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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with this quirky little fella, cool little

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dude, Jason McClellan. Yes,
I am here, But Alejandro, I

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don't know. A week after week, you seem to take great in highlighting

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the fact that I am short.
Believe me, I'm quite aware of the

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fact that I am a little dude. You don't need to highlight that,

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do I I noticed, you know, I did take note when I did

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it this time, and but I
didn't realize I do that often. I'm

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quite sensitive about my lack of height. Okay, what's one of your favorite

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features? And that's what I highlight
from now on. I have fantastic ears

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Okay, great, Not really,
I don't. I don't have a good

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feature. My good feature is shut
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have a fantastic radio voice. Okay, okay, so I'll stick to something

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else next time. No, feel
free to rip on me for being short.

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I'm perfectly fine with it. Well, it's like it's it's an endearing

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characteristic. I think. As long
as you say it that way, I'm

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cool with it, all right.
Cool cu cool, so of course we

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are here to talk some UFOs,
and in a little bit here actually Jason

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and I are going to bring least
people on and all three of us are

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going to be talking about the best
UFO cases of twenty thirteen. Get ready

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for it, people, because this
is awesome. We fight it out,

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we scream and yell at each other. We're not even friends anymore because this

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is actually, as you guys know, our interviews are pre recorded. We

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just did this like yesterday. But
yeah, we just got mad. I'm

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pretending to like Jason, but I'm
so mad at him. Yeah, it

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got heated, pretty upset today.
It's hard to talk with you, Alejandro

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and put on a happy face,
but put out a happy face. Crap.

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There were so many stories last year, and I think we barely barely

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had the time to scratch the surface
with all the great stories we wanted to

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talk about. Yeah, we barely
scratched the surface. And I think we

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both talked about this about how it
was shocking really when you put it all

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together, how many really important things
happened last year, right, Yeah,

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definitely, So you'll hear more about
that and a bit. However, before

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we get into all of that we
always like to cover the best UFO news

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from the last week, and I
think it's safe to say that this last

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week has not been you know,
so far twenty fourteen, it's not been

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a stellar UFO year. You know, I think it takes people a while

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to recover after the holidays and get
back to reporting the good old news.

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So but you're right, man,
last week was a slow one. Yeah,

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so pretty slow. So go ahead, Jason, what do you think

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is your best the best story?
I don't have one. There you go,

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there we go by kidding well,
I would just like to highlight this

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story. There there was a guy
who put together a video warning aliens to

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avoid Earth. Now he did this
in good fun, but it was a

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video created in response to a blog
post he saw that that said, it's

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funny how science fiction universe is so
often treat humans as boring default every man's

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species, or even weakest and dumbest. And you know, that's that's true.

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You know, pop culture likes to
depict extraterrestrials who come to Earth is

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being vastly superior and violent and wiping
us out and all that. But you

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know the reason I'd like to mention
This is because it highlights something that that

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I think is a very common opinion
of extraterrestrials, you know, not just

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in UFO community, but just in
humanity in general. We like to think

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of extraterrestrials as being vastly superior in
every way. We like to generalize and

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think that aliens or extraterrestrials will have
one set of ways they operate, just

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just one type of extraterrestrial. They
will be hostile, they will eat a

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they will take our resources. You
know, that's a question we hear a

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lot and see in mainstream media,
is you know, will will aliens be

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hostile? Will will they do this? And the real answer to that is,

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well, number one, we don't
know, but number two, there

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will be there. There will most
likely be some that, yes, will

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want to be mean, but there
will also potentially be some that are nice.

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It's just like look at humanity.
I mean, you can't just dumb

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humanity in one category and say humans
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It goes all over the spectrum.
You know, people are individuals, They

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have different intents, different behaviors,
and you think about the universe and the

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potential for life to be the types
of life to be infinite, and so

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we have no idea what to expect, but it's safe to say that we

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can expect a lot of different things. So I thought this video was interesting

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taking a different look at humanity and
warning extraterrestrials to watch out for Earth if

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they're traveling through space and looking for
places to visit. And you know,

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some people will say, well,
obviously, if they have the technology to

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travel here, they're more advanced than
us. Well, that may be true.

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They may be more advanced than us
in terms of space travel, but

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that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be more
advanced in every other way, or more

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capable to eliminate us if we're a
threat, or have us not be a

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threat at all, if their immune
systems can't handle our environment, if they

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can't handle the craziness that humans are
in the desire to be militaristic. And

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what if they look like giant carrots
and they get off their ships and the

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people who encounter them say, hmm, I'm hungry. What if they're stoned

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and they see and they go and
like take a bite out of them.

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You don't know, there could be
potential risks. I mean, one of

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the things they highlight in the video, it's human power sources. One of

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humans power sources is other life.
We eat other life. That's just a

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warning sign to extra trestros who might
visit, watch out because we eat other

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life. I think that that is
really interesting, that theory that you just

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threw out there, and I have
not heard that before. The potential that

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aliens look like food and a stoned
human eats them. Well, I'm glad

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you caught that all a hunter,
because that's a huge theory of mine and

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I have a book in the works
about that. But that's going to be

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a good one. That's something different. No, not really, I think

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I'd have to be stoned to write
something like that. Yeah, no,

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I it is. You know,
they're infinite possibilities. You got to think

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about things, and people love to
throw that out. If they can get

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here, they're obviously fastly superior to
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think back to an episode of Star
Trek the Next Generation and I forget the

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name of the alien race that they
encounter, but there are these really dumb

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guys. Yeah, and they just
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stealing to t chnology and things from
other superior races, and they look for

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things, things that make us go. You know, they're really dumb,

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simple characters or creatures, but they
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necessarily more advanced than other life forms
they encounter, but they still managed to

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get from here to there. So
possibilities exist that people generally don't think about.

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Yeah, yeah, good point.
That's kind of funny. It's a

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good It was a funny story that
came out last week. Another story that

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I want to mention is your story, because this was kind of the big

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UFO story of the week. And
this was the UFO cut on radar at

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the airport in Germany. And of
course you're going to have some details,

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but essentially a week ago, right
in the evening in Bremen, Germany,

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the Bremen airport, people witnessed the
UFO. The police were alerted. They

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came out by car and by helicopter
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it, and eventually, you know, some witnesses said it was allowed and

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it looked like a plane, and
then witnesses starting to come forward. It

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seems like describing a plane, right, And this is a story. Interestingly,

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that you know, has a lot
of conspiracy theorists forming a new theories

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here, because that's very interesting with
this story, that the initial reports didn't

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release any sort of description of this
object at all, and then, you

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know, after the news broke,
then a story started being modified to say

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that witnesses explained that the object looked
like a plane, but it was a

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lot louder. And then the air
traffic controllers, who previously didn't have a

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description, then described that it had
normal lights, red and green approach lights

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on both sides. So all the
descriptions sounding like a simple airplane, but

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these descriptions weren't in the initial reports, and so a lot of people are

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wondering if this is a cover story, they're trying to make it go away.

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I don't know if that's the case, but I do find it fascinating

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that when we initially did this story, none of the witnesses, the police

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who had seen it, the air
traffic controllers who had seen it, there

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was no description of the physical craft, right, Yeah, kind of interesting.

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So what do you think. I
think it's a total cover up job,

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Alejandro, Not again, No,
I don't. I think most likely

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it's a case of bad reporting,
and you know, they later went back

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and put in some of the most
crucial information. But it is interesting and

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I do love these cases when they
show up on radar, when police actually

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witness these things too, and they
go through with an investigation. You know,

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a lot of times, especially here
in the United States, if there's

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an incident at the airport and it
doesn't get discussed, it tries they try

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to play it down because of course
we don't have anything in the in airport

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airspace that shouldn't be there, and
if it is, we know exactly what

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it is because our skies are safe. Yeah, that's the illusion that they

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like to create. But having air
traffic controls, being able to get their

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statements, getting police statements, all
of this is put out in the news.

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It's great to see, so I
hope other countries take note. Right

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So, and a couple another thing
probably worth mentioning, is there were a

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couple UFO sidings in England, including
some video and pictures, and you could

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go to the website and see that. Of course we need to talk about

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it because it's not necessarily extremely exciting
stuff, but it's kind of cool,

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you know, something to check out
there wasn't a whole bunch of information given

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with these pictures and videos. But
again, you know, the UK is

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a hot spot. But there's something
I forgot to mention, and I want

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to keep you on the line,
Jason, because I know this is something

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that you utilize. But this is
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could go there and get a lot
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don't have a show, some of
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to do at work? Well,
you could work, No, I'm sure

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use Audible, right, Jason,
I do, man. Audible is awesome

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and I just started using it last
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I put them on my tablet and
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on my phone. I plug it
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I drive, and yeh, that's
that makes the drive so much better listening

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to books. And I don't have
a lot of time to read extracurricular books.

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Most of my my reading is done
for research and all sorts of UFO

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related stuff. But when I want
to read anything else, uh yeah,

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I don't really have time, but
I'm always in the car or on a

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plane or something. So being able
to have them on my phone and just

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listen to these books, it's awesome. And they have a huge selection,

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and they have several UFO books as
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the offering there is not short at
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not to uh toot their horn too
much, but I'm happy to yeah,

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well and so, and just so
people know, you know, they do

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have a lot of UFO books.
They have Leslie Kanes, UFO's general pilots

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and goverment officials go on the record. I think I would probably say it

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I think Jason and I agree that
if that might be the best UFO book

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out there, if not one of
the best. And some of the guests

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we've had on the show, such
as Robin Trish McGregor we've had on the

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show. They're alien book that we
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with from Zachariah Sitchen, from Philip
Copens, from Travis Walton, Jim Maroney

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who we've had on the show.
So a lot of our guests have their

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books on audible dot com too,
So you could go to Audibletrial, dot

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com, Forward, slash ufo Radio. They've got some great vintage sci fi

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on there too, and it's fun
listening to some of those old sci fi

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and audios. Yeah, done an
audio book, it's pretty great. And

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what is that you are align,
Jason, Why don't you say at all?

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One hundred? I'm just gonna see
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dot Com, Forward, slash ufo
Radio. Yeah, rac one cool.

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All right, thanks very much,
my pleasure. So without further you,

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let us bring on Lee Spiegel,
the correct UFO reporter for the Huffington Post,

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and talk about some of the coolest
UFO stories from twenty thirteen. I

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am so happy to be doing our
Best of UFO Best Of twenty thirteen show,

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and we have the incredible, the
pretty much soul mainstream national news UFO

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correspondent Lee Spiegel on the phone.
Hello, mister Spiegel, Oh more,

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don't stop more more. He's pretty
funny. He's got great hair. He's

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got hair for his age, which
is all That's why I happened so and

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then we've also got Jason on the
phone with us too, because we're all

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gonna talk about our top stories and
then we'll discuss them. So the way

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what we'll do this guys, is
we'll go to leewask you what is the

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top story you want to talk about, and then we'll go one at a

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time. The reason being that I
don't you know, if we had if

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we said let's do all five,
who knows if we'll get to it.

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Who knows how much discussion we'll have
around each story. And it's going to

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be a lot of fun to discuss
each story. Although I'm pretty sure our

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lists are going to be pretty similar
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you guys talk about, and I
guess no doubt I'll start off the first

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story. The most important story of
the year, hands down is the Kardashians

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going to Area fifty one. Guess, well, do you first want to

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back yourself up there and lay a
case as to why you think that to

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merit's discussion here, Alandro, just
because I went with them, No,

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I guess for me personally, that
was my number one story. No,

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I'm kidding, But you know what
is interesting is Kardashians. We also had

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we had a lot of celebrities and
this has been in trend in the last

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few years, a lot of celebrities
talking about UFOs. Not that that's a

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top story, but it is a
topic for twenty thirteen. That's not really

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my top story, but it is
worthy of mentioned. And you know it

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being that the Kardashians are some of
the most talked about people in pop culture

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and they've got one of the most
popular television shows going right now, it

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certainly is newsworthy and is worthy of
mentioned that they are genuinely interested in UFOs.

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they decided to go out alien hunting

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at Area fifty one, and even
cooler that they invited you and Travis Walton

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along so yeah, so and who
else There's Rihanna thanks to you, Jason,

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you know, and Marien you guys
interviewed Tom DeLong. There was who

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said, other singer, who's seeing
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but her Alicia Keys talking about UFOs. There was Russell Crowe with his

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UFO photo or his Yeah, his
UFO photos turned out to be a sailboat

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most likely, right, but he
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he talked about the citizens hearing.
Yep, he tweeted about that. So

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yeah, a lot of celebrity UFO
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have to I have to go along
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story was I'm okay, go ahead. The Kardashian story absolutely was it for

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me, There was no but there
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a ten million dollar Kardashian Bounty.
Oh nice, where you capture a Kardashian.

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Yes, yeah, and you submitted
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would be some interesting DNA results,
I'm sure, yeah, But I mean

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it was fun. There were a
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was kind of a banner year for
celebrities in UFOs. A lot of celebrities

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talking about UFOs, which is kind
of cool. And thanks to you,

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mister Spiegel, Alejandro and I were
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on Post Live, so that was
a lot of fun. Yeah. Well,

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you know, I have to tell
you, just to pount all of

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us on the back here for a
moment. The three of us probably contributed

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more overall news about UFOs and related
things than any other reporters anywhere because we

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were constantly on it, constantly writing
about it. I was constantly stealing from

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both of you all year, and
it was always great because I would go

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to your site to open minds to
see what you two were writing about so

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that I could figure out how I
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all right, we have evidence,
so you don't want your thoughts to hear

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this. That's right, that's right. Well, you know you gotta get

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your stories from somewhere. I prefer
to get them from a credible source,

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and YouTube are the credible source.
Well, thank you more more more,

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Well, well, that's true.
And the other thing about the three of

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us that I really think is so
important. After so many years of working

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in this field, the three of
us have no problem sharing information with each

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other. Yeah, you know,
and you can't say that about almost any

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other writers in this field or others. You know, we share with everyone

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who wants to share. Yeah,
so that's true. Well, you know.

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my list and I put it together, I think there are a lot of

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really game changing stories, groundbreaking stories
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A lot change. The whole landscape's
different than a year ago. Yeah,

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you're right, And something that's interesting
when we look back at top stories

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from the from the previous year,
it's always it blows my mind because I

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don't know about you guys, but
when you're in this every single day,

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studying and researching news about UFOs and
extraterrestrials, I lose track of time.

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Yeah. I look back at stories
that happened this year, and I was

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a holy cow that that was just
this year. I don't know the years

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blend together with these stories. I
agree, I agree, and I'm not

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to get ahead of ourselves here.
I would say that for me, the

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most groundbreaking piece of information or kind
of story that kind of evolved over the

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year, but really by the end
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It's like, well, here we
go into twenty twenteen. How are

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we going to deal with drones going
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you know, do you want to
treat this as the first storyly?

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know how important it is other than the

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fact that as more and more drones
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their home depot or lows or hardware
store and get the materials not terribly expensive

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to be able to put together something
that looks like a flying saucer. You

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can remote control, you can put
lights around it, and you can fly

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these things around now and within hours
you've got headlines of UFOs in different areas

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and then not really UFOs, And
it's going to cloud the whole UFO issue

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for a while now, as the
drones get more and more sophisticated, and

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as more and more people want their
little fifteen minutes of fame by being the

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cause of these UFO sightings. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean we're

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kind of screwed now. I mean, looking at the drone stories. Recently,

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I agree it used to be.
In the last few years, it's

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been Chinese lanterns. If it's an
orange or it's a Chinese lantern, and

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you know, ninety nine percent of
the times that's true. But sometimes even

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you know us, some of those
things we blow off as as Chinese lanterns

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maybe aren't. But now if it's
an orange, oh, or moving slowly

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and fading out, oh, it's
a Chinese lantern. But now we have

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these drones, and so now if
it's a flashing light, changing colors zipping

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around quickly in the sky, which
previously before the drones was one of the

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most exciting types of sightings and fairly
frequent. I mean, it's something that

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I've heard throughout my whole lifetime.
People think now something like that, it's

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going to be relegated to, oh, it's a drone when it could be

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an exciting you real UFO sighting it. And so I think you're right.

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I think we're entering an arena where
we're in trouble. As technology gets better,

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it's going to be almost impossible to
decipher what is man made and what

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is not. Well, yeah,
and go aheadly, Well, I was

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going to say that for me,
the ultimate UFO video hoax of the whole

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year was something that that you Allehandrol
helped to expose and you turned me onto

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it was the drone that appeared over
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say about that. That's a game

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changer too, because you know what
happened with that. I didn't think it

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would work. It came out,
you know, they flew the thing around.

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I thought, Okay, this is
probably a marketing point. If it

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is, they're not going to get
any if they don't admit it, you

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know. And if not many people
make a big story out of this,

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they're not going to get any juice
out of this. They're going to go

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through this whole effort and not get
any juice. Well, the story goes

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international, then they come out and
say it was asked it was a drone.

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Then every newspaper that wrote an original
story did a follow up paper,

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so boom, they get this instant
international you know, recognition that this Vancouver

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Planetarium hoaxed the whole thing. So
it was a tremendous success. And now

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just this week we see California with
the crop circle, same kind of thing

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they make. The crop Circle gets
to international news and video comes out and

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says it to us boom Instantly,
everybody's writing about that, and they instantly

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have some international press. So now
we have, you know, people with

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big resources hosting things to as a
marketing stunt. And the success that these

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two people have had is just going
to mean we're going to see more of

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this, right And I think you
know that that shows the importance of the

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importance and the difficulty of what the
three of us do. And I know

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that a lot of people contact us
and wonder why we cover so many stories

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of things that aren't most likely easily
identifiable, like Chinese lanterns, like RC

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aircraft, like blimps. But the
big problem here and it is people need

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to be educated. People aren't used
to seeing things certain, these types of

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objects in the sky, so when
they see them, they look weird.

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And it doesn't matter how many times
they come up in the news. Chinese

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I mean think we like to think
Chinese lanterns were you know, a big

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thing last year, the year before. They're always going to be a big

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thing because there's always going to be
people who aren't familiar with seeing Chinese lanterns

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in the sky. They see it. It's weird to them. They're gonna

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put a video up and say,
wow, check out this UFO. I

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mean, it's an ongoing problem we're
gonna face and you're not gonna be able

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to educate everybody. But if we
try as much as we can, when

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these stories come up and make it
big in the news, try to show

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people what these things look like,
describe their behavior, Hopefully more and more

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people will get used to them and
we'll stop seeing so many of these sightings

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cluttering the potentially genu in more interesting
cases, the gay right, yep,

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exactly. Yeah, Well you're you're
you're right, Jason, And from from

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from my perspective, I get comments
at the end of my stories, and

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I get emails sent to me by
people everywhere complaining to me and accusing me

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of spending wasting my time, wasting
their time on on crap stories that you

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know, like why is the Humpington
Post letting him even write about these things?

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Who's who's controlling this guy? You
know, what kind of a reporter

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is he? Well, you know, they they think that it's okay to

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back me into a wall and say
you shouldn't be writing about this? Well,

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well why not? Or what should
I be writing about instead? Give

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me a better option. Uh,
it's it's very frustrating to me that I'm

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put into a situation where people are
actually complaining about what I'm reporting about and

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I don't just I don't just write
stories because well I need a story today,

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So let's just see I can find
anything to write about. That's not

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how I go about doing this.
And I needed to you guys. Yeah,

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those punks, those bunks. Yeah. One thing that's true of twenty

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thirteen and since the invention of the
Internet is that internet troll set. Yeah.

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But let's get into the top story. So Lui Spiegel, you are

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number one. What is your top
one of your top UFO stories of the

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year. Well, well, you
know what the story that for me?

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I think I wrote three or four
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me the biggest reader hits of the
year. And I'm assuming you've got big

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hits too, because the three of
us, we are so busy involved with

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the little alien or the little humanoid
called add On And this wasn't even really

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a UFO story, but boy,
it belongs in the category. Somehow absolutely

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longs in the category. But for
me, it ranked really low on the

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list when I put my list together, when I thought of the results,

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I understand what you're saying that it
did bring in a lot of hits and

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that's why it's on the list.
But when I looked at the results,

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it added nothing. In fact,
it's not anything. It was negative in

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that it just was a whole silly
debacle best case, that crypto zoological type

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of thing. But what's funny about
this is the whole kind of and I

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know people are going to get mad
at us, and sure enough you bring

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it up because now we're going to
make a lot of people mad. But

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it's almost like a Giorgio Tukulos type
of thing. If you don't know what

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it is, it's alien. We
have no clue you know exactly the nature

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behind the background of this thing.
Although I listened to we have Stephen Gers,

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DNA expert. He says it's human. I don't know. It probably

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has some deformities, but it's human. We have several now experts in fossils

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and some with fetus fossils who have
said it's definitely a fetus. Uh,

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it's probably mummified, and that's why
you have these strange bone anomalies that they've

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been seeing. So it probably wasn't
even a deformed human. It was just

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a human fetus that's the mummified.
So we have all of this and in

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the background people say, oh,
we don't know what it is, so

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it's got to be an alien.
I guess it was a weird social kind

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of thing that happened, you know, it's a big story that way.

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Well, and you know, and
there is some kind of an indirect UFO

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connection here because while the experts were
trying to figure out what this creature was,

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you know, whether it was an
unborn fetus or whether it was a

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creature that actually lived to be six
or eight years old. I mean,

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there's a controversy right there. How
do you how do you how do you

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French eat all that information? But
then the Stephen Greer connection to it.

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He's the one who kind of brought
it to the American consciousness. And here's

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the guy who basically part of what
he does is he gets groups of people

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together to pay a lot of money
to go on these weekend excursions into the

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wilderness and sitting on the little picnic
chairs, closing their eyes, meditating and

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calling for UFOs and aliens to come
visit them. Well, you know,

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it's like my head was exploding from
all this stuff. And so it made

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it a bigger story for me because
it wasn't just a story about the little

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alien. It was all the other
stuff that surrounded the little creature that just

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didn't seem plausible or credible to me. And I don't necessarily like the idea

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of anybody taking money from people and
promising them to have an extraterrestrial visitation or

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00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.400
encounter in the wilderness. I don't. I don't like that. I don't

408
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.519
like how people who are already gullible, who who will give up their hard

409
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.119
earned money to do that, even
if they are strong believers in this,

410
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.480
because it never actually really pans out, even when they have night vision photography

411
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.880
or videos to to confirm that they're
being visited by something in the sky.

412
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:29.920
You can't you cannot say definitively that, oh, those lights that are moving

413
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.880
in those strange patterns are from Zeta
reticuli. You can't do that. It's

414
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:42.240
it's not it's not right. It's
inconclusive and It just brings the credibility for

415
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:46.119
me way down, which is why
the story for me was a big story.

416
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:51.720
I agree, it definitely merit's mentioned
in this list. It did generate

417
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:59.279
not only massive headlines in the UFO
extraterrestrial community, but mainstream media throughout the

418
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.480
world. It wasn't big story.
And the most frustrating thing about this story

419
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.920
to me, like with a lot
of other stories, is that people make

420
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:12.799
up their minds very quickly and will
for some reason latch onto one or two

421
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.680
sources or statements by you know,
certain people that they want to believe,

422
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.920
and they refuse to look at any
of the other evidence. They refuse to

423
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.880
consider any other possibilities. They've already
made up their mind before looking at the

424
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.839
evidence. And there are still to
this day, so many people who will

425
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:37.240
not believe that what was his name, Nolan, Do you guys remember,

426
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:45.160
Oh yeah, the clientist, Yes, Gary Nolan, straight from his mouth

427
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.519
saying that without a doubt, it's
human. There are so many people who

428
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.799
will not accept the fact that he
said that. They'll read statements, comments

429
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.519
that he made in the journal Science, things like that, and you know,

430
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.359
they'll invent conspiracies on our own saying
all that wasn't actually him saying that.

431
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:07.039
No, why would he have said
this in serious And you know that

432
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.559
they just create their own reality.
They listen to what they want to listen

433
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:14.960
to, but ignore other things that
you know, are some of the most

434
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.199
important things in my opinion. So
yeah, and you know the other thing

435
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:24.840
also, Jason, that is people
will attack you and Alejandro and me simply

436
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.360
because we're part of media. We're
the reporting media, and if we think

437
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.559
something is non credible, whoa,
oh my gosh. You know, who

438
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.639
are these guys? How dare they
right about this? You know? How

439
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.719
did they ridicule We're not ridiculing anybody. We're trying to keep people honest.

440
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:47.519
It's bad of our jobs as members
of the CIA to be donors, were

441
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:52.280
downers. We can't get excited about
anything. We've got to burst everybody's bubble,

442
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.760
right right, I mean, And
to both of your points, you

443
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.960
know, with with Nolan's statements,
you know, even Greer when we interviewed

444
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.280
him, was saying, well,
no, he didn't say that. He

445
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:06.639
said dot dot dot. No,
he didn't say dot dot dot. He

446
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.000
said this, and he said it
several times. He made himself very clear.

447
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.599
And several different arenas. If that's
his opinion, that's his opinion.

448
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.000
You know, we can't change that, right, So and then the other

449
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.679
thing attached this was the documentary Serious
which came out, which I love the

450
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.360
guys who made it, They're really
cool. It was very well produced.

451
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.320
I love Thomas who narrated it.
But it really was just kind of a

452
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:37.719
run of the mail another you know, documentary really didn't add anything we didn't

453
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.679
know before, so it wasn't really
a game change or anything to me.

454
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:46.039
But yeah, this was a big
story. Yes, sir, so Jason,

455
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:52.519
what about you? Well, I'm
going to go to very early in

456
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.480
the year, and this is a
story that was sort of a continuation from

457
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.679
something that made headlines in late twenty
twelve twelve. But I want to talk

458
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:08.519
about the UFOs along India's border.
This is back in November of twenty twelve.

459
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:14.199
Members of the Indian Army and the
Indo Tibetan Border Police Force they witnessed

460
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:19.039
more than one hundred UFOs along the
border with China over a two and a

461
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:24.440
half month period, and several agencies
were investigating these things, including the Indian

462
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:30.719
Astronomical Observatory, the Indian Army themselves, the National Technical Research Organization and the

463
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:36.639
Defense Research Development Organization, and they
were unable to identify what these hundreds of

464
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:44.199
UFOs were. Well move into beginning
of twenty thirteen, yes, so many

465
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.559
media outlets were covering this, and
one in particular, I think it was

466
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:57.519
India's z News. They reported that
scientists and experts suspected that the UFOs were

467
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:02.119
simply, like we said, Chinese
lanterns as part of a psychological operation.

468
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:08.519
Now there's no idea here where this
information was coming from. But after this

469
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:15.519
story came out, other media organizations
seemed to accept that and just completely drop

470
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:22.119
the stories. They were identified they
were Chinese lanterns. But in the middle

471
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.360
of twenty thirteen, in July,
the Telegraph published an article asserting that the

472
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:34.639
UFOs still had experts baffled. So
they said that the director of the Indian

473
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.480
Institute of Astrophysics said they were still
unidentified. They were still investigating it.

474
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:44.719
They had no idea what they were. But previous articles had said that some

475
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:50.840
said they were Chinese lanterns. Some
also said that they were astronomical being a

476
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:55.480
planet, a planet that these people
misidentified. And I don't know why there

477
00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:00.800
would be one hundred planets crossing the
order there. And I don't know why

478
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.599
the Indian Astronomical Observatory, people who
saw these things with their own eyes,

479
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.920
by the way, would not understand
that they were looking at celestial objects.

480
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.639
And in fact, they specifically mentioned
when this story first broke that they had

481
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:19.559
ruled out celestial objects. So to
me, this is one very fascinating story.

482
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.480
There was never a conclusion to it, and just another example of media

483
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:30.159
going crazy and not following up on
sources not being very good in their reporting,

484
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.760
and people not looking back and looking
at the contradictions going on here and

485
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.840
starting to question, Hey, I
wonder which story is accurate, and why

486
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.639
aren't these people able to figure out
what's going on. These are military people,

487
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.840
these are astronomers and scientists all looking
at this pretty substantial UFO case.

488
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:52.159
And I was very frustrated by the
back and forth with inaccurate reporting. In

489
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.960
my case, Yeah, I think
I think that the final report on that

490
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:05.039
probably should have simply been nobody knows
for sure what these lights were, what

491
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:09.480
these objects were. We're not saying, we're not suggesting that there were alien

492
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:15.360
ships. All that we're saying is
and this is not said often enough.

493
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.280
Is we don't know? All right? I love that. Yeah, yeah,

494
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.159
I agree. And you know I
had seen the different stories and there

495
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.000
were small stories, but now that
you mentioned it, when you've put the

496
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.320
whole thing together, you're right,
this is a big story, and it

497
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.960
seems like because it's been coming up
for like the last year or so,

498
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.039
it might not have gone away.
I mean, we may hear some more

499
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.360
from it. I hope we do. And that's a problem with a lot

500
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.719
of these interesting cases, especially ones
that are in other countries. You know,

501
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:50.159
we'll hear a little bit from whatever
American press will pick up from foreign

502
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.840
sources, but then it kind of
dies and we don't know if it's in

503
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.559
local media and these other countries unless
we're specifically looking for it. But it

504
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.360
is hard to see if there's follow
up any of these foreign stories. I

505
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:07.719
mean, it's entirely possible too that
the powers that be in different countries are

506
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.480
actually pleased when these stories die out, and nobody really tries to push harder

507
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:19.039
to get information because some countries don't
want the real information to come out.

508
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.559
Yeah, you're such a conspiracy man. Oooh, I know that's why I'm

509
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:30.079
always dressed in black. Okay,
Mike n your turn. Okay, mind

510
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.000
the number one, and I'm gonna
do the top ones first, kids,

511
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.400
so we can get for me.
The number one story is the end of

512
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:43.719
the UK files. We got the
last batch of the UK files. It's

513
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.960
an end of an era. The
UK has been investigating UFO since nineteen fifty,

514
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.639
but that is finally all wrapped up. They're no longer doing it.

515
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.639
If you call the MOD right now
and say I saw a giant hovering UFO

516
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.840
and it just abducted my neighbors in
their house, they're going to say,

517
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.079
tough crap, call someone else,
we don't care. Have you tried?

518
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.239
Is that what they actually say?
What's that? Have you tried? Is

519
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.599
that what they actually say? Well, they've sent out memos that say that's

520
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:14.760
what they would say. I'm of
course elaborating, but they would say,

521
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:21.519
sorry, we don't investigate UFOs,
call your local authorities. So it's and

522
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.280
I think it's important too fold.
It's important because it's the end of an

523
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.599
era. The UK government's no longer
going to be looking at UFOs. We

524
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.400
finally have the last of their files. Are also no longer going to be

525
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.679
giving out any more files. According
to them, they've given all of their

526
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.039
UFO files are all out there,
leave us alone. And here again,

527
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.239
even though they blow it off and
say, look look at these files,

528
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.679
there's nothing interesting in them. There's
nothing that warrant us looking ato UFOs when

529
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.079
you look at the files themselves.
Yet again, this batch of files had

530
00:41:52.119 --> 00:42:00.519
a lot of really great interesting stories, the most interesting being a police sellers

531
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:06.920
several incidents of police kept helicopters having
UFOs come up. In one instance,

532
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:12.079
the UFO came up, flew around
it and kept flying kind of bugging it,

533
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:17.639
you know, and they people speculated
perhaps it was a remote control plane.

534
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.239
But come on, a remote control
plane chasing a police helicopter and flying

535
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:29.079
around it. The Airpox Board,
which we've heard about that investigates the nervouses,

536
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.039
looked into several of these and they
came up with unknowns and the mod's

537
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.719
responses on several of these were pretty
bad. One of them happened in Ireland,

538
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.800
and so they said, well that's
Ireland's problem. They essentially kept blowing

539
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.159
them off and said, well,
the local authority, somebody else should look

540
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.679
into this. It's not at But
even though there's these incredible reports. So

541
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.440
again, UK files are full of
some of the best UFO stories that have

542
00:42:53.519 --> 00:43:02.360
come out this year. And it's
the end of the UK UFO investigation history.

543
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.760
It's and then end of the era. Well, I know I am

544
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:12.159
entirely too optimistic, but I am
hopeful that we have not seen the end,

545
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.239
that in another couple of years they'll
release batches again of the same files.

546
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:22.159
But you know, we'll have phases
of files batches that come out that

547
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:27.800
are slightly less redacted, so we
get a little more information that's in those

548
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.320
files with less black marker over certain
Yeah. Maybe kind of like the FBI

549
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.480
did this year where they posted some
files and everybody thought they were just there

550
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.199
brand new, which they weren't.
They've been out for decades, but they

551
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.199
made a big deal out of them. Well, and let's not forget you

552
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.559
know, Alejandra, you just mentioned
the airpox board. You know, this

553
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:54.679
is a really interesting kind of a
follow up or update about the UK files.

554
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.119
Even though the UK officially got out
of looking in the UFOs in nineteen

555
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:07.239
sixty nine and they closed all their
investigation offices and facilities, what then happened

556
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:15.239
was the Civil Aviation authority in the
UK then turned to the Airpox Board and

557
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:22.000
said, you can have any sightings
now that deal specifically with airline encounters.

558
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.280
Well though the Airpot's Board has been
around for a while, right right,

559
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.639
anything new that they gave them,
anything new, But they're the moone standing

560
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.800
people looking into these funds that involved
near misses, right exactly, because the

561
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:40.639
Airpox Board specifically deals with near misses
between one aircraft and another aircraft and they

562
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:45.360
try and kind of sort out the
details. But they're also as part of

563
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.280
that, they're looking into things like
the case that you and I both recently

564
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:55.480
looked into about how airline pilots may
actually think that they're being buzzed or almost

565
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.719
on a collision course with something that's
not a conventional air craft, but it's

566
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.519
something else that scares them to the
point where they want to report it.

567
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.400
And then once the report is made
and the Airpox Board does all their investigation,

568
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.559
we don't get to see it or
hear about it for another six months

569
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.119
because it's like every five or six
months is when they release the information.

570
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.400
In my opinion, I think the
Airpox Board is one of the most exciting

571
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.679
groups out there right now because actively
investigating, doing full on investigations of these

572
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.119
near misses, and we're getting some
of the best information out of that,

573
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.239
I think. So I'm excited to
hear what else comes out of the Airpox

574
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.280
Board in the coming year. Yeah. I agree. And you know,

575
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.559
one of my biggest stories, not
for twenty thirteen, was for twenty twelve.

576
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.480
Was our friend Nick Pope, who
used to work with the Ministry of

577
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:52.199
Defense for a few years. He
was investigating UFO reports for the British government

578
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:59.639
and he told me about a thing
that they called spin and dirty tricks and

579
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.960
the that was, and I do
think it's worth mentioning here two years after

580
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.840
the fact, is that while he
was involved with the UFO investigations out there,

581
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:15.360
he was told specifically to downplay any
UFOs that came through his hands,

582
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:21.079
and to even ridicule the UFO reporters
if they had to, in order to

583
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.239
make the stories go away. And
I said, well, why would you

584
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:28.280
do that. That seems unethical.
He said, it's because there were too

585
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:36.679
many UFO reports that we actually couldn't
explain, and the government didn't want to

586
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:43.159
tell the public that there was something
operating in our skies that we couldn't explain

587
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:47.360
or control and so we had to
downplay everything and it was called spin and

588
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.280
dirty tricks and I never forgot that. Yeah, and I want to just

589
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:53.960
I guess to wrap this one up. I agree with you guys on the

590
00:46:53.960 --> 00:47:00.000
Air pro Sport. Really, it's
one of the loone governmental agencies there of

591
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:07.239
a large country where we're getting continued
investigation of some of these unknowns. And

592
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.840
like Lee mentioned, this actually made
it to my number six top of the

593
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.199
list. I think that London siding
where the pilots that he actually had to

594
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.599
physically dut which was investigated by the
airpop Sport, is one of the best

595
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.440
stories of the years also, so
that had made it to my list.

596
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.920
But now, Lee, what is
your next top story of Well, you

597
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:30.679
know this, this is next top
story. You know, we're all familiar

598
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.960
with this because of a man involved. Let me just mention his name,

599
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:43.280
retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Richard French. What I know, I know,

600
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.840
but but well listen for what it's
worth. This guy made my last two

601
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:53.079
years in a row top stories list. I mean, he's like the he's

602
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.559
he was the blue ribbon guy for
me for two years because, first of

603
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:02.960
all, you know, whether you
believe him or not, he claimed in

604
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.039
twenty twelve that there was not just
one crash at Roswell in nineteen forty seven,

605
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.199
but there were two crashes, and
in fact we shot them down.

606
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.079
And so, I, you know, on just the merits of who he

607
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.519
was in his background, I gave
him the benefit of the doubt, even

608
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.480
though he could never substantiate the story. And then all of a sudden in

609
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:30.920
twenty thirteen he comes roaring back,
you know, at the citizen Hearing Disclosure

610
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.559
of Disclosure in Washington, DC,
and he tells this incredible story about how

611
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.480
he was part of the Air Force
is Project Blue Book and he was sent

612
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:45.920
to Newfoundland to investigate two UFOs that
had reportedly submerged in water. And he

613
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:52.639
went there and he saw these two
circular craft under the water, and there

614
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.199
was like a crowd of one hundred
people there. He says that saw tou

615
00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:01.119
He saw three foot tall humanoids looking
like they were performing some repairs on one

616
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.519
of the ships. And the ship, like you know, gradually came out

617
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.880
of the water. It flew around
a little bit, came back, went

618
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.360
back underwater. The little creatures finished
the repairs and then both ships flew away,

619
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:14.920
and I'm going, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is

620
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.880
from a retired Air Force guy who
claims he was part of the Project Blue

621
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.599
Book. And I said to him, what kind of report did you file?

622
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.920
He said, well, it was
it was kind of a crappy report

623
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:30.199
because I was supposed to debunk UFO
reports at the time, and so I

624
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:35.679
debunked my own sighting. But okay, we gotta we gotta give him some

625
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.639
mention here, for I don't think
so at at least his creativity if he's

626
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.159
making this stuff off aulhandre No,
it's not creative at all. This is

627
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:51.360
I'm so disappointed that has made your
list because it it's so ridiculous, Possibly

628
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.880
because we have dozens of people coming
to us all the time who make these

629
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.320
crazy, wild claims. I mean, you probably get him. We get

630
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:05.880
emails every day from people making all
of these wilds things. He's no different

631
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.920
than any of the others. In
fact, we all have evidence of him

632
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:16.920
not being accurate whatsoever. He didn't
even know. This second case is a

633
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:23.679
rehashing of Shag Harbor with all of
the facts wrong, but the bare part

634
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.639
of the story. He says this
took place near in Nova Scotia, which

635
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.159
is near shag Harbor, but not
quite a year. That is quite a

636
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:36.719
little bit different. Otherwise, he
steals parts of the facts and stuff.

637
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.039
He didn't even know about shak Harbor
un till he came to our office and

638
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:45.599
Antonio showed him our magazine and said, look, we have one case of

639
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.880
shak Harbor in here. And Antonio
told him about it because he seemed real

640
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.239
interested. All of a sudden,
he's here at the Citizen hear and saying

641
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.480
he was part of it, but
he has his facts wrong on it.

642
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.760
Well, she said, I wrote
blue book. Blue Book was not a

643
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.559
book you write. It was a
bunch of cases. This is a guy

644
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:10.599
who was just talking and blabbing and
and it's just barely coherent. This is

645
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.679
one of these ridiculous, most ridiculous
things ever and does not belong on this

646
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:21.840
list. Well, I'll tell you
what if you know and I'm if I'm

647
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.199
wrong, then I'm the first to
admit it. Uh And and I would

648
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:31.199
say, you know, we should
we should combine our powers of investigation here

649
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:37.800
and do a definitive story and take
this guy down if if he's if he's

650
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:43.239
you know telling us, I don't
feel it's worse my time. If you

651
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.440
want to do it, go for
it. But I I don't have time

652
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:51.559
chasing all these people with their crazy
claims. I'd rather chase some of them

653
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.000
with the good stuff. But of
course, if you feel that it may

654
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:58.480
be credibles and then pursue it,
and I hope you I wish you all

655
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.000
the best. I mean, I
mean, I'm the When and Antonio Huns

656
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:07.880
first interviewed this guy a couple of
years ago, he was able to confirm

657
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.840
that the French was in fact with
the Air Force, that he had like

658
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:17.000
an amazing record in terms of how
many UH fighter pilot missions he'd been on.

659
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.639
I mean now he claimed to have
Phonne the most fighter pilot missions ever.

660
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:27.840
Yeah, which John Alexander said.
There's absolutely no way it was confirmed

661
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.639
he was a jet fighter pilot,
though, why I so, I guess

662
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:35.679
my biggest question is as we as
we leave him behind, is why do

663
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.840
why do any of us pay any
attention to a guy who's formerly with the

664
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.639
Air Force, who was a jet
fighter pilot, who comes out with these

665
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:47.039
kinds of stories. Why why do
we not let him tell a story and

666
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.559
let him Bury himself. Why why
do we why should we just disregard it

667
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.480
altogether? Well, we did,
and Antonio, I mean, we're the

668
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:59.199
ones who broke the story. Antonio
really was one to do the first interview,

669
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:04.440
and in the very first interview,
Antonio even mentioned he is h he

670
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.519
has reservations because a lot of his
facts were wrong. But here's the story

671
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:13.440
for what it is. I guess, I guess I think that it needs

672
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:17.679
more of a conclusion than just Antonio
saying I have reservations. We can't believe

673
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.679
this guy. I think that someone
should really put the whole thing to rest

674
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.800
so that he's not lingering anymore in
the mind. Right, you know?

675
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.719
So I may do that, and
please don't hate me if I do.

676
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.960
That sounds like a job for Lee
Spiegel. No, I'd never hate you,

677
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.760
Lese Spiegel. Oh, thank you, thank you. You guys are

678
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.000
my people. I want to hear
Jason, you didn't pipe in, pipe

679
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.079
in what it's signed for my next
story? We're running out of time.

680
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.400
We've got to get more stories.
And there were so many stories Jason the

681
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.159
fifth on that one, But go
ahead, Jason, what's your next one?

682
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.280
All right? Well, I know
Lee's gonna like this one. But

683
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:59.199
this is something that I get really
excited about, and I'm going to talk

684
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:05.559
about our friend, Professor Chantra wickremsinga
Ah. This is a guy who's very

685
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:12.719
controversial in his science. But back
in January of twenty thirteen, in the

686
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:17.599
Journal of Cosmology, he and his
colleagues published a paper claiming that they discovered

687
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:24.000
evidence of extraterrestrial life in a meteorite. It was fossilized extraterrest was fossilized diatoms,

688
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.519
which is a type of algae that
they claim they detected in this media

689
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:32.280
rite, therefore providing strong evidence to
support He's a big proponent of the theory

690
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.960
of pants spermia, the idea that
life can travel from world the world on

691
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:44.360
media riites and other things. But
they were pretty pretty confident that they discovered

692
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:51.039
extraterrestrial fossilized extraterrestrials in this media rite. That with some harsh criticism from other

693
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:57.599
scientists, but you know, he's
had many studies where he believes he's found

694
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:02.679
extraterrestrial life. And again in September
of twenty thirteen, who is part of

695
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:09.039
a team who believed they found extraterrestrial
life in a meteor shower debris they collected.

696
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.039
They sent up a balloon in the
stratosphere and it came down and they

697
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:19.360
had They claim they found small biological
organisms that could have only come from space.

698
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.800
So Chanda Mcgrahamsinger continues to be in
the news. He was in the

699
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:29.599
news of the year before and in
twenty thirteen claiming that we have indeed scientific

700
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:36.119
proof that extraterrestrial life exists. And
I give you Jason very high marks for

701
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:38.599
being the only person I know who
can actually pronounce his name. Yeah,

702
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.639
leave me. I did throw research
on that guy's name when I first wrote

703
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.840
about him, so yeah, you
know. And I think part of that

704
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:51.719
guy's team is this scientist Richard Hoover, who's going to be speaking at the

705
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.760
UFO Congress. I'm so excited to
hear from him because he's going to be

706
00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:00.800
renewing those cases. Because Richard Hoover, NASA scientist, he agrees with Chandra,

707
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:06.679
and he's part of the team where
they believe, yeah, we've already

708
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.239
got evidence of extraterreustrial life. Right. There have been a lot of a

709
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:15.519
lot of cases throughout history and sciences, scientists differing, and that's that's what

710
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.039
scientists do. I mean, scientists
are humans. We have different opinions,

711
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.880
and you see a lot of bickering
in science. I think a lot of

712
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:29.800
people in the UFO arena are under
the false assumption that mainstream science thinks one

713
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.239
way and the UFO community thinks the
other way. No, that's not true

714
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.639
at all. You have many scientists
who entertain extraterrustrial ideas, and you have

715
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:43.440
many mainstream scientists, and Richard Hoover
is a great example, a former NASA

716
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:50.599
astrobiologist and other scientists throughout history who
have said that data from from certain missions,

717
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.800
from various missions, have proved that
extraterrestrial life was discovered. And that's

718
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.440
what Hoover's going to discuss during his
talk with the International EUPO Congress, talking

719
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:04.280
about the the Viking missions from the
seventies and and different things where science mainstream

720
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:09.519
scientists have disagreed. But you know, there are certainly many on the side

721
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.639
that say data indicates that we've discovered
extraterrestrial life and on various various bodies in

722
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.119
our own solar systems. So it's
pretty ucita. You know, these kinds

723
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.719
of stories very closely parallel A lot
of the controversy that's going on now with

724
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:34.320
the whole DNA question about Bigfoot.
It's like we have skeptics and debunkers who

725
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.239
very easily jump at the facts of
things that are being analyzed and looked at

726
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:43.599
by scientists, and in order to
make the stories go away, the debunkers

727
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:46.760
will very easily say, oh,
those things that are coming from out of

728
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:53.039
space, somehow, they must have
been involved with human contamination once they were,

729
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:58.079
once they started looking at them like
the humans the scientists weren't wearing the

730
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:02.679
right kind of gloves. Any kind
of examination can destroy any possible evidence,

731
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.760
and they do the same thing with
bigfoot DNA analysis. All humans must have

732
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:13.719
somehow touched something or sneezed or whatever. That's like the new fallback thing for

733
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:19.000
debunker's human contamination. And it's pretty
valid it is, and it's certainly something

734
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.079
that needs to be considered and it
should be thrown out. But I agree

735
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:28.480
with you Lee, it's something that's
very, very too easily thrown out as

736
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:34.320
something to say this is definitive.
Of course, it's contamination. Dismissed next

737
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:39.920
without considering or looking further. I
think hardcore skeptics that the people who don't

738
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:45.639
want to entertain the extraterrestrial idea are
the ones who will throw that out as

739
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.960
the definitive end to that story and
they move on. Yep. So let's

740
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:57.320
move on ourselves, yes, to
get to more story. And here's my

741
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:04.280
number oh no, my number two
is the Peruvian government opening up their UFO

742
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.000
agency. Those guys, Yeah,
that's awesome. That's a big deal.

743
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:13.639
There's not many governments that have an
official UFO investigation organization. A lot of

744
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.320
people don't know that any government has
one. But now this is like the

745
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:22.800
force government to do that. So
that's that's a big deal. I think

746
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:30.360
you know, next le Well,
and you know, I believe that it

747
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:36.119
was at the citizen hearing on disclosure
in Washington where I think that the the

748
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.519
the men I'm talking about was was
a jet fighter for the Peruvian Air Force,

749
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.840
and that's I'm wrong about the actual
country. But he told the story,

750
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:50.920
a riveting story about how he as
as like the best jet fighter pilot

751
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.000
in that air force, was scrambled
in his jet to go up and to

752
00:59:54.119 --> 01:00:00.039
pursue and chase and try and bring
down an unexplained craft that was over the

753
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.800
air force base and his story was
unbelievable. I mean, really you could

754
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.519
have heard a pin drop as he
was telling it. It was so credible.

755
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:13.960
Yeah, and how he shot everything
he had at it after it wouldn't

756
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:19.639
acknowledge radio contact with him, and
he had missiles on his just aircraft that

757
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:25.440
he said the individual missile could bring
down big trucks. He shot like thirty

758
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.320
or forty of these missiles at this
craft and it never seemed to go anywhere

759
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.360
near it. And he had the
he was like the best fighter pilot.

760
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:38.800
He could take anything down. And
he had like an amazing dogfight with an

761
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:44.920
unexplained object. That was I think
one of the more credible stories of any

762
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:51.920
year, because nobody disbelieved him,
nobody discounted him. When he was debriefed

763
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.840
after the encounter. They looked through
all the files and all the pictures of

764
01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.159
known aircraft that could have those kinds
of capabilities that this craft head. They

765
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:04.840
couldn't find anything, I mean,
not even even if it was a test

766
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:10.440
aircraft from some other country. How
could it withstand the kind of missile attack

767
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:15.079
on it that this guy gave And
nobody could figure it out. And that

768
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.000
was like such an amazing story to
me. Yeah, they have about it,

769
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:21.480
have incredible cases. In fact,
they had some sightings out in a

770
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.719
rural town and the news went out
there and they got some UFO video themselves

771
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:30.360
and that's what spurned the group from
starting up again. So you have some

772
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:35.920
great stories. So what's your next
top twenty thirteen story? That would be

773
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.360
Jason, I think right now it's
you, mister Spiegel. Oh all right,

774
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:46.239
well I actually again it's not just
UFO related, but boy, it's

775
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:52.360
it's engaging, it's important, it
involved extraterrestrials. The I'd give praises to

776
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:59.840
the little spaceship that could called Kepler. I love Kepler. Yeah, I

777
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:07.639
mean, come on, Kepler discovered
so many planets. You know that Kepler

778
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:15.119
has discovered at least eight hundred new
possible planets and leading all astronomical scientists to

779
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:22.880
believe now that practically every star or
sun in our galaxy probably has planets around

780
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:29.119
them. I mean, amazing statistics. And in February of twenty thirteen,

781
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:36.360
scientists suggested that billions, not thousands, not millions of billions of Earth like

782
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:40.119
planets are much closer to reality than
we ever imagined. And that's like,

783
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.400
whoa I mean the whole thing about
how the late Carl Sagan would say,

784
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:49.480
if we're the only ones here,
what a waste of space there is out

785
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:54.039
there? Well in our galaxy alone, And we now know that there are

786
01:02:54.039 --> 01:03:00.119
probably billions of galaxies. The numbers
are staggering. That the numbers of Earth

787
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:06.760
wife planets that might have life and
might have intelligent life in our galactic neighborhood

788
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:15.079
is staggering. And so if UFOs
are if some UFOs not all, of

789
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.119
course, if some UFOs may be
traveling here from other places, there are

790
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:23.000
potentially a lot of places they could
be coming from if they figured out how

791
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.400
to do it right. And I
think largely thanks to Kepler, you know,

792
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:32.000
we're hearing a lot more discussion about
habitable worlds, places where life could

793
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.880
exist. And even in December there
were Congressional hearings on extraterrestrial life. So

794
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.880
this is becoming a very hot topic
in mainstream science. So it's getting to

795
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:46.360
be very exciting. Many more missions
are underway, many more tools are being

796
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:52.639
implemented here. And yeah, I
mean I think within the next ten years.

797
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.480
I'll say a lot of scientists say
it's next twenty years, but I

798
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.360
think within the next ten years,
mainstream science will have definitive proof of extra

799
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:05.559
trustrial life. Oh I agree,
And I think even now the public really

800
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:12.440
is excited about how many planets.
Absolutely it has actually been discovered. I

801
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.920
mean, people love this stuff.
And ten years ago, maybe longer,

802
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.760
but around ten you know, when
I was a kid, certainly when said

803
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:24.239
he started up, they were seeing
this fringe. Now it's like the topic.

804
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.039
It's yeah, the big story in
science. So I say, go

805
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.079
Kepler, we love you right,
good one league, you redeemed yourself from

806
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:34.719
your life. Fun. Well,
I hate to be a downer, but

807
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:43.360
Kepler is being retooled because he's broken. But he's got some friends going up

808
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.960
there. Yeah yeah, and he's
gonna his mission is being repurposed. He

809
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:50.119
can't do exactly what he was doing
before, but we have new and better

810
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:55.920
telescopes getting out there, so his
mission that he started will go on.

811
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.239
How dare you? Kepler's the best? No one's better than kem It's cool.

812
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.480
But all right, well I'll jump
onto my next story here, and

813
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.280
I'll just cram a bunch of things
together and kind of group it all into

814
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:10.400
an overall. Man. It certainly
seemed to be the year of Area fifty

815
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:15.480
one was in so many different stories. I mean, first of all,

816
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.400
it was officially acknowledged by the CIA, so Area fifty one now officially exists.

817
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:26.719
But there were also stories about element
one fifteen. How they're you know

818
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.639
that that's waiting to be confirmed,
but they're closer to confirming the existence of

819
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.800
element one fifteen. So a lot
of people were saying, oh, yeah,

820
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:38.880
Bob Blazaar, you know, his
his uh, his stories are being

821
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:44.360
confirmed, and but you know,
element fifteen one. The theories behind that

822
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.760
existed before Bob Blazaar, of course, but then we got the news that

823
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:54.800
or what Bob Blazar is currently up
to you with his current company what is

824
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.039
it, United Nuclear? I forget
what it it's called, But he also

825
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.960
apparently has a has military contracts or
contract with what was the company, Alejandro.

826
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.960
I think it was Halliburton maybe,
but yeah, some sort of contract

827
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:15.280
for government work. And then Obama
the first president to mention Area fifty one

828
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.400
during a speech. So, I
mean Area fifty one kept popping up all

829
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:20.960
over the place this year. Yeah, that's a good one. I think.

830
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:24.960
You know a lot of people are
like, well, we already knew

831
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.000
about Area fifty one. Well,
we did, but there was still that

832
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:32.119
edge of skepticism. And it's confirming. And I got this, you know

833
01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:36.519
from the interviews from mainstream people,
is that now that it's out, now

834
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:41.960
that it's been declassified, that is
a big deal. It's a game changer

835
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.679
because it's been around for decades and
but it hasn't been acknowledged and now it

836
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.119
finally is. So yeah, that's
a big deal. Yep. Your next

837
01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:55.360
story, Elandro, My next story. My next story was just above Area

838
01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:00.760
fifty one. My third story,
and Lee mentioned it is the citizen Hearings.

839
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:05.760
I do have that as my number
three because you know, I don't

840
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.559
know if it was ran the way
I would have done it, if I

841
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.480
would have maybe a different group of
people there or whatever. And I know

842
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.960
we probably all feel like that in
the field, if I would have done

843
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.840
it this way or that way,
and if I would have done it,

844
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:18.679
a lot of people, you guys
might have felt that, say, oh

845
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.079
you should have done this, you
should have done that. But you know

846
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:26.719
what, he pulled it off,
Stephen Bassett pulled it off. It got

847
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.320
a lot of press. You had
Mike Gavell, who was one of his

848
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:36.039
retired you know politicians going out to
the news and talking about UFOs and talking

849
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:40.840
about how he believes in UFOs and
everything. So this thing, I think

850
01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:45.239
made a lot of news and it
got a lot of information out and so

851
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.000
it didn't create congressional hearings, which
was his ultimate goal, but that's kind

852
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.480
of shooting for the moon type of
thing. But you know what it did

853
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.840
accomplish a lot, and it's you
know, Lee are the perfect person to

854
01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:01.280
talk to about it because you were
live streaming, watching it and live texting

855
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:06.440
and reporting on it. But the
citizen cheering is mine. That was Besides

856
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:11.559
the Dick French presentation there, a
lot of the others were really impressive.

857
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.280
Yeah, I know, and I
did a live blog, as you said,

858
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:19.239
every day of it, and many
of the speakers, they set it

859
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.800
up as if it was a real
congressional hearing even though it wasn't. There

860
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:29.039
were these six retired members of Congress
who were listening to testimony. For the

861
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.720
most part, a really interesting group
of international people coming together in Washington to

862
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:39.560
tell their stories. There were some
people whose I wouldn't even call it testimony,

863
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.079
and I didn't think they should be
there because it was just boring.

864
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.720
But then there were others, like
some of the folks from the South American

865
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.720
countries who would come to talk about
credible things going on in South America.

866
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:56.439
I think I think the press,
for the most part, gave it a

867
01:08:56.479 --> 01:09:00.880
good shake. A lot of the
media kept referring to it as a mock

868
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.800
hearing, and it's never going to
go anywhere, even though I know that

869
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:10.520
they would still like to try and
bring the efforts of this to the attention

870
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.720
of the United Nations. But I
get Steve Bassett a lot of credit for

871
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.560
organizing it. It couldn't have been
an easy job for him to do to

872
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.640
get all these people together and to
keep them all together in one place.

873
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:27.560
So yeah, I think that they
did a really good job. They focused

874
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:33.039
public attention on it, and I
think we should have more sessions like that

875
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:38.800
more, even if they're mock congressional
sessions. We need more of that to

876
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.920
maintain some credibility about UFOs and to
keep it in the public spotlight. You

877
01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:47.159
know, not everybody heard about the
citizen hearing, but a lot of people

878
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:51.680
did, and certainly a lot of
people outside the UFO field. So the

879
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:57.079
more you can do these things to
bring it into the public spotlight the more

880
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:01.239
I think you get people to start
looking into for themselves and understanding the reality

881
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:05.239
of the situation. So I agreely, I think we need more and I

882
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:09.079
think the said is hearing you know
for what it for what it was,

883
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:11.760
it did a good job. Yeah, you know, way to go,

884
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.760
Stephen Backett. And this is one
of the first stories where we've even mentioned

885
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.720
someone in the UFO field. So
you know, uh, this is something

886
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:25.479
where someone in the UFO field did
something that that went somewhere in Good job,

887
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.680
Steve, you know, we go, Steve. Yeah, so we

888
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:30.640
I think we do. We got
time for one more? Do you got

889
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.159
time to give us one more?
Let me? Let me give you one.

890
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:39.399
That kind of started formulating into my
mind as the year ended, and

891
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:45.600
that was the years beginning was what
I thought was the amazing news of how

892
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:54.479
President Obama's latest appointed consultant is former
White House Chief of Staff John Podesta.

893
01:10:55.039 --> 01:11:00.399
Now there was an interesting story Podesta, who in recent years has been very

894
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:06.960
public about his belief that the government
has been hiding information about UFOs and UFO

895
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:12.279
resource and the government must come clean
with this information to the public because the

896
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:16.920
public can handle the information, and
you know, there's nothing more important than

897
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.720
truth in government, and he's been
challenging the government to come forward with the

898
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:26.840
UFO stuff. And now here,
all of a sudden, he's the President's

899
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.479
a new consultant. He has the
president's ear. So I'm going to be

900
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:38.319
very curious now to see if he
does anything with this power that he seems

901
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:43.039
to have of the president's ear.
Is he going to suggest to Obama that

902
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:46.680
Obama as a way of increasing his
own popularity, because his popularity is at

903
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:53.000
an all time role, will he
suggests that Obama release information about UFOs.

904
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:55.359
I mean, wouldn't you like to
be a fly on the wall in some

905
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:59.159
of those discussions at the White House? That would be fun. I mean,

906
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:04.159
we don't have any indication at Obama's
been interested in UFOs. Bedesta was

907
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:11.880
part of Clinton administration, yeah,
and was very into UFOs and even admittedly,

908
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:16.039
you know, pursued UFO information and
he didn't get too far. So

909
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:18.920
I don't know if he'll bring up
UFOs. But you're right, it is

910
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:25.520
a big deal. It's cool that
it demonstrates that a UFO buff can still

911
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:30.319
you know, just because you're a
UFO enthusiast doesn't mean your credibility is completely

912
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.600
out of the window. You can
still be an advisor to the president or

913
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.239
absolutely. Yeah, that's a great
point, because you know, he's not

914
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:42.760
somebody who has this this secret,
kind of light casual interest in the subject,

915
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.960
who's been very vocal about it.
You know, he wrote the forward

916
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:50.960
to one of the best UFO books
ever, Leslie Kyne's book about UFO's pilots

917
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:56.279
five and officials go on the record. So yeah, you're right. Not

918
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.439
everybody who talks about UFOs is blacklisted
and considered a weirdo one can't get a

919
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.760
job. I mean, this guy
is working for the president. So yeah,

920
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:08.119
that's why I think this whole Podesta
thing, with his background in UFOs

921
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:12.079
and now he's with Obama, I
think that that's going to cause us to

922
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.199
think about what kind of story we
want to write going into the rest of

923
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.720
the year, because it's it is
a story, even if we don't hear

924
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:24.840
anything about it. The question is
why why haven't we even heard anything from

925
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:29.520
Podesta's office or camp. I would
like to interview Puedesta at some point and

926
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.159
ask him some of these questions,
hopefully, and then I'll and then I'll

927
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:38.279
just give it all to you.
Excellent, we'll we'll plagiarize that story from

928
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.920
you then. Okay, all right, well I think you're out of time.

929
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.880
You got to run rightly. Yeah, I'm heading to another appointment right

930
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:49.840
now. All right, Well,
thanks so much for joining us. This

931
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:54.119
was a lot of fun and we
hit on you know, a lot of

932
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.439
what was on my list for the
top story I think, and you guys

933
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.079
thought us something I didn't even think
of, which is fun. So it

934
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:03.079
was really cool. Thanks so much
for joining us, Lee, Well,

935
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:08.960
I appreciate it, and thank you
for just only knocking me down on the

936
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.960
Richard French story. I mean,
I mean, yeah, I knew you

937
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:15.880
had to do it, but hey, yeah, I had to be true

938
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.680
to myself too. Well, of
course, and how fun would it be

939
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.520
if we all just sat here and
nod our heads and go, oh yeah,

940
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:27.359
I agree. Yeah. Okay,
so well done, guys. Yeah,

941
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:30.039
all right, So we'll get together
next year and do the same thing,

942
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.680
right, all right, same time, same bad channel, next year.

943
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:36.720
All right, Thank you guys.
All right, thank you to Jason

944
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:42.399
and to the always wonderful Lee Spiegel. Of course, we give each other

945
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:47.319
a lot of correp but that's because
we we love each other so much,

946
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:53.920
so that was a lot of fun. As you've heard a lot of really

947
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:59.399
interesting stories in twenty thirteen, so
really exciting. And you know, one

948
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:04.039
of the things we haven't mentioned is
there was some other things done by people

949
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:09.920
in the field, such as people
writing books and a lot of the authors

950
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:12.640
and some of the best books,
really the best books I think they come

951
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:17.640
out in the last year on UFOs. We have those authors speaking at the

952
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:23.399
UFO Congress this year, and you
want to register as student as possible because

953
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:27.199
the conference is just a month away, and if you register right now,

954
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:29.920
you know you're going to get a
discounted price and if you show up at

955
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:34.279
the door, So just go to
Ufocongress dot com. But Timothy Good he

956
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:38.840
wrote a new book. He's a
long time researcher out of the UK.

957
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:44.840
He'll be there talking about his book
on alien contact. We have David Marler

958
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:49.800
who wrote a book about triangular UFOs
and I am really impressed with his book

959
01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:55.600
because he went back into the record
to find out that the trianglear UFO phenomena

960
01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.359
goes all the way back like into
the eighteen hundred. Really interesting stuff that

961
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:04.159
he found. I think it's about
time someone went in and looked at that

962
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:10.039
phenomena in particular, so he's going
to be there. Also, another guy

963
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:14.239
who wrote a book is Don Schmidt. So Don Schmidt of course is like

964
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:19.760
the main Roswell UFO researcher and out
there right now. Of course, Santon

965
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.600
Friedman did a lot of work in
the past, but he's kind of carrying

966
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:27.840
the baton and continuing to do work
with his partner Tom Carey, and they

967
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:31.359
wrote a book this year called Inside
the Real Area fifty one and it's about

968
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:36.079
Right Patterson Air Force Base, and
of course the rumors are that that's where

969
01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:41.920
the UFO was taken from Roswell,
and that's what he argues. So he

970
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:46.680
brings up a lot of really interesting
stuff about Right Patterson and how that's really

971
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:54.079
the top secret place where all of
the cool stuff is being hidden. So

972
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:57.840
those are some of the authors from
last year with some really cool stuff out.

973
01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.000
Some of the other authors, like
already six Killer Cards. She talks

974
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:09.840
about negative American legends of the star
people and a lot of anecdotes that way,

975
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:14.560
which is always really interesting and I
think pretty much most of our speakers

976
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:18.760
have written books so really exciting stuff. So this is another book too I

977
01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:23.840
think was really cool, which is
The UFO Enigma by Robert Schroeder, where

978
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:30.119
he kind of theorizes how the UFOs
might operate. And he's got a background

979
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.720
in science, so that makes that
really interesting. But don't forget to come

980
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:40.000
and join us for the UFO Congress
just at Ufocongress dot com and go register

981
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:44.920
right now and go do that right
now. I'm not kidding. Hurry up,

982
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:47.680
all right, Well, thank you
all again for listening to the show.

983
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:53.239
Don't forget. You can go to
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984
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.479
and get a free one month trial
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985
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.399
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986
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go down that, load that and
listen to that. Lots of really

987
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:08.439
cool stuff there and why not try
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988
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:12.159
audibletrial dot com for it's las UFO
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989
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.000
course you can read all of the
UFO news stories that we talked about at

990
01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:20.720
Openminds dot tv. You can also
watch our YouTube where we have lots of

991
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:25.279
cool stuff up there. We have
a really neat case out of San Antonio,

992
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:30.880
Texas. Maricio Ruis, you might
remember his name. He had this

993
01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.720
incredible video in the past and he's
got some new sightings that we put up

994
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:39.800
a video on that. And then
of course biweekly we have Jason and Maureen

995
01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:44.840
talking about UFO news on Spacing Out. So open Minds dot tv and go

996
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.520
look at open Minds TV on YouTube. Again, thank you all so much

997
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.760
for listening, and thank you to
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998
01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:57.640
Caleb Hanks for the opening music and
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999
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.920
hope you all have a wonderful week
and we will talk to you next week.

1000
01:19:01.399 --> 01:20:00.319
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