WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:09.800 Hold you is, folks, It show time. People pay good money to 2 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:13.039 see this movie. When they go out to a theater. They want cold 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:17.679 sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters. In the projection booth. Everyone 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:01:12.799 pretend podcasting isn't boring of Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. 5 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:17.719 Mike White joined me once again. Is mister Rob Saint Mary. It's all 6 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:22.519 section violins front and center. Also back in the booth is mister Robert Bellissimo. 7 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:27.439 Hello everyone, bonjou and olah for the French and Spanish fans. We 8 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:34.120 conclude French Month with Louis Bunol's nineteen thirty film Las Or. Released in the 9 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.959 wake of the Sound Revolution, the film straddles the line between silence and sound, 10 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.680 presenting a series of stories that represent the five prismatic segments of a scorpion's 11 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.760 tale. We will be spoiling each of these as we go along, So 12 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.319 if you haven't seen las Or, turn off the podcast and come back after 13 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.480 you have, we will still be here. So, Rob, when did 14 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.280 you first see the movie? In what did you think? Sir? My 15 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.719 entry into Bunol was probably discreet, charm and, as I said on the 16 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:05.359 discreet charm episode and I've talked about but well before. When I first saw 17 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.639 his I didn't understand it. It was in my late deads. It didn't 18 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.680 connect with me at all. When I went back a few years later and 19 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.159 we rewatched it and then became obviously one of my favorite films of all time, 20 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:20.800 if not the number one. It then led me down the path to 21 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.960 try and watch everything that I could get my hands on. Working at Thomas 22 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:30.159 Video was good because I could gets at the time, which was mostly what 23 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:35.599 you had to get. So I think I may have seen this originally on 24 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:42.120 a VHS tape. It wasn't a very good dub, subtitles, garbage trags, 25 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:46.599 it parts, and I don't think that I really appreciated it the first 26 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:50.800 time I saw it because I was expecting something more in line with the later 27 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.759 work. Not that his stuff is narratively heavy at times, but at least 28 00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:00.039 had something that felt more together. Shan and delous. These images that stick 29 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:04.360 in your head, there's some in here that's stick in your head for different 30 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.439 reasons. Like I said, I just thought it was okay. It was 31 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.080 only in later years that I went back and looked at it and said Jenna 32 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:15.919 Andaloo gives you sort of visual hence later work. This gives you a lot 33 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:22.919 of thematic. This is a proto version. This is Stooges to punk rock 34 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:24.319 or something. It's yeah, I go listen to that stuff and then you 35 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:29.360 can understand where it comes from. So it's only grown in years, but 36 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:34.520 it's not one that I watch on the regulars. One i'd probably see maybe 37 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:38.840 once every five years or more. And Robert, how about yourself. I'm 38 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:44.919 new with boon Well. Part of the appeal for doing this episode on your 39 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.759 show, Mike was just because he's a director I've been meaning to get to, 40 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.400 and I just I've seen Baldejore and Tristan, I had seen The Milky 41 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.960 Way, but he's just someone I hadn't got into yet. And so you 42 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.120 don't have to know much about boon Well to know what he was interested in. 43 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:05.800 His films, which are making foot of the bourgeois sexual fetishes and tearing 44 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:13.599 the religious Catolic Church apart, and so you certainly see that in this film. 45 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.839 But I knew it was gonna be toff watch. I just had an 46 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:18.600 instinct, so I thought, I'm gonna have to watch us a few times. 47 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:24.680 So what you do with any really any great artists, you go back 48 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.839 time and time again. But when I first saw it, just maybe a 49 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:34.399 month ago or so, my initial feeling was that is this is fucking crazy, 50 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:39.600 but in a good way. And I just immediately took to it. 51 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:45.319 I just let it hit me, and I could clearly see those themes we 52 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.279 mentioned, it mentioned, and what he was getting at. And when I 53 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:53.839 watched it again about a week ago, I was able to then appreciate it 54 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:59.199 much more. And it's a film that I feel invites you to participate in 55 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:05.000 having your own takes, in opinions and possibilities, and those things may change 56 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.759 with each of you doing. But it's a challenging watch but at the same 57 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:18.680 time is very funny. And see just his audacity and boldness and just not 58 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:26.920 caring what anyone thinks or worried about anyone criticizing him. That's ultimately from what 59 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.160 I read him. And Daddy wanted that wants to shock people, wants to 60 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.920 wake people up, wants they showed up at the movie theaters with rocks in 61 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.920 their pockets just because they thought I was for their short film. There might 62 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.800 be some protests, so let's make sure we're armed. But I don't know, 63 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.680 I just took to it. I just really loved it. I just 64 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.120 really felt I could feel what he was getting to. And I know some 65 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:56.920 people hate things that don't make sense on a narrative level, but if you're 66 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.439 trying to make sense out of this and some kind of traditional story, you're 67 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:04.079 gonna be lost. You're gonna hate it. You can't watch it that way. 68 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.800 But I don't know, I just loved it. So I'm looking forward 69 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.759 to just really diving in with the two of you to see really what we 70 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.920 think of what's going on here. Now. I can't remember if I said 71 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.199 this during our discrete Charm episode or not, but the first Bunwal film that 72 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:26.720 I watched was Lu and shen Andalu, and I watched it this interesting colorized 73 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.439 version that they had for MTV. It would show it as like a break 74 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.279 which was weird because the movies twenty some minutes long. And then I saw 75 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:39.759 the original and I was like, this is pretty much the movie that I 76 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.920 saw. But my first exposure to him was seeing this and not really knowing 77 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.639 what I was looking at, and was starting off with the cloud across the 78 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:53.160 moon and the eyeball getting slice that was all right there on MTV for me 79 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:58.560 to enjoy throughout the years. And occasionally there'd be a shot where was somebody 80 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.519 looking at the camera and then background would blow out in this animation thing. 81 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.519 So it was actually very well done in the way that they did this, 82 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:10.000 and then the constant music going through the entire thing. So that was my 83 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:15.560 first exposure to moonwal even not really connecting that this was a director of many 84 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.439 things and that's something I needed to look out for. Probably ninety one, 85 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:26.120 I was in David's books up in ann Arbor and I found a look at 86 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:30.600 the script of Lodge Door and I remember reading on the back how it talked 87 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.560 about this movie caused riots, and I was just like, how could a 88 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:38.720 movie cause riots? I just didn't understand. That was my first idea, 89 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.800 my first concept that a movie could have that much power that it would cause 90 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.920 riots. I still didn't watch the movie. It took until twenty nineteen when 91 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:53.480 I went to the Nitrate Film Festival out in Rochester where they actually showed at 92 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:58.600 night rate print of Lodge Door, and they didn't have it was the original 93 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.600 French so they didn't have subtimes its burned onto it. And they didn't do 94 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.639 over titles or anything. Was actually one of the organizers of the festival, 95 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.639 our friend Jared Case, who's been on the show several times, him with 96 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:15.560 a microphone, reading the translation as we were going through, so like the 97 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.319 title cards, the dialogue, any of that. He's up there reading this 98 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:26.519 as the movie's going along. Very unique experience for me and seeing this beautiful 99 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.839 print from I can't remember if it was from the actual cinema attack or where 100 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.879 it was from, but it was gorgeous the sea, and as soon as 101 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.279 I saw it, I was just like, I have to do an episode 102 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.039 on this. So that it's been been the backlog for a while as far 103 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.399 as okay, yeah, we're going to get to this. And then when 104 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.519 I was like putting together this year and there are all these French films and 105 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:48.440 like, okay, cool, fine, they going to do last or this 106 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:54.279 will be great, and yeah, revisiting this it's of course it doesn't make 107 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.399 a whole lot of sense, but that's what I love about it. And 108 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:00.919 then like you were saying, where this is that almost like a Rosetta stone 109 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.879 as far as translating these obsessions and things from the early days, all the 110 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.080 way up until his later films. It's funny because last week we talked about 111 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.519 Rules of the Game and there's guest On modou in there as the game's keeper. 112 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.360 I forgot that he was also in Building a Paradise, which we talked 113 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.440 about two weeks ago. So he's shot through this entire month pretty much. 114 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:28.320 So him as the man back in this nineteen thirty film because there are no 115 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.919 real character names, so it's basically like your roles. He's terrific and he 116 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.120 makes me want to see more films with him in it because he's just wonderful, 117 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.759 especially how angry he gets through this whole thing, and especially when he 118 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:43.759 kicks that dog. It's probably one of my favorite things. That was the 119 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.279 thing I put in my notes. I go, yeah, I'm sure Peta 120 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.480 loves this film. Oh God, between the dog and the scorpions and the 121 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:56.039 rat and how the blind man. It don't care if humans get hurt, 122 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:00.799 it's just the animals. He had such a great look, looks like a 123 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:05.080 football player or like an athlete or a hockey player. You just don't see 124 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.320 those kinds of faces. And he's really compelling this and Rules of the Game. 125 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.679 I'm gonna have to seek out more of his films performances. Yeah, 126 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.039 I forgot. He's in Peppe the Moco, which I've been wanting to do 127 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.240 a rewatch of that. So yeah, I'm probably going to be having a 128 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.039 guest on the Dope Film Festival over here at some point. But he doesn't 129 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.919 even show up in the movie until we have two of these sequences where we've 130 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.200 got this Nature documentary about scorpions and talking about scorpions, and of course it's 131 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.960 one of those even though I was saying joking, lad, this movie doesn't 132 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.720 make sense, there are reasons for all of this. I feel like there 133 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:45.120 are reasons for every single thing that we see on screen, and so starting 134 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.559 it off with the scorpions, I'm just like, Okay, what do scorpions 135 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.240 represent? And that's scorpio? Are we talking about this? We're talking about 136 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.440 just what are we think about these scorpions and this Nature documentary all about scorpions, 137 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.960 and how do we see that playing through the to this film. Other 138 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:05.279 than the idea of the five segments of the tale with the venom sack, 139 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.399 we've got a very venomous ending to this film. The whole thing was scorpions. 140 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:15.960 To me, plays into when you learn about Budwell's biography. He was 141 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.039 a I may say word versus bugs, so anthropologists people who study bugs. 142 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.279 So he had an obsession books, Like I think if he had to become 143 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.279 a filmmaker, he probably would have became a scientist of study books, because 144 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.559 there's like a lot in his biography where he talks about collecting samples and collecting 145 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.720 bugs and so he so I think there's some of that. But I would 146 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:43.639 also say that kind of delicateness venom it gets damned in for humanity in some 147 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.240 way that it's like he's saying, look at this thing. It can be 148 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.000 very destructive. A lot of the things that run through the film is this 149 00:11:52.240 --> 00:12:00.840 question of appearances and how do we make appearances within society and what society expects 150 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:05.480 of us, and how far will society go to forces into these positions, 151 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.399 the most obvious being, the most over the top being the literal sex on 152 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.399 the beach. So we could talking about that a bit. Like I say, 153 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.480 the first time you see it, you're like, okay, the eat 154 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.320 your documentary, and then it's never brought up again, so you have to 155 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.879 think of what is it signifying We're no different than these scorpions who can be 156 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:31.759 destructive. Shows that he's swallowing up a rat. I love that he shows 157 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.159 one of them going that doesn't like this. They don't like the sun. 158 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.519 They like to be isolated, and they like to be alone. And then 159 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.120 one of them goes under a rock and the other one is trying to follow, 160 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.919 and you see it just obviously was getting pushed aggressively kicked back. I 161 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.080 didn't get a chance to read all of that BFI book that you shared, 162 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.039 Mike, but the writer mentioned I don't know how obvious it is, but 163 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.279 two of the scorpions look like they're having sex, and one of them just 164 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.720 rams through them, which, of course, as we see time time and 165 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:03.960 time again in this film, so he could be I think he's saying a 166 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:11.159 combination of this. We are basically we are animals, but we still have 167 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:16.399 this kind of behaviors, and people hate to think, oh, how can 168 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.279 you compare a human too behavior of an animal. But I think what he's 169 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:26.440 saying is, no, we do behave in this ferocious manner that scorpions do. 170 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.799 Or perhaps it's a warning in the sense that if you keep oppressing people, 171 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.440 they're going We're going to go back to the Neanderthal times and start to 172 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.000 it's just going to be total destruction. So I really saw it as a 173 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.320 simple metaphor what he was getting at there. The other aspect that I was 174 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.720 thinking of that you brought up there, Robert, is the Surrealists were about 175 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:56.440 trying to make friends with or accept that which was thin us and the passions 176 00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:01.679 that we have and as human animals. And so I can see that reading 177 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.320 as well, where it's fine by itself. It's only when the outside world 178 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.279 comes in and starts playing with it that it's kind to attack. So it's 179 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:16.039 if you allow the creature to live as it is, to be in its 180 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.120 natural state, it's fine. It's just don't hit it in that way. 181 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:24.720 And which brings me to I actually learned to read. So if anyone, 182 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.360 it's amazing almost three years of college will do for you. In the past 183 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:33.879 three years during COVID. This is an ongoing joke for those who haven't listened 184 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.759 my previous appearances on the show, Mike would always read the books. I 185 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.960 didn't ever have time to read the books, so notoriously slow reader. I 186 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.919 want to thank. Al Gore said to me many years ago this is a 187 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.960 book from the late seventies, Virginia Kicking Bottom, and I think that to 188 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.799 me when I read analysis here she said that basically A Shennanalou was a personal 189 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.600 vision of erotic obsession and anxiety will lodge door when on to indict social institutions 190 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:07.320 and beliefs that repress the individual spotanity. That's the difference between those two early 191 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.440 films and how one builds on the other. And I think this is maybe 192 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.080 to the point even in those early frames talking about those scorpions pressing the spotaneity. 193 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:22.720 Yeah, from what I've read, scorpions are symbols of protection, transformation, 194 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.799 independence, solitude, and intelligence, but they're also the symbol of death, 195 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.679 raybirth, a symbol of power, and also lost sex and fertility. 196 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:39.360 In the commentary, the commentator talks about how scorpions are more the symbol of 197 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.159 genitals and the anus, and I'm just like, Okay, that's got Dally 198 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.440 written all over him, which is wonderful. Dolly didn't really have that much 199 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:52.600 to do this one. According to what you read is sometimes people say yes, 200 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.519 he had a ton to do with this, and other times no, 201 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.879 he didn't. There's this whole falling out between Bunwell and Dolly at some point, 202 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.759 and I guess he didn't like Gala. Bunol didn't like Gala at all 203 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.679 and was just like, get this lady out of here. I want nothing 204 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.039 to do with you. Maybe this little jealous I don't know, but it's 205 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.720 not as in your face with some of the ally stuff. Even though when 206 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.679 we move on to the next segment, we've got all of these consider them 207 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:25.200 bandits. I suppose there's this whole crutch thing. There's least one that has 208 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:26.799 a crutch, and I'm just like, okay, because you see those like 209 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:33.480 crutches inside of Dolly's paintings a lot, like holding up different things. So 210 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.440 I was seeing that as being a Dolly touched to that. But yeah, 211 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.399 with these scorpions, yeah, I definitely agree. The whole idea of the 212 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:45.120 bitis interrupt us trying to push the other scorpion out of the way, very 213 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:52.200 pushy with this stuff, and embracing that animal nature and seeing the rest of 214 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.679 the people in this movie as scorpions and just to them of the behavior, 215 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:02.080 I would say, is what I'm getting from this early segment. And I 216 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.640 like how poorly framed this nature documentary is quite a few times. There's like 217 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.480 a lot of times where you can barely see the scorpions, they're down at 218 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:15.039 the bottom of the frame. And then you get this very dry not necessarily 219 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:19.279 David Attenborough, but these intertitles in here, and I like that. The 220 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:25.359 last inner title that you see is what's it saying? It says some hours 221 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.759 later, and that takes us to the next section of the film, and 222 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:34.720 that totally reminds me of when shen Andalou and just all of those time transitions 223 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:40.000 last week on Sunday in the Spring, just all of those different transitions that 224 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.039 he has, and he does that a few times in this one as well, 225 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.319 where you're just like, wait, how much time has passed? Because 226 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:51.279 we move on to that next section where it's all taking place at the shore, 227 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.640 you have one of the bandits coming across this group of I guess they're 228 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:00.200 bishops, these religious figures, and they're all chanting on the soundtrack, and 229 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.759 he leaves, and then in the subsequent sequence we see them and they're all 230 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.440 skeletons and we're just like, wait, how much time has passed here? 231 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:12.960 And we see the cornerstone for Rome being laid down, and then we cut 232 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.000 to quote unquote imperial Rome and it's basically the modern city. So I'm like, 233 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.039 what can't really trust to Time in this at all? I think he's 234 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:27.880 it's partly a joke and then partly just to say here were these beggars, 235 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.400 and we see these few religious people begin to come and then they clearly took 236 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:40.079 over the land, and then we see these boatloads of bourgeois and the religious 237 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.640 figures coming and finding the bones there. So I think, ultimately what that 238 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.960 is really what he wants you to take from it. So I think the 239 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.519 Time thing was just a way to mess with you. Even in the short 240 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.839 film, it's sixteen years earlier and then it's no one looks any different. 241 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:02.799 This is what happened, and only had built up to Rome, and slowly 242 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.200 it came these old loads of people taking over. I guess that's what he 243 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.039 was getting at with the Time. That was the thing that I liked. 244 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:14.920 And some of the readings was talking about how the censors originally just thought it 245 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.559 was a big joke. They couldn't understand why anyone this is of that kind 246 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.920 of ridiculousness that you're talking about. Yeah, that whole thing with this group 247 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.960 of beggars, bandits, hunters. I'm calling them bandits because they looked like 248 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:30.640 beggars. They all have guns, so I'm like, Okay, maybe they're 249 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.400 out robbing people or maybe they're just hunting. I don't know, but they 250 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.960 are all hold up like they're starving too. They're like on their deathbed. 251 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:44.759 Yeah, so they're terrible hunters. Yes, they don't have a lot to 252 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.599 choose from, and this very desolate shoreline that they're on. Maybe they're members 253 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.519 of PEDA. Like they said that, they seem to be accepting their feets 254 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.839 because they're like, oh, we know it's over for us, but we're 255 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.640 gonna go anyway. So it was almost like they were going to fight it 256 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.079 out. And then I don't know if you guys saw, I could have 257 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.319 swore that when the boatload of people came and they found their bones, you 258 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.640 see the hats of the religious figures, I could have swore one of the 259 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:17.680 hats that the beggar who found the bodies, he's just like this big farmer's 260 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:19.759 hat. So I don't know if if he's getting at that. There was 261 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:25.279 some fight that broke out and that and they all died right there together. 262 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:27.519 But I don't know if you guys have picked up on that. They look 263 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.200 to me, like, what the hat that guy's hat was? With all 264 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:37.640 of those bishops there, there's so much detail and times that it's you have 265 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.400 to watch it several times to get certain things, and if you have like 266 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.240 attention problems, you may have to rewind it. Watch the sea, you 267 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.119 can't figure out what the hell you just saw because you moved from one segment 268 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.920 to another a lot of times without any warning. It's just okay, we're 269 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.000 off to this new thing. Yeah, we're bored trying to move on to 270 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.559 the next thing, which I think is why it's so important. I won't 271 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:06.000 say is a fellow movie YouTuber that I know he reviewed it and hated it 272 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.640 because it doesn't make sense. And I'm like, again, do your dreams 273 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:11.839 make sense? I don't know about you guys, but I have that have 274 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:17.480 vivid dreams and they make no sense, and you could take something from it, 275 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.680 but I think it's much more valuable to just look at what do the 276 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:25.200 people do and what does that say about the story? What is actually forget 277 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:29.519 about traditional narrative. I don't understand why people get so hung up on that 278 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:32.920 there was a great I mean, I think it was like just two or 279 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.480 three images of Dart. And I don't know if this was from an actual 280 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.519 interview that was translated or not. I can't say where it was, but 281 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:44.400 it was something like Goddard saying, you're married and you don't like same movies, 282 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.119 you're bound to get divorced. So talking about my ex wife, I 283 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.880 was a putting well fan. She was like, I have enough ambiguity in 284 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:55.759 my life. I don't want it in my art. So this was a 285 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.640 lady like to watch in no offense to anyone. He enjoys it, just 286 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.400 arathods of like Coulkeye files. Yeah, I'm a side life on the streets 287 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.559 in one order. So she wanted, oh, structured work. She couldn't 288 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.359 get her head into it. She was just like, no, She's like, 289 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.279 how don't mind watch Ford film? Jesus don't make me watch another foot 290 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.920 in. Wilson could tell that our relationship at the end. At that point, 291 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.400 Robert, you mentioned that BFI book, The Paul Hammond One, and 292 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.880 I had to say, I haven't been doing a lot of drugs lately, 293 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.920 but my god, I felt like I was high when I was reading his 294 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.559 book. I was just having such a hard time understanding what he was saying 295 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.880 a lot of times because he would flip from talk about the movie and then 296 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:40.720 he would flip to the making of the movie and then go back into the 297 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:42.720 movie, and there was no real again talking about transitions, there was no 298 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:47.119 transition between I'm like, oh, now we're talking about the movie again. 299 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.359 Okay, now we're talking about the making of again, all right. But 300 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.960 it just all flowed from one to the other. And there were so many 301 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.000 parentheticals where I was just like, what are you doing here? What are 302 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.519 you trying to talk about here? I was so confused. He would wrote 303 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.440 it like a Boonwall film. Baby, I think that's what you're going to 304 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.200 stay Rob, I go, So it appears to book structures by the film. 305 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are all I don't know if you've 306 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.079 read a lot of those, be if I bye. I find them all 307 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:18.920 a little hard to read. They're not easier to read. I've read some 308 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:23.640 good ones, but they're extremely intellectual. I've gone back and reread passages, 309 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:30.759 got my dictionary handy. They're definitely very dense. But I've read some good 310 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.279 ones, but yeah, they're that this one in particular was very challenging. 311 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:38.279 The one thing I liked that he did was he would go through some of 312 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.559 the actors and talk about who they were, Like, I recognize Max Stearns 313 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.839 as the bandit leader inside of the little hunting lodge hideaway type thing that he's 314 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.200 doing, and I think he's the one that has the first line of the 315 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.519 film where he just yells at the rest of them to stop it. That's 316 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:00.480 cool, But then Hammond would go through a lot of the other actors in 317 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.319 the film and tell you, oh, it's this person, was this, 318 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:06.440 and this person was. Then gave you like a little bit of a biography 319 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:10.720 of each surrealist that was showing up in the film, which I thought was 320 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:14.759 pretty cool. But then again, I'm just like trying to make sense of 321 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.400 it. We're already talking about a movie that doesn't hould together a lot more 322 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.359 narratively, But then the book itself has that weird structure where I'm just like, 323 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.559 what the house happening? So I'm glad that I wasn't the only one 324 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.880 that was a little confused by that one, to the point where I was 325 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.400 looking for reviews to be like, is it just me? Am I just 326 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.079 being dumb or what's happening? So rus partly why I put it down. 327 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.200 I'm like, I'm just gonna go watch it again and read other things on 328 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.920 it. There's spoken dialogue in this, and it reminds me of Hitchcock. 329 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.160 Like Hitchcock's first sound silent film was Blackmail, where he shot it silently and 330 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.559 then he went back and he added sound bits to it. You already have 331 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:02.559 him using like subjective sound. So when the murder us, here's somebody talking 332 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.799 about a knife, Like she doesn't hear the rest of the conversation. She 333 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:11.960 just hears the word knife over and over again after she had stabbed this artist. 334 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.920 And in this one, here we are it's a few years after the 335 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.440 sound revolution is starting, but we've got straight dialogue, people just talking, 336 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:25.559 okay. You've got unsourced sounds, so you have things that are on the 337 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.920 soundtrack where you're just like, I'm not exactly sure where that's coming from. 338 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.880 You have sound effects like when you see those bishops the first time, you 339 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.319 hear them chanting, but you can't really make out what they're saying. Necessarily, 340 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:42.160 you've got thought conversations later on in the film where people are just thinking 341 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:47.039 things and we're supposed to think that the other person can almost hear them, 342 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:51.599 and then you even have at one point there's a telephone conversation and it just 343 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:56.240 sounds like cartoon voices and they are not matched up to mouths whatsoever. And 344 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.680 it's just what am I seeing? But I love that he's playing was sound 345 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.359 so much in his first sound film, that he's just doing all of these 346 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.119 different things with it. And that was the first time when I watched this 347 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.400 movie in Rochester, I was just like, am I supposed to be hearing 348 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.200 something? Was this added later on? You know? What was the life 349 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.039 cycle of this movie? Was it all silent at first but then they added 350 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.960 sound. It's really tough to tell, but I think that he was just 351 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:23.400 like, Okay, I've got this new tool. I'm just going to mess 352 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.319 around with it as much as possible. The thing that's interesting here about that 353 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.799 use of sound as when you think about the fact that it's not only his 354 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.880 first sound film, but it's my understanding, it's like one of the first 355 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.480 sound film out of France, and at the same time, also consider the 356 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:45.240 use of sound experimentation outside of a theater context. There really wasn't a lot 357 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:49.559 because radio. It only started less than ten years before, and a lot 358 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:55.039 of that was just live music and live read so you didn't have a ton 359 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.119 of special sound effects and different things like that. They were just starting to 360 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.799 get into those kind of radio play dramas and things like it would come later 361 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.720 into the thirties. When we watch it now as a modern audience, if 362 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.960 we don't understand that historically, guess it's the same as watching I don't know, 363 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.039 maybe like Passion Joan of Arc going oh the deal close ups, but 364 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:19.319 you have to understand it in context at the time, as opposed to now 365 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:25.359 where it's shit close ups all day long, like TikTok so what So It's 366 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.839 one of those things where you have to have a historical understanding in order to 367 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:33.480 get something. It's funny because I didn't find these Nothing in the sound was 368 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.519 throwing me unless it maybe I've seen enough old the older films that it doesn't 369 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:44.799 necessarily pop out as being unusual. I did. The fact that he was 370 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:49.079 using very like music, was very happy, which I love, which was 371 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:55.200 such an interesting that hitch good Dad sometimes as well. Sometimes his music was 372 00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:00.759 very direct, but the imaged necessarily always match the music was using but again, 373 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.119 is that mess with people? Is that a joke? Is that to 374 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.359 make it feel like these things could happen to you do? And so we're 375 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.039 used to seeing there's happy music on films, so it brings you a little 376 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.839 more into it as opposed to being something from a distance or out of an 377 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:22.160 over film. On YouTube, someone remixed the sound of it, like uploaded. 378 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.079 On my second viewing, I was like, I don't remember these sounds, 379 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.200 and the whole time that someone coughing and moan was and I was like, 380 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.920 this is really interesting. I don't even remember this. And then I 381 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.559 and then in the car I was like, I don't think this is it. 382 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.920 And then in the comments someone said, the hell remixed? You could 383 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.960 find it on YouTube. Bizarre, but it's really good. Like I would 384 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:47.960 not recommend anyone do that to anyone, touch anyone's movies, but in this 385 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.000 case it was bizarre. It was really unique. This is a couple of 386 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.720 things in there. As someone who worked in radio for a long time that 387 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:02.279 I'm just like, this stuff is not like sound effects. We're not trying 388 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.880 to be seamless in a way. They were not trying to be naturalists, 389 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.880 but they were not mixed at a particular level in order to make them seem 390 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:14.720 normal, quote unquote, to bring you into a realism. There were a 391 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.720 lot of them were heightened, a lot of them were you could tell that 392 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.200 they were not from that scene, they were from somewhere else. In that 393 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.880 way, the use of the music, as you were saying, could be 394 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:33.480 early form of musical commentary. Like we often think about Tente Banger or Martin 395 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:38.799 Scorsese using ironic music. I can't think of anyone who was doing ironic music 396 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.640 in nineteen thirty film. She was saying, Yeah, that was that would 397 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.720 take another thirty years, but there's all that in there, and I think 398 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.559 that's a really interesting thing, Like you say, for an early soundship, 399 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:59.119 I did find her scream and they were a big sex on the beach there. 400 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.440 At first I thought someone screaming, like it sounded like someone was being 401 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.240 kit or killed. And then I'm like, are they what's kind of like 402 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.680 is he raping her? Like? Are they having sex? Is it? 403 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.480 I'm like, is he hitting her? I don't know if that was intentional, 404 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:15.039 because it's not like it obvious sex sounds. It sounds maybe that's because 405 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:21.559 of the oppression that it's just like coming out in Screams and Pleasure at the 406 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.880 same time, that to me was a little jarring. When you think about 407 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.880 one of the big influences, and this is later in the film that influence 408 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:37.640 really shows up was Marquitisad. So the idea of on the surrealists they discovered, 409 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.640 They saw it and just thought he was great and a kind of liberator 410 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.680 type. So when you're talking about, okay, well maybe there's like this 411 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:49.799 violent screaming sexuality that might not be too far removed from that idea within the 412 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.559 Surrealists in that period. One thing that I picked up on the first time 413 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.720 I watched this and was I thought it was in there a lot more, 414 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:02.680 but it's only a few mentions, but they're in enough sections that I thought 415 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:07.279 it was interesting. Is the bandism. One point they say the Majorcans are 416 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.880 here, and then we've got references to Majorca throughout a lot of this movie. 417 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.960 And that was one thing that I was glad that Hammond talked about, 418 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.119 was this what treaty that was signed in Majorca. And that's maybe this is 419 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:25.200 commentary on that because Majorka, I mean, it's just this tiny little island 420 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.559 out there in the right off the coast of Spain. We'll probably not right 421 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.759 off the coast, but off the coast of Spain. And yeah, there's 422 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:37.160 Majorkans come throughout this whole movie. There are little references to Majorca on them 423 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.839 because apparently all of these people that are arriving on the shore are all from 424 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.400 Majorca, and there's a lot of them. Like you said, they do 425 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.319 feel like very much an invading force and they all feel very bourgeois. And 426 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:55.359 that's where we get introduced to Guestan Madoe and Leah liss Is the woman's same. 427 00:31:55.400 --> 00:32:00.599 I believe all of these people are walking across these kind of barren dscapes 428 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.599 by the shore. See the bishops their skeletons, They give them a salute, 429 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.240 and off they go. I guess they're there to dedicate this kind of 430 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:15.599 cornerstone to child our land now. And that's where we meet the man and 431 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.279 the woman and them in the mud having sex. And you mentioned that screen 432 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.119 that we have that even sages us seeing them, people around them having to 433 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:29.640 pull them apart and take them away. She gets taken away first, he's 434 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.200 there in the mud, and then they finally get him up. And these 435 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:37.400 two men just march him off, and then really, for a long time, 436 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:43.119 this movie is cutting back and forth between her and what she's doing, 437 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.920 kind of fantasizing about him, and then him being marched by these guys. 438 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:52.240 And yeah, he sees this dog and this dog is just bothers him. 439 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.640 And the way that he breaks away from the men to go up and kick 440 00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.079 this dog. Oh, and he breaks away later to smash a bug, 441 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:05.400 and he breaks away again and he kicks a blind man. He's just the 442 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:09.119 spont of rage. Yes, that's the meat cute, I guess, because 443 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.680 the rest of the film is really a romatic comedy. They want to get 444 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.000 back together, so it's like, how did we be? We were fucking 445 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:20.079 on the beach in front of everyone and we got really dirty and then people 446 00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.839 came but said, no, I can't do that. So trying to get 447 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:28.279 together ever since. There's one thing you didn't mention is the toilet sea And 448 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.720 I was thinking about this, and granted we don't actually see it flush, 449 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.359 but we hear it. So I remember thinking like, like, oh, 450 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.440 Psycho showed a toilet flush of the innovation, so I'm like, maybe boom 451 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.160 Well was thirty years ahead of that. You hear the toilet flush and he's 452 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.559 cutting to it looks either like mud or shit, just spiraling down. And 453 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.240 I saw that as the interim how they were both feeling. It's like, 454 00:33:52.559 --> 00:34:00.319 you're just making our life shit and crap and flushing it right down to it. 455 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.880 And what I liked about the fact that, again, how he's playing 456 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.880 with time is it's okay. So the major gains came, it took over, 457 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.840 and then we see this couple there having sex on the beach, and 458 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:19.079 it's just like, this feeling of this has happened right away, right away 459 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.880 they started to tell people what to do, how to control people. He's 460 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.840 just he doesn't gradually work its way up to it. It's like it's happening 461 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.400 right now, and it doesn't even feel like they just met there. It 462 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.840 just feels like they've they've been together for years. And I think that's why 463 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.000 he had this rage of not being allowed to have sex with this woman and 464 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.800 so kicking the dog, kicking the blind man, squashing the beatle. This 465 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.039 has been happening forever, and I think that's why it goes all the way 466 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:54.400 back to the major gains in the Ancient Rome. And he's making you feel 467 00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.480 like This isn't just a few scenes a month or a week, his years 468 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.280 and years of oppression. And what I also really I didn't spotted until this 469 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:12.039 third time I stopped, was the other people that he cuts to gives you 470 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.079 the impression. And it's not just this couple, it's everybody, Like the 471 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.320 one guy he comes out of a cafeer at bar and he also has like 472 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.519 mud or dust all over his jacket, and then they follow him and he's 473 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.639 kicking the violin and I'm thinking, yeah, so I took that as okay, 474 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.719 So it's not just this couple for whatever reason, it's everybody, down 475 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:36.760 to that conductor at the end who suddenly stops and he's got this throbbing headache 476 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.840 again. I think he's say, this is what oppression does. It's like 477 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:44.679 people can't get on with their lives. It's like with the what you said, 478 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:49.480 rob with the scorpions. If you stop them from their natural state of 479 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.679 being in spontaneity, they're gonna, they're gonna bite, they're gonna they're gonna 480 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.519 get aggressive, but they're not gonna be able to do what they need, 481 00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.119 what they want to do. And down to that conductor at the end with 482 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.599 that brobbing headache. I really like that. I really like that he doesn't 483 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.880 just make it all about these two people. It's like everybody, everybody's experiencing 484 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:15.119 this. That's also part of it is that when people watch this, if 485 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.320 they're used to conventional narrative, they may go, Okay, who is he 486 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.679 and who is she? And what are their names and what is their backstory? 487 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.159 And it's no, They're just man and woman. They're just humanity. 488 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:31.199 They're not characters through symbolic ideas of alerture issue. I love how we have 489 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.760 different views of the toilet scene in certain ways. Because I thought that was 490 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.599 lava. So there was part of me that thinks, oh, this is 491 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:46.599 lava, This is passion inside that's being pushed down or submerged. We have 492 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.920 to submerge these things. We have to hide these things. We have to 493 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.480 get rid of these things, these things that the outside world says are filthy 494 00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:00.239 or dirty, we have to hide them and be clean and respect. Yeah. 495 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.159 I thought that was also lava or mudflow or something. Yeah, And 496 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.960 it almost seemed like it was reversed out the way that the footage was being 497 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.480 shown. I think there might have been another reverse shot as far as that 498 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.320 goes, But like we see the negative image and I forgot that they are 499 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:21.719 there too. That only that cornerstone, but it's also it's a dedication to 500 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.800 the Majorcans who died there in nineteen thirty, which is the year that this 501 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.079 movie is coming out. And also while the man is being marched through the 502 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.719 city, feels like they're going to take him to jail or something. He 503 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.840 sees man with a placard and there's a set of legs on there. So 504 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.920 of course he's thinking of his girlfriend, thinking of the woman, and just 505 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:49.000 thinking of her legs. But there's also another moment where we have this picture 506 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.800 of a hand and then he imagines the hand becoming her hand, and this 507 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.199 we're going to talk about wigs and hair and stuff, but we have this 508 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:02.440 kind of mound of hair all so in that image, and it's so completely 509 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:09.800 a masturbation image. It's undeniable. Even when we see that placard with the 510 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:15.000 legs, and it's more like the crotch than the legs is what I'm seeing 511 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.719 when it comes to that, And I'm going to get her crotch much later 512 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.440 on in this film as well. He's just so obsessed with her sex. 513 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:27.000 I think it would be very easy for a filmmaker to have male masturbation, 514 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.280 but for it to be female masturbation with the way the fingers are being Like 515 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.599 in nineteen thirty, it's like people were really uptight about talking about men at 516 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.599 alone, how a woman would here's your Dolly reference, because when you read 517 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.159 anything about Dolly, he was guilt ritten constantly, shame and guilt ritten over 518 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.519 the amount of masturbation. And it comes out in his art like it's all 519 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.000 over the place, it is work. So I'm like, Okay, that's 520 00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.519 definitely a Dolly. It's all the masturbatorist. She's planning this party that we 521 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:06.440 see later at this chateau. If you notice I didn't spot this to the 522 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.679 third time, but she has a bandage on her finger, and I think 523 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.119 it's her sister. I think that was her sister, and who says, 524 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.079 oh, I was Jerry. I think she asks like, oh, the 525 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.599 your finger or whenever she's like, oh yeah, it's been like this for 526 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.239 a weekik or so, And I was like, Okay, if he has 527 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.639 her finger bandage, just gotta be a reason. So I took that as 528 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.559 she's been massed, he's been bores the mass only masturbatedge. She's been masturbating 529 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.760 so much that she injured herself. I was like, that must have been 530 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.639 what he was getting at, but I just thought that as hilarious. That's 531 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.039 one other thing that I liked about that Hammond book was that he could translate 532 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:47.400 the French and also talk about how words and French have different meanings. Those 533 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.840 French have a different word for everything, but just like the word bandaged also 534 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:59.440 refers to like sexual stuff. So when her mother says bandaged, she just 535 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.559 asked that rather than says anything else, just that one word and you know, 536 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.800 oh, yes, it's been sore four weeks as the woman. Bandage 537 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.320 has us different context over there. And there's a few other times where he 538 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:15.639 would point out things that would have devil sometimes triple on andres and almost owe 539 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:22.239 us related to sex. So it's us having different critical code words for sex 540 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.000 as we talk about things, and the French are the same when it comes 541 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.400 to this word could also mean this, and this one could mean this. 542 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.559 A Cleveland steamer could be a hot dog, or it could be something completely 543 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.920 different. It was also interesting there because you don't even have to think about 544 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:44.239 this too much. But in terms of the time we talked about gay cutting 545 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:49.159 back and forth between time and messing with does. But the guy gets hauled 546 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.239 off of her and arrested, and she, you assume, goes home. 547 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.119 It seems as if more time has passed. With her, she's in different 548 00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.719 Wardjobe. She's planning this party again the bandage, whereas with him, it's 549 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.679 like the next shot is what we just saw, So it's for him, 550 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.599 it's like the next half an hour. It seems like for her it's like 551 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.199 the next week at least. So why he did that, I don't know, 552 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.119 but I like it again, it's surrealist nature of it all. But 553 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.719 this thing with time, I want to go see it again, just to 554 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.920 see if there was be something I'm missing about that. There's the one inner 555 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:30.159 title that says sometimes on Sundays and then we have this looks like a tidal 556 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.400 wave or something. All these buildings are collapsing, and they show that a 557 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.320 few times, and it's just okay. Sometimes on Sundays. This happens Sundays, 558 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.239 which, of course people go to church, which I must have been 559 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:45.239 intentional. It's like he would obstruction them to society, knock down some buildings, 560 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.800 why not once they pull him off the beach. I always got this 561 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:52.400 feeling that they were like going to take him to jail ors, because there's 562 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.880 the two guys, he's handcuffed, he walking between him, and he never 563 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.400 ends up there. He ends up actually free of them. So there's part 564 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:06.280 of me that goes Maybe it's just the idea that he's saying there is that 565 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.679 we hold each other together, like we in a way kind of force each 566 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:16.360 other into this position where we're trying to get these needs met, we're interested 567 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.639 in these other things that we're talking about. He has these images of the 568 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.320 posters coming to life and things like that. That's where we go if we 569 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:32.000 weren't held in literal bondage in cuffs by those who are around us. One 570 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:37.119 that amazing thing that he's doing again was sound like at one point, the 571 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.639 woman goes into her bedroom and there's a cow on the bed, and the 572 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:44.599 cow gets off, and you don't see the cow anymore, but you hear 573 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.079 the cowbell. But then you cut back to the man and you hear the 574 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.280 cowbell over the soundtrack, or he's there walking and there's a barking dog, 575 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.280 which probably makes them very angry because they probably want to kick that dog. 576 00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:00.920 And then you cut back to her and you hear the dog on her soundtrack, 577 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.679 or then it's very windy where he's at, and then you cut back 578 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.360 to her and her hair is blowing in the breeze, as if she is 579 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:13.360 experiencing the same wind. It's like they are so tied together that they even 580 00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.079 experience the same sounds from one to another. It's almost like this huge psychic 581 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.760 connection that they have. Those sound elements didn't pop out to me as much 582 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.880 clearly they did because I was thinking about that as well, why are we 583 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:31.320 hearing these sounds she can only hear and then seeking hear what you mentioned with 584 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:35.840 the cow bows. How can he suddenly be hearing that if we're cutting back 585 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.760 to him. But that's how I took it. It's like they are they 586 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.320 are one almost, They're thinking the same thoughts, they're they know what each 587 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.280 other are thinking or what each other is, what they're both experiencing at the 588 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.199 same time. So just interesting because it feels like he's not even separating yet, 589 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.360 and as sense, even though people are trying to separate yet, it's 590 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:59.679 like they have this spiritual connection. So yeah, that's it's really interesting how 591 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.440 either that with the sounds, the use of sound. Yeah, and then 592 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.280 we have a flashback because suddenly, I don't know where, I don't know 593 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.559 why the man hasn't done this before, but he's just hey, wait a 594 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.159 second, and he hands them these papers, and then we have a flashback 595 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:21.960 to when he got the papers. The international good Will Delegate has given him 596 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.159 their decree that he's on now on a good will mission. And so great 597 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.840 because the guys are reading this and the man just basically just walks away from 598 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.159 them, breaks away just like, hey, I'm not a good will mission, 599 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.159 leaves his papers with them. He goes over. There's a taxi that's 600 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.719 pulling up. There's a blind man who's I guess maybe waiting for the taxi 601 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.920 or whatever. But he goes over and he has to kick the blind man 602 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:51.679 before he sent in a taxi. This guy's good will mission isn't working out 603 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.039 so well. Yeah, that was the great hire Nye. And what I 604 00:44:54.119 --> 00:45:00.360 liked was like it seemed he says something about politics there too, like how 605 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.480 privileged they are. It's like they're arresting this guy for what he did. 606 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.599 But because it seems as if he has some kind of political position. Oh, 607 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.719 it's like you're work for the government. Yeah, no problem, you 608 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:13.360 can if you can be corrupt, you could abuse your power. No worries. 609 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.280 I was thinking of it. And maybe this is just because, as 610 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.239 I was saying, I've been in school too long during COVID, that there's 611 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:28.960 a certain amount of respectability that comes with having degrees or education within the society. 612 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.800 So I saw it as he must have passed something, he was given 613 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:38.039 this honor, so therefore he is a higher status than just an average person, 614 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:43.639 and therefore he can get away with certain he's allowed to have a certain 615 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.679 amount of freedom within the context of the box that they've given him, which 616 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.519 includes being able to basically hate on the people who are lower than him, 617 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.840 which obviously a blind man would be because he's of course he's a blind man. 618 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.840 So why not kick the blind man? Why not kick the dog? 619 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:04.039 Why not? Oh, be shitty to the people that have it worse than 620 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:09.159 you. That's acceptable. There's there's actually a document there's a documentary on YouTube, 621 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.639 and he's his personality shines in his movies. Certainly, if anyone who's 622 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.840 watched him in interviews, he mentions his I hope I'm getting to someone right. 623 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.519 I probably should have went back to say what he said, but he 624 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.920 mentioned something about not trusting anyone blind or not liking anyone blind. Just think 625 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.559 about it. If they're the ones cutting your meat in the Delhi He's like, 626 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:37.920 would you trust He's like, that's a surrealist image right there, blind 627 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:44.039 man cutting the meat. I'm like, okay, yeah, the blind butcher. 628 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.239 So I was as as funny as just when he said that. I 629 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.119 thought, Oh, no, wonder he's got Maybe he didn't like dogs either. 630 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.840 I don't who knows. Oh. I love that we've been talking about 631 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:58.880 this movie longer than this movie has been running, because we're about halfway through 632 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.599 the film, just at this point where we get to meet the Marquis of 633 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.599 X and the first time we see him, he's got all of these dead 634 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.239 flies all over his face. I love it. And this is the party 635 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.320 scene, and the party is really going to take us through pretty much the 636 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.159 rest of the movie other than this day New Mob the Venom Sack, as 637 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.840 I mentioned earlier, but this whole thing of this big party. You've got 638 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.760 this car pulling up and these guys coming out, and there's this I just 639 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.119 described as a symbol. I wasn't exactly sure what this thing was that they 640 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:35.960 take out of the car that people get out, they put the symbol back 641 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:37.920 in the backseat of the car. I think it was a reliquary, which 642 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:44.599 ir reliquary is a looks like a frost. It stands up and it usually 643 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.000 has like raised to come out of it, and in the center there's usually 644 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.440 a piece of flesh or clothing or something that is related to a saint. 645 00:47:53.039 --> 00:48:00.079 So this is part of Catholicism in which reliquaries are that are given adoration, 646 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:07.079 they are prey to in that way. So that's what I saw that as 647 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.119 maybe something else, but that's what it looked like to me. Makes as 648 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.199 much sense to me as anything else. And it did feel like it had 649 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.199 a religious symbolism to it. And yeah, it felt like rays of the 650 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.880 sun coming out from this thing. I wasn't sure if it was that or 651 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.519 fell off the ark of the Covenant or what it was. This is the 652 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:29.360 hunter actually finally gets a chill or something. I don't know. It's like 653 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:34.400 somebody finally learns how to shoot the damn gun. Ah. I didn't connect 654 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:40.280 that. Yeah, that's the best part that's just this little shit eating kids 655 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:45.840 a hunter outside. We cut to him. He's outside of the party and 656 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.800 there's this little kid that comes up, and this little kid's being a jokester 657 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.119 and knocks this thing out of the guy's hand. Guy just fucking shoots him. 658 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:58.199 More than that, he fucking shoots his corpse, which is fantastic. 659 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.039 Oh my, again, I saw what I said with the man kicking the 660 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.039 violin, right, it's again it's like, here's another character who's maybe experiencing 661 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:12.559 what the man and woman in this film are experiencing him. So every little 662 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:17.519 thing that pisses him off is gonna come out in a ferocious, violent manner, 663 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.519 kicking a dog, kicking a violin, and even shooting this poor kid. 664 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:27.360 God, and you get those shots in here where we're in the ballroom 665 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:32.039 and you've got these two guys drinking wine or whatever driving their wagon through the 666 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:37.119 middle of the ballroom. Or the poor woman who comes out of the kitchen 667 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.599 looks like a maid and she's smoking and the fire, yeah, just shooting 668 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.800 out of the kitchen. Oh I love the fire. No one notices, 669 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:52.599 which again is the appathe from all of the bourgeois. And that's what I 670 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:57.639 took from the flies on the face. This guy can't even notice that there's 671 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.639 flies on his frigging face, just like is it noticed a fire? And 672 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:05.760 again just no one carrying or feeling for another. And when they all look 673 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.000 at the kids shot, they're like, oh, okay, back to the 674 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:13.679 party. Nobody cares. That's all I saw that sequence, which was again 675 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:20.639 funny and certainly audacious, that that kitchen sequence after the jump. I want 676 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.199 to talk about how I see that influenced another scene that I know. This 677 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.920 a great moment too, where the man finally shows up at the party and 678 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.679 he's got this dress and I'm guessing it's the woman's dress, and he is 679 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.639 dragging it on the floor, and then through trick photography through backwards shooting, 680 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:44.800 he throws the dress onto this chair and it lends perfectly there, and then 681 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.679 we do a nice dissolve between that dress and the woman who's wearing that dress 682 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:53.400 in the main part of the ballroom, or going back and forth before he 683 00:50:53.440 --> 00:51:00.039 goes into ballroom itself and sees her across the room and see the lust on 684 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.440 his face. He's trying to get over there, but her mother stops him. 685 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.519 Her mother gets to him a drink spills a little bit on his hand, 686 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:12.599 and that's the only time where the bourgeois really react is when he stands 687 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.679 up and smacks her in the face. Yeah, yeah, you don't touch 688 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:22.360 one of ours. Everyone else is okay. But again, I see this 689 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.159 whole thing where they're like looking at each other, and then I think there's 690 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:29.599 like a woman or something that comes over to the woman and starts talking to 691 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.599 her. So it's like, this is the polite way in which we keep 692 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.000 you away from each other. Well, this isn't the forest. This is 693 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.199 oh, it's pleasant trees and conversation, all this stuff, like, how 694 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.960 do we mollify you to keep you from the thing, How do we keep 695 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.960 you socialized amongst each other? This goes back to the scorpion, right, 696 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.480 Like the people coming in at the scorpion is scorpions pushing out of my old 697 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:58.119 And I saw the dress as another tink, as another fetish. It's like 698 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.960 when you're when you're having sex, you always have these fantasies. Wouldn't it 699 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.800 be great if you wore this? He knew she was going to be there, 700 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.280 and here's the dress he wants her to wear. But that's all I 701 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.559 took that. So he gets kicked out of the party because of smacking your 702 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.119 mom, but then he just doesn't really leave. He comes back, and 703 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:21.039 when he comes back, nobody says anything. There's some unpleasant looks that he's 704 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.440 getting. There's at least one guy who's shooting daggers at him with his eyes, 705 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:30.039 but they just let him go along. And that's when they end up 706 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.719 going out into the I guess it's like a rock garden or a topiari or 707 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.320 something. It looks like there's a little bit of a edge maze happening here. 708 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:42.840 And then so much of the rest of this film is them in this 709 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:47.000 area and then going back and forth because that's also where we've got the music 710 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.199 is starting. And you talked about the violin being kicked down the street. 711 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.719 There's this whole thing about this looks like some sort of like a munk or 712 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.960 a priest or something that he's really good with the violin. But then there's 713 00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.119 pick. There's four of them in the band itself. They all are dressed 714 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:06.880 the same. Reminds me of those two priests that are being pulled on the 715 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.920 was it the back of piano and Shenandalude? There there, and we keep 716 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:16.239 getting close ups of these figures in the orchestra, going back and forth between 717 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:21.000 them and then the conductor, and yeah, we'll definitely talk about that conductor 718 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.960 in a bit, but we've got that amazing scene of them, the man 719 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.480 and woman sucking down each other's hands, and this bird trilling on the soundtrack. 720 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.880 And then the one thing that I when I saw this the first time, 721 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.760 it was I was in a theater, so I couldn't say, oh, 722 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.440 I got to rewind that when suddenly the hand is caressing her face, 723 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.679 but then you realize it doesn't have any fingers, and I was like, 724 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:51.840 oh, okay, did she eat his fingers? But later on he's got 725 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.599 fingers again. It's kind of like how that bandage appears or reappears. I 726 00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.320 saw that as he couldn't eat because they've been separated for so long at it's 727 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.599 now it's not working out, it's not gonna feel good. It's like he's 728 00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.079 down to the fact that he's lost fingers. I mean, maybe that goes 729 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.159 back to the sore of dumb. He's had to now masturbate himself, masturbate 730 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:19.039 too much that he's lost his hand. Could be a castration fear. They 731 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.400 have their fingers in each other's mouths, and then the fingers aren't there. 732 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:27.679 It's vagina than Tata kind of thing. Oh she's want this, but I'm 733 00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.360 afraid that she's going to take away my power. So there's this way in 734 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:37.800 which they have to negotiate themselves outside of the context of what the society says. 735 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:44.599 Then their own their own mental issues. And then right after this, 736 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.239 I go, I know it's Wooden Wells foot of the statue. I go 737 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.519 extra quint and Tarantino wouldn't well thinking of the foot fetishes sun filed throughout its 738 00:54:54.599 --> 00:55:00.239 films. It starts here. I can't remember of a foot scene in the 739 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.480 Shennanalu, but it definitely starts here. It goes on and on through his 740 00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:09.039 entire work. I love that scene because it's relatable in the sense of I 741 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:15.280 don't know about you guys, but it's sometimes you're just trying to get with 742 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:21.199 someone and so it's building in your head, and it's the imagination is so 743 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.519 strong that you think it's going to be the greatest sex of your life. 744 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.679 And then when they finally have the time together, they're disappointed because again the 745 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.800 oppression. It's like has been now as a result, that has been built 746 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.239 up in their heads so much so they at first can't even get comfortable. 747 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.440 Their heads are hitting together, they hear the music, which stops them, 748 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:44.400 and even when they are kissing, it's like, oh, this is a 749 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:50.480 little disappointing, and so that's when oh, look at this toe. Maybe 750 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.000 we'll bring this into this and it's just again it's outrageous, but I think 751 00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.920 he was really getting at something at the core. It was very emotional. 752 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:06.159 I found dan just the power of the imagination of how when who particularly would 753 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:12.480 sex when it's you're waiting and waiting, and finally it can be disappointed because 754 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:17.039 it's, you know, always the fantasy is always stronger sometimes whereas if it 755 00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.880 had sex right away that maybe it would have been the best sex ever. 756 00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.039 But it goes down to that being forced to hurt. Yeah, him staring 757 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:30.960 at that toe, and I appreciate that he seems to be so fascinated by 758 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.199 that toe. But then she's the one that starts shrimming it. Yeah. 759 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.199 I love that he gets called away. The Minister of the Interior is on 760 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:43.599 the phone for you, sir Yea, to improvise with what's around it, 761 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.199 and I love that she clearly masturbated and got herself off. So when he 762 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.400 comes back, she's I'm tired. I just want to go to bed. 763 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:57.000 Even that image of suddenly he's seeing her old and it's means it was just 764 00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.119 like his fear of God, I'm never gonna have this a little bit, 765 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.880 We're gonna be We're gonna be old by the time we can be together. 766 00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.239 He's eating at something there. Just in terms of relationships, it's when you 767 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.480 really want to be with someone, it's that fear that it's not gonna happen, 768 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:16.000 or it won't happen under an ideal circumstance, and then before you know 769 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:22.360 what, you're dead or you're at that's door. That was really a really 770 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.960 powerful shot. I really memorable. I felt that call from the Minister of 771 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.920 Interior where you have just that. This is where I was talking about the 772 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:36.239 cartoon voices, because feels very much these are just and I know this is 773 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.599 strange to say, we're not coming from the actor's mouths whatsoever. They just 774 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:45.280 feel like they are really overdubbed on here, and you've got this voice like 775 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.800 you're entirely to blame. No child survived and I'm just like, what is 776 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.239 happening? And then we go to a black screen. We hear a gunshot 777 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:58.280 and a thump, and then we see the minister and he's dead, but 778 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.159 he's on the ceiling. He's not on the floor. Just that's a great 779 00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.760 image. Yeah, I'm wrestling with that one. It reminded me of Exorcist 780 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.039 three, when I forget which character it wasn't suddenly crawling on the ceiling. 781 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:15.039 The fact that whatever the hell this guy's job was, that he couldn't focus 782 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:19.719 on it to the point because of because that he was so focused on epic 783 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.480 sex with this woman that he wasn't allowed to sleep with it. Now everything 784 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:28.159 has just blown up and the world. I think he was getting at something 785 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.400 that it's like if again, like with the Scorpion, if you take them 786 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:36.440 away from their spontaneity, shit gets ferocious, right, and then this things 787 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.119 are gonna blow up, and to the point where he doesn't even care. 788 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:43.360 He's like, I don't give a shit about those kids. You even see 789 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.320 that when he hits her mother, she's like pleased by it or she's like, 790 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.000 oh wow, this is she takes pleasure from it. I just took 791 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:57.000 that as these warped reactions that we have. When you know, when if 792 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.719 someone beats you down and beats you down and beats you down and then you 793 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.440 see them get beat up, feels good and look, which is why she's 794 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.840 like even like what the kids getting killed? She has a line about it 795 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:13.079 where she's, yeah, this is just so great. It's just it fucks 796 00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.360 people right up. He even mentions later on, when they're having these kind 797 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.840 of thought discussions, I think he says, what joy and having killed our 798 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.519 children? This is twenty nine, nineteen thirty, and as we've talked about 799 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:30.079 a few years later, when we get into the universal horror cycle, there's 800 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.320 all of that residue of World War One. You know, what a joy 801 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.679 it isn't killing our children? Sending these young kids to die in a trench 802 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:43.880 out in the west of Eastern fronts that wasn't too far removed from people's minds 803 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.719 at that point in the interwar before the Second World War kicks off in another 804 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.599 ten years. Maybe that's what that comment is. It's just basically, we 805 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:58.159 can't accept ourselves, you can't accept our nature. We repress it, and 806 00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.519 then we just destroy all the good. It's if we till the buildings, 807 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:07.320 the children ever, all of them talking to each other via their thoughts. 808 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:10.280 We've got that amazing shot of him with all the blood on his face and 809 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:15.159 it looks like one of his eyes is really screwed up, and that's just 810 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:19.559 a momentary thing before we go back to him looking the way that he did 811 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.280 before, and that says right around the time where we've got the climax of 812 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.679 the music going on, and then the conductor, like you said before, 813 01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:31.599 he just stops and he holds his head like it was going to burst open 814 01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:37.000 or something, and just wanders off, and he wanders down that same path 815 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.079 and wanders to where the couple is, and when the woman sees him, 816 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:45.119 she's just like oh and just runs over to the conductor and starts French kissing 817 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:51.800 this guy, making the man a little angry. But then he stands up, 818 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.159 and he's a great comedy moment. He stands up and hits his head 819 01:00:54.159 --> 01:01:00.519 out a potted plant. So then he starts grabbing his head and wandering back. 820 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.800 And I thought he would go up and start conducting the music again, 821 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.800 because it just feels like they're switching places with the whole thing of the hands 822 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.840 on the head and walking blindly down this path. That's why I felt he 823 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:17.400 was another character who clearly was also experiencing this oppression, who can't then do 824 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.519 what he wants to do or needs to do. These headaches come and so 825 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.880 when she kisses him, it's a little like medicine. For now he's okay, 826 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.079 but these headaches are going to probably come up again, and so it 827 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:34.199 gets transferred over too, because he poses in the exact same way. He 828 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:38.000 walks away with his hands on his head, and it's been now transferred over 829 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:42.000 it to him. And then it gets even worse as he goes home and 830 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.840 rips the pillow apart, throws the frigging the bishops out the window. I 831 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:52.800 just like, again, it's just this destruction, and from one person to 832 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.880 the next, it's just the violence being transferred over and over again. And 833 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.719 I can see the conductor's position and as he's another one who is not just 834 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:09.000 oppressed by things, but he's also the manager of the culture. So I 835 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:13.719 look at him and go he's been given position of authority, but at the 836 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.880 same time, he still asked to play the music that they want, like 837 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:21.800 he's got to follow the sport. There there's a script that he has so 838 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:27.679 bebe. At some point it just becomes I'm battling between my position and myself, 839 01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.239 and that's why my head is the way it is. That's why I 840 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.119 had to go off, and I couldn't do this anymore. I was looking 841 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:40.079 at conductor and classical music as being this representation of what high culture was supposed 842 01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.119 to be, but was expected as though, of course, if you're an 843 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.840 educated person, if you're the lead person, of course you would love this 844 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:54.079 stuff because it's considered the pinnacle of European music. You've got him going back 845 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.639 to that room, tearing up that pillow, and then and there's a I 846 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:01.559 guess it's like a plow wars something on the floor. He's getting angry at 847 01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:06.519 that before he starts to tear up the pillow, and then he goes and 848 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.320 after he's tearing up stuff, he decides that he's going to start throwing things 849 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:13.239 out the window. He mentioned he throws the bishop out the window. He 850 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.320 throws that plow out the window. To get that very obvious miniature shot where 851 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.679 he throws a giraffe out the window. Looks like a flaming Christmas tree. 852 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.480 Yeah, that starts it all off. Yeah, the whole thing with the 853 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:30.119 giraffe. I'm just like, Okay, that's totally Dolly right there. He 854 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:35.119 was obsessed with giraffes. His script for The March Brothers was called Giraffes on 855 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:40.320 Horseback Salad. There's the burning giraffe painting. Giraffes just show up in a 856 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:45.039 lot of his work. It's one of those no offense to giraffes that are 857 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:50.159 listening to this, But giraffes are ridiculous looking animals, and I think he 858 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.920 just really got off on just how crazy these things look. It's just almost 859 01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:58.760 like a surrealist animal. I think that's part of it. But I also 860 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:05.360 read again this maybe masspiratory thing in match Dolly had erection issues, So I 861 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:11.159 think maybe the long neck of the giraffe sitsider stand in for a very well 862 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.960 and outdirection. I saw that as a connection to the cow in a sense, 863 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.440 because here's these people took over the land and built up all these chateaus, 864 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:24.440 but now these poor animals can't even be in their own habitat that they 865 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.800 got to live in this fucking chateau, and we don't give a shit about 866 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.039 these animals. Throw these girafts out the window. I like that read as 867 01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.719 well. Yeah, I would have loved to have seen the producer of the 868 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.239 day. The cow had to be filmed, guys, do we really need 869 01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:40.880 this? How are we going to get this cow in the room on the 870 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.159 bed, off the bed that must have been. I could just see them 871 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:45.840 fighting, like, no, we must shoot this, and I'm glad they 872 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.639 did because it's love it. I love that of all the images from this 873 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:54.159 movie, the cow on the bed and the woman's sucking on the toe, 874 01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:59.400 those are like the two things that I remember seeing for years before I ever 875 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.239 saw the film. The woman sucking on the toe was on the front of 876 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:08.159 that screenplay or book about Lodge to War that I saw way back in ninety 877 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.760 one, even before the BFI book came out. Like I know you said 878 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:15.800 you saw this in a movie theater or people laughing or were they just what 879 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:20.519 the fuck? Or both. Everybody that was there was a film fan so 880 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:26.519 if not a film fanatic, and it was people driving from or flying from 881 01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:30.280 all over the world to come to this nitrate film festival. We are there 882 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:34.599 for these movies. And even my friend Jeff, who isn't into movies that 883 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.599 much, but he goes with me to this night trate Festival, which I 884 01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.239 really love him for doing that. He was just absolutely fine with that. 885 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.800 He was just like, yep, he's there for it, and yeah, 886 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.960 I know what the hell was that when we left the theater, which was 887 01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.960 nice. And plus they do that little speech before they show any movies to 888 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:57.079 put it into context as well. Oh we didn't get the screen like they 889 01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.679 did in nineteen thirty. I would love to see this in a movie theater. 890 01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.559 I actually regret they showed it recently here in Toronto at a movie theater. 891 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:10.360 I fucking wish I had went. I didn't realize how any Obviously, 892 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.320 any movie in a theater is going to be a much different, richer experience, 893 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:18.679 but this particular, I feel like seeing this when people would be really 894 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.880 valuable and so hopefully I'm sure it'll happen again. But they I was curious 895 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.480 what it was like to see it with an audience. Yeah, it was 896 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.119 really good. Like I said, everybody was there for it, so it 897 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:33.119 wasn't like some little old lady walked in from off the street and it's just 898 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:41.719 what is this and no one's yelling scandal or shaquies or anything. There were 899 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:46.000 no right wing French extremists there to try to burn down the theater. Film 900 01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.599 is really in three parts, if you think about it, is that what 901 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:54.800 you think Mike I was saying. I've the assumption that this is told like 902 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:58.800 a scorpion's tale is a good way to read it. And some of the 903 01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:03.000 parts are smaller than the Obviously this party sequence is probably the longest sequence of 904 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.679 the film. But then we get to that poison sack that we'll talk about 905 01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:09.239 in a second. Mean, yeah, I figure five, but I could 906 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:14.280 see three. I saw a three scorpion, a couple and then the last 907 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:18.480 like the saylo Jesus orgy. That's how I saw it. Yeah, I 908 01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:23.599 saw it more and more as three. Yeah, we are right at the 909 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:29.679 title card that talks about how the survivors are emerged in a returning to Paris, 910 01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:34.039 and there's a miniature of this castle up on the cliff. And if 911 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:39.880 we get more of this title card and actually get to scroll now at this 912 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.559 point and it talks about how one hundred and twenty days earlier, these four 913 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:50.960 godless scoundrels locked themselves in a castle to indulge in bestial orgies. We are 914 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:57.280 right there in decd territory with this, and I love how the door opens 915 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:02.360 and the first person to leave is fucking Jesus Christ himself, just this beatific, 916 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.360 has that kind of far away look in his eyes, as if mess 917 01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:12.199 have really gotten his rocks off really well in that orgy he had a great 918 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:15.920 time, which, oh my god, but I can't bring myself to see 919 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.560 the Passoweni. I love Pasomini, but it looks like really disturbing. I 920 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:24.600 can't bring myself to say, but that's the same story, right, and 921 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:27.600 I to take it from the same story. It's one of our favorite episodes, 922 01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.760 or as I like to call it, on our episode Children's Programming. 923 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:38.279 We'll make sure to link that one. Listen. Apparently Roger Edberg died without 924 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.600 ever he couldn't bring himself to watch it. He just thought it looked like 925 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:44.520 I think he didn't think it was going to be good. But I think 926 01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:45.720 he was afraid of it, that's all. I feel like. I'm like, 927 01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:49.239 I can't go there. I can't the clips I've seen him look, 928 01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:54.720 oh god, it's definitely afraid of it for a long time. And that 929 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.680 I watched it and then it as I talked about in the episode, It 930 01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.039 reminds me of Francis Bacon painting, or there's another painter, Jerome Wicken, 931 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:06.680 who does these really dark scenes, and I'm like, I don't mind going 932 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:11.960 to museum to see those paintings, but I don't want them over my couch. 933 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.760 That's basically want to each it every so often. I don't. That's 934 01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:20.199 not everything, No, But the thing that's really funny about one hundred twenty 935 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:25.600 Days is sodom I actually read a large portion of it, is that it's 936 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.560 so over the top, so ridiculous in terms of the stories, that you 937 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.439 can't help but to laugh at it. It's so ridiculous. Dasad's writing is 938 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:41.199 just over the top in terms of his description. Even though it's like horrific 939 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.479 things, it's just done in such a way that it's such a burlesque that 940 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:47.439 it just I don't think anyone could take it seriously but in the hands of 941 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:53.279 pastility. And what he was trying to do is to take that idea and 942 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:58.000 say, this is fashion. This is the core of what it is in 943 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:01.039 here. I think what Bunwell is because that's why I asked about the three 944 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.079 segments is to me, with the scorpions, you can say, okay, 945 01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:11.560 that is about humanity or animal nature. This is about man and woman nature. 946 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:16.159 And then this is about what happens when the aristocrats, that the bourgeois, 947 01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:21.439 go too far, when they become so nihilistic that nothing matters anymore, 948 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:29.520 literally nothing matters. That it becomes they sub will be that it will be. 949 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:34.720 This nihilism is really what I always use if Day sad by both and 950 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:39.760 then also Pessolini, you're certainly onto something there, and he down to like 951 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.079 the last shot of the crucif things with the scalps. At first I was 952 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:45.960 like, what the hell is that? Is that some arth? But it's 953 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:48.199 that, and then I just that's that's when people in saying it is. 954 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:54.159 I'm like, wow, women scalps on a crucifix. Jesus Christ literally so 955 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:59.520 yeah, So Jesus comes out, three libertines follow him from out of this 956 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:05.439 chet or castle, and then a survivor comes out, this poor girl who 957 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:09.920 is just very worse for wear, so they have to take care of her. 958 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.119 And other than it being one of the three other libertines, it's Jesus 959 01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:18.880 that goes back into the castle quote unquote, takes care of her, comes 960 01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:23.800 out, he's missing his beard now, but he still has that same beatific 961 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:27.079 look on his face. And then yeah, we cut to that cross and 962 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:29.880 that cross, so you talked about how it's like women's scalps on there. 963 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:35.520 I was also thinking of the hair we saw earlier with the masturbation sequence Jesus's 964 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:39.920 beard as well. I'm just like, okay, maybe that's up on this 965 01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:45.039 cross, but what an amazing way to end this movie with this real middle 966 01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.079 finger of Jesus being one of these libertines. I even took it one further 967 01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:54.039 and that maybe when Well was saying, Okay, it's one thing to be 968 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:59.039 destroyed by a bunch of libertines, it's another thing to be destroyed or taken 969 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:05.159 over the church, which Jeeus represented, that's the final absolute assault on the 970 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:10.640 individual for him being an atheist. Thank God, as he would say that 971 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:15.800 is hopefully the worst thing is not so much that violence under you by man, 972 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:20.359 but the violence by the church that's a level higher. It was still 973 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:25.760 wrestling with what this was, why he suddenly went to this, But what 974 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:30.039 you're boat sitting makes a lot of sense to me. And again just the 975 01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:35.640 audacity in a good way. Des Boon Well and Dally to do that. 976 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:41.039 Even if someone did this now, it would be and I think you'd get 977 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:46.159 the same reaction. It's not worse, it's quite something. All right, 978 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:48.720 So let's go ahead. We're gonna take a break and we'll be right back 979 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:55.199 after these brief messages. 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Of course we had to win Shenandalu, which had a lot 987 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:35.279 of stuff, But I would say that's really more Dolly and Boonewal, whereas 988 01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:40.920 this one feels more I would say, like ninety percent Boonewell and ten percent 989 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:45.079 Dolly. But what are your thoughts on that? I definitely see a lot 990 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.840 of the through line sing here. In terms of his later work, there 991 01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:56.439 is party scenes in those clue things such as Discrete Charmigel, even some of 992 01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:00.800 the other films. You could look at the whole thing with Jesus with the 993 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:02.760 beard, without the beard. It's the milky way. You can see. 994 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:08.600 There's different things in here that come up again and again. Foot stuff, 995 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.239 It's all over the place. There's so much foot fetish stuff, like we 996 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:15.119 talked about, like I was joking about Tarantino and his love of feet. 997 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.039 WoT well was there before and he did it in a much out of your 998 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:23.039 weight at Tarantino did it for no reason other than that he likes But I 999 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:27.159 actually think when well like feet two. So I'm not knocking it for it. 1000 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.800 It's just that it was more subtle to me to actually notice it in 1001 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:33.960 I had had to go back. I was watching it and go, okay, 1002 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:38.680 there's that again. There's the shoes again. There's there's all these but 1003 01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:44.119 me a lot of the early kind of proto social commentaries, he obviously taking 1004 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:48.960 apart the bourgeois, the church clergy, all the way up until his last 1005 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:55.720 felt you look at that obscure objective desire is all about people wrestling with sexuality, 1006 01:14:55.800 --> 01:15:00.079 people wrestling with their attractions. How do they engage those This was made 1007 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:04.640 nineteen thirty. For the next forty seven years, the man basically was making 1008 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:10.880 you want to talk about tour theory. It's in there in terms of thematics. 1009 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:13.760 One of the things I thought was interesting, Like I said, since 1010 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.880 I learned how to read over the course of COVID, went back over my 1011 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.079 last side, and there's a couple of things in here. You were talking 1012 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:25.640 about Gala in Dali, and he talks about here, and he says how 1013 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.640 basically when Gala came into his life, just everything is over, says our 1014 01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:31.920 ideas clashed to such an extent we finally stopped collaborating on Lajdor. It was 1015 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.680 complete metamorphosis. I'll he would talk about with Gala, he echoed or every 1016 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:41.199 word utterance, and you just got more and more tired of dealing with him. 1017 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:45.079 The thing that I like here is so Lajdor was actually made at a 1018 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:53.079 gift by account nobleman basically a member of the bourgeois, as a gift to 1019 01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:56.439 his wife. And he would do this every year, where he would hire 1020 01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:01.319 an artist to make something and typically for this some sculpture, paints, whatever. 1021 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.640 So he started making these films and he was invited to this dinner where 1022 01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:10.800 he met this guy and he was told, okay, here's our proposal. 1023 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.119 He said, you can make a twenty minute film. We'll have complete freedom 1024 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.640 to do whatever you want, only one condition. Stravinsky has to write the 1025 01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:21.840 music for it. Sorry, I replied, you can imagine me collaborating with 1026 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:26.000 someone who's always falling on his knees and beating his breast. That's what I 1027 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:30.039 was saying about Stravinsky. His reaction totally unexpected. He goes, you're right, 1028 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.239 you and Stravinsky would never get along. Choose your composer, make the 1029 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.199 film you want, we'll get something else for Igor. So basically he was 1030 01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:40.279 left to go do whatever he wants. Now, I think, to a 1031 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:45.680 certain extent, maybe the conductor character is also boun well, poking at Stravinsky 1032 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:47.880 as well. That's interesting that you say that, right, because when I 1033 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.800 was talking way back at the beginning of this episode, when I read about 1034 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:57.960 lajd War causing a riot, the other piece of art that I thought of 1035 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:00.960 was the Right of Spring. How that also caused a riot. So that's 1036 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:08.600 funny that they almost worked together at least two very controversial figures. Yeah, 1037 01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:13.600 and Stravinsky in that period was like the punk. He was like the rock 1038 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:17.560 star. He was this guy who was taking classical music in a direction at 1039 01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.520 the people who thought, oh you would changed to that, He's just taking 1040 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:24.399 it in directions. I mean, go listen to the Right of Spring, 1041 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:28.479 which was actually a ballet as well. One of my favorites is the Firebirds, 1042 01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:32.199 amazing piece of modern classical music. So it's interesting to me, like, 1043 01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:36.720 how, like I said, Struvinsky is mixed up in this and I 1044 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:41.560 go, maybe he's making fun up Servinsky in subway with the conductor. The 1045 01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.439 other thing here, it says in its final version, the film ran about 1046 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.640 an hour bunch longer than shen Andalou. Dolly gave me several ideas. One 1047 01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:50.960 of them they found its way into the film was a man with a rock 1048 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:55.079 on his head walking through a public garden. He pauses that a statue that 1049 01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:58.760 also has a rock on its head. Oh yes, I forgot about that. 1050 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:02.239 Looks like in America, he told me. Is was Dolly's idea of 1051 01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:09.680 a compliment simply, undoubtedly from a technical point of view, that it was 1052 01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.720 more put together. Keith later says his intentions in writing the screenplay were to 1053 01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:16.960 expose the shameful machinations of contemporary society for me, and the film was about 1054 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:21.880 passion, an irresistible force to thrust two people together at about the impossibility of 1055 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:27.720 ever becoming one. Oh yeah. After they made the film, it said, 1056 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:31.119 apparently the church threatnecks communicate him, this was the aristocrat, and gave 1057 01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:36.439 them money. His mother had to go to Rome to negotiate. Oh like 1058 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:41.920 sen. Lajador opened at Studio twenty eight, where a play to packed houses 1059 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:45.600 for six days, and then the right wing press, however, attacked the 1060 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.479 theater in full battle dress, lacerating painting, surrealist exhibit in the foyer, 1061 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:54.399 smashing chairs, the annuals of Paris history. The episode was known as the 1062 01:18:54.479 --> 01:19:00.279 Lajador scandal. A week later, police Chief Chef closed the theater. The 1063 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:03.680 film was centered who remained so for fifty years. So this book was written 1064 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:08.359 and released in nineteen eighty two or three. It was only seen in private 1065 01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:11.600 screenings and in cinema techs, and then eventually opened in New York in nineteen 1066 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.439 eighty and in Paris in nineteen eighty one. He said that he would go 1067 01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:16.399 back and see this nobleman from time to time, and everas in Paris, 1068 01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:18.680 he said he never blamed me for any of the trouble of the film. 1069 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:23.039 In fact, he was actually delighted. Three lists received, three lists received, 1070 01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:26.680 and so enthusiastically. I remember one of the parties in nineteen thirty three 1071 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.279 where all the artists were invited, were told to do whatever they wanted. 1072 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:35.079 Fearing trouble, Dolly and another friend declined the invitation. So he was just 1073 01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:39.560 saying that I just love the fact that the guy made for it. Was 1074 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:43.640 like could have got excommunicating from the church and then really wasn't like, yeah, 1075 01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:46.119 it's fine, like you pissed off about that happened, Hey, it 1076 01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:53.000 happens. Documentary. I saw you mentioning that people didn't see this for forty 1077 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:57.119 fifty years that they showed on the documentary. Maybe you guys saw it, 1078 01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:00.479 but some of the people worked on it, they brought damn to see it, 1079 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:05.079 and it was so fascinating to see them watching it after a fifty years 1080 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:10.039 for the first time, because they literally cut from the movie to them just 1081 01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:15.600 watching it, which must have been like surreal in a sense. To now 1082 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.359 like they probably never thought they'd ever see it again, and how they commented 1083 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:23.680 on to them how well it still stood up. So it's an interesting documentary 1084 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:27.039 that you could find on YouTube. And I don't know it when Well actually 1085 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:30.960 ever saw the film again, because he said in the book, which for 1086 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:34.600 those who don't know, the book was basically it was written by Jean Claukerrier 1087 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:40.079 his collaborator, but he didn't take credit. He basically just interviewed Well and 1088 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:44.399 then wrote it. But it's said in there in that section unlashed or that 1089 01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.920 basically he he has memories of it, he members of making it, but 1090 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:53.039 he I haven't seen it since the premiere and so and this book came out 1091 01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:55.399 right around the time he died. So there's part of me to think of 1092 01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:59.000 me being never saw it again after it came up and then was banned. 1093 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.439 One of the things that I think it's funny when we talk about also again 1094 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:08.119 influence I'm going well is in Diary of the Chambermain which he made in sixty 1095 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.239 three sixty four. I believe that the final scene because this takes place in 1096 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.640 the twenties, right around the time in twenties and thirties right around the time 1097 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.800 Flash Door is the final scene or the fascist marching, and he's got this 1098 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:25.760 guy who's screaming Viva Ship, Viva Ship over and over again, which is 1099 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:30.840 the name of the police commander who ultimately banned Flage Door. So to me, 1100 01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:34.279 I think that's been well like having fun and giving the finger to the 1101 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:40.439 suit who censured in most of many years ago. Always there's a great film. 1102 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:44.319 Also, I just saw it and loved it. That's a film you 1103 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:48.000 got to go back again it again because it's there's so much going on. 1104 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:55.359 It's a tough watch also. But I was also thinking about beyond influence of 1105 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:59.359 you can trace back to this film. Everything that kind of comes after for 1106 01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:03.000 him is the influence of this film onto other pieces of film that we may 1107 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:08.880 know. And the first one that kind of stuck out to me is the 1108 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:15.359 fingers and the fingers sucking scene feels like John Water's toe sucking scene in Pink 1109 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:19.960 Flamingos. Oh God, yeah, I haven't seen that yet, but I 1110 01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:23.840 could now. I haven't seen that one. Oh you are in for a 1111 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:28.159 treat, my friend. He's another guy I don't know very well, but 1112 01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:31.920 it just reminds you of that same kind of something that's not typically sexual being 1113 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:38.359 sexualized in that way. The other thing that I was thinking of is that 1114 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:43.239 scene with the kitchen the fire. It's almost beat for beat, the same 1115 01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.079 as in Brazil where he goes to have lunch with his mother and that the 1116 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:51.159 boom the bomb goes off in the kitchen. Doors fly open with the big 1117 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:56.520 blast of fire, and then it's like, oh, everything's fine, we'll 1118 01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:00.880 clean that up. So to me, it almost feels exactly the same staging, 1119 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.039 like it could even be shot or shot against each other, because the 1120 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:09.439 framing really reminded me of that last of fire out the kitchen. I feel 1121 01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:15.000 like we are probably missing so much of the context of this movie from it 1122 01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:21.319 being what ninety three years old. How I talked about the whole majorcan thing 1123 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:27.720 Terry Jones, We did a whole thing Canterbury Tales, and he said, 1124 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:32.239 Canterbury Tales are fucking hilarious. The problem is most of us don't know what 1125 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.720 the hell the references are too, so it's not funny to us. They 1126 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:41.119 thought they were a spree for us being able to get as much as we 1127 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:46.279 can, and then also having the historical thing. When I think about movies 1128 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:51.079 like this when we talk about historical references or the jokes or whatever. It's 1129 01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:56.239 almost like back in the day we were talking about watching the version Vishinna and 1130 01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:59.399 the Loo on MTV. One of the things I always like, because I 1131 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:02.640 was a fucking was pop up video over on beach one. I always thought 1132 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:06.279 it was interesting put the little things in a point at various things, but 1133 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:12.359 annotated look at things. It almost feels like he would need something like that 1134 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.560 for this. The only connection between these two was to putt Well edited a 1135 01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:18.920 version of this film when he worked at almap Is. I was thinking about 1136 01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:21.720 the Triumph with Will. I own a copy of Triumph of Will, that 1137 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:29.800 is copy that was fundraising for the Holocausts in the US, and there is 1138 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:34.960 a historian commentary track, and there's also sub there's like a subtitle I think 1139 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:39.039 that can come up that will point to you as to who certain people are. 1140 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:43.960 Because if you're not that hip to understanding who all of these guys in 1141 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:46.520 the fucking Third Reich are and what the positions were and why they fucking matter, 1142 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.560 all you know is you're like, Hey, there's Hitler, and there's 1143 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.800 Curing, and there's sucking the Hibler. Yeah, like you might know, 1144 01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:59.359 like the top five, and so him going Okay, this guy is this 1145 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.319 is why he and this is when he's talking about this, he's talking about 1146 01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:09.680 this history. So there's all of these things that just an average person watching 1147 01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:15.119 it just may not yet and so maybe hope would be good. Sadly, 1148 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:17.800 like I said, I watched this on YouTube and I know that I used 1149 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.520 to have a version that I think Keno put out maybe twenty years ago on 1150 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.680 DVD, and to be honest, the YouTube version didn't look much better than 1151 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:29.800 the Keno version. Is I would love to see them take that copy. 1152 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:31.840 I'm willing to bet maybe that's almost copy or something that you saw at the 1153 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:36.640 Nitratee Festival. And to have someone really transfer this and cleaned it up. 1154 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:41.079 I know there's no money in it, because there isn't, but it would 1155 01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:45.560 be great if somebody could do a really nice version, really cleaned it up, 1156 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:50.840 beautiful scan and to have someone do that context to really give us an 1157 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.680 understanding a little bit more in it. At the same time, do you 1158 01:25:55.800 --> 01:26:00.279 think that bun Well a lot of times was very much against explaining his own 1159 01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.159 work. He hated that. He was like, don't ask me what it's 1160 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:06.039 about. You figure it out. It's the eye of the duck, the 1161 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:10.560 not to put anybody down. But the commentary track for this off of that 1162 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:15.199 keynote disc, it only runs approximately twenty six minutes, so it's not the 1163 01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:18.560 first twenty six minutes either. He just dips in and out throughout this whole 1164 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:23.720 thing, and you're just like, this movie's only sixty seven minutes long. 1165 01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:26.960 He does a good job with what he says, but it's just no, 1166 01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:30.199 I want talk the whole time. Like I feel like I would get fired 1167 01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:33.760 if I did a commentary track for an hour long movie and only handed in 1168 01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:39.279 twenty six minutes. That just doesn't work. Give me the stuff that we've 1169 01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:45.000 talked about. Give me you his future stuff, how this influenced things later. 1170 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.800 Give me more of that relationship with Dali and Gala. Give me more 1171 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:53.479 of this is Max Stearnston. This is this person and this is this person 1172 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.880 and how they all relate. We get a little bit of that story of 1173 01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:00.840 Is, but we don't really even get the whole thing of the reaction to 1174 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:03.800 it. As I was watching it again yesterday and listening to the commentary, 1175 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.239 I'm like, is he going to talk about the riots. Is he going 1176 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:11.119 to talk about the reception of this film? It never does, just kind 1177 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.000 of ends go, Okay, there's a place not only just for a film 1178 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:17.840 whole story, and but also for the story and art movements and surrealism, 1179 01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.920 because one of the things that you read about when you talk about this film 1180 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:28.119 is the shift for surrealism when from the internal to the extra, and there 1181 01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.039 was a lot of debate on that. There was a lot of splintering in 1182 01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:34.640 the late twenties and into the thirties where there was a lot of people who, 1183 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:39.279 I think this is give you a similar movement that I know a decent 1184 01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:43.079 amount about for my own research, is like punk rock, where there were 1185 01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:45.520 those who go, now, punk is your own thing, it's for you. 1186 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:49.560 Fuck the establishment, fuck the order, fuck everything cares about that. 1187 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:54.039 We're not engaging, that this is just about me and my own thing. 1188 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.479 And then there were those that go, no, it's about this, and 1189 01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:00.399 then being political, it's about this to fix that out there. So there 1190 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:06.119 were these splinterings within surrealism where there were those who were like, no, 1191 01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:12.600 we need to maintain what the purity of the surreal surrealist movement was, and 1192 01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:15.119 then there were those that say, no, we need it because we're seeing 1193 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:19.000 the rise of fascists, we're seeing authoritarianism, we're seeing all of these things, 1194 01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:25.000 and that those comments on the rich and the powerful in the church and 1195 01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:29.319 all of these things can be the way to wake people up so that we 1196 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:33.159 don't go down these horrible paths, which eventually they did, which eventually led 1197 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:38.840 to If you read My Last Sight, Well talks about the death of Lorca, 1198 01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:43.560 and Lorca it was Lrcadali and when Weld who were all in school together 1199 01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:48.319 and Lorca was killed by the fascist Spain and Francokine. So that loss for 1200 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:54.359 him was so profound. Don't think it plays into his work so much, 1201 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:58.520 but it definitely plays into his life, and that he lost this great trend 1202 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:02.239 of his who was amazing quot an artist. And there's a lot of conjecture 1203 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:05.000 as to why he was killed. Was he killed just because he was an 1204 01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:09.760 artist and a poet. Was he killed because he was gay? Was some 1205 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:13.920 combination? But two that's another aspect of when I read Glenwell's book, that 1206 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:16.479 I go for a guy who was so evolved and fuck you to the system. 1207 01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:20.039 He still couldn't accept that Laura was gay. It bothered him. So 1208 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:25.159 there was all of this and there too, so it interesting, Like I 1209 01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:28.920 say, I look at that movement and say, I don't think it kept 1210 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:33.560 it Obviously didn't keep Europe from becoming fascist takeover, but I think he definitely 1211 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:38.439 poked the air a bit and got some people to think and had an influence. 1212 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:44.239 He said something in this documentary I saw which was interesting was that he 1213 01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:48.359 didn't care that he had artistic success, Like he wanted these his worked and 1214 01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:54.119 Daly and these people to change the world, and so he saw them he 1215 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.439 saw it as a failure. He could care less that people liked the movies, 1216 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:02.760 which again is really should stay where we live in a world where people 1217 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:10.680 mostly put myself in that or care about six succeeding in their own lives. 1218 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.399 And here's a guy who had this success, but it's like he didn't kiddy, 1219 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.920 wasn't enoughs not, didn't have the value that he wanted, which was 1220 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:23.640 to change the world with these films. I was pretty impressed by, pretty 1221 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:27.600 admirable. I felt, all right, let's go ahead and take a break 1222 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.520 and we'll play preview for next week's show. In my lifetime, I have 1223 01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:40.319 recorded some sixty cases demonstrating the singular gift of my friend Sherlock Holmes. But 1224 01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:45.800 there were other adventures which, for reasons of discretion I have decided to withhold 1225 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:50.399 from the public until this much data date. They involve matters of a dedicate 1226 01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:59.159 sunt sometimes scandalous nature, as will shortly become a film. Why did you 1227 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:03.079 bring her here? I found this inner end two hundred twenty one beat Bake 1228 01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:10.840 Streets. One of you is Sherlock const whose We've never had a case like 1229 01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:13.239 this. We don't know who the woman is, we don't know what the 1230 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:18.119 problem is. Don't you find that challenging? Quine as you like to put 1231 01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:24.720 it in your chronicles, The game is a foot. There's more to this 1232 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:30.439 case than meets the eye. Has come to my attention that you are interested 1233 01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:32.840 in the whereabouts to a certain engineer. When I said drop this case, 1234 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:38.239 it's not merely a suggestion, Kiowe from Rocknation, I swear to you I 1235 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:48.439 saw it as clear as any blots are you clients? That's right. We'll 1236 01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:51.880 be back next week when they look at the private life of Sherlock Holmes, 1237 01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:58.760 which kicks off a whole month of discussions all about Sherlock Holmes's career vas seventies 1238 01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:02.159 Incarnations of the Master Sleuth till then I want to thank my co host Robin 1239 01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:05.039 Robert. So, Rob, what is the latest with you, sir? 1240 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:11.960 I'm just finishing up my third degree in three years, Masters and nonprofit administration 1241 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.079 should be done in August. After that, I don't know, but it 1242 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:20.199 is my understanding that beyond this episode you may be hearing me speak again about 1243 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:26.039 movies on the show. And I always love coming on and hanging out with 1244 01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:29.760 you. Of course, my kid whomever whoever you have as a guest co 1245 01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:31.800 host, which is great. So it's I think is the first time I've 1246 01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:34.159 done on with Robert, so it was a lot of fun. And remembert 1247 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:40.760 how about yourself. I have my YouTube channel which keeps me busy on my 1248 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:45.640 exploration of films. So if people want to check out the podcast I suppose 1249 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:50.039 or vodcast I suppose you call it if it's a video, it's www dot 1250 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:57.720 YouTube dot com slash Robert Bellissimo at the Movies and I'm also on Twitter at 1251 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:02.000 rb at the Movies, a little different and Instagram and Facebook is the same 1252 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:06.840 as the YouTube channel at Robert Bellissimo at the movies. So I do about 1253 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:14.319 six episodes a month with guests where we just do deep dive explorations similar to 1254 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:20.560 Mike and just exploring storytelling on film in general is the focus of the podcast, 1255 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:26.000 as well as interviews with people who work in film and television and theater. 1256 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.840 Yeah. So I'm also an actor and an acting teacher, and I 1257 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:34.359 teach virtually still even in the what post pandemic world, So if you're looking 1258 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:39.520 for a class, you could go to my website our Bellissimo dot CAA. 1259 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.000 So this has been a treat, This has been great. Thanks so much 1260 01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:45.479 Mike for having me on, and Mike Rob it was nice to meet you. 1261 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.960 I learned a lot and got to explore such a fantastic filmmaker. So 1262 01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:53.880 thanks for having me, Thank you, and thanks everybody for listening. You 1263 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:56.359 want to hear more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some of 1264 01:33:56.359 --> 01:34:00.279 the other shows I work on. They're all available at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. 1265 01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.640 Thanks especially to our patriarch community. If you want to join the community, 1266 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:08.520 is it Patreon dot com slash Projection Booth. Every donation we get helps the 1267 01:34:08.520 --> 01:41:30.600 Projection Booth take over the world. M M. Y