit New York, he
was crashing at everybody's apartments, you know.

457
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,279
I mean he was struggling and very
close to the streets. He was.

458
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,480
You know, he's playing in place
as well. Maybe this club will

459
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,559
feed me and let me sleep in
the back, you know, you know

460
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920
that kind of thing. I mean, he didn't. He didn't make it

461
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,359
with a instantly either. No.
No, And I'm hearing you talk about

462
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Dylan, but I'm thinking of yourself
too, did you you never you said

463
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,119
you always knew you'd be successful with
this. We thought we would be here,

464
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,319
yeah, but did you think he'd
be here? We didn't know how

465
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,160
big it would go, but we
had a lot of confidence. Yeah.

466
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,680
You just can't think otherwise, Yes, outside of here, because you seem

467
00:32:55,759 --> 00:33:01,640
to have a lot of artistic talent. Think you do you do? There's

468
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,240
other things. There's painting, yes, correct, you do artwork and still

469
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,920
do art shows from time to time. Yeah, I did one in Brooklyn.

470
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:19,119
I think it was what three years
ago, five years ago, I

471
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,599
have no concept at time at a
good major gallery. And we showed up

472
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,279
for the the opening, like for
three days we were there, but we

473
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,799
sold enough house of guitar shirts and
everything to cover our trip, hotel and

474
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:38,599
everything and wow, but we got
a lot of press on it. We

475
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:45,000
played telephone in the morning the day
before like leaving, and we used to

476
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,240
get people on the phone, but
now we just leave messages. My name

477
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,720
is Arman Shawbrook I'm an Exica and
bah bah bah I got paintings in prison.

478
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,880
And I'll also be there with a
Rikers Island guard who does photography and

479
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,480
we're having a show at you know. And that got them out. Yeah,

480
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:07,719
yeah, sure are coming and yeah
this is great coverage. Someone told

481
00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:13,320
me, well, I'll ask this
first. Uh, certainly, when you

482
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,760
get to the level that you get, there are going to be rumors about

483
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,239
different things store or yourself. Yes, what is the weirdest rumor you ever

484
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,159
heard about yourself? Oh? I
don't know so many of them really?

485
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,800
Yeah, yeah, I mean just
things that you would look at people and

486
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,159
go where did that come from?
I know, yeah, I would think

487
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,840
that it has to be. Did
it bother you because you seem to be

488
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,960
a little bit more of a private
person. Yeah, I'm quiet, yeah,

489
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:43,840
naturally, but I'm not shy though, But I know I am quiet,

490
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,320
but uh, I don't know,
I don't know. Sometimes they come

491
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,360
up with something and they say they
were with me. Yeah, yeah,

492
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,639
when did we do this? You
have more friends than you knew, right,

493
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,599
I mean, yeah, the theories
go wild. Yeah, that's got

494
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:07,800
to be. But I did hear
probably scared the town some. Well,

495
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:13,840
where we're sitting was a grange hall, correct, Yeah, the farmers all

496
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,800
built the grangehall together, right,
And then they used to sell their vegetables

497
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,000
out front and trucks back when we
had subway tracks there and then that tita

498
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:29,039
is okay, but they'd sell sell
their vegetables out of the truck and inside

499
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,159
here where we're sitting now, they
used to have square dancing yea, and

500
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:36,360
different performers perform. Well. I
grew up in a small town downstate.

501
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960
We had a grange hall, right. There were usually small towns that had

502
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,960
that and a lot of farming and
agricultural more or less. And then there

503
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:51,039
was and then the trying to think
of what Oh, the Masons used to

504
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,280
have meetings on the second floor.
Okay, yeah, and I'm not sure

505
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,000
what all that it's about, and
it's kind of secret secret, but they

506
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,360
got little they had little platforms and
we came in and we heard they sit

507
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,519
on chairs with goat legs and all
these and something to do with the winds,

508
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:14,039
the four winds and yeah whatever.
So did you ever find anything left

509
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,400
over when you moved in here.
It's just like a lot of cabinets that

510
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,639
had the g in it. Yeah. And then those four platforms were there

511
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:27,360
still in place on the second floor. But a lot of presidents were Masons.

512
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Yeah, I mean, it's that
yeah, but they just looked out

513
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:36,119
for themselves kind of. And then
someone from the Grange from years ago kept

514
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,920
an insurance policy and house of guitars
at old eighteen under rates you know what

515
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,800
I mean. Oh really, And
it wasn't a big one. It wasn't

516
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,000
enough to cover all our insurance,
but they wanted to be part of it

517
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:52,440
though. It kept this policy going
for quite a few years. That's funny.

518
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,880
Insane rates. Yeah, I mean
twenty dollars a year. You know,

519
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,199
man, you're not gonna get that
anywhere, know, I was told

520
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,599
that you were friends with Andy Warhol. Yes, Uh, he was interested.

521
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:13,199
I did a like how does that
come about? I could see where

522
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,000
the two of you probably can,
you know? Yeah, I got to

523
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:22,599
see way very well. Sure,
but he's kind of like the underground Master

524
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,920
or something. Yeah, and he's
used to dealing with unknowns rather than famous

525
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:36,400
people. So I recorded a play
by the rock opera where we do a

526
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,480
little acting and it leads to a
song and then we play it and then

527
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,760
we go on to our next scene. And I kept going for three records.

528
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,039
And at first, you know,
he was going to be an Andy

529
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:54,119
warhow presents and so he heard he
heard your rock opera? How did you

530
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,119
well? I sent it to him. I sent it to him. This

531
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:01,320
is kind of funny because I,
I, uh called the Rondo Library and

532
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:07,079
Who's who? And he had him
look up his address and his phone number

533
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:12,159
and everything was in there. It
was modern day Google, right. I

534
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,159
called him on the bhone, but
it was at his house. He lived

535
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,280
with his mother, he did,
He lived with his mother, and uh,

536
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,800
and you called right to his house, right to his house, and

537
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,280
his mother's going and he and you
get one of your friends are in the

538
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,199
phone and I got there and I
said, well, my name is Armand

539
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,360
Shawbrook. I got in trouble as
a kid, as a youthful of fender.

540
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,400
I'm not a convicted fella. I
got a youthful fender status. Uh.

541
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,239
They offered us a y oh they
call it. And you can plead

542
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,920
guilty to leading like a bad life. You're not pleading guilty did the crime,

543
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,000
then you don't have a record.
I'm not a convicted fella. Good,

544
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:52,480
Yeah, you let me get me. It sounds the whole way out.

545
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,840
It's just such a technicalities. It's
so silly. Yeah, it's a

546
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,000
plead deal. They didn't catch us
at the scene and offered us a plea

547
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,639
deal. But then they gave us
the worst they could give us. Kind

548
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:07,159
of Yeah, so you tell him
this, yeah, And I got this

549
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,360
tape and then and then I sent
out to him and he started going wild

550
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,480
and started calling our little store down
the street here the back in the early

551
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,119
the middle sixties, and he said, please come to New York right away.

552
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,400
And you know, then we went
to New York and he's talking to

553
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:29,039
play and everything, and he wanted
us to sign up on an off Broadway

554
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,400
thing for where we would work seven
days a week for over a year.

555
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,719
But the only thing is every it
was just Bruce and me pretty much and

556
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:47,519
one employee, Bob Huber back then, and they were all in all in

557
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:52,360
the play, so we couldn't We
didn't want to close house with guitarist because

558
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,320
that's our broad basket and the baby. So he wants you to come to

559
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,199
New York and do this. Yeah, she needs the guys here to keep

560
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,000
running it. Right, there's no
one left to be Bruce and just one

561
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:07,480
other person. You know, our
business was you. So he uh I

562
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:13,119
kept trying to talk him into a
movie. It's backwards because usually you do

563
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,480
a play, then you send you
sell movie rights and he sells soundtrack rights,

564
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:21,320
and you know, it goes like
that. That's the best way to

565
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:28,519
get the most out of it.
But I uh I was trying to switch

566
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,679
him. After a while, he
started humoring, and finally he said,

567
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,440
I got a prison we could shoot
it and you know, and it sounded

568
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,719
good because I could go there for
a period of time and come back,

569
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:45,239
you know, But all of a
sudden, uh oh. He even said,

570
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,800
I knew John Hammond from Colombia and
he had a lot of interest to

571
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:55,440
in it. He he he's the
guy that signed Bob Dylan and uh Springsteen

572
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:04,159
and Stevie ray Vaughn and somehow I
had something to do with signing Billie Hollidays.

573
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,679
He signed Robert Johnson's son some house, you know. And so this

574
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:15,000
guy's interested now in your rock opera
as well. Yeah, And I said,

575
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:20,159
Andy wants you to pay for the
whole play for soundtrack. Right that

576
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,679
he started stuttering. I said,
should I tell Andy know then? And

577
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,000
then he's a real nice guy.
I mean, I don't mean to disrespect

578
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,840
him, he's a real nice guy. And he said, well, tell

579
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,119
mister worhow when it's ready, we'll
come and see it. So it ended

580
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:39,639
like that. But then the girl
came in and shot him and he almost

581
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,360
died. He was in the hospital
for over a year and it was hit

582
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,440
fifty to fifty whether he'd live or
die, you know. And yeah,

583
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,519
the girl also shot a Paris art
dealer in the arm, you know.

584
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,280
And I knew Andy kind of helped
her get a publishing deal, but she

585
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:05,719
hated man and her Men Manifesto or
whatever you know, men manifesto, but

586
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,320
she wow, see those sell of
them wrongly? Went her a little bit.

587
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,119
Sandy has helped there. Yeah,
yeah, I don't think he was

588
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,800
even taking a cut. I think
he just helped her and she charged in

589
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,159
and shot him plane blank in the
chest three times and a Paris art dealer

590
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:25,519
in the arm. And Arman Shawbrook, what a wonderfully bizarre, incredible,

591
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,559
fascinating, interesting life he has led
so far. He is the co founder

592
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,239
of the Great House of Guitars here
in the great Rochester area. You can

593
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,079
hear more with Armin Shawbrook. Oh
and by the way, that is internationally

594
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:42,079
known the Great House of Guitars.
You can hear more with Armin Shawbrook in

595
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:47,039
episode two o five, appropriately titled
Arman Shawbrook Coming up. A guy named

596
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:52,239
Dan Vinton who happened to be sitting
on a plane flying home, but it

597
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,440
made an emergency landing in the Hutcheon
and we have come to know that plane

598
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,239
and the pilot Sully as miracle on
the h Hudson. Dan Vinten talks about

599
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,400
being on that plane and how things
unfolded and how he remains close with some

600
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,320
of those passengers to this day.
That's next, But first at Circum and

601
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602
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603
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609
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I need to wake you want to
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640
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Survey morn. The taxi's waiting.
He's blown this morn already. I'm

641
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642
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that you wait for me, Hold
me like you'll never let me go.

643
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Flyin on a jet plane, don't
know that I'll be back again. John

644
00:46:52,719 --> 00:47:00,880
Denver and Mama Cass Dude leaving on
the jet plane. Denver was on a

645
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,960
jet plane that was headed home for
him. He actually had wrapped up his

646
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,880
work early and there's meetings, and
figured why wait around in cold New York

647
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,159
City in January when I get back
to the Carolinas where it's a little bit

648
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:19,679
warmer. He was on the Miracle
on the Hudson flight that pilot Sully successfully

649
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,639
landed emergency style in the Hudson.
We've seen the movie and all that.

650
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,880
Dan Vinton is a Hilton High School
graduate. He was in town earlier this

651
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,320
year for his Hilton High School reunion
and he was doing a little speaking and

652
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,400
it's a very interesting story. Here
is Dan Vinton. I asked him,

653
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,960
I kind of opened up. Did
you see the movie? Here's Dan?

654
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:43,519
Yeah, Well I got to be
in the movie. Oh you did ask

655
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,039
you? Yeah. So it was
cool, as they Clint Eastwood when he

656
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,960
does his movies, he lets the
actual people be in the movie. So

657
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,559
at the end of the movie they
had a whole you know, a meeting

658
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:57,599
up with Selly and all the passengers
just to kind of get the real people

659
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,199
in play. So that was a
lot of fun. We had a great

660
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,280
time doing that. Wow, what
was that? Like? You said,

661
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,679
Dan, don't try to f this
up. Well it you know it,

662
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,800
it was pretty cool. I mean, you know, I didn't have to

663
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,360
be on this plane and I you
know, of course not no one did.

664
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,800
And at one point, I mean
when you said Brad's for impact,

665
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,880
it is one of those thoughts,
like, shit, I could have been

666
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,559
on a but that later flight.
Now I'm gonna die right, But ended

667
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,840
up being one of the coolest things
in my life. Honestly, I've done

668
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,920
some really great things, so I'm
going to take advantage of that. And

669
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,239
so when they were gonna did the
movie, and the plane is actually in

670
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,880
Charlotte, so they had a fake
reunion, which to us it was even

671
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,960
though it was, you know,
a tape, we're still hugging each other

672
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,199
because we still want to, you
know, It's like, it's not like

673
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:38,880
you know. So it was a
lot of fun to do. Clint Eastwood

674
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,719
just does three takes and we all
come running in and we're hugging and it's

675
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,719
just kind of what it is.
And then we did a few other extra

676
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,519
things in front of the camera,
and then they showed what they wanted to

677
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:51,559
show on the movie. Okay,
and did you get to meet Clint at

678
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,760
all? I had dinner with Clint
Eastwood. You had dinner with Cleon Eastwood.

679
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,920
Now, I was a huge Clin
Eastwood fan, and I had to

680
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,320
take an acting class in college.
I had to read a paper about somebody,

681
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,599
and I wrote it about Clint.
And Clint at the time wasn't the

682
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:09,639
Clint that he is today. I
mean we're talking early nineties, mostly in

683
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:13,360
front of the camera, not so
much behind the camera. Right. And

684
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,119
then there's even movies I've loved,
like everything. I even loved Bridges of

685
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:21,119
Madison County, Yeah, which I
mean, is is a story, is

686
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:22,679
such a love story. But man, it's you. I mean at the

687
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,760
end, you just feel it.
And he directed that right, and then

688
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,039
did this. And I even loved
Trouble with the Curve, which I thought

689
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,159
was a little hokey, but it
was, you know, and then any

690
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,880
any other I have a Grand Tarino. I mean you just think of that,

691
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,719
and I yeah, all this stuff
and iconic when it comes to American

692
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,199
pop culture for sure. Yeah.
I well, you know again, I

693
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,400
was blessed where it really. We
just it was just like a regular see

694
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,079
them barbecue, right, you just
stand in line, grab your food and

695
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,719
sit down. After we did some
you know, makeup and wardrobe, which

696
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,320
was really nothing. And then we're
going to do the shoot. But they

697
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,599
fed us, which is really nice. And but I'm thinking, O,

698
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,320
Clint's going to be in the back
off, you know whatever, eating whatever

699
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,079
his dinner away from all this.
Nope, he was in line and getting

700
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,079
his barbecue and he's looking at place
for to sit. And I just happened

701
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,480
to be right across from me,
and he sat right across from me,

702
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,880
and he was with the governor of
North Carolina at the time. Politic conversation

703
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,159
was very interesting, but I'm sure
it was. I'm sure it was.

704
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,599
Did he start talking to a chair
and all right? Yeah, like he

705
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:29,360
did at the Republican But he's a
interesting guy. Ninety three now is a

706
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,320
ninety and he's still making movies.
He's working. He's on set right now

707
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,639
doing a movie. Yeah, what
is it? He said? Don't I

708
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:37,280
just don't let the old man in? Right? Yeah? Yeah, except

709
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,519
that I did see him. And
where did I see it? Ellen did

710
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:45,119
something where she went into his office. Yeah, and Clint stands up.

711
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,719
He puts out food. There's chipmunks
that come in or something, or squirrels,

712
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,559
and he leaves it out for them
to come up to his like into

713
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,639
his office and eat and then run
away. And he stands up and he's

714
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:59,039
got the old man pants. They're
up Valley button. Other than that,

715
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,639
there's really not much as an actor
in a motion picture. Are you on

716
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,599
strike right now? Me? No, nothing to do. You know,

717
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,159
it's interesting. I mean, you
know, again got to be a part

718
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:08,119
of the movie. They actually have
to pay us, right, yeah,

719
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,800
because it's all union and so I'm
like, of course I would have paid

720
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,760
to b in it, sure,
but it was just kind of you know,

721
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,039
and then we're waiting around for our
check or whatever, so it was

722
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,880
kind of it was they paid you
on the spot. Yeah, yeah,

723
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,480
yeah, So I mean they knew
it's just the one day's work. They

724
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,880
already already had our names written up
with checks. So yeah, it's kind

725
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,960
of funny. So take me back
to I mean, you're thinking you're going

726
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:30,320
to get home early, so this
has got to be great. And I'm

727
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,000
sure you've talked about this at nauseum
and sometimes I don't know, you know,

728
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,760
our memory can change some things along
the way, but uh, do

729
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,280
you remember like even just sitting back
and almost all right, I get home,

730
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,559
or maybe you know, that's usually
where your thoughts are. They're not

731
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,000
sort of in that moment, they're
in the when I land, I got

732
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:51,000
to X y Z, yeah exactly. So I mean I was like,

733
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:52,280
I again, I was lucky to
get one of the last seats on that

734
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,880
flight. I'm going to go home
and have dinner with my family, which

735
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,679
obviously did not happen, And but
I did get settled in for like about

736
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,519
a minute and a half. That's
about as long as as when we took

737
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,039
off until when the birds hit the
plane. And of course there was no

738
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,960
settling and that was the most violent, terrifying anything that I ever felt in

739
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,000
my entire life. So you could
actually feel the whole plane that rocked like

740
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,559
a bomb went off. I mean
it literally just shook the plane violently.

741
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:22,440
It was like to take your worst
turbulence if you've flown, and multiply by

742
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,159
a thousand. Wow. And you
know, and I knew this, I

743
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,719
mean I was hoping that's what it
was as turbulence, but you know,

744
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,480
you know better. And very shortly
you can smell the smoke. Somebody's on

745
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:34,480
the engines on fire and we're not
getting any word from the cockpit. Okay,

746
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:37,679
normally doesn't your pilot come on?
Yeah, no word, So for

747
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,199
a whole minute, that fear might
have been even more scary than when Selly

748
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,159
finally gives us some sort of you
know, direction, because we're just waiting

749
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:45,440
for the plane to blow up.
I mean, was that a bomb?

750
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,599
I mean it was at a missile. We're in New York. I mean,

751
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,840
isn't amazing how because if you could
go back and see how long that

752
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,280
time really was. And I don't
know if they even depict that in the

753
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,760
movie. I don't remember, yeah, if they if they did or not.

754
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,880
Do you know, do you remember
if they depicted that time from the

755
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,079
time he spoke, the birds hit
the engine and then he spoke. Yeah,

756
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,159
so the movie they did, I
mean the movie you know, of

757
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:10,679
course I'm watching in the Eye of
a Passenger. Yes, this movie isn't

758
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:15,400
about us, it's about Selly.
So so depicting how what they did with

759
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,760
us was pretty mild compared to what
we went through, because I'm thinking,

760
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:24,159
like that could have been forty five
seconds, right, but damn this that

761
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,920
feel like a long time, well
right, I mean it feels like a

762
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,159
long time. Yeah. So when
the NTSB interviewed me the next day,

763
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,199
and you know, I was still
in shock, and they know the answers.

764
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,000
I don't know why they even asked
me, But how long was that

765
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,920
flight, mister Vint And I'm like, oh, you know, twenty minutes,

766
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:42,159
right, you know, when was
the first responder come to you?

767
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,400
And I was like, that had
to have been at least fifteen minutes,

768
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,800
you know, I mean you're like
you said, you you know, things

769
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,079
slowed down, right, It's like
and your brain just takes in more.

770
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,119
It's kind of weird, Yeah,
what's going on because you're just you're just

771
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:58,280
this is just unique, I guess, right. So then so you think

772
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,119
you're I mean, your life's oh
yeah, I mean so we have some

773
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:07,079
hope, you know, with not
hearing nothing from the cockpit until about a

774
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,400
minute later when Captain Sully finally makes
his announcement, what's the what are the

775
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,400
other pats? Sometimes? I mean
we've seen I've been on planes where somebody

776
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,079
starts yelling like out of nowhere and
it scares the shit out of you.

777
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:22,800
But in a moment like this where
there was this rocky well, you don't

778
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,639
know if it's turbulence. Then you're
smelling smoke someone seeing the engines on fire.

779
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:30,360
Are people making noise and getting excited
and agitated or does everybody sort of

780
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,159
calm down and kind of go into
that almost that oh shit mode? Probably

781
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,639
the second, Yeah, I think
yeah. I mean I remember the woman

782
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,039
from you you could tear. She
was just shaking and you can hear the

783
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:42,679
sobbing, but she was trying to
keep it in, you know, And

784
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,519
I think all of us were just
trying to figure out what was going on

785
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,519
and trying to mentally be prepared for
whatever it is. There was a few

786
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,320
people just yelling, hey, what's
going on? You know, we want

787
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,800
some instruction, But for the most
of us, we were just like in

788
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,639
shock, waiting for Like I said, it is a plane just going to

789
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,159
blow up, and I'm gonna be
dead at this moment. Right, Uh

790
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,960
wow, that's so then uh he
says, brace for impact. Right,

791
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,800
You're in New York City, right, What was everythinking? Does that mean?

792
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:13,880
Does that mean we're about to hit
the building and we're all dead?

793
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,360
Yeah? I mean for most of
us, we did feel that was the

794
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,480
end. I mean, there's a
few passions that felt maybe a little bit

795
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,440
more optimistic, you know, or
they could even see that we're going to

796
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:23,840
land in the water. I couldn't
even see we're going to land in the

797
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,519
water. So brace for impact,
like you said, yeah, bracing in

798
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,400
you know nine to eleven you got
those Yeah, sure, thought absolutely,

799
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,519
we're not what are we eight years
past nine eleven at that point, right?

800
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,199
Yeah, exactly? So then he
you you land on the river?

801
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:43,400
What what's going on? Then?
Well, just the fact that I'm alive.

802
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:45,079
Yeah, I mean, it's that
moment because you you know, when

803
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,079
you're about to have that moment of
impact, that's when you just say to

804
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,719
yourself, you just shut off.
You know, I'm done. You know,

805
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,519
I'm not going to be here anymore. But you know, you're bracing,

806
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,360
you're getting ready for whatever it is. You're still doing your own instinctual

807
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,440
thing. But then we glided along
the Hudson River the way Selly had to

808
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,079
have the right degree angle for the
airplane, and then we came down in

809
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,840
and that's, you know, when
we stopped. That's the moment I you

810
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,559
know, I know, I mentioned, you know, I literally did the

811
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,079
pinch test. I'm like, you
know, and I'm trying trying to not

812
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,760
see if this is a dream.
I'm really dead. And I'm looking down

813
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,800
and everything was still there, and
then all of a sudden, the cockpit

814
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:27,880
door opens up and Selly yells evacuate. So was that orderly? So?

815
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,800
And I say that because all our
lives, you went to Hilton High School.

816
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,800
They had fire drills, they had
bomb scares. I'm sure all this

817
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,840
stuffe in general, it's not it's
not right but that. But in this

818
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,039
case you start to wonder, now, what are people thinking, Like all

819
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:46,239
of a sudden it becomes a I'm
out for myself. Well, but I

820
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,880
don't know. Yeah, one thing
we had going for us is we had

821
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,960
enough time because if we landed in
the fuselage broken half, now we've only

822
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,199
got seconds and so now it is
kind of you know, who can swim

823
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,440
to the open open you know,
in the fuselage. But we had enough

824
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,199
time to kind of get out.
And so for the most part, it

825
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,400
is pretty orderly. The only part
where it wasn't orderly was in the back

826
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,800
of the plane because the nearest exit
in the back was already submerged underwater.

827
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,840
But you're supposed to go to your
nearest exit, So that's what's in the

828
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,599
back in your mind. So that
my friends in the back were trying to

829
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,199
get out the back. They couldn't. Then they'd start to come up the

830
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:23,400
front, but there's still people coming
in the back, and there's a log

831
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,559
jam. In the meantime, when
the plane as great as Sully landed,

832
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,880
there was a big gash from Row
twenty in the back and water's coming up

833
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,760
in the back of the plane.
So I've talked to my friends back there

834
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,440
and they, you know, finally
they're going to go to the front of

835
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,719
the pane, but at that point
the water's almost up to their neck,

836
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,079
and they're like, shit, I
just survived a plane crash, and I'm

837
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,960
going to drown to death. And
I remember how cold is this water.

838
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,159
It's just below above freezing. It's
about thirty two degrees, So you don't

839
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,239
have much time. I mean,
hypothermia and other stuff will set in exactly.

840
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,639
So, even though I exited the
plane, I remember looking back and

841
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,880
seeing that scene and people are climbing
over the seats, and I'm thinking,

842
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,400
you know, I don't know if
I'm going to survive. I hope I

843
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,280
do, but there's no way.
So are you able in the time of

844
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,920
all this happening to get a text
or anything off to your wife saying,

845
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,519
hey, this is what's going on, or so I don't just one of

846
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:12,280
those things where I had a flip
phone back then, so so it you

847
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,760
know, just to turn it on
was a project. But there were a

848
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,880
few passengers to your point, we're
able to get message. Can you imagine

849
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,440
get a message from your loved one
saying, you know, my plane is

850
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,000
crashing, I love you? And
a few of them got out. One

851
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:27,760
passenger, I lean she was actually
talking to her husband all the way down

852
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,880
and he was stuck in a car
wash, and so she's given him a

853
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,159
play by play and then all of
a sudden, shut up. Yeah,

854
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,599
oh god, he's in the car
wash thinking my wife just died. Yeah

855
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:42,519
yeah, see, okay, this
is where my head goes. I'm the

856
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,800
guy that has said many years,
if like one of my loved ones dies

857
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,320
in the middle of the night,
let's hope that they're at that age right

858
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,159
right, not not something that's unnatural, not a young person. But and

859
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:57,800
it's the middle of the night.
Uh, And if I'm there, I'm

860
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,519
not calling my siblings until it's a
decent hour. They're still gonna be dead

861
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:06,360
and nothing there I'm thinking. If
I'm on this plane. I may with

862
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,920
all this chaos going on, I
may just navigate through and if I get

863
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,119
out, I'll call you and go, pooh boy, do I have a

864
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,280
store for you? You know what
I'm saying. I mean, And it

865
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,559
sounds like you didn't really have the
choice because of the flip phone situation.

866
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,079
Thank god, you know. Yeah, I'm kind of with you on that,

867
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:28,840
I really am, because you know, I'm a big believer in you

868
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,119
can't burn calories and things you can't
control, right, But you can't help

869
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:37,239
it when it's your husband and the
father of your children that's calling you and

870
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,679
saying my plane just crashed in the
Hudson. In the back of it's filling

871
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,239
up with water. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be absolutely out of your

872
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,320
mind. So I don't know.
I want to ask you a question though,

873
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,239
because you said friends in the back
of the plane. Where those friends

874
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,880
prior to this flight or friends after
this flight? After this? Yeah,

875
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,519
that's what I thought. We're very
close. I thought, Yeah, that's

876
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:02,159
interesting. I wanted to ask you
because think about all of us we've got

877
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,000
on a plane, and a lot
of us will get off the plane a

878
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:09,719
bit about the person we had next
to for the ninety minutes or three hours

879
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,440
or whatever it is on the plane. And yet an experience like this is

880
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,440
something that you nobody else can relate
to. But the people that went through

881
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,039
it with you exactly, well,
it's like you went to war with them,

882
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,840
and there's something special that really rarely
anybody in this world has ever experienced.

883
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,039
And we got to our small group
of people, so we have you

884
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:35,079
know, we're you know, we
have some people involved with aviation, you

885
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,519
know, reaching out to other loved
ones and family members or other planes where

886
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,840
maybe they weren't as successful or didn't
you know, like the Buffalo flight for

887
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,079
example, that was I was horrible
that it was shortly after our flight,

888
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:46,719
and so we as a group were
just trying to figure out what we can

889
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,400
do to console the family members and
in the day we felt like we shouldn't

890
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,199
do anything. Yeah, it was
really sad. But one note on that

891
01:00:53,320 --> 01:01:00,000
is Jeff Skiles, who's our co
pilot. He goes to Buffalo every single

892
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,519
of the year because they have a
memorial for all the family members in honor

893
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,679
for those and him and Sully you
have been fighting tooth and nail to get

894
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,159
you know, pilots to get the
right amount of training, because that was

895
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:14,320
pilot error. And if you think
and if they had selly that day,

896
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,840
they'd'll be you know, they'll be
alive. So this is a flood at

897
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,800
New York. I'm assuming this is
a direct to Charlotte. There's all these

898
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,639
people that you're friends with. Now, are they all are from the Charlotte

899
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,480
area for the most part or you
got people from connecting to other portions of

900
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,440
the country. Yeah, so it's
a mixed bag. About one hundred people

901
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,199
from Charlotte. It was a Thursday
afternoon flight, so it's a business flight.

902
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:34,679
A lot of people are going home
for the week, and so it

903
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,920
was about one hundred of us,
including myself, but there were some families

904
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,960
on there, and then of course
there was Charlotte's hub. So they're connecting

905
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,639
throughout the country. So I kind
of feel bad for them because when we

906
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,079
have gatherings in Charlotte, that's not
you know, they can't make it,

907
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,239
or some will try, but it's
a little bit more harder than just you

908
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,599
get my car and meeting up with
some of my friends. So after this

909
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,599
experience, how hard was it to
get back on a plane? Yeah,

910
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:02,159
I mean every thing outside of flying
was just freaking awesome. You know,

911
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,400
I can't explain it. It's just
every day got better and better. And

912
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,880
someone, you know, my passenger
friends, they they have PTSD. Okay,

913
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,360
so that would totally make sense.
Even you know, Selly claims to

914
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,039
have some, and so did Jeff. My wife's a nurse, so she

915
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:19,079
goes, once you get checked out, I'm like, well, let's let's

916
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:21,599
ride this thing and see how it
is. And every day just got better.

917
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:24,519
I just I can't explain it.
But except for flying. But back

918
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:29,719
then I flew a lot. Yeah, and so people asked me, when's

919
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,320
my first flight? And you could
have paid me a million dollars to fly

920
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,000
home that night. And it's funny
I mentioned my Joe Hart, a passenger.

921
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:38,519
He gets on the boat, picks
up his phone and calls us Sarah,

922
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,360
and he goes, hey, you
got a flight for me, you

923
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,159
know, And guy's got no nerve
ending right, and so you I said,

924
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:46,480
They're like, well, Joe,
we got a flight at seven thirty.

925
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,039
And he looks around in the boat. He's like, you know,

926
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,599
I don't think I'm gonna make the
seven thirty because you got a later one.

927
01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:53,360
And so he did, he went
out, He went out, he

928
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,280
went out later that night, and
so well, one of the odds of

929
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,320
it happening again. I'm kind of
with him. I get, well,

930
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,599
I get I mean, I think
we all handled it differently. And I

931
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,599
know pastors that have flown since since
that's what I was paid for a flight.

932
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:08,280
Since have you paid for a flight
since? Always? Yeah? Yeah,

933
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,760
I mean, yeah, that would
be cool. If we could get

934
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,920
stuff they should give you, like
lifetime. I mean, that's what I'm

935
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,599
saying. They should be lifetime.
But uh, you say things got better

936
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:24,119
and better. It is one of
those things where was it a clarifying moment

937
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:29,960
in terms of life? And I
say that in terms of you just appreciate

938
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:32,119
things more. Maybe you see this
as the gift that it's supposed to be

939
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:36,440
that, you know. I always
say, I think our general purpose is

940
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,480
to be happy and to do what
we love. Yeah, that's and we

941
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:43,519
all handled it differently. Sure we
have different stories. How you have some

942
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,719
of my passionate friends. One quit
his job and just travel the world,

943
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,000
you know, took off. Another
one quit her job and adopted a boy.

944
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,280
I mean, things that would have
never never done. My seat mate

945
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,800
went out and got his pilot's license. For God's sake. I don't blame

946
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,440
him, my family gonna. I'll
trust myself. Yeah, I mean,

947
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:01,639
I'm sure he wouldn't have done that, you know. I mean for me,

948
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,719
I think I didn't do anything spectacular, but it definitely gives you much

949
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:10,480
better appreciation for life. And I
think ultimately I still had a good general

950
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,840
feeling of life. But when you
when you really have written yourself off and

951
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,119
now you're you're alive. I don't
want to call a second chance of any

952
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,079
sort, but it really just makes
you appreciate. Well, I'm saying,

953
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:25,599
like you came in here. You
have two sons, you know, and

954
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:30,079
they look to be late teens,
early twenties. Yeah, where they tell

955
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:32,360
them late teens. I love that
now they're twenty five and twenty three.

956
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:39,599
I got twenty two and twenty one
of mine, So I uh, just

957
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,760
that you sort of sort of appreciate
them a little bit more. It's almost

958
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,760
like, what's the line in that
it's almost a I guess a hokey song

959
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,880
in a way, but it's not. It's not such an imposition to go

960
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,960
fishing, right, That's the I
lived like you were dying It's almost like

961
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,159
it's not an imposition to help the
kid with homework now as maybe a to

962
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:03,159
have been on, you know,
the following Monday, after the Thursday flight

963
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:05,559
home at two forty five, had
nothing happened, right, you know what

964
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:09,719
I mean? And I think it's
those things that you start to I don't

965
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:11,920
know, I'm asking, I don't
know. I would think, well,

966
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,480
it's all about when it when you
said brace for impact and I said goodbye,

967
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,559
What goes through your mind? Anything
I did for myself my life gives

968
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:20,840
a shit. I'm dead, you
know what, it doesn't matter. It's

969
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,480
not about me anymore. It's about
my loved ones. And that's all I

970
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:28,159
thought about is my you know,
my family, my friends, and I'm

971
01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:30,239
not one. And it's really sad
because I'm like, you know, I'm

972
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:34,440
no longer gonna hug my wife and
kiss my boys, and that's sad.

973
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,760
And then then I just flipped it
around and I'm thinking, Okay, well

974
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,199
I'm dead. They got to go
on with their knowing their father died in

975
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:43,760
a plane crash. I mean,
that's nothing they're gonna that's gonna be a

976
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,360
tough toll on them. One thing
I did that was smart though, is

977
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,119
I'm not kidding. This is a
true story. About three months before I

978
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:53,840
helped my life insurance. So I
was pretty stoked about that decision. Yeah,

979
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,679
well, in that moment, I'm
sure you would be. I was

980
01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:57,599
thinking of I mean, those of
the stuff I'm thinking about. I want

981
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:59,599
to, you know, take care
of my family, but you know from

982
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,920
Afar. But yeah, so to
your point, yeah, I mean my

983
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,000
appreciation in my family. That was
really all all I am missed in love.

984
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,480
I have a friend who's a pilot, so he always says like he

985
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:12,079
goes. He says, first thing, Selly lamed the plane perfectly, because

986
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:14,440
if a wing dips into the end
of the HUDs and you guys are gone

987
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,039
and the FAA is getting on him
like, well, you could have brought

988
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,719
it back to the to the to
the airport the run weeks. No,

989
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,360
I no, only couldn't know,
there's no way. But he also says

990
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,079
that the co pilot never gets credit. He's the guy doing all the checklists

991
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,679
and everything else. You did you
well, did you mention his name earlier?

992
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,360
Jeff Jeff styleish Okay, yeah,
I was gonna say yeah, because

993
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,760
I forgot his name for the second. But like everybody's talking about Sally,

994
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,559
but the co pilot's just as important
too, isn't he He is. And

995
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,159
here's one thing in Sully. Every
time he goes out, he tries his

996
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,880
hardest to give Jeff equal billing.
I mean, it really was a team

997
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,760
effort. The thing is America gravitated
to one person. Sure for the most

998
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,079
part. Well, the name of
the movie was Sully. He wrote a

999
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,159
book, and you know, and
he fit the part. I mean,

1000
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:51,159
look at the guy. You know, he's just this is the guy you

1001
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:55,800
want flying your plane. And Jeff
is equally a skilled and you know,

1002
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,719
it just happened to be. Actually, Jeff was the lead pilot. I

1003
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,960
don't know if you know that.
He he was the guy that was leading

1004
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:03,960
the flight. He was the and
Sully was the co And the reason why

1005
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,000
was is Jeff has actually got more
flying hours than Sully, but he doesn't

1006
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,599
have any airbus flight hours, so
he's trying to build up some hours,

1007
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,400
okay, And so we take off
and all of a sudden, bambirds hit

1008
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,840
strike and Sully just turns to Skiles
and goes my plane, and then Skyles

1009
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,920
goes your plane. I mean he
handed it over because Saul, he's got

1010
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:27,719
gallons of experience for that type of
plane then styles, but that was supposed

1011
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,079
to be his flight and he was
the pilot and they just switched it over

1012
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:33,559
because and again he had no problem
with that. Yeah, what did you

1013
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:38,320
do for work that was having you
travel? Yeah? I was an audit,

1014
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,159
so I traveled. But it wasn't
it sounds exciting? Yeah it was.

1015
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,800
It was The weird thing is like, but I traveled across the country.

1016
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,119
That's what I mean is you,
I knew you had traveled a lot,

1017
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,440
So had you experienced other things on
planes? Little turbulence, things that

1018
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,119
you kind of went and this is
sort of normal now? And well,

1019
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,039
I mean there was one flight I
flew into San Diego and they had the

1020
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,480
San Diego fires as a lion in
fact, I remember I had tickets to

1021
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:04,039
see the chargers going in and they
had him move to Arizona because the San

1022
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:08,519
Diego is on fire, remember that. Yeah, And so we stopped off

1023
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,880
in Arizona and we waited for like
five hours on the tarmac. I'm like,

1024
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:14,960
but they decided to send us in. And remember going down and it

1025
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,079
was just pure yellow smoke and we're
going and going, so we didn't know

1026
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,600
how close we are to the bottom, and then all of a sudden,

1027
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,520
we just shoot up in the sky. I'm like, whoa. I mean,

1028
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,359
I mean, it's like, what
did we miss? I mean,

1029
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,680
yeah, yeah, And so I'm
like, what was that? And now

1030
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,680
we're scared because we can't see anything
outside, you know, even when we

1031
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,199
shoot up. And then they tried
it again. We finally got down and

1032
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:38,239
we were the last plane. I
remember ashes coming from the sky was crazy

1033
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:43,159
wow. And my uncle was a
pilot for Delta and then was the head

1034
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:45,279
of the union for them for a
number of years. And my cousin is

1035
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,159
a pilot and they're based out of
Salt Lake. He lives in Park City,

1036
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:54,760
but that's uh so he was always
flying. My father used to I

1037
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,399
think he was jealous, but he
called him a glorified bus driver. Oh

1038
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,239
yeah, how was the hotel for
you when you got after everything all said

1039
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,920
and done? Did you go to
sleep that night or were you just up

1040
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,279
all night? Just yeah, thanking
everybody and thinking, well. When I

1041
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,880
finally got to the hotel, I
was actually by myself. I just kind

1042
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,319
of ended up. I mean,
we all scattered, we were rescued and

1043
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,439
sent to San half Us in New
York. I was in New Jersey,

1044
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,840
I mean so and then finally I
ended up at a hotel in New Jersey

1045
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,960
and you know, I got to
my room and I turned the TV on.

1046
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,640
It's about midnight and I and I
watched it for the first time,

1047
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,760
like, oh, that was a
bird strike. I mean, I didn't

1048
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,479
know for sure. I didn't know
the Captain sell you didn't to do with

1049
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,560
it, you know. I heard
some rumblings, but I was like I,

1050
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,319
you know, and I'm watching the
story like you had been probably all

1051
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,560
watching it all day long, and
it was the first time I got to

1052
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,239
see it, and it was allowed
me to calm down enough because I was

1053
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,880
just a wreck, you know.
But I was watching that and I called

1054
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,119
my family. Sleep now maybe a
couple hours, you know, but that's

1055
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:51,640
when I decided the next day to
fly home. So I had to go

1056
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,920
home and see my family right away. Yeah, so you did get on

1057
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,039
a plane again the next day.
Yeah. Was there a little apprehension to

1058
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:00,800
that at all or just it?
Well, what it is? The night

1059
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,600
before I wasn't going I was driving. But then you know, you just

1060
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,920
kind of think through it a bit. It's like it is safe for to

1061
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,640
fly, you know, I drive, you know, twelve hours. I

1062
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:13,159
got a better chance of dying doing
that than fall asleep exactly after something like

1063
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,680
this, which is already so taxing
on you. Yeah, and I had

1064
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,159
I had to get home to see
these guys, you know. So yeah,

1065
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:21,079
and but it was the most upsetting
flight. I we took off and

1066
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:24,640
I literally I just started balling my
eyes out. I mean, it was

1067
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,760
the weirdest thing. It just came
out of nowhere because all the emotions came

1068
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,920
back. Luckily, luckily they I
think the people knew who I was.

1069
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,399
I remember walking on the plane.
They probably made an announcement because I was

1070
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,399
still wearing the clothes the day before
and they're looking at who's this, you

1071
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,560
know guy coming in. But they
probably mentioned who I was because nobody really

1072
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,119
reacted to me crying, because you
can't imagine if I'm to suit the next

1073
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:45,680
my first business trip back and I
start bawling in my eyes out, there

1074
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,600
would be like that. I would
think I would think somebody, I would

1075
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,359
think somebody died. Well, that
that's what I would think. Like I

1076
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:57,359
would feel terrible, poor guy.
Do you remember when when it happened.

1077
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,640
I'm taking a nap. You called
me in the middle of the day,

1078
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,520
Danny build, it's up. Turn. I got one of these guys on

1079
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,119
what are these guys on for?
What? It was? A plane just

1080
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,000
land in the Hudson I go,
a plane landed in the huts. So

1081
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:14,039
I get this guy named Jeff kloj. Does that name ring a bell?

1082
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:15,680
Absolutely? Jeff. Yeah. So
he gets out and he goes, I'm

1083
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,199
no hero, I'm no hero.
He was like from New York and stuff.

1084
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:20,960
He's on a business trip. Okay, yeah they were. I think

1085
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,439
No, I think they're on a
golf trip. I think that's what it

1086
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,079
was. Ok Yeah, yeah,
him and they all were separated in different

1087
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:29,520
areas of the plane. So one
half we're here and the other half we're

1088
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,479
here, and they're thinking, ohly
God, are they alive? You know,

1089
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:33,960
whole experience. But yeah, I
know, Jeff, any nightmares of

1090
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:38,479
that or I don't know if there
would be nightmare, but any dreams that

1091
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,760
have come, you know, I
mean there's subconsciousness strides a mystery, right.

1092
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,840
I was. Actually it was more
of day dreaming, you know,

1093
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,960
during during the day, I'm trying
to work and then my brain would just

1094
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:49,840
take off for half an hour because
of what I went through. So at

1095
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,800
night, I mean, for the
first week was kind of hard, but

1096
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,439
then I got into it. It
was more of the daydreaming. It was

1097
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,479
very difficult to work almost that entire
year because it's just really and that's would

1098
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,880
you label that as PTSD? I
don't think so, No, I don't

1099
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,239
know. It was just good thoughts. I mean, it's like there was,

1100
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,199
okay, there's like a minute and
a half of fear that I went

1101
01:12:10,279 --> 01:12:12,960
through, but the rest of the
whole time around it has been, you

1102
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,520
know, fantastic. So I can't
explain it. But the daydream was just

1103
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,680
thinking through it again, and I
don't know, it was it's all right,

1104
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,920
yeah, you're still doing audits.
No, no, So now I

1105
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:26,199
manage money. I'm a wealth management
of there you go. Yes, now

1106
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:33,399
we're talking. Yeah, sure,
and that's in Charlotte. That's in Charlotte.

1107
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:38,680
Yeah, okay. Oh man,
I think it's uh something to live

1108
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,279
through for sure. I mean,
you must tell this story everywhere you go.

1109
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:45,600
Yeah, I mean, it's been
fourteen years, so it's it's kind

1110
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,880
of it died on But but then
again, it's It's just one of those

1111
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,479
things like you know, who is
who do you know has been in a

1112
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:56,760
plane crash to that element, you
know, And so I would be interested.

1113
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,920
I'd want to know more. And
here I understand, you know,

1114
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,479
anybody that's kind of event that you
know, where everybody stopped where they were

1115
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,640
and watched it on TV. You
know, I'd be interested to talk to

1116
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,800
those folks that were involved with that. So but yeah, I do tell

1117
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,600
it a lot. And everybody got
out and was there anybody who was elderly

1118
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,079
or some people? I mean sometimes
you know on a flight you may have

1119
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:19,439
somebody with a walker or something.
Yeah, I mean Lucille Palmer, she

1120
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,720
was eighty five, she came out
on the walker. It's kind of like

1121
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,640
you fed this story right for me. So that was I didn't know.

1122
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:29,960
I'm just thinking to myself, I'm
going, well, you know, you

1123
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:34,479
have a cross section of society on
these planes of every ability and every everything,

1124
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,840
and something like that happens. I
was almost gonna say, I think

1125
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,279
you start to see people's true nature
sort of come out at times, those

1126
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:48,119
who are just panicked and scared and
others who kind of a little more calm

1127
01:13:48,199 --> 01:13:51,199
and maybe leaders who step up and
help guide things. And then I'm thinking

1128
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:56,359
you may have people like you know, my mother who's in her mid seventies

1129
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,560
and walks with a limp, right, and it isn't gonna be able to

1130
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,359
hustle on a a nisle to get
out. Yeah, well, let's see

1131
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:04,880
how she, Like you said,
she came out in a walker with her

1132
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,359
She came out with her daughter.
We crash. She turns to her daughter

1133
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,039
and says, just leave me here. She just let me die here.

1134
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:14,960
I mean, I'm in your way. I mean I'm just gonna be in

1135
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,279
everybody's way. And she's like,
no, Ma, you're coming with us

1136
01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:20,079
and her and other passengers. This
is where I you know, what we

1137
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:24,560
did to all help each other.
That that's I mean, that's the human

1138
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,840
spirit. That's the That's what I
thought I was hoping would happen within something

1139
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,680
like that. And I could totally
see my old man saying just that.

1140
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:35,800
Yeah, I'm a wait, I'm
dead weight. I've lived, get out

1141
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:42,479
exactly, I believe me, I've
lived, and and not even being I

1142
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,319
don't know what the word would be, a martyr, a hero, I

1143
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:47,760
don't know, just saying like and
in a way a lot of times Big

1144
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,479
Jordan and Jackson do Paul Bill,
we got you two guys, and then

1145
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:56,159
you hear those stories of superhuman strengths. Then they're on the Good Morning America.

1146
01:14:57,039 --> 01:15:00,560
Jackson can just think a bunch of
people here. The entire conversation with

1147
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:06,479
Dan Fitten in episode one fifty nine
titled Fake Priest and Miracle on the Hudson

1148
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,199
coming up my younger brother, who
is kind of a hero to me.

1149
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,239
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1150
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1151
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1152
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1153
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1155
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1156
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1157
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,520
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1158
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1169
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1172
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:24,880
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1173
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:30,960
me. I'll listen to your story. I men around enough the door but

1174
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:36,640
there's all that meets the eyes.
Everybody needs a little bit enough charm,

1175
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:45,880
a little great Greek keeps you said
from Hardy. We're gonna tell me,

1176
01:17:45,520 --> 01:18:04,560
don't remind on you, kiness,
come along the avenue you feel Goodbye the

1177
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:11,399
late Jimmy Buffett. That is my
brother and his wife Morgan's wedding song,

1178
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:17,600
A little love and luck, and
mister love and luck is how my brother

1179
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:23,960
has lived his life. And it's
as his older brother by eight years to

1180
01:18:24,119 --> 01:18:30,560
watch. It has been fascinating and
interesting. And I'm not I know when

1181
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,800
people go, ah, you're jealous
or you're envious. No, I'm impressed,

1182
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:42,039
truly impressed. And my brother has
struck a chord between serious. He

1183
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:47,800
has a very serious job with people
who trust him with their investments. He's

1184
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:56,279
an economic forecaster for big hotels and
things resorts. But that is pretty serious,

1185
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:59,079
right, a lot of pressure,
and yet he went to clown college

1186
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:03,439
all his life. He's done.
He's just he is the most fun.

1187
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:12,359
He is the most fun and at
times the most serious. So for episode

1188
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:17,840
one one most interesting Moran two,
it's my brother and his wife Morgan.

1189
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:21,159
So hold on because like listen,
I go to these meetings too, and

1190
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:28,399
I've got like brownies and gray rabbits
are gray hairs. I'm whipping out all

1191
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,359
these little things out of my pocket. Out of these guys, I've I've

1192
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,760
shot chickens out of before. You've
got the owners, right, guys,

1193
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,000
because you have to keep they they
have to buy into you, yes,

1194
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:42,800
and so so I always realize you
have to have a little bit of humor

1195
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,000
with anyone. Yeah, so they
can feel and they can feel like human

1196
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:50,800
element to the point where you've taken
me to a U haul storage facility to

1197
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:59,479
meet former old clowns a deal they
were they were having, they were retiring,

1198
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,279
they were selling their equipment, and
you said, I need some of

1199
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:08,039
these things for some of my meetings. And we had to show up in

1200
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:13,279
Maine two a m here. Yeah, wait, so you you pull these

1201
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,720
clown tricks? Oh yes, whatever
all that. When I remember I'm in

1202
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,800
a meeting, I'm loaded. I've
got some kind of clown ship in one

1203
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,600
of my pockets. Like, oh
yeah about I mean, I've had like

1204
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,680
the owners of you know, is
it to break the torea? You know?

1205
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,560
And and what I've learned again,
you know, it's everything psychology to

1206
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:34,920
some extent. But they need,
as I was trying to say before,

1207
01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:40,079
they need to see that human element. They need it, right because you

1208
01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:42,600
can deal with you know, people
just talking numbers all day. You'll be

1209
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,520
out your fucking mind because they're boring
a ship. But you know you have

1210
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,479
to you have to be able to
breathe into the numbers. And that's and

1211
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,479
that's kind of what what that does. I can helps break it up.

1212
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,800
So that's, you know, just
something I've learned over the years. But

1213
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,279
yeah, so Cornell, right,
so there was that well we yeah,

1214
01:20:59,319 --> 01:21:02,680
let's go back. But Cornell loved
it. Yeah, I loved it there.

1215
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:06,279
I loved the school. I really
liked the labor relations school was a

1216
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:13,239
small, intimate group. But what
was so different is that I learned there

1217
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:17,880
that there was a world of people
and a lifestyle that I had never seen

1218
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,880
before. Yeah. You know,
you had kids that you know, went

1219
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,760
to boarding schools and they were they
were they were raised to go to a

1220
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,760
school better than Cornell, and they
just didn't get in. And you know,

1221
01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:34,399
they they had privilege, losing out
of every pore. And I just

1222
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,319
remember being like, holy shit,
this is kind of funny. Yeah,

1223
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,119
because I didn't you know, and
I don't mean it that way, but

1224
01:21:41,239 --> 01:21:44,359
like I didn't, I did well, we didn't even understand it. These

1225
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:46,760
were Hampton's and flying off to Europe
people. Yeah, these are you know,

1226
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,239
it's the Cores families, the Johnson
and Johnson family. You know,

1227
01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:55,520
there's a lot like that, you
know, legacy families that were there,

1228
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,119
you know, five generations that went
to the same school, you know.

1229
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,680
And and it was cool because you
know, two ways you can look at

1230
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,159
it was like, oh my god, I don't belong here, Like,

1231
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:05,119
holy shit, this is really cool. Yeah, I'm here with these people.

1232
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:11,239
We're all kind of going after the
same thing. And I think for

1233
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,279
me going into it a couple of
years later, right, I think it

1234
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,840
was like twenty one when I finally
got there, it was beneficial, you

1235
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,039
know. And and then I had
some buddies and some guys that lived on

1236
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:23,439
my floor that you know, had
done the Navy for a couple of years

1237
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,439
and like they pretty much dropped out
of high school to the Navy Community College

1238
01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:32,800
and then wound up at at Cornell. One of my good buddies he went

1239
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,199
on to law school and he got
into Harvard and he had too the university

1240
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:39,800
of Chicago. It was a great
law school. Yeah, some of the

1241
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,000
best in the country, right,
both of them, and he and he's

1242
01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:45,399
like, yeah, I got more
money. I think, he's I got

1243
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:46,439
more money to go to Harvard.
He's like, but they're just too pretentious.

1244
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,359
So he's like, I don't want
to fucking go there. So it

1245
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:51,560
was the University Chicago another ones which
is like the Ivy League of the world

1246
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,439
and didn't last, right, And
so it was neat. Right, You're

1247
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,920
dealing with people like of all different
shapes and sizes, especially the ones that

1248
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,520
transferred in because at the time they
had a dorm, the transfer dorm,

1249
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,439
right, so it was all and
it was probably two hundred three d kids,

1250
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,039
but they were all the ones that
transferred in, so you had a

1251
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:15,800
lot of different experiences which made it. Yeah. So after Cornell, you

1252
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:19,039
get a job in New York City. So another great thing that the school

1253
01:23:19,079 --> 01:23:23,279
like that does is a blue sunshine
up your ass. And they did a

1254
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:27,760
really nice job, right, So
I assumed i'd, you know, i'd

1255
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,319
graduate and I get this job in
New York and I'd be living in some

1256
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,039
really nice apartment on the Upper East
Side, And I think the best thing

1257
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:38,880
that happened to me is I wound
up getting a job at the Mayor's Office

1258
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,560
labor relations. Yeah, so that
was doing what for New York City.

1259
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:47,039
It was a labor analyst for the
Mayor's office. And what they did was

1260
01:23:47,079 --> 01:23:50,479
that they represented the city in all
the contracts. Yeah, it be the

1261
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:57,479
teacher, sanitation, all these So
what was so cool is a lot of

1262
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,960
the classes I was taking at Cornell, Yeah, these professors and they'd be

1263
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,159
expert witnesses, and they are oftentimes
expert witnesses for the unions. So I

1264
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:11,800
remember once it was I think we're
doing yeah, we're doing the police arbitration

1265
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,399
because they could never get to a
contract and the contracts are sold. But

1266
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,479
it was really neat, right,
It was a really cool experience to take

1267
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:23,439
what I learned move forward, get
a job in the heaviest union city in

1268
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,600
the world, right in New York. And you know, I was making

1269
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,279
thirty two thousand dollars living in a
fucking basement in Queens for a year,

1270
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,800
paying six hundred and fift dollars cash. But what was really cool aside from

1271
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:38,039
that was you know, you're a
part of this. You know, you

1272
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:41,560
were seeing how this stuff works,
right, so you know you'd be in

1273
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,079
these law offices because you know,
again it would be these high, high

1274
01:24:45,159 --> 01:24:47,840
end labor firms that were hired.
You're at Madison Avenue, You're a part

1275
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,399
of this. It's like, this
is amazing. And I remember once I

1276
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,600
was in the bathroom and after around, I'm like, hey, Professor Katz,

1277
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:58,000
like a professor I had. He
was there too, and he was

1278
01:24:58,079 --> 01:25:02,239
an expert witness, okay or the
police, you know, so it was

1279
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:05,800
really really cool. You know.
I remember once sneaking into the U into

1280
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,520
our breakout rooms because you know,
they're all catering all the stuffs. I

1281
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,000
walk in and I went to the
bathroom, just dicking around, and then

1282
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,880
oh, cookies are out. So
I'm like eating cookies and I'm shoving a

1283
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,800
cookie in my mouth and these guys
start walking into the room and they're all

1284
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,039
in suits and they're talking to their
arms clear clear, and they're like,

1285
01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:23,119
hey, how are you. I'm
like hey, I'm good. And then

1286
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:27,880
Bloomberg walks in and Bloomberg I'm like
hey, He's like hi. I'm like

1287
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,239
Bloomberg, I'm like good, I
no, I worked for you, Like

1288
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:36,000
the cookies and looking really good but
you know that it was cool. You

1289
01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:39,399
know, it was just times like
that. You know, it was a

1290
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,319
great job. And I think,
you know, I realized at the time,

1291
01:25:42,359 --> 01:25:44,079
I didn't want to be a lawyer. I didn't want to work for

1292
01:25:44,119 --> 01:25:46,319
the mayor's office forever. You know, it didn't pay well. I was

1293
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:50,960
frustrated with a few things at the
time, so I made a bet with

1294
01:25:51,079 --> 01:25:54,439
the body, is like, I'm
just gonna quit. What are you gonna

1295
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,800
do? Buy a bicycle right across
the country. No you're not, No,

1296
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,439
I am. So I wanted to
buying a bike. Okay, So

1297
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:04,560
how did that happen? Because I
thought there was and maybe again I'm conflating

1298
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,960
stories to something, but I thought
there was a guy that they brought out

1299
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,520
a cake that was celebrating thirty years
working there, and you went, there's

1300
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,119
no fucking way I can do this. Yeah, I think I think that

1301
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,399
was part. Yeah, I mean
there was that, right. You have

1302
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:23,000
the guys like you did forty years
in the city and they just you know,

1303
01:26:23,239 --> 01:26:26,800
they look like they were dust.
Yeah, right, And I realized,

1304
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,880
I'm like, this is not what
I want. This is not and

1305
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:31,479
and anything I did from there,
I really so I et there, I

1306
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,880
had to go back to school.
I didn't really want to be a lawyer.

1307
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,920
You know. I was doing the
calculations at the time, like I'll

1308
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,840
be twenty seven, we'll be so
old and all this. Suff sure it

1309
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,760
makes sense right now, it doesn't
look like but you're forty three and it

1310
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,359
doesn't matter how old you were.
Yes, but again, time has a

1311
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:49,520
different meaning, you know, at
every stage of life. But yeah,

1312
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,359
so I you know, I just
decided, like I hate where I live,

1313
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,319
you know, I don't like my
job, I don't like all these

1314
01:26:56,359 --> 01:26:59,000
other situations, and just said I'm
gonna quit. I'm gonna I'm gonna pull

1315
01:26:59,039 --> 01:27:02,279
myself out of this. And that's
when I bought a bicycle. You did,

1316
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,119
and did he did do this?
Yeah, and you went out to

1317
01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:11,600
Seattle. Well, here's this is
you bought the bicycle in Seattle. I

1318
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,800
didn't here. Oh, so here's
here's the funny part of the story.

1319
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,039
So March and Bill came down.
I think it's your birth Remember you came

1320
01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:21,199
down. Oh yeah, yeah,
so my buddy Jason. Yeah, but

1321
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:25,680
so I worked with my buddy Jason, and so he's like, oh,

1322
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,359
yeah, I want to meet your
parents. So we went out and we

1323
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,279
had a couple of drinks at a
bar and then we wound up in the

1324
01:27:31,359 --> 01:27:34,840
village. March has three or four
margites, and then we wound up in

1325
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:46,000
Central Park at a concert and just
few kids. It was it was like,

1326
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:48,920
well, the used green alcohol,
so it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't

1327
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:56,880
good on that. But so that
was the day I told my boss and

1328
01:27:57,039 --> 01:28:00,640
I'm quitting. Now you told him
earlier in the day. Yeah, I

1329
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,039
told him that day. Did you
tell March and Bill that he wold quit?

1330
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,199
Yeah? They knew, okay,
because I think I had already bought

1331
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,640
the bike by then, and you
know I was talking to like the bike

1332
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:13,439
shop back you know here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and or the

1333
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,159
Pleasant Valley Bike Pleasant Valley Bike Shop, which was funny because the guy I

1334
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:20,000
got a discount there because the guy's
daughter I got to the isl R school

1335
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,840
too. He's like, I'll give
you fifteen percent off. You knew my

1336
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,159
daughter this. I bought all the
ship and you know I got fifteen percent

1337
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,560
off, which is what I needed. But yeah, so the whole so

1338
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,000
I I quit that day, or
told him I was quitting, and I

1339
01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:35,880
came, I would come here on
the weekends and I'd ride the bike and

1340
01:28:36,079 --> 01:28:40,840
I rode it twice, like thirty
miles. And then here's the funny thing,

1341
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,119
And I thought about today because we
went to Pete's famous diner. Right.

1342
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:45,159
Yeah. So we're at Pete's and
I see this bike and it's all

1343
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:47,920
decked out. It's got all the
gear for somebody who's riding across country.

1344
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,319
And I see this guy. It's
like, hey, I'm like, oh

1345
01:28:50,359 --> 01:28:54,279
my gosh, I'm about to do
this now. It's mid July. Yeah,

1346
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:57,039
people start this thing in med Yeah
they do, right, so that

1347
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,039
the weather's yeah, pretty good everywhere. Yeah, but weather's good, you

1348
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:03,039
get some time. So talking to
this guy and I was like, yeah,

1349
01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:05,520
actually I'm about to fly out next
week. And he's liked, you're

1350
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,239
never gonna make it. He's like, it's you're you're never gonna make it.

1351
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:11,199
You haven't trained, you haven't done
anything. You're like, oh my

1352
01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:15,000
god. This guy's a total dick. And I was like, oh man,

1353
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:16,119
and he was like eating. He's
like, I'm like, where are

1354
01:29:16,119 --> 01:29:18,479
you going next? I'm gona ride
my way up to Boston. And then

1355
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:23,479
he's like I started down in California
and I rode up. Yeah, he

1356
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,279
rode up from like the border in
San Diego all the way up and then

1357
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:29,880
came across the country and did all
this other stuff. And he's like,

1358
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,239
you're never gonna make You're gonna run
out of time, it's not gonna work.

1359
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,800
I'm like, this guy's a dick. Yeah. So I wound up

1360
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:39,279
buying a getting the bike, flew
out to my buddy's house and Seattle and

1361
01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:41,880
just started riding. And I decided, I'm like, well, if I

1362
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,560
can get you know, if I
can go three days, right, just

1363
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,000
keep going. And the advice I
was given us, ride as far as

1364
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:50,399
you can the first day. Second
day, ride as far as you can.

1365
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,520
Third day, you're gonna be in
so much pain. Keep riding as

1366
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,439
far as you can that day,
and then by the fourth day you're cana

1367
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,319
feel okay. And I just kept
doing it. So I rode across the

1368
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:03,640
country. So no real training for
this trip, just the desire to change

1369
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,600
a flat tire on the bike when
I started, Just the desire to do

1370
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:11,880
it. Nothing else going on.
Yeah, just quit my job, I

1371
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,239
know. But yeah, and to
take me back because I have the same

1372
01:30:16,319 --> 01:30:21,720
parents you have now, I certainly
did whatever I wanted pretty much. But

1373
01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:27,079
that would be a scary thing when
you had a job, you had benefits,

1374
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:30,439
you had graduated college, and as
parents, you kind of go,

1375
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:35,159
Okay, the last one's kind of
settled here, and then it's never settled.

1376
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:38,960
No. But I'm just saying,
but like to quit your job and

1377
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:42,319
then you go as you're saying,
I got nothing going on, and you're

1378
01:30:42,359 --> 01:30:44,680
going out there. When did you
fly out? Well? I thought I

1379
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,760
thought you went August. Was it
July? It was like I might have

1380
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,399
fallen out the end of July and
I started August fourth, Okay, yeah,

1381
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,880
I remember it was August September and
you came home. You were back

1382
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,640
by October, October sixth I finished. Yeah, I rode forty five hundred

1383
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,640
miles. Yeah, so you go
back though that. So that trip,

1384
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,640
that fourth that third day, how
bad was it? It was bad?

1385
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,159
I mean, but it was manageable, right. I mean, you know

1386
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:12,319
you're sore. You know, they're
like, yeah, your ass is gonna

1387
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:14,640
be sore. And it was.
But you know, after that you just

1388
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:19,800
started to get it together. And
the way I worked it was I turned

1389
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,680
it every day like I was at
work. You know, you get up

1390
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,520
in the morning, you get a
friend six thirty. You know, I

1391
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,359
had a tent, Like at first, I didn't even have the camping situation

1392
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,520
figured out, Like I'm staying.
I'm like, I'm gonna burn out of

1393
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:30,960
all the money I have, right
I stay in hotel. So I'm like,

1394
01:31:31,039 --> 01:31:34,039
it's kind of weird because once you're
west of the Mississippi, you can

1395
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:38,880
camp anywhere nobody cares, like Blm
Lands. You can do whatever you want.

1396
01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:41,760
Really, yeah, you get east
of the Mississippi, it's a whole

1397
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,600
different world. Yeah, in terms
of you know, regulation, camping,

1398
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:50,079
regulations all yeah. Money. So
yeah, So could I bring it a

1399
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:56,880
little full circle for a minute.
Sure? So Nick, you flew out

1400
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,119
to Seattle, Yeah, when you
were starting this trip, and you stayed

1401
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:05,239
with your friend Nick, who went
grew up with here and who you started

1402
01:32:05,399 --> 01:32:09,399
flying with. Well, he was
the one that flew in the well so

1403
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,600
here, Yeah you could, Yes, you could do the full circle thing.

1404
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,560
And I think there Nick and I
flew it was the field trip.

1405
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:20,359
We wound up in the biplane.
Because his mother was a chaperone, March

1406
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,319
was a chaperone. Nick was a
fat kid, so I was able to

1407
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:26,560
kind of snug in the seat next
to him, So I felt safe,

1408
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:31,239
okay, And Nick's always been yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's always

1409
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:34,319
been like so, you know,
Nick and I have always had that relationship,

1410
01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:38,119
right, We've been very close over
the years. But yeah, so

1411
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:40,880
anyway, so I'm riding across the
country and again, as you're riding,

1412
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,600
this is like pre Facebook, this
is the iPhone. My phone would be

1413
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:45,840
out for like four or five days
because I'm in the mountains march. But

1414
01:32:47,159 --> 01:32:50,319
yeah, it's a ship. But
now, like I mean, I even

1415
01:32:50,359 --> 01:32:53,359
me, I'm like, I've got
my watch, I've got this, I've

1416
01:32:53,399 --> 01:32:57,560
got air tags, my wallet,
you know all that stuff. But so

1417
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,439
I'm riding across the country and you
know, you stop at a diner and

1418
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,600
you sign your name and all this
stuff. Well, I made it.

1419
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:06,479
I made it my job. Do
you go across the country going on what

1420
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:11,279
a total dick that guy that I
met and Ryan Beck was. So that

1421
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:14,159
was almost a motivating factor for you. No, it was just for me.

1422
01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:15,600
That was a sport. No,
that was not a motivating okay,

1423
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,239
no, no, no, What
I meant was a motivating factor to finish

1424
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,479
well No, no, no,
no, okay. The motivating factor to

1425
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,840
finish this because I started. I
had nothing to do with that. Okay,

1426
01:33:25,039 --> 01:33:28,119
you know, I wasn't gonna end
it. But it was just I

1427
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:29,960
just remember people like, oh,
yeah, there was this guy and who

1428
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,960
started. I'm like, he's a
total asshole. I remember like being in

1429
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,880
a couple of bars, like you
know it was an asshole. Oh he

1430
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,319
was amazing. I'm like, yeah, I heard he was a dick.

1431
01:33:39,399 --> 01:33:43,000
And then so I just went through
and in some places I would write next

1432
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,720
to him, asshole. Did you
know the guy's name? And you would

1433
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:50,079
see where so I knew, so
you could figure out what his name was.

1434
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:55,239
I was able to check logs like
and again it's all like it's almost

1435
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:58,079
like you know, colonial dimes,
right, people wrote their names and stuff

1436
01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:00,520
so you could see all this.
So yeah, I went across. So

1437
01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:05,600
okay, that had to be maybe
the best thing you ever did. It's

1438
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:09,640
it's up there. I mean,
it's an experience. Yeah, but I

1439
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,960
had to have some really challenging days. It was. Yeah, I think

1440
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:15,960
there had to be weather issues and
you had everything you had weather, you

1441
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,039
know, and I think at the
end of, you know, the trip,

1442
01:34:19,119 --> 01:34:21,319
what I realized and throughout the trip, it's like you could get angry,

1443
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:24,479
you get frustrated, right, and
you can just start banging. It's

1444
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:28,760
not gonna fix anything. So through
that, it really taught me a problem

1445
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,640
solving. Right now, you get
through it, you know, you go

1446
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,760
to stay calming and do stuff.
But overall, no, I think,

1447
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,720
you know it was it was a
good trip. It made sense, and

1448
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:41,840
then I wound up back home with
margin Bill pennyless. But I also knew,

1449
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,319
you know, I was never a
great math student, right, you

1450
01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:46,840
know, numbers whatever, And I
also knew the majority of people are afraid

1451
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,680
of numbers as well. And my
biggest thing was I needed to get a

1452
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,439
degree. Whatever I was going to
do next, I needed a degree,

1453
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,680
a master's or something of that sort. So that's when I went to Albany

1454
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:01,600
and got a master's in economics.
Because the whole thought to me was,

1455
01:35:02,399 --> 01:35:06,399
let me learn how to explain numbers
and then I can interpret them. Nobody's

1456
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:09,159
ever going to tell me, you
know what I mean, I need to

1457
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:12,359
be the one because people are really
afraid of them. And I was never

1458
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,119
listened. I'm never going to be
deep into analytics. I'm never going to

1459
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:16,560
be your PhD guy. I knew
it was, you know, I'm not

1460
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,640
going to get into all this theorem
shit, but I needed to be comfortable

1461
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:24,039
enough to explain it. And that's
where I decided, Hey, let me

1462
01:35:24,079 --> 01:35:27,279
get a master's in economics. And
I went to Aubany because it was a

1463
01:35:27,359 --> 01:35:31,000
year long program and I was paying
for it, right, So I wound

1464
01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:35,119
up there and it was hard.
It was a hard, hard program.

1465
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,439
You know. I was twenty eight, I think twenty seven, twenty eight

1466
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:44,199
at the time, six twenty seven
when I started, and you know,

1467
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:46,399
I would sign up. I had
tutors, I did everything I could.

1468
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,600
I was meeting with people. I
was meeting with professors all the time,

1469
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,800
just so they knew that I was
in it, right. That was the

1470
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:56,119
biggest thing. And the chair of
the department. I remember talking to him

1471
01:35:56,119 --> 01:36:00,279
once and because he was like,
oh, you went to Cornell, you'll

1472
01:36:00,319 --> 01:36:01,159
be fine, you'll get through this. I'm like, I'm not one of

1473
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:03,920
those kind of smart Cornell kids.
You'll be fine, You'll be fine.

1474
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:08,159
And they had this program where it
was the forecasting program, so it's like

1475
01:36:08,199 --> 01:36:12,000
a slightly higher, a little more
advanced, and you're supposed to do all

1476
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,800
the shit to get into it.
He's like, don't wry about I'm gonna

1477
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,039
sign off on it. You'll get
it, and you're fine. So you

1478
01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:17,960
signed me off on this program.
So now I'm sweating because now I gonna

1479
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:23,479
do even more. But that's what
you do now, But I yeah,

1480
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,640
and I do it. But like, believe me, when you're learning the

1481
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,560
stop, the theorems and all that
shit, it's a whole different world from

1482
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,079
what I do on a day to
day basis. But yeah, So I

1483
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:34,479
did that program and then when I
finished, I'm talking to the guy.

1484
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,880
I'm like, what am I to
do with this degreat? Like where the

1485
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,640
hell am I going to work?
And I was working in a running store.

1486
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:45,800
Yeah, and I was interning out
the state and he's like, oh

1487
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,159
yeah, all these companies are hiring, and this is like February. He's

1488
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:51,680
like, listens, like Disney has
like an economics department. You know you

1489
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,079
should. He's like, I got
a friend whose wife works there, and

1490
01:36:55,359 --> 01:36:58,079
his friend taught an RPI. I
was like, all right, So I

1491
01:36:58,199 --> 01:37:01,119
met her once like a air bread
and just talked to her. That was

1492
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,880
it. I wasn't looking for a
job. It was February and then June's

1493
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:06,520
like, hey, are you still
looking for a job, like, yeah,

1494
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,399
I'm waiting to hear back from the
state because I had applied for a

1495
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,840
job there where it's interning. Got
sender me your resume again, wound up

1496
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,399
having a phone interview, and then
wound up They're like, hey, we

1497
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,399
want to fly you down. It's
all right, and I lived. To

1498
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,359
keep in mind, I lived in
Auburny. I don't know if you had

1499
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,119
been to that apartment. I was
fucking great. It was great. It

1500
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:28,600
was on the third floors. This
sketchy building looked like the stairs are going

1501
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:30,640
to fall off, but then you
got up to the floor and it was

1502
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:35,159
perfect. It was amazing walk down
the stairs. I mean you were like

1503
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:40,439
everything. Yeah, the bars were
there. I mean you walked down to

1504
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,880
the Capitol and catch all the concerts. It was really, really cool.

1505
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,840
It's a great place. And I
remember Dad helping me get in the furniture

1506
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,159
up. I'm never moving this down. Cool look getting out of here.

1507
01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:53,239
So I was like all right.
So Disney is like, yeah, they

1508
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,960
they hired me, right, and
they're like here's you know, we're gonna

1509
01:37:57,119 --> 01:37:59,600
reload you, all right. What's
that mean? Like, well, we're

1510
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,680
gonna pay a ten k to take
the job, and we're gonna take all

1511
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,039
your ship, including your car,
and ship it down and fly you down.

1512
01:38:05,359 --> 01:38:10,920
All right. I couldn't say no
to that. And you're just gonna

1513
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:12,399
stay on for a year. I'm
like all right, So I'm like,

1514
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,199
great, I'll stay for a year. So they moved everything. I mean,

1515
01:38:15,239 --> 01:38:18,319
I had dirty clothes, dirty dishes. They wound up in boxes,

1516
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,239
wound up. Wait, they packed
everything. They had packers and movers come.

1517
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:28,000
They a car, a truck came
and picked up Helen's car. That's

1518
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:32,039
fancy and oh yeah, and like
they fly dead grandma stuff at a lot

1519
01:38:32,079 --> 01:38:38,760
of dead grandma stuff, a lot
of ship and all got shipped to Florida.

1520
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,159
So now where does it go in
Florida? Did they set you up

1521
01:38:42,199 --> 01:38:45,560
with the place? Well, they
flew me down to like properly, Like

1522
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,199
yeah, so it makes it now
I can see it like if I was

1523
01:38:47,279 --> 01:38:49,960
like, you know this stage in
my career, like yeah, you need

1524
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,439
to fly, you gotta figure out
schools, you figure all that. I

1525
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,119
didn't give a ship Like I'm like
fine, And you know, I remember

1526
01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:00,039
talking like the agent. They had
one crooked HR guy dealing with that Disney

1527
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:03,279
and he's like dude, you need
to move downtown. He's like, all

1528
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:09,760
the flight attendants are down. You
have so much fun and anyway, so

1529
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,359
they had somebody showed me around all
these apartments, and I wound up moving

1530
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,479
like not downtown but in this area
like yeah, not too far from Disney.

1531
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,039
But didn't you launch your kayak in
the pool? Oh? Yeah?

1532
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:25,159
So the ki they took, all
that ship was delivered, everything, everything

1533
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:30,800
wound up in and all that was
hell and ship. Yeah. And then

1534
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,359
they gave me like ten thousand dollars
just to like set up. And then

1535
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:39,039
there was all kinds like all the
money like it was nuts, like and

1536
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:42,800
and again I had no idea because
if I in retrospect, I should have

1537
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,399
done some other things like pay off
my stodent loan, right oway yea.

1538
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,840
So it was fun and you know, it was like handy Land, and

1539
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,640
you know, I'm hanging out and
doing all kinds of dumb stuff and yeah,

1540
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,640
yeah it was good. And you
worked at Disney yep. So I

1541
01:39:55,720 --> 01:40:01,720
got a job and was doing revenue
revenue management, which is economics for the

1542
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,039
hotels, okay, and then that
got me kind of moving ahead. Yeah

1543
01:40:05,359 --> 01:40:11,119
all right, and then you and
you met Morgan. Yeah, so ye

1544
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:17,640
wound up dating somebody for a little
bit. Na, oh I think I

1545
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,920
remember. Yeah, t Bex was
a little older, so that's why we

1546
01:40:20,039 --> 01:40:26,760
named her t Bax like t Rex. And then we were going through a

1547
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,560
breakup and I moved, like all
kinds of stuff. But then you know,

1548
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:31,920
uh, Morgan, I had a
mutual friend at the time, like,

1549
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:38,439
oh, I'm going out to you
Knowcot. Yeah, everyone hung out.

1550
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,920
Yeah, everyone hung out at Epcot
and all kinds of ship like your

1551
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,439
Disney money. You just spent the
back and place. And she's like,

1552
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,039
yeah, you should come, that's
great, And it was Morgan's Paraday,

1553
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,760
so what kind of matter. It's
kind of cute. And then I'm screaming

1554
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,039
on the phone with the other one
as trying to get rid of her and

1555
01:40:54,399 --> 01:40:57,760
dumb ship. But I realized that
Morgan, you know, from an economic

1556
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:03,000
perspective, was the best package because
she had who breaks it down like this,

1557
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:10,000
she just had her birthday. Oh
yeah, I know you you're clean

1558
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:15,279
for a year, clean and give
your you're rolling sixty days into the holidays.

1559
01:41:15,319 --> 01:41:16,760
You didn't have to do any holiday
ship because nobody wants to like meet

1560
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:21,279
somebody like you're not meeting family the
right. Yeah, and that was kind

1561
01:41:21,279 --> 01:41:26,319
of how it all started the spring. There's a little more to it,

1562
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:30,359
but sure. Yeah. So mars
Is March comes down and we're both playing

1563
01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:34,800
a different softball teams and we're at
ESPN, rolled out of sports doing her

1564
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:40,760
softball thing, and she's a girl
like that one over there. We're not

1565
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:45,600
going socks. Did you sell your
mother? And then March it's waving to

1566
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,920
me while I'm in my little cute
conversion. So I said, I said,

1567
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:58,279
you, my son, you really
looked at I'm not concerned that I

1568
01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:00,680
didn't. I did, and I
was the like I called the promiscuous one.

1569
01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:05,600
So then so then I said,
there's biscuous one, Billy. So

1570
01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:10,279
so hold on, here's the thing. So then I told marsh we can

1571
01:42:10,359 --> 01:42:12,479
get back at her. And she's
like, what do you mean? It's

1572
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,279
like you say to her. So
I heard you've been in my house because

1573
01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:19,319
we went because because Morgan flew up
and we met up with my buddy Jason,

1574
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:24,600
and we all went white water around
here in Riebeck. But hold on,

1575
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:28,239
we went to the Ironics, but
we caught up at the house and

1576
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:30,840
then we all drove up together were
Martin, Bill, you were somewhere.

1577
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,880
I think you guys are living in
Maybe Yeah, you were. I don't

1578
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,800
know you were somewhere. You were
there because I told you that I was

1579
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,399
going to any of my buddy's gonna
stay at the house for a night.

1580
01:42:43,079 --> 01:42:45,119
So that I said, Hey,
tell her that I heard you been in

1581
01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:53,239
my house. Did she yeah,
March did she said to you? Yeah?

1582
01:42:54,600 --> 01:43:00,359
What is that like? Then I
sat back and left. Here it

1583
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,600
all with my younger brother in episode
one twenty one, the most Interesting Moran

1584
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:10,840
two for Greg Connors, Armin Shawbrook, Dan Vinton and my younger bro I'm

1585
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:15,079
Bill Moran. We'll see you next
time with an original episode. Yeah,

1586
01:43:15,239 --> 01:43:23,760
baby, I woke up in hotel, didn't know what to do. I

1587
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:27,560
turn a TV on, rute a
letter to you and a stout didn't by

1588
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:32,760
to dad upon the unastate seems they
were looking for a kind of light with

1589
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:33,920
Tennessee Eve please