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First, thank you, Thank you. Welcome to podcast joint host Hoho as

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he discusses the rinting Netflix original series
Black Mirror. Now Here, he is

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thank you for broadcasting from the Cottage
Studio. Welcome to Black Mirror Podcast.

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As always, I'm your host,
ho Ho. Hey, y'all's doing it.

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I hope you're doing good. I
really do. Today we are revisiting

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season five, episode one, titled
Striking Vibers. Oh yeah, Now look,

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first things first and second, say
things second. We're gonna go ahead

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and get this right out of the
way immediately, all right, So warning

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spoiler alert. We are we're going
to be talking about the episodes, So

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if you have yet to see it, I highly recommend check it out.

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Even even if you've watched it before, watch it again. It's worth it.

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Boy howdy is it ever excellent episode. It's definitely one of them episodes

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that if you allow yourself to just
kind of dive into it. Who man,

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is one of them episodes? Boy
howdy is it ever? Second?

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Thing, second, this episode is
not for children, like, not even

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close, not even at all.
I'm assuming you've watched the episode so you

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know it's it's not it's it's it's
not made for kids. Okay, it's

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not. It's not made for children
at all. So definitely, you know,

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listen to the episode, screen it
before you allow the children to partake,

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you know, be the judge on
that one. You know, I'm

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going to keep the language as you
know, PC as I can. Okay,

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But that's not the problem. The
problem is just the subject matter in

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general. Okay. What we're going
to be talking about is just not for

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kids, man, I'm telling you. I mean, come on, you've

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you've seen you've seen the episode.
This is not for kids, you know,

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not even a little bit. I'm
not going to lie now. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's just it's just not
for kids. Okay. Now here's

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another thing too, Okay. I
don't get political on this show, like

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at all. You know, don't
really do politics. And with the exception

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of talking about you know, more
or less the eternal Soul on some episodes,

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like with San Junipero, when it
is relevant because it comes up in

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the episode itself. I don't do
religion either. That being said, I'm

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not talking and either one of those
okay, not talking politics, not talking

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religion. But it's still an aspect
of exploring the psyche. I guess you

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can say, you know, and
it is going to be a topic that

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has been politicized, but I'm not
taking it political. Okay, you'll you'll

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understand. You'll understand. So let's
just go ahead and I guess get into

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the episode. All right, this
is an awesome episode, it really is.

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Okay, now, okay, So
Striking Vipers is a next level video

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game, all right, very reminiscent
of oh, let's say, like Mortal

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Kombat. Okay, that's really what
it reminds me of. I mean,

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you can even say a little bit
of you know, like street Fighter,

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but the direction that the kind of
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the game graphics and whatnot. To
me, it reminds me more of you

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know, uh, Mortal Kombat.
I mean that's just to me. I

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guess character wise, you can you
can really say street Fighter, but I

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mean it's just like the graphics wise, you know, the the fight,

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the you know, the whatnot.
I mean it's kind of reminiscent of you

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know, either way you look at
it, all right, input your game,

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street Fighter, Mortal Kombat. You
know, really it doesn't matter either

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way. It's it's very reminiscent of
that now, the the game company,

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and I wondered about this, you
know, not that well before I was

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watching the episode, and I was
curious about something because I was really trying

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to see you know, the U
you know, the the company that made

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the game. You know, I
was looking for that somewhere because what I

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was curious about. Now, do
y'all's remember back to um, I'm what

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to say? It was season three. Let me let me scroll back to

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yes season three, episode two titled
Playtest you know, where the guy whom

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is in a foreign country, he's
you know, discovering himself what have you,

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goes broke. I don't remember the
particulars on that one, but he

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ends up going to a you know, a tech company where they are demoing

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games, and he is testing a
game and he ends up dying because of

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it. And my question is because
it's it kind of reminds me at least

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in some way, shape or form
of that one. So I was kind

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of wondering if in this episode,
since we have found out from the Black

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Museum that this is all taking place
in the same you know universe, so

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to speak, the Black Mirror universe. So it made me wonder if in

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fact, this is the same company, you know, the developers, the

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game developers from play test if that
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So let's get into this though,
because you know, like I said,

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I mean, this is you know, gaming at a whole new level.

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It really is. You know,
it's not virtual reality, it's not

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augmented reality. You know, if
this is a lot like Uss Calister,

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where you put on that little doo
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you are completely immersed into the game, you know, that uplink between your

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mind and the computer itself. Absolutely
amazing gameplay to a whole another level.

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And why that's important is because in
this game, you know, you're not

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you, okay, you are the
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one of the first days that we
find out in this is that it is

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completely immersive. Okay, all of
your physical sensations translate from your digital game

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gamers self. You feel it,
you know, like it's really going on.

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You know that sensory reception, receptors, whatever you want to say,

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it's it's there. You know,
like WHOA totally totally cool And I thought,

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like, dude, next generation gameplay. So first things first before we

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get any further. I mean,
dude, wouldn't this just be the way

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to go? Okay? I mean, wow, I've done some you know

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video games, you know, with
with VR. Okay, different games where

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you are you know, like like
like Jump Scared type of stuff. Tell

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me, can you imagine playing some
of those games, you know, like

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a horror game in like, you
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wouldn't that be absolutely Like, dude, you want to talk about some next

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level gaming, you know, take
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Let's say you're you know, like
Call of Duty, you know, something

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like that. Let's take it a
different direction. Okay, I've got a

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you know, flight simulator, you
know, doing that kind of stuff to

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where you are actually flying as you
would be an airplane. Anything, any

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type of situation, combat situation,
you know, hauling rubble, rubber dog,

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turns out of Tokyo or whatever the
heck he says in Top Gun I

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don't remember, you know, but
wouldn't that just be awesome? I mean,

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can you imagine? I mean,
do you want to talk about getting

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lost in a game? I mean, you know, I think that playing

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Assassin's Creed sometimes, like like dude, I've I've lost you know me,

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okay me, I'm I'm a d
D. Guys, I ain't gonna lie

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to tell you. I'm a d
D. All right, um diagnosed whenever

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I was in junior high. I
am not medicated on it whatsoever. I

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just try my absolute best to deal
with it and function as close to a

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normal adult as I possibly can.
Sometimes I fail, sometimes I succeed.

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You know. That's just one of
them things, you know. I'm follow

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the dopamine. That's what we do, you know, add that's what we

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do. We follow the dopamine,
you know. And I've lost time.

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I was I'm spending the night over
buddies house one night, and I was

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playing, Oh what game was this? Im portal actually on the on the

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Xbox. Awesome game, you know, very very fun. It's a puzzle

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game. I couldn't tell you what
time I started playing this game, but

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I M hyper hyper focus. I
beat the game in a single sitting one

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night. Thank god. It's not
a a terribly hard game and doesn't take

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a terribly long time to play,
because it was probably every bit of six

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hours that I sat there, if
not just a little bit more playing that

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game trying to get it through it
is like, you know, take that

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and to put it into you know, Assassin's screen, call a Duty,

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you know, Skyrim, you know, name your game that you would want

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that total immersive experience, and just
do you want to talk about losing time,

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losing hours, losing days? Man? I mean, I couldn't even

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imagine, you know. I mean, you'd have to have something on here

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to be like, dude, look, you've been in this thing for you

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know, three hours. You just
got to you gotta take a break,

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you know. And you would hope
that they would fill that kind of stuff

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in there, wasn't you. I
mean I would I'd hope that they would

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definitely throw at least some kind of
safeguards in there to keep people from just

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going nuts, you know. I
mean you'd have to have that, you

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know. But this sucker takes it, you know, this episode takes it

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there. But different, okay,
different, all right, So let's let's

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set the stage a little bit.
All right. You got a couple of

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friends. You know, they've been
friends from what it looks like for quite

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a while. You know, friends
in high school, friends in college,

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whatever the case may be. They
are friends okay, and they you know,

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one of the things that they have
is friends is playing this game Strike

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Striking Vipers. That's what they do. They beat the crap out of each

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other in this game. And each
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you know, a character that they
use and they are great at this character.

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And I understand that, dude,
because I've got you know, I've

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played several Mortal Kombats, you know, throughout the years. One of them.

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You know, there's a few characters
that I just I got down.

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You know that you ain't. You
ain't beating me, you know, and

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primarily too. You know. It's
like if I got one, if if

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you can beat me with this one, you ain't beating me with the other

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one. If you can beat me
with that one, you ain't beating me

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with the first, you know,
one or the other I got you.

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I've got two characters, you know, two two guys that I've just completely

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mastered. You ain't beating me.
Now, you might be able to beat

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me, but with the people that
I've played with, and and you know,

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just you ain't beating me. You
know, I don't do that whole

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online thing. I ain't got enough
for that crap. You know, them

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kids could wipe the floor with me. And that's just all theres too.

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You know, I'm good. I
ain't that good. I'm just just throwing

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that out there, you know.
But that's what they have. That's what

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these two friends have is this game
striking vipers. And then it goes to

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you know, you got the main
guy and his you know, his wife.

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They've got a kid and you know
they're working on having another kid.

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And you know it's it's you've got, you know, one guy that's kind

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of living the playboy life, and
you've got another guy that's, you know,

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living the married life. You know, things didn't quite pan out quite

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the way he wanted it too,
got a little bit of regrets going on.

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Nothing real major. I mean it's
not you know, life changing stuff.

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It's just you know, he's wanting
a little something something, you know,

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nothing major. He just wanting a
little something something, you know,

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something too. A firm whom he
is, I guess I don't know.

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I mean I'm not explaining that one
very good. So they get into this

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game. You know, well,
okay, the playboy, you know,

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the guy that's just living life,
you know, stayed single. This whole

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entire time, well not stayed singing
the whole entire time, but you know,

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it is single now, kids know
nothing. And he gets his buddy

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that's married with a kid and and
wife wanting to have another one. He

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gets him this game Striking Vipers X, I think is what it's called.

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I don't know, but it's the
it's the it's it's the Mad Cow edition.

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Is the addition that that that the
total immersive game play. It's that

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version gets him that goes into the
game. They're fighting around, they're duking

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it out, they're having fun.
They got their characters they're utilizing him.

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One guy is a guy. The
other guy is this hot Chinese chick.

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Now you know both of them.
You know, they they're pretty good looking.

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I just ain't gonna ain't gonna lie. You know, both of them

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are I think their Asian. Yeah, I think they ain't their Asian,

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both of them. You know.
So now this is this is where it

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gets a little weird. You know. After round two, Um, well,

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they kind of take it from fighting
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what I mean, you know,
not not to that kind of fighting.

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They take it to the other kind
of fighting, you know, the kind

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of fighting that adults do in the
privacy of their own bedroom. You know,

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that's the kind of fighting they start
doing. And it's like weird because

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you got, you know, one
guy and then another guy, and neither

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one of them or of the homosexual
persuasion, neither one of them are but

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in this game, they're exploring their
options. Yeah, and this goes on,

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this goes on, and then you
know, as as some of these

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things end up happening, and you
know it, it uh, it becomes

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addictive and it starts interfering. You
know, the married gayfer what the heck

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is his name? Let me let
me scroll on down to it, because

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you know, one of him is
Carl, you know, the friend that

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you know, the the no attachments, ain't gotta you know, ain't gotta.

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Well he's got he's got a girlfriend, but nothing serious, you know,

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so Carl. And then the other
guy's name, what's it? What's

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his name? Danny? That's it, that's it. The main guy who's

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married, his name is Danny.
Now Danny, you know he's like,

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you know, no, I got
a wife. I need to you know,

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this is too close to cheating.
I can't you know this ain't this

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ain't right? You know, he's
having a moral dilemma going on, you

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know, And and Carl His is
more like, like, dude, it

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ain't you know, this is unique, this is special. You know,

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I want to keep doing this because
ain't nothing feel right now, you know.

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And this is after you know,
doing this for a while. And

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with Danny, you know, the
guy who's who's married with a kid another

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one coming on the way, you
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it's you know, like I said, it's interfering with his life. It's

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interfering with his personal life. It's
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And so he's got a real dilemma
going on, you know. And Carl's

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just like, look, it's different. Why you letting us interfere. Shouldn't

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be letting us interfere. But because
he's having such a weird experience with this,

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you know, Danny is like,
dude, we can't be doing this.

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So next thing, you know,
they get into a fight. After

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the next year, okay, they
have like was that like seven months maybe

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it was eleven months now, it
was like seven months maybe between the last

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time they game played to Danny's next
birthday and they have a knockout, drag

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out type of thing, you know, and it's like Carl says something to

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Danny that Carl probably shouldn't have said, you know, the whole I love

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you. And so Danny's like,
all right, look, we got to

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figure this out. Is this a
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a game play thing? Neither one
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sleep at night if we don't figure
out what the heck's going on between the

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two of us. We gotta know, you know. So so they go

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to a dark alley in the middle
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you know, they figure it out. Is this a you and me

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thing? Or is this a game
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it's a gameplay thing. But Carl
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Carl wants to continue to do it, and Danny really, you know,

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at this point, he sees the
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He sees the damage is doing in
that relationship, and he feels bad because

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he's going behind his wife's back to
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Knocked down and drag out fight.
The wife goes to bail out Danny,

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what's going on? You best tell
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So apparently Danny spills the beans.
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it's one of the things that is
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know, a year later after that, they have tried and successfully had a

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second child, and it's it's Danny's
birthday again, and instead of any extravagant

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gift, they exchange a small package. Danny gets his wife a small package.

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Danny's wife gets gives him a small
package. And Danny's package that he

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got from his wife was the video
game Striking Vipers. He come to find

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out that, you know, Danny
and Carl both have that date, June

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fourteenth, I think is what it
was marked off on their calendar. That

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is their day or their night,
I guess I should say. And then

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you see that Danny's wife's gift was
basically an empty box. She put her

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wedding ring in it, and then
she goes out to the bar to meet

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some strangers. She gets a hall
pass, if you will. Interesting.

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Interesting, Now here's the thing.
Okay, now look look, look loquick

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now we're going to get into some
some stuff with this one. All right,

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We're going to get into some stuff. Now. Look, all right,

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Normally I try to keep these episodes
around thirty minutes. I ain't gonna

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guarantee nothing on this one because we
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This is where this is getting interesting, because we're getting into some psychological

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stuff with it. Okay, we're
getting into a little bit more with this

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one. Okay, we're diving a
little bit different of a direction than what

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than what I usually go with this. Okay, Now, look, I'm

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secure in my manhood, you know
my sexuality. I'm secure. I know

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who I am. I know what
I want. I know. It's not

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a question, it's an answer.
I know, I know where, I

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know where I stand on things.
Okay, but let me tell you something

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that this now, hmm, this
would be hard. I ain't gonna lie

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this. This would be hard because
this isn't about just two people. This

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is about to avatars, right,
you know, I mean it's not you

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physically, you know. I mean, yeah, you're getting all the physical

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sensation of what's going on, but
it's not your body. Okay. Okay,

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Now, look, buddy of mine
and me, we went to you

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know, the one of the local
Chinese restaurants in our hometown called QQ China.

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Amazing place. I love it.
It's under different ownership right now.

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They do a fantastic job too,
don't get me wrong. But you know

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we we were a QQ China all
right, and at the end of our

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meal, we got the you know, the customary fortune cookie. All right.

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He opened up his, I opened
up mine, and I'll be a

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son of a gun. We got
the same stink and fortune, all right,

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same fortune in our fortune cookie,
not different. It was the same

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one. Now, y'alls have seen
Freaky Friday, right, I not only

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have seen the you know, the
remake with Lindsay lohand and oh what's her

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name, Jamie Lee Curtis, I've
seen the original. Okay, good show,

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good movie, awesome movie. So
I'm over at another buddy's house,

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and this is like two o'clock in
the morning, right, two o'clock in

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the morning. Maybe it was three, I don't remember. It was late

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or it was early, however the
case may be. Whichever way you want

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to look at it. It was
and I was talking with him, and

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you know, that movie popped into
my head with talking to them about you

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know, us getting the same fortune
now that that other guy that I was

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with was was Brandon hosted the Machine
radio show, co owner of Weaponized Law

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Productions. Y'alls know who he is. I've talked about and before. Brandon

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is the one that was with me. So I called him. You know,

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I'm talking and I'm like, you
know, I'll talk with my other

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buddy, and I'm like, you
know, I couldn't, you know,

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so freaky Friday. You know,
our consciousness switches bodies. I couldn't do

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nothing with his wife. I just
I couldn't do it. I couldn't do

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it. You know. It's like
that's just not isn't This is not going

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to happen, you know. But
however, you know, I you know,

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a little um self exploration. You
know, we're going to go where

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no man has gone before. You
know. I was like, well,

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I'm not against that that prospect,
you know, that's that's not I can

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do that, all right, you
know. But but then I was like,

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wait a second. You know,
that's that's that's not my equipment.

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You know that that's like borrowing another
man's tools. You just don't do that

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in some cases. And I was
kind of curious if this was one of

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them cases. I mean, granted, you know, I'm the one with

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the sensory reception perception going on,
you know, but is that you know,

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I don't know is this acceptable?
So I called him up two three

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o'clock in the morning. I'm like
hey. He goes, hey, I

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woke him up. I'm like,
hey, I got I got an important

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questioned to ask you, and you
know this, this can't wait. He

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goes, Okay, what's what's up? You know, welcome up a little

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bit. I go, okay,
now, uh we went to QQ you

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know yesterday. He's like a huh, we got the same fortune cookies.

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I'm following you, freaky Friday.
You have my attention. And I go

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I couldn't do nothing with your wife, but self exploration? Is that?

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Is that acceptable? He goes,
oh, heck yeah, I'll be beating

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yours like an obi money. I'm
like, all right, cool. We

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hung up. We were on the
same page. Okay, cool. You

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know, same type of thing goes
here, you know, And I mean

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think about this. It's like,
you know, all the exploration you can

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have, you know, without the
actual body aspect of it, you know,

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and with Carl's experience, this is
this is the part that I got

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it. I got admit, this
is the part that was like I wonder,

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you know, because all right,
think about this, think about this.

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There was a movie I watched a
while back ago. I couldn't tell

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you what it was. I couldn't
really tell you much of anything about it

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other than the fact was, you
know, one of the things was and

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I know they actually explored this in
Black Museum. You know, the guy

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that with the you know, getting
the emotion and the physical contact from that

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implant that he had, you know
that that was put in his head,

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you know, get getting that thing
from it, all right, And he

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used it in the bedroom in an
intimacy, all right. He used it

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in the bedroom intimacy, getting the
sensation not just from him and what he

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was feeling, but from her and
what she was feeling at the same time.

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Now, the movie that I've seen
took this in a very weird,

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morbid and dark place because this was
a serial killer that you know, was

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was doing this, and um,
well you can use your imagination. Okay,

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it was a bad deal, but
it's still an aspect of it.

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Gets thinking. You know, now
this is where I'm getting into the the

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I mean, we we've gone right
beyond you know, normal, this strange

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stuff, all right, I'm just
just just strange stuff. But you know,

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here's the thing now, this is
where I'm not bringing politics into it.

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This is a psychological type of a
thing. This is a exploration kind

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of thing. Okay, this is
where this gets interesting. So think about

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it. Gender dysphoria, you follow
me, Are you really trapped in the

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wrong body, whether it be a
male trapped in a woman's body or vice

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versa, you know, whichever the
case may be, this would be a

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means by which to explore your sexuality
in one body or another and not have

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to worry about the physical damage and
doing gender reassignment surgery. Is this a

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real thing or is this just a
phase? You could answer that type of

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a question safely without having an irreversible
surgery. Beyond that, just a curiosity

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that a woman may have, wanting
to feel what a man experiences and vicey

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verse. I mean that right there
is just like, huh, have you

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ever wondered? You know, now, Carl, is like, I've never

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felt anything like this at all.
It feels more, it feels different,

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It's unbelievable. Huh. Could huh
and just you hm, dangerous, dangerous.

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I mean, like, you know, talk about getting lost in something.

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You know, talk man, talk
about getting lost and something. And

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that was a problem that Carl had. You know, Carl got lost in

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this. It became you know what
he focused on. He couldn't think about

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nothing else. I mean, dude, whoa this episode? I'm telling you,

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this is one of them episodes.
Like like dude, like I said,

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man, I know, I know
who I am, I know what

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I want. But that type of
a thing, well, that'd be interesting.

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I don't I don't know how I
would do on trying to not just

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explore period, you know. I
mean, like, dude, morality aside,

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okay, that's that's the thing,
you know. And and morality aside

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on this, okay, just the
sheer joy of exploration, whatever that looks

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like to you. That's just her
morality aside, religion aside of me.

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Because because mind you, this is
this is video game stuff. I'm like,

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we've all played, you know,
Mortal Kombat, We've all played Call

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of Duty, We've all played you
know, uh, Grand Theft Auto.

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I mean we've done stuff in that
video game that you would never do in

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real life. You know, sant
Andreas. You know you're going to the

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cop shop the shower room and get
the double headed purple dildo and to start

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beating hookers with it. I mean, come on, it doesn't get any

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funner than that. But you ain't
gonna do that in real life. Just

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saying you ain't gonna you ain't gonna
do that in real life. I'm just

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saying, you know, being able
to express yourself in a controlled, safe

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environment, express yourself, explore you
your sexuality, your you know, your

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creativity, you know, artistic whatever. I mean, like, just imagine

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the things that you can do it
just whoa different you know, professions,

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jobs, whatever, in the safety
of your home. Still being able to

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experiencing it as though you're still there, and you know, a next level

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kind of a thing because you don't
even have to be you when you're doing

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it. Holy cow, that's awesome. Are you kidding me? I can

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climb mouth to ever, so I
can do it in Arnos Schwarzenegger's body whenever

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he was young and in charge,
or you know, just whomever. Pick

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your celebrity, you know, I
mean, dude, are you kidding me?

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That'd be amazing, that'd be so
cool, dude. Okay, you're

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interesting show. I mean, I'm
telling you all right. So here's the

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questions. All right, here's my
questions that I got to you. Here

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we go. You're ready, You're
ready. Think about your favorite a video

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game, okay, and then bring
that into the gameplay of Striking Vipers.

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You know, what would that game
be? What would that gameplay be?

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You know, whether we're talking Mortal
combat, whether we're talking a simulation type

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of a game, name it be
it, maybe we're talking movies. Who

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knows? Just did possibilities? Is
that something that you think you would enjoy

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doing. Do you think you would
have fun with it? Would you be

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able to put morality aside and explore
whatever the game would have to offer?

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Do you think that would be something
you could do. I'm like me,

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I mean, in all honesty,
you know I would. I would love

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to say that. Oh yeah,
I could absolutely do that, But like

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you know, I gotta I gotta
admit something. I don't know if I

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could. I'm just not that kind
of guy, you know. I mean,

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it would be difficult. I'd have
a hard time with it, but

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I don't I don't know if i'd
be able to just let go? You

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know, would would that be something
you'd be able to do? How much

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coach would it take for you to
be able to do that? I'm like

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it took Danny a little bit of
coaching. You know. Carl wasn't just

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able to jump right in there and
and do a little something something. No,

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it took a little bit. Would
you be able to jump into it

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or not? Would you just be
able to dive right into it and just,

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you know, let whatever happened happened. How do you think you'd handle

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that? Because I don't know,
man, I gotta be honest, I

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don't know, you know, I
just I don't know. I don't know.

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Morality aside, Oh, it'd be
fun. I mean it would be

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it'd be fun, no restriction,
no regret. I don't know. That's

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a hard one, man, I
mean that's a hard one. I don't

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know. Would that be something you
think you'd be able to do? Let

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me know if you are over on
Spriaker, let me know in the comments,

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because I am curious. I want
to know how you feel about this

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technology. I want to know how
you feel about this type of gameplay.

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Do you think you'd be able to
cut loose. Do you think you can

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do it? What would be your
ideal game? That's what I want to

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know. Your game, your scenario, what I mean, you know,

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just whatever you know, let me
you know. I mean, are you

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doing some type of you know,
an elder scroll or an Assassin's creed?

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Dude, Assassin's creed. That would
be so much fun. Oh dude,

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that would be fun. Anyway,
you know, let me know if you're

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over there on spriaker, let me
know, if you're over there on YouTube,

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let me know if you are on
some of the other myriad podcast locations.

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If you're over on Spotify or iHeartRadio
or Google Podcast, Apple Podcast,

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if you're on any one of those
locations, head on over to the show

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dot com. Get go, scroll
on down to the homepage that contact me

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session let me know there. Of
course, you can also email me ho

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Ho at the ho Ho show dot
com and let me know because now I'm

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curious. I want to know.
Huh. That's all I got for you

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guys today. Next episode, Now, no man, should I do Rachel,

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Jack and Ashley two? Because I
really was a good episode, it

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really was. But I'm also really
excited to get into season six. I

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really am. That's five episodes.
You know, I'm gonna go ahead and

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do it. I'm gonna ahead and
do it. We are going to go

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ahead and do Rachel, Jack and
Ashley two on the next episode that is

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season five, episode three, and
then after that we're going into season six.

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Man. I'm excited because I not
watched any of the episodes yet.

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I am waiting because I want to
finish this revisited before I get into it.

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All right, guys, that's all
I got. Y'alls have yourself a

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great one and I will see you
next time. Thank you for listening to

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the Black Mirror podcast. If you
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