1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,280 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Rangdalschampars incident. It doesn't 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,199 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,160 heads. It's so gothic. Garie Sorcier really standing in the cleary. He 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,839 turned over to my father, held his hand, and he looked in his 6 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:27,800 eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live 7 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:32,759 show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Matter Radio Network. Please remember to visit the website podcastufo dot com for past 9 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:44,240 episodes, blogs and forums. During the show, feel free to participate live 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,280 in our chat room, and don't forget to like us on our very active 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,920 Facebook page. Hello, this is Martin willis your host of podcast UFO, 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,359 And in just a couple of minutes, Alejandro Rojas will be joining me for 13 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:02,000 the news. Andy claims he has a surprise guest to join in. I 14 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,719 have no idea who it is. It's kind of exciting. Actually, our 15 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:11,959 guest this evening is doctor David Jacobs, and he'll be talking about his new 16 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:18,439 book Walking among us the alien plan to control humanity, and I'm sure we're 17 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:21,359 going to be talking about a lot of other things as well. It's Veterans 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Day here in the US. 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I mentioned a while back that 27 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:05,959 a bunch of people offered to do graphics for our new podcast, UFO T 28 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:10,639 shirts. I think there was about thirteen people contacting me. Well, we 29 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:16,000 got four of those people out of thirteen that actually presented some graphics. So 30 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:20,840 if you'd like to go to our website right on our sidebar, you will 31 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,719 see you can get to that page to vote. We need you to vote. 32 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,439 We have two weeks left for anyone to cast their vote on what graphic 33 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,120 you want for a T shirt. So that's right on the show notes or 34 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:38,039 right on our sidebar. You can see how to get there. And I 35 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,400 think that's just about it. So that closes, by the way, November 36 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:46,960 eighteenth, and that's enough for me. So Alejandro and your mystery guests, 37 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,439 how are you? I'm doing good? How are you good? Good? 38 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:55,439 Do you want to bring on the mystery guest? Now it's David Jacobs, 39 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:00,919 just kidding, actually though he is speaking at the UFOCON grace. He is, 40 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:05,240 so you should spend a lot of your interview with him talking about the 41 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:08,919 UFO Congress and how exciting it is that he's speaking there and stuff like that. 42 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:15,159 All right, I might know. Actually I'll let our guests introduce himself. 43 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:23,879 All right, Hello guest. Hello, This is Honold Arnold. Hi, 44 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,639 Arnold? How well? Are you not bad? Arnold? No? 45 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Actually? Got yeah? My name is this Ruben Judiocti from oh northern California. 46 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:38,439 How are you? Hey? How are you doing Ruben? Yes, 47 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,000 Ruben's been on the show, Alejandro, Oh he has good Yes, yeah, 48 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,000 okay for a while. That's right. It has Yeah, I think 49 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 it was last year or so. Ruben, you joined me with your partner. 50 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:53,199 You've written some books with him. His name is who is mister? 51 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,120 That's right? Yeah? Yeah, so KNOWE and Ruben will be speaking at 52 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,240 the Travis Walton conference this weekend. And so now he came in or Ruben 53 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,719 came in today, No, he comes in tomorrow and then I'll be driving 54 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:09,199 them out there. So that's gonna be a lot of fun. So that's 55 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:11,759 why Ruben's here. And I figured since he was in the office and I 56 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,360 was doing the interview, would be kind of fun if he joined us for 57 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:19,000 the news. Absolutely. Now that's the fortieth anniversary is tomorrow for the Travis 58 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Walton and the Fire sky our Skyfire what's the name? Yeah, the Skyfire 59 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Summit, Yeah, exactly. And tomorrow is the fortieth anniversary of the event, 60 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:35,000 and Ruben and I and others will be at the location where it happened 61 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:41,639 at dusk, which is when it happened, and we possibly make it beamed 62 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,720 by a ship and taken away. Yeah, I'm gonna push I'm gonna push 63 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,160 Ruben in the way, and yeah, he's They're all gonna leave me. 64 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,959 Well, a few weeks ago I had I had Michael Shermern and he totally, 65 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,360 uh, he just came out and said that Travis was lying. The 66 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:02,240 whole thing was a hoax, and he had had to do with him getting 67 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,439 a paycheck for work that wasn't completed. So ridiculous that they make such an 68 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:14,160 assumption. And you know, Travis speaks to that theory that they had to 69 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,079 get a paycheck, and he talks about how, you know, them creating 70 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,800 this elaborate hoax would not get them out of the work that they had to 71 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:29,680 do. So if you asked Travis about it, you know, the theory 72 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,240 just doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Well I didn't agree with him at 73 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:39,439 all on that, and yeah, I stood up for Travis. But because 74 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,480 I really truly believe I believe that story. I believe Travis. You know, 75 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,360 he's I've talked to him I many times about it, and it's just 76 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,560 you know, it's well, you know what solid one if you asked me, 77 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,959 really cool is that? And you know what would be great, Actually 78 00:05:56,079 --> 00:06:00,360 you're going to be talking to David Jacobs ask him his theory about as well, 79 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:01,600 because I don't know what it is. I think it'd be interesting to 80 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:10,920 hear what he thinks about it, especially given his perspective. But what's really 81 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,439 been fascinating with you know, my girlfriend has been putting together this event and 82 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,160 over the years I've worked with these witnesses, and you know, the witnesses 83 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,240 kind of bigger back and forth almost like brothers, like people have known each 84 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:27,360 other their entire life, but they don't bigger about what happened or if anything 85 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,360 happened, and they all individually are dealing with what happened. One of them 86 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:39,879 his email address is ken Ufo. And because this event, all of them 87 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:46,480 have trands or they have different perceptions about what happened to them, but they 88 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,000 don't, you know, none of them deny what happened, and you can 89 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,560 tell it's had an effect on each of them differently. And as much as 90 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,920 they fight, you know, I think with as much has gone on through 91 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:01,800 the years, one of them would have said, oh, he's lying, 92 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,240 that person is lying. But that's not the case, you know, Uh, 93 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:12,600 it's it even when they have disagreements, and these are not like sophisticated 94 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,720 people. I would say, these aren't you know, people who are out 95 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,160 there promoting themselves like some of the other people in this field who you know, 96 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:24,959 you question their motives. These are just regular guys, you know, 97 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,959 living their lives. And I have not seen any indication working with any of 98 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,240 these guys that that has given me any doubt. And that's what's kind of 99 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,920 fun too, is that we're going to have more of the witnesses that have 100 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:46,000 than have ever been together this weekend. And the police officer who was the 101 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,040 first on the scene and you know what, Karen, you know my girlfriend 102 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:54,560 is the one who got ahold of him and got him there. Travis and 103 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,639 none of the guys know what he's even going to say, and they're not 104 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,199 against him coming. They're like, great, you know, that would be 105 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,240 great to hear what he has to say. So they don't even know. 106 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,800 He could just say, oh, this was a hoax and these guys were 107 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,639 full of it. They don't even know. And I think that speaks to 108 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,519 how that they're not afraid of anybody coming and talking about their opinion or their 109 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,360 experience with the event. Wow, that's great. If I could, yeah 110 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:26,879 make a point. I've known Travis now for for for a while and I've 111 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:31,079 had a chance to really get to know him at a number of our conferences 112 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:37,120 where he was our features guest speaker, and the thing that always stand out 113 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,200 for me, of course, you know he's just a one heck of a 114 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:45,000 humble guy, you know, a straight shooter. But the other thing I 115 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,960 he when the question is asked, well, what would you do if this 116 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:52,120 happened to you again? And he said, I won't tell anybody. Hmmm. 117 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,039 He says, I would want to want to go through what I had 118 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,720 to go through. But but obviously, you know he's gone through so much 119 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,000 over the years, and his mission is to make sure that the story is 120 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:09,360 told correctly and rather than having other people interpret and or misrepresent his story. 121 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,559 So tomorrow is going to be really awesome and the rest of the week and 122 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:22,279 Alejandro and Karen it worked very hard along with Travis and a number of other 123 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,360 people who put this conference together. So it'd being the fourth anniversary, this 124 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,879 is going to be a very special event. Karen's done an amazing job. 125 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Yes, I didn't realize that that Karen was your Karen. Yeah, Mike, 126 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,639 Karen, yeah, huh. Because we had a conversation getting some people 127 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,840 speaking of Lee Spiegel, one of them for one to pipe up and talk 128 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:50,120 about the conference coming up tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, well great. Did 129 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:54,879 you have any news or I do every week? I got news bita, 130 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,120 all right, okay, so the news this week. This one's kind of 131 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,679 fun because it is story written by Roger marsh from Moufon for a site, 132 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:07,519 and this was about a Texas siting that included a photograph where these people said 133 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,639 they saw something bright. They took a picture that the kid in the car 134 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,679 took the picture, and then in the picture there's kind of this cylindrical object 135 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,919 that turned up so kind of a weird photo. It's kind of cool because 136 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,399 San Antonio newspaper picked up this story and wrote about it today, some people 137 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,639 have been debating. One person said they think it looks like a road sign 138 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:39,039 that is blurred from motion blur. I don't know that I necessarily see that. 139 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:41,600 It does kind of look like it's an object that might be affected by 140 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:46,639 motion blur, but it's not like apparently obvious what this might be. So 141 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,559 it'd be great if your listeners could look at that and if anybody can tell, 142 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:54,639 what do you think Ruben of that picture? To tell it's hard to 143 00:10:54,639 --> 00:11:03,600 tell an image faded out image above us. It's do you determine if it's 144 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,600 closer to the to the street or if it's far off at a distance. 145 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,440 Yeah, it's hard to tell even how close to the object they are. 146 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,960 But kind of an interesting picture. Now, is this the one where it's 147 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,440 a it's looking vertical like a cylindrical Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yes, 148 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:26,360 that is really an interesting picture and that will be on our show notes and 149 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:31,799 well as well as link to Open Minds dot tv for the whole story. 150 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:37,399 It is kind of funny. Ruberenet is pointing below the pictures is another giant 151 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,720 cylindrical object. But that's a giant rolled up SOD or I think it's hay 152 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:46,399 or sod. Actually, I think it's SOD and still has taken where in 153 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:52,279 Texas? This is in uh Frisco, Frisco, getting frisky and Frisco. 154 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,159 So we have unidentified flying sod. Is that what you're trying to say? 155 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:03,919 Yeah, well it's not flying. We have identified stagnant laying their side. 156 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:09,960 Okay, nothing, but we do have another one. This is a video 157 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:15,480 from California. And this one's kind of strange, and I'll play this for 158 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,279 Ruben's sake. I don't know if you saw this one. Have Martin, 159 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:24,879 but it's the video is not that great because it seems like I don't know 160 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:30,039 what's going on with the camera here, but it's just these lights in the 161 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,440 sky. He actually took three videos and we have a on a site the 162 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,399 best out of the three. But these lights kind of turning on and off. 163 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:46,039 They're multi colored and just kind of weird. The witness says he thinks 164 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:50,799 that these lights were interacting with each other, that perhaps one of them beamed 165 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:52,639 one of the others. He thinks, you know, maybe they were battling 166 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,679 up there or something. I don't know about that because they do most of 167 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,519 the time look like they're in place, but they do turn on and off 168 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:05,399 and they are different colors. So kind of an interesting video there from Cashpro 169 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:09,360 Valley, California. So that's right next door to where I live. Where 170 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,559 do you live at I'll live in Hayward. Oh yeah, so I know 171 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,559 where that is. Casher Valley is right next door. We've gotten some other 172 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:22,240 footages from other witnesses in the past in that area there. It's definitely yeah, 173 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,200 and this is a fun case just to be follow up with one of 174 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,919 our investigators, and in fact, I think, let me see usually Roger 175 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,480 will put in the story and I can't remember on this one. If it 176 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:39,759 was investigated, you probably wouldn't know who it was. Call me the county. 177 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:45,559 The state section director, Kim investigated it and closed it as an unknown 178 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,679 Okay. Kim comes from San Francisco area, which is near where you are. 179 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:52,679 Yes, we're right here in the San Francisco Bay area. So this 180 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,360 is We have a several investigators that live in Kim's one of them. Are 181 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:03,919 you still you were a section director now to the state director for Northern California, 182 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:09,360 and we have an assistant state director and a chief investigator, and we 183 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:16,879 cover approximately forty five counties just in Northern California alone, and in Southern California 184 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,519 has about thirteen counties. Now, we tend to come and as number one 185 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:28,519 usually every month in terms of how many cases have been reported, but also 186 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,399 there's other lot of sightings going on across the country and other parts of the 187 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,320 world. But Texas tends to be number two, and then we get Florida, 188 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,840 maybe sometimes in Michigan, then in Colorado, and then a number of 189 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:50,080 other states. So each month we get a deluge of cases and it's hard 190 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,919 to keep up Yeah, Ruben, you mentioned you know, Alameda County, 191 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:58,120 and it just made me think of Alameda Island out there where it used to 192 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,679 be an air base. Yeah, and was there ever any sightings around that 193 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,120 base? Did you ever hear any stories about that? Yes? Actually, 194 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:13,679 well, when you along the bay, we've received reports from motorists that are 195 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,200 driving on the San Francisco Bay Bridge, for example, where they've seen strange 196 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:24,399 objects along. Although now Alameda is no longer an air base, right, 197 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:30,600 and now it's a lot of development there, but we get interested. Interestingly, 198 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:37,480 we've gotten a number of reports of objects out there or mostly orbs out 199 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:45,559 there in the out there by Golden Gate also, and I think normally sometimes 200 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:52,480 when we have Fleet Week now that's where the Blue Angels will perform, right, 201 00:15:52,399 --> 00:16:00,759 We've had a couple of occasions where we've had people who submitted their photographs 202 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:06,440 to us where they actually captured an object real close to the Blue Angel formation 203 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:11,559 and that's a new fly zone. Normally when they perform, they close down 204 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,120 everything around a five mile radius, but it's really interesting when they're able to 205 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:21,200 capture someone something. And so some of these reports we had they were determined 206 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,159 as unknown. Wow. Interesting, Well, running a little late here, 207 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,639 but I want to thank you very much. Reuben. It's great to talk 208 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:30,080 to you. Same here, marn thank you and thanks for joining us for 209 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,159 the news. And Alejandro, thanks and we'll be talking to you next week. 210 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,159 All right, thank you, talk to you next week. All right, 211 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,080 everyone, So hanging there for the quick music break and we'll be right 212 00:16:40,120 --> 00:17:37,799 back with David Jacobs. Welcome to the show. David, thank you for 213 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:41,400 having me. Yes, and last time you were on, we were just 214 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,599 talking when we did the sound check. That was a long time ago. 215 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,559 It was I think I think I said it was two thousand and thirteen, 216 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:55,680 right, you said twenty twelve. Twenty twelve. Wow, So anyway, 217 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,920 you were on way back then. Most people, I would say, probably 218 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:06,279 everyone listening right now knows who you are. But this podcast does go international. 219 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,160 So can you just quickly give your background? And I'm kind of fascinated 220 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:18,880 because I know that you were into UFO history too at one time, So 221 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,000 yes, you'd like me to do that now? Yeah, if you don't 222 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,519 mind, just took you know, kind of a quick in a nutshell your 223 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:29,200 background. How you get interested in all that? Well? I got interested 224 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:34,880 in the UFO phenomenon in the mid nineteen sixties, around sixty five sixty six, 225 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:41,480 and that summer I went to my wife and I went to Madison, 226 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:48,640 Wisconsin from UCLA where we were at for graduate school, and I became extremely 227 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,799 interested in it there two and I joined national UFO groups, and I started 228 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:59,400 reading UFO magazines, and I became a quote field investigator end quote, and 229 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:03,000 ran around in interviewing people and all the rest of that sort of thing. 230 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:10,160 And I wound up writing my doctoral dissertation in Wisconsin on the controversy over Unidentified 231 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:17,039 flying Objects, and I just sort of stuck with it after that. In 232 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:22,599 nineteen eighty two, I met Bud Hopkins for the first time and he introduced 233 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,640 me to the abduction phenomenon, which I didn't have a whole lot of interest 234 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:32,920 in beforehand. And in nineteen eighty six, four years later, I started 235 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:41,680 doing my own hypnosis with abductees. And consequently, here we are, and 236 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:48,519 you've written several books. Well, I've published five. The first one was 237 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,799 my dissertation with an added chapter in it more research. The second one, 238 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,240 it was called the UFO Controversy in America, published by Indiana University Press, 239 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,839 and then the second one was called Secret Life, which came out ninety two, 240 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:10,359 which was about abductions. And then five years later The Threat came out, 241 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:15,240 which was also about abductions. Then I published an edited book called the 242 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:22,240 UFOs and Abductions, Challenging the Borders of Knowledge and with ten people who were 243 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,720 very involved with the subject, including one sort of debunker, and that was 244 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,839 published by the University Press of Kansas. And then my last book, and 245 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,920 it's been a long time because I had that was that was published in two 246 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,599 year, two thousand. Here it is fifteen years later, and I've got 247 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,359 another book walking among us. Ah, So we're going to talk about that. 248 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:49,160 Just to let you know, we have a couple of things this live 249 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,640 show. We have a call in number for the listener out there, if 250 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,720 you're listening live six three nine sixty seven four to oh three oh. We 251 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,480 also have a chat room. Some questions were already piling in there a minute 252 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,960 ago, and I will get to those. But let's first talk about your 253 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:11,200 book. Why did it take you so long to write another book? Well, 254 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,799 I was hearing the same things. I was continuing to do loads and 255 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:21,880 loads of UFO research, and starting in two thousand and five, I began 256 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:30,640 to hear things that were different than what I'd heard before, and it was 257 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,480 a two thousand and three now that I think about two thousand and three, 258 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:41,240 I'm sorry. And I waited for other people to say the same things, 259 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:48,319 and pretty soon more and more people were saying the same things without knowing about 260 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:56,519 the others. And I eventually decided that this will be sort of an ending 261 00:21:56,599 --> 00:22:02,240 of my abduction career type book. That is to say, once I wrote 262 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:07,839 what I knew now, once I wrote it up, I might be able 263 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:11,720 to just do what my life's ambition is, which is to watch television all 264 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:18,079 the time. But I couldn't get the book published, just couldn't get it. 265 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,839 Tried for several years, couldn't get a published, couldn't get it published. 266 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,519 And this was starting around nine, around two thousand and eight or so. 267 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:34,799 And finally I found the press who was willing to do it. And 268 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:45,400 so it took fifteen years of research but also searching for a publisher. Wow, 269 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,799 now did you go back to the publishers of your other four books? 270 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,000 Oh? Yeah, Well, you can't publish a book by yourself. You 271 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,480 must have an agent. And that's what she did. She went back to 272 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:03,799 Simon and Schuster. And the problem with that that happened to Simon and Schuster 273 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,640 was that I, uh, I had this book, the threat. They 274 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,200 had actually requested the book, and it's a good book. It holds up 275 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,359 A Secret Life, has a has flaws in it now that I realized, 276 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,880 no know more about the subject, but the threat is very good. It's 277 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:30,359 pretty solid all the way through. And and so everything was fine. Everything 278 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,480 was great, and they put me on a book tour, let's say done, 279 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,359 was for a Secret Life. And the first place I went with CNN, 280 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:40,359 and then I went to another the next day, another outlet of some 281 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,039 sort, and then we flew to San France. We were going to fly 282 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,759 to San Francisco, or or we did fly to San Francisco to do a 283 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:53,960 show. And and then basically it came to a halting screech when the Monica 284 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:03,200 Lewinsky story broke and I was cancer on virtually every show that they had set 285 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:07,480 up. And that was the end of the book tour. So that didn't 286 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,880 only affect the White House. That affected you as well. It was the 287 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:19,079 White House and so so in other words, I never made up the advance 288 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,400 that they gave me. I'm still paying it out, so to speak. 289 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,119 I don't make many any royalties on the book. It all goes for the 290 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:32,880 advance. I wanted to say, also, just for the listener out there, 291 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,160 the music that I just played in this intro, it's called Hybrids among 292 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:44,720 Us, and that is by Kerry Lloyd Whitehouse, who wrote this music and 293 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,359 dedicated it to Andy Fleming, who used to be on this show. And 294 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,599 so that music is available also, he said anyone can download it and use 295 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:59,519 it. And that's where down our sidebar and the chat room was wondering why 296 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,799 I wasn't active just a few minutes ago, and that is I just want 297 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:07,359 to apologize to everyone because I just mentioned that we have our T shirt graphic 298 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,400 contest, and while I was trying madly just a few minutes ago to get 299 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,119 a voting poll in there, I deleted the whole thing. So all the 300 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,519 T shirt graphics are gone. Please check back in a couple of sayes when 301 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:25,839 I get that straightened out. Sorry about that, all right, So that's 302 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:33,200 enough housekeeping. And so, David, you said that you started your interest 303 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,720 in the abductions all the way back in nineteen eighty six. Is that what 304 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,000 I heard in eighty two. In eighty two I got when I met Bud 305 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,000 Hopkins. He introduced me to I mean, I knew about Bunnie and Betty 306 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,400 Hill, and I read the Andreas and Affair and some other stuff, but 307 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,640 it just didn't seem all that convincing to me. And the problem with abductions 308 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,000 to say they come straight out of people's brains, as opposed to UFOs, 309 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,480 where you can see something you might be mistaken, but there's ways of measuring 310 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,160 it. There's radar, there's film, there's there's all sorts of things that 311 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:18,279 that we know about you that we know for evidence about UFOs, And with 312 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,599 abductions, it's mental or it's happening. There's nothing in the middle. You 313 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:29,440 can't be mistaken about something. You're either making it up whether you know it 314 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:34,279 or not, or it's or it's happening in reality one of the two. 315 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:41,720 So I was conservative and I went for the making it up aspect of it, 316 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,759 even though Barney Betty Hill were different. They were two different people. 317 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,640 But one case like that does not a world's make you know, you have 318 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,680 to wait for others of the same kind. And I was much more comfortable 319 00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,839 with the UFOs tell you the truth. But Hopkins showed me how he had 320 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,720 me sit in on sessions with him that he was saying I had no secessions. 321 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:08,519 And he introduced me to abductees because I had never met one before, 322 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:15,319 and he was extremely gracious and very kind and very giving in terms of what 323 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:22,720 he was doing, and it was obvious to me that he was onto something. 324 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,000 I remember I was director of the American Studies Program a temple at that 325 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:33,480 time, and I came back after visiting. Turns out that I had gone 326 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,640 on my wife and I and our baby had gone on vacation in exactly the 327 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:44,519 same spot that Bud Hopkins owns a house, and it's there for the whole 328 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:49,839 summer. That's in Wellfleet and Massachusetts on Cape Cod. And I came back 329 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:55,640 from seeing Bud up in well Fleet, and I told Alan Heinik, who 330 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,119 was a friend of mine and the dean of Abduction of a UFO researchers the 331 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,240 country and former advisors to the Air Force for UFOs from nineteen forty eight to 332 00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:10,640 nineteen sixty nine, and I told him that this guy, Bud Hopkins, 333 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:15,200 I think what was onto something that that I was impressed by what he was 334 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,319 showing me and telling me and all that. And Alan said, no, 335 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,319 no, stay away from that, David, stay away from that stuff. 336 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,839 He just stick with UFOs. Don't go near that abduction and stuff. I 337 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,680 said, I don't know, Ellen, I think he's got it something here. 338 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,599 This is this is a and Alan, you know, who, reiterated 339 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,559 that that was just not the way to go. He he just it wasn't 340 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:44,519 in his in his world, you know. But I should have actually just 341 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,480 taken his advice and I would have been a happy person for the rest of 342 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:53,680 my life. But I didn't, and and so I got ensnared in the 343 00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,400 abduction phenomenon. Yeah, a couple of things you just mentioned a minute that 344 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,279 it all comes from the brain. Are there any cases that you're aware of 345 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:10,359 where there was witnesses to an abduction that? Oh? Total bystanders. Oh, 346 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,160 absolutely, there are cases like that. But the most famous one was 347 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,720 the Linda Cortiel case. But Hopkins wrote a book about called Witnessed where I 348 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:22,119 can't remember, I think it was twenty four to twenty nine. It was 349 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:30,240 something like that, witnesses to the actual event or to the matter surrounding the 350 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,759 events. Now, I was contacted by someone that told me that there was 351 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,119 new evidence or something that came up that that was a hoax. Do you 352 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,920 know anything about that? Yeah, yes I do. It's not a hoax. 353 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,279 Okay, sign out. Linda Cartil very well, and I knew but 354 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,480 and I know how hard he worked interviewing as many human beings as he could 355 00:29:51,480 --> 00:30:00,519 possibly get. And there's a lot of characters around who who really liked tearing 356 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:07,240 people down. And you got to be very careful because the Linda Cartill cases 357 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,559 is a very good case and a very strong case once you understand sort of 358 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:17,160 everything that happens. Now, I remember that they float through the wall. 359 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:22,880 There's some type of dignitary in a limo or something that witnesses. Am I 360 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,680 getting the right one? Yeah, that's the one. Actually, the initial 361 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,160 aspect of it was people in their cars on the Booklym Bridge saw Linda flying 362 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:40,920 out her window from a she lives in a high rise apartment in New York 363 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,359 City, and they there was a UFO and there was three aliens with her, 364 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,599 and there were people who were staring at this with their jaws open from 365 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,119 their cars. And one of them wrote to Bud saying, this is what 366 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:04,519 she had seen and Bud had already on a session on that incident, but 367 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,519 he hadn't dug very deeply into it. It just sort of happened. Then 368 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:11,880 she described what happened to her onboard the UFO, and this and that, 369 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,680 and nobody knew that, nobody this is unknown material. And suddenly this woman 370 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,960 writes him and says, on this date in nineteen eighty nine, I saw 371 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:29,000 some woman come and flying out of a window with three aliens into a UFO. 372 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:37,079 And that was That was Linda, and she was she correctly identified the 373 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,839 building and what she had seen at the time and the rest of that stuff. 374 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,720 And she said, she said to Bud the car she could hear people 375 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:51,599 screaming in the cars behind her. Wow, that little detail always stuck in 376 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960 my mind. This is just this woman who lives, I guess in upstate 377 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:01,519 New York and was there at the time. And he then began to uncover 378 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,359 other aspects of it. And he spent an enormous amount of time running down 379 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:14,960 leads and contacting people and making sure his case was solid and all the rest 380 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:21,039 of that. And it was. And I've known Linda for years and years 381 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,319 and years and years. She is not the kind of a person who is 382 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:30,759 going to invent a hoax and have over twenty five people or whatever it was, 383 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:38,720 as part of this hoax, including these people who witnessed this on the 384 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:45,599 ground, one of whom was a major international figure, and all that you 385 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:52,880 just this. This would take a team of people working for like for a 386 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:59,160 movie for a year to get all this just right. And this is not 387 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,519 just not possible for one person to do, to pull all these things, 388 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,240 and not a single person coming forward and saying, well, you know Linda 389 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,359 that told me to do this, and she sent me one hundred dollars bill 390 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,440 or something like that. Nothing like that ever, ever, ever came about. 391 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:20,480 Sure, now I noticed, I can hear a little bit of feedback 392 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:25,200 if you wouldn't mind turning down your volume just a little bit. Okay, 393 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,799 there's a question up on the message board for you, says for doctor Jacobs, 394 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:37,680 is there other current researchers you have collaborated with that share your hybrid alien 395 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:45,920 agenda theory? And in parentheses in parentheses he mentions that you mentioned deceased researchers 396 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,519 such as Bud Hopkins. Is there anyone living? Yeah, I don't know. 397 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:59,519 There's only a handful of serious researchers in this country. It's absolutely awful. 398 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,239 There's Yvonne Smith in l A. And there's Kathy Martin in Florida and 399 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:15,599 Jed Turnbull in New York City, and uh there's a few others. But 400 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,480 but it's not like there's there's hundreds of them out there and just waiting for 401 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:27,039 people to to tell them things. And uh, it's it's considered. It's 402 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,440 worse now. And we used to have more researchers. Uh. There was 403 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,960 used to be John mac you know, and of course there was Bud and 404 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,599 and there were there were others as well who went on to having a life 405 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,639 as I just stuck with with the abduction phenomenon. And I guess that Yvan 406 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:54,000 would be closest to me. And but I've had a tremendous advantage over almost 407 00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:00,320 anybody and everybody because I retired from Temple univers See in twenty eleven. But 408 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,440 before that, I could spend a lot of time with abductees. I could 409 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880 I taught on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday or a Tuesday Thursday schedule. 410 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,199 So if I taught on a Tuesday Thursday schedule, I could have time on 411 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:22,280 Monday, Wednesday Friday in my home office to work with abductees. I would 412 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400 spend yeah, between four and five hours with each one of them, an 413 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,000 hour talking in the beginning, a couple of hours of a hypnosis, and 414 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:34,000 then an hour of talking at the end, et cetera. And they could 415 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,480 come as many times as they wanted. Neither but nor I ever charged any 416 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:45,880 money for this. And I worked with people sometimes for decades, so I 417 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,079 could see change over time, and I could understand how this, how the 418 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:58,480 operation of this abduction phenomenon was going, and I learned how to do a 419 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:04,400 kind of questioning that I is chronological and logical. Nothing is taken for granted. 420 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,320 Everything is sort of logical. Now, I shouldn't say nothing is taken 421 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,840 for granted, because if I'm working with somebody for the fortieth time, then 422 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,519 when she says to me, well, I got up on a table, 423 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:16,800 and do I have to go through all what they did on the table, 424 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,840 and I'll say no, because I've already heard hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 425 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,519 cases of people's on table. I know what they do, and I've heard 426 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:28,239 her many times and know what they do. So we'll go on to other 427 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:37,119 things I but I became very much aware of change over time. Hey on, 428 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,400 just keep that thought just one second. I just want to address this 429 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,280 up. A caller person just tried to call in. Please be patient. 430 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:52,280 I can't always answer right away. So if you try to call in and 431 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,079 I couldn't answer, please do try to call in and just be patient. 432 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:59,320 I'll get right to you as soon as I can. Okay, keep going 433 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:06,960 if you would. Well, the point is is that that I was fortunate 434 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,719 to have the time and people could come as many times as they wanted to. 435 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,840 They could, they could stop. A lot of them stopped coming after 436 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:21,679 one session. That was it. And and but there's one person, for 437 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:29,119 example, named Karen Morgan who's in my new book, and she's in Secret 438 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:30,599 Life, she's in The Threat, and she's in my new book, and 439 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:39,119 each one you can see the change over time in that in those and so 440 00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:45,440 I could spend a lot of time with him, and and it was different 441 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,039 than just having let's just say, it's a lot of time for two hours, 442 00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,000 and a lot of people who were having the therapist do this, and 443 00:37:54,039 --> 00:38:00,480 you know, they can only afford so much time. And they get a 444 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,400 person and they asked a bunch of questions, this and this and that and 445 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,599 that it's time to go. Now they have to talk to the person first, 446 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:07,639 and they have to talk to the person afterwards too, you know. 447 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:17,559 So so there's and it's a different sort of I don't know environment with me. 448 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:24,039 I have a home office on all that. So I was extremely fortunate, 449 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:32,239 extremely fortunate. And my wife bore everything with dignity. We had been 450 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,639 married and my wife died earlier this year, but we had been married for 451 00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:42,199 fifty one years, so she was in on everything, and she she was 452 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:47,920 was perfectly fine with my spending all my time with with abduction people with abductees. 453 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,760 You know. So everything just sort of fell into place. Everything everything 454 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,119 was was good for me in terms of doing this research. And the same 455 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,119 thing with Bud from anyway, he was he was an artist. He had 456 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:06,039 time that he could put aside for doing abduction research. Now here's the problem. 457 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,239 Now, supposing somebody young comes along and he wants to be an abduction 458 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,320 researcher and he wants to do hypnosis of abductees, and he's or she is, 459 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:21,920 that's just a twenty three. The question is is he going to be 460 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:31,079 able to do significant experience investigations with people who are sixty three. Are they 461 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:37,440 going to tell him the intimate details of their personal life, including sexual and 462 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,199 reproductive material that happens on board to a twenty three year old, to a 463 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,039 kid who's sitting there. The answer is that's been tried and it doesn't work, 464 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,920 and so you have to get somebody who's older, let's just say, 465 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,800 in their forties, who can do this kind of work because it is intimate 466 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,639 and it's it relates to people's entire lives. But when in person is forty, 467 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,679 they already have a career. They're a nine to five worker or nine 468 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,320 to twelve as the case may be. These days at night, you know, 469 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:22,719 the people work longer and harder now than ever before, and they're married, 470 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,880 they have kids, and you know, it's they can't go through the 471 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,199 training it takes to become an abduction investigator and then spend four or five hours 472 00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:39,480 several times a week with somebody. It's just it's very, very very difficult 473 00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:45,159 to get anybody to do this and to do it right. That's the problem, 474 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,280 right, first of all, I want to say, and also up 475 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,199 in the message board as well, we're sorry to hear about your wife, 476 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,000 your loss. Oh, thank you, thank you. Yeah. Now there 477 00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,599 is a question up going back to Linda. How do you say her last 478 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:07,119 name? Courtiller Cartillo? Yeah, yeah, someone wanted to know, do 479 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:14,440 you know what motive Bud Hopkins' ex wife said the reason Linda Cortil was a 480 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:25,079 fraud? I know I read certain things that Bud Hopkins' wife, ex wife 481 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,880 said, and this was a wife that he had divorced before he died, 482 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:39,840 and they were not let's just say, I've read a few things too. 483 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,280 Yeah, well, so I know what you're talking about. They didn't part 484 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,480 on such good terms. They did not part on good terms, and Carol 485 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,960 sort of went on a campaign to discredit him. And if you knew anything 486 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,639 about Bud Hopkins or had ever met him, you would realize how intelligent, 487 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,239 gracious, and kind he was. And there was not a crooked bone in 488 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:13,519 his body. I will say that he was a straight shooter. He did 489 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:21,360 uncover a plot to sort of discredit him, a guy who was who was 490 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:28,320 lying to him, and uh and and he did his due diligence and he 491 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,280 the guy had told him some stories and he checked him out and they were 492 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:37,599 not true. And he found someone and you know, it happens that way. 493 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,559 He worked with a lot more people than I worked with, But then 494 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:45,440 again, I worked with people for longer periods of time. And although with 495 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,079 Linda, he worked with Linda for a long time. And Linda, Uh, 496 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,880 I'm not exactly sure what she was going through because she did a sort 497 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,760 of scatter gun thing that there was this was wrong and that was wrong, 498 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,880 and his all sorts of other things he did was wrong. I don't agree 499 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,400 with her, but I will say this for myself. There is no you 500 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,800 have to learn how to do this on the fly. There's no book that 501 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:22,800 shows you exactly how to do hypnosis with abductees. Everything is new as it 502 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,000 comes along, not everything, but you're you're constantly seeing new things and and 503 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,800 you have to make the decision. It's as correct as it not correct and 504 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:37,159 all that. Uh, But when you do it, you're you're you're you're 505 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,039 making new pathways, You're clearing the trail for other people to come along and 506 00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,440 also do it. And that's what that's what Bud did, and I hope 507 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,960 that's what I'm doing as well. But but the Linda Cartiel case, UH 508 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,360 might have an oddity here and an oddity there. But on the whole, 509 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,519 this is a good, strong case. As I said, I've known Linda 510 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:06,519 for her for many, many years. I also would question why Bud would 511 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:08,800 spend so much time with her if she was a fraud. He wouldn't. 512 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,599 I mean, that wouldn't make any sense to me. He would have detected 513 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:22,679 it right away. Uh. And there's but but that Bud was extremely smart 514 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:30,119 and that just would not have happened. It's not possible for well, anything 515 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:34,599 is possible, but it's not possible in my opinion, that that that would 516 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:39,719 have happened with Linda. Linda is not a hoaxer. She is. She 517 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,719 didn't There was no reason to be a hoaxer. There was nothing in it 518 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,039 for her other than the event that happened, along with a whole bunch of 519 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,000 other events that happened that nobody knows about. There she's an abductee, it's 520 00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:00,920 happened all her life. And uh and there, there's there's nothing make everything 521 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:05,360 makes sense if she's an abductee and had this experience. And nothing makes sense 522 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,440 if she's an abductee and didn't have this experience. Right. Just again, 523 00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,079 someone tried to call in and I missed you. If you're listening and trying 524 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,559 to call in, please be patient because a little behind the scenes here, 525 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,360 I have different computers that I'm looking at ones in a chat room on one 526 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,880 side, and then the phone calls on another side. So I don't want 527 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,960 to miss your call. You can call again if you would. Let's see 528 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,079 there was another question up on the board. But excuse me. One of 529 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:42,280 the things they always you always hear and I always wonder about, is people 530 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:50,119 always say they accuse people that do regression of leading the person and what do 531 00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,880 you what do you say I have to say about that? Right? Well, 532 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,599 almost everybody who comes to me knows two things. Number One, they 533 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,280 don't want to be led by the hipists to think that they're a teapot or 534 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,320 a chicken or something like that. And they don't want to pick up things 535 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,880 in popular culture and impair them back to me as if it happened to them. 536 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:15,920 They're all aware of that. This is not our cane information, you 537 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,719 know what I mean. This is just everybody knows that a hypnotist can make 538 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,599 people do things that they don't realize they're doing, and all that. Well, 539 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:28,360 what I do is simple relaxation, techniques, and Bud learned them from 540 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,440 a psychologist who he worked with originally who did the hypnosis, and then I 541 00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:36,880 learned them from Bud. And it's just muscle relaxation and then a little bit 542 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,400 of deepening. And then I just asked questions. And people will say to 543 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:45,519 me, David, I don't think I'm hypnotized, and I'll say, it 544 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:47,119 doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Just just close your eyes, lay back 545 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:52,440 down, and it doesn't matter. And I started asking questions, and how 546 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,840 am I do a tiny bit of all come from three to one and you 547 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,159 feel more and more relized something like that, and that'll be it, and 548 00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:01,119 that's it. And they know they say I gotta go to the bathroom. 549 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,239 I say, okay, fine, go go go to the bathroom and lay 550 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,960 back down, and I just continue questioning, and then we'll have a discussion 551 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:15,360 about something that relates to it during the session, and then I'll just continue 552 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,480 on with my questioning. It's not like they're in a trance and they don't 553 00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,679 know what they're saying or what they're doing, or they're thinking to themselves, 554 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,719 especially in the first session, they're thinking to themselves, this is the dumbest 555 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,119 question I ever heard of my life? Should I even give this guy the 556 00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:37,360 benefit of an answer. That's what they're thinking. And they're so worried about 557 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,639 hypnosis. And I before some of them don't get sleep. I have to 558 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,639 warn them about this beforehand. After they do their first session with me, 559 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:52,079 it never ever occurs to them to think about hypnosis as something to fear. 560 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:58,039 Ever again, just once they realize they're in total and complete control, they're 561 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,719 thinking about the questions. They're thinking about whether that's our correct question or not, 562 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:07,000 and this and that and and they realize that it's just trying to dip 563 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:12,960 into these memories that are hidden beneath the surface. It's probably a short circuiting 564 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:19,960 of the of the too many statins in my brain. I have no memory 565 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,920 left anymore of your short term memory. Short term memory cannot dig into the 566 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,800 other long term memories. Uh. When the when the event is probably laid 567 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,800 down, I think, I guess, I surmise, Okay, just switching 568 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,800 gears here for just a minute. And that is so. Travis Walton probably 569 00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:46,199 wasn't your average abduct he he claims himself that he thinks it was almost more 570 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,920 or less like a rescue mission. Once he was apped with that beam. 571 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:59,320 But I question, Alejandro Rojas asked earlier on in the news, was what 572 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,920 does David Jacobs think of the Travis Walton case. Well, Travis is a 573 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,800 friend of mine and I've known him for many years, and he's an extremely 574 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:20,360 intelligent and extremely thoughtful person. I agree with you, and he's if he 575 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,880 is an abductee, and I think he is, that means that he automatically 576 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:29,119 has had abduction experiences since since he was a young child, and they're probably 577 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:35,440 continuing now because that's what happens basically with all abductees. It's intergenerational. You're 578 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,639 an abductee because your mother or your father was an abductee, and then you 579 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,960 become an abductee. Then if you get married and have kids, they become 580 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:50,079 abductees. Hang on a second, I have to get an animal off my 581 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,000 lap. Okay, Carrie later, later, later, I she'll purr into 582 00:49:54,039 --> 00:50:05,960 the microphone. That's the problem. So the problem is that he's he only 583 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:15,559 remembered twenty minutes of a five day event and has not wanted to do hypnosis 584 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:21,000 on that event or any other events that he might have had, and so 585 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:27,559 and so we really don't know what happened to him in essence on board the 586 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,280 UFO, and I know that he's come up, he's been trying to make 587 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:37,440 sense of it, and he's come up with his own ideas about how they 588 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:43,000 helped him or whatever or whatever it was. But that's not what other other 589 00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:51,320 people say. And I examined the five day event once with a woman and 590 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:58,440 known as Her name is al Alison Reid, and I have I have twenty 591 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,199 four hours, I guess of testimony that eight from that five day event, 592 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:12,920 she came I think for eight three hour sessions of hypnosis just describing what happened 593 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,679 to her. And that's the way it kind of has to be when you're 594 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,119 gone for five days. And so not only not only her, but her 595 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:25,800 husband and her child as well. And there were certain aspects of their lives 596 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:32,440 at that time where nobody missed them. They had just moved to Florida or 597 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,199 someplace, they did not have jobs yet, they were not set up yet, 598 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,480 and so and they were all taken at that time and for five days, 599 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:49,639 and nobody knew that they were gone. So the fact is, though 600 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:58,880 that that Travis's case was astounding because it was witnessed at least there was a 601 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:07,079 witnessing of a UFO flashing a light at at Travis and then him falling backwards 602 00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,559 and all that, and and then not being there when when people you know, 603 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,039 charged off on their truck as worker fellow workers and then came back looking 604 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:19,480 for him, and then and he wasn't there, but they saw a UFO 605 00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:27,119 in conversation so to speak with him. And that's good enough. That's a 606 00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:31,880 witnessed event. And so uh. And once again, Travis is not a 607 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,239 person who lies or anything like that. He's not He's not a Charlottan. 608 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,320 But he has built, you know, these ideas that he thinks makes sense 609 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,400 to him. But maybe perhaps don't. Don't aren't the same as what everybody 610 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,199 else is saying because they know more about their own backgrounds. Yeah, I 611 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:58,800 would think that in Travis's case, that was a one off situation under the 612 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,800 circumstances that he wasn't abducted since childhood. I mean, when I asked him 613 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,400 about that, he said, no, that was the only time that he 614 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,679 was aware of. Are you thinking that he may have been abducted and not 615 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,519 realize it. Well, if that were the case, that would be the 616 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:22,559 first time we've ever heard of anybody being abducted, especially for five days, 617 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:30,679 and it was the only time ever. But you have to remember that most 618 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,280 abductees, and I'm going to guess here, maybe ninety to ninety five percent 619 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,119 of them do not know that they're abductees. This is a clandestine phenomenon. 620 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,320 It is secret, and the way in which you start secrecy is you keep 621 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,599 a secret from the person that had happened to So most people do not know 622 00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:53,159 that they're abductees. Who are abductees, in other words, they might lead 623 00:53:53,719 --> 00:54:04,000 unusual lives. They see angels, they see devils, demons, whatever they 624 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,519 see in their bedroom or in their living room or whatever. They see dead 625 00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:12,480 people who have come back to say goodbye to them or whatever. Uh. 626 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,840 They they travel on the astral plane. One guy was telling me, you 627 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,440 travel on the astral plane. The funniest thing was is he could see all 628 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,760 the leaves and dirt and stuff that had gotten into his gutters on top of 629 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,480 his roof. And I thought to myself, if you're traveling on the astral 630 00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:35,199 plane, that would be an interesting memory to have, you know, how 631 00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:43,880 you got to clean your gutters? But uh so uh and personality, Yeah, 632 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,639 So the point is though that uh, every single abductee I have worked 633 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:52,320 with, and I think probably everyone that but has worked on uh have have 634 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,239 had these experiences since they were children and will continue into old age. It 635 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:04,400 stops somewhere in old age. We don't see a whole lot of people who 636 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,039 are eighty years old. Let's just say on board a UFO. That is 637 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,960 when when people are abducted into a larger UFO, they sit in a room, 638 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,840 a circular room and wear closed or removed, and they wait their turn 639 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,880 to be processed for whatever they're going to have to be doing. And I'll 640 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,760 ask them, well, are there you know men and women there and they'll 641 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,360 say yes. I say you see any children know? And sometimes yes, 642 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:36,079 and most of the time no, and and uh and they'll sometimes you know, 643 00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:44,480 remember uh, somebody who was abducted or whatever. But the fact is 644 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:50,159 though that uh, all that can easily be forgotten. Uh And and as 645 00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:54,360 soon as they leave, uh uh, you know it's gone from their memory. 646 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,440 But at least I asked them sometimes, do you see anybody who's really 647 00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:06,920 really old? And they almost always say no. Wow, So we think 648 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:13,039 it stops somewhere an old age somewhere in old age, but we can't be 649 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,800 sure. We don't really know. It's just as baffling as the whole rest 650 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,480 of it. Someone wanted to know on the message board. Do you share 651 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:27,360 your techniques with others that are looking to get into this process? Yes? 652 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:31,239 But and I put together a packet of materials about one hundred years ago that 653 00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:37,039 I still send out to people if they ask for it. But my next 654 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:40,800 book will be how to do Hypnosis with Abductees, and I think that the 655 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,199 market for that you'll probably be well into the tens and tens, so I 656 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,800 will self publish that book and tense big seller. That's what you're thinking, 657 00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:59,079 right, Well, you never know, because you know, you hear these 658 00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:04,679 numbers of people that think they've been abducted, and what is your thought on 659 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,800 that? I mean some people are saying millions of people. Oh yeah, 660 00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:14,280 millions of people. Is this is a global phenomenon. This is not an 661 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,280 American phenomenon. We're not special. So aliens have come here because we are 662 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,400 Americans. That but and I have have worked with people from around the world 663 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:32,599 and uh uh oh caller, Hello, yeah, sorry, sorry, I 664 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,719 meant to add you to the call I'm going to have to hang up. 665 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,280 I'm sorry, right, I think I'm bad, Yeah, sorry about that. 666 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,559 It was I totally pressed the wrong button when the caller called all right. 667 00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,760 I want to apologize to the listener out there listening live. I just 668 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,960 tried to take a call and I clicked the wrong button and everything went to 669 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,000 heck, So call or please try to call back. I will add you 670 00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,119 to the call this time, instead of taking your call exclusively, which is 671 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:05,519 the mistake I made. So David, I'm sorry to have interrupt you and 672 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:10,639 how you go to dead air. And I can't remember exactly what you were 673 00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:19,199 talking about, but there's certainly some questions up on the message board. It 674 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:24,320 happened much too much in the past for me to even possibly remember, okay, 675 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,800 and I can't scroll up to any of the questions. So one of 676 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:38,559 the things you mentioned that it happens generational. It happens when someone is a 677 00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:44,119 young infant, and it goes on to their family and on and on. 678 00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:49,119 So I believe that we were talking about how many people, how many numbers 679 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,599 right right? Well, And the point here is that this is not an 680 00:58:52,599 --> 00:59:00,000 American phenomenon. It is it is, and there's nothing special about us. 681 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,400 It goes into it's in Latin America, it's in Europe, it's in Asia, 682 00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:06,800 it's in the Far East, it's in the Near East, it's in 683 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:12,679 the Mid East, it's everywhere. This is a global program, a global 684 00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:16,480 phenomenon, just like you know, it is the UFO phenomenon as far as 685 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:22,559 I'm concerned. And so, there was a poll taken in the nineteen ninety 686 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,880 one, and there been other polls to our polls showed that about two percent 687 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,239 of the American public were abductees, which is about six six million people. 688 00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:36,960 That was extremely conservative. It's probably closer to maybe five percent, maybe more, 689 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:45,239 but it is In spite of all those polls, both Bud Hopkins and 690 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:50,199 I received thousands and thousands of letters from abductees around the country, around the 691 00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,599 world, and they still keep coming now in the form of email. Of 692 00:59:52,599 --> 01:00:00,280 course, it's it's a global phenomenon. You have to remember three things about 693 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:06,960 this that that are that are salients to to its existence. It is global, 694 01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:12,400 it's intergenerational, and it's clandestine. It's secret. And the reason it's 695 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,440 secret is because they don't want us to know what they're doing. Obviously, 696 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:23,480 if they did it wouldn't be secret. So but it is not something that 697 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,119 that I look upon with joy. I must say, uh, this is 698 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,559 and this is not only that, but this is They're not testing us, 699 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,679 they're not examining us. They're not trying to find out what makes us tick. 700 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,320 This is a program with a beginning and middle and an end, and 701 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,280 it's goal directed. They are here for a reason. They are doing things 702 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,320 for a reason. You're seeing change over time and that and and the reason 703 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,840 is coming, I think, which I can talk about a little bit later 704 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,800 if you wish. Yeah, we can talk about that in the second Hour're 705 01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,159 just about ready to take a break up. I'm going to try to take 706 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:04,639 this call. Okay, hang in there, everyone, Hopefully this will work. 707 01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:10,360 Caller. Are you there there there, Martin, It's Justin from Canada. 708 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,719 Hey, Justin, how are you? How are you are? We 709 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,360 live right now? We are, And go ahead and pose your question to 710 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:22,360 doctor jas Thank you, hi, doctor Jacobs, Thanks for listening. How 711 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:30,960 are you? My question goes in some territory that I think that should be 712 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,320 addressed. First of all, I'd like to say that I, like Martin 713 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,559 said, and the sentiment is in the chatter and to you that we're very 714 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,239 sorry with the passing of your wife. It's a terrible loss. Secondly, 715 01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,280 i'd like to say that I have read the threat. I think you're your 716 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,480 insight is interesting, and I think it's a question that should be asked in 717 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:57,679 a situation where we don't exactly know what the nature of these quote unquote beings 718 01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,079 are, if that's you know, really what they are. So I want 719 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,280 to thank you for all your work, but the question I have is basically 720 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,519 the elephant in the room, and I think that publicly it needs to be 721 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:10,519 addressed, you know, to a wider audience, especially at this show, 722 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,000 because this is a really great show with a lot of great integrity, and 723 01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:21,480 that's the story sort of of Emma Woods and her accusations with you, And 724 01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:23,960 I think there's a lot of people that sort of would like you to kind 725 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,599 of clear the air and give us your perspective, you know, especially those 726 01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:32,960 who have been with you since the beginning publications and who would like to possibly 727 01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:39,079 invest in the future publications. Yeah. I don't usually like talking about her 728 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:46,280 in my stomach churns too much. I must say she is a woman who 729 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:54,039 I worked with for several years, a couple of years, who lives in 730 01:02:54,079 --> 01:03:02,760 another country, and who over the course of time basically decompensated and I uh 731 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,559 uh we uh sort of stopped working together, not on the best of terms. 732 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,360 And as soon as that happened, as she began an all out assault 733 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,840 on me, saying things that such as I was a sexual pervert because I'd 734 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:28,400 asked for her unwashed underpants, uh which and uh and I never really answered 735 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:34,199 her. It's been eight years she's been stocked cyberstalking me, including just a 736 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:40,079 couple of days ago. And and I'm building a website now to answer every 737 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:47,159 single uh uh sort of a charge that she has leveled against me. Uh. 738 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,199 She's complained to Temple University, she complained to the Department of Health and 739 01:03:52,280 --> 01:04:00,000 Human Services in Washington d c uh and I have become her life's work and 740 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:05,000 this is all she does from what I can tell. UH. The underpants 741 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:09,559 thing actually was, it was something that was interesting. We're looking for d 742 01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:14,840 excuse me for DNA. And she wrote me a letter once saying that she 743 01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:18,280 thought she might have had sexual contact with a hybrid in her house. There's 744 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:23,760 a lead up to this, and she had a Q tip and she was 745 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,920 going to send it to me, and I said, great, fine, 746 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,039 you know we need DNA and that would be wonderful. And then she she 747 01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,760 wrote me another email later saying that she lost it or something like that. 748 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,920 Now I'm not getting this exactly one hundred correct here. And then another month 749 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,840 later she wrote me another email saying that it happened again. She's got a 750 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,679 Q tip, she's going to send it to me, and then she threw 751 01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:48,239 it away or something. And then then a couple of months later she writes 752 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:54,199 to me and she said that there was a discharge in her underwear and uh 753 01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,320 and and she said, and I said, well, you know, well 754 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,599 this is important and all the rest of that stuff because DNA and she said, 755 01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:05,840 well she she washed them. I said, even though it happened yesterday 756 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:11,000 and she said yes. I said, okay. So another month goes by 757 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,360 and then she rarely writes me again. She says, uh, that it 758 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,920 happened again, and she said, I got this discharge under pasts and basically 759 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,519 I said, listen, uh am I just sticking in an envelope and don't 760 01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:26,320 even think about it and just sent it to me. I am a sexual 761 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:33,840 prefert. She has claimed, uh, and this is this is so insane. 762 01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,159 If you, if you knew me, it was so crazy, so 763 01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:43,400 nutty that but I never ever answered. This is the first time I've ever 764 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:45,880 talked about that, that particular incident. She's got a whole bunch of other 765 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,880 things. The level of charges leveled against me. Now, I never met 766 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:54,960 her. She is a person who I dealt with on the phone. This 767 01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:59,719 was before Skype, actually and not really before Skype, but but Skype is 768 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,559 not is not known yet and she also did not have a camera for her 769 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,199 desktop. But so so I've never met her face to face. And a 770 01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:15,639 lot of psychiatrists have said, well, but you should have met her face 771 01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:17,159 to face and you might have learned something then. And the answer is, 772 01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:19,639 I don't know. I don't know whether that would have been true or not. 773 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:26,639 But she has been my nemesis, and she, as I said, 774 01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:30,360 it's been eight years, and she's she this is all she lives for these 775 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,320 days. She could have stopped and anytime she wanted to, if she thought 776 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:42,840 that there was something wrong with me or whatever. And the problem is is 777 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,719 that she has all these charges against me, but they're all like as I 778 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,880 just explained, way out of context, so that it does sound like I'm 779 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:58,639 some sort of lunatic who's praying on young women or something like that. And 780 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:04,400 let me say that that is not the case. So I'm not going to 781 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,400 talk about her anymore. You can, Emma. What's the real story is 782 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,039 the name of the website. It's in the process of being built, even 783 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:15,679 though it's live now, but it will change drastically. I'm redoing the front 784 01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:20,840 and and a person helping me do this because I'm not all that tech savvy. 785 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,760 And uh, there's a beginning which will be changed. Uh, I 786 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,719 hope by tomorrow. Uh and uh, and I'll go into every every charge 787 01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:33,039 that she's leveled against me and show her exactly and show people exactly what happened. 788 01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:38,000 And you will, when people really have to say, they will understand. 789 01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:43,039 I hope. Okay, yeah, I actually have been. I've seen 790 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,480 firsthand. Uh, you know, the effects of cyber tax, especially in 791 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,079 the d and age. So I really appreciate you actually, you know, 792 01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:51,440 taking me time to talk about that to the audience, because I don't think 793 01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:56,639 most people understand how hard that can be, especially for you, who is 794 01:07:56,639 --> 01:07:59,639 a public figure. And I think it's important for people to know that there 795 01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:02,400 is a maybe that they can see and read the backstory on. So thanks 796 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,760 for maybe clearing the air on a little bit. Thank you. Well. 797 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,039 I've talked with about a dozen psychiatrists, psychologists, and therapists about the situation, 798 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,039 and they all have one answer. Don't ever ever ever respond to her, 799 01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:20,439 ever, ever, ever, ever, because she eventually shall just lose 800 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:27,680 interest and go on and go on to somebody else. But and that was 801 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:34,560 very good advice pre internet, and now it's a whole different story. I 802 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,560 stuck with that until now. And I've been a punching bag for her for 803 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,359 so long. As I said, eight years is a long time, and 804 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,640 I'm seventy three now, so I've got to I just absolutely have to answer, 805 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,159 even though they're still telling me not to do it. But I'm doing 806 01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:58,239 it anyway. And people can make up their own minds then yeah, okay, 807 01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,520 justin thanks very much for the call. Hey, thanks guys, good 808 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,159 night, good night. All right, So David, hang in there, 809 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,520 Hang in there, live listeners, We're going to be right back right after 810 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:32,880 this quick music break. All right, We're back live with David Jacobs, 811 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,560 and I do appreciate the calls. A lot of people have been trying to 812 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,119 call, and all I can tell you is keep trying and if I can 813 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,399 answer the phone and bring you on, all you have to do is introduce 814 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,199 yourself with your first name and we're good to go. So the number for 815 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:55,079 anyone that does want to call is six oh three nine sixty seven four oh 816 01:09:55,239 --> 01:10:01,840 three to zero. Okay. So that was that was interesting. And I 817 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:08,319 understand when something's on the internet, it stays around to you know, whatever 818 01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:12,600 information it is. You know, I've had experience with that, like a 819 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,359 house that I bought one time, real inexpensive. I didn't want everybody to 820 01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:20,159 know, but you still can see what I paid for it. You know, 821 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:25,079 things just don't go away. Yeah, exactly right. And and so 822 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:30,680 uh if she's going to keep doing this, and and I just I just 823 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,600 I just have to respond. I'm sick and tired of it. I mean, 824 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:41,600 eight years is of cyber cyber stalking is really a lot to me. 825 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,039 A question up on the message board, and it's it's come up a lot 826 01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:53,079 in abductees and also Nick Redfurn spoke about it and comparing your interviews with the 827 01:10:53,239 --> 01:11:00,520 abductees, have you noticed any commonalities between various abductees I e r a negative 828 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,880 blood. I asked ten abductees if they had our age negative blood. None 829 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:09,880 of them did. Now here's the problem with our age negative blood. People 830 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:15,039 don't get married to other people because of their blood type. And therefore, 831 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,199 if this is a phenomenon that it's intergenerational, you get married to somebody who 832 01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:23,199 you love, period, and you might find out their blood type later on, 833 01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:30,079 you might not who knows. And so if in fact our age negative 834 01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:36,800 was a significant aspect of the abduction phenomenon, what we would see would be 835 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:42,640 a rise in the number of people with our age negative blood because they would 836 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:48,439 be the ones chosen to be abductees. And since it's intergenerational, they would 837 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,279 have to do they'd have to do some sort of messing around. I'm not 838 01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:56,239 sure, but to get that. But we don't see anything like that as 839 01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:00,119 far as I know. And like I said, it's I think this is 840 01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:06,439 it sounds interesting, but it actually isn't. This is a global phenomenon with 841 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:13,079 millions of people. Our age negative is not all that common, you know, 842 01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:17,399 it's it's unusual. So so I don't place any stock in it at 843 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,960 all. I had I had class fun of Sweden. He used to be 844 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:30,800 the director of the UFO Association over there. They take this very seriously over 845 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,920 there, and there's not any ridicule to speak of or anything interesting. Guy 846 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:41,920 and I always ask when I talk to people in different countries about the you 847 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,319 know, abduction incidents in their country, and he said that he only hears 848 01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:51,560 about one a year there. Do you think that it's going back to what 849 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:56,760 you said earlier, that people are having the experience but not sure what it 850 01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:03,079 is. Yeah, I think that's what it is, and that I've got 851 01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:08,880 a bunch of people from Scandinavia who've written me, filled out my question or 852 01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:14,239 on my website and all the rest of that stuff. And oh, incidentally, 853 01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,600 well, remind me to tell you something about a discovery that I made 854 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:30,760 this very day. We have people, we have probably a greater background in 855 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:39,159 UFOs and abductions in any other country, because we had national studies of the 856 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:44,640 phenomenon of UFOs through the Air Force and through other organizations, and we still 857 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:50,520 have national organizations and all the rest of that. And we also were sort 858 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:58,840 of first to uncover the abduction phenomenon, even though the very first case we 859 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,119 ever learned about it took place in Brazil, the Antonio vis Bos case in 860 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:08,199 nineteen fifty seven in Brazil. But but but we kept at it, and 861 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:12,960 uh so the Americans. So people know about the abduction phenomenon here. It's 862 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:19,439 all over television at least there was for a while. And uh and I 863 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:27,720 don't know whether that is the case in Sweden or Norway or whatever. However, 864 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:32,039 back to the pop culture question you ask, right, you know, 865 01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:39,520 well, it's yeah, it's it's it becomes part of popular culture and people, 866 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,800 you know, watch it on television they think that, oh my god, 867 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,439 I've watched this. Now I'm polluted. And if I come to to 868 01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,039 do research and I'm just going to say what I saw on television, people 869 01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:54,560 are you know, are aware of that when when when they go to when 870 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,640 it come to me anyway, But my guess is is that Sweden is loaded 871 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:08,199 with that ductees, just like every other country. You know, Sweden made 872 01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:13,199 its mark with the ghost rockets in nineteen forty six. For probably UFOs, 873 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:20,439 this is a the abduction phenomenon. Is the UFO phenomenon in France? They 874 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:25,199 say, oh, there's hardly any abductees in France, but there's very little 875 01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:31,159 places for people to understand how what the symptoms of being abducted are. And 876 01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:36,520 there's very little places to go to to investigate it in France. Therefore, 877 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:42,319 there's nobody in being abducted in France. But I've got I don't have that 878 01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:46,039 many, but I have about twenty five or twenty seven emails from people who 879 01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:51,800 live in France who are abductees, obviously, and so you you know, 880 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:59,760 it's it's everywhere. And the reverse of that is, no matter where I 881 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:08,439 go. Oh this includes Brazil and Argentina and places in Europe and everywhere through 882 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,239 the United States. No matter where I go, people rush up to me. 883 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,840 They grab me by the lapels, they put their nose in my face, 884 01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:20,279 and they say, you know, I come from a little village in 885 01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:27,279 Oklahoma, and it's a hotbed of UFO activity, a hotbed of UFO activity. 886 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,399 Everybody says that to me, no matter where they're from around the world. 887 01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:39,159 And you know that that hotbed of UFO activity is because there's a lot 888 01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:43,079 of abductees there. And what happens is, I got to excuse me, 889 01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,560 how to remove a cat again who wants to me on my lap But it's 890 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:54,079 not good right now, Carrie, Thank you. So it's what happens in 891 01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:59,640 small towns or small villages is that a person a family might be an abductees, 892 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,000 or might be several families are abductees, you know, like fifty years 893 01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:06,359 ago or eighty years ago or whatever, and they marry people in the town, 894 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,479 and then they all have kids and they marry people in the town, 895 01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:16,760 and so what you get is is a higher concentration of abductees in small towns 896 01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:23,119 than you do in big cities oftentimes, because there's just that's what you know. 897 01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:25,960 They meet people and then they grow up with and then they get married 898 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,520 and all that, and all their kids are abductees, and therefore it becomes 899 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,960 a hotbed of UFO activity. You know, I want to ask you the 900 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:41,039 blanket question, and that is why. But before I do that, before 901 01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:45,439 you answer that, I should say one of the theories or you heard someone 902 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:54,479 people talk about what's back in the forties there was some type of deal made 903 01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:00,520 with the government that trade tech for abducting for information or whatever. And I 904 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:08,800 just wanted to hear what your thoughts were on that that would be well within 905 01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:16,920 the non truthful range. Let's just say, yeah, I figured so, 906 01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:19,319 but I wanted to hear what you had to say. They don't need no 907 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:27,359 stinking contract. They can do whatever they please. They can do whatever they 908 01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:30,640 want. The difference between aliens and us, and this is aliens of all 909 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,600 kinds, including hybrids, including what I call hubrids, who are the ones 910 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:42,199 who are walking among us and living here. The difference is that they can 911 01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:47,279 control us neurologically and from a distance, and we cannot control them. That 912 01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:54,520 is not just a difference, it's a crushing difference. It makes us into 913 01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:02,079 a second class species. It makes us expendable, It makes us into like, 914 01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:08,600 you know, like people have unbelievably intelligent dogs or something like that. 915 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,319 Not quite like that, but we are at a lesser We have a lesser 916 01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:24,039 ability to use our own brains than they do, and so I just don't 917 01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:26,880 like that. And therefore they don't need a contract. They do whatever they 918 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:34,800 want to do. This is an extremely evolved technological society. Any technology that 919 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:42,960 you're going to find that is from outer space automatically and absolutely has to be 920 01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:49,319 extremely advanced, extremely advanced, not just a little advanced, but really advanced. 921 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,439 And the reason is because our technology, which is how we measure things, 922 01:19:55,079 --> 01:20:00,079 is brand new. It's only a couple one hundred years, And if 923 01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:03,319 you really want to stretch matters, you could say it's ten thousand years old. 924 01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:10,119 Our technology. Why, ten thousand years ago somebody rolled a flat stone 925 01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:15,000 and called it a wheel, so that would be technology of some sort. 926 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:23,039 Ten thousand years is not even the quarter of a nanosecond of a blink of 927 01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:29,119 an eye in geologic or cosmic time. So if somebody has any kind of 928 01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:35,239 technology at all out there, it's going to be extremely advanced compared to ours, 929 01:20:35,279 --> 01:20:41,960 because ours is brand new. Now there's a flaw in this argument. 930 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:49,880 The flaw is there might be so many civilizations with technology out there that, 931 01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,039 by the law of averages, a few of them might be right where we 932 01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:59,840 are just beginning. That's the flaw in the argument. But generally speaking, 933 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:03,199 it's going to be very, very advanced. So what you see here is 934 01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:11,319 the concept of invisibility, the concept of taking people right out of windows, 935 01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:16,600 closed windows, right out of walls, up through the ceiling and into somebody 936 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:23,840 else's apartment and up through the ceiling and then into the air without being seen 937 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,239 and passing through matter. You see stuff like that, and it's just you 938 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,760 have to think about it as this is future technology. This is what technology 939 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,920 will look like sometime in the future. David, just a few minutes ago, 940 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:40,199 you said that you had a discovery today. Do you want to talk 941 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:46,680 about that. Yes, if anybody buys my book. But the website that 942 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,600 they put down that is my website, is not the website that I have 943 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,680 at the vague in the my little biography at the back of the book. 944 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,720 It's the wrong website. Does it go to Emma Woods, No, thank 945 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:10,560 god, it's it's they put down UFO Abductions with an s dot com instead 946 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,439 of ufo abduction dot com. And Joe Montaldo used on ufo abductions dot com. 947 01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,840 And I think that he's abandoned or reselling it or something like that, 948 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:25,039 because I looked at it after I saw this error, and and it's for 949 01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:29,079 sale. Oh, you can do a readirect either that or every book signing 950 01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:30,640 you can change in the back of the book. That's what I'm going to 951 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:35,800 have to do. But I've been told that they're they're running out of books 952 01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:41,199 at the warehouse and the next printing they'll they'll print the correct website. But 953 01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,199 so anyway, so much for editing all your copy and then you get there 954 01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:49,840 and do that. Wow, right, exactly. Well, these are typos. 955 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:55,199 You can't get rid of typos, and they are in all the books 956 01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:59,119 that I've written, and and they just you just no matter how many eyes 957 01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:02,199 are are on it, you're going to get typos. I've just heard Kerrie 958 01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:06,920 try to get up in your lap again, I think now on the message 959 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:13,840 board, someone wants to know if all the abductions are physical or some of 960 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,479 them just psychological or psychic, or in other words, like mind abductions. 961 01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,920 Yeah, there is no such thing as mind abductions. These all happen in 962 01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:27,159 real time, in real place. They're really physical. People come back from 963 01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:31,640 them with marks and bumps and bruises on their body. They come back with 964 01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,520 them sometimes with fully formed scars on their body that they didn't have before, 965 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:43,720 which I have seen. I just said something that is biologically impossible, fully 966 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,600 formed scar tissue, a scar an inch long that was not on a person's 967 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,600 hands who I had seen the day before. I looked at something, and 968 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,279 my jaw hit the floor when I saw that. Even I was astounded to 969 01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:00,640 be I was looking at something I was about, Well, that's not impossible 970 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:06,399 if you're an abductee. And sometimes he come back with their clothes on inside 971 01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:11,640 out, or some clothes on backwards. Sometimes they come back wearing somebody else's 972 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,079 clothes. This is right. I've never heard that part. Oh yeah, 973 01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:20,880 yeah, this is real time physicality. This is nothing. One time I 974 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,279 had a guy say that he went to sleep on his couch and and he 975 01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:27,920 went to venus or something I thought while he was on his couch, and 976 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,119 he came back and everything was wonderful. And no, no, no, 977 01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:34,000 and only only five minutes had passed and no, no, no, no. 978 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,039 Okay, You're welcome to call in out there. I'm sorry. I 979 01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:42,920 have missed a number of calls this evening, that number of six three nine 980 01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:47,239 sixty seven four three to Oh. So, David, in your opinion, 981 01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:54,039 what the heck is going on? Why is this happening? This is your 982 01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:58,640 opinion, but I'd like to hear it. Okay, Well, there's a 983 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,840 lead up to this opinion. And first of all, in the threat I 984 01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:11,439 talked about, uh uh, these beings were saying that to abductees, Well, 985 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,079 they would bring an abductee into a room and they'd show the abductee and 986 01:25:15,239 --> 01:25:18,520 image on a screen and they would be list. Uh. Here's two of 987 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:23,960 them that I usually talk about. One is people lined up on steps like 988 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,399 a class photograph, you know, and looking at the camera, smiling whatever. 989 01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:33,000 And the person looks at this and and and they're they're puzzled as to 990 01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:36,680 why they're looking at these people standing on these steps. But then they hear 991 01:25:38,039 --> 01:25:42,399 telepathically. They hear, can you tell the difference between you and us? 992 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,079 And the person the abductee looks at it and hardly understands the question. They 993 01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:50,319 say, what do you mean difference? Everybody looks as saying, there's no 994 01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:55,159 difference, what are you talking about? And they say, see, isn't 995 01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:59,199 that wonderful? Soon we will all be together. Soon, there's going to 996 01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:02,279 be a change. Everybody's going to be happy, everybody's going to know his 997 01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,840 place. Soon. This is going to happen. The change is coming. 998 01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:11,359 And then other people would tell me the same kind of story about a change 999 01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:14,600 coming and soon, and more people would tell me that, and then I 1000 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,079 then would ask them, well, what do you know what they might mean 1001 01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:23,880 by the change? Nobody knew? I said, well, do you know 1002 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:28,560 what they might mean by soon? Because soon it's a relative term term. 1003 01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,199 It could be a nanosecond now at a billion of a second or a billion 1004 01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:36,159 years from now, for all we know, And nobody knew that either. 1005 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:47,399 So in two thousand and three I started to hear these stories that indicated that 1006 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:55,800 something was happening, that people who you could not tell the difference between human 1007 01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:01,359 and hybrid were beginning to appear in this society. And the first time I 1008 01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:05,720 heard that, I just cast it aside, because when you hear something for 1009 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,760 the first time, it's not evidence. You have to have other people verify 1010 01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:15,159 that. And then another person said the same thing, then another one, 1011 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,880 then another one, then another one, then another one, then another one, 1012 01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:21,720 And then I thought to myself, well, this might be the change. 1013 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:26,920 This might be the change they were talking about. But it might not 1014 01:27:27,119 --> 01:27:32,439 be the change. It might be a prequel so to speak to the change. 1015 01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:38,039 It might be a harbinger of the change that is coming later. I 1016 01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:41,840 do not know, because I don't know what the change is. However, 1017 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:47,239 what people began to say was that they were not only helping hybrids learn about 1018 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:53,640 what life is like on Earth from the time they were children until the time 1019 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:59,800 that they're teenagers and even older on board a UFO, but in fact they 1020 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,880 were doing it here in normal society, and these beings were living in normal 1021 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:11,840 society also, and I had never heard that before. And then I started 1022 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,479 to hear a lot of it, and people were not aware of the other 1023 01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:24,720 one's testimony obviously, And so the question then is why, Well, we 1024 01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:29,159 don't know the answer to that either. And then but when we look at 1025 01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:31,279 the big picture, and you can't look at the small picture here, this 1026 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:38,920 has to be the big picture. It's global, it's intergenerational, it's secret, 1027 01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:45,840 and they can control us neurologically. So my sense of this is is 1028 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:54,000 I'm calling this global acquisition. I think that they are that their plan ultimately 1029 01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,760 is to take over the Earth in some way, or at least civilization on 1030 01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,359 the earth. In other words, I don't know what's happening in every country. 1031 01:29:01,399 --> 01:29:05,960 I don't know what's happening in North Korea, for example, but we 1032 01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:10,279 do think, I mean, it does appear to be global, and there's 1033 01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:14,000 really strong evidence for that. It appears to have been going on for a 1034 01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:19,720 long time, as early as the last quarter of the nineteenth century. And 1035 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:26,039 if you erase that and you just go with sort of evidence, then the 1036 01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:30,159 nineteen teens and then the nineteen twenties, more evidence in the nineteen thirties, 1037 01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:35,640 more evidence in the nineteen forties. That's no problem. Lots and lots and 1038 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:42,359 lots of lots of cases when people were young in the nineteen forties, so 1039 01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,479 we know it's been going on for a long time, which means that there's 1040 01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:53,920 been a lot of time and energy and thought put into this program of planetary 1041 01:29:53,960 --> 01:30:02,760 acquisition. And I've learned that it's it's a complicated business, but it's it's 1042 01:30:03,079 --> 01:30:09,439 it's simple. Also, it's it's sort of beautiful in its construct, as 1043 01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:16,640 scientists might say. It's it's it's it's acquisition through hybridization, and it's just 1044 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:26,439 a slow but now constant stream of people who look like normal, average everyday 1045 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:34,600 individuals, just moving into apartments, having abductees help them, having abductees teach 1046 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:42,039 them about the ten billion things they don't know about on Earth, even though 1047 01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,239 all their lives have been taught what it's like to be on Earth. And 1048 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,199 but once they get here, they need somebody to hold their hands up for 1049 01:30:49,279 --> 01:30:56,800 a lot of things, and that's what abductees do. And then they learn 1050 01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:01,399 enough and they go on to somewhere else and they addicty gets another hybrid who's 1051 01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:05,560 moving in or hubrid as I would call them a combination of human and hybrid. 1052 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:11,399 That I just put the two words together and to differentiate the ones who 1053 01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,560 are actually living here as opposed to all the rest of the hybrids who are 1054 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,960 part of the workforce and on our onboard new UFO. But we don't know 1055 01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:28,520 why. Planetary acquisition seems to be the goal. Now that's interesting that we 1056 01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,840 don't know why. It's just like in the threat, nobody knew what soon 1057 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:36,640 meant, and nobody knew what the change meant. This is this phenomenon, 1058 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:42,239 as I said before, that's psychological or it's happening. If this were psychological, 1059 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,199 people would simply tell you why they were doing it. Because they're making 1060 01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:49,600 everything else up. Why wouldn't they make that up. We'd hear it from 1061 01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:54,479 here from there, maybe not from everybody, but from most people. I 1062 01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,760 just like to change and soon we'd know. But in fact it's no. 1063 01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:05,760 The ones who are doing this don't say why. Therefore the abductees don't know 1064 01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:12,960 why. Therefore I don't know why. Therefore nobody knows why. So there's 1065 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:18,680 no What do you think you said that earlier. You just said a minute 1066 01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:25,720 ago that we're going to know at some point soon or something. But soon, 1067 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,720 what is soon? Right? Well, this is when I asked abductees, 1068 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,439 what did the aliens mean when they said soon? Nobody knew. But 1069 01:32:36,319 --> 01:32:41,319 when they said soon in nineteen ninety seven, In nineteen ninety six, when 1070 01:32:41,319 --> 01:32:47,600 I was doing the research for the threat, everything was the same and stayed 1071 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:54,039 the same for years afterwards, until I began to hear stories that I never 1072 01:32:54,079 --> 01:32:58,199 heard before. And then I realized that this might have been what they meant 1073 01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:00,960 by soon, and this might have been what they meant by the change, 1074 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,880 although I can't be sure of that, but it was different than anything I'd 1075 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:12,720 ever heard. And you have to understand that the abduction phenomenon is when you 1076 01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,239 listen to abduct these talk about their experiences. For them, it's the most 1077 01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:19,600 astounding thing that has ever happened in the history of humankind, and it is 1078 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:28,279 I can understand that. For me, it's I'm going to use the words 1079 01:33:28,359 --> 01:33:33,920 so hoorific, it's I've heard these stories so many times over and over and 1080 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,840 over and over and over again that I have to fight to keep myself awake 1081 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:44,439 during sessions that is unfortunately literally true. And I learned the hard way, 1082 01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:50,920 having fallen asleep, because I'm just hearing the same thing over and over and 1083 01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:59,840 over and over and over and over. I'm asleep now. And consequently that 1084 01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:03,319 extremely important because it's all verification. They're all saying the same thing, and 1085 01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:06,000 they don't know anything about the subject. And then most of what I'm saying, 1086 01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:13,199 and most of what's been on television has not been fully involved with the 1087 01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:15,680 I mean, you're you're here, You're you're only seeing bits and parts of 1088 01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:20,520 the abduction phenomenon on television. Most of what people are saying they have not 1089 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:25,840 picked up in personal in popular culture. These are personal experiences that happen to 1090 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,399 them. But I know that it happens to everybody. And can you tell 1091 01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:34,760 us an example, well, you know, taking an egg? There are 1092 01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:41,680 I used to think in secret life, I wrote that they were extremely interested 1093 01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:46,760 in human sexual response because they would look into the eyes of people and they 1094 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:50,680 would put these people, male or female, on top of one another and 1095 01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:58,119 have them go through the business of intercourse, and then and they would stare 1096 01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:01,000 in their eyes. Ah, And I thought, well, they must they 1097 01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:05,319 keep doing this. They must be interested in human sexual response in some way. 1098 01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:11,279 That's all I could think of. But what I but what it turned 1099 01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:14,800 out to be was that they don't They're not interested in human sexual response at 1100 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,880 all, not even a little bit. They're not interested in. What they're 1101 01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:25,000 interested in is at the peak moment of this event, they take the man 1102 01:35:25,039 --> 01:35:29,680 away from the woman, who then basically ejaculates into a receptacle. It's a 1103 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,560 sperm taking technique. Why they use that, and there's other techniques that they 1104 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:41,119 have too, so well, if they can control the mind, they could 1105 01:35:41,119 --> 01:35:45,319 obviously do that instantly, You're right. And when they do do that, 1106 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:51,319 and they do that with the woman by controlling the mind. And the first 1107 01:35:51,359 --> 01:35:56,880 time I heard this, here's the story about the first time I heard I 1108 01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:02,079 had discovered this business about staring at people from a distance of touching foreheads or 1109 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:06,880 maybe an inch or two and steering, and I would ask them, can 1110 01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,680 you avert your eyes? You know, left, turn and left or right? 1111 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:12,680 And they say no. I say, well, can you close your 1112 01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,720 eyelids? You know? No, they can't do that either. And I 1113 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,640 couldn't figure out what it was. And I finally realized that they were using 1114 01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:24,079 the optic nerve, which can be seen from the outside at the back of 1115 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:30,640 the eye as a conduit to stimulate any particular nerve neurons they wanted to in 1116 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,840 the brain and do different things in the brain and neurologically. One of the 1117 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:42,039 things that they can do is they can stimulate sexual response. And when that 1118 01:36:42,119 --> 01:36:46,479 comes for a woman, they immediately at that point they go down and they 1119 01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:51,159 take an egg now or two eggs, or whatever egg is coming out of 1120 01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:56,399 the ovary. How that happens, I do not know, because that does 1121 01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:00,399 not happen in normal human life. That's not when women are That's not what 1122 01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:08,079 happens in some way that facilitates their taking of the eggs. I've had people 1123 01:37:08,119 --> 01:37:14,800 tell me that hundreds of times. That is not an exaggeration. And one 1124 01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,479 time, this is star. I was going to tell you that before I 1125 01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:25,039 knew this, this guy, this tall gray alien, was staring into this 1126 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:29,319 sixteen year old girl's eyes. Now this she was older when I was working 1127 01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:32,359 with her. Because I don't work with people who are I like to work 1128 01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:35,560 with older people. I wanted to have a life first before they started working 1129 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,880 with me. So I don't work with anybody on the age of twenty one 1130 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,119 and I'm gonna and I don't even like to do that. I'd rather work 1131 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:45,199 with people who are who are fifty or forty or whatever. We already have 1132 01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:50,479 a life and kids and a wife and my husband and all that. So, 1133 01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:54,680 so she's sixteen, she's remembering back to when she was sixteen years old, 1134 01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,479 and I asked her, this is brand this is a brand new stuff. 1135 01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,600 I said, what's going on in your minds while he's staring at you? 1136 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,600 And she said to him, to me, she said, you know, 1137 01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:12,079 I really like him. I really really like him. No, he's 1138 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:17,439 really a good person. I hope he likes me, she says to me, 1139 01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,560 the sixteen year old talking to me, you know. And I think 1140 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:27,640 to myself, here's a bug eyed monster who's staring at her eyes and she's 1141 01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,840 falling in love with him. What could that? How could that be possible? 1142 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:36,840 And I didn't know anything about the sexual response thing yet, but that 1143 01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:42,159 was sort of the beginning of it. It went back a little bit more 1144 01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:45,720 when I first discovered it with another woman. But like the Stockholm syndrome, 1145 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:50,239 no it's not the Stockholm said. They're just creating sexual response so that they 1146 01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:59,840 can take an egg. That's all I care about wow, And so you 1147 01:39:00,039 --> 01:39:01,600 know, there's a bunch of comments that came up. Let me just pull 1148 01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,680 one question for you, because I keep missing all these questions, how many 1149 01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:14,039 commonalities does or do you have on abductees? That I have to read this 1150 01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:19,000 differently because it's written like he's asking me to ask you that you have written 1151 01:39:19,399 --> 01:39:28,079 about that uses that you use as you're checking your checking your abductee in hand. 1152 01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:35,119 I guess there the person who's asking how many commonalities are there? Oh, 1153 01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:41,920 if there weren't commonalities, if it didn't have that soporific aspect of everybody 1154 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,880 saying the same thing all the time, we wouldn't be talking now because it 1155 01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:50,159 would be idiosyncratic. It would be every person would have a story based on 1156 01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:55,119 their own life in some way or another, especially based on their own country. 1157 01:39:56,079 --> 01:40:00,000 And but this is a phenomenon that cuts across everything. It cuts across 1158 01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:06,439 us all religions, all racial aspects, all geographic boundaries, it cuts across 1159 01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:13,800 educational levels. I have people who are psychiatrists and psychologists and therapists who come 1160 01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,760 to me to find out what has been happening with them, even though that 1161 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,239 they're taking the risk because I'm just some amateur guy. I'm just a guy 1162 01:40:21,279 --> 01:40:28,600 off the street. They're taking a risk to come to me and knowing that 1163 01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,880 I will not be you know, say who their actual name is or where 1164 01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:36,319 they teach or anything like that, because they are driven to wanting to find 1165 01:40:36,319 --> 01:40:40,239 out what's going on with them. And when they tell me what's happening to 1166 01:40:40,279 --> 01:40:45,359 them, it's pretty much the same in all the different aspects of which there 1167 01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:48,079 are thousands of aspects that twitter. You know, you can you can dissect 1168 01:40:48,079 --> 01:40:53,680 it into little tiny pieces, and so it's all pretty much the same. 1169 01:40:54,399 --> 01:41:00,479 Now, it can be very very different, extremely difference if you don't know 1170 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:05,199 what you're doing when you do hypnosis and you ask the wrong questions in the 1171 01:41:05,239 --> 01:41:10,199 wrong way, and you call for wrong answers, and you understand you don't 1172 01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:14,760 understand the role of confabulation. People will confabulate. They'll say things that they 1173 01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,479 will swear to as being true and it turns out not to be true. 1174 01:41:18,279 --> 01:41:23,840 Do they believe it's true though? Oh absolutely. And the most confabulation takes 1175 01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:29,880 place and consciously recalled memories. Now, obviously ninety five percent of adductees don't 1176 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,880 remember anything. It's not Those aren't the ones we work with. We work 1177 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,680 with the ones who do know something is going on, who do have a 1178 01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:39,319 memory of something happening, or a bizarre dream of aliens in their bedroom or 1179 01:41:39,399 --> 01:41:44,399 something like that, and other things too, which then drive them to me. 1180 01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,960 I take people who basically are it's interfering with their life. If it's 1181 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,680 not interfering with their life, if everything is okay, they're married, the 1182 01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:57,159 happy area, that everything is fine, I'm not about to open this up 1183 01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:00,279 for them and destroy their lives in some way or another. I don't want 1184 01:42:00,319 --> 01:42:03,600 to do that. I want to work with people who where this is getting 1185 01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:08,560 in the way of their normal life. They deserve to have a normal life, 1186 01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:17,159 and that's what I'm looking for. So basically, the commonalities are are 1187 01:42:17,239 --> 01:42:24,720 critical, and it's extremely important that that they say the same things. If, 1188 01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:31,760 however, I take four for truth what they first tell me. For 1189 01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:38,800 example, I will tell you a risky story. That's when I was twelve 1190 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:44,399 years old. This is conscious memory. She sat in the backyard playing. 1191 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,399 She got the urge to go to the bathroom, but it was too far. 1192 01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:51,359 With an urgent urge, there was too far to go back to our 1193 01:42:51,399 --> 01:42:57,119 house. She was in a wooded area, nobody was around. So she, 1194 01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,439 as we like to say in the halls of the team, took a 1195 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:09,960 dump near a tree. So when she looked at it, she was astounded 1196 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:15,760 to see a tapeworm in it, and that was that really was sort of 1197 01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:23,119 amazing. And but that does happen, and so I think, so we 1198 01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:26,720 did a session on that because it was sort of fascinating. So he's out 1199 01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,720 playing in the back of the woods and the woods and then then there's this 1200 01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,319 UFO there, and then she goes into the into the UFO and these aliens 1201 01:43:33,359 --> 01:43:35,359 and this happens, and that happens, and this happens, and that happens, 1202 01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:39,319 and this happens, and that happens, and then she comes out and 1203 01:43:39,359 --> 01:43:44,880 then she runs home. I said, wait a second, what about how 1204 01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,359 you had to go to the bathroom by the tree and all that? She 1205 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,119 said, no, no, I don't think that happened. I said, 1206 01:43:51,159 --> 01:43:55,439 what about that tape room that stuck in your mind for all these years? 1207 01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:00,239 Said, now, I don't think that happened either. She had that in 1208 01:44:00,359 --> 01:44:03,000 her mind for years and years and years, and when it became time for 1209 01:44:03,079 --> 01:44:06,000 her to just describe it to me, was I was ready to listen to 1210 01:44:06,119 --> 01:44:13,600 it. It wasn't there. That's confabulation. I can tell you story after 1211 01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,079 story after story after story, but this is how you can how you handle 1212 01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:21,000 it. Here's another story. This is how you handle it. Woman wakes 1213 01:44:21,039 --> 01:44:24,479 up in the middle of the night. There's Abraham Lincoln standing at the foot 1214 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,119 of her bed. He's tall, he's got a stove by a pad on 1215 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:30,960 it says beard. He's standing there with somebody else or something like that. 1216 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,159 They take her out of the bed, they take her up into the ufo 1217 01:44:35,239 --> 01:44:41,479 etteta, and I'm not saying a word about Abraham Lincoln. And finally I 1218 01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:45,479 say, well, now you know, they tear clothes off. She's in 1219 01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:46,640 a room. They pick her up. Day. She's walking down the hallway. 1220 01:44:47,039 --> 01:44:50,640 I say, well, where is Abraham Lincoln. Oh, he's in 1221 01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:56,119 front of me, walking down this hallway. I said, okay, Well, 1222 01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:00,119 I said, can you see a stove pipe? Pat? She said 1223 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:06,960 no, no, no. I said, well, can you see his 1224 01:45:08,119 --> 01:45:10,119 hair then? If he's not wearing his hat, can you see his hair 1225 01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:13,680 in the back of his head if he's in front of you, No, 1226 01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:15,880 I can't see that. I said, well, when you're looking at him, 1227 01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,479 are you looking up at him. Are you looking straight across at him? 1228 01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,439 Are you looking down at him? So well, I'm sort of looking 1229 01:45:23,159 --> 01:45:26,000 straight across at him. And then she said, you know, I don't 1230 01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:30,680 think this is Lincoln. That's how you do it. It's just simple chronological 1231 01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:36,239 and logical questioning, that's all. And after the first session has most confabulation, 1232 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:45,720 and it comes the first in the two major areas of confabulation are what 1233 01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,720 I just describe, which is describing aliens. And believe me, you get 1234 01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:55,199 people who tell me that there's two hundred and forty eight different kinds of aliens 1235 01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:58,960 who are visiting here. You know, I'm abducting people, and people who 1236 01:45:59,039 --> 01:46:02,239 tell me there are twenty different kinds of it. And this is all confabulation 1237 01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:09,720 from what I can tell. And so if you work with them, uh, 1238 01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:15,720 doing chronological and logical questioning based on what they're saying, then not on 1239 01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:20,520 based on what I think they should be saying, they learn very quickly that 1240 01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:27,039 memory is slippery and they had remembered things that didn't happen or weren't true, 1241 01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,159 and what they're remembering is actually a stranger than what they thought they were remembering, 1242 01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:36,039 you know. Sometimes and then they become sort of scientist observers. They 1243 01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:45,960 understand the enormity of this, They understand the incredible aspect of this phenomenon for 1244 01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:53,560 everybody, and they want to be accurate. Then they don't want confabulation that 1245 01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:58,479 they want to be accurate about about what's happening to them. And I have 1246 01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:03,760 a style of questioning which causes that accuracy, which allows for it. Well, 1247 01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,079 I got a question along those lines, if that's all right, is 1248 01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:15,640 have you seen as time has gone by like an overall change? You say 1249 01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,680 that there's you know, the story sounds the same, sounds the same, 1250 01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:23,479 But is it your questions also the same? Or do you change your questions? 1251 01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:28,720 No, my questions are pretty much the same. I only ask what 1252 01:47:29,039 --> 01:47:33,720 they see, what they talk about. Now, Sometimes there's there's there's depends. 1253 01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:38,800 I will ask them sometimes if they've gone for four hours and they tell 1254 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,119 me about fifteen minutes worth of material, I know they skipped a lot of 1255 01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:45,640 stuff. So I'll tell them, well, you know, let's just see 1256 01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,600 if anything else happened. Then I'll count from threader one or something like that 1257 01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,359 and tell them, you know, when I get there one, you'll you'll 1258 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,319 you'll remember something else. Happening. If it did, and it might have 1259 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,600 nothing else happened, that's fine too. And then they remember, oh, 1260 01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:00,800 they took me into a different room, they did this, and they did 1261 01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,039 that, and then they took me into another room and they did Disney. 1262 01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:09,720 You know, but they will that's only in the first several sessions. Usually 1263 01:48:10,399 --> 01:48:14,359 after a while they get used to it and they understand that when they go 1264 01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:16,880 out of the room, they know that I'm going to ask them, well, 1265 01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,560 if you're going out of the room, they've already described the room to 1266 01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,960 me because they because they said they were going into the room, So I 1267 01:48:23,039 --> 01:48:25,760 get to talk about the room. Then then when they go out of the 1268 01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:30,720 room, I ask them do they go straight? Do they straight out of 1269 01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,479 the room? Do they go left? Or do they turn right or something 1270 01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,840 like that. Now, there's only so many ways you can go, you 1271 01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:41,319 know, So they say, well, so they know right away. They 1272 01:48:41,319 --> 01:48:45,000 say, well, I'm turning right into a hallway now, And they've learned 1273 01:48:45,039 --> 01:48:49,319 to be accurate because I'm sort of asking for it. I'm asking for accuracy, 1274 01:48:50,119 --> 01:48:56,399 and when that happens, nothing bubbles up. That is bizarre. There's 1275 01:48:56,439 --> 01:49:00,720 nothing to do with religion in there. There's nothing to do with being transcendent 1276 01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:09,520 beings helping to heal the world or heal us or whatever people say. I 1277 01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:14,039 just don't ever hear that. As long as I'm asking questions the correct way 1278 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:17,760 and they're leading me on what questions I can ask, I can't just tell 1279 01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:25,000 them ask them a question out of the blue. I'm going on this journey 1280 01:49:25,159 --> 01:49:28,640 physically with them and they're doing things. I can ask them questions about what's 1281 01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:31,520 going on. You know, have you ever heard like I know you said, 1282 01:49:32,119 --> 01:49:35,880 what was it? Spot for? Whatever that word is that I'll have 1283 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:44,319 to look up they put you to sleep? Have you had soporific? Okay? 1284 01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:53,399 Have you had say, spoken to someone in multiple times? Her story 1285 01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,840 is similar. You're falling asleep and all of a sudden there's something new or 1286 01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:03,119 something bizarre that that you actually believe as part of the story. Yeah, 1287 01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:10,159 that does happen, and it may not be necessarily validated by others. It 1288 01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:14,640 only happens when I've worked with the person for a number of years and I 1289 01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,560 know and I trust that person, And usually the person will say to me, 1290 01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,399 now, I don't know whether this is true, whether this is happening 1291 01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:23,399 or not, but I'll tell you to you anyway, and then they'll say 1292 01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:30,399 something that makes perfect logical sense in some way, and I'll latch onto that 1293 01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,479 because I know this person. I've known this person well, and I've had 1294 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:38,000 ten, fifteen, twenty or thirty sessions with the hamm or her, and 1295 01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:44,279 I know that they are extremely careful in how they're describing things, and they've 1296 01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:46,000 learned how to do it, and they've learned how to warn me and all 1297 01:50:46,039 --> 01:50:51,119 the rest of that stuff. Even then, and it's usually a minor thing, 1298 01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:55,520 but even then, I prefer to wait for somebody else to say the 1299 01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:59,880 same thing. And the phenomenon is so rutinized that invariably somebody else will. 1300 01:51:00,119 --> 01:51:04,960 You know it's but it's all a matter of questioning, and it's a matter 1301 01:51:05,039 --> 01:51:11,039 of trust, and it's a yeah. There are some people who who will 1302 01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:16,000 ask a person a question. They're they're remembering something that happened ten years ago, 1303 01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:21,399 and in the middle of this discussion, the hypnotist will say, I 1304 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:26,319 want you to ask the alien a question. I want you to ask them 1305 01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,880 what planet do they come from? Or something like that. You know, 1306 01:51:30,079 --> 01:51:31,199 Hang on a second, here, we have a caller. Can you say 1307 01:51:31,239 --> 01:51:35,000 your first name? And question please, Bobby, Hey, Bobby, who 1308 01:51:35,039 --> 01:51:39,920 are you, good man? The question is, actually you kind of got 1309 01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:46,399 it wrong. Is what checks does he still have where ductees that he believes 1310 01:51:46,399 --> 01:51:50,800 are real have told him that he keeps himself and doesn't share in his books. 1311 01:51:51,279 --> 01:51:56,800 How many of those does he have that he still uses to see that 1312 01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:00,680 are commonalities? Okay, just to let you know, we have a couple 1313 01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:05,239 of two minutes left. Thank you, Bobby. You're welcome to In the 1314 01:52:05,319 --> 01:52:11,920 first couple of sessions, I asked deliberately misleading questions. I'm not going to 1315 01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:15,279 say what they are, but they asked and I know them. Bud used 1316 01:52:15,319 --> 01:52:20,880 to ask people, you know that most abductees see that there's a yellow colored 1317 01:52:21,159 --> 01:52:28,159 a yellow sort of bright yellow alien who stands off to the side and watches 1318 01:52:28,279 --> 01:52:30,079 things as they go on and doesn't do anything. You can see him, 1319 01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:35,479 can't you. Of course, that's never been said by anybody ever, at 1320 01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:42,800 any time. And so, and there's another researcher, John Carpenter, who 1321 01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,359 had a whole list of these types of questions to ask. And I'll ask 1322 01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:50,079 those questions. I can tell fairly quickly how responsor the person is, and 1323 01:52:50,359 --> 01:52:56,720 they're usually wary of asking questions that aren't going to apply to them in some 1324 01:52:56,840 --> 01:53:01,079 way. But I do do that absolutely, and I try to do that 1325 01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:06,720 with everybody, and for the first several sessions until I'm pretty much satisfied that 1326 01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,760 they're going to be. They're trying to be as accurate as possible. Nobody 1327 01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:14,680 wants to say anything that's wrong or false. They don't know. Nobody wants 1328 01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,000 that, at least of all me. Right, So, David, what's 1329 01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:20,359 your website? And one more time, the name of your book? Then 1330 01:53:21,239 --> 01:53:27,039 it's on your website. Right. The website is is a UFO Abduction, 1331 01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:34,000 no s dot com, just singular Abduction dot com. The book is called 1332 01:53:34,079 --> 01:53:41,520 Walking among Us, How the Aliens Plan to Control Humanity. The Walking among 1333 01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:45,039 Us was something that came up with on the spur of the moments. The 1334 01:53:45,159 --> 01:53:47,920 other part was their subtitle. They had a different title, which I will 1335 01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,880 not tell you, okay, because it was straight out of the pages of 1336 01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,520 the National Inquirer. So I figured, no, no, no, no 1337 01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,000 no, that's not going to work. Well, thanks so much. It's 1338 01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,159 been a real pleasure. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 1339 01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:04,079 Yeah, all right, So that's it for the show. Tonight, and 1340 01:54:04,399 --> 01:54:09,800 I want to thank everyone for helping out, starting out with Keith Roland for 1341 01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:15,880 helping out with a with a live show. And we have Peggy Shunning who 1342 01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,600 helps us out with the Facebook page. Remember to like us on Facebook for 1343 01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:24,800 all the latest UFO news. Next week, we have Mark Diantonio coming up 1344 01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:30,520 and we're going to talk about astronomy and UFO research, UPHO tog as he 1345 01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:34,920 calls it, and a lot more. And so I want to thank everyone 1346 01:54:35,039 --> 01:54:39,680 for supporting the show. If you're listening this long, you are a supporter 1347 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:44,359 or you're listening live, and I greatly appreciate it, and so thanks a 1348 01:54:44,399 --> 01:54:47,079 lot everyone. We'll be back next week right here on the Dark Matter Digital 1349 01:54:47,159 --> 01:54:51,720 Network at APM to ten pm Eastern Standard time. Hopefully you change your clock 1350 01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:56,039 for daylight savings. All right, we'll talk to you later, see you 1351 01:54:56,119 --> 01:54:57,880 next week, and keep your eyes to the sky.