1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,320 Okay, Echo it is. So Echo is coming out next week. Our 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,400 review schedule is gonna be whenever we're done, we will review it. So 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,199 it'll either be the Wednesday, Thursday or Thursday fright, whenever will be, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,359 but it'll be within that week. You'll be gettings because it's only five episodes. 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,359 Drops that Tuesday, six pm PST, so we'll be reviewing all five. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,760 So I was going to ask us as a prediction question, but I'm 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,160 just gonna lay it all over to Dylan first, because he has the experience 8 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:31,920 and you tool one day that both visit and off Hero and one of the 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,359 more it's not Foggy, but he is one of the more guys. Can't 10 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:37,920 remember his name, Chris, if you're still in the chat, please tell 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,759 me, or maybe s Bubbs. But one of the more like writers guys 12 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:44,920 in MCU confirmed that the Netflix shows, at least Daredevil are part of the 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,759 Sacred timeline. So you and me for years talked about, heyess ken is 14 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:52,240 this is not we talk about what she hall inspire man, But seeming like 15 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,359 now they're going forward just saying yeah it's canon, maybe because they just look 16 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:00,640 at the show. Okay, So that's what I asked. But I think 17 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,799 the thing is with this show, it sounds like there is connections. There's 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,040 a new teaser, which we're not gonna review tonight, but there is a 19 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,799 teaser. The first thirty seconds it's all footage from Daredevil with Kingpin, so 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,159 they're like, they're doing all So it looks like I agree with you, 21 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:15,760 But it looks like they're trying to say, well, that's that's that's some 22 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:19,280 good info. I should have my tongue. Yeah, I didn't tell you 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,640 that though. That was my bad. So what do you think about this? 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,000 It's I was gonna ask in the prediction question, like oh, would 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,680 they connect? But seeming like they're kind of sating the stage for it. 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Looks like they're just going with it. Yeah, this is Cannon and maybe 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,599 I don't think anything's gonna be mentioned, but still you know, yeah, 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,280 I mean, honestly, at this point MCU, it's so messy and there's 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,120 been so much stuff and we kind of forget, like the moon night is 30 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:45,959 in this six one six. It's like, in what way is that meaningful? 31 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:48,400 And the answer is like not at all? So I feel like why 32 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:51,560 not in that? I mean, going back to Daredevil. I've never rewatched 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,959 it, but I do remember that there was like newspaper clippings of like The 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,519 Battle of New York and stuff. So obviously in those shows they reference the 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,879 movies a little bit, very very minimally, but it never really happened back. 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,039 So it's nice to kind of finally see them get the time of day 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:13,159 here. And I wonder just timing wise, because for years and years and 38 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,159 years those shows were still just hanging out on Netflix and now they're all on 39 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:19,159 Disney Plus. So I wonder if that's part of it too, in just 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,960 terms of a rights thing where they never really bothered messing with it because Netflix 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,159 would have probably got a chunk of the pie. But maybe now that's a 42 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:30,639 different thing, and maybe Netflix would get zero dollars if they can reference that 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,360 stuff. I don't know how all that works, but I have to assume 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,319 it's something along those lines. But yeah, I would say it's pretty exciting. 45 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:42,879 I'm curious what that will really mean if it's just like, Okay, 46 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,439 we have the origin for a variety of these characters, and that way it 47 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,879 makes it easier to just drop a Jessica Jones or Luke Cage or punisher in 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,080 these shows, and we have this backstory where we have the origin or to 49 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:57,479 established, and then all that stuff, once again is on the same streaming 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,680 service that you're gonna watch Daredevil and Echo on, so you can just go 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,960 watch those shows if you want to fill in the gaps in that way. 52 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,439 But yeah, I that's very exciting to me because it just makes it feel 53 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:10,520 like, rather than that door just being slightly a jar for those characters to 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,080 come into, the MCU, which is just like is wide open and it's 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,639 a lot easier. And at this point, once again with MCU, it's 56 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,240 so big, it's so expansive. There's TV shows and movies and specials that 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,319 it's, uh, the required reading element of it is like impossible. At 58 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:27,000 this point. There's no way to be like, oh yeah, just watch 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,400 like this one thing and you'll be good to go. It's like it's just 60 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,000 such a mess that why not make it even more of a mess and throw 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,199 all these characters in there. So that's pretty exciting for me. I don't 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,080 I guess I'm gonna keep my expectations low in terms of how much how meaningful 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,479 it'll be. But you know, even then, with like Echo being the 64 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:46,280 first kind of R rated thing and those Netflix shows being very R rated. 65 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,960 Yeah, it seems like maybe there'll be some more connectivity to those than we've 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,000 had in the past with MCU and being kind of more light and fun and 67 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:58,199 Quippi and all that. Yeah, our our years paid off, you know, 68 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,599 all true. Yeah, there's a lot of hard work, man, 69 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,840 some of those weekends, just blasting through twelve hours of Jessica Jones in the 70 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:08,840 season that wasn't so good, Jones season three on Sunday morning, you know. 71 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,400 Yeah, Yeah, I think I'm the same series. I think it's 72 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,800 just because they own them now, it's easier just to be like, well 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,639 it's ours now, where before it's like a god, do we really want 74 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,000 people? Like it's almost like they didn't want people going to Netflix for sure. 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,000 They want more like we got a Disney Plus coming. We want to 76 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,279 be those shows. And at least that tells me for the most part, 77 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:30,240 because we'll see what happens. But like I always make the joke where Venom 78 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,560 came the MCU in his postcred scene in the next movie, they kicked him 79 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,319 out right. This is like even with the worst stuff of Netflix Marvel, 80 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:41,800 which I don't think there's anything. I think maybe I did fail Jessica Jones 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,759 maybe one of those seasons, but like it's nothing bad enough. I guess 82 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:46,279 for Figgi and team and be like, we can't have that like a part 83 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:50,639 of that. And even then the connections might just be just primarily for Kingpin 84 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,079 Daredevil, right, Like, I still don't think we're gonna see Iron Fish. 85 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,639 I do think we're gonna see Jessica Henwick though. I think she's gonna 86 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,560 come back. Now, why that one so specifically just because everyone loves it 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,360 Bigger Star now yeah two? Yeah that too, like knives down, she 88 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:04,879 has that other road trip when we come out. But I just think everyone 89 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:08,000 with Iron Fists, even the people that hated that show, is like, 90 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,839 but I really like calling Wing So I just feel like she's like a natural 91 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,160 get her. So yeah, I feel like and that thing. I feel 92 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,800 like they'll just be like, oh, yeah, we heard about you fighting 93 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,959 the hand. Yeah it's connect to the show, but that could be anything 94 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:25,560 that doesn't if you give no context of oh, well this person had died, 95 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,959 you brought this person back. I'm not gonna say. Because kirkle and 96 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,639 and Tearr hopefully gonna be reviewing it. Daredevil's Season three is going into production 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,680 or Daredevil Born Again is going into production soon, so they're they're working on 98 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:38,160 that. But so no, I like that at least do you all the 99 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,439 characters back? I will be curious though, when we get to our first 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Luke Cage Iron, like, you know, does this mean because so far 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,000 we've gotten it sounds like Christen Ridgards coming back. We've gone and off, 102 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:50,959 we've gotten Cox, we've gone on birth and all. So that's what it's 103 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:55,720 like, is everyone coming back. I'm curious gonna be what's the first if 104 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,680 there's gonna be a recast, you know, if it's gonna be like yeah, 105 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,240 we don't really or if they just avoid those characters right, like yeah, 106 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,800 we don't need Iron Fits, we got Colleen, we got sung She. 107 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,360 We'll just leave Danny rand alone for a bit, you know, right, 108 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,199 Yeah, I guess like that's how you want to look at it, 109 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:13,040 because it seems like, uh, I can't remember name Elektra from the old 110 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:16,000 movies. It seems like she's guaranteed to be in Deadpool at this point, 111 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,279 so it's like, in some world, I guess you could consider that a 112 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:21,240 recast if there's like this new Electra even though it's an old Electra. So, 113 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,160 but I don't know if she'd be sticking around or just there for a 114 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,879 fun came Well, I think she's going to be specifically the Jennifer gar or 115 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,000 the Fox Universe Electra, right right, which I guess that's not six one 116 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,040 six, but I mean into six one six, like who knows. We 117 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,519 still don't really know what dead people? Oh yeah, yeah, how that's 118 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,680 gonna work? Right? Hearn Cox together? Sure? Or why not? 119 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Let's let's see what happens. You know, maybe they get married just like 120 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,439 her and Ben. You know about a couple of kids. Why not? 121 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:51,759 Never too late? It's never too late? Yeah, and superd Mike. 122 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,240 They still haven't reference to ABC shows yet. So Agent, Well, it's 123 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,079 weird because they say, like you said, Agent Carter, but on Disney 124 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:02,720 Plus, Agent car is in the timeline and Jarvis from that show was in 125 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:09,040 the MCUs. I think Agent Carter's technically can and I think Agent Shield is 126 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,759 can. Do you I feel like I should I never have? If you 127 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,360 watch it be part of my ranking, I guess, Yeah, it's weird, 128 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,120 right does that? Oh? Does that mean that the Netflix shows are 129 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,920 now part of the ranking after rank them, that's that's gonna be he I 130 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:29,600 don't because technically then the Spider Man movies are a part of them. I 131 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,319 say, my list is like Marvel Studios ranking. That's what I say. 132 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:38,199 That's like, go buy Kirk seen the shows. Any thoughts on this fast, 133 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,040 I'd say it's nice to know, like a, it's nice to know 134 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,439 like rules of engagement going forward and like where these shows kind of lie, 135 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:48,160 but like beyond that, like Dylan was bringing up, like there is just 136 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:54,040 so much convolution if that's the word going on right now at the MCU of 137 00:07:54,120 --> 00:08:00,519 like trying to pin where exactly things are because pinking pin king exactly. So 138 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:03,519 like I guess now them saying that, it's like Okay, we can at 139 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,720 least not necessarily expect but not be too surprised if something's from the Netflix Daredevil 140 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,759 or any of the Netflix shows do pop up. And is this getting more 141 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,319 excited for your your watch of it, because now you're like, okay, 142 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,120 at least I can't wait for our retro. Is that a retro even if 143 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,319 Taylor and I haven't seen it, Yeah, it's a retro. It's gonna 144 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,000 be five years old and you guys haven't seen it, right, so same 145 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,879 thing. It's like like I don't know if Dyl's gonna be on, but 146 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,079 I think for Joker will probably do retro because you Kirkland here, we're not 147 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:30,720 on the review, so I'm like, well maybe and I'll talk about Joker 148 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:33,000 again. So it's five years old. You know, that's our rule, 149 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,840 so we don't retro anything more than five years last. It's like, hey, 150 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,039 you know, why not so because that review is just me, Dylan 151 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,440 Breggs. Everyone else's gone. They're like, right, And then we did 152 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,720 the review on Greg's show as well. We did, right, I forgot 153 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:48,240 that was like our first appears on Greg show? Yeah, well yeah, 154 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:50,440 Who's midnight hit? I was like, man, this is the year Taylor 155 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,840 and I are finally doing the the Daredevil retual bullshit. They're gonna push it 156 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,240 to next year. They're not gonna do it until we get actually at least 157 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,840 day Daredevil, and they're gonna just sink in the it and those when you 158 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,600 should start sooner because it is like those are some long gonna be like it's 159 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,519 gonna be like you and Dylan do it like like you have a start date 160 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,960 on like Sunday started Friday night. Oh yeah, put that harsh timeline on 161 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:18,960 yourself, Taylor less more excited. H I feel overwhelmed, to be honest. 162 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,320 I mean, there's just because the retro. I don't know you're gonna 163 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,320 do it all. Now. You've already seen Iron Fist, right, so 164 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,480 you're you I've seen I've seen all Iron Fists. I've seen season one of 165 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Jessica Jones, so I got my foot in the door. I would love, 166 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,480 at some point yet just to go and polish off all of those other 167 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,519 shows. But Daredel is the main one. You didn't watch Defenders, No, 168 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,480 I didn't. Yeah, I feel like that would have been the one. 169 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,000 You feel like I could get into it because I didn't watch the other 170 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:50,960 shows prior, so, like I didn't like Luke Cage and again Daredevil, 171 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,440 I didn't have a lot of that baseline going in. You're not Frank Castle 172 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,440 guy too, That's like another one you could just start like, Oh, 173 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,799 I like Punishers. He does have his own show, doesn't he two seasons? 174 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:03,600 Yeah, they did a lot over there. They did like eight seasons 175 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,600 of Marble stuff, so it's good too. Yeah, so there there's that 176 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:13,519 whole small little universe, that street level universe that I definitely want to engage 177 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,480 in and dive into. So I'll just have to pick my time for when 178 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:22,399 I do that. But my priority is definitely Daredevil anniversing myself and and and 179 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,120 that I feel like hawkeyed Hawk, I definitely brought me into the fold. 180 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,200 It brought me into this like the Kingpin setting. It brought me, okay, 181 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,720 the street level crime. And trust me you that's not the key, 182 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:37,879 like the key like you expect that he's not wearing the big hat and Uncle 183 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,120 Jack. He's in Dared Devil. Yeah. I I do think though, 184 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:48,960 the fact that this has been canonized, like I'm seeing it, I ask 185 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,159 now, I think that's that's cool. I always took it at at as 186 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,399 that fact back when they released the shows. I just assume, like the 187 00:10:54,759 --> 00:11:00,000 candidate they did. So yeah, I think that's uh, that's good stuff. 188 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:01,720 All right, let's tay go first, ad break and then we'll get 189 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,120 into some more predictions, so we'll be right back. And we are back. 190 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,720 So who else do we expect to be in the show. Do you 191 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,039 guys think there's gonna be any more? We know Daredevil's in there. We 192 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,399 know Fisk in there. Do you think there's gonna be any other MCU characters 193 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,320 appearing debuting or you think that's gonna be kind of it? I feel like 194 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,519 this is one that personally, for myself, I don't think I've heard a 195 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,480 single rumor of a character outside of Daredevil and Kingpin. Yeah, which they've 196 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,879 shown us obviously, so we know that's like a lot yeah, which yeah, 197 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,080 yeah. So it's one of those things where it's like, man, 198 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,080 I'm sure that would have leaked if someone is on set here there. I'm 199 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,879 gonna go with Punisher. That's my prediction. Oh fuck, yeah, this 200 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,279 is the time R rated. Yeah. I feel like there's less bag and 201 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,759 you just throw him in there and he's doing something. He's talking, talking 202 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:54,519 to Red or not. It could just be his own I mean, I 203 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:56,480 was looking at IMDb and it looks like Daredevil's in all of the episodes as 204 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:01,639 well as Kingpin. So I'm guessing they're being is that I think Fisk might 205 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,960 be. That's all I have a prediction. I don't think I doubt no 206 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,799 anyone can update that. You you could get a pro count and go on 207 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:16,600 to mess with me. Today prediction points. So the only person that I 208 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,879 really I think Frankcastle is a good one, even if there's like I think 209 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,559 there could be a lot of allusions to characters, like saying symbols always hear 210 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,799 this scuttle but you know that type of stuff. The only character I think 211 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,159 is possible. And then I really want because I'm fine, it is only 212 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,159 five episodes, so it's gonna be not as long as something said. I 213 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,879 guess we usually dealing with six, but it's a little less. I'm hoping 214 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:41,840 for Turk Dylan. That's who I'm really hoping for if they want to do 215 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,879 And you guys will understand when you watch the Daredil Netflix and all those shows. 216 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:50,200 He's long of the marvel. Yes, he is this goon that would 217 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,240 just always pop up in every show. I think Punisher was the only one 218 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,720 he didn't pop up in, but everyone he was always this guy just getting 219 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:03,360 into some bit. Yeah yeah, but he's not like a terrible criminal like 220 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,360 you're He's like friendly enough. So I'm really hoping for Turk because I think 221 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,559 that would be a great another if peelers saying, oh there's some connections to 222 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,320 Netflix stuff right there, you see Turk, like, oh man, there 223 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,600 we go, and I just would love I want that joke again. I 224 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,120 want Turk to be around all the time, especially if Daredevil stays eighteen episodes. 225 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:28,039 You gotta make Kurk not Kirk, not from uh from fucking Dexter. 226 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,120 Turk has to make his way in there. That's That's what I'm happening hoping 227 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:37,960 for. So nice, There you go. You guys have any character, 228 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:41,200 Like first one that came to mind would have been something like Hawkeye related, 229 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,480 just because that is where he was. But I don't know what Jeremy Renner 230 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,320 like, not him, Yeah, exactly, like that would have been the 231 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,399 pick, especially just like the the tie to her him like well, obviously 232 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,759 when we have that episode Kate Bishop like, yeah, I guess that would 233 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:03,200 be like the follow ups yeaheah, just because she's a lot more capable to 234 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,600 be uh, I don't know, be doing a lot more action stuff right 235 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,519 now and track do they make an appearance, right the guys trust a Brow 236 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,879 or whatever they could that could be her mom's in jail, right, so 237 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,720 probably won't. Yeah, probably not her. You could though, I could 238 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,000 see like some king Pin scene where he's on the phone with her. I 239 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,159 don't know what's her name, because I always remember if it's Eileen or something 240 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:35,360 I just watched that always remembers Eleanor. I never understood I was close. 241 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,080 He says it, Yeah, I'll go with Kate Bishop. Then I don't 242 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,639 know. I just some Hawkeye character that she'd be fun Marvel's echo back to 243 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,600 back appearance for her and just tailing back in the MCU in a big way, 244 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:50,360 like my, we want you to be in the Young Avengers. She's 245 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:52,639 like, I'm a thirty five year old woman. I'm not going to join 246 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,799 the Young Avengers. You know, I'll get out of here. I'm an 247 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,279 Avenger. Get Eleanor in there too, Yeah, we need you. The 248 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,399 girl in the chair, Yeah, girl in the chair that Uh what if 249 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:07,000 a Young Avengers just had t Yeah classic crew Spidy this Marvel Kate Bishop in 250 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Turk, Yeah he got bit by a radioact of jelly Bean or something. 251 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,720 Delight, What about you too? Anybody expecting a part of me thought, 252 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,720 well, what if she Hulk were to just kind of like sneak on anything. 253 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:31,840 I don't think mature rated show just creeping around the corner. Uh, 254 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:33,679 you know, are like, yeah, mature rated, but you got you 255 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,240 got one lawyer and sure enough with this one lawyer, another lawyer might fallow 256 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,200 suit saw that in her show, so it could be in this show too. 257 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,440 Yeah, you never know. It's a Daredevil for sure, but maybe 258 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,840 not Nicho. Yeah, I like that was gonna be my fault. How 259 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,639 many episodes do we think Matt Murdoch slash Dared Devil will appear in? What 260 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,480 if he's on I D B? How many is it total right now? 261 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,320 Is it five? Oh? My gosh? Yeah, it's not long and 262 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,320 they're not a full hour so wow. Okay, I'm gonna go to I 263 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,679 think he's gonna be in the first and the last. I'm gonna say middle 264 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:18,120 last, but too as well, Middle Last, weird spread the middle Last. 265 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,039 I'll do three episodes, three episodes which you're spread? Which episodes first, 266 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,519 middle, and episode and four don't watch them watch him good Chaos. 267 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:32,360 I'll go for I'll go for three episodes as well, but I'm gonna go 268 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,000 with three, four, five. I think he's comes in there for the 269 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:41,080 for the trilogy finale, and do we think there's she dies whatever? Yeah, 270 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,639 episodes? Do we think it's all Daredevil all Matt well, we know 271 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:51,039 it's there's a daredel, But do we think we see Matt Murdoch at any 272 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,919 point? I feel like we have to write got it? Yeah? Yeah, 273 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:56,679 good in those glasses a little bit he does. Yeah, dare you 274 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,759 see Matt Murdoch? I think we do. I'm just trying to picture, 275 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:07,319 like the context of what we would see him in lawyers leaving room. Yeah, 276 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:10,960 I don't. I don't picture this to be a lawyer drama at all. 277 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:11,880 I don't know if he'll se him in the courtroom. I think he's 278 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,519 strike a romance with Echo maybe, Wow, what if that was his thing? 279 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:18,720 He just romances all these characters. It is in the comic books. 280 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:23,279 He is a huge Karen Page black widow. There's a bunch of other people 281 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:26,240 that like he's like a big womanizer in the comics. He has a long 282 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:32,240 history of Alstuley Elektra just getting it on with ladies. So I can't keep 283 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:36,240 them though, No, he can't, he can't. He's too he's too 284 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:40,279 fu Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna ask this, but there's no one 285 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:44,039 really to like. I don't think there's that much interesting to ask. So 286 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,440 I was gonna say a combo of like where do we end off Slash who 287 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,960 dies? Because I feel like the only people we care about who dies would 288 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,559 be like Echo and Kingpin, and I think we don't know what we know 289 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,599 that they're all in Daredevil anyway, Yeah, right, like there's no one 290 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,200 Unfortunately, it's kind of like a series that way, where it's like, 291 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,079 oh, well, they're all going forward, that's right. I mean, 292 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:06,519 like where does this kind of end? Like is Echo a full on known 293 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,839 hero? Is she on the run? Is she maybe in prison? I 294 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:12,200 don't know, like and where's what's Kingpin doing? But like what like what 295 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,319 do you guys in envision from kind of the ending point of this, like 296 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:21,759 where our characters lead to I think they'll be leading or where she will be 297 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,440 leading is somewhere in a team setting. I don't know if it's gonna be 298 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:27,519 like a seven event, like you know, she's got her uniform, like 299 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:32,640 she's putting it on and it's all like super hype moment leading into Echo will 300 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,079 appear in whatever it might be. I I just feel like it'll be a 301 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:40,319 big heavy hint as to some sort of collaboration and maybe that'll just be like 302 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,599 you know, if I if I do get my Kate Bishop appearance. Maybe 303 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:47,759 she's doing like a similar thing that was going on and oh my gosh, 304 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:52,519 what even was that scene when we had that Oh my gosh, I'm blanking 305 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,880 right now on the end credit scene with Kate Bushop who thank you? Yes, 306 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,640 there you go, like something similar to that. But I don't know. 307 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,759 I think it'll be a team just like to give us some sort of 308 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:07,119 heads up of where she's gonna be next. I think this is gonna be 309 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,440 a very isolated show. And so obviously we know, yeah, those other 310 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,240 well, all those three main characters are gonna end up being in Daredevil in 311 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,960 some way, shape or form. But I honestly, I don't think this 312 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:23,720 show is gonna have a huge impact on the greater world of the MCU, 313 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:29,400 maybe just like further world building on what's going on in New York, because 314 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,400 even then, like in Hawkeye, I feel like that stuff was very much 315 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,240 just alluded to, Like king Pinino was actually like barely in that show. 316 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,039 Yeah, and we kind of have a very small understanding of what his role 317 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,799 is. And now obviously if we're bringing in all these Marvel Netflix shows, 318 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,480 and that bolsters the lower quite a bit, but they want to establish that 319 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,880 stuff in the MCU, So I think I think that'll be more what it 320 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,759 is is really just more of a world building piece and then just a fun, 321 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,680 R rated intense adventure with I'm sure some good emotional stuff and getting more 322 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,119 into the character of Echo, even though we already have a pretty good understandive 323 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,200 of who she is, I would say, m M, I guess. 324 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:10,480 I guess also too, like she had that one pal in Hawkeye and he 325 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,119 died, right that made the guy who was like a translator, yeah, 326 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:17,400 clown. Yeah, So I'm trying, Like I guess, we don't really 327 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,920 know of any other friends of her, so maybe that will be a big 328 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,039 thing, is setting up a couple like her, her group, her surrounding. 329 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:26,839 I don't know if it's in the way of like a big superhero team 330 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,000 up in the way you mentioned Kirkland, but obviously that'll be a part of 331 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,519 the show, right, She's got to have some some friends that she talks 332 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:37,880 to. I hope not. Actually really it's a solo because I just feel 333 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,119 like we still don't know so much about her, you know, Like that 334 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,599 was always my complain about Echo, of like I'm not opposed to being a 335 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,680 spin off, but just like no one gets they didn't give anyone a chance 336 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:48,680 to fall in love with her and Hawkeye because I just feel like they made 337 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,440 her kind of a goon at times. And then when she made the turn, 338 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:55,119 I don't know, she shot Kingpin in the head and then went off, 339 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,000 you know, So I just that that's what I want, I wanted. 340 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,920 I feel like it ends with her kind of on the run, where 341 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,160 maybe there's an obstacle that's put in her way that she does. I think 342 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,240 she succeeds. It's the classic wins the battle, not the war. Kingpin's 343 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,400 still gonna be at large. I think, like the rooms have been there 344 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,759 gonna do. He's gonna win may Or somehow, and they're gonna do Devil's 345 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,119 reigns. I feel like they're gonna set up and I am really hoping, 346 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,440 I know, me and Dylan talked about weeks ago, like these rumors of 347 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:25,079 Spider Man featuring all these street heroes, Like I want that to be true. 348 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,880 So I feel like it'll be like a she's in the wind just trying 349 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,799 to take Kingpin down. But I hope there's like a journey that she's gone 350 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,359 on that I feel connect That's all I want is I just want to feel 351 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,519 connected to Echo, so when this ends, I can be excited for But 352 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,119 I'm with Dylan where I think this is gonna be very much almost similar to 353 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,200 like what Moonnight was, where technically, like you could take Moon and I 354 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,079 out, it doesn't really affect the mc at all right now, right It's 355 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,240 like I still problems with like a giant crocodile or whatever being in fighting in 356 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:56,000 Egypt or something, but take like just ignore it. No one knows, 357 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,559 no end credit didn't tie to anybody like Echo has more ties right now to 358 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,559 the MCU than Moonnight. So I think it's just gonna be a solo type 359 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,319 of adventure. I'm sure she has some friends, but I still want to 360 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,440 be like Karen and Foggy where they take up half the screen time. That's 361 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:12,480 what I don't want, you know. I don't need, like, you 362 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,039 know, character a friend that she's known since high school and she's like an 363 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,279 investigator. I don't want that. And yeah, I just feel like that's 364 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:23,960 a good way to learn about her because what I guess it could be like 365 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,519 Kingpin doing some deep analysis on who she is. But I don't. Yeah, 366 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:32,319 I don't know if I for I guess her and Daredevil like those two 367 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:38,440 could really bond over I guess the challenges that they have to overcome with just 368 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,039 their disabilities, I suppose, So I guess that could be a good way 369 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:45,319 to dig more into this than those characters. Can you imagine if the first 370 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,519 episode is just Kingpin like talking to his goon and he's just like describing Echo 371 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:52,680 and like giving the tire backstory, you don't even like really see her except 372 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,599 for like three flashbacks goes to the next episode. Oh it could but you 373 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,400 could literally have Kingpin Dumble Echo, and then the whole season is like how 374 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,039 they got to that point, right, you know, because like we also 375 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,519 don't know the Echo Daredevil's stuff. If that's present day, that could be. 376 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,160 That's one of my theories of that fight is like because there's clips of 377 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,279 that that I could be like a time where she was working with Fisk and 378 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:17,160 she bumped into Daredevil, So like like I I wonder how much they will 379 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:21,799 talk and conversate, but they should because I got similar experiences even just dealing 380 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:26,000 with Fisk, right is like an enemy, so big enemy, big friend, 381 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:33,519 Taylor. Any thoughts where we're going, I mean, the coming off 382 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:38,079 of Hawkeye and seeing Echo's character there, it's it's hard for me to really 383 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,480 kind of guess what's gonna happen for her, because I wish I watched Hawke 384 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,880 Actually it's a good holiday show. So I just to kind of like refamiliarize 385 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,440 myself with her and what her kind of emo was at the end of that 386 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,799 series and what she was going to be kind of going off to do some 387 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:56,000 soul searching and whatnot. I just find it. It's to me, it's 388 00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:00,920 weird. I don't know fisks abilities, I don't know his astray all that 389 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,640 well. So just to take a gunshot to the head of course, d 390 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,400 mcu. So no one ever, no one, no one has ever really 391 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,160 gone. I guess people could just keep coming back. So he's got no 392 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,279 abilities. He's just he's supposed to be regular. His ability is that he's 393 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,279 that big and he's like ninety five percent muscle. Yeah, what was the 394 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:21,920 joke? A bullet it was? I think in that. Yeah, well 395 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,759 he survived the gun shot and he's back. So yeah, just I like 396 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,519 what you said there, Trevis, because it possibly is like some flashback stuff. 397 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,279 Maybe like that would be interesting to see Echo and dar Devil fighting in 398 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,400 the past, but again, i'd love to see like current stuff at play. 399 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,960 But I understand stuff like that does serve to add a lot more depth 400 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,319 to our characters and their relationships and dynamics with each other, So I see 401 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,920 the value in that. But yeah, I really don't know where they're going 402 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,880 to go with this show, and with five episodes, I'm curious to see 403 00:24:55,839 --> 00:25:00,640 where this does lead to and what their mo is for these character after the 404 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,319 fact, if they're gonna be continuing onto that street level stuff, and what 405 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,400 are their characters gonna come into the fold when they start expanding on the street 406 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,599 level stuff. Have they given up on like the the theater, going experience, 407 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,319 the move, big large movies like Okay, we're just doing Disney Plus, 408 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,079 I think it's the reverse, No more Avengers. I think they're gonna 409 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:19,440 start giving up on the shows, or at least get less of them. 410 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:26,200 I think I think they'll really start scaling back. So end credit do you 411 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000 guys, what do you have for end credit in mind? Hmm? Kate 412 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,880 Bishop talking you know, Recruit and Echo? No, I could No, 413 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,880 it's reverse again, Kate Bishop's going home and Echoes sitting there, like, 414 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,880 I want to talk to you about Team the Defenders, Like, wouldn't that 415 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,640 be They've how come they? They should do that with Spierman. You know, 416 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,680 we talked about Young Avengers. They should have one character where each team 417 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,079 is like trying to court them to be I guess I could also be Kamala 418 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,559 too, because she's a mute. Now I could see in the future we 419 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,519 get Young Avengers, Avengers and X Men all trying to get Kamal. But 420 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:59,359 they should do that with some character of they're kind of caught in the middle 421 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,519 of all these different teams, and I think that would be a fun storyline. 422 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:07,640 But yeah, how do you like? I don't know. That just 423 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,200 feels like you have to be split across all these projects too. It might 424 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,440 be hard to get that on screen. I guess yeah. I think you 425 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119 could only do like a one face thing but kind of the same way as 426 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,200 well as a special. That's what they should do, a special where the 427 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:22,960 different teams are trying to recruit this one case. Maybe yeah, sit down. 428 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,440 I was thinking more like in you know, in Civil War, like 429 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,200 okay, Ironman, three, Pepper and Tony they're getting married Civil War, 430 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:34,480 they're broken up Spider Men Homecoming. They're back together and they announce their getting 431 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,799 married press conference and then in Findy War like she's pregnant. So that's why 432 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,119 I kind of you could do it that way where you just got to plan 433 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,720 three to four films in a row and make sure camals and all of them. 434 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,119 And it's just like a little bit I'm not saying like the main plot 435 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,319 line, but they're really strong at linking three to four projects together in this 436 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,000 current they were they were, you know, I hope I'm rooted for again. 437 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:57,880 Yeah, I'm hoping for coming back. They had that writers strike, 438 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,559 you know. It's my post credit is uh, definitely gonna be a Kingpin 439 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,759 related thing where you know they beat him here, but then you didn't. 440 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,200 He's in a dimly lit room. He and he's the mayor of New York. 441 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:17,519 Yeah, I'm with you, Dylan. Where either it's Kingpin and it's 442 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,680 a mayor teas or that's the end of the show. My bold thing is 443 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,039 no end credit, because they've done it a few times now. We didn't 444 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,759 get that actually, just the hammer hitting. Yeah, we didn't give an 445 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:33,599 any fist. So, I mean he's working out, he's dropping the weights 446 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,079 on the ground. That's all you hear. We didn't get an endgame. 447 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,599 We didn't get one in Secret Invasion. There was I think another one where 448 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,920 I think we got one, but it was kind of like a oh even 449 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,440 like Miss like the Marvels, we did get one, but even one they 450 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,400 like moved to the end of the movie. So I'm gonna say, because 451 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,960 it's Marvel Spotlight, remember their first one, They're gonna really emphasize, Hey, 452 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,160 you don't need to worry about what's coming next. This is something you 453 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,279 can enjoy by itself. So like that, that's what I'm saying. No 454 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,039 end credits a piggyback. Let's say on credit either I can't do that. 455 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:22,440 Let's you kirk them what already gave comes back. Anyone have any predictions you 456 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,240 want to throw it before Taylor chat GPTs it up. I think this is 457 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,160 gonna be the second lowest show, slightly above Yeah, were you gonna ask 458 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:36,519 the viewership question, Oh, this is the easy lowest for me, So 459 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,359 even lower than Miss Marvel. I haven't slightly higher than It's tough because they're 460 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,599 gonna do this ship and I We're never gonna know because they did this with 461 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Percy Jackson where they released the numbers, but it was Disney Plus and Hulu 462 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,759 combined, and it was like it's higher than Mandalorian, higher than Loki, 463 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,759 but like, no, they we never found what just the pure Disney Plus 464 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,559 number was because Mandalorian and Loki also did not have Hulu, so it's like 465 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,519 that's kind of skewed. But even without Hulu, I could see this being 466 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:08,319 the biggest Hulu relatives to Disney Plus. I don't know, because we don't 467 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,920 have here. I think it's like sizeable, but I don't know. But 468 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,559 I'll be gonna say if we ever get just the Disney Plus numbers, which 469 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,240 they're getting, they're being more like even Loki. We I don't even think 470 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,640 we got the premiere numbers. We just get the Disney umbers, there being 471 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:22,559 more stingent on that. I think the numbers we get are just us anyway. 472 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,400 Usually. Yeah, So if we do get numbers, I think it 473 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,039 would be the lowest. I don't I just don't think anyone knows who Echo 474 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,160 is. I'll go in between Miss Marvel and Secret Invasion, which are the 475 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,039 lowest, the two lowest shows, so I'll say it's the second lowest and 476 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,440 I don't. I don't have the numbers for Loki to in front of me, 477 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,160 but I assume that I assume that did better than Secret Invasion at the 478 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,559 Red it did? I think it did? Oh? Okay, maybe this 479 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,640 eventually did come up. Is that a Hulu one too? Though? Numbers? 480 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,160 I think it did less than Loki season two though, or Local season 481 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200 one obviously. Well, yeah, that's hard to beat at this point, 482 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,160 it looks like, which is surprising me. Still, I really thought, 483 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,000 you know, these numbers would climb. That's just how it goes. But 484 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,839 yeah, because their first day one for Loki was that was under a million 485 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,039 as well, but that was for day one. That's the problem too, 486 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,160 because sometimes they give us day one. Sometimes they stay first three days. 487 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:22,279 So Disney touted as the second most watched thing of the year behind Mandala Oarian. 488 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:26,000 So who knows all relative stats? Yeah, yeah, it's hard to 489 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:37,680 know, all right, Taylor hit us? Okay? So title Echoes of 490 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Destiny Okay, good everybody. If you want to find out where the start, 491 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,880 go, listen to Bloopers episode very funny. I caught a U what 492 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:52,240 is it? What's something? A pattern? Yeah? For Spider Verse flash 493 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,720 Loki and something else. It was all blah blah blah, unleash. It 494 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,039 was Spider Verse unleash, the Flash Multiverse unleash. So AI like to use 495 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,200 the word a leash a lot. So this is this is what again? 496 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Sorry? Echo was this is Echoes of Destiny. So this is new destiny 497 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,640 has got to be up there for the GPT. Yeah generation, Yeah, 498 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,519 I would think so. Okay. So in the vast expanse of the multiverse, 499 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,599 Maya Lopez, the Indomitable Echo unveils a sinister plot by a clandestine organization 500 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:32,279 to apheave reality itself, teaming up with Loki. Got a mischief already already 501 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,960 after season two. He's back. They hid it from us in the marketing. 502 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,119 Yeah, he sure didn't send that tree long now he's that he got 503 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:45,759 bored. Multiverse is just a disaster now and Saraphina storm now is that? 504 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:52,480 Who is Saphena storm? Not my storm? Not my storm? A shadowy 505 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,000 operative shrouded in mystery. Uh. Echo embarks on an odyssey fraught with peril. 506 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,519 The narrative takes a tragic turn when Clint Barton, the revered Avenger Hawkeye, 507 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,960 falls prey to insidious betrayal orchestrated by Convergence, a multiversal puppet master. 508 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,759 Grieving and thirsting for justice, Echo, why are they going to Hawkeye? 509 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,599 He's just a home family. Why does this multiverse threat coming to Clint Barden? 510 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,440 Poor guy? Fuck? Uh? Grieving and thirsting for justice, Echo, 511 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:30,279 Loki and Seraphina set out to expose convergences machinations across dimensions, guided by 512 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:35,720 the cosmic entity known as the Living Tribunal. Echo learns of her destiny Living 513 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:45,200 Tribunal, Big Marvel Snaphard, Living Tribunal. Uh, it's all good. 514 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:50,480 Echo learns of her destiny intricately woven into the fabric of the multiverse. Convergence 515 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,799 revels in the chaos his ambitions, transcending the very boundaries of reality. As 516 00:32:54,839 --> 00:33:00,200 the traverse the Multiverse, they encounter allies from Alted dimensions, including Captain Carter, 517 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:05,359 an alternate rally, Captain America, and Spider Man twenty ninety nine futuristic 518 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:09,640 Webslinger. Wow, we're getting We're getting Miguel's debut here. That's the Echo. 519 00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,160 We are wondering when Spiderman's next MCU appearance. I got one more and 520 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,720 Echo, look at that This show's gonna be definitely bigger than Secret Invasion. 521 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,880 Together, they confront Convergence and his colossal army and an epic battle that defies 522 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:32,079 the laws of space and time. Zero percent accurate. No, just the 523 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:36,079 first episode is gonna be what we saw about Fisk and then the conversion. 524 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:44,880 Yeah, and the sunning twist. Hawkeye returns nice, not alone, but 525 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:52,000 with an army of Mutants and the notorious Doctor Doom at his side. There's 526 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:57,559 no way it is the lowest show on Disney. Plus long Guy's New Avengers 527 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:05,960 is the Mutants and the notorious Doctor Doom. Yes, surviving his seemingly final 528 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,719 moments, hawkeye strategic brilliance and leadership inspire the Multiversal Allies, turning the tide 529 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,599 to the conflict. He's really trying to prove that he's not the weakest of 530 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:21,199 Venger. He thinks his death to appear as he's the most brilliant. Listen, 531 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,480 Tony, I got the X Men together, I got Doctor Doom. 532 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,280 Who's Doctor Doom? Oh? Yeah, you didn't meet him, but I 533 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:34,840 don't like that name. Romantic tensions escalate between Echo and Loki. Was going 534 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:42,440 to be Clint. I'm so worried right, I don't really see it, 535 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:50,920 but cool no chemistry, while the mysterious Saraphina's role becomes even more enigmatic the 536 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,400 battle. As the battle crescendos, Echo faces a moral quandary, challenged by 537 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,480 the Living Tribunal's revelations about justice, love and destiny. The climatic showdown reshapes 538 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,320 not only Echoes world, but sends ripples across the multiverse. A secret Avenger, 539 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,519 long thought lost, emerges from the shadows, leading an army of mutants 540 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:13,280 and the imposing Doctor Doom. Their combined might adds an overwhelming force to the 541 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:21,119 beleaguered heroes. Convergences defeat marks a triumph for the surviving heroes, scarred but 542 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,400 resolute, Echo, Loki, Serafina, and the Secret Avenger. I guess 543 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,280 they're implying. Hawkeye stand united, promising unresolved tensions, lingering mysteries, and 544 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,440 the ending and the enduring impact of the multiversal clash and the expansive marble somatic 545 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:39,599 universe. Nice double is the multiverse A So there you go. There is 546 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,840 a post credit scene for you. You find folks out there amidst the smoldering 547 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,880 ruins of the multiversal battlefield. The camera pans to a enigmatic figure observing the 548 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,800 aftermath. Cloaked in shadows. The silhouette steps forward, revealing the unmistakable cowl 549 00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,320 of Doctor Doom. His cold, calculating eyes survey the chaos. Let's do 550 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,239 see, I can do it, voice survey and the pieces are in place. 551 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,920 The multi verse has showing its vulnerabilities. It's time to seize control. 552 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,679 Like we've know, we know that you have a sizeable sound board, and 553 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,480 you're like, you know what better than the soundbird? Right now, I 554 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:23,519 got some hands. Let's go on a cappella right here? He doctor, 555 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,880 Yeah, go ahead. As Doctor Doom disappears in the shadows, the scene 556 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,679 transitions to a clandestine meeting in a dim room. Everything was clandestine and enigmatic 557 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,840 in this uh, in this spirit. I like that dude was in a 558 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,199 shadowy era already. But then now we're going to a dimly lit room at 559 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,800 a sleek, high tech table. Read Richard's of the Fantastic four gambit and 560 00:36:44,880 --> 00:37:00,199 echo gambit. I don't know why that's you don't uh? And I read 561 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,519 Richard says the multiverse is a fragile web, but we've just seen an unravel 562 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,360 We need to be prepared for whatever comes next. Gam I don't know what 563 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:22,480 you're talking about. More on me, yeah, Gambit smirking says, I 564 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:23,599 wanted to act. I don't know if I can do it good. He 565 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:28,599 just hits on echo right here were they're talking about the multiverse, slim par 566 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,480 He's like, oh on me, ah, it's a pleasure to dance the 567 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:43,800 edge of catastrophe. He made French. There no no, no echo nodding. 568 00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:45,719 We've seen the sas. We can't afford to be caught off guard. 569 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,440 The trio continues to discuss the implications of the multiversal clash when Spider Man twenty 570 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:57,679 ninety nine Miguel O'Hara swings into view. Spider Man says, looks like I'm 571 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,840 not the only one who decided to stick around after the party. Read Richard's 572 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,920 you weren't invited, dude, read Richards smiling. The multiverse may be in 573 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,480 flex, but together we can be its architects. So what I'm getting think 574 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,400 from this is so they teamed up with Doom to say the multiverse, but 575 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,079 then Doom wants to take over said multiverse, and they gotta go against Dooms, 576 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,719 so they work with him for a bit yeah, they should have doctor 577 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,679 Doom. That's what Tony says. The Hawky he kept saying his name Hawkeye 578 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,559 is not a part of the secret meeting. No, remember how we mean 579 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:34,480 down to Hawkeye died. He has explained to Tony what happened, right, 580 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,559 and he's like, well his name was Doom, Like why the fuck did 581 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,920 you trust her? You know? But very I can't wait for the show 582 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,480 now now, I'm really hyped. That's gonna be a good one. I 583 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,159 can't wait for the first appearance of Living Tribunal and how he looks Gambit doctor 584 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,639 due. Usually these generate a couple of things that's like, yeah, that 585 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,199 makes sense, that's logical. This even from the first sentence was just complete, 586 00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,000 Like what what? I just want to know before your next ad break? 587 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:00,159 What was the question you asked? Because, like Dale said, like 588 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,039 I feel like Echo, like yeah, she gets the Phoenix force at times, 589 00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:07,119 but like that, why do they jump from big multiverse saga? You 590 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,599 know, like that's what's odd? What was the question? The setup question 591 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:15,320 you asked? It? Let me see write me, uh write Me, 592 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:22,159 a canonized Marvel Sinomac Universe movie focusing on the Marvel Comics character Echo include having 593 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:29,280 dynamics and relationships with other Marvel characters explored, including new and unfamiliar Marvel Cinmak 594 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,920 universe characters. Do you really have to type that much to get it to 595 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,440 generate this kind of thing? Yeah, I wrote break the barrier and don't 596 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:44,000 write a safe story. Oh my god, that's a special ingredient writing poetry 597 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:49,159 to this to generate something. Friends with this guy, aren't you hope? 598 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,239 You said after the strike, bake, break the barrier, write a good 599 00:39:52,280 --> 00:40:00,280 story, and you better put Gambit in the books. Let's take ca thanks 600 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,840 sad break, and then we'll be right back with us mother Marvel News. 601 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,320 We'll quickly hit that so well be right back