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wishing you a very happy Friday.
Well, we heard early in the

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program from a former US military sniper, retired Colonel Bob Kattyre, a good

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friend of the show and a man
who really he knows all about being a

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sniper. And now we're going to
hear about someone who actually has been there

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and done that. In terms of
the Secret Service, Gary Burns served in

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federal law enforcement for nearly thirty years
in the US Air Force Security Police,

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the Uniform Division of the Secret Service, and most recently as a Federal Air

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Marshal. He written two books on
those subject matters, The One Crisis of

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Character, a White House Secret Service
officer discloses his first hand experience with Hillary

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and Bill and how they operate,
followed by in twenty seventeen, I was

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twenty sixteen his book, Secrets of
the Secret Service, The History and Uncertain

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Future of the US Secret Service.
Welcome to the fifty five Karrose Morning Show,

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and thanks for your long service to
our country. Gary Burns, pleasure

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having you on today. Good morning, Thank you. Well, you've heard

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the questions. I'm sure that you've
come up with some answers yourself, or

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have your own head scratching about last
Saturday. I mean to the lay person

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like me, although I do have
knowledge and years of experience shooting both rifles

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and handguns, I look with in
in dismay that the number of places where

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this murderer would be assassin of Donald
Trump could have shot from. But even

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where he did shoot from, it
doesn't look as if the Secret Service had

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done a well advanced plan on this. What what have you done by way

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of review on this? And what
have you determined? Where were the I

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mean, there were obvious failures at
least let's see if we agree upon that.

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To start with, Gary, Yes, it was a complete train wreck.

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I mean I give, I give
a little bit of slop to the

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actual detail the thing. Most of
the things you saw take place when Trump

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went down, and with the detail
the way they acted, you know,

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most of that was exactly the where
it was supposed to be. The pre

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advanced the advanced work that was supposed
to be done was not the Secret Service

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director. This falls on her lap
now like not like a lot of other

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people who are demanding that she resigned. I don't wanted to resign. I

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wanted them to stay and tell the
truth once, tell the truth of what

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happened. You know. One of
the reasons I wrote the second book,

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Secrets to the Ciccret Service, was
to you know, let everybody know.

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You know, ninety nine percent of
what people know about the Secret Service from

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TVs and movies right. The Secret
Service in real life is a lot of

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great people trying to do a really
hard job, but it's got all the

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problems of the Irs and the Postal
Service. It's this giant government entity with

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layers and layers and layers of management. Even if he tried to hold somebody

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responsible for not giving them counter sniper
A coverage until the day before, you

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would be almost impossible to figure out
who it was. Well, what did

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you I mean, I guess you
got to go back to the director.

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Many people are calling for her to
step down, if for no other reason.

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Then she offered as an explanation for
not having that roof taken care of,

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that the slope was too steep.
I mean, come on, now,

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they had snipers on roofs with steeper
slopes than that. Our men and

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women in uniform have to fight in
combat with slopes step and now, I

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mean seriously, this actually came out
of her mouth, that she is the

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director, and yet that was used
as a as an excuse that, to

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me, was just an admission of
an epic fail. She had no answer

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to the questions. Correct, And
there's two things that she stated because of

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exactly who she is and it's the
real problem. That was one of them,

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and the other one was what was
the first thing she said about there

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was the roofs event. She said
something about it'll come to me in a

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minute. But anyway, we're getting
back to the ruslicit. The men owned

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town Sniper before they even get to
the point in their training. To find

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out that they can't qualify with the
rifle, they have to do like two

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weeks of pete climbing repelling these guys. You know, her statement just shows

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you how completely disconnected she is from
what the people that she's supposed to be

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directing do. She had no clue
whatsoever, and it's an insult to them.

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And again, I don't know why
she would say that. When she

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first said it, I thought it
was I thought I was. I just

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didn't believe it right right, Well, and again I'm looking at it from

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a la person's perspective. You actually
served with a secret service, so you

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know that you have confirmed what seems
so obvious to a guy like me.

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It's it's absolutely amazing. Coupled with
what we now have learned, there was

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that open threat from the Iranians that
they discovered there was probably an assassination plot

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to kill former President Donald Trump,
and they got that information prior to this

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event, days prior anyway, and
that they supplemented the Secret Service agents because

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of that threat. So not only
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greater failure. You've got a legitimate
Iranian threat, your supplement resulted in this,

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Yeah, exactly. And again it
goes back to some of the things

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I point out in the book.
And you know, just for an example

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for your audience, by the time
John Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas Cactus in

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nineteen sixty three, four other presidents
that they had protected have been shot at

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in open vehicles. Two of them
were open carriages drawn by horses. What's

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their learning curve? Why the hell
will we're still doing open vehicle And then

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you fast forward to Ronald Reagan when
Ronald Reagan gets shot by John Henckley.

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Just a few years before, Jerry
Ford was shot at twice in uncontrolled crowds

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outside of buildings in a two week
period and a excuse me, fourteen day

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period, shot at twice by women
with handguns. And again, why were

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they still doing it? Uncontrolled press
and uncontrolled crowds with Reagan, and you

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know there, what they're very good
is is is person blame over to other

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people and just ignoring it. Another
thing I point out that by the time

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Reagan is there's an attention assassinates in
Reagan. When they reviewed the Secret Services

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policies and they reviewed the Kennedy assassination, there were over twenty things that were

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recommended by a panel of the Secret
Service and they still want to do in

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some of them. And one of
them was to control the press and you

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could control the crowd. So this
is just another example of management and competence,

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management, confidence, complacency, laziness. Yeah, I guess across the

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board, do me a favor before
we part company again. It's fascinating conversation.

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Gary Burn, a man in the
know on this area. Crisis,

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A Character and Secrets of the Secret
Service. The two books that you can

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get my blog page fifty five casy
dot com just address briefly the rumbling conspiracy

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theories that are out there because you
know, many people suggesting that somehow the

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Secret Service or the dark forces inside
government had something to do with this,

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Well they did. It demonstrates an
even more epic failure. I can't believe

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that honestly myself. Gary, you
got any comments to address those rumblings out

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there. Yeah. I used the
Kennedy assassination as an example sometime with the

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you know, there was another shooter, there was this, there was that

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they purposely did this and did that. But the problem is is that most

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of what people know about the Secret
Service comes from TVs and movies in and

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you know, I'm not solely anybody. I'm just saying that's what reality is.

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And so it's hard for people to
say, oh, they're incompetent,

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they're the Secret Service. They're not
competent. They make mistakes, they're human

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beings. We saw it right in
front of us. You know, there

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was some little mistakes made, but
you have to realize everybody was being shot

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at and there's a shields adrenaline dump, which if you've never experienced that,

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it really messes with your body instantly, and you know, your vision goes

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down to a pinpoint, you're hearing
shuts off for a second, and then

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you have to learn to work through
it. And so what we saw on

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Saturday was the divine, in my
opinion, is divine hand of God turning

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and heard it the right second and
too after that. Some of the things

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that the agents did was textbooks.
But the advanced, the Advance its lilcations

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with the local police. I mean
the guy called up on the building that

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the local police were inside of.
Yeah, they're a ladder to get up.

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There was ter on the corner from
his ladders. You know, nobody

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subserved that area, and nobody see
came that building. And all that does

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not fall back on the counter sniper
dot that falls back on the advanced people.

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And again they get true answers.
Don't hold your breath. Oh so

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you don't think we're really gonna get
to the bottom of this and the final

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analysis carry absolutely not. Goo Google
what happened in nineteen ninety two when Congress

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tried to help it reopen the DFK
assassination to take a look at a couple

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of things. They went to the
SI Service and requested all the information on

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the murdercade and the Advanced. When
the Secret Service said it's been destroyed,

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that was it. They destroyed it. Nobody was all accountable. They got

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rid of all the logs, all
the information they got, serving to fuel

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the conspiracy theories that continue to this
day. Gary Byrne. It has been

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a distinct pleasure to have you here
on the program this morning. Thank you

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for your service. Thanks for the
books. They're outstanding books. And I'll

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encourage my listeners to get copies of
Crisis of Character as well as Secrets of

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the Secret Service, which my producers
linked on my blog page fifty five care

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see dot com. Gary, Thanks
for the thoughtful analysis this morning. Was

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a real pleasure having you on the
program. My pleasure to take care you

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too. Coming up an eight forty
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