WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:07.719 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jacon zalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:14.439 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions, katz 3 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:19.600 R two SAG and iHeartRadio Station Goo. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to 4 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.280 your Eye on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:29.800 I think we have Jacon Zellas on the line. I'm here between coughing 6 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:33.320 up a storm, but I'm here. Okay, so you've never sound better. 7 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:37.479 We'll see sEH. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, I 8 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.560 appreciate that. Don't make me laugh laugh he makes me cough. Okay, 9 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.399 okay, we don't want that. And then we got a great Sammy's back. 10 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:49.920 Sammy the prodigal Son has returned back. Yes, yeah, very cool. 11 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.240 We got Sammie back, We got Jay kind of back, and I'm 12 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:56.159 here. Uh, you know, so we got thirteen minutes. Anybody want 13 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.200 to call good luck? Five to two O four one six four? Do 14 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.079 you have We can do it. I think we can do Ready, we 15 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.000 have a couple of great guests coming in today. Who do we have Jay? 16 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:15.319 Well? We uh always an interesting conversation with Rachel Webb, the sports 17 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.879 psychologist in the U of A athletic department, just kind of, you know, 18 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.400 find out what's on the what's on the minds of some of these student 19 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:23.959 athletes with all the stuff that they've got to think about, right right, 20 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.879 We had around them a year or so ago, and a lot of fun. 21 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.400 She enjoyed our company, which is crazy, but she and she enjoyed 22 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:34.200 talking about all the things that go on psychologically with the kids, with the 23 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.280 students. So that'll be fun. And then in the second half, we 24 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.400 have an interview with Dustin Peace, just retired from the CEO coaching, so 25 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:47.599 we'll get the scoop on that. Yes, so now let you know, 26 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:53.400 arguably the two top programs or two of the top programs in two uh have 27 00:01:53.439 --> 00:02:01.439 your coaches next year South Point U DVE help me out the job, Eric 28 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:07.560 Rodgers, Eric Well. Eric Rodgers called it a day over there and he 29 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.599 was replaced by their defensive coordinator at Dustin Peace. Coming off of state championship, 30 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.879 he decided to call it a night. So it'd be interesting to find 31 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.080 out what was on his mind, right right, So we'll see what happens 32 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.400 with all that, and Okay, so I don't know if you you were 33 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.240 tired, you're sick, or whatever you're doing last night. But two big 34 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.960 games, two big upsets. In fact, Iowa State messed me on a 35 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.840 parlay and they beat the number one and number two teams for the first time 36 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.479 in forty years. Went down on the same night. Oh I did see 37 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:43.159 Purdue went down. I did not know that Houston also went down. Wow, 38 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.439 okay, top two. And now of course Arizona fans were rejoicing other 39 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:52.319 people's demise and it means nothing to Arizona. Well again, Stevid, it 40 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.479 just you know, for every arizon A fan who lost their minds when they 41 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:00.719 got beat by Stanford or when they got beat by fau even when they got 42 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.039 beat by by Purdue. In basketball, teams are going to lose. There's 43 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.719 thirty some games. You're not going to go undefeated. It's not going to 44 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.560 happen. So a team's gonna lose the game. What you do is you 45 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.560 pick it up and you go on to the next one, right, no 46 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.159 question, And it all matters in a couple of months. It's already going 47 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.599 to be a couple of months before we start going with the PAC twelve. 48 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:27.319 Uh, PAC twelve time tournament and then we get ready for the actual NCAA 49 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:30.439 tournament. So we're looking forward to that and only two months away. Right. 50 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.960 All that matters, Steve, All that matters is that you get your 51 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.639 stuff together, you figure out, you know, what went wrong, try 52 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.319 and fix that, and then just go win some more games and just win 53 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:44.520 enough to get the you know, some sort of a you know, the 54 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.039 high seed that you're looking for, because that's what you're playing for now. 55 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:52.639 It's almost like conference championships for a program like Arizona. Yeah, do fans 56 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:54.400 love winning the league? Of course? Do they love winning the tournament? 57 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:59.000 Of course they do because they're all there and it's more fun. But in 58 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.439 the end, what Arizona fan wants is to win a n c double A 59 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.680 tournament and you gotta, you know, you gotta get a good seed to 60 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:10.000 do that, right, right, And that's what necessarily go ahead, mister. 61 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.840 You want to know, you want to get a good seed to give 62 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.959 yourself a best shot. You don't have to have one, you want one. 63 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:26.120 Yeah, the championship against the nine. I agree, I agree. 64 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.680 Hey, you weren't on the show yesterday. You were taking your reds uh. 65 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.199 We didn't talk about, but I'll have both of you guys on the 66 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:40.199 beatdown that Michigan had in Washington to the game. We were off. We 67 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.519 were off, way off. We were way off. And you know, 68 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.759 I had to give in and say, Michigan, it was the best team 69 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:53.120 in the country, and they played like it. I didn't expect them. 70 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:59.040 What I what I didn't expect was to see Washington's offensive line get handled the 71 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:03.000 way they got handled. Chigan just obliterated him and they they they made Michael 72 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.680 Penix look bad. And uh, you know, people are gonna blame it 73 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.639 on Penis, but he had no time to throw and and you know, 74 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.600 we saw that happen with No Fla Fida, and happened with Jade Delora, 75 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.160 and happened with everybody else. If your line can't block your your quarterback skills 76 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.560 deteriorate quickly. And that's what happened. I still think Michael Penix was the 77 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:28.560 best player in the country, but Michigan made him ordinary by uh, you 78 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.360 know, by dominating the offensive line. And it's as simple as that. 79 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.000 When he had opportunities, he didn't capitalize. He threw over the he over 80 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.600 threw the ball a bunch of times. One was agreedious, you know, 81 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.920 way way open, and yeah, and if and if he connects with Rome 82 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.560 there, maybe they score, maybe they don't. Maybe he's downright in the 83 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.959 red zone and that game maybe has changed a little bit. But you just 84 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.759 saw his well. And when they played Texas you saw his mobility a little 85 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:00.519 bit. He was able to run for first downs, but they were able 86 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.439 to bottle him up inside the pocket and not let him run for first downs. 87 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:09.279 He just looked if you watched the full game, he looked uncomfortable from 88 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:14.279 the first snap, and that's what you had to do as Yeah, I 89 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.040 almost hate to use this sword. But you know, after after the first 90 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.600 few possessions, I think he got a little skittish and he was releasing, 91 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:24.600 you know, throwing the ball sooner than he was, sooner than they he 92 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.759 should have, and he just was out of sworts the whole time. Uncomfortable 93 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.959 maybe is a better word. But Michigan just Michigan did that. And then 94 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.639 on the other side, Michigan ran the hell out of the ball. So 95 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:40.079 they dominated the trenches and you know, we thought if they did that, 96 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.240 they were going to win the game. Whoever did that was going to win 97 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.839 the game. And that's exactly what happened. And and you know, Washington, 98 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:50.079 even though they stayed in striking distance, I never once Michigan scored those 99 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:53.879 first two touchdowns. I never thought Washington was going to win the game. 100 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.560 So let me ask you both. And I said this to uh to Kevin 101 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.360 yesterday. I felt really young, comfortable, and unfortunate for with with Pinis 102 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.399 at the end, near the final five minutes or so, when he was 103 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.800 still in the game and he was clearly suffered and clearly hurt, and they 104 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.560 still had him in the game. I'm thinking, either he's requesting this or 105 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:19.319 Washington's kind of overstepping his health because he look bad. I'd like to think 106 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:23.639 that Pennick said, I want to I want to stay in there and try 107 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:26.160 and give us a shot, knowing that if he came out of the game, 108 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.040 then you know, there's no more answers. It's done, it's over, 109 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.160 the game's over. Whereas he felt, I would have thought that, 110 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.680 being the warrior that he is and has been all year long, that he 111 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.360 wanted to give it a shot to get them back in the game because score 112 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.920 wise they were doing okay. And then you know, until the very end. 113 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.079 I would put it on him that he said, I need to stay 114 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:47.920 in there. I want to stay in there. I think it's hard because 115 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:54.000 maybe, yeah, go ahead, I would say, and maybe that'll come 116 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.439 out later on down the road, you know, when he there's some more 117 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.399 recaps of this that he requested to stay in the game, I would, 118 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.160 if I had to put money on it, I would say say that he 119 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.639 wanted to stay in Yeah. I think he's been your guy all year. 120 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.160 And I mean, to Steve's point, I think he was dealing with a 121 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.120 little bit of ribs stuff and the ankle when it got stepped on, was 122 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.480 he was grabbing that thing all yeah, so we'll see yeah, And I 123 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.079 mean at that point if he doesn't get hit, I don't know how his 124 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.800 throwing motion was affected by that, but that had to have been a Pennix 125 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.439 thing, because I think it was pretty clear after his second pick that he 126 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.680 was in a lot of discomfort. And I mean, if you're if you're 127 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.919 a quarterback you've been riding all year, asked to go back in the game, 128 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.039 finish it off. No matter what I think, as a coach, 129 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.279 you have a hard time saying, well, now that you said that because 130 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.960 I remember the second pick to start the second second half that was just horrible 131 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.360 and that was just a bad decision. Yeah, so if he's trying to 132 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:46.480 throw it out, he needed to do it better. I agree, and 133 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.080 it well because he got stepped on. That was the play that his ankle 134 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.120 got stepped in and I was questioning it too, like why couldn't you just 135 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.559 throw it away? And I don't know if that affected him being able to 136 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.320 not throw it out of bounds. He he got stepped on by his own 137 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.200 guy, and I mean, Johnson made a really good play. He went 138 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.600 up to grab it and then away. Yeah. I forget who the receiver 139 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.360 was. I want to say it was one of their one of their top 140 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.399 three guys tried to knock it out and then still was able to make the 141 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.200 pick. It was one of the better plays of the night. But to 142 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:24.159 Jay's point, honestly, like maybe countering, I thought, having watched Washington 143 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.879 maybe more than I've watched Michigan all year, it just felt that they were 144 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:31.159 gonna get in the end zone and tie the ballgame when it was twenty to 145 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.679 thirteen for what seemed like the whole third quarter. I don't know if you 146 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.320 guys felt the same way having watched the game. But it just felt like 147 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.080 Pennix had one drive in him where they were gonna be able to tie the 148 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.720 game. I don't know that holding. I think, yeah, it was 149 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.559 brutal when they finally made that deep play. Yeah, he played them. 150 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:50.399 They got called a lot from that. Yeah, they were just getting dominated. 151 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.440 Like Jay said, offensively end even see on that line. Yeah, 152 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.759 well yeah, you know when, as Steve knows, I always overthink this 153 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.679 in my overthinking mode. You know, even though it was sort of at 154 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.120 a standstill in the third quarter, I thought with the way the way Michigan 155 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.039 was running the ball, that they would wear Washington down in the fourth quarter. 156 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:16.759 That why if Michigan was if the game was tied or Michigan was ahead, 157 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.600 that Washington was not gonna be able to catch him because I thought Michigan 158 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.720 would ultimately be able to wear him down by running the ball and be effective 159 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.240 that way. And they were. I tried all year long to not give 160 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.399 Michigan credit for the team that they were. There's the there's the sign stealing 161 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.080 stuff and all that stuff, but you know what, they were pretty damn 162 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.360 good. You know, there's people saying, well, Georgia would have beat 163 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.840 him, and so I don't know, I don't know that Michigan was damn 164 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.000 damn good and you got to give them credit for that. No, you're 165 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.799 doing they they played their brand of football almost perfectly from the opening kickoff to 166 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.320 when Blake Korum got a second touchdown, which I know a lot of people 167 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:58.879 were probably sweating him scoring two touchdowns, But they did exactly what Harbaugh and 168 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.720 his staff wanted to do for the entire year, and that was play physical 169 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.919 in both lines, run the ball, and playing the play action. And 170 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.720 JJ McCarthy, if you watched the last couple of games, he wasn't asked 171 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.120 to do a lot, but he was able to do it pretty dang well. 172 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.639 So he was a quarterback who was good enough to win a national championship. 173 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.879 And I saw this thing along ahead, Well, I was gonna say 174 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.200 along the lines of that Georgia quarterback from a couple of years ago. Right, 175 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:28.159 he wasn't a great quarterback, you know he's, but he was good 176 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.399 enough to because Michigan was so I mean, Georgia was so good everywhere else. 177 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.440 It's the same thing, JJ McCarthy, you know, could he be 178 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.360 a brock pretty type of guy in the NFL maybe, but for now, 179 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.679 I mean, I still think I still think Michael Pennix is three times the 180 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:48.799 quarterback that JJ McCarthy is. But JJ McCarthy can do the things he needed 181 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.120 to do to win games like this, and he did it, and you 182 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.559 got to give him credit for that as well. Yeah, I think the 183 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.320 last I saw this the other day, the last three quarterbacks to win national 184 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.759 championships or J McCarthy, Mac Jones, and Stinton Bennett for Georgia. Those 185 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.720 are your last four national championship quarterbacks when I mean I kind of grew up 186 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.960 watching Shaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, I mean, Andrew Luck and ever won 187 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.200 one. But those guys were competing for national championships, like Bryce Young, 188 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.960 even CJ. Stroud, We're competing for national championships. But it's interesting to 189 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:26.399 see, especially in college football that not to say those guys were game managers 190 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.519 per se, because mac Jones was a top pick and Cince of Bennet got 191 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.159 drafted obviously, but if you have the guys around them, then that's really 192 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.240 what you need. And you saw it with Caleb Williams in USC this year 193 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.480 too, it really matters what's around those guys. Yeah, okay, we 194 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.759 got about two minutes Jay. Moving forward, We're gonna have Rachel Webb here 195 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.519 in about five minutes, six minutes, so look forward to that conversation again. 196 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.840 We'll have Dustin Piece on the other side of the hour, so and 197 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.279 you'll have breaking news for us. Oh yeah, I got some good stuff. 198 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:01.039 Oh okay, I brought some talking points. Cool, just a just 199 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.320 a program note. I know we didn't get or I didn't get the podcasts 200 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.720 up for Monday and Tuesday. We got asked about that on social media. 201 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.759 We will get those up today, so I'll post all three of those after 202 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.960 the show today and we let everybody get caught up because we had some pretty 203 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.320 good conversation. We had Justin Spears on uh in Studio for forty five minutes 204 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.919 Jack mcgriday. We talked about the National Championship game. Honestly, guys, 205 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:26.519 I only heard the first segment yesterday and then I went back to sleep, 206 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.120 so I didn't I didn't hear yesterday show. So we had We had Marquis 207 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.600 Flowers or was he in the first hour sickond there first first hour? Yeah, 208 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.840 so Marquise he was. He was different. He was fun, great 209 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.559 candid and that was and that was a lot of fun. Okay, so 210 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:43.360 let's just take the break now. I would break it under a minute, 211 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.000 uh, and then come back with with Rachel on the other side. Cool. 212 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:54.320 I know you guys missed my country was like, I don't want to 213 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.960 feel the thing. No more him now, I just want to sip till 214 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:07.360 the blame where boom me pull me another round them open, knock them damps. 215 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.919 Let's go sign never lock these beef. 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The last time we spoke to you, we came 293 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.319 off a lot more smart. We're smarter the last time, and God knows 294 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.799 we need that, So thank you for joining us again. I appreciate you 295 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:06.079 guys welcoming me back with such kind sentiments. Yes, no, great, 296 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.880 So how is it going over there? I'm assuming and this is just me 297 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:14.480 being me that because of all success and you've been there for a few years, 298 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.880 football is running well, basketball is doing well. With all those two 299 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.519 sports doing that, you have less issues or do the issues still remain the 300 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:29.039 same because everyone you know that cliche winning solves problems. It solved some problems. 301 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.640 That part of the cliche is true. Yeah, I've been here for 302 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:36.960 about five years to answer the first little piece. But things are going well. 303 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:38.440 I mean, I think the nature of our role is that we're not 304 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:44.640 necessarily here just to solve the really big issues, but we're also trying to 305 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:49.039 elevate all the time. So what it took to be successful one semester one 306 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:52.559 year is going to be different to some degree in the next season, in 307 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.599 the next year. So always evolving. You know, we're also still working 308 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:02.200 with humans, so we have all the same problems that every other human faces 309 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.960 too. Yes, well, Richie, know, one of the things that 310 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:10.359 we constantly talk about is how many more issues athletes are dealing with. We 311 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.640 probably talked about that a little bit with your last time you were on. 312 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:17.200 But you know, when you've got nil and you've got transfer portal and you 313 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:21.799 got all these other things that you know, athletes ten years ago, five 314 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.160 years ago, didn't have to deal with how much more does that add to 315 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:29.000 what you have to do and how much more you work with some of these 316 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.079 athletes. Yeah, that's a phenomenal question. It's funny to think that, 317 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:36.279 you know, a couple of years ago, I would have said that the 318 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:41.920 extra added stress was social media, and now we've got the transfer portal and 319 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.240 NIL, which are absolutely massive and play a huge role. I mean, 320 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:51.279 especially for the high profile teams like the two you initially brought up football basketball. 321 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:57.240 These folks are getting recruited constantly, obviously within NPAA regulation, but that's 322 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.720 always on their mind. You know, there's always an option to leave now, 323 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.079 whereas that was not a thing before. Was you just find a way 324 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.279 to make the most of your situation. And so I think what's been interesting 325 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:14.279 is for me and my staff, we really you know, we're meeting the 326 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.920 players in a different way with you know, do they want to stay, 327 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:19.759 do they want to go? And then how do we really develop them in 328 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:25.200 a much shorter time Potentially, you know, we might only have one year, 329 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:29.200 two year, or just a season to really help somebody get better in 330 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.279 any way, shape or form, you know, physically, mentally, emotionally, 331 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.400 So it puts a little bit of a different perspective, a little bit 332 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:38.359 more pressure on us to try to get them ready for whatever is they're doing. 333 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.839 And then it's just the decision making then figuring out as their young men 334 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.480 and women, the path that they want to take. And they have a 335 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.079 lot more options now, and I guess that's really just answering the transfer portal 336 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:57.759 situation. I think NIL trying to manage their budgets and deals and you know, 337 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.519 media and having to commit to quite a few different engagements, even get 338 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.519 some of these endorsements. It's a ton to juggle because nothing changes about the 339 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.240 amount of hours it takes to be a student and an athlete right right your 340 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.640 bendwidth. It remains the same when you have other things going on with it. 341 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:17.079 So let me just go back to the social media portion of it, 342 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:22.200 because that was pre this NIL stuff. So and everyone's different. Some people 343 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.200 are sensitive to the to the media, to social media criticism. Some not. 344 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.720 What's the recommendation for student athletes because you know, they're twenty eighteen all 345 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:36.039 that they love the social media, but sometimes it get criticized. Do you 346 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.319 kind of say, don't read it, don't watch it, put it down. 347 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.319 Yeah, I don't have a one size fits all. But for the 348 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.839 most part, a good rule of some is answering the question is it helpful? 349 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.000 Some people will say, yep, it's fueled my fire, it helps 350 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.880 me stay focused, it helps me work harder the next day. Some people, 351 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.200 their answer is absolutely not. You know, I go in a tailspin 352 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:03.640 until three in the morning watching, you know, listening, reading all these 353 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:08.440 really outlandish and terrible things that folks tend to say behind their screen. So 354 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.400 that's usually our first question, is it helpful? Second question, why are 355 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.880 you using it? What's kind of a point to function? And then we 356 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:21.400 go from there. But it's absolutely a conversation with almost everybody at some point 357 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:26.720 in time, especially our our high profile people, you know, on that 358 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.240 point. And we've talked about it a few times. You know, a 359 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.880 few years ago, you know, you had the the Arizona kicker of Casey 360 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:36.559 Scourn who missed a field goal against USC would have won the game, and 361 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.680 he's getting death threats and stuff like that. That's probably an extreme example, 362 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.599 but still that's something things like that, that's the type of stuff you're dealing 363 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.799 with. Isn't it. Yeah, absolutely, that is extreme, but it's 364 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.240 not uncommon by any stretch, which is you know, probably sad in a 365 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.519 ton of ways, but everybody from our coaching staff to our athletic administrators to 366 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:02.400 our players, you know, every everything that they do is criticized and there's 367 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.880 a comment and some obviously are much more harmful than others. But you know, 368 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:11.519 we've definitely had a lot of situations where fans, even our own fans, 369 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.640 which I think is always a little bit surprising to me, have a 370 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.079 ton to say. You know, even if you think about sitting in your 371 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:22.039 local you know, bar how much commentary they is. Whether it's just from 372 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:26.480 the people sitting next to you or on TV. Everybody has an opinion, 373 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.039 and especially when it's kind of a contrasting subject, there's even more folks who 374 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.839 tend to come out of the woodworks and don't have a ton of shame and 375 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.000 guilt and what they're willing to say to these young people. Yeah, no 376 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.000 question, we talked to them before on the air or did you have something, 377 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:42.319 Jay, Yeah, I was. I was going to say, So 378 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.160 what do you say to them in those kinds of situations? As you say, 379 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.920 probably not a one size fits all, But what do you tell them? 380 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.000 Oh, it's a great question. Depends on the player, it depends 381 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.880 on our relationship. But I'm a big fan of evidence and fact checking, 382 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.440 and that's usually where we'll start, is like, how much truth is there 383 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.039 to this statement? Again, how helpful is it to read about this? 384 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.160 How much do you trust this person's opinion. That's very hard to trust someone's 385 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.799 opinion that you've never heard of and you know, at whatever whatever on their 386 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.759 their Twitter handle. So yeah, we'll really take a pretty logical approach. 387 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.799 Do we trust it, is there evidence to support it? How is it 388 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.079 helpful for you? What do you want to do this information? And then 389 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.039 typically trying to redirect their attention in the same way that they do on the 390 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.519 court or the field. They have to have good control over their focus and 391 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.880 especially to be elite on and off the field, So we'll talk a lot 392 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.960 about where their attention does need to go, which is on their training, 393 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:45.799 on their loved ones, on their support system, you know, hearing from 394 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.680 people that they really trust their opinions about, hearing from people in the building 395 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.640 who know a lot more about situations. So we'll do a little bit of 396 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.039 attentional shifting too. You have no question and the and the storylines are you 397 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.039 know, constant. You know what used to be at the bars is now 398 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.319 online And I get but I tell jer this all the time. It frustrates 399 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.559 the hell out of me, even and I'm not even involved. I'm just 400 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.920 reading the darm thing with these kinds are just a bunch of fools talking on 401 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.200 the internet. But let me ask you something. Had I not done this, 402 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.119 I would have loved to do what you do. And I think I've 403 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.839 told you that already. But you do what you do. Do you have 404 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.880 a big staff because obviously there's like five hundred student athletes there. Yeah, 405 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.640 it is a lot, and I could have ten people, and I think 406 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.519 we'd still have work to do, which is honestly a testament to the coaches 407 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.720 and the players here. Everyone is wants to get better, whether regardless of 408 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.680 kind of where they're at in the spectrum of their mental health their mental performance. 409 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.920 So it is myself and I've got two other full time sports psychologists, 410 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.680 our director and assistant director, doctor Mike Clark and doctor Jenny Kraska. And 411 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.119 then Michael Manswell is our new retire He's an academic counselor, and yeah, 412 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.480 the four of us split up teams. I obviously oversee all of them, 413 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.839 and then we do have a couple of interns and and some other folks in 414 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:07.160 the community that help us serve all five hundred. That's called job security. 415 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.279 Yeah, I'm telling you, it looks different at every single university, and 416 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:17.359 we have an incredible setup with to your guys' first question, we're not just 417 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.839 coming in and doing crisis work, right. I've met with five of our 418 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:25.680 teams in the past two days, and it's just incredible that everybody knows your 419 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:26.640 name, what you do, how to get a hold of you, the 420 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.000 things they can work on, and you know, it's really shifted to like 421 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.519 elevating what they're doing, not just hey, worst case scenario, you know, 422 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.720 go down this dark hallway and meet with the psychologists behind closed doors. 423 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:44.640 It's a very different feel on this campus, which is really awesome. Well, 424 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:45.960 well, let me ask you as far as that goes in, so 425 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.440 it sounds like you're doing something, you're trying to hit some things off before 426 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.920 things become a problem, before that escalates into some sort of a serious mental 427 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.000 issue, how do you figure out I guess you could just gotta be really 428 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.279 smart, like you are, what to do how to work with student athletes, 429 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.799 so that either to prepare them or to help them deal with stuff as 430 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.599 it's coming instead of waiting for it to get to a situation that becomes, 431 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.599 you know, very difficult to handle. Yeah, that's a great question, 432 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.799 and I think again a compliment to the coaching staffs we have here, so 433 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.680 a good you know, one approach to that is we try to just be 434 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.400 around a lot. There's a ton of value in FaceTime and being a part 435 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.640 of you know, the coaching staff, the athletic training staff, and so 436 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.839 a lot of times it's us being here and being able to like pseudo educate 437 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.000 other coaches, other staff members, athletes. You know, after my third 438 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:47.240 practice will come up and ask me random questions and we might start and this 439 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.640 happened, you know, ninety percent of the time. We might start with 440 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.039 like, hey, I just get so nervous before the game, or I 441 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.000 get so in my head right before the snap and I feel like I can't 442 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.079 remember my route that I'm supposed to run, and that might the initial conversation 443 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:04.240 on the sideline, and you know, maybe that is all that's presenting at 444 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.440 that time. But eventually, if something does come up, if they do 445 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.480 have more mental health concerns, that relationship is already there, so they know 446 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.440 who to call, they know how to reach out. They don't wait until 447 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.400 you know, worst case scenario, you know there's some serious safety concerns or 448 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.599 you know, more serious mental health illnesses and concerns going on. So being 449 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.519 around a lot, having a lot of that face time and like sideline conversation, 450 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:33.200 side court conversations, and we actually meet with every single student athlete when 451 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.920 they come to campus, both in August and right now in January while they're 452 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.599 all coming back, we will make sure to get in front of the team 453 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.119 and the individuals to check in make sure they know what they can do. 454 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.279 And with certain teams we do it quite a bit of programming, like you 455 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.119 said, Jay, being able to give them some skills that they might not 456 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.319 have had to use quite yet. But how can we kind of build that 457 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.200 flexibility and that resilience over a couple of months, you know, before or 458 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.039 they really start to get tested in their seasons and everybody has their own solve 459 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.599 right. If you saw the Michigan quarterback, I guess he does some zen 460 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.880 work near the goal and that's how he kind of gets centered and all that 461 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.559 and gets prepared. I'm assuming that you have like five hundred and each one 462 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.079 of them is an individual of whatever they want to do. Yeah, yeah, 463 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.720 I mean, I think he's a great example of just the power of 464 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.599 you know, meditation and being present focused. It's so much harder than people 465 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.000 think it is. All of us, could you know, utilize that that 466 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.359 skill. But yeah, every single athlete it looks different how they incorporate it. 467 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.799 You know, our baseball players what it looks like in their pre work. 468 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.880 Their pre routine is they walk onto the mound or the box. So 469 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.599 that's what's great about you know, I love getting to educate them in groups 470 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.279 and doing some programming, but we also try to take a pretty individualized approach 471 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.440 and talk through what do you need to be saying, what are the cues, 472 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.839 you know what, what's most helpful for what they're dealing with. Well, 473 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.759 the funny thing about is the reason I just said he just get ahold 474 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.519 of Rachel again is on the sideline. I don't know if you saw that 475 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.359 where he hugged his psychologists, you must have felt like, you know, 476 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.960 see, my stuff is worthy. Yeah, it's funny you bring that up. 477 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.000 That was amazing. That's always a great moment for you know, a 478 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.400 field that's still right, to be honest, budding, you know, definitely 479 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.599 young and in a lot of ways. And we had a conversation with some 480 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.799 colleagues yesterday about that. And you know a lot of our work is behind 481 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.240 closed doors. Just that's the nature of it. And it makes us effective 482 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.279 and it's very valuable, but it definitely doesn't always get the the TLC that 483 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.880 maybe it deserves. So moments like that are very exciting. Sure. So 484 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:43.880 are there any certain certain types of issues or things that are more common than 485 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.400 others that you find yourself dealing with you know, quite a bit or is 486 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:51.039 it just a little bit of everything? Well, and if I could, 487 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.319 Jay, you know, you have women and you have men who are totally 488 00:32:53.319 --> 00:33:00.279 different. Yeah, yeah, awesome question. I'm curious if you guys any 489 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:06.759 guesses, any guesses of like the most like main presenting concern across student athletes. 490 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:08.799 I would say, I would say, because we've been told this a 491 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.240 long time ago, forever, you know, don't bet on kids because they're 492 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.160 kids, they're nineteen twenty. You can't try, you can't trust them. 493 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:22.319 There's anything girlfriend issues, boyfriend issues, school issues, there's all kinds of 494 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.400 issues. But my thing would be probably emotional issues with with with with significant 495 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.480 others. That's that's a great guess. So yeah, they definitely have all 496 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.200 those things going on. They're kids, like one hundred percent. I think 497 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.200 we tend to forget that, especially in this model of NIL and the transfer 498 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:45.400 portal. They have agents by the time they're sixteen. But the biggest issue 499 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.440 we seem to face is sleep, and most people struggle with that. We 500 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.400 I'm sure adults, grown adults are struggling with it, but I think just 501 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.759 the time demand, the emotional and cognitive stress that they're going through, that 502 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.200 is absolutely a very high priority and one of the first resources to go and 503 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:10.079 unfortunately one of our greatest performance resources is having adequate sleep. We definitely don't 504 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.599 don't sleep enough. I think is like a population. But yeah, we 505 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.400 see everything beyond that. I mean, I would say our highest in terms 506 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.639 of mental health are probably depression and anxiety. Student athletes, you know, 507 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:28.880 do rank much higher than the average student population and their levels of depression anxiety, 508 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:34.039 but they also, according to some recent research, are less likely to 509 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:39.800 reach out and so there's becomes worse than kind of the average student on campus. 510 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.840 Yeah, so our statistics here would definitely go against that, which is 511 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:50.280 incredible. You know, even just with our football program recently, we were 512 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.440 able to pull out some survey information that we had sixty percent of our guys 513 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.760 checking in with somebody at some point in the season, and that's about six 514 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.119 times the amount that you would see across any other campus. So that was 515 00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:06.800 really reassuring. And on the performance side, yeah, super individualized, but 516 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.119 a lot of it comes down to managing pressure and just being able to execute 517 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:15.960 and manage their focus depending on what's going on on the field. Okay, 518 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.800 well you have another question, Jay, We're pretty much out of time. 519 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.639 No, I'm good. I'm good, really interesting. So we're going to 520 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:27.039 have our Zen weekly moment with you every ten minute, every every other day, 521 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.480 every other week of Zen. Rachel is Zen teaching. Bye? How 522 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.800 about you here for however? I can support the two of you. You 523 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.719 guys have a great influence on hundreds and thousands of people. I'm here for 524 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.599 it. Well, thank you. How much do you charge? Because I 525 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.320 need to sleep? I have been sleep issues, Rachel, big time, 526 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.199 big time. All right, Well, yeah, I don't have I don't 527 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.920 have anxiety. Yeah, I don't have anxiety about playing time because I don't 528 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.800 play. So we're good. Rachel, thanks a bunch. We hope to 529 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.840 have you on again as we get nearing the end of the semester. Definitely 530 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:01.760 have a good one, guy, Rich. I appreciate it. Always good 531 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.800 stuff. I always come away smarter, don't you a little bit? Yeah? 532 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.400 I love bit. Okay, I still don't know. I'm gonna sleep 533 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.639 better tonight, but okay, I'm gonna take a nap in the next two 534 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:36.679 minutes. I'll be back in five. 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But Nick Saban is retiring from Alabama. 577 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.440 He will no longer be the head coach of the Crimson Tide. His 578 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:59.960 career ending with the Bama Crimson Tide losing to Michigan at the Rose Bowl. 579 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.719 Probably not the way he wanted to have it end, but nonetheless, six 580 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:09.960 national championships with Alabama, and that place will be building the statue probably as 581 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.239 we speak. Jay, it's not gonna be. Do you think it's no 582 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.039 matter who they get, no matter who they get, do you think it'll 583 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:23.280 be the Alabama as we know it? I do not. There was something 584 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.320 that he brought to that job, and actually I think, oh yeah, 585 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.920 he won a seventh at LSU, I forgot, but I don't know. 586 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:37.679 I think there was sort of a his personality with the way he did things. 587 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.039 It was like a you know, a perfect mixture of everything for them 588 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.239 to do what they did, because that's not something that just anybody can come 589 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.639 in and do. You're not going to get a coach. It's going to 590 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.119 just be able to come and do Alabama the way he did Alabama. At 591 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.239 least that's what I believe. So people at the coaches at LSU, the 592 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.400 guys at Oklahoma, the guys of Texas rejoicing because now they have a chance. 593 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.440 Yeah, I think, well, it's no doubt. It's no question 594 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.960 Bama is going to probably be able to get whoever they want as their head 595 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:15.599 next head coach. But to Jay's point, Saban had that program. He 596 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.280 knew the program like the back of his hand. He knew the guys he 597 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.559 wanted to recruit, what coordinators. He lost a lot of coordinators, and 598 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.400 it didn't seem like they blinked. Ever, those guys went to be great 599 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.639 coaches. And we'll see if the next head coach has the temper do you 600 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:35.679 go after some of the guys that were there with him and then come in 601 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.599 Mississippi State these guys, the the guys as Yeah, I mean I think 602 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:44.880 it makes sense if if you coach under Saban, those guys probably know his 603 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:50.159 style and that programs had agree as well as anything. And how much say 604 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.239 will he have in naming that guy? Oh? I mean, I mean 605 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.519 if he's retiring, I don't know if he's going to stick around the program 606 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.599 as much like you see coach kat Duke. Yet he'd only been to one 607 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:05.480 game since his retirement, and that's a whole new program under Shire, and 608 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.559 so we'll see if Saban wants to be around what he's going to do next. 609 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:14.159 But the news is that he's just retiring from the head coach of Alabama. 610 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.400 And we were talking at the break, like what names are going to 611 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.760 be started to float around, and some that just come to mind. I 612 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.960 mean, Dabbo Sweeney. His Clemson time is looking a little yeah, but 613 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:27.559 I'm sketchy right now. I don't think they go after him. He can't 614 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.719 do it there. I just that's the strange fit to me. I see, 615 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:31.960 I think it might be a decent fit. He kind of has that 616 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.559 same intensity that Saban brought, although Saban's was a lot more kept down a 617 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.360 little more. But you go after a arrival like that, I don't know. 618 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.519 I don't know. I don't know. It's we'll see, Jay, 619 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.280 do you have it. It'll be interesting, Yeah, it'll be interesting to 620 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.639 see. For instance, you know, if Kirby Smart decides I want to 621 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.599 go back to Alabama even though he's got a thing going at Georgia. They're 622 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:58.480 the best, arguably the best program in the country right now, even though 623 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.559 they didn't get to the he just gotta you know, Yeah, would Kirby 624 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.639 Smart about Lane Kiffin? Right? You know, That's that's what I was 625 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:08.639 thinking. That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean, you know, 626 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:14.039 but part of it depends on what, you know, what was it that 627 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:20.280 Nick Saban did in running the program that got them to where they got to. 628 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.199 What did he do in recruiting, how he recruited who he recruited, 629 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.119 you know, how he managed the coaching staff, all these things that you're 630 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.559 going to be looking to get somebody who's got all of that, and there's 631 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.400 probably nobody out there. Hold on, hold on, you know, hold 632 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:38.719 on. So okay, Hello, you're in the air. Hey, Hey, 633 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.559 Hey, you doing Steve? Hey, what's going on? Howard? 634 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.840 Let me turn that off? Yeah. I was at that blowout, that 635 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.519 pseudo blowout game because it wasn't the last one the U have a played, 636 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.880 actually second to last, because they didn't have two of their three best players, 637 00:43:55.360 --> 00:44:00.400 and of course all the faithful. I left right after halftime. Okay, 638 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.239 okay, Well you're just talking about You just want to talk about basketball 639 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.199 and how good they're playing. Well, I'll talk about football too. I 640 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.320 can talk about anything. No, we're just talking. We're just talking about 641 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.320 Alabama or did you hear the breaking news? No? No, But because 642 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.400 they said he was going to stay to me, I put I put him 643 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:22.000 in a thing with Pete Carroll. They're they're both in their early seventies and 644 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.960 people think they're the prime and they have something left. They don't. It's 645 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:30.960 time to retire. Jay, Well it is. I mean, you know, 646 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.880 well, you don't realize that, you know. I mean, I 647 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.679 mean, I'm I'm sixty four years old and I'm tired as hell. I 648 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.039 can't imagine that the energy and effort it takes, you know, to be 649 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:45.760 a head football coach. Jay, with these guys in their seventies, with 650 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.280 the amount of work that they did, Jay, you're getting paid nine ten 651 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.800 million dollars a year. Your tiredness gets fixed. Well, I get it. 652 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.719 I get it. That's the thing. They don't need any money, 653 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.000 so there's no reason to do it. That's true too, that's true too. 654 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.239 Yeah. Yeah, how would you know they Well, they stopped doing 655 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.719 it. They stopped doing it for the money a long time ago, Howard. 656 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.360 Those guys they're doing it because they love it and it there comes a 657 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.280 time when they say, Okay, I don't love it enough to keep doing 658 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.440 it, so they stop. But and it's like everything. But I was 659 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.639 listening to another sports show and this player that used to play for Pete Carroll 660 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.199 the reason it's prime. And then and then they were talking about Russell Wilson 661 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.440 too. Oh he's got a lot less in the tank. No, And 662 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:35.760 certain athletes they're done too. It's time for them to you know, they've 663 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.679 they've reached their peak and the all they can do is go down. Yeah. 664 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.679 I guess it depends on the age of the on the sport. We'll 665 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.679 see. Yeah, okay, Howard, thanks for calling in. Yeah, 666 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.199 we'll see guys, all right, thank you. Okay. Back to say 667 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.440 to lou Cook, I'm assuming this is an easy statement that he was probably 668 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:59.360 the best football coach in my generation, uh, if not of our generation 669 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.800 is the best ever. Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know. 670 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.280 I mean of my lifetime, he's the best. And I'm twenty four, 671 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.559 right, and I haven't seen a I mean, you could go NFL, 672 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:14.800 you could go college coach even like talk about coach K and the cross 673 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.360 sport. Well, you know Belichick, I don't pay I don't pay attention 674 00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:21.840 enough. He's not dynamic. Neither of them really are. He wins, 675 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.880 he wins, but his legacy is kind of going on the downside before. 676 00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:28.679 He's a guy where he should go out on his own terms. And I 677 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:34.320 wonder if Saban maybe saw that. It's very different in college football because you 678 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.039 get new guys every year, every two years, you get a new quarterback 679 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.639 every year. It's not like in Bill's case, where granted he was part 680 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.960 GM as well, he had a saying who those guys were he was gonna 681 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.079 coach. But Sabin, for example, could go out and get the best 682 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.639 recruiting class tomorrow, his team would still be very good and he'd give them 683 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.559 a chance to win. And in Bill's case, there's a lot of things 684 00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.119 that went wrong for him. But I mean, as a kid that grew 685 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:06.159 up watching these guys win and win and win. It's I don't know if 686 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.599 sad's the right word, but it's very interesting to see this new wave of 687 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:14.800 guy young coaches, Yeah, winning and stepping up, and those guys per 688 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.119 se, I mean retiring. Pete Carroll's done, Nick Saban's done. We'll 689 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:21.119 see what happens with Bill Belichick. So, I don't know, it's very 690 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.880 interesting that those so jay when you watch a game, and I think this 691 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.880 happened to me over the weekend. I'm not sure where when I saw. 692 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.320 You know, they pan the coaches and they're fairly young. When you when 693 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.239 you look at the games and they pans are the coaches, and you see 694 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.800 because you're, like you said, you're sixty four years old, and you 695 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.519 say, God, these guys doing thirty nine and forty What do you think? 696 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.800 God? Am I old those guys? Yeah? No, those guys 697 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.280 seem really young to me. You know, Jed Fish for some reason, 698 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.039 Jed Fish doesn't look for it. What is he forty forty five six forty 699 00:47:53.079 --> 00:48:00.199 five forty six? I'm sorry, Jed, you's or if it's you've been 700 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.760 in the sun too much playing tennis or what it is. When I see 701 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.599 Jed Fish. I don't see him the same age as Tommy Lloyd. Hold 702 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.960 on, okay, we got another call. Shoot, okay, okay, 703 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.719 so give us a call if you'd like. You got you know what I'm 704 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.519 saying, He Jed Fish seems older than Tommy Lloyd, and I think they're 705 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.480 about the same age. Yeah, no, I hear you. But he 706 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:22.840 also mid forties. They also talked differently. They have a different presence, 707 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.679 if that makes any sense. Well, and I think I think right now 708 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.079 it's it's ultra important. We've got the couple. Okay, let's take it 709 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.880 real quick. Are you're on the air the moon? Hey, how's it 710 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.280 gone today? Good? Good? You got about two minutes Brian to what 711 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.760 happens? No, no problem about Nick Saban. You know, the guy 712 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.880 can still coach. I don't care. He's seventy seven years old. Whatever. 713 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:51.280 He got him into the He got him into the Final four, and 714 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.119 I lost the game in overtime. You know, you know, I think 715 00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.119 he still he probably said, I just don't want to do him anymore. 716 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.679 Not so much because of the coaching. I think it's all the other stuff 717 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.760 around the coaching now, the ni M, the transfers and everything else, 718 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.599 and all the recruiting maybe just takes too much out of them. I don't 719 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.440 think the coaching does. I think it's all the other stuff totally. I 720 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.000 totally agree. Like we say, we had Ken Dre, we've had Rubio, 721 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.960 some of these guys to say, I love to love the job, 722 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.400 but I just don't deal with it anymore, right, Jake, Yeah, 723 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.159 Yeah, it's truly one of those BacT These guys got to a point where 724 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.719 you know, it's just not coaching anymore. You know, there's just too 725 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.119 much involved, and it's it's a younger man's game now. Yeah. Well, 726 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.199 in fact, Brian, I think it's a you've been a younger man's 727 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.400 game for a long time, just that you know, you know, we're 728 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:45.719 no longer young. Yeah, And somehow these guys like like the these guys 729 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.679 like Saban and Pete Carroll and those guys have been able to keep winning in 730 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.280 spite of how how much the game has changed. I was just going to 731 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.119 say that before Brian called it it's a young man's game. Now you need 732 00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.400 young They have to relate more to the players than they used to have to, 733 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.000 right, Okay, Brian, anything else you got about thirty seconds, 734 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:13.559 Jay, get better, shout you shot. I'm working on it. Thank 735 00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:23.599 you. It's full of disease. I know I'm never going again. Thanks 736 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.599 thanks for the call. Yeah, okay, your thought real quick before we 737 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.440 go, we had about no but but but that was my thought. I 738 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.679 was really I was literally about to say that that. You know, when 739 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.440 you're looking at the coaches and the agetting younger and younger and younger, I 740 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.280 think they have to get younger and younger and younger because they're having to deal 741 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.440 with athletes on a different level. You know, you can't be the grandpa 742 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.159 that tells athletes this is the way it is, that's my way or the 743 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:51.519 highway. It doesn't work that way anymore. And that's why again, guys 744 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.519 like the coaches that you mentioned a minute ago, Steve, they get out 745 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.199 because they they they don't want to have to do that anymore. It's like, 746 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.960 Okay, I've done my thing, so fine, I've done it. 747 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.079 There's also a fine line, and I want to say, maybe we'll get 748 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.039 to this on the other side. But if you're a young guy and you 749 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.239 have a young coach, do you how much do you respect the guy? 750 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.880 And whereas if you have an older dude. And I'll use Luda as an 751 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.800 example. Talking to the guys. They played for him hard because they didn't 752 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.360 want to disappoint him. Maybe a little scared, maybe a little scared. 753 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.519 I hear you. So there's a you know, there's a fine line in 754 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:28.800 between both. No, I hear that, And that's why. And the 755 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:34.440 good coaches are the really really good coaches are the coaches who can one be 756 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.599 the players coach, but two have the respect of the players at the same 757 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:39.960 time, right, And some coaches can't get both, And those are the 758 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.000 ones that have a tough time, right right, Okay, we gotta go, 759 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.360 we gotta go. Get to you on the other side, Jay, 760 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:47.880 we have a dustin piece too. Let's go, let's go. We'll get 761 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:50.920 time to go.