1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Well off of the Memorial Day holiday here in the United States, we come 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,679 your way with the month of June looming with another bonus edition of the Fight 3 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:16,079 Freaks Unite Recap podcast Off the weekend. I am the somewhat capable host T 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,719 J. Reeves, and I have decided to call upon someone that I do 5 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:26,199 go to frequently on the air and off the air for insight for particularly boxing 6 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:31,280 in the UK and England, but also movies, nostalgia, whatever it takes. 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,640 He's back again. Hello to my colleague David Payne, aka the boxing 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,159 writer from over in Britain. Good to have you on all fronts, because 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,960 man, did we have a ton of action this weekend that I want thoughts 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,960 on. But also when we start talking boxing movies and Rayphael went there, 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,039 Dan Raphael went there on this very podcast, fee that Rocky three is not 12 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:59,880 only the greatest of the Rocky series of movies, but is in his mind 13 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,359 the greatest movie of all time. Almost like mohamma, I'm the greatest of 14 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,359 all time. He's going greatest of all time and I just don't know about 15 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:11,359 that. In any event, thank you for finding us. Hello David Payne, 16 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,760 who is spending some time with me here midweek. Good to have you, 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,959 my friend. Always good to talk to you, TJ. And excited 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,760 to talk about the fights I know the podcast listeners of I've been through these 19 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:30,599 with Dan. But so he's perhaps good to have a British perspective and to 20 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:36,120 throw him my two pennis on the Rookie series and did make a very compelling 21 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,840 case for Rockie three. And obviously and whatever other topics might come up, 22 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:44,959 and we've got the most connection of course, Yes, we're got to talk 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,920 about that. Probably better qualified than than to discuss. Yes, so we 24 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,000 can. We can cover all bases, all right, So let's let's get 25 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,200 into it. First of all, I should say to the audience I love 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,519 David for a lot of different reasons, not the least of which is he 27 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,200 has been adamant. And that is the word we'll use. Adamant, Uh, 28 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:05,879 not forcefully yet not threatening, but adamant. We're not We're not using 29 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,560 video off of this right, we're not using video, No social teases, 30 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,719 et cetera. Yet you redecorated the background behind you and put up a photo 31 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,960 of Lennox Lewis behind you, while continuing to be to be adamant that we 32 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,120 can't use video. So it's a print of a painting to each I understand, 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,719 but it's Theodore the mine right now. They can't see it. They're 34 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:30,080 not gonna see it because you keep urging me, don't use this, don't 35 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:34,280 use the video. Well, well you never know. I might. I 36 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,280 might relinquish the video rights to this, and I understand. So who is 37 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,960 Lennox popping with the left there in that photo? It's a great painting that 38 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:45,479 has Lenox kind of in the background as I describe it, and then Lennox 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,879 in the as a as like a shoulder shot or what we call I think. 40 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,439 So is it Oliver McCall? So it's an Oliverall fight? I don't 41 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:58,560 know how its tonically accurate? Is it before or after? McCall is crying 42 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:02,319 throughout the fight and throughout the in between? Who would do a point of 43 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,159 the other? One is a fight post of fun Lennox Lewis versus Glenn McClory, 44 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:15,960 which I love it. Lennox love all of this. Okay, So 45 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,400 that kind of segues into the big deal of fight. Speaking of Brits from 46 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:23,039 this past weekend, let's dive in. We don't have to go into the 47 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:24,680 full recap, but I want to come with this off the premise of the 48 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:30,479 Louis Alberto Lopez knockout of Michael Conlin of mcconlin in Belfast, Northern Ireland. 49 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,240 Okay, so one, give me what you saw, and then two more 50 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,919 importantly, Dan more so than me, thinks this is not just crossroads here, 51 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:45,000 but this could be it that Michael Conlin's days of being a big stage 52 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,280 fighter may be done. So first insight on what you saw and then just 53 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:53,479 go ahead with at thirty one, are we really near the end for Conlin 54 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,879 or can he sort it out and be back? Well, I think before 55 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,800 we go to Conlin, I think he's same poland it gives some credits to 56 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,159 Lewis the peers is. I think he's a fight to I enjoy watching. 57 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:09,000 I don't want to name drop or try and match him up with people from 58 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:13,599 the past that he kind of gives me echoes of. Well, the fact 59 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,879 that he comes forward with his hands down by his hips, launches from an 60 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:21,040 orthodox angles can put people down with single shots. I really like I liked 61 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:25,560 him when I started researching him in preview, before his previous visits here, 62 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,519 and I think he's a fighter we're going to enjoy watching for another couple of 63 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,680 years. He may lose him along the way, but I think he's going 64 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:34,319 to be in pretty thrilling fights. He's not I don't find him a standard 65 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:40,040 Mexican fighter. I don't like the stereotype based on nationality anyway. But he's 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,000 got some other attributes that He's just got this kind of chaotic style which I 67 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:48,519 quite like. And I'm going to say it anyway, there's little nuggets of 68 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,000 hammered in there. I think, just in the way that he has his 69 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,199 arrogance about him and the way they punches from the hip and he can stop 70 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,959 people. It doesn't seem to care about what's coming on the other way, 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 relies and reflex I just like him. So Lopez, credit to him. 72 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:08,920 He's done it again. He's come here to a big hostile crowd. Belfast, 73 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,040 as you mentioned in your discourse with Dan, is a hot place to 74 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,920 go. They know the boxing there, so they gave him great credit, 75 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:24,040 as they always doing Belfast. But it's a it's a patriotic, partisan place 76 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,399 to visit, and he's obviously was uninhibited and did the job. As for 77 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,879 Connel, and as you said, he is only thirty one, but maybe 78 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:36,839 he has found a ceiling for all his tremendous credentials as an amateur. Maybe 79 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:41,519 he will always be just be that one step short amongst the current cross of 80 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:45,839 featherweights. We will see it. I'll be surprised if it's the end for 81 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,040 him. I understand Dan's point. He may reach the kind of the place 82 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:55,279 of I've earned some money, I'm safe, and well, let's do some 83 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,600 other things with the rest of my life. But on the other hand, 84 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:03,319 that was a pretty hefty crowd drew, and I could imagine Conlin finding another 85 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,000 opponent that could draw another crowd that would be sold as a rebuild. Obviously 86 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,199 not going to go straight back into a title fight after two knockout defeats in 87 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,000 big fights, but boxes tend to go on longer than you want them to 88 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:20,000 rather than less time that you want to them too, So whether it's for 89 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,360 the better or worse, I think we'll see Conlin at least one more time. 90 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:28,839 One of Dan's points was he just didn't in the American vernacular, didn't 91 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:32,879 look like he had it, and by the second round he thought man Michael 92 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Conlin doesn't look like he has it. He's getting hit. What would you 93 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:44,199 theorize is behind is a lot of that again credit Lopez, big punch. 94 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,199 What would you say? I think Conlin try to have the right strategy. 95 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,519 Here is a guy that the some echos in the wood fight probably knew that 96 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,519 he needed to box arrange to establish the job to you. Supposedly his superior 97 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,920 technique, with all that amateur grounding, all those dozens and dozens of opponents 98 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,720 from around the world that he's fought, there should have been no surprises in 99 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:11,079 Lopez. But of course, the difference between the amateur game and the professional 100 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,959 game is when you get hit on the chain by a professional featherweight, it's 101 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,839 slightly different kettler fish to the one with the head guard, and so on 102 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:23,720 and so forth. So I think we mustn't underestimate Lopez's punching power, the 103 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,240 fact that he surprises you from different angles. And I just think Conlin got 104 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:33,360 took out of his game plan and probably got caught between his game plan, 105 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:41,160 his natural length used the jab and the Irishman and him that wants to have 106 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:46,439 a scrap and prove that he's got the toughness to ride with the Mexican and 107 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,480 I think he got caught a little in between and then found himself falling out 108 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:53,839 of the fight and then found himself falling into a great upper cup. And 109 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:58,600 that was all she wrote. And I think Adam Booth kind of saw it 110 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:01,839 coming, perhaps in a third foth at the end the seat of fourth and 111 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,160 the towel was very quick over the should there wasn't it. There was no 112 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:07,160 hesitation, so I think, hopefully say for another day, if that's what 113 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,920 he chooses to do. But yeah, I couldn't establish the job in the 114 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,959 way that he wanted to, and I think we have to give credit to 115 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,240 Lopus for that and the power that clearly hurts or the featherweights. So good 116 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,000 insight post fight insight here from David Payne. Let's move on to Lee Wood's 117 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,199 victory, which again as we went over and I want you to have your 118 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:31,519 say here in our conversation, there wasn't much to this. Would got an 119 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:37,080 early knockdown, would in control Mauricio Laura obviously the weight problems and did not 120 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,480 look very interested as the fight went on, and even Dan said no urgency 121 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:45,480 in the corner and the latter rounds of the fight, tell him to try 122 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,879 to change or do almost resignation is the word I will use of. He's 123 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,320 beating us. He's going to beat us, all right, so give me 124 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,559 some thoughts on that. And then when the man mentioned I want to fight 125 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,720 at city Grounds. Now we're playing David Payne's song. We'll get to that 126 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,240 moment, but first with what you saw. Yeah, disappointed from Lara. 127 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,240 Another fighter that I've enjoyed watching over the last year or two. Again, 128 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,639 I've researched it a little bit before his fights with Warrington, etc. So 129 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,120 seeing more of his fights than would usually be available here in the UK, 130 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 dug them out on YouTube, etc. And I liked a lot of what 131 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,240 he saw, and going into the weekend I thought Conlin could get it done. 132 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,639 But a Lopez versus Lara unification would have been a tremendous prospect. However, 133 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,039 that sits promotionally. That would have been great fight between those two guys. 134 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,279 But as you say, Lara was a huge disappointment. We don't know. 135 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:41,240 We may never know how he arrived overweight. The British Boxing Board of 136 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:45,480 Control of some pretty stringent rules about how far overweight you can be a week 137 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,200 out from the fight. Obviously he was over here getting checked weight in. 138 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,039 I think it's four pounds something like that, so they wouldn't let him come 139 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:58,639 down any lower. Whether he customarily is able to cut that water cut that 140 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,279 weight at the last minute, and so it was somewhat disappointed not to be 141 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,679 able to try, or whether it spoke to a longer lack of care in 142 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:15,919 his preparation and expectation of being knock him Wood out again and therefore he didn't 143 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,159 have the miles in the legs as they say, and then you take the 144 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,279 title away, and then he didn't have the motivation and I think you used 145 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,200 a phrase checked out. And it seemed with the corner work as well, 146 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,399 they'd very much dropped the hotel keys off and we're on the way to the 147 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:35,919 airport. Just needed to go through the routine to collect to collect the check 148 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,320 and not being any further trouble and not lose any more from from missing the 149 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,000 way. Now, whether they were poorly educated as to the British boxing boarder 150 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:48,399 controls restrictions, I don't know. I was going to say they had to 151 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,000 go through them the first time for the first time. Yeah, close, 152 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,919 Maybe he was closer in the way last time. Again, I don't know 153 00:10:56,039 --> 00:11:00,840 that. Maybe that information is available out there if I enough, but I 154 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,320 don't know that. But yeah, maybe the motivation going there was different. 155 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,720 He was a bit tighter to the weight nearer to or further out, so 156 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,320 didn't explore that, didn't have that. We always assume that these corners. 157 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,279 I don't know about ut J, and I think Dan made a reference to 158 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,879 something similar a week ago. We expect all these people to be super professional 159 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:24,320 and have it all all down and know everything and be prepared for every eventuality. 160 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:26,919 But a lot of the time some of them don't know what the hell 161 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,720 are doing in the corner. Which is not to say that that's the case 162 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,799 this time, But sometimes I think we make assumptions that people have crossed every 163 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,679 tea and dotted every eye. They only ever seem to do that with contracts, 164 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,919 don't they. But here with this stuff, I'm really there's there's an 165 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,480 unknown about it. I think Laura will be back, whether he's back as 166 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,399 a featherweight or whether there's a lot a longer term weight issue, will have 167 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:48,759 to wait and see. You would imagine he'd want to come back at further 168 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,960 weight where he's got a name where he'd be a non entity here again, 169 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,559 you know the fights, it's still a Warrington match would probably sell. But 170 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,200 yeah, the titles a gun for now. Okay, so we moved to 171 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,600 what Wood might do next as we're talking now the WBO or I'm sorry the 172 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,440 w BA. On Tuesday, I gotta keep all my alphabet soup straight. 173 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:16,080 The WBA did announce that they are formally ordering the fight against the young Russian 174 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,600 Kolmatoff, who's the number one contender. Kalmatoff only has eleven professional fights. 175 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,840 Lee Woods said in the ring post fight, I would love for Eddie Hearn 176 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:33,519 and Mattchroom to put me in city grounds for Nottingham Forest football fame and lore 177 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,799 and have a stadium fight. I don't know realistically if that fight with Kalmatoff, 178 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:41,399 if that's it would be a stadium fight. But just the mere mention 179 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:48,240 of this, because you are diehard Nottingham Forest and again for people that may 180 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,440 not be familiar, they are listening to US English soccer or football as they 181 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,039 call it, is so passionate. It is something there's such allegiance to it 182 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,159 and you are such a fan of that football club. So the mere mention 183 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,000 of this. I know. I see the smile on your face as you're 184 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,480 percolating right now that the man brought that up. How realistic do you think 185 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,679 it is that he could have a stadium fight in that hallowed ground. If 186 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,919 you're a Nottingham Forest football or soccer fan, how realistic do you think that 187 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,919 is? I think, from a ticket sales point of view, entirely realistic. 188 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:28,519 And I think Lee Wood with the right opponent, definitely with the right 189 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:33,320 opponent in the opposite corner, could sell whatever that capacity is now not in 190 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,559 your Forest is one of the oldest football clubs in the world, formed in 191 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,320 eighteen sixty five and we've played at the city ground or the pitch in that 192 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,840 location since eighteen ninety eight. So it's a very historic club with a great 193 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,279 history and I am a die hard, lifelong fan. If those two stats 194 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,200 don't reveal it old to everybody, but I won't bore everyone with that. 195 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,519 It's a football stadium. It's not one of the biggest football stadiums in the 196 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:03,080 country. We're not talking Wembley, other Millennium Stadium or Tottenham or anywhere else 197 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,279 like that. It's about a thirty thousand football capacity. What the quacity would 198 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:13,799 be for a boxing match, I'd imagine similar less perhaps who knows, but 199 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,919 obviously that's a dream that's become a narrative in English. British boxing is the 200 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,120 stadium fight. Everyone wants it. Josh Warrington wanted it, Kyl Frampton wanted 201 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:30,159 it, Anthony Joshua has made it a regular occurrence, and Kyl Froch has 202 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,480 wanted it. And they've all done it, Tony Bell. You I can 203 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,799 go on and on and on listing them. So Leewood wants his piece of 204 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,399 that. And with the way that Nottingham Forest is a football club, very 205 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,399 boyant and happy place at the moment, I don't think you'd have any trouble 206 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,000 selling now. The problem we've got, of course, is timing. He 207 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,879 said himself five years of old age. He's probably only got a couple of 208 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:56,559 fights at this kind of peak performance that he's found left in him. We've 209 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,559 just finished the normal football season here in the UK. Boxing fans were not 210 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,480 following the British Premier League. I have to remember that not everyone in the 211 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:11,559 entire eight billion people follows, although we're often told they are that, and 212 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,840 we've only got a very short break. They will be back playing fixtures again 213 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,600 first week of August, so we are a very short window. Now, 214 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:24,840 Lee would turn this fight around in twelve weeks. Whether it's conceivable that you 215 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:30,080 could turn around another opponent in that time or less in a football stadium and 216 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:35,440 all preparations that come with that seems unlikely. So a window is winning August 217 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:41,960 mid August or do they start playing games the football for nothing? For us, 218 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,840 we're playing Premier League fixtures. I do like saying that the first week 219 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,480 of August, so it's almost completely unless you're going to turn and right around 220 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,159 on sixty days. Notice, it's almost unrealistic to believe you're gonna be in 221 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:58,039 that team unless is there a window and this sometimes happens rarely. I mean 222 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:02,120 they're not going to do it in the National Football League, which is our 223 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,480 American football, where during a season they would have a concert, let's say, 224 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,879 on an NFL stadium's grounds during the season, they're not going to do 225 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,559 that. So do you believe that Forest and and those that administrate it would 226 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,360 would say, hey, we're not going to even if we had an off 227 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,679 window week or ten days, we're not putting a boxing ring and hundreds and 228 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,399 thousands of people on the pitch, on the field during a season. That's 229 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:33,240 the roadblock figure table, right. You know, other stadiums have got alternative 230 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,799 ways. Tottenham can work around it. They've got a a American football pitch 231 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,200 that slides in. They can do the whole manner of different magic that they 232 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,879 can do, because they did that with the Joshua Will fight. Right. 233 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,159 Yeah, the the first Joshua Will fight was a September fight, if I 234 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,240 recall, and they were able to do that during the British football season. 235 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,759 If if if there's a window between fixtures, we're not in focus playing away. 236 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:59,720 We don't want to borrow everyone with Premier League, that's not why they're 237 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,840 here. If there's a window, I suppose it's conceivable. But then we're 238 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:07,640 back into the weather, We're back into that, we're further north only by 239 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,680 a couple of three hours, but we're you know, it's it's a slightly 240 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,519 different equation, I guess. So to get back to your question, what 241 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,319 seems more conceivable to me is that if lee Wood can do an end of 242 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,960 year fight this year in a normal arena, hold onto his belt, not 243 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,000 lose, then maybe a May, June, July fight next year, that 244 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:37,039 the noting Forest Stadium could be his swan song, the big crescendo that he's 245 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,279 after. I see that sounds entirely more plausible to me, particularly given that 246 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,319 he's had two Although this was a relatively easy fight, He's had two tough 247 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,039 camps, two tough fights in a three month period. You would imagine a 248 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,640 fight in October, November, December, even and then May June. Sounds 249 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,160 a more modern day, should we say, timetable, although we do applauding 250 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,319 for his courage in taking that fight to over turn around from getting knocked out 251 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:04,920 on or stopped at least. We spend much of our lives waiting waiting for 252 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,759 someone to talk to. Thank you for holding waiting in line next and waiting 253 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:14,000 for the sun to shine. But if you're holding on for the right ev 254 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,599 your weight is over because the Kia EV six is now waiting for you at 255 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,920 your local Kia dealer, A triumph of design, space and range. The 256 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,119 award winning EV six is the car that changes everything. So what are you 257 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,640 waiting for? Visit Kia dot com to book your test drive. Kia movement 258 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,640 that inspires, Yeah, you and I are contemporaries in that regard where hey, 259 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,799 we remember in the eighties and even into the nineties when fighters would fight 260 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,279 three times a year, sometimes they would fight four times a year, meaning 261 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:47,000 they were in the ring every ninety or one hundred and twenty days. Now 262 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,599 we get to the ridiculous parts of oh, I'm good after one for twelve 263 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,599 months. I'm good, as I've said many times, and I'll use it 264 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,440 as a regular comment. It's a joke that I tell to myself, really, 265 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,240 because no one listens or cares. But when they're now Spence Crawford for 266 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,839 July or whatever it is, and my only response is sending me a text 267 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,720 when they're walking to the ring or when the bell rings, because I'm sick 268 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:14,599 of talking about it. I don't want to talk about a charlot that's not 269 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,079 fought for four hundred days and still consider whatever champion of whatever body, of 270 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,240 whatever division he claims to be in, because he's to me, he's not 271 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:27,160 in that division, and he's not he's not a professional fighter. So yes, 272 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:32,000 it drives me to distraction. I don't wake up on Sunday mornings with 273 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:34,160 headaches and punches in the head. I don't have to starve myself to make 274 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,880 whatever weight they make, all the sacrifices. It's entirely up to them. 275 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,680 But unfortunately that's the era we live in and it's not healthy for the sport 276 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:48,200 or for them in terms of creating great historic legacies. Butos they get paid 277 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:52,480 very well these days, most of the top guys. So I understand why 278 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,480 they're not fighting three four times a year. Yeah, but let's let's see 279 00:19:55,559 --> 00:20:00,160 him be at least somewhat active, like credit to would credit to a know 280 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:06,440 for quicker turnarounds and getting and Lara two. He could he could have turned 281 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,680 this down and said no, I don't want it yet, I wanted further 282 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,359 later in the year, or they all got on with it and some credit 283 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:17,839 for that and we'en I'll lose. We mustn't discard the loss. We must 284 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,480 stick by them too, because they've been willing to have a go and fight 285 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:23,759 more frequently. You're listening to the conversation with the boxing writer David Payne. 286 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:29,720 He's at the Boxing Writer on Twitter, finding it boxing writer dot co dot 287 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:33,799 uk as his website. David has been gracious to be getting me wisdom an 288 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,400 insight on and off the mic for the better part of four plus years, 289 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,559 frequent guests here on the podcast and the podcast feed you get. You gave 290 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:45,119 me a great segue to Laurence o'coley and the Upset by Chris Billham smith Man. 291 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,480 It's a trilogy, It's a trifecta. This is three for three here 292 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,359 on British Championship fight cards that we're reviewing with you. So I backed Billam 293 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Smith. I backed him on our bet Us show, Big Dan did not 294 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:03,079 have Billam Smith that ends up cashing. Congratulations, congratulations on that pick well, 295 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:07,400 and the blind squirrel does find the nut every once in a while, 296 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,880 and even while blind. But I really believed in him that especially being able 297 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,720 to go to the route that he would be able to out tough o coley. 298 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,880 I had belief in him and he pulled it off. Give me your 299 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,279 thoughts on what you saw as he became w BO CRUI Away Champion. What's 300 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:30,519 your insight, Well, it's gonna it will appear unkind perhaps what I want 301 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:36,680 to say about Billiam Smith. But there's been a lot of commentary on the 302 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:42,640 disappointment of a Colt and the maddening performance delivered by Cole. But I found 303 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:48,680 Billiam Smith's performance. Yes, he was durable, Yes he stayed in there, 304 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,359 he didn't make any stupid mistakes. But I didn't see a great deal. 305 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:59,599 I saw a very mediocre performance from him. To be honest, he 306 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:03,000 just he didn't make mistakes, which I suppose is to his great credit. 307 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,799 But I saw a big, strong, tough guy walking forward without throwing a 308 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,960 jab very often. It kind of Coley just sat with his one fist on 309 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,680 his head hoping to land a big right hand, and really Bill and Smith 310 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,640 didn't give him the opportunity. Again, to his credit, he was fit, 311 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,880 he was strong, he took the shots that coal he got through. 312 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,200 He hung in there, he didn't panic, But I didn't. I didn't 313 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,920 see a tremendous offense. I didn't see. I don't see a great fighter. 314 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,680 I don't he's a world champion. He'll be able to say that forever, 315 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,200 and this multi belt era that we live in, you'll be able to 316 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,839 say that forever. And I don't want to see him unkind because I know 317 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,880 his backstory, I know where he's come from, and I know the story 318 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,759 around his family and everything that's going on at the moment. So I don't 319 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,440 want to see him kind. But I didn't see a tremendous performance from Bill 320 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,440 and Smith. Sorry, but he did enough to win, which is what 321 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,119 you're saying without saying he did enough to win. And Dan was more in 322 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,079 the criticism of o'cole on what was the strategy and what was the game plan 323 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,119 beyond just try to land the haymaker right and then if it doesn't land, 324 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:12,400 lean in and grab him, because my god, my god, it was 325 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:18,119 it was ten times, it was twenty times, David on land or not 326 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,039 with the right hand and grab him, hug him, mug him. And 327 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,119 one of our favorite topics of discussion, your referee McDonald, Marcus McDonald was 328 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,480 rightfully getting in between and warning him and penalizing him, and I thought, 329 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:36,759 maybe even contemplating disqualifying him enough is enough with doing it dance dance thing was 330 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:41,079 disappointment on there doesn't seem to be a real plan here and didn't seem I 331 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:47,000 too, was our two was very very disappointed with the COLEI but not entirely 332 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:55,400 surprised either. I think he has been I think he is u a real 333 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:02,039 curious sagg of a fight to people talk about Si and his length, a 334 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,640 curus away at six foot five. He looks like someone who's waiting to go 335 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,880 to heavyweight. But I think his footwork is awful. Maybe I'm not the 336 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,799 best judge. I think he crosses over his feet. I think he leaves 337 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,240 his back foot behind. I think he's messy. I think he tries to 338 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,640 It's like a thought strikes him that he needs to, Oh, I need 339 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,079 to move my feet, I need to dance a bit more like I'm pretending 340 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,680 to be something I'm not. Just I just think he's all over the place. 341 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:37,480 He's like a confection of confidence and self doubt, of styles of just 342 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,039 I mean, there were times when he looked like, right, he's going 343 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,039 to turn it on. There, he's going to knock this guy out because 344 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:48,480 he's realized he's just lost three points in two rounds. Yet didn't seem particularly 345 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,720 dazed. I know you felt one of the knockdowns was pretty severe, But 346 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,400 to me, I thought him while we're on the point. I thought him 347 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,839 at fourth round he was in trouble and Bildham Smith is maybe a little more 348 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,680 skilled like you're alluding to, or skilled fighter might have had hymn of there. 349 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,079 I just I just found someone so disorganized. He's almost tripping over his 350 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,759 own legs. I mean one of the knocks that were scored, I think 351 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:14,119 the one you referred to as contentious was he was kind of leaning forward, 352 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,400 stumbling and just trying to hold on because that's what he does to anything he 353 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,240 could grab him. Before he knew it, he was holding onto his shins 354 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,799 and his calves and how did I get down here? I know I'm holding 355 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,119 something, but it's just it might as well have been a ring poster. 356 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:33,400 It just awful, awful, And the most lucrative fight for Bill and Smith 357 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,200 is probably the rematch at some London venue, I guess, and he'd probably 358 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,799 be wise to take it, subject to who else is around a cruise aweight, 359 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,319 But and Nacholie might come out and be completely different in a rematch. 360 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,839 I mean people comparing to Henry Ack and Wandy BlimE me, Herry Hack and 361 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:55,559 Wandy was fighting Lennox Lewis. Let's know that he's choke and cheese and just 362 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,799 yeah, bewildered, to be honest, bewildered. And I know the scoring 363 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,119 is your voice went even higher than Steve bums Is at one point talking about 364 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,519 the scoring, and night I got a little I got a little animated, 365 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,240 because again we got an American judge that couldn't figure it out. And then 366 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:11,680 Rayfiels sending me the scorecards off the air, and I'm like, Rayfield, 367 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,000 the scorecards don't make sense when you look at them, because a couple of 368 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,880 the judges your your referee judge slat referee slash judge, Bob Williams from the 369 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,880 UK, he got it right with his math, but the American judge looked 370 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,119 like something out of grade school over here with trying to figure out the cards. 371 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,680 So it was not it was not good. But the right guy won, 372 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,119 I thought, Bill him, I imagine if you're sitting here, imagine 373 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,680 if you're sitting here and swim out, that's a draw. Yes, because 374 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:45,200 and and and I'm sorry on Benjamin Rodriguez's card, He's got it. Eight 375 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,160 rounds for Oro Coley. Oh Coley did not win eight rounds of that fight, 376 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,920 even even tactically, much less with the points off, the point deductions 377 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,759 and the knockdowns. He didn't win eight rounds. So that was that was 378 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,200 interesting to me. And I'm curious about the rematch um as well. And 379 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,000 maybe we will see that by the fall again, and who knows, I 380 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,039 mean, who knows, maybe he'll Coley knocks him out in the rematch, 381 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,039 but Billiam Smith had a really bad cook to me, so that's going to 382 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,400 take some time to heal before he can train Inspire again, and he needs 383 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,440 to digest what he's just done a guest to some extent, and they'll need 384 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,559 to negotiate where that rematch is going to be a Collie has sold tickets in 385 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,279 London, but he's not a fun favorite and he's not a TV fighter, 386 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,880 and Saturday didn't do a great deal to improve that kind of there's a morbid 387 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,440 curiosity almost now, I would think, rather than he genuine interesting seeing him 388 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,519 fight again. I think, I commented on Twitter, if I've never seen 389 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:44,640 him fight again, it maybe too soon at least. But sometimes you're telling 390 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,279 the truth. At least they don't refer to us. I don't think as 391 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:51,039 a morbid curiosity for listening to us here as part of the Big Fight Weekend 392 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,920 podcast feed, and we're recapping the weekend with David Payne. All right, 393 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,319 let's get to the main entree here. Now, enough enough with the advertisers. 394 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,640 So Raphael went roll in, as I like to say, head first 395 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,759 off the high dive into the deep end. He says Rocky three not only 396 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,720 the best of the Rocky series, but the best boxing movement movie of all 397 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,240 time, best of all time, best boxing movie of all time, and 398 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,359 the first ten minutes the best opening to any movie ever. I mean, 399 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,640 there's hyperbole, and then there's my man Rayfield just going bonkers with all of 400 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,240 this. All right, where do you come down on the stallone boxing movie 401 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,440 series and where Rocky three belongs and where does it belong amongst other boxing movies, 402 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,000 whether you're talking Raging Bull like he mentioned, he mentioned the Contender or 403 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,119 I'm sorry, Cinderella Man he mentioned with Russell Crowe, which is fantastic, 404 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:47,640 which is based on the historically really bad about Max Buyer, isn't it well? 405 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,839 Right? And and again based on I don't like you for that reason? 406 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720 But I understand, well, we didn't even we didn't even get into 407 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,920 the two thousand and four, the year before Cinderella Man, the Hillary Swank 408 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,160 film Million Dollar Baby with Clint Eastwood and Morgan Freeman and Hillary Swink which one 409 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:11,240 Best Picture, which Hillary Swink one for Best Actress. That's a phenomenal boxing 410 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,519 film, all right. With all of that being said, where do you 411 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,400 come down on Rocky in the series and the claim that it's the best boxing 412 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,519 movie ever of any of them? What say you boxing? Right? Okay, 413 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,559 all right, Well it's pretty loaded now, isn't it. But I 414 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:33,720 think I can't depart from the wider consensus that Rocky ones the best of them 415 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,880 that were Rocky thank you? Yeah, the first film sanity restored, however, 416 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,079 to just to put some splinters in my backside from the fence between you 417 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:49,839 two heavyweights, I'll I will also say that I think to some extent there's 418 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,799 a little bit of depends on your age when you saw the one in the 419 00:29:53,839 --> 00:30:02,400 cinema. So your couple of years you've two old me perhaps, and you 420 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:04,319 have memories are going to sit on. Dan has memories of going to see 421 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,359 Rocky three at cinema. I don't, but I do going to see Rocky 422 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:12,640 four at cinema, and I remember that being a major event in my life. 423 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,640 I remember hearing about it from people who've seen it before me, who 424 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,279 virtually quoted the whole thing to me, page for pages. It was shot 425 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:25,160 by shot, so Rocky was a big one. But we had disappeared a 426 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,799 little bit into Schmoltz by then, hadn't we It was one long training montage. 427 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:34,000 Rocky three is very good, and Dan made a bloody compelling case today. 428 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,599 To be honest, there are some brilliant bits in that, and mister 429 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:44,599 T is absolutely fantastic as some sort of off the scale Joe Fraser or whatever 430 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,039 he was kind of the number of his idea of his character was coming from. 431 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,559 But have you ever heard the story of Housetallone discovered him? How he 432 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,000 was actually discovered for television. He had been what we call a bouncer or 433 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:03,599 an enforcer at night clubs, at dance clubs, and he competed in a 434 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,200 reality show. This is forty plus years ago of reality TV, where a 435 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:12,920 television network here, NBC television network, very famous, very prominent, was 436 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,920 doing a series of different competitions and they did a segment America's Toughest Bouncer and 437 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:26,920 mister T m Chicago was one of those people. And Stallone is watching the 438 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,240 show. This is at the time he's filming Rocky two, and it filmed 439 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,839 Rocky two and they put Rocky two out and he calls the head of NBC 440 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,319 the network and says, how do I find the guy quote with the mohawk, 441 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920 the haircut, how do I find him? Because they were toiling with 442 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,319 who could be the villain In the third one, they actually were toying with 443 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:55,200 Ernie Shavers believe it about the Acorn, and I read some on this didn't 444 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,920 know it that they just did not feel like Shavers could pull it off because 445 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,720 the voice was too high pitched. He didn't come off as as being a 446 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,680 villain voice, and mister T could play that off with prediction, pain, 447 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:12,640 all the different things that he was saying, the feather earrings that you know 448 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:19,079 everything. Obviously there's probably in the background in somewhere in still loans, subconscious 449 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,920 and christ I'm reaching now, aren't I? But the Shavers to mister T, 450 00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:28,319 there's probably the Haggler in the back of his mind as the ultimate bad 451 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,079 guy at that time, and so distinctive the way that he looked, so 452 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:37,039 that probably informed the Acorn as a possible And then from there you make a 453 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,480 leak to to mister T, who, as you say, made a TV 454 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,880 career out of it as well, and was absolutely fabulous in that film. 455 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,880 I mean, what a character and what what what performance he gave for a 456 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,759 debut in what order do you put Raging ball with Lamata, Cinderella Man, 457 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Million Dollar Baby, and maybe you even like some of the other nostalgia from 458 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,599 somebody somebody up there likes me. Yeah, that's in the black and white. 459 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,480 I know we're going away with it. That's a black and white. 460 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,880 But what are you what You haven't even mentioned Dickstown yet, Diggstown. Yes, 461 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,960 we're not gonna. We're not gonna say, play it to the Bone 462 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:21,480 with Woody Harrelson and Antonio banderas the Great White, the Great White hype. 463 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,200 There's a colony from the nineties. Yeah, Dickstown, of course was called 464 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,279 Midnight Sting I believe over here. Okay, Yeah, I enjoyed the absurdity 465 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,319 of that film. But there were some great lines in that too, obviously, 466 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,039 James Wood and Lucas Junior from Correct Yes, yeah, I don't know 467 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:45,440 where I placed Rookie in the pantheon of boxing movies. Um, Raging Bullies 468 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,680 a difficult watch. Um, Jay Lamottter was a difficult man. Um. 469 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,400 That's probably the kindest presentation of his of his history you can have. So 470 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,039 sometimes it's hard to love something that's so difficult, And I think that's why 471 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:06,000 there's so much passion and love for the Rookie series, and then because he 472 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,320 was the the underdog, so we love him, don't we. M So 473 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,960 he's probably it would be hard, and certainly in terms of influence and impact 474 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,440 the number of fighters even now, but certainly of of of me growing up 475 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,000 getting involved in boxing. In the late nineties two thousands, they were still 476 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:28,840 referring to the Rocky so he'd look at the back of the boxing magazines or 477 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,440 who's year here, or that they wouldn't sometimes say Rocky as their inspiration as 478 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,880 to why they put pair of gloves on a wild buster. Douglas upset of 479 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Mike Tyson on the cover of the famous Sports illustrated in the US says Rocky 480 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:45,880 lives. That's the cover. Didn't mention Douglas's name, didn't mention Tyson's name. 481 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,360 I know exactly. I mean, he's it's a creation, but one 482 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,079 of the most famous fighters of all time, if that's if that's a possible 483 00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:00,639 kind of oxymoron, But yeah, it's um You're not not sure burns the 484 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,519 right word either, but you'll forgive me. It's light here, but you 485 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,000 know what I mean. The funny he is just a cartoon creation in a 486 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,760 way. But and yet I had such an influence and impact. And I'm 487 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,960 sure those those trains that the music is still played in gyms. I'm sure 488 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:20,039 absolutely it's Yeah, it's unending. And obviously the creation I was in the 489 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,960 car. I was in the car earlier today before you and I have spoken, 490 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,239 and I'm turning radio stations. I'm talking to somebody on the phone on 491 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,840 the bluetooth, driving safely, hang that up. I'm turning radio stations, 492 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,719 and I have the Tiger came on, and that obviously begins the third movie, 493 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:39,960 and it's synonymous with that movie and the whole eye of the Tiger mantra 494 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:45,880 from Apollo Creed. So there's just you know, there's not going to be 495 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,360 an image of you and me in the high socks running down the beach and 496 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,360 jumping up and down and hugging. And Raphael got that image in my head 497 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,679 as well. We're not ever going to do that like Rocky and Apollo did 498 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,119 there. I don't think we look as quite as good in the vests. 499 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,079 T J. You have to give me a few week's notice. At least 500 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,400 you call them this. We call them like tank tops or muscle shirts or 501 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,719 arm shirt. Yes, I don't know. I don't think I belong in 502 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,000 that either, probably not in that category. All right, listen, great 503 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,920 stuff here Again. We encourage you to find David at the Boxing Writer on 504 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:20,440 social media on Twitter at the Boxing Writer, also boxing writer dot co dot 505 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:23,760 uk. Did we leave anything out? Anything else or are we good here? 506 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,679 In the just one last last comment and he did cover this too, 507 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,159 but I think of great deal. Congratulations to Terry Harper for her performance at 508 00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,400 the weekend to have gone from fighting one of the biggest names in women's box 509 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,519 in history the week before, getting colder from the morning of the fight, 510 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:47,159 and she stays focused enough to beat a very good replacement handily and sets herself 511 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,480 up hopefully some big fights in the future. She tends to go under the 512 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,039 radar a little bit, Terry from up and don't cast to my hometown. 513 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:59,960 I'm getting all the references in today, but she's developed incredibly under stephy Ball 514 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:05,000 deserves a huge amount of credit for keeping it together and not throwing out whoever 515 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,320 it was put in front of it, and not wanting to do it and 516 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,559 waiting for that bractas fight. So credit to her. Someone else was willing 517 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:15,119 to make a sacrifice to keep a fight on and keep the show moving alone, 518 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:16,679 So I'll just throw that in at the end. But thanks for inviting 519 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,239 me always, TJ. Good to talk to you, and hopefully sometime soon 520 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,039 we'll talk to you about a Tyson Fury opponent. If that ever materializes. 521 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:28,880 Before our children are out of the house and have given us grand babies, 522 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,000 will find it's only a matter of time before one of us gets called out. 523 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:35,119 I mean, I'm happy to sign a contract for a lot less than 524 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,920 most papers. We'll see when he's back. We'll see if Usk and Dubois 525 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,719 happens later in the summer. I always love the inside of the boxing writer. 526 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,599 Thank you, David Payne. Our pleasure, and we thank you for 527 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:52,079 listening a special bonus edition of the Fight Preach United recap podcast. Followers subscribe 528 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,519 Google podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get those as where you're 529 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,519 rock along now into the month of June. David was great to be with 530 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,400 me. I'm merely TJ. Reeves Dan back with me in the preview mode 531 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,960 later this week on this podcast feed. For now, we're good bye.