1 00:00:15,279 --> 00:00:20,519 What in krack Alac and fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am dam a valley 2 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,359 coming at you with a delayed emergency podcast on the ogn and obi trade. 3 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:29,320 I guess that means it's not brilliant emergency podcast. I normally try and hop 4 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:33,039 on and do something or even text grant when stuff like that goes down. 5 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:37,920 But I was dealing with a double vision migrain today, so I'm feeling a 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,000 little bit better at night, so I wanted to get this out so I 7 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,719 could maybe make my Sunday more manageable. We'll see if the raptors kind of 8 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:46,200 throw that up in flames. But let's talk about the og an andob trade. 9 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,840 If you're new, very quickly subscribe, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, 10 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:53,759 subscribe across all those places, ratings, reviews, help us out a ton, 11 00:00:54,119 --> 00:00:57,759 join our discord links in the podcast and YouTube description. You can support 12 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:00,799 us by buying our merch as well. Follow us on all the social that's 13 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:04,200 on your screen or in the YouTube and podcast descriptions. Also, let's talk 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:10,079 o g anobody to the Knicks. So the trade parameters are Ognoboy's going to 15 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:15,040 New York in exchange for RJ. Barrett Emmanuel quickly and Detroit's second round pick 16 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:19,200 in twenty twenty four. That's gonna be like number thirty one, thirty two 17 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:22,359 to thirty three probably, so it'll be in that range. Shout out to 18 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,120 the Detroit Pistons for ending there. That's really why I was waiting to record 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,599 this. I wanted to see if they would go in and beat the Raptors. 20 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,079 Shout out to the Detroit for ending their NBA record twenty eight game losing 21 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:33,680 streak. Shout out to the Raptors for letting them end it. And I 22 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,680 think they scored like twenty seven points or something in the last six minutes and 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,799 still loss. It's on it obviously very impressive. One of the benefits of 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,040 me being sick today and not being able to respond or be on social media 25 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:49,159 as much. Not sick but dizzy whatever is. I haven't had time to 26 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:52,840 look at the overall reaction to this trade. I've seen smatterings of it. 27 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:56,599 I mean, I think it's been balanced for the most part. I want 28 00:01:56,599 --> 00:02:00,879 to tackle it from the Knicks perspective first, just because I think this is 29 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,879 a bigger deal in the sense for them, because it represents sort of a 30 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,759 shift and kind of a mini consolidation trade for what they're trying to I mean, 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:15,360 it's equally impactful for both franchise about what it says about their respective directions. 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,000 For the Knicks, this was very much a fit thing. They needed 33 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:24,199 the bigger wing type defender and og Nnobi is the extremist version of that because 34 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:30,599 he can defend one through five and he's gonna give you just as much, 35 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,560 if not more, three point volume than RJ. Barrett. Not a ton 36 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:36,080 of ball creation there, but he's gonna shoot the three ball better, So 37 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,479 that should at least help you open up the court. I think an underrated 38 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,000 aspect of this trade, and we'll see if and one of the reasons why 39 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:45,759 you make it, and we'll see if Tis goes to it, is that 40 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:52,919 O g Nnobe probably allows you to field some different type of looks where Randall 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,479 can play the five, but he's not actually the five like og Annobi can 42 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,120 do that type of defensive stuff. So could we see a lineup where it's 43 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,560 og Randall, Brunson, Devincenzo, and Hart throw Grimes in there sort of 44 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,120 your top six, especially with Mitchell Robinson out and we've seen that Todd Gibson 45 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:14,919 can get overmatched, which is not surprising, and especially while Jericho Sims is 46 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,560 still banged up. I'm just curious to see if that's the type of not 47 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,759 a shift, but something that could become a part of their armory. The 48 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,639 Knicks are signaling, per multiple rumors, that they're not done, and they 49 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,080 did create a mini trade exception from this. They have the human trade exception 50 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,639 known as Evin Fournier. They don't give up any first round equity, so 51 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,800 they're still built to go out and make another move. And when you look 52 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,759 at how they could play on the other side of this deal, there's still 53 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,159 stuff they need because RJ. Barrett, And that gets into the cost of 54 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:51,719 this. If you think the Knicks swindled the Raptors, I will say, 55 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,039 I don't think you understand how good Emmanuel Quickly is. If you think the 56 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,199 Knicks gave up too much, I think you're overvaluing how good r. J. 57 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,960 Barrett is. In this moment, it felt like a fair cost to 58 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:08,319 pay for someone who's headed towards free agency, who wants forty million dollars a 59 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,719 year. That was the report. I'll get into all that, don't worry, 60 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:14,039 and he's willing to take a little bit less. I guess to sign 61 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,079 with the Knicks. We'll see if there's a team out there that will give 62 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,560 Og his max. I'm getting too far ahead. I want to focus on 63 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,639 this season and the play on the court very quickly. First, although part 64 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,279 of evaluating this trade is how it shakes out, because you're dealing with too 65 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:30,040 soon to be free agents in Iq and og Annobi, and then if you 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,560 care about mal Chai Flynn and Precious that you are also going to the Knicks's 67 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,279 part of this deal. But with getting rid of RJ. Barrett, for 68 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:44,680 as much as he struggled, you are now down to secondary primary creators in 69 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,120 IQ and RJ Barrett. The IQ loss is just bigger because the lineups with 70 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,160 him and John Brunston on the court were straight annihilating opponents. And now you 71 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,800 don't have a ton of flexibility ball on ball, skill, flexibility coming off 72 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,879 the bench. Assuming that Donte DiVincenzo is still going to be a starter here, 73 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,800 you did sign Duce McBride to a thirteen million dollar, three year, 74 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,759 thirteen million dollar extension. I do think this deal did signal some type of 75 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,000 faith in him. A lot of it I think was about RJ Barrett, 76 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,040 how much he didn't progress what you needed defensively, oj Annoby's going to He 77 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,560 is the player this team was missing. But now the Knicks, their depth 78 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,639 is missing. Maybe some more creation. Do you think you get enough of 79 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:30,720 it from Devincenzo, from Heart, from Duce McBride. Do you think og 80 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,480 Annobi has another year as sort of a creator. I don't know, but 81 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:39,160 you could also argue that not having to create on ball touches for RJ. 82 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,680 Barrett is a big deal, just because he's been shooting so poorly from mid 83 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,839 range for his career, under forty percent on drives, under six percent assist 84 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:51,560 rate on drives, more turnovers than assists on drives. This year he has 85 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,879 those moments. I've buy and large I think clung to RJ. Barrett's best 86 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:01,560 case outcome more than most. I definitely had started ever since he's returned from 87 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,560 his injury. You just look at this team, and I went on another 88 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,079 podcast. I think Grant and I actually talked about this the other day as 89 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,800 well. You needed to get the upgrade over RJ. Barrett, and I 90 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:15,079 do think I do think you did that. You got the best player in 91 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,800 this deal. Right now. It doesn't mean you're free from concern here. 92 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,279 And I think part of it's going to be, well, what is the 93 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,480 cost of keeping Og? And does he stay? I'll say a few things 94 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,000 here. I don't think you trade for him if you don't have intel that 95 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:31,680 he is willing to stay or wants to stay. And I also think that 96 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:36,600 regardless of what OG costs and his max based off the current salary cap projections, 97 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,879 year one would be forty two point six million, he can sign a 98 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,879 four year one hundred and ninety point eight million dollar max. His five year 99 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,480 max would be two hundred and forty seven point one million, I believe is 100 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,720 the number I've jotted down there. That's a lot of money. I don't 101 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,360 think he gets all of it. I do believe that he'll come in under 102 00:06:55,399 --> 00:06:59,079 forty million dollars. I don't see the team with cap space that's going to 103 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,079 come in with that n I don't think Philly, a better team than the 104 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,600 Knicks, is gonna want to shell out that number for him. And so 105 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:09,360 you get into these other teams that, yeah, they might have cap space. 106 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:12,680 I just don't Detroit can get there. They like Detroit might be the 107 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,480 team if they finagle enough spending power because they really want him. I think 108 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,439 they'll probably wind up exploring alternatives, especially if they don't trade Bogdanovic. Could 109 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,800 the Spurs, They'll have some money to spend. I just a lot of 110 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:28,160 those other teams just aren't gonna be at that point in their development. Could 111 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,120 the Jazz decide that they want to open up caps up that type of cap 112 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,000 space this year and go after og because they think they're going to pay marketing. 113 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,920 They like Oge, they have Caante George, They'll have Walker Kessler, 114 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,600 they have a nice pick coming this year. There are threats. I just 115 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,519 don't see it. I would not give him. I don't think he is 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,120 a max player. I think he's the best player in this deal for now. 117 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:49,839 And what you could say is, let's say he winds up at like 118 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:56,079 forty million dollars as an average annual value salary. I do think the Knicks 119 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,839 and I don't know if this is a conscious decision they made while they were 120 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:03,079 trying to broke or an extension with Emmanuel quickly. I know some people will 121 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,199 say it's not that this might have been in response to how well he's playing. 122 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,800 No, he's gonna hit restricted free agency. I don't necessarily believe that. 123 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,240 I think they probably look at his struggles in the playoffs and what he 124 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,279 was doing against you know, Cleveland's defense at points, against Miami's defense at 125 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,839 points, and how he struggled there. I think they looked at that, 126 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,199 they got Devincenzo, they know they have runs in They're gonna start thinking about 127 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,639 his next deal. They even resigned Hart. I think they kind of collectively 128 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,120 maybe they were holding out hope that RJ would develop into more. I think 129 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,799 this is a decision to say we would rather pay ogn and Obi forty million 130 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,519 dollars a year, let's say, over the next four five years, than 131 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:45,360 pay fifty to fifty five million combined for Emmanuel Quickly and RJ Barrett. I 132 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:50,039 think that's a reasonable stance to take. In large part, two things stand 133 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:54,240 out the makeup of the roster in general, just because you do have Dante 134 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:56,799 DiVincenzo, who is you know, En Brunson who and you have to start 135 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,759 thinking about his next deal too. I'll keep reiterating that having those two guys, 136 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,720 and then even Hart just plays more of a connector role, but you 137 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,639 could just the full floor stuff that he's able to do and how how small 138 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,919 you are already, even though these guys aren't playing the same position. I 139 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,639 think getting some proper, some prop proper wing size, and here someone who 140 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,559 could defend Biggs. I think it's more of that calculation where, yeah, 141 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,759 the Knicks probably had hoped that RJ would have come a longer way, and 142 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,600 maybe you're fine paying IQ and figuring out the rest later. But I do 143 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,279 think IQ's next contracts had a lot to do with it, and so it 144 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,559 was about filling a roster need, feeling like IQ was. Again, he 145 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,200 wasn't redundant, but he was in some respects where if you're going to have 146 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,679 to pay Jaellen Brunson more money, if you're going to funnel a lot of 147 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,600 stuff through Julius Randall, who you have started thinking about his next deal as 148 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:52,759 well. So I think it was as much about that as it was, 149 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:58,360 well, we didn't have IQ lockdown. It was we're comfortable paying O g 150 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,960 Anobi forty million dollars a year rather than paying fifty plus million dollars a year 151 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,600 for these two players. And when RJ's playing like he is at the moment, 152 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:09,960 that's a reasonable bet to make. And I don't think the Knicks's circumstances, 153 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,600 we're ever going to be conducive to him reaching his full potential, and 154 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,559 so far as we haven't seen it already, you would have needed to have, 155 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,440 you know, tailored the roster more to him. And I don't think 156 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,600 after saying that, I would like to see them try these different things. 157 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,679 They've tried enough for long enough to where I just don't think it was going 158 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:33,879 to happen for RJ in New York, and so I think I think this 159 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,080 deal is fair from the Knicks end. I probably like it a little bit 160 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,480 better for them, just because of where they're at. And if you are 161 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,559 the raptors, I think we heard the rumors last year about them being able 162 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,399 to get four first round picks Froji, this definitely amounts to less than that. 163 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:52,919 With all of that said, though, the Knicks gave up real stuff. 164 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,240 Here. We're talking about let's say the number thirty three pick, it 165 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,320 might even be the number thirty one pick, and then Emmanuel quickly, who's 166 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,039 about to get paid. But this is someone who has been no worse than 167 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,519 your third best player this year. I guess just when you factor in the 168 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,360 Mitch injury and how slow Julius Randall started. As of right now, he's 169 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,799 no worse than your third best player of Mitchell Robinson, out shooting over sixty 170 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,039 two percent on floaters, hitting over forty percent of his pull up threes, 171 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,600 over forty percent of his catch and shoot threes. He defends his ass off 172 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,840 I love what the opportunity he should get in Toronto, having more agency over 173 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:31,679 the offense, seeing if he can improve his playmaking from me in between ranges. 174 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,440 Giving him up comes as as a real blow, which is why I 175 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,320 think maybe this was a voted confidence and induced to some extent, but it 176 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,200 also just might be perhaps the Knicks aren't done. If they're not gonna go 177 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,639 out and get another creator type who's on a you know, maybe they try 178 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,440 and get a veteran point guard, Like do they just join the Tigas Jones 179 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,639 Sweet Stakes at some point to try and steady that, or do they kind 180 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,960 of bet on, well, we're gonna still try and skew offense where maybe 181 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 it's not someone who's going to be a capslog playmaker, but someone with size 182 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,120 who stretched the floor. I wouldn't take them out of the balling on by 183 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,679 Donovia Sweet Sakes in so far as the I think I would take them out, 184 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,039 but that's still someone they could theoretically look at. There's stuff they need 185 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,799 to do without IQ there. I do love the idea of him getting more 186 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:20,039 reps in Toronto. I don't think Toronto's ecosystem is necessarily conducive to maximizing IQ. 187 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,799 He's used to working in tight spaces, but this is kind of a 188 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,919 whole different animal within Toronto. There are some lineups. Look, if you're 189 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,200 gonna play Pascal at the five for stretches, and you want to roll with 190 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:37,519 Scottie Barnes Pascal GTJ barretting quickly, that might be your most versatile lineup right 191 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,279 now. If you consider that Oh could RJ hit more than thirty three something 192 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,399 percent of his threes, So there is hope for that element of their offense 193 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,399 to come up. But now you're getting another guard in there who can do 194 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,080 stuff with the ball, who doesn't compromise your spacing. So he gives you 195 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,639 more ball skills than Ogannonobe, and he's gonna come cheaper than Ogannobi by virtue 196 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,000 of his max salary in year one would not isn't going to be what OG's 197 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:07,840 max salaries I don't think IQ gets the MAX. I just don't see the 198 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 team in RFA that's going to come in and give it to him. His 199 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,519 MAX salaries thirty five and a half million dollars a four year MAX would run 200 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,320 about one hundred and fifty nine point one million dollars. If you can get 201 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,960 him for like twenty seven thirty million dollars between twenty five and thirty million dollars 202 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,440 a year at this point, that's probably a win for the Raptors, and 203 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,799 they could be looking at RJ as saying we believe perhaps he has a higher 204 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,679 offensive ceiling if he hits his ninety nine percent of outcome then OG and just 205 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,919 given his size and our ability to maybe insulate him defensively with having Scottie there, 206 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,200 having Pascal there right now, even having GTJ, you can still be 207 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,559 disruptive, even though he's regressed. Having IQ getting these two guys, I 208 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,440 could see them viewing it through that lens. I think I like the deal 209 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,120 a little bit less for them, though, because I don't love the RJ 210 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,519 Barrett fit right now, and I think that if if you were going to 211 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,600 move Annobe, I don't know if this is a matter of we don't want 212 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,480 to pay Anonobe. We didn't tell that he didn't even really want to stick 213 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:09,720 around. Is it a combination of both. I don't know. You did 214 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:15,000 treat RJ. Barrett like a quasi asset in this deal, which is reasonable 215 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:18,279 to do when he's twenty three years old. He's got three years and eighty 216 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,879 three point one million dollars left on this deal. I think that's why this 217 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,679 becomes such an intriguing proposition for the Knicks, because I view RJ's contract right 218 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,519 now as a net negative, as something at the bare minimum you could john 219 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,759 Collins it, whereas you gave it up for a team that had cap space 220 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:37,080 and you didn't have to take back bad money in return. I thought it 221 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,440 was something they would have to do over the offseason if they weren't going to 222 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,519 attach first round equity to quickly amounts to first round equity. But you're also 223 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:48,600 getting someone else who would, in theory, mandate first round equity in og 224 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,320 Anenobi, so to give up as the Knicks give up on quickly, and 225 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,080 then a second round pick, a high second round pick to get a player 226 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,480 who you couldnt have signed in free agency unless it was signed in trade. 227 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,200 Because you didn't have the cap space and also the player who fills your biggest 228 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,840 area of need at the moment, and now you have another largest area of 229 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,240 need when you're looking at kind of finding that creation off the bench. Even 230 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:15,600 if you were start to Futzon fiddle and more Devincenzo off the bench, you're 231 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:20,720 just going to be at that shot creating and making deficit a little bit more. 232 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:22,159 Maybe you're not, Maybe you're just deep enough. I would expect the 233 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Knicks to stagger more of Brunton and Randall. They have played the vast majority 234 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:30,799 of their minutes together. They can split that up now, and I think 235 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,600 you can argue that's maybe beneficial to the team and it would open up some 236 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,759 different types of lineups that you could try. And again, maybe we get 237 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:41,440 to see them test out a little bit more of OG's ball skills. I 238 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,000 just don't hate the return for Toronto, even though I like this Seal a 239 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:46,120 little bit less than them. Are you willing to pay quickly? Is this 240 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:50,000 someone you think that you're gonna reroute? Not now at this point, because 241 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,799 you can't be He's not gonna be able to be reaggregated before the trade deadline, 242 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:56,399 So you're probably not moving him unless you can get a top end first. 243 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:58,320 Where if the Spurs came in and said, hey, we'll give you 244 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,519 back your own first this year, would you look at that. But I 245 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,919 don't know what it says yet about their overarching direction, which is almost why 246 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:08,600 I wanted to wait. And Grant and I will probably talk more at length 247 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,440 in the middle of the week. But Pascal Siakam's kind of extension deadline is 248 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,279 going to come and pass. Where if he can, you know, sign 249 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,720 an extension if he's traded before a free agency that puts a clock on it. 250 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,799 You want to get until up till basically June twenty ninth. So I 251 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:26,960 think, look, we're kind of passed. We might be passed that deadline. 252 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,480 I can't remember exactly. I don't know what this says about the Raptors 253 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:37,080 overarching direction though. If you had to make a choice between Siakam and og 254 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Siakam is the better player right now. Og Anobi's the better fit if you're 255 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,840 looking to build around Scotty Barnes. So that's why I don't think this was 256 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:51,159 necessarily an either or decision on their part. I think it's either an all 257 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,679 or nothing proposition to where it's like, no, we're just gonna we're rebuilding 258 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:59,240 around Scotty. We like IQ's fit will take the flyer on RJ and Siakam 259 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:03,080 will be next to go out. Or they just had the intel of what 260 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,559 OG was gonna cost to stay there, or maybe he was gonna leave regardless, 261 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,799 and so they decided to get off of him. Now I don't I 262 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,880 really just can't believe that this came down to saying, well, this is 263 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,519 the team we want to move forward with, like we view Pearl, Barrett, 264 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:27,119 Siakam Barnes quickly shrewders there right now as this sustainable core the spacing is, 265 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Is it worse? I don't think it's worse because IQ can do more 266 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,640 stuff off the dribble than OG and create spacing that way. And in fury, 267 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,440 I guess you can say RJ might eventually shoot league average on catching fire 268 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:44,839 threes, but like, the spacing is still wildly shaky, and so to 269 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,079 see RJ as a second draft type of prospect, I would have liked to 270 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,680 have seen him in a different offensive environment compared to the one that Toronto can 271 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,880 offer him right now. But you can't roll it out he's still just young 272 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,319 enough. Maybe something clicks there, maybe he improves a lot to something. 273 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,799 Do they streamline his role in some regard, I would like him a lot 274 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:08,279 better in Toronto off We're gonna see more of these sort of downsize the lineups. 275 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,519 But I just don't. I don't look at this and feel like I 276 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:17,799 have a better understanding of what the Raptors are doing. And this is I've 277 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,599 not read any subsequent reports. Like I said, I'm trying to give my 278 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,799 own analysis here, and I would assume, if I had to guess, 279 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,759 this does make it more likely that you move past GALSIAKA, maybe even try 280 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:33,480 and find a taker for yakam Pertle. It does feel like it's a harbinger 281 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:38,359 of we're looking to not start over, but take a meaningful step back, 282 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:45,519 lay of the land, recaliblatebrate and reorient, reorient the roster. I don't 283 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:48,720 love. I still just don't love. I don't feel any differently I should 284 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:53,960 say about the Raptor's roster much differently now than I did before this trade. 285 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,880 I think, if anything, the offense is a maybe, it's it could 286 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,440 be meaningfully better off just because you are getting two other ball handlers. In 287 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,720 there in exchange for Malkai Flynn, who you're not really using it to begin 288 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:10,200 with, wasn't playing a huge role for you, pressures that you has been 289 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,519 all over the place. And then Ojijus doesn't do a ton of stuff on 290 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,079 ball. I mean, over eighty percent of his buckets this year are coming 291 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,920 off asis. So the offense could I could say the offense might be slightly 292 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,759 more dynamic. I don't know. The spacing probably isn't any better. If 293 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:27,119 anything, I might argue that it's just is it worse? No, because 294 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:32,039 you have IQ and I'm just so intrigued with the long term A Manuel Quickly 295 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:36,240 fit here. You still need to make other moves sort of on the margins. 296 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,519 And if you want this to be the roster, if you want it 297 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:44,640 to make sense, they need another shooter or two still, and even just 298 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,319 there's no way right now to get the lineups where all your best players are 299 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,839 on the court and you're a net plus in the spacing department because your best 300 00:19:52,839 --> 00:20:00,119 players are Siakam Purdle, RJ. Barrett, A Manuel Quickly, Scottie Barnes. 301 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:03,839 If you want to throw GTJ in there, you're gonna have to mix 302 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,960 and match with those combinations, just because Scottie barn has been better shooting the 303 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,799 ball than most expected, but Siakam's pulled back there. Purl's not a floor 304 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:15,599 spacer, and RJ. Barrett right now is a negative floor spacer. So 305 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,480 those are three of your six most important players. That's not really any different 306 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:22,000 of a situation than you were in though you have a little bit more ball 307 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,799 skills on the roster. We'll really have to see where it goes. I 308 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,640 don't think, like I said, I just don't think the Raptors are done 309 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,079 selling, is how I frame with. They might not be done buying, 310 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,000 but they're not done selling. And I think the Knicks probably have like another 311 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,960 move, maybe it's miniature in them. Do they still maybe try and look 312 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,880 at just getting a more of a conventional big I've seen Daniel Gafford mentioned I 313 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,640 would still look at Xavier Tillman might be a name they look at. I'm 314 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,880 hoping, though, this og coming over lens itself to saying, oh, 315 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,160 we're more inclined to play, you know, we play small points to begin 316 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,480 with. When Julius Randol's not on the court and you're looking at the four 317 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:03,000 rotation, I'm hoping the singles a willingness to try the Og, Julius Randall 318 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:06,880 front Court and then Jalen Brunts in those are the three, and then fill 319 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,839 it out how you'd like. I'd probably rather see Grimes and de Vincenzo, 320 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,440 just because I don't know that I'd try, I mean even hard, like 321 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,559 just two of those three guys, and let's just see what those lineups really 322 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,880 end up looking like. Overall, I think it was a justifiable trade by 323 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,039 both parties. And look, if the Nixon Raptors can continue to do business 324 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:32,559 together when one franchise was suing the other, then hey, any franchise can 325 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:36,319 do business together, right. I don't know if I have any other thoughts 326 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,519 on this the contract situations though. Will Og go back to New York? 327 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:42,480 You still don't you're not pot committed here. You didn't give up a ton, 328 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:45,799 But this isn't a movie you make if you're not planning on paying him. 329 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,759 Like I said, his max start to forty two point six. A 330 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,279 four year max would be four years, about one hundred and ninety one five 331 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,880 year max five years in two hundred and forty seven million IQ. I'd be 332 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,759 shocked about a four year max would be one hundred and fifty nine million for 333 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:03,880 him thirty five and a half million starting max salary and his next deal RJ's 334 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,400 owed another eighty three million over the next three years. That that is gonna 335 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,759 be part of it. Specifically, Yeah, the RJ learning curve, but 336 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,960 the quickly restricted Tree Agency and then OG's unrestrict the Tree Agency has that player 337 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,720 option for the Knicks, though, is it disastrous if he leaves. No, 338 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,480 you still kept all your first round equity. But I would say this 339 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,759 is a play you make. This was not They're all in play, but 340 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,799 this was a fairly aggressive play and it is. There is a risk just 341 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,119 giving up on IQ here, But I think this elevates their ceiling. I 342 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:38,359 also think this elevates the dynamism in Toronto at least both in the short and 343 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,720 the long term. And I personally am hoping this kind of shows all right, 344 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:47,559 the Raptors are ready to If they're not gonna hit reboot in full, 345 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,799 it's they are rejiggering the roster around Scotty Barnes a little bit, just because 346 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,359 even I like the idea of not that I love the idea more of having 347 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,079 RJ and IQ without Siakam around Barnes. I think Nanobi was the better fit 348 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,720 if he thought he was leaving, he was an expiring contract. Their cardinal 349 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:07,079 sin was probably not moving him sooner, because I do think you could have 350 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,599 gotten better value than this if you really do believe in RJ. Barrett. 351 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,000 And we know that there's been just some murmurings, both officially and not officially, 352 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:21,000 that Toronto has been interested in RJ. I don't know as like just 353 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:23,119 the degree to which they're interested, where it's, oh, like, we 354 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,039 like him, he's a nice player, and we could see him thriving here. 355 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,039 But I just the RJ with Quickly, with Scottie Barnes, Siakam dynamic, 356 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,079 and then if Perl these are just still lineups I don't necessarily want to 357 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,240 see. I just don't. I don't think they made out poorly here though, 358 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,160 and I think a lot of it just has to do with how good 359 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,680 amountual Quickly is Right now. We just have to see where his price point 360 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,680 land, and so this is definitely a trade that plays out I think just 361 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,200 on the immediate level that we're here right now, the short term basketball level, 362 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,160 and then the long term basketball level, which is, well, what 363 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,400 does this look like for the rest of the season, But are the Raptors 364 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,319 keeping all these guys? So it's more so the long term basketball levels more 365 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,799 for the Raptors or the long term team building level, And then for both 366 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:15,839 these franchises, it's what happens in the summer. How much does it cost 367 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,400 to retain these guys? Are we retaining all these guys? And I do 368 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,039 think Ogi Ananobi's the bigger flight risk just by virtue. I know Toronto has 369 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,799 maybe drawn harder lines in the sand when it comes to paying players, but 370 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,680 he's an unrestricted free agent. So just by virtue of if he wants a 371 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,599 bigger offensive role and maybe pulls the Jeremy Grant type situation where he'll go to 372 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,240 a worst team that just promises more offensive reps than the Knicks we're willing to 373 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,400 give him, he's just a bigger flight risk. And so there is real 374 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,680 risk there, and you're just bringing in a player who is the best guy 375 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,720 in this deal. But I do believe IQ could be the best player in 376 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,480 this deal one day, just by virtue of the agency he has over the 377 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,720 offense, and as someone who has an off the dribble offensive repertoire, not 378 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,319 just the jump like, not just the threes that have been going down this 379 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,319 year, but is in between game sixty two plus percent this year on floaters 380 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:07,400 and doing some nice things with runners and just hitting his pull up twos in 381 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,400 general. I think he's at forty seven percent on pull up twos, which 382 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,960 would be a lot higher than last year, might even be a career high 383 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,279 for him. There very interesting trade here, defensible for both sides. We 384 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,319 just have to we have to watch it play out. Like I said, 385 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,319 what does it look like this season? What does it mean for the Raptors 386 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,119 Leading into the trade deadline? I would expect the Knicks to make another buy 387 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,319 play, whether it's for a big because they still don't want to do what 388 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,559 I'm talking about where they're running smaller, or it's a it's a trade that 389 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,200 lands them another creator to where well, we don't want to stagger Brunson and 390 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,279 Randall as much as we might have to now, or as would make sense 391 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,079 now that we gave up on Quickly and Barrett, and maybe they won't. 392 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:52,079 They might trust the Devincenzo heart just bench heavy lineups. So again I'm fascinated 393 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,319 by this. Can't wait to get into it a little bit more with Grant 394 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,119 next week. I think it was a reasonable call for both teams to make. 395 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,920 I will say I think it's hook. The Knicks were overdue for a 396 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,960 trade, but I don't think they got hosed on the value here there. 397 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:10,000 Cardinalson might have been not moving RJ Barrett off sooner, but to get og 398 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,119 An Andobi the best player in this deal as of now without giving up any 399 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,839 first round equity. And then if you're the Raptors, you're the guy who 400 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,000 is heading into free agency, who's gonna have a whole bunch of suitors you 401 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,480 probably would have needed to. It's easier for teams who are better than you 402 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:27,359 to give og Anobi thirty five plus million a year if you were a contender 403 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,359 or a fringe contender like the Knicks, where you can probably talk yourself into 404 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,519 paying that price tag just a lot talk yourself into that more. And we 405 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,440 still need to figure out the stuff with whether og wanted to be there or 406 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,799 not. Both these teams have made mistakes getting to this point. But even 407 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,400 under the less than ideal circumstances where we could have gotten more out of Runway, 408 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,920 out of the RJ Barrett contract based off where it is now. The 409 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,519 fact that you didn't have to attach an actual first round pick to this. 410 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,519 On top of quickly, I actually think is a win because og An Andobi 411 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,240 more than quickly even it quickly becomes the best player in this seal, more 412 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,559 than what RJ. Barrett is doing right now. He is the most desired 413 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,559 prototype of a player in the league just period, and so the Knicks got 414 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,559 him now. I don't think they'll get any run out of having Malachai Flynn. 415 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,839 I think could we see some precious Atchua play the five spot. I'd 416 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,160 like to, especially when you're gonna go up against some athletic teams now, 417 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,559 and TODDH. Gibson just isn't fit for that. Maybe Jericho Simms will be 418 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,480 back in a few games though, and that leaves this moot PRESSUREA Chu is 419 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,880 one of the most frustrating players in the league, though I picked him into 420 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,279 a most improved player last year. So that's the gamut of emotions and impressions 421 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,519 and sentiments of precious a chewa at that that I'm running. Finally, look, 422 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,839 we'll get into more of this trade. Let me know what you think 423 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,680 about in the comments or getting discord. If you haven't already, please join 424 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,559 our discord subscribe if you haven't. This is gonna be the first of I 425 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,519 think wod said we're in for a slow trade season. We hear that every 426 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,799 year there's going to be business, even if it's not blockbuster. We've now 427 00:27:55,799 --> 00:28:00,599 had two blockbusters moving oh Giannonoby to New York and IQ to an Arch Toronto 428 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,799 as a blockbuster James Harten's in LA. There will be more fireworks, and 429 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,720 I think we're gonna see more from both of these teams. I think if 430 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,920 you're a Pascal Siakham suitor, this has to peak your attention a little bit 431 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480 more. This is a bummer for the teams that I think should have been 432 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,960 in on OG He would have been interesting and okay, he've been interesting anywhere, 433 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,000 but okay, see Sacramento for sure. Wanted to see him there. 434 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,519 So those teams is kind of a bummer if he thought you were in the 435 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,559 mix for them. If you're a Sakham team, like I guess, Sacramento 436 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,680 is considered a SEACAME team. We know Atlanta's a SEACAM team. But this 437 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:37,240 makes that trade even more complicated because now I'm assuming the the uh Raptors a 438 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,400 less inclined to take on to Jontay Murray. If you're a de Jontay Murray 439 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,799 suitor, you kind of have to like this maybe a little bit because you 440 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,960 know that, well, Murray's not going to the Raptors now, they don't 441 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,039 have a need for him. Does that, you know, up the aggression 442 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,759 or if you were a quickly suitor, let's say there will be dominoes here, 443 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,759 So I think it takes some scenarios off the table, increase the likelihood 444 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,920 Seacame's there. So if you're an og ad Anobi suitor, this is a 445 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440 whether it was the Grizzlies, the Pelicans, the thunder the Kings were my 446 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,720 favorite destination where I think he would have made the biggest difference, but he 447 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,279 would have made a difference for just every single team in the league right now. 448 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,160 And I think, look, if you're the Nets and you have Dorian 449 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,960 Finney Smith or maybe even Royce O'Neil here, that might allow you to you're 450 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,480 gonna be a team that I think it's called upon more leading into the trade 451 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,359 deadline. So there will be other ripple effects, but I don't think we're 452 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,440 done with the actual teams we're talking about, and the Knicks I think are 453 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000 one of the most fascinating teams in the league because they were kind of right 454 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,640 on the fringe of are they one player away, one non star away from 455 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,759 entering the echelon of Okay, we might not be Milwaukee and Boston, but 456 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,000 could we be on the level of Philly or just below Philly? And they 457 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,119 were arguably maybe, Then if you're moving removing those three teams from the equation, 458 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,680 they're already there. But how much does this elevate their immediate ceiling? 459 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,559 That's what I don't think the Raptors have elevated their immediate ceiling at all. 460 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,359 I think they've made themselves more dynamic. The Knicks, I think I think 461 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,400 they have elevated their ceiling. But we're gonna have to see how the Benjamin's 462 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,880 play out. Tim's willing to try out different lineups, also stagger Randolin brunts 463 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,039 in a bunch. But I'm now talking in circles, which means that's time 464 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,960 to go. Thank you all for your support, have a helping at the 465 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,240 new year, because we're you know, throwing up a second podcast during the 466 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:17,480 holiday weekend. We'll hope, hopefully everyone enjoys it, appreciates it. 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