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M The following presentation is in now
Marvin Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers

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from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the flat Earth Earth

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Files. As we're recording on this
Sunday evening, May fourteenth, twenty twenty

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three. Hope everybody is off to
a good week. As we're recording,

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it's actually Sunday night. This is
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it's being released. And again I
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it's the flat Earth Files dot Com. I've had a lot of request

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to add a page to the website
and to link many of the videos that

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we talk about. I get a
lot of questions and I will refer people

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to videos because it's a lot easier
to say, hey, this video kind

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of explains what I think instead of
trying to answer like there's some very difficult

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questions to answer in the form of
an email. So hope, I was

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hoping to this weekend, but obviously
a little busy, but I will hopefully

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by midweek, hopefully by the time
this podcast drops, have that added to

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the website. And then if there
are certain videos that you think would benefit

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the masses, shoot me an email
with a link and we'll get it on

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the website to benefit everybody. So
we'll make it a one stop destination for

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knowledge and you know, having a
conversation with like minded people. And also,

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don't forget drop us an email.
It is the flat Earth Files at

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gmail dot com if you would like
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Wyoming is tonight again, It's the
flat Earth Files at gmail dot com.

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We are currently setting up our June
schedule. Don't forget. We'll be on

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a little bit of a hiatus from
Memorial Day weekend till about the end of

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the first week of June. But
I think I'm going to try to schedule

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it so you don't notice it too
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week and space them out here on
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dry well for for you know,
week a week to ten days. So

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you won't really notice that we're on
hiatus. Very shortly. We'll be booking

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for July, because I'm just about
booked for June. So if you'd like

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to come on, start sending those
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The Flat Earth Files at gmail dot
com. All right. Joining us tonight

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from the great state of Wyoming is
Kevin. He reached out to us a

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few weeks ago and he is full
of knowledge, biblical knowledge, and is

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a big nine to eleven Truther as
well. And we'll get to that a

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little later. But um, let's
welcome Kevin to the show. Kevin,

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how are you doing, sir?
Now, I'm good, really excited for

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this. Hey, everybody, just
thank you for having me on to George.

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This is this is awesome. Yeah, it's great. Um. We

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had a little conversation beforehand, and
I think we're going to have just a

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tremendous podcast. If you will introduce
yourself to the folks. Hey, I'm

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Kevin. I live in Wyoming.
I lived in Wyoming all my life.

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I'm thirty two this year, have
a wife, one year old daughter.

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Um, just thankful to be alive
in these times. It's kind of crazy

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with everything going on especially things that
have happened within the past twenty years,

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even when I was when I was
ten. It's and then just figuring out

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things like baby step by baby step, and that's that's kind of all I

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can I can say is that it
just takes baby steps to figuring out this

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stuff because there's there's so many questions
out there, and it's it's hard to

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find what's real and what's not.
So um just been a truth seeker for

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a little bit, been a Christian
my whole life, and just trying to

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discern what's real and go by God's
word to see where it leads me.

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Indeed, you know, you have
to crawl before you can walk, and

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I think that resonates with the truth
community as well. Once you start going

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down a rabbit hole and you become
kind of a new truth or you immediately

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want all the answers right away.
But I think and you may feel the

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same way. I think there's a
certain order of truth because it can be

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overwhelming if you realize, like if
somebody would have thrown flat Earth at me

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right after Iraq at nine to eleven, I think it would have been too

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much. I think easing your way
into certain truths and allowing the rabbit holes

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to connect, because that's how it
really worked for me. I would I

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went deep down into nine to eleven, and that really connects with so many

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other rabbit holes, and then as
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it's just it's really a big spider
web, is what it is. Yeah,

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definitely odd. Nine to eleven was
my like I, like I spoke

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to in the pre interview, nine
to eleven is kind of like my baby,

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with the way that everything conspired and
the way it's kind of a funny

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story. Actually, me and my
family were on vacation in Hawaii and two

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thousand and who I want to say, two thousand and eleven, two thousand

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and twelve, I can't remember the
exact year, but when it was at

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night, we kind of just started
to relax in our condo and flipping through

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the channels, and all of a
sudden, there was this documentary about nine

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to eleven. And it wasn't one
of the typical documentaries. It was one

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that was kind of exposing the truth
of nine to eleven. And I found

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that I didn't find that odd in
the time. I found it odd right

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now with them, you know,
broadcasting that on on television back then,

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but a lot of the stuff they
were saying made made quite a bit of

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sense. So that's when I would
say that my eyes were opened two kind

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of the deceptions of the world,
the mainstream media, all that kind of

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stuff. So that's kind of where
my journey began. Was just, you

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know, sitting in a condo in
Hawaii on vaccasion, seeing this documentary play

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out on TV about you know,
the most atrocious act you know that's happened

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in in my lifetime anyways, So
that's insane that you saw that on vacation

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in Hawaiian, you know, at
a condo. This wasn't like a YouTube

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video or this was an actual was
it like loose Change? Do you remember

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the documentary? I can't. I've
been I've been rattling my brain so hard

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over the past few weeks trying to
remember what the document Henry was. And

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that's why I asked you for any
additional documentaries that you had, because coming

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by stuff nowadays is just so hard
with all the censorship, and you can't

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find anything on YouTube. You can't, it's just it's nearly impossible. So

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yeah, it was. I mean
I even asked my mom and dad about

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a week ago. I was like, hey, do you remember when we

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were in Hawaii and we were just
relaxing in our condo after a long day

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and scrolled across this this documentary about
nine to eleven and what really could have

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happened? And they were like,
yeah, we remember watching that. And

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my mom really wasn't invested in it
at that time because she was she's she

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was kind of iffy on that.
But me and my dad sat there and

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watched it for a little bit and
neither one of them knew. I still

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can't find because I figured something would
have, you know, juggled in my

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brain to remember which one it was, but I can't remember. But it

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was going through you know, it
was going through the controlled demolition process.

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It was going through the Bush and
Cheney administration, and um, how al

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Qaeda and all of them weren't behind
it, and how the nineteen hijackers weren't

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behind it. It was. It
was very odd, but uh yeah,

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this was broadcast on UH on public
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to say it was around twenty eleven, twenty twelve, so so you would

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have been eighteen, nineteen years old. At that time. Yeah, that's

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maybe what are the odds, um
and maybe you would have have woken up

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down the road, But to be
in Hawaii at that particular time to find

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that particular program, it's it's so
funny how how the world works and how

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God works like that. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. I I watched that,

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and you know, it kind of
struck with me because you know,

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I'm just a you know, kind
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twenty year old kid. Yeah,
and it uh, but it made sense.

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And then you know, life continues
on and kind of slips by the

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wayside and you don't really think about
anything until maybe months or years later on,

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and then you know, other stuff
starts to hit you too, like

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like flat Earth and JFK and just
a just a multitude of stuff starts to

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hit you and wondering what the true
narrative actually is behind this stuff. Now.

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But by the way, before I
forget, I know, people like

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to go to bitch Shoot and Rumble, you know, these alternative websites.

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But even I think bitch Shoot has
become a little bit censored lately. There

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is a pretty neat website and I
think it maybe at one time David Weiss

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had something to do with this.
Maybe I don't know. But if you

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go to Stop Lookthink dot com,
there's even a thing on the top September

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eleventh videos click here, and there
is a pretty fair amount of information on

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nine to eleven on that website.
And I say that there's a lot of

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a lot of videos on that website. So again checkout Stop Loookthink dot com

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and they have flat Earth nine to
eleven and the COVID scammed emic and everything

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else that you can think of on
that website. Did you, you know,

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talking about your your awakening and your
journey to the truth. Did you

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come upon the moon landing before you
came upon flat Earth? I think it

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was kind of intertwined with you each
other. They were um because, like

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I was telling you in that first
email, it I was I was searching

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on TikTok and all of a sudden, just out of know where, something

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about biblical truth popped up. And
you know, I've been a Christian my

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whole life. But something about churches
these days, they don't really preach about

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the creation. They don't. It's
just I don't know, I don't know

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their process in and doing a lot
of this stuff. But anyways, I've

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never heard anything about the creation and
how he created everything. I mean,

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I've read Genesis, but never heard
any you know, any teachings on it.

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But I started to go down the
and it kind of makes me laugh

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of all things that TikTok truth rabbit
hole. So um, I started to

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see you know, weather balloons being
sent up one hundred and one hundred and

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twenty thousand feet with a flat horizon. And then I started to see some

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with NASA and their great deception with
the moon landing, and even with buzz

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All Drinks slipping up a few times
and saying that he's never been to the

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moon and yeah, we'd never have
done this or never done that. It

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was kind of intertwined with one another
with figuring out flat Earth and figuring out

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NASA's lies over over what it seems
to be probably what fifty sixty years now.

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Yeah, and you would think if
we actually had a real media that

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wasn't controlled by the the you know, the controllers at the top of the

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puppeteers, the two particular videos,
you think they would have grabbed and it

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would have been on the six o'clock
New was one would have been Don Pettit

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just the ridiculousness of what we had
the technology. But you know, Jim

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lost the password to the lock and
it got stolen and it was you know,

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it was hocked at a punch shop
in Houston, down the road from

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here. Yeah, yeah, go
ahead. All the evidence has been destroyed,

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all the technology has been destroyed.
It's yeah, it's yeah. That

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was that one. That one made
me laugh for sure. Yeah. Again

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the only time in history that technology
has gone backwards. But the other one

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that really should have been leading the
six o'clock news was buzz saying, well,

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it didn't happen that way when he
was having I think you were alluding

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to when he was having the conversation
with that young lady, right, yes,

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yes, the little girl where Yeah, And of course even if it

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did, they would probably say,
well he's he's in his nineties, and

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you know he didn't really mean what
he said, right yeah, yeah.

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What was there a particular piece of
information when you were looking at the moon

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landing, when you were like,
wow, this is really like with many

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people for flat Earth, that was
the curve for me, excuse me,

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with the moon landing, it was
the shadow is going in multiple different directions.

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Was there something that really grabbed you
when you were looking at that?

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No, I don't know if there
was any one thing that kind of grabbed

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me. It was just it was
the multitudes of things. The shadows,

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like I said, I I was
a photographer for a while, which you

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know, stuff like that doesn't work
that way, The lighting shadows, the

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crater that should have been left when
they took off, you know, leaving

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their cameraman behind, stuff like that, the reflections in their in their visors

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with not having clear vice, there's
nobody seeing anybody's face. And then just

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you know, wondering, you know, who took the first steps on the

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moon? Was it the cameraman or
was it you know, somebody else because

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it's and then just you know,
hearing about I'm having a brain fart now

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with who who supposedly directed it?
Oh yeah, but um, and then

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seeing photos of Kubrick and the astronauts
together and then a few other people together,

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and then hearing testimonies of other people
who who were involved in some of

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that stuff. It's just it was
kind of like a just a montage of

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stuff that kind of hit me that
it was like, Okay, well,

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this didn't happen. And then you
look back at the the biblical side of

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it too, and it's just like, Okay, you know this, this

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definitely couldn't have happened. So yeah, so you know, you've been a

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Christian all your life, was there
ever a point in time prior to being

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awakened to the flat Earth where you've
read the word firmament in Genesis and you

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stopped and thought and actually thought about
that word, because I know I didn't.

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No, I didn't either, And
that's the thing. It's just like

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I was saying about the Church,
they don't their their main thing is,

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you know, they touch on some
stuff in the Old Testament, but it

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seems like to me that they teach
heavily on the New Testament and very slightly

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on the Old. And I never, from my memory, I can't remember

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anything about tearing sermons or speeches about
you know, the creation and about Genesis

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or at least you know, the
first half of Genesis per se. But

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it didn't it didn't click for me. It. I didn't start reading heavily

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into the Old Testament until after,
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hole. So I used to read
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but I've never dived deep into,
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a whole. So reading the the
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some some things for me because you
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it states the firmament. And I
I figured out what the firmament was

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through through TikTok and through other other
Flatters videos, And that's that's kind of

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sad when you when you proclaim to
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your whole life, and then you
know something that's right there in the the

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first six seven verses of the Bible
in his states the firmament, depending on

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you know, what translation you have, because that word was changed in multiple

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translations, but it's it's right there, and you know, just the normal

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person nowadays might not know what the
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and actually see what information there is
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it was. It was a complete
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thought about it. I always thought
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ball going through space, and that's
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word for it, and the history
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books word for it, because that's
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know, twelve to sixteen years,
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is funny when you sit back and
think about it. By the way,

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for those who are looking for alternative
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X and Brave is actually a very
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if you put something in Google and
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yandex you'll see a couple similarities,
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Google is just going to lead you
to what they want you to to see,

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just like a YouTube in their algorithm. Yeah. Yeah, and that's

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one thing that I've had a lot
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think it's kind of comical at to
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guess TikTok is the same as all
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that I've seen where you know,
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it wouldn't even be days later and
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kind of this similar thing with YouTube
to where people keep uploading videos getting censored

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and then they'll just make a completely
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see, and then they get taken
down again. So yeah, Google,

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is that's a whole nother rabbit hole
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is, And um, I'm going
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be breaking down. Um, there's
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there was something around by DARPA called
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Can they shut it down literally the
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day Facebook takes off and everybody's introduced
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Mark Zuckerberg, And of course just
another coin for the coincidence, jar

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I guess, yeah, so yeah, And I just thought it was interesting

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that the golden age of YouTube was
about twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen and people

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would be able to upload stuff without
as much sensorization, and you know,

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that was one of the times where
flat Earth was actually at the top of

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the search results along with you know, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton because that's

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when the election was going on,
so I mean it was it was pretty

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far up there. And then it's
just I don't know if they got they

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got wind of a lot of this
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goes along with nine to eleven too, because that's, uh, that's another

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big one that's being censored. Nine
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the top censored things out there when
it comes to when it comes to video

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and information. So it was just
crazy to figure out that flat earth was

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at the top of the search results
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and then they got wind of it, and then Google acquired YouTube, and

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all of a sudden, it's no
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to YouTube and put in flat earth, now you just debunked, debunk debunk

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right then. Yeah. Actually,
the treat to YouTube, what I'll tell

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you, is put in whatever you're
searching for and then go into you know

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how you can manipulate the search and
do it by date and you may not

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get exactly what you want right away, but you'll get a whole different look

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at things. That's how I usually
find videos on YouTube. But it's interesting

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if you look at like there's truth
or websites that's been around for ten years

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and kind of abandoned, and you'll
see like check out these videos and they're

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all removed, removed, removed,
you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,

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they've just killed all these videos.
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that way with looking up as as
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of interested to try that now.
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even put flat earth. I'll do
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Neil de grass Tyson grand Hancock debunks
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where nearly everyone believe that Earth isn't
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normy and you just maybe you were
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you say you go to YouTube and
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first three intros, you're like,
I'm out of here. But if you

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click on filters and hit upload date, you'll see what is the firmament Biblical

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flat Earth explained, and you'll start
seeing there's a flat Earth discord Live AI

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debunks NASA space balloons. So of
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because there's a lot of people who, for one reason or another spend their

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time going after flat earthers, which
I mean, it's their time, their

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thing, but hey, there you
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by upload date, you'll have a
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Okay, yeah, I never thought
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we flat Earth? What? When? Where did you discover? I guess

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I've even asked you that. How
did you come out on the flat earth

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rabbit hole? Um? It was
on TikTok with one of those biblical Oh

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that's where you did mention that yet, yeah, videos, and it had

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the voice overlays of you know,
flatter Dave and then Eric Dubai and um,

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it was. It was very because
I was just a little bit of

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FYI. I was on lockdown for
covid I got covid um in uh late

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twenty twenty one and had to stay
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it was it was. It was
a crazy time. A lot of stuff

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was revealed in that week. I
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for for discernment, for for for
God yahweh to open my eyes to to

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certain things. And then it kind
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being sent up one hundred thousand,
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any curve. And then they were
quoting scripture and there was some one there

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by Eric Dubai the what is it, the two hundred or one hundred proofs

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and then um, yeah, it
was. It was a crazy week for

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me. It was because I think
that happened on the first or second day

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of me staying home, and then
every day my wife would get home from

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work, I'd have something new,
would do shower, and it was just,

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uh, it was. It was
a crazy experience having, um,

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having all this shown to you and
then not realizing that that everything in front

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of you is either here to deceive
you or to push a narrative. And

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honestly, it sucks so bad to
say that. It sucks that. You

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know, people go to school,
you know, kids go to school every

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single day of the school year and
are taught and forced to to learn this

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stuff and just to have it regurgitated
through them and where there's it couldn't be

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farther from the truth. And that's
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as these these kids going to school, these people in college still being indoctrinated.

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I use it so much now,
but it's the truth. And you know,

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seeing all this, seeing the seeing
all of the experiments that the actual

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scientists do and actually did from the
and I forget their names. I had

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had some notes written down, but
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late eighteen hundreds to current time now, like Airy's failure, and it's just

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it's just appalling to me that,
you know, I figure this stuff out

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and it rattles, it rattles your
reality. And some people don't want anything

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to do with it. They look
at it like it's hokum and they just

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toss it aside. But it's it's
just incredible now with looking out at at

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God's creation for what it truly is, because I had never looked at it

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like that before. I had always
looked at it like, Okay, you

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know, I'm a I'm just a
kid, this is just another day,

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or you know, I'm a young
adult, this is just another day.

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Gotta go make money, gotta you
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you know, you figure this out, or you see actuable scientific experiments being

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played out or had had already been
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we don't go anywhere, we don't
move. You know, there's a

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firmament, there's you know, Operation
Fishbowl, There's all these kinds of things

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that you can research and look into, and it just it kind of shakes

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me, and it truly breaks my
heart for for people that even my dad's

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age, my dad's going to be
sixty, and he wants he wants nothing

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to do with it. He doesn't
want to listen to me, he doesn't

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want to do anything of the sort. And it just it breaks my heart

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that these millions and millions of people
have been have been lied to, and

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they either continue to go with it
or they don't care, or the very

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slim margin of people decide to actually
do some digging and look into it.

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Yeah, and you said something that
seems to be a common theme when I

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interview people, And you said,
I'm reading verbatim from her email. It

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says the truth sets you free,
but it also makes you look like an

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outcast or someone who was shunned from
their family and friends just from opening my

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eyes. And again this is a
common theme from just about everyone I've interviewed.

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Yeah, it's a it's it's very
very difficult to deal with at times.

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Thank God for my life. She
is very very receptive of this,

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and God bless her heart for being
that way. My mother actually is is

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coming around and being receptive of this
because my mother is a very very devout,

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faithful Christian woman and you know,
she she'd never heard anything like this

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before. And me and her decided
to have a conversation about this and still

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kind of have, you know,
small conversations about this when the time is

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is right, when certain other people
aren't around because they don't want to want

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anything to do with it or here
about it. But she is very receptive.

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And I've done some biblical research and
some like listening to people as yourself

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and people as of Flatter Dave and
Eric Dubai and watching the the Level documentaries.

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And I think he's coming out with
a new one here soon Level with

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me. Yeah, that came out
I think on the twenty second April second.

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Yeah, and it's it's very it
is very difficult. It's and like

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I was saying before, with these
these kids, and young adults being taught

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this and them not really you know, paying mind to any of it.

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regurgitate and not doing really any critical thinking

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of their own. But it just
breaks my heart for people that that either

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don't want to open their eyes or
don't want to do any critical thinking themselves.

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But yeah, it is, it's
very it's very difficult. It makes

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you feel like an outsider, and
with you know, not to go on

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a rant of any sort, but
somebody that deals with anxiety or whatever on

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on somewhat of a regular basis,
it makes it even harder because you know,

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you you don't know what to do, you don't know where to turn

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to, you don't know who to
talk to, and all you want to

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do is to just um in.
In my perspective, is to spread God's

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love, burst off, but then
teach the actual creation and you know,

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just uh and go from there and
actually have everything that's in the Bible spoken

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about, not just you know,
cherry picking here and there and and then

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ignore and override the rest. It's
it's very difficult. Because my father actually

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went and spoke to one of our
administrative pastors at our church and asked him

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about this, and they both kind
of just scoffed and they were like,

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oh, well, you know,
what does it matter. Oh that's a

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shame, And it kind of hurt
a little bit. But I wasn't really

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expecting anything anything less than that.
Yeah, but when you think about it,

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if your father took the time and
effort to go sit down and talk

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to them about it, they should
have assumed and realized how much it meant

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to you. Yeah, and uh, and that's what you think. But

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then it's just it's a convoluted dynamic
to with dealing with family members and dealing

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with friends and strangers. It's it's
very convoluted game, and it's it's hard

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to it's hard to not necessarily persuade, but it's it's even hard to open

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people's eyes to the truth and even
and the saddest part is that that these

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are people high up in the in
the church congregation. So it just,

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uh, like I was saying it, I wasn't expecting anything less, but

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it certainly did, you know,
hurt a little bit. Like you guys

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are you guys are the one coming
up with the sermons every week. You

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guys are the ones in the word, you know, every day or supposedly

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every day, and it's just it's
it's very sad, and it does break

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my heart that you know, even
people of the church aren't don't really care

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about it and don't really want to
step into that step into that area of

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what's truth, what's real? What
what God's words says? And yeah,

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it's a it's very hard road to
walk, for sure. Yeah, two

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things, when when the when the
uh? But I think you said the

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assistant pastor said, you know,
what is it? What's the difference or

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what does it mean? You know, that's the that's the million dollar question.

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And it means everything. It quantifies
it, it validates that this was

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00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.920
smartly created for us. This was
no accident. And you know, it's

408
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.840
sad because like today, we had
a brunch, you know, our family

409
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.840
had a brunch for for Mother's Day. And when I'm in those types,

410
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.920
I'm like you, I'm I'm an
anxious person, but I also love having

411
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:32.239
conversation about truth. Obviously I do
these podcasts, but sometimes I feel like

412
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.679
I can't even be myself because that's
that's who I am, right. I

413
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:43.559
love to talk about the truth,
and you just can't I can't get that

414
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.239
done in that type of atmosphere.
Just you get shut down, and then

415
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.360
you know, there's a whole range
of emotions you go through, including why

416
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.159
even am I wasting my time?
Um? So that's something that you know,

417
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.719
we talk about all the time,
is how can we be better?

418
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.239
How can we convey the message better
to get people? And I've said less,

419
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.559
it's more, and we've had all
kinds of ideas, but at the

420
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:15.079
end of the day, there's been
so many, so many examples of the

421
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.679
government lying. I wish people would
be more receptive to hearing these these truths.

422
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:28.480
Yeah, and just a couple of
points on that too. You you

423
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:39.119
hit it spot on. There's it's
just it's very difficult to to be yourself

424
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:45.079
anymore. And because I used to
you know, I'm a little bit of

425
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:51.000
a nerd, not afraid to put
that out there, but I used to

426
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:57.880
collect football trading cards. Baseball trading
cards. Used to know, you know,

427
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.440
all the players, the position they
played, the years they won titles,

428
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:09.719
you know, all this stuff.
And then something like this hits you

429
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:21.159
and it completely changed me as a
person. And I'm not trying to trying

430
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:27.280
to glow or be prideful right now. But God has a very very distinct

431
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:36.679
way on how he interacts with every
single one of his creations and every single

432
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.719
one of his people. And in
my way, it was I spent the

433
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:47.320
majority of my younger years, you
know, fascinated with sports and fascinated with

434
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:57.679
space and space exploration. And me
and my family would get together and watch

435
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:06.199
the Super Bowl and watch the Stanley
Cup, and watch the World Series and

436
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.400
watch even even the playoffs. I
mean even if I'm from Wyoming, so

437
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:16.199
our go to teams were like the
Denver Broncos, the Colorado Rockies, the

438
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:22.519
you know, the Colorado Avalanche,
and we would watch their games do all

439
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.840
this. We knew all the players, and then you know, you have

440
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.159
this dumped on you, and God's
like, all right, your life's gonna

441
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:37.199
change, buddy, hope you're ready
for it. And none of that,

442
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:42.960
none of that stuff even matters to
me anymore. I mean, I couldn't

443
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:52.920
tell you one single player on a
team anymore. And it's and he did

444
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:58.960
it very slowly too. It's not
like it just you know, boot bomb

445
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:04.760
dropped on you over night and it
happened. It was it was years of

446
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:15.719
God, you know, working in
my life to kind of structure me a

447
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:22.119
certain way to when he wanted me
to find this stuff out, he would

448
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:28.519
reveal it to me, and from
from then on, it's just it's been

449
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.719
a game changer. It's, you
know, all I want to do when

450
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:38.199
I go over to family functions or
you know, even have you know,

451
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.559
a couple of friends over, it's, um, you know, I want

452
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.800
to sit down, I want to
see how they're doing, you know,

453
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.320
make sure they're doing good, and
you know, chit chat with them for

454
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.599
a little bit, and then I
just like, there's so much information that

455
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:58.960
I'm just like, Okay, have
you have you thought about this? You

456
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:04.639
know, have you have you heard
about this? And to a point,

457
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:13.920
you can do that with certain people, but then it just you you can't

458
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.719
really in other situations, and then
it makes you wonder, you know,

459
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.679
what are you doing? You know, you're just hanging out with these people

460
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:29.920
that that don't that you know,
for a lack of better words, that

461
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.639
don't care, and you're you don't
feel like you can be yourself around anybody

462
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.119
really, and it just it puts
you in a whole kind of So that's

463
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.679
that's the part that hurts the most. Yeah, somebody said something really really

464
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.960
eye opening today. Um. They
said, you are what you consume.

465
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.199
You know. They used to say
back in the day when you're in school,

466
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.960
you are what you eat. Right, If you eat uh stuff with

467
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.079
a lot of sugar and grains and
too much, you're not going to be

468
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.000
healthy. But I think it's smarter
the way he said it is. You

469
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:08.239
are what you consume, you know, and that doesn't mean just food.

470
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:15.320
He's talking about what you listen to, what you watch, etc. And

471
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:21.159
it does make a big difference because
and we're not just talking about your diet

472
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:27.400
pre awakening. You know, people
you'd spend your weekends maybe watching a movie

473
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.320
that you shouldn't really be watching,
or listening to music with words you shouldn't

474
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:37.639
be listening to. All that stuff. It really applies to your hygiene,

475
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.559
your physical and your spiritual and your
mental hygiene. And I think like you

476
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.480
were saying, and I think that
is a common theme as well. I

477
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.719
was the same guy. I'd come
home from work, eat dinner and I'd

478
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.079
go immediately to the TV seven o'clock, you know, as the Phillies on

479
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.599
or the Eagles on, is the
Flyers on? You know, trying to

480
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.880
find something to watch. I'd watch
golf, it didn't matter. I watched

481
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.760
the Arena Football League, anything with
sports, Australian rules football, I would

482
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.599
watch. And then you realize,
you know, I did, at least

483
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:14.599
I thought backwise. Wow, I
mean all the hours if you were to

484
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:20.519
add them up, that you just
sat in front of the box doing nothing,

485
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.880
just looking at it, and sure
it's being entertained. And once or

486
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.159
twice a year, I'll I'll go
out to a ballgame or something with a

487
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.159
family member or something. Just again, you can't be in the rabbit hole

488
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:37.039
twenty four seven, three sixty five. You'll drive yourself crazy, but you

489
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:43.639
can't immerse yourself in it either.
You're you're missing so much of the world

490
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.440
in life. And that's one thing
I'm sure I've mentioned a few times is

491
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.239
since realizing that they're slat, we
have a firmament this was created for us.

492
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.400
I actually, you know, not
to sound like an old hippie,

493
00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:00.679
but I do enjoy looking at nature
a lot more, you know, I

494
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:06.760
guess I just took it for granted. Yeah, and that's exactly to the

495
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:12.599
point that I was making too.
Ever, since I you know, whether

496
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.559
you want to call it having my
eyes opened or you know, I guess

497
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:23.920
that's what I'll go with is looking
out on his creation now compared to back

498
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:29.199
then. It puts me in so
much more of a state of awe than

499
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.519
it did before. You know,
I'd go out and like I said,

500
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.960
I've I've been to Hawaii. I've
seen the Hawaiian sunsets, and you know,

501
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.880
they were cool. You know,
but if I were to go back

502
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.320
there now and see it, it
would it would it would blow my mind

503
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:57.119
with how things work and how he
makes them work. And it astonishes me

504
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:02.559
just I mean every every time I
go out to like Walmart, or I

505
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.960
have to go to anywhere fill up
with gas or anywhere late at night and

506
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:15.000
just look up at the stars or
look up at the moon. And the

507
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:21.480
moon is a whole other subject in
its own and it's just it's appalling.

508
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.920
You look at it and you're like, wow, this is this is different,

509
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.880
this is this is something crazy here. You know, we we probably

510
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:38.480
will never fully understand, but this
is amazing looking at Polaris, the North

511
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.760
star, you know, looking at
and like I said, I was a

512
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:51.800
photographer doing doing time lapses of the
stars at night and having all of the

513
00:47:51.880 --> 00:48:01.480
stars rotate around Polaris. And like
I said about the moon, and a

514
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.039
couple things that I figured out about
the Moon was, you know, there's

515
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:13.239
I don't ever like to speak about
anything that I can't actually put evidence or

516
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.599
fact behind. Sure, So you
know, like the nine to eleven dust,

517
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:23.000
how there's traces of nanotherrmite and thermite
and stuff like that. You know,

518
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:30.840
that's blatantly right there in your face
proof. But speaking on God's creation

519
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:40.199
and stuff, it's hard to sometimes
figure out actual proofs. But just like

520
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:52.199
the map of the Moon and looking
at how the the dark spots on the

521
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:57.960
Moon could correalesce with with land masses
down here, like it's some sort of

522
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:04.239
a reflection. That was something that
I stumbled across. And I don't know

523
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.639
much about that, but that was
something different that I read about and watched

524
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:15.320
videos about. And then having looked
at crow Triple sevens videos and watching his

525
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:23.320
videos about the lunar wave, that
that was something weird to say the least,

526
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:29.079
that was, that was a weird
one for me to come across.

527
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.679
Yep. Indeed, indeed, I
think you know, the two biggest lie

528
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.960
is obviously one is you know,
the heliocentrism in a nutshell, that we're

529
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.559
on a ball, we're spinning,
hurling through space. That's a big lie.

530
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.719
But the lies of the moon.
And again this goes back to I

531
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:53.559
wish there was I guess more preachers
that would And again, I'm not a

532
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.320
church baschler. I hope I don't
come across like that because I'm not.

533
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.960
But because we were all guilty of
this growing up and reading the Bible.

534
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.960
We'd read the Bible, and I
talked about this to our local pastor.

535
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.320
I ran into him two weeks ago. We kind of had this conversation where

536
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.480
people show up to church and we
talk one thing, and then we go

537
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.159
out to we send our children off
to school and they get taught about evolution

538
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:21.559
and everything else. And that's one
of the big reasons why we decided to

539
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.679
homeschool. But the other big lie, which goes directly against you know,

540
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:34.199
Genesis one is God created two lights. You didn't create one light and one

541
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.159
dusty ball that had a reflection on
it. And that is a very big

542
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:45.920
key to me. When he became
a flood earth. I reread Genesis fifty

543
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:51.480
times and I don't know about you, but again I had a wide range

544
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.119
of emotions. I felt free,
and then I got mad because at that

545
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:59.559
point I had, you know,
i'd already gone through nine to eleven,

546
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.800
which you know, you know what
I did for living for quite some time.

547
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:07.599
I felt betrayed and used, and
that was quite an emotional roller coaster.

548
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.719
But I'm like, is there anything
in my life I haven't been?

549
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.679
Like? Is anything real? That? I mean, it was a big,

550
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:20.400
big deal to me. How about
yourself? Yeah, that was I

551
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.679
mean, the whole thing is just
big and it's hard to uh, it's

552
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:30.920
hard to unravel two because it's like
you're at this center of a tortilla that's

553
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.880
just been wrapped and wrapped and wrapped
and wrapped, and you got to just

554
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.079
try to get through the layers of
everything. It's uh, it's very difficult,

555
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:46.119
from you know, the moon landing
to the secrets of Antarctica, to

556
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.400
you know, Antarctica being this huge
land mass that's at the bottom of our

557
00:51:52.480 --> 00:52:01.400
of our globe, to it possibly
being the um the outer ice wall that

558
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:08.960
surrounds the entire Earth, and um, you know, like Captain Cook and

559
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:16.360
his expedition going around and circumnavigating Antarctica. I think it was Captain Cook that

560
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:22.239
did that sixty thousand miles and took
him with three years. Yeah, sixty

561
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:28.719
thousand miles and it was like three
years and eight days or something like that.

562
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:35.800
And then uh, just all the
numerology that's beyond or behind everything,

563
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:40.280
like, um, the moon's diameter, it's like six times six times sixty

564
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:47.519
and that equals out to what equals
a diameter of the moon, and that's

565
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:52.559
you know, three sixes. And
then um, a listener that you had

566
00:52:52.599 --> 00:53:00.920
on and it you even responded to
this too. It's like everything that God

567
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:12.239
creates, Satan and his minions have
a counterfeit for and it it didn't really

568
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:17.199
strike me until I heard it,
but yeah, it's just you get in

569
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.880
this phase of what's real, you
know, you start to you start to

570
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:28.519
question everything, and you start to
kind of look like a buffoon. Yep,

571
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.239
it's Satan. You're right. Satan
perverts everything everything. It's exactly.

572
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.880
They don't create anything, He just
takes it, perverts it. Yeah,

573
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:49.679
and it's so it's so hard to
discern nowadays. And you just for me

574
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:55.400
anyways, I just I keep praying, I keep looking at what's in front

575
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:01.639
of me, I keep doing research
along with you know, because you can't,

576
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:06.239
like you said, you can't dive
down so deep that you just get

577
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.480
swallowed up by this stuff. But
you know, take take an hour a

578
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:16.159
day, you know, do some
research, you know, and you know,

579
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:22.039
make the make the discernment for yourself. Pray that yahweh gives you,

580
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:28.119
gives you hints here and there and
you're able to discern it for yourself.

581
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:35.920
And yeah, everything's just appalling to
me nowadays. Just like the just like

582
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.199
the stars, the stars are our
you know, our yearly clock, if

583
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:45.239
you would say, and they could
also be used as a map. And

584
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:52.119
then you know the moon is our
monthly calendar, and then you know the

585
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:59.079
sun is our our daily time clock. I mean, He creates these things

586
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:07.400
very inked and very uh in wits
with what we need to know and how

587
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.679
we can circumnavigate life. And they're
they're right in front of our faces.

588
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.400
And nowadays people don't use any of
that stuff. You know, it's all

589
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.679
uh, it's all old school stuff
or it's all uh, you know,

590
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.519
forgotten history or you know, whatever
people want to call it these days.

591
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:29.559
But that's what God created them for, you know, like you were saying,

592
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:35.079
God created a light for the day
and a light for the for the

593
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:39.960
night. And you know he's,
uh, he's not saying he created a

594
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:46.119
dusty gold rock that's gonna you know, revolve around the Sun or excuse me,

595
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:52.480
the Earth. It's it's right there
for us. It has a purpose.

596
00:55:54.079 --> 00:56:00.719
And yeah, everything everything he just
appallsed me. Nowadays. You know,

597
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:07.159
we we we rotate at a thousand
miles an hour, and we rotate

598
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:14.239
around the Sun at sixty six point
or sixty six thousand, six hundred miles

599
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:19.320
an hour. There's your triple six
is and then we're plummeting through space at

600
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.480
what is it almost half a million
miles an hour. I mean, it's

601
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:30.519
just it makes no sense to me
whatsoever. Just like the the circumference of

602
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:37.920
the Earth is like what twenty four
twenty four thousand miles somewhere around that it's

603
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.559
between twenty four and twenty five thousand, I believe. Yeah. And then

604
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:49.079
the whole Captain Cook thing with with
circumnavigating Antarctica and it taking you know,

605
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.480
three years and close to sixty thousand
miles. Okay, well where do you

606
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:59.400
get that math? That's where does
where does this line up at? Because

607
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:07.360
sixty thousand miles, according to my
view, is a lot larger than you

608
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:12.800
know, the equator of the Earth. So yeah, it's just it's just

609
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.480
kind of odd to me. It's
funny if you go to Google and use

610
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:22.079
Google for this one, folks put
in how long would it take to circumnavigate

611
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:27.000
Antarctica? You want to take a
guess what the answer is? In days?

612
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.119
What would it be? What?
What's the Freemason's favorite number? Thirty

613
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.559
three? There you go, the
voyage would take thirty three days. You

614
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.480
gotta love it. It's right there
in your face. Yeah, that's crazy.

615
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:50.599
I mean, there's there's so much
stuff to just I mean, not

616
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:53.079
even take a shallow dive into,
but just take a deep dive into.

617
00:57:53.199 --> 00:58:00.199
And I mean one thing after another. It's just and George, to be

618
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:05.440
completely honest, I didn't know about
any of this stuff two years ago,

619
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:14.719
and it's just it's it's odd.
It's just very odd to me that.

620
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.199
And I mean I can picture myself
being, you know, a twenty nine

621
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:27.559
thirty year old guy going through life
not knowing any of this stuff, and

622
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.440
then all of a sudden, you
know, having my eyes open. So

623
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.639
I'm not gonna you know, I'm
not going to judge people that don't know

624
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:38.599
about it yet, but it gets
very hard when you try to talk to

625
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:45.079
people about it, when you try
to talk to people about Antarctica, when

626
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:51.079
you when you try to talk to
people about like Operation Fishbowl, or when

627
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:55.679
you try to you know, say
that like I mean, I think you've

628
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:05.440
even said it when you like you're
saying like on a on a sunny Sunday

629
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.840
morning, you're sitting here, and
then you decide to take a hike,

630
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:15.639
and the sun feels so much hotter, and the rays feel like there's so

631
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.400
much more intense, even when you
just are up maybe two three four thousand

632
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:28.320
beat in elevation, And I mean, how could that happen if the sun

633
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:36.360
is ninety three million miles away?
I mean, that's just that's just a

634
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:43.280
human hair compared to like a full
blown twenty foot living room exactly. So

635
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:51.119
it's just yeah, and it's just
it's appalling to me. I just I'm

636
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:55.440
flabbergassed at a lot of this stuff
because you see what you're taught, and

637
00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:01.800
you see you see all this stuff
that you start to research, and none

638
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:07.199
of it, none of it makes
any sense. Their their numerology the way

639
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:13.679
that they do math, the way
that it's like they pick a pick a

640
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:21.719
number and they do the math to
fit that answer. Yeah, they say,

641
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.599
this is the answer we want and
then they kind of like reverse engineer

642
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:30.159
it, right. Yeah. So
it's just, yeah, it's a lot

643
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.360
of this is is very hard to
wrap your head around. But at the

644
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:36.920
end of the day, I mean, the evidence is right there in front

645
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:43.400
of your face. So I just
I don't like to bad mouth people because

646
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:46.280
you know, I don't think that
I don't think Yeshua, you know,

647
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.920
Jesus, I don't think he would
do any of this. He would just

648
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:57.239
he would love and care for people
and try to try to spread the truth

649
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:01.639
to people, which I mean,
this isn't probably on his uh and his

650
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:07.880
top five list of his agenda to
spread, but it's there, you know,

651
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:14.719
it's there for people to learn,
it's there for people to know that,

652
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:22.000
you know, he created everything through
him. So it's just yeah,

653
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:29.639
it's just, uh, it's it's
very difficult to try to try to wrap

654
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.920
your head around it is. But
because I'm sorry, go ahead, Bud

655
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:36.519
editman interrupt you. No, you're
good. It's just but if you can

656
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:43.760
then you know, props to you. You know, you're you've you've either

657
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:49.360
got God's discernment on your side or
you've you've got you've got Him working in

658
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.039
your life in some way or manner
that maybe you're not even a Christian,

659
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:58.119
but he is. He may be
he may be working in your life in

660
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:02.239
some sort of way. Yeah,
because most people, when they find the

661
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.039
truth, no matter what it is, the first instant is to share it.

662
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:08.039
And uh, you know, many
of the truths people are willing to

663
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.840
listen to, even you know,
at work the theories, but there's a

664
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:19.320
couple of them that you just can't
bring up. And it is a little

665
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.840
like you said, it is a
little frustrating. But at the same time,

666
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.559
there was a point of our life
where we were all asleep, and

667
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:27.679
that's something I try to remember,
and even people will email me and say,

668
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.119
hey, listen, you know we
were all asleep at one point,

669
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:34.079
and I that's why I don't.
You know, Bill Cooper used to use

670
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.960
the word sheepull and but I you
know, looking back, I understand his

671
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:42.159
frustration. This guy wrote a book
and spent you know, he was on

672
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:46.960
the radio for a little over a
decade. I think exposing the truth.

673
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:52.480
He wasn't a flat earther, and
there was you know, we don't.

674
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:58.599
We all have our you know,
opinions and ideals. But I understood where

675
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.639
he was coming from. And it
is very it can be very frustrating because

676
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:06.840
once, like if you go back
to think about that movie They Live,

677
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.760
once you finally put that guy in
the aadlock and stick the eyeglasses on,

678
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:16.400
and they see, it's a whole
different world, and you just all you

679
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.440
want is, you know, people
in your circle to be able to see

680
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:24.239
the same thing you do. But
again, it's just a it's a tricky

681
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:28.599
slope. I want to put you
on the spot just a little bit.

682
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.239
There's no correct answer, so don't
worry about it. But we're working on

683
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:35.519
this. I always talk about less
as more. This is kind of the

684
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:40.559
perfect time to segue. And we're
coming up with this idea to get these

685
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:46.760
business cards with just a website on
it, Like check this out. Just

686
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:53.000
hand out these little business cards with
a website and like open your eye,

687
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:58.159
just a couple little things on it, just to trigger them enough to get

688
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.320
them curious enough to go to the
web website. And you know, if

689
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.480
you go to any public speaking course, like if you've gone to a community

690
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:11.079
college or any college, that's normally
one of the first courses you'll take as

691
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:15.440
public speaking, and they always tell
you you normally have about thirty seconds to

692
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:20.000
get somebody's attention. If you don't, nine times out of ten, they're

693
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:25.880
going to they're just going to check
out mentally. So yeah, I'm asking

694
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:29.599
you to pitch this to you.
So we hand out these cards to a

695
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:31.280
certain website. I'm not going to
publicize it because I don't want somebody to

696
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:35.840
buy it. And then there goes
that idea, but that they get curious

697
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:39.440
enough they go to the website.
I want to have a video on the

698
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:45.320
very front, just a two minute
video. If you were you know,

699
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.239
if you were in charge of this
project, what is the most If you

700
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:53.440
had to squeeze something in two minutes
to get somebody's attention on flat Earth,

701
01:04:53.559 --> 01:05:00.079
what would you what would you do? Ooh, that's that's a that's very

702
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:06.400
heavy. Um, I don't know. I think the things that reached out

703
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:13.760
to me the most were, Oh, I mean that's tricky, George,

704
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:24.000
that's a that is tricky because I
know for me it was with me being

705
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:30.800
of Christian background, I had already
had the knowledge that God created everything and

706
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:36.320
he created it through Jeshua. But
I don't know how people standpoints on that

707
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:40.039
would be. So I don't know
if that would be something that you would

708
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:45.000
have in that you know, two
minute video, even though it is the

709
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.679
truth. Yeah, in in you
know, in mine and yours eyes and

710
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:57.519
you know probably some of our listeners
eyes. But oh that's loaded. Man,

711
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.480
you're putting me on the spot.
So well, let me float my

712
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:02.519
idea to you. And this is
again it's two minutes, and you'll be

713
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:06.719
surprised how much you can fit into
a two minute video. But I was

714
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:11.320
thinking, and again we're just starting
to spit ball here. We're weeks away

715
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:19.360
from even getting this thing completely rolling. But it starts with I think most

716
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:27.920
people who a shoe flat Earth don't
really know about heliocentrism, So I wanted

717
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.840
I was thinking at least it starting
like, are you sure we're living on

718
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.519
a ball? Are you sure the
sun is ninety three million miles away?

719
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:40.159
Are you sure we're spending at you
know, a thousand miles an hour just

720
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.199
to put plant that instead of just
saying, hey, it's flat, starting

721
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.920
to I think, before you can
show someone flat Earth. You need to

722
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:55.400
debunk their theory and then reel them
in with pictures of lakes not moving and

723
01:06:56.079 --> 01:07:00.280
things like that. Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Uh.

724
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:06.719
I was. I'm kind of thinking
along the same lines as you, because

725
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:14.760
most people that believe that we are
on a spinning ball going through space at

726
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.159
half a million miles an hour,
they don't even know the numbers, No

727
01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:26.639
don't, they don't. They don't
either they don't care to know the numbers,

728
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:31.480
or it just they don't remember the
numbers from what they've been taught.

729
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:40.000
And yeah, that's very tricky because, like I was saying that, one

730
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:45.800
of the things that hit me the
hardest was that NASA would always use fish

731
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.880
eye lenses. You know, even
even on the Red Bull Jump with Felix

732
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:57.480
bung Gardner, he to eat had
the fish eye lens on the outside of

733
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:04.639
his capsule. But and it looks
like on the inside of his capsule was

734
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:11.679
maybe a wider lens, like maybe
a like a like a thirty five millimeter

735
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:15.800
lens, but not something like terribly
wide like a fish eye lights, like

736
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.920
a like an eight to fifteen millimeter
lens. But on the inside of his

737
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:27.520
capsule is a you know, there's
a flat horizon behind him, and then

738
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:34.520
you know, you to send these
helium ballooms, balloom, Sorry, I'm

739
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:41.600
getting tongue tied over, and they
send up these balloons that are you know,

740
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.399
one hundred thousand, hundred and twenty
thousand feet and it's nothing but a

741
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:54.079
flat horizon, and the horizon will
always meet you at eye level instead of

742
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.960
you know, if we lived on
his fear, you know, you go

743
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:02.239
up, you'd have to continue lee, you know, tilt your camera down

744
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:10.560
just to be able to see what's
beneath you instead of in you know,

745
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:14.760
the horizon always meeting your eyeline.
So I don't know, I think that

746
01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:21.800
could be a point that could be
thrown in there, you know, the

747
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:28.159
whole fish eye lands, the whole
points of you know, because all these

748
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.319
people, you know, they slip
up from now and then they do you

749
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:36.920
know, Bill Nye has slipped up, Neil de Grass Tyson has slipped up,

750
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:46.079
you know, and even Neil de
Grass, the Prince of science these

751
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:53.840
days. You know, uh,
he's speaking about how you know, the

752
01:09:53.880 --> 01:10:00.199
whole red bull jump. He wouldn't
be able to see curvature, and it's

753
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.520
just like okay, well, you
know, Felix bung Gardner in his interview

754
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:10.159
said that he saw curvature and he's
not he's not extremely high up, but

755
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:15.279
he's he's pretty far up there.
So I mean, everything just kind of

756
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:19.199
contradicts itself. And I think that
that's something that you might be able to

757
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:28.119
lead with, is the contradiction of
everything, because sooner or later, somebody's

758
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:34.560
gonna slip and say something. And
I always refer to your podcast because I

759
01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:39.000
listen to them so much along with
a few others, and do research for

760
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:44.279
myself. But you know, you
have very good points on your podcast,

761
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:53.760
and you say that Satan will always
or God will always tip Satan's hand.

762
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:59.640
He's never going to reveal the full
truth, that's right, but he'll always,

763
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:05.279
you know, factor out something to
where people of true discernment will be

764
01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:09.239
able to pick up on and they'll
be like, oh, okay, well

765
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:14.199
here's a breadcrumb that you laid out
for me. Where does it go?

766
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:20.119
You know, you don't know where
the next breadcrumb may be, but that's

767
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:24.399
for you to for you to figure
out. He's always going to tip his

768
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:30.720
hand. And I think the contradictions
are everywhere, and they are with either

769
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:38.159
it be numerology, whether it be
reverse engineering their math, whether it be

770
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:43.119
with them, you know, even
slipping up on you know, like a

771
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:49.720
news broadcast or or some sort of
podcast that's being recorded. You know,

772
01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:57.039
they're they do slip up, and
then they have to correct themselves, and

773
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:01.479
they have to put out these lousy
excuses for themselves for even slipping up to

774
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:10.720
go along with their true false narrative, you know it, maybe that would

775
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:17.279
be something. But the things that
strike out to me are the elevation factor

776
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:26.159
with nothing ever showing curvature, with
the science experiments that have been done that

777
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:31.199
prove that we do not go anywhere
to prove that, you know, every

778
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:35.720
single year, on that same exact
day, the stars are going to be

779
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:42.680
in the same exact spot, how
the moon goes through its cycle every single

780
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:49.520
month, I mean, and then
the whole Antarctica thing. That Antarctica is

781
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.760
just a mystery in its own because
nobody, nobody really knows what's down there.

782
01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:00.439
So I mean, those are just
me spitballing a few ideas of what

783
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:06.560
could maybe be implemented into that video. Is their contradictions and their kind of

784
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:14.600
pseudo science or um, you know, the the sun, the moon,

785
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:20.000
the stars and how they all work. Yeah, that's all all great ideas.

786
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:26.279
And I always say even the people
who were the most asleep, who

787
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:31.319
just consume you know, sports TV
and Facebook or whatever, those people,

788
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:35.800
everybody's familiar with it with the number
six sixty six, And if you would

789
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:40.520
just point out again, you know, sixty six thousand, six hundred miles,

790
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.800
the axis twenty three point four obviously
is six, you know, leaves

791
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:49.000
you at a sixty six point six
degree angle. Just all that numerology with

792
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:54.079
the sun, I think that would
get their attention as well. And the

793
01:13:54.159 --> 01:14:00.119
little clips of again the knucklehead Don
Pettit saying you know, well we'd go

794
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.279
back to the moon, but we
lost the technology, and then with like

795
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:06.600
buzz Aldrin saying well it didn't happen
that way. I think if you,

796
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:11.760
I think that would be enough just
to get their attention. And that's what

797
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:13.479
you want to do. You want
to get them in the door, just

798
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.920
like a car salesman, right,
you want to get them in the door.

799
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:17.880
You want to get them on the
car a lot. And then then

800
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:24.600
once you get their attention, then
you can start, you know, really

801
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:30.359
pitching the truth. And of course
yeah, I would certainly put I would

802
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:33.479
definitely include God in there as well, not one because at the end of

803
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.079
the go ahead, but go ahead, no, no, you're good,

804
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:39.039
go ahead. I was just going
to say, because at the end of

805
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:43.479
the day, that is the most
important is saving souls. That is number

806
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.479
one, without a doubt. Yeah, that is that is number one,

807
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:55.279
without a doubt, the most important
thing that that you know, we're here

808
01:14:55.319 --> 01:15:00.319
for. And I mean I may
be taking a different approach than know some

809
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:04.479
other listeners or whatever, and I
hope that they they hear me and they

810
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:10.000
hear you, and maybe other listeners
have kind of stated at this point,

811
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:17.640
but human life is the most important
thing on this earth. There's there's nothing

812
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:29.520
more. There's nothing more important.
And you know, if you it's that's

813
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:33.439
you know, that's just a whole
another conversation on its own, pretty much

814
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:41.479
that could take hours of time discussing
is is human life and how we interact

815
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:45.079
with one another and how we care
for one another and show empathy towards one

816
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:53.359
another, and you know, it's, uh, it's it's huge, it's

817
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:56.680
it's the biggest thing. And that's
why it breaks my heart so much for

818
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:02.119
you know, these people out there
learning you know, false narratives, learning

819
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:11.960
about about you know, fakery.
You know, you can't really spin it

820
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:18.760
a different way. You know,
no pun intended. But it's it hurts.

821
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.720
I mean, it hurts for me. It hurts for knowing that,

822
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:29.239
you know, millions of people are
being led this way and you know,

823
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:42.279
maybe maybe a fraction of them are
gonna maybe open their eyes to what the

824
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.399
truth really is. And I mean
I came prepared with notes and everything,

825
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.840
but I've been just kind of flying
by the seat of my pants. But

826
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:58.359
I have a list here of like
twenty five thirty Bible versus that you know,

827
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:09.640
show and state the way that the
earth was made, the how it's

828
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:16.119
structured, all this kind of stuff, you know, speaking from Genesis all

829
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:24.359
the way to Revelations. It's sprinkled
out through there. So I mean,

830
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:30.279
it's just it's it. It does
truly hurt to know this. And then

831
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:35.720
it also I'm not I'm not bad
mouth and on any churches or anything,

832
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:42.039
but I wish that they would start
to try to implement some of this stuff

833
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:47.680
into their their weekly, monthly,
yearly, you know, teaching regiment,

834
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:54.239
if that's what you want to call
it, Because you know, you got

835
01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:58.159
you got so many on here.
You got Isaiah forty four twenty four,

836
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:01.159
you got Hebrews, you know,
eleven three, go ahead, and you

837
01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:08.520
know, go ahead and read them
them written down. I'm sorry, h

838
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:14.239
I do have just the verse numbers
written down because I was doing some research

839
01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:16.800
onme, and I only written down
the verses themselves. Give me the one

840
01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:23.079
from Isaiah one more time, Isaiah
forty four, Isaiah forty four, twenty

841
01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:26.920
four, forty four twenty four,
and that so that one here, I'll

842
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.880
read it real quick, forty four
twenty four. It says, here we

843
01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:35.479
go, Thus sayeth the Lord,
thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee

844
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:41.840
from the womb. I am the
Lord that maketh all things that stretches forth

845
01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:48.600
the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad
the earth by myself. So and there's

846
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:55.239
just there's so many yeah, oh
yeah. And even on Warner Ron Browne's

847
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:58.800
headstone, and I mean, you
know, the four angels at the corners

848
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:02.359
of the Earth. Yeah. And
then you know, something that hit me

849
01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:06.079
the other day was, you know, the earth is set upon pillars,

850
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:16.199
so you know, as as Antarctica
on pillars, and are we just you

851
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:20.600
know, sitting on you know,
are we just a globe sitting on the

852
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:27.960
pillars that are underneath Antarctica? That
makes that makes no logical sense to me.

853
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:33.920
And um, it's just I mean, there's there's so many there's there's

854
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:40.640
a ton here that I've done research
on. And you know Proverbs eight twenty

855
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:44.880
nine, you know, speaking about
the seas and how they have their limitations

856
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:54.319
and speaking about how that could possibly
be pointing to the ice wall an Antarctica.

857
01:19:54.880 --> 01:20:00.680
You know, you never know,
he doesn't blatantly say there that an

858
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:11.119
arca is uh, the the border
for the for the for the seas,

859
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.640
but you know it's up for it's
up for debate. I don't know why

860
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:20.560
it would say that if it didn't
have meaning behind it. And then you

861
01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:25.760
know, there's there's so many other's
Psalm one of four, five, Psalm

862
01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:30.119
ninety three, one Job. There's
a few on job actually, and then

863
01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:40.319
you know, uh, Joshua stating
that you know, he made the made

864
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:45.319
the sun and moon stay stationary for
a while, you know exactly, so

865
01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:50.960
you know that just contradicts everything right
there in one verse. If he makes

866
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:55.960
the sun stay stationary, gravity stops
and we go floating, into space,

867
01:20:56.039 --> 01:21:00.239
right, yeah, exactly, it
makes it makes no sense to their pseudo

868
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:06.279
science way of thinking. It doesn't
because when you look at a flat earth

869
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:11.760
map, and truly, I don't
think anybody really knows what a flat earth

870
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.119
map would look like. I mean, we have the Gleason's map of like

871
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:21.920
what is an eighteen ninety two yeah
take Yeah, and you know, there's

872
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:30.640
mysteries about the North Pole. There's
mysteries about Antarctica. So you know,

873
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:38.800
I think we have a general representation
of what our continents look like. But

874
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:45.039
still there is a mystery behind you
know, what is exactly at the North

875
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:50.439
Pole because that's that's still you know, that's fortified. Nobody can exactly go

876
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:58.840
to, you know, the exact
point of North So I mean everything,

877
01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:03.079
everything's just we Yeah. And again, when everything is based on the lies,

878
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:06.840
it's the truth is hard to discern
that that is the biggest problem.

879
01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:11.239
And that's you know, I said
a couple of podcasts ago, I need

880
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:15.039
to start using my bibble more for
research because that is based on fact,

881
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:20.319
right, and yeah, yeah for
me and you and maybe many of our

882
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:27.000
listeners anyways, But yeah, I
feel bad because I have you know,

883
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:30.079
a list of thirty verses written out, and I didn't, you know,

884
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:35.319
exactly put them exactly right, you
know, the verses down. I just

885
01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:45.640
have their their chapter and verse point
pointed out on here. But it's just

886
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:55.279
it's astonishing how much is actually is
there, you know, and all the

887
01:22:55.399 --> 01:23:01.199
answers, mostly all the answers,
because I truly don't believe that we are

888
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:09.560
meant to know everything, otherwise that
would kind of put us in his shoes

889
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:15.079
exactly. And yeah, I mean
I think God wants to challenge us and

890
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:19.960
the same, you know it.
We should look to others for answers all

891
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:24.319
the time because just because somebody tells
us something, that doesn't mean it's the

892
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.880
truth. And I tell people all
the time when you listen to my podcasts,

893
01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:32.159
take it as a as a tool, but continue to research for yourself.

894
01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:35.439
And by the way, I have
a link I'll put in the show

895
01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:40.840
description. This one is I have
I always have a side and I should

896
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:45.439
have put it in others. But
I have fifteen Bible verses, including Psalms

897
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.840
one, who four or five is
it's you know, he set the earth

898
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.520
on its foundations, it can never
be moved. I mean that is that

899
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:55.319
that should be in the top five
of in our toolbox. I mean it

900
01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:58.840
cannot be moved, right, And
then you were talking about I think Revelation

901
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.600
seven to one, which is after
this I saw the four angels standing at

902
01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:08.039
the four corners of the Earth,
right, yeah, yeah, And I

903
01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:11.760
don't I thought it was kind of
funny. In one of your previous podcasts

904
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.720
they were talking about, oh well, let's just uh, let's all get

905
01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:19.279
our our iPads out and watch it
on our on our iPads. When when

906
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:25.680
the angels and when when Yeshuare returns. It just it makes no sense because

907
01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:30.439
when I think of Yeshuare returning,
I think of you know, after the

908
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:35.800
tribulation period. However, you wanted
discern that every single soul on this earth

909
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:40.800
will be able to see it,
whether if you're in China, Europe,

910
01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:45.479
Canada, United States, South America, over in Australia, you'll be able

911
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:50.920
to You'll be able to see it. It'll be a great grand finale.

912
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:59.119
So I don't I don't picture that
happening on a globe per se exactly.

913
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.840
And I BELI leave they and again
this isn't me. This is what I

914
01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:05.319
think they are thinking. I think
the whole reason that they came up with

915
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:09.920
NASA in the outer space and they
started making all the sci fi movies.

916
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:15.439
I think in their mind they're hoping
they can create a narrative when God comes

917
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:18.039
back, they can say, oh, it's aliens. But again, like

918
01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:23.039
it says, everybody will know,
but it's they will use every tool they

919
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:27.800
have to deceive us to the very
end. Yes, And that just that

920
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:32.000
goes along with my next thought is
that I feel, with everything going on

921
01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:39.920
in the world right now, that
Satan is working over time. He's definitely

922
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:46.880
putting in the footwork to get stuff
done right now. And it's sadly for

923
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:56.880
the masses it's working. And for
those of us that listen to your podcasts

924
01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.760
that have you know, been awakened, that have their eyes open to see

925
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:05.920
and their ears open to hear,
you know, this is all just a

926
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:15.520
bunch of poppycock, and it uh
it because I don't. I don't watch

927
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:21.319
the news anymore. I don't,
I don't. It's it's hard for me

928
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:28.119
to even speak to people about this
stuff. It's just it's full blown steam

929
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:38.680
ahead for them and there for them
and their agenda. That's so funny how

930
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:42.159
things happen. You'd mentioned you don't
watch news. I don't either. I

931
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:46.680
don't ever go to websites about news. I track the events in Eastern Europe

932
01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:50.520
and things like that. I have
a couple folks on Telegram and friends around

933
01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:56.000
the world I chat with for my
news. So why you were saying that?

934
01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:58.840
Just then, I said, let's
see what's going on in the world.

935
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:02.720
So I went to CNN dot com
and this huge news story, just

936
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:09.760
huge blast is one hundred times brighter
than all the stars in the Milky Way

937
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:16.479
combined, the largest cosmic explosion ever
witness is still burning bright after three years.

938
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:23.600
This is the top story on CNN
dot com. Man more deceit,

939
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:28.520
and people, I'm sure are eating
it up. Yeah, yeah, it's

940
01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:36.239
just it's getting you know there.
I always reflect back to going out,

941
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:42.319
you know, on a clear night
and just looking at the stars in the

942
01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:46.479
moon, even if it's just for
you know, even if it's just for

943
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:53.960
fifteen seconds. I think everybody can
spare fifteen seconds of a day and go

944
01:27:54.000 --> 01:28:00.039
out and look at the stars and
look at the moon and real because there's

945
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:09.199
been excuse me, there's been a
a few days lately, within the past

946
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:14.399
couple of weeks where the sun and
the moon have been up at the same

947
01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:24.760
time, and the moon makes makes
no sense on being a reflection of the

948
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:30.000
Sun's light with the phase that the
moon has been in. You know,

949
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.640
you see the sun, you see
the moon on the other side of the

950
01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:35.000
horizon, and you think, yeah, well, maybe the moon should be

951
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:45.439
fully illuminated because you can walk or
drive or fly you know, you know,

952
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:53.199
two to three hundred miles maybe and
you're still illuminated. And I mean,

953
01:28:53.840 --> 01:29:00.439
I'm just spitballing here, but the
moon is not fully illuminated. It

954
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:05.079
it's you know, two thirds illuminated. And then when you look back at

955
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:10.760
the Sun and you look at the
moon, it's like, um, you

956
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:15.439
know, something's something's kind of weird
here. Don't you think that that should

957
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.680
be fully illuminated? If the if
the sun's right there and everything's all that

958
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:24.399
light from the Sun is hitting that
moon and reflecting back to us to where

959
01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:27.920
we can see it. Don't you
think that things should be fully illuminated.

960
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.479
It's just and then you go back
to Genesis and it's you know, there's

961
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:41.000
a there's a point there, there's
a there's discernment and critical thinking that need

962
01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:47.640
to happen right there to realize that
they are two separate lights, whether you

963
01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:51.560
see them at the same time or
you see one by night and one by

964
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:59.399
day precisely, and you can't believe
the moon landing story and the fact that

965
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:02.840
it reflects like they just don't go
together. And especially during the daytime.

966
01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:09.640
How is it reflecting during the daytime
when it's light out? Yeah, yeah,

967
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:15.039
it's just a lot of it doesn't
make any sense once you put critical

968
01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:19.079
thinking into it. And that's just
the thing. It's it's critical thinking.

969
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:26.079
It's sitting down reflecting on what you've
seen, reflecting on what you've heard,

970
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:35.840
and coming up with your own discernment
of what's happening right here. It's this,

971
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:42.119
you know, this doesn't make sense. Why are we being told this?

972
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:47.720
Why have we been told this for
for many years? You know?

973
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:54.880
It's just like what what else have
we been like to about most of everything?

974
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:03.720
Most of everything? Yeah, and
then just like just like Antarctica,

975
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:08.960
you know, nobody is allowed to
go there. I mean you can buy

976
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:15.560
excursions to go there for what ten
twenty thirty forty thousand dollars and you only

977
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.880
get to go you know, so
far, which is minimal at the least,

978
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:26.560
very very minimal, and the names
of the places that you're allowed to

979
01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:31.000
go are very mysterious Rothschild Island and
Deception Island. Nothing to see here,

980
01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:39.000
yeah, exactly. And then it's
just okay, you know, operation Fishbowl,

981
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:45.520
you know what's going on there.
And then you start to piece some

982
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:51.319
of these things together and start to
develop kind of like a puzzle that you're

983
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:57.760
putting together, and it seems like
every piece that you put in, you

984
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:01.039
know, five more get added to
your box of puzzle pieces that you still

985
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:08.760
got to put in there. So
that and it's just it's and I don't

986
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:20.920
it's they've came up with this so
perfectly to deceive so many people so perfectly.

987
01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:27.279
I mean, it's not perfect to
the standpoint of like people like me

988
01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:32.039
and you and you know, your
listeners and you know, fellow people like

989
01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:40.359
me to you know, kind of
read through these kind of things. But

990
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:49.600
it's just you know, the moon
landing, the the glow, the heliocentric

991
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:59.239
model, the them and forgive me, I don't know the scientists names that

992
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:05.760
came up with this, but were
they were they even real? Were they

993
01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:11.520
you know, physical human beings or
were they part of their narrative that they

994
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:17.039
just created because nobody's going to be
able to, you know, do their

995
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:24.239
own digging and research to figure out
that these people actually existed. You know,

996
01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:29.399
that's another rabbit hole to go down. There's there's so many pieces that

997
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:41.439
are that are not applicable to putting
together and it's just, yeah, it

998
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:45.319
it doesn't make a lot of sense
to me with this. I take God's

999
01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:50.239
word for what it is. I've
been doing research to figure out what this

1000
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:55.600
is. I've been listening to your
podcast another podcasts, and trying to find

1001
01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:01.560
stuff on search engines, and you
know, it's getting harder and harder day

1002
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:09.039
by day to find this stuff,
just like the like the censorship in Canada

1003
01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:18.880
and with anybody looking up flat Earth, and it's just it's appalling. It

1004
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:25.039
is one hundred percent and again it
all goes back to deception. And as

1005
01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:28.199
you're talking and you're hitting home run
after home run, I didn't even notice

1006
01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:32.119
that this story under the big story
was the big question is sleeping will be

1007
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:39.640
one of the challenges for astronauts on
Mars missions. And it's just it's funny

1008
01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:45.159
when you see again and even the
person who probably wrote this story, Ashley

1009
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:54.439
Strickland, you know, probably clueless
to the truth as well and believes these

1010
01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:58.880
type of things. And again,
the truth is everything. You have to

1011
01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:02.439
question everything. Going back to your
point, I believe one hundred percent that

1012
01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:10.000
so much of our history has been
fabricated. Specifically, I'm not going to

1013
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:15.359
get into it because we touched on
a lot on the last interview, but

1014
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:20.199
a lot of World War two stories
were created, a lot of stories about

1015
01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:26.039
the Civil War was created. And
I think there is something too, And

1016
01:35:26.039 --> 01:35:28.880
this is something I haven't spent enough
time on, and that's one of the

1017
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:32.359
resources we all never have enough of
his time. But I find it very

1018
01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.920
interesting that, you know, seventeen
seventy six was such an important year in

1019
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:42.119
our our Natian's history. May first, seventeen seventy six. Just you know,

1020
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.119
I wonder, I hope it's not
sixty six days, but um,

1021
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:51.960
you know, the Illuminati was formed, you know, May first, seventeen

1022
01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:56.560
seventy six, and two months later, you know, basically America is born.

1023
01:35:56.640 --> 01:36:00.920
You know. It's just I think
about that stuff all the time.

1024
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:06.880
These characters that earn our history books, everything from Copernicus on and on and

1025
01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:15.920
on. If these characters were even
real yeah, and it just it sends

1026
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:25.880
a downward, downward spiral in your
mind of what, what could what could

1027
01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:29.520
have actually happened. You know,
you wish you could be a fly on

1028
01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:33.720
the wall when some of these events
actually happened, and then jump through a

1029
01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:41.520
portal to you know, a different
timeline to where you know, something major

1030
01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:45.119
happened again, to be a fly
on the wall and actually hear what happened,

1031
01:36:46.680 --> 01:37:00.880
to know the actual truth of of
what happened. And it's it's it's

1032
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:06.439
a lot to think about. It's
a lot to dive into. There's I

1033
01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:12.000
mean, you could spend a whole
lifetime diving into this stuff and you'll only

1034
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:18.039
probably get you know, within the
you know, the cherry on top of

1035
01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:24.960
what's actually going on. So and
it's just it makes it that much harder.

1036
01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:28.279
But then at the same time,
it makes it easier for people like

1037
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:35.720
me and you and our listeners to
and our friends to you know, see

1038
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:42.359
these things unfolding before us and saying, hey, you know, is this

1039
01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:45.680
really what's going on? I don't
know, if this is really what's going

1040
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:48.439
on, Let's uh, let's dive
a little bit deeper into it and see

1041
01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:55.079
what's what's behind the veil. And
I think that's where you know, a

1042
01:37:55.119 --> 01:38:00.439
lot of people need to be at
because in my eyes, if you can

1043
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:06.479
imagine, you know, all those
people that are that worship sports or you

1044
01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:11.680
know, if you take all those
if you take all those people and put

1045
01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:20.000
them in a mind frame of somebody
like you or you know, of someone

1046
01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:26.199
of your of your listeners mind frame, and put them there for a week

1047
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:32.439
to you know, do research to
discern for themselves what actually happened in these

1048
01:38:32.479 --> 01:38:38.520
events in you know, World War
two like you stated, or you know

1049
01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:47.239
the Vietnam War even or you know
the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, or

1050
01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:58.640
the moon landing, or I mean
anything along these major headline movements. You

1051
01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:02.920
know, there would I would hope
to think that there would be a big

1052
01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:11.960
movement that would that would happen and
persuade others, even if it's just those

1053
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:21.119
devout sports onlookers. And it's just
sad to think that way. Indeed,

1054
01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:28.000
And you said something, I always
a friend of our family, her daughter

1055
01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:30.640
works for E Entertainment and she interviews
all these people in the Hollywood. I

1056
01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:36.479
always thought that that, you know, whether it's athlete worship or actor worship,

1057
01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:42.640
it was always really cringe to me, even when before I was awake

1058
01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:45.319
to anything. I was never even
when we were at a ballgame with good

1059
01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:48.039
seats, I wasn't asking for autographs. I was just there to enjoy the

1060
01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:50.840
game. I'm not once again,
I'm not judging anybody. I'm just giving

1061
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:55.880
you my point of view. Yeah. Yeah, and that's fair, that's

1062
01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:06.119
that's an awesome point because I was
because every summer from like, let me

1063
01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:11.159
see, it's hard, it's getting
so hard for me to remember stuff with

1064
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:15.760
all the things rattling around in my
brain. But you know, we would

1065
01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:21.000
go to two, three, four
Colorado Rockies games every summer, just me

1066
01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:27.000
and my family, and you know, me and my brother would be those

1067
01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:31.199
two kids, you know, down
by the first baseline, you know,

1068
01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:39.680
hoping during batting practice that you know, Todd Helton or Larry Walker or you

1069
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:45.039
know, somebody would come up.
Yeah, Dante Bichette would come up and

1070
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:53.279
you know, sign a baseball for
us. But it's just yeah, and

1071
01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:56.640
I'm sorry that I'm kind of at
a loss for words right now. It's

1072
01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:02.960
just it's so hard to reflect back
on those times because those are just those

1073
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.239
are just normal people. Yeah,
exactly, and I think it's okay to

1074
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:11.840
cherish those memories one hundred percent.
Like for me with the TV and the

1075
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:13.800
movies and everything, I'm like,
darn, I could have done so much

1076
01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:15.760
better. But at the same time, you can't live your life with regret

1077
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:20.720
either. I think everything happens in
a particular order on purpose. Of course,

1078
01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:25.880
there's i'd be lying if I if
I didn't tell you I didn't regret

1079
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:30.760
some things. But I think once
again, God's puts these things in order

1080
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:32.800
for you to be able to accept
it. Because I used to be,

1081
01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:39.039
like I said, I just I
just wanted to watch sports. That that's

1082
01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:43.039
what I was. That was my
thing. And of course, like so

1083
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:45.920
many people, once you wake up, you're just infatuated and you just want

1084
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:49.479
to consume knowledge and get to the
bottom of every single thing, because you

1085
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:56.319
know, I learned basically our country
was only I guess if you want to

1086
01:41:56.319 --> 01:42:01.039
call it wholesome or whatever, until
about eighteen eleven. Then eighteen twelve,

1087
01:42:01.159 --> 01:42:05.600
the Bank's got involved again, and
it's been downhill ever since. The bankers

1088
01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:12.560
have controlled the world for the last
two hundred I'm sure it's been longer than

1089
01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:16.680
that, but I'm talking here in
this country, they've been in control and

1090
01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:21.760
they really choked us off obviously in
nineteen thirteen with the Federals are being enacted,

1091
01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:25.920
and then they went off the gold
standard in seventy one, and who

1092
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:28.920
knows what happened to all the gold. And of course nine to eleven,

1093
01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:31.199
which we didn't get around too.
We'll have to get into that. Maybe

1094
01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:33.760
you can come on the Fact Hunter
podcast sometime, but we can get into

1095
01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:40.760
that. The gold that disappeared from
I think it was Building seven, Yeah,

1096
01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:46.960
yeah, and it yeah every I
mean, like I was saying,

1097
01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:53.840
before you put one piece of the
puzzle in and then five others appear in

1098
01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:57.920
you in your box ready to be
put back into the puzzle. Yep.

1099
01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:02.800
It's just it's never ending, you
know. Nine to eleven, like I

1100
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:10.399
was saying, is is is my
baby with trying to, you know,

1101
01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:15.079
piece all these things together. And
because that, I mean, I still

1102
01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:25.560
remember what I was doing that morning, And I asked my mom a few

1103
01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:31.319
weeks ago if she remembered what she
was doing, and she she told me

1104
01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:36.439
her whole story, which you know, coincided with my whole story. Because

1105
01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:44.600
I was ten years old. I
was sitting at my we kind of had

1106
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:46.960
a we had our kitchen area,
but we had a kind of like a

1107
01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:54.560
bar section on the other end of
our kitchen area with bar stools sitting right

1108
01:43:54.600 --> 01:44:00.439
there. And I would always eat
cereal in the morning before we're going to

1109
01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:04.680
school, and we had one of
those like thirteen inch box TVs sitting on

1110
01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:11.640
the counter, and yeah, I
was sitting there eating cereal. My mom

1111
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:16.239
was making me my lunch for the
day at school, and me and my

1112
01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:26.720
mom were just sitting there watching it
play out on TV and very vivid in

1113
01:44:26.760 --> 01:44:31.159
my mind, very vivid in her
mind. And yeah, everything just kind

1114
01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:39.600
of snowballs after that, which,
you know, whatever section or whatever event

1115
01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:47.239
that happens with you figuring something out, it turns into kind of like a

1116
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:53.439
snowball effect and then you do more
research on that event, and then it

1117
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:59.239
leads to others and then eventually it
leads. While it led me into into

1118
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:06.079
flat Earth circumstance. But yeah,
I think I don't think the Earth is

1119
01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:15.560
ball spinning in space, rotating around
the Sun with the Moon or orbiting around

1120
01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:25.920
it, yea. And yeah,
it's just it's it's a lot to unfold

1121
01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:31.279
for sure with everything with um because
I don't think the Earth is you know,

1122
01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:36.399
it's not perfectly flat. We have
mountain elevations that go you know,

1123
01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:42.760
thirteen fourteen, fifteen thousand feet maybe
even higher. You know, we have

1124
01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:47.439
depths of the ocean that reach what
you know, seven miles if not more,

1125
01:45:49.039 --> 01:45:51.920
and they've dug as far as I
think that seven and a half feet

1126
01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:56.399
in rush. That's the deepest toll
in the in the world as far as

1127
01:45:56.399 --> 01:46:00.560
I know. Yeah, and then
so it's not you know, I like

1128
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:05.640
the term flat earth because it brings
people to uh to a kind of like

1129
01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:12.239
a community set, like you said
at the beginning of the episode or in

1130
01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:17.880
our in our interview pre episode.
But you know, it's not perfectly flat.

1131
01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:25.279
There's a there's hills, there's valleys, there's rivers, there's oceans that

1132
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:32.600
reach very very very large depths and
you know, very very large you know,

1133
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:40.840
heights. But I think as a
whole, yes, I think that

1134
01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:45.399
we are on a on a flat
stationary plain where Antarctica is kind of a

1135
01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:54.640
mystery because nobody's allowed to go there. And it just makes me curious about

1136
01:46:54.640 --> 01:47:00.800
the firmament, It makes me curious
about about about the stars, about the

1137
01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:09.079
moon, and yeah, flat Earth
is just a crazy thing to to stumble

1138
01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:17.720
upon and to actually invoke into your
you know, your vocabulary. And yeah,

1139
01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:21.840
it's just this past couple of years
has just been crazy for me with

1140
01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:28.000
you know, it brought me it
did. It brought me so much closer

1141
01:47:28.039 --> 01:47:30.000
to God. And then it made
me want to go back and read to

1142
01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:44.840
the Creation and I'm actually going to
order the Book of Enoch and how the

1143
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:49.079
Bible only has sixty six books in
it, but I think fully as a

1144
01:47:49.119 --> 01:48:01.159
whole, maybe possibly it involved seventy
books and maybe four of them were taken

1145
01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:10.560
out due to you know, maybe
too much information or you know, whatever

1146
01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:17.960
you want to call it in that
sense. Yeah, absolutely, it's it's

1147
01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:24.159
an interesting read. How it parallels
Genesis. It's very interesting, and it's

1148
01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:27.600
very eye opening, to say the
least. And then going back to you

1149
01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:30.520
know what you said about nine to
eleven again, we spoke briefly before we

1150
01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:34.239
started recording. I'd mentioned that this, you know, nine to eleven is

1151
01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:39.920
our generation's GfK and we really have
to to step up and make sure that

1152
01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:45.600
the people who were involved in that
ritual. And that's after so many years

1153
01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:50.319
of researching, I mean, countless
hours of research. It's very obvious to

1154
01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:54.760
me that it was a ritual.
But you know that that we we could

1155
01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:58.880
maybe say for for the other podcast. We're actually we're down to our last

1156
01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:02.079
four minutes or so. First,
I wanted to thank you so much for

1157
01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:06.720
coming on today. You've been an
absolute tremendous guest. You've touched on so

1158
01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:14.359
many subjects. Really, you've done
it just a tremendous job. Was there

1159
01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:17.920
anything else that you hadn't touched on
yet that you wanted to touch on briefly?

1160
01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:26.399
Um? I don't. I don't
think so. Um. There's just

1161
01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:32.039
there's so much to unpack. And
I just hope that anybody going through this

1162
01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:39.279
process, like myself, for maybe
even like you yourself, George, when

1163
01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:45.520
you first kind of started down this
path, I hope that you you keep

1164
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:51.239
your head up because it is it
is a very hard road to walk.

1165
01:49:54.199 --> 01:50:01.840
But you know, the the path
is very narrow compared to the path that's

1166
01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:11.920
very wide that leads to deception.
And I, myself and I hope many

1167
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:18.239
others out there would choose to walk
the narrow path even though it's even though

1168
01:50:18.279 --> 01:50:27.760
it's a lot harder, it's it's
challenging, it may label you as an

1169
01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:34.039
outcast. You may even get shunned
upon by some people, your coworkers,

1170
01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:45.479
your your family, you know,
whoever. But I want every listener to

1171
01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:50.960
know that that Yeshua Jesus. I
don't know, that's just that's my thing.

1172
01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:56.840
I like calling him by Yeshua.
But Um, Jesus loves you,

1173
01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:05.600
and he is He is truly here
for you, and he will and I

1174
01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:14.800
know this firsthand. He will help
you through all of this, whether it

1175
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:20.560
at be anxiety or hardship or or
whatever you're going through. I just I

1176
01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:26.000
know it in my heart, and
I I have a feeling that some of

1177
01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:30.479
your listeners know it by heart too, that that he is there and he

1178
01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:38.800
is there for you. And it's
just it's sad with how many souls are

1179
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:45.600
being consumed nowadays by you know,
by all this uh, by all this

1180
01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:49.000
stuff. I want to call it
by a different word, but I know,

1181
01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:56.159
but yeah, it's just it's sad
and it does. It truly breaks

1182
01:51:56.199 --> 01:52:01.840
my heart for for all these people
that are consumed with either you know,

1183
01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:06.720
stuff that you know truly does not
matter in the grand scheme of things,

1184
01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:13.159
and um, but they think in
the moment being that you know, that

1185
01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:19.119
can that consumes their life. So
I just uh, I hope for a

1186
01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:27.159
discernment for those people. I hope
for for we always love to to consume

1187
01:52:27.239 --> 01:52:33.199
their hearts and just just spread from
them because we have we have a good

1188
01:52:33.239 --> 01:52:41.359
community here, we do. There's
UH. I'll never tell anybody false facts.

1189
01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:49.119
I'll never I'll never I'll never spread
anything that's uh, that's like that.

1190
01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:56.239
I want to spread the truth.
I want to spread what what Yeshua

1191
01:52:56.399 --> 01:53:03.439
made. And I just want everybody
to know that they are loved and cared

1192
01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:15.560
for and that to be on alert
for for deception. And a Bible verse

1193
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:21.479
that really stuck out to me was
Ephesians five eleven. So, um,

1194
01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:25.800
if you want to if you want
to look that up, that's a good

1195
01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:32.640
one. We're supposed to, uh, We're supposed to love God and and

1196
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:41.199
expose evil, and I think that's
something that the United States and maybe globally

1197
01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:45.039
as a whole, we we aren't
doing a very good job of. We're

1198
01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:50.319
not exposing evil enough. We're just
living our cushy lives and you know,

1199
01:53:50.439 --> 01:53:56.640
not worrying about a lot of things. We're just working our you know,

1200
01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:01.000
eight to five, nine to five
jobs and Netflix and chill or partying or

1201
01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:09.199
club in or you know or whatever. But the true things that matter are

1202
01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:16.760
are God's love for you and family
and friendship and you know, being being

1203
01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:26.680
grateful for every single day that you
have here. So I think that's it.

1204
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:31.359
You said it perfectly, and I
think I should close with Ephesians five

1205
01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:39.039
eleven to fourteen, because it is
absolutely spot on. It says, and

1206
01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:45.600
have no fellowship with the unfruitful works
of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1207
01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:48.439
For it is a shame to speak
of those things which you're done them,

1208
01:54:48.920 --> 01:54:55.239
done of them in a secret.
But all things that are reproved are made

1209
01:54:55.279 --> 01:55:00.760
manifested by the light. For whatsoever, or excuse me, whatsoever doth manifest

1210
01:55:00.920 --> 01:55:09.000
is light. Again, it says, awake thou that sleep, and arise

1211
01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:13.199
from the dead, and Christ shall
give the light. Really good, there

1212
01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:15.920
you go, Ephesians five eleven through
fourteen. Well, listen, brother,

1213
01:55:15.039 --> 01:55:20.680
it's been an absolute pleasure. We've
been playing an email tag back and forth

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for a while, so it was
finally nice to get a hold of you

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and just have a great conversation that
I hopefully will resonate with the masses.

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And again, Kevin's email will be
in the show description. I always put

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that at the very top, so
you don't have to go looking for it.

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Please reach out to Kevin, and
I'm sure there's a lot of like

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minded people out there that would like
to pick your brain even further. Thank

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you so much, Kevin. Thank
you, George. I appreciate you so

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much. It's been a pleasure in
the I love what you're doing here.

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It's it's awesome. I still can't
believe that I found your your podcast on

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Spotify, and I truly hope to
meet you one day in person. If

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not, I'm absolutely sure that I'll
meet you on the other side. There

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you go. That's a guarantee.
Brother. Well, God bless you,

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and thank you to the listeners again
for all your support, and again the

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next podcast if you're listening Wednesday night, the next podcast with Matthew should drop

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the following Sunday night, May twenty
first, at eight pm. For Kevin,

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I'm George. God bless each and
every one of you. Take care

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and have a good week.