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Hello, and welcome to Open minds
UFO Radio. Yes it is us.

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We still exist, and I know
it's been a long time, but I'm

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your host, Alejandro Rojas. I'm
still around and I am joined by Martin

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flying squirrel Willis. Well. Yes, I guess I probably should explain why

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you said that, although you didn't. Really, it's too bad you didn't

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exhibit, you know, properties of
a flying squirrel or else you might not

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have gotten hurt, but you might
have been I don't know what else.

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Something that falls through the air more
akin to a rock. Yeah, that's

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kind of what it felt like.
So yeah, yeah, I fell off

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a ladder. Is that what I
was on top? I was on the

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third floor of my house and I
fell down to the first floor roof,

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so that's like two floors. Yeah, And I was I was basically shoveling

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snow. You know, we still
have a lot of snow. It is

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melting. But I shoveled down to
ice and I had a bucket of ice

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melt in my hand when I slipped
on the top roof. The bucket is

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what pulled me over the edge and
down I went, and there was a

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horrible I'm really lucky to be alive. And I just started moving around,

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you know, in mid week ago. So yeah, it's been and quite

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a quite a fallen scary Yeah to
hear that you you hurt yourself so badly,

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and I mean, you're doing better, that's why I'm being silly about

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it, but awfully frightening. Yeah, but you know what, I am

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counting my blessings. I really am
so lucky. I didn't land in a

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way to break a lot of bones
or anything like that. I just or

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or die, you know. I
mean, I just really was lucky,

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very lucky. And I'm not going
to do it again. Good good,

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don't do it again. That's bad, right, thank you? And I

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want you getting hurt. I want
you staying healthy. And you don't got

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to be getting on the roof for
goodness sakes, hire somebody. I know,

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I'm in the middle of noise.
I wouldn't get on the roof.

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You didn't, what's that I wouldn't
get on any roof. Yeah, Well,

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I'm sworn to never get I've I
made a pact with myself to never

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do it again, and I just
have to stick with that. But I

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really don't want to ever do it
again. I never want to fall again,

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that's for sure. Well, I
guess we should move on. Our

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guest today. I don't know why, I'm I feel like saying it,

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kind of like with a Lego Batman
voice. Our guess is Nick Redford on

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three hundred and sixty five days of
UFOs. Well done, well done.

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Hey, I saw the Batman logo
movie and it was really good. It's

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so funny. So that is my
little I'm not this isn't a paid promotion,

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too bad, it isn't. But
so I'm just inspired by funny Lego

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Batman. Yeah, oh, Lego
Batman. I saw that advertised. Yeah,

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yeah, that book I read.
I read through Nick's book. It's

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really uh, it's really interesting how
he has it laid out. Uh,

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you know, these are accounts of
UFO sightings for every day of the year,

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on different years, of course,
but really very very fascinating how we

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did that. Mm hmmm. Yeah. So this is a really fun book.

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Exciting a day, and we'll talk
to him more about why he did

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this book, what gave him the
idea, and some of the cool stuff

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in it. So this is gonna
be a lot of fun. Nick Redford's

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always fun to talk to and he's
of course a favorite among people out there.

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So yeah, so this will be
a lot of fun talking to him

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about this book. Really really cool, right right, So fun to have

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him back, and it's fun to
be back because you know, for me,

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of course, it's it's been extremely
busy. We had the conference and

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everything h which went very well.
The only major issue we had was you

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and You're you're not being able to
be there because your flight was canceled.

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But you know, once we figured
out that was gonna happen, because you

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let us know before the conference,
we kind of did a group thing where

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I had to let the guys know. There was crying. The women,

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Oh my gosh, they were really
devastated, but they kind of just you

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know, we all took a deep
breath and we said, we can still

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do this. You know, at
least he's still alive. Little did we

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know that you you almost died,
and we moved forward and were able to

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complete a successful conference. Yeah,
you know, if I made it out

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there, somehow, I wouldn't have
fallen off the roof. See how they

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worked well and actually getting into the
news a little early. Uh, it's

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gone viral. We've got a gajillion
stories out there right now about us having

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given Tom DeLong the UFO Researcher of
the Year Award. He was not able

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to be there, but he did
send us a video response that we played

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and we posted this along with our
video showing why we gave him the award

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on YouTube and that's gone super viral. So there's just a gajillion stories out

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there. Honestly, a lot of
them are making fun of Tom DeLong.

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Luckily not us, but Tom DeLong, which is actually kind of sad because

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very few of them. There's a
really good c neet article that focuses on

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the details of why we gave him
the award because and some people question this,

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I think, but well, there's
no doubt you could see this online.

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But I think, you know,
it's really important what he did that

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I asked people who are like,
why did you give it to Tom DeLong

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just because he's a rock star?
No, because of all the work that

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we were able to see that he
did and how he has taken this topic.

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He was able to have this discussion
with these high level individuals. Nobody's

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gotten to have a discussion like he's
had with these high level guys, these

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generals, executive vice president of Lucky
Skunk Works. I mean, nobody's had

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a conversation at that level. So
it's an event. It's a historical event

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really for this field in general,
let alone quite an accomplishment by this one

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person who is now also going doing
these non fiction projects that are going to

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be coming forward. In fact,
watch our social media because we're going to

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have some giveaways. Luckily times people
they've been real happy with us, so

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they got ahold of us recently,
and we'll probably be launching either today or

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tomorrow sometime this week. We're going
to be giving some giveaways related to the

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book and everything, and we're going
to have a discount code for his nonfiction

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UFO book that's coming up here I
think just next week or at the end

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of the week at releases. So
check out our social media for a discount

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for the book and for some freebies
regarding the book. But you know,

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I ask people who question it,
who else has done something you know,

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at this level or better this year? What UFO researcher has done some great

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piece of UFO research this year?
And I do feel that you know,

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Tom and most people agree when you
put it in that perspective, which is

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exactly the perspective of the award,
that the awards deserved. So I think

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there's just a lot of people that
get frustrated. So and that's okay.

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I guess, you know, there's
always controversy, and you know, I

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don't think we've ever given out an
award that didn't prove to be controversial at

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some level. So so that's okay, we can take the heat on this.

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I just you know, we genuinely
believe it's deserved. It's not to

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buddy up with Tom DeLong, like
we told him, we want to present

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him the award whether or not he
can provide us a video or be at

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the symposium to accept it. We
just feel that it's deserved and we wanted

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to provide it to him, so
at least it's coming from a genuine place

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when we do award it. Now, the the one person I can think

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of that has done you know,
some work, some really good work last

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year and continues to do it is
Paul Dean down in Australia. Yeah,

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that's a good point. I think
Paul Dean has done a lot now.

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Arguably all he's done is shared previous
researchers information, and that's that's so it's

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not unique in that. However,
he is finding research that wasn't widely dissemin

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before, and he's putting the pieces
together and sharing those pieces he's finding,

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which I agree are highly highly significant. So and as can be demonstrated because

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we feature his work so much.
I mean, I've had him on a

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couple times this year, and we've
had him he's been an integral part to

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some of the research we've done.
It we've shown on our Open Minds magazine

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videos that we've put out there.
So I agree he would be a close

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second. But putting it together,
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And I also want to work towards
I want to work towards doing some other

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things around that. I guess I'll
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especially because who knows how successful I'll
be putting some stuff together around that.

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But yeah, we've recognized him quite
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to do so. But I would
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an alternative. Ah yep, So
am I going to get to do any

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news this week? Or is it
you're just and do you have some I

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will not. I just wanted I
had a story lined up, but you

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did, so you can you know
you're going, You're going pretty well,

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you know, if you want to
just continue, No, I just wanted

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to talk about the conference and the
controversy and stuff like that. However,

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yes, Martin, we are definitely
moving into the news because that's why you're

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here. Well you're here for more
than that, but because also it's so

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fun to talk to you about UFO
news. So let's transition over to Martin

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Willis presents UFO News. Thank you
very much. So this is uh,

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this is a low flying UFO spotted
over Gettysburg. Now this is a you

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know Gettysburg, the famous Gettysburg where
there was a major Civil War battle fought.

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Interesting historic town, Gettysburg address,
blah blah blah. Well this happened

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back and recently it was. It
was February twenty six, just you know,

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a few days ago basically where this
witness was out on his porch smoking

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a cigarette and he noticed a light
coming like across the sky. He guessed

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the speed range of about eight hundred
miles an hour and up now he thought

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the object was only about a thousand
feet up and you know, I almost

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have to argue the point where if
an object was only a thousand feet up,

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you would hardly be able to see
it go by at eight hundred miles

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an hour, just in my opinion. So again he was guessing it was

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about that far up, and he
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no, I'm sorry, about eight
hundred to one thousand feet long. Now,

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these are quite these are quite some
incredible claims. Here he saw a

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bright line of lights and I believe
he said it had kind of like a

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shape it dipped up towards the back
or something like that. I know I

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read that somewhere in the article.
And he watched it basically travel across the

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sky. There is no pictures.
He wasn't able to take a picture of

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this. He did hear a very
low humming sound, which is also kind

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of curious as well. At first
he thought it might have been a jet,

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but after a while they figured out, you know, there's just no

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way that it could have been that. And he said there was at least

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ten or twelve lights and they were
all bright bright, as he exclaimed,

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white, no red, blue,
and none were blinking. And so that

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was that was basically I think it
was close, like a unknown object or

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something like that. I don't really
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Yeah, I think maybe they're still
investigating. Yeah, I don't think Roger

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really said. But I wonder if
there's a bit of a mistype from the

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witness too, because they said the
object was between eight to one thousand feet

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long and it was also eight to
one thousand feet up. I wonder if

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they meant it was eight to one
thousand feet up not long, because yeah,

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that those numbers are pretty odd.
And then ice hundred miles per hour,

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so and like you said, if
it's if it's really low, it's

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gonna look like it's moving much faster
if it's moving past you than if it

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is a larger object further away.
So yeah, some of the numbers don't

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add up, but it's still interesting. I guess this guy was an army

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veteran or is an army veteran.
So yeah, very interesting, isn't it?

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It is? Do you have any
other ones you want to talk to

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you about? Two? Well,
I can if you'd like me to continue

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to go for it, do it, because it's been a while, it's

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been over a month for goodness sake. Last time we were talking, it

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was nearly it was just after the
holidays. I guess I think you are

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right. Oh my goodness, you're
right. Well, this is a I

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guess you'd call it a USO,
not a UFO. This happened in Wisconsin.

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It happened last year on November twenty
eighth, and it was an incident

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involving a triangular shaped object object around
Green Bay in Wisconsin. Swamico is the

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name of the little Suamico is the
name of the town. And the witness

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says that he could hear a muffled
jets sound and which is kind of interesting,

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and it was a very dark color
and it had blue flashing lights,

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and I guess it came up out
of the water and was at about five

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hundred feet. He thought it was
about one thousand feet away, and that

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the side of the triangle appeared to
be about one and one hundred and fifty

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feet along. And now his thoughts
were that he believed that it was operated

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by the Air Force. I don't
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idea. So this one was I
think it it was closed as a UIVY

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unknown UAV category. Interesting, So
what they even the investigator felt, I

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guess it was a man made object. And I think they've experimented with things

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like that that can go in and
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interesting. Yeah, yeah, have
there You really have heard that that they've

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experimented with things that Yeah. Actually, And the reason I saw most of

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this is that they review that in
a section of the investigation that the SEU

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that the group did in investigating the
Puerto Rico video, they have a section

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where they talked about the different man
made objects that could be And I've seen

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a story too, I remember,
or maybe even a video of this Navy

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experiment. I think they even have
them that could launch from a submarine and

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stuff. But wow, I'm not
so sure that they've actually built anything,

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at least that we know about.
Of course, if they have built something

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and it was a top secret,
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would be testing it out there.
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you think in the Great Lakes?
I wouldn't think so, not the Great

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Lakes. Yeah, So I don't
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way or anything like that. Yeah, I don't think they do that sort

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of thing there, so hard to
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have one titled North Carolina Witness Unsure
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Forest, North Carolina. It was
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almost a year ago. It was
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the light out and this person is
near a lake and a river and they

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see large birds a lot. But
he saw this object that he started to

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thinking, Hey, that doesn't really
look like a bird, but it doesn't

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look like a plane either. They
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hundred feet above the horizon and they
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of this object. And it doesn't
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look like a bird. It's elongated, So I guess maybe a party balloon

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type of I guess it could be. But this one's just kind of weird

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because it's not readily identifiable. Now, it doesn't move like it might be

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something alien, but I don't know
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least one commentary who said, I
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a drone. So, yeah,
what do you I remember we talked about

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this before and you looked at me. Do you remember it? I do?

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Yeah, what do you think?
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it's an it's an oddball. I
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but it's so, you know,
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I guess you could. You know, you could, you could make anything

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you want from my lar if you
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I don't. It doesn't look it's
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I don't know if it really could
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one, that's for sure. Yeah, pretty weird. And then I have

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one more news story. Did you
have anymore? Do you mind? I'm

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okay. So here's the other one
I want to talk about before we get

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to Nick Redfern, And I'm writing
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to try to write it for Friday, got busy so I had to leave.

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So I'll have this up later today
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is George Bush, who's been in
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But he was on Jimmy Kimmel Live
the other day, and like Jimmy Kimmel

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does, which we love so much, he asked George Bush about UFOs.

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So George Bush, now through the
wiki leaks, the same ones that you

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know, revealed information that we were
able to why we gave the award to

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Tom DeLong, and the same one
I we were referencing Open Minds in a

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related story. So we saw that
there was some conversation about Hillary Clinton coming

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on Jimmy Kimmel, and they were
working on the script and what they were

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going to talk about in regards to
UFOs and sharing information about what Bill Clinton

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said and him and John Podesta,
and they're interested in UFOs. That's why

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they linked to one of my stories. I'm so honored, That's why I

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keep repeating it. But anyway,
so most likely there was some background here

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where George Bush was aware he was
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in fact, Jimmy Kimmel started off
like he usually does, you know,

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asking if he went through the UFO
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Bush said maybe, and then he
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that it's kind of funny because his
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So Jimmy says, well, do
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he says no, and he's like, well, he essentially asked, well

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did you look at files? And
he's like maybe. He's like, well,

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could you would you tell me what
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It was really funny. He just
kept saying no, no, and and

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he said, well, now that
you're out of office, you can do

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anything you want, right. Bush
said true, but I'm not telling you.

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I'm not telling you nothing interesting statements. Hih. He just kept saying

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no, I'm not gonna tell you. Yeah, He's like and even with

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the question, well, if you
did look at them, would you tell

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me or your daughters, He's like
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he looked, he said maybe.
So that's really weird. I mean,

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he could be joking, but of
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know he's joking. Even Obama does
straight face. But Obama is arguably,

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I think one of the funnier presidents
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a comedian where he can he will
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With George Bush, he's a little
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tell for sure what if he's being
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and there, so this one is
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joking, whereas norma I think they
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tweeted me about this and said,
hey, when's Ben going to look at

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this? And or is Ben going
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has analyzed these videos in the past. In fact, that's what he talked

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about at our UFO Congress. And
I said, well, I think you

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just kind of asked him because you
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and then Ben responded and said,
well, looks like I've got some

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more work to do. So at
some point Ben Hansen will will analyze this

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to see what he thinks, because
he does, you know, he's got

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that law enforcement background and he does
this kind of analysis of what we can

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tell there by what they say,
so that'll be interesting. But it was

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a very interesting appearance. Were you
aware of this, No, not at

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all. I'm going, Wow,
Great, the video up on anywhere it

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is, so I'll have my story
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send you the link and I'll embed
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on that Jimmy Kimmel YouTube site.
Now, no, that's great. And

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you know, I almost wonder if
Ben does not really have to do that

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much work on this one, because
there is doesn't sound like there's any real

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denying going on. Yeah, true, so he probably you know. Yeah.

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Plus it's short luckily for Ben,
because it takes him a long time

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to do this work because he looks
at every single movement, the number of

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breaths are taken, all of this
sort of thing. So but definitely fun.

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This is really cool. It's a
great development. So yeah, cool

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Ben. Ben said he had something
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Oh yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, all

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right, that's it for the news. You got anything else, buddy,

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I am done. Well, I'm
so happy that you survived your fall.

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Please don't try the flying squirrel impression
and he longer and you keep you keep

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yourself safe, buddy. And also
to the people that I missed out in

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at the conference, I'm really sorry
I couldn't get out there. I'm going

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to drive next year for sure.
You can still fly, just you know,

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well, I like having my car
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an extended time out that way.
Oh okay, cool, yeah, so

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can some sun a little bit?
Get out of the snow that I mean

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you guys, I cause I read
about places that it's cool. It's already

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summer here. Summer is already here. I mean this weekend with seventy five,

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which is great for us, too
cool for some Arizonas because they're so

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thin blood but sunny skies. You
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but not anymore. It's now sunny
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yeah, it's I'm feeling for you. Yeah, it's good stuff, all

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right, So we'll talk to you
soon then, all right, thank you,

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Uh huh. Let's go ahead and
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happy to welcome back to the show. Nicholas Redfern. Hello, Hey,

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al Andre, how's it going fun? Good? Your email, says Nicholas,

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So I decided to use that.
That's actually I forget why says that,

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but I think Nick wasn't available when
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had that. That's actually my second
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but I've had it so long,
but I didn't bother close me down.

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But I do remember it was something
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K was taken. So I see, well, Nicholas is a nice theme.

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Yeah, I don't mind which it
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you know, Right, So,
although you're generally well liked in the field,

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I don't know that I've heard one
person say a bad thing about you.

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Oh, you've been looking in the
wrong places. I get a lot

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of I get a lot of online
Oh yeah, debates, shall we say?

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Right, well, everybody's always talking
crap about each other. But well,

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the thing is, you know,
I mean, I don't mind a

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good online fight, you know,
because I think, you know, it's

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one of these situations where debate,
you know, is a good thing,

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right, you know, some people
shy away from it because they don't want

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confrontation. But the way I look
at it is that if we're going to

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get answers, then we really need
not just to share stuff, but you

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know, sort of point out problems
with this person's theorial, that one,

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and and really, you know,
because we're all looking at the end of

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the day, we're all part of
a community looking for answers. So I

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don't think it's a problem, really
to you know, have a you know,

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a full on debate where you know, sometimes tempers get raised or whatever,

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that that doesn't matter if it helps
us get a clear picture of what's

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going on. So true, true, But there are some people who just

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like to personal attacks, and I
think they do it for fun, just

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to push people's buttons. Oh yeah, Well there are some people like that

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in euthology, and I deal with
them sometimes as well. The problem is

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it's not so much for me.
It's a problem dealing with it. It's

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a problem when I find that,
you know, I'm debating with these people

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and then I just realize, you
know, I've just last two hours on

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the work, right, Yeah,
I know. That's the other hard part

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about that. So the thing that
not debating, it's just like it's like,

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you know, sorry, I got
to go, you know, I've

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got to earn a living. I've
got to write exactly. That's why I

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try to stay after show social media
as much as possible, just post stuff

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and leave. But I'm not very
good at it because I end up it

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ends up beating up my time.
Like you said, and I love debate.

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I agree with you. It's just
some people with the personal attacks that's

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where it gets hurt. And you
know, let me ask you this question,

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because you're someone you know, when
you put yourself out there in this

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field or probably anywhere where you have
kind of a you're a public person where

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you know, like you being an
author that a lot of people generates a

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lot of conversation. There can be
a lot of negativity, especially in this

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field. How do you handle that? Some people really overtime it kind of

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make them a bit depressed, or
some people, as you've probably seen,

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have left the field. How do
you how do you handle it well in

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terms of people are critical, you
know, I just fire back and tell

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people as it is. You know, It's like if you don't want to

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hear something negative, you know,
then don't say it's something negative about me.

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You know. If somebody legitimately has
an issue with something that I write

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or something I say, you know, I'm fine about debating it, you

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know, and I'll you know,
I'll stand my own ground and and and

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forthrightly explain why I think this is
the answer to this, or et cetera,

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et cetera. But when it's just
people who complain about all this and

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that, well, you know,
like I said, that doesn't get you

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anywhere. And so sometimes you know, if I feel like just having a

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good online argument, I'll you know, I engage in. But other times,

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you know, if that's all they're
doing, then really you know that

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there's just no point getting involved because
it doesn't get you anywhere. But what

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I would say is that you're right
some people have sort of walked away from

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euthology and disillusioned or you know,
fed up with the scene. But I

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think, you know, I think
a lot of this says he actually says

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less about euthologists that he actually says
more about human nature. You know,

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at the end of the day,
euthologists are as human as everybody else.

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And I think if you were to
look in any kind of community, you

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will get this kind of issue going
on, you know, where you have

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people debating and somebody's like, well, I want to be known as the

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group secretary. No, you can
be the vice president, or you know,

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it's kind of they want their titles
and they want this and they want

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that, and it becomes very much
like an ego kind of thing. So

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I always tell people, you want
to get into euthology, you know,

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it's do so because it's a fascinating
subject, but you know, make sure

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you've got some thick skin as well, because you know, sometimes the people

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have to deal with And that's the
way I look at it is that you

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know, I'm a pretty laid back
guy, but not when it comes to

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you know, sort of debate.
I mean, I tell it as I

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see it, and if people like
it, that's fine, and if it

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upsets people how it goes, you
know, I'm not going to lose sleep

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over it. Mh. We've had
scientists at our conference and at least a

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couple where I've said, you know, and they've gotten in debates with people

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and I've said, you know,
I hope that went I ca for you,

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and they're like, oh yeah,
I love it. They're like,

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this is mild compared to our science
conventions where we're really going at it on

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our different theories. So it's to
your point, Yeah, that's exactly what

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I meant. You know, you
can find this anyway, and particularly you

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know, the big issue of course
that causes this is because we're dealing with

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like definitive unknowns. You know,
it's kind of you know, I also

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00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.720
write a lot about cryptozoology, the
study of unknown animals, and you can

409
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.680
make the same sort of parallels to
things like Bigfoot. We don't know what

410
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.119
bigfoot is. We don't know what
the LOCKMSS monster is, so you know,

411
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.400
you have a dozen or more theories. In the same way, somebody

412
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.480
would argue, you know, we
don't really know what happens with alien abductions,

413
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.640
or we don't know what's going on
area fifty one. So inevitably this

414
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.880
creates friction when somebody says, well, my sources said this is what's happening,

415
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.960
and somebody else says, no,
that's wrong. You know, but

416
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.039
that's what you just have to be
prepared for, and people are prepared for

417
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.359
it. That's probably better off,
you know, watching the news, right

418
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.519
doing something else, because you're right, I mean, you know, especially

419
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.440
in this field, you can't do
anything that is not controversial to some degree

420
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.319
because the whole field is controversial.
That's right, yep. So speaking of

421
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:25.279
controversial, I wanted to talk about
Roswell because I think this is interesting and

422
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.559
kind of fun and I've done this
before what you're doing. But at Roswell

423
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.799
it's the seventy eighth anniversary, so
hopefully a lot of people are coming.

424
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.319
I know, lots of people from
Phoenix are coming, and I'll be speaking

425
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.000
for the Daily Roswell Record again.
Of course, there's a museum event where

426
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.319
there's lots of great speakers. There's
Don Schmidt and Stanton Friedman, and I

427
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.799
think of Vonn Smith and Travis Walton, a bunch of others over there,

428
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.440
great people. But you're speaking.
I think you're the only Eufologists I saw

429
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.480
on the list. But you're speaking
for a guy I'm alone, who's a

430
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.079
great guy. I've met him.
I've spoken for one of his events.

431
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:07.640
But what's unique about his event is
that they are it's kind of a religious

432
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.800
one where they have the feeling that
aliens are demons. Yeah, that's right,

433
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.320
And I mean, you know,
I don't mind speaking for a group

434
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.199
that has views different to mine,
because again, you know, I think

435
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.480
if you kind of sort of I
mean ironical if we're talking about religion,

436
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.079
now, if you've just preached to
the converted so and speak, you know,

437
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.960
that doesn't get us anywhere. And
so you know, when guy said

438
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.159
to me, would you be interested
in speaking for my conference? You know

439
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:44.400
I didn't have any hesitation because I
don't feel uncomfortable speaking for groups of people

440
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:49.079
who have radically different views to mine. I'm totally fine with that. And

441
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.960
I think, again, you know, the it's a conference again to try

442
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:58.920
and figure out what happened at Roswell
and you know, unravel all the new

443
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:04.840
leads and pretend sources that may still
be coming through which might finally provide us

444
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.440
with an answer, you know.
And if at that conference, we you

445
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.880
know, we get into a debate
about the merits of whether you know,

446
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.079
Roswell was a secret experiment, whether
it was extraterrestrials, whether it was you

447
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.639
know, something moral on the demonic
angle. You know, I'm happy to

448
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:27.840
debate those areas. And I think
the audience like that kind of situation when

449
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.400
you're sort of you know, getting
to it, you know, back and

450
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:36.559
forth with each other. So again, you know, I think, wherever

451
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.199
you come from on Roswell or any
case, you know, tell it as

452
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.679
you see it, and don't you
know, don't worry about that because you

453
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.800
know, if somebody else has got
a deep, deeply held belief system,

454
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.480
they're not apologizing for it, you
know, so so why should you.

455
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.000
So Yeah, I'm looking forward to
the conference and you know, be interesting

456
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.440
to see how it all goes down. Yeah, you know, I commend

457
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.400
you for that. I think that's
great. I agree, And like you

458
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.400
said, you know, there's a
lot of this this whole everybody. You

459
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.840
know, some people do want to
preach to the choir others and it's funny

460
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.079
that this is religious spas and we
use these terms, but you know,

461
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.039
others like me, I would rather
talk to people who don't know anything about

462
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.760
this field, who are curious,
to give them a lot of information they

463
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.679
don't have. So I think that's
a great attitude that you have. And

464
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.320
you know, guy Malone, I
really like him. There. One of

465
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:37.199
the events he put together that I
spoke at, some other UFO researchers spoke

466
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.920
at, and we all were not
totally clear on the nature of things,

467
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.639
and it wasn't until the end that
you know, this kind of the religious

468
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:52.719
aspect came out and a lot of
the speakers were really upset. But I

469
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.920
kind of felt like, what the
heck, you know, it's it's just

470
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.400
another topic. And to your point, you know, they're not going to

471
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.000
get upset about or all and a
half about what their beliefs are and how

472
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:05.679
those are different than yours, So
why should we. Yeah, and one

473
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.440
of the things, this kind of
issue comes up. I always tell people

474
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:15.119
to remember that the term UFO that
you, regardless of people think that you

475
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:21.519
still stands unidentified. You know,
we really don't know what the phenomenon is,

476
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:27.000
you know. I mean, although
the overriding popular theory is the extraterrestrial

477
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.280
one. I mean, if you
look at the advances of being made today

478
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.440
in things like quantum physics in relation
to like multi dimensions and things like that,

479
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.079
you know, we could actually be
looking at something that actually isn't coming

480
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:44.159
from some far away star system,
but the kind of zips in and out

481
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:49.639
of our reality. You know,
then you have granted some of the more

482
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:55.039
controversial theories, like the demonic one
at the time traveling one. So in

483
00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:01.480
other words, where we did dealing
with definitive unknown. I think it's important

484
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:07.440
to get the information out, but
also to demonstrate to people, you know,

485
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:13.559
this is my conclusions or your conclusion
or whoever's conclusions based on the data.

486
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:19.519
You know, and sometimes data changes, and you know, people's views

487
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.760
change. That's one of the things
I always find a little bit odd about

488
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:28.920
certain factions in eupology, where it's
almost like you're not expected to change your

489
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.039
views. You know, he's the
abduction researcher who thinks of this. She's

490
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.039
the you know, the conspiracy theoriest
who thinks this is held at Area fifty

491
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.960
one. He's the person who think
it's aliens mutilating cattle. Somebody else is

492
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.400
the one who thinks it's a government
mutilating cattle. And it's like people almost

493
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:52.920
expected to carry that torch forever.
But I mean, it's it's like,

494
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.920
you know, you don't watch the
same TV shows that say thirty as you

495
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:01.679
do when you were ten, you
know, you or clothing tastes change,

496
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:08.760
you know, your music changes.
And I think sometimes in upology you're expected

497
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:15.000
to rigidly uphold something even in the
face of new data, you know,

498
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.639
and people valiantly, valiantly hang on
to some hoax documents. No, no,

499
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.400
it's real, you know, And
it doesn't matter, you know,

500
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:28.119
if it's you know, if somebody
investigates something and then further down the line

501
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.920
it's shown to be something else.
If you'd legitimately point out why you thought

502
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.519
it was ABC and it turned out
to be d ef there's again, there's

503
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.159
nothing wrong with that, you know. It's that's what investigations are ford to

504
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.880
get to the bottom of things,
and sometimes it can take a long time.

505
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:50.719
And also until you reach that final
correct answer, you can often find

506
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.480
yourself in going all sorts of weird
directions. Mm hm. You know,

507
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:01.400
and and I And the thing that
we do is write a lot. So

508
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.440
the good thing about writing is that
it causes you. It forces you to

509
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:15.199
investigate what you're writing about. And
of course you are a prolific writer in

510
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:21.239
books and you know online articles,
so you're just I'm amazed at how much

511
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.920
you're able to get out there.
But it's kind of cool that it does.

512
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:31.079
And I do appreciate that it forces
us to delve into these things and

513
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:37.159
to really investigate every thing that we're
writing about. And I often find that

514
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:44.440
when I follow things to the core, it's a deff situation instead of the

515
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:49.360
ABC I might have been expecting.
It's just funny how often that happens.

516
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.079
Is that happened a lot to you
too, that your expectations are kind of

517
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.239
like blown out the window. Well, when I get you know, whether

518
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.880
it's from a witness or it's a
document or it's a room or whatever.

519
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:06.360
You know, I always just try
and just follow the story and not try

520
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.880
and you know, make leaps and
jumps and put threads together that aren't there.

521
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.480
I just follow where it goes,
and if you take me somewhere,

522
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.920
that's great. If it hits a
brick wall, when you try and find

523
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.000
a way around that brick wall.
But you know, from my perspective,

524
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.639
you know, when you talk about
sort of writing and things like that,

525
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.440
I try and sort of be pretty
structured. I like to sort of work

526
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.480
nine to five Monday to Friday with
the writing and whether it's the books or

527
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.280
articles or whatever, and then I
take evenings off. I don't work at

528
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.840
evenings. Five o'clock on a Friday
afternoon, the laptop goes into sleep mode

529
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.119
and it doesn't come out of sloop
mode till eight o'clock Monday morning. I

530
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.639
just totally switch off to have a
normal, you know, normal fund so

531
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.320
live, et cetera, et cetera. And for me, that works well

532
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.039
because I don't get sort of burned
out by the subject, you know,

533
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:06.800
And I think I think that's an
important thing. Is that as fascinating as

534
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.360
an interesting and intriguing as the UFO
subject is, I have seen on many

535
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.320
occas and this isn't meant as a
criticism. But on many occage I've seen

536
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:19.480
people kind of get sucked into it
so deeply that it goes from being an

537
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:27.119
interest to a passion finally to like
a full blown unhealthy obsession where everything in

538
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.039
their life is dominated by the subject. Now, if people like that,

539
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.559
they want to be on UFO's full
on twenty four to seven. I don't

540
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.599
have an issue with that. It's
just from my perspective, I couldn't do

541
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.079
that. I'd get burned out.
And I know of friends who've gone down

542
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.480
that road and eventually they've just back
to way because it was just impacting too

543
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.880
much. You know, everything going
on in their life was sort of seen

544
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:57.519
as being connected somehow, you know. And so I think, you know,

545
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.719
there's a lot of things within euthology
to think about that are I like

546
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:08.599
that, you know? And I
think, but again it's it just demonstrates

547
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:15.679
part of you know, human character
rather he does anything particularly about upologists,

548
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.400
you know, Like I said,
it's it's I'm sure people who collect stamps

549
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.960
or something like that, you know, they argue over how did this person

550
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.599
want get that one? And it's
the last one in the collection I need,

551
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.599
you know, it's the same sort
of thing really right exactly. So

552
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:37.360
obsessions can be detrimental no matter what
they are, So you have to be

553
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.960
careful and have perspective in factors that
guy here who baseball cards is his thing,

554
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.800
and then he's gotten in trouble for
doing too much baseball card stuff at

555
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.039
work, so practically anything. Yeah, that's like a classic example. But

556
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.840
again I think, you know,
doing research, what I try and do.

557
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.440
I try and sort of take like
an investigative research approach. You know,

558
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.079
when I first left school, I
worked on a music and fashion and

559
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:13.440
entertainment magazine back in England called Zero, and you know that sort of really

560
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.800
got me into journalism. They sort
of taught me the how to sort of

561
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.719
structure a story and construct it so
you know, pulling the reader and things

562
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:27.280
like that, but also interviewing and
investigating techniques. And I've always tried to

563
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.519
apply that to sort of going with
an open mind, not from the perspective

564
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.840
of I'm going to prove this is
extraterresterral, I'm going to prove this is

565
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.079
a classified aircraft or whatever. I
just go where it takes me. And

566
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:47.400
I don't feel I'm someone who really
flies the flag of any particular theory more

567
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.400
than any other. I just go
where the evidence goes, you know,

568
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.719
and that might mean that, you
know, one day we find that,

569
00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.119
yes, extraterrestrials are really flying around, but they have nothing to do with

570
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.559
cattle mutilations, you know what I
mean. I don't feel I need to

571
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.000
kind of place it all under one
banner, which is you know, hell

572
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:13.519
high water, which is great.
And you know what I really like about

573
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.920
that that you're this way, you
know, a great bishop and I had

574
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:23.280
a conversation that was very similar recently
on the show, but that you're like

575
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:29.119
this, but you're still in demand
as far as speaking goes, because a

576
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.760
lot of times those people who do
have kind of a hard set worldview,

577
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.800
who preach to it and their goal
is to kind of convince people of it,

578
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:43.719
they're often the more popular, uh, you know, when it comes

579
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:51.239
to speaking engagements. But people love
hearing your talks where even though you aren't

580
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.599
like that, I feel like that, and I feel like sometimes get people

581
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:59.159
get bummed. And I don't know
if you've experienced this when they come to

582
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:00.320
me and they ask me, so, what is this? What is that?

583
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.800
And I'm like, I don't know, I can show you the information

584
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.599
or what's out there, but I
don't know necessarily what these might be.

585
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.119
And they look at you like they're
they're really bumped because they want that,

586
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:17.079
you know the answer. Does that
happen to you? Well? Sometimes?

587
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.199
But I mean when you talk about, you know, trying to convince the

588
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.039
audience of this or that, I
don't think trying to convince the audience of

589
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.760
what my conclusions are is actually a
responsible thing to do, because if like

590
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:37.960
you're pushing the information down their throat
and almost demanding they take your points of

591
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:44.320
view. What I try and do
is demonstrate to the audience, you know,

592
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:45.960
for a conference or like a you
know, just a group lecture,

593
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:53.239
is to demonstrate and show the audience
what I've found, then explain to them

594
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:59.199
the sort of the tentative conclusions i've
or fall on conclusion that I've reached based

595
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:04.199
upon my studies. And you know, it's like, for example, as

596
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.920
you know, last year, I
spoke at the conference on the Men in

597
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:13.320
Black mystery, and I spoke about
the different theories and the cases I'd investigated.

598
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:15.840
But what I would never do is
say I know for sure that the

599
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:22.320
men in Black are this, or
that I can say I think there's certain

600
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.719
evidence which pushes it down this particular
pathway, and I think that's a responsible

601
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.719
way to do it. And I
think sometimes, you know, people don't

602
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.480
actually like it when they're lectured at. You know, I don't think I

603
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:43.639
lecture to people I share information I
don't want to. I don't lecture at

604
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.280
people, you know, demand that
they accept this or that I share what

605
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:52.519
I've uncovered. And I think,
you know, maybe that's why people enjoy

606
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.800
having me speak of their events,
because you know, I try and present,

607
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.320
however, many sides of the argument
that are you know, I'm fine

608
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:07.199
about discussing them, but I'm not
in the business of speaking at conferences just

609
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.840
to say what the audience wants to
hear, you know, or what I

610
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.760
think is going to sell more books. Now, I'm just going to say

611
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.800
it as it is, and if
people like it, that's fine. If

612
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:22.719
they come away thinking, you know, whatever I mean, and that's fine

613
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.599
too. I think, you know, that's that's what we should. We

614
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.639
need to take a responsible approach to
how we lecture, because you know,

615
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.360
you go to some conferences and the
egos are so high through the roof that

616
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.159
the people who are you know,
with those big egos giving their lectures will

617
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.480
tell you that they know this for
sure or this happened, you know,

618
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:50.360
when they don't. It's just their
held opinion. Really, m amen,

619
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:59.639
brother, another reference exactly. I
guess before I leave that, before we

620
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:04.400
get in your book, which I'm
excited to talk about, I just guess

621
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.800
I should ask if someone were to
say, you know, let's say at

622
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:17.400
the conference or Rino and Roswell,
you know, do you believe that the

623
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:23.679
aliens are demons? What would be
your response? No, I don't believe

624
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:29.880
aliens are actually demons, but where
I do but agree with the people who

625
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.920
hold that view. He's on a
couple of points. One, you know

626
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:38.280
a lot of my views on the
origins of the UFO phenomenon, you know,

627
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.559
so it probably started to change where
I was like my late twenties,

628
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:47.079
early thirties something like that, and
you know, I sort of came more

629
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.960
around to like a John Keel's approach
that we're dealing with something that kind of

630
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.599
coexists and with us and flips in
and out of our reality. Now,

631
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.760
you know, people believe in the
demonic angle would say that's what these entities

632
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.159
do as well. You know they
have from their perspective, they would view

633
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.880
it as Hell, I guess,
but they would take the view that,

634
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.400
you know, Hell is kind of
like another place that kind of coexists with

635
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.840
us, you know what I mean, that's probably approach they would take.

636
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.920
And I actually share that approach that
we are probably dealing with something that is

637
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:25.320
like multi dimensional. And I also
agree with them in the sense that I

638
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:31.840
think there are certain aspects of the
UFO phenomenal which are clearly deceptive and manipulative,

639
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.719
you know, where certain cases seem
to be like almost staged for benefits,

640
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.159
you know what I mean, It's
almost like a bizarre kind of fear

641
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:47.440
to play it out, like these
cases over and over again of people driving

642
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.119
down the road and they see aliens
taking soil samples. You know, there's

643
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.079
so many cases like that that you
know, it's like how many times do

644
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.920
they need to take soil samples?
Of why they always be seen doing it?

645
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.840
You know, It's almost like it's
been played out for our benefits,

646
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.320
and and so I don't I would
agree with the people who believe that demonic

647
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:13.679
angle that it is kind of deceptive
and it could be manipulative in a sinister

648
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:20.199
way. But where I differ is
that just because I think they it could

649
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:28.239
be manipulative and deceptive, and that
it coexists with us in some bizarre realm

650
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:35.079
of existence. That doesn't mean I
believe in you know, horned figures with

651
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.679
por with pitchforks, you know,
and fiery pits and all that kind of

652
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:44.320
stuff. You know, people believe
that. That's fine. I don't have

653
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.039
an issue with people who who believe
that. My only issues with with you

654
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:57.159
know, different is not what people
believe. It's it's it's the impact it

655
00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:00.039
has on other people if they don't
want to get involved with it. You

656
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.400
know, I have no problem with
somebody who has any religious persuasion, but

657
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.000
I don't want to knocking on the
door at six o'clock at nineteen. If

658
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.199
I wanted to find out about it, I would do it, you know.

659
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.960
I wouldn't need somebody to, you
know, to come knocking on the

660
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:20.079
door when I'm eating dinner or whatever. So, yeah, I guess some

661
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.320
of my views are similar to theirs
in terms of the kind of like the

662
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:30.480
modus operandi of the phenomenon, but
not you know, I don't think,

663
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:32.760
you know, the Grays are sort
of beaming out of hell or whatever.

664
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:39.960
Although I did actually write extensively about
this about seven eight years ago in a

665
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.400
book called Final Events, which is
a very weird book. I got onto

666
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:51.840
the story thanks to a priest named
Ray Bausha. Ray has a really interesting

667
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.679
background. Not only is he a
priest, a Christian priest. In the

668
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.639
nineteen eighties he ran the Nebraska chapter
of mouf ON. He was the state

669
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.519
director, and in the early nineties
he met representatives from the Departments of Defense

670
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.880
from a group that was actually pursuing
that angle. They were like a little

671
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.320
think tank type group. Weren't like
an agency like the NSA or anything like

672
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.119
that. It's a small think tank
and they were looking into this angle of

673
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:24.519
is the UFO phenomenon sort of demonic
and accult and supernatural based? And it

674
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.280
was a fascint I wrote the book
not because to endorse the demonic angle,

675
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.599
because I thought it was fascinating that
there was this small group in government being

676
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:38.840
funded to actually investigate the stuff we've
just been talking about. But I pointed,

677
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.079
but I pointed out in there in
the story that you know, this

678
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.960
is not my story. I pointed
out, you know, I'm taking a

679
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.960
step back and telling the story of
not that I believe it, but how

680
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:54.039
and why this group came to believe
it and what their conclusions are. So

681
00:53:54.199 --> 00:54:00.599
again, you know, I think
you know, there's no doubt that the

682
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:06.599
the the monic angle has quite a
significant following. Really, you know,

683
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.599
there's people like like Tom Horn's books
and things like that. You know,

684
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:15.239
they so incredibly well. So you
know, in that sense, we are

685
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.840
dealing with an aspect of euthology perhaps
a lot of people don't think about,

686
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.039
but which if you look into it, really you can find threads here and

687
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:29.199
there, you know, in support
of that theory. Mm hmm yep.

688
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.480
Interesting well, and day Malone's events
are always very well organized, and I

689
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.199
don't know what the attendance is like, so it'll be interesting to find out

690
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:44.159
from you how that goes. So
yeah, I actually spoken, He's two

691
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:49.960
thousand and seven events and that was
quite well attended really, And how'd you

692
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.719
say, guy's always on time?
It makes me laugh really because he's like,

693
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.079
you know, if you're like thirty
seconds ten seconds out, but it's

694
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.199
like you know your times up almost
imagine you know, you've got like the

695
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:05.519
the shepherd's stick, you know,
pulling your off by the neck off stage

696
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:10.320
or whatever. I know how that
is. Stage can be difficult. Yeah,

697
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:15.679
So let's get to your book.
Your latest book just came out,

698
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.559
what I was going to say,
last month, but it's already March,

699
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.679
so it came out in January.
Three hundred and sixty five Days of UFOs,

700
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:30.960
A Year of Alien Encounters, and
this is really three hundred and sixty

701
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:37.280
five stories, right, Yeah,
that's exactly what it is. And basically,

702
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.159
it's like whenever I write a book, you know, I don't just

703
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.039
sort of write a book from the
perspective being a writer. You know,

704
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.960
I'm also a reader of books as
well, and so I always try and

705
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.880
put myself in the position of not
just the writer but the reader and think,

706
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.800
you know, what would I like
to write about. I haven't done

707
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.599
yet. And you know, most
of my books, it's not all of

708
00:55:55.639 --> 00:56:00.639
them, apart from this one,
have been on specific subjects, whether Roswell

709
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:07.559
or UFO contactees or the Men in
Black. But with this one, the

710
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:13.599
theme is not you know, any
particular or specific theme. The theme is

711
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.039
a UFO case for every day.
Now, you know, obviously I've got

712
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:22.960
the famous ones like Roswell and Rendles, from Forrest and Betty and Barney Hill.

713
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:28.360
But what I've also done is,
for the most part, given the

714
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.079
reader just previously unknown cases. Now, the reason why I've been able to

715
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.159
do that is because, you know, when people are sort of generous enough

716
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.079
to share their stories with me,
and you know, they sort of kindly

717
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:45.159
let me use them in the books
and so on. Very often a lot

718
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:50.239
of those stories that don't get used
because they don't necessarily fit into anything un

719
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.599
particularly writing about, because you know, they're not relevant to, say,

720
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.719
Roswell or the Men in Black.
So as good as the stories are,

721
00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:00.519
very often you know, they just
end up in a word document or whatever.

722
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:06.119
But with this book, the theme
is any subject. It's just you

723
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.679
know that the date issue is the
theme. So that's allowed me to use

724
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.880
a lot of cases that you know, I've never revealed before because I wouldn't

725
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.719
have known what book to put them
in. So the book covers everything from

726
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.400
you know, sort of January the
sixth might be a crop circle case,

727
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:30.440
March the fourth, you know,
might be a contact case. August the

728
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.960
tenth could be a crash ufo.
And the years are at random, you

729
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.639
know, so March the fifth might
be nineteen fifty seven, March the sixth

730
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.400
might be twenty twelve, you know, And so I've tried to keep it

731
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:46.679
very varied. So you know,
the first story might be you know,

732
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:51.480
UFO landing, the next one's a
crash. One after that somebody's seen a

733
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.840
dead alien, you know, in
a military base. Everyone sort of jumps

734
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.559
from one angle to another. Really
mm hmm, yeah, I think that

735
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:04.679
is a super interesting idea. It's
such a it's a ton of fun.

736
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.480
And I mean especially for people who
are interested in a topic, or even

737
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.360
if they're not, if they're just
curious, or even just for fun,

738
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.679
because then every day you can take
the book and look at, well,

739
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:22.760
what happened on this day. I
think people like that because sometimes, I

740
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:24.920
mean the book is quite a long
one. It's about four hundred pages,

741
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:30.639
so you know, it's roughly a
better page or so on average per case.

742
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.280
And I think when you have a
big book or fairly big book,

743
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.000
you know, sometimes people don't want
to wait up from page one to page

744
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.679
four hundred. You know, it
can take time and they have to go

745
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.880
back, you know, and reread
stuff to make sure they're following the story

746
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:49.320
properly. But when you've got sort
of three hundred and sixty five cases.

747
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.480
You know, you can just pick
it up from the beach, you know,

748
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.199
or on the couch or whatever,
and just dip into it in any

749
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.360
random order. You know. I
think people do like that at times,

750
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.079
and you know, they're like just
being able to pick something up and oh,

751
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.400
what's this story about? What's that
one about? You know, without

752
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.000
having to sort of go from page
one to four hundred in you know one

753
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.119
go mm hmm. Do you happen
to have the book with you right there?

754
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.280
Yeah? I do? Could you
tell us about today's story? So

755
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:24.280
let's do both. So today is
actually the second, but this is going

756
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:30.920
to air on uh Monday, and
let's see what's Monday. I don't even

757
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.480
know. People are dying for an
episode. I haven't had one forever because

758
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.679
we just had the conference and I
was so busy. So they're starting to

759
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.440
get mad. They start to get
mad at me. They're like, where's

760
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.239
do you ever don with forever?
So the sixth, So let's read what's

761
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:50.079
on March second first, if that's
okay, okay, Well, March the

762
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:54.519
second dates from the year for it. He is nineteen seventy seven and he

763
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.920
deals with like a Roswell type case, but in the Jungles of Peru.

764
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:08.000
And this actually deals with some sort
of objects that came down in the Jungles

765
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:14.719
of Peru in March nineteen seventy seven, which were described as looking like an

766
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.920
egg crossed with like a tear drop
of that kind of shape. And a

767
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.480
number of military people have come forward
to talk about this particular crash, claimed

768
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:29.280
to seeing the object and it had
this sort of gigantic almost like a torn

769
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:30.719
out piece of metal in the side
of the craft, as if it had

770
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:37.039
been sort of violently, you know, affected in mid air. Now,

771
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:45.800
apparently there weren't any bodies or crew
members supposedly, but there were sort of

772
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:50.639
three holes which were described as hatches, which sort of led to speculation that,

773
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:54.079
you know, could it have been
some sort of escape pod emergency escape

774
01:00:54.079 --> 01:01:01.280
pod type situation. But it's sort
a very sort of fascinating and little known

775
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:07.400
case, this nineteen seventy seven one
from Peru that is interesting. Do you

776
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:13.480
remember where that came from? It's
actually, i mean, most of the

777
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:17.599
cases in the book come from my
own records, but this one came from

778
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:23.239
an old journal I've got uncrashed UFOs. I think it's like from nineteen eighty

779
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.280
one or eighty two, something like
that. That's a pretty weird one.

780
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:34.320
So March sixth, right, so
for the listeners that's today. Oh well,

781
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.760
that's an interesting one because you know
the excuse me, you know the

782
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:46.679
lon Is Amora case from Socorro in
April sixty four. Well, this one

783
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:52.760
is also from Socorro, but on
March the sixth, nineteen eighty eight,

784
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:59.760
now, and this one it was
sort of very difference to the whole Scoro

785
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.880
in the same town you know,
years before. This one was actually one

786
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.559
of the ones that's brought to me
directly from a guy named Max Sparks,

787
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:15.360
and he was actually driving through town
and he said he saw this small sort

788
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.559
of circular shaped ufo. It was
actually only about two feet in diameter,

789
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.960
and it flew over his car as
he was he actually pulled at the time

790
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.880
he saw it. He pulled to
the side of the rose. He got

791
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.719
a flat tire, so he was
changing the tire and this sort of two

792
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:35.280
foot circular UFO flew over and he
said it was like gray and collar and

793
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.800
giving off this strange like a like
a weird buzzing noise like and but quite

794
01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:44.719
a deep buzzing noise where it kind
of made him feel a little bit sick

795
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.000
as it went over. Now,
as I point out in the book,

796
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.880
if we saw something like that today, we'd almost certainly saying, you know,

797
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:55.800
that's a drone. But this was
nineteen eighty eight, so we're talking

798
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.960
next year, it'll be thirty years
ago. So you know, I'm not

799
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.719
I'm not convinced it was it was
a drone. Whether it could have been

800
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:10.840
some sort of prototype, you know, classified military thing that was being test

801
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.920
flown back then. Bear in mind, you know, we talked about New

802
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.679
Mexico, where a lot of WIRZ
stuff has been tested over the years.

803
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.119
I don't think that's impossible, or
you know, maybe it was a legitimate

804
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:28.079
UFO, because I actually have in
the book about nine or ten cases where

805
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:31.559
people had seen UFOs that were only
sort of like two or three feet in

806
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:37.599
diameter, and some of them people
describe like something along the lines of like

807
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:44.159
a beach ball sized type object,
sometimes with spike sticking out of them.

808
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:47.199
And I think there's three or four
cases like that, So in other words,

809
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:51.960
there's probably you know, more than
a handful of cases in the book

810
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.920
where these UFOs that people have seen
are actually not just small, but like

811
01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:00.960
really small. Yeah, that is
really interesting. I know. There are

812
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:05.719
some photos that at least you know, my boss is really interested in too,

813
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:10.079
and they are pretty weird. They
come from Texas And this was a

814
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:15.760
guy who was a guard at a
and he took a video that I know

815
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.880
had gotten a lot of attention a
few years ago. But yeah, he

816
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:23.679
also took these pictures. We have
a story of these real tiny little things

817
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.320
that were flying around. Yeah,
there's some really weird one in along hose

818
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.960
line. Do you want me to
do? You want me to find your

819
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.800
birthday? Okay? Sure, July
seventeenth, July seventeen. Okay, let's

820
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:39.079
have a look what July seventeen is
even I have to check when the stream

821
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.960
and the sixty five of them.
You know, it takes a well to

822
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:48.039
try. You can't remember all those
all right, let's have a look.

823
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:53.920
It's gonna be a weird alien one. Yeah, well that actually that was

824
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:59.000
the day. I mean, you
know the Surpo story, uh huh.

825
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:03.079
You know, it's controversial story and
these sort of allegedly leaked documents about this

826
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:09.920
sort of trip to another world undertaken
by the US military personnel, and then

827
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:15.400
like a teav of aliens coming here, kind of like the last few minutes

828
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.400
of close encounters to the third kind. Well, July the seventeenth in nineteen

829
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:25.079
sixty five was one of several dates
that have been put forward over the years

830
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:32.079
for when the human team, the
astronaut team supposedly went to that other planet.

831
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:36.000
So that's why I've got it down
for that particular day. See,

832
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.119
I think Doty made that stuff up, that guy Richard Doty, But he

833
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.039
probably because he knows that I'm so
interested in his whatd he write that?

834
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:50.760
Maybe he used my birthday on purpose
to dig out? I'm just kidding.

835
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:56.559
That's interesting though. Now you mentioned
Sikoro, and the last one was near

836
01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:00.159
there, and that's near the White
Sands, you know where there's a lot

837
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:06.960
of testing. That's actually Sakurro's very
near the Trinity site. I've heard of

838
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.320
a lot of sightings. Do you
think there's more sightings in that area than

839
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:16.480
than than normal because it's not like
densely populated, but you hear of a

840
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:20.719
lot of stories out there. Well, you know, it's hard to say.

841
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:25.440
I mean there's no doubt that over
the years, you know, New

842
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:30.119
Mexico has had a huge number of
UFO cases, and in the forties,

843
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.199
you know, there are a ton
of reports. Now, of course,

844
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:36.920
the big question is when you're dealing
It's kind of like with Area fifty one,

845
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:43.239
when you're dealing with places where we
know classified experiments and weird looking aircraft

846
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:47.679
are being flown. You know,
although there's a really genuinely real UFO phenomenon,

847
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:55.119
the big question is is knowledgy develops. It's all the issue is going

848
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:59.519
to be trying to tell the difference
between their UFOs and quote, how are

849
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.920
UFOs, you know what I mean? And so I'm always careful when you're

850
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:10.960
dealing with sort of profound UFO cases
in areas very close to not just military

851
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.679
bases, you know that's not necessary
an issue. But when it's sort of

852
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.519
classified off limits places, you know, surrounded by mountains and desert and whatever,

853
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:24.239
then I think we have to be
careful what category put him in,

854
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:27.679
or if we put him in any
category. You know this one from Max

855
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:32.519
Spark's the one in Sacoro in eighty
eight. You know he's seeing it in

856
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:38.440
eighty eight like a two to three
foot circular thing making a buzzing noise and

857
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:44.039
flying overhead would probably amaze people today, really, wouldn't you know. You'd

858
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:45.599
think, oh, yeah, somebody's
flying, he's drone around or whatever.

859
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.039
So I think, you know,
we always have to keep those kind of

860
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:53.119
things in mind when we realize,
you know, we're talking about things close

861
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:59.159
to white sands or close to this
base or whatever. But in saying that,

862
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.320
you know that that cannot explain you
know, some of the really good,

863
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:06.760
credible cases that occurred in the like
forties and which have are mentioned in

864
01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:11.840
you know, freedom information files.
Some of those just those cases, a

865
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:16.199
lot of them like Untouchable, because
it's clear that we weren't flying things like

866
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:21.159
that back then. That's what's exciting
about that, Max Sparks one because even

867
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:26.800
if it is, you know,
a drone that was seen early on before

868
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.479
they were known to the public,
that's kind of exciting because you know,

869
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:35.079
these military devices like the drones,
it's all of a sudden, you know

870
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:40.079
they're in the news, but they're
usually well developed and there's something that they're

871
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:45.159
using. So there's obviously some history
there that we're not aware of, and

872
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.439
so it's exciting. I think when
people say they've caught glimpses of something that

873
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:54.600
was secretive and was advanced, and
now it's no longer because well, it

874
01:08:54.720 --> 01:09:01.079
lends to the possibility that we could
spot something advanced that way, right,

875
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.399
You're right, and I mean,
you know it's we know that when for

876
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:09.279
example, in the late eight is
when the Stealth Bomber and the Stealth Fighter

877
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.119
were sort of rolled out, you
know, from the angers, and people

878
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:17.760
saw these large black you know,
swept back, weird looking triangular showed things.

879
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.920
You know, we know that they're
on the drawing board, and in

880
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:26.479
nineteen seventy five, and we in
prototype form we're only reflying just a couple

881
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.760
of years after that, and we
didn't get to know them about them until

882
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.680
like eighty eight. So in that
sense, I'm pretty sure that there are

883
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:41.960
things on the drawing board now that
we really don't know anything about. And

884
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.199
I'm quite sure that if they're flying
around and occasionally they get seen by mistake,

885
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.000
you know that whoever's flying them,
he's quite happy for people to think,

886
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:53.920
oh, it's little green men because
it actually good cover. Now,

887
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:58.239
that doesn't take away the fact that
there are legitimate, really good, genuine

888
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.840
UFO cases, but I think the
phenomenon has been can be manipulated, you

889
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:10.680
know, as a camouflage for classified
aircraft flights and that kind of thing,

890
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.520
and I wouldn't be surprised, you
know, if that's happened quite a lot,

891
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.760
really, And so you know,
the big question is how we differentiate

892
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:25.079
between hours and theirs, you know, and and as our technology develops,

893
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.920
will we be able to even you
know, sort of figure out the differences

894
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.840
or the similarities. M hm.
Now, the motivation behind writing the book

895
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:39.399
I can really identify with two is
these cases that you really love that you

896
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:42.960
know, you couldn't really put out
there or didn't have a way to put

897
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.479
out there, and this kind of
lent a vehicle for you to do that.

898
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:50.319
Because I've got those favorite cases too
that maybe I've written an article,

899
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:57.520
but I'm always looking at an excuse
to talk about them because they're really good

900
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.920
cases, and I think people should
know about what is maybe one of those

901
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:06.319
cases in particular that is in your
book that you were, you know,

902
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:14.079
really itching to get out to people
that you're excited about. Well, actually,

903
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:15.880
I wouldn't say basically just one,
but there were some of the like

904
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:20.960
really weird and creepy men in black
cases that had never used before, you

905
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.560
know, I mean, like I
mentioned, you know when I spoke at

906
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:27.960
your conference last year, there's this
perception that the men in black, the

907
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.279
real men in black, are like
Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones in the

908
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:35.359
movies, you know, when the
reality they're sort of much creepier and weird

909
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:40.600
looking, you know, like really
pale and gaunts and these large eyes they

910
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:47.000
hide behind these big black sunglasses.
And what sort of fascinated me was the

911
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:54.159
sort of sheer number of reports that
were coming in from various parts of the

912
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:58.319
world. So I've got a number
of never before seen men in black cases

913
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:02.520
from the US, but also from
places like Puerto Rico, South America,

914
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.920
all over the place, and and
so I wanted to put those into you

915
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:13.119
know, to demonstrate people to people
that this is like a worldwide phenomenon,

916
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:19.399
and you know, they come across
almost far less UFO stop based store isn't

917
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:25.640
more like a almost like a Gothic
horror story. That's so how weird and

918
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.560
creepy they actually are. It's funny
you say that because when I think of

919
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.880
men in back, because I'm more
familiar with the stories and they're so odd

920
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:38.760
it almost makes me think of American
horror story. You know, it's just

921
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:46.960
creepy and weird and just enigmatic and
creepy. Yeah, that kind of like

922
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:56.000
a cross between like a cross between
nineteen fifties gangsters and you know, like

923
01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.800
like some sort of gothic vampire that
they kind of you imagine a blend of

924
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:02.079
a too. That's sort of you
know, the black for door and the

925
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:08.000
black suits, but you know they
look sickly. You know they're going to

926
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:11.720
keel over kind of thing. Yeah, and I'll touch on this real quick

927
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.359
because I know we're running out of
time, But you also have a book

928
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.920
called Women in Black. I mean, is it the same for these women

929
01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.000
in black that have been seen?
Are they gaunt and creepy as well?

930
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.960
Yeah, they're sort of pretty much
the same, really, And you know,

931
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:30.199
they turn up in relation to UFO
encounters and warn people not to talk

932
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:32.560
about what they've seen, or they
try and find a way to get information

933
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:38.199
out of them. And again they
don't look you know, completely normal.

934
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:41.840
But just coincidentally, when you're on
about you know, you're just talking about

935
01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:46.279
articles and so on and things like
that just coincidentally, today I wrote an

936
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:49.319
article for Mysterious Universe which would be
up in a couple of days. Were

937
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:55.279
actually made a mention of you because
she wrote about it was the Jackie Gleeson

938
01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:00.439
one. Yeah, the President Nixon, So which is see know, it's

939
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:04.239
one of those sort of really bizarre, over the top stories, but it's

940
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:09.079
one that still makes people think,
well, is it so over the top

941
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:14.520
that it could be true? So
it's kind of like an interesting one,

942
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.279
it is. And I think it
was that the Nixon Library. I actually

943
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:23.720
went to and got some photographs that
are in my story online. Feel free

944
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:28.399
to use of if you want,
because it's got Nixon and Jackie Lison playing

945
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:36.479
golf together. Yeah. So I
guess to wrap up, what is your

946
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:41.399
next project? Because you're you.
It's just like I said earlier, it's

947
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.079
amazing how much you put out and
how many books that you've got, and

948
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:48.119
it looks like, you know,
you've got three in just the last like

949
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:54.600
six months. What's your next book? Well, my other big interest is

950
01:14:54.640 --> 01:15:00.159
sort of like cryptozoology, unknown animals, and I've got one coming out the

951
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.760
end of August. It's called Shape
Shifters, and it's like a history of

952
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:12.520
sort of in culture history, folklore, mythology of creatures that could change shape,

953
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.039
you know. So I've got the
obvious ones like were wolves in there,

954
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.319
but also you know, like Native
American legends of like the coyote and

955
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:26.239
things like that, the skin walkers. So it's like sort of almost like

956
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.039
an A to Z, not an
a to Z star, but it's kind

957
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:34.279
of like an a to Z of
stories of shape shifting creatures, if you

958
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:39.600
like. And and where the you
know, the stories came from and looking

959
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.439
at the you know, the different
theories that again that have been put forward

960
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:47.399
for what these kind of things might
be mm hmm. And what's the best

961
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:51.279
place for people to find your books? Where would you prefer they go?

962
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:57.920
Produce them? Well, all the
books are available on Amazon, and quite

963
01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.920
a few of them you can get
off the shelves in Bonds and Noble,

964
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:03.279
or they can order them in for
you as well. And people I have

965
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:09.560
a blog called World of Whatever.
So people type in Nick Redfern World of

966
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:14.439
Whatever you'll see the link to my
blog and people can contact me there,

967
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:19.199
and they can also reach me at
Facebook. There are a few Nick redperones

968
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:24.159
there, but scroll down and you'll
find me, so thank you so much

969
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:27.760
for being on the show again.
I think everybody needs to go out and

970
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:34.399
get your book and I can't wait
to read what the Daily what the UFO

971
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.920
story is, So thank you very
much. All Right, well, thanks

972
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.279
a lot a learned, Joe,
thank you, Thank you so much,

973
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.920
Snick for coming on the show again. So really cool. This is a

974
01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:51.119
great book. He's got thirty three
hundred and sixty five days of UFOs,

975
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:57.720
a year of alien encounters. So
check that out. You can see what

976
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:02.520
alien encounters might have happened on your
birthday. Hopefully you don't open the book

977
01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:09.279
look at your birthday and then find
out that you're the result of some sort

978
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:13.479
of alien encounter. That would be
kind of creepy, huh. But yeah.

979
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:17.920
You'll be able to find his book
on Amazon or at Nick Redfern fourteen

980
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:25.720
dot blogspot dot com, and or
you could google Nick Redfern's World of Whatever

981
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:30.399
and you will find Nick Redferns blog
page. So and he's got lots of

982
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:33.840
stories he puts up there on a
regular basis. He's just a busy,

983
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:42.319
busy, busy fella, always got
something going on. So great guy,

984
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.680
So thank you so much for being
on the show Nick. Otherwise, all

985
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.840
of the UFO news that we talked
about earlier today you will find at Openminds

986
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:54.359
dot Tv. Also, I'll be
writing up a story on George Bush.

987
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.199
In fact, I'm gonna finish that
up, so by the time you hear

988
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:00.359
this, the George Bush story will
be up, so you'll be able to

989
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:04.239
go see what he said on Jimmy
Kimmel Live. So and also, like

990
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:09.319
I said, keep an eye on
our social media. So probably starting tomorrow,

991
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:14.079
we'll be doing some Tom DeLong giveaways
and some discount codes. So when

992
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:16.920
Tom Delong's book just does come out
to nonfiction, you'll be able to get

993
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:21.000
a discount on that. So I
know many of you plan to purchase it,

994
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:26.560
why not get it at a discount, So check out our social media

995
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:32.279
for that. Otherwise, the shows, so, uh, don't kill me,

996
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:38.159
but I'm gonna be on vacation on
Monday, So for next week,

997
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:42.520
I will not be posting a show
on Monday, but I will be doing

998
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:46.119
an interview with Leslie Caine. So
of course we have some interesting things to

999
01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:50.039
talk about with her, and we
will, but we'll also be talking about

1000
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:54.680
her new book, so we'll have
some ufone news at the beginning with Leslie,

1001
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:58.760
but we're gonna be talking a lot
about her new book, which is

1002
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:02.319
around senator on life after death.
So I think it's really interesting. I

1003
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:09.720
think a lot of our listeners see
that it's interesting. But she also wants

1004
01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:14.800
to share why she decided to write
this book and how it relates to UFOs,

1005
01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:18.560
so I'm very curious about hearing that. So we'll have Leslie Kane will

1006
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:21.960
actually be posting it on Wednesday,
so as soon as I get back from

1007
01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:26.159
my vacation, I will work on
getting that posted so I can have it

1008
01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:30.039
as soon as possible. I knew
you will probably would not tolerate me not

1009
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.199
getting out another show next week,
so we will have another show. It'll

1010
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.760
just be a little late. Other
than that, you know, I'm gonna

1011
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:41.239
do my best to get back to
getting some shows out on a weekly basis.

1012
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.760
So I apologize for this break.
However, it was for a very

1013
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.439
important thing, the UFO Congress,
which went so well. If you want

1014
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:54.920
to see the videos of the lectures, you can go to our Openminds dot

1015
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.439
tv store. So if you go
to the page, you'll see the store

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and you could get DVDs. Otherwise, you can get our streaming video service,

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and this is really what I think
you should do. Go to open

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Minds dot tv and you'll see links
for the streaming video service. You'll also

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see them at Ufocongress dot com And
we've already got James Fox on there so

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you can watch his new lecture about
the Phoenix Lights, which included never before

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01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:30.079
seen video of Fife Simington. So
of course you've all seen some video of

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him talking about the Phoenix Lights and
how he now feels he he, you

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know, saw the Phoenix Lights and
they were an ET spacecraft. Now,

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01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:42.479
James Fox is a guy who got
him to come out about that. So

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in this video lecture from the UFO
Congress, you'll be able to see James

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Fox talk about that. You'll also
see him show some video when Fife Simington

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came clean, so you'll see that
and you'll see what fIF Simington said because

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he said a lot more. He
talked about looking to the Pentagon, the

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Pentagon knowing but not sharing information that
he felt like some of the official stuff

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that came out was bunk. I
think that's the word he uses, bunk.

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So really interesting comments that James has
not been able to show the public

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before that you'll see for the first
time in this video, so go to

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the Open Mind's UFO video portal to
be able to see that. There's a

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very low monthly subscription. Definitely by
far the best deal, because if you

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want to rent a video just a
one off you can. However, it

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costs about just as much just to
subscribe and then have access to everything.

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We've got hundreds of video hours of
videos up there. I think we have

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at least one hundred videos, but
we've got a ton almost one hundred,

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if not one hundred, because we
have all the past UFO Congresses and we'll

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be posting on a regular basis the
twenty seventeen UFO Congress videos. James Fox

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is the first one, but you'll
see more as time goes on, so

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check that out. I think that's
it for today. I hope you all

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enjoyed the show. It's great to
be back. Thank you all so much

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for listening, and thank you very
much to the listeners who came up to

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01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:19.399
say hi at the conference. It's
always so nice to meet you guys and

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to see you. It's very inspiring. It really helps motivate me to keep

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doing what I'm doing, and I
hope you got that sense. I'm always

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so busy at the conference, and
I always try to take the time to

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say hello and thank you, and
I hope that I did a sufficient job

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of doing that and letting you know
how much I appreciate you. So I

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do appreciate you all so very very
much. That's it for today. Thank

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you so much to Caleb Hanks for
the opening end closed music. Thank you

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01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:56.760
to Martin Willis for joining us for
the news at the beginning of the show,

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and thank you all so much for
listening. Name I will talk to

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you next week. Adios, moved
chachos, your emotions sound Glas Garrio's hollering