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Hello, and good morning you too. How are you doing good? How

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about you? Arrow? We're wonderful. Wow, that is absolutely fantastic.

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You're doing something with these diaries.
Now let me ask. I'm just gonna

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be because I am a daily writer
and I've been a daily writer since July

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of two thousand, July of nineteen
ninety four. There we go, and

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so a lot of people that I
try to help understand why you journal write,

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they stand back, going, I
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never do anything. Is this a
physical journal? Is it a diary?

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Or is it a storyline for Dark
Diary? Yes? Yes, it is

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based on the life of Nikki,
my daughter's here. Yeah, it's such

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technically, but a lot of the
stories and things are inspired by real life

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events that she experienced. See that's
what I love about it, because you

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know, a lot of people like
to hide with their writing, when in

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fact, I mean you're showing people
that, Look, there's still a lot

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of fun things that you can put
out there and share it because we have

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our own personal experiences. We can
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we're not wearing the same shoes.
And that's what's fun about writing, is

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that is that you're able to share
the experience. Very very true, very

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true. I totally agree. The
illustrations are kind of funny because we're all

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doodlers. And I love the way
I mean, I realize these are beautiful

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pictures of people, especially one of
the smartphone conversations and things, but I

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love the way that you make it
look so authentic. Oh, thank you,

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thank you so much. This is
nicky here. Well, Nikki,

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what's the concept of of having the
illustrations and things like that. Is it

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just to entertain the reader or is
it something that you were feeling at the

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time. It's a little bit of
both. I'm thinking about what the reader

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would like to see and what would
be the most entertaining in that moment.

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And I'm also chaling channeling my own
feelings and experiences to make the artwork more

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authentic. And what's funny about this? And I giggle like a child only

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because I live it. I love
the size of sometimes the spelling, like

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when you're going to stop, stop
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you're not following the rules of spelling
correctly. You're putting it in there exactly

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the way you feel it in that
moment. Yeah, correct, And I

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would add too, that the inspiration
for Dark Diaries was that NICKI has been

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journaling, probably since she was old
enough to actually write. I started out

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buying her like just a little spiral
notebooks you see in the grocery stores.

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She would inevitably sell it up to
just a few days, and to this

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day when she comes into work,
I've built a studio in my home and

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she comes in every day and works
in her art studio. She spends the

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first half an hour to an hour
of the morning journaling and writing in a

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diary, even even now, so
it's totally authentic just to her. Well,

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let's let's talk about that from one
from one journal writer to another one.

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Because I'm twenty nine years into this
journey and the question is what am

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I going to do with all of
these books when my time on earth is

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over? I'm to ask you what's
going to happen to all of that writing.

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That's a really good question. Arrow
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keep all my diaries and journals where
I can see them. Some are in

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places in the basement, and I
want to bring them out, dust them

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off, and keep them right where
they are. And then as long as

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the legacy of dork garis continues within
the family. I'd probably like to test

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them down to my family members and
inspire them to continue writing and journaling everything

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in their lives. I swear we
came from the same mold because my writing,

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all of my books are inside the
studio because there's still energy in the

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pages where the ink is, and
so you're right, I have to see

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the and I don't hide my journals. They're out in the open. Yeah.

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Yeah, same here. Well,
Mike, I have one in my

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office. It's kind of like a
plannery where I planned my day and journal

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in it too, and I fill
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And then there are also some in
in my bedroom as well, so

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it's both public and then also a
little private, depending on how I feel

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about the entry. Why dork Diaries, because you know, dork is kind

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of one of those words. And
the reason why I bring that up is

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because there have been many times and
I've said, what a dork. Quick

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quit being a dork, dude,
Just ah, come on, change it,

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Yes, exactly, And that's what
my daughter was going through. Her

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dad is like six four or so, and so she inherited his height so

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what do you five? Kay,
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five eleven, and she was always
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on up, you know, through
even high school. So she was teased

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for that. Kids you know called
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and she was bullied and made to
feel awkward to due to the fact

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that she was, you know,
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the boys even in most cases.
So that was something she said she had

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to deal with, especially through elementary
school and middle school. And by the

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time she got to high school,
all the you know kids were you know,

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getting growing into their full height,
so it wasn't quite as bad then,

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but that's something she had to deal
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write a book, I wanted it
to be something inspiring, and I thought

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if I could kind of capture some
of the anguish that Nicki and even her

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sister, to a certain esent,
we're going through growing up and put that

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out in the world and add a
little humor and show that there's hope and

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that their kids just need to hang
in there and things will get better,

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and that there's other kids out there
that they can be friends with that are

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kind is, that will value them
and you know, be of friends for

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them. So that was my goal
with Dirk Diaries was to capture, you

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know, some of the experiences that
NICKI was having, put it out there

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with humor, and then have it
be an inspiration to kids. And I

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think it works. We're like at
fifty five million copies and forty six countries

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and forty two languages, so Georg
Dowry has gone all the way around the

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world and kids they're reading it all
over the world. I truly understand why

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by inspiring kids to write, That's
always been one of my arguments with teachers.

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It's like, I understand you're sharing, you know, the ideas on

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why they should read and why they
should read this and read this, But

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if they don't learn how to put
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and write their own stories, they're
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journey. I totally agree. I
totally agree with you. So now,

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Nikki, just between us two here, because we're journaling, does your mom

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journal I mean, is your mom
journaling too? And do you get to

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read her stuff? No? Probably
not as much as me. I'm a

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real journal had I do it pretty
much daily. Yes, I don't.

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I'm so busy, you know,
you know, the books, you know

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whatever. But so yeah, Nick, nikki diary is enough for me and

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herself definitely, you know. And
that's why I've chose the whole diary format

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because both her and her sister,
you know, love journaling. But like

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the Nikki does it to this day, so Nikki backs well. Writing in

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a diary is basically my daughter,
Nikki writing in a diary. And if

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I could quickly add, I've really
gotten into the Q and A a day.

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Yes, I'm journaling dingy where you
answer one question a day and it

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asks you each year for about five
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I've gotten into that lately and I
do it almost daily. It's a

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lot of fun. I love doing
that as well. And I call that

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defragging because we defrag a computer,
why can't we defrag our mind, body

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and soul as well? But you're
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the answers. You're so spot on
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I do fit out and you know, try to take time. My favorite

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journaling is gratitude journalist. I like
even if it's just a little list of

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five things or ten things that I'm
totally grateful for. So that's that would

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be my favorite format. And it's
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part about dork Diary is this particular
journey. It says, tales from a

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not so posh Paris adventure. The
fact that you that you were writing while

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you were out and about. I
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It's almost like we are making the
map for future readers to say, this

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is where we were, this is
what I experienced. It didn't go so

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perfect, but I'm going to share
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Totally correct, definitely. But to
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I mean we all like taking trips, like for instance, like if

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I go on a camping trip,
I've got all my journals with me and

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I'll sit there next to the campfire
writing away. And that's what I feel

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when when you're you're in Paris inside
this book, it's like, oh my

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god, she's doing exactly what I
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Yes, and then you capture the
good, the best, the ugly,

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the wonderful, the humorous, just
any and everything you know that moves

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you. You can record it.
Are you using a writing instrument in any

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or are you are you typing it
all out? So I do the good

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old fashioned tin and paper. There's
just something so cathartic about it. That's

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my favorite. Although sometimes I wonder
what it's like to do it on the

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computer because with pen and paper you
sometimes make mistakes and have to sketch stuff

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out, But with the computer it's
easy to delete and start afresh. So

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I think considering computer lately, well, Julia Cameron from The Artist Way says,

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that's when the perfectionist is going to
step in, and the things that

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you wanted to say, you're just
going to keep e racing and going back

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and you're never gonna get done with
your three pages that day. Oh well,

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maybe I should just stick the pen
and paper. Then, but you

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have books. She actually writes the
books. It's feels more authentic that way

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for me. Do you have a
favorite kind of journal? Be because I

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mean I I am one of those
people. I have one of those gigantic

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art books. That's the paper I
like because my left hand has got to

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be cuddled up to the texture of
that page while I'm writing. Does paper

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is it important to you as well? Yes? So one of my favorite

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things to do is go to stores
where they have journals, just leave you

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all of them and admire the covers
and the pape format. All of that

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matters to me as well. I
like getting journals that look really, really

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nice on the cover. The cover
looks so nice and the pages have just

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enough lines for me to write as
much as I need to because I write

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a lot, and I also like
to skip lines that way. There follow

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the entry. The last theory that
was it oversized? Wasn't it kind of

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large? Yeah? One that came
in Yeah, yes, oh yes,

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it was so beautiful. I'm like
Nikki, I so I her diary.

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Hope Prompts decided it too. The
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which was good, and it was
so beautiful. I want what. I

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ended up buying the exact same thing, and they are. They were oversized

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and they reminded me of art books. But it was like a textured leather

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cover or it was just gorgeous and
beautiful just to look at. Do you

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ever have those moments when you go
into the store, and and when when

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you're purchasing the journal, it's it's
like they sit there and they make a

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comment, and inside your mind you
go, you have no idea, what's

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about ready to grow inside these pages? Yeah, a lot of thought goes

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into what you put into your journal. So yes, yeah, are you

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expecting people to reach out to you
and and and talk about their own journals?

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Order how can I get started?
Because this seems to be such an

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interaction type of book. Actually,
we have two books that are set up

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to encourage kids to start keeping their
own eyes diary. Our fourth book is

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How to Dork Your Diary, and
it's a story about Nikki losing her diary

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and having to start over, and
when she's starting over, she explains the

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process to kids. And then that
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are blank for kids to start their
own diary. And then we made a

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daily journal and that like book seven
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And that book is an annual calendar. In each day there's a journal entry,

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there's a quote kind of the Q
and a where there's either a topic

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that you discussed or there's a question
to ask, and there's stree hundred and

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sixty five of those in there.
But each journal also has three sections,

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so you can come back the following
year and answer the questions again, and

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then answer the third year, and
then when you look back you can see,

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you know, how you've grown,
it's the same, or what's changed

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and what's not. So we have
two books that are Door Diary's branded books

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that encourage kids to keep diaries and
to journal and all of that, so

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that is not only loving the series, they can immerse themselves in the whole

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diary process as well. How how
old are you, Nikki? Because and

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the reason why is because we've all
endured a lot in the past ten to

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twenty years. And it's like,
I mean, as journal writers, we

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document history. And when you talk
about going back three years and things like

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that, we can learn a lot
from how we grew through the storms that

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were around us that we had no
control over, but yet as writers we

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still documented it. Yes, so
I am thirty eight years young, and

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I've seen a lot and I've heard
a lot, and it's great to have

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a place to share all my feelings
and observations in a diary. Yeah,

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because I mean I was writing what
during nine to eleven and to go back

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there and to read it and to
relive it, My god, I mean,

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I don't understand how it didn't affect
me even more than what it did,

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because in my present place at sixty
one, the emotion that was put

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into the page, yes, oh
yes, yeah, there are very emotive

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entries as I look back and everything
I went for you as well, it

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truly is, and you relive it
all as you read it? Do?

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You write in third person? And
the reason why I bring that up is

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because when you're sitting here is Brandon
and Nikki, don't you dare just sit

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there alone? Come and join us? I mean, all of a sudden,

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it's like, Okay, that's your
own little world that you've created,

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and it's like to me that I
love it when you can take it to

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another level. So I write in
first person, just like Niki does,

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and it just helps me to rehash
everything from my perspective. What about you,

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Aero? Well, I what There
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many different journals, there are times
where it's just me writing, Like like

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when I defrag, it's it's me
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But then there are times that because
I take it and I put them

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into podcasts, I think about that
listener while I'm writing because I don't want

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it to be all about what I'm
doing and so so therefore that so I

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take it to that kind of a
level. M Okay, very cool.

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Now. One of my favorite parts
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with Mackenzie as a journal writer.
Did you ever did you ever, in

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your own writing way put a curse
on somebody? Because I'm guilty of that,

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Matt way, I'm coming through radio, I put a curse on people,

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and it's like, don't do that. So I admit, when I'm

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really really upset, sometimes I do
what Nikki does. I can criticize myself,

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and looking back, I realized I
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I was just really really disapproving of
myself in that moment. So it also

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hurts to put yourself down, and
you need to be in the root of

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also building yourself up, because you
need yourself to pull yourself out of that

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valley in that slump. Some of
the times when I write in my diary,

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I feel very upset, and the
very best way to get out of

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feeling upset is to think positive.
It's not always easy, but it does

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help. Well do you do you
use what I call hidden speak In other

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words, even though you do have
that negative vibration, even for you,

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Rachel, is that you use the
power of positive thinking to create a sentence

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to kind of refuel your thought process
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thinking. So in other words,
you you basically you know you you hiddn't

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speak it. In other words,
you don't speak it out the way it

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really is. You kind of just
rewrite it because winning is a choice exactly.

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And then I think, I there're
a lot of feedback. Nicky Maxwell

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a lot of times will say something
and it will be the truth, it

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will be how she feels. But
she ends it with, but I just

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said it inside my head, so
nobody heard It'll tell Mackenzie, Mackenzie,

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will you please be quiet. I'm
tired of you putting people down. I'm

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tired of you be selfish. Just
be quiet and just you know, quit

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harassing people. And that's what she
will write in her diary. But then

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she said, but I just said
that in my head and nobody else heard

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it except me. So that's how
she's able to vent. Sometimes she'll say

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exactly what she's thinking, but she
would never say it out. Well,

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she's not quite that. I totally
agree with that. And then what is

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it The experts say that we should
just write it out and then just throw

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it away. I don't. I
don't have the courage to throw it away.

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I want to. I'm going to
hold onto it a different head,

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jo, so hold it in your
congratulations on Dork Diaries Tales from a not

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so posh Paris Adventure. I please
come back to this show anytime in the

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future. The door is always going
to be open for you. Well,

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thank you, Errol Andoy speaking with
you, it's the same here. You'd

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be brilliant today. Okay, thank
you. We'll try the same to you

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then. Great day.
