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Welcome to Guardians Weekly on the Cleveland
Guardians Radio Network. Guardians Weekly is front

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save hundreds on car insurance. Hi,

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everyone, welcome to Guardians Weekly.
Jim Rosenhouse along with you from City Field

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in New York, where the Guardians
are taking on the New York Mets this

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weekend in a three game series season. It will be a little bit different

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schedule than had planned for the two
teams, as the game on Saturday has

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been postponed due to rain and wet
grounds. It was scheduled for a four

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ten first pitch, but now the
teams will make it up as part of

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a split double header on Sunday,
with a one forty first pitch for a

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Game one and a seven ten first
pitch for a Game two. Coming up

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in a little bit. On this
week's show, we will hear from outfielder

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Stephen Quan, also Brian Rocchio,
the young infielder who made his major league

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debut earlier this week, and we
also had a chance to catch up with

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on Friday, Francisco Lindor. The
first time that Lindor is facing the team

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that drafted, developed him and made
him a star really and certainly he fit

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right into those great teams that the
Cleveland had during the twenty fourteen, fifteen,

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sixteen seasons, sixteen the World Series
year. Lindor is such a big

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part of that, and we'll hear
from him as before the game on Friday

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night, he had a chance to
talk about some of his memories as a

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Cleveland Indian, and we'll hear that
in the second part of our show.

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But first our week in review and
after an off day on Monday, coming

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out of tremendously exciting home weekend series
in which the Guardians took two out of

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three from the Angels, they really
struggled in the first two games in Chicago

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against the White Sox, with Chicago
winning eight to three on Tuesday night and

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backing that up with a seven to
two win on Wednesday night. So the

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Guardians were looking to salvage the finale
of the series on Thursday afternoon in Chicago.

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They had Logan Allen on the mound
and the rookie cruised through the first

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inning, but found himself in a
big time jam in the second as the

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White Sox loaded the bases with nobody
out outfield, medium deep straight away.

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The next delivery, check swing and
a fastball for strike three got him looking,

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no doubt about it. Hack of
a job by the young man.

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And that's again the beauty of Logan, Allen and Tanner. Baby. Not

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only are they as competitive as all
get out, their poise is remarkable.

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Bases loaded, nobody out, socks
don't score. We are still scoreless after

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two. And then in the third
Allen gotta pick me up from his catcher,

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Cam Gallagher. Runner goes pitches high. Gallagher good throat a second in

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the tag made by Jimenez on the
head first sliding Tim Anderson. That's as

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good a throw as you can ever
make. Just an absolute perfect throw by

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Cam Gallagher to get a tough customer. Tim Anderson thrown out for the first

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time this year. He had been
six for six and that is huge.

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A White Sox picked up a run
in the fourth to take the lead,

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but in the fifth, gabriel Arius
got that run right back. Here's the

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pitch from Cease and it swung on
and driven high in the air to deep

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right center, way back there home
rod Arius. Tie game at one.

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Gabriel arias second time this season has
gone deep, and it's the Guardians won

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the White Sox one and in the
seventh the Guardians got some help from the

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White Sox defense with Brian Rocchio.
The batter first at band today with a

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runner in scoring position, Rookyo tampera
short coming home with It would have been

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Anderson, but he boots the ball. It gets by him and he'll pick

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it up on the dirt portion of
the infield and that air allows Brennan to

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score, Arius to go to third
and Rookio's aboard at first and the Guardians

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up two to one. Later on
in that ending, Cam Gallagher's big afternoon

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continued. Runner goes pits fashed into
left. There's a base hit for Gallagher

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that'll score Arius. Rochio stops at
second. What a day for Cam Gallagher

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as he puts Cleveland on top three
to one. He was down in the

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count O two battled back and got
a mammoth Arbi single to left and for

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Gallagher that breaks an oh for thirty
four skid. That is the first base

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hit this month for a Cleveland catcher. Cam Gallagher's base hit his third of

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the year and it gives him three
RBIs out of that Guardians bullpen Nick Sanlon

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and Trevor Stephen each threw a scoreless
inning, and then Emmanuel Closs was on

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in the ninth inning to try and
finish things up. Now the O two

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swang in a mess pull game and
Class finishes it with a strike out,

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and the Guardians get the finale here
in Chicago by a final score of three

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to one. So a nice win
to finish up the series in Chicago,

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and then it was on to New
York to take on the Mets in Interleague

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play, a three game series starting
on Friday night. The Guardians and waste

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anytime greeting their former teammate Carlos Carrasco, who was on the mound for the

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Mets. As in that first inning, there were two men on for Josh

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Naylor. Now the three one swung
in and blasted deep bright field dawn and

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a three run homer for Josh Naylor. The Carrasco got behind in the count

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and Nailer pounced. Then in the
second inning they added to the lead with

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Cam Gallagher continuing a sudden hot stretch
of the plate. The pitch swung on

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and this is line the left coming
on Canna. It drops for a base

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hit in the score of Straw and
it's a four nothing Cleveland lead. How

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about Cam Gallagher back to back days
with RBI singles. In the fifth,

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the Guardians were looking for more with
Will Brennan on second base with two outs

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and Ahmed Rosario stepped in to face
his former club one and two the count.

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Here's the pitch to Rosario, swung
on line drive left field pedal get

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down for a base hit. Brennan
will score Rosario's aboard with an RBI single

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and the Guardians now lead five nothing. Here it is the staple of the

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offense a year ago, the two
out base hit that brought in a run.

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But on this night the Mets would
battle back. They got into it

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with the two runs in the fifth
inning, another in the sixth that cut

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the Guardians lead to five three.
But in the seventh some clutch two out

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hitting from Naylor gave the Guardian some
breathing room. Here's the two one delivery

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swung on line drive basin into left
that'll score Gallagher quant a round third.

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Here's Kenna's throat of the platen in
time, sliding in with another run is

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quaw and what a night for Josh
Naylor. A two out, two runs,

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single to left. He has five
RBIs and the Guardians lead at seven

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to three. However, the lead
was short lived, as in the bottom

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of the seventh, the Mets loaded
the bases and Pete Alonzo stepped to the

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plate. Boy is he and a
hitter's count? Now the bases loaded,

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three balls and a strike. The
pitch hit the air fairly deep, bright

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granted to the wall. It's gone
a game tying grand slam to right center

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by Pete Alonzo. Well, he
got into a hitter's count and he didn't

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miss a ninety four mile an hour
fast ball, and Karen Jack has given

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him his sixth home run of the
year. It's stayed tied through nine and

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onto extra innings. The game went
in the tenth. Jose Ramirez started the

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inning as the runner at second base, and with one out, Gabriel Arias

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stepped in the one oh swung on
hit pretty well to right Banko's Marte on

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the track of the wall. Goal
on. How about that second day in

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a row for Gabriel Aius a two
run home run the opposite way to write

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and Cleveland's back on top nine to
seven. Here in the tenth inning,

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a line drive off the bat of
Arius, so the Guardians had a nine

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seven lead heading to the bottom half
of the tenth inning. Amnuel Class came

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on to try and nail down a
save, but the Mets picked up two

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runs to tie it, and they
had a runner in scoring position for Francisco

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Lindor. Isn't this something the first
time since that Mammoth trade that saw Francisco

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Lindor go to the Mets for four
players, including Amanda Rosario and Andre Simenez.

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This is the first time the teams
have met since that trade, and

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who's at the plate in a nine
nine game in the tenth but Frankie Lindor

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runner takes off the lines when the
right center game winning single and the Mets

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have done it again and lindaar to
be mobbed at first on a game winning

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RBI singled a right center and the
Mets, with three here in the tenth

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inning, stunned the Cleveland Guardians and
just a shocking defeat as Claus gives up

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three here in the tenth inning,
and the Mets are a winner tonight in

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ten innings. They do it and
walk off fashion after there were two men

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out, and they beat Cleveland ten
to nine and a fitting into a gut

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wrenching night for Cleveland as they played
extremely well, put up a ton of

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runs which have been a rarity this
season, but it did not hold up

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as it was a rough night for
the bullpen. Some key relievers just unable

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to finish things up. And it's
some Mets who come up up with the

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ten to nine win on Friday night. Stay with us when we come back.

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We'll hear from outfielder Stephen Kwan and
rookie in fielder Brian Rokio. That's

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next as we continue with Guardians Weekly
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Welcome back to Guardians Weekly. Jim
Rosenhouse back with you from City Field

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in Queens, New York. The
Guardians taking on the Mets this weekend in

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interleague play. Earlier in the week, we had a chance to visit with

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outfielders Stephen Kwan, who has had
a solid season out of that leadoff spot

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for the Guardians. Remember last year, what an impressive start to his year,

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as he was the American League's Rookie
of the Month. He hasn't been

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that hot out of the shoote but
most of the significant numbers looking good.

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His on base percentage up over three
fifty and he's certainly doing a nice job

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setting the table. And he had
a good weekend last weekend against the Angels

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at Progressive Field, and we talked
to him about some of the signs that

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point to the offense heating up.
Yeah, absolutely, especially after that Angel

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series. I think we had a
lot of guys kind of getting hot.

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Obviously, Josh had that crazy little
run, and then guys were paid up

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after him. I think hittings contagious, and I'll ask of that. So

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yeah, it's good to see the
boys going. I thought it was interesting

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his first comments after the big home
runs was that it's not possible unless you're

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getting on and the people ahead of
him are getting on, and that it

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really is a team thing. And
is that maybe the disclaimer about baseball that

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it is not such an individual sport
but offensively it has to be a team

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thing. Yeah, absolutely, take
it even a step further. I think

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that inning couldn't have started without Will's
at bat before me. I mean,

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he had like a nine pitch at
bat against a guy who had shut us

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out at the ending before. So
I mean, I'm usually not a guy

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who swings first pitch a lot of
time, and after Will's battling that nine

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ten pitch at bat, I felt
comfortable swing at that first pitch. So

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because of his long ab I was
able to get on, and obviously that

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whole inning happened afterwards. So yeah, one hundred percent agree. It takes

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it takes everybody on board. Last
year was such a whirlwin for you from

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the get go. What's been different
this year that maybe has been challenging and

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maybe real satisfying now that you're you're
on a pretty good role again. Yeah,

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I think things are a little more
I was telling you Stable, I

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think it's really cool kind of seeing
the clubbies again, kind of saying what's

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up. Good to see again.
I know where everything's at and where the

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weight rooms at. I'm not losing
fifteen minutes just looking for the weight room

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and all that. Yeah, things
feel a lot more more comfortable this year,

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Steven. So you look at how
things are going, not only for

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you personally, but the team,
and it seems like a lot of the

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numbers are similar one loss wise to
where you were a year ago. Maybe

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a different way to get there,
but feeling wise. Did it really hit

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home this weekend when you had some
come from behind winds that were so common

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a year ago. Yeah. Absolutely, I think we've been all we've been

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in all these games. Kind of
I feel like we hit a little better

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seventh thinging on, But to finally
have them come through, have the guys

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actually score when they're in scoring position, have the clutch hits. I think

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that's really big, But I feel
like we've been putting ourselves in that situation

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a lot of times. It just
happened to pan out these this last weekend.

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Stephen, have a good week.
Thank you, Thanks, I appreciate

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you. That's outfielder Stephen Kwan talking
about not only his season, but what

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he's seeing from the ball club as
we get deeper into the month of May.

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Another young player on this Guardians ball
club was infielder Brian Rocchio, who

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has since been sent back to the
minor leagues, but he was called up

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to fill Jose ramirez roster spot while
the team was in Chicago, and he

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came off the bench on Tuesday night
and recorded his first major league hit.

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And when we caught up with him
with translation help from Augie Rivero, he

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talked about that feeling of reaching base
in the big leagues for the first time.

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They're good. I think it's incredible. It's such a unique energy because

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you know, you can only enjoy
that once in your life. But I

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felt that that was a mixture of, you know, nervousness, but also

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enjoying the moment of you know,
being a Maya leaguer and you don't start

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the game, but you're out in
the on deck circle, knowing that you're

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going to come on as a pinch
hitter. What is it like waiting for

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that at back to take place?
How difficult was that? Now? Yeah,

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I mean I know I was on
the line up, but as soon

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as I got to the dog God, I prepared myself mentally knowing that I

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will be able to help the team
at some point during the game. So

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when that happened, obviously I was
mentally prepared for that. I was a

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little bit of nerves or going on, you know, maybe enjoying the situation,

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but I knew I was ready to
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But betaining, I felt like it
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Seeing the level of effort that Ramirez
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put in. I think that's a
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of effort they put to the game, but most importantly the what I keep

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putting in practice this year. It's
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best on the baseball field. Brian
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and Brian, you're from Venezuela.
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Growing up as a kid, as
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How come think it's just the house
move he was on the field, you

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know, being short stop and being
able to make those different plays with the

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glove then with the hand. And
as a kid, that's what kind of

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like attracts you, you know how
he made everything Luke lay bear hand it

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plays and Barry with the hand.
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things that trucked me and to admire
him as a player. Brian, congratulations

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on the first major league hit.
And you're in there tonight starting at short

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Thanks a lot, Thank you,
Thank you, Aggie, thank you,

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thank you, guys, appreciate it. At sinfielder Brian Rocchio, who again

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is back down at Triple A Columbus. But you get the feeling that we'll

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see him again, certainly at some
point this season, as he's very highly

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regarded, having a good season at
Triple A and gave a good account of

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himself during his time in the big
leagues earlier this week. Stay with us

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when we come back. We'll visit
with a former Cleveland player, certainly someone

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who had a big role in some
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You know, to deal with Francisco
Lindoor, one of the top young

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players in the game while he wore
at Cleveland uniform now with the Mets,

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and he faced his old team for
the first time on Friday night. We'll

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talk to him about it when we
come back after this on the Cleveland Clinic

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Guardians Radio Network. Stay tuned,
folks, is Puppy Isn't over? Shimmer

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was announce back with you. It's
Guardians Weekly. Where it's City Field in

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Queens, New York, where the
Guardians are taking on the Mets this weekend,

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and that means for the first time
since a January twenty twenty one trade

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that sent Francisco Lindor from Cleveland to
New York, the Guardians face Lindor on

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the field. And we had a
chance to catch up with Francisco in the

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Mets clubhouse before the ball game on
Friday night, the first time that he

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would face his old team, and
he talked about how much he's been looking

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forward to seeing familiar faces. I'm
looking forward to a lot. They they

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have been close to my heart for
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A lot of the coaches that I
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there, and some of the players
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happy to see some familiar faces and
I'm happy to play against them. You

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look back at your time in Cleveland, obviously you grew up, but not

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only as a baseball player but as
a person. How much do you look

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back on that time as happy memories? For you? A lot? A

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lot. The clean organization showed me
how to be a professional, and the

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people of Cleveland, the fans,
showed me how to be more caring and

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more passionate, be more and more
in tune with fans. You know that

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my little routine of signing another graph
almost every day comes from there, acknowledging

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the fact that they show loved and
support me. You know, I had

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to do the same back memorable moments. The home run in Puerto Rico,

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the home run off the foul pole
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base set that kept the streak alive
against Kansas City, and any of those

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go right to the top of the
list, or maybe one that doesn't readily

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come to mind for you. I
think my favorite one was recording the last

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out to go into the Worst Series. I didn't make the last out,

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I know Santana didn't, but just
that celebration, that that fulfillment of like,

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yes we did the undoable and then
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That to me, that's you know, yeah, it's great when you have

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athletes and you do stuff and you
help the team win. But whenever you

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finally put it together and you all
celebrate at the same time, and that's

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what matters to me. You had
so many good memories in Cleveland, and

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I know here initially but there were
some challenges. How have you managed to

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get back to being Francisco lindoor again
here after the start smile smile my way

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through life and walk the line,
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And they are, you know,
understanding that people won't results and they

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expect players to succeed. And and
that's once I understood that they want the

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the the result of being success successful
um and that when they when they cheer

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you on, they're sharing on the
moment, what's happening in the moment when

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they um, let you know,
and they show the frustration. They showing

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it towards what's happening in the moment. You know, a lot of times

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it's not because who you are,
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No one better than you right now
to give us a scattering report on the

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team we haven't seen in a long
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what's what's been the challenges early on
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this week? Um, the challenges
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at the same time. You know, when when we played good offense,

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when whenever we hit, we couldn't
we couldn't hold them to a couple of

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runs. And then whenever they you
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we did wint score. So that
was the challenge we weren't doing at the

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same time. We have a great
group of guys here, guys, very

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hard working guys that give us all
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you know, we started to move
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Thanks a lot for the time.
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catch up with Francisco. Lindor and
obviously not easy. I'm sure to see

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him when the ball came with a
base hit on Friday Night. But a

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young man who meant a lot to
this franchise for during some great years,

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not only for him early in his
career, but for the franchise as a

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whole, especially back in that twenty
sixteen season when the Guardians or the Indians

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at that time, went to the
World Series. Stay with us. We'll

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have our final segment of Guardians Weekly
when we return after this time out on

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you. It's Guardians Weekly. We're in

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New York at City Field, where
the Guardians are taking on the Mets this

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weekend. Every now and again we
check in with Guardians Senior Vice President Bob

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d Bacio. He always catch us
up with some folks who are a big

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part of this game, and we
do the same thing again. Today it's

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Bobby d at the Ballpark. The
perfectly manicured field, the unmistakable room of

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a ballpark, Hot Talk and the
Electricity is celebrating another victory. This is

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at the Ballpark with Bobby Dee.
The ballpark is home to many stories,

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many memorable moments, and colorful personalities. Joining me on this segment of at

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the Ballpark is one of the most
talented pitchers to come off the Cleveland Sandlots,

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one of our very own a Brush
High School and Kent State star,

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mister Steve Stone. Steve, thank
you for taking the time to be with

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us today. What's a pleasure to
be with you. It's always special for

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me to come back to Cleveland.
I get to see some of my family

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that is still here. It's kind
of nice. I get to go to

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a couple of delis that I frequented
when I was a youngster, and just

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going back in the old neighborhood taking
your trip down memory lane is always something

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that I enjoy. We need to
start with your time growing up in South

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Euclid play for coach Jim Humpel at
Brush High School at a time when the

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Lake Erie League was the premier athletic
conference in all of Northern Ohio. Freddie

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Heinland at Shaker Heights. My older
brother Danny was a sophomore when you were

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a senior at Brush. I don't
know if you pitched against Lakewood your senior

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year, but my brother probably was
there watching you perform back in those days,

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as you were a sixty five grad
at Brush High School. What do

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you remember about those days in the
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some really good baseball. Euclid was
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we had a guy at Kent State
the name of Tommy l. Jansik who

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pitched for Euclid. He was very
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I think he eventually got to Saint
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Another guy who threw really well.
We had a lot of talent here,

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Buddy Schultz at Shaw and he went
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So we had some guys that threw
it very well. We had some guys

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who could hit it very well.
Shaker won the state championship in nineteen sixty

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five, and we came close,
but there was no cigar, as they

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say. I just remember good,
solid baseball. I also remember that because

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of the time it was played.
It was played in the early spring.

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I think we had twenty four games
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were played with the temperatures right around
forty or under. It was usually wet.

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You had to be a mutter to
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and the meyer to actually get it
done. But that was what it was

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like in Cleveland those days, and
it really helped me actually to prepare myself

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for the times when I was in
Candlestick Park, my first team to being

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the San Francisco Giants. I remember
those cold days at Candlestick Park, and

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I remember back to what it was
like in Cleveland those cold days. Steve,

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we have to talk about your remarkable
season with the Baltimore Orioles in nineteen

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eighty twenty five wins to seven losses. The twenty five wins topping all of

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the major leagues. You are an
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Winner, What do you remember most
about that season? Well, as I

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look back, Bobby, it seems
like it happened to somebody else. But

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what I remember most is that I
made a transition that without that I wouldn't

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have been able to accomplish. That. It was the middle of nineteen seventy

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nine, I was under five hundred, I was with a very good team

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finally in Baltimore. We were on
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games and playing in the World Series. And I sat back over the All

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Star break and decided that there was
a better picture in here. I suspected

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I just didn't know how to get
him out, and so I felt that

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I wasn't going to get any bigger, any stronger, or any faster.

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What I had to do was find
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daily basis than my opponent. And
I knew I was going to face guys

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who were going to go to the
Hall of Fame, and I adopted a

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philosophy that you're going to go to
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Tonight is my night. And then
I through a series of things like

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imagery creative visualization, self hypnosis,
and a number of other things. I

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devised a way to get the most
out of me on a daily basis,

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because there's times when you just don't
feel good. Sandy Kofax, one of

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the greatest pictures in the history of
our games, said he had his best

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stuff twenty five percent of the time, which meant seventy five percent of the

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time he had to win with less
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the greats. So for just average
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best stuff fifteen percent of time,
maybe ten percent, so we had to

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learn how to win with less than
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getting myself better prepared for a performance
than my opponent. I didn't have any

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control over the size, the strength, or the ability factor of the guy

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that I was facing, but I
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allow him to outwork me. I
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I could not allow him to want
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willing to sacrifice everything for that particular
event. And so knowing each and every

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night that I was going to go
in better prepared than the guy I was

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facing, allowed me to make fifty
five zero starts from the middle of nineteen

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seventy nine to the end of nineteen
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fifty starts. Now, my arm
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I had a moment. I had
an eighteen month window. I had a

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season and a half of enchanted baseball. And the thing that I never lost

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sight of, Bobby, was I
wasn't great. I was just borrowing greatness

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in a short period of time.
They were going to come and take it

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back. Well, thirty seven starts
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hundred and fifty innings pitched. But
when you talk about visualization and not many

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guys, I'm sure we're talking about
those kind of things, the hypnosis and

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the visualization that had to be pretty
revolutionary at that time. Well, I

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went into Roland Heman starting eighteen seventy
seven. Now, baron mind, I

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didn't really implement this till seventy nine. But in nineteen seventy seven I went

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into Roland Eman GM of the White
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why does every team have five coaches
for the physical aspect of the game,

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trainers, strength coaches, etc.
Why do they have five and everybody will

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tell you that the actual physical aspect
of performance is twenty five percent. Why

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do you have five coaches for twenty
five percent of the game and no coaches

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for seventy five percent of the game, which is a mental approach. And

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he said, well, said,
I never thought of it that way.

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I said, well, why don't
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then you're going to get guys mental
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You're going to be ahead of everybody
because nobody's doing this, and I'm

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giving you a chance to get a
running start on this whole league, which

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eventually, because it's a copycat league, eventually they're going to get it.

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So at any rate, he turned
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so why did it take that long? I don't know, but I was

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thinking about that, Yeah, surprise, because roll One seemed to be a

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guy that would take a little bit
of risk and chances. But he just

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was an old baseball traditionalist that said
Noah. But it was kind of revolutionary.

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Everybody was saying, you know,
if you just swing the bat enough,

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if you just have his whole lot
of side sessions, if you can

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just get this curveball to spend a
little bit more. They didn't understand that

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what's sitting between your ears is what
controls everything, and the harnessing of the

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mental aspect of performance is going to
make everybody a little bit better. And

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so I have toyed with the idea
eventually of being that guy for some team

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who was forward thinking, because a
lot of them have sports psychologist Bobby.

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But the one thing a sports psychologist, almost without exception, hasn't done is

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standing sixty feet six inches away from
Hank Aaron and looking at his eyes and

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knowing that he's going to the Hall
of Fame. He's an all time great.

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But I have to beat him to
do my job. How do I

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five times a night, times a
night. And Hank got one hit against

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me in his lifetime. It was
a three two curveball. He hit it

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off the end of the bat,
pooped it down the left field line.

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Was the only hit he ever again, Oh my goodness, that pitching staff

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that you were on in nineteen eighty
with the Orioles. Scotty McGregor wins twenty

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again, you win twenty five,
He wins twenty. Jim Palmer, Mike

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Flannagant both wins sixteen. You win
one hundred and two or one hundred games

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that year. The Yankees end up
winning one hundred and three to sneak into

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the American League Championship Series. Talk
about what it's like like the four of

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you down in the bullpen working is
there was that that had to be something

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pretty special. Well, don't forget
Dennis Martinez, who went on to win

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two hundred and forty five games.
Dennis Martinez is one of those guys.

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He would throw two hundred and fifty
innings a year. He would go fifteen

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and seventeen. He would go sixteen
and fifteen because he had a great arm

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but didn't know how to use it
quite yet. But that five man wrote

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they had five cy Young Awards.
Palmer had three, Flannigan one in seventy

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nine, one and eighty. We
would go north many times. Earl Weaver

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would go north with nine pitchers,
nine pictures, five starters, four relievers.

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And the reason they could do that
was we got everybody out. That's

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why you could do that. Start
nine pictures in your staff. That's just

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and occasionally hard to put your arms
around. Obviously, today's game where they're

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limiting it to thirteen, right.
Occasionally they would feel extravagant and go with

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ten. But the Orioles were a
different kind of team. For the reason

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is you'd look at their players individually, and they weren't as good as Boston.

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Buston had Butcher Hoops and hitting ninth, he at thirty home runs.

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They had Carlton fiskeo Hall of famer
behind the plate. They had Carlia Stramski,

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hall of Famer at first face,
they had Burlson, they had they

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had Remy at at short and second. They had a Hall of Famer Jim

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Rice, and left. They had
Freddy Lynn, a wonderful center fielder.

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They had Dewey Evans and right field. We weren't even close to that.

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However, put head to head,
the whole of the Orioles was better than

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the sum of its parts. And
that's the way you win. You win

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with a team effort, everybody pulling
in the same direction. But you have

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to understand, and this was the
philosophy in Baltimore. It was espoused to

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me by two different guys when I
got there in the first month, and

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they said, we don't score early, and we don't score often, but

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hold us close and you win more
games than you ever dreamt. And the

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thing and the reason was said,
if you hold us close, that other

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team is going to make a mistake
before we do. And when they make

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that mistake, we're going to bury
them with it. And that was a

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team of guys that knew on a
day to day basis they were going to

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beat that other team. They thought
about it from the first inning to the

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ninth inning. They waited for that
mistake, and when they got their mistake,

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it was lights out for the other
team. Or a Weaver, the

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best skipper you had the privilege to
play for. He was the most interesting,

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I bet yeah. He was one
of those guys that I think he

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understood how to win in baseball.
I think he understood percentages before there was

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analytics. He refused. He would
rather give you a child than give you

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an out. He didn't want to
bunt. He wanted to He wanted to

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hit a three run homer, he
thought, you know, he didn't want

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to steal very much. He just
giving an out was just to him.

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It was ridiculous. He always had
three by five cards matchups. I mean,

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he was one of the first managers
that ever did that, he had

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him in his back pocket. He'd
take him out, and so you know

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it was good and it was bad. I remember Jim Palmer saying to him

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when he came out to talk to
him. He goes, the only thing

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you know about pitching is you couldn't
hit it, So get back in the

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dugout. So was Earl the best. Earl was the most successful as a

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Hall of Fame manager. Earl understood
that each guy had a different key.

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They weren't one size fits all.
So one guy he would boot in a

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buck, the other guy he would
put his arm around. He loved Lee

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May. He would never say a
cross word to Lee May. He screamed

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at me something you couldn't believe it
because I got there. I was there

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first free agent. They had never
dipped in the free agent market before,

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and so he never let me finish
the game, which drove me kind of

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crazy. Kept taking me out.
One day he took me out. I

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didn't wait for him to get to
the mountain. Come walking off the mountain.

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I flipped them. The baseball hits
him in the chest, and then

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I go walking into the dugout.
Anyway, the next day we had this

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knockdown, knockdown, drag out fight. But you know, he did whatever

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he could to get the best out
of the individual player, and more times

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than that he was right. This
was real fun. Wish we had more

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time, Steve. Thank you so
much. Bobby. Always a pleasure and

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I'm glad. I'm glad you're getting
into my business. It's nice. It's

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nice to see a long time front
office guy getting into the radio biz enjoy

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doing it. I'll tell you that
connecting with all the people that come through

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the ballpark. Here's hoping you enjoyed
today's visit with Steve Stone. We look

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forward to sharing at the ballpark stories
on the Cleveland Clinic. Guardians Radio Network's

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Guardians Senior Vice President Bob de Biasio, and that will do it for our

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show this week. Just a reminder, no baseball today from New York as

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the Guardians and the Mets were postponed
due to rain. A lot of baseball

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tomorrow, including a one forty ball
game in the afternoon as the makeup for

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today's rain out in addition to the
seven ten first pitch tomorrow night. As

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always, thanks to Brian Matzay for
helping to put together our show. This

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is Jim Rosenhouse and we'll look forward
to talking to you next week. From

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Progressive Field on another edition of Guardians
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