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wishing you a very happy Friday. Well, we heard early in the
program from a former US military sniper, retired Colonel Bob Kattyre, a good
friend of the show and a man who really he knows all about being a
sniper. And now we're going to hear about someone who actually has been there
and done that. In terms of the Secret Service, Gary Burns served in
federal law enforcement for nearly thirty years in the US Air Force Security Police,
the Uniform Division of the Secret Service, and most recently as a Federal Air
Marshal. He written two books on those subject matters, The One Crisis of
Character, a White House Secret Service officer discloses his first hand experience with Hillary
and Bill and how they operate, followed by in twenty seventeen, I was
twenty sixteen his book, Secrets of the Secret Service, The History and Uncertain
Future of the US Secret Service. Welcome to the fifty five Karrose Morning Show,
and thanks for your long service to our country. Gary Burns, pleasure
having you on today. Good morning, Thank you. Well, you've heard
the questions. I'm sure that you've come up with some answers yourself, or
have your own head scratching about last Saturday. I mean to the lay person
like me, although I do have knowledge and years of experience shooting both rifles
and handguns, I look with in in dismay that the number of places where
this murderer would be assassin of Donald Trump could have shot from. But even
where he did shoot from, it doesn't look as if the Secret Service had
done a well advanced plan on this. What what have you done by way
of review on this? And what have you determined? Where were the I
mean, there were obvious failures at least let's see if we agree upon that.
To start with, Gary, Yes, it was a complete train wreck.
I mean I give, I give a little bit of slop to the
actual detail the thing. Most of the things you saw take place when Trump
went down, and with the detail the way they acted, you know,
most of that was exactly the where it was supposed to be. The pre
advanced the advanced work that was supposed to be done was not the Secret Service
director. This falls on her lap now like not like a lot of other
people who are demanding that she resigned. I don't wanted to resign. I
wanted them to stay and tell the truth once, tell the truth of what
happened. You know. One of the reasons I wrote the second book,
Secrets to the Ciccret Service, was to you know, let everybody know.
You know, ninety nine percent of what people know about the Secret Service from
TVs and movies right. The Secret Service in real life is a lot of
great people trying to do a really hard job, but it's got all the
problems of the Irs and the Postal Service. It's this giant government entity with
layers and layers and layers of management. Even if he tried to hold somebody
responsible for not giving them counter sniper A coverage until the day before, you
would be almost impossible to figure out who it was. Well, what did
you I mean, I guess you got to go back to the director.
Many people are calling for her to step down, if for no other reason.
Then she offered as an explanation for not having that roof taken care of,
that the slope was too steep. I mean, come on, now,
they had snipers on roofs with steeper slopes than that. Our men and
women in uniform have to fight in combat with slopes step and now, I
mean seriously, this actually came out of her mouth, that she is the
director, and yet that was used as a as an excuse that, to
me, was just an admission of an epic fail. She had no answer
to the questions. Correct, And there's two things that she stated because of
exactly who she is and it's the real problem. That was one of them,
and the other one was what was the first thing she said about there
was the roofs event. She said something about it'll come to me in a
minute. But anyway, we're getting back to the ruslicit. The men owned
town Sniper before they even get to the point in their training. To find
out that they can't qualify with the rifle, they have to do like two
weeks of pete climbing repelling these guys. You know, her statement just shows
you how completely disconnected she is from what the people that she's supposed to be
directing do. She had no clue whatsoever, and it's an insult to them.
And again, I don't know why she would say that. When she
first said it, I thought it was I thought I was. I just
didn't believe it right right, Well, and again I'm looking at it from
a la person's perspective. You actually served with a secret service, so you
know that you have confirmed what seems so obvious to a guy like me.
It's it's absolutely amazing. Coupled with what we now have learned, there was
that open threat from the Iranians that they discovered there was probably an assassination plot
to kill former President Donald Trump, and they got that information prior to this
event, days prior anyway, and that they supplemented the Secret Service agents because
of that threat. So not only I mean that to me illustrates it even
greater failure. You've got a legitimate Iranian threat, your supplement resulted in this,
Yeah, exactly. And again it goes back to some of the things
I point out in the book. And you know, just for an example
for your audience, by the time John Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas Cactus in
nineteen sixty three, four other presidents that they had protected have been shot at
in open vehicles. Two of them were open carriages drawn by horses. What's
their learning curve? Why the hell will we're still doing open vehicle And then
you fast forward to Ronald Reagan when Ronald Reagan gets shot by John Henckley.
Just a few years before, Jerry Ford was shot at twice in uncontrolled crowds
outside of buildings in a two week period and a excuse me, fourteen day
period, shot at twice by women with handguns. And again, why were
they still doing it? Uncontrolled press and uncontrolled crowds with Reagan, and you
know there, what they're very good is is is person blame over to other
people and just ignoring it. Another thing I point out that by the time
Reagan is there's an attention assassinates in Reagan. When they reviewed the Secret Services
policies and they reviewed the Kennedy assassination, there were over twenty things that were
recommended by a panel of the Secret Service and they still want to do in
some of them. And one of them was to control the press and you
could control the crowd. So this is just another example of management and competence,
management, confidence, complacency, laziness. Yeah, I guess across the
board, do me a favor before we part company again. It's fascinating conversation.
Gary Burn, a man in the know on this area. Crisis,
A Character and Secrets of the Secret Service. The two books that you can
get my blog page fifty five casy dot com just address briefly the rumbling conspiracy
theories that are out there because you know, many people suggesting that somehow the
Secret Service or the dark forces inside government had something to do with this,
Well they did. It demonstrates an even more epic failure. I can't believe
that honestly myself. Gary, you got any comments to address those rumblings out
there. Yeah. I used the Kennedy assassination as an example sometime with the
you know, there was another shooter, there was this, there was that
they purposely did this and did that. But the problem is is that most
of what people know about the Secret Service comes from TVs and movies in and
you know, I'm not solely anybody. I'm just saying that's what reality is.
And so it's hard for people to say, oh, they're incompetent,
they're the Secret Service. They're not competent. They make mistakes, they're human
beings. We saw it right in front of us. You know, there
was some little mistakes made, but you have to realize everybody was being shot
at and there's a shields adrenaline dump, which if you've never experienced that,
it really messes with your body instantly, and you know, your vision goes
down to a pinpoint, you're hearing shuts off for a second, and then
you have to learn to work through it. And so what we saw on
Saturday was the divine, in my opinion, is divine hand of God turning
and heard it the right second and too after that. Some of the things
that the agents did was textbooks. But the advanced, the Advance its lilcations
with the local police. I mean the guy called up on the building that
the local police were inside of. Yeah, they're a ladder to get up.
There was ter on the corner from his ladders. You know, nobody
subserved that area, and nobody see came that building. And all that does
not fall back on the counter sniper dot that falls back on the advanced people.
And again they get true answers. Don't hold your breath. Oh so
you don't think we're really gonna get to the bottom of this and the final
analysis carry absolutely not. Goo Google what happened in nineteen ninety two when Congress
tried to help it reopen the DFK assassination to take a look at a couple
of things. They went to the SI Service and requested all the information on
the murdercade and the Advanced. When the Secret Service said it's been destroyed,
that was it. They destroyed it. Nobody was all accountable. They got
rid of all the logs, all the information they got, serving to fuel
the conspiracy theories that continue to this day. Gary Byrne. It has been
a distinct pleasure to have you here on the program this morning. Thank you
for your service. Thanks for the books. They're outstanding books. And I'll
encourage my listeners to get copies of Crisis of Character as well as Secrets of
the Secret Service, which my producers linked on my blog page fifty five care
see dot com. Gary, Thanks for the thoughtful analysis this morning. Was
a real pleasure having you on the program. My pleasure to take care you
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