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Don't like a bar. You don't
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was doing like small time bar talk
about those Warriors guys tonight. Don't follow

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sports, Okay, I don't know. Maybe maybe Stewart does. Who's editing

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this episode? I actually you're gonna
start this off with him being like,

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what do I do with this intro? That was so bad? That the

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intro that was it clear is nowhere
near the worst one we've done. No,

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No, we've done much for us. At least I didn't mention any

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baby so far. Oh yeah,
we don't have to go into that,

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Mike. No, I'm legitimately excited
for the game. Warriors Lakers is a

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good matchup. That's good ball.
Back at it. We're going to a

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baseball tomorrow later this Week's a good
song, I am. I'm going to

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a Red Sox game at Fenway Park
football. It's got a big wall.

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I guess my dad wanted to see
the big Wall for his whole life,

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so the Green Monster. Wait,
your dad is a Royals fans, the

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Royals guy, but he's just an
overall baseball fan. And I know of

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the Green Wall from King Griffy Jun
your own Superintendo m it's a man.

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Boston sports fans are gonna hate me. Amanda would know. I think it's

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a smaller field than usual. Yeah, like shorter to hit a home run,

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not taking the green wall and the
green monster. I think they call

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it into account. That seems wrong. Well, no, so that's baseball

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is like there are certain regulation measurements
and rules. But also like soccer in

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Europe, I don't know if this
pertains the MLS. The fields are different

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lengths sometimes, like if you go
to uh, Wembley, the field's going

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to be way longer than a lot
of other sports, like home Again,

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that seems obviously if it's like elementary
school and they're like this is all we

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had in the backyard. There's a
big pit in the middle of it,

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like you just work around. No, but this is like professional national level.

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Yeah, they should do it like
in basketball and be like, oh,

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if you play the Orlando Magic,
the hoop is twenty five feet tall,

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you know, it's just like really
it goes up and down real fast.

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If you play the Utah Jazz,
only Mormons can come watch. Yeah,

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that's right. That doesn't impact the
play. It's like the little like

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play situation where it's more like I
never have its. Like if you were

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to be like in Detroit and they're
like, well, our baseballs are twice

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as big, and it's there I
and they're made of iron, good luck,

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you know. And they're tied with
a string to the center of the

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field. Yeah, and there's a
pole and you have to hit it,

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you know, but it's baseball.
Where was the last time you played tether

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ball? I love tether ball angle
that perfect forty five degrees and they can't

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hit it on their side. They're
screwed because it's her ball pole. That'd

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be sweet. I could do that, putt. You'd be such a bully.

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Yeah, that's what's such a cruel
thing to have in your house.

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There's no chance Bonk would play tether
ball with me. There is no constantly

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bopping it way over that head.
She would hate She would have hated it

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if I had like a soft little
thing, like if I had like a

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little thing like you know those Kleenex, uh, the single serving clean X

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things. If I tossed one of
those underhanded to her while giving her heads

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up, she would still do the
like George Michael from the rest of Development,

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like fall into it like she does
not like things being thrown at her

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or athletic things or things lying around
her head be the last thing. I

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think that's probably a good survival instinct. It is, I wonder it reminds

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me of a line from Clueless,
where they're playing nis and one of the

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girls goes, I can't play with
a note from my doctor. I'm not

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supposed to play anything where balls fly
at my face and the girls your social

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light. That's right, that was
a trailer. I think I was confused

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by it because I didn't know sex
stuff when it came out. That's right,

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it was about ballstic. I didn't
under a lot of things in movies.

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I started to finally understand in like
sixth grade. I didn't know what

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a vagina was the first time I
saw a rat race. And he says

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it in the bathroom when he's trying
to get who is it Cuba gutting?

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Junior says in the bathroom to that
guy that he needs his I think he's

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a bus driver. He needs his
clothes because he's trying to pretend to be

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a bus driver like hit Man style. But he's telling her that his wife.

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He's telling the bus driver that his
wife is in the other bathroom and

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he's like, give me your jacket. He's like it's for the embiotic sack

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or something, and he's like,
what do you need the hat for.

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He's like the vagina, And I
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I it's not even a funny joke. Now that I'm old enough to understand

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it. Yeah, but at the
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when you hear things you don't know. I think I may have brought this

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up for maybe like Shrek had a
bunch of like really spicy jokes that I

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don't think I really comprehended. And
it wasn't even I wasn't that young,

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but I remember when I saw it, it just like didn't hit me at

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the time. Shrek. Shrek takes
the double entendra that Disney does to like

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times ten levels. For sure.
There was a lot of like like in

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Wayne's World, you know, there's
the part where they do, like,

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oh, the gratuitous sex scam and
it's just like Mike Myers flopping around on

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top of to your career, and
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I have no idea what's happening here? It was all terminator that I

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understood the the baseball thing we were
talking about, sure, Supermaga Baseball four

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thing, and it's actually got real
baseball players. Like I'm loving a thought

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of Keith Hernandez rocketing a ball at
like Kurt Schilling's crotch. I only know

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Keith Hernandez because of that Seinfeld.
He was a really good Mets player.

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Okay, is he still playing?
No? Okay, if they Ruth is

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old? Is he bab Ruth's in
the game of some I'm in the trailer?

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Yeah, okay, yeah, I
don't know how they who they selected

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total, but I do want to
play that. I can't wait. I

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don't know. We have a story
up on Polygon today that I gotta that

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we might have mentioned it. Let
me look. That World series we did

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was extremely fun. We should do
that again when the new one comes out.

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That'd be fun. Yes, I
would like to do that with you.

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That was Oh here we go,
Okay, let me see uh June

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second. Holy shit, that's a
month from this recording. Okay, I'll

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play the hell out of that switch
probably maybe another World series. Yeah,

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I get my dad on the horn. That was fun. There was that

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like three game stretch where the games
were not close whatsoever. We one of

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us had dialed into the control each
game, and then we're just like going

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to ding dongtown every think you were
killing me, like the way there was

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one where you won, like twenty
to four, though, and it's demoralizing,

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especially again the whole time. Shit, yeah, we gotta do it

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again. That'll be fun. I
think I'm trying to remember whether I won.

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What the hell was it was it
four to three in the series or

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the game seven or something like that. I think what is six? But

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yeah, go dubs to the basketball
fans. It was fun. What else

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you guys been up to? I
always like block out the old sports chatter

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anytime, Like people are like,
I'm too cool for sports. I'm I

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might fucking video games. You are
one of us, you nerd. I'm

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I'm definitely a nerd. Mary,
I'm with you. Sports are boring.

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I'm with you, except for hockey
when they decided to fight each other on

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the ice. YEA, what fighting? If you want to watch fighting or

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fake fighting? More fighting when it
breaks out in somewhere where that's not the

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main objective, that's true. It's
like like a Wendy's if you see a

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fight, it's more exciting than if
you see a match. Yes, I

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looked up the Creator Clash results because
I was interested in the concept of like

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streamers and content creators punching each other. Because I didn't think they could do

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it, but they did. I
do want who should I fight? Um?

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I watched Alana's match. She won. I thought that was pretty cool.

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He's worried that I like have too
much boxing experience to that's true.

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It'd be a bit unfair. It'd
be an unfair. Yeah, you get

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Wait, Alana won everything. That's
one the whole thing. It's a pyramid,

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you know, and each time they
would keep going she made it all

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the way. Is that you just
only boxed me serious, only one person.

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That's like like grudge matches. I
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but yeah. The idea is you
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class and you fight them and then
just like a boxing uh night, there's

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like maybe six to eight matches and
like there's one like heavy weight that's like

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the main yeah, the title match, and then everybody else, you know,

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you just fight until you win or
lose. Cool. Um, I

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think It's interesting. It's an interesting
concept of like the new normal, which

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is like, instead of professionals,
what if just a bunch of average mumbly

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Joe's got up there and we taped
their hands and they just started flailing at

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each other. I would watch it
decent. The fights, Um, yes,

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and no. I would say,
like generally, you're not talking about

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professional boxers. You were talking about
not even amateur you're talking about people.

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Yeah, I agree, but I
think they did their best. I don't

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think anyone phoned it in. Um, but I think if you were expecting

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like legit boxing, it's probably not
that caliber. When is legit boxing,

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they're legit each other. But I
think that for the training that they go

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through, which is probably three to
six months of training, that's what you're

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seeing at the end of it.
You know, I bet would kick assid.

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That is Vinny Caravella. Really,
I don't think he's he's like trained

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or anything, but I just yeah, I've just I've never been punched by

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him, but I assume he's got
some like weird dad straight where it's just

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like he would just knock you out
with one hit out. Well, maybe

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it's one of those like paternal things
where you have to like hang his kids

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in a cage above the match.
Yeah, you know, like hook and

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it's like you gotta win this fight
or we're gonna keep him. And then

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yeah, and then he just goes. He goes crazy and he's like kills

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everybody. I think you gotta get
that, you get that like paternal rage.

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He could beat like Lennox Lewis.
I bet if he did that.

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He's got that like when he devotes
himself to something, He's got that laser

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focus too. I could see him
coming in with some technique. Yeah,

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I could see. Yeah. I
think I would come in there with a

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wily Hubris and I would just be
like, I'm gonna give him the old

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pop pop and I would miss and
someone would just bash me on the top

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of the head and I'd fall flat. Fighting me. If you thought me,

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Mary, I think you would come
out of the game strong and I

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would just crumble completely. I would
put my hands up and just whoa.

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I'd I do the thing where I
get between the second and third ropes and

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I'm like, I'd be spanking you. Yeah. I think like I'd have

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different techniques for each of you because
I assume that Dan, if I just

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came at you like a crazy spider
monkey, I think I could freak you

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out mentally. I would try to
poke your eyes. Is the first thing

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you have boxing gloves? I would
take them off. Look, I'm a

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survival mode here. I don't work. It's not a fight to the death.

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Most of the time. You're talking
to someone who watches more like w

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W E than any boxing match.
You that superkick on Rocky five is your

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favorite of the bunch, of course, yes, what would be for me?

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I would have to take it more
seriously. I don't think I could

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psych you out mentally, and I
know you have boxing experience that you work

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out mostly fighting and bar fighting.
Yeah, I think honestly, cushions on

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our knuckles on the streets, I'd
probably try and play dirty. I'd probably

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be like, oh, so you're
like Diamond Dame, going for them the

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weird joints that you know are out
of shape. You hit in my right

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shoulder because you know it's strained.
Yeah, I'd be going for any weak

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points, whether or not it's cool, um, because I think you'd probably

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I think you'd probably punched me.
Now we've had this discussion before. I

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think if it was like fight to
the death and there were no boxing rules,

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I think I'd have a better shot. But within you understand, I

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would get all times I am too
like killing you already, So like the

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moment someone says one of you is
not leaving this room, I'll pull out

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my like derringer from But I've always
been prepared with like a shiv at any

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moment, like I'm always ready to
like I have a gun on the inside

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of my shouldn't. I don't think
you can do this in boxing. I

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can't do anything cool in boxing.
If I was going into a ring with

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Mike Tyson, I would have a
derringer on each of my limbs, because

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that is the most terrifying human being
I've ever seen in my life. Do

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you think if you add like if
you were like dual wielding stun guns and

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Tyson was coming after you, do
you think you could uh survive? Like

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you know what, would you survive
that? Or would he be able to

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knock you out? I think he
has enough like fortitude to push through it

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and still strangle me to death and
then muscles go crazy, like it's like

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you can't stand right. Have you
ever seen someone on meth with those like

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they still go Actually, yeah,
I thought there's some I don't know if

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it's like an adrenaline thing that can
kick in. I don't know. I've

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never been stun gun again. Like
father, you know, paternal madness.

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You hang Vinnie's kids in a cage
above the ring and then you zip zap

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him. I think he pushed through
it. If you would kill just saying,

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are you suggesting you zip zap the
kids? No? No, no,

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you guys zip zap him. I'm
just saying you just hear what she

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said about zip zapping Vinnie's kids.
I did. Yeah, I'm called for

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really. Yeah, I doator clash. I do the hook thing. Dude,

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if it was me and Vinny,
I would have to bow out or

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at least let him punch me,
because he's such a he's such a nice

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guy. I just don't think I
have it in me to to, you

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know, to bop him. I
don't think I could do it. How

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does PCP work? Because I heard
you like, if you're on PCP,

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you can like fall out of a
building and walk away. So like,

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could I just take a bunch of
I don't know if you take or snort.

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of PCP right before I fight Vinnie
and just not register anything and then be

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why is Vinny in this scenario?
Or you can I have a bunch of

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it could be just an unknown uh
boxing, I think you'd be stronger,

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Yeah, and I wouldn't feel the
pain, right, I just eatn't eat

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enough PCP, it won't feel anything. Well, I think you just don't

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think you're in this world. I
think part of that is also why a

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lot of in drunk driving accidents,
the drunk driver walks away like unscathed because

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they're drunk, so they're not seizing
up and like tightening when they're crashing and

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breaking shit in their body. Yeah, I always felt it's a stupid thought.

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I'm sure this isn't how it works. But like if a plane was

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going to crash over a car was
going to crash, I always assumed if

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I just like made all my limbs
just like really like flex them all like,

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they would make them like more solid
and then they wouldn't like I wouldn't

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get all squished up. No,
Like, I think that's the worst possible

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thing you could do I think I
could survive a plane crash enough pp,

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I'm sure you think you could give
me a bonus, but I just think

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I think it would go Okay,
I'm not You want to ask people that

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like jumps at the end, like
right as it crashed, I could time.

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Yes, absolutely you cannot. And
first of all, it was learned

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in one of those MythBusters that jumping
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doesn't save your life. It doesn't
reduce impact. That's crazy to me.

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It seems like you're thinking all the
downward stuff. I don't know. This

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is probably also a myth I heard
that if you were in a falling elevator,

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yeah, you're supposed to go flat, Yeah, because that otherwise my

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legs would just shoot through your chest. I could see that. But I

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would also say, like, what's
better in your opinion when falling an extreme

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height into water. Is it penciling
in or is it being as flat as

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possible? Because when you are as
flat as possible you hit that full smack

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with your belly, you're still going
to be Fuck. You're in a high

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enough height, you're gonna be at
terminal velocity. It might as well,

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be concrete. It doesn't matter how
you're laying. I think I think to

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down and you didn't have shoes on, I think it would kind of like

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make it what situation which a little
pencil. I would if you fell out

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of a plane, if the point
was on fire and you jumped out and

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you had time to think about it, I would take both my shoes out.

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I would go pencil, and I
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a dagger, carving a safe path. I'd go deep. The thing I'd

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be worried about is that goes so
deep that I would have to swim up

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really fast before I drowned. But
I'd be fine with the impact the the

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There's a lot of physics happening between
you jumping out the window and hitting the

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water that I don't think you're accounting
for. You could get sucked in that

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little in the you get sucked in
the jet even that like no I do.

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If you don't, you don't just
jump straight out when something's going that

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fast, like it's there's gonna be
a lot of wind resistance when you're jumping

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out. All this works, he
does like a little summer salt and like

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a perfect dive. You gotta hold
your butt in though, because a bunch

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of water I'll shoot up your butt. I'd wear pants, get will go

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through there, water gonna break.
But how where do they do this?

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How does it workt So if I
don't clench, a lot of water will

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go my butt. Oh man,
damn, there's easier way to make that

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happen, Like yeah, oh,
trust me, there are quite a few.

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I'm just like adding any one to
the list. The day is like

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seventeen on my list. So go
down, then jump out of the plane,

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do not clench, and then can
you imagine me falling from the sky

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into the Hudson River, spreading my
ass cheeks, just rinning from ear to

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ear, straight down. A man
died at Niagara Falls. Uh. The

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CCTV cameras caught his last moments of
him spreading his butt cheeks and jumping off

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of the falls. Whites said,
he seemed ecstatic. He's just doing like

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a cannonball. Put your hands down
there, spready cheese. You're on a

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yellow stone like the guys he fucking
got a newspaper, Like you're taking a

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ship, but you're just waiting nature's
but day or like public enema ah um.

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I don't think you survive a plane
crash. Oh I'm very curious how

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those like that one person on certain
flights does I would be that one I

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have. I have a dreams crashing
and they have to like land on the

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FDR or like some crowded highway or
like the soul usity have dreams like that

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all the time. I doo do
it very similar where it's like, yeah,

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you're taking off, it's like,
oh my god, it's going upside

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down and we're trying to save or
we almost hit a tree or something and

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you have highway like in a swamp
even and I was like, wait,

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shouldn't the wing have clipped that tree? But it doesn't because it's a dream

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and I'm bringing the water. Impact
is so weird in dreams, right,

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Like I don't have tree landing dreams, but I definitely have, like tried

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to fight someone in my dreams,
and my fists always kind of like it

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kind of just smooshes against their face
when I fight them. It's very anti

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class. Oh yeah, it's also
hard to sprint in some dreams. It's

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so hard to sprint when you're someone
dreams reading unsatisfying running in a dream like.

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That's one of the ways you're supposed
to if you want to lose a

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dream, is you try to read
something, because in real life you look

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at the letters and stuff and they're
just words and they don't move around.

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Open up a book or look at
something in a dream and it'll just be

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all jumbly and moving around. Or
if you look at it, look away,

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look back, the words will all
change. And that's how you know

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you're dreaming. And that's like a
technique for lucid dreaming. It just makes

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you wake up right, no,
no, you Yeah. So I go

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long periods of my life, like
three years at a time where I only

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lose a dream, really, and
it sounds cool and it is at first,

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and you can make some cool stuff
happen. However, it gets a

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bit exhausting because I wake up and
I don't even know. They say,

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I think, in like your deepest
sleep, you're dreaming and you wouldn't know

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it's a dream. Lucid dream is
kind of like a halfway. So if

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I'm doing it that often, I'm
probably not sleeping all that well. But

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lately I've actually been dreaming and it's
weird for me. Because usually I know

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right away I'm dreaming, really and
yeah, are you good at Like can

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you fly? And stuff like that? When you're flying is super easy.

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Yeah, it's it's it's like it's
like the Mario triple jump. Like the

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first few times I try, my
mind can't wrap around it. It's like

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the Neo jump in the Majors.
But then finally I'm like, I'm I'm

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asleep in my bed. This is
not real. And then I start flying,

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but often my mind wants me to
come back down, so it takes

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a few jumps or whatever. You
can kind of like glide a little bit.

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Yeah, that's fun. That's so
cool. I can never control my

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dreams of what I think about the
fact that I'm dreaming. I will instinctively

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wake up, and I also when
that happens, I forget what I was

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dreaming about, and I like,
I think I typically have really fun dreams,

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Like I grant myself good dreaming situations, so I want to remember them

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because I think they bring me joy. There are weird tactics if you because

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it's very very common when you become
lucid in a dream to wake up immediately

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you're like, oh shit, I'm
dreaming, then hey, wake up.

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The tactics that work and no one
really knows why is one big one just

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starts spinning spinning place and that'll kind
of like ground you in the dream.

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Another one is do something like,
you know, rub your hands together and

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really focus on like the feeling and
just lock in on that. Or I'll

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drop to the ground sometimes and like
if it's asphalts or grass, and I'll

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just like put my hands on it
and really focus on, you know,

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what it feels like. And sometimes
that'll just kind of lock you in and

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you don't get jolted out. You
know. Interesting. Those are good tactics.

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But I feel like if I thought
to myself, don't forget about those

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tactics Dan said, when you were
dreaming, I'll just I'll pop out,

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you know. Yeah, it's hard, it's hard to say sleep. Yeah,

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it can be fun though. Yeah, it's like an easy thing to

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say or like suggest, and it's
so hard to execute. Yeah. It's

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cool though, but again, my
veil, my dream veil so thin.

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Like the second I question whether or
not it's reality. Yep. Every the

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different thing where you wake up and
you're you're convinced that it's it's a real

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life and then you're still dreaming.
That happened to me once where I dreamt

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uh that I I caught my partner
lying to me, and I woke up

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and I was mad about it.
I don't know if that's ever happened to

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you, but I let it go
eventually. But because the dream felt real

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and because I woke up upset,
it was really hard for me to separate

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that it didn't happen for how my
feelings were valid, that I was angry

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at this person for lying to me. I think I let it go like

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in a like a couple like an
hour. You know, that's normal,

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I think, And that's like understandable
because they're the motions are no less real

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just because it's happening in a dream
like or I don't know what you quantify

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that, but I had an X
that would happen, but it would take

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like three days for them to get
over it. And you both know who

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I'm talking about. But it happened
fairly consistently, and wait, she would

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get upset about something of a dream
and me did and be actually mad at

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real you. That's what Mary was
saying. Happens like like there's a big

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difference between that and like having an
issue or a fight or day's worth of

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weirdness. No, it well,
probably yeah, because like I think the

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longest one week, a few days. But then at a certain point,

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I'm like, Okay, you realize
I did nothing wrong. Your perception of

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me and your dream was what the
one you're subconscious thinks that I might do

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this at some point. I don't
know how it works, but like,

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I didn't do anything wrong. Do
you want to do dinner tonight? Where

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do you want to do dinner?
And like, I don't know if I

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can make that. Still I'm still
a bit feels a bit off. I'm

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like, all right, man,
it's it's a shame you guys broke up.

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I know we were all rude for
what it seems like a good match.

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Every piece of evidence along the way
pointed to Ted when you guys broke

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up. I don't know why those
six times. Yeah, I don't know

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why. Nobody. Nobody pointed out
to me that matches could never lead the

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way. We could never really know, the like Seinfeld thing when it's like,

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you know, Mike would break up
and then be like, oh I

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can finally talk about like man that
was clearly a toxic and then like,

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you know, two weeks later,
so I'm back with her. It's like,

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oh cool, she's with her.
I mean, it's like, can

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be more like official now. I
had a friend, a mutual someone we

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worked with a game spot who dated
someone and we were all like, yeah,

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they're fine, and then when they
broke up, one of my other

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one of the other co workers unfriended
her. Yeah, and it was contentious

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where it was like follow her back
and you were like, no, I'm

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allowed to unfollow anyone at any time. I will not be beholden to this

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relationship used to work with me.
It's like the guy that I used to

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work with that I had that ego
app and it would tell him whenever someone

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unfollowed him, and he would walk
around the office if it was someone that

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you worked with him, why did
you want follow me? You want followed

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me on Twitter? Like in the
office, I cause an issue about it.

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That's one of the quickest ways to
announce to everybody in the vicinity that

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you're a very insecure human being.
Oh yeah, I'm assuming we were talking

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with the same person. I know
we are, Um I noticed that or

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It's funny. I noticed that before
you told me that he used that app

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because I went on this like unfollowed
spree when I moved back to the East

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Coast. I was like, all
right, you know what, like I

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like a lot of these people.
It's not nothing against them. I just

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really want to start using Twitter less. And yes, we'll help if I

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unfollow a lot of the people that
I often talked about Twitter related stuff within

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San Francisco, so like, it's
nothing against them. Of course, that's

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that's the logical way of thinking about
it. Of Course, emotionally, no

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one, very few of them saw
it like that. And I don't blame

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him. I get it at a
certain level. However, I noticed that

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this person. I forgot how I
noticed. I remember it now and we

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might have already talked about this in
Fire's Gate, but we're at the New

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York office and I mentioned that I
unfollowed him, and you're like, oh,

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you know, he has like he
used to use this app. I

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wonder if he still does. And
I looked at his profile and he had

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unfollowed me. I was like,
yeah, it's like an immediate thing.

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Yeah, yeah, not just insecure, but also petty Dad can he bake

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a nice pie? He can fall
from six thousand feet and not get any

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water up his ass, but it's
a huge dick on Twitter and to save

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his life, but Dan, can
he install him a day we're talking.

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I've had those experiences before, and
I think they're always like really gratifying though

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too. When you unfollow someone for
personal reasons or for mental health reasons,

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00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,839
whatever reason, you don't really need
a reason. You can just do it

406
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:23,880
because it's not real life and it's
okay, And the immediate like retract unfollowed

407
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,039
to me is like, I mean, I don't care. Those things are

408
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,680
not valuable to me. But the
fact that it was an exchange in the

409
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,000
first place only validates that it probably
wasn't a good exchange. Because the people

410
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000
I follow, I follow because I
hope they say something interesting. I've done

411
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,039
the thing where there's the awkward like
I unfollowed them and they unfollowed me,

412
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,720
and like, you know, we
didn't talk for years or whatever, but

413
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,039
then like, oh, you run
into them at an event, you know,

414
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,119
like three four years later, and
you wonder, oh, is this

415
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,279
going to be weird? But it's
gonna be a conversation with them and then

416
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:53,359
it's like okay, and then you
follow each other games like Okay, I

417
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,160
guess we all we just grew up, and you know, yeah, it's

418
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,559
kind of good. But you can
also not grow up or like have any

419
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,880
growth at all. You can also
be in a better place in your life.

420
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,519
You're like, oh, I'm ready
to see your messages again. Right

421
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,640
then, I'm ready to see your
stuff. I've unfollowed people before because they

422
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,960
like worked for a company that like
had nothing to do with games media,

423
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,680
and I really associate my Twitter with
games media. So if you're like I've

424
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,359
decided to work in the steel mill, I might not follow you anymore because

425
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,079
your tweets will no longer be relevant
to me. Right, yeah, that's

426
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,240
fair, and that's it's like a
business transaction. But person the grocery store

427
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,319
wouldn't be a weird thing. No, and unless they made it a weird

428
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,799
thing. And then if they if
I saw them at E three and they

429
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,160
were like huh E three rip and
they were like yeah, you know,

430
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
I'm getting back into it or I'm
playing Zelda now, I'd be like,

431
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,480
all right, I'll refollow you because
you still have something that is of interest

432
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,920
to me. But it's like,
it's not personal. It's not because like

433
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,799
I was a child or mad at
them. It was a transactional thing,

434
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,000
and I think we forget that the
Internet is very transactional. So it's okay

435
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:02,359
to like let it go at the
very least mute for your health. I

436
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,960
mute so many people when I'm like, I've seen too much X, I

437
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,559
just don't want to. Oh,
I've muted people for spoilers a bazillion times.

438
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:15,599
If you if you ever ever ever
tweet something about a TV show and

439
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,240
I haven't seen it yet, I
just I just mute you immediately. I

440
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:19,839
never looked back. I have a
big list of muted words, so I

441
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,079
don't see any of that. But
then I just I literally muted everyone.

442
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:30,359
I have both of you muted,
Like literally everyone on Twitter is muted.

443
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,480
For you to say that you muted, no, I'm literally saying every single

444
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,680
person on Twitter that I follow I
have muted. I'm not kidding. So

445
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:45,119
it's so what do you go on
to Twitter? Four? So I have

446
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,960
to like have a reason to go
on, like I didn't want to just

447
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,799
like news. So yeah, for
instance, like I put everyone into little

448
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:53,599
buckets, like you guys are in
like the gaming and close friends, but

449
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,519
it compartmentalize me. Man, I
put you in close friends you have,

450
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,160
you should also put me in the
list, all right, So, and

451
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,480
I have like a wrestling one,
so if something crazy is going on and

452
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,759
wrestling, some big news broke or
whatever, I can go to my wrestling

453
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,720
list and I can see what wrestling
people are saying. Or I literally never

454
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,319
go to the gaming one. I
just don't care. Gaming Twitter has always

455
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,519
been the fucking worst, So I
don't know what anyone in gaming Twitter said

456
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,279
for like six months. You guys
occasionally see because you're in my close friends

457
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:22,440
one, and every once in a
while I'll be like, oh, I

458
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,279
wonder what's going on with my close
friends And that's a short scroll because there's

459
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,079
only full of people in there.
So yeah, it's it's great, But

460
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680
yes, you're both absolutely yeah,
I'm I'm. We talked about this a

461
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,599
lot. I'm to the point really
where I almost don't go on Twitter ever.

462
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:44,200
Twitter has really become for work.
It helps for new stuff at work.

463
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,319
I'm I'm not always on news stories
at work or even like ever,

464
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,079
but at that point I don't need
to be signed in to see that stuff.

465
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,640
I mean, if something's important,
like I will see tweets allthing,

466
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,519
like I'm in discords, I check
my discords, and like if something crazy

467
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,880
happens or someone tweets something super stupid
or super funny or something like, I

468
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,119
will see it surface somewhere, so
like I'll follow a link and see it.

469
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,279
It's just like it's never the scroll, you know. Yeah, but

470
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:16,559
yeah, I am just like markedly
more content. Yeah all the time.

471
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,400
Not all the time at all,
like during the day, but most of

472
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,400
the time I'm content because I'm not
going on all this. But there's so

473
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:34,680
many reasons that Twitter has become way
less valuable to me. I think some

474
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:38,680
of it is my job now where
in many ways because of my role is

475
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:45,960
to listen to streamers and help advocate
on their behalf, there's a bit of

476
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,799
a floodgate of like issues or problems
or things to work on and fix that

477
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,599
can be overwhelming over time, and
I need to turn it down and turn

478
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,559
it off sometimes so I can refilm
my cup because I would never want to

479
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,680
listen to someone's complaint and think to
myself like who cares? Right, Like

480
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,839
I want to always receive those things
with empathy and with care, so I

481
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,960
would rather not receive them at all
if I am not in a good mindset

482
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:16,160
for it. So I have these
times where I can't really receive Twitter anymore.

483
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,440
But in addition to my work of
how much I can take in,

484
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:28,160
I also used it just for enjoyable
camaraderie of people in the industry. And

485
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:34,319
now because this stupid check mark situation. Every time someone tweets something like interesting,

486
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,400
and I use the word interesting because
it doesn't mean it's right. It

487
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,079
doesn't mean it's wrong. What it
means is is it has a lot of

488
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:45,200
responses because what they've said is something
that makes you want to be involved,

489
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,279
and then you click on the responses
to see what dialogue this like interesting post

490
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,720
has stated, and all the nuanced
responses and all the check mark responses that

491
00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:01,359
are surfaced to the top are just
arbage and most of the time extremely hostile

492
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,759
and sometimes like just dressful and scary
about like what a piece of shit that

493
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,599
person is or how they like suck, and it's just like, this isn't

494
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,039
the kind of discourse that I came
here for. I really liked following you

495
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,679
because when you tweeted something kind of
like crazy and weird. A bunch of

496
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,519
people will be like that's our dan, or like that's a really weird thing

497
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,239
to say, and let me dispute
it. That's so much more interesting than

498
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,719
seeing a bunch of people say that
they don't like you or that they don't

499
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,320
believe you. And it's just like, I don't I don't want to hear

500
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,320
that that type of discussion, and
I didn't sign up for that discussion.

501
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,400
So I've just completely phased out of
Twitter. Well, it just seems like

502
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,400
it's just a total misunderstanding what the
fucking barrication was supposed to be for in

503
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,079
the first place. You know,
it's it's weird seeing like a very public

504
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,800
figure or whatever and you go to
their page and there's no check mark,

505
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,199
because that used to be like,
Okay, that's really them, and now

506
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,320
you can see it and it's like, I don't know, maybe is this

507
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,760
a parody account that got a bunch
of fucking followers? Like I don't just

508
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:07,840
ruin that whole syste completely. It's
so weird that there was a system where

509
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,400
you would get a blue check marks
that people knew that you were either an

510
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,039
important person or historical figure, or
maybe you worked for a company and then

511
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,760
kind of dissolve that concept. So
now that a blue check mark is almost

512
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,519
like a weird sign of stress to
me, Like when I see it,

513
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,880
I question whether or not yeah,
I want to interact with that person.

514
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:37,239
So it's it's really done the opposite
of its intention, and damn, what

515
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,119
a bad call. Let it burn. Let the whole fucking thing burns.

516
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,599
But there needs to be some kind
of backup. I think, I think

517
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,119
what I would say. I don't
know if everyone would agree with me,

518
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:52,280
but my opinion on this is is
having a space where people can freely exchange

519
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,480
ideas in an open forum tightly,
insistinctly, and I think that's important because

520
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,679
like we can all fuck have blogs, but like a tight message to just

521
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,159
say, you know, it's my
birthday. I do have the runs,

522
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,400
but I'm gonna make the best of
it. Having everyone respond in real time

523
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:22,320
and say we root for you is
meaningful in real time. That's just telling

524
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:30,360
someone you have diarrhea and then saying
that my birthday and so it's my should

525
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,760
I tweet? I tweet from the
fire Escape account it's my birthday, but

526
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,920
I have the runs, but I'm
gonna make the best of it. Yeah,

527
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,320
no, just say it's my birthday
but I have the runs. Yeah

528
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:46,119
you should do that. Um oh
hear it. Yeah, now this is

529
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:52,199
what I go on Twitter for.
The thing that's frustrating is like I do

530
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,159
still. I don't know if I'm
just naive. He did tweet go up.

531
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:05,119
It's so stupid. You've put a
period at the end. Its period.

532
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,760
It's a sentence. You guys get
mad at me when I don't have

533
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,719
grammar in my tweets. You get
mad at me, both of you.

534
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,360
It's it's just funny that like you
you you closed off that thought with a

535
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,679
period. I don't know. I
wanted to say, but I'm gonna make

536
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:30,440
the most of it, but I
was told ended like nope, okay,

537
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,079
now say this will make sense in
a week for people. It's uh,

538
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,639
I don't know if it's being naive, but I feel the same way Mary

539
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,280
in terms of like I do I
like the idea of something like Twitter,

540
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,679
if it just wasn't so shitty like
and so like blue Sky, like I

541
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,719
hear about that, imagine non shitty
Twitter exactly. And so it's like,

542
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,920
even though I actively hate Twitter and
have tried to like remove it from my

543
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960
life. I think about like when
I when I see something like blue Sky

544
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,840
and people are like, man,
it's really good, it seems all right,

545
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,360
and I have that part of my
brain it's like I need to get

546
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,320
an invite? Who I know,
how do I get invites? This thing

547
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,480
is being naive, Like it's just
going to turn into the same thing these

548
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,159
people are going to. I'm not
saying like Elon and even like Dorsey did

549
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:15,239
not have a hand in what Twitter
became. However, at the end of

550
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,719
the day, these people who think
blue Sky in five years will be any

551
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,199
different are dumb asses. Yeah,
you're probably right. I mean, it's

552
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,760
going to it's context collapse is going
to happen in this forum. That's not

553
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,280
like it's going to happen. That's
what happened with Facebook. When the news

554
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,280
feed was introduced. You no longer
were just seeing your friends interactions. You

555
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,400
were seeing an interaction that someone had
with someone you're not friends with, so

556
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,239
then you become them. But then
you're like, there's no useful context within

557
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,920
different groups. It's not to say
that like a shared forum is not useful,

558
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,000
but now it's just going to amplify
the same kinds of thoughts that Twitter

559
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:59,280
is right now, maybe it won't. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think

560
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,519
I know A fresh slate would be
good for humanity. You know, sometimes

561
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,400
you just gotta like wipe it and
start again, you know, just like

562
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,519
when you have the runs. I
think you have to like really think you

563
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:16,159
got you gotta like start fresh with
a clean slate. And I think that

564
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:22,360
that really does re establish us as
humanity. When I think of Twitter now,

565
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,920
I think of it as a place
to complain in real time when your

566
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,320
flight is delayed, so that you
can at Alaska and be like, you've

567
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,519
fucked up at Alaska? What are
you going to do? And that's not

568
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,320
what I want that they have a
whole system to fix people's there's a whole

569
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,440
system for that. Lead don't leave
that, don't put that here. This

570
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,760
should be a place where you express
your thoughts about your life and in real

571
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,880
time people can react with you.
One of my favorite use cases of Twitter

572
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,519
is when this is not a positive
one, but when there's an earthquake and

573
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,320
I see in real time a bunch
of people all saying there's a fucking earthquake,

574
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,599
isn't there? And everybody in real
time is like, yep, I

575
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,159
just felt, Oh my god,
I just checked it. It's a it's

576
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,920
a two point nine. Oh yeah, like this book just felt And He's

577
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,880
like, you get to see all
these different things interacting with people at the

578
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,440
time that it's happening, and that
is fascinating too, but that also goes

579
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,320
in the bad place to where like, Okay, there's a mass shooting or

580
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,679
there's some awful thing that happens,
and then it's like that immediacy just leads

581
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,039
to so much misinformation and confusion and
conspiracy theories and all sorts of ship Like

582
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,960
an earthquake. Sure, that's you
know, innocent, you know, there's

583
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,119
no one to fault there, but
like when there's actual like shit going down,

584
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,159
it's like a boy, somebody tweets, I'm like, this is the

585
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,440
suspect, but it's the wrong picture, and now that person's everyone's finding this

586
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,760
person's Facebook, and it's just it's
that turns into a clusterfuck so fucking fast.

587
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,119
It's um, I'm actually reading a
book that I think both you would

588
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:53,400
find fascinating or maybe you've started reading
it. Traffic by the Drug that made

589
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,880
the movie the one where all those
scenes in America are in blue and all

590
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:05,519
these scenes and Texas Mexico Orange because
we just wanted to make sure you knew.

591
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,119
Yeah, no, it's it's traffic
colin genius, rivalry and delusion in

592
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:16,360
the billion dollars Race to Go viral
by Ben Smith. Traffic. If you

593
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,280
look up traffic Ben Smith, you'll
find it. He was this Smith.

594
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,480
He was editor in chief of BuzzFeed
News, among other things for a while.

595
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:30,239
I'm very curious. It's largely about
how BuzzFeed sites like BuzzFeed started,

596
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,239
and then how BuzzFeed News came up, and why BuzzFeed well, as a

597
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,800
very recently, why BuzzFeed News didn't
work um or rather didn't work in the

598
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,079
eyes of the people who owned it. But it's just largely how modern digital

599
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:49,599
media that chases traffic became this thing, and why it's not sustainable. It's

600
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,760
it's there are parts of it I'm
like, I think you're missing the point,

601
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,320
but other parts that are definitely hit
close to home, like, yeah,

602
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,119
I heard it time to be an
online media. Yeah, yeah,

603
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,679
for there's never been a better time. The wider landscape scary for sure.

604
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:14,800
I'm glad I'm at Polygon personally,
like we're doing well. Um but it's

605
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,360
definitely like it's a weird time for
a lot of people. M hmm,

606
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,119
yeah, yes it is. It
is a weird time. But yeah,

607
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:30,280
re traffic if you're time to be
alive. I was in uh Memphis because

608
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,519
I told you guys, I went
to Saint Jude and um, I had

609
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:38,239
to tell you guys this. Did
you guys know that Memphis has a giant

610
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:46,239
pyramid that is uh it's like one
of those like places where you get shooting

611
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,519
stuff, Beast Pro Shop. It's
based it's a giant bass pro shop,

612
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:53,719
but it's a it's a oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the third biggest

613
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,400
pyramid in the world supposedly, but
it's a it's a bass Pro shop.

614
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,119
Didn't it used to be a venue? Look, I think they used to

615
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:05,920
be wrestling shows. They're used it
would have actually been a great wrestling venue.

616
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:10,119
It is saw real as a bass
Pro shop because you walk in it

617
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:17,159
and it's fucking gorgeous, like all
this wood to make these like beautiful sculptures

618
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,519
and there's like all these animals on
the wall. Like you're going into some

619
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,960
outrageous rich person's mansion who goes hunting
for living and you know, probably gonna

620
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,880
like, you know, set you
out to pasture and hunt you down.

621
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:36,360
And then when you walk into the
main area, it's a legit uh would

622
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,960
you call it like a not a
pond, but like a buyou or whatever.

623
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:45,559
And it has legit fish in it
and crocodiles okay, no, no

624
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,760
in the yeah, in the environment. And they're like they're in the area

625
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,440
where you would like get on the
elevator. They can't get you, but

626
00:43:54,519 --> 00:44:01,800
like all glass in case, they're
just there. And you're walking around in

627
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,559
a bass pro shop. There's a
bowling alley, three restaurants. Oh my

628
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,159
god, I'm looking at a picture
that goes up to the top for review.

629
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:19,320
This looks insane. Wikipedia picture.
This is a huge it's fucking insane.

630
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,440
I think we should have our reunion
here. They should set the next

631
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,360
assassins Creed in Memphis. It's so
it's so fucking crazy. Dan, I

632
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,360
couldn't rent my mind around what happened. And like basically, like this was

633
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,880
their big center where they had sports
games, and then they built a bigger

634
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,880
sports game stadium, and so it
was like, what do you do with

635
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:44,679
a sports game stadium when you have
a bigger, better, newer sports game

636
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,199
stadium, and it stayed vacant for
years and then bass Pro is like,

637
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,400
we'll put fucking gators in there,
and they did. Yeah, twenty ten

638
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:55,159
is after five years in negotiating the
bass Pro shops in the city Memphis signed

639
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,880
the agreement. Yeah, but it
used to be like Lennox Lewis versus Mike

640
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,159
Tyson was there, debit, Saint
Valentine's Day masker there, like Tyson von

641
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,519
there. And now there's Crocs by
the elevator. It's the craziest place and

642
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,119
it has it's a massive shop.
You can buy all sorts of stuff.

643
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:14,639
You can buy guns. We checked
out the gun safes just in case.

644
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,239
All the gun racks as you know, gifts. There's an archery range,

645
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,039
a shooting range in a laser oka. There's a bowling alley, a saltwater

646
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:29,239
aquarium. Wow, the tallest freestanding
elevator in America. Yes, holy shit,

647
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:36,199
restaurant bar, multiple restaurants, six
hundred thousand gallons of water. You

648
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,880
can buy an ATV, theream zip
line or they're considering adding a zip line

649
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,840
in the second hotel to the pyramid. Holy shit, second hotel. That's

650
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:50,760
it. Yeah, you can spend
the night man are runt of the luxe

651
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,360
Or Vegas. I think it's an
e sports arena now. The luxe Or

652
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:59,320
is a really interesting concept because it
was made back in the day. Maybe

653
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,400
you can google it, but like
lux Or was made. My dad used

654
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,000
to tell me all this cool stuff
because my dad was a big Vegas person

655
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,119
as an adult, so like probably
my age to where he is now,

656
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:15,400
he went to Vegas every year.
That person as an adults a child,

657
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,480
I just couldn't stops it really into
it. As a child is an adult,

658
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,000
there's nothing to do. As a
kid in Vegas, it's probably boring,

659
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,159
but like as an adult, there's
all this shit to do. He

660
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,920
told me about the luxe Or and
he said it's one of the most fascinating

661
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,639
building creations ever because the whole concept, right was pyramid pyramid pyramid. So

662
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,719
to design it in such a way
where the inside is completely empty and all

663
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,639
the edges are the rooms, it's
a huge feat of engineering that had never

664
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:47,039
been done before. And when they
finished it and they were like, we

665
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:50,960
did it. Look at all of
our good job, and they like had

666
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,119
the public everyone was complaining because when
you flushed the toilet all the pipes went

667
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:59,519
in between the rooms, so you
could hear all the p like going in

668
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,840
between the walls. What's to doing
in a normal hotel? Uh, it

669
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,800
goes down, Yeah, but I
mean it's got to go past all the

670
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,840
room and be Amanda in the room. We're gonna sound dumb. She understands

671
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,239
buildings. Get an engineer in here. I believe there's like specific um like

672
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,559
up together and then they're insulated and
it's not like just surrounding. Well,

673
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,480
okay, you know there's the whole
mystery of like how they built the pyramids

674
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,280
back in the day and like,
but now we've built pyramids in Memphis in

675
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,039
Vegas, like we should know take
that Egyptian No, no, no,

676
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,000
no, no, it's because we
have modern machines and shit they had tons

677
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,400
and like they had a lot of
slaves. Yeah, pay similar concepts though,

678
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:46,000
like mechanics, I mean the actual
levers and pulleys like no that,

679
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:52,239
I mean they'd use machines to do
it in like with nowhere near as many

680
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,159
people, and they pay those people. It was yeah, I mean it

681
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,760
was harder, but it was the
same, right, But did they did

682
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,760
not know how the pyramids were built? I don't know, Like does humanity

683
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,199
still not know how the pyramids were
built? From my understanding, we admit

684
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:14,719
it's a it is a huge feet
of engineering, but it's largely because they

685
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:21,440
had many many slaves died who they
worked non stop doing. Yeah, blocks

686
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,519
up there, Jesus. But yeah, they were using they were using stuff

687
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,280
like I'm fairly I don't know if
they were the ones that figured out but

688
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,920
to move those giant I think it's
limestone from the court pharaohs were taking a

689
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,440
shit. Everyone could hear it,
and that's what we learned. Did the

690
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,000
pharaohs, like I know, chamber
pots were a thing back in the day,

691
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:44,119
but like, did pharaohs and stuff
have like a fancier like shitting receptacle

692
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,199
that they didn't have to like have
sit in their room. I don't know.

693
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Now that I think of it,
I'm putting the connection together that there's

694
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,840
a pyramid building in Memphis, Tennessee, which presumed it is named after Memphis,

695
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,840
Egypt in ancient Egypt. In ancient
Egypt, it was a pretty big

696
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:06,400
it was that was like a tributary
of the Nile. It was a big

697
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,519
it was a big city on the
Nile. But I don't know if there's

698
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:14,719
any connection with the Best Pro Shop
in Memphis, Tennessee. Is there Bass

699
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:22,880
Pro Shop in Egypt. The thing
is is once the pyramid has been abandoned

700
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:29,480
for a certain amount of time,
they will replace it with the Bass Pro

701
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,159
Shop, and they takes about five
years to negotiate, but the Bass Pro

702
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:40,039
Shop will eventually take over every major
building, the pyramids in Egypt. This

703
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,679
I realized how little I know about
Egypt, because like I always assumed when

704
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,000
you hear about ancient Egypt and the
pharaohs and the pyramids, it was like

705
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,360
millions of years ago. But then
it's like I played that Assassin's Creed and

706
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,320
there's like fucking Roman statues and stuff
there. And so it was this like

707
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,599
was this during like the Renaissance that
the pyramids were built or is that like

708
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,360
the timeline. I don't fucking understand
that the Renaissance would have been way after

709
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,159
they had like the paper press back
then, like Egyptians were like carven shit

710
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,400
in the walls. They were the
Egyptians like Jesus times, like two thousand

711
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,760
years. Well, so the Roman
Empire, the Roman Empire came over to

712
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,920
Libya, took over Libya Libya from
understanding was passed back and forth by Roman

713
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,639
and Greek imperialists. When you say
the Roman Empire, do you mean like

714
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:31,760
Caesar? Is that? Yeah,
Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, we're hooking up,

715
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,920
dude. I seriously, every time
I hear Cleopatra, I think it's

716
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,119
the snake hair lady. And I
was like, wait, you Satra like

717
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,039
the historical figures. She's like,
I got a war boss. I forget.

718
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:46,480
It's two different things and clasp fake. Cleopatra's an actual historical person,

719
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:53,119
right, correct, And no snake
nona. Although Cleopatra has been widely mythologized

720
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:58,320
as like the most beautiful woman ever
and that she would what do you want

721
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,400
to say? What's the famous thing? There's this launch thus ships. Right,

722
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,920
No, there was this myth that
that was that's Helen of Troy or

723
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,840
whatever. Right, oh right,
Yeah, there was a myth that Cleopatra

724
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,440
would like offer men the chance to
sleep with her, but the caveat being

725
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,400
they had to get executed in the
morning if they did. But I think

726
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,519
that's been disproven. Oh okay,
but I like that it's a hot man.

727
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,000
It's very praying mantis. Yeah,
like, come, you get it,

728
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,639
but I will kill you. Clip. And then there's still a line

729
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,079
and there's this all these people who
want to die. Clip. Patra's so

730
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:40,599
hot. That's hot. I don't
know it. Kill me in the morning,

731
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:46,239
clip, Patra are hot? Did
she run? She got exiled for

732
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:53,079
a while because her brother or cousin
Tolemmy the Second took over. There's like

733
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,559
a coup and then she was exiled, but she came back and reunited.

734
00:51:55,559 --> 00:52:06,400
Shit about female leaders, like was
Egypt like progressive a recent episode? We

735
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,599
are never understand what's going on there. If people wanted to know whether I

736
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:12,679
read corrections, here's proof because I
remember someone telling me. I think it

737
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,159
was told me, told me the
second. I don't know. Yeah,

738
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,280
um, I've read a lot about
like every day Egyptian life, their practices

739
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:28,519
and stuff. But it's like the
you know, like what would the succession

740
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:36,000
of ancient Cleopatra was Shiv? No, Cleopatra was more Cleopatra would have been

741
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,800
more like logan logan o yeah,
and then but told me the second would

742
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,079
have been Roman. Who's the kindle
of ancient Egypt? Julius Caesar, what

743
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,159
does he have to do with Egypt? Cleopatra. Where, Yes, Roman,

744
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,320
Rome, Egypt and Greece. Aul, how is he getting down there?

745
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:58,199
There? Weren't planes or ships?
Don't take like years, wouldn't it?

746
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:04,159
No, it's not that far then
the Roman Empire, it's across the

747
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,079
Mediterranean Sea. If you told me
they were like ten thousand miles away,

748
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:14,440
I would have I would have believed
you. No, not nearly Europe,

749
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:21,960
right, But Rome Italy was like
Roman Empire stretched, was vast and it

750
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
went all the way down to the
Mediterranean Sea. Wait, so the Roman

751
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Empire was that outside of Italy too. Yes, Roman Empire is different than

752
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:37,159
Rome today although many like Rome.
Italy the capital today was the site of

753
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,199
is the site of many Roman rules
because it was part of the Roman Empire.

754
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,719
Roman Empire was like all he was
trying to like they wanted. They

755
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,679
were everywhere in your Did Rome like
own England back then? Uh? Yeah,

756
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,239
Romans in England That's what they owned
it. Like so Caesar like made

757
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,840
England law. No, Caesar would
have been I don't know when Caesar would

758
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:00,480
have been. Um, but like
Rome had a heavy hand in Hadrian's Wall,

759
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,320
thank you. Hadrian's Wall was the
Roman thing that they built to keep

760
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,000
out the visigoths, barbarians and as
they called them. Um, you've seen

761
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,840
the movie King Arthur with Clive Owen. It's about movies. That was sick.

762
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,079
Matts Michelson is a bird that he
sends out to attack people that life.

763
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:22,519
No, I don't think Tristan was
a real person. You just didn't

764
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,400
know. Does Matt Michelson's do that
even hotter? If he did, he's

765
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:37,800
already pretty sick. He's hot hot. You can kill me and Cleopatra.

766
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,960
I've watched Matt's Michelson Cleopatra bang and
then kill me in the morning and be

767
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:49,159
worth it. That's hot, you
guys want to I'm looking forward to the

768
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:55,559
corrections. I look forward to definitely
Tatra. I'm sure I was having an

769
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:59,840
intense deja vu before I realize,
oh, this isn't deja vu. This

770
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:04,199
happened. It probably also happened like
six times like me, and you will

771
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,360
be right back to Cleopatra in like
three episodes, I'm sure, because she's

772
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:13,840
hot. Pictures of Cleopatra. Yeah, uh, well that's what I was

773
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:20,599
gonna say. So they like they
did that historical record reconstruction of what she

774
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,440
actually would have looked like. I
don't know how they do it. I

775
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,960
think it's like an amalgamation of what
a lot of people in that part of

776
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000
the world in that time period would
have looked like Inde, I I don't

777
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:37,519
want to be. Everybody's beautiful in
their own way, but this woman they

778
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:43,599
reconstructed was not the woman you've seen
in like paintings and fictionalization and whatnot.

779
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,800
It's it's fucked up when you see
pictures of people that you think there shouldn't

780
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,559
be pictures of, Like like you
see like a picture of Abraham Lincoln,

781
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,679
like not a painting, Like there
are just pictures of Lincoln, And I'm

782
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:58,119
saying, how the fuck, Like
there's there shouldn't have been cameras. That's

783
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:04,159
a whole movie with it. It's
about the vampire vampire killer. I'm talking

784
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:10,679
about Lincoln the movie. There was
Abraham Lincoln, vampire Hunter. Jeremy Strong

785
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,000
is in Lincoln. Yeah, who
was he in Lincoln? It's like his

786
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,000
No, it's like his assistant or
something, because remember in that big I

787
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,880
can't remember his vandy a pair of
gqu or what they interviewed him about.

788
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,800
What a psycho he is? Oh, I guess he probably like fucking lived

789
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,159
in the eighteen hundreds for a year
to get ready for that role or something

790
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,239
like. I don't know, like
that was his first like big breakthrough thing.

791
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,960
I think Daniel da Lewis was like
his big idol and everything, so

792
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,320
that was a deal for him.
So I remember they interviewed um, Brian

793
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,000
Cox for that was in New Yorker
profile Yes, where Brian Cox is just

794
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,840
like, yeah, well so does
he. I think he came across that

795
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,599
he likes him on on like a
friendly level emotional level. But the quotes

796
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,280
he was saying, he's like,
yeah, I'm a bit worried about him.

797
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:57,639
Yeah, I don't really drive with
that stuff. They're like the I

798
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,280
forgot how they phrase it. The
writer, I gotta look at again,

799
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:06,079
but the writers like they had.
When asked how he has such good performances

800
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,920
without taking baggage home with him after
works over, he responded, I'm an

801
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,519
actor. It's the job that really
just pretend to be a guy and be

802
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:17,440
good at it. Yeah. No, no, no, Bryan Cox was

803
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,559
saying, Oh, say that's my
job. They're like, hey, you're

804
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:24,719
on Broadway, like you you've won
some major awards. How do you not

805
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,199
take it? Home. He's like, I'm an actor. That's what we

806
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,400
do, That's why I'm supposed to
work. Um. I've learned that I

807
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,000
really need to meet Karen Culkin.
Um. I've heard from several people that

808
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:39,280
I haven't seen it, but I
heard he just talks about wrestling and plays

809
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:43,280
you can be ticon and punch out, and I feel like I would get

810
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,119
along with Karen. Oh, he
goes. He starts going on a tangent

811
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,760
about how you need to play it
on a did you talk about crtvs?

812
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Like the input doesn't make sense on
an HTMI? It's like it doesn't.

813
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,679
Oh my god, I gotta meet
this guy, all right, He's it's

814
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,280
he He's simultaneously like someone I'd love
to hang out with, but also someone

815
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,400
like if he wasn't famous and I
just met in another world, if he

816
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,280
wasn't famous and I just met him
at the bar, like, I would

817
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:14,400
not like him. How much of
Roman is him? You think? Seems

818
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,360
like a lot? Okay, but
but no, no, character wise,

819
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,360
I don't. I think he's putting
on like a huge show. I mean,

820
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,800
Roman's a nightmare. Yeah, yeah, romans possibly the worst, wouldn't

821
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:32,679
He says he's the funniest one.
Yeah he is. Yeah, but because

822
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:38,440
he's so bad, he is the
terrible Yeah, from the last one.

823
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,159
But just like there was a rough
one for Roman, the last one.

824
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,079
Yeah yeah. The the insults this
season have just devolved in him. Be

825
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:49,440
like he'll answer from be like,
Hey, what's up? Fucking fun funck?

826
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,519
What do you want? There's just
so much he can't even be clever

827
00:58:52,559 --> 00:59:02,559
with his Yeah, all right,
you guys want talking? All right?

828
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,320
A bunch of games coming out or
have come out later early May. M

829
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:13,039
hmmm, got another one on the
horizon. Oh there's another on the horizon.

830
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,760
Oh it's on the horizon. Yeah, yeah, looking forward? No,

831
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,599
no, are you I I don't
even know if I'm allowed to say.

832
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,840
Oh I wonder, I wonder if
you are I am. Yeah,

833
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,159
Yeah, that's great. I did
play well. So we we have not

834
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:34,360
talked about Tears the Kingdom yet.
On Fire Escape, you and I did

835
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,360
do that prevw together, which you
talked about Giant Bomb I wrote about in

836
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,920
Polygon. What were your thoughts from
then? What do you think? For

837
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:45,079
real? That's you guys can be
more real on here. Why don't you

838
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,400
tell me what you actually think?
Now? I'm just dying because there's so

839
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,679
much in this fucking head right now. But he's just gonna talk about the

840
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,960
preview. He's just gonna talk.
Yes, I'm gonna talk. I'm just

841
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,119
like curious what you thought of the
previo because I never talked. I loved

842
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:02,159
it personally. I loved it.
And I heard I heard that you thought

843
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,719
that the controls were kind of finnicky
with uh, you know, putting the

844
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,719
stuff on, you know, stick
and stuff. Are you joking? Wait?

845
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,519
I thought no. I a lot
of people on Twitter saying that,

846
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:16,960
and I in Polygon slack was people
were asking me they were like with the

847
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,840
controls, they were like, no, like Breath of the Wilds weren't great

848
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,320
in the beginning either, Like I
don't know who told me. I thought

849
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
someone told me that you thought they
were finnicky or something. Okay, well,

850
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:29,280
no, I was going to defend
them in saying that, like I

851
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,199
thought they were fine. Like it
did take a little like fiddling and stuff

852
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:35,360
in the same way that like if
you can do the magnesias stuff, you

853
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,639
know, yeah, and rotate you
know whatever, like it's not that hard.

854
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:42,920
But I said on Giant Bomb that, like the thing is I was

855
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,360
comfortable giving Breath of the Wild to
my dad because you know, he didn't

856
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,199
but he doesn't really play games.
But I figure it's it's so open and

857
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,440
you can just kind of explore and
make your own fun that I I thought

858
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,800
he could, and he did.
He really enjoyed it. But where he

859
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,639
got kind of tied up is in
moments where you kind of have to do

860
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:05,079
a little more nuanced control stuff.
And I did think that the attaching things

861
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:08,400
and the ultra hand stuff and everything
did require more than Breath of the Wild

862
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,880
to a degree that like someone like
my dad or maybe a very small child

863
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,000
might struggle with it a little more. I did not struggle with it.

864
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:20,320
I played a lot of Breath of
the Wild. I get used to it.

865
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,239
It's fine. So yeah, I
was ready for you to say that

866
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:30,159
you hated the controls and suffing.
No, I what was my I didn't

867
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:31,599
even It was one of the things
where I came away from the previews,

868
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:37,840
like there was if you have been
playing Breath of the Wild for a while,

869
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:43,800
I think most of this will feel
at home, or you'll feel right

870
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,639
at home. It's just like they
were already trying to cram a lot onto

871
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,519
a controller in Breath of the Wild. I don't think it was perfect by

872
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:58,519
any means. I think that the
fact that they've just added more involved abilities

873
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:05,280
than Magnesis and the would they call
those his runs, I think it might

874
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,559
take some getting used to. But
again, for our preview, we were

875
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:20,599
thrown into seventy minutes of having all
of links abilities and like trying to figure

876
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:22,039
them out right away, like they
set up the demo for us, so

877
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,320
like that's unfortunate because that's not really
like the correct It was just the lots

878
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,400
to figure out. Like even if
you hadn't playing Breath of the Wild,

879
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,039
it would have been like, okay, shit, I got to get used

880
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:37,159
to using recall, which is the
rewind. Well obviously to start at an

881
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,519
earlier area, but I understand what
they're doing. Like I don't fault them

882
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,960
for it, but I would have
preferred to start at the beginning because now

883
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,960
you're like, how do I use
all these items? Yeah, they just

884
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,599
wanted to be like, here's the
whole toolbox. Have fun, and like

885
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,119
they did. There was like a
presentation beforehand where they were like, which,

886
01:02:55,159 --> 01:02:58,000
hey, so this is how this
thing works, and here's how this

887
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,519
thing works. So they didn't just
drop us in cold. They did kind

888
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:02,000
of show us like, here's the
gist of it. Yeah, go have

889
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:07,079
fun. But yeah, I'm sure. I look, I have not played

890
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,480
the game beyond that. I am
sure there is a similar deal to like

891
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:13,559
the Great Plateau, where it's like, Okay, here's the new abilities.

892
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,719
Do these four things to prove you
know how to use them, and then

893
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,639
go nuts. I love the way
Brought the Wild did that. Even coming

894
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,440
out of the preview, I was
like, it's Nintendo. If any developer,

895
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:27,079
if any first party studios know how
to tutorialize their games, they are

896
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,760
the master of it, right.
I was not worried coming out of the

897
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:36,880
preview, but yeah, it's just
like the Yeah. So the demo we

898
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,000
did was a series of islands.
They basically were like, Okay, get

899
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,280
up to that one, and then
use that one and then that one.

900
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,880
And even in that small amount of
time, in that seventy minutes we played

901
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,960
that we recorded, we actually played
a few more minutes before it. It's

902
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:57,639
like everybody the demo is doing things
differently. I was in order to get

903
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,440
there's this one island finally that like
stump me for a bit. I think

904
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:06,320
most people basically you were trying to
connect Zoni items, which is like a

905
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:13,199
Zoni rockets or they're basically the items
you can they're like the mechanical parts to

906
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,719
the vehicles you can make from the
ultrahandability, and you can fuse weapons with

907
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,199
them, which is also a whole
other thing. I think a lot of

908
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:25,960
people were putting rockets on the side
of these floating barges and then angling them

909
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,119
up to get up at the island. Instead, I went straight to the

910
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:33,840
bottom of the island and it had
this big stalactite hanging from the bottom,

911
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:39,679
and I got under it and you
can use Ascend. I think a lot

912
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:43,280
of people, based on footage before
that preview, we're thinking Ascend would only

913
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,320
work on thin ceilings to get to
the floor above. In the demo we

914
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,920
played, you can go to the
bottom of that stalactite, use as scend

915
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:56,400
and he'll link swims up through this
like ethereal space inside it for like hundreds

916
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,360
of yards. Yeah, and that's
ability. Like I had to remind myself

917
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,880
that I had it, because it's
like, I don't think I've ever played

918
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,960
a game that lets you just like
basically no clip in that way where it's

919
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,119
like, yeah, it's one direction, you're going up. Yeah, but

920
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:11,039
it's you can just go through a
lot of shit with that because like then

921
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:16,199
Breath of the While is great because
you could climb most surfaces. That combined

922
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:20,920
with the paraglider made it easier than
any game that comes to mind and meet

923
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:27,239
any trying to think like superhero.
I mean, they're superhero games that make

924
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,199
going like vertical easy, but like
in terms of like a semi grounded human

925
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:38,599
being, him being able to glide
down his stuff or climb stuff was great.

926
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,920
And then just playing that demo,
I was like, oh, man,

927
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,559
ascend. Combined with the paraglider,
you can be like a fucking I

928
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:49,679
imagine you could be like a ninja. But it's it felt I felt the

929
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:53,440
same way. I was like,
fuck, I forgot I had ascend.

930
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:59,199
And then also, what did I
do the part where a bunch of Bocabblin's

931
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,280
role the spike ball down the ramp. I immediately fused it with a stick.

932
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,159
I had to make a spike fuse
the ball. Yeah, so you

933
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:11,480
do so based on the preview,
you could you could fuse it doesn't matter

934
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:14,039
how based on the preview, it
didn't matter how big something was, you

935
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,639
know, the parrot the airplane glider
thing you could make later on. Yeah,

936
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:21,199
yeah, someone the treehouse rep next
to me recommended that I fuse my

937
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:27,559
shield with that parrolder and then they
shrink to fit the weapon you fuse it

938
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:30,239
with. So the spike ball became
like a morning Star. But other people

939
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,480
said they recalled the spike ball up
to the both albumins. That's what I

940
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:35,239
did, Yeah, and I was
like, oh fuck, I forgot I

941
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:39,840
had recall. It's one of those
games where you have such it was one

942
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,239
of those demos where I had such
crazy abilities for long periods of time.

943
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,800
I could imagine myself coming out of
it, like forgetting I had this and

944
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,880
that. So it's it's exciting links
less like just this magician. Now he's

945
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:57,280
like a full on like engineer,
which is super cool. And that's just

946
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,239
not something that like Zelda has done
a lot of fucking things for a long

947
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,280
time. I'd never I don't think
any of them have had the type of

948
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,079
like kind of crafting, fusing type
of situation that this does. No,

949
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,280
I came out of it being like
it feels like a Nintendo is just like

950
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:17,360
making cheat codes the game or like
giving players these these crazy codes right away

951
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:24,440
to fuck with shit. It also
like the game is really fucking funny,

952
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,000
Like you could tell Nintendo's having fun
with it. I mean that they seemed

953
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,679
like they were having fun with Breath
of the Wild. But Breath of the

954
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:33,920
Wild, by contrast, compared to
this shit that we saw, Like someone

955
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:39,840
pointed out after watching my footage I
recorded from the preview, how dumb funny

956
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:45,639
it is that because now most of
the weapons you're it seems like you're going

957
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:48,519
to be using our fused weapons.
Yeah, in order to make the bo

958
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:53,840
Cobblin parts that you fuse with weapon
Like now all the bo Cobblins have like

959
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,760
scythes for horns and like swords for
horns. It's like they've evolved a bunch

960
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,159
of weapons. Yea, the Wild
they didn't have that if so someone on

961
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:05,639
Polygon I was like, I love
that they're like lore justification for making these

962
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:11,079
weapons shaped is now just they added
these like these horns are no longer like

963
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:16,399
look real at all. It's just
like basically yeah, it's like Nintendo,

964
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,119
you could carre didn't. You could
tell they didn't care like about the justification.

965
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,520
Um, but yeah, I mean
I was putting fusing shit right away.

966
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,760
Fuse was super fun, um,
and like that was four islands in

967
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:36,800
the demo, Like I'm I was
already imagining like going to the Eldon region

968
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,039
where it's all gore and shit and
volcanic and like the stuff you could fuse

969
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:43,800
there and build there, et cetera. And then same thing with like the

970
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,520
line reason with the Zora armor and
weapons and spears from Breath of presumably you

971
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,399
know, like stuff that they're just
like thinking back on Breath of the Wild,

972
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,239
what Breath of the Wild would have
been like if I could fuse all

973
01:08:54,279 --> 01:09:01,479
this stuff? It was really exciting. Um, by and large, did

974
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:06,159
you dislike anything from the preview?
No, I'm I came away from that

975
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:11,079
thinking about the possibilities of the full
game and I haven't been able to stop

976
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:15,159
thinking about it, and it's killing
me because I'm not playing it, and

977
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,039
I know a ton of people I
know are and I want to ask a

978
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:21,800
million fucking questions, but I also
don't want to know. And also there

979
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,760
was news, you know, as
of this recording that it's out there,

980
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,520
This game is out there apparently,
so I know that information is out there.

981
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,600
I could go to some large websites
right now and hear everything from the

982
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:36,880
leagues apparently, and that it intrigues
me. But I just don't want to

983
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,359
know. I want to go in
blind. It was one of my favorite

984
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:44,199
game experiences ever, going into Breath
of Wild not knowing anything about it,

985
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,760
and I don't want to know.
I loved it. I loved being surprised.

986
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,960
I don't want to know. I
said the same thing in my tweets.

987
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:59,319
I'm not watching the trailers, oh
no, And everyone was freaking out

988
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:01,039
when that trailer happened, and I
was like, I want to know,

989
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:06,079
because, well, did you know
about these abilities we're talking about. I

990
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:09,439
haven't been listening to you, guys. I've blocked it out. I'm really

991
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:15,359
good at it. I've just been
like zoned out. I definitely know when

992
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:17,399
it's best that I'm not paying attention. First of all, I can't help

993
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,359
you because I haven't played the preview, so there's really nothing I can add.

994
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,920
I did hear about the nipples,
sure, but I don't think that's

995
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,880
actually a spoiler. Well, you
know, I guess we'll find out if

996
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,720
it is. I I'm okay with
it. Yeah, I'm away from the

997
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:39,079
preview thinking that this, like elden
Ring in its own way, was really

998
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,199
fucking funny, like a comedy in
a lot of ways. Yeah, I

999
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:46,279
came away from the preview of Tears
the Kingdom hoping that they Nintendo was going

1000
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:51,880
for like this giant triple a open
world comedy in a similar vein. It's

1001
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,359
just fucking crazy to me though,
because, like I think, all things

1002
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,960
considered, like Breath of the Wild
is about the most open ended open world

1003
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:01,479
game I've ever played in terms of
just go wherever you want to in any

1004
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,479
order, do things the way you
want to solve these shrines the way you

1005
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,000
want to in ways that are just
insane that like the developers probably didn't even

1006
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:13,199
think about, like just all these
systems working together in tandem to create magic.

1007
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,119
I'm excited to play, Yeah,
I mean, like just I'm assuming

1008
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,600
just today, probably somewhere on YouTube
someone posted something that they did in Breath

1009
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,800
of the While that no one had
done before. The fact that Nintendo is

1010
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,439
like tripling down on that and Tears
of Kingdom be like, oh, like,

1011
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,640
it's super cool to see that Nintendo
presumably enjoyed that aspect and now they're

1012
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,279
giving them even more tools to fucking
sequence break every five minutes if you wanted

1013
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,159
to. That's what's insane to me, is like if they are trippling down

1014
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,760
on the game that was already the
most insane in that regard, Like what

1015
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,319
does this even fuck? And it
looks like what clips are we going to

1016
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:50,399
see them out of this? What
does the speed rank man be going to

1017
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:56,800
be? Like this thing? It's
holy shit, It's it's like even more

1018
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:02,199
heartening that it's Nintendo taking that approach. Nintendo like a lot of their first

1019
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:09,760
party games are playful, but I
wouldn't with control. I was gonna say,

1020
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,119
I wouldn't dubbed Nintendo the studio.
I would expect to give up this

1021
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:17,199
much control to the I agree.
We said that about the first like Zelda

1022
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,920
Breath of the Wild, which is
this is really out of character and out

1023
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:27,399
of pocket and a lot of people
don't like that. So I some Zelda

1024
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:32,159
fantade of it and it's doubling down
interesting. Well, I'm excited to play

1025
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,039
it when it comes out. I
don't think we should say anymore. I

1026
01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:40,520
think we should uh, I think
we should lock that one up. Sure,

1027
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,439
talking about it, I also played
h I got off Corressant in Star

1028
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,680
Wars Jedi Survivor, and I had
really positive impressions that game. I wanted

1029
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:56,439
to play more. I played on
PC, and I every time I went

1030
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,960
to the start menu, it broke
the audio on my PC to restart my

1031
01:13:00,039 --> 01:13:01,239
computer, and I tried several times. I was like, okay, if

1032
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:04,920
I just don't pause, it'll be
okay. And just the beginning, it

1033
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:09,119
just you know, it's the thing
where you're walking and you're handcuffed and it's

1034
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:11,199
just like, oh, here's the
world, and you know, guys are

1035
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,560
talking to you. It just everything
just reeked to me, like this seems

1036
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,079
like a safe Triple A licensed game, and I feel like, I'm sure

1037
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:20,720
it's gonna be fine. I'm sure
it's gonna be very well crapped and everything.

1038
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:25,880
But nothing about what I've seen or
read about this game, like I

1039
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,560
fell off the first one. I
got like almost to the end of the

1040
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,279
first one, and it just wasn't
really moving me in any way. So

1041
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:32,720
like, I just I don't know
if I want to put the time into

1042
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,800
this one. You know, Yeah, I like the first one, despite

1043
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:41,399
even some late game annoying shit.
The lack of fast travel was very annoying,

1044
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,199
especially in a game where it's like
yes on the elevator, pitch is

1045
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,760
Dark Souls meets Dark Souls Light meets
Star Wars, and I think they now

1046
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,680
that even more in the second game, and they added some quality of life

1047
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:59,760
stuff for the metroid Vania aspects on
backtracking, and I have not had too

1048
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,760
much backtracking yet, but already it
seems like they iron out some kinks in

1049
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,199
the first game. I'm not far
in at all, but I do want

1050
01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:12,319
to play more at some point,
Mary, have you been playing anything but

1051
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:17,520
a couple of things. I played
the Cult of the Lamb DLC really nice

1052
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,840
to be back in Cults of the
Lamb. I forgot how much I enjoyed

1053
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,520
that game and that experience. It
was like one of my favorite games last

1054
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:31,359
year. So it gives you a
really good excuse. It redes all bosses

1055
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:34,720
and there's like four and then I
think there will be a final boss that

1056
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,680
I didn't get to, which means
it's in many ways the game again,

1057
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:44,880
because that's a lot of worlds you'll
probably remember, but I'll refresh remember if

1058
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,319
you don't that when you go into
a new area like a grass area or

1059
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:56,239
the woods area, whatever. You
have to complete it like four times right

1060
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,119
open the door, right to open
the door. So it's a lot of

1061
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:10,359
work to get through those areas.
Doing that with a full area for my

1062
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,079
home whatever, because I've I've completely
established it. I've got rocks, it's

1063
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:18,720
beautiful, I've got gems. There's
everything you could ever need. There's bathrooms,

1064
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:25,000
there's morgues. I've they've got new
upgrades I've never were aware of.

1065
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:27,760
I don't know if you had these. They had cooks now, so I

1066
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,239
don't. It's a cook. Oh, it's pretty crazy, Like you assign

1067
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,039
one of your followers to be a
cook, and so somebody's out there like

1068
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:43,239
flipping eggs and it's all automated.
You had to cook, and then that

1069
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,399
attracted everybody to wherever your kitchen was, right they all kind of hop up

1070
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,319
there and eat all the food.
Yeah, Okay, that's enticing because I

1071
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:55,119
like that game quite a bit too. But after a while, the routine

1072
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:59,520
of going around blessing people, cooking, going to do one of the ceremonies

1073
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:05,520
of sacrific ices got a bit old
quick. Yeah, like the repetition of

1074
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:13,720
it is unnecessary. It's a new
game. Plus they're giving you easier outs

1075
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,800
to make it seamless. I think
you still have repetition. For example,

1076
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:26,159
Um, you I'm at the point
where everybody's house sucks up their prayer juice

1077
01:16:26,199 --> 01:16:29,319
and then you can like come and
gather it. That's all manual. So

1078
01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:31,680
I'm going to like each house and
just like hitting X and like scooping up

1079
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,720
all their all their juice. Um. I forget what it's called, but

1080
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,520
you know what I mean, Like
the juice yea devotion. It's like the

1081
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,600
thing that they give me so that
I can upgrade my abilities. I have

1082
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,039
to like still manually suck all that
juice out. Um. I don't mind,

1083
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:57,960
but I do. Uh. And
then there's new um rituals and things

1084
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,119
you can do with your cult.
But I would say largely what you're doing

1085
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:09,359
is the combat areas, the going
through those new rooms fighting tougher enemies.

1086
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:14,680
It is tougher. They've are assuming
that you are skilled up at this point,

1087
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:18,760
and they are not going easy on
you. I died several times trying

1088
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:24,239
to beat the main boss and then
get them, but it took it took

1089
01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:29,119
time. It was not easy,
and they accounted for the fact that you've

1090
01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:31,119
been playing this game for a while. It's you have to have beaten it

1091
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,680
to get into it, Like,
yeah, I think so. Otherwise I

1092
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:41,439
think you wouldn't be able to because
I would almost consider this new game plus

1093
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,000
because the idea is that it's not
DLC like it's a new world like you've

1094
01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:50,000
started over. It's the same world, but all the all the areas that

1095
01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:56,239
you went into, the four areas, they've been totally reflipped with new enemies

1096
01:17:56,279 --> 01:18:00,520
and new bosses, and then there's
a new main guy waiting for you at

1097
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,840
the end. Okay, so it's
just new combat, and if you're interested

1098
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,119
in the combat in that game,
then it's worth revisiting. I really enjoyed

1099
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,800
going back and playing it again.
I don't think I have the same like

1100
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,279
level of addiction that I had last
year. Maybe it's because starting up your

1101
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:19,800
cult is really exciting. Yes,
my cult is self sufficient now, so

1102
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,600
I don't feel that same urge try
to play. It feeds the purpose of

1103
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:30,520
a cult, doesn't it. Yeah, they want sufficient. I know they're

1104
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,439
working themselves out at this point.
You know, the only thing I have

1105
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,079
to do is put a couple of
people in jail every once in a while.

1106
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:39,840
That's it, Like it's there's nothing
to stress about with the cult anymore.

1107
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,920
And maybe that isn't good, right, You're right, you do enjoy

1108
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,880
solving cult problems. I mean that
was that was my favorite part. Like

1109
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,920
I remember every time I had to
go into the woods and do the stuff.

1110
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,760
It's like, I'll do this and
it's fine. Like I didn't dislike

1111
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,680
the combat, but it's like,
yeah, like I want to go build

1112
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,239
stuff and have weird you know,
just like you know the ritual and all

1113
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:01,319
that. But you run out of
materials, right, and so you have

1114
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:05,000
to go on these hikes because getting
wood is really precious. So in the

1115
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:10,159
DLC, when you're going on these
adventures, you know, the pathways give

1116
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,399
you the ability to like this one
will give you wood and this one will

1117
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:15,119
give you a new follower. And
it's like it's not really motivating to get

1118
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:18,880
wood because I have wood making machines
and then I have a full time dude

1119
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:23,079
who converts my wood into planks.
So every time I go home, I

1120
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:28,840
can build whatever I want. I'm
not resource poor anymore. I have everything

1121
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,640
occultists could want. So you're really
playing it for the combat. Okay,

1122
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:36,000
you say it was free or is
it paid it was free for me.

1123
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,000
I I think it's free. Yeah, I thought I heard it was free.

1124
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:51,920
I think it's free. I didn't
freet's come for me. If it's

1125
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:56,880
not, it's free. Yeah,
we're recording as of this episode. Going

1126
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:01,520
up, the Case of the Golden
Idol DLC will be out Cult to the

1127
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,319
Lamb. No, sorry, I'm
transfer Case of the Golden Idol. Last

1128
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:13,920
year's Detective Logic puzzle game is also
has new DLC. Oh, I don't

1129
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,159
know what that game is, Yes, you do. We talked. Did

1130
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:18,239
we not talk about Case of the
Golden Idol last year? Yes, we

1131
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:21,760
did. Maybe, I don't know. It did fairly well. We talked

1132
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,279
about it a decent Well, it
wasn't very good because we've forgotten it.

1133
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:31,840
Yeah, I don't remember. Oh
wait, did it come out? We

1134
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,119
absolutely talked about it during Game of
the Year stuff like you talked about it.

1135
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:41,399
Yeah, got technic, really good
taste. You should play this game.

1136
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,640
This is the game I was telling
you, Dan, I remember when

1137
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,279
we first talked about it that.
Um it's these still images are kind of

1138
01:20:46,319 --> 01:20:49,600
like still scenes of murders, and
you're trying to figure out what happened,

1139
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,319
piecing together these logic puzzles based on
who that character isn't who that is.

1140
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,880
If this character is that, then
they wouldn't have this weapon, et cetera.

1141
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:01,520
If you haven't Yeah, logic,
but based on these, we had

1142
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,439
the same conversation. Yeah, if
you're like going to be on a flight

1143
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,880
or something, it's probably really good
for that or Steam deck fucking perfect for

1144
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:16,800
steam deckses. They're calling him Golden
Idol Mysteries, which implies that I think

1145
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,319
they're going to do more, which
is awesome. If people haven't played Case

1146
01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:26,359
of the Golden Idol, they should
it brought it up on the podcast for

1147
01:21:26,399 --> 01:21:30,359
the first time. Yeah, it
is good. Yeah, I'm curious about

1148
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:33,399
this game I've never heard before.
Yeah, we talked about Mary. You're

1149
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:39,760
like an indie queen. I played
indie games. You should have played Case

1150
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,960
of Golden Idole. I consider it
a failure on your part that you don't

1151
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,359
know what it is. I hope
you can't feel me in that box.

1152
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,760
I can't know them all. There's
so many indies. I think it's a

1153
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,439
failure that you never brought it to
my attention before. Yeah, you should

1154
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,800
have brought it up on our video
game podcast. Okay, literally have a

1155
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:57,159
podcast for this reason. My I, Uh, somebody who's listening right now,

1156
01:21:57,239 --> 01:22:00,000
please clip when I talked about it, and look any take anything.

1157
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,600
Yeah, they're just gonna put words
in my mouth. It's a lie.

1158
01:22:03,039 --> 01:22:08,079
Yeah that's hot. Um yeah,
you should play Kays of Gold. Niel

1159
01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:13,039
though he'd like it, I think, Um, I have not played Red

1160
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:16,079
Fall yet. Let me, Oh
you played it, Dan, didn't you

1161
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,079
a little bit? It's I did
the preview event like a month or whatever

1162
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:24,000
ago, and then I played a
little bit with Backler on the quick look

1163
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,319
on Giant Bomb. Oh man.
Look, I've recorded a lot of quick

1164
01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:30,600
looks and a lot of videos about
a lot of games over a lot of

1165
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,680
time, and I've never done a
video that was just so emotionless as the

1166
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:38,600
quick look of Redfall is me and
Backler. It's just it's so boring.

1167
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,279
It is so nothing that game that
you just run out of stuff to talk

1168
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,239
about with it. Like we just
both ended that quick look being like,

1169
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:47,920
I guess we both should just uninstall
this right now to free up some our

1170
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:53,000
drive space. It is just fucking
static. It is nothing. It is

1171
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:58,359
It's an open world game. Where
watched that video and we set an objective

1172
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,880
across the map and we're walking and
it's like, oh, co op open

1173
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,199
world game, let's go do some
cool shit and see what kind of fun

1174
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,079
stuff that can distract us along the
way, and some combat scenarios we'll get

1175
01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:10,840
into. And no, we're just
we're just quiet and we're just walking and

1176
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,920
everything looks and feels like it was
made in twenty twelve and it was like

1177
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,760
a ho hum Borderlands clone back then. But no new, big fucking game

1178
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:24,199
from Arcane in twenty twenty three.
And it's fucking soulless. It's fucking boring,

1179
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:28,640
it's fucking broken at times in terms
of the AI. It is empty.

1180
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:33,960
It is how the fuck did this
happen? It smells, Yeah,

1181
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:43,520
it's it's stinky. Um as you
both probably know, I'm an Arcane I

1182
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,840
it's funny, Like I would actually
say, the last game I really liked

1183
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,439
from them was Prey in two thousands
seventeen. I believe it's great. They

1184
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:58,680
then worked on or helped do Wolfenstein
Young Blood. But oh that was a

1185
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,319
co op one right, yeah,
it was um But then they did Death

1186
01:24:02,359 --> 01:24:06,479
Loop that was the leone studio,
so that was not Austin um so This

1187
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:12,479
is personally the first thing from Austin
is this the one replays four different types

1188
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,399
of people. Yeah, and like
a Stephen King esque midnight mass kind of

1189
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,319
cartoon. Vampire Players has the bones
of something that's interesting. Now when they

1190
01:24:20,319 --> 01:24:24,479
showed that, like that that a
trailer that they debuted with where it's like,

1191
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,640
oh, it's this like stylish four
player vampire hunting thing, and it's

1192
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,199
like none of that style or fun
or levity is like, none of that's

1193
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:34,239
there in the game. It's just
soulless and empty. Yeah, and I'm

1194
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:38,960
gonna play it just because I've it's
an Arcane game. I don't have high

1195
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:44,159
hopes based on everything I've heard.
Um, I've often like liked their games

1196
01:24:44,199 --> 01:24:47,720
in theory more than in practice.
Death Loop is kind of chief among them.

1197
01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:53,640
Dishonored. I love those games,
but going back to them sometimes they're

1198
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,880
they're kind of messy. Um in
terms of like people say like, oh,

1199
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,800
it's an immersive sim you can do
this and that, it was like,

1200
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:04,800
it's actually kind of restrictive. It's
kind of ironic to me that Nintendo

1201
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:12,479
is releasing basically an immersive sim two
weeks after Arcane Studios putting out an immerse

1202
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:17,640
SIM and I've played an hour of
Nintendo's Well, that's not true. I

1203
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,520
played an hour that I could talk
about based on the hour that I've played

1204
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,920
one week. Yes, I was
still coming out of that more excited for

1205
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,279
Tears the Kingdom as an immersive SIM
experience than I was for Red Fall,

1206
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,319
and now even more so based on
what I've heard about Red Fall. That's

1207
01:25:34,319 --> 01:25:38,960
a shame. The abilities aren't fun. The skill tree is not fun.

1208
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:44,520
It's like the characters aren't good.
Cool character, compelling character design with like

1209
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,199
actual abilities to shake up combat can
take a game a long way, even

1210
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:50,760
if everything around it's not good.
But I've heard even that is like,

1211
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,239
no, it's still kind of just
a boring shooter. Yeah, the gun

1212
01:25:55,279 --> 01:26:00,560
players really just wrote it is a
cool world. Arcane making a like basically

1213
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,439
their take on Elevator pitch Wise,
Arcane making a far Cry game set in

1214
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:11,199
like a Stephen King esque universe is
like, it's like your favorite things.

1215
01:26:11,279 --> 01:26:15,920
Like the fact that none of them
sound good is really disheartening. I don't

1216
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,840
know what went on. They delayed
a bunch of times. I think we

1217
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:23,800
expected this. We got the game
code, I think last Friday was it

1218
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,119
broken for you? It was broken
for us. I couldn't even get into

1219
01:26:27,159 --> 01:26:30,039
it. It kept saying like the
client was broken or something. Yeah.

1220
01:26:30,079 --> 01:26:33,239
I think our reviewer played on Xbox. Ok no, they played on both

1221
01:26:33,279 --> 01:26:38,960
and they went to PC because it's
Microsoft. But um, then the embargo

1222
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:45,079
was eight oh one pm Eastern the
night basically of release. Like, that's

1223
01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:47,840
not a good signal. Sometimes there's
been a few cases recently where like that's

1224
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,520
not a good sign Then the game's
actually fine. This doesn't seem like it.

1225
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:57,279
I don't know. I worry about
arcane. Sometimes Arcane Leone has been

1226
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,119
it seemed fine. So this is
a real bad one. I mean,

1227
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,680
this is a people were saying and
I feel like you're not. You don't

1228
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:10,199
often say things this harsh. This
is like, I mean, there's just

1229
01:27:10,319 --> 01:27:13,479
nothing going on with this fucking game. There's not, And like I don't

1230
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:15,159
like I I wish I would have
liked this. I like a good co

1231
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:18,159
op shooter. I like a mindless
you know, like get some loud and

1232
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:21,520
kill some stuff. Like it's man, all the side stuff, it's just

1233
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:26,960
the exact same shit. The open
world is nothing. It's just damn broken.

1234
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:30,479
AI broken, fucking can stand right
next to guys and they won't even

1235
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,039
realize you're there. They're running run
into a wall, and you can just

1236
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:36,039
go melee im until they die.
It's uh, I can't believe this game

1237
01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:41,000
came out like this. Damn,
there's no way I don't play this game

1238
01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:43,720
again. Like, I'll probably play
it just for the sight seeing of that

1239
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,560
island. Yeah, I mean there's
there's like I like the frozen, the

1240
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,560
crash and the water, like,
there's there's a couple of cool things to

1241
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:54,920
look at. But it can only
go so far. Someone should just make

1242
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,640
that same game. But good,
yeah, THEYD let's do it. Yeah

1243
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:05,159
great, Yeah, there's always a
good consistency between people who review games and

1244
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:09,840
their ability to make games. How
hard can it be? How hard can

1245
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,439
it be to make a video game? If it's not ready, just to

1246
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,840
lay it a bunch of times,
figure out why you want to release it?

1247
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:16,840
Yeah, text film, common sense, it's common. Get a sugar

1248
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:24,119
mama to fund it. You can
build up in Fortnite now building in Fortnite

1249
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:28,199
and transfer it over. I have
so many printed I have so many thumb

1250
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:32,680
drives in the back. Can you
play anything else, either of you?

1251
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:36,199
Yeah? Yeah, I want to
do a catch up round up here from

1252
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:40,840
last time, do a catchup round
up. It's it's my segment to catch

1253
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,359
up round up since last time?
What happened last time? Onenes that you

1254
01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:47,000
guys suggested to me, A few
of them are ones that I, for

1255
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,000
some reason, out of the last
one, I thought I would play.

1256
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:55,640
So Dredge, Uh, Dredge is
very good. I like it a lot.

1257
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,359
It's it's really fun. There are
parts where I would kind of like

1258
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,319
I check the board on like where
I need to go next, like the

1259
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:06,560
pursuits, and it's just kind of
like all I have available was like catch

1260
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,520
some weird fish. Yeah, I
don't know, what do you want me

1261
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,359
to do? Like go out there, bud, good luck? I would

1262
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,560
and I would just catch a bunch
of stuff and I would get a bunch

1263
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,800
of upgrades, and I would like
go to the dry dock and upgrade my

1264
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,920
ship and stuff. But there were
definitely a lot of times where I was

1265
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,720
like, all right, what am
I doing here? Like, what's what's

1266
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,760
the goal? What am I pointing
towards here? Um, I don't know

1267
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,039
if I'll finish it. But I
played several hours of it and definitely enjoyed

1268
01:29:29,079 --> 01:29:32,439
it, and I have not played
anything it. Wow, I was thinking

1269
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,720
of you when I was filling out
the encyclopedia. I got every fish,

1270
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:41,720
I got every ending. A fucking
was obsessed with that game. I'm glad

1271
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,760
you played it. It's good.
I do like the game a lot.

1272
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,840
So good. Uh no, man, Sky, I did go. I

1273
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,960
forget how that came up last time, but I started here is it.

1274
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:56,920
It's twenty twenty but out for what
six years? And uh, yeah,

1275
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,520
it seems really cool. I was
wearing a game spot when this game came

1276
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,319
out. Say, yeah, that
was back when I worked at Giant Bomb

1277
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,520
Full Circle. Yes, no,
it's it's really cool. I'm playing a

1278
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,399
third person now, which I've never
played before. It's I don't know.

1279
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,119
I didn't play enough of it at
launch to know exactly what all they added,

1280
01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:21,680
but it's pretty clear. Like it's
not it doesn't feel like this big,

1281
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,520
open just what am I doing next
thing it or just a grind thing.

1282
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,720
It feels like there's a little more
direction. I haven't gotten to the

1283
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,000
points yet where you're getting these huge
frigates and fleets of ships and all that

1284
01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:34,640
stuff, But I've just seen enough
stuff where it's like, Okay, I

1285
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,840
definitely did not see this in the
first few hours of Last Time. Yeah,

1286
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,239
and just it looks beautiful and it's
just so fun landing on a planet

1287
01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:44,479
trying to figure out like, Okay, is this gonna be a good one

1288
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:45,960
to build a base on or no, it seems like a shitty, snowy

1289
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,479
Blizzard world. I'm not going to
build a thing here. Like, it's

1290
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:53,479
just fun hopping around a galaxy and
seeing what he'd planet is going to hold,

1291
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,399
And yeah, I kind of want
to keep going with it. I

1292
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,760
don't think it's gonna be one that
I'm going to like put one hundreds of

1293
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,800
hours into, but I think it's
one that's late at night. I don't

1294
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,520
know, I could kind of wind
down with some No Man Sky Before Better

1295
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:08,079
or something like that. So yeah, so that seems cool. And the

1296
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:13,560
other one is Advance Wars. So
I played. I got like halfway through

1297
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,279
the second well Advanced Wars two as
the like different factions, and I got

1298
01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:20,920
like halfway through the second Factions campaign, and I started thinking, like,

1299
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,920
man, I don't know if I
played the second one much on game Boy

1300
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,920
Advance and I love the game Boy
Advance and I've got an analog pocket,

1301
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:30,079
and I know there's not really a
lot of quality of life improvements in this

1302
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:34,079
remake. So I just restarted the
game on game Boy Advance and it's like,

1303
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:38,000
Okay, I actually like it a
lot better on there. It's just

1304
01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:41,560
the original game and the sprites are
better. I like the musical lodge that

1305
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,439
the analog pocket feels great. So, I mean, there's nothing wrong with

1306
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,600
the switch port. It's just that
like there's not enough that they added,

1307
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,039
and the original game looks fucking great, and I've got an analog pocket which

1308
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:54,199
is really easy to carry around and
whip out and play a couple of maps,

1309
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:57,319
and so yeah, I'm just going
through the whole game again on game

1310
01:31:57,319 --> 01:32:00,640
Boy Advance, which has been great. Advance, m that's awesome. I

1311
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,680
mean, in my pocket is like
my go to like traveling, Like I

1312
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,880
gotta get on a train early tomorrow
morning. I'm just gonna play a pocket

1313
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:13,039
the whole time flight thing. Every
time, My my like consistent thing is

1314
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:15,000
when I know I'm gonna fly.
And when I went to Memphis, I

1315
01:32:15,039 --> 01:32:19,000
knew I was going to be flying
for like six hours. I download like

1316
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:24,720
a little indie game because then you
go. I'm Mike, and I play

1317
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:29,479
it on the plane and then I
decide in that flight if I like it

1318
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,720
or not. That's nice. Yeah, that's a show right there. That's

1319
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,399
a YouTube channel. Yeah, you're
just flying around, Yeah yeah, yeah,

1320
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:41,600
a cross country flying buying indie game
and tell you if it sex or

1321
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,239
not. I I bought it was
You probably saw this team was doing its

1322
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:54,680
puzzle game deals, so you could
buy a whole variety of puzzling style games

1323
01:32:55,239 --> 01:33:00,319
at like eighty percent off. It
was nuts. And I love puzzle actually

1324
01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:04,520
indie indie esque puzzy games. And
I grabbed Piku Niku, which I've never

1325
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:10,199
played before. It has really good
reviews and it's so cute and really funny

1326
01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:13,279
and charming. It's not new,
this game is several years old, but

1327
01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:17,000
I got it on sale for like
a couple of bucks. Absolutely charming.

1328
01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:24,960
It is filled with like adorable simple
characters. They're basically shaped with legs and

1329
01:33:25,159 --> 01:33:30,520
eyes and they It's just got really
good writing it. I was kind of

1330
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,520
smiling immediately from the get go.
Or they were like, I'm a salesman,

1331
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:39,359
I'm selling you stuff, like come
on down today and you're helping townspeople

1332
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:44,760
solve things. It's very point and
click adventure where you're like the UK.

1333
01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:48,439
It's cute loco roco or like a
Wattam or something. Yeah, it does

1334
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,800
look like wottom. I think that's
a great way to describe it, and

1335
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,640
it almost plays like that as well. You have two legs, and it's

1336
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:00,560
very funny when you're swimming and you
want to swim this way, your right

1337
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:01,960
leg is like this, and when
you want to swim the other way,

1338
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:05,760
your left leg is like this,
and then your little head just bobs the

1339
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:10,479
way you want to go. Very
simple animations, but it conveys everything you

1340
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,600
need and so you're just kind of
doing what the townsfolk want. It's it's

1341
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,840
got a really cute premise, like
right as you start, the townspeople are

1342
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,920
like, you know, you're the
monster in the hill and you can't speak.

1343
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:25,720
You don't have dialogue. Really,
you have some options, but it's

1344
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,760
limited, so a lot of times
you're trying to just convince people you're not

1345
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,479
a monster. It's it's adorable.
I love a good puzzle game like that,

1346
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:39,920
So Piko Niku very sweet and easy
to play. I'm looking I'm scrolling

1347
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,039
through photos of it here and I
thought I came upon what I thought was

1348
01:34:43,039 --> 01:34:45,720
a screenshot and nope, I'm just
on dev and art and they've done their

1349
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,960
thing with Piku Niku. Get out
of there. All the other fucking pictures

1350
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,760
of Piku Niku. It's just him. He's just a blob of red and

1351
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:58,079
he's got two red stick legs.
That's one is just that, but like

1352
01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:06,079
super detailed feet better than the one
next to like the Cinnamon role Yeah yeah,

1353
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:11,680
yeah, Tarantins tarantineus Punk. That
was like a core rox seed stump.

1354
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,199
Yeah it does. Yeah, it's
a very cute game. So I

1355
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,319
encouraged people to play it, especially
if they're looking for a puzzle game on

1356
01:35:19,359 --> 01:35:23,479
sale. Again, it came out
years ago, but it has super good

1357
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,960
reviews on Steam, which is why
I snagged it up. And I thought

1358
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,039
it was great for the I would
say I played it for one flight,

1359
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:35,399
so not that long six hours.
Um. On my other flight, I

1360
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:41,520
I played the DLC of Cults of
the Lamb, and of course I played

1361
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,920
um Vampire Survivor. I didn't put
that on my list because we've talked to

1362
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,079
death about Vampire Survivor. It's just
a it's just the ultimate uh flight game.

1363
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:53,319
It's just super easy pick up podcast
game or yeah, dude, it's

1364
01:35:53,319 --> 01:35:57,920
just like I got an hour to
kill. I'm gonna try and play the

1365
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,760
Wizard again and get as far as
I can. It was great. Um.

1366
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,479
Now I'd like to Can I ask
you guys a question now? Please?

1367
01:36:05,039 --> 01:36:11,239
Nice? Sure? I guess have
you heard or seen footage from the

1368
01:36:11,359 --> 01:36:16,159
Last Case of Benedict Fox. No, I've heard of it. I'm okay,

1369
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,760
Dan, I'm going to describe to
you this game, okay as best

1370
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:30,680
I can. It is a metroidvania, okay, with two worlds. One

1371
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:36,239
of them is a horror world of
dead people that you go in to solve

1372
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:43,800
the real world because there are dead
people and you're solving their murders. Are

1373
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:45,720
the maps overlaid? Like is there
like you go into a portal, it's

1374
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,119
the light world dark world situation.
Yes, they're not overlaid. The idea

1375
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:53,239
is that when you go into a
dead person's body, it's like trupe Now

1376
01:36:53,279 --> 01:36:57,439
you're in their dead person zone.
Okay, but it's all metroid vania in

1377
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,319
the sense that, like you can't
get a certain places you like knock on

1378
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:02,239
a door and it won't open.
It's because you got to go to a

1379
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,319
different way, but to go a
different way, you need to be able

1380
01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:08,159
to probably like triple jump or fly
or whatever, because I don't have those

1381
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:13,640
skills yet. So you're seeing a
lot of spaces that you are looking at

1382
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:19,319
but you can't enter. So Metroidvania, I would say horror like it's got

1383
01:37:19,359 --> 01:37:26,239
like a creepy, spooky element.
You are both yourself and you have a

1384
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,720
I don't know oo's ghost that's like
inside of you, and he talks really

1385
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:36,479
scary, and he's like talking to
you about stuff that's happening, especially when

1386
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:41,960
you see dead bodies and ship like
that, and he's a crazy Yes,

1387
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,880
it's like your guide, but I
don't know if he's good or bad.

1388
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,279
We don't know. They haven't really
disguised them really discussed that Three. You're

1389
01:37:49,319 --> 01:37:54,640
trying to get into certain spaces and
it's key based, and then it turns

1390
01:37:54,680 --> 01:38:00,880
out that it's kind of like miss
and you need certain keys to get into

1391
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,119
certain locks, and you need to
be able to alter the keys in unique

1392
01:38:04,119 --> 01:38:13,039
ways to be able to solve these
puzzles to progress the game. Is it

1393
01:38:13,159 --> 01:38:19,720
good? I think there's things about
it I really like. I really like

1394
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:25,079
the premise. I think it's a
fascinating concept of a universe to have like

1395
01:38:25,159 --> 01:38:30,760
dual worlds, a live world and
dead people world. I love horror elements,

1396
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,640
you know that. I'm like stoked
about the horror aspect of it makes

1397
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,760
it really juicy and interesting. I
want to know who's who murdered these people.

1398
01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:40,520
Also, as you like uncover more
shit about them, you see like

1399
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:44,399
their ghosts in the real world doing
things that they were doing. You know,

1400
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,359
Okay, there's a shower scene,
you'll see nothing, but like there's

1401
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:55,800
a shower scene. You see the
silhouette and is that and you get to

1402
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,159
like learn more about them. The
upgrade system is fucking wild. It's tattoos.

1403
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:02,199
So you go up to this tattoo
lady and every time you're like,

1404
01:39:02,279 --> 01:39:06,880
I want to be able to butt
stomp so that I can get through loose

1405
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:12,399
ground, she tattoos something on your
arms, and so by the end of

1406
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:15,000
the game you like covered in tattoos. That's like you can see it like

1407
01:39:15,039 --> 01:39:18,159
in the gameplay, like as you're
running around, Yeah, you're acquiring inc

1408
01:39:18,199 --> 01:39:21,560
throughout the game, so as you're
like doing stuff and achieving things and killing

1409
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:26,359
monsters, and the monsters are scary. You acquire ink and then you use

1410
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:30,039
that to like inc up say,
I'm looking at it now, it's neat.

1411
01:39:30,079 --> 01:39:33,760
Now. My issue is as a
platformer, I found the running,

1412
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:40,119
jumping, and combat clunky, and
I find that unacceptable for a metroid Vania

1413
01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:43,119
game. If you're going to sell
me a metroid Vania, it needs to

1414
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:47,920
have really responsive jumping, dodging and
movement. And I found the whole thing

1415
01:39:48,079 --> 01:39:55,680
just a little God damn you.
I thought you said that Hollow Knight wasn't

1416
01:39:55,680 --> 01:40:00,319
good looking. That's totally different.
Everyone knows that plays like a fucking dream.

1417
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:04,159
It's one of the most responsive,
goddamn games out there. He could

1418
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:11,000
be a smash character. Yes,
yeah, Look, we're not here to

1419
01:40:11,039 --> 01:40:14,039
talk about holiday. You're always bringing
up Hollo at Night. You started it.

1420
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,640
The case of Benedict Fox is an
interesting concept where they basically took three

1421
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:24,159
totally different games mash them together.
It does work. I do think the

1422
01:40:24,199 --> 01:40:29,159
mash is interesting and I would love
to like extend the interest of this game

1423
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:33,520
to anyone who loves trying like mishmashes
of games. Again, remember Cold to

1424
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,239
the Lamb is a mishmash, right. You get to build a world,

1425
01:40:36,319 --> 01:40:43,840
but you're also doing runs. It
also had fishing for some reason. This

1426
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,359
game is very similar. It's trying
a lot of new things. The look

1427
01:40:48,359 --> 01:40:54,079
on my fucking face when they were
like, oh no, this box needs

1428
01:40:54,159 --> 01:41:00,239
keys that are equal to a number, and I have keys that are worth

1429
01:41:00,319 --> 01:41:03,279
one hundred, one and ten and
the number is like eighteen ninety nine,

1430
01:41:03,319 --> 01:41:06,840
and so I was like, I
had to make a key that's carry the

1431
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:11,479
one and I was like, do
it. I have a piece of paper

1432
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:17,960
filled with notes home now it's too
blown out, but like it's filled with

1433
01:41:18,199 --> 01:41:26,439
notes and little squares and circles and
lines of all the different things I needed

1434
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:30,800
to know to get into these different
doors and solve these puzzles. So it's

1435
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,760
a Thinkum, it's absolutely like a
platform or puzzle and there's combat with scary

1436
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:41,079
monsters that are scary as hell.
It has all the makings of a good

1437
01:41:41,159 --> 01:41:44,039
game, but because it's a bit
clunky, I can't, like one hundred

1438
01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:46,439
percent get behind it. I wasn't
stoked with the combat system, and I

1439
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:51,600
also found it extraordinarily difficult for a
puzzle game. For people who like to

1440
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:57,600
think and solve things, They're in
for a difficult time when you have three

1441
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,720
monsters that are all coming at you
and you only have like a little shiv

1442
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:05,439
knife. You do have a gun, but the bullets are made out of

1443
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,920
attacked juice. So you attack them, it fills up your bullet. You

1444
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:12,319
get one bullet, and then you
have to attack a bunch that you can

1445
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:16,039
fill up your bullet and shoot again. Somebody lacking in the thinky and the

1446
01:42:16,079 --> 01:42:19,079
Dewey a little bit. It's trying
to do both. I think it's a

1447
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:23,479
very fascinating concept, and I do
encourage people to try it, especially if

1448
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,640
they liked all the makings that I
said to you. But I don't think

1449
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:30,439
it's perfect. I think it has
has some issues with the way that you're

1450
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,920
moving around, and I also think
it has some weird issues with explaining things.

1451
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:39,680
For example, the game never at
one point said that, like,

1452
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,720
the purple stuff is poisoned, so
I was just like running around and immediately

1453
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,000
jumped into poison and killed myself.
Normally it gives you like a hint that's

1454
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:55,119
like purple stuff is bad. I
will say I think they have a little

1455
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:58,359
river of it earlier, and it
singes me. But that's not enough for

1456
01:42:58,399 --> 01:43:01,720
me. I wanted like a sign
or something that's the best purple stuff in

1457
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:13,640
a game. I gotta think.
Was Mike nodding weirdly. I don't know.

1458
01:43:14,359 --> 01:43:19,279
Oh God, damn it, I
say, it's almost like there's something

1459
01:43:19,279 --> 01:43:27,279
that you got to talk about.
What's purple in it? Didn't say shit?

1460
01:43:28,319 --> 01:43:32,239
I know you. The main boss
in Zelda is like a is a

1461
01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:38,279
kumquat an eggplant? Yeah, thank
you, That's what I wanted. I

1462
01:43:38,319 --> 01:43:44,880
was like, what's that purple vegetable
fucking called? I'm trying to think purple's

1463
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,199
usually bad, right games? Yeah, egg planting Inventure Island kills you.

1464
01:43:49,279 --> 01:43:53,880
Um, what else is notoriously purple
in a video game? WALLAUI do you?

1465
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,239
Well, he's great, but I
think some people see him as a

1466
01:43:56,279 --> 01:44:01,439
heel. I don't know why,
but um, other purple you gotta be

1467
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:09,279
famous purple characters, your famous every
colored characters? Who's purple? Grimace doesn't

1468
01:44:09,279 --> 01:44:12,199
really have a lot of time in
the sun and video games. Purple isn't

1469
01:44:12,279 --> 01:44:20,640
super popular. There's probably like some
purple Pokemon or something isn't what's purple?

1470
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:25,479
I don't know. I can't think
one of the links in Four Swords Adventures,

1471
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:29,560
Lumpy Space princesses purple. I think
they made a game about it,

1472
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,119
blue, green, red, purple
in four Swords. Yeah, playing that

1473
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:35,680
right now? Is there a purple, blue, green, red, I'm

1474
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:41,239
red yellow. There's no yellow.
M yeah. I think it's like a

1475
01:44:41,319 --> 01:44:45,000
pink I don't know whatever, not
a lot of purple. Fun fact,

1476
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:50,399
that's why Twitch's color is purple.
So when Twitch originally was justin TV and

1477
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,760
the logo was gray and like a
TV because that makes sense, it was

1478
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,920
like a TV old school TV screen. When they went to Twitch, they

1479
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:03,199
put up on a board every major
brand that was in the gaming sphere.

1480
01:45:04,319 --> 01:45:10,800
So YouTube very synonymous with red um. There were like companies that had a

1481
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,640
lot of green. Microsoft is green, Blues was very popular, nothing in

1482
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:20,239
purple. So we made the logo
super purple to be distinct and iconic in

1483
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:25,439
the space. And the immediate reaction
streamer reaction was we hate it. Really

1484
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,880
yeah, they hated it. It's
pretty synonymous now now it's fine, but

1485
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,239
at the time it was spicy.
I always think when i'm like color coating,

1486
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:36,359
like ATMI cables or something, that
PlayStation's always blue, Switch is always

1487
01:45:36,399 --> 01:45:41,359
red, yes, and Xbox is
green, and like Switch is right,

1488
01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:43,880
guy. I feel like the Nintendo
logo, it's it's always been that red

1489
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:47,880
from like the NES you know,
that logo was always red. What was

1490
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:53,159
multicolored? Sixty four was kind of
like green was the dominant one. The

1491
01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:56,960
PS two, the fucking box was
the most blue box that's ever existed.

1492
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,600
So I feel like logo itself was
ringed in that orange yellow stuff. Yeah,

1493
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,239
the boxes. I'm looking at my
PS two right now. No,

1494
01:46:03,319 --> 01:46:06,720
the PS two, all the two
blue? Yeah, yeah, they were

1495
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,560
always yeah, that was always blue. Yeah, rad is the dominant one

1496
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:15,239
in the PS logo. Um,
I think they kind of were fairly blue

1497
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:20,119
for the blue light on the wasn't
it purple? Well there's indigo, there's

1498
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:27,720
spice and orange and plat orange right
there you got oh you got a GameCube

1499
01:46:28,199 --> 01:46:33,279
indigo? Yeah, Classic Dreamcast is
orange, I mean white. But like

1500
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:41,600
you know, if I associated with
the color orange, serious acts black or

1501
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:45,640
white, I still think green.
Mine is all yellow because it's Bojangles.

1502
01:46:47,159 --> 01:46:53,359
Can the most iconic colors say that
and be completely truthful? Is looking at

1503
01:46:53,399 --> 01:47:00,199
it right now? Just looking directly
anyway. The case of Benedict foxes a

1504
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:02,920
very interesting premise, and I do
encourage people to play it. And if

1505
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:06,239
you have game Pass, good news. It's on game Pass, so it's

1506
01:47:09,239 --> 01:47:16,399
available right now to try so.
And I didn't pay for it wown past.

1507
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,840
I know I can't. I oh, I know I can't. You

1508
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:25,279
should go buy Red Fall. I
do it all the time. You catched

1509
01:47:25,319 --> 01:47:28,039
it. That's hot. I can't
believe you'd encourage me to play a game

1510
01:47:28,079 --> 01:47:32,039
that you hate. So you should. I said you could. I'm encouraging

1511
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:40,840
I think you could. You're kind
of suggesting, like if I were to

1512
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:45,640
say, you know, like you
could slap your mama. You're not.

1513
01:47:46,319 --> 01:47:51,239
I'm assuming I'm not, but I
feel like it's it's that's right. You're

1514
01:47:51,239 --> 01:47:54,479
like assuming that I'm telling you to
do it, but I'm not saying you

1515
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:58,399
should. I'm just saying you could. You're incepting. Yeah, thank you,

1516
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:03,199
I've incepted it all right. When
to emails, Yeah, let's do

1517
01:48:03,279 --> 01:48:12,600
it, bay, So you can
have that sound bite for free, sick

1518
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:15,239
okay. As usually, you can
read into fire skate Cast at gmail dot

1519
01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:21,159
com for any questions, comments,
concerns, corrections about Cleopatra Medusa. Let's

1520
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:28,439
hear those Medusa Cleopatra mix up emails
are historical expertise, which is rarely called

1521
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,800
in the question. But please rest
assured I will not read those corrections.

1522
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:36,279
Um. But yeah, as usual, you can send in questions Mary Well

1523
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:40,319
and then also worth noting, we're
going to keep it to one tonight.

1524
01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:44,199
Fairly short. We all have a
crazy week. It's fairly we went long.

1525
01:48:44,279 --> 01:48:49,279
We had a good pad. The
email section shorter than usually. Wow,

1526
01:48:50,039 --> 01:48:54,960
somebody that wanted to look through the
emails. That's not true. All

1527
01:48:55,000 --> 01:49:00,319
these fine people spent their time.
He really want to talk about the work

1528
01:49:00,399 --> 01:49:08,439
I put into this podcast? Do
you do you want to do publicly?

1529
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:18,119
That a weird exchange? That was
I was like threatened and then maybe it

1530
01:49:18,199 --> 01:49:24,720
was hot. I don't know.
Most threats are hot, and most hot

1531
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,560
stuff is a threat. Um.
I guess that's true. Mary, do

1532
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,760
you want to read? Hey,
Mary, Mike and Dan. I have

1533
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:36,640
suffered with anxiety for more years than
I care to remember. I never used

1534
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:40,760
to be able to get very far
in any horror game as a result.

1535
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,760
Then I discovered a little series of
videos on GameSpot called Resident Knevil and gave

1536
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,439
them a watch. Marian Mike inspired
me to give them another chance and fight

1537
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:51,159
through the Fear, and now I've
completed them all, all horror games.

1538
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,279
I still have trouble with Dead Space, but I'm currently two chapters into the

1539
01:49:59,319 --> 01:50:02,079
remake. Wow, I have to
play it in short bursts because my anxiety

1540
01:50:02,119 --> 01:50:05,640
really doesn't like that one too much. Oh my god. Same to my

1541
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:10,680
question. Have you ever found a
game or series of games just too creepy

1542
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,279
or flat out scary to finish?
You're probably all a lot braver than I

1543
01:50:14,319 --> 01:50:15,760
am, but I'd love to know
if there are any. Thanks so much

1544
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,760
for all your videos and podcasts over
the years. I fire Escape on constant

1545
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:23,760
loop pretty much as it makes me
laugh. Oh and congrats Mike on your

1546
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:28,000
engagement and good luck with the wedding. Best wishes. This is Lee Essex,

1547
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:32,399
England. No, that is not
his name. His name is Lee

1548
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:42,600
Essex. Comma, England's Dan Kansas
checking the hotel. It's me Mary Ohio.

1549
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,039
Oh my god, that's actually such
a good name, Marry Ohio.

1550
01:50:48,039 --> 01:50:54,079
Um, it sounds like a what
does this sound like? It sounds like

1551
01:50:54,119 --> 01:50:59,399
a government program, Mary Ohio,
Mary Ohio, I know, I will,

1552
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:06,520
I know. I mean, that's
a boring answer. I don't think

1553
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:12,600
I've ever stopped playing a series because
it was too scary my anxiety. Honestly,

1554
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:16,199
horror, I guess the more interesting
aspect of that is horror has always

1555
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:19,600
been really good for my anxiety.
Back when I had bad back, my

1556
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:24,800
anxiety was really bad. Thankfully,
nowadays it's I really don't have much of

1557
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:30,079
it, or the anxiety I do
feel is under control. Horror has always

1558
01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:34,159
been a place I go where I'm
not anxious at all because the stuff I'm

1559
01:51:34,199 --> 01:51:40,000
seeing, it's it's a good way
for me to recognize that there's anxiety in

1560
01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:44,399
the situation, but like also recognized
it's not happening to me. Everything's fine

1561
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:47,000
with me. These people are fucked
and it's great. That's the point,

1562
01:51:47,039 --> 01:51:49,720
and it's fake, you know.
So it's like you can safely like in

1563
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:54,960
the same reason like I have rippling
anxiety have my entire adult life, but

1564
01:51:55,079 --> 01:51:58,439
like that's why I like jumping out
of planes and you know, writing roller

1565
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:00,840
coasters and stuff, because like it's
like, Okay, well, no,

1566
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:02,479
you've got a parachute, you've got
this thing, You've got this harness that's

1567
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,319
keeping you in, Like it gives
you that excitement feeling, but like you

1568
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:09,960
know you're going to be safe you
know, like my anxiety has never I've

1569
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:14,159
never had like actual anxiety the way
I describe it with like a video game

1570
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:16,199
necessarily, well, I guess sometimes
like with I got like a punch out

1571
01:52:16,319 --> 01:52:18,600
or something. I've definitely had my
heart ray go up with like for the

1572
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:24,880
speed Run stuff. But like a
horror game, I don't think I've really

1573
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:33,039
had that. I cannot finish Amnesia. Oh, it's the scariest game in

1574
01:52:33,159 --> 01:52:39,439
the world. I believe, I
feel strongly about it. There is a

1575
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:45,439
combination of such incredible build up.
You're reading about this like torturous murderous guy.

1576
01:52:46,079 --> 01:52:51,159
You're going deeper and deeper into this
dungeon. It's getting weirder and worse,

1577
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:57,239
and you're recognizing though there's like something
fucked going on, and then you

1578
01:52:57,399 --> 01:53:00,680
see it, but you don't see
it because the game is designed in such

1579
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:04,920
a way that the enemy in Amnesia
distorts your camera, fucks up your vision,

1580
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:11,199
and messes with your audio. You
hear what I would equate to teeth

1581
01:53:11,239 --> 01:53:19,520
grinding when you see it, and
it's so awful audibly visually that you feel

1582
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:24,119
the need to run away. You
do not attack this boss. In fact,

1583
01:53:24,199 --> 01:53:28,199
in Amnesia, you have no ability
to attack. You can only run

1584
01:53:28,279 --> 01:53:32,199
and hide. It is fucking terrifying. And I quit. I've quit.

1585
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,960
I've quit that game like probably five
times. I just can't. I can't

1586
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,319
go through it. I can't get
through it. It's so effective. It's

1587
01:53:38,399 --> 01:53:41,239
incredibly effective. I remember when I
was playing at the first time, it

1588
01:53:41,359 --> 01:53:44,720
was like twenty eleven, twenty twelve
or whatever. I was a plan at

1589
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:46,880
night, all the lights off,
you know. And I'm normally not a

1590
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:50,479
huge like like jump scare, you
know, a horror game type guy.

1591
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,319
But I was so just like,
what does this fucking thing look like?

1592
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:57,600
I was hiding under every fucking table
holding that lantern. I remember at one

1593
01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,680
point my girlfriend at the time walks
in. She came out of bedroom and

1594
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:03,439
it was like, hey, she
was about to say something. I just

1595
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,760
like it was super like, Oh
my god, just freaked the buck out

1596
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:08,800
of the Yale, just like,
what the fuck this happened? No,

1597
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:13,399
I was so on it. No
surprises. Yeah, that game is a

1598
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:17,239
genuine terror, and I believe in
my core. I just don't think I

1599
01:54:17,359 --> 01:54:20,920
want to finish it because it's so
scary. So that is the genuine answer

1600
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:26,279
to your question. Other games that
I don't think I would have finished without

1601
01:54:26,359 --> 01:54:31,039
Mike. I do not think that
I would have been able to finish probably

1602
01:54:31,079 --> 01:54:36,720
Resident Evil remake. And I don't
think I would have finished Dead Space without

1603
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:42,159
you. That game is very scary
and without like you, you know,

1604
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,840
being this cheeky dude and being silly
like you kind of added some brevity to

1605
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,239
it. You were with me.
I had you by my side. It

1606
01:54:49,359 --> 01:54:51,439
made it a lot easier. I
don't think I would have done that without

1607
01:54:51,439 --> 01:54:57,680
you. And I also think Silent
Hill too Silent Hill original actually with Nina,

1608
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,600
I don't I don't think I would
have played that game without her.

1609
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:03,800
I needed someone with me. The
thing with dead Space like the thing I'm

1610
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:09,439
not surprised that Lee was saying with
dead Space is because that is a very

1611
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:14,119
specific type of horror that is trying
to reflect the anxious mind of a guy

1612
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:18,079
losing his mind his mind throughout a
trilogy. And the music that Jason Graves

1613
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:23,439
does is like scratching trash can lids
to be to make you think, you're

1614
01:55:24,279 --> 01:55:28,600
like, I'm not equating the kind
of anxiety I think they want you to

1615
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,079
feel in the game with actual anxiety. But again, I'm not surprised.

1616
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:36,560
That is the kind of game that
does it for me. The I found

1617
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,840
the Outlast games, especially the first
one, to be pretty scary. It

1618
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,159
was that simple mechanic of being able
to look over your shoulder while you're getting

1619
01:55:45,239 --> 01:55:48,680
chased. That really fucked. That
was a really brilliant mechanic. To add

1620
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:51,640
to that. The second few finder
stuff too, like the camera stuff like

1621
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:56,000
that was all very effective. They
did that thing in the first one,

1622
01:55:56,199 --> 01:56:00,520
which all took place in an asylum, and then the second one I didn't

1623
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:04,319
finish. I didn't like it as
much. But the first one they did

1624
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:11,000
that thing that Reson Eval seven did
where you know where the basement is and

1625
01:56:11,079 --> 01:56:13,319
you hear shit going on down there, but you're just like, I'm not

1626
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:16,319
going down there until I absolutely have
to. And then you see a note

1627
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:19,560
and Outlast next to the power box
saying I think there was a fuse in

1628
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:25,359
the basement. Yeah, it's not
the actual going down, it's the anticipation

1629
01:56:25,439 --> 01:56:29,960
of it. I will never forget. It was probably the best VR experience

1630
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:34,680
I've ever had. Was I played
through seven going down into the basement and

1631
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:39,079
seven well, yeah, and it
was so cool and so scary that,

1632
01:56:39,159 --> 01:56:43,479
like I remember that was Bianco was
watching me, and she usually likes watching

1633
01:56:43,479 --> 01:56:45,560
when you play Resonaval hasn't played a
ton of him herself, And in that

1634
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:48,439
moment, I like had her put
on the headset and I was like,

1635
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:50,840
yeah, okay, this seems like
a scary part. Let's just you know,

1636
01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:55,920
see how effective the VR is here, and her just like she stood

1637
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:58,119
at the top of the stairs for
I don't remember how long it was,

1638
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:00,159
but it seems like an eternity,
and like I saw her chest just like

1639
01:57:00,279 --> 01:57:03,560
going in and I was just like
staring down the stairs and I put my

1640
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:05,920
hand on her chest and her heart
was just beating like a drum. Just

1641
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:10,520
the idea of going down there in
VR, and it's like, holy shit,

1642
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:14,359
that is effective as hell, like
and invest use of VR I think

1643
01:57:14,359 --> 01:57:19,760
i've ever seen. Yeah, Because
then even later on, when um Jacob

1644
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:25,159
is chasing you around upstairs, that
gets super fucking scary, yeah, Or

1645
01:57:25,319 --> 01:57:30,119
when you're in the fishing shack with
Marguerite, that's more of the like,

1646
01:57:30,319 --> 01:57:33,720
oh god, I haven't gotten far
enough marg. At some point, I'm

1647
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:41,880
really I set it aside to go
back and replay village in VR. I

1648
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:47,600
think that just Benevento with the Fetus. I just don't think that I could

1649
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:53,800
do that, and like imagine like
trying to get into a locker. Yeah,

1650
01:57:55,680 --> 01:58:00,079
like crawling under the bed. Oh
that's too much, that's too much.

1651
01:58:00,399 --> 01:58:05,079
Yeah. I think with VR is
like it so it sucks that like

1652
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:09,000
we can think of like how good
these things would be, but it is

1653
01:58:09,039 --> 01:58:11,960
still such a hassle that Like,
as I'm playing No Man Sky, I

1654
01:58:12,119 --> 01:58:15,640
keep thinking that, like my PSVR
two is sitting right there, it is

1655
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:18,640
compatible. I can put this on, And I've had the thought while playing

1656
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,319
it, like it wouldn't be cool, just like be like I'm actually flying

1657
01:58:21,359 --> 01:58:24,920
around in space whatever. It's like, yeah, but I don't want to

1658
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:26,920
put that thing on. Yeah,
you know, like VR is still at

1659
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,800
that point where we're getting better,
but it's still just not worth it.

1660
01:58:31,399 --> 01:58:36,600
Yeah. Yeah, but the Outlast
games, I remember two was messing with

1661
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:39,880
me early on, but I don't
remember liking it nearly as much. But

1662
01:58:40,039 --> 01:58:45,159
yeah, I would say if there's
like a game that it was probably like

1663
01:58:45,439 --> 01:58:54,159
anxiety due to mechanics or like a
something that I was dreading doing in the

1664
01:58:54,279 --> 01:58:57,279
game itself, rather than like a
horror game that really messed me up.

1665
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:00,920
I used to feel that way about
like certain all the dungeons when I was

1666
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,560
younger, Like the Water Temple just
gave me anxiety until I grew up in

1667
01:59:04,319 --> 01:59:09,800
the Water Temple. Yeah, I'm
trying to think of like games when I

1668
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,680
was a kid where I was just
like, nope, too scary for me,

1669
01:59:13,239 --> 01:59:16,920
Like I'm not dealing with that well, and this isn't like things that

1670
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:20,279
shouldn't be scary but do terrify me. I think we talked about this before.

1671
01:59:21,159 --> 01:59:26,760
The Knights who say knee right,
really the shot where it's like the

1672
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:34,960
wide shot of them being very tall
in the forest and the Paperboy Burglar Paperboy

1673
01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:40,840
sixty four Ye yeah, man,
the Knights who say knee still did this

1674
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,600
good day? Get me? I
can't laugh in that scene. I'm the

1675
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:47,720
spiders and Half Life too scared the
shit out of me. The head crabs

1676
01:59:48,079 --> 01:59:54,560
no, like the sand leg Oh
those yeah, they're up very scary.

1677
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:57,520
But then it's interesting. That's why
that game is so good is because it

1678
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:01,039
goes from like horror to like friend. You know what's like speaking of bad

1679
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:08,279
purple stuff and okay creepy okay.
The Shadow Temple in Akarina or the bottom

1680
02:00:08,279 --> 02:00:12,399
of the Well. Genuinely, I've
replayed it recently. It's still the dead

1681
02:00:12,479 --> 02:00:16,800
hand enemy that that blob dude with
like the head with this guy yes,

1682
02:00:17,159 --> 02:00:21,199
yes, in the hands that grab
you and it's and he's like, yeah,

1683
02:00:21,439 --> 02:00:25,640
Zelda is really good and like,
it's not a horror series by any

1684
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:29,119
means, but when it wants to
be fucked up, like remember the Red

1685
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:33,399
deads and Windwaker, the ones that
turn like that's horrible. Yeah, it's

1686
02:00:33,439 --> 02:00:42,399
like a itto, what's the manga
artist? Yeah, ginge. I feel

1687
02:00:42,439 --> 02:00:45,640
like Zelda does a lot of that
kind of horror that's like it's like more

1688
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:49,520
unsettling than Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, the Shadow Temple I

1689
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:55,960
remember being pretty creepy. That's a
good one. I think there's a lot

1690
02:00:56,159 --> 02:01:02,239
of untapped scary stuff that we'll see
in the future. Um and especially thinking

1691
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:06,159
that the scariest game I've ever played, Amnesia, is fairly old, I

1692
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:12,159
think that we have a lot of
work to do to try and genuinely scare

1693
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:18,279
the bijigs out of people. VR
is one of them. Oh yeah,

1694
02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:27,520
anyway, thank you, Lee,
All right, sure, interview section I'll

1695
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:30,760
talk more about is that what I
said, I'm tired, said interview.

1696
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:34,000
I'm tired. Well, now we're
segueing into our new interview. Okay,

1697
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:40,279
interview Mary, No you interview me? Hey, what's up? Start?

1698
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:45,920
It's such a bad interview. Gone, I've just been trying to really if

1699
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:55,239
sometimes the pursuit of art is drawing. What's your favorite drawing art? Drawing?

1700
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:03,880
Calvin and Hobbes? Which, no, which of the guy who Calvin

1701
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:09,760
or Hobbes is coolbs? If you
were Calvin? What would you pee on

1702
02:02:11,319 --> 02:02:18,279
truck? Hobbs Hobbs? All right, thanks for going on, Mike.

1703
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:24,079
Wow, what about valuable interview?
You've learned so much. That's hot.

1704
02:02:26,479 --> 02:02:30,199
This podcast was hot. It's hot. Yeah. Dan, you're on a

1705
02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:32,279
train tomorrow. Are you going?
Are you talking about it? Is it

1706
02:02:32,359 --> 02:02:36,000
secret? Yeah? On the show? Didn't we probably Boston? Yeah?

1707
02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:42,039
Nice? Oh we totally talked about
that's right. Yeah. No, I

1708
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:44,640
just doing Boston with my dad.
What are you playing? Old Days?

1709
02:02:45,239 --> 02:02:47,760
What are we playing? I'm playing
Advanced Warse two on the analyt pocket and

1710
02:02:48,359 --> 02:02:54,520
h I'm taking an amtrack and yeah, it's six sixtieth birthday tweet, which

1711
02:02:54,640 --> 02:02:58,479
my happy belated birthday. By the
time, it is. He wanted to

1712
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:00,520
come up here, and so yeah, lifelong dream and going to Fenway,

1713
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:04,199
and then we'll spend a couple of
days here in Connecticut before he hits the

1714
02:03:04,199 --> 02:03:06,960
throw back to Kansas. Paul,
Paul, you don't look at day over

1715
02:03:08,079 --> 02:03:15,800
fifty nine now the cigarettes he looks, He looks sixty Fenway hardly, No

1716
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:20,520
way. Yeah, Faul's gonna come
for me one day. He's gonna is

1717
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:25,640
that pack of cigarette still the creator
clash is going to be me and you

1718
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:31,239
would win immediately. He's trying to
punch me. I don't want her to

1719
02:03:31,279 --> 02:03:35,680
punch me like I think he retrieved
the cigarettes last time he was here.

1720
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:40,800
Damn it. Yeah, I wanted
to smoke him, just to fuck with

1721
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:44,600
him, just all of them in
your mouth like homework. Wait, we

1722
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:47,640
talked about when I did that as
a joke in college probably and dinner as

1723
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:51,479
a joke. I mean I did
it, just smoked a bunch of cigarette,

1724
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:58,640
put like across my mouth and just
staring. No oh, I vomited

1725
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:02,279
profusely. But we were on the
front porch at our house senior year,

1726
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:08,800
and I was bored and drunk,
so I looked over at my friend put

1727
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:11,720
five cigarettes in my mouth, five
or six and just looked him in the

1728
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:15,920
eye and inhaled them and smoked them
in like forty seconds while looks at me,

1729
02:04:15,159 --> 02:04:19,800
keeping eye contact the whole time,
somehow not coughing until I started wrenching

1730
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:24,079
all over the front yard. Every
time. You when I ate a bowl

1731
02:04:24,079 --> 02:04:28,920
of cigarette with milk on it,
what, No, did you think it

1732
02:04:29,039 --> 02:04:30,840
was cereal? No? I was
in high school and I was we had

1733
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:33,960
to make PSA's and mine was an
anti smoking one, and I did this

1734
02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:38,600
like serious black and white thing of
like you think it's just one cigarette,

1735
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:41,960
but then it turns into this and
you just show somebody like chain smoking and

1736
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,600
stuff, and then before you know
it, it's this. And I just

1737
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:48,880
shot myself on my deck fucking with
a bowl like all cigarettes, fresh cigarettes

1738
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:56,239
and milking. And your dad's in
the background smoking. He had started smoking

1739
02:04:56,319 --> 02:04:59,640
yet, he wasn't forty yet.
He started smoking at forty a giant spoon

1740
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:08,199
like eating the cigarettes. Yeah,
it was what grades you get? Uh?

1741
02:05:08,439 --> 02:05:11,000
Oh? I got got great grades
and video until I got kicked out

1742
02:05:11,039 --> 02:05:15,880
the class. But I graduated business
school really good grades. I haven't watched

1743
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:20,439
any Nathan in a long time.
Well, since you were graduated school with

1744
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:27,319
really good just a bunch of season
c minuses, it's passing, it's all

1745
02:05:27,439 --> 02:05:34,720
matters. Yep, you're good.
D's get degrees too. That does rhyme.

1746
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:40,560
But I just don't want to hire
someone who got d's. Well there,

1747
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:42,800
I don't think. Can you get
it? I got DS, I

1748
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:45,159
got F side. Just fuck,
it's as long as you get the paper,

1749
02:05:45,239 --> 02:05:53,119
you're fine. I was summa cum
laude. Does that mean graduated with

1750
02:05:53,239 --> 02:06:00,680
honors? Probably from my Harvard of
Journalism school, know, the Harvard of

1751
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:03,479
Is that what he says? Hard? I forget what you Harvard of Communications.

1752
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,880
You texted me that the guy.
I know, but because I heard

1753
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:12,039
you say it before, because people
do say it, but I don't.

1754
02:06:12,119 --> 02:06:15,239
Oh yeah people, people, Oh
yeah, how you dec I'm not saying

1755
02:06:15,239 --> 02:06:18,720
it's the Harvard Communications that I would
do. People. Some people would say

1756
02:06:19,279 --> 02:06:23,880
that it's the Harvard of Communication.
I don't necessarily agree, but many people

1757
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:26,239
can say, yeah, I don't
like the New York Times called it,

1758
02:06:26,319 --> 02:06:29,039
but take that with a grain of
salt. I guess it's just the paper

1759
02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:36,279
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1760
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,880
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1761
02:06:42,039 --> 02:06:45,319
Yes, it is Firescape merch dot
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1762
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:50,720
that's so easy to remember. How
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1763
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:54,840
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02:06:55,039 --> 02:07:00,439
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1765
02:07:00,439 --> 02:07:06,880
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1766
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:13,199
Mike's awkward past. Get it all. Go into his college career as a

1767
02:07:13,279 --> 02:07:17,760
Harvard educated man. But yeah,
he wasn't educated. That's right, Dan,

1768
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:24,079
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1769
02:07:24,119 --> 02:07:28,000
cetera? Five stars? Just give
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1770
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:30,520
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1771
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:35,840
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1772
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:45,760
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1773
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:48,279
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1774
02:07:48,439 --> 02:07:56,800
Yes, perfect restes, EGM the
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1775
02:07:56,840 --> 02:08:01,560
They haven't made it yet, but
I know it's in prorod Mary. What

1776
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:07,399
are you going on? Nothing?
Just the usual streaming on twitch On Monday's

1777
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:11,760
this podcast and Canini is back,
So we're releasing an episode of Knini a

1778
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:16,199
week. Check it out. It's
on our fire Escape YouTube. It's super

1779
02:08:16,319 --> 02:08:20,640
fun. I've loved recording them.
Mike, we're having a really good time.

1780
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:24,520
Oh yeah, I guess that's worth
mentioning. We're not if you're a

1781
02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:26,520
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1782
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:30,640
you probably subscribe to our YouTube channel. That's where our video bonus episodes go

1783
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:33,159
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keep up with me and Mary playing through

1784
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:37,520
resume games, go subscribscribe fire Escapes
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1785
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,840
things that we do like a Game
of the Year and stuff like that.

1786
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:41,960
We actually have a YouTube channel now
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1787
02:08:43,079 --> 02:08:46,199
yeah, subscription there and you'll see
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1788
02:08:46,479 --> 02:08:50,840
Dan, what do you have going
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1789
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:56,079
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1790
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:58,760
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1791
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:03,800
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1792
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:07,520
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1793
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1794
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1795
02:09:13,439 --> 02:09:16,840
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1796
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:22,279
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1797
02:09:22,439 --> 02:09:26,039
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1798
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to yell at each other in real time.

1799
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:33,760
It ain't cheap, and you make
it possible. Thanks, folks,

1800
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:39,079
thank you. That was episode fifty
four. Good one. Yeah, Jake's

1801
02:09:39,079 --> 02:09:45,560
off gallivanting across Europe for like a
month. Mike, I can't wait for

1802
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:48,319
you to Yeah. I hope you
can find something fun to do until we

1803
02:09:48,399 --> 02:09:50,680
record the next one. Mike,
I hope you can find some fun games

1804
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:56,399
to play. I go your time
with. I've just been living man,

1805
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:01,000
huh. Yeah, I just you
know, looking at sunsets and you know,

1806
02:10:01,439 --> 02:10:05,479
beating the sand. Oh, I've
been looking at sunsets. My feet

1807
02:10:05,479 --> 02:10:09,279
have been in the sand. Fuck, these are spoilers. Oh no,

1808
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:16,760
I'm not talking about anything a game
with that, So that's not a spoiler.

1809
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:18,680
Enjoy yourself, Mike, enjoy yourself
here. The sun, isn't it

1810
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:24,319
the suns in the game. I
know what you're doing right now, Mike,

1811
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:26,920
and I know what that feels like, and it feels really good.

1812
02:10:26,039 --> 02:10:33,479
And yes, we'll see, we'll
see, we'll talk. We'll talk more

1813
02:10:35,039 --> 02:10:41,960
in a few days publicly from when
this goes up. All right, good,

1814
02:10:43,039 --> 02:10:46,680
we'll see you guys on the next
one. Thanks for watching, listening,

1815
02:10:46,720 --> 02:11:01,079
probably by probably more listening than watching. Good Yeah, maybe bye. The