WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.120 Hey, everybody, this is Less Striding. Yes, yes, I know 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:29.760 aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Oddis. Hey, 3 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:34.039 guys, will welcome back to Sasquatch Odds. Thank you so much for clicking 4 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.359 play. We're so glad that you joined us for the show. You have 5 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:40.039 an amazing guest line up for you, but as always, I want to 6 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:43.240 start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be 7 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.000 on the show, shoot me an email and get me at Brian at parent 8 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.280 Oral Productions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, 9 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.479 become a member there and help support the show. I said, we 10 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:54.840 have a great guest but I'm not sure if you're gonna think that or not. 11 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:58.119 It's just a little bit of a different show today. I actually got 12 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.039 invited on big Foot and Beyond over with Cliff and Bobbo a couple of weeks 13 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:03.159 back, and I wanted to bring that to you guys. I know not 14 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:07.640 everybody listens to every podcast, but Cliff, Bobbo and I had a really 15 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:11.560 amazing conversation. I've become friends with Cliff and I've really enjoyed him very much. 16 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.120 After we hung out a couple of times out in Idaho, and we 17 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.680 got to do the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference together a couple of months back. 18 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:19.879 So we had a really cool conversation. We get into all kinds of different 19 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.840 things. We talk a little bit about my experiences and some of the things 20 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.359 that are going on on the property, maybe some things that you haven't heard 21 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.840 me talk about, because when people listened to Cliff and Bobbo show Bigfoot and 22 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:30.959 Beyond, they reached out to me and said, hey, man, I 23 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.319 didn't know you lived off grid for a year and a half in a cabin 24 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.359 on your property. So I tell some stories that maybe you haven't heard before. 25 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:38.840 I think you're really going to enjoy this. I know I certainly had 26 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.359 a good time with those guys. They're both amazing. Matt Pruett, the 27 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:45.760 producer over there, is a good friend of mine and just really really cool 28 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.439 people. So I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Really 29 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.359 quickly. If you haven't already done so I've said it so many times already, 30 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:53.680 make sure you find that Bigfoot podcast, the new podcast that Wayne and 31 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.799 I are doing together. It is a completely different show than this one. 32 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.920 I think you're really going to enjoy it. Make sure you've follow us wherever 33 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.319 you're listening to this podcast. Now, set up those automatic downloads. We're 34 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.199 gonna drop the first five episodes of that show coming on October thirteenth, and 35 00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:10.319 then we'll do weekly shows after that. You definitely don't want to miss anything, 36 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:15.199 and make sure you follow that show on Instagram at that big Foot Podcast, 37 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:16.280 we'd love to have you over there. But enough of that. I 38 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.680 know you guys are ready to get into that Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 39 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.599 Bobo episode, So I'm gonna stop talking. You guys, sit back, 40 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:44.840 relax, and enjoy the show. Bobo, how you doing, man? 41 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.120 How's going Cliff? I'm doing good? Number eight too, Man. I've 42 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:53.360 just muddling through work and stuff and not gonna leaves town this coming weekend for 43 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:58.360 a week for my first non Bigfoot related vacation and I don't know the year 44 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.280 and a half, two years maybe more, long long time looking forward to 45 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:06.280 that. Gonna go catch some fish, hopefully in Mexico. There's a good 46 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:08.960 bite downersn't there. Yeah, Hurricane kind of mess things up there just for 47 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.520 a couple of days and then it's funny. I'm going to LAPAs in that 48 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.759 general area, and the hurricane didn't do as much as the rain that came 49 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.319 a week later did. Apparently there's flooding and all sorts of stuff, but 50 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.599 it should be all cleared up by the time I get there. I guess 51 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.800 the dorado bites off the hook. They're starting to catch some other species as 52 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.719 well that they've been seeing, marlin and sale fish, so we'll see, 53 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.719 we'll see what happens. Of course, by the time this gets published, 54 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.520 I will have already come back, so maybe I'll have a couple of fish 55 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.120 pictures to put on the Patreon for people to enjoy. We're gonna cooler, 56 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.840 oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, bring it cooler down, and we're got 57 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.039 me go go pongo fish and practice in my Spanish and doing all that sort 58 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:46.960 of stuff. I'm looking forward to it. It's been too long, but 59 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.879 ass are fine. Oh they're a lot of fun. They're a lot of 60 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.360 fun. I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, Dorado's people don't know. 61 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.599 On the East Coast, they're called dolphinfish, and in Hawaii they're called 62 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:02.360 in the high all the same species though, all the same species. Yeah, 63 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.240 so that should be a good bite down there. I should read like 64 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.479 the fishing report. When I was a little kid there and they caught like 65 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:15.159 sixteen barracouta fourteen dolphins, I would be all upset, I thought. When 66 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.519 I was young, I was working in a fishing tackle store called Fisherman's Hardware 67 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.879 and Long Beach, California, and some guy came in and he just got 68 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.360 off one of those long range trips, like the sixteen day trips out of 69 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.399 San Diego. They get on a boat and come back sixteen days later. 70 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.600 They go target big, really big tuna, like two three hundred pound tuna, 71 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.000 stuff like that. Then way down south Ofcabo in that general area. 72 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:36.839 So this guy comes in and he was saying, yeah, it was a 73 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.600 good bite, but the dolphin were a problem. And I knew he wasn't 74 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.040 talking about dolphin fish, He wasn't talking about Toronto. He was talking about 75 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.560 corposes. He says he had. The dolphin became a big problem because tuna 76 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.560 and dolphins school together and like sasquatches and coyote in a way. But he 77 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:53.439 said, yeah, we cold we kept hooking dolphin, And I went, 78 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.639 oh god, that's terrible, he said, and their dolphin are large animals. 79 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.839 Of course you have to reel them in and an unoak him and let 80 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.319 them go. But this guy says, yeah, they pull really hard and 81 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.560 it takes a long time, and you're not catching too while you got to 82 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.439 deal with this dolphin that's on the line. It's terrible. I wish there's 83 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.399 a way to avoid that sort of bycatch, but there really isn't. I'm 84 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.639 those sort of trips, but it's not super common. Dolphins are actually a 85 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.639 little bit too smart in general to do that. Yeah, one one gets 86 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.040 on every once in a while. But this guy says, yeah, like 87 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.199 I caught one or whatever. They said, Yeah, gosh, they must 88 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.199 pull really hard, and it sucks you got to spend so much time and 89 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.600 hurting a mammal and all this sort of stuff. He goes, yeah, 90 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.000 they don't taste it either, And what said you ate one of these? 91 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:34.959 And looking back at the time, I was like twenty or something. It's 92 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:39.000 kind of gullible and young and stuff, so I was thinking, really what 93 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.319 Then looking back, he's probably just be asking some kid, and I go, 94 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.199 my god, I imagine they don't taste good, probably fatty and mammalion, 95 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:47.879 Like what do they taste like it? He goes, I like seal 96 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:53.600 and who am I talking to? Man? Who the heck is this guy 97 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:58.079 waiting shell? They're surprised I like to do it all. They're like, 98 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:00.720 usually way people hate this stuff. And I'm like, like that didn't you 99 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.759 eat up in Alaska with money Maker or something? Yeah, we're invited to 100 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:10.439 a ceremony or something, an indigenous ceremony or some gathering or something. But 101 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.040 then I had a bunch of other stuff too when I wasn't with my bike 102 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:17.720 on to the Eskimo Olympics. That was awesome. What kind of thing is 103 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:23.120 it? I thought it was Inuit they called They called the people that, 104 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:29.199 Yeah, they call him so yes, Esca, it's the escol Olympics. 105 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.000 What kind of what kind of competitions are there to? They're awesome. There's 106 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.079 this one like where I think it was two or three at least two guys 107 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.360 are do it was three He has to hold I think he has one guy 108 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.439 at each arm and he has to walk around and I think one on his 109 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.839 back and he has to they measure. It's in a gymnasium. I think 110 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.680 it was at University of Fairbanks and they would walk around this big gymnasium and 111 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.120 they measure like how far who could walk? The photos scring those guys. 112 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.399 And there's another one where they are on their fingertips and their toe and the 113 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.959 tips of their toes almost like a push up position. They have to high 114 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.399 up like a see how far they can go. It was all things that 115 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.920 were done because they had to be good athletes. Two things they're going across 116 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.199 broken ice flows and stuff like that. They had to be able to jump 117 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:14.160 and landed on angles and just be real, real like gymnastic kind of stuff. 118 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.160 And they do this other thing where they hang like a it's like a 119 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:20.399 leather ball. They hang in the air and then they and they run up 120 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.000 underneath it and they jump up and scissor kick and kick it and see you 121 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.560 can you can kick it the highest and guys are getting up to the guys 122 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:30.319 were kicking what would be like almost like a basketball rim height. It was 123 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.720 amazing. And then what else they o. The women had a seal skinning 124 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.240 contest. They'd bring it. They run out of these dead seals and then 125 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.199 they have their knives and they see you can skin the seal the fastest. 126 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:43.959 It was one of the events, and then other than there's a the blanket 127 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.079 tossed. Everyone gets in the corner of a huge blanket and they fling the 128 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.920 the girls up in the air and they do like tricks in the air. 129 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.680 To me, that sounds a lot equally, if not more entertaining than the 130 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:59.000 regular Olympics. Everybody else it was it was awesome. That's cool man. 131 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.759 Hats off to them, did you the people of the Alaska? And that's 132 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.759 cool stuff. And I'd love to had whale steel and waros. Oh my 133 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:07.079 god, do you know what kind of whale or what kind of steal? 134 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.399 God? I remember the seals are like the small Look they're not harbor steals, 135 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.360 but they're they're small like a harbor steal, like that style. Okay, 136 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.040 the whale was I think it was a right whale. I think that 137 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.480 was what it was, or might have been a small whale, but I 138 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.600 think it was a small whale. I don't think it was a blue gul 139 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.560 but it was a pilot whale or something. I don't know. I think 140 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.559 it was a smaller whale. Just curious. I am interested interested in rain 141 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:35.840 biology of all sorts. Of course, I'd like to hear the sort of 142 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.080 details. Yeah, big news this week, Bopes. I'm sure you picked 143 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.360 it up. I found out about it the day before it was announced that 144 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:45.720 I was pretty stoked about it. The vander White mine, the Ape Canyon 145 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:50.720 mine. Yeah, he discovered. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, unbelievable, 146 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.000 right, dude. I was like, he's I was like, I was 147 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.200 like, wait, what has he sent me some pictures? But the guy 148 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.559 was setting him. I was just like, because you always food like it 149 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:07.039 was gated and dynamited and it was closed up for good, like you can't 150 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.720 find it. And then to see the actual hole, I was just like, 151 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.279 God, I want to get up there so bad. Oh. Yeah, 152 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.320 I'm actually because even though I failed to go there this past July, 153 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:18.440 I got I got about two thirds of the way down to the Cabins site, 154 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.440 and I said, man, this is too sketchy for an old man. 155 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.080 If i'd been there, i'd been there in twenty fourteen, I think 156 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.240 the year was had been down to the actual Cabins site. I touched the 157 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.440 actual foundation beams with my hands. I dug up a whole different side just 158 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.080 with my hands, you know, like just a couple inches under the surface. 159 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.960 Three of the foundation beams had been discovered when I was there, I 160 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.480 guess say they looked around and cabin's getting eaten up by everything right now, 161 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.799 He just it's back under. It's a few inches of soil, so it's 162 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.600 either protected or hidden again, depending on your perspective. But yeah, when 163 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:50.600 we were there, we were just doing the best. Back in twenty fourteen, 164 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.159 we're trying to figure out where the mine entrance might be in Mark man, 165 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.480 I'll tell you, Mark Marcel is a gnarly He's a guy who doesn't 166 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.039 belong into this century. These already pioneer vote. He just tied himself to 167 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.840 a tree and dangled his butt off the edge. Then like overhanging the overhanging 168 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.720 this small chasm right underneath the cabin site. Because the best information we had 169 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.320 was that's where the mine entrance was. But apparently not. Apparently not. 170 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.200 Mark said that he was within seventy five feet of the mine entrance if we 171 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.960 would have gone down to the left. And again I don't I saw the 172 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.720 pictures that Mark published and he said to be those same pictures and maybe four. 173 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.759 I don't know the context. I've been to the site. I know 174 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.960 how gnarly it is. It is off the hook, dangerous, scary, 175 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.159 just precarious the whole area. So when I saw that mine interests I go, 176 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.360 oh, my gosh, how would you get down to that? And 177 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.320 the second picture, where the dude is standing at the entrance of the mine, 178 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.639 you can see ropes. The first picture you couldn't see ropes, but 179 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.000 the second picture I saw ropes. A man, that would be a gnarly 180 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.320 climb, especially knowing what's probably right below it, one hundred foot drop to 181 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.759 the bottom of certain death essentially, But then again, I don't know the 182 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.039 text. Maybe it's easier to get down too than I'm imagining, but having 183 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.279 been there, I can't imagine it being easy at all, just at all. 184 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.320 And how cool is it that the great grandsons of the youngest miner who 185 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:16.039 was at the incident in nineteen twenty four are the people who rediscovered the mine. 186 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.519 That's incredible, that's that is that's amazing. Yeah, that is just 187 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.120 fantastic. That is so cool and just almost serendipitous in a way. But 188 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.559 just how cool is that? Those guys must just be on the moon over 189 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.399 the moon. Oh yeah, that's a that's an accomplishment they got. They're 190 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.399 carrying on the family legacy. They're stoked. Yeah, And of course I 191 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.480 asked, Mark, can you get in there? And from what I hear 192 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:45.279 and the picture terrified this too is that the small rocks in the area filled 193 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.799 it in for a large to a large degree. But so I don't know, 194 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:50.919 I don't know if one can how far one can get in there. 195 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.960 I do know that somebody, one of the relatives, I think it was 196 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.159 Beck's grandkid. What is his name, road, I think his name is 197 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:01.919 He was at the mine site, he said, in the nineteen seventies, 198 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.559 so before the eruption happened on May eighteenth, nineteen eighty. So he was 199 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.919 there to say there maybe three or four years or five years before the eruption, 200 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.519 and he went into the mine and supposedly the mining equipment was still in 201 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.080 there. The guys just bailed and left all their mining and gear there the 202 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.600 next morning. Yeah, they well was the reporter. They were there, 203 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.200 the reporter and the cobs. Yeah, and that's it. And apparently they 204 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.519 just left all their stuff in there, which could have been a small loss 205 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.840 monetarily speaking for them, which kind of I think lends a lot of credence 206 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.480 to their claim oh yeah, because they were poor. Yeah, yeah, 207 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.159 so anyway, Yeah, that's I think that's the big news of the week, 208 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.879 if not month, if not year. I think that's just fantastic. 209 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.519 I'm considering Mark goes up there again. I'll even consider I'm able, I'll 210 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.000 give it a second shot. But we'll see what will happen, because we're 211 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.559 running out of time here because winter is it will be upon us shortly, 212 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.759 because it's an early fall here in the Pacific Northwest. Last year this time 213 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.879 it was like ninety five degree and today we'll be lucky to hit sixty. 214 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.240 So yeah, it seems like it's still warm. It's super warm here, 215 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.519 but it does seem like falls already, poison oaks already turn their colors, 216 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.679 and yeah, it just seems it's weird, like for us where we're regionally 217 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.960 it's above average war, but it feels the falls here earlier. Oh yeah, 218 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.919 I guaranteed follows here early. It's a beautiful, crisp, blue sky 219 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.000 day though, but you go outside and you'll get there's just that little edge 220 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.080 to the air that like fall is upon us, which is cool. The 221 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.080 older I get, the less I like those real hot days. So I'm 222 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.200 ready for it. Well you got first. Today, Cliff, we have 223 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.919 a great guest for us today. I don't listen to any podcasts, not 224 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.960 even ours, especially ours, because I've already said it, why do I 225 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.679 need to listen? But I don't pay attention to podcasts or podcast stirs. 226 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.080 But I've done a couple of gigs this year, and this dude was out 227 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.240 there and I never really interacted with him because my life is so full of 228 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.960 people already, I'm not seeking more. But it turns out that I crossed 229 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.159 paths with this guy at my most recent gig, which is what we did 230 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.960 out in Idaho. Idaho's Squatch Con I think it was called Doctor Meldrum was 231 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.120 there and which started out to be a pretty great gig. Thirty one hundred 232 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.639 people came, according to the organizers, a lot of good people. Doctor 233 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.320 Meldrum was on the job. And then Michael Freema is on the job. 234 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.000 And this gentleman who is our guest today, Brian king Sharp is his name. 235 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.799 He does another podcast, which is why I didn't know who he was, 236 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.639 But apparently he does a lot of different podcasts, and I say, 237 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:20.879 well, you know what, that would be interesting. Take a meta podcast 238 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.840 on our part if we had another podcast on and we can just talk about 239 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.440 the business of podcasting, but also more than that, because Brian showed me 240 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:35.039 some really good photographs of footprints he's been finding on and near his property. 241 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.240 Brian and I went out a couple of times and had a couple of beers 242 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.759 hung out at the events, and generally it turns out I really like him. 243 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:43.519 Brian's a rad guy. I consider him a friend now, and so 244 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.360 I thought, hey, this is a great opportunity to have him on the 245 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.080 podcast. So Brian my new friend. Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff 246 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.559 and Bobo. Thanks guys, I really appreciate you having me on the show. 247 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.919 Hey Brian, Hey, you got a pretty distinctive voice. Hey Bob, 248 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:01.639 what's up man? Yeah? What's your podcast today? It is Sasquatch 249 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.120 Odyssey. Yeah, let's see there you go. I don't listen to any 250 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.039 podcasts. I told you that Brian when I met just so I don't. 251 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.000 I don't know anything, but I apparently been on your podcasts, which is 252 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.240 funny, and I still haven't heard of it. How long have you been 253 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.799 doing it? I started the first episode of Sasquatch Odyssey back in February of 254 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.120 two and twenty one, a couple of years. I've been doing it as 255 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.679 a full time gig since last March. But that's not the only podcast you 256 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:26.559 do. Is that you have a handful of these things that you do in 257 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.360 various topics that are of interest to you. Sasquatch Odyssey was the first show. 258 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.440 It was the main interest in Sasquatch. Obviously, some of the experiences 259 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.759 I had as a kid led me down that path, but it balloomed into 260 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.039 this studio really with several podcasts. One of the things that happened was, 261 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.960 like, you guys, you do a Bigfoot and beyond because sometimes people have 262 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.279 those stories that are beyond the Bigfoot things that was happening to me as I 263 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:58.600 was interviewing folks. I created an entirely new podcast called Paranormal Odyssey to talk 264 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.480 about the dog man stuff, of the UFO stuff, the weird, high 265 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.399 strangeness things that people were talking about. Because Bigfoot podcast consumers can be a 266 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.639 little bit of a purist, and some people don't want to hear about UFOs 267 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.039 and other things. They just want to stick to Sasquatch. So I've created 268 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:18.399 that show. I've since passed that on to another podcaster who works in our 269 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.080 network, and he hosts that show for me. But I was also a 270 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:25.000 police officer for sixteen years and I was really into true crime stuff, so 271 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.559 I went on and started a true crime podcast. Those were the first three 272 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.159 full time podcast and then Doug Hichek reached out to me when he started his 273 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.639 Untold Radio network and wanted me to do a show over there, So I 274 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.120 do a Weird Encounters show over there. Four full time podcasts, three of 275 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.279 which that I host currently. There's never a dull moment for sure. So 276 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:49.440 what would be the differentiators between the Paranormal Odyssey podcasts and the Weird Encounters podcast. 277 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.679 The Weird Encounters podcast is a little bit more about stories. The Paranormal 278 00:16:55.720 --> 00:17:00.120 Odyssey is based on real encounters. Basically, it's ended show. The Weird 279 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.799 Encounter show that Doug and I brainstorm together was more about me sharing stories, 280 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.480 just reading the stories for people who enjoy that kind of thing. So it's 281 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:15.359 a way less heavy on the interviews and more about me just doing narration. 282 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.400 Now where do you get the stories? They're submitted by people who experienced them. 283 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.839 I actually worked with a lady over in the UK who has a huge 284 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:29.440 repository of some amazing stories that she has documented over the years, and she 285 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.440 split those into a database, and I had her on the show a couple 286 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.079 of years ago. She had had an encounter with what she believes to be 287 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.799 a sasquatch over in the UK, strangely enough, and she just allowed me 288 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.200 carte Blanche to use those stories and read them on the show. And then 289 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:48.720 of course we get others that are submitted via email from people that experienced them. 290 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.279 God, Ema should be big, going out of your mind with being 291 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:55.000 busy, because I know one podcast is a lot on my plate with everything 292 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.799 else I have going. But I guess you're doing this full time as well, 293 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.039 so that probably helps a bit of Yeah, I was working fifty I 294 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.759 was a week as a retail manager, managing fifty people and trying to do 295 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.640 the podcast, the first podcast, which was Sasquatch Odyssey in the beginning, 296 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.799 and it was too tough. Man. I enjoyed the podcast so much. 297 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.319 It was my favorite thing that had ever done. I'd always been a performer. 298 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:15.880 I sang when I was a kid. I was always in a band, 299 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.319 and I was always into that sort of performing thing. And to have 300 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.680 some sort of creative outlet, and I started the show just because I wanted 301 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:29.039 to talk about encounters specifically in the South eastern United States. I was born 302 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.680 and raised in North Georgia, near where Matt grew up. I think Matt's 303 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.799 from Northeast Georgia, but I was born and raised there, and I grew 304 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:41.359 up with stories of bigfoot, jensing hunters being ran off the mountain by wooly 305 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:45.519 men and wild men and Harryman, so I was always very interested in that 306 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.599 stuff. I was in law enforcement for sixteen years, like I said, 307 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.279 and you don't talk about bigfoot at work, at least I didn't as a 308 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:53.160 cop, right. People already look at you like you've got two heads when 309 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:56.200 you're a cop anyway, And I certainly didn't go to work and talk about 310 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.960 Bigfoot in UFOs and some of the things I'd experienced them all. But after 311 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.359 I left that in twenty sixteen, I was able to really dive into that. 312 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.640 We bought forty acres of property here in North Carolina with the hopes of 313 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.759 there may be something going on here. I wanted some rural property that I 314 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.599 could get out into the woods and maybe do some research, But the show 315 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.480 was born out of just wanting to talk to people. That's what I did, 316 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.400 just started reaching out to people and got the first couple of people on 317 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.799 from North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee, and it just snowballed into I've talked 318 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:33.039 to people literally in Ireland and London and other parts of the UK that have 319 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.480 claimed to have experiences with something they can't explain. But yeah, it's a 320 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.839 full time job and it definitely keeps me busy. You mentioned that all these 321 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.319 podcasts the seat of it was some sort of a experience you had when you 322 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.079 were young. What was that? We had a couple of weird experiences. 323 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:49.680 When I was a kid, we lived in what I believed to be a 324 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.079 haunted house. There was some it was a beyond thing right. There was 325 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.640 a couple of guys that had lived there before us that were into some sort 326 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.319 of Satanic rituals and things like that, So we had really weird things going 327 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:06.000 on inside the house. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otosee. We'll be right 328 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:11.960 back after these messages. When I was twelve, I was always out in 329 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.680 the woods. We were really poor, We had nothing. Basically, we 330 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.160 did have a television, and we did have the old antenna that you had 331 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.480 to go outside in the rain and turn the huge antenna to get the three 332 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.200 channels that you could get. But I spent most of my time out in 333 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:27.160 the woods. That was my rest. But from all the things that were 334 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.920 going on in my house at the time, I would always go out. 335 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.359 I fancied myself a little bit of a hunter, so I would go out 336 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.720 and try to squirrel hunt, bird hunt whatever. And at twelve, I 337 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.480 went out in the woods one day during the summer. I think it was 338 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.200 the summer before I turned thirteen. My birthdays in December, so I would 339 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.599 have been twelve, and I went out into the woods that I'd been out 340 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.880 in so many times. We rented this small little house from the landlord, 341 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.480 and there was big fields and nothing but just pine, thickets and woods everywhere. 342 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.839 I loved it. I was in heaven and I was out in these 343 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.119 woods one day, and I've been out there tons of times. I wasn't 344 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.279 afraid of anything as a kid, I was out doing my thing in the 345 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:08.519 middle of the day. I just got that feeling. You've talked to enough 346 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.160 people that shared their big foot encounters and some of them mentioned that feeling the 347 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.680 hair on the back of your neck stands up, the hair on your arms 348 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.559 stands up. That's exactly what happened to me. And the first thing I 349 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.200 remember thinking is I'm not supposed to be here. I've got to get out 350 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.440 of here. And the next thing that happened was I heard grub some growls, 351 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:32.720 I heard some huffs, and something very large was moving just out of 352 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.240 my vision, maybe ten to fifteen feet away in the woodline, and I 353 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:40.160 just froze. It got louder, it sounded like it was getting pissed off. 354 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:45.079 What I'd recognize now was probably a bluff charge stopped maybe ten feet away, 355 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.680 just on the other side of the thicket, so I couldn't see in 356 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.599 to see what it was, and I was gone. I was out. 357 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.400 Fight or flight kicked in. It was no longer time to stand there. 358 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:59.480 I've said it before, I felt like it at the time it was going 359 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.160 on. I felt like my legs were just sunk into the ground and I 360 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:06.480 couldn't move. And once that thing got close enough, I really the fear 361 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.599 kicked in. I just turned tail and I ran probably six or seven hundred 362 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:12.920 yards back to the house, jumped over the fence and landed in my yard, 363 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:15.359 and I was like, Okay, I'm safe. But I didn't go 364 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.759 to I didn't go back in the woods for probably six or eight months after 365 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.200 that. I still, even when I'm thinking about it now, I could 366 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.960 get that feeling of being back there. But whatever it was terrified me. 367 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.680 I still don't know what it was. I didn't see it. I've always 368 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.440 equated it to a possible sasquatch encounter because of what I've heard from so many 369 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.200 people I've interviewed on the show over the last couple of years. But again, 370 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.079 I can't say I've had people. I even had one guy that had 371 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:42.599 me as a guest on the show and say, maybe it was something demonic 372 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.920 that was happening in your house that followed you into the woods. Okay, 373 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:51.519 could be I don't know. Yeah, that experience really lit the fire that 374 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:53.680 was already there. I was already interested in Kryptids. I was interested in 375 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:59.400 the Lockness Monster. I thought was my escape into out of the reality of 376 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.880 being a poor kid that was having parental issues and divorce in the house, 377 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.279 and all kinds of things that was going on in my life at that time. 378 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.160 Plus I was twelve years old. I don't know that was the experience, 379 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.160 and I don't know what it is. I still don't to this day. 380 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.400 I can't say definitively what it was. But now, knowing the things 381 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.279 that I know and the research that I've done, I think it might have 382 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.079 been an encounter with a sasquatch. It's funny help people help. Whatever background 383 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.799 you come from, like totally, it gives you filter trow you viewed things 384 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.759 like someone from like mom talentfi. Oh, it was a grizzly bear. 385 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:34.400 Someone from Georgia would be like in a religious house. It's demonic colors your 386 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.079 perception of things quite a bit, how you interpret things out there. That's 387 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.119 a very good point. I just interviewed a lady Bobo that I had on 388 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:45.240 the show last year. I actually met her at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference 389 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:51.720 year before last, and she was having issues with sasquatch on her property to 390 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:56.599 the point where her and her husband moved. Last year. She just reached 391 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.759 out to me again. They moved into another state. She claims to be 392 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.480 having these issues again, and what she was describing to me sounded more like 393 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:11.039 she may be living in a haunted house versus having Sasquatch activities. So again 394 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.920 I'm not a demonologist. I don't even play one on television. But that 395 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.920 was the thing that you know through that lens I was telling her during the 396 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.079 interview. It sounds like you may be experiencing something outside of Bigfoot. But 397 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.279 you're right that lens I grew up in the church anytime that anything like that 398 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.079 happened to people in and around that area, because I would hear stories. 399 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.759 My great grandmother, my great grandfather was telling me stories about these Gensing hunters 400 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.400 that were being ran off the mountain and sometimes they called them devils or mountain 401 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.279 devils or whatever. So it was this that sort of lens that in a 402 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.359 southern Baptist area that I lived in is how people saw that. But in 403 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.839 retrospect, knowing what I know now, I believe it was possibly a big 404 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.960 Foot. I don't know. Yeah, thought for a long time that you 405 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.200 know, settlers and were not running across Sasquatches or whether they saw them or 406 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.759 not, they'd be very frightened of whatever. It is, just like you 407 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.240 were as young as young boy there and of course they'd come back and say 408 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.240 this thing, I saw this saying red eyes or yelled at me, or 409 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.039 I felt crazy, it felt weird, and or it was an eight foot 410 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.519 hairy thing that the local folks would say, Oh, that's the devil, 411 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:17.400 that's a demon, and the automatically go to the superstition, the superstitious explanations, 412 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.559 rather than some sort of animal, which these things are. Anyway, 413 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.720 that doesn't surprise me at all that that it's like what you were saying. 414 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.000 It's like that lady may not have sasquatches, maybe something else going on. 415 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.000 It goes the other way too, that's a two way street. That's what 416 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.279 made me think of that. Yeah, so you mentioned that your house was 417 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.440 haunted. This is Bigfoot and beyond. And despite what people think of me, 418 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.680 I am interested in ghost stories. I don't don't I'm not going to 419 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.960 research that stuff, and my life is full of Bigfoot. But what was 420 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.160 going on in your house at the time, it was really strange things. 421 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.279 I've talked about this on the other shows before, and I'm almost leary to 422 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.599 say it, but I was hearing voices in the house. That's kind of 423 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:57.880 started hearing voices and hearing this scratching and voices. Could you recognize him? 424 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.720 No? It was very I don't know how to describe it other than demonic 425 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.839 sounding, was like that whisper. You can hear the whisper, but you 426 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.240 can't ever make out what it's saying to you. And I was hearing scratching 427 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.119 on the walls and banging inside the walls. And we had very thin walls. 428 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.759 Like where my bedroom was. The back window faced out to the woods, 429 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.039 and there was nothing out there on the other side. There wasn't like 430 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.279 another room that this could be happening. But I was starting to hear those 431 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.480 things. A couple of times I woke up to a dark figure standing over 432 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.559 my bed. And I've done a lot of research on this. I'm one 433 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:34.480 of those Okham's Razor kind of guys. No nonsense, it's show me the 434 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.960 evidence. My cop brain kicks in and I say, could it have been 435 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.319 night terrors? Sure, it certainly could have been in retrospect, but it 436 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:47.599 didn't feel like it. And I still have this moment where I'm pretty sure 437 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.119 that what I was seeing was real because I was awake. I would wake 438 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.240 up see this thing, it would move off, and then I would end 439 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:57.319 up grabbing some covers and going into my parents' bedroom and sleeping on their floor. 440 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.559 This went on for a month. They would wake up and find me 441 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.079 at the foot of their bed sleeping in the room because I wouldn't sleep in 442 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.200 my room. And like I said, there was a lot of things going 443 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.119 on that was if you're into that sort of thing and you do any cursory 444 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:14.160 research, they say prepubescent boys, which I was twelve thirteen, There was 445 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.400 a lot of turmoil going on in the house. My parents were going through 446 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.200 issues. My dad was dealing with drugs and alcohol abuse, and there was 447 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:25.720 just this whole, just tumultuous thing going on. And I don't know. 448 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.680 They say that kind of energy may thrive on that stuff. I don't know, 449 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.759 but my dad also I figured out later. Again, now keep in 450 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:36.240 mind, this guy liked alcohol and he was on downers most of the time, 451 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.920 so I take this with a grain of salt, But he was also 452 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.559 He confided in my mom later on that he would be there sometimes by himself 453 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.000 when she would be gone, I'd be at school, whatever, and he 454 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.359 was having interactions with something where he would hear voices and things like that. 455 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.640 So I wasn't the only one that was experiencing this kind of stuff and we 456 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.680 had the history of the people that lived in the house that was well known 457 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.559 in a very small town. Our town was like this, literally a caution 458 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.480 light that was it. Caution light in a couple of stop signs, and 459 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.400 that was it. So everybody knew everybody's business. And these guys were pretty 460 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.880 well known as as far as dabbling in that kind of stuff. And they 461 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.519 lived in the house for a couple of years before we got there, So 462 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.440 I don't know, but that was this weird stuff going on, and then 463 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.039 once we moved out of the house after a couple of years, it stopped. 464 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.759 It didn't follow me. So I don't know, wild Wild, I 465 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:27.200 guess we could all be thankful that most of us could be thankful that's not 466 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.119 happening to us. Yeah, it's not a good thing, that's for sure. 467 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.880 Well, I gotta ask, you said you were having bands and stuff 468 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:34.799 like that. What kind of music do you like? I know it's a 469 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.759 side thing, but I gotta know, I love all kinds of music, 470 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.079 but I love country music. I was born and raised on country music. 471 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.640 I sang country music. Still do like the good stuff, the classic stuff, 472 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.559 or the new stuff. I don't really get into the I don't get 473 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.279 it. Made a bunch of enemies by the way out there, but I 474 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.640 did it up purpose. I'm probably going to join you in that because I 475 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.920 don't get into a lot of the new country stuff. I love the overproduced 476 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:02.000 it's horrible. Yeah, I'm definitely like Johnny Cash old school. I did 477 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:03.720 listen to Garth Brooks at Garth Brooks. I was a huge fan of Garth 478 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.480 when he came out. Alan Jackson just the old school country is Charlie Daniel's 479 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.160 band with some of my favorite stuff growing up. Hank Williams Junior, Hank 480 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:18.440 Williams senior, Joe Jeff Walker. Yes, I was doing that at sixteen 481 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.720 and almost signed a record deal when I was sixteen. Life happens. Like 482 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:22.440 I said, we were poor, so I had to go to work. 483 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.680 It's always about work and helping my mom. What's my dad and my mom 484 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.480 divorced. I was at work most of the time, so music fell by 485 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.039 the wayside, and I've only gotten back into it in my adult life. 486 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.160 I got to go to Tennessee about six or eight years ago, and I 487 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.039 did a small album, look a little EP album and had some really good 488 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:42.880 times up there. But I don't get to do music as much as I 489 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.440 would love to, because I'm constantly podcasting at this point. But feel you 490 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.359 on that one. Well, I think I told you this when we're hanging 491 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:52.880 out in Idaho, but I don't. I haven't said the story on the 492 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.960 air. Charlie Parker, who was an obvious Even if you don't know who 493 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.039 he is, you probably heard his name. He's genius of jazz saxophone basically 494 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.119 bird Now, yeah, exactly, the Charlie Bird Parker. Everybody wanted to 495 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.720 play like him and whatever. He was one of those guys like change music 496 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:14.359 fundamentally forever. Most modern music has can tip their hat to Charlie Parker in 497 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.400 some sort of way or another, especially like metal and all that sort of 498 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.640 thing. The metal is just a different version of bebop as far as I 499 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.559 can tell. That's a simpler version of bebop with more distortion. But now, 500 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.599 my duke, Charlie Parker was playing in the nineteen forties and stuff where 501 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.559 the segregation was in full swing, Like black people in general just not get 502 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.960 their recognition. They weren't allowed to play. There's a bad situation for people 503 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.039 of color during that time. Is terrible. So after gigs, they the 504 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.599 musicians would maybe go to a bar and go drinking or something like that after 505 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.440 jamming in some small club all night. And I'm Charlie Parker would often be 506 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.799 seen by his fellow black musicians with his head down on the jukebox, plug 507 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.480 in the jukebox and playing country music and like his fellow musicians, we're saying, 508 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.279 what in the world are you doing listening to that music, like the 509 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.079 white music and stuff like what he and Charlie park will be crying with his 510 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.759 head down on the jukebox, and his fellow black jazz musicians, we're going 511 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.920 like, what in the world. And Charlie was like, what's going on? 512 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.200 And he would just go listen, man, listen to the stories. 513 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:22.160 Man, listen to the stories. So Charlie Parker love that classic old early 514 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.640 country music that they were playing in the nineteen forties because of the story. 515 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:26.599 And of course, music is music at the end of the day. You 516 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.279 can all you can add as many extensions on the chords as you want, 517 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.200 make it fancy, but it's still the same kind of stuff. But that's 518 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.519 one of my favorite stories about crossover as far as what is palatable to various 519 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.799 people. And the allure of kinds of music. And I will say that 520 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.000 that early country music in particular about somebody shooting your dogs, sealing your wife, 521 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.440 and wrecking your truck, those stories are fantastic and it's one of the 522 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.440 big draws to me for that kind of music in general, but and apparently 523 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:53.799 to Charlie Parker as well. Yeah, it's an awesome story, man, 524 00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.680 And there's so many people that are influenced I think by that earlier country that 525 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.359 we're losing that with a new generation that's coming up, the Conway Twitties and 526 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.960 the Merle Haggards and George Jones that are leaving way too early year. There's 527 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.640 just not any of that, in my opinion, coming up in the ranks 528 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.160 in these days. So I'm not trying to this barefoot, puka shell beach 529 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.200 country whatever. Yeah, I'm right there withy Bobs there. We were on 530 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.880 the air, and we were on that radio in Nashville. We were doing 531 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.200 that talking to witnesses on the Nashville Ada and I was talking tons of smack 532 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.640 about new country, how lame it was, and I said, I think 533 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:34.400 Georgie, what was that the Georgia state line or Florida state line or whatever. 534 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.039 Georgia, Florida, Georgia. Those guys lady Annabella, and I'm like, 535 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.720 I can't stand that stuff. And yeah, they said they got a 536 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.000 couple of calls, and I'll screw that guy. I remember the operators and 537 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.319 they got some calls like that. I remember one of your first comments about 538 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.240 you meeting Derek Randalls. So I don't know about this guy with the big 539 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.039 truck listening in the modern country, but it turns out he's okay. Yeah, 540 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.880 there's always exceptions. Anyway, let's get back to the big foot things. 541 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:06.440 So you bought this forty acres of property and hopes that sasquatches maybe around 542 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.400 there, and it turns out they are. You showed me some very impressive 543 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.599 sasquatch footprints. As far as I can tell, tell us about the activity 544 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.960 that's been on or near your property that you're aware of. Yeah, the 545 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.440 weirdest thing is when we came up here for we came up from a one 546 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.279 from Georgia for a one day land sale. We weren't even expecting to buy 547 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.319 anything. We've just seen the property online and had some They did some drone 548 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.319 shots that made it look all pretty and great. And fabulous. We came 549 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.799 up and we fell in love with the property that we initially bought that day. 550 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.000 We bought the first twenty acres on the first day. We didn't get 551 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.880 up here for a couple of years. After that. We'd make trips back 552 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.920 and forth, and we had an old Volkswagon bus that we would camp in 553 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.440 and just enjoy the property. And then the property next to us came open 554 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.759 and we bought another twenty acres. We finally got up here. I guess 555 00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.119 it was around twenty nineteen. Maybe we're fancying ourselves that we were going to 556 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.400 build our own house, or at least convert our own house. So we 557 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.960 found a local place here that it's basically a ship. It's forty feet long 558 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.159 and about fourteen feet wide with a big sleeping loft in it, and we 559 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.199 were going to live off grid and convert this into our house. We did 560 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.639 live off grid here for about a year and a half with nothing but solar, 561 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.679 no running water. It was one of the best years of my life. 562 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.840 I loved it, but I'm not a carpenter. We didn't have the 563 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:30.360 skills to do that. So we eventually found a place here locally that would 564 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.880 build us a tiny house. So we had a four hundred square foot tiny 565 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:37.079 house built, and we eventually got up here full time just a couple of 566 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.079 years ago. During the trips that we would take, we would go out 567 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:43.440 and do night hikes and we would spend a couple of days on the property. 568 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.639 We were never here for an extended amount of time, and even the 569 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.360 year that we lived off grid, I heard some weird things in the woods, 570 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.079 but it wasn't anything that really stood out to me as possible Bigfoot activity. 571 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.960 That didn't start literally until about two years ago, and the first time 572 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.519 that had happened, we had a high right off of our deck and we 573 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.280 were out. It's like midnight, it's like a cool fall evening, fifty 574 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.360 degrees. We're in the hot tub having a glass of wine, and I 575 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:14.280 hear what sounds like the Ohio howl on the ridge behind us. Now we're 576 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.440 surrounded by nothing but land. There's no neighbors within a half a mile of 577 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.280 us, and behind us is another two hundred and fifty to three hundred acres 578 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.880 of just woods is over the ridge behind where our property stops, and that's 579 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.400 where the sound was coming from. And I'm like that is really strange. 580 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.119 Did you know what THEA was at the time. I did. I'd heard 581 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.920 it. I'd heard it because i'd started the show at this point and I'd 582 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.000 done some research and i'd heard that on the internet whatever. I'd looked it 583 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.840 up and heard some of the sounds I'd had Ron Moore hit on. We'd 584 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.920 talked about the Sierra sounds, and i'd had some folks here from the Yure 585 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.880 National Forest nearby who had recorded. Julie Ranch had recorded a bunch of things 586 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:58.199 and nothing really sounded like that, but it did sound closer than anything i'd 587 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.400 heard, and it was really are off there right. It was probably a 588 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.960 mile and a half away. So that happened a couple of times, and 589 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.199 I just chalked it up to that's weird. It could have been a Maybe 590 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.880 it was a coyote, maybe as a wolf. I don't know, but 591 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.599 I had done in episode of the show. I'd had an interview one night. 592 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.400 It was pretty late and we're up in the loft getting ready winding down 593 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.960 and writing down some show notes whatever. It's about fifty degrees outside, so 594 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.519 we slept with the windows open, and I opened up all the windows around 595 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.079 the bed and just chilling, probably fifty yards into the woods next to the 596 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.960 house. I hear what sounds like the ohio o howe with a bark on 597 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.239 the end, like this little or at the end, and it scared the 598 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.880 shit out of me. I'm not gonna lie, like it really scared me. 599 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:45.119 And I felt it. I mean it was so loud we felt it. 600 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.800 It had to be forty fifty yards away. Like did you hear that? 601 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.199 Yeah? I heard that. What do you think that was? I 602 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:53.880 don't know, what do you think? So we're going through this and again 603 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.440 a mancam's razor right, I'm like, it's probably I don't know. I 604 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.440 didn't know what it was. So that was really the closest thing that happened. 605 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.760 And then we didn't have any activity for a while. I was talking 606 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.400 to Doug. I'd called Doug high check some and I'd tell him about some 607 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.639 of the things that were going on. And he's like, you heard wood 608 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.719 knocks? No, do you have water on your property? Yes, there's 609 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.519 two creeks that runs the entire length of the property. We start going down 610 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.880 and he sounds like you may have some activity and I'm like, yeah, 611 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:24.559 I don't know. I haven't seen anything so fast forward. Just like literally 612 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.639 a month ago. I had taken some time off from the show and we 613 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.920 went on a hike, went to a different area of the property that we'd 614 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.400 never hiked before. And I wasn't even going to take my phone. I 615 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.440 was literally just doing nothing big foot. It was just get out in the 616 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.599 woods. Clear my mind. It was just Danny and I getting out into 617 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.679 the woods, getting away. The last minute, I picked my phone up 618 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:46.920 and I stuck it in my pocket. I'm like, if I've fallen break 619 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.599 a leg or something and we get some service, we might need a phone. 620 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.480 We really started finding some weird stuff. I was finding what looked like 621 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:59.199 structures, just weird things that we're sticking out to me. And I get 622 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.000 to this certain point where this little dry creek bed had a little bit of 623 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.760 water in it, still standing, and I went to cross over it and 624 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.119 I looked down and I see what looks like this footprint, And it immediately 625 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.400 jumped out to me like, oh, it's paradolia, right, It's just 626 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.239 it looks like a footprint the way the water is glistening or whatever. So 627 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.880 I stopped. I'm gonna'll be a cool picture. I'm gonna take my phone 628 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.360 out and take a picture of it, and I did, and as I 629 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.840 got down to take the picture, I got closer and I saw what looked 630 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.880 like five toes, and then I looked closer and it looked like the toes 631 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.679 had sunk in a little further in the front than what looked like the back 632 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.719 of the foot. So I snapped a couple of more pictures, and then 633 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.000 he was like, let's move on, let's go. I just moved on 634 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.320 from it, and then we went on and found I took a bunch of 635 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.119 pictures that day of full crumb type structures and things that were just stuck out 636 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.880 to me in the woods, and I really didn't think much about the footprint 637 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.440 until I got back and I sent it to a couple of people. I 638 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.079 sent it. I texted it to Doug high Check and he looked at it 639 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.400 and he said, dude, that looks like a footprint. And then it 640 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.599 started raining because we'd had rained up before that, so it rained for three 641 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.400 more days. I couldn't get back to it to cast it. I knew 642 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.639 it was gone, but at least I had the couple of pictures I had 643 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.599 taken of it. And then just I don't know. Maybe two days after 644 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.719 that, I'd never heard a tree knock on the property or anything that you'd 645 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.800 resembled a tree knock. And I got up at three in the morning to 646 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.320 go out on the porch and do what guys do who live in the woods. 647 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.199 At three in the morning, I hear what sounds like four power knocks 648 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:29.000 back up on top of the ridge behind the house. Three in the morning. 649 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.880 In Lenore, North Carolina, there's nobody up doing construction. They roll 650 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.760 up the sidewalks in downtown, so I don't know what it could have been. 651 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.840 It sounded to me like, like I said, what people describe as 652 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.639 power knocks, and then I don't know. We fast forward to about a 653 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.079 week and a half after that. I'm walking the dogs around our regular trail 654 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:51.280 around the property, a trail that we had walked just the night before after 655 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.760 their evening feeding. There looked like smack dab in the middle of this muddy 656 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:02.679 spot was a footprint, just one the proverbial one footprint. Stay tuned for 657 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.000 more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back. After these messages, 658 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.920 I casted it, and the cast turned out pretty well. I was actually 659 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.000 going to try to bring it to Idaho for you to look at Cliff and 660 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.199 Meldrum to take a look at when we were out there. But I put 661 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.199 it out on my porch to dry. I don't know. Two days into 662 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:28.039 the drying process, it's in a box sitting outside on the porch. One 663 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.039 of our chickens flies up on the porch and knocks the box over and cracks 664 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.880 it in three places. So it's been a comedy of errors. But I 665 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.079 did put it back together because I'm going to try to make a sort of 666 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.719 a reproduction of it with a mother mold. But it's definitely got five toes 667 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.960 and it's about fourteen inches long and about seven and a half inches wide at 668 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:51.000 its widest points. So I don't know. And just literally on Monday, 669 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.239 I had some neighbors that are about a half a mile away invited us over 670 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.280 for a hike because they were in town for the holiday. So we go 671 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.400 over and we've never hiked their property for they have. I think it's ten 672 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.039 acres that goes up to the back of the ridge on the other side of 673 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:10.079 our road. I find some of the strangest structures and weird bent trees and 674 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:16.079 a big teepee structure. I posted it on my sasquatch Odosee Instagram for folks 675 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.679 to take a look at if you want to look at that. I've never 676 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.480 seen anything like it. It's clearly not a natural occurrence. Something has put 677 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.599 those things in that. It looked like a teepee around this big tree. 678 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.880 So I don't know, just weird stuff. And I found a turtle shell 679 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.840 or something I did. Actually, yeah, I'm glad you said that I 680 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.559 skipped over that, but that was one of the first things that happened. 681 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.239 Is along that path where we walk the dogs. That's the first thing that 682 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:47.639 happened. Was this bleached white turtle shell is upside down and stuck into the 683 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.960 side of this old rotting cedar log. It's a cedar stump. It started 684 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.599 the whole ball rolling with me trying to gift, which I've never really given 685 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.800 too much credit. Honestly, I don't know about the whole gifting thing, 686 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.039 but I had some things, take a couple of jars, a sun butter 687 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.639 off. The stump. Never had anything left there, but things have been 688 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.360 taken. But we have some really big raccoons here, so it was more 689 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.599 than likely a raccoon but yeah, that was the first thing that happened. 690 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.760 And then the footprints that I was back up on the ridge casting yesterday. 691 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.440 The cast didn't turn out too great. It wasn't very The substrate here is 692 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.119 really hard. It hasn't rained in probably a week and a half, so 693 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.760 just for there to be an imprint of what looks like a huge toe and 694 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.440 one of the prints and this was a series of two that I found going 695 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.320 down the side of this ridge and casting on an incline was not easy to 696 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.440 do yesterday, but I did get a couple of casts of those. Like 697 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.679 I said, it's about a half a mile away from my property, so 698 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.440 I don't know. Some interesting things. Man, I never say definitively it 699 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.119 is what it is, but I don't know, it's weird stuff. It 700 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.199 seems like this is a good time to interject that idea that I brought up 701 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:58.599 a few times on the podcast, and it's just something to remind ourselves as 702 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:04.159 big foot aficionados, is that casts very often don't turn out. That's why 703 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:09.039 I'm really emphasizing everybody not only documents their fines or possible footprint fines with cast, 704 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.079 but also with photographs. Over the years, I find that sometimes they 705 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.000 photograph far better than they turn out in the cast, and then vice versa. 706 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.159 Sometimes you can't see what's going on in the photograph or even with your 707 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.320 eyes at the time. Something's there. You pour plaster and it comes to 708 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.440 light in a way the data. It's almost like the data is skewed by 709 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.480 all these wonderful photographs and casts that other people have obtained over the years, 710 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.000 the Patterson stuff or the Tipmus stuff, or the Freeman stuff, or the 711 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.800 Shay stuff. Like all these researchers who have been out and casting the best 712 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.639 prints they could find, makes us think that our footprint casts should also look 713 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.400 like that, but they simply don't. If you're out there doing your diligent 714 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:52.719 work as a researcher and casting examples of every track way you find and choosing 715 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.119 the best ones out of that or the worst ones out of that, whicheveryone 716 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:59.360 might show the most information and insight into the way that these things walk around. 717 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:01.239 You're going to have a lot of ugly casts in your collection, casts 718 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.039 that, as I say, only a mother can love. For you, 719 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.719 Brian, anybody else listening, is it. Don't beat yourself up about not 720 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.440 having a good looking cast, because most casts aren't going to look good if 721 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.800 they're real. That's something we need to remember. The photographs in the books 722 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:20.880 and what we see online and things like that, they skew our perception of 723 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.119 what the footprint cast will eventually look like. So good on you for collecting 724 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:29.119 the ugly ones too. I appreciate it that because I've got four the ugliest 725 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:30.920 cast that I think I've ever seen in my life that I've taken, but 726 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.880 they're staying in my collection. They are I say it all the time on 727 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.679 my show. Everything is data, So I want to create as much data 728 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.960 as I possibly can because we may look back on it in a year or 729 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.679 two or five and say, wow, I'm glad I did that. So 730 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.760 I'm going to continue to collect whatever I find. Oh yeah, the information 731 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.199 from the nineteen sixties and Bluff Creek, some of that information has been looked 732 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.239 at very closely in the last twenty years, and things have been learned about 733 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.719 those casts, for example, or the Freeman stuff. A lot of those 734 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.880 up that Freeman was collecting. He didn't recognize that he was casting the same 735 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.480 individuals, and neither did West Summerlin or Grover Crans for that matter. Grover 736 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.760 actually had suspicions about some of it. But they they gave different names to 737 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.880 different creatures, and some of those names, like Earl, for example, 738 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.599 is a name that they gave to one of these creatures that they continually cast, 739 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.519 that is wrinklefoot, And they gave that an animal a different name, 740 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.559 So wrinklefoot is Earl at which who is the what do they called the buckskin 741 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.320 individual? That's what West Summerlin called them. Yeah, so all these animals 742 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.199 who they thought were different creatures were actually the same individual being seen again and 743 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.599 again over time. So that's the great thing about data. It doesn't go 744 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.519 away once you collect it. Once you have it, it's there forever, 745 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:43.039 and it could be analyzed with new eyes as new information comes to light. 746 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.960 You're absolutely right in that perspective. So a lot of stuff's been going on 747 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.440 your property or near your property. Have you gotten to other parts of the 748 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.800 country and done any research, and if so, what have you found interesting 749 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:59.320 and or similar or different than the various parts of the country. I haven't 750 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:00.719 gotten to go out in the woods. I did go out in the woods 751 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.280 in Tennessee last year. I went up to speak at a gathering up there, 752 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.559 last year and we got out in the woods that night, didn't really 753 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:12.280 find anything, heard some really cool coyote howls and things like that. But 754 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.159 I'm actually I have the opportunity. I'm going up in October. I'm going 755 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:21.800 up to BC and the Radium area to do research with Todd standing and the 756 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.280 beginning of October. I'm excited about that trip. I've been looking forward to 757 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.119 that for a while. I know he's a very controversial figure in the big 758 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.559 Foot community, but I'm looking forward to that trip because i want to get 759 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.800 up there's I've interviewed tons of people who have been on expeditions with Todd, 760 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.880 and some of the things that they're claiming to find is phenomenal. And I've 761 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.280 actually had Todd on the show and talked about that as well. But I've 762 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.199 always had issues. I've been very forthcoming about my issues with his videos. 763 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.639 But the footprints and the other things that have been found up there, and 764 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.719 I even got to talk to doctor Meldroun when we were in Idaho about his 765 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.360 time up there and some of the things that he saw convinced him that it's 766 00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.679 very possible there's some activity going on. So I'm definitely looking forward to that 767 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.239 trip in October. Oh, he's not a great spot. There's definitely squatches 768 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.480 there. Yeah. Ken Walker I think told Bendernoggle about if it's the same 769 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.280 spot, ken Walker, who we've had on this show the taxit was to 770 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.840 say, yeah, I have to heard about this spot from one of his 771 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:17.440 trappers, and then he told Bendernoggle, and Bendernoggle told test Standing when Standing 772 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.800 approached him, this is how I've heard it happened. I don't know if 773 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.519 that's true or not about the spot. So they're working a good spot. 774 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.599 It's just we had Todd Standing on the show on the Finny big Foot. 775 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.159 I don't think his films are real. It's just my opinion, of course, 776 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:30.960 But he was a very nice guy. I'll give him that. I'd 777 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.840 like the guy the individual. I just didn't think, like those face shots 778 00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:37.440 are real or anything like that, But who knows. If he's working a 779 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.079 spot and getting good results, fine with me. I'd like to see some 780 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.480 of the footprint cast so those would be most convincing. Yeah, I'm definitely 781 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.599 going to try to take some casting material. I've got some audio stuff i'm 782 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.800 gonna take for the trip, and I'm gonna try to get some videos and 783 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.280 do some interviews while I'm there with I think it's just going to be me 784 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.039 and Todd and maybe Kyle that go out, So there's only going to be 785 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.559 a small number of us. There's not gonna be a whole lot going on 786 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.079 other than what we're doing. So I'm definitely looking forward to it. So 787 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.760 you've had him on the show a couple of times or once at least, 788 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.440 right, Yes, Yeah, generally nice guy, right or he certainly puts 789 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.400 forth a good face. I'll say that he sings of the songs, he 790 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.920 seems to know something about sasquatch behavior or in general. What has he been 791 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.199 doing lately? I haven't heard anything since like he put out, But that 792 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.320 thing with Meldrum and Benner Noggle is so he's running trips now, is that 793 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.519 right? Yeah, he's been doing that for a while, and he's working 794 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.480 on a second documentary. I know they've been filming for that for quite a 795 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.719 while. I don't know when that's supposed to come out. I know he's 796 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.679 been putting that together, at least that's what he told me for quite some 797 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.719 time. And he is doing during the summer. He's doing quite a few 798 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:43.280 expeditions pretty much a couple of month. I think that he has a ton 799 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.519 of people going out with him. Again, I'm with you. I had 800 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.519 him on the show. Very nice guy. I just don't believe the videos 801 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.199 are real. And the only reason he came on my show, because I've 802 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.039 called him out as a hoax or for years, was me having less strout 803 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.559 on the show. Once I had Survivor man on him, we actually talked 804 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.000 about Todd because he had spent time I'm with Todd in his research area. 805 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.639 Then Todd decided he would come on the show, and to his credit, 806 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.920 he defended himself and he answered the questions that I had. I had some 807 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.079 tough questions about it. I think the thing for me with his films has 808 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.679 always been what happened before that, what happened after that, what happened leading 809 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.880 up to that. I'm certainly wanting to have that conversation with him face to 810 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.360 face. He may tell me to go pound Sam, but I'm definitely going 811 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:23.800 to ask the questions to want to get up there because I would love for 812 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.360 them to be real. I'm just not sure that they are. But I've 813 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.760 never doubted that he's had experiences and that he's in an area. I too, 814 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.400 have had Ken walk around the show, and Ken had talked about that 815 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.000 area and all the sightings that have happened in that area. So I believe 816 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.480 just like you and Bobo said, I think he's in a great area. 817 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:44.400 I think he's probably having and maybe even continues to have experiences. I'm just 818 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:49.159 not sure about the videos that he purports to be Sasquatch. Yeah he did. 819 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:51.559 When I met him, I'm fighting Bigfoot. He invited me to go 820 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.599 to a spot with him, but he also told me that in order to 821 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.039 get there, I'd have to crawl through ice cold water wearing a gilly suit 822 00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.719 for three days in order to get there, which seemed like a really nice 823 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.960 way to make sure I wouldn't do it. But yeah, that's just my 824 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.079 take on it. Maybe he's right. Maybe that's what you have to do, 825 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:07.880 and that's why I happened I had better results, But I don't know, 826 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:09.920 I don't know. I also asked them, why does it look like 827 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.400 a muppet, and he says, I don't know. I guess that's what 828 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.880 they look like as I don't know about it. Whatever, whatever, I 829 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.519 I hope you gets some good stuff. It would be nice to see some 830 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.719 good evidence come out of any of these areas, certainly, and God knows, 831 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.400 we get asked about todd Sanding all the time. If you want to 832 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.920 know what we think about Todd Sanding, you can watch the Finding Bigfoot episode 833 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.719 that he's on. Brian, you have, God, you have more podcasts 834 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.320 than I would wish upon anybody. You must have heard some crazy stories, 835 00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.800 especially the true crime podcast and Weird Encounters. That kind of says it all, 836 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:43.119 That says everything you need to know about the podcast. You must have 837 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.440 had some ridiculous stories. Can you stick around for a member section so we 838 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.400 can hear some of these ridiculous and when I say ridiculous like wild out there 839 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.920 sort of stories not only about SaaS watches, but anything else that you've been 840 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:59.960 running across, whether it's paranormal strange activity or true crime stuff or whatever. 841 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:01.639 Do you have some stories that come to mind that we can talk about in 842 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:05.800 our remember section? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, There's tons that come to 843 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.840 mind that I've documented over the years. There's one you guys mentioned Bigfoot and 844 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:16.079 Coyotes earlier. One of my favorite early episodes is entitled Bigfoot Hunts with Coyotes 845 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.039 one of my favorite stories ever. I'll be glad to share that one with 846 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.159 you guys. Okay, yeah, if you don't wouldn't mind sticking around for 847 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.960 a member section. It'd really appreciate it, and we'll record that next. 848 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.400 But in the meantime, Brian, where can people find you? This is 849 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:32.559 your time to shout your podcast from the mountaintop and websites or in social media 850 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.559 or whatever you want. You can get Sasquatch Odyssey anywhere you're listening to this 851 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.559 podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, you name it, it's there. All 852 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.559 you got to do is punch in Sasquatch Odyssey it'll pop up. You can 853 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.079 head over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com. You can see all 854 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:51.239 the shows there. Check out all the hosts of the various shows. I'm 855 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:52.280 not the only one on the network, Like I said, we out of 856 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.920 a couple of other podcasts that people host that are a part of our network. 857 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.559 So Paranormal War Productions dot com and all the socials as Sasquatch Odyssey on 858 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:07.639 Instagram, as Sasquatch Odyssey podcast on TikTok. We have a Sasquatch Odyssey podcast 859 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.239 YouTube channel as well that I post stuff over. So that's about it. 860 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:14.880 Anywhere you get podcasts, you could listen to the show. We put out 861 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.639 a show. I'm doing three shows a week now typically, so tons of 862 00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.519 things. I think we're about three hundred and forty or so episodes into the 863 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:22.679 show, okay, And a lot of those links are going to be in 864 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.079 our show notes below for those people listening venus click on that stuff. Matt 865 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.920 Prut makes it easy for you with that. Brian, thanks so much for 866 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.880 coming on big Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo, and we'll stand the 867 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.480 line. Of course, we're gonna go over to our member section and record 868 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.079 that for our fabulous Patreon members. We really appreciate your time. Brian, 869 00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:43.800 Thank you, you had a blast. I appreciate you. They say you 870 00:52:44.039 --> 00:53:22.280 don't gotta go home your castay us trying to try that chime everything. Call 871 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:29.800 it right back right back to my joy for me, your stay right down, 872 00:53:30.800 --> 00:54:31.280 call it right away. Days about bout talking about talking about the games 873 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:45.679 and uses us usses