Okay, Echo it is. So Echo is coming out next week. Our
review schedule is gonna be whenever we're done, we will review it. So
it'll either be the Wednesday, Thursday or Thursday fright, whenever will be,
but it'll be within that week. You'll be gettings because it's only five episodes.
Drops that Tuesday, six pm PST, so we'll be reviewing all five.
So I was going to ask us as a prediction question, but I'm
just gonna lay it all over to Dylan first, because he has the experience
and you tool one day that both visit and off Hero and one of the
more it's not Foggy, but he is one of the more guys. Can't
remember his name, Chris, if you're still in the chat, please tell
me, or maybe s Bubbs. But one of the more like writers guys
in MCU confirmed that the Netflix shows, at least Daredevil are part of the
Sacred timeline. So you and me for years talked about, heyess ken is
this is not we talk about what she hall inspire man, But seeming like
now they're going forward just saying yeah it's canon, maybe because they just look
at the show. Okay, So that's what I asked. But I think
the thing is with this show, it sounds like there is connections. There's
a new teaser, which we're not gonna review tonight, but there is a
teaser. The first thirty seconds it's all footage from Daredevil with Kingpin, so
they're like, they're doing all So it looks like I agree with you,
But it looks like they're trying to say, well, that's that's that's some
good info. I should have my tongue. Yeah, I didn't tell you
that though. That was my bad. So what do you think about this?
It's I was gonna ask in the prediction question, like oh, would
they connect? But seeming like they're kind of sating the stage for it.
Looks like they're just going with it. Yeah, this is Cannon and maybe
I don't think anything's gonna be mentioned, but still you know, yeah,
I mean, honestly, at this point MCU, it's so messy and there's
been so much stuff and we kind of forget, like the moon night is
in this six one six. It's like, in what way is that meaningful?
And the answer is like not at all? So I feel like why
not in that? I mean, going back to Daredevil. I've never rewatched
it, but I do remember that there was like newspaper clippings of like The
Battle of New York and stuff. So obviously in those shows they reference the
movies a little bit, very very minimally, but it never really happened back.
So it's nice to kind of finally see them get the time of day
here. And I wonder just timing wise, because for years and years and
years those shows were still just hanging out on Netflix and now they're all on
Disney Plus. So I wonder if that's part of it too, in just
terms of a rights thing where they never really bothered messing with it because Netflix
would have probably got a chunk of the pie. But maybe now that's a
different thing, and maybe Netflix would get zero dollars if they can reference that
stuff. I don't know how all that works, but I have to assume
it's something along those lines. But yeah, I would say it's pretty exciting.
I'm curious what that will really mean if it's just like, Okay,
we have the origin for a variety of these characters, and that way it
makes it easier to just drop a Jessica Jones or Luke Cage or punisher in
these shows, and we have this backstory where we have the origin or to
established, and then all that stuff, once again is on the same streaming
service that you're gonna watch Daredevil and Echo on, so you can just go
watch those shows if you want to fill in the gaps in that way.
But yeah, I that's very exciting to me because it just makes it feel
like, rather than that door just being slightly a jar for those characters to
come into, the MCU, which is just like is wide open and it's
a lot easier. And at this point, once again with MCU, it's
so big, it's so expansive. There's TV shows and movies and specials that
it's, uh, the required reading element of it is like impossible. At
this point. There's no way to be like, oh yeah, just watch
like this one thing and you'll be good to go. It's like it's just
such a mess that why not make it even more of a mess and throw
all these characters in there. So that's pretty exciting for me. I don't
I guess I'm gonna keep my expectations low in terms of how much how meaningful
it'll be. But you know, even then, with like Echo being the
first kind of R rated thing and those Netflix shows being very R rated.
Yeah, it seems like maybe there'll be some more connectivity to those than we've
had in the past with MCU and being kind of more light and fun and
Quippi and all that. Yeah, our our years paid off, you know,
all true. Yeah, there's a lot of hard work, man,
some of those weekends, just blasting through twelve hours of Jessica Jones in the
season that wasn't so good, Jones season three on Sunday morning, you know.
Yeah, Yeah, I think I'm the same series. I think it's
just because they own them now, it's easier just to be like, well
it's ours now, where before it's like a god, do we really want
people? Like it's almost like they didn't want people going to Netflix for sure.
They want more like we got a Disney Plus coming. We want to
be those shows. And at least that tells me for the most part,
because we'll see what happens. But like I always make the joke where Venom
came the MCU in his postcred scene in the next movie, they kicked him
out right. This is like even with the worst stuff of Netflix Marvel,
which I don't think there's anything. I think maybe I did fail Jessica Jones
maybe one of those seasons, but like it's nothing bad enough. I guess
for Figgi and team and be like, we can't have that like a part
of that. And even then the connections might just be just primarily for Kingpin
Daredevil, right, Like, I still don't think we're gonna see Iron Fish.
I do think we're gonna see Jessica Henwick though. I think she's gonna
come back. Now, why that one so specifically just because everyone loves it
Bigger Star now yeah two? Yeah that too, like knives down, she
has that other road trip when we come out. But I just think everyone
with Iron Fists, even the people that hated that show, is like,
but I really like calling Wing So I just feel like she's like a natural
get her. So yeah, I feel like and that thing. I feel
like they'll just be like, oh, yeah, we heard about you fighting
the hand. Yeah it's connect to the show, but that could be anything
that doesn't if you give no context of oh, well this person had died,
you brought this person back. I'm not gonna say. Because kirkle and
and Tearr hopefully gonna be reviewing it. Daredevil's Season three is going into production
or Daredevil Born Again is going into production soon, so they're they're working on
that. But so no, I like that at least do you all the
characters back? I will be curious though, when we get to our first
Luke Cage Iron, like, you know, does this mean because so far
we've gotten it sounds like Christen Ridgards coming back. We've gone and off,
we've gotten Cox, we've gone on birth and all. So that's what it's
like, is everyone coming back. I'm curious gonna be what's the first if
there's gonna be a recast, you know, if it's gonna be like yeah,
we don't really or if they just avoid those characters right, like yeah,
we don't need Iron Fits, we got Colleen, we got sung She.
We'll just leave Danny rand alone for a bit, you know, right,
Yeah, I guess like that's how you want to look at it,
because it seems like, uh, I can't remember name Elektra from the old
movies. It seems like she's guaranteed to be in Deadpool at this point,
so it's like, in some world, I guess you could consider that a
recast if there's like this new Electra even though it's an old Electra. So,
but I don't know if she'd be sticking around or just there for a
fun came Well, I think she's going to be specifically the Jennifer gar or
the Fox Universe Electra, right right, which I guess that's not six one
six, but I mean into six one six, like who knows. We
still don't really know what dead people? Oh yeah, yeah, how that's
gonna work? Right? Hearn Cox together? Sure? Or why not?
Let's let's see what happens. You know, maybe they get married just like
her and Ben. You know about a couple of kids. Why not?
Never too late? It's never too late? Yeah, and superd Mike.
They still haven't reference to ABC shows yet. So Agent, Well, it's
weird because they say, like you said, Agent Carter, but on Disney
Plus, Agent car is in the timeline and Jarvis from that show was in
the MCUs. I think Agent Carter's technically can and I think Agent Shield is
can. Do you I feel like I should I never have? If you
watch it be part of my ranking, I guess, Yeah, it's weird,
right does that? Oh? Does that mean that the Netflix shows are
now part of the ranking after rank them, that's that's gonna be he I
don't because technically then the Spider Man movies are a part of them. I
say, my list is like Marvel Studios ranking. That's what I say.
That's like, go buy Kirk seen the shows. Any thoughts on this fast,
I'd say it's nice to know, like a, it's nice to know
like rules of engagement going forward and like where these shows kind of lie,
but like beyond that, like Dylan was bringing up, like there is just
so much convolution if that's the word going on right now at the MCU of
like trying to pin where exactly things are because pinking pin king exactly. So
like I guess now them saying that, it's like Okay, we can at
least not necessarily expect but not be too surprised if something's from the Netflix Daredevil
or any of the Netflix shows do pop up. And is this getting more
excited for your your watch of it, because now you're like, okay,
at least I can't wait for our retro. Is that a retro even if
Taylor and I haven't seen it, Yeah, it's a retro. It's gonna
be five years old and you guys haven't seen it, right, so same
thing. It's like like I don't know if Dyl's gonna be on, but
I think for Joker will probably do retro because you Kirkland here, we're not
on the review, so I'm like, well maybe and I'll talk about Joker
again. So it's five years old. You know, that's our rule,
so we don't retro anything more than five years last. It's like, hey,
you know, why not so because that review is just me, Dylan
Breggs. Everyone else's gone. They're like, right, And then we did
the review on Greg's show as well. We did, right, I forgot
that was like our first appears on Greg show? Yeah, well yeah,
Who's midnight hit? I was like, man, this is the year Taylor
and I are finally doing the the Daredevil retual bullshit. They're gonna push it
to next year. They're not gonna do it until we get actually at least
day Daredevil, and they're gonna just sink in the it and those when you
should start sooner because it is like those are some long gonna be like it's
gonna be like you and Dylan do it like like you have a start date
on like Sunday started Friday night. Oh yeah, put that harsh timeline on
yourself, Taylor less more excited. H I feel overwhelmed, to be honest.
I mean, there's just because the retro. I don't know you're gonna
do it all. Now. You've already seen Iron Fist, right, so
you're you I've seen I've seen all Iron Fists. I've seen season one of
Jessica Jones, so I got my foot in the door. I would love,
at some point yet just to go and polish off all of those other
shows. But Daredel is the main one. You didn't watch Defenders, No,
I didn't. Yeah, I feel like that would have been the one.
You feel like I could get into it because I didn't watch the other
shows prior, so, like I didn't like Luke Cage and again Daredevil,
I didn't have a lot of that baseline going in. You're not Frank Castle
guy too, That's like another one you could just start like, Oh,
I like Punishers. He does have his own show, doesn't he two seasons?
Yeah, they did a lot over there. They did like eight seasons
of Marble stuff, so it's good too. Yeah, so there there's that
whole small little universe, that street level universe that I definitely want to engage
in and dive into. So I'll just have to pick my time for when
I do that. But my priority is definitely Daredevil anniversing myself and and and
that I feel like hawkeyed Hawk, I definitely brought me into the fold.
It brought me into this like the Kingpin setting. It brought me, okay,
the street level crime. And trust me you that's not the key,
like the key like you expect that he's not wearing the big hat and Uncle
Jack. He's in Dared Devil. Yeah. I I do think though,
the fact that this has been canonized, like I'm seeing it, I ask
now, I think that's that's cool. I always took it at at as
that fact back when they released the shows. I just assume, like the
candidate they did. So yeah, I think that's uh, that's good stuff.
All right, let's tay go first, ad break and then we'll get
into some more predictions, so we'll be right back. And we are back.
So who else do we expect to be in the show. Do you
guys think there's gonna be any more? We know Daredevil's in there. We
know Fisk in there. Do you think there's gonna be any other MCU characters
appearing debuting or you think that's gonna be kind of it? I feel like
this is one that personally, for myself, I don't think I've heard a
single rumor of a character outside of Daredevil and Kingpin. Yeah, which they've
shown us obviously, so we know that's like a lot yeah, which yeah,
yeah. So it's one of those things where it's like, man,
I'm sure that would have leaked if someone is on set here there. I'm
gonna go with Punisher. That's my prediction. Oh fuck, yeah, this
is the time R rated. Yeah. I feel like there's less bag and
you just throw him in there and he's doing something. He's talking, talking
to Red or not. It could just be his own I mean, I
was looking at IMDb and it looks like Daredevil's in all of the episodes as
well as Kingpin. So I'm guessing they're being is that I think Fisk might
be. That's all I have a prediction. I don't think I doubt no
anyone can update that. You you could get a pro count and go on
to mess with me. Today prediction points. So the only person that I
really I think Frankcastle is a good one, even if there's like I think
there could be a lot of allusions to characters, like saying symbols always hear
this scuttle but you know that type of stuff. The only character I think
is possible. And then I really want because I'm fine, it is only
five episodes, so it's gonna be not as long as something said. I
guess we usually dealing with six, but it's a little less. I'm hoping
for Turk Dylan. That's who I'm really hoping for if they want to do
And you guys will understand when you watch the Daredil Netflix and all those shows.
He's long of the marvel. Yes, he is this goon that would
just always pop up in every show. I think Punisher was the only one
he didn't pop up in, but everyone he was always this guy just getting
into some bit. Yeah yeah, but he's not like a terrible criminal like
you're He's like friendly enough. So I'm really hoping for Turk because I think
that would be a great another if peelers saying, oh there's some connections to
Netflix stuff right there, you see Turk, like, oh man, there
we go, and I just would love I want that joke again. I
want Turk to be around all the time, especially if Daredevil stays eighteen episodes.
You gotta make Kurk not Kirk, not from uh from fucking Dexter.
Turk has to make his way in there. That's That's what I'm happening hoping
for. So nice, There you go. You guys have any character,
Like first one that came to mind would have been something like Hawkeye related,
just because that is where he was. But I don't know what Jeremy Renner
like, not him, Yeah, exactly, like that would have been the
pick, especially just like the the tie to her him like well, obviously
when we have that episode Kate Bishop like, yeah, I guess that would
be like the follow ups yeaheah, just because she's a lot more capable to
be uh, I don't know, be doing a lot more action stuff right
now and track do they make an appearance, right the guys trust a Brow
or whatever they could that could be her mom's in jail, right, so
probably won't. Yeah, probably not her. You could though, I could
see like some king Pin scene where he's on the phone with her. I
don't know what's her name, because I always remember if it's Eileen or something
I just watched that always remembers Eleanor. I never understood I was close.
He says it, Yeah, I'll go with Kate Bishop. Then I don't
know. I just some Hawkeye character that she'd be fun Marvel's echo back to
back appearance for her and just tailing back in the MCU in a big way,
like my, we want you to be in the Young Avengers. She's
like, I'm a thirty five year old woman. I'm not going to join
the Young Avengers. You know, I'll get out of here. I'm an
Avenger. Get Eleanor in there too, Yeah, we need you. The
girl in the chair, Yeah, girl in the chair that Uh what if
a Young Avengers just had t Yeah classic crew Spidy this Marvel Kate Bishop in
Turk, Yeah he got bit by a radioact of jelly Bean or something.
Delight, What about you too? Anybody expecting a part of me thought,
well, what if she Hulk were to just kind of like sneak on anything.
I don't think mature rated show just creeping around the corner. Uh,
you know, are like, yeah, mature rated, but you got you
got one lawyer and sure enough with this one lawyer, another lawyer might fallow
suit saw that in her show, so it could be in this show too.
Yeah, you never know. It's a Daredevil for sure, but maybe
not Nicho. Yeah, I like that was gonna be my fault. How
many episodes do we think Matt Murdoch slash Dared Devil will appear in? What
if he's on I D B? How many is it total right now?
Is it five? Oh? My gosh? Yeah, it's not long and
they're not a full hour so wow. Okay, I'm gonna go to I
think he's gonna be in the first and the last. I'm gonna say middle
last, but too as well, Middle Last, weird spread the middle Last.
I'll do three episodes, three episodes which you're spread? Which episodes first,
middle, and episode and four don't watch them watch him good Chaos.
I'll go for I'll go for three episodes as well, but I'm gonna go
with three, four, five. I think he's comes in there for the
for the trilogy finale, and do we think there's she dies whatever? Yeah,
episodes? Do we think it's all Daredevil all Matt well, we know
it's there's a daredel, But do we think we see Matt Murdoch at any
point? I feel like we have to write got it? Yeah? Yeah,
good in those glasses a little bit he does. Yeah, dare you
see Matt Murdoch? I think we do. I'm just trying to picture,
like the context of what we would see him in lawyers leaving room. Yeah,
I don't. I don't picture this to be a lawyer drama at all.
I don't know if he'll se him in the courtroom. I think he's
strike a romance with Echo maybe, Wow, what if that was his thing?
He just romances all these characters. It is in the comic books.
He is a huge Karen Page black widow. There's a bunch of other people
that like he's like a big womanizer in the comics. He has a long
history of Alstuley Elektra just getting it on with ladies. So I can't keep
them though, No, he can't, he can't. He's too he's too
fu Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna ask this, but there's no one
really to like. I don't think there's that much interesting to ask. So
I was gonna say a combo of like where do we end off Slash who
dies? Because I feel like the only people we care about who dies would
be like Echo and Kingpin, and I think we don't know what we know
that they're all in Daredevil anyway, Yeah, right, like there's no one
Unfortunately, it's kind of like a series that way, where it's like,
oh, well, they're all going forward, that's right. I mean,
like where does this kind of end? Like is Echo a full on known
hero? Is she on the run? Is she maybe in prison? I
don't know, like and where's what's Kingpin doing? But like what like what
do you guys in envision from kind of the ending point of this, like
where our characters lead to I think they'll be leading or where she will be
leading is somewhere in a team setting. I don't know if it's gonna be
like a seven event, like you know, she's got her uniform, like
she's putting it on and it's all like super hype moment leading into Echo will
appear in whatever it might be. I I just feel like it'll be a
big heavy hint as to some sort of collaboration and maybe that'll just be like
you know, if I if I do get my Kate Bishop appearance. Maybe
she's doing like a similar thing that was going on and oh my gosh,
what even was that scene when we had that Oh my gosh, I'm blanking
right now on the end credit scene with Kate Bushop who thank you? Yes,
there you go, like something similar to that. But I don't know.
I think it'll be a team just like to give us some sort of
heads up of where she's gonna be next. I think this is gonna be
a very isolated show. And so obviously we know, yeah, those other
well, all those three main characters are gonna end up being in Daredevil in
some way, shape or form. But I honestly, I don't think this
show is gonna have a huge impact on the greater world of the MCU,
maybe just like further world building on what's going on in New York, because
even then, like in Hawkeye, I feel like that stuff was very much
just alluded to, Like king Pinino was actually like barely in that show.
Yeah, and we kind of have a very small understanding of what his role
is. And now obviously if we're bringing in all these Marvel Netflix shows,
and that bolsters the lower quite a bit, but they want to establish that
stuff in the MCU, So I think I think that'll be more what it
is is really just more of a world building piece and then just a fun,
R rated intense adventure with I'm sure some good emotional stuff and getting more
into the character of Echo, even though we already have a pretty good understandive
of who she is, I would say, m M, I guess.
I guess also too, like she had that one pal in Hawkeye and he
died, right that made the guy who was like a translator, yeah,
clown. Yeah, So I'm trying, Like I guess, we don't really
know of any other friends of her, so maybe that will be a big
thing, is setting up a couple like her, her group, her surrounding.
I don't know if it's in the way of like a big superhero team
up in the way you mentioned Kirkland, but obviously that'll be a part of
the show, right, She's got to have some some friends that she talks
to. I hope not. Actually really it's a solo because I just feel
like we still don't know so much about her, you know, Like that
was always my complain about Echo, of like I'm not opposed to being a
spin off, but just like no one gets they didn't give anyone a chance
to fall in love with her and Hawkeye because I just feel like they made
her kind of a goon at times. And then when she made the turn,
I don't know, she shot Kingpin in the head and then went off,
you know, So I just that that's what I want, I wanted.
I feel like it ends with her kind of on the run, where
maybe there's an obstacle that's put in her way that she does. I think
she succeeds. It's the classic wins the battle, not the war. Kingpin's
still gonna be at large. I think, like the rooms have been there
gonna do. He's gonna win may Or somehow, and they're gonna do Devil's
reigns. I feel like they're gonna set up and I am really hoping,
I know, me and Dylan talked about weeks ago, like these rumors of
Spider Man featuring all these street heroes, Like I want that to be true.
So I feel like it'll be like a she's in the wind just trying
to take Kingpin down. But I hope there's like a journey that she's gone
on that I feel connect That's all I want is I just want to feel
connected to Echo, so when this ends, I can be excited for But
I'm with Dylan where I think this is gonna be very much almost similar to
like what Moonnight was, where technically, like you could take Moon and I
out, it doesn't really affect the mc at all right now, right It's
like I still problems with like a giant crocodile or whatever being in fighting in
Egypt or something, but take like just ignore it. No one knows,
no end credit didn't tie to anybody like Echo has more ties right now to
the MCU than Moonnight. So I think it's just gonna be a solo type
of adventure. I'm sure she has some friends, but I still want to
be like Karen and Foggy where they take up half the screen time. That's
what I don't want, you know. I don't need, like, you
know, character a friend that she's known since high school and she's like an
investigator. I don't want that. And yeah, I just feel like that's
a good way to learn about her because what I guess it could be like
Kingpin doing some deep analysis on who she is. But I don't. Yeah,
I don't know if I for I guess her and Daredevil like those two
could really bond over I guess the challenges that they have to overcome with just
their disabilities, I suppose, So I guess that could be a good way
to dig more into this than those characters. Can you imagine if the first
episode is just Kingpin like talking to his goon and he's just like describing Echo
and like giving the tire backstory, you don't even like really see her except
for like three flashbacks goes to the next episode. Oh it could but you
could literally have Kingpin Dumble Echo, and then the whole season is like how
they got to that point, right, you know, because like we also
don't know the Echo Daredevil's stuff. If that's present day, that could be.
That's one of my theories of that fight is like because there's clips of
that that I could be like a time where she was working with Fisk and
she bumped into Daredevil, So like like I I wonder how much they will
talk and conversate, but they should because I got similar experiences even just dealing
with Fisk, right is like an enemy, so big enemy, big friend,
Taylor. Any thoughts where we're going, I mean, the coming off
of Hawkeye and seeing Echo's character there, it's it's hard for me to really
kind of guess what's gonna happen for her, because I wish I watched Hawke
Actually it's a good holiday show. So I just to kind of like refamiliarize
myself with her and what her kind of emo was at the end of that
series and what she was going to be kind of going off to do some
soul searching and whatnot. I just find it. It's to me, it's
weird. I don't know fisks abilities, I don't know his astray all that
well. So just to take a gunshot to the head of course, d
mcu. So no one ever, no one, no one has ever really
gone. I guess people could just keep coming back. So he's got no
abilities. He's just he's supposed to be regular. His ability is that he's
that big and he's like ninety five percent muscle. Yeah, what was the
joke? A bullet it was? I think in that. Yeah, well
he survived the gun shot and he's back. So yeah, just I like
what you said there, Trevis, because it possibly is like some flashback stuff.
Maybe like that would be interesting to see Echo and dar Devil fighting in
the past, but again, i'd love to see like current stuff at play.
But I understand stuff like that does serve to add a lot more depth
to our characters and their relationships and dynamics with each other, So I see
the value in that. But yeah, I really don't know where they're going
to go with this show, and with five episodes, I'm curious to see
where this does lead to and what their mo is for these character after the
fact, if they're gonna be continuing onto that street level stuff, and what
are their characters gonna come into the fold when they start expanding on the street
level stuff. Have they given up on like the the theater, going experience,
the move, big large movies like Okay, we're just doing Disney Plus,
I think it's the reverse, No more Avengers. I think they're gonna
start giving up on the shows, or at least get less of them.
I think I think they'll really start scaling back. So end credit do you
guys, what do you have for end credit in mind? Hmm? Kate
Bishop talking you know, Recruit and Echo? No, I could No,
it's reverse again, Kate Bishop's going home and Echoes sitting there, like,
I want to talk to you about Team the Defenders, Like, wouldn't that
be They've how come they? They should do that with Spierman. You know,
we talked about Young Avengers. They should have one character where each team
is like trying to court them to be I guess I could also be Kamala
too, because she's a mute. Now I could see in the future we
get Young Avengers, Avengers and X Men all trying to get Kamal. But
they should do that with some character of they're kind of caught in the middle
of all these different teams, and I think that would be a fun storyline.
But yeah, how do you like? I don't know. That just
feels like you have to be split across all these projects too. It might
be hard to get that on screen. I guess yeah. I think you
could only do like a one face thing but kind of the same way as
well as a special. That's what they should do, a special where the
different teams are trying to recruit this one case. Maybe yeah, sit down.
I was thinking more like in you know, in Civil War, like
okay, Ironman, three, Pepper and Tony they're getting married Civil War,
they're broken up Spider Men Homecoming. They're back together and they announce their getting
married press conference and then in Findy War like she's pregnant. So that's why
I kind of you could do it that way where you just got to plan
three to four films in a row and make sure camals and all of them.
And it's just like a little bit I'm not saying like the main plot
line, but they're really strong at linking three to four projects together in this
current they were they were, you know, I hope I'm rooted for again.
Yeah, I'm hoping for coming back. They had that writers strike,
you know. It's my post credit is uh, definitely gonna be a Kingpin
related thing where you know they beat him here, but then you didn't.
He's in a dimly lit room. He and he's the mayor of New York.
Yeah, I'm with you, Dylan. Where either it's Kingpin and it's
a mayor teas or that's the end of the show. My bold thing is
no end credit, because they've done it a few times now. We didn't
get that actually, just the hammer hitting. Yeah, we didn't give an
any fist. So, I mean he's working out, he's dropping the weights
on the ground. That's all you hear. We didn't get an endgame.
We didn't get one in Secret Invasion. There was I think another one where
I think we got one, but it was kind of like a oh even
like Miss like the Marvels, we did get one, but even one they
like moved to the end of the movie. So I'm gonna say, because
it's Marvel Spotlight, remember their first one, They're gonna really emphasize, Hey,
you don't need to worry about what's coming next. This is something you
can enjoy by itself. So like that, that's what I'm saying. No
end credits a piggyback. Let's say on credit either I can't do that.
Let's you kirk them what already gave comes back. Anyone have any predictions you
want to throw it before Taylor chat GPTs it up. I think this is
gonna be the second lowest show, slightly above Yeah, were you gonna ask
the viewership question, Oh, this is the easy lowest for me, So
even lower than Miss Marvel. I haven't slightly higher than It's tough because they're
gonna do this ship and I We're never gonna know because they did this with
Percy Jackson where they released the numbers, but it was Disney Plus and Hulu
combined, and it was like it's higher than Mandalorian, higher than Loki,
but like, no, they we never found what just the pure Disney Plus
number was because Mandalorian and Loki also did not have Hulu, so it's like
that's kind of skewed. But even without Hulu, I could see this being
the biggest Hulu relatives to Disney Plus. I don't know, because we don't
have here. I think it's like sizeable, but I don't know. But
I'll be gonna say if we ever get just the Disney Plus numbers, which
they're getting, they're being more like even Loki. We I don't even think
we got the premiere numbers. We just get the Disney umbers, there being
more stingent on that. I think the numbers we get are just us anyway.
Usually. Yeah, So if we do get numbers, I think it
would be the lowest. I don't I just don't think anyone knows who Echo
is. I'll go in between Miss Marvel and Secret Invasion, which are the
lowest, the two lowest shows, so I'll say it's the second lowest and
I don't. I don't have the numbers for Loki to in front of me,
but I assume that I assume that did better than Secret Invasion at the
Red it did? I think it did? Oh? Okay, maybe this
eventually did come up. Is that a Hulu one too? Though? Numbers?
I think it did less than Loki season two though, or Local season
one obviously. Well, yeah, that's hard to beat at this point,
it looks like, which is surprising me. Still, I really thought,
you know, these numbers would climb. That's just how it goes. But
yeah, because their first day one for Loki was that was under a million
as well, but that was for day one. That's the problem too,
because sometimes they give us day one. Sometimes they stay first three days.
So Disney touted as the second most watched thing of the year behind Mandala Oarian.
So who knows all relative stats? Yeah, yeah, it's hard to
know, all right, Taylor hit us? Okay? So title Echoes of
Destiny Okay, good everybody. If you want to find out where the start,
go, listen to Bloopers episode very funny. I caught a U what
is it? What's something? A pattern? Yeah? For Spider Verse flash
Loki and something else. It was all blah blah blah, unleash. It
was Spider Verse unleash, the Flash Multiverse unleash. So AI like to use
the word a leash a lot. So this is this is what again?
Sorry? Echo was this is Echoes of Destiny. So this is new destiny
has got to be up there for the GPT. Yeah generation, Yeah,
I would think so. Okay. So in the vast expanse of the multiverse,
Maya Lopez, the Indomitable Echo unveils a sinister plot by a clandestine organization
to apheave reality itself, teaming up with Loki. Got a mischief already already
after season two. He's back. They hid it from us in the marketing.
Yeah, he sure didn't send that tree long now he's that he got
bored. Multiverse is just a disaster now and Saraphina storm now is that?
Who is Saphena storm? Not my storm? Not my storm? A shadowy
operative shrouded in mystery. Uh. Echo embarks on an odyssey fraught with peril.
The narrative takes a tragic turn when Clint Barton, the revered Avenger Hawkeye,
falls prey to insidious betrayal orchestrated by Convergence, a multiversal puppet master.
Grieving and thirsting for justice, Echo, why are they going to Hawkeye?
He's just a home family. Why does this multiverse threat coming to Clint Barden?
Poor guy? Fuck? Uh? Grieving and thirsting for justice, Echo,
Loki and Seraphina set out to expose convergences machinations across dimensions, guided by
the cosmic entity known as the Living Tribunal. Echo learns of her destiny Living
Tribunal, Big Marvel Snaphard, Living Tribunal. Uh, it's all good.
Echo learns of her destiny intricately woven into the fabric of the multiverse. Convergence
revels in the chaos his ambitions, transcending the very boundaries of reality. As
the traverse the Multiverse, they encounter allies from Alted dimensions, including Captain Carter,
an alternate rally, Captain America, and Spider Man twenty ninety nine futuristic
Webslinger. Wow, we're getting We're getting Miguel's debut here. That's the Echo.
We are wondering when Spiderman's next MCU appearance. I got one more and
Echo, look at that This show's gonna be definitely bigger than Secret Invasion.
Together, they confront Convergence and his colossal army and an epic battle that defies
the laws of space and time. Zero percent accurate. No, just the
first episode is gonna be what we saw about Fisk and then the conversion.
Yeah, and the sunning twist. Hawkeye returns nice, not alone, but
with an army of Mutants and the notorious Doctor Doom at his side. There's
no way it is the lowest show on Disney. Plus long Guy's New Avengers
is the Mutants and the notorious Doctor Doom. Yes, surviving his seemingly final
moments, hawkeye strategic brilliance and leadership inspire the Multiversal Allies, turning the tide
to the conflict. He's really trying to prove that he's not the weakest of
Venger. He thinks his death to appear as he's the most brilliant. Listen,
Tony, I got the X Men together, I got Doctor Doom.
Who's Doctor Doom? Oh? Yeah, you didn't meet him, but I
don't like that name. Romantic tensions escalate between Echo and Loki. Was going
to be Clint. I'm so worried right, I don't really see it,
but cool no chemistry, while the mysterious Saraphina's role becomes even more enigmatic the
battle. As the battle crescendos, Echo faces a moral quandary, challenged by
the Living Tribunal's revelations about justice, love and destiny. The climatic showdown reshapes
not only Echoes world, but sends ripples across the multiverse. A secret Avenger,
long thought lost, emerges from the shadows, leading an army of mutants
and the imposing Doctor Doom. Their combined might adds an overwhelming force to the
beleaguered heroes. Convergences defeat marks a triumph for the surviving heroes, scarred but
resolute, Echo, Loki, Serafina, and the Secret Avenger. I guess
they're implying. Hawkeye stand united, promising unresolved tensions, lingering mysteries, and
the ending and the enduring impact of the multiversal clash and the expansive marble somatic
universe. Nice double is the multiverse A So there you go. There is
a post credit scene for you. You find folks out there amidst the smoldering
ruins of the multiversal battlefield. The camera pans to a enigmatic figure observing the
aftermath. Cloaked in shadows. The silhouette steps forward, revealing the unmistakable cowl
of Doctor Doom. His cold, calculating eyes survey the chaos. Let's do
see, I can do it, voice survey and the pieces are in place.
The multi verse has showing its vulnerabilities. It's time to seize control.
Like we've know, we know that you have a sizeable sound board, and
you're like, you know what better than the soundbird? Right now, I
got some hands. Let's go on a cappella right here? He doctor,
Yeah, go ahead. As Doctor Doom disappears in the shadows, the scene
transitions to a clandestine meeting in a dim room. Everything was clandestine and enigmatic
in this uh, in this spirit. I like that dude was in a
shadowy era already. But then now we're going to a dimly lit room at
a sleek, high tech table. Read Richard's of the Fantastic four gambit and
echo gambit. I don't know why that's you don't uh? And I read
Richard says the multiverse is a fragile web, but we've just seen an unravel
We need to be prepared for whatever comes next. Gam I don't know what
you're talking about. More on me, yeah, Gambit smirking says, I
wanted to act. I don't know if I can do it good. He
just hits on echo right here were they're talking about the multiverse, slim par
He's like, oh on me, ah, it's a pleasure to dance the
edge of catastrophe. He made French. There no no, no echo nodding.
We've seen the sas. We can't afford to be caught off guard.
The trio continues to discuss the implications of the multiversal clash when Spider Man twenty
ninety nine Miguel O'Hara swings into view. Spider Man says, looks like I'm
not the only one who decided to stick around after the party. Read Richard's
you weren't invited, dude, read Richards smiling. The multiverse may be in
flex, but together we can be its architects. So what I'm getting think
from this is so they teamed up with Doom to say the multiverse, but
then Doom wants to take over said multiverse, and they gotta go against Dooms,
so they work with him for a bit yeah, they should have doctor
Doom. That's what Tony says. The Hawky he kept saying his name Hawkeye
is not a part of the secret meeting. No, remember how we mean
down to Hawkeye died. He has explained to Tony what happened, right,
and he's like, well his name was Doom, Like why the fuck did
you trust her? You know? But very I can't wait for the show
now now, I'm really hyped. That's gonna be a good one. I
can't wait for the first appearance of Living Tribunal and how he looks Gambit doctor
due. Usually these generate a couple of things that's like, yeah, that
makes sense, that's logical. This even from the first sentence was just complete,
Like what what? I just want to know before your next ad break?
What was the question you asked? Because, like Dale said, like
I feel like Echo, like yeah, she gets the Phoenix force at times,
but like that, why do they jump from big multiverse saga? You
know, like that's what's odd? What was the question? The setup question
you asked? It? Let me see write me, uh write Me,
a canonized Marvel Sinomac Universe movie focusing on the Marvel Comics character Echo include having
dynamics and relationships with other Marvel characters explored, including new and unfamiliar Marvel Cinmak
universe characters. Do you really have to type that much to get it to
generate this kind of thing? Yeah, I wrote break the barrier and don't
write a safe story. Oh my god, that's a special ingredient writing poetry
to this to generate something. Friends with this guy, aren't you hope?
You said after the strike, bake, break the barrier, write a good
story, and you better put Gambit in the books. Let's take ca thanks
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