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different than last night's show. Did a show on caffeine, and ironically,
I think I talked about caffeine so much last night. I was having like
heart palpitations before I went to sleep last night. I haven't had those issues
since my ablations, so I think it. Honestly, I think it got
into like my subconscious and I like the essence of caffeine. I had these
like heart falputations. It could have been that, or it could have been
I was really frustrated last night because I was playing I haven't played games like
video games for a very long time, but I got out Fallout four and
I was playing Fallout four and then I switched over to Fallout seventy six and
I'm playing that and I totally forgot that I had played it before, and
I was on level thirty. I think because I was pretty far in the
game and I started playing it again and I realized, like why I didn't
like it the first time. I love the game itself because I used to
live If you never played fall Out seventy six or maybe you never even heard
of it. Fallout to a series. There's different locations. It's basically the
end of the world, this big war, nuclear war between Russia and China
and the US and the which is actually interesting for a lot of reasons with
current events, it feels like. But the game itself, the seventy six
version, is in West Virginia, and I went to high school in West
Virginia. A lot of my family's from West Virginia. Technically, my high
school is actually in the video game. It's not like a replica, but
there's like a high school in Morgantown, West Virginia. There's the airport.
So for me, it's really cool because it's a lot it would be like
if they did a game in Saint Pete, Florida, Tampa and Florida.
It would be like right there where I grew up. So I spent a
lot of time in West Virginia, and I'm part of the reason I wanted
to play the game again. And I realized how I don't really like this
game because it's so much different than the other Fallout game. So I was
getting kind of anxious with it and frustrated and I think I'm just going to
go back to fall Out four, honestly, But I'm looking through this game
and I forgot that. I knew that there was a moth Man in the
game because West Virginia has this incredible cryptid history. West Virginia has a lot
of there's a lot of things about West Virginia. It's like almost like a
flyover state. But a lot of people joke about West Virginia. West Virginians,
you know, we don't have teeth. You know, we have dirt
floors, stuff like that. It's like, have you I don't understand.
West Virginia is like Morgantown's like a booming city. There's definitely teeth. I
mean, there might be some dirt floors. There's probably a lot of there's
a lot of dirt floors in Florida. I just think those kinds of things
are funny about West Virginia. But that's what most people know. It's West
Virginia. It's West of Virginia. And I guess that's really about it.
Maybe if you're like a history buff, you know about Harper's Ferry, maybe
you know a little bit about the history of like the Civil War and like
that. But like West Virginia is just not people don't really know a lot
about it. The weird thing is a lot of people know about the cryptid
monsters though, like the Mothman or they know about well, you know about
Bigfoot. West Virginia has its own big Foot, and there's a bunch of
other cryptid creatures. One of my favorite, if not my favorite, I
mean, Mothman's great, but I think my favorite cryptid creature or monster or
alien or mass hallucination or whatever you want to call it is a monster called
the Braxton County Monster, otherwise known as the flat Woods Monster or the Phantom
of flat Woods. It may also go by the name Green Monster. And
I actually went down to that county and went to the little museum they had,
and then also took a trip to Point Pleasant Mothman home. What was
about three and a half four years ago. I did that, and it's
really fascinating because everything knows Mothman, there's this other monster not too far away
that's just as bizarre, just as terrifying, just as mysterious as Mothman.
And then if go up north of Point Pleasant in Braxton, and you go
just west of Morgantown. Like right around the corner from Morgantown, it's merely
like a fifteen minute drive, is a place called Grafton, and there's a
famous cryptid monster there too, called the grafted Monster. Now this monster is
a little bit more muscular, but when you look at artists' depictions, and
I actually have one here in my studio, the Grafton Monster kind of looks
like Mothman without wings and without red glowing eyes. The eyes are black.
I mean, I've even thought, oh, that's really interesting. They kind
of look the same. It's almost like a like ones a male, one's
a female. And it's it's like a two and a half hour it's not
too too far from Grafton to Point Pleasant. So you got these monsters there.
And I was playing fall Out seventy six and all these monsters are in
the game. There's a Mothman quest. I haven't done this yet, but
you run into the Flatwood's Monster sometimes kind of when you're randomly going through the
woods. There's also the Wind to Go, otherwise known as the Watiko.
The Wind to Go is a one of the many names for a Native American
spirit that sort of feeds on energy and feeds on people. Then there's also
the snally Gaster, which didn't actually start in West Virginia. The original siding
is of this snally Gaster. It's called it's a weird name, snally Gaster.
It's actually like a it's like a flying there's different versions of it.
It's like a flying reptile something like that. There's been different reports of it.
It was first reported in Maryland back in the early nineteen hundreds. It's
kind of like a bird, a serpent, and a bunch of other things
mixed together. Big wings, a long beak, big claws, a tail.
They so that they say it tails like twenty feet longs as a big,
big creature. There's a lot of urban legends about it that even the
Smithsonian. The Smithsonian offered a reward to anybody who could find evidence of it.
I'm sure that was some publicity thing or some urban legend, but no,
West Virginia has all these incredible stories. And even if you know about
Mothman, honestly, like I don't know if people make the connection like Mothman,
West Virginia, Braxton Monster, West Virginia, Grafton Monster, West Virginia,
Snelly guest or West Virginia Bigfoot. West Virginia, like West Virginia,
is a hub of not just cryptid creatures, like you know, big birds
in Bigfoot. Everybody sees big birds in Bigfoot, but like Mothman or originally
Batman, or different names for this creature, the Braxton Monster, which is
seen as for some people it's like a robot. Some people kind of think
it's like a serpent in a mechanical suit. There's all kinds of different ideas,
all kinds of different stories, all kinds of different theories. But all
that's in West Virginia. And if you go and you talk, I mean,
I don't know who who you talk to if you win, but you
talk to some people. This is what I've been told some people in West
Virginia, and including people that i've you know, I've known for a very
long time, like people I went to high school with, et cetera.
They believe that West Virginia, that particular area of the country, not the
state, that particular area of the country is a place where Native peoples have
always believed it was haunted, like it was a dimensional gateway or a series
of dimensional gateways where things come across and reportedly even a lot of Native peoples
refused to settle in that general Again, it's not the state line, but
the general area of West Virginia. It's a really fascinating history. And I
don't know too many other people who know about the Braxton Monster, especially the
Braxton Monster, so found someone who does know about it, and a friend
of ours who've had on the show many times, Ryder Lee, raised by
giants and writers, actually from West Virginia, so he's lived there as well.
And we're going to talk with Ryan tonight about the Braxton Monster and about
all these other cryptids and what it might mean and what these things might be.
Right. Welcome to the Secret Teachings. How's it going, Ryan,
Thanks so much for having me on. It was an amazing introduction. And
it is really strange how people when they think of West Virginia as kind of
like what you talked about, you know, dirt floors, hillbillies, rednecks,
and stuff like that, which there is kind of a part of that
in the backwoods of West Virginia. If you go far enough back in there,
you kind of run across those types of people. But for the most
part, it's just a normal kind of state. And yeah, I am
from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, the home of the moth Man, and
it was really interesting growing up there because it's a very small town and five
thousand people, and a lot of people like to quaint Point Pleasant to using
the whole Mothman's story to inflate the city and well, it's not really a
city as a town and bring tourism in there. But what they don't realize
is that wasn't a thing until the early two thousands. People didn't talk about
the Mothman. Like the people that lived in the town. After the Silver
Bridge collapsed on I believe it was December fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven, no
one talked about it and they were afraid to talk about it because there's also
connections to the men in black in the area going in and scaring people.
You also have injured coal around that exact same time frame, which is known
as the Smiling Man, and the people that lived in Point Pleasant did not
want to talk about it. It really did not become popular until the Mothman
Prophecies movie that came out in two thousand and two with Richard Greer, and
it kind of became a sensation again after that movie, and then after that
the Mothman statue became a thing and the Mothman Festival, but that wasn't until
I believe the first Mothman Festival wasn't until like two thousand and eight. So
it's a pretty new thing that Point Pleasant has kind of been known for.
It's kind of exactly like the Roswell event. A lot of these other events
don't get popularized in mainstream media until years and years and years after the initial
event. Yeah, I mean, the original sightings were back in the sixties,
right late sixties for Mothman. And this is West Virginia in the late
sixties. It's a town that just like a lot of towns in West Virginia
today, they might not be opposed outsiders, but they're not trying to encourage
people to come there. So in the sixties in West Virginia, a town's
not wanting a bunch of people to flock there. They liked their peace and
tranquility, I would assume. Yeah. And the Silver Bridge collapse, which
is the second largest bridge collapse in United States history, killing forty six people
and two of them were never found. And this was like right before Christmas,
the town was completely devastated because the Silver Bridge connected West Virginia directly into
Ohio. And after that, no more sightings of the Mothman. No one
talked about the Mothman because it was a very traumatic event. In such a
small town. Everyone knew somebody that had passed away or died on the Silver
Bridge, you know. So it was a very traumatic event. And I've
put together some dots on that, and I have a different theory of what
happened, and I think it's a pretty spot on theory that I've never heard
anyone ever talk about before. I don't think they've ever put the dots together,
because again, it's a traumatic event, and whenever you talk about traumatic
events, people are really kind of sketchy when you talk about these kinds of
events in the fashion of my theory, but another thing was, I think
it was my third cousin be my grandma's second cousin, so it would be
my third cousin, I believe, or something like that. And not to
adapt on family history, but somewhere running there twice removed cousin, third cousin
four thousand, somewhere around in there. I would always hang out at my
grandma's house, and she was one of the very first people to ever see
the mothmam And every time that I would go to my grandma's house growing up
and she would be there, I would ask her to tell me the story
of her seeing the Mothman, and she would tell it to me, and
the story goes from and this is her telling me personally. This isn't what
the media turned this event into or because originally it was called the Birdman,
and then the Birdman got turned into the Mothman, and then there was a
batman too, but because of the comics, they didn't want to say that,
right. Yeah, And her experience was she was out in the TNT
area, which the TNT Area was a Air Force base. Is still there.
You can still go there. There are these underground bunkers that were used
for the store ammunition and fuel and stuff like that. You can still go
there and go inside them. There's a whole string of them that are open
that you can go inside and check out. Really interesting. But the entire
area was a Air Force base during World War Two and her mom lived out
there and it was kind of late at night and she had a newborn baby
in her arms, and she was walking to her car and she went to
open the car door. The car door went and open. She looks to
her left and she sees a creature standing there. She described it as a
owl. She said it looked more like an owl, but it was standing
ten feet ten foot tall, ten foot tall owl. And she described it
as an owl because its neck kind of went down into its body. She
said there wasn't any red eyes. She said that that was a whole fabrication,
the whole red eyes thing from the Mothman. Now this is just her
testimony, This is just her telling me this as a kid, right,
And she said that she was paralyzed, that she couldn't move, and then
she fell on top of her newborn baby that was in her arms, and
she thought that she was suffocating her baby and killing it because she couldn't move
while she was on top of her baby. She just fell right over and
then she heard what sounded like wings, like wing takeoff, and she said
that it was really loud and it just flew away. Then when it flew
away, she was then able to move. And then she checked out her
newborn baby or newborn baby was fine. It was still breathing, and that
was my first introduction to the moth man, telling me this story. Your
grandma explained this to you. How many years ago was this? This wasn't
my grandma, This was her explaining it to me at my grandma's house,
because where I would see, it's like a third cousin, uh, in
the immediate family. I said, They've lived right down the road from my
grandma's house, and my mom would draw me off at my grandma's house in
order for my grandma to babysit me. And sometime her name was Marcella Bennett.
Okay, So so that story sounds to I know that story. You
even't share that with me yet. So that story sounds like what we hear
in a lot of UFO abductions or alien abductions. People call them plant memories
of owls. We saw that in that movie The Fourth Kind. And then
of course the sleep paralysis, like you know, you're unable to move,
But in this case, you know, somebody's awake going to their car,
but they're hit with the same kind of paralysis, and there's that potentiality for
there to be some sort of maybe called a screen memory or something to that
effect. But the owl and the paralysis are very very common in UFO abductions,
as you know, So there's there's definitely a correlation between cryptid creatures and
UFOs. Same thing with fairies and fairy lore. Fair would shoot you with
this object and it would paralyze you. There's something happening here across cultures and
across time, and it's affecting so many people. I mean, you're from
Point Pleasant and you've had a family member tell you this in the past.
It's really interesting stuff like this is what does that make you think? Do
you think there's a correlation or relationship to the UFOs, to fairies and things
like that. Well, people in the area. The gentleman that runs the
Moth Made Museum, Jeff Walmsley in Point Pleasant, and his superintendent that is
there on a daily basis is mostly into UFOs. And sometimes when I would
talk to him, you know, I want to because I was really into
the paranormal back you know, fifteen years ago, and I would go in
and try and talk to him about the paranormal, and he just wasn't interested.
He was more interested in UFO sightings, and that time I wasn't really
into UFOs. So there's definitely a connection in between what Marcella was telling me
when I was growing up. She told me the exact same story every single
time, and I would ask her every single time that I was here,
and she was more than willing to tell me, and it was your exact
same way. This had to have been in early two thousands, probably around
two thousand and three, two thousand and four in that area. I believe
that she died in two thousand and eight. But she would tell me the
exact same story every time, and I know for a fact she believed it,
and she her story never changed. And they did throw some things onto
her, like like she was in a few documentaries on Fox talking about it,
and they kind of threw in the whole red eye thing because that's the
you know, the trademark of the Mothman is has glowing red eyes. That's
right, Yeah, And they kind of threw that in on her whenever she
never said that it had red eyes. I talked to a guy one time
from the Discovery Channel and I had him on the show twice actually, and
he did a show with us about the YETI and he goes to the Discovery
Channel takes him. He goes to some of the areas where people have seen
the yetti, but he's actually investigating in this documentary. This came out like
ten years ago. He's actually investigating the case of the diatlov Pas incident,
which I know you're familiar with. Yes, So the Discovery Channel takes him
to this area and they're doing their little TV show investigation, which is you
know nothing. But he he was a world traveler. He thought that there
was something peculiar about that story. So when I had him on the show
to talk about it, he's said, no, the Discovery Channel added all
that stuff. They made a fake noise so they could record it, and
then they made some They took it on the computer and they did something to
it to distort it even more to make it sound like a yetti call.
And he said they took pictures of something in the woods. He said it
was just a member of the staff that dressed in a big thick coat and
went and stood by a tree, and then they took a grainy picture of
it for the TV documentary. So he said, I believe something very bizarre
happened, but when we went there was no sign of anything. It was
all totally made up and fabricated. I think that's obviously the same case with
the Mothman, the Red Eyes, and a lot of the stories we hear
about Mothman. Something absolutely happened and maybe even continues to happen. I'm not
sure, but most of it's kind of fabricated. That's exactly right, and
the scenario is no different with the Flatwoods Monster as well. The media took
that story and turned it into something that wasn't happening. The original family the
sceneid said the the monster was leaning against the tree. The media turned it
into that it was floating and levitating. It's really interesting the way the media
works with these kinds of events, and the Dyaut Love Pass incident is very
interesting, but I think that the more interesting one is the Corvenia incident in
nineteen ninety three, where six hikers were also on a Russian mountain and one
by one they all dropped to the ground and started foaming at the mouth,
bleeding out of their ears, bleeding out of their eyes, and died.
There was only one survivor of that event, and that is the only way
that we know anything about what happened. That's a truly bizarre case. Unlike
the Dat Love Pass incident, which lends credence to a bunch of speculation of
what happened, we have a legitimate eyewitness to the Corvinia event in ninety three
and details on exactly what happened. Both of those events and the Mothman story.
I've always thought that there's some relationship maybe too, and it doesn't have
to be artificial. It could also be something natural. But I've always thought
that maybe there was a connection to frequencies, especially when I read the Mothman
story. You hear about radios and TVs malfunctioning, people hallucinating whether they see
something or not. I mean, you see something hallucinating or you've really seen
it. It gets into a little bit of the philosophy of how we perceive
reality. But I want to talk with you about those theories, maybe your
theory as well, writer, when we come back from break and then we'll
talk more about the Flatwoods Monster. How does that sound sounds great? Let
Stuart all right? Ryder Lee from Raised by Giants is with us tonight.
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Lee is our guest tonight from Raised by Giants. You can find him online
search Raised by Giants YouTube Rider Lee Tonight. We are discussing, especially because
writer is from Point Pleasant, West Virginia. I lived in Morgantown, West
Virginia for five years of my life. Most of my family's from West Virginia.
I actually heard stories when I was a kid my grandma told me,
and I had no idea what she was talking about. This was before I
really got interested in what I'm interested in today, but she told me,
or I remember hearing my grandma tell other people and talk about the Silver Bridge
collapse December fifteenth of nineteen sixty seven, and she said she and many other
people she had kind of like premonition, like dreams of that happening before it
happened. For those of you who don't know, the Silver Bridge collapsed killed
dozens of people, and people plunged into the waters. The bridge was packed
with people that night, right before Christmas, presence and debris floating down the
river. My grandma said she had a premonition of that, like she dreamed
about that, And she wasn't the only one. A lot of people said
that they kind of had a premonition of that, which is what raises some
speculation, a lot of its speculation. Most of its speculation, but that
the Mothman, whether Mothman is connected to Silverbridge or not, maybe that's a
coincidence, but that there's a connection to the Angel of Death as real,
the Angel of Death, the Omen of Death. You know, Mothman was
really a Birdman, a batman, and then became Mothman. Many of the
things we learn about Mothmen are fabrications, and they are things that are built
upon the original story, which is pretty well documented, and everything that we
know about Mothman today. It's kind of like a pop culture version of Mothman.
You have to go back and read the original police reports, you have
to go back and read like the original stories. And it's the same thing
with any kind of cryptid creature. In West Virginia in particular, though,
there are a strange series of events that have taken place from north to south
that all all sound just so otherworldly. From Mothman, which is very famous,
to just a little east you find Braxton County where there was the flat
Woods Monster we'll talk about tonight. You go up north near Morgantown, you
get the Grafton Monster, the graft And Monster to depictions, at least depictions
look like a Mothman without wings. And since as we just talked about in
the first segment, Mothman really didn't have the red glowing eyes at least according
to some reports, at least according to our guest's family member. Other people
may have seen red glowing eyes, but the graft And Monster has these black
eyes and has a head that's sunken into the shoulders, so there really isn't
a neck. I'm looking at two depictions I have here on my desk of
Mothman and the graft And Monster. I have them in a little picture frame,
and they look identical, with the exception of the eyes and the wings.
They're like identical. I've never heard anybody else make that connection. I've
also never even I've never met another person who's even heard of the graft And
Monster until I played the Fallout seven six, which I've been playing recently,
and they have all these creatures from West Virginia, the Grafton Monster, Mothman,
the Iaho, the white things which are really creepy, the snaaly Gaster,
which began in Maryland but has been spotted in West Virginia, demon dogs,
thunderbirds. Is all these creatures, and West Virginia just kind of gets
overlooked. It's all this bizarre, strange stuff happening. And so that's why
I wanted Ryder to come on the show tonight and speak with us. Because
the the Flatwood's Monster sighting, which was the main reason I set up tonight's
show. It happened in the fall of the nineteen fifties, about a decade
nineteen fifty two, a decade plus before the sightings of Mothman and the Flatwood's
monster story is. I think it's actually probably my favorite monster outside of Mothman.
It's like a race for number one there for me. But it's a
story that doesn't really get told, and it took place over a decade before
Mothman, right there in southwestern West virgin Anyway, writer leaves our guests this
evening, writer, I wanted to talk a little bit about those Mothmann theories
because I think they probably relate to the Braxton Monster as well. And also,
as you brought up this other case of the hikers, because I brought
up the outlive pass, I think that maybe frequency could be involved. I've
always thought maybe there was some sort of experiment, maybe a military experiment,
some kind of maybe a corporation. I have no idea, but some frequency
interfering with radio, radio radios, interfering with TVs, making people see things
that aren't there. But I guess if you see, if you do see
them, there's something there. Even if you're hallucinating. What do you think
of that? What is your idea? What is your thought? And maybe
how that relates and kind of segues into flatwoods. Well, I had Trey
Hudson, which was a DoD security officer on my show. He's retired now,
and we were talking about the diatlov past incident in a Corvinia incident in
ninety three, and he said that the Corvinia incident in ninety seemed like it
was a nerve gas agent. He said that the symptoms that the hikers were
experiencing, you know, falling to the ground, bleeding out of their nose,
bleeding out of their eyes. One girl literally bashed her head against the
rock until she passed out. Some of them were taking off their clothes,
just ripping off their clothes. And he was like, to me, that
sounds like some sort of nerve gas agent that was possibly left around from the
Cold War when Russia was doing experimentation out there. And he said that that's
the way the nerve gas works. One person gets hit with some form of
nerve gas, the other person goes up to them, they also get the
nerve gas on them, and then they start experiencing the exact same symptoms and
then the people that are around them get close to them, they get some
of the nerve gas on them. So that's one. Also sounds a little
bit like a microwave weapon too, because people will take their clothes off,
people will vomit, people will freak out and sort of hallucinate. That's just
another thought, but go ahead. Yeah, some people think that Bigfooter Yeti
is involved in They believe that bigfoot in Yeti has this infra sound type of
frequency that he can put off that paralyzes his victims that he's going to attack
or Yeah, but when it comes to Point Pleasant, West Virginia, see,
I have a completely different theory that I've never been able to tell anyone
before. So you're getting you're getting the scoop here today. The writer exclusive
on Point Pleasant, West Virginia and the Mothman, so based off of my
family member Marsala telling me this stuff when I was growing up. In her
story and her encounter with the Mothman made me believe her. There was no
reason that I shouldn't have believed or she was telling me the same story over
and over again. So then I was like, okay, well there was
probably something to it. Now, regardless if everyone saw what they said that
they saw, it's up in the air, right, But I do believe
something strange was happening out in the T and T area. There were reports
of men in black in the area that was talking to the people that had
filed police reports. They were going to them, they were threatening them,
telling them to shut up about it, telling them not to talk about it.
And then this event the Silver Bridge collapsed, which the official date for
the first mothman sighting was December fifteenth, nineteen sixty six, and just a
year later after the first sighting of the mothman, December fifteenth, nineteen sixty
seven is when the Silver Bridge collapsed, so directly a year after the first
sighting, the Silver Bridge collapse and kills forty six people. Now to understand
what was happening. Back then, the community and the people of the town
were all gung ho about going out into the T and T area and finding
this monster that has been reported by several people. It's the most documented cryptid
creature case of all time. They were very gung ho about it. They
had their pitchforks out there. What West Virginia Justice, Yeah, they had
torches. They were all going out in the ten T area, and the
men in black show up. They're like, hey, we need to put
a lid on this whole thing. And my personal belief, there's no proof
to it, no evidence to it, but it makes a lot of sense.
I believe that what they did is they purposely brought down the Silver Bridge
to distract people from the teen T area and the mathman for whoever to go
out there, some team of military officials, some team of black budget government
officials, somebody to go out there to the teen T area and take care
of the mathman. Okay, so your theory, based on growing up and
hearing these stories, you're saying you think that maybe the military took out the
bridge or something to that effect in order somebody, somebody took out the bridge,
whether regard whether it was military, whether it was through letter organizations,
whether it was the government, whoever it was, they purposely took out the
bridge to distract the people, to create that trauma, so therefore they would
completely forget about the creature in the woods. What was the official story,
because it was like it took them about four or five years to come up
with an explanation for why it collapsed. And they say that there was one
of the eyebars or a joint of the eyebars broke. It was like C
thirteen. People like, oh, it's thirteen, unlucky. That was the
official explanation, correct, Yeah, the official explanation was that there was a
faulty beam in the one of the eyebars. There was a faulty eyebar in
the bridge, and that's the explanation of why it collapsed. And after that
event, it really changed the way that bridges were built in the United States.
They had to have several inspections. They reinforced them a lot better after
the collapse of that bridge. But it makes sense to me that if you
would want to distract people from this weird monster, this weird creature that several
people have been reported to have seen in the T and T area, in
the small town in West Virginia, the easiest way to do that is to
create some kind of tragedy. I also think it's interesting because I don't I
don't know. I don't think anybody has any confirmation on what happened. That's
why we're still talking about this story all these years later. When I think
of some of the stories I heard about frequencies like you know, radios being
garbled. I also think that that sounds very similar to the sleep paralysis type
symptoms, to the to the sightings of owls as screen memories relationship that has
to fairy abductions. When you have UFO sidings, I mean there's there's oftentimes
either missing time or you have electrical disturbances, which are common with both kind
of classical nuts and bolts UFOs. Also with orbs balls of light there are
electrical disturbances, so that certainly, I mean plays into this as well.
I mean that there's just so many different paranormal supernatural aspects to this. I
hear your theory, I've never I've never heard that from anybody. You're the
first person to say that first time I've ever heard that theory on what happened.
And it makes one hundred percent since because after the Silverbridge collapse of nineteen
sixty seven, no one talked about the Mothman. It's like the Mothman just
vanished in the history. No one cared about it anymore because obviously the Silver
Bridge collapsing and forty six people dying, two of them were never found.
Was a very traumatic event, especially for a super small town, super small
town of five thousand people. You knew someone that was on that bridge.
You probably had some sort of family that died on that bridge. So it's
the perfect distraction to for whoever to go out and to the teens area and
take care of whatever was really out there, because it was never cited again
after that, and no one talked about it after that until the Mothman Prophecy's
movie with Richard Greer, which brought about a new excitement for it, and
then the Mothman statue was put in the middle of town and in the middle
of downtown, and then the Mothman Festival. Then all of a sudden,
it becomes this tourist attraction. As you said earlier, it's the same thing
with Roswell, and a lot of other similar types of cases were years and
years later than it becomes a tourist destination, especially for paranormal folks or cryptid
folks. And you find Bill Moore created the whole Roswell incident from his book
in nineteen eighty and Roswell happened in nineteen forty seven, So what is that,
uh seven three decades, yeah, three decades later, almost identical to
the Mothman story. So this whole story whatever it is, like, I
don't know, you have a theory, but you admit like you don't know.
There's no evidence or proof of really any of this. It's a lot
of speculation. That's what makes it a good story, good mystery, and
it makes it right for a well controlled speculation. But if we go east
of Point Pleasant, you find another place, Braxton County, with the flat
Woods Monster. And this is something that you and I were discussed on the
phone the other night. You know, the folks that made the Fallout seventy
six video game, they clearly did a lot of research about West Virginia.
They've included Mothman in that game. They included the Grafton Monster in that game,
Bigfoot, demon, dogs, thunderbirds, and a bunch of I don't
know if there's thunderbirds in the game, but there's thunderbirds in West Virginia that
have been seen. That's a native lore, native legend. But they included
most of these cryptids in the snaly Gaster in the in the video game,
and one of them is the flat Woods Monster, and the Flatwoods Monster is
something I've really never met another person who's ever even heard this story. You
being so close having been from Point Pleasant, anybody you ever talked to heard
of Flatwood's Monster. What do you know about this story? Well, in
complete honesty, I had never heard of it either until you brought it up,
and I was really intrigued by it. So I believe it was nineteen
fifty two. Two brothers, Edward and Fred May and their friend Tommy said
they saw a bright object across the sky and land on a property of a
local farmer. The boys then went to back home. They went back home
to their mom's house, where they told their story and their mom I think
her name was May, and she decided to take the three boys and local
children. I believe one of them was named Neil and another one was named
Ronnie, and also were accompanied by a National Guardsman of West Virginia I named
Eugi Lemon. They went to the farm where the boys saw this bright light,
weird, strange light land and they started searching the woods for the thing
that the boys said that they had seen. The group reached the top of
a hill where they said that they saw a Paulsene red light and Lemon said
that the National Guardsman Eugene Lemon said that he aimed his flashlight in the direction
of where the light was coming from and saw a tall manlike figure with a
round red face surrounded by a pointed like hood shape. And this is where
things get a really weird turn. Media gets a hold of it, they
turn it into something completely different. There was an article in Fate magazine which
I thought was really interesting because when I was researching this and looking into the
Flatboos monster, Fate Magazine sounded really familiar, and I remember looking into it
before surrounding a UFO cult, and I remembered in nineteen sixty two, there
was this UFO cult called the Markage cult with Gloria Lee in the early sixties,
and she basically grew her cult following through Fate magazine, which is a
monthly occult magazine. And a little side note on Gloria Lee, not trying
to take away from the story here, it's just interesting connection. She ended
up creating a plan for world peace and a space station design and took these
plans to Washington, DC in nineteen sixty two, trying to get the attention
of government officials and the government didn't listen, and then she launched a hunger
strike protest and told others in the UFO contact de community of that time that
she expected to enter into a coma resembling death and then return and then be
reborn with renewed spiritual energy and all of the psychic powers to carry on our
missions. That's very artypical. And after approximately sixty six days without eating,
she was then taken to George Washington University Hospital and died there in nineteen sixty
two at the age of thirty six from starvation. Aliens didn't help her,
no, not at all. But I just thought that that was an interesting
connection air while I was looking into Into the Flatwoods, Monster and Fate magazine
basically blowing this story up, and they also had that big story with Gloria
Lee. They basically made her really popular in the early sixties as well.
But it was described by Back to the flatwe was mouster really quick. So
it was described by the Maze family that the figure was approximately ten feet tall
with a round blood red type face with a hood like shape around its face.
I like shapes which emitted a green reddish orange light and a dark black
or green body I actually have, as you're describing it, I have a
porcelain candle holder that's a brax and monster. I'm looking at it. You're
describing it pretty well. And May described the figure as having a small,
small claw like hands, which then people took that to mean that it was
because the explanation for what they saw with the flat Woods Monster was that they
saw a barn owl, Like, are you kidding me? Okay, so
people in West Virginia that are very familiar with the woods who live in the
rural community know what a freaking owl looks like. You know, an owl
can't be ten foot tall. But it's interesting the connection there that people claiming
that it was an owl. When Marcella, my family member, said that
the mothaman look like an owl, a tin foot tall owl. Yeah,
that's that's really interesting. And by the way, if anybody wants to see
what this thing looks like, it's really simple to find it. Just type
in flat Woods Monster. There's a lot of artist depictions, but even if
you go to the History Channel, they have the original photograph of Kathleen May
and Gene Lemon with the artists rendering of what it looks like. Actually have
original scan of that here in my wall too. But you can see what
this thing looks like the way that writer's describing it. It has almost like
a it's like a tear drop flame at the top, which I've actually never
thought of this until right now, writer, But I read the Carl Young
UFO book, which I have to strongly recommend to everybody. Get a copy
of Carl Young's UFO book and read that. It will blow your mind.
He talks about the archetype of the tear drop shape coming down from heaven,
and this is a very very very common UFO story, is the tear drop
UFO or anything that comes down, you know, rain droplets, gold coins,
which was a big thing people saw in Europe. Until right now,
I didn't realize that. But this story of the Flatwoods Monster also has part
of that archtypical symbolism associated with it because of the way that its head looks
or the way that it was described. And also balls of fire peopleribe seeing
balls of fire dropping from the sky and landing, so it's kind of a
combination of both. I've heard many people talk about, you know, in
the sixties and the seventies, they would just see large balls of fire come
out of the sky and land in the tree line, and that's what this
creature's head supposedly kind of looked like. It was kind of like a fleaming
type of head. They never really described it being like fire. But there
was another report after Oh well, I want to finish up with May's description
here. So May described the figures having the small claw like hands, which
then people thought that they mistaked it for a barn owl. But she also
said that the clothing had like folds and a head that resembled an ace of
spades. And according to the story, when the figure then made like a
hissing sound and glided toward the group, Lemon screamed and dropped a flashlight,
chasing the group away. Apparently, now a lot of that was then was
embellished. The original story from the family never said that it glided toward them.
They said that it was leaning against a tree that they're and also was
described later on through news articles and magazines that they had a they smelled a
really sulfur like weird smell, but that through my research that was never really
confirmed either. And also through the news media and these newspapers and these magazines
were also talking about how the smell made the family really nauseous and they got
sick and they started throwing up and puking. And another thing the news people
said is that the dog that was with them got killed as well. Yeah,
that was all. That's the story I've always heard. I never knew
it was true, but I've always heard that the dog got really sick and
they had smelled this really weird, putrid smell. Yeah, the dog apparently
was with them and ran up to this creature, but then immediately turned back
and ran away. The official story from the family, there wasn't a smell,
the dog didn't get murdered. Those things were added as embellishment to the
story. Now do you think the media, do you think it's possible after
the fact that maybe if it was something relating to I've heard relating to the
militarya down satellite, something to that effect. But this was again, this
was in the fifties, so a little bit different with the technology back then.
Would you say that it's possible that if people were maybe intimidated to kind
of embellish the story or to say, well, we didn't really see those
things, or kind of change the story in the same way that if you're
right about the Silver Bridge collapse, if there was some kind of malicious and
to destroy that bridge, kill people to distract from Mothman, which was certainly
a real phenomenon, that perhaps there was something similar happening in a decade plus
before that in Braxton County. Maybe the military somebody kind of threatened those families
and got them not to talk about it to kind of prevent whatever it was
from really becoming public knowledge. Is that possible to you? Do you have
thoughts on that? That's very possible. There was another case that I was
studying while I was studying this one, which was really interesting. It's called
the Infilled Monster. I've heard of the Yeah, it happened in Illinois on
the night of uh I think it is in April, in April nineteen seventy
three. Can you actually hold that thought. We're going to take a quick
break and we'll come back with that story. Absolutely, it's a very interesting
story. So stay tuned, Stay tuned. Is that and that's the Infilled
Monster Illinois? Yes, okay, we'll come back with that story with Rider
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So we've gone from Point Pleasant a couple of hours east to Braxton County,
which is just south of Grafton, Fairmont and Morgantown, where, according to
my oldest friend I've been friends for well since tenth grade. We talk all
the time. He said, there are still bigfoot sightings routinely on the outskirts
of Morgantown. All I mean, West Virginia is mostly woods, so they
have big foot sightings. It's so common that people just it's just like going
outside and seeing a deer. Really, I haven't talked to him about that
for a while. I might bring that up to him this week and ask
him when's the last time someone saw something like that. But you know,
if you're in the woods too, people see a lot of weird stuff in
the woods. It's disorientinge. But these stories we're talking about is not are
really particular. We don't know exactly what is the origin of the story,
what level of involvement the military has. We don't know if there are chemicals
involved, frequencies involved, mass delusion. There are so many different possibilities,
but we're trying to take a unique approach to these stories. Of course,
the flat Wood's Monster story fall of nineteen fifty two, that was many years
before the Mothman, and that was about again two hours east. The Mothman
story took place in December, so it is the fall of the veil,
and when that veil falls was in the fall of Man. Perhaps these creatures
come through to our side of reality. Rider Lye, as I said,
as our guest raised by giants on YouTube. You can find him righterly is
from point pleasant and writer. We were going to talk about the infielled monster
in relationship to the Flatwoods Monster. I was actually reading an arty at Break
published this year. Twenty twenty three. Local news station in Illinois was calling
the infilled monster a mob delusion or like mob mentality that people think they saw
something and so the whole mob just agrees, like mass hysteria, mass delusion,
that they saw something. So what do you know about the Infilled Monster
and how does that relate as well to these cryptids in West Virginia. Well,
I think the Infilled Monster's original story it came from Henry McDaniel, and
I personally believe that his story is very credible. I mean, there was
physical evidence that was left behind from this monster that he claimed to have seen,
so I believe that it was around ten PM or so eleven eleven PM
later in the evening of nineteen seventy three, Henry heard a scratching sound at
his front door. He looked out he saw something that he thought might be
a bear. See what happens is when these people use the scriptors to describe
what they saw, the skeptical people come in and say, oh, well,
that must have been what you saw in you know, it's sort of
almost identical to what's his name the first person that saw the UFOs in Washington
in nineteen forty seven. I'm blinking on his name right now, but he
basically said that what he saw, he described it as sorcerers, you know,
like sorcerers and how they Arnold, right, Yeah, saucers move across
the water. And then the media just ran with, oh, well,
it was what he saw was flying saucers. He never saw it, said
that he's seen flying saucers. The media just took that. He said that
it was saucer like that he meant that he saw flying saucers. They actually
were chevron. They were triangular and they skipped. He said, it's like
they skipped across the air like water, like a saucer and water. But
yeah, they were chevron. They weren't even disc like exactly in the media.
And the reason that we think that the UFOs are a disc and saucer
like like those original UFOs is all because of the misinterpretation that the media took
from Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven, and it's completely been blown out a
portion, and that's what said, that's what people started the sea. And
then after the intelligence agencies and the military in the early nineteen fifties, which
we've talked about with Mirajeman before, then you start to get all these Hollywood
movies that are producing this content about flying saucers people from other planets, and
that's like Carl Jung said the same thing. It kind of creates this this
mythology, and that becomes our ufo reality when the origin of these stories is
nowhere near what we think they are. So Henry had a gun in a
flashlight. He headed outside. It was really windy that night. He saw
a strange creature between two bushes. He said it had three legs on it,
a short body, two short arms, and had two pink eyes what
looked like as big as flashlights. It stood four and a half feet tall.
It was grayish collared, and he also said that it almost sort of
had like a human body. And McDaniel fired four shots at this creature.
One shot hit him and caused him to make a hissing sound almost identical to
what was reported from the maze in the flat Woods Monster. They said that
it made some sort of hissing sound before it chased some which we don't really
know if that's real or not because of the media and the newspapers and stuff,
which McDaniel called the After the sighting and after he shot this creature,
he called the local authorities who discovered footprints near the house, which they described
as dog like in shape, but it had six toes footprints has six toes
and they said an analysis of the footprints correct. Yes, And people said
that there was no living animal that is known that had a print like this.
But then another person from a university studied it and then said that it
was more than likely and an ape track. Well, where are there freaking
apes in Illinois? You think apes are just indigenous to Illinois and they're just
wild apes are roaming around Illinois. Six toad apes. Yeah, they're very
common in Illinois. Six toad apes. And then another other skeptical people said
that it was a kangaroo, like are you kidding? Mean, like,
that's the worst description that you could possibly ever had, that a kangaroo that
only live in Australia and the island of New Guinea was somehow out in Illinois.
People might say, well, what if it was an experiment gone wrong
and it got loose, some plumb island type thing. Writer, Well,
I mean, there's it could be. I mean, who knows. But
McDaniel fired four shots at this thing and one of them hit him, and
then it ran away and it made this hissing sound and McDaniel said that it
kind of leaped, it kind of jumped and it covered fifty feet in three
jumps, which, again him making that description of the way that it moved,
led people to believe that it was a kangaroo, because the only known
animal that we know that jumps like that it could possibly maybe jump that kind
of distance and hops like that, is a kangaroo. But a wild kangaroo
in Illinois, and the only place that kangaroos are indigenous to are in Australia
and New Guinea makes zero sense. Yeah. I mean, even if someone
was to say, well, maybe it was an ape that escaped from a
lab, I don't really know any research that's done on kangaroos and laboratories,
especially in Illinois, so that also wouldn't add up. But this story,
as you're linking it slightly to flat woods, this story also reminds me,
and I'm not exactly sure what I think of the people involved with this story,
but it reminds me of the nineteen fifties ninety eighty five k's of the
hopkins Ville encounter with these little goblin like creatures because they had the very large
eyes, they were very short and small goblins or elf like, and they
were shot at supposedly and bullets just ricocheted off of them. So I don't
know if you know much about that story, but it sounds very similar to
the Hopkinsville Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. Well. The police considered McDaniel to be very
rational in his right mind and sober, not drinking, not on any drugs
in his retelling and reporting of the incident, and the police said the police
also examined the footprints of this monster as well and said that it was similar
to a dog's footprint. It had six toes. And another thing that's interesting
is that there were hair. There's hair from this monster by the prince as
well. And they also found McDaniel's screen door all thrashed and broken up and
scratches. They didn't think he did that or planted the hair. They thought
he was credible. Yeah, the police thought that he was a credible witness.
Do you do you think that there's any relationship at least with the description
of the creature to the Hopkinsville case or do you not know much about that
one. I'm not too sure on the Hopkinsville case. They I am familiar
with a little bit of the goblin mythology and lore, and it does sound
very similar. This creature that McDaniel described was no taller than four feet tall.
How tall were these goblins reported to be? There were there were different
different descriptions. I've read just a couple of feet, so two to four
or five feet, I mean they were they were relatively small. I think
what the average mail is like five to seven, about half that size.
They were maybe even around half that size. So yeah, probably come to
your waist just a few feet. Well, McDaniel said that if anyone ever
finds this creature that they would find more of them. Oh well, well,
I'm sorry. Yep. It's interesting you're talking about this story because you
mentioned the owl in the case of your relative in Point Pleasant. You mentioned
the owl because that was part of the story in flat Woods, And although
this particular Infield case doesn't have an owl, the owl was also used as
an excuse in the Hopkinsville case. They said, well, that was just
an owl that you shot at and the bullets ricocheted off of it. They're
using an owl as an excuse in that case too, So that's a common
theme, by the way. Yeah, and a barn owl doesn't get ten
foot tall. But in the case of the not the Infield but the Flowboys
monster. They said that supposedly the owl had that it was kind of obstructed
by shrubbery and stuff, and it was made to seem like it was a
lot longer than you know, what it was. And that's another case that
may have got the media and the skeptics and the people thinking that it was
something different. Whenever may describe the creature having the like the talon type kind
of arms, kind of what owls have as well. Now, yeah,
go ahead, no I was gonna say this is I'm sure there's gonna be
some somebody who would say, well, yeah, but there's different kinds of
owls, and one owl might be bigger than the other owl. Maybe they
misidentified, you know, there's different kinds of owls. It's like, still,
I don't the difference is like in flat woods, you know, this
was a ten foot tall owl, very very large if it was an l
And then in the case of the Hopkinsville story, you've got a creature very
similar to the Infield story, and this creature is only like two foot tall.
So you've got a range of owls I guess in the the East part
of the United States that are between two and ten feet tall. I've never
seen an owl that big, but it seems to be a really easy excuse
to just dismiss something that's unbelievable. Yeah, they're feeding those owls GMO foods
and pumping them up with antibiotics. Ryan, that's how I put them to
be that big. Of course, of course there gmode owls. Yeah,
put that on YouTube and start selling that. That's theory. That's what everyone
is seeing nowadays. Now, what's interesting with the I don't mean they keep
jumping back and forth between these events. It just okay, it makes I'm
falling along. I think the listeners are to go ahead, I get it.
I understand it's just tricking my memory from as we're speaking here, and
I keep going back and forth. Hope people can follow along. But the
the flat Woods Monster, there was another incident that was reported after the original
incident with the May family that was a were these two girls that was going
to walk to a store really late at night, and they decided to cut
through the woods and one of the girls seeing something that looked like a fire,
like someone was, you know, having a bonfire, and the closer
that they got to it, it then turned into this more human like form
and then like floated after them and chased them back to their house and went
to their gate. And this story was recounted with a strange smell, a
sulfur like smell. It was chasing after them, It was like floating after
them, and the descriptions that they described were almost identical to the Flatwoods Monster
that the May family seen this but this supposedly happened before, though it was
reported after. And then there was another incident that was said to have occurred
a day after the May family the original sighting of the Flatwoods Monster, though
this one wasn't reported until three years after the original Maze encounter, around twenty
miles away in a place called Strange Creek, which it's a very interesting entitled
to experience something strange. It was George and Edith Zewinski Zolenski or something like
that was their last name, with their year and a half old son,
were driving and their car died and George got out the check he had the
hood of the car open. And then reports vary on this one as well,
because again it was reported three years after the original event of the Flatwood
Monster in the May family. Some say that a weird, strange ball of
light came out of the forest and the surrounding woods and landed on top of
their car, and then they got into their car and then drove and then
somehow their car started back up. Another one was that it was a strange
monster that came out of the woods and then tried to attack them, and
then was attacking their car, and then he got back in in his car
started up. So there's a lot of different stories and explanations to what happened.
But there were supposedly three encounters of the Flatwood was Monster, though one
was reported to happen before the original story, and then another one was reported
to have happened a day after, though it wasn't reported until three years later.
That's an important distinction. I have a book on West Virginia monsters,
and there's an interesting I forgot about this. I was just flipping through it.
The Charleston Daily Mail reported on September fifteenth, this is in regard to
the Flatwoods Monster. So three days after the September twelfth siding nineteen fifty two,
they said the monster was nothing more. I thought this was kind of
funny. The monster was nothing more, not an owl, but then a
combination of an airplane warning beacon and a flashing media reflecting on the trunk of
a dead tree. That's what the newspaper reported. I don't even know what
that means, but it sounds like the owl's more credible than that explanation.
Yeah. See these people in West virgin and you know, like they're stupid,
and these people are really smart, especially when it comes to the woods
and identifying animals. I mean, they're around yeah, wildlife all the time.
They can tell the difference between some sort of strange creature and an owl,
or tell the difference between a satellite and an owl, or a satellite
and a strange, weird creature that they've never seen before. I'm sure that
most people in West Virginia are very familiar with the wildlife that are in the
area, and they wouldn't just come out and make something up, pretending to
see something that they've never that they can't identify, especially back. I mean,
again, it's it's speculation, but I think this is well controlled speculation.
In the fifties and sixties, especially small towns like that in West Virginia
of all places, people generally, I mean, maybe there was one or
two, but generally speaking, the average person wasn't looking to bring a ton
of publicity to this tiny little town. People like that usually live in those
places because they don't want any kind of disturbance from the outside world. I
mean, that's why I would move to a place like that, because I
wouldn't want to be disturbed. So it's like, I highly doubt that it
was that these stories were made up just to get people to come in and
bring tourism dollars, because most of that, as you said, started decades
later, many many many decades after the original stories were told. Yeah.
And also in the case of the infilm Monster, Harry McDaniel, And the
reason that I brought that up was you were talking about, you know,
military involvement and maybe coming in and telling people to shut up about it.
Well, the mayor of Illinois at that time went to Henry McDaniel and was
like, hey, stop talking about this. There too many people are coming
around and wanting to find this thing. And apparently five men were arrested in
Illinois because they were drinking and they had guns and they shot some They were
just going around shooting animals randomly. And then the mayor after that came to
Henry and was like, hey, like, stop talking about this is bringing
too much publicity to our area. That people are too intrigued and somebody is
going to get hurt. Which I think that that is very similar to a
lot of these cases also including the moth man. Right, these men in
black just show up in Point Pleasant, West Virginia and is like, hey
like, stop talking about this, stop making it bigger than what it is.
And some people could take that to lend more credence to the story or
solidify the story even more, or it could have been a way to make
sure that no one got hurt and someone accidentally got shot and accidentally killed when
going out and searching for this mothman in the t inter area with pitchforks and
guns and torches. Also, I wanted to note this because of what that
newspaper said about flat woods. So we have these relationships to the owl in
Hopkinsville, Enfield and flat Woods as well, and even the story that other
stories from other places as well have the same kind of explanation what it was
an owl? Get that with UFO abductions, But then the Kexsburg UFO case
that's in Pennsylvania. I've actually been there and got a picture with the little
if it's like a statue or a monument they built to it. But the
Kexsburg UFO case which happened in was the mid nineteen sixties, nineteen sixty five.
That was also in December, by the way, so we got a
lot of UFO cryptid anniversaries going on in the fall and right now in December.
Kexburg UFO incident nineteen sixty five. And it kind of looks like a
beehive and it has these strange some people put like these strange symbols around it.
If you look at the actually type in Kexburg, Pennsylvania, you can
see it. It has these weird like etchings on it. Some people think,
well, maybe that was the Nazi bell program, part of Project paper
Clip. The US was flying it. It crashed. But the reason I
bring this up is because the way that the newspaper in West Virginia described the
flat Woods Monster, Oh, was an airplane beacon and it was something reflecting
off of a tree stump. It's a meteor it was. Some people said
it was a satellite that went down something to that effect. Well, the
same thing in Kexsburg. They said, well, it was a meteor or
was a satellite that went down. That's I mean, that's just all these
very common explanations. Well, you would think, this is my opinion,
you would think that for when you read these stories about Hopkinsville Infield and I'm
not even saying I believe the Hopkinsville storre, I'm just saying Hopkinsville Infield,
flat Woods, et cetera, Kexburg. You'd think that for all the different
unique types people that live in these places and people's different perceptions of reality,
if these things were just owls or meteors or satellites or whatever they were,
you'd think that people might describe them all the same, like like they would
see something. But these descriptions of these creatures are so completely different. It
just feels that this is these are the laziest explanations for what people are seeing,
despite the vast differences, maybe the difference in the culture of the towns,
the way that people see things. But they're all seeing similar kinds of
things in the sense like monsters or cryptids or downcraft or whatever. But then
the explanations always, well, it's just just a satellite. Oh, it's
just a media or oh it's just this, or it's just that's just something
real simple and that to me, that just doesn't add up. Yeah,
the official explanation for Kecksburg was a I think was a Russian spy sonly.
Yeah, which, by the way, I'm sorry to keep talking because I
want to let you finish and we're gonna skip this last break here and just
keep talking. This is the secret Teachings. I'm Ryan Gable Rider Lee as
the guest. But you know, sput Nick one wasn't launched until nineteen was
at nineteen fifty seven as the first artificial satellite. So these stories that,
oh the Flatwood's Monster in nineteen fifty two is a down satellite that was five
years before satellites were officially launched, So Flatwoods couldn't have been a satellite.
But I've heard that story, Oh it was just a satellite. How there
weren't satellites at that time. So anyway, Yeah, the explanations are plausible
but yet ridiculous at the same time. Like the most ridiculous one that I
brought up was the infil monster one like a king garoo. Really you're gonna
say that a freaking king garoo, a wild kangaroo was just hopping around Illinois
in nineteen seventy three and terrorized in trying to break down McDaniel's screen and then
scratched the side of his house and they really screwed up without it explanation.
That's why they went to the ape explanation after that, because McDaniel was in
the military and lived in Australia and had a pet kangaroo. Oh that's even
I didn't know that. That's funny, that's super ironic. So they had
to switch it after they found out the explanation of a kangaroo and knowing that
he was in the military and was stationed in Australia and had a pet kangaroo
and was around kangaroos all the time, that he couldn't identify that it was
a kangaroo. So then they had to switch it to that. Oh no,
it wasn't. It's not a kangaroo anymore. It was some kind of
It was an ape six toad ape, a wild ape six toad ape that
was rooming around Illinois and in nineteen seventy three, Even though apes are not
indigenous to Illinois, I don't think the apes are really indigenous anywhere in the
United States? So what does all this tell you? I mean, we
have we have much more to talk about. We have a whole other segment
here we're into into. But what does all this tell you? With the
official stories then the eyewitness testimony mix that together with pop culture, what kind
of phenomenon are we dealing with here? I mean, if you look around
the world, you can find similar stories in probably probably every country. So
what is happening here? Do you think that this is some kind of collective
unconscious projection? Are these just creatures that maybe maybe there are dimensional gateways like
some of the natives supposedly believed in those areas like West Virginia. What do
you think is going on here? Right? Because people are seeing these things
all over the world, and there's a you know, there's a parallel in
some like the bigfoots parallel the Yetta. You find that pretty much everywhere.
Different names. Some of these monsters are also real distinct, like really unique,
Like flat Woods is really unique. Mothman is maybe not as unique,
but it's much more unique than the Bigfoot. So what do you think is
happening? Well, we've heard these stories from Native Americans and Native tribes basically
everywhere in the country, not just in America from the Native Americans, any
indigenous peoples from any country will almost tell you the exact same thing. You
know, they have star people. They didn't call them extraterrestrials, they didn't
call them aliens. They call them star people. You also have the Bigfoot
in the Yeti, you have the skin Walker, you have the wind to
go. You know, all of these stories that have been talked about for
a really really long time, and for some people that will confirm their suspicions
like, oh, hey, you know, this isn't just a modern thing.
This has been happening for a really long time. Just like how the
UFO community, you know, looks at the Bible and looks at the Book
of Enoch and the Book of Ezekiel and the Vedas and Hermanas to reinforce their
extraterrestrial hypothesis. Whenever it gets ruined in modern times, they're like, oh,
well, you know, this has been happening since the biblic all time.
This has been happening for thousands and thousands of years. You know,
yes, so I think that it is there is some kind of phenomenon going
on. You know, people can try and label me as saying that none
of this stuff is real and people are just making all this stuff up.
That's not what I'm saying. I think that things are like paranormal things happen
all the time, Stranger things happen all the time, unexplainable things happen all
the time. But putting the label on it as if you know what it
is is completely wrong. That's not the way to do it. I think
that we're not meant to know what it is. I think that it if
we were to try and comprehend what it is, our brains would just explode
because it's way more fantastic than any human logical explanation that we could possibly pin
on it. And people, I mean, I've had strange experiences my whole
life. You've told me about strange experiences that you've had your throughout your life.
Ryan, Oh, yes, you don't know what it is. I
don't know what it is in any explanation. To try and quantify it in
our minds and put a label on it, to be like this is definitely
what it is, we know what it is fall so far out of the
boundaries of anything that is known to us personally that we could adequately describe or
adequately explain. That's a really good way to I think, sort of encapsulate
it because i have had super bizarre experiences and I've shared them once or twice
on air over the last decade and a half or so that i've done this
show, and I shared them in private with you. The other night.
We were talking about all this and the things that I've seen, and maybe
I should put it like this. I know that listening to a show like
this, because I've listened to plun myself of other people's shows, you get
this impression from the host or from the guest, usually that they believe in
what they're sharing, whether it's their story or it's someone else's story. Get
this impression that they're If they're not just telling a story, you get this
impression that they believe that story. And likewise, I know people get the
impression from me and certainly from you as well, writer when people listen to
your show that maybe we are more quote unquote skeptical, we just don't believe
anything, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I just don't believe
everything, nor do. I disbelieve everything, and I've likewise had my own
experiences. I just don't monetize them and sell them for profit because I don't
know what they are. And maybe I could write a little, teeny tiny
book and explain what I've seen, and maybe people based on my background would
enjoy reading that you as listeners. But I don't know what the things are
that I've seen. But what I do know is I had those experiences when
I was a kid, long before I was ever influenced by the kinds of
things that we have attention focused on now by pop culture, because I grew
up pretty sheltered, very Christian household, and I experienced of the same things
that many many years later, when I would read books on things like we're
discussing tonight, I realized, Oh, I remember that, that's exactly what
I saw when I was a kid, but I had no point or frame
of reference for it. So it's not a matter of belief or disbelief.
I've had my own experiences. I like you, writer, I just don't
know what they were, don't know what they are, but there's still some
phenomenon there and that is something that we're exploring. Yeah, and the problem
with talking about your experiences is that other people want to tack on their experiences
and tell you what you experienced. That's very true. That's why I don't
talk about my experiences, and I'm sure that's a big reason why you don't
talk about yours, is because everyone wants to come in with their own opinion
and tell you exactly what it was. You know, in a nine times
out of ten is nothing like what you experienced. And that is my conclusion
with a lot of these cryptids. I think that they saw something. Was
it exactly the way that they described it? We don't really know, but
I can tell you one thing for sure. What people say that it is.
It's not, you know, like an explanation of an owl. That's
not an owl, dude, I don't know what it was. It's not
an owl. That's not a kangaroo, bro, It's not a meteor reflecting
off of a tree stump. I don't know what it was, but it
definitely was not a kangaroo, you know. So, And that's the issue
in the problem because I've explained a few of my experiences to people within the
community as well, and they turn it into something completely different. Than what
I experienced. See, people just can't take their experiences and then have other
people recite them verbatim, right though, include something fantastical. Right, They'll
be like, oh, well, you are definitely abducted by aliens. They
definitely did experimentations on you. They abducted you into their UFO craft. You've
probably got missing time somewhere. You need to get a regression, and then
you go get a regression, and then it confirms exactly what they said because
you were out there looking for what they said. So it's their influence upon
you. And I like those types of scenarios and those things that I experienced
to be sacred to me. I don't need other people's inputs, need them
with what they are, you don't need them polluted. And whether that pollution
is intentional or otherwise, it might be from people that have really good intentions.
Part of it is also just like psychology one oh one. We don't
really have much of a memory of what we've done in the last week.
Some people don't remember what they had for breakfast. You talk about a story
that happened or something that you experienced fifteen twenty. In my case, I've
had some things recent. But most of the stories I can tell you were
from childhood, like really young childhood. They were traumatic. I remember them,
but I don't know all the details. So I'm careful because what happens,
right is if I'm thinking about that experience I had and I remember it,
my brain is only processing a certain piece of it, and when I
hear another story that sounds similar, it confirms that certainly what I saw was
some sort of maybe even natural phenomenon, I don't know what it was.
But then these other pieces start to be put together by the brain, so
the brain can try to paint a bigger and clearer picture of what it was
you experienced, when in reality it's maybe like twenty percent of your memories accurate.
The rest you have no clue. It's black. And then the brain
tries to fill in the blanks with stories that you hear presently, even though
what you experienced was fifteen twenty years ago. Does that make sense, because
I think that's what's happening. That is spot on? And then you have
the other such a of people that you can tell an experience too, and
they'll they'll tell you that you didn't experience anything, right, So it's one
of the two extremes. It's either all of this fantastical mumbo jumbo garbage wack
TRD nonsense, or it's nothing and all those two things. You either experienced
nothing or it was way more dramatic, way more exciting then the way that
you said it. And then you get that confused with your actual stories exactly
like what you said, and then you try and fill in the blanks and
the gaps from what other people are telling you that it is, and then
that morphs and turns the story into something completely different, and then you get
to believing in that, and then you regurgitate that, and then it turns
into something that is completely opposite of what happened. It's this really interesting the
story you tell about Endfield in Illinois and the relationship as I brought up that
that has to Hopkinsville case because whether or not, I mean, in your
case and the Infield story, you're saying the police and you believe this guy's
very credible. I'm a little skeptical of the Hopkinsville story because I met one
of the guys and he just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. But
that's just my opinion. Nevertheless, there's the story of a creature. And
we actually I did an interview with a lady who was very knowledgeable in this,
probably how it was like Halloween twenty nineteen. We talked about the dwin
Day. You know about the dwin Day. Not familiar, you'd have to
tell me about it. Yeah, it's a Latin American spirit creature. I
also, I think it's very popular in European folklore, but Latin America Europe
very similar stories. They're basically like goblins or elves. And if you look
at the dwin Da, it's spelled d u e Nde, and I might
be pronouncing it wrong, Dwinde. The Dwinde looks really like almost in some
ways identical to the Hopkinsville story. Pointed ears, the long arms that go
down to the feet, almost goblin like a couple of things, you know,
I think, Okay, I'm not saying the Hopkinsville story is made up,
but if you wanted to make up a story, it would be very
easy to take something that's kind of obscure in mythology, like who has heard
of a Dwindey? Hardly anybody. So take something that's obscure and then you
create a story around it. So it's based in some reality, so that
when people like myself go and research and I'm like, well, that Hopkinsville
story sounds really similar to a Dwinday. Now to me, that doesn't mean
that I just believed the Hopkinsville story, But if you if I wanted to
make something uprighter, it'd be really easy to go into these obscure parts of
human history and myth and culture and find something that's credible in the sense or
something that would give credence to my story because it's something that already exists.
It would be really easy to make this stuff up because all you have to
do is regurgitate, Well, I had missing time, I shot the thing,
and the bullets reflected or deflected off of it, and you know this
happened. You can tell the same story and it would sound credible because it
sounds like all the other stories. So on the flip side of what we've
discussed tonight, you can very easily fabricate these stories and they sound really credible.
Yeah, And that just triggered my mind of that cryptid that I was
trying to think of when we were talking the other night. I was trying
to think of the name of it. It's called the Rake. Yes,
the Rake. Absolutely, we've done shows on the Rake before. They it's
like a pale man from Pans Labyrinth kind of like that. But go ahead.
Yeah, the Rake very very interesting, cryptid and I was trying to
think of it while we were getting ready for the show the other day and
I kept slipping my mind. I don't know why I did, because it's
a really easy name to remember, the Rake, But yeah, the Rake
is really interesting and it almost seems like what you were describing of that spiritual
entity as well. And then it also kind of in there with the wind
to go to, except it doesn't have antlers or anything like that. It's
just like a pale, white, strange creature. I saw one of those
many years ago, before I ever knew what it was. I was in
rural Florida, like as about as rural as you can get in Florida,
meth Capital, Florida, and I saw one of those setting in my car
kind of in the middle of nowhere, and I wasn't expecting to see something
just enjoying the sky, and I can see it in my mind today.
I have no idea what it was until years and years and years later I
read and learn it. And this was like two thousand and probably eleven.
I read about the rake and then it's like it triggers that memory. Oh,
I saw that thing. As a matter of fact. In West Virginia,
there's stories that they call them white things. I don't know if you've
ever come across that term. Sometimes they appear as wolves, bears, even
giant badgers, maybe even owls. But rather than kind of being like the
pale man from Pans Labyrinth, these creatures are usually covered in like a sasquatch
like bigfoot like hair, but the hairs completely white. Sometimes they don't have
hair at all. They're more just like corpses. They're said to have like
no blood. They're almost like, I don't know, they're almost like the
walking dead. But this was act. These have actually been seen in West
Virginia and very very close to Morgantown Morgan's Ridge. Back in nineteen twenty nine.
There's a case of a Croatian immigrant named Frank Kosel who was coming home
from a coal mine shift and he went through the woods to get home quicker,
this in nineteen twenty nine, and he saw one of these things in
the woods. This pale, white creature. They call them the white things
in West Virginia. So that's something that you find also all over the world.
And of course, relating to what you're saying, and in regard to
Point Pleasant, by the way, there was a story of this white,
pale man thing being seen in Point Pleasant in nineteen seventy three, so he
or she or whatever it is was also seen in Point Pleasant. They don't
just have the mothman. They also have the pale man or the rake there,
according to stories in the seventies as well. And then you have Injured
Cole, the smiling man that happened around Yeah, let's talk about that.
Let's talk about the incrid Cole. What do you know about that story?
Well, apparently injured Cole. The first setting of injured Cole was I can't
remember the city or the state that he was in, but it was far
away from West Virginia. And there was these two men that were in their
car. They were sitting in their car. Then they saw this man in
what looked like a jumpsuit that had a really weird grin on his face,
and according to this report, the man chased after them, which I think
is just a completely made up story, something that's completely unrelated. But it's
difficult looking up things about injured Cole because he's kind of lumped in with the
smiling man stories. But the popular story of injured Cole is supposedly the same
year that the Mothman sighting happened, and this is like the connection between the
Mothman and injured Coal that people have put together. So also in nineteen sixty
seven, I think that it was before the Mothman siding, or around the
exact same time. Sometime around in December, a couple was driving on the
road toward Parkersburg and Parkersburg, West Virginia, and something landed in the middle
of the road and they stopped their car and this gentleman got out of the
car, and the reports very again, this was a long time ago,
so the reports have been all confused. Some people of the story say that
he was wearing a suit, Others say that he was wearing like a jumpsuit
type thing, But he just had a big fake smile on his face and
like a big grin, and it was kind of permanently just on his face,
and he didn't speak normally. Apparently, Injured Cole spoke telepathically to the
gentleman that was driving the car, saying that he was interested in the people
that live in this area and apparently asked the gentleman for directions telepathically. And
that's the most famous case of injured Cole, and which makes me think of
this connection to the like the black black Eyed children as well. The Black
Eyed children are reported not to speak either in some form of telepathic communication.
What do you know about injured Cole? That's really, honestly all I know.
And I mean I'd have to kind of refresh my memory on that anyway
and read the stories again. I've read that he or she or whatever it
is or was very men in black like, but of course that gets jumbled
up with just regular old government agents. I mean, if government agents came
to your house, I mean, maybe someone's delusional and they and some salesmen
come to their house and might think the you know, the government's coming after
them, and they say they're men in black. And there's a difference between
like the men in black as government agents who are just like working for the
FBI. And then of course these more mysterious almost supernatural like creatures or characters
or whatever they are that are kind of like the watchers in the TV show
Fringe. And then you of course have the story of Ingrid Cold who's injured
calls more like an offshoot of that where the stories, as you said,
of that character get lumped together with the archetype or the myths of the smiling
man or the hat Man. So I mean there is a correlation between these
things. But whether indreed Colt is actually a smiling man or men in black,
I think there's a difference between those two and other than that, I
really don't know. I can tell you though, that many many many many
many many many years ago, writer in West Virginia, I saw that the
hat Man, and I've only seen it one time. And where I saw
it was where I found out later that's exactly where my grandma used to see
it, because it was I think it was her room at my great grandma's
house, her her mom's house in West Virginia and Torldo, West Virginia,
and I saw that thing. My grandma described it to me exactly like I
saw it, and she said, that's what I used to see when I
slept in that room as a kid. So and she didn't like prep me
with it. She actually stopped me explaining what I saw and said, I'm
going to explain what I saw, and you tell me if it sounds familiar.
And I just had experience it and it was exactly what I had seen.
So, you know, maybe I saw Indred Cold. I don't know,
but that was that was also in West Virginia when I was a kid.
Very very real. But what is real is the more philosophical question at
that point. Well, also, Andrew Cole has been mixed up with not
only the Smiling Man but the hat Man, but also valiant Thor. Oh
yes, people, they're still quoting. Yeah, but valiant Thor said it
as a fictional character. I don't care what he said is my what did
big Bird say? I don't care. It's a fictional character. Go ahead,
Yeah, through the mythology of valiant Thor, which I'm gonna have to
look into that more and dig deeper into that and figure out who started that
whole idea of valiant Thora And I have a feeling that it came from Bill
Cooper. I had I heard someone quoting that character at a conference, like
a speaker, like yes, but Valen Door said this and like that's you.
They're quoting this person like they're real, like they've met them or something.
You know. It's it's very strange. It is really strange, and
a lot of people quote Valiant Thora as a real figure. American Horror Story
even did a whole season on that's right, orient thor that's right and the
extraterrestrial connection and that JFK was somehow involved, which was also wrapped up in
Bill Cooper's story and his Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure that was Bill Cooper
that made that whole connection between JFK was assassinated because he knew too much about
UFOs and extraterrestrials, and that he is Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I am
Marilyn Monroe. But American Horror Story did a different version of it, and
it was pretty much saying that JFK had sex with an alien and that JFK
got the alien pregnant or JFK got pregnant by the I don't know, some
weird ass shit, but it's all got lumped into the same type of category.
You got Indra Cole, you got to smile the Man, you got
the hat Man, which I think that there is something really to the hat
Man. I've never seen the hat Man in any kind of physical manifestation,
but I did see him in a sleep paralysis state where he kind of morphed
in behind this guy that was hanging from the ceiling that had a bag over
his head, and then he kind of morphed in. He was a complete
shadow and morphed out from behind the guy that was hanging from the ceiling,
and there was this really weird, anomous, like weird creepy laugh that came
after it. And then I'm seeing this weird lizard like twelve legged creature like
crawl up the side of the wall into the corner, but it had like
a human face and then it turned around and like looked at me. Then
I snapped out of the sleep paralysis. Well, whatever it is that you
see in those states, I mean, if someone I mean, if someone's
really tired, you start hallucinating and it's like you're projecting this unconscious stuff onto
the physical world. You're starting to see things that aren't there, but in
a sense they are there. And I mean that's really I think a large
explanation for a lot of these different kinds of weird sightings. And they often
happen when people are very alone and they're isolated, especially if you fill alone
and isolated, these things can happen quite frequently. They also could be a
result of there's a certain percentage of the population statistically a writer that produces excess
d MT naturally, and that's just a direct gateway into the spirit world if
you will. You can get into a you can release natural DMT in your
brain through breathing exercises, through meditation. Like you don't have to be taken
a substance. And I was talking to Andy Rousse about this the other day
on my show because we're talking about psychedelics and mushrooms and all that, and
I'm like, hey, like, I'll never advocate for the use of any
psychedelic, let alone any type of drug, because you can get into that
state. You can release natural DMT in your brain. You can release natural
binzo diazepe in your brain through doing breath work and breathwork combined with meditation,
and that's the natural way to do it. Like, the substance version is
an artificial version. It's like making a AI rendering of a photo. It's
yeah, it's there, but it's a fake version. Of it. I
didn't know that you thought that. That's how I always have explained it as
well. I would never advocate. I don't advocate for taking those things,
and I never have and I probably never will be. And I don't see
it as closed minded. I see it as I can get into those states
just by reading and really focusing and meditating on what I'm learning to me that
gets me high. I don't need those substances for that. I feel like
those are kind of an easy way to access something that you're not ready to
access. Yeah, and they're always wrong too. Anybody that gets any kind
of prediction from being on any kind of drug, it's like always wrong,
Like the information is always wrong. So what is it that you're tapping into?
Love and light? Man? I mean, you're definitely tapping into something
that doesn't have your best interest at heart. But I feel like if it's
possible, and I've got into those states before, I've almost had a out
of body experience doing breath work at four in the morning. Yeah, you're
supposed to do it at the natural point where you're melatonin is at its highest
and your melotone is being released, and if you're sitting up in like a
cross legged position. Your body isn't going to fall asleep while you're doing the
breathwork because the broathwork releases natural benzo dazepine that makes you naturally sleepy. But
if you're setting up while you're doing it and you're getting into that state like
you can exit your body, I'll tell you something real weird and we're out
of time. I'll let you finish or let people know where you can where
they can find your stuff. Mariah Carey's sister can Mariah Carey's big at Christmas
time coming up on Christmas, Mariah Carey's sister suing their mother, claiming that
their mother took them both, her especially to these rituals when she was a
kid, and she said they took place during the sabots. She didn't say
sabat, she said specific points of the year, so I'd assume sabots like
beltane, Lucna, sad some hayin in bulk and said that they would do
these weird rituals and make the kids watch at about three to four o'clock in
the morning, right around that you know, the witching hour time. So
anyway, Merry Christmas, ryder Lee I thank you for coming on the show
tonight. I appreciate it. My friend last thoughts about a minute, Yes,
just that you know you can define this stuff out for yourself. There's
natural ways to do things. You can like I was mentioning, you can
release natural DMT in your brain. You can release natural benzo diaz apeam.
I would just really highly look into breathwork. Create your own version of breath
work meditation, do it late at night, and you can pretty much get
outside of your body. I came very close to getting outside of my body
before and I haven't been that close since. But I'm looking forward to trying
it in the future because I do know that it's possible. And if you're
interested in checking out more of my work, you can subscribe on YouTube at
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Thanks so much for having me on. Ryan, really appreciate your time.
I'm very fascinating conversation and I hope people were able to follow along.
Thank you. I really appreciate you coming on. This is a really good
conversation and I was actually on your show earlier tonight, so people can find
that with the links that you just gave out. Had a busy day to
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