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Welcome back, every one, turn
new episode that You're wrong with Molly Hemmingway

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and David Harsani. We've got plenty
to talk about this week. Molly,

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I think we should start right off
the bat with the four count, forty

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five page indictment dropped by Jack Smith
on the former president and leading Republican presidential

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candidate Donald Trump. Not shocking,
right, well, yes and no,

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it actually everything feels very surreal and
shocking. And then also we expected this,

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but to see just how poorly written
the indictment is is very surprising to

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me. It's basically like a like
even worse version of the J six Committee

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report, and it's as if they
never spoke to a single person outside of

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an MSNBC audience or host, Like
it actually reads like if a particularly uninformed

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MSNBC viewer were to be given the
powers of a special prosecutor or what do

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you think? Did you? Did
you find it to be No? I

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don't know how to frame I guess
I should frame it this way. I

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think that people have a lot of
trouble disconnecting Donald Trump from their thinking,

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so when they're talking about this these
indictments, for instance, they're like,

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oh my God, look how terrible
Trump was, And honestly I agree with

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that, But there's these indictments are
an attack on the First Amendment as I

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see them. I mean, everything
is linked to speech and the ability of

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the government to bore into the soul
of Donald Trump and discern whether he believed

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what he was saying or didn't believe
what he was saying, and that is

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not the job of the state.
This is a polite Clearly, to me,

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everything in this indictment that I read, I'm not a lawyer, but

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everything seems to be a political issue. These are issues that you can impeach

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someone over, or a voter cannot
vote for a person again or ever.

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But it is not It is not
the kind of thing that should be transposed

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into the legal realm. Yeah,
I think it's I think it's worse than

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that. I mean, it definitely
attacks on the speech. One of the

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things that's so interesting to me about
how the left has responded to all sorts

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of things in the last ten years
is to work to take away constitutional rights

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and protections, whether it's speech or
association, or the right to protest government,

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or the right to legal counsel.
These are all things that are attacked

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in this and other indictments. But
because I did write a book on this

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and I know a lot about some
of the issues that are discussed in the

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indictment, it's even worse. Like, for instance, it uses this claim

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of fake electors, keeps on saying
that there was a scheme to have fake

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electors. That is not true,
and I feel like you should have true

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things in same time. Now,
it is true that like radical Democrats and

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Liz Cheney use that language, but
that's not appropriate legal language for what was

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going on. So when you have
an election and you have litigation after an

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election, that litigation usually takes months
or years to resolve. And it's one

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of the big problems with not having
safe and secure elections is that it's very

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hard to deal with after the fact. But the fact is that there were

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legal cases moving in various states.
So for instance, in Georgia, there

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was a lawsuit to contest that election
based on all sorts of questions that the

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Trump legal team had about the veracity
of the vote, and it was in

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a ton of different categories, So
they had different reports coming in in the

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chaos after the election of just how
bad the election was. By the way

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one of those reports turned out to
be outcome determinative, by which I mean

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not that it would have changed the
election to Trump, but they did establish

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that there were enough illegal votes,
and I can go into this in detail,

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that they should have had another election. And they actually could have probably

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done this pretty quickly if they'd gotten
compliance with the Secretary of State's office.

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They were not getting that compliance.
This leads to part of what's mentioned in

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the indictment about a phone call where
Trump is like, I just need you

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to agree with me that there are
at least eleven thousand bad votes out of

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the one hundred and fifty thousand or
however many it was that they had identified.

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And while some of the categories that
they had identified they did overestimate in

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other categories, they did show that
there were enough illegal votes that they should

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have had another election. And the
particular issue in play for that they have

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been borne out on is that in
the state of Georgia, you are not

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allowed to vote in a different county
than the one you live in. So

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there were more people who had moved
and then returned to their old county to

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vote than was allowed. That it's
not allowed, and people who followed the

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law were disenfranchised relative to that group
of people. So it's a really important

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issue. We've written about it at
length at the Federalist. And I'm just

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pointing out if that lawsuit had been
allowed to proceed instead of fought at every

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level in the state of Georgia,
and if they had won, they would

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have need they would have needed a
separate set of electors had the outcome been

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different eventually, And so having an
alternate slate of electors is a totally legitimate

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thing to do in the case that
you succeed in your legal efforts. And

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Jack Smith says that that is unconstitutional
and illegal, when in fact, the

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whole idea of having an alternate slate
of electors is an attempt to abide by

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the constitution that was complicated. But
yeah, no, listen, I know

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you're saying, they're a lot of
underlying issues that were brought into the legal

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system that work. Where is which
is the place these things need to be

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adjudicated, etc. And but this
lawsuit essentially says that Donald Trump committed fraud

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by doing so, or by listening
to his lawyers, or by believing things

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that he that the law that Jack
Smith says aren't true, that we don't

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you know, which it's not for
him to decide what's true or not.

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In Actually, my favorite thing is
that he goes after Trump for believing things

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from some people, but also for
not believing things from other people. Right,

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So they're like he should have known
because the people who had been telling

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him, you know, false things
for the four years of his administration said

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this other thing and he didn't believe
them. Well, in fact, that's

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not a crime to not believe what
someone who works for you. News flash

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to everyone at the Federal is it's
not a crime to not believe what someone

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who works for you says. That's
not a crime by any stretch of the

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imagination. And the fact that like
he gets he gets mad at him for

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believing certain things and not others is
just insane. But I'm just gonna saying

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other people sorry now going well.
He also has a reference, a bunch

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of references to something that's another thing
I happen to know about, which is

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this videotape of people counting ballots in
Fulton County at the processing center without oversight.

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And it is required in Georgia that
you have oversight for counting. And

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there's really no dispute about what happened
there in Georgia, which is that the

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people who were observing, which included
media and election observers with the Republican Party,

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were told that they were done counting
for the night, but they weren't

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done counting. They kept counting after
everyone left, and there should have been

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like the Department of Justice itself had
a consent to career whatever you call it,

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with Fulton County because they do elections
so poorly, they should have had

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an observer there. The State of
Georgia should have had an observer there.

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The Republican Party did have a servers
there who were basically told that counting was

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done for the night, and then
they brought out more ballots to count them.

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And the way that Jack Smith writes
about this is clear he does not

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either know or he's lying about what
happened there. And I actually interviewed tons

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of people in Fulton County, and
these are people who range from like pro

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Trump to not pro Trump, and
meaning they were Republicans, but they're not

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all Trump fans, and they all
talked about just basically how poorly things are

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done in Fulton County. And you
can read the New York Times and Politico

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and Washington Post for details on how
poorly Fulton County runs elections because they were

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livid at how they ran the primary
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you're allowed if you're the New York
Times to condemn Fulton County, but if

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you're Donald Trump you're not just seems
wrong. Well, and I'm not diminishing

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that all those specific things are talking
about are important, but I think that

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the larger issue is that if we
implement this theory retroactively, then you know,

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if a president or a candidate takes
on bad legal advice or false legal

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advice, or believes that aliens have
taken over the election, that's their right

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to do it. You prosecuting someone
and claiming that they're defrauding the United States

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because they're implementing or accepting legal theories
that you don't like is an assault on

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the First Amendment. Let me just
say this, and speaking of defrauding the

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United States government, we just went
through four years well not just but we

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went through four years of let's just
say, Adam Shift completely defrauding the United

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States government and American people using illegally
obtained leaks, curating them to lie and

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lying blatantly to Congress. I mean
Al Gore could be could be indicted under

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these rules. Adam Shift could be
indicted under these rules. Wasn't there a

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lawyer or there were numerous lawyers in
twenty sixteen who wanted, if less,

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electors to go against the will of
the people or whatever. I mean,

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it's just an incredibly dangerous precedent that
there that's being set here. I think

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that's just a size from thinking about
Trump or or or anything else. Yes,

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and no, I would say it
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Adam Schiff spread false information about Russia
collusion, and I think we can reasonably

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say he knew it to be false
when he was spreading it. You know,

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he falsely claimed he had he had
evidence of Russia collusion that would come

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to light some day, and then
when it never came, he was like,

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I was just talking about like the
stuff that the New York Times was

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writing. You know, Well,
surely he knew that almost surely he knew

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was a dis info. It was
a partisan document that started. Yeah,

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oh hold on, And yes,
you are right that there was a massive

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celebrity led and Democrat Party led campaign
to encourage people who had pledged their vote

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for Donald Trump to become faithless electors
and vote for someone else. And if

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that were illegal like this, if
all the stuff in the Jack Smith indictment

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were real, then then you would
wonder why they hadn't gone after them.

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But I do want to say that
some I've heard some people say, well,

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like if this were if this were
true, Hillary Clinton should have been

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prosecuted for the Russia collusion hoax.
And I actually think those two things are

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very different, by which I mean
everything that Jack Smith alleges falsely about the

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Republican campaign to win the twenty twenty
election actually did happen from Hillary Clinton.

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She did knowingly spread misinformation and false
information that undermined the country for years and

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risked literally like global conflagration, you
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She hired the attorneys, she spread
the work that they like secretly came up

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with. She did it publicly,
she did it on her Twitter account,

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she did it in interviews, and
she knew it to be false. She

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knew it was a campaign operation.
So all the things that are claimed falsely

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I think about Trump here actually do
apply to Hillary Clinton, and maybe if

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she had been prosecuted for trying to
destroy the country through false claims of Russia

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collusion to steal the election, maybe
like none of this would have happened,

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you know what I'm saying. But
I still think those that her role in

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it, from what we know,
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not the legal realm. Whereas people
in the DOJ or the FBI or you

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know, lawyers who signed Faiza documents
that were lies, those people broke the

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law and should have been prosecuted.
Has anyone been prosecuted for anything that happened

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in the Russia collusion hoax? I
mean maybe a yeah, three people,

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yeah, yeah, But it's not
you know, obviously nothing like this now

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and certainly not suppressively in the Department
of Justice itself. The entity that is

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going after their primary political opponent,
Donald Trump, was involved at a very

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high level with spreading the republic threatening
lie that Donald Trump stole the election in

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twenty sixteen. The idea that they're
in any position to say anything at all

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about twenty twenty is laughable on its
face. And I would say that the

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documents case against Trump is based iffy, but based on some existing case law

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right For me, The problem there
is just the arbitrary use of power where

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some people can get away with it
and other people can't. But this case,

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I don't know. I guess it
just happened, so I don't I

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need to read more. But I
don't think there's any precedent for it.

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I think these legal theories are a
brand new I don't think they've ever been

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used. Maybe I'm wrong, And
that's a lot of the center right people

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I see defending this would never have
defended this kind of abuse if it had

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been anyone but Donald Trump, which
again is the Trump addled brain, which

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happens on both sides. But you
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that some of these novel legal theories, like the novel legal theory issue,

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is very important because one of the
virtues that we should be striving for is

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prudence, and it's one that you
know, you could very legitimately say that

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Donald Trump did not exhibit prudence in
how he handled the post election bite.

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And by the way, I wrote
very honestly in an in detailed fashion about

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that in the book Rigged, my
best seller on the twenty twenty election,

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which continues to be continues to be
Newsy available at all find online and brick

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and mortar bookstores. But they're using
novel legal theories in their fight against Trump

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in literally every single case. So
it's not just this one. One of

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the big critiques that people have about
the Documents case is how it employs novel

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legal theories. Novel in part because
the person in question has certain rights and

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responsibilities that other people don't have,
you know, just all sorts of things.

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But this the idea that it would
test out novel legal theories of the

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Department of Justice criminalizing legal representation and
First Amendment free speech rights on this case,

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like of all the times to go
crazy with, like I have a

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crazy idea, what if people don't
have First Amendment rights? Or what if

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we were to kind of criminalize legal
representation. That you would do it against

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your primary political opponent who's running for
president is so imprudent, even in addition

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to all the other reasons why you
wouldn't do it. I also think that

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there's a broader issue about how the
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taken a hard, hard left turn, and historically speaking, it's true too.

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They don't see institutions as rule of
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see them as you know, they
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If they're not achieving those political ends, they're worthless and should be eliminated

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or changed. And if they are, they're doing a good job. So

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I think that's what we see that, you know, that's what's going on

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now with DJ and Justice, you
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just think the repercussions of this will
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they will you know. I just
can't see the Supreme Court allowing this,

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even if there's a conviction or whatever
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because again they're you know, I'm
not a lawyer, but it seems

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unlikely to me. Yeah, I
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I don't know. I'm surprised somewhat
that you don't have more people on

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the left saying listen, I too
am rabid with insanity over my hatred of

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Donald Trump, but this is a
stupid idea, and the fact that there

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are so few of them doing it, and that Joe Biden. It's one

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of the things that bothered me.
Do you remember how Donald Trump, who

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has never had an unexpressed thought,
would say something about how there was a

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witch hunt going after him in this
what we all now know was a witch

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hunt, this false Russia collusion hoaxed
thing. And they would say, he's

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obstructing justice by talking about how we
are unlawfully going after him by complaining about

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it. That's an obstruction of justice, because we are justice. You had

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the New York Times last year published
for Peace where it was like, hey,

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I think the headline was almost like
Joe Biden's getting a little impatient with

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Merritt Garland not putting his primary political
opponent in prison. And it didn't,

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of course, it didn't quote Joe
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true in any way, he would
have had a year to be like,

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that's not only not true, that's
dangerous. And I want to make it

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clear like, not only do I
not think these things, I think it

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would be very dangerous. As I
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it would be very dangerous to try
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He didn't do any of that.
He just sort of was like, oh,

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interesting New York Times article here in
which I'm pressuring Merritt Garland to put

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my biggest political threat in prison,
and nobody said anything about him being improperly

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directing the Department of Justice. It's
pretty sick, you know how. You

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know how a lot of conservatives will
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory,

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but they'll say, like, Joe
Biden doesn't actually do anything. Other people

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are running the country, Barack Obama's
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I think that in this case,
I mean, I think Biden is sort

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of hapless midwit like, I don't
think he's directing anyone. I think people

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know what to do on their own, do you know what I'm saying.

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I think they're work in concert without
speaking. I think Jack Smith knows exactly

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what his job is here and what
he's doing, and I don't think that

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Joe Biden's directing him. I totally
agree that when you have a permanent DC

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class that all shares the same hive
mind, you actually don't need to have

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like memo from Joe Biden to Merritt
Garland, have you done the crimes yet

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of putting my opponent in prison?
You just sort of like all read off

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the same talking points. But it
is also true that they did publish this

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in the New York Times, and
it was sort of like a way to

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legitimize this idea that it's okay to
politically prosecute Republicans and that they don't have

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legal rights and that they don't have
speech rights and they don't have assembly rights,

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And it was intentional, I think, to sort of make everybody see

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like, Okay, we're all going
to change our viewpoint on whether it's good

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to lock someone up, and we're
all going to do it through this like

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house newsletter of the New York Times. And he's not going to jail.

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So he's not going to jail.
He's not going to go to jail.

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I think, David I have already. You should prepare yourself that not only

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is he going to prison, but
like he'll get epsteined there Epstein. No,

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I'm just saying there's like no limit
to what they'll do. So I'm

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not saying it he will, but
you should prepare yourself. I think that

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here's my I'm a I'm I'm a
hopeless optimist, obviously hopeless optimist. So

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I think that this is more about
making sure that j six is again the

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center of attention. They think this
wins them elections. They think this won

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them in the mid term, and
they want it to be the center of

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discussion during the twenty twenty four presidential
race. I mean, that's what I

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feel like. I don't know that
that I don't know that putting him in

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jail actually helps them in any real
way, right, So anyway, that's

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just my favorite risk. The risk
to this one is too that you're basically

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asking people, I mean, the
reason why this is so republic threatening,

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is it turns the entire election into
a referendum on whether you want to be

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a Banana Republic or not. And
because of the Democrat ballot harvesting machine,

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which is very effective, we could
actually, you know, have an election

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where again eighty one million people vote
that they want to become Venezuela or whatever

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Soviet Union. This is a very
difficult time for me, I have to

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say, because as it has been
since twenty sixteen, is that I do

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not like Donald Trump at all,
to say the least, and yet they're

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constantly forcing me to defend the norms
that they're breaking to try to get rid

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of him, because he's like this
godzilla monster keeps marching forward and nothing they

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do can actually stop him. Nothing
they can do can convince forty whatever and

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forty nine percent of people or whatever
that he's you know, hitler. So

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they keep moving forward with more and
more norm breaking ventures that are just undermining

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the Republic, but undermining not only
the rule of law but there how can

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I say it's creating more dogmatic reactions
because you're like, you know, what's

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screw these people? I'm going to
now I love Trump just because you hate

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him, Like there's no other debate, you know what I mean. And

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it's just such a tragic way for
our political system to operate. Yeah,

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it makes me very sad. I
have so many thoughts on this one is

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I was talking to this highly placed
Republican type person definitely not originally a Trump

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fan, worked very hard to keep
him from getting the nomination, but he's

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not someone who liked pick sides now
either. But he was saying that he

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has never had a candidate whose personal
interests so closely aligned with the interests of

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the country as Donald Trump twenty twenty
four. Meaning if you believe, as

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this man does, that the Department
of Justice, that their attack on everything

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rule of law at their attempt to
destroy the country, if you think that's

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a really bad thing, the only
candidate who's like personally embodying that and has

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like a personal interest in fighting as
much as you care about it is Donald

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Trump. And unfortunately, for every
other Republican candidate out there, the Department

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of Justice and the weaponization of the
rule of law is like the number one

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unifying issue of the Republican Party.
So it's like a huge strategic advantage for

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Donald Trump. The problem is he
didn't really do anything about it last time,

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and what happens is they're going to
cook up some other Oh my gosh,

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that's sure. I mean, I'm
not saying that he was. He

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had the I don't even know if
the president can dislodge the bureaucracy in DC.

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And I'm not just talking about the
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acts on its own. Like I've
said a million times, they're managing Americans.

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They're not a representative of the American
people in any real way. And

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I don't know how you dislodge that
whole thing. I don't think he can

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do it. I hear this talking
point from people, it's like, well,

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we elected Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, and he didn't make everything in

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the universe better, so we have
to nominate someone else. I don't think

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I sound like that at all.
Oh my gosh. And it's like you

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didn't actually use those words, Like
just the fact that, unlike every other

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Republican that has had operations against him, that he bought it and won,

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you know, at the Russia collusion
hoax. I don't think there's another Republican

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candidate out there that would have withstood
that or even come close to it.

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And that was just one of the
operations they put against him and showing the

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corruption of the Department of Justice through
their false claim all done through leaks and

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other machinations that Donald Trump had stole
in the twenty sixteen election. That alone

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did more to move the country in
a better direction than I think, you

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know anything else. Did every political
appointee turn out great? No? In

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fact, almost none of them.
But like when you look at actual conservative

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victories, even in our adult lifetime, they're kind of all under Trump,

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right, No, what is a
conservative? Oh? My god? Everything

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a million things that we had.
I've had this argument a million times.

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Everything that the millions of things we
didn't do our victories also, And I

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think that conservatives, though obviously I
was, I'm not a Bush fan.

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I don't think he did. You
know, he did a lot. He

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grew government in ways I didn't like. But there were plenty of victories in

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the Cordine elsewhere. But don't I
don't think that that's a topic for today

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that we want to argue about.
I want to say this though, it

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isn't it funny that the Russia hoax, which everyone believed in the world.

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I see you clenching your fists in
anger. We can do that in another

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episode. That they never appeached him
for the Russian hoax, and this indictment

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does not indict him for inciting the
January sixth ride either. Those are the

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two big talking points. Jack Smith
yesterday had that press conference and he basically

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claimed that Donald Trump had had incited
those riots, even though that's not anywhere

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anywhere in his indictments. It was
a completely political statement that he made,

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because you know, people have others
have pointed out, and it's a very

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political document. I think that's important
to remember. But let's switch subjects for

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a second. I let me set
this up this way. I go to

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sites that you probably don't go to
to check it out. I want to

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give everyone a chance. So I
go to Semaphore, I go to Axios

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places like that. Wait, why
do you think I don't I read everything

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everywhere? Okay, you mocked me
whenever I say I've read this in the

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Washington Post or something. But I
have to go somewhere to read read stuff.

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So anyway, not a single story. First of all, this is

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now everywhere, but even before these
indictments, there wasn't a single story on

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the front of the two sites have
just mentioned about the president of the United

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States being accused essentially of influence trading
and making money off the American government's power,

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or call it briber if you want
not one story. So it doesn't

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surprise me that these indictments came down
exactly when attention was almost because some sites

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did start to report on it almost
Joe Bidens, what I think now is

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just clearly and obviously we have so
much evidence that there was some corruption there.

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Actually, I'll give you a few
more. Oh darn it. I

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just had it and I lost it. Okay. On June seventh, the

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FBI released documents to Congress alleging that
the Bidens took a ten million dollar bribe

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from Barisma. The next day,
Jack Smith issued the indictments on the Marlago

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Classified document this case. On July
twenty sixth, Hunter Biden went to court

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and rejected the sweetheart plea deal after
it was revealed that the dj had tried

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to give him blanket immunity from future
prosecutions. The next day, Jack Smith

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added additional charges for that Marlago classified
documents case. On July thirty first,

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Hunter Biden's former business partner testified to
Congress that Joe Biden was on over twenty

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calls with his son's business on more
than twenty calls. So I'm reading grig

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prices tweets here more than twenty calls
with his son's business partners, and that

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Bresma executives pressured them to get the
prosecutor investigating them fired. The next day,

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Jack Smith indicted Trump again for January
sixth, Like the man actually relishes

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this idea, Like you think you're
coming after my guy. I got more

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and more and more, and I
mean I expect it'll be hundreds of indictments.

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I mean hundreds of charges, multiple
indictments by the time we're done with

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this. The whole thing looks like
a protection racket for Joe Biden. And

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it's not just Joe Biden, Like
it's definitely the Biden family that was involved

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in this pay for play scheme.
But it's really about how all of Washington,

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DC is involved in pay for play
schemes. And they's view rightly Donald

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Trump and his supporters as a major
threat to their operation. And they just

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want you to know, like they
have all the power. You don't matter,

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your vote doesn't matter, your enthusiasm
doesn't matter, like they will crush

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you. And that's what they're trying
to do. Now, whether they succeed

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or not is up to everybody else. That is kind of amazing those dates.

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I had not known that. Well. Listen, you know, even

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if everything about Donald Trump were true, everything about Joe Biden still remains true.

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Right, It's still a massive story. Let's see, Let's say Trump

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is everything they say is. It
doesn't change the fact that Joe Biden was

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a vice president, was on calls
with execcent in Eastern Europe at the same

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time he was the point person for
the promised administration making millions of dollars first

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family. And by the way,
I don't know if people know this from

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their economics class, but dollars are
fungible. I don't care whose bank account

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and the Biden family goes to.
It's going to the Biden family fund.

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Right. Just because you're spreading it
out all over the place doesn't mean anything.

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But I want to quickly just say
I had such a laugh listening to

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their excuses. We're a piece on
this, but my favorite line was so

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one of the excuses is they were
just talking about the weather, which no

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sentient human being believes is true.
Right, I mean only no one believes

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that, not even the people saying
it. But the one I loved was

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this from Eugene Robinson and m MSNBC. We know how this is why he

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says, Joe Biden took a hunter
calls as they were talking. We know

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how important family is to the president. So what do you do? Hang

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up on your son? Yeah,
yeah, hang up on your crack addicted

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son when he has people from Barisma
on the phone with you, when you're

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supposed to be the point person in
rooting a corruption in that country. Yeah,

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you hang up and call him back, Hugh. As I mentioned,

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he had thirteen burner phones, He's
not hard to reach. You imagine that

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he is little Navy London, who
you have successfully ignored for five years of

408
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her life, and you just do
it, you know, do what you

409
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,480
do, what you've done to your
granddaughter, but do it to him.

410
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:29,279
But yeah, I love the idea
about whether for two reasons. One,

411
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the idea that, oh, by
the way, your opening line in that

412
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,960
piece that you wrote about the excuses
was so funny that I almost want you

413
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160
to pull it up and read it. But Yeah, the idea that the

414
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Biden, that Joe Biden has a
secret passion for meteorology that he only shares

415
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,920
with people who happen to be business
associates of his son, Hunter Biden,

416
00:31:53,119 --> 00:32:00,079
is just funny times, but also, like when you're doing bribery operations or

417
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,240
pay for play schemes or things like
that, the whole point is you want

418
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:07,119
to show that you can get the
powerful person on the phone that he answers

419
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,440
your calls. So even if it
were true, miraculously for Dan Goldman that

420
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:17,440
this was weather chit chat, what
the weather was like in Dubai while you're

421
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,480
in Washington, DC, that itself
would be evidence of how the Biden family

422
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:28,680
business operates. You show that you
can get this guy on the phone at

423
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,279
a moment's notice, and that you
can take their concerns directly to him,

424
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,559
and it doesn't matter what you're talking
about. Just answering the phone is the

425
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:42,279
important thing there. Let me piggyback
that point and say that the idea that

426
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:46,960
he was just creating the illusion of
access tries to frame the entire thing as

427
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,400
Joe being this hapless, goodhearted dad
who was roped into something that was a

428
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680
bit shady, But no, that's
not how it works. If he's allowing

429
00:32:54,759 --> 00:33:00,519
himself to create the illusion of access, he is part of the scheme.

430
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,960
Just illusion of access is just as
bad. It's not as bad as outright

431
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:09,119
access, but it's bad enough.
It's bad enough, and it obviously speaks

432
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,759
to the corrupt nature of those calls. He's vice president, by the ways,

433
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,279
and he's firing the prosecutor who's looking
into Burdhisma. Now, whether he

434
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,799
did it for the right reasons or
the wrong reasons, that's kind of irrelevant.

435
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,039
If he knew that at the same
time, that's what this company that

436
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:30,640
his son was working for wanted to
happen. It's corrupts and that's the best

437
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,640
case scenario for him, right,
and that is already corrupt, you know.

438
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,599
But I will say this one.
Let all right go on good time,

439
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,599
just because you says something about money
being fungible. And I do want

440
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,799
to remind people that we have emails
or texts from Hunter Biden in which he

441
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:53,680
asserts that he pays the bills for
the family and that his dad makes him

442
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,599
pay the bills for the family.
Now, who knows if that is one

443
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,039
hundred percent true or fifty percent true
or not true at all, but he

444
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,199
has asserted he himself has claimed he
pays the bills for the family. And

445
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:15,320
I'm also reminded of something that Avida
Duffy Alonso wrote for us about how Jack

446
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,079
Smith, the man who's got these
novel legal theories that Republicans don't have free

447
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:24,519
speech rights or right to legal counsel, he also was the guy in charge

448
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,360
of investigating and rooting out public corruption
at the time the Bari Smith scheme was

449
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:37,559
happening. He was the head of
the Office of Public Corruption. And he's

450
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,719
conflicted here basically, you know what
I mean, Like, he also looks

451
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,239
bad for allowing all this to go
on when there were bright, blaring loud

452
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,639
flares going up about Biden being the
Ukraine point man. At the same time,

453
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,760
his son was taking loads of cash
that was actually public and that should

454
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,119
have been, you know, acknowledged
by Jack Smith, a who also has

455
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:07,559
a track record of derailing Republican presidential
candidates. You know, he's the guy

456
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:14,599
that used a novel legal theory to
oust Bob McDonnell I think was his name,

457
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:19,800
the Virginia governor from from like his
future political career and was overturned at

458
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,559
the Supreme Court after the damage was
done. Nine to zero. That's how

459
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:29,519
radical Jack Smith is. He gets
overturned by the Supreme Court, which is

460
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:35,800
not known for having no people friendly
to Democrat political Shenanigan's nine to zero.

461
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,039
And this is years ago before the
three Trump nominees. I believe we're in

462
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,119
there, right, But yeah,
now I forgot I was gonna say,

463
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,719
but I think that I want to
talk about the media coverage again for just

464
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,360
a second. It is to me. I know I shouldn't be surprised,

465
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,280
but I just can't. I don't
understand how you cannot even talk about this

466
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,960
massive issue when you're talking about the
President of the United States who was now

467
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,719
clearly I mean there was just tons
of evidence, circumstantial but still evidence that

468
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,000
he took these calls. So I
don't how can we move forward? Yeah,

469
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,960
they're not denying it, Like now
Dan Goldman, who's like the Russia

470
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,760
hoax or impeachment one guy was like
out there like yeah, yeah, he

471
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,760
did talk to the business associates The
New York Times was like we have always

472
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,880
been at right with you know,
like they're all like yeah, So I

473
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,800
guess he did speak to his son's
business associates after lying to the American people

474
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,559
on a national debate stat that's all
I wanted to say. Yeah, so

475
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:44,920
he So, if these were innocuous
phone calls about the weather, why did

476
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,639
he feel a need to lie about
it explicitly over and over again for almost

477
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:52,159
a decade. Why would he lie
about it? And if it was innocuous,

478
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,400
why can't he sit down and explain
what kind of services his family gave

479
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,159
to the Romanians, Chai Coms and
Ukrainians that was worth seventeen million dollars.

480
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,320
It should be a very easy explanation
for that. And literally, other than

481
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,239
maybe two people in the White House
press corps, no one even asks him

482
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,639
any questions about this. No one
asks any questions. And what's her name?

483
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,599
Karean John Pierre. I don't know
if we spoke about this last week,

484
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,960
but she made a like semantic,
a little semantic change, and how

485
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,400
she answers this question, it's no
longer. Oh, he never spoke to

486
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,840
them, He never was in business
with his son, which I agree,

487
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,519
he probably did not sign the corporate
documents making himself CEO of that company.

488
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,480
I would like to remind people of
just how poorly. The news side of

489
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,119
the Wall Street Journal handled this in
the twenty twenty election. So the Wall

490
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:51,400
Street Journal was given information and access
to the emails which are true about how

491
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,159
the Biden family business worked, and
also to a person who's willing to speak

492
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:04,039
with personal knowledge like Devin Archer someone
like that Tony Bobolynski about how Biden was

493
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,159
sort of like the chairman of the
business. And the Wall Street Journal given

494
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:15,599
all of this explosive, unbelievable like
information about this paper play business, was

495
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:21,639
like, we looked at the paperwork
and Joe Biden's name wasn't actually on the

496
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,760
paperwork, So yes, he was
referenced as the big guy who got ten

497
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,480
percent, but we didn't see any
actual ten percent payoffs. So actually,

498
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,079
this is pretty great for Joe Biden, and it took the editorial page,

499
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:42,360
which at the Wall Street Journal,
the editorial page is very interesting in that

500
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,119
they're like the only editorial page of
a major newspaper in the States that believes

501
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:52,679
that they also should report, not
just be pundits. And so they did

502
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:59,559
their own investigation and revealed just how
like shady this was, but really really

503
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,440
bad work by the Wall Street Journal. News page there, and it's like

504
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:06,840
a big reason why you can't really
trust them on their new side. Unfortunately,

505
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,639
it's kind of amazing. When there
is some bubbling controversy. Let's say

506
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,880
in twenty eighteen and Donald Trump,
let's say it's Russia hoax stuff. No

507
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,679
one says, hey, there's no
smoking gun here. They're like, this

508
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,519
is happening, we need to investigate
more. Or this could mean this,

509
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:24,599
this could mean that. They didn't
even say that like that. Of course

510
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:29,039
they believe oh my gosh, yeah, but like there's no smoking gun.

511
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,880
The story doesn't make sense. Nobody's
on the record. There's perfectly innocent explanations.

512
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,280
There's nothing here at all. And
you have like texts of Hunter Biden

513
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,719
being like, I'm the bagman for
the family business. I pay the bills.

514
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,960
My dad is the guy I get
on the phone to make sure people

515
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:46,920
know that he's accessible, and people
are like, I just don't see anything.

516
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,039
I don't really what are you guys
even talking about. We've got videotape

517
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,039
of Joe Biden saying that he accomplished. What we now have from you know,

518
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,519
testimony from Devin Archer is what the
people paying Hunter Biden wanted the firing

519
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,400
of Shoko, Joe Biden was like, by the way, I did that

520
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:09,039
single handedly on my own, by
threatening to withhold money unless I got what

521
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:14,320
I wanted. He's on videotape saying
that less than a year after he did

522
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,760
it right, And people are like, I just don't see anything. There

523
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,480
are Treasury Department documents of suspicious activity
reports about all the money flowing into shell

524
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:29,280
organizations run by the Biden family,
and Democrats are like, when are you

525
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,440
going to have any evidence of anything
here? It's just like insane they have

526
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,880
I always wonder why would all these
people who have said that Joe Biden is

527
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,599
involved in the family business, who
had nothing to do with each other,

528
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:49,320
who made these claims years apart from
each other, sometimes years before anyone knew

529
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,559
he would even run for president.
Why would they all make up the same

530
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:58,559
lie about a guy who most of
them don't really have any personal or political

531
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,679
problem with. It doesn't make any
sense. But the thing about the evidence

532
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,199
is that whenever a reporter sees a
real reporter, which we have very few

533
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,039
of left, sees something happening that
could be a potential, uh you know,

534
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,679
scandal, you get excited, you're
like, let's keep digging till we

535
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,039
find evidence. Now with this,
there always like there is no evidence that

536
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,840
Joe Biden did this. There is
no evidence, Like because you're not looking,

537
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,599
you're never going to find any evidence. The House has had to do

538
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,679
it in a smaller places, like
the federalists have had to do it.

539
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:32,199
No major news organization does anything.
We're piecing together a puzzle. And it's

540
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,800
not that there weren't indications, Like
there was this piece by Adam Enos,

541
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,079
who was one of the Russia coclusion
hoaxeres at the Washington Post, but then

542
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,719
he was at it was at the
New Yorker, and it was early on

543
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,480
in the twenty twenty presidential campaign.
He was like, so, hunter Biden

544
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,079
took a lot of bribes from corrupt
communist Chinese officials, but it was kind

545
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,719
of buried in this like gauzy,
five thousand word thing, and it was

546
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,800
clearly done. More like, let's
get this negative stuff out here so that

547
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,039
we can say we covered it and
moved on. Now. In a sane

548
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,880
world, journalists would look at that
and go, holy schmule, let's dig

549
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,440
over here. This sounds like it's
going to be right, first off,

550
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:14,800
and instead they were like, I
suspect you know that if we keep digging

551
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,800
around Trump, even though we have
like analyzed everything from the cost of a

552
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,320
hamburger at Trump Tower to all the
global financial arrangements, like we're gonna we're

553
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,480
gonna get pay out there versus the
Biden family business, which was clearly about

554
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:36,639
changing US policy in response for payments
to Biden family members, you know,

555
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,119
of actual voter interest. You know, here's a theory of mine. When

556
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,920
when find first announced, I think
a lot of the press wasn't sure that

557
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000
he would win or didn't want him
to win. They wanted someone more progressive,

558
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:51,280
someone you know, more dynamic.
So in those in those in that

559
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,320
like six month period, they were
like, we should bring him down a

560
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,599
little bit, you know, and
they would have like stories about how he

561
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:59,719
was closied up to segregation and so
they would have a story about how he

562
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,079
took bris you know, even though
it was kind of buried and they tried

563
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,559
to think um week in his candidacy
in some way, and then they realize,

564
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,199
oh man, he's gonna be He's
gonna be the non like we got

565
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,480
to stop doing this, and they
pulled back, you know. So there

566
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,639
already even stories out there, yeah
even now yeah, yeah, yeah,

567
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:21,840
we could pretend to be journalists for
the problem is they really there is no

568
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,840
good alternative right now. You know, he's an incumbent. Frankly, Trump

569
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,760
is incumbent too, and that's part
of the problem. I think anyone running

570
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,480
against him has um. So,
I don't know, it's it's a message.

571
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,280
Do you want to you mentioning Biden
and how he ran? I want.

572
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,719
I was thinking about some campaign stuff
and I always like to just share

573
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,920
it while I'm thinking it. So
um. When Biden ran in twenty twenty,

574
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:52,039
he presented himself as if he were
a very moderate and reasonable candidate,

575
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,840
someone who would stop the drama and
who would not have the far left policies

576
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,920
of the other people that were running, you know, like the Bernie Sanders,

577
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,559
Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris times.
And once he won, he's like

578
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,079
just as crazy, like there's not
really a disunity. Would be different,

579
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,320
would be different? Yeah, Okay. Donald Trump has really frustrated me with

580
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:21,079
how he attacks Ron de Santis for
doing conservative things, and you know what

581
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,679
I mean, Like he'll be like, um, he went after Disney.

582
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,480
It's like, well, I'm actually, I'm sure you agree with Donald Trump

583
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:32,239
on that, but I actually like
that intersecting opinions. Yes, but it

584
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,679
occurred to me he's running a Democrat
style campaign. Democrats always pretend to be

585
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:44,599
more moderate than they actually end up
governing. Republicans pretend to be more conservative

586
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,960
than they claim to be during the
primary, but then they actually governed like

587
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:52,880
they or they governed that way or
even worse once they're in office. They're

588
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,239
like I said, I was pro
life, but I'm not really going to

589
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,559
do anything on it. But I
think I could be wrong, but Trump

590
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,239
is running a Democrat style campaign where
he's attacking all these other people, mostly

591
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,360
Runda Santis, as being too far
to the right, when if he were

592
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:14,480
to be reelected, he would totally
run a Runda Santis style operation nationally.

593
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,360
Like, I think he learned a
lot from his first term, and it's

594
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,760
it's just weird to me to see
that in action. Now. It's possible

595
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,199
that, you know, he'll start, if he were to win, start

596
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,280
nominating different types of justice judges or
justices, But I don't think so does

597
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,440
that make sense what I'm saying there? Yeah, you see, I see

598
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,880
it, maybe just slightly differently.
I think Donald Trump is running his general

599
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,639
presidential campaign right now, which he
can because he's so far up, so

600
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,159
he can take the most moderate position. Well, DeSantis still has to try

601
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,719
to win the primary, so he's
got to appeal to people who are conservative,

602
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,599
and he does it. He tries
to do it both in his record.

603
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,280
And here's the thing, I don't
know that it's going to matter what

604
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,000
Desanta says or what he does or
who he hires. He's running against the

605
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,400
incumbent who is massively famous and a
lot of people have a lot of loyalty

606
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,320
too, and it doesn't matter what
a good job he did. It doesn't

607
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,239
matter what the memes are aren't.
I just I don't know how he wins

608
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,320
that race right now. I mean, it could change. I think it's

609
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:14,280
o no. I told some of
my friends who are super super Ronda Scantis

610
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,519
fans that like a year ago that
I didn't really see how he could do

611
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:22,079
it without dividing the Republican Party.
And they made so much fun of me

612
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,719
for like six months, and I
almost texted one of them recently to be

613
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,960
like, let's revisit what I thought
would happen here. I know it's like

614
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,679
going basically how I thought it would
happen. But I do want to say

615
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:37,760
one thing about Ronda Santis. I
watched this interview the other night. He

616
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,320
was on special report for like the
Bulk of the Hour in this long,

617
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:47,039
wide ranging interview with Brett bare and
first off, I just want to say

618
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:52,079
I tweeted out that I thought he
was answering the questions very well and substantively.

619
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:57,159
And one of those like super annoying
Ronda Santis spots that are on Twitter.

620
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,679
They get mad at you if you
say anything critical about Ronda Santists,

621
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:04,360
but they also get mad at you
if you say something positive. Because I

622
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,599
was like, I thought he was
doing a great job, and it goes

623
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:10,679
like this person he must be doing
a horrible job because this person says he's

624
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,079
doing a good job and we know
that she doesn't argue in good faith or

625
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:16,639
whatever. I was like, oh
my gosh, when you're angry when people

626
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,000
are saying nice things about your candidate, it is time to step away from

627
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,119
Twitter. But all of the questions
I thought he answered so well, like

628
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:31,480
they were complicated and like different topics
except for one category, So like he'd

629
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,960
be asked about foreign policy, or
why he was doing some of his pushback

630
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,760
against corporate attacks on the people of
Florida, you know, all this kind

631
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,960
of stuff. And he was great, He knew his stuff. There was

632
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
not anything he could be caught on. His foreign policy answers were just truly

633
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:52,079
great. But when he talked about
Trump, it enraged me, Like,

634
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,480
not just because I think he was
saying some false things about it, but

635
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,320
I was like, I just it
annoyed me to hear him going after him,

636
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,559
and I'm like, well, this
is just this is I think I

637
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,440
think a lot of voters feel that
way, obviously, given how much he

638
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,679
struggled in the polls. But it
was just weird to observe how good he

639
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:17,880
was on policy stuff and then like
how he didn't seem to think through how

640
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,880
awful it comes off when he attacks
Trump. And I know it's unfair because

641
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,440
Trump has done literally almost nothing,
sorry not literally, He's done very little

642
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,719
other than attack Ronda Santis for the
last nine months. But that's just the

643
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,519
way it is. Unfortunately for him. It is amazing to deal with both

644
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,639
sides of that issue. And obviously, I'm would be far more predisposed to

645
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,559
vote for Ronda Santis and Donald Trump, but anything you say, they have

646
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,440
to like put it into that framing
and that puzzle somehow. So the other

647
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:51,199
day I'd back to back tweets to
upset people, and the first one was

648
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,320
about how I would, you know, my shtick about how I'd vote for

649
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,960
a robot if they did what I
wanted, Like, charisma doesn't matter to

650
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,320
me. It's very hard for me
to understand why it matters to anyone else.

651
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,280
So right away everyone took that as
a pro de Santis there, because

652
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,079
he's obviously the robot in this equation. But then I also tweeted something about

653
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:07,960
this, I don't want to get
into it, but he was you know

654
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,159
who I think is an anti Semite
who worked for Ron De Santis, and

655
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,719
just pointed that out, and everyone
like immediately is like, how can you

656
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,679
you know you're just falling into the
trap of helping Trump in this and that

657
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,239
It's like people can't have a position
on anything without it somehow either being about

658
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,800
De Santas or Trump or Trump and
everyone else. It's a really stupid way

659
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,039
to look at the world. And
I just don't understand it. But you

660
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:30,760
can't really fight it online, and
you shouldn't really try, because it's just

661
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:37,320
these people. In fact, probably
most Republican type people like both Trump and

662
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,320
Desantists, or the idea that you're
not allowed to like both of them or

663
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,880
have like thoughtful criticism of both of
them. It's just insane. Okay.

664
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,119
I do want to say another thing
about I ask you one quick questions about

665
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,320
Sis. Do you think there's any
chance on earth that Trump would name him

666
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,079
as a VP? Yes? I
do. It's funny. I think Trump

667
00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,719
is so he can say whatever he
wants and just back out of He doesn't

668
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,920
care. It's about winning. For
him. It's a game to win,

669
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,440
and I think he would actually I
don't know if the Santis would take it,

670
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,159
but I think he would. He
would definitely dominate it. So this

671
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,159
is what I think is funny.
People always say about Trump that he's like

672
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,760
too petty and personal, like it
takes things personally or whatever. I'm like,

673
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,599
Oh, that is the example I
would use. He absolutely would be

674
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,360
willing to name ron De Santis as
his VP, but I don't think Ronda

675
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,239
Santist could take it because a lot
of politicians do take things personally, and

676
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,559
I think you've got to bend the
knee, right you got to bend the

677
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,239
knee to Trump to get that.
Well, I mean, their whole job

678
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,880
as politicians is to kind of know
how to be diplomatic about stuff like this.

679
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,119
But okay, on the Ronda Santis
being a robot front, I also

680
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,320
I think maybe I actually prefer semi
autistic folks, you know, like I

681
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,800
Actually it's how I like to be
communicated with. It's how I communicate.

682
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,800
You know. We always joke at
the Federalists that you're not allowed to have

683
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,280
you're not allowed to take offense.
You know, a lot of us work

684
00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:00,280
remotely means we're emailing things and you're
not just you're not allowed to be like

685
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,239
upset that the tone was off or
anything that I especially can't get upset because

686
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,480
I especially am the target of your
jibe and everyone else is for being a

687
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:15,000
cock. Doesn't want to remind everybody
that you shared the pictures of your dog

688
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:20,400
when you were getting mocked by your
colleagues. I love that anyway, your

689
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:27,280
husband literally asked me about my dog
who was sick. So okay, I

690
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:31,400
thought that Rohn de Santis was like
a million times better in this Brett Bear

691
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:37,239
interview than he had been in like
say, a year ago. He is

692
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,519
robotic, but he's like the terminator
and how he improves, like he just

693
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:46,000
keeps on becoming more and more human. And I thought that he was more

694
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:49,960
nuanced, that he was able.
There are things he has to learn,

695
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,960
like how to communicate, how to
communicate complex policy things in a way that

696
00:51:54,039 --> 00:52:00,840
average voters connect with. He's improving
on that. He answered the foreign policy

697
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,320
questions in a way that I think
matches with most Republican voters but definitely not

698
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:10,199
the DC crowd. And he did
it in a really careful way to avoid

699
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,960
traps. And think, you know, I just he's getting better, That's

700
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,039
all I'm saying. Yeah, I
think what is somewhat a maybe counterintuitive or

701
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,599
maybe contrarian position on what he should
be doing, and that is I think

702
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,519
actually he should lean in on attacking
Trump, but not in the way he

703
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,800
has been doing it, but just
in a way that he should be talking

704
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:37,880
about policies and failures of effectiveness of
Trump, but not even attacking Trump personally,

705
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,599
but just saying I'm going to do
these things better. I just he

706
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:44,119
has to distinguish himself in some sense
policy wise. It's his only chance.

707
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,880
No nobody listens to me or asks
me for my advice on these things.

708
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:53,039
But what I would have done consistently
and without fail from the beginning is put

709
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:58,280
myself next to Trump, just like
Rondis Santis did in twenty eighteen, which

710
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,000
which really worked for him, and
never criticize, but just emphasize that you

711
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,880
could do it better, you know, almost like in a you say,

712
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,119
I love this man. I love
what he's done, I love the movement,

713
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:13,519
I love how he brought us in
a new direction as in the Republican

714
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:17,480
Party. And I hate what the
deep state is doing to him, and

715
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:21,800
I hate what the permanent DC bureaucracy
is doing to him. And I will

716
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,480
do everything in my power to make
that go away. But because of all

717
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,239
that, like I think I can
actually take that legacy and make it stronger

718
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:37,119
so that you're not in Florida,
etc. Yeah. Yeah, and you

719
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,039
it's a very it's a very difficult
argument to make. I mean, it's

720
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,920
kind of like gets down to whether
you should be running at all in the

721
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,000
first place. But I think he
could have done it, but he didn't.

722
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:51,440
He did not ask my opinion or
care what it is. Again,

723
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,480
I just want to quickly say it
is really like early. I know it's

724
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,239
it's it's a weird primary and it's
gonna be very hard to overcome for him.

725
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,199
But I think, you know,
to see them in a couple of

726
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,239
debates. I don't even know if
Donald Trump's going to debate him, but

727
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,280
if you do see them in some
debates, you know, you know,

728
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,480
it might help him. I just
don't think normal people are thinking about the

729
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,079
presidential election yet. Anyway. Do
you want to get off politics and talk

730
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,519
about culture? Yeah? I do, because last week you said something about

731
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:23,199
have I seen the Family episode of
The Bear And I did, and it

732
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,519
was one of the worst things I've
ever seen. Thank you me. I

733
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,400
agree. I stopped watching the show. Okay, you should not have,

734
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,639
though, because the very next episode
is one of the best things I've ever

735
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,480
seen on television. Okay. I
am obsessed with the Ritchie character, the

736
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:42,880
Cousin character. Yeah, yeah,
I think I don't know who that actor

737
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,280
is. I've never seen him before. I know this person in real life.

738
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:50,599
He is in the Wars. Yeah, he is in the Star Wars

739
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:55,159
series and or Okay, and I'm
the same character. I love the actor's

740
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,239
portrayal of the character. I love
the character and and the very next episode

741
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:07,760
was one of the best paced,
best composed episodes of television I've seen.

742
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:14,039
But back to that seven Fishes disaster, which I was actually looking on Twitter

743
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,599
to see what people said about it
and was appalled to see people praising it

744
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,920
because it was like, to me, it was like a good episode if

745
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,719
you're stupid, if you don't understand
how to be subtle. I actually know

746
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:30,199
people who have families like this,
and it was so over the top as

747
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:35,320
to be absurd, and everyone was
chewing up the scenery so much like give

748
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,920
me my emmy. Well, listen. I did not like it because it

749
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,519
hit a little close to home,
and I'm not saying it was anything like

750
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,280
that, but there's a lot of
tensions sometimes during family time. There used

751
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,159
to be so but I thought the
acting, yeah, was over the top.

752
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,920
I didn't enjoy, Like, listen, let me put it this way.

753
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,920
A lot of times people will say
you want to go see this movie

754
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,760
and I'm like, what's the movie
about it? And they're like, well,

755
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,679
you know, kids are being trapped
and someone I'm like, I'm out,

756
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,400
no, like I don't want to
see anything, and there's like a

757
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,199
sad movie. Someone dies, like
Uh, you know, I forgot what

758
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,679
movie someone wanted me to see,
and I'm like, no, I have

759
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,760
no interest in that. I went
to see Mission Impossible ten or whatever.

760
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,440
That's what I want. Empty calories, lock going on story is absolutely they're

761
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,840
literally chasing for a key in the
twenty first century. It is incredibly dumb,

762
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,960
and you're just like, I love
it. One scene after the next

763
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,559
is just a lot of fun.
I supposed to learn that movie didn't do

764
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,039
very well in the box office because
I thought it was pretty yeah, underperformed.

765
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,960
I loved Mission Impossible. I think
I said this to you earlier that

766
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,280
I turned to Mark at one point, who I'm now calling Mark and not

767
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,760
Mark Hemingway because with Raiders complaint.
But I turned to him and I was

768
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,679
like, this is unrealistic, and
he's like, oh, did you come

769
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:52,199
to Mission Impossible for a super realistic
depiction of you know? But every time

770
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,480
I'm on a train now I'm right
back at the end of the movie and

771
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,880
the train scene, and I just
loved how stupid and great it was.

772
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:04,840
Um. I did watch another movie, though, okay, which was the

773
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:10,599
first time I've seen it. Sixth
cents the first time you've seen it,

774
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:16,639
Huh. I knew joined as much
because you knew the twist, right.

775
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,159
Yeah, but I loved it,
and in a way it didn't ruin it

776
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,400
for me at all to watch it
that way. I also think that Haley

777
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,119
Joel Osmond guy is really good,
good good actor, was a good job

778
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:35,000
thirty years ago, Bruce Willis and
everything. I really thought it was well

779
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,400
done. My favorite joke about that
movie comes from Nate Bargatsy, who says

780
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:42,920
that they literally what, they literally
killed the guy in the first scene.

781
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,119
I'm sorry spoiler if you haven't seen
it. It's too bad they kill the

782
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,320
guy in the first scene. But
yeah, we believe that his wife didn't

783
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,280
talk to him and was mad at
him, instead of believing that he was

784
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,000
killed, and we fall for it
every time. It's more believable that his

785
00:57:55,079 --> 00:58:01,119
wife simply didn't have a single word
with him, yea, rather than the

786
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,880
guy who saw it get shot in
the gut first scene, first scene.

787
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,920
Yeah, I thought that was a
good movie. It's a shame that what's

788
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,599
that director's name never could repeat kind
of the magic of that movie. It's

789
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:22,199
you know, m Night Shamalan.
Shamalan. Yeah, I saw a few

790
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:28,599
movies have a list somewhere great I
watched I got so I'm in a rut.

791
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,400
There's nothing for me. I'm watching
Justified. It's terrible, the new

792
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,800
series. So I've been looking for
something else. I can't find anything,

793
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,280
So I decided to go and watch
some older movies. First one I watched

794
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:43,079
was The Getaway with Steve McQueen,
which i've seen seen before. The Getaway

795
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,199
with Steve, Steve McQueen and Ally
mcgron. Great movie. People should watch

796
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:49,280
it. And then I got on
a Kubrick kick, Stanley Kubrick kick,

797
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,280
So I went back and watched his
old movies. The first one's called The

798
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,519
Killing. It's a heist movie.
Excellent. You know, you got to

799
00:58:55,559 --> 00:59:00,159
get over the fifties, you know, dialogue kind of like, you know,

800
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,559
way they filmed things. But then
I don't know if you've ever seen

801
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:06,920
this movie. I think you would
really enjoy it if you did. It's

802
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,159
one of the I think great anti
war movies ever made. It's called Paths

803
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:15,239
of Glory Douglass. It's a it's
sort of reminds me a little bit of

804
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:21,000
my favorite movie, Breaker Morant.
It's a trial movie set in World War

805
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:27,880
One French soldier. Soldiers are accused
of cowardice, and it is fantastic.

806
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,719
It's an early Kubrick movie. You
know, you can already tell that.

807
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,519
You know he was. He was
a great filmmaker. So those are the

808
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:38,480
three movies I watched, and that's
it for me. Okay, anything else.

809
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:40,760
We didn't even mention any kind of
music. I don't know what I'm

810
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,320
going to use too as the outro. Have you been listening to anything interesting

811
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,360
lately? I'll just say on that
note that I have found them. I've

812
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,000
not liked the Bear season two as
much as I liked The Bear season one,

813
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:00,599
but I have found them music to
be interesting, both because because it

814
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:05,360
seems very gen X for a for
a show that's really about younger people,

815
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:09,199
but also because they keep playing that
one Rim song over and over throughout the

816
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:13,800
season. I forget the name of
that. My husband's super into Rim.

817
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:16,760
You know. I had the same
exact thought, because I was like,

818
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:22,519
I feel like gen X people wrote
this show because or maybe scorted or whatever,

819
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:25,840
because they played like the Replacements and
they have other very gen XE type

820
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,519
music. So okay, you gave
me a good idea. I'm gonna I

821
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,360
got the Outra music. Yeah,
all right, Okay, I wonder what's

822
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,280
going to happen next week, what
we can be talking about. Maybe we

823
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,039
have more indictment. Yeah, I
hopefully have a republic to talk about that.

824
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:45,519
Okay, until then, be lovers
of freedom and anxious for the fact