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Hello, anybody home today, I
want you to open your mind and almost

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kind of the conclusion that the story
is for them, that the massive apple

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can deal with it. We are
improsis of developing who series of techniques two

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bit people actually to love their certitude. We face a hostile ideology, global

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in scope, atheistic in character,
ruthless in purpose, and insiduous in methodore.

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We are opposed around the world by
a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies

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primarily on covet means for expanding its
sphere of influence to change the minds and

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the attitudes and the beliefs of the
people to bring about one world socialistical palitarian

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government. The potential for the disastrous
rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

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It is patterned itself after every dictator
who's ever the whipping imprint of a

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boot on the pages of history,
just the beginning of time. If you

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can get people to consent to the
state of affairs in which they are living,

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then you have a much more easily
controllable society than you would if you

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were relying poorly on clubs and firing
squads and concentration camps tools of conquest.

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That necessarily came with bounds and extortions. For that, there are weapons that

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are simply frights and prejudices to be
found only in the mind. As you

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connect the dots between different people,
organizations, places, religions, history,

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suddenly the picture starts to form.
The Kingdom of God is within men,

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not one man, nor a group
of men, but in all men.

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In you, you, the people, have the power to make this life

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free and beautiful, to make this
life a wonderful adventure. Someone born in

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the United States is not more special
than someone born in Mexico. Someone who

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is white is not more special than
someone who is black. But just there

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cools for the consciousness to experience what
freedom its flavory ignorance. They do not

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want your children to be educated.
They do not want you to think too

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much. It was learned that the
aliens had been and we're then manipulating masses

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of people through secret societies, witchcraft, magic, the acicult and religion.

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You reach into our children in music, television, books, right children's in

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how can I just told? Lies? That are stamped with an efficiency.

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So if you have the opportunity to
stand next to one of these machines,

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it feels like an altar to an
alien god. Genetic power is the most

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awesome forced the planets ever seen.
But you wielded like a kid that's found

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his dad's a gun. You on
the airports at applying there is now in

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the production of the army. Too
many others know what's happening out there,

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and no one, no government agency
has jurisdiction over the truth, any state,

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any entity, any ideology. It
fails to recognize the work, the

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dignity the rights of man that st
is absolute, a case to be found

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under m from mankind in the twilight
sun. About time some of you got

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appointed with the real hard truth.
It's the haw that says I will not

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acquiesce. Freedom is the privilege that
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of mistakes. Don't connect the dots, just the mass of what's all this

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different than last night's show. Did
a show on caffeine, and ironically,

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I think I talked about caffeine so
much last night. I was having like

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heart palpitations before I went to sleep
last night. I haven't had those issues

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since my ablations, so I think
it. Honestly, I think it got

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into like my subconscious and I like
the essence of caffeine. I had these

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like heart falputations. It could have
been that, or it could have been

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I was really frustrated last night because
I was playing I haven't played games like

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video games for a very long time, but I got out Fallout four and

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I was playing Fallout four and then
I switched over to Fallout seventy six and

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I'm playing that and I totally forgot
that I had played it before, and

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I was on level thirty. I
think because I was pretty far in the

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game and I started playing it again
and I realized, like why I didn't

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like it the first time. I
love the game itself because I used to

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live If you never played fall Out
seventy six or maybe you never even heard

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of it. Fallout to a series. There's different locations. It's basically the

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end of the world, this big
war, nuclear war between Russia and China

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and the US and the which is
actually interesting for a lot of reasons with

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current events, it feels like.
But the game itself, the seventy six

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version, is in West Virginia,
and I went to high school in West

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Virginia. A lot of my family's
from West Virginia. Technically, my high

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school is actually in the video game. It's not like a replica, but

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there's like a high school in Morgantown, West Virginia. There's the airport.

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So for me, it's really cool
because it's a lot it would be like

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if they did a game in Saint
Pete, Florida, Tampa and Florida.

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It would be like right there where
I grew up. So I spent a

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lot of time in West Virginia,
and I'm part of the reason I wanted

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to play the game again. And
I realized how I don't really like this

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game because it's so much different than
the other Fallout game. So I was

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getting kind of anxious with it and
frustrated and I think I'm just going to

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go back to fall Out four,
honestly, But I'm looking through this game

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and I forgot that. I knew
that there was a moth Man in the

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game because West Virginia has this incredible
cryptid history. West Virginia has a lot

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of there's a lot of things about
West Virginia. It's like almost like a

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flyover state. But a lot of
people joke about West Virginia. West Virginians,

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you know, we don't have teeth. You know, we have dirt

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floors, stuff like that. It's
like, have you I don't understand.

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West Virginia is like Morgantown's like a
booming city. There's definitely teeth. I

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mean, there might be some dirt
floors. There's probably a lot of there's

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a lot of dirt floors in Florida. I just think those kinds of things

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are funny about West Virginia. But
that's what most people know. It's West

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Virginia. It's West of Virginia.
And I guess that's really about it.

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Maybe if you're like a history buff, you know about Harper's Ferry, maybe

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you know a little bit about the
history of like the Civil War and like

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that. But like West Virginia is
just not people don't really know a lot

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about it. The weird thing is
a lot of people know about the cryptid

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monsters though, like the Mothman or
they know about well, you know about

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Bigfoot. West Virginia has its own
big Foot, and there's a bunch of

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other cryptid creatures. One of my
favorite, if not my favorite, I

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mean, Mothman's great, but I
think my favorite cryptid creature or monster or

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alien or mass hallucination or whatever you
want to call it is a monster called

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the Braxton County Monster, otherwise known
as the flat Woods Monster or the Phantom

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of flat Woods. It may also
go by the name Green Monster. And

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I actually went down to that county
and went to the little museum they had,

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and then also took a trip to
Point Pleasant Mothman home. What was

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about three and a half four years
ago. I did that, and it's

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really fascinating because everything knows Mothman,
there's this other monster not too far away

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that's just as bizarre, just as
terrifying, just as mysterious as Mothman.

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And then if go up north of
Point Pleasant in Braxton, and you go

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just west of Morgantown. Like right
around the corner from Morgantown, it's merely

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like a fifteen minute drive, is
a place called Grafton, and there's a

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famous cryptid monster there too, called
the grafted Monster. Now this monster is

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a little bit more muscular, but
when you look at artists' depictions, and

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I actually have one here in my
studio, the Grafton Monster kind of looks

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like Mothman without wings and without red
glowing eyes. The eyes are black.

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I mean, I've even thought,
oh, that's really interesting. They kind

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of look the same. It's almost
like a like ones a male, one's

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a female. And it's it's like
a two and a half hour it's not

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too too far from Grafton to Point
Pleasant. So you got these monsters there.

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And I was playing fall Out seventy
six and all these monsters are in

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the game. There's a Mothman quest. I haven't done this yet, but

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you run into the Flatwood's Monster sometimes
kind of when you're randomly going through the

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woods. There's also the Wind to
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The Wind to Go is a one
of the many names for a Native American

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spirit that sort of feeds on energy
and feeds on people. Then there's also

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the snally Gaster, which didn't actually
start in West Virginia. The original siding

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is of this snally Gaster. It's
called it's a weird name, snally Gaster.

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It's actually like a it's like a
flying there's different versions of it.

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It's like a flying reptile something like
that. There's been different reports of it.

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It was first reported in Maryland back
in the early nineteen hundreds. It's

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kind of like a bird, a
serpent, and a bunch of other things

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mixed together. Big wings, a
long beak, big claws, a tail.

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They so that they say it tails
like twenty feet longs as a big,

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big creature. There's a lot of
urban legends about it that even the

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Smithsonian. The Smithsonian offered a reward
to anybody who could find evidence of it.

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I'm sure that was some publicity thing
or some urban legend, but no,

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West Virginia has all these incredible stories. And even if you know about

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Mothman, honestly, like I don't
know if people make the connection like Mothman,

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West Virginia, Braxton Monster, West
Virginia, Grafton Monster, West Virginia,

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Snelly guest or West Virginia Bigfoot.
West Virginia, like West Virginia,

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is a hub of not just cryptid
creatures, like you know, big birds

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in Bigfoot. Everybody sees big birds
in Bigfoot, but like Mothman or originally

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Batman, or different names for this
creature, the Braxton Monster, which is

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seen as for some people it's like
a robot. Some people kind of think

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it's like a serpent in a mechanical
suit. There's all kinds of different ideas,

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all kinds of different stories, all
kinds of different theories. But all

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that's in West Virginia. And if
you go and you talk, I mean,

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I don't know who who you talk
to if you win, but you

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talk to some people. This is
what I've been told some people in West

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Virginia, and including people that i've
you know, I've known for a very

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long time, like people I went
to high school with, et cetera.

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They believe that West Virginia, that
particular area of the country, not the

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state, that particular area of the
country is a place where Native peoples have

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always believed it was haunted, like
it was a dimensional gateway or a series

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of dimensional gateways where things come across
and reportedly even a lot of Native peoples

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refused to settle in that general Again, it's not the state line, but

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the general area of West Virginia.
It's a really fascinating history. And I

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don't know too many other people who
know about the Braxton Monster, especially the

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Braxton Monster, so found someone who
does know about it, and a friend

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of ours who've had on the show
many times, Ryder Lee, raised by

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giants and writers, actually from West
Virginia, so he's lived there as well.

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And we're going to talk with Ryan
tonight about the Braxton Monster and about

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all these other cryptids and what it
might mean and what these things might be.

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Right. Welcome to the Secret Teachings. How's it going, Ryan,

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Thanks so much for having me on. It was an amazing introduction. And

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it is really strange how people when
they think of West Virginia as kind of

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like what you talked about, you
know, dirt floors, hillbillies, rednecks,

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and stuff like that, which there
is kind of a part of that

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in the backwoods of West Virginia.
If you go far enough back in there,

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you kind of run across those types
of people. But for the most

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part, it's just a normal kind
of state. And yeah, I am

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from Point Pleasant, West Virginia,
the home of the moth Man, and

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it was really interesting growing up there
because it's a very small town and five

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thousand people, and a lot of
people like to quaint Point Pleasant to using

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the whole Mothman's story to inflate the
city and well, it's not really a

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city as a town and bring tourism
in there. But what they don't realize

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is that wasn't a thing until the
early two thousands. People didn't talk about

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the Mothman. Like the people that
lived in the town. After the Silver

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Bridge collapsed on I believe it was
December fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven, no

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one talked about it and they were
afraid to talk about it because there's also

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connections to the men in black in
the area going in and scaring people.

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You also have injured coal around that
exact same time frame, which is known

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as the Smiling Man, and the
people that lived in Point Pleasant did not

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want to talk about it. It
really did not become popular until the Mothman

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Prophecies movie that came out in two
thousand and two with Richard Greer, and

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it kind of became a sensation again
after that movie, and then after that

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the Mothman statue became a thing and
the Mothman Festival, but that wasn't until

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I believe the first Mothman Festival wasn't
until like two thousand and eight. So

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it's a pretty new thing that Point
Pleasant has kind of been known for.

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It's kind of exactly like the Roswell
event. A lot of these other events

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don't get popularized in mainstream media until
years and years and years after the initial

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event. Yeah, I mean,
the original sightings were back in the sixties,

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right late sixties for Mothman. And
this is West Virginia in the late

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sixties. It's a town that just
like a lot of towns in West Virginia

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today, they might not be opposed
outsiders, but they're not trying to encourage

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people to come there. So in
the sixties in West Virginia, a town's

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not wanting a bunch of people to
flock there. They liked their peace and

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tranquility, I would assume. Yeah. And the Silver Bridge collapse, which

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is the second largest bridge collapse in
United States history, killing forty six people

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and two of them were never found. And this was like right before Christmas,

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the town was completely devastated because the
Silver Bridge connected West Virginia directly into

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Ohio. And after that, no
more sightings of the Mothman. No one

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talked about the Mothman because it was
a very traumatic event. In such a

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small town. Everyone knew somebody that
had passed away or died on the Silver

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Bridge, you know. So it
was a very traumatic event. And I've

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put together some dots on that,
and I have a different theory of what

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happened, and I think it's a
pretty spot on theory that I've never heard

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anyone ever talk about before. I
don't think they've ever put the dots together,

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because again, it's a traumatic event, and whenever you talk about traumatic

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events, people are really kind of
sketchy when you talk about these kinds of

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events in the fashion of my theory, but another thing was, I think

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it was my third cousin be my
grandma's second cousin, so it would be

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my third cousin, I believe,
or something like that. And not to

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adapt on family history, but somewhere
running there twice removed cousin, third cousin

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four thousand, somewhere around in there. I would always hang out at my

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grandma's house, and she was one
of the very first people to ever see

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the mothmam And every time that I
would go to my grandma's house growing up

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and she would be there, I
would ask her to tell me the story

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of her seeing the Mothman, and
she would tell it to me, and

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the story goes from and this is
her telling me personally. This isn't what

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the media turned this event into or
because originally it was called the Birdman,

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and then the Birdman got turned into
the Mothman, and then there was a

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batman too, but because of the
comics, they didn't want to say that,

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right. Yeah, And her experience
was she was out in the TNT

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area, which the TNT Area was
a Air Force base. Is still there.

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You can still go there. There
are these underground bunkers that were used

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for the store ammunition and fuel and
stuff like that. You can still go

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there and go inside them. There's
a whole string of them that are open

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that you can go inside and check
out. Really interesting. But the entire

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area was a Air Force base during
World War Two and her mom lived out

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there and it was kind of late
at night and she had a newborn baby

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in her arms, and she was
walking to her car and she went to

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open the car door. The car
door went and open. She looks to

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her left and she sees a creature
standing there. She described it as a

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owl. She said it looked more
like an owl, but it was standing

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ten feet ten foot tall, ten
foot tall owl. And she described it

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as an owl because its neck kind
of went down into its body. She

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said there wasn't any red eyes.
She said that that was a whole fabrication,

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the whole red eyes thing from the
Mothman. Now this is just her

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testimony, This is just her telling
me this as a kid, right,

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And she said that she was paralyzed, that she couldn't move, and then

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she fell on top of her newborn
baby that was in her arms, and

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she thought that she was suffocating her
baby and killing it because she couldn't move

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while she was on top of her
baby. She just fell right over and

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then she heard what sounded like wings, like wing takeoff, and she said

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that it was really loud and it
just flew away. Then when it flew

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away, she was then able to
move. And then she checked out her

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newborn baby or newborn baby was fine. It was still breathing, and that

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was my first introduction to the moth
man, telling me this story. Your

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grandma explained this to you. How
many years ago was this? This wasn't

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my grandma, This was her explaining
it to me at my grandma's house,

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because where I would see, it's
like a third cousin, uh, in

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the immediate family. I said,
They've lived right down the road from my

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grandma's house, and my mom would
draw me off at my grandma's house in

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order for my grandma to babysit me. And sometime her name was Marcella Bennett.

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Okay, So so that story sounds
to I know that story. You

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even't share that with me yet.
So that story sounds like what we hear

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in a lot of UFO abductions or
alien abductions. People call them plant memories

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of owls. We saw that in
that movie The Fourth Kind. And then

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of course the sleep paralysis, like
you know, you're unable to move,

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But in this case, you know, somebody's awake going to their car,

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but they're hit with the same kind
of paralysis, and there's that potentiality for

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there to be some sort of maybe
called a screen memory or something to that

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effect. But the owl and the
paralysis are very very common in UFO abductions,

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as you know, So there's there's
definitely a correlation between cryptid creatures and

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UFOs. Same thing with fairies and
fairy lore. Fair would shoot you with

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this object and it would paralyze you. There's something happening here across cultures and

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across time, and it's affecting so
many people. I mean, you're from

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Point Pleasant and you've had a family
member tell you this in the past.

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It's really interesting stuff like this is
what does that make you think? Do

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you think there's a correlation or relationship
to the UFOs, to fairies and things

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like that. Well, people in
the area. The gentleman that runs the

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Moth Made Museum, Jeff Walmsley in
Point Pleasant, and his superintendent that is

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there on a daily basis is mostly
into UFOs. And sometimes when I would

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talk to him, you know,
I want to because I was really into

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the paranormal back you know, fifteen
years ago, and I would go in

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and try and talk to him about
the paranormal, and he just wasn't interested.

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He was more interested in UFO sightings, and that time I wasn't really

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into UFOs. So there's definitely a
connection in between what Marcella was telling me

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when I was growing up. She
told me the exact same story every single

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time, and I would ask her
every single time that I was here,

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and she was more than willing to
tell me, and it was your exact

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same way. This had to have
been in early two thousands, probably around

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two thousand and three, two thousand
and four in that area. I believe

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that she died in two thousand and
eight. But she would tell me the

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exact same story every time, and
I know for a fact she believed it,

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and she her story never changed.
And they did throw some things onto

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her, like like she was in
a few documentaries on Fox talking about it,

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and they kind of threw in the
whole red eye thing because that's the

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you know, the trademark of the
Mothman is has glowing red eyes. That's

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right, Yeah, And they kind
of threw that in on her whenever she

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never said that it had red eyes. I talked to a guy one time

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from the Discovery Channel and I had
him on the show twice actually, and

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he did a show with us about
the YETI and he goes to the Discovery

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Channel takes him. He goes to
some of the areas where people have seen

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the yetti, but he's actually investigating
in this documentary. This came out like

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ten years ago. He's actually investigating
the case of the diatlov Pas incident,

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which I know you're familiar with.
Yes, So the Discovery Channel takes him

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to this area and they're doing their
little TV show investigation, which is you

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know nothing. But he he was
a world traveler. He thought that there

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was something peculiar about that story.
So when I had him on the show

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to talk about it, he's said, no, the Discovery Channel added all

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that stuff. They made a fake
noise so they could record it, and

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then they made some They took it
on the computer and they did something to

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it to distort it even more to
make it sound like a yetti call.

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And he said they took pictures of
something in the woods. He said it

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was just a member of the staff
that dressed in a big thick coat and

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went and stood by a tree,
and then they took a grainy picture of

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it for the TV documentary. So
he said, I believe something very bizarre

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happened, but when we went there
was no sign of anything. It was

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all totally made up and fabricated.
I think that's obviously the same case with

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the Mothman, the Red Eyes,
and a lot of the stories we hear

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about Mothman. Something absolutely happened and
maybe even continues to happen. I'm not

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sure, but most of it's kind
of fabricated. That's exactly right, and

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the scenario is no different with the
Flatwoods Monster as well. The media took

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that story and turned it into something
that wasn't happening. The original family the

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sceneid said the the monster was leaning
against the tree. The media turned it

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into that it was floating and levitating. It's really interesting the way the media

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works with these kinds of events,
and the Dyaut Love Pass incident is very

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interesting, but I think that the
more interesting one is the Corvenia incident in

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nineteen ninety three, where six hikers
were also on a Russian mountain and one

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by one they all dropped to the
ground and started foaming at the mouth,

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bleeding out of their ears, bleeding
out of their eyes, and died.

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There was only one survivor of that
event, and that is the only way

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that we know anything about what happened. That's a truly bizarre case. Unlike

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the Dat Love Pass incident, which
lends credence to a bunch of speculation of

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what happened, we have a legitimate
eyewitness to the Corvinia event in ninety three

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and details on exactly what happened.
Both of those events and the Mothman story.

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I've always thought that there's some relationship
maybe too, and it doesn't have

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to be artificial. It could also
be something natural. But I've always thought

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that maybe there was a connection to
frequencies, especially when I read the Mothman

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story. You hear about radios and
TVs malfunctioning, people hallucinating whether they see

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something or not. I mean,
you see something hallucinating or you've really seen

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it. It gets into a little
bit of the philosophy of how we perceive

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reality. But I want to talk
with you about those theories, maybe your

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theory as well, writer, when
we come back from break and then we'll

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talk more about the Flatwoods Monster.
How does that sound sounds great? Let

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Tonight. We are discussing, especially because

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writer is from Point Pleasant, West
Virginia. I lived in Morgantown, West

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Virginia for five years of my life. Most of my family's from West Virginia.

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I actually heard stories when I was
a kid my grandma told me,

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and I had no idea what she
was talking about. This was before I

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really got interested in what I'm interested
in today, but she told me,

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or I remember hearing my grandma tell
other people and talk about the Silver Bridge

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collapse December fifteenth of nineteen sixty seven, and she said she and many other

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people she had kind of like premonition, like dreams of that happening before it

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happened. For those of you who
don't know, the Silver Bridge collapsed killed

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dozens of people, and people plunged
into the waters. The bridge was packed

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with people that night, right before
Christmas, presence and debris floating down the

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river. My grandma said she had
a premonition of that, like she dreamed

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about that, And she wasn't the
only one. A lot of people said

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that they kind of had a premonition
of that, which is what raises some

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speculation, a lot of its speculation. Most of its speculation, but that

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the Mothman, whether Mothman is connected
to Silverbridge or not, maybe that's a

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coincidence, but that there's a connection
to the Angel of Death as real,

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the Angel of Death, the Omen
of Death. You know, Mothman was

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really a Birdman, a batman,
and then became Mothman. Many of the

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things we learn about Mothmen are fabrications, and they are things that are built

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upon the original story, which is
pretty well documented, and everything that we

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know about Mothman today. It's kind
of like a pop culture version of Mothman.

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You have to go back and read
the original police reports, you have

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to go back and read like the
original stories. And it's the same thing

403
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.079
with any kind of cryptid creature.
In West Virginia in particular, though,

404
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:58.880
there are a strange series of events
that have taken place from north to south

405
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:05.319
that all all sound just so otherworldly. From Mothman, which is very famous,

406
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.480
to just a little east you find
Braxton County where there was the flat

407
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.039
Woods Monster we'll talk about tonight.
You go up north near Morgantown, you

408
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.000
get the Grafton Monster, the graft
And Monster to depictions, at least depictions

409
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.039
look like a Mothman without wings.
And since as we just talked about in

410
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:28.359
the first segment, Mothman really didn't
have the red glowing eyes at least according

411
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.759
to some reports, at least according
to our guest's family member. Other people

412
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.920
may have seen red glowing eyes,
but the graft And Monster has these black

413
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.039
eyes and has a head that's sunken
into the shoulders, so there really isn't

414
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:44.359
a neck. I'm looking at two
depictions I have here on my desk of

415
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.599
Mothman and the graft And Monster.
I have them in a little picture frame,

416
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.799
and they look identical, with the
exception of the eyes and the wings.

417
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.440
They're like identical. I've never heard
anybody else make that connection. I've

418
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.319
also never even I've never met another
person who's even heard of the graft And

419
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.720
Monster until I played the Fallout seven
six, which I've been playing recently,

420
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.400
and they have all these creatures from
West Virginia, the Grafton Monster, Mothman,

421
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.639
the Iaho, the white things which
are really creepy, the snaaly Gaster,

422
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:14.800
which began in Maryland but has been
spotted in West Virginia, demon dogs,

423
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.719
thunderbirds. Is all these creatures,
and West Virginia just kind of gets

424
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.840
overlooked. It's all this bizarre,
strange stuff happening. And so that's why

425
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.599
I wanted Ryder to come on the
show tonight and speak with us. Because

426
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:29.840
the the Flatwood's Monster sighting, which
was the main reason I set up tonight's

427
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:35.519
show. It happened in the fall
of the nineteen fifties, about a decade

428
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.119
nineteen fifty two, a decade plus
before the sightings of Mothman and the Flatwood's

429
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.960
monster story is. I think it's
actually probably my favorite monster outside of Mothman.

430
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.840
It's like a race for number one
there for me. But it's a

431
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.880
story that doesn't really get told,
and it took place over a decade before

432
00:34:53.960 --> 00:35:01.440
Mothman, right there in southwestern West
virgin Anyway, writer leaves our guests this

433
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.760
evening, writer, I wanted to
talk a little bit about those Mothmann theories

434
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.559
because I think they probably relate to
the Braxton Monster as well. And also,

435
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.639
as you brought up this other case
of the hikers, because I brought

436
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.360
up the outlive pass, I think
that maybe frequency could be involved. I've

437
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:21.360
always thought maybe there was some sort
of experiment, maybe a military experiment,

438
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.199
some kind of maybe a corporation.
I have no idea, but some frequency

439
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.360
interfering with radio, radio radios,
interfering with TVs, making people see things

440
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:31.599
that aren't there. But I guess
if you see, if you do see

441
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.599
them, there's something there. Even
if you're hallucinating. What do you think

442
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.639
of that? What is your idea? What is your thought? And maybe

443
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:43.679
how that relates and kind of segues
into flatwoods. Well, I had Trey

444
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:49.880
Hudson, which was a DoD security
officer on my show. He's retired now,

445
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.840
and we were talking about the diatlov
past incident in a Corvinia incident in

446
00:35:54.079 --> 00:36:01.039
ninety three, and he said that
the Corvinia incident in ninety seemed like it

447
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:07.880
was a nerve gas agent. He
said that the symptoms that the hikers were

448
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.599
experiencing, you know, falling to
the ground, bleeding out of their nose,

449
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.119
bleeding out of their eyes. One
girl literally bashed her head against the

450
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:22.440
rock until she passed out. Some
of them were taking off their clothes,

451
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.599
just ripping off their clothes. And
he was like, to me, that

452
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:36.159
sounds like some sort of nerve gas
agent that was possibly left around from the

453
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:42.039
Cold War when Russia was doing experimentation
out there. And he said that that's

454
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.639
the way the nerve gas works.
One person gets hit with some form of

455
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.840
nerve gas, the other person goes
up to them, they also get the

456
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.239
nerve gas on them, and then
they start experiencing the exact same symptoms and

457
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.719
then the people that are around them
get close to them, they get some

458
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.840
of the nerve gas on them.
So that's one. Also sounds a little

459
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.639
bit like a microwave weapon too,
because people will take their clothes off,

460
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.480
people will vomit, people will freak
out and sort of hallucinate. That's just

461
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.239
another thought, but go ahead.
Yeah, some people think that Bigfooter Yeti

462
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:20.559
is involved in They believe that bigfoot
in Yeti has this infra sound type of

463
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:29.679
frequency that he can put off that
paralyzes his victims that he's going to attack

464
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:36.719
or Yeah, but when it comes
to Point Pleasant, West Virginia, see,

465
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.960
I have a completely different theory that
I've never been able to tell anyone

466
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:49.760
before. So you're getting you're getting
the scoop here today. The writer exclusive

467
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.519
on Point Pleasant, West Virginia and
the Mothman, so based off of my

468
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:58.480
family member Marsala telling me this stuff
when I was growing up. In her

469
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:05.599
story and her encounter with the Mothman
made me believe her. There was no

470
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.920
reason that I shouldn't have believed or
she was telling me the same story over

471
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.360
and over again. So then I
was like, okay, well there was

472
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:19.719
probably something to it. Now,
regardless if everyone saw what they said that

473
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.480
they saw, it's up in the
air, right, But I do believe

474
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.880
something strange was happening out in the
T and T area. There were reports

475
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.519
of men in black in the area
that was talking to the people that had

476
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.599
filed police reports. They were going
to them, they were threatening them,

477
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.199
telling them to shut up about it, telling them not to talk about it.

478
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:47.360
And then this event the Silver Bridge
collapsed, which the official date for

479
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:55.119
the first mothman sighting was December fifteenth, nineteen sixty six, and just a

480
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:01.760
year later after the first sighting of
the mothman, December fifteenth, nineteen sixty

481
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:08.800
seven is when the Silver Bridge collapsed, so directly a year after the first

482
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:16.800
sighting, the Silver Bridge collapse and
kills forty six people. Now to understand

483
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.119
what was happening. Back then,
the community and the people of the town

484
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:28.519
were all gung ho about going out
into the T and T area and finding

485
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:34.119
this monster that has been reported by
several people. It's the most documented cryptid

486
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.360
creature case of all time. They
were very gung ho about it. They

487
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.920
had their pitchforks out there. What
West Virginia Justice, Yeah, they had

488
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.239
torches. They were all going out
in the ten T area, and the

489
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.360
men in black show up. They're
like, hey, we need to put

490
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:54.719
a lid on this whole thing.
And my personal belief, there's no proof

491
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.599
to it, no evidence to it, but it makes a lot of sense.

492
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:08.199
I believe that what they did is
they purposely brought down the Silver Bridge

493
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:16.599
to distract people from the teen T
area and the mathman for whoever to go

494
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:27.679
out there, some team of military
officials, some team of black budget government

495
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.039
officials, somebody to go out there
to the teen T area and take care

496
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.960
of the mathman. Okay, so
your theory, based on growing up and

497
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.280
hearing these stories, you're saying you
think that maybe the military took out the

498
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:44.760
bridge or something to that effect in
order somebody, somebody took out the bridge,

499
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.119
whether regard whether it was military,
whether it was through letter organizations,

500
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:53.800
whether it was the government, whoever
it was, they purposely took out the

501
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.760
bridge to distract the people, to
create that trauma, so therefore they would

502
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.960
completely forget about the creature in the
woods. What was the official story,

503
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.480
because it was like it took them
about four or five years to come up

504
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.760
with an explanation for why it collapsed. And they say that there was one

505
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.360
of the eyebars or a joint of
the eyebars broke. It was like C

506
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.719
thirteen. People like, oh,
it's thirteen, unlucky. That was the

507
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:21.679
official explanation, correct, Yeah,
the official explanation was that there was a

508
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.840
faulty beam in the one of the
eyebars. There was a faulty eyebar in

509
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:31.119
the bridge, and that's the explanation
of why it collapsed. And after that

510
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:38.519
event, it really changed the way
that bridges were built in the United States.

511
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:45.079
They had to have several inspections.
They reinforced them a lot better after

512
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.360
the collapse of that bridge. But
it makes sense to me that if you

513
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:55.400
would want to distract people from this
weird monster, this weird creature that several

514
00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.519
people have been reported to have seen
in the T and T area, in

515
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:06.559
the small town in West Virginia,
the easiest way to do that is to

516
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.920
create some kind of tragedy. I
also think it's interesting because I don't I

517
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.440
don't know. I don't think anybody
has any confirmation on what happened. That's

518
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.880
why we're still talking about this story
all these years later. When I think

519
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.840
of some of the stories I heard
about frequencies like you know, radios being

520
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.400
garbled. I also think that that
sounds very similar to the sleep paralysis type

521
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:38.320
symptoms, to the to the sightings
of owls as screen memories relationship that has

522
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:45.199
to fairy abductions. When you have
UFO sidings, I mean there's there's oftentimes

523
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:52.000
either missing time or you have electrical
disturbances, which are common with both kind

524
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.559
of classical nuts and bolts UFOs.
Also with orbs balls of light there are

525
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.800
electrical disturbances, so that certainly,
I mean plays into this as well.

526
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.480
I mean that there's just so many
different paranormal supernatural aspects to this. I

527
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.039
hear your theory, I've never I've
never heard that from anybody. You're the

528
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:13.880
first person to say that first time
I've ever heard that theory on what happened.

529
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:20.440
And it makes one hundred percent since
because after the Silverbridge collapse of nineteen

530
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.679
sixty seven, no one talked about
the Mothman. It's like the Mothman just

531
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.480
vanished in the history. No one
cared about it anymore because obviously the Silver

532
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.159
Bridge collapsing and forty six people dying, two of them were never found.

533
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:44.119
Was a very traumatic event, especially
for a super small town, super small

534
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.360
town of five thousand people. You
knew someone that was on that bridge.

535
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.599
You probably had some sort of family
that died on that bridge. So it's

536
00:43:52.639 --> 00:44:00.880
the perfect distraction to for whoever to
go out and to the teens area and

537
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:05.440
take care of whatever was really out
there, because it was never cited again

538
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.159
after that, and no one talked
about it after that until the Mothman Prophecy's

539
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.559
movie with Richard Greer, which brought
about a new excitement for it, and

540
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.119
then the Mothman statue was put in
the middle of town and in the middle

541
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.880
of downtown, and then the Mothman
Festival. Then all of a sudden,

542
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:24.360
it becomes this tourist attraction. As
you said earlier, it's the same thing

543
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:29.760
with Roswell, and a lot of
other similar types of cases were years and

544
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:35.360
years later than it becomes a tourist
destination, especially for paranormal folks or cryptid

545
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:42.880
folks. And you find Bill Moore
created the whole Roswell incident from his book

546
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:47.280
in nineteen eighty and Roswell happened in
nineteen forty seven, So what is that,

547
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.760
uh seven three decades, yeah,
three decades later, almost identical to

548
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.559
the Mothman story. So this whole
story whatever it is, like, I

549
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.000
don't know, you have a theory, but you admit like you don't know.

550
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:04.880
There's no evidence or proof of really
any of this. It's a lot

551
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.039
of speculation. That's what makes it
a good story, good mystery, and

552
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.400
it makes it right for a well
controlled speculation. But if we go east

553
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:17.440
of Point Pleasant, you find another
place, Braxton County, with the flat

554
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.840
Woods Monster. And this is something
that you and I were discussed on the

555
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.639
phone the other night. You know, the folks that made the Fallout seventy

556
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.360
six video game, they clearly did
a lot of research about West Virginia.

557
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.039
They've included Mothman in that game.
They included the Grafton Monster in that game,

558
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.960
Bigfoot, demon, dogs, thunderbirds, and a bunch of I don't

559
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:38.480
know if there's thunderbirds in the game, but there's thunderbirds in West Virginia that

560
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.920
have been seen. That's a native
lore, native legend. But they included

561
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.480
most of these cryptids in the snaly
Gaster in the in the video game,

562
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.960
and one of them is the flat
Woods Monster, and the Flatwoods Monster is

563
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.679
something I've really never met another person
who's ever even heard this story. You

564
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:59.800
being so close having been from Point
Pleasant, anybody you ever talked to heard

565
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.920
of Flatwood's Monster. What do you
know about this story? Well, in

566
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.639
complete honesty, I had never heard
of it either until you brought it up,

567
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:15.039
and I was really intrigued by it. So I believe it was nineteen

568
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:24.159
fifty two. Two brothers, Edward
and Fred May and their friend Tommy said

569
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:30.519
they saw a bright object across the
sky and land on a property of a

570
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:37.039
local farmer. The boys then went
to back home. They went back home

571
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.679
to their mom's house, where they
told their story and their mom I think

572
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:47.119
her name was May, and she
decided to take the three boys and local

573
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:52.119
children. I believe one of them
was named Neil and another one was named

574
00:46:52.159 --> 00:47:00.920
Ronnie, and also were accompanied by
a National Guardsman of West Virginia I named

575
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:07.199
Eugi Lemon. They went to the
farm where the boys saw this bright light,

576
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:15.559
weird, strange light land and they
started searching the woods for the thing

577
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:22.000
that the boys said that they had
seen. The group reached the top of

578
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:30.360
a hill where they said that they
saw a Paulsene red light and Lemon said

579
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:37.639
that the National Guardsman Eugene Lemon said
that he aimed his flashlight in the direction

580
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:44.880
of where the light was coming from
and saw a tall manlike figure with a

581
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:54.119
round red face surrounded by a pointed
like hood shape. And this is where

582
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:59.679
things get a really weird turn.
Media gets a hold of it, they

583
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:07.239
turn it into something completely different.
There was an article in Fate magazine which

584
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:13.440
I thought was really interesting because when
I was researching this and looking into the

585
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:20.519
Flatboos monster, Fate Magazine sounded really
familiar, and I remember looking into it

586
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:28.039
before surrounding a UFO cult, and
I remembered in nineteen sixty two, there

587
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:36.079
was this UFO cult called the Markage
cult with Gloria Lee in the early sixties,

588
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:43.039
and she basically grew her cult following
through Fate magazine, which is a

589
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:51.159
monthly occult magazine. And a little
side note on Gloria Lee, not trying

590
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.199
to take away from the story here, it's just interesting connection. She ended

591
00:48:53.280 --> 00:49:00.639
up creating a plan for world peace
and a space station design and took these

592
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:06.360
plans to Washington, DC in nineteen
sixty two, trying to get the attention

593
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.920
of government officials and the government didn't
listen, and then she launched a hunger

594
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:16.800
strike protest and told others in the
UFO contact de community of that time that

595
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:22.719
she expected to enter into a coma
resembling death and then return and then be

596
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:30.039
reborn with renewed spiritual energy and all
of the psychic powers to carry on our

597
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:36.840
missions. That's very artypical. And
after approximately sixty six days without eating,

598
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.920
she was then taken to George Washington
University Hospital and died there in nineteen sixty

599
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:47.000
two at the age of thirty six
from starvation. Aliens didn't help her,

600
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.159
no, not at all. But
I just thought that that was an interesting

601
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:55.719
connection air while I was looking into
Into the Flatwoods, Monster and Fate magazine

602
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:02.119
basically blowing this story up, and
they also had that big story with Gloria

603
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.360
Lee. They basically made her really
popular in the early sixties as well.

604
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.920
But it was described by Back to
the flatwe was mouster really quick. So

605
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.800
it was described by the Maze family
that the figure was approximately ten feet tall

606
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:25.880
with a round blood red type face
with a hood like shape around its face.

607
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:37.400
I like shapes which emitted a green
reddish orange light and a dark black

608
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.159
or green body I actually have,
as you're describing it, I have a

609
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.840
porcelain candle holder that's a brax and
monster. I'm looking at it. You're

610
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:51.360
describing it pretty well. And May
described the figure as having a small,

611
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:59.559
small claw like hands, which then
people took that to mean that it was

612
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:05.880
because the explanation for what they saw
with the flat Woods Monster was that they

613
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.199
saw a barn owl, Like,
are you kidding me? Okay, so

614
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:15.119
people in West Virginia that are very
familiar with the woods who live in the

615
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:22.280
rural community know what a freaking owl
looks like. You know, an owl

616
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:28.079
can't be ten foot tall. But
it's interesting the connection there that people claiming

617
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.440
that it was an owl. When
Marcella, my family member, said that

618
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.920
the mothaman look like an owl,
a tin foot tall owl. Yeah,

619
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.559
that's that's really interesting. And by
the way, if anybody wants to see

620
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.920
what this thing looks like, it's
really simple to find it. Just type

621
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.639
in flat Woods Monster. There's a
lot of artist depictions, but even if

622
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.039
you go to the History Channel,
they have the original photograph of Kathleen May

623
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.800
and Gene Lemon with the artists rendering
of what it looks like. Actually have

624
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.119
original scan of that here in my
wall too. But you can see what

625
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.000
this thing looks like the way that
writer's describing it. It has almost like

626
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.719
a it's like a tear drop flame
at the top, which I've actually never

627
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.599
thought of this until right now,
writer, But I read the Carl Young

628
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:15.039
UFO book, which I have to
strongly recommend to everybody. Get a copy

629
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.679
of Carl Young's UFO book and read
that. It will blow your mind.

630
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.159
He talks about the archetype of the
tear drop shape coming down from heaven,

631
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.320
and this is a very very very
common UFO story, is the tear drop

632
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.440
UFO or anything that comes down,
you know, rain droplets, gold coins,

633
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.920
which was a big thing people saw
in Europe. Until right now,

634
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:39.320
I didn't realize that. But this
story of the Flatwoods Monster also has part

635
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.840
of that archtypical symbolism associated with it
because of the way that its head looks

636
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:52.000
or the way that it was described. And also balls of fire peopleribe seeing

637
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:57.039
balls of fire dropping from the sky
and landing, so it's kind of a

638
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:01.559
combination of both. I've heard many
people talk about, you know, in

639
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:07.840
the sixties and the seventies, they
would just see large balls of fire come

640
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:14.000
out of the sky and land in
the tree line, and that's what this

641
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.719
creature's head supposedly kind of looked like. It was kind of like a fleaming

642
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.239
type of head. They never really
described it being like fire. But there

643
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:30.000
was another report after Oh well,
I want to finish up with May's description

644
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:36.400
here. So May described the figures
having the small claw like hands, which

645
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:42.280
then people thought that they mistaked it
for a barn owl. But she also

646
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:49.199
said that the clothing had like folds
and a head that resembled an ace of

647
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:54.639
spades. And according to the story, when the figure then made like a

648
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:01.639
hissing sound and glided toward the group, Lemon screamed and dropped a flashlight,

649
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:09.719
chasing the group away. Apparently,
now a lot of that was then was

650
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:17.119
embellished. The original story from the
family never said that it glided toward them.

651
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:25.079
They said that it was leaning against
a tree that they're and also was

652
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:31.039
described later on through news articles and
magazines that they had a they smelled a

653
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:37.320
really sulfur like weird smell, but
that through my research that was never really

654
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:43.800
confirmed either. And also through the
news media and these newspapers and these magazines

655
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.960
were also talking about how the smell
made the family really nauseous and they got

656
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.000
sick and they started throwing up and
puking. And another thing the news people

657
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.360
said is that the dog that was
with them got killed as well. Yeah,

658
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.400
that was all. That's the story
I've always heard. I never knew

659
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.280
it was true, but I've always
heard that the dog got really sick and

660
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:06.960
they had smelled this really weird,
putrid smell. Yeah, the dog apparently

661
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.920
was with them and ran up to
this creature, but then immediately turned back

662
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:19.440
and ran away. The official story
from the family, there wasn't a smell,

663
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:24.760
the dog didn't get murdered. Those
things were added as embellishment to the

664
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:30.000
story. Now do you think the
media, do you think it's possible after

665
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.840
the fact that maybe if it was
something relating to I've heard relating to the

666
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.880
militarya down satellite, something to that
effect. But this was again, this

667
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.639
was in the fifties, so a
little bit different with the technology back then.

668
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:47.760
Would you say that it's possible that
if people were maybe intimidated to kind

669
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:51.679
of embellish the story or to say, well, we didn't really see those

670
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.039
things, or kind of change the
story in the same way that if you're

671
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:59.920
right about the Silver Bridge collapse,
if there was some kind of malicious and

672
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.239
to destroy that bridge, kill people
to distract from Mothman, which was certainly

673
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.119
a real phenomenon, that perhaps there
was something similar happening in a decade plus

674
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:13.840
before that in Braxton County. Maybe
the military somebody kind of threatened those families

675
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.519
and got them not to talk about
it to kind of prevent whatever it was

676
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.679
from really becoming public knowledge. Is
that possible to you? Do you have

677
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.159
thoughts on that? That's very possible. There was another case that I was

678
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.559
studying while I was studying this one, which was really interesting. It's called

679
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:37.960
the Infilled Monster. I've heard of
the Yeah, it happened in Illinois on

680
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:43.440
the night of uh I think it
is in April, in April nineteen seventy

681
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.840
three. Can you actually hold that
thought. We're going to take a quick

682
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.320
break and we'll come back with that
story. Absolutely, it's a very interesting

683
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.760
story. So stay tuned, Stay
tuned. Is that and that's the Infilled

684
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.719
Monster Illinois? Yes, okay,
we'll come back with that story with Rider

685
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.239
Lee our guests receiving. I'm Ryan
Gable. This is the secret Teachings.

686
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:06.400
I hope that you're enjoying the show
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687
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.760
tonight on the Mothman in the Flatwood's
monster, probably something you never heard before,

688
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.199
at least writer's theory, and some
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689
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.079
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A collection of question marks, no
reason, no explanation, just a prolonged

727
00:59:54.960 --> 01:00:00.199
nightmare in which fear, loneliness,
and the unexplainable walk hand in hand the

728
01:00:00.239 --> 01:01:12.000
shadows. It's the Secret Teachings on
ground Zero Radio. What's the likelihood that

729
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:16.559
there are big animals that have gone
undetected by scientists and by trained observer?

730
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:24.960
The Scots have Nessy monstrously hiding in
its Highland Loch Nepal has the abulminably unverified

731
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:30.639
Yetti. Even New Jersey has its
own devil roaming the pine barrens, hell

732
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:36.800
bent on scaring the Jesus out of
unsuspecting campus. And here in majestic Iceland,

733
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:43.480
there aren't the elves. There are
lots of undiscovered things, particularly in

734
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:49.400
the natural world. This bridge in
the surrounding woods are said to harbor a

735
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.599
dark entity, a demon that is
half goat and half man. The goat

736
01:01:53.639 --> 01:02:00.239
man is said to have quote glowing
empty eyes quote and goat likes. But

737
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:06.199
he says Bigfoot walked right by it. They had gray hair. Great Beard

738
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:14.280
come down here when they had long
paradis yows great He says he spotted the

739
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.760
creature one night when he was startled
by his dog's barking, and he peered

740
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:22.239
out the window and there it was. A description was a bipedal wolf like

741
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.000
creature that appeared to be predominantly bare
skin, though there was hair in some

742
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:32.119
parts of the body. They described
the face as evil with visible teeth.

743
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.000
My son stated that it was ever
bit as tall as the van he was

744
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:43.440
driving. They continued on their way, praying that they would not break down.

745
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:52.559
When you hear the first he must
closer eyes, opening your eyes on

746
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:12.880
he gets in his head like a
virus. He takes some he Drave's mouth.

747
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:22.760
Once you see him, would you
see him? It's a monster from

748
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.119
a non dimentioned It's so ancient that
he doesn't even know it's true home.

749
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.239
It enslaved racism, but the dimensions
by taking over their brains using it's highly

750
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:36.760
developed ionic power. The goat manes
a elves. What's the likelihood that there

751
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:43.840
are big animals that have gone undetected
by scientists, by trained observers. You

752
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:50.920
are listening to the Secret Teachings Radio. I'm your host Ryan Gable. Tonight

753
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:57.239
Rider Lee joins us to discuss the
moth Man, the flat Woods Monster,

754
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:03.880
the Grafton Monster, the Snalygaster,
the Bigfoot, all the strange and peculiar

755
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:11.960
and mysterious creatures, monsters, cryptids, aliens who knows what they are that

756
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:16.199
have been seen in the state of
West Virginia, even going back prior to

757
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:21.320
West Virginia being a state that general
area, and a handful of other stories

758
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:27.559
as well we'll get into this hour, including the Infield monster in Illinois,

759
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.440
the Cliffhanger. We left you with
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So we've gone from Point Pleasant a
couple of hours east to Braxton County,

781
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:16.880
which is just south of Grafton,
Fairmont and Morgantown, where, according to

782
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:24.920
my oldest friend I've been friends for
well since tenth grade. We talk all

783
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:30.920
the time. He said, there
are still bigfoot sightings routinely on the outskirts

784
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.639
of Morgantown. All I mean,
West Virginia is mostly woods, so they

785
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:39.159
have big foot sightings. It's so
common that people just it's just like going

786
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:44.480
outside and seeing a deer. Really, I haven't talked to him about that

787
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:45.639
for a while. I might bring
that up to him this week and ask

788
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.400
him when's the last time someone saw
something like that. But you know,

789
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.800
if you're in the woods too,
people see a lot of weird stuff in

790
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:56.119
the woods. It's disorientinge. But
these stories we're talking about is not are

791
01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:00.960
really particular. We don't know exactly
what is the origin of the story,

792
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:08.360
what level of involvement the military has. We don't know if there are chemicals

793
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.920
involved, frequencies involved, mass delusion. There are so many different possibilities,

794
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.400
but we're trying to take a unique
approach to these stories. Of course,

795
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:24.360
the flat Wood's Monster story fall of
nineteen fifty two, that was many years

796
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:30.599
before the Mothman, and that was
about again two hours east. The Mothman

797
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.960
story took place in December, so
it is the fall of the veil,

798
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:41.639
and when that veil falls was in
the fall of Man. Perhaps these creatures

799
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:46.280
come through to our side of reality. Rider Lye, as I said,

800
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:50.679
as our guest raised by giants on
YouTube. You can find him righterly is

801
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:56.119
from point pleasant and writer. We
were going to talk about the infielled monster

802
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.719
in relationship to the Flatwoods Monster.
I was actually reading an arty at Break

803
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.800
published this year. Twenty twenty three. Local news station in Illinois was calling

804
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:14.039
the infilled monster a mob delusion or
like mob mentality that people think they saw

805
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:17.439
something and so the whole mob just
agrees, like mass hysteria, mass delusion,

806
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.079
that they saw something. So what
do you know about the Infilled Monster

807
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:24.880
and how does that relate as well
to these cryptids in West Virginia. Well,

808
01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:31.920
I think the Infilled Monster's original story
it came from Henry McDaniel, and

809
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:39.479
I personally believe that his story is
very credible. I mean, there was

810
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:45.920
physical evidence that was left behind from
this monster that he claimed to have seen,

811
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:54.039
so I believe that it was around
ten PM or so eleven eleven PM

812
01:08:54.479 --> 01:09:00.800
later in the evening of nineteen seventy
three, Henry heard a scratching sound at

813
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.680
his front door. He looked out
he saw something that he thought might be

814
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:12.239
a bear. See what happens is
when these people use the scriptors to describe

815
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.880
what they saw, the skeptical people
come in and say, oh, well,

816
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.520
that must have been what you saw
in you know, it's sort of

817
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:30.640
almost identical to what's his name the
first person that saw the UFOs in Washington

818
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.880
in nineteen forty seven. I'm blinking
on his name right now, but he

819
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:41.039
basically said that what he saw,
he described it as sorcerers, you know,

820
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:47.640
like sorcerers and how they Arnold,
right, Yeah, saucers move across

821
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.159
the water. And then the media
just ran with, oh, well,

822
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:56.960
it was what he saw was flying
saucers. He never saw it, said

823
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:01.039
that he's seen flying saucers. The
media just took that. He said that

824
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:05.760
it was saucer like that he meant
that he saw flying saucers. They actually

825
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:10.760
were chevron. They were triangular and
they skipped. He said, it's like

826
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.680
they skipped across the air like water, like a saucer and water. But

827
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.920
yeah, they were chevron. They
weren't even disc like exactly in the media.

828
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:26.399
And the reason that we think that
the UFOs are a disc and saucer

829
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.399
like like those original UFOs is all
because of the misinterpretation that the media took

830
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:36.720
from Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven, and it's completely been blown out a

831
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:41.039
portion, and that's what said,
that's what people started the sea. And

832
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:45.520
then after the intelligence agencies and the
military in the early nineteen fifties, which

833
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.239
we've talked about with Mirajeman before,
then you start to get all these Hollywood

834
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.880
movies that are producing this content about
flying saucers people from other planets, and

835
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.840
that's like Carl Jung said the same
thing. It kind of creates this this

836
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:01.760
mythology, and that becomes our ufo
reality when the origin of these stories is

837
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:09.760
nowhere near what we think they are. So Henry had a gun in a

838
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:15.640
flashlight. He headed outside. It
was really windy that night. He saw

839
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:24.159
a strange creature between two bushes.
He said it had three legs on it,

840
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:30.960
a short body, two short arms, and had two pink eyes what

841
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:38.560
looked like as big as flashlights.
It stood four and a half feet tall.

842
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:43.439
It was grayish collared, and he
also said that it almost sort of

843
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:49.680
had like a human body. And
McDaniel fired four shots at this creature.

844
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:58.159
One shot hit him and caused him
to make a hissing sound almost identical to

845
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:03.000
what was reported from the maze in
the flat Woods Monster. They said that

846
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:08.319
it made some sort of hissing sound
before it chased some which we don't really

847
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:13.399
know if that's real or not because
of the media and the newspapers and stuff,

848
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:18.760
which McDaniel called the After the sighting
and after he shot this creature,

849
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:28.920
he called the local authorities who discovered
footprints near the house, which they described

850
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:38.680
as dog like in shape, but
it had six toes footprints has six toes

851
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:45.279
and they said an analysis of the
footprints correct. Yes, And people said

852
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:50.319
that there was no living animal that
is known that had a print like this.

853
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:58.479
But then another person from a university
studied it and then said that it

854
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:02.079
was more than likely and an ape
track. Well, where are there freaking

855
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:06.840
apes in Illinois? You think apes
are just indigenous to Illinois and they're just

856
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.560
wild apes are roaming around Illinois.
Six toad apes. Yeah, they're very

857
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:16.199
common in Illinois. Six toad apes. And then another other skeptical people said

858
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:19.840
that it was a kangaroo, like
are you kidding? Mean, like,

859
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:26.640
that's the worst description that you could
possibly ever had, that a kangaroo that

860
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:32.680
only live in Australia and the island
of New Guinea was somehow out in Illinois.

861
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:38.079
People might say, well, what
if it was an experiment gone wrong

862
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:42.079
and it got loose, some plumb
island type thing. Writer, Well,

863
01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:45.720
I mean, there's it could be. I mean, who knows. But

864
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:49.199
McDaniel fired four shots at this thing
and one of them hit him, and

865
01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:55.920
then it ran away and it made
this hissing sound and McDaniel said that it

866
01:13:56.039 --> 01:14:00.880
kind of leaped, it kind of
jumped and it covered fifty feet in three

867
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:06.079
jumps, which, again him making
that description of the way that it moved,

868
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:11.640
led people to believe that it was
a kangaroo, because the only known

869
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.720
animal that we know that jumps like
that it could possibly maybe jump that kind

870
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:21.000
of distance and hops like that,
is a kangaroo. But a wild kangaroo

871
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:28.479
in Illinois, and the only place
that kangaroos are indigenous to are in Australia

872
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:31.399
and New Guinea makes zero sense.
Yeah. I mean, even if someone

873
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:33.560
was to say, well, maybe
it was an ape that escaped from a

874
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:38.520
lab, I don't really know any
research that's done on kangaroos and laboratories,

875
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:43.000
especially in Illinois, so that also
wouldn't add up. But this story,

876
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:45.920
as you're linking it slightly to flat
woods, this story also reminds me,

877
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:50.880
and I'm not exactly sure what I
think of the people involved with this story,

878
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.159
but it reminds me of the nineteen
fifties ninety eighty five k's of the

879
01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:59.319
hopkins Ville encounter with these little goblin
like creatures because they had the very large

880
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:02.039
eyes, they were very short and
small goblins or elf like, and they

881
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:05.800
were shot at supposedly and bullets just
ricocheted off of them. So I don't

882
01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:09.119
know if you know much about that
story, but it sounds very similar to

883
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:15.920
the Hopkinsville Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. Well. The police considered McDaniel to be very

884
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:20.800
rational in his right mind and sober, not drinking, not on any drugs

885
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:28.000
in his retelling and reporting of the
incident, and the police said the police

886
01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:31.000
also examined the footprints of this monster
as well and said that it was similar

887
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:35.000
to a dog's footprint. It had
six toes. And another thing that's interesting

888
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:41.840
is that there were hair. There's
hair from this monster by the prince as

889
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:48.520
well. And they also found McDaniel's
screen door all thrashed and broken up and

890
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:53.159
scratches. They didn't think he did
that or planted the hair. They thought

891
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:58.479
he was credible. Yeah, the
police thought that he was a credible witness.

892
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.239
Do you do you think that there's
any relationship at least with the description

893
01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:05.199
of the creature to the Hopkinsville case
or do you not know much about that

894
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:11.880
one. I'm not too sure on
the Hopkinsville case. They I am familiar

895
01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:17.359
with a little bit of the goblin
mythology and lore, and it does sound

896
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:25.920
very similar. This creature that McDaniel
described was no taller than four feet tall.

897
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:30.600
How tall were these goblins reported to
be? There were there were different

898
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.600
different descriptions. I've read just a
couple of feet, so two to four

899
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.239
or five feet, I mean they
were they were relatively small. I think

900
01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:41.600
what the average mail is like five
to seven, about half that size.

901
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:45.880
They were maybe even around half that
size. So yeah, probably come to

902
01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:50.479
your waist just a few feet.
Well, McDaniel said that if anyone ever

903
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:57.640
finds this creature that they would find
more of them. Oh well, well,

904
01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:00.039
I'm sorry. Yep. It's interesting
you're talking about this story because you

905
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.439
mentioned the owl in the case of
your relative in Point Pleasant. You mentioned

906
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:09.239
the owl because that was part of
the story in flat Woods, And although

907
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:13.960
this particular Infield case doesn't have an
owl, the owl was also used as

908
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:15.680
an excuse in the Hopkinsville case.
They said, well, that was just

909
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.640
an owl that you shot at and
the bullets ricocheted off of it. They're

910
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:23.399
using an owl as an excuse in
that case too, So that's a common

911
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:27.439
theme, by the way. Yeah, and a barn owl doesn't get ten

912
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:32.079
foot tall. But in the case
of the not the Infield but the Flowboys

913
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:40.520
monster. They said that supposedly the
owl had that it was kind of obstructed

914
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:44.560
by shrubbery and stuff, and it
was made to seem like it was a

915
01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:49.039
lot longer than you know, what
it was. And that's another case that

916
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:58.000
may have got the media and the
skeptics and the people thinking that it was

917
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:04.319
something different. Whenever may describe the
creature having the like the talon type kind

918
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:11.199
of arms, kind of what owls
have as well. Now, yeah,

919
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:15.079
go ahead, no I was gonna
say this is I'm sure there's gonna be

920
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.399
some somebody who would say, well, yeah, but there's different kinds of

921
01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:21.159
owls, and one owl might be
bigger than the other owl. Maybe they

922
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:25.520
misidentified, you know, there's different
kinds of owls. It's like, still,

923
01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:28.840
I don't the difference is like in
flat woods, you know, this

924
01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.399
was a ten foot tall owl,
very very large if it was an l

925
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.079
And then in the case of the
Hopkinsville story, you've got a creature very

926
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:40.000
similar to the Infield story, and
this creature is only like two foot tall.

927
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:44.000
So you've got a range of owls
I guess in the the East part

928
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:45.880
of the United States that are between
two and ten feet tall. I've never

929
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.560
seen an owl that big, but
it seems to be a really easy excuse

930
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:54.960
to just dismiss something that's unbelievable.
Yeah, they're feeding those owls GMO foods

931
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:57.880
and pumping them up with antibiotics.
Ryan, that's how I put them to

932
01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:00.439
be that big. Of course,
of course there gmode owls. Yeah,

933
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:04.640
put that on YouTube and start selling
that. That's theory. That's what everyone

934
01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:08.920
is seeing nowadays. Now, what's
interesting with the I don't mean they keep

935
01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:12.880
jumping back and forth between these events. It just okay, it makes I'm

936
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.239
falling along. I think the listeners
are to go ahead, I get it.

937
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:19.920
I understand it's just tricking my memory
from as we're speaking here, and

938
01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:25.119
I keep going back and forth.
Hope people can follow along. But the

939
01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:30.239
the flat Woods Monster, there was
another incident that was reported after the original

940
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:38.560
incident with the May family that was
a were these two girls that was going

941
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:43.880
to walk to a store really late
at night, and they decided to cut

942
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:49.119
through the woods and one of the
girls seeing something that looked like a fire,

943
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:56.199
like someone was, you know,
having a bonfire, and the closer

944
01:19:56.319 --> 01:20:01.920
that they got to it, it
then turned into this more human like form

945
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:10.199
and then like floated after them and
chased them back to their house and went

946
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:17.520
to their gate. And this story
was recounted with a strange smell, a

947
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:23.439
sulfur like smell. It was chasing
after them, It was like floating after

948
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:28.439
them, and the descriptions that they
described were almost identical to the Flatwoods Monster

949
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:34.840
that the May family seen this but
this supposedly happened before, though it was

950
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:41.239
reported after. And then there was
another incident that was said to have occurred

951
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:46.840
a day after the May family the
original sighting of the Flatwoods Monster, though

952
01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:54.960
this one wasn't reported until three years
after the original Maze encounter, around twenty

953
01:20:55.000 --> 01:21:00.520
miles away in a place called Strange
Creek, which it's a very interesting entitled

954
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:08.079
to experience something strange. It was
George and Edith Zewinski Zolenski or something like

955
01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:11.319
that was their last name, with
their year and a half old son,

956
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.680
were driving and their car died and
George got out the check he had the

957
01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:21.199
hood of the car open. And
then reports vary on this one as well,

958
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:26.760
because again it was reported three years
after the original event of the Flatwood

959
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:30.600
Monster in the May family. Some
say that a weird, strange ball of

960
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:35.079
light came out of the forest and
the surrounding woods and landed on top of

961
01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:39.880
their car, and then they got
into their car and then drove and then

962
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:43.880
somehow their car started back up.
Another one was that it was a strange

963
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:46.920
monster that came out of the woods
and then tried to attack them, and

964
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:51.359
then was attacking their car, and
then he got back in in his car

965
01:21:51.840 --> 01:22:00.359
started up. So there's a lot
of different stories and explanations to what happened.

966
01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:06.399
But there were supposedly three encounters of
the Flatwood was Monster, though one

967
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:13.479
was reported to happen before the original
story, and then another one was reported

968
01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:16.680
to have happened a day after,
though it wasn't reported until three years later.

969
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:21.439
That's an important distinction. I have
a book on West Virginia monsters,

970
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:26.079
and there's an interesting I forgot about
this. I was just flipping through it.

971
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:31.560
The Charleston Daily Mail reported on September
fifteenth, this is in regard to

972
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:36.600
the Flatwoods Monster. So three days
after the September twelfth siding nineteen fifty two,

973
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:40.720
they said the monster was nothing more. I thought this was kind of

974
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:44.920
funny. The monster was nothing more, not an owl, but then a

975
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:49.199
combination of an airplane warning beacon and
a flashing media reflecting on the trunk of

976
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:53.199
a dead tree. That's what the
newspaper reported. I don't even know what

977
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:56.359
that means, but it sounds like
the owl's more credible than that explanation.

978
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:00.520
Yeah. See these people in West
virgin and you know, like they're stupid,

979
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:06.760
and these people are really smart,
especially when it comes to the woods

980
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:12.960
and identifying animals. I mean,
they're around yeah, wildlife all the time.

981
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:17.479
They can tell the difference between some
sort of strange creature and an owl,

982
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:23.920
or tell the difference between a satellite
and an owl, or a satellite

983
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:27.760
and a strange, weird creature that
they've never seen before. I'm sure that

984
01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:32.279
most people in West Virginia are very
familiar with the wildlife that are in the

985
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:38.039
area, and they wouldn't just come
out and make something up, pretending to

986
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:45.359
see something that they've never that they
can't identify, especially back. I mean,

987
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:49.319
again, it's it's speculation, but
I think this is well controlled speculation.

988
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:54.560
In the fifties and sixties, especially
small towns like that in West Virginia

989
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:58.199
of all places, people generally,
I mean, maybe there was one or

990
01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:00.359
two, but generally speaking, the
average person wasn't looking to bring a ton

991
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:04.439
of publicity to this tiny little town. People like that usually live in those

992
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:09.399
places because they don't want any kind
of disturbance from the outside world. I

993
01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:11.119
mean, that's why I would move
to a place like that, because I

994
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:15.279
wouldn't want to be disturbed. So
it's like, I highly doubt that it

995
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.840
was that these stories were made up
just to get people to come in and

996
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:21.520
bring tourism dollars, because most of
that, as you said, started decades

997
01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:28.600
later, many many many decades after
the original stories were told. Yeah.

998
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:32.159
And also in the case of the
infilm Monster, Harry McDaniel, And the

999
01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:36.279
reason that I brought that up was
you were talking about, you know,

1000
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:41.720
military involvement and maybe coming in and
telling people to shut up about it.

1001
01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:48.359
Well, the mayor of Illinois at
that time went to Henry McDaniel and was

1002
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:57.199
like, hey, stop talking about
this. There too many people are coming

1003
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:03.880
around and wanting to find this thing. And apparently five men were arrested in

1004
01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:10.319
Illinois because they were drinking and they
had guns and they shot some They were

1005
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:15.479
just going around shooting animals randomly.
And then the mayor after that came to

1006
01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:19.560
Henry and was like, hey,
like, stop talking about this is bringing

1007
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:25.760
too much publicity to our area.
That people are too intrigued and somebody is

1008
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.199
going to get hurt. Which I
think that that is very similar to a

1009
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:36.760
lot of these cases also including the
moth man. Right, these men in

1010
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:41.119
black just show up in Point Pleasant, West Virginia and is like, hey

1011
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:45.760
like, stop talking about this,
stop making it bigger than what it is.

1012
01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:50.319
And some people could take that to
lend more credence to the story or

1013
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:58.399
solidify the story even more, or
it could have been a way to make

1014
01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:04.079
sure that no one got hurt and
someone accidentally got shot and accidentally killed when

1015
01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:10.840
going out and searching for this mothman
in the t inter area with pitchforks and

1016
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:15.840
guns and torches. Also, I
wanted to note this because of what that

1017
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:20.399
newspaper said about flat woods. So
we have these relationships to the owl in

1018
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:27.199
Hopkinsville, Enfield and flat Woods as
well, and even the story that other

1019
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.119
stories from other places as well have
the same kind of explanation what it was

1020
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:35.239
an owl? Get that with UFO
abductions, But then the Kexsburg UFO case

1021
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:39.840
that's in Pennsylvania. I've actually been
there and got a picture with the little

1022
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.640
if it's like a statue or a
monument they built to it. But the

1023
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:47.840
Kexsburg UFO case which happened in was
the mid nineteen sixties, nineteen sixty five.

1024
01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:50.680
That was also in December, by
the way, so we got a

1025
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:56.520
lot of UFO cryptid anniversaries going on
in the fall and right now in December.

1026
01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.199
Kexburg UFO incident nineteen sixty five.
And it kind of looks like a

1027
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:05.319
beehive and it has these strange some
people put like these strange symbols around it.

1028
01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:10.000
If you look at the actually type
in Kexburg, Pennsylvania, you can

1029
01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:13.399
see it. It has these weird
like etchings on it. Some people think,

1030
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:15.439
well, maybe that was the Nazi
bell program, part of Project paper

1031
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.399
Clip. The US was flying it. It crashed. But the reason I

1032
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:23.039
bring this up is because the way
that the newspaper in West Virginia described the

1033
01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:26.720
flat Woods Monster, Oh, was
an airplane beacon and it was something reflecting

1034
01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:30.560
off of a tree stump. It's
a meteor it was. Some people said

1035
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.640
it was a satellite that went down
something to that effect. Well, the

1036
01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:35.800
same thing in Kexsburg. They said, well, it was a meteor or

1037
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:40.920
was a satellite that went down.
That's I mean, that's just all these

1038
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:45.359
very common explanations. Well, you
would think, this is my opinion,

1039
01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:50.479
you would think that for when you
read these stories about Hopkinsville Infield and I'm

1040
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:54.520
not even saying I believe the Hopkinsville
storre, I'm just saying Hopkinsville Infield,

1041
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:59.319
flat Woods, et cetera, Kexburg. You'd think that for all the different

1042
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:02.720
unique types people that live in these
places and people's different perceptions of reality,

1043
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.600
if these things were just owls or
meteors or satellites or whatever they were,

1044
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:12.960
you'd think that people might describe them
all the same, like like they would

1045
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:17.319
see something. But these descriptions of
these creatures are so completely different. It

1046
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:23.720
just feels that this is these are
the laziest explanations for what people are seeing,

1047
01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:27.880
despite the vast differences, maybe the
difference in the culture of the towns,

1048
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:31.159
the way that people see things.
But they're all seeing similar kinds of

1049
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:35.159
things in the sense like monsters or
cryptids or downcraft or whatever. But then

1050
01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.600
the explanations always, well, it's
just just a satellite. Oh, it's

1051
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:40.840
just a media or oh it's just
this, or it's just that's just something

1052
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.439
real simple and that to me,
that just doesn't add up. Yeah,

1053
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:50.039
the official explanation for Kecksburg was a
I think was a Russian spy sonly.

1054
01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:55.399
Yeah, which, by the way, I'm sorry to keep talking because I

1055
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:58.399
want to let you finish and we're
gonna skip this last break here and just

1056
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.920
keep talking. This is the secret
Teachings. I'm Ryan Gable Rider Lee as

1057
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:04.520
the guest. But you know,
sput Nick one wasn't launched until nineteen was

1058
01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:10.079
at nineteen fifty seven as the first
artificial satellite. So these stories that,

1059
01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:13.640
oh the Flatwood's Monster in nineteen fifty
two is a down satellite that was five

1060
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.479
years before satellites were officially launched,
So Flatwoods couldn't have been a satellite.

1061
01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.680
But I've heard that story, Oh
it was just a satellite. How there

1062
01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:28.359
weren't satellites at that time. So
anyway, Yeah, the explanations are plausible

1063
01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:32.359
but yet ridiculous at the same time. Like the most ridiculous one that I

1064
01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:38.479
brought up was the infil monster one
like a king garoo. Really you're gonna

1065
01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:45.359
say that a freaking king garoo,
a wild kangaroo was just hopping around Illinois

1066
01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:55.880
in nineteen seventy three and terrorized in
trying to break down McDaniel's screen and then

1067
01:29:55.920 --> 01:30:00.560
scratched the side of his house and
they really screwed up without it explanation.

1068
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:04.560
That's why they went to the ape
explanation after that, because McDaniel was in

1069
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:11.479
the military and lived in Australia and
had a pet kangaroo. Oh that's even

1070
01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:15.920
I didn't know that. That's funny, that's super ironic. So they had

1071
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:21.520
to switch it after they found out
the explanation of a kangaroo and knowing that

1072
01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:26.399
he was in the military and was
stationed in Australia and had a pet kangaroo

1073
01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:29.920
and was around kangaroos all the time, that he couldn't identify that it was

1074
01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.479
a kangaroo. So then they had
to switch it to that. Oh no,

1075
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:35.079
it wasn't. It's not a kangaroo
anymore. It was some kind of

1076
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:40.279
It was an ape six toad ape, a wild ape six toad ape that

1077
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:45.279
was rooming around Illinois and in nineteen
seventy three, Even though apes are not

1078
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:51.800
indigenous to Illinois, I don't think
the apes are really indigenous anywhere in the

1079
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:56.600
United States? So what does all
this tell you? I mean, we

1080
01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:59.439
have we have much more to talk
about. We have a whole other segment

1081
01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:01.960
here we're into into. But what
does all this tell you? With the

1082
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:10.520
official stories then the eyewitness testimony mix
that together with pop culture, what kind

1083
01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:12.640
of phenomenon are we dealing with here? I mean, if you look around

1084
01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:17.199
the world, you can find similar
stories in probably probably every country. So

1085
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:20.680
what is happening here? Do you
think that this is some kind of collective

1086
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:26.800
unconscious projection? Are these just creatures
that maybe maybe there are dimensional gateways like

1087
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:30.720
some of the natives supposedly believed in
those areas like West Virginia. What do

1088
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:32.159
you think is going on here?
Right? Because people are seeing these things

1089
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:35.079
all over the world, and there's
a you know, there's a parallel in

1090
01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:39.319
some like the bigfoots parallel the Yetta. You find that pretty much everywhere.

1091
01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:43.479
Different names. Some of these monsters
are also real distinct, like really unique,

1092
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.920
Like flat Woods is really unique.
Mothman is maybe not as unique,

1093
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.159
but it's much more unique than the
Bigfoot. So what do you think is

1094
01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:57.760
happening? Well, we've heard these
stories from Native Americans and Native tribes basically

1095
01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:01.960
everywhere in the country, not just
in America from the Native Americans, any

1096
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:09.439
indigenous peoples from any country will almost
tell you the exact same thing. You

1097
01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:13.960
know, they have star people.
They didn't call them extraterrestrials, they didn't

1098
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.520
call them aliens. They call them
star people. You also have the Bigfoot

1099
01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:20.119
in the Yeti, you have the
skin Walker, you have the wind to

1100
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:27.359
go. You know, all of
these stories that have been talked about for

1101
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:34.279
a really really long time, and
for some people that will confirm their suspicions

1102
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:38.840
like, oh, hey, you
know, this isn't just a modern thing.

1103
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:42.239
This has been happening for a really
long time. Just like how the

1104
01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:46.159
UFO community, you know, looks
at the Bible and looks at the Book

1105
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:54.399
of Enoch and the Book of Ezekiel
and the Vedas and Hermanas to reinforce their

1106
01:32:55.680 --> 01:33:00.560
extraterrestrial hypothesis. Whenever it gets ruined
in modern times, they're like, oh,

1107
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:02.520
well, you know, this has
been happening since the biblic all time.

1108
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:04.960
This has been happening for thousands and
thousands of years. You know,

1109
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:12.760
yes, so I think that it
is there is some kind of phenomenon going

1110
01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:17.640
on. You know, people can
try and label me as saying that none

1111
01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:20.039
of this stuff is real and people
are just making all this stuff up.

1112
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:27.600
That's not what I'm saying. I
think that things are like paranormal things happen

1113
01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:31.319
all the time, Stranger things happen
all the time, unexplainable things happen all

1114
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:36.079
the time. But putting the label
on it as if you know what it

1115
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:42.680
is is completely wrong. That's not
the way to do it. I think

1116
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.840
that we're not meant to know what
it is. I think that it if

1117
01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.920
we were to try and comprehend what
it is, our brains would just explode

1118
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:58.720
because it's way more fantastic than any
human logical explanation that we could possibly pin

1119
01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:03.399
on it. And people, I
mean, I've had strange experiences my whole

1120
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:09.800
life. You've told me about strange
experiences that you've had your throughout your life.

1121
01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:13.359
Ryan, Oh, yes, you
don't know what it is. I

1122
01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:17.279
don't know what it is in any
explanation. To try and quantify it in

1123
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:20.479
our minds and put a label on
it, to be like this is definitely

1124
01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:25.039
what it is, we know what
it is fall so far out of the

1125
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:31.479
boundaries of anything that is known to
us personally that we could adequately describe or

1126
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:39.039
adequately explain. That's a really good
way to I think, sort of encapsulate

1127
01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:44.920
it because i have had super bizarre
experiences and I've shared them once or twice

1128
01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:47.159
on air over the last decade and
a half or so that i've done this

1129
01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:49.840
show, and I shared them in
private with you. The other night.

1130
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:54.760
We were talking about all this and
the things that I've seen, and maybe

1131
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:58.760
I should put it like this.
I know that listening to a show like

1132
01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:02.239
this, because I've listened to plun
myself of other people's shows, you get

1133
01:35:02.239 --> 01:35:09.039
this impression from the host or from
the guest, usually that they believe in

1134
01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:12.920
what they're sharing, whether it's their
story or it's someone else's story. Get

1135
01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:15.840
this impression that they're If they're not
just telling a story, you get this

1136
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:18.359
impression that they believe that story.
And likewise, I know people get the

1137
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.600
impression from me and certainly from you
as well, writer when people listen to

1138
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:27.199
your show that maybe we are more
quote unquote skeptical, we just don't believe

1139
01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.159
anything, and that couldn't be further
from the truth. I just don't believe

1140
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:33.800
everything, nor do. I disbelieve
everything, and I've likewise had my own

1141
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:39.520
experiences. I just don't monetize them
and sell them for profit because I don't

1142
01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:42.920
know what they are. And maybe
I could write a little, teeny tiny

1143
01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:45.239
book and explain what I've seen,
and maybe people based on my background would

1144
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:49.279
enjoy reading that you as listeners.
But I don't know what the things are

1145
01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:54.319
that I've seen. But what I
do know is I had those experiences when

1146
01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:57.880
I was a kid, long before
I was ever influenced by the kinds of

1147
01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:02.199
things that we have attention focused on
now by pop culture, because I grew

1148
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:06.800
up pretty sheltered, very Christian household, and I experienced of the same things

1149
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.840
that many many years later, when
I would read books on things like we're

1150
01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:15.800
discussing tonight, I realized, Oh, I remember that, that's exactly what

1151
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.520
I saw when I was a kid, but I had no point or frame

1152
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.880
of reference for it. So it's
not a matter of belief or disbelief.

1153
01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:26.319
I've had my own experiences. I
like you, writer, I just don't

1154
01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:28.399
know what they were, don't know
what they are, but there's still some

1155
01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:32.239
phenomenon there and that is something that
we're exploring. Yeah, and the problem

1156
01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:42.600
with talking about your experiences is that
other people want to tack on their experiences

1157
01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:46.880
and tell you what you experienced.
That's very true. That's why I don't

1158
01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:50.199
talk about my experiences, and I'm
sure that's a big reason why you don't

1159
01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:55.560
talk about yours, is because everyone
wants to come in with their own opinion

1160
01:36:55.640 --> 01:37:00.520
and tell you exactly what it was. You know, in a nine times

1161
01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:06.720
out of ten is nothing like what
you experienced. And that is my conclusion

1162
01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:15.680
with a lot of these cryptids.
I think that they saw something. Was

1163
01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:18.520
it exactly the way that they described
it? We don't really know, but

1164
01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:23.560
I can tell you one thing for
sure. What people say that it is.

1165
01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:30.000
It's not, you know, like
an explanation of an owl. That's

1166
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:32.600
not an owl, dude, I
don't know what it was. It's not

1167
01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:38.760
an owl. That's not a kangaroo, bro, It's not a meteor reflecting

1168
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:41.720
off of a tree stump. I
don't know what it was, but it

1169
01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:47.840
definitely was not a kangaroo, you
know. So, And that's the issue

1170
01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:53.680
in the problem because I've explained a
few of my experiences to people within the

1171
01:37:53.720 --> 01:38:00.640
community as well, and they turn
it into something completely different. Than what

1172
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.840
I experienced. See, people just
can't take their experiences and then have other

1173
01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:12.199
people recite them verbatim, right though, include something fantastical. Right, They'll

1174
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:15.279
be like, oh, well,
you are definitely abducted by aliens. They

1175
01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:20.520
definitely did experimentations on you. They
abducted you into their UFO craft. You've

1176
01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:24.600
probably got missing time somewhere. You
need to get a regression, and then

1177
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:28.000
you go get a regression, and
then it confirms exactly what they said because

1178
01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:31.520
you were out there looking for what
they said. So it's their influence upon

1179
01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:38.720
you. And I like those types
of scenarios and those things that I experienced

1180
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:44.000
to be sacred to me. I
don't need other people's inputs, need them

1181
01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:46.600
with what they are, you don't
need them polluted. And whether that pollution

1182
01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:50.600
is intentional or otherwise, it might
be from people that have really good intentions.

1183
01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:55.800
Part of it is also just like
psychology one oh one. We don't

1184
01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:58.680
really have much of a memory of
what we've done in the last week.

1185
01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:00.800
Some people don't remember what they had
for breakfast. You talk about a story

1186
01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:05.279
that happened or something that you experienced
fifteen twenty. In my case, I've

1187
01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.720
had some things recent. But most
of the stories I can tell you were

1188
01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:13.600
from childhood, like really young childhood. They were traumatic. I remember them,

1189
01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.319
but I don't know all the details. So I'm careful because what happens,

1190
01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:20.279
right is if I'm thinking about that
experience I had and I remember it,

1191
01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:25.039
my brain is only processing a certain
piece of it, and when I

1192
01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:28.880
hear another story that sounds similar,
it confirms that certainly what I saw was

1193
01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:31.600
some sort of maybe even natural phenomenon, I don't know what it was.

1194
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:36.520
But then these other pieces start to
be put together by the brain, so

1195
01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:40.600
the brain can try to paint a
bigger and clearer picture of what it was

1196
01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:44.840
you experienced, when in reality it's
maybe like twenty percent of your memories accurate.

1197
01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:46.680
The rest you have no clue.
It's black. And then the brain

1198
01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:50.279
tries to fill in the blanks with
stories that you hear presently, even though

1199
01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:54.159
what you experienced was fifteen twenty years
ago. Does that make sense, because

1200
01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:57.119
I think that's what's happening. That
is spot on? And then you have

1201
01:39:57.279 --> 01:40:02.960
the other such a of people that
you can tell an experience too, and

1202
01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:08.880
they'll they'll tell you that you didn't
experience anything, right, So it's one

1203
01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:14.399
of the two extremes. It's either
all of this fantastical mumbo jumbo garbage wack

1204
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:20.840
TRD nonsense, or it's nothing and
all those two things. You either experienced

1205
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:27.159
nothing or it was way more dramatic, way more exciting then the way that

1206
01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:30.399
you said it. And then you
get that confused with your actual stories exactly

1207
01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:33.159
like what you said, and then
you try and fill in the blanks and

1208
01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:38.960
the gaps from what other people are
telling you that it is, and then

1209
01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:43.359
that morphs and turns the story into
something completely different, and then you get

1210
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:46.880
to believing in that, and then
you regurgitate that, and then it turns

1211
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:54.520
into something that is completely opposite of
what happened. It's this really interesting the

1212
01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:59.399
story you tell about Endfield in Illinois
and the relationship as I brought up that

1213
01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:02.800
that has to Hopkinsville case because whether
or not, I mean, in your

1214
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:08.079
case and the Infield story, you're
saying the police and you believe this guy's

1215
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:13.479
very credible. I'm a little skeptical
of the Hopkinsville story because I met one

1216
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:15.279
of the guys and he just kind
of rubbed me the wrong way. But

1217
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:19.359
that's just my opinion. Nevertheless,
there's the story of a creature. And

1218
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:23.600
we actually I did an interview with
a lady who was very knowledgeable in this,

1219
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:28.800
probably how it was like Halloween twenty
nineteen. We talked about the dwin

1220
01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:32.279
Day. You know about the dwin
Day. Not familiar, you'd have to

1221
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:39.039
tell me about it. Yeah,
it's a Latin American spirit creature. I

1222
01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:43.640
also, I think it's very popular
in European folklore, but Latin America Europe

1223
01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:46.399
very similar stories. They're basically like
goblins or elves. And if you look

1224
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:49.640
at the dwin Da, it's spelled
d u e Nde, and I might

1225
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:56.399
be pronouncing it wrong, Dwinde.
The Dwinde looks really like almost in some

1226
01:41:56.479 --> 01:42:00.960
ways identical to the Hopkinsville story.
Pointed ears, the long arms that go

1227
01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:06.159
down to the feet, almost goblin
like a couple of things, you know,

1228
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:10.600
I think, Okay, I'm not
saying the Hopkinsville story is made up,

1229
01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:13.960
but if you wanted to make up
a story, it would be very

1230
01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:17.560
easy to take something that's kind of
obscure in mythology, like who has heard

1231
01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:23.359
of a Dwindey? Hardly anybody.
So take something that's obscure and then you

1232
01:42:23.439 --> 01:42:26.359
create a story around it. So
it's based in some reality, so that

1233
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:30.079
when people like myself go and research
and I'm like, well, that Hopkinsville

1234
01:42:30.079 --> 01:42:32.479
story sounds really similar to a Dwinday. Now to me, that doesn't mean

1235
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:36.720
that I just believed the Hopkinsville story, But if you if I wanted to

1236
01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:42.800
make something uprighter, it'd be really
easy to go into these obscure parts of

1237
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:47.319
human history and myth and culture and
find something that's credible in the sense or

1238
01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:53.079
something that would give credence to my
story because it's something that already exists.

1239
01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:56.239
It would be really easy to make
this stuff up because all you have to

1240
01:42:56.239 --> 01:42:59.800
do is regurgitate, Well, I
had missing time, I shot the thing,

1241
01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.399
and the bullets reflected or deflected off
of it, and you know this

1242
01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:05.760
happened. You can tell the same
story and it would sound credible because it

1243
01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:09.520
sounds like all the other stories.
So on the flip side of what we've

1244
01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:14.319
discussed tonight, you can very easily
fabricate these stories and they sound really credible.

1245
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.319
Yeah, And that just triggered my
mind of that cryptid that I was

1246
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:20.800
trying to think of when we were
talking the other night. I was trying

1247
01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:28.279
to think of the name of it. It's called the Rake. Yes,

1248
01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:30.079
the Rake. Absolutely, we've done
shows on the Rake before. They it's

1249
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.359
like a pale man from Pans Labyrinth
kind of like that. But go ahead.

1250
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:39.520
Yeah, the Rake very very interesting, cryptid and I was trying to

1251
01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:44.159
think of it while we were getting
ready for the show the other day and

1252
01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:46.640
I kept slipping my mind. I
don't know why I did, because it's

1253
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.880
a really easy name to remember,
the Rake, But yeah, the Rake

1254
01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:57.039
is really interesting and it almost seems
like what you were describing of that spiritual

1255
01:43:57.279 --> 01:44:00.479
entity as well. And then it
also kind of in there with the wind

1256
01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:04.279
to go to, except it doesn't
have antlers or anything like that. It's

1257
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:13.600
just like a pale, white,
strange creature. I saw one of those

1258
01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:16.359
many years ago, before I ever
knew what it was. I was in

1259
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:19.840
rural Florida, like as about as
rural as you can get in Florida,

1260
01:44:20.239 --> 01:44:26.199
meth Capital, Florida, and I
saw one of those setting in my car

1261
01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.119
kind of in the middle of nowhere, and I wasn't expecting to see something

1262
01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:35.319
just enjoying the sky, and I
can see it in my mind today.

1263
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:40.159
I have no idea what it was
until years and years and years later I

1264
01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:42.720
read and learn it. And this
was like two thousand and probably eleven.

1265
01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:47.159
I read about the rake and then
it's like it triggers that memory. Oh,

1266
01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:51.159
I saw that thing. As a
matter of fact. In West Virginia,

1267
01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:54.800
there's stories that they call them white
things. I don't know if you've

1268
01:44:54.840 --> 01:45:00.000
ever come across that term. Sometimes
they appear as wolves, bears, even

1269
01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.920
giant badgers, maybe even owls.
But rather than kind of being like the

1270
01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:09.640
pale man from Pans Labyrinth, these
creatures are usually covered in like a sasquatch

1271
01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:14.960
like bigfoot like hair, but the
hairs completely white. Sometimes they don't have

1272
01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:19.880
hair at all. They're more just
like corpses. They're said to have like

1273
01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:23.840
no blood. They're almost like,
I don't know, they're almost like the

1274
01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:27.520
walking dead. But this was act. These have actually been seen in West

1275
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:31.720
Virginia and very very close to Morgantown
Morgan's Ridge. Back in nineteen twenty nine.

1276
01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:38.159
There's a case of a Croatian immigrant
named Frank Kosel who was coming home

1277
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:42.720
from a coal mine shift and he
went through the woods to get home quicker,

1278
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:45.880
this in nineteen twenty nine, and
he saw one of these things in

1279
01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:48.560
the woods. This pale, white
creature. They call them the white things

1280
01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:53.439
in West Virginia. So that's something
that you find also all over the world.

1281
01:45:53.960 --> 01:45:57.880
And of course, relating to what
you're saying, and in regard to

1282
01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:00.720
Point Pleasant, by the way,
there was a story of this white,

1283
01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:06.119
pale man thing being seen in Point
Pleasant in nineteen seventy three, so he

1284
01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:10.720
or she or whatever it is was
also seen in Point Pleasant. They don't

1285
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:13.560
just have the mothman. They also
have the pale man or the rake there,

1286
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:17.079
according to stories in the seventies as
well. And then you have Injured

1287
01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:21.760
Cole, the smiling man that happened
around Yeah, let's talk about that.

1288
01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:25.479
Let's talk about the incrid Cole.
What do you know about that story?

1289
01:46:27.079 --> 01:46:32.039
Well, apparently injured Cole. The
first setting of injured Cole was I can't

1290
01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:35.920
remember the city or the state that
he was in, but it was far

1291
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:40.680
away from West Virginia. And there
was these two men that were in their

1292
01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:46.000
car. They were sitting in their
car. Then they saw this man in

1293
01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:51.279
what looked like a jumpsuit that had
a really weird grin on his face,

1294
01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:58.640
and according to this report, the
man chased after them, which I think

1295
01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:02.079
is just a completely made up story, something that's completely unrelated. But it's

1296
01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:10.960
difficult looking up things about injured Cole
because he's kind of lumped in with the

1297
01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:20.319
smiling man stories. But the popular
story of injured Cole is supposedly the same

1298
01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:26.640
year that the Mothman sighting happened,
and this is like the connection between the

1299
01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:31.720
Mothman and injured Coal that people have
put together. So also in nineteen sixty

1300
01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:38.399
seven, I think that it was
before the Mothman siding, or around the

1301
01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:45.560
exact same time. Sometime around in
December, a couple was driving on the

1302
01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:55.159
road toward Parkersburg and Parkersburg, West
Virginia, and something landed in the middle

1303
01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:59.439
of the road and they stopped their
car and this gentleman got out of the

1304
01:47:59.479 --> 01:48:02.920
car, and the reports very again, this was a long time ago,

1305
01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:09.079
so the reports have been all confused. Some people of the story say that

1306
01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:12.520
he was wearing a suit, Others
say that he was wearing like a jumpsuit

1307
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:19.760
type thing, But he just had
a big fake smile on his face and

1308
01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:25.279
like a big grin, and it
was kind of permanently just on his face,

1309
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:32.640
and he didn't speak normally. Apparently, Injured Cole spoke telepathically to the

1310
01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:40.920
gentleman that was driving the car,
saying that he was interested in the people

1311
01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:47.840
that live in this area and apparently
asked the gentleman for directions telepathically. And

1312
01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:57.359
that's the most famous case of injured
Cole, and which makes me think of

1313
01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:01.520
this connection to the like the black
black Eyed children as well. The Black

1314
01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:10.840
Eyed children are reported not to speak
either in some form of telepathic communication.

1315
01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:15.520
What do you know about injured Cole? That's really, honestly all I know.

1316
01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:17.640
And I mean I'd have to kind
of refresh my memory on that anyway

1317
01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:23.279
and read the stories again. I've
read that he or she or whatever it

1318
01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:28.159
is or was very men in black
like, but of course that gets jumbled

1319
01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:32.680
up with just regular old government agents. I mean, if government agents came

1320
01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:36.520
to your house, I mean,
maybe someone's delusional and they and some salesmen

1321
01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:40.640
come to their house and might think
the you know, the government's coming after

1322
01:49:40.680 --> 01:49:43.680
them, and they say they're men
in black. And there's a difference between

1323
01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:45.640
like the men in black as government
agents who are just like working for the

1324
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:50.840
FBI. And then of course these
more mysterious almost supernatural like creatures or characters

1325
01:49:50.920 --> 01:49:55.159
or whatever they are that are kind
of like the watchers in the TV show

1326
01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:59.520
Fringe. And then you of course
have the story of Ingrid Cold who's injured

1327
01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:03.680
calls more like an offshoot of that
where the stories, as you said,

1328
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:10.600
of that character get lumped together with
the archetype or the myths of the smiling

1329
01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:13.920
man or the hat Man. So
I mean there is a correlation between these

1330
01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:16.720
things. But whether indreed Colt is
actually a smiling man or men in black,

1331
01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:20.000
I think there's a difference between those
two and other than that, I

1332
01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:24.319
really don't know. I can tell
you though, that many many many many

1333
01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:29.560
many many many years ago, writer
in West Virginia, I saw that the

1334
01:50:29.720 --> 01:50:32.960
hat Man, and I've only seen
it one time. And where I saw

1335
01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:38.159
it was where I found out later
that's exactly where my grandma used to see

1336
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:41.520
it, because it was I think
it was her room at my great grandma's

1337
01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.680
house, her her mom's house in
West Virginia and Torldo, West Virginia,

1338
01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:48.800
and I saw that thing. My
grandma described it to me exactly like I

1339
01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:51.840
saw it, and she said,
that's what I used to see when I

1340
01:50:51.880 --> 01:50:56.600
slept in that room as a kid. So and she didn't like prep me

1341
01:50:56.640 --> 01:50:59.680
with it. She actually stopped me
explaining what I saw and said, I'm

1342
01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:01.159
going to explain what I saw,
and you tell me if it sounds familiar.

1343
01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:05.039
And I just had experience it and
it was exactly what I had seen.

1344
01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:09.560
So, you know, maybe I
saw Indred Cold. I don't know,

1345
01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.119
but that was that was also in
West Virginia when I was a kid.

1346
01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:17.239
Very very real. But what is
real is the more philosophical question at

1347
01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:24.079
that point. Well, also,
Andrew Cole has been mixed up with not

1348
01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:29.039
only the Smiling Man but the hat
Man, but also valiant Thor. Oh

1349
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:32.359
yes, people, they're still quoting. Yeah, but valiant Thor said it

1350
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:36.399
as a fictional character. I don't
care what he said is my what did

1351
01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:40.279
big Bird say? I don't care. It's a fictional character. Go ahead,

1352
01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:45.079
Yeah, through the mythology of valiant
Thor, which I'm gonna have to

1353
01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:49.720
look into that more and dig deeper
into that and figure out who started that

1354
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:55.800
whole idea of valiant Thora And I
have a feeling that it came from Bill

1355
01:51:55.840 --> 01:52:02.079
Cooper. I had I heard someone
quoting that character at a conference, like

1356
01:52:02.119 --> 01:52:08.439
a speaker, like yes, but
Valen Door said this and like that's you.

1357
01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:12.159
They're quoting this person like they're real, like they've met them or something.

1358
01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:15.760
You know. It's it's very strange. It is really strange, and

1359
01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:19.159
a lot of people quote Valiant Thora
as a real figure. American Horror Story

1360
01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:26.800
even did a whole season on that's
right, orient thor that's right and the

1361
01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:35.359
extraterrestrial connection and that JFK was somehow
involved, which was also wrapped up in

1362
01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:42.840
Bill Cooper's story and his Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure that was Bill Cooper

1363
01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:48.119
that made that whole connection between JFK
was assassinated because he knew too much about

1364
01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:54.680
UFOs and extraterrestrials, and that he
is Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I am

1365
01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:58.119
Marilyn Monroe. But American Horror Story
did a different version of it, and

1366
01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:05.920
it was pretty much saying that JFK
had sex with an alien and that JFK

1367
01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:12.479
got the alien pregnant or JFK got
pregnant by the I don't know, some

1368
01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:16.840
weird ass shit, but it's all
got lumped into the same type of category.

1369
01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:19.119
You got Indra Cole, you got
to smile the Man, you got

1370
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:24.119
the hat Man, which I think
that there is something really to the hat

1371
01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:29.840
Man. I've never seen the hat
Man in any kind of physical manifestation,

1372
01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:36.079
but I did see him in a
sleep paralysis state where he kind of morphed

1373
01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:43.520
in behind this guy that was hanging
from the ceiling that had a bag over

1374
01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:46.600
his head, and then he kind
of morphed in. He was a complete

1375
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:51.359
shadow and morphed out from behind the
guy that was hanging from the ceiling,

1376
01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:58.920
and there was this really weird,
anomous, like weird creepy laugh that came

1377
01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:06.319
after it. And then I'm seeing
this weird lizard like twelve legged creature like

1378
01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:10.479
crawl up the side of the wall
into the corner, but it had like

1379
01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:14.479
a human face and then it turned
around and like looked at me. Then

1380
01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:18.079
I snapped out of the sleep paralysis. Well, whatever it is that you

1381
01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:20.439
see in those states, I mean, if someone I mean, if someone's

1382
01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:26.680
really tired, you start hallucinating and
it's like you're projecting this unconscious stuff onto

1383
01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:29.520
the physical world. You're starting to
see things that aren't there, but in

1384
01:54:29.560 --> 01:54:32.479
a sense they are there. And
I mean that's really I think a large

1385
01:54:32.560 --> 01:54:36.720
explanation for a lot of these different
kinds of weird sightings. And they often

1386
01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:42.880
happen when people are very alone and
they're isolated, especially if you fill alone

1387
01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:46.039
and isolated, these things can happen
quite frequently. They also could be a

1388
01:54:46.079 --> 01:54:51.720
result of there's a certain percentage of
the population statistically a writer that produces excess

1389
01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:58.000
d MT naturally, and that's just
a direct gateway into the spirit world if

1390
01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:04.239
you will. You can get into
a you can release natural DMT in your

1391
01:55:04.399 --> 01:55:11.119
brain through breathing exercises, through meditation. Like you don't have to be taken

1392
01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:16.439
a substance. And I was talking
to Andy Rousse about this the other day

1393
01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:21.000
on my show because we're talking about
psychedelics and mushrooms and all that, and

1394
01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:26.119
I'm like, hey, like,
I'll never advocate for the use of any

1395
01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:30.479
psychedelic, let alone any type of
drug, because you can get into that

1396
01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:34.199
state. You can release natural DMT
in your brain. You can release natural

1397
01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:43.479
binzo diazepe in your brain through doing
breath work and breathwork combined with meditation,

1398
01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:50.119
and that's the natural way to do
it. Like, the substance version is

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an artificial version. It's like making
a AI rendering of a photo. It's

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yeah, it's there, but it's
a fake version. Of it. I

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didn't know that you thought that.
That's how I always have explained it as

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well. I would never advocate.
I don't advocate for taking those things,

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and I never have and I probably
never will be. And I don't see

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it as closed minded. I see
it as I can get into those states

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just by reading and really focusing and
meditating on what I'm learning to me that

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gets me high. I don't need
those substances for that. I feel like

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those are kind of an easy way
to access something that you're not ready to

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access. Yeah, and they're always
wrong too. Anybody that gets any kind

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01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.840
of prediction from being on any kind
of drug, it's like always wrong,

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Like the information is always wrong.
So what is it that you're tapping into?

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Love and light? Man? I
mean, you're definitely tapping into something

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that doesn't have your best interest at
heart. But I feel like if it's

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possible, and I've got into those
states before, I've almost had a out

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of body experience doing breath work at
four in the morning. Yeah, you're

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supposed to do it at the natural
point where you're melatonin is at its highest

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and your melotone is being released,
and if you're sitting up in like a

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cross legged position. Your body isn't
going to fall asleep while you're doing the

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01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:20.199
breathwork because the broathwork releases natural benzo
dazepine that makes you naturally sleepy. But

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01:57:20.279 --> 01:57:26.079
if you're setting up while you're doing
it and you're getting into that state like

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you can exit your body, I'll
tell you something real weird and we're out

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01:57:29.720 --> 01:57:31.880
of time. I'll let you finish
or let people know where you can where

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01:57:31.880 --> 01:57:36.119
they can find your stuff. Mariah
Carey's sister can Mariah Carey's big at Christmas

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01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:41.960
time coming up on Christmas, Mariah
Carey's sister suing their mother, claiming that

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01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:45.680
their mother took them both, her
especially to these rituals when she was a

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01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:49.520
kid, and she said they took
place during the sabots. She didn't say

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01:57:49.560 --> 01:57:54.000
sabat, she said specific points of
the year, so I'd assume sabots like

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01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:57.920
beltane, Lucna, sad some hayin
in bulk and said that they would do

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01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:00.680
these weird rituals and make the kids
watch at about three to four o'clock in

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01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:03.560
the morning, right around that you
know, the witching hour time. So

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01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:08.479
anyway, Merry Christmas, ryder Lee
I thank you for coming on the show

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01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:12.159
tonight. I appreciate it. My
friend last thoughts about a minute, Yes,

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just that you know you can define
this stuff out for yourself. There's

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natural ways to do things. You
can like I was mentioning, you can

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01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:26.640
release natural DMT in your brain.
You can release natural benzo diaz apeam.

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01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:31.119
I would just really highly look into
breathwork. Create your own version of breath

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01:58:31.199 --> 01:58:35.039
work meditation, do it late at
night, and you can pretty much get

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01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:39.680
outside of your body. I came
very close to getting outside of my body

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01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:45.720
before and I haven't been that close
since. But I'm looking forward to trying

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01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:47.399
it in the future because I do
know that it's possible. And if you're

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01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:51.439
interested in checking out more of my
work, you can subscribe on YouTube at

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01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:57.720
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1442
01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:00.000
Thanks so much for having me on. Ryan, really appreciate your time.

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01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:03.439
I'm very fascinating conversation and I hope
people were able to follow along.

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01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:06.960
Thank you. I really appreciate you
coming on. This is a really good

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01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:12.600
conversation and I was actually on your
show earlier tonight, so people can find

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01:59:12.640 --> 01:59:15.359
that with the links that you just
gave out. Had a busy day to

1447
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:19.159
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1449
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1451
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1452
01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:35.479
stay safe, stay in form,
stay healthy. You're going to go

1453
01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:40.079
out of body, be very very
careful how you do it. Make sure

1454
01:59:40.079 --> 01:59:43.359
you're not driving, make sure you
don't have other responsibilities before you go out

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01:59:43.359 --> 01:59:46.359
of body. I'm Ryan Gable,
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01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:50.279
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