WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.799 It's time to talk for it's time for the show. You hear this song 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:17.640 on the radio, It's better racks fast. Let me get that photograph. 3 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:26.800 Sports talk Radio starting now and what's up everybody, and welcomed episode one hundred 4 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.800 and ninety six. Let me get that potograph. My name, of course 5 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.479 is Drew or the d eight. She joining me my awesome co host, 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:40.039 missus scot Rappa fo what's up, buddy? What's going on? Man? 7 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.719 So A lot a lot? Yeah, I will say, you know what, 8 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:48.479 dude, I'm so's episode one ninety six. I have a little bit 9 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:55.520 pissed off at the NFLPA right now. Yeah, because episode they could have 10 00:00:55.600 --> 00:01:00.399 waited like four more weeks to pull this shit. Yeah, it would have 11 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.079 made for a great two hundredth episode. Oh yeah, no, big absolutely, 12 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.159 But we would have needed a couple of days in advance to have, 13 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.760 you know, to get like a good panel on, you know, to 14 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.159 really discuss it. Because but yeah, it would have been nice if they 15 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.640 had thought of us a little bit, especially since I know someone that works 16 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.280 there. Well, we would have had we would have had the panel already 17 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:29.400 set up, yeah for that And now it's like a crap and nobody, 18 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.719 and nobody wants to go on and you know, talk about it because nobody 19 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.079 knows, you know, And let me rephrase that, nobody who knows anything 20 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:41.280 right is going to come on and discuss what's going on. Yes, absolutely, 21 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:44.959 but we have a speculation exactly, and we're gonna be speculating the hell 22 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.799 out of it too. We do have some updates though, that have popped 23 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:49.280 out. We will get to that in a little while. But I do 24 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.200 want to say that we had we had one other segment that we were gonna 25 00:01:53.239 --> 00:02:00.640 do, right, and we're still gonna do it because that's how we roll. 26 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.239 So if you guys want to hear our take on the NFLPA and Panini 27 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.080 and all the crap that's going on that's happened in the last you know, 28 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:10.560 twenty four hours, you're gonna have to wait. Yeah, I have to 29 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:15.759 wait a few minutes because this would have been this would have actually been the 30 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:21.479 story of the month. Yeah, I think so, had had that not 31 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:28.400 happened. And for those that don't know, I'm talking about some flawless NBA 32 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:32.840 cases that were opened. Yes that cards that have appeared that appeared in these 33 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:39.439 cases have already appeared and been sold elsewhere. Yep, we've got resealed, 34 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:45.800 flawless cases. And now this isn't like the situation where we had that duplicate 35 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.840 Mark Jackson one of them where the patch was different. No, these are 36 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:54.599 the exact cards. Yes, these are the exact cards, so Drew, 37 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.840 why don't you get into the details on that. Yeah, absolutely, So 38 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:05.280 this was originally pulled by well, it was originally pulled I believe, yes, 39 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:10.439 Okay, So it was sold on eBay's version or China's version of eBay. 40 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.560 It's cardhobby dot com of it's a very popular auction site, especially for 41 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:20.639 people overseas. It was sold on July first. It was a Brook Lopez 42 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:28.120 National Treasures RPA patch. Then it was pulled from a break a month and 43 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.639 two weeks to the date. Yeah, yeah, six weeks exactly later, 44 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:37.879 on August fifteenth, twenty twenty three, it was pulled in yet another break. 45 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.840 So and since then they've also found because this was from multiple cases, 46 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:49.080 I think they found now over ten cards that have been sold that were in 47 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:53.759 these boxes and these boxes, which this is the kicker. You know, 48 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:58.039 it's easy to reseal, for someone to make a fake case and reseal it 49 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:01.879 and sell it to just another breaker, you know, just a nobody type 50 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:08.120 of deal. But this was actually these cases were sold to this breaker and 51 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:15.719 he provided the purchase slip from David Adams. Which that's what makes this so 52 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.560 much different than someone at home just making a case, sealing it up like 53 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:23.319 crap and then pawning it off on a breaker who knows no better. This 54 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:27.040 is a group, this is a company who literally has air quote here, 55 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:32.959 experts that look at this stuff. And yet multiple fake cases just too that 56 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:39.519 we already know of. We're sold by David Adams. Okay, now I 57 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:44.240 do want to preface this with we have the purchase receipt that's been shown. 58 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.240 You've got the cases that were obviously resealed because cards that came out of them 59 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:54.160 were you know, we're sold prior to this break actually happening. Yes, 60 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.279 what we don't know is and this is this is you know the tricky part. 61 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.160 Were those the ex act cases that David Adams shipped? Now it's very 62 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:08.720 possible that the guy is sitting on X number of cases, Yeah that you 63 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:13.319 know, it's possible David Adams shipped them different cases than what we're open without 64 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.160 seeing and I haven't seen the full video without seeing the full video of him, 65 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.600 and he would even have to open the actual case box and not just 66 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:23.480 the boxes. Then they'd be able to match up, you know, the 67 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.959 numbers to see if they were those actual cases. There's a way to find 68 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.319 that out, but only if he did that on video, which putting that 69 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:38.079 massive box on video right a little difficult to do. But but this is 70 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:43.920 a very reputable person in the hobby. And the big telling point on these 71 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:49.680 was the seal on National Treasure's boxes. It's very, very very easy to 72 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:55.319 tell the seal. It gets plainly obvious on these. It looked like they 73 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:59.399 had a little a little try and made it made it too perfect. It 74 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.560 made it so the seal wasn't visible at all, so you couldn't there basically 75 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.680 was no seal, almost like it was vacuum sealed or something. It was. 76 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.839 It was different. Yeah, it was a different seal altogether. And 77 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.759 then add in the fact that the Brooklopez is there, it's the same one 78 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:17.639 it's put in. Then they find other cards that were sold on these multiple 79 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:23.240 different platforms, and you know, that's basically how it was found out that 80 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.639 these were sealed now you know, David Adams, they buy tons off the 81 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:31.399 secondary market, right always. But I go back to this, they have 82 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:38.439 experts. This is not selling like me just buying a case at a show 83 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.240 and then selling it to the hobby shop that I sell cases to all the 84 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:47.240 time. This is a company that literally provides, I mean basically almost really 85 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:54.040 a guarantee that what you should be expecting is legitimate, real product. And 86 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:59.480 this stuff's getting by them. I mean, come on, there are so 87 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:05.720 many years on so many different levels with this particular item and how to unpack 88 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:10.720 it because again there's a lot that we don't know, you know, where 89 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.720 did I'm pretty sure that it wasn't David Adams that resealed the back. No, 90 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:20.000 I'm saying, but you know who did they buy it from? And 91 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:26.560 and honestly having having a card that's sold on we'll call it Chinese eBay because 92 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:30.279 it's like it's just easier to say it that way. Yeah, for to 93 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:34.480 have a card sold on Chinese eBay and then shipped to whoever purchased it and 94 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:41.240 have it show up in a reap in a resealed case six weeks later, 95 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:47.759 yeah, probably even probably even shorter than that. In China too. Yeah, 96 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:51.759 so the card got shipped from the person who bought it, got resealed 97 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:57.000 in the case, sold to David Adams, shipped to China, and then 98 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.240 open and then open all within a six weeks. Yes, so I don't 99 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.680 know something about that timeline. No, especially knowing how long it takes stuff 100 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.240 to get back and forth and right, you know it all the process behind 101 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.000 it and things like that. That is a very short period of time. 102 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.759 Well, I mean that shows me that this is an active This isn't a 103 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.959 one off type of you know, just spream an idea. This is an 104 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.920 actual like operation. This shows me that this is not These are not the 105 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:30.240 only two cases. At least, if I had to put all my money 106 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:33.279 that I have on one of the sides, I'm putting it on the fact 107 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.320 that this is an operation. If you're able to get that out and get 108 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.399 that done that quick, I mean, obviously you don't care about selling the 109 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.919 case to David Adams at they're low buying price. You know, they're I 110 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.919 think they're offering to pay seventeen hundred, which is crazy low, but you'd 111 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.799 expect it to be for them. But if it's a resealed case, that 112 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:56.120 you know you're making bank on anyway. Yeah, if you got ducks, 113 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.200 you've got three hundred bucks where the cards in there? Exactually, you know, 114 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.480 selling for seven hundred is it's a great deal. So I firmly believe 115 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.159 that this is part of an operation. And I think these are the same 116 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.399 type of people that are probably involved in the trimming stuff in the in all 117 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.000 of the scandals and the type of stuff that we have seen in a long 118 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.240 time. I absolutely think these people are connected. They work together. Yeah, 119 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.559 I'll put my tinfoil hat on if I need to, But I mean 120 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.600 this screams to me operation, and it looks like they it looks like they 121 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.840 figured out a way to funnel them through David Adams. Now, I know 122 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.320 the people and Blowout and the Blowout detectives, who are the best in the 123 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:43.080 world are probably gonna scrutinize David adams sales and boxes and anything they can to 124 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.360 death and find out information that I wouldn't even know how to find. And 125 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.879 maybe we'll get more information on this, but it seems like they found a 126 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:56.159 way to funnel these cases through David Adams. Yeah, and that's the honestly, 127 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.720 that's the disturbing part, right because typically, you know, David Adams, 128 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.440 blow out Steel City, Chicagoland, any of the other major distributors and 129 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.120 things like that, You've always had that feeling of safety when you buy the 130 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.320 products from them. Yeah, is that it's it's legit, it's you know, 131 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.480 it's gonna come, it's not it hasn't been opened, it hasn't been 132 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.720 tampered with. And now all of a sudden that's not the case anymore. 133 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:24.639 Yeah, So hopefully not only David Adams, but also you know every other 134 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:26.600 one that I mentioned is going to go through and you know, look at 135 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.240 all the cases and things like that that they've purchased on the secondary market, 136 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.639 not from a distributor, not from you know, direct, and really scrutinize 137 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.080 you know, everything they've got that falls into that category and says, okay, 138 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.919 well, you know, is this good? Is this sketchy? I 139 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.919 mean, this isn't high end stuff, dude, This isn't you know, 140 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.720 this isn't origins, this isn't chronicles, this is flawless. This is a 141 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.840 lot of money. I mean, you've got to be able to make sure 142 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.440 that those are legit. Shit like that cannot slide by and it's not the 143 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.639 first time. I mean, as soon as I posted something on socials this 144 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:09.519 week talking about that and multiple people commenting about their own experiences of getting resealed 145 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:15.879 boxes other issues with David Adams. This is not their first go around with 146 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:20.919 all this, which makes it all the more concerning and just baffles me how 147 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:26.759 they still remain one of the biggest, you know, secondary market distributors out 148 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.000 there. Yeah, I'm still a little in shock that this was able to, 149 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:33.039 you know, be pulled off in the first place. Me too. 150 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:39.200 In six weeks especially, that's that's a that's a massively efficient organization. That's 151 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.639 and that's the crazy part is it's the whole this was done in you know, 152 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.879 in and it had to be less than six weeks because you know, 153 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.840 all the other cards that got you know, they were sold and shipped off. 154 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:58.399 Six weeks is the beginning to end of when the Brook Lopez sold as 155 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:05.240 an individual card and when it appeared. I'm assuming that's probably the last card 156 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:11.120 they bought, because I can't see him buying them later because now I'd have 157 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.759 to look. There is details of windows were sold, but I would assume 158 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.000 that's the last card it had to have been because like, like we said, 159 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.919 you've got a six week turnaround time and international shipping multiple times yea, 160 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:28.120 and chances are the cases are being you know, they're being overnighted. Oh 161 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.840 yeah, of course, something of that value is always gonna be overnight, 162 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:35.679 so I mean you're not looking at but still overnight international it's usually like two 163 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.759 days. But the like, how many dry runs did they have to go 164 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:45.000 through to get the ceiling or the receiling of this right? Well they didn't 165 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.320 get it right, I mean, but the big problem they did fail. 166 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:50.600 So maybe you know, this might have been their first run, which makes 167 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.120 it even scarier. If this was their first run, they got it by 168 00:12:54.159 --> 00:13:00.399 David Adams with a seal that was blatantly obvious, not the exact same every 169 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.639 other flawless case they would see. And hopefully, hopefully David Adams has a 170 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:11.440 record of that exact case and who they bought it from, because that is 171 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:16.039 going to be the undoing of it. But did they buy a whole bunch 172 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.799 of cases from a whole bunch of people and they all got mixed in together 173 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.360 and they don't know where they which one sold them, which would not put 174 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.360 it past them. One bit. And frankly, if I if I were 175 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.559 in there's I don't know if I, you know, if I bought twenty 176 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.320 cases from twenty different people, you know, over the course of a you 177 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.759 know, a couple week period, I don't know if I would mark each 178 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.399 one of those cases as to which one came from which person. You know, 179 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.080 they'd go into a stack with all the other sealed cases you know that 180 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:46.279 I've got, And so I wouldn't fault them for not knowing if that's the 181 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.039 case. But if they only bought one or two during that during that time 182 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.919 period, then you got it narrowed down who it is. Yeah. Yeah, 183 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.200 But and no matter what I mean this, well, not necessarily, 184 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.519 because they're gonna have to they're gonna have to send a check somewhere, they're 185 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.480 gonna have to or wire money somewhere. There's got to be a real name 186 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.159 connected to it somehow. Yeah, we'll hopefully find out. Yeah, I 187 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.919 hope so, because that's definitely disturbing when you know, high end product like 188 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.960 that on like I said, one of the biggest secondary markets in the world. 189 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.879 When it's able to be on there that quick, that easily, that's 190 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.559 that's a problem for the hobby, and that's a problem for a lot of 191 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:33.279 buyers. And so being all I can say right now is if you're buying 192 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.759 high end, at least from David Adams, I would stay away from basketball, 193 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.879 and I would probably check some of my cases before I bought them. 194 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.320 I would probably buy only buy them in person. At at this moment, 195 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.759 I mean, yeah, And as far as we know, there haven't been 196 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:52.000 any other cases from any other you know, any of the other distribution was 197 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.960 twenty twenty two, so that's the year that it was too. It's not 198 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.240 multiple years yet. It is twenty twenty one, twenty two, which is 199 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.960 obviously a big year for Flawless. But well, but I don't think twenty 200 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.519 two twenty three Flawless has come out yet, right, That's what I'm saying. 201 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.840 So, but I'm saying it hasn't trickled down into you know, Luca 202 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:15.720 Year and all that stuff, and that we know that we know, yeah, 203 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.519 that we know of that we know of yet. But we'll see what 204 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.080 happens with that. But now, Scott drum Roll, time to get to 205 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.600 the topic that I think everyone in the world probably wants to well, is 206 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.440 speculating about and talking about and guys, like I said, this is gonna 207 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.639 be we're gonna preface this. Thank you guys who were tuning in on YouTube, 208 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.440 but we're gonna preface this with this is obviously a lot of speculation. 209 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.960 There are updates. We do have some updates. I have spoken with some 210 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.240 people and some updates have come out publicly. We'll get to those here shortly. 211 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.679 But there's gonna be a lot of speculation involved here. As of course, 212 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.879 we're talking about the big news that drop yesterday and sent the hobby war 213 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:07.960 throwed into a frenzy with the NFL Players Association yanking the license from Pannini a 214 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:14.519 good three years early and giving it immediately. And this is very important and 215 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:18.600 I'll get to that in a moment. Giving it immediately two fanatics, yep, 216 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.159 Now this is this creates a problem. So as of right now, 217 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.639 just so wee time stamped for those that are listening on the podcast when it 218 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.519 comes you know, the audio comes out in a couple of days or you 219 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.559 know, within a day or whatever. It is eleven twenty four am Central 220 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:38.240 Time on Tuesday, the twenty second. Yeah, so as of right now, 221 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:44.840 Pannini has not filed anything as far as a counter you know, lawsuit 222 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:49.279 or anything like that to put an injunction on the NFLPA pulling the contract. 223 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.840 I expect them to. I also expect was getting to that. I was 224 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.039 gonna say that they are most likely, you know, the lawyers are most 225 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:02.720 likely working on the language in that right now, and I would not shock 226 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:07.039 me if it is filed at some point today. I was gonna say, 227 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.759 by the time this audio gets out, I would assume that it would be. 228 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.960 Yeah, now, this thing that just gets weirder and weird about the 229 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.200 minute. So the Players Association pulls the contract, and they didn't give a 230 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.839 reason as to why, they just made a statement that they did it. 231 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.960 And so at that point, the only reason they'd be or the only way 232 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.599 they'd be able to end the contract early is if Pennini violated the terms of 233 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.000 the contract in some way. Yes, now, before you do go on 234 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:40.000 with that. These contracts are full of massive loopholes and are normally very poorly 235 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.720 written, which is how athletes like we were talking about with the bow Nickel 236 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:48.039 situation, are able to get away with contracts if they have them, which 237 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.359 we still don't know on bo but they're able to get away with not signing 238 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:55.559 for thirteen years. There are tons of loopholes in these contracts. Yeah, 239 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:00.039 so somewhere along the line, Players Association found a loophole and we should and 240 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.720 the Players Association is does have an equity stake in Fanatics, thank you. 241 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.400 So not a surprise that, you know, they were trying to get out 242 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.960 of it earlier, because there's more money at Steak with Fanatics than there is 243 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:17.240 with Panini. And that's what I've been saying for a long time that Panini 244 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.920 should have sold, you know, as soon as they lost the contracts, 245 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:26.279 because the period of time for Fanatics to make more money shrinks every you know, 246 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.319 every day. Well, I think also what kicked off all of this, 247 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:34.240 I mean, let's be honest, is Panini rebuking that first deal. 248 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:41.200 I think that when Fanatics tried to buy them and Panini initially and Panini said, 249 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:42.839 you know, thought, hey, we're gonna be able to fight this, 250 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:47.039 we can fight the beast. I think when they said no, that's 251 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.440 when the gloves came off. And that I mean you kind of see it 252 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:55.000 in the timeline around when that was initially said. Than what happens to Mint 253 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.359 et cetera et cetera. Now we're here. Now we've got the NFL Players 254 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:03.799 Association doing something, and that makes things a little bit interesting though, because 255 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.400 and that might be the reason why Panini hasn't filed for an injunction yet that 256 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:12.599 brings up a tampering case as well. Because so if that is the case 257 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.880 that, you know, because Panini rebuked the deal, all of a sudden, 258 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.960 you see things like this happening, it could be argued that Fanatics is 259 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:26.720 tampering with their business right and if that can be especially with the Players Association 260 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.039 having an equity stake, you know, within Fanatics, that brings up you 261 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.519 know, there's collusion involved. There's I mean, if you look at the 262 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.799 timeline, it matches up perfectly. Once again, just just saying if that 263 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.359 is a reason, I do want to read before we go any further. 264 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.640 First, the NFL players Association's statement for those of you that haven't heard it, 265 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.839 so, it says NFL Players ant is terminated as trading card agreement with 266 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:56.880 Panini, effective immediately. Fanatics has the exclusive right to make NFLPA branded trading 267 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:03.559 cards. This decision has no impact on any individual players contractual agreements with Pani. 268 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:11.519 If you represent any any players with an existing Panini agreement. The NFLPA 269 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.279 recommends I hate that they use that word. Yeah, that you encourage I 270 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:21.759 hate that the players to fulfill his contractual commitments to Pani. If you have 271 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.519 any questions, please contact or adact it. This was sent out to all 272 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.440 agents and people like that. Right and now I'm gonna go ahead. Another 273 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.200 update, Panini actually did release a statement this morning. Yes, so this 274 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.759 is the statement that they had released. We believe this was totally unwarranted and 275 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:45.000 improper action by the NFL Players Association in conjunction with Fanatics, especially in light 276 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.920 of the unprecedented sales by Panini of NFL trading cards. Panini has grown the 277 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.920 category of sports trading cards by over a thousand percent since two thousand and nine 278 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:57.839 to the benefit of all concerned. We believe the only party who benefits from 279 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.519 this action by the NFL Players Association is fanatics and not the players, the 280 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.839 leagues, or consumers. We note that, in addition to the NFL Players 281 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:12.079 Association license, Panini has licenses with the NFL and over three hundred and sixty 282 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:18.960 individual players. Panini will honor all of its contractual obligations that was just want 283 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:23.440 to give credit. That was posted by Darren Rovel this morning, very early, 284 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.119 so he must have been up all night working on that. Yeah, 285 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.000 yeah, he didn't sleep last night. So and now Panini's statement brings up 286 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.400 kind of where I wanted to go next. So now let's just say that 287 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:45.039 Fanatics is successful in sneaking away the Players Association license early and is able to 288 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:52.759 make Players Association licensed cards. Yes, Panini still owns the NFL contract. 289 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.799 And yeah, so now all of a sudden, you have a situation where 290 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:03.000 Fanatics would be making players or you know, cards with players that don't have 291 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:07.079 team logos or team names, kind of like Panini was doing with baseball up 292 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.240 until the players, which look everybody bitched and moaned about all I'm never not 293 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.920 buying Panini baseball because it's unlicensed, and I hate the term unlicensed because it 294 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:21.559 is licensed. It is, yet just by the Players Association, not buy 295 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.680 in the league. So now all of a sudden you have so you have 296 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:29.880 that situation, but then you have Panini, who has the NFL license. 297 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.960 They're able to make cards using the logos and team names but not the players. 298 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:40.960 Yeah, so well it well, but here's the but here's the thing 299 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.640 that here's the thing that I don't think I have never heard anybody mentioned this 300 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.480 before. As far as I know, I'm the only person that is bringing 301 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.119 this up. If Panini is not able to produce the quantity of cards and 302 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:57.720 the number of sets per the NFL contract, the NFL can then claim that 303 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.400 Pennini has violated the terms of the contract because they're not producing to the level 304 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.799 that they are supposed to buy the contract right and then pull the contract, 305 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.960 well, they can, but Panini also has to pay for that contract, 306 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.160 and they pay for they pay a decent amount like that they actually have to 307 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.240 pay in And I wouldn't pay a damn scent to that at this moment. 308 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.559 But I mean, you're you're absolutely right. I don't know what's going to 309 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.839 happen with It's so weird if we do have cards, because there's multiple different 310 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.640 situations that can come out of this, and if we do have cards, 311 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:36.759 they're all gonna be some type of unlicensed And as you can see right here 312 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:42.960 and Darren Ravelle's tweet earlier, he's even stating that the NFL Players Association is 313 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.839 saying that Pannini is no longer considered having a group relationship, and when you 314 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:55.039 don't have that group relationship, you can't put out a product with more than 315 00:23:55.160 --> 00:24:00.599 five players in it. So there's that's where the Union looks at these agreements 316 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.680 with Pania, and it's well, and it's not just Panini. I do 317 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.160 want to point out that Dez Bryant, who is a member of the Players 318 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:12.599 Association, was going to release a trading card product of his own, and 319 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.920 I believe he was going to launch it at a fantasy football event coming up 320 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:22.000 in the couple of weeks, and the Players Association sent him a little reminder 321 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:27.319 and I'll use air quotes reminder email that hey, if you've got six or 322 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:32.519 more players you know that are represented in this set, you can't do it 323 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.400 without a license. Yeah. So they're and they're saying that's one of their 324 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.519 members. So at least they're at least they're being fair across the board, 325 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.079 you know, and how they're and how they're coming after things. But I'm 326 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:47.519 wondering if this was the first shot. I'm wondering if the language in the 327 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:53.000 Players Association contract with Panini gave them different outs and different loopholes than were present 328 00:24:53.079 --> 00:25:00.880 in the NFL contract. Yeah, but by losing the Players Associate that would 329 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:07.720 really really in the you know, Panini's ability to produce cards with players on 330 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:14.039 them will have an effect that will give the NFL the chance to pull their 331 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.799 license early as well. Well. I think that's one thousand percent what their 332 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.640 angle was on this. I think one it was to pull that license, 333 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.920 make it to where it looks like, okay, look at the landscape and 334 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.559 what we're talking about, look at what your options are here, and then 335 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.559 also have, like you said, pull that language in the contract where the 336 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:41.240 NFL could essentially do the exact same thing, or if not, that even 337 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.559 forced Panini to say, Okay, now it's equity is incredibly small. Do 338 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.720 we just move it? You know, like we do we try and do 339 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:55.559 something with it. So I absolutely think that that was their reasoning and doing 340 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.759 it. My biggest issue with the NFL Players Association on this, and I 341 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:04.279 have a big issue with this, is I one thousand percent believe that unless 342 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:07.880 with a couple of things I'm going to talk about later, unless some of 343 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:14.160 this is true, if they just straight up decided to find some loophole and 344 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:19.960 there wasn't a legit reason Panini didn't do anything you know that would legitimately violate 345 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.960 and give them reason to say, hey, let's cut ties to cut ties 346 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:32.319 and immediately give it to a company that you have a greater financial incentive to 347 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:37.240 give it to. Yeah, that is a fucked up way to negotiate, 348 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.960 especially for a company that is a group that is literally all they do is 349 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:45.839 negotiate. I mean, that's all the Players of the Association is, and 350 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.720 that's how you're going to handle things. If even if I'm fanatics, I'm 351 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.160 looking at it and saying, well, shit, I know we can't be 352 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.400 beating any other thing. But if someone comes along with billions of dollars Jeff 353 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:02.400 Bezos or someone wants to you know, decide to jump in in a decade, 354 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.160 what's to say they're not going to do it to us? Like, 355 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.480 how does the NFL look at this and say, damn, they're gonna pull 356 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:12.359 this? What are they gonna pull it? Negotiations Like that's a that's a 357 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:18.119 messed up way of doing things, and that like I have a major problem 358 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:25.359 with how the NFL Players Association put this out and they're wording with they recommend 359 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:30.839 that you encourage your players to fulfill their contractual obligations, basically saying they don't 360 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.359 have to, but please do, instead of, you know, firmly saying, 361 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.759 make sure your dudes own up to their ship. Yeah, and I 362 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:45.000 think they and they could have said that they should. I think the only 363 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:51.160 reason they put the language in there as they did was so Panini couldn't come 364 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.960 after him and say that they didn't. Hey, you're tampering. You're tampering 365 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.759 not only with your contract, but you're tampering with three hundred and sixty in 366 00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.799 the dual player contracts, you know, and it's giving the They still want 367 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.920 to give the players the impression that their individual contracts have nothing to do with 368 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:12.279 the players Association contracts, which they don't, and and happened that that's there. 369 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.720 I do want to point out, though, that we don't know what 370 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.480 the hill is going on, Like, we don't know what's going to happen 371 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.519 with you know, the cards that are like their cards that have been produced, 372 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.160 they just haven't release. There's Well, that's what I wanted to get 373 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:33.480 to because I've spoken with the NFL Players Association and I've also I've spoken to 374 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.960 some people at Pannini and Fanatics, but not to the level that I have 375 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.680 at the Players Association and I asked one question, I said, and it 376 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.960 was based off of Darren Ravelle, who was I think live with King Golden 377 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.880 and he mentioned he said that he thinks that there won't be any NFL trading 378 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.920 cards this year. So I messaged the I message someone that I know in 379 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.960 the Players Association. They got back to me there. I asked them one 380 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.559 question. I said, I know you can't get into much detail, but 381 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.279 is there a possibility that we go a year without having NFL football cards? 382 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.200 And he said, there are multiple possibilities at this moment, but yes, 383 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:19.960 that is an option. So there is the possibility that they cut off and 384 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:25.960 products that are already packed out everything do not get put out. Now, 385 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.000 I will say, I do know that card shops have been build for Luminance 386 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.599 and don rust Elite, and that's it. Everything else was to be build 387 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:41.480 starting this week, and so I would assume Luminants, I would assume. 388 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.799 I mean Panini has first off the line coming out today, so I'm assuming 389 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.240 they're letting them unless they just decide to start doing refunds today. I haven't 390 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.039 heard that from card shops yet, but unless they start doing refunds. I 391 00:29:53.039 --> 00:30:00.480 would assume those products come out, but there is a very very good possibility 392 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.839 that there's just a hard stop on NFL cards this year and there's nothing by 393 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.079 anybody. I mean, yeah, Bowman can come out in your NIL deals 394 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.599 and stuff like that, but in terms of NFL, no, it could 395 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:18.160 be cut off and it that is a possibility depending on where this goes next. 396 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.160 All right, so right now, I just pulled up a Ninia's website. 397 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.000 Right now, they've got twenty twenty two in cased that Yeah, it 398 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:30.839 comes off line is live on Thursday, twenty twenty three. Elite, Yeah, 399 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.079 is popping off. Now, that's the last that's been build to any 400 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:41.920 lcs from now twenty twenty. Now here's the thing though, twenty twenty two 401 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.680 products. So in case, I would assume that's gonna come out because it's 402 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:49.000 a twenty twenty two product. But for Elite, I'm curious because the countdown 403 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.400 is still on. It's still on the website. As you know. First 404 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.000 off Line is coming out in a couple of days. We're gonna have to 405 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.279 keep an eye on that because what's going to determine on if they file that 406 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.720 in junction, which I think they're going to by the time this episode hits 407 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.960 the pod waves. Oh, they have and they have to. But well, 408 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.400 if and whether both here's a question, is it going to be a 409 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:12.440 successful injunction? Right? That's gonna you know, and it's very possible a 410 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.440 judge may have a conversation with both sides and it may take a week to 411 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.279 come to a decision on whether or not he's going to issue an injunction to 412 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.359 force the Players Association to honor the terms of the contract with Panini. Yeah. 413 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.480 Now, I can also report that distributors were set to have meetings with 414 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:37.759 both Panini and Fanatics today and both companies did cancel those meetings with major distributors. 415 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:44.039 So it's a surprise that Fanatics would cancel it though. Yeah, NOI 416 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.839 canceled just because, you know, just because you've got you know, they're 417 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.559 not currently distributing any NFL products, right, so you know you would think 418 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.200 the Fanatics is unless they're just trying to avoid questions. I'm sure that that's 419 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:02.000 probably why. But to two reps that I know had meetings canceled from both 420 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.960 companies today that were scheduled meetings. Interesting, Yeah, I understand Panini canceling 421 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.799 because they don't know what's going on, and they won't until it gets through 422 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.400 it. But I guarantee this is going to court. Oh yeah, this 423 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.960 is going to court, you know. And like I said, the question 424 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.119 is going to be how fast is a decision going to be made? And 425 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:28.400 what happens if an injunction is not issued and the court you know, and 426 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.720 then obviously it's gonna this may this may wind up wrapped up in court longer 427 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:37.400 than the remaining term of the license agreement was supposed to be anyway, but 428 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:43.279 imagine imagine going several years, because if an injunction is issued, Fanatic or 429 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:47.640 Fanatics will not be able to produce Players Association license product, and Panini will 430 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.480 still remaining, you know, they'll produce their normal products. Yes it is, 431 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:57.240 but the you know, if an injunction is not issued, how fast 432 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.400 are we going to start seeing product from Fanatics? You know, they see 433 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.119 a topschrome football with no team logos, no team names, basically what Bowman 434 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.480 was back in twenty fourteen and stuff, you know, essentially minus team names. 435 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.440 Yea, they always blurted out the Bowman helmets for some reason. I 436 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.519 don't know why, but they always did that back in the day, and 437 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.039 maybe that's what it's going to look like. But I don't know. What's 438 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.960 going to happen with the cards is crazy. Now, I will say those 439 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:32.880 Panini instant cards, was CJ. Stroud and all those other quarterbacks those cards 440 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.559 depending on what happens if no cards are released, Yeah, those that set 441 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:43.880 of Panini Instant cards, which is very low, is going to go down 442 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:52.039 as one of the most notorious cards cards sets of the modern era, guaranteed 443 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.039 if football shuts down, because it will be their only pro uniform cards that 444 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.279 they have as rookies. Yeah. And I just I'm trying to think of, 445 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.319 like, what if if there's no football cards for the entire year, 446 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.639 you know, and all of a sudden, you have, you know, 447 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:14.320 some of the guys that just got drafted go off and have monster years. 448 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.559 Yeah, what if c J. Stroud is the next Mahomes, the Gen 449 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.519 Robinson coming out and just showing you, you know, doing and they don't 450 00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:23.360 and they don't have kie they don't have rookie cards. Yep. I don't 451 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.440 imagine. Yeah, you know what, I mean, what's it going to 452 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.960 do? And they may not even have second year cards depending on how long 453 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.039 this plays out. Well, I don't think that this is going to take 454 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.800 long to play out. Actually I don't think because, and I say that 455 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.639 because it's too big of a business. I could see it. I could 456 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.039 see them halting it this year and taking through this year. I absolutely could 457 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.280 see that. But I don't think it's going to take years and years. 458 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.000 Well, but here's the thing. Fanatics has a fun you know, has 459 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:01.280 an incentive to drag it out as long as possible because it's nothing. It's 460 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.639 not affecting their bottom line. Panini, on the other hand, does not. 461 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.559 Well, it's not affecting their bottom line, but in a way it 462 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:15.519 is because they've built out a Fanatics football team with ironically full offs Panini employees, 463 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.639 but that entire football team, and in this new card of Fanatics, 464 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.199 they want to make those cards. Trust me, they've invested a lot in 465 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.639 the fact that they're going to have those licenses. And so while it's not 466 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.800 affecting what they expected their bottom line to be, Fanatics isn't some company that 467 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.119 sits back and does nothing, you know, rue but at the same time, 468 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.920 but at the same time, they are in a much better financial position 469 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.000 where even if they have to pay these guys, you know, their salaries 470 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:50.599 for the you know, a year or two. Yeah, it's not going 471 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.360 to hurt their bottom line at all. Well, Fanini, on the other 472 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:57.599 hand, has a financial incentive to get this wrapped up as quickly as possible. 473 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.079 But here's the other. Here's the other. How long you know, 474 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:07.960 if the Players Association is successful in moving the contract, how long until the 475 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:14.239 NBA Players Association follow suit? Oh? If Well, it all depends on 476 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:21.960 what ultimately the NFL's reasoning and the way they were if they truly are able 477 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:23.480 to get out of this, you know, and a judge doesn't say no, 478 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.960 you can't get out of it. If there was a way for them 479 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.119 to weazle out of this contract this early, when Panini obviously fought it one 480 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.400 thousand percent, the NBA is going to do it almost immediately, I would 481 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.280 say, within two or three months, as soon as the reason that is 482 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.639 out and it's a legit reason, which I want to touch on a possibility 483 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.559 here in just a minute, which goes back to their lawsuit that we talked 484 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.719 about a couple of weeks ago. But if there is a legit reason for 485 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.559 it, then yes, the NBA will follow suit almost immediately. All right, 486 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.519 And before you get into that that reasoning, I do want to point 487 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:07.400 out that in theory, yes, this should have no effect on any existing 488 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:13.000 redemptions that are outstanding. Those players. They're either going to sign it and 489 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.719 return it as normal, as recommended of course by the Players Association, or 490 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:22.480 they're not. Yeah, and odds are if they're not, it's got nothing 491 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:28.920 to do with the Players Association. Move the contract. Yeah, it's because 492 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.320 they're assholes. Yeah, you know, and they don't give a shit about 493 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.039 you or me or any of the other collectors out there. They're just not 494 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.559 doing it. Yeah, And that's not a contractual thing or not. You 495 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:44.840 know, it's just them being assholes. So we'll just leave it. We'll 496 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.280 just leave it at that. So you know, everybody has, well, 497 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.119 what's going to happen to my redemption that I've been waiting three and a half 498 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.760 years for. Well, dude, you've been waiting three and a half years 499 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.079 for it and they still haven't signed it. And the Players Association's fault the 500 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.039 whole time. Anyway, You've been mad at the wrong people your entire time, 501 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.679 So just get the Players Association and wait. But you know, yeah, 502 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.960 this is all. Yeah, like I said, you know, you've 503 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.760 been waiting that long and they haven't signed it yet, so what are the 504 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.880 odds that they're going to sign it now? Or a yeah, it's not. 505 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.079 If it's an NFL, expect to freaking wait. There's there's an old 506 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.599 military term hurry up and wait. Yeah, that that applies here. That's 507 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:31.599 yes, So all right, so you think you think you may know what 508 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.800 the reasoning is? Okay, and again again speculation, Yes, this is 509 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.880 this is speculation. And guys, if you are on watching us on YouTube, 510 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.519 thanks everyone for tuning in to our live uncut versions on YouTube. If 511 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.840 you are, please drop some questions if you have any in the chat. 512 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.159 We will address those all at the end of the show with some bonus footage. 513 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.400 Definitely definitely want to thank both of you that are watching live. Yes, 514 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:04.039 I'm just just kidding. It's yeah, but it's actually three but you 515 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.000 know, okay, yeah, guys will catch it on the replay. It's 516 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.719 okay, all right. So I was told by a very reputable source who 517 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.719 owns a store and has spoken with a couple of reps and spoken with a 518 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.360 couple of people this morning, and that have spoken to a couple of people. 519 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.519 They are very close to the situation. And I talked about this on 520 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:30.679 the Hobby Hotline Live last night. I said something in the lawsuit that Fanatics 521 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:36.599 shot back Michael Rubens manifesto to Panini, where he basically just destroyed them. 522 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.960 I mean, that's what I'm calling that counter that that lawsuits just a manifesto 523 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.519 because it was just gut punch apter gut punch. But in there I said, 524 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:53.119 there has to be something that the NFLPA latched onto. Now, what 525 00:39:53.280 --> 00:40:00.519 I'm being told is there is a very very good possibility that the part about 526 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:07.599 Panini falsifying their numbers by that two hundred million we were talking about last week, 527 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.119 that could possibly be the actual reason. Now, whether it's two hundred 528 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:19.079 million or not, whatever, falsifying numbers, apparently internally at least by a 529 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:25.000 lot of people, is being discussed as a possible reason for the NFLPA, 530 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.639 you know, getting out of this agreement. And once again that is speculation, 531 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:34.360 but it is based on talking to some people that do have some very 532 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.800 very good contacts in this industry, work with these companies hand in hand, 533 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:44.840 and from their conversations, that's what they're that's what they're hearing seeing that that 534 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:51.599 doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense because I know they the Players Association is 535 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.800 paid a percentage. Yeah, so now it's a smaller percentage with the current 536 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.519 contracts than it will be with the new contracts, but they still get paid 537 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:07.480 a percentage. So if it was the falsification of numbers, one of two 538 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:13.840 things could have happened. Either one players association was overpaid, in which case 539 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.159 why would they leave if you're being paid more than you should be paying, 540 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:25.280 yeah, or that they're looking at those inflated numbers and saying we were underpaid. 541 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.599 Exactly, you owe us a ton of money because your sales were actually 542 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:34.840 higher than what you reported to us. And that's also that's also you know, 543 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.880 because again Fanatics has a relationship with the NFLPA, they've got a relationship 544 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:45.800 with the NBA Players Association. It's very possible that the two players associations reported 545 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:51.360 what they were given and what their percentages should have been on licensing fees and 546 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.679 things like that from Panini. Yeah, and that's how Fanatics was able to 547 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.840 say, you're over reporting your numbers, right, very good chance that that's 548 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.760 the case. So, you know, if that's The reason I'm willing to 549 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.480 bet the Players Association is you know, is going to use that and say, 550 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.920 hey, you owe us all this money if the numbers that you reported 551 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:16.679 were correct, and that's a violation because it look not paying the amount the 552 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.920 money that's due is a violation of the contract. Yep. So that would 553 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.039 give them an out, you know in theory. Again, we haven't seen 554 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.360 a language on the contract, but you know, we're assuming that there's something 555 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.920 in there that avoids it. If you know, money's not given. That 556 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.639 could be the case. No, absolutely, it could be. And like 557 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.440 I said, this is just from a couple of sources that I've heard from 558 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.280 that do have you know, quite a bit of good sources themselves. Will 559 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:51.079 see obviously what happens with this. But this whole thing, man, the 560 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.760 thing that the thing that scares me the most is if if we go a 561 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:59.679 year without football cards, if that is the case, if that stops talk 562 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.880 not just a gut punch for the hobby at the football hobby in general. 563 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.599 But no matter, I mean, no matter what happens, this is all 564 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.559 just aw well, well hold on, hold on, there is a little 565 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.440 bit of precedent that we can go on here. Oh yeah, when they're 566 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:20.159 they're baseball shit. No, no, no, no, no more recent 567 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:25.199 Uh during the twelve thirteen NHL season, yeah, we're on strike. Yeah, 568 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.159 they weren't producing cards with any of the no new rookies, no, 569 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.960 none of that. You had to dual class later, right, and they 570 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.280 did the double rookie class the next year. But during that period of time, 571 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.000 I was heavy in the hockey during that period of time, and what 572 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.719 I wound up doing was branching out a little bit more. That's when I 573 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.239 started getting more into basketball again, right, and football. And I was 574 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.719 saying, I was still doing baseball, and it's fine. My money went 575 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.800 to basketball into football because that was it. And I've got I've got to 576 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.440 feel it. Look, we're all all, especially those of us that rip 577 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.000 wax, we are all degenerate gamblers. Said, look, I'm sorry, 578 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.400 you know, if it's a if that's a wake up call for you, 579 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.320 those of us that rip wax. We are gambling. We are degenerate, 580 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.000 suite you know, you know whatever, But we're still gonna be ripping wax. 581 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.599 We're just not going to be ripping well, no, I agree. 582 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.320 I met this entire situation just being bad for the hobby because it's all the 583 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.079 bad news, Like just this shining a light on this, This isn't gonna 584 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.440 take if we're trying to pull new people into the hobby, nobody's gonna look 585 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.639 at this and say, oh, this looks like fun. I mean, 586 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.599 you know what I mean, Like these lawsuits, all this bullshit, This 587 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.599 isn't what the hobby needs to be focused on. And but yeah, the 588 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.199 football market, if there's no football cards, I could easily see a lot 589 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.039 of people going in towards the other sports. Basketball I would assume the most, 590 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:57.239 since it will be the one going on for the most part, since 591 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.599 baseball'll be wrapping up, even though products will still be coming out. But 592 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:07.800 I also see it as a lot of and it's almost overdue, but there's 593 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.320 a lot of players in the football hobby that don't get the love they deserve 594 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.960 because there's been so many stacked rookie classes. We are having that massive changing 595 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:22.239 of the guard where there's so many good up and coming quarterbacks you don't know 596 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.159 who's going to be the best of the best yet and really any of these 597 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:29.559 positions because so many of the greats retired and so many of these other guys 598 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.480 are going into year three, year five, you know, or they really 599 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.159 make those big jumps. There's a lot of people that get overlooked in the 600 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:40.800 hobby, so maybe that money starts going over there. I would expect to 601 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.039 see older products from the last couple of years start to skyrocket, and maybe 602 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.320 people start putting more money into where they have been going, which is in 603 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:54.199 the nineties football into the vintage area. I don't know, but there's a 604 00:45:54.239 --> 00:46:00.679 strong chance we don't get any football cards this year, and that it's gonna 605 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:06.679 be weird to see how the new era of the hobby handles something like this. 606 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.519 We've got precedence for it, but it was a completely different hobby then 607 00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.039 and now. What I want to see, and I'm also curious to see 608 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:20.639 what the effects are going to be on shops because football is the number one 609 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.760 a lot of shops. It's number one for a lot of shops. I 610 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.679 think it's number two overall. I think baseball is still ahead of that. 611 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.559 But a lot of shops, you know, make a ton of their income 612 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:38.000 every year on the football blocks, and without it, their numbers are gonna 613 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:44.440 dip, Yes, significantly. Yes, Football is also the easiest product to 614 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.960 sell yeah for some reason. I mean, it's football. Every shop owner 615 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.280 I've always talked that football is always the easiest to sell. What's going to 616 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.840 happen to their bottom line? I know, I know, I know. 617 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:01.280 This is a big blow for back for hobby shops like Mathiddly if, like 618 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.480 we said, cards don't come out. But we, like I said, 619 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.280 we had our emergency hobby hotline last night and Guy Rex, who owns a 620 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:14.159 shop out on the West Coast, was talking to us talking about how football 621 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.679 is his number one seller has been since he's always had his entire shop, 622 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:23.920 and that all the shop owners that I've spoken to are very worried about the 623 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:29.199 upcoming year because I mean, look, I also don't think it's a coincidence 624 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.800 this was released right before football season started by the NFLPA. I think that 625 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.599 this. I think this was a one thousand percent calculated attempt by them in 626 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.559 fanatics. They did it right before football season for a reason. But there's 627 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.400 a lot of shop owners that are going to take a big hit if this 628 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.880 isn't if an injunction by Panini isn't being able to be held up, you 629 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.519 know, held up in court and they say yes, okay, everything's a 630 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:59.159 status quo for this year. We're going to figure out the next couple. 631 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.920 If they don't that and allow them to produce cards, now you still won't 632 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:07.440 get the stroud you know, the brace young autos that their fanatics that's already 633 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:13.519 been announced and confirmed in everything, but everything else, you'd still get them 634 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.000 in cards. You'd still get a normal release date. Unless that happens. 635 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:21.599 Shop owners are going to take a big hit here. Yeah. Now, 636 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.239 let me ask you this, because I don't do a lot of the draft. 637 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.360 Sure are the draft products players Association, I don't draft the draft products. 638 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.000 They would be able to do, but the only way that they would 639 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:38.039 be able to do it would be if they didn't use players that were already 640 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:45.079 drafted to an NFL team, because that their name and likeness would be their 641 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.360 name and likeness would be used on a card. Yeah. But if you 642 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.559 flip over the back of like a Select draft or Chronicles draft or like that, 643 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.159 and I know, I know you ripped something this week, so you 644 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.400 look into an here, look on the back and see if there is a 645 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:06.400 Players Association logo, because if there is, then you know, if there 646 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.400 is the logo, they won't be able to make them. There is no 647 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:15.400 NFL Players Association logo on there. Okay, So based on that, I 648 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.639 would assume that they're probably able to continue producing draft. Yes, but they 649 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.599 do have a limit on the amount of products of those they can produce. 650 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:27.840 And if they're not and even though they have you know, with Panini's statement 651 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.840 today saying they've got three hundred and sixty signed athletes and everything, if the 652 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:38.840 Players Association wins this whole idea that they don't have a group majority anymore a 653 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:45.079 group licensing. Since they don't have the majority, I'm assuming they're claiming they 654 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.960 don't have group licensing, Panini won't be able to put out any products of 655 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.960 more than five players on them. Well, I think that because that's because 656 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.599 it's really a college product. I think I think that would be an exception 657 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:04.840 they with it that maybe that maybe, I mean, it isn't licensed and 658 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:09.119 it isn't touched by the NFLPA at least on the box now how and it 659 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.320 would be it would be on the box. But see, the thing is 660 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.559 is once a player and this is something I don't know the answer too, 661 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:22.440 but once a player is drafted has moved on, I could see them as 662 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:28.360 maybe using their NIL deals and doing players that are in college still that are 663 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.679 coming up for the next draft and maybe moving that up early. But I'm 664 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:36.880 pretty sure. I mean, these guys are signed members of the NFL Players 665 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:42.960 Association now, so something has to give. I mean, it doesn't it. 666 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.000 I mean, because now they're members of the Players Association when these products 667 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:51.760 came out and everything else. Yeah, but if they're using old photos and 668 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.280 you know, from their college days and they've got the NC double a license 669 00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.960 to be able to do it, yeah, and you're not calling it an 670 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.760 NFL product, right, Hey, if anyone knows the answer, please let 671 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.239 us know. We'll do some research this week. That's a good question. 672 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.599 But because if that's the case, do we see do we see twenty twenty 673 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:17.159 three optic Draft? Well? I figured wee wee Donra's Draft. I figured 674 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.320 we get all that eventually anyway, Yeah, I mean we already have left 675 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.920 this year. Yeah. Well, so it's select. They've done Select the 676 00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:30.159 last couple of years and did, by the way, the Select this year. 677 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.639 My god, guys, awful design, just just just fucking terrible select. 678 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.239 Hideous bro Well this Hey, the select NFL looks good though, Yes, 679 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:43.119 it does draft picks awful. Yeah, cut that design, guys. 680 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.400 If you make football cards anymore, that does or well but again, or 681 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.760 don't use it for basketball either because a lot of times they share the design 682 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.360 between those two. But I'm curious to see how this is all gonna play 683 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.920 out, just along with everybody else. Everybody has more questions than answers. 684 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.719 It is literally taking up my entire Facebook feed until like every everything I go 685 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.559 through, it's all, it's all freaking people questioning what's going on with it. 686 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.880 My phone. If you look at from my text messages last night, 687 00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.039 you know I got messages from like forty different people. Yes, like want 688 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.719 to know what the hell is going on? And guys, look, we 689 00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.880 don't know. We don't know any more than you do. And anything I 690 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.039 do know, I'm gonna tell you. I reached out to the NFLPA, 691 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.800 got as much information as I could from them. For you reach out to 692 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.800 Pannemi and Fanatics. Any information we get, we're always gonna get. Yeah, 693 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.679 And I've got a feeling that neither come, neither of those companies is 694 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.840 going to be releasing information that's not coming out through their attorneys, no, 695 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.760 which is the look from a business standpoint, as the smartest thing to do. 696 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.960 Yeah, Panini already came out with the statement this morning. You know, 697 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.000 we read that earlier. We read uh, you know, the NFL 698 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.559 Players Association what they sent out last night. Aside from that, we're gonna 699 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.880 have to wait, most likely for some sort of court filing. But the 700 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.960 good news with that is it's public record. Yep, exactly so, And 701 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.119 just like we said before, looks like we might really get the discovery. 702 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:13.000 Now, yeah, that was a common thing from you know, from last 703 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.519 week. So we'll see what happens with that. Well, we're gonna be 704 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.519 keeping an eye on the clerk's dockets and various courts, both federal and state. 705 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.320 I would assume, because this involves an interstate contracts, it's probably gonna 706 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.360 go through the federal courts, not through state of Texas. But we'll find 707 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:34.440 out, and it's going to be a very interesting couple of weeks. Absolutely, 708 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.800 I'm already sick of hearing about it, tell you truth. Oh no, 709 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.639 no, no, me too. This is not what we talked about 710 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.679 last week. Yeah, what I like to discuss in the hobby not what 711 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.800 I want to be talking about in the hobby. But it's it's something we 712 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.280 got to cover and it's something that's going to affect a hell the hobby for 713 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:57.800 a very long time. But like we said, we will keep everyone updated, 714 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.000 everyone on YouTube. Of course, hanging around would do some bonus content 715 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:05.599 answer some of your questions. But Scott, I think I think this is 716 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.519 probably a good time to wrap up episode one ninety six, would you? 717 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:12.760 I would agree. I wish we had, wish we had other things to 718 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.480 discuss this week, but the NFL Players Association decided to make that decision for 719 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.199 us on one of the content is going to be this week, and well 720 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.800 we did slip in some flaw, you know, so we yea what we 721 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.840 could. But as far as I concerned right now then dictating our content for 722 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.480 the week, they can go eat a dick. Yes, no, I 723 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.719 completely agree. And on that note, that is a perfect time to end 724 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.280 this week's episode. So before we go, I do want to thank our 725 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.280 awesome sponsors, Card Ladder, Denver, Card Shows, Game Time Cards, 726 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.880 Zion Cases, Show your Slabs, Slabs, Drown, stand up displays and 727 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.559 pressures, Hunter Sports Cards. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. 728 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:58.360 Could not do this show without you. Guys, We do have Hoppy 729 00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.840 Hotline of course, every single Saturday at eleven am over on thanks to Clear 730 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:06.679 Media. Make sure you check that out. If you miss the emergency episode 731 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.400 from last night, the audio and video is up, so go check that 732 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:14.199 out. It was a very very good show, and I was on last 733 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:20.639 week's episode also awesome as well, of course, but a lot of really 734 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.519 cool stuff coming up. I've got to get ready to go. Ahead Callie 735 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:27.039 this weekend. If you are at the Collecticon and Long Beach, come say 736 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.199 what's up. I'll be out over there. Look forward to seeing some of 737 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.559 you guys then. But until next week, you guys know the deal. 738 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.800 Keep ripping those packs and pulling those hits and we'll talk to you then. Great