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I'm Samantha, who are you here with Megan's back in the studio. Virtual
reality. Here is this virtual? Yes? Is this virtual reality? No?
This is virtual virtual reality, it's what it's virtual, but not virtual
reality. Oh, this is virtual, not virtual reality. All right,
Well tonight we're talking about FANNEL and there's a lot to talk about here,
and this is called the Fatanyl crisis. And Megan is the person I go
to for all of this, right, highly educated in their field of drug
addiction, highly educated in the field of Uh. Just want everything to do
with the brain, all right? Can I set it up that way?
Anything to do with the brain. Megan is a genius. Give it to
your facts here, Okay, the brain, go ahead, what are you,
Megan? Development, here's a technical Stop the spiritual crap. Just give
the real PhD facts, PhD facts, PhD facts. Literally, I'm getting
a literal PhD in transpersonal psychology, literal in astrology. I'm getting a PhD
in astrology in spirituality right now. That's what I'm wrapping up. Legit.
But all right, but you already have PhDs in other forms, Yeah,
clinical psychology, clinical counseling, like what you would get if you want to
go see a therapist. Yeah, Well, people want to hear that,
because then they know you're not some fruit loop crazy lady flying around on your
witch broom here. Okay, yeah, but they're all fruit loops, but
unfortunately people recognize them as real doctors. I want people to recognize my listeners.
That making is too. Okay, she's a real therapist, real this
reel that now she's just went off into a different world. Is difference between
therapists and psychologists. This, Yeah, it means the psychologist can go to
school the therapists and there's a psychiatrist. Okay, it's all different degrees,
but you know whatever means that well to some that up in the I do.
I have a master's degree in Clinical Counseling, Forensic and Correctional Specialty,
then went on train four years as a clinical psychologist, and now wrapping up
my training as a trans personal psychologist. So yeah, I've covered I've covered
the bases here a trans but it's yeah, that's what I'm saying. This
word like, no ever got to break it down. I just have to
call it spiritual because it's a word no one's sort of trans personal psychologists.
Trans Personal psychologists stands for spiritual basically a spiritual psychologist. Yeah, you must
be dealing with a lot of young people. Is the young coming to you
or the older and middle age? Like? What's the age? What's your
demographics here? Okay, it's so weird. I pay attention to this because
I think it actually reflects, like what is going on with me as to
when I start to draw in people of different ages. I'm actually working with
a group right now eighteen to twenty and then mid thirties. Yeah, and
then I have a good chunk though, that come to me that are about
fifty five when they start to hit their Chiron return and they're having this sort
of like breakdown of their life and they're trying to change. It's very common
that I get people in that age group fifty five. Hold on before we
go to the subject. Before we go to the subject tonight on hand,
Chiro Return? What am I in? Lost in space? Here? Am
I like in with the guy with the point? The year is Star Trek?
What the heck is Chiro Return? I feel like I swear to God,
I'm in the spaceship where Cairo Return? Have you ever heard that,
mister producer Cairo Return? That sounds like something on Star Trek, no star
Trek. There was a show called Star Trek. What's wrong with you?
Star Trek trek track? Whatever it is? What is Cairo? Cairo things?
I think I'm going through the stars. Okay, I'm in Cairo.
Yes, chron Kyron, this is where my research is. This is where
because I'm studying astrology right now too, so I'm doing my research on this.
Yeah, we talked about astrology on the show before the Chiron return.
It's your no disrespect since you left Boston. Since you left Boston, things
have changed in your brain a bit. I don't know what given you down
in South Carolina there. I don't know. Is it blessure hot dolland I
don't know what is? But okay, am I in Kion stage at fifty
eight. Yes you are, ma'am, Yes you are. And what does
that actually mean? Before we go to this phetanoyl? What is it means?
The biggest wound that your psyche could have ever encountered comes back around to
greet you again and in return. Yes, but Chiron is like deep,
it's deep. This is where I do my research. Yeah, it's it's
major. A lot of people thought from a lot of season astrologers don't even
talk about this, and I have a lot of questions about that because I
think that's gonna start to change. But yes, this chiron return is very
serious and and let me just say real quick, it plays a big role
when it comes to menopause, in the experience of menopause. Yes it does.
Oh thank you. Just when I thought it wasn't crazy enough. I
gotta be on chiron or whatever return or whatever this is. So my deepest
problem is gonna come out now, Well they come out right, that's right,
which means what give me the ad result? Where am I going?
I don't want to go too deep, just check myself in no, no,
But remember in the in the break and one of the point we were
talking about this idea of what a surrender means. The people that don't surrender
to certain situations in their lives or certain parts of themselves will have stronger and
hot, harder, really hot flashes in menopausal symptoms when this hits, because
it's the resistance that we have to acknowledging what the deeper wounds are that then
trigger really strong menopausal reactions, which is the age that chiron hits in its
return around fifty five to sixty for women in particular. So it's you are
faced with these like real deep wounds that you don't even know exist. This
is why I'm here. I hope people see what they don't see. And
the chiron return is really significant in human development, really is. I know,
I sound like I'm off the rich say, okay, we have to
talk about feentanyl crisis. So you and I would be talking tonight on the
phone about my chiron or whatever I have that I'm going through my life right
now. Okay, all right, let's talk about the feentanyl crisis. Let's
get back on track. I'm actually feeling like a weird house that I'm going
on off and I'm losing my voice. Okay, all right, we've given
your background here. Let's talk about this crisis that's going on. Okay,
because it's scaring the heck out of me as the mother, and it's scaring
the heck out of every mother and father out there right now. Okay,
your kid does a bump of coke, they think it's no big deal.
They're out drinking, and they do a bomb to kind of, you know,
get away from the booze. Straightened out. Your kid's dead. One
bomb can take your kid out of cocaine. Okay, we know obviously it's
in heroin everywhere, it's in marijuana, it's in all these medications that they're
sung on the black market. Add meds, you know, name them Sammy,
what add meds Adderall? It's late Adderall's laf so that it just keeps
going and going and going. And these kids are buying it. Your kid
doesn't have a prescription of adderall. They're buying it on the streets. They're
buying an adderall pill and people don't even know that it's laced with fatanyl.
It's fake, it's men made, it's not coming out of a pharmaceutical company.
You got to look at them. It's like buying a fake Louis Vuitton
bag. Or we all want to know. It's really scary, like the
Louisviitton Bag's not gonna kill you, by the way. But you got to
understand as parents, you need to understand that every drug you can think of,
they can buy xenx on the street with fatanyl in it, and the
uppers are low as you can think of that you have in your medicine.
Cabins right now are laced with fetanyl and taking your kids out and friends and
family go from there began. This is first of all, my heart goes
out to every parent that has a person in this age range that this is
affecting ages eighteen to forty five is where it's getting whapped the most. It
is devastating to me to think that we have allowed an unleash of a weapon
like this to kill our young people. And it just keeps growing and growing
and growing and growing and growing, to the point where we're now no longer
talking about drug addicts that might make a conscious decision to try a drug like
this. We're talking about sentinel points that the appointment I'm sitting some point you
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Go ahead, make and take a pic it right back up, please,
So eighteen different, yeah, eighteen to forty five. Not just drug addicts,
by the way, which we can say wherever we want, about people
that make a decision to use a drug that they know is going to kill
them. I one of those people. We have people in this country that
have a lot of feelings about people that do what I did. We're talking
about that, but we're also talking about young people that absolutely have no clue
what they're doing, and they're getting poisoned by the fentanyl thinking it's an adderall,
thinking it's even a painkiller, and then they're dying because it's actually a
fentanyl pill and it's a pill that they bought off of snapchat. That's a
big one. It's really, really, really scary right now, and we
have no there's no potential that I see right now from the governmental or local
level that we have any handle on this adult So it scares me where this
is going to go. But it's a major, major issue. You're seeing
it on the news, and if you haven't, you're living under a rock
because this is probably the biggest it's the leading cause of death in people ages
eighteen to forty five right now, it's surpassing COVID deaths. I mean,
this is the biggest crisis that we have and where the President isn't even talking
about it. What the hell is going on here? And what can we
do about it, and how can we help people become more educated about this
issue and what they can do about and inside their homes with their young children
is where I think a lot of the attention needs to be focused. Okay,
well the young children. Let's talk about our twenty seven year olds that
we can't they're not fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, we can't ground them,
we can't keep them in the house right through over the age of eighteen.
I know, it's been my biggest worry. Right the kids go out,
they're just partying, and they just think they're not even drug addicts. They're
just having a good time out there partying, you know, and they think,
all right, yeah, like I said, when we open the show,
yeah you do a bomb, bum bah bomb whatever. Right. I'm
not even playing light on that because I'm not a drug or alcohol user,
as you know. But I got to put myself into my kids, you
know, when they were young, or with Chad. Sammy's outgrown that stage
of her life by tenfolds, but Chad's still out there. He's got fomo,
you know, I mean, fear of missing out, and he's at
the clubs. He's drinking, and one bad decision man, and you lose
your child one bad decision, And you want to tell me why is the
government getting involved? Why is the president getting involved? Why is the FEDS,
the DA Why? Like, why aren't Why isn't anybody paying attention?
Is that this not the narrative? This is not what they want to talk
about. Let's talk about COVID debts, but not talked about that we're losing
more people to fetanyl debts. Is fetanyl debts outriding cancer deaths everything for that
age group eighteen to forty five. Yeah, it's number one. And it's
not just s fentanyl, it's all synthetic opioids, but sentinels playing a huge
role in it. But yeah, I mean we literally want we've shortened our
lifespan because of this. Our lifespan as Americans has now been shortened as a
result of this epidemic, this pandemic, and we're really not addressing it as
a country. It's shocking to me. It's unbelievable. Okay, why is
that, Megan? What's the talk in your world? Why there's no talk
about this? Why are they're not doing anything about this? Well? The
high right, I mean I could, yeah, I mean, I of
course people are going to hear part of what I'm saying against say, oh,
you know, conspiracy theorists whatever, what we do not hate. But
but what we actually is about money, Megan, Megan, is this about
money? Money, It's about money, and it's about power. That's actually
the reason why the United States UH military was in Afghanistan was a lot.
I mean, you can see the photos of our military personnel and our active
duty soldiers manning and protecting the poppy fields that were in Afghanistan that probably still
are that we own, that the American government manages and owns. I mean,
if you if you have any questions about about what's in it for the
federal government, I mean, that's a good starting point. So there's billions
and billions of dollars that are being made here, and it's a global entity
because the fentanyl is actually manufactured and made in places like China and India,
and that's how it gets here. Larger part. But meanwhile, if you're
in China and you do a drug, you lose your fingers, and you
do it again, you're gonna lose your life. So what's up here?
So let's keep sending to the dumb Americans over here? Is that the philosophy.
Well, it's kind of interesting. I did hear somebody come up with
sort of look a little bit of a theory that really resonated with me.
I mean, if we kind of take this and not just as an isolated
piece, but one major piece of a bigger governmental corrupt system in the way
that our military has actually been depleted over these last many years. I mean,
think about that age range eighteen to forty five. Yeah, that's a
little high on the end of it, but when you get recruited into the
military, you're in that age group. So if that age group gets wiped
out, that directly affects our capacity to structure as strong military as the United
States of America. So if you have questions around kind of like what's going
on here and what the deeper pieces might be, that's kind of a striking
correlation there, if you want to think about kind of where we're going as
a country and what has happened to our military in these last years, and
how depleted and how much weaker it's gotten. So it's a plaus little theory.
I mean, I think there's a lot of pieces here, and I
think power and corruption are at the source of all of it. So yeah,
I think we have easy fixes to find solutions to a problem, like
the war on drugs. But this is no longer a war on drugs and
arguably never was. This is a war on Americans between the ages of eighteen
and forty five and their families. That's what this is. We have to
ask ourselves why, what's the motivation for this? Has there been any presence
in the last I don't know whatever, since this epidemic really got out of
control, has any presence stepped up to the plate. I haven't really followed
it. So stepped up to the plate and talked about fetanyl. Fetanyl has
put it in the front line. I did hear. I read anautical because
I remember are posting with Trump, and then I got badgeed on my own
Facebook because the name Trump was in there. Right, was not taught.
I wasn't sure posting about Trump. I was posting about the article on fetanohl.
But of course that's what people read, right read sure. I think
he might have been the only president in recent history that I actually addressed this
issue, said the word put money towards it. I mean, think about
it. We have a president in office right now who has a son that
has struggled with this exact addiction, and in the two years that he's been
in office, he's mentioned it in a speech once that was just like what
a couple of weeks ago. I mean, that's striking on a local level.
I think Massachusetts has probably been the state that has had governors that have
been the most vocal and taken as action towards this. But now we have
the data coming out that says Charlie Baker's decision to restrict opioid prescriptions to the
three days when he went back and said, you know, we have to
get a handle on this and stop writing these big prescriptions for people that are
getting pain meds for surgery and everything. That they actually have the data now.
My friend was talking about it the other day about how that actually had
a negative impact and drove people to heroin and drove people to oxycont in then
fensanyl, which was always a theory, but now we actually have some data
to say that like that solution was not a solution at all. So they're
at least trying. Massachusetts government and mc deval patrick actually called it a crisis
back when the pills that are present right now, that these kids are dying
from these U forty whatever whatever, that it's an analog at fentanyl. He
called it a crisis when that was starting to get manufactured like what ten something
years ago, and it was going to start getting distributed in Boston and he
put the stop to that that like nobody ever talks about. So yeah,
Massachusetts has been more vocal and more active, but still not finding sustainable solutions,
frankly, And what are the solutions in your opinion? If you could
major, if you could waive a magic one, if I could wave a
magic wand I would not recreate the wheel. I would do what the Dutch
countries are doing. Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Portugal. Yes, they have
decriminized a lot of drugs, in fact maybe fully legalized some. But the
model that they have is not just to give people drugs and just let it
be a free for all. They create a system in which law enforcement and
drug treatment work together. They don't allow people to just use out on the
streets. They don't allow open air drug markets to be happening like how it
happens on mass to have no the police actually arrest you, and you have
the choice. You can go to jail or you can go to treatment.
But you're going somewhere, and there's gonna be a consequence to the decision that
you're making to use drugs out here, out in the open, destroy your
life and potentially destroy the lives of the people around you if you're out here
robin and stealing and everything else and contributing to their negative quality of life by
living out here and squalor out on the streets. No, we're not gonna
tolerate that. We're gonna give you treatment. We're gonna give give you medications
if you need them, but you're gonna have to earn the opportunity to get
access to that by being willing to take the advice that you're given by the
person that arrests you or by the doctor. You don't just get you don't
just get out. Get to be out here acting a fool and just using
drugs out in the open, like how Massachusetts wants to do it and how
San Francisco wants to do it. It doesn't work, And so you have
to have consequences for behaviors in order to really guide people, especially the unmotivated
drug users. If we're just talking about the straight drug addiction, something that
change. Okay, hold that thought. I'm City Stampo, Samantha and you're
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in the morning and welcome back to tap As Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty. And I'm Cindy and I'm Samantha and we're here with Megan Kenny.
Go ahead, Meghan, pick it back up. I think you know you
hear a lot in the harm reduction part of drug treatment around like legalized drugs,
and that'll just like solve the problem. That doesn't solve the problem.
You have to put a container on it. So I recommend people, if
they're interested in learning more, if they are people that work in the government,
that are listening to this at the local level, read about this and
then go back to your team and say, hey, you know, I
just read this book. One book is called San Francico, by the way,
that breaks this whole model down because it's somebody out in San Francisco that
actually has reflected on the flaws of how San Francisco is actually operating their drug
treatment space. But read the books that breaks these models down, because they're
not what you think. They're not what you hear when you hear people in
Massachusetts in particular, say like, oh, we just need to do it
like the Europeans do it and just legalize in all drugs. Uh No,
that's actually not how it's done over there. So we need to use a
more successful model that's already being used in successful ways in other countries. Why
reinvent the wheel. Let's just try what they're trying, see if it works.
But you got to have consequences to behavior. You've got to expect more
from people and raise the standard here because otherwise making everywhere is just going to
be a mass as. Okay, question, We don't have enough beds in
most states. So you arrest somebody, right, and you go, okay,
pick a clean out, go clean out, or go to jail.
Guess what number one? We don't have enough police to go around you still
looking at the decline of police officers, right, that's one problem. Thank
you to the country that we live in. Then no one wants to have
plus anymore. Okay, I will argue that all day long, law and
order we need, but we have no beds. We don't have enough beds
to go around for addicts. So we were going, how can we implement
that in this country? Maybe in Europe they do have enough beds, enough
sche type units and dual diagnosis, and we don't have that here. And
if you don't have money, you're really screwed here. So now where we
going? Yeah, So I think that's one of the fundamental changes that needs
to have happen on a systemic level. We af for some reason, in
Massachusetts, the gold standard has been to approach drug addiction on an outpatient level.
Let's give people's box on and methadone. Let's have them just show up
for their prescription or their dose. Let's try to get them to meetings or
to see a counselor. But other than that, that's the only contact we
have with them. The research shows that if you take the outpatient model and
just give it to the people that have already gone through the higher levels of
treatment, and instead focus resources on getting people into an actual treatment center,
it's like double the success rate than just treating it on the outpatient level.
So we need to like get rid of this whole idea that like suboxone in
method owner, like the gold Standards to treat addiction, that is hogwash.
People actually need to get into a contained setting where they can detox and be
safe while they detalk and then start the process. Because the healing journey,
especially from drug addiction, is an absolute process, and you have to kind
of work a model here in some way, shape or form, and you
have to kind of move through the phases of that program, whatever that program
is. But I think trying to treat people on the outpatient level and jumping
all of the money and the resources into that is not effective. We need
more beds, we need more treatment centers, and we need people in treatment
for longer periods of time. Okay, my question is this, We're going
to find people to treat for treatments when we don't have enough good psychologists psychiatrists
to go around? Tell me that one, we can't, we don't have
that. Where's the money going to come from? For hold on, where's
the money coming from for beds? Who we donate? But where's the government
opening up facilities? We don't have mental hospitals anymore. Remember, we don't
have facilities anymore. So if you have a lot of money, sure you
can send your kids to the best. And what does long term treatment mean?
What does that mean? What does that look like to you? Thirty
days, sixty days, ninety days, six months, what is it?
No, the research says anybody that receives treatment under three months has a significantly
higher rate of relapse and not getting better. It's got to be a minimum
of three months. But I like long, I mean, and hey,
this is coming from somebody that never went to rehab. I mean, so
I'm not even saying like I'm saying you can do it my way too.
It's a lot harder. But I think if we just look at still like
a bigger perspective and just like, what's going to help the most people long
term care? I mean, you need to get displaced out of your area,
your geographical area. You need to change to start the process. And
I really think people need to go minimum of thirty days away to another place
outside of the area that they're familiar with. And honestly, if they've been
in this rat race over and over with ongoing relapses, I'm talking like,
you need to give up a year of your life the way it is right
now and go to treatment for a year straight up, Like I'm a proponent
of the year model, and then a phase down process after that. Okay,
Maggott, do you know the numbers to send somebody away for a year.
It's an average of how much your months today in a half decent facility.
Astronomical, it's astronomical. The top tier, like some of the best
treatment centers are about thirty to forty grand a month. So yeah, you're
talking a lot of money if we don't have the support of the government or
funding to make this happen for people. Yeah, okay, So where's mom
and Dad's going to get that thirty thousand dollars a month every month for a
year to send their young adult off, whether eighteen, nineteen, twenty fifteen,
sixteen, twenty five, thirty. You're not going to quit on them,
right, You don't quit in your children. So what do people do?
We're talking we're talking flying unicorns and you know, pink pigs running around
like this a dream? This where parents are going to get the money?
What? Take it out on credit card, take more debt, take a
second home to save child's life. Okay, that's great. For parents that
can do that. But if you have no resources to do that, then
we do you get the money? What did you where to put the person
and they got to want to go by the way and they got to want
to be clean by the way. Yeah, absolute, one hundred percent,
that's number one. I think you can. You can obviously find your way
through public health treatment for facilities. But I think to your question highlights the
bigger issue, which is it's not fair to put the problem on the parents
to try to figure out this is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed
from the top down. And I can get deeper into this conversation. I
will tell you though, at the core of it, people like me go
to training to do this kind of work to then get paid peanuts and oh,
you know, hundreds of thousand dollars in student loans by the time we're
done. So it's a totally upside down model. There's no incentives for workforce
development to build an infrastructure that allows and attracts more professionals to come to the
field because it's a high burnout rate, low pay, high stress patients that
aren't getting better. You mix that all up and people aren't going to want
to do that work, and if they do, they're only doing it large
in part because there's some incentive like money, so then they'll work at the
high end facilities. But this needs to be a complete change right down from
the people that we're training to do the work. I mean, that is
a huge piece of this issue. And until we're willing to take a look
at the training that's going on in these schools and the costs and what these
schools charge for these degrees, we're probably really not going to make much of
a vent unless the government can relocate resources and really start making this a priority
and put some money towards this to open up facilities. Okay, and think
about this. Every hour, every day, there's some mom and dad in
a crisis right now with your child, or their husband, there's significant other
whatever, right their boyfriend, whatever, somebody that they love that they're going
to get them help right now, within an hour, not three days,
not six days, right away. It's either get them help right away,
or they're going to lose their lives right there's no especially if you get that
person in a vulnerable moment that you can get them in and see that they're
falling to their knees, right, but there's no place to go. So
what does the average person do. What does the average mother do out there
that doesn't make a strong living, right, She just has a job.
He has a job. The father they want to get their son and daughter
into a program today, not tomorrow. What you call those one eight hundred
numbers. I've done that many times for many of my guys that have worked
for me over the last thirty five years in construction. And you know,
drugs have been a rampant, you know, in the unions in construction for
many, many decades. With that being said, I've done that. I've
sat on those one eight hundred lines and it comes right down to, well,
you know, we could send them to Texas or Arizona or whatever,
and yeah, how much is that? Okay, it's gonna be twenty thousand
plus air fair plus a Right. What does the mother or father do that's
right now in danger in your opinion of losing a child. They're gonna go
out tonight and they're gonna get whacked and you're never gonna see your kid again.
They're gonna go out and get high. They're gonna go out and drink
and make a bad decision, and what's going to be is going to be.
Is that how we live what's going to be is going to be?
And the like gives me the chillis to even think about that because it's so
difficult to navigate this process. Part of the work that I do sometimes even
still is stuff to support parents through the navigation process of treatment placement. First
thing to do, though, make sure your house is stocked with narcan.
Please God, please, anybody that's listening to this, please fill your house
with as much knarcan as you can possibly get. Hold that thought, Hold
that thought, Hold that thought, hold that thought. I'm coming right back.
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thirty and I'm Cindy and we're here with Meghan Kennedy. We're talking about the
opioid crisis, the fatanyl crisis, and everything else to do with drug addiction.
Megan pick It up what we say now, first number one thing parents
can do is stock their house with as much narcan as they can possibly get.
You can get it at your pharmacy, you can call up your local
free harm reduction mobile groups and the town that you're in if you do have
them, especially in the city, you'll probably have them and get as many
doses as you can get because the fence and all that people are overdosing from
right now requires many doses of narcan to reverse it. So to be helpless
in that situation where you have a child that just used in your house or
came home high and then falls to the ground and is now starting to turn
blue, and now you have to pick up the phone and called nine to
one one and wait for that ambulance to come and hope and pray to God
that there's enough time for that child to survive while you're waiting for that ambulance
to get there. Who if they know it's a drug related overdose. I'm
telling you right now, they're going to take their sweet time getting there.
I will promise you that. So please know that you have some power to
do something even while you're waiting for that ambulance, which is to start administering
the narcant, go and get trained on how to use it. Also at
a harm reduction coalition or facility or program near you. That's number one.
Number two, though, the easiest solution to get the ball rolling is to
bring them to the emergency room. It is a broken system. You're still
going to have to do a ton of work to find your way through it.
That's assuming the person actually wants to continue and go to treatment. But
the number one place to land is the emergency room, and from there you
can start to navigate the treatment system. But that's sort of like ground zero,
and that's been my experience in my work working in the emergency room,
helping people get into substance use treatment or mental health treatment from the emergency room.
A lot of politics involved with that too. A lot of times you
only get kind of heard if you're coming from an emergency room as a patient.
You try to sort of make a cold call, and they're going to
tell you large in part, they have no beds unless you have the money
to pay, So it's a dirty, dark system. But my advice is
to always go to the emergency room, call nine, run one, have
your narcan, and then if it's not an acute emergency, go to the
websites like the like NAMMY National Alliance on Mental Illness or the federal SAMSA Program
Substance Abuse Mental Health Initiative. They will be able to direct you to resources
in your local community for mental health and drug addiction. But if you're in
an emergency and you're in a crisis, best thing you can do is have
that knock in and then get them to the emergency room. Now, what
about friends, Like when they go, oh, you're let's say you know
your kid has seven A friends, I find that one or two friends will
keep them in their pocketbook, will keep a dose a shot of us in
their pocketbooks. Are they recommending to friends that don't drink heavy, that don't
drink, don't drink, that don't do drugs. I'm sorry to be the
savior of other people, like be the designated driver, you know, like
we have the designated driver when we were young. Now it's you know,
save your life, have your friend's life. Excuse me my throat? Yep?
Are we trying to push that onto other kids? Are they bringing these
into the bar rooms and the nightclubs? They have the stuff, you know,
what's interesting. I just heard recently about a college and I forget what
state it was in, but they just bought their funding and put the program
in place where they now have like first aid kits. And I had advocated
for this actually at my college, but so to finally see it happening is
awesome. First aid kids in the building that have knock hand in them.
So you don't even have to be like the designated driver of the friend group,
because even if you're even if you are an active drug user and those
are your friends, all active homeless drug users. The advice is for all
everybody to be carrying the knocan, whether you're a user or not, because
if someone who you're with needs it, you can still administer it. So
it should be carried by everybody if you're going out, especially if you're going
out and partying and you're not like a group of heroin or fentanyl users and
your recreational drug users coke a little here and there or a pill here and
there, or alcohol. Yeah, of course, of course carry it with
you, have it on your person, have it in the car, and
have multiple doses. I mean I use when I was in Massachusets, I
carried mine with me twenty four to seven, and I'm a doctoral student in
a psychology program in which I'm carrying it with me in the walls of that
school because you just never known. And I've told the story before, but
a friend of mine did die who was in school to be a psychologist.
He didn't die in the building, but he had just finished the master's part
of his program and he relapsed on fentanyl and died. And he was five
years as well, five years clean from heroin. So this can happen anywhere.
It can happen with anybody, and the best thing we can do is
try to be as prepared as possible and try. I tried to attack this
issue from many different angles, and one angle is to put the power back
into the people's hands, give them the knock in and educate them on how
to use it. Megan, here's my question. I never saw a business
death. This is crazy. Drug dealers want to kill their clients off,
Like, what's what's up? Like, why wouldn't you make sure what your
selling is clean? You're going to lose your clientele. Who what kind of
businessman wants to lose that clientele? Make me understand that so this is a
this is a great question. You know where I got my answer to that
question on an episode of Dope. There's a DOCKU series, I believe on
Netflix in which they interviewed the drug dealers that was punted down. I don't
think it was I don't know if it was Dope Sick. I remember maybe
it could have been a different station. It was called Dope. So you
go through it and you listen to these interviews with these people who are actually
selling the drugs. Hardcore fentanel dealer in the streets of Baltimore. I think
I was in Chicago and his faces blurred out, and you know what he
said when they asked him, why, what's the incentive for you to kill
your clientele? And he said, these people want to die. So I'm
helping bring I'm helping to bring them as close to that high as humanly possible,
and I'm giving them what they want, which is that they actually want
to die. Now I don't know that he meant it literally, but what
he did mean is that these people want to get as high as possible,
and I'm going to give them what it takes to get there. Sentinel is
a really delicate substance. You basically have to be an anesthesiologist to know or
a chemist to know the different doses on what's deadly and what's not. So
I think the point is that they're not intentionally killing their clientele, but they
are bringing them as close to death as humanly possible, which equates to addiction
the deepest level, which equates to as much money as humanly possible. Because
now that person's coming back tenfold. And so I think that was the essence,
and I think that's the answer. How close to death can I bring
them? That's the high they want, and that's the high I'm going to
give them. And I made a mistake when I mixed the batch up because
I'm not a chemist, and I put too much and then that person died.
And then it's like, well, oh well, because now the word
gets out that my stuff's really strong, and now my clientele just increased tenfold
because the word got out that somebody died off of my product. It's a
sick system and this is how it operates. Okay, question I have another
question? Is I'm told that you can buy something to check your coke or
check your or whatever to make sure there's no fetanyl in it? Is that
true? That is true? And what do you buy this called? It's
a company called dance Safe, and you can purchase a kit. And with
every kit to test like cocaine or MDMA, they actually send you a free
fentanyl testing strip to make sure that you're actually that you actually have the drug
panel that's going to test to the fentanyl. And you have to go online
and get this and pay for this stuff called dan safe. Yes, yep,
And it's a kit now, and then I don't ask your own drugs.
You do, But I don't know how you test a drug that's a
pill, frankly, because if even if you broke off a little piece of
the pill, dissolved it in water and did the test, there's no way
to guarantee that that little piece is reflective of what's in that entire pill,
because it may not have been mixed evenly if it was made in somebody's freaking
bathtub or pill pressed in someone's basement. Exactly, Oh my point exactly.
I don't I don't know the answer to that, you know, I'd have
to do a little bit more research into that, but somebody could research that.
Look it I grew up in a generation. People went out, they
did a little coqu here they did you know, no one went crazy.
But the end, if we knew that we're gonna do that line of coke
with my friends were gonna do a line of coke and they were going to
die at eighteen seventeen nineteen, I don't think anybody would have been doing it
because you didn't die of cocaine in nineteen, you know, eighty years,
you know, nineteen eighty eighty one, a seventy nine, seventy eight leg.
But now you're taking the risk every time. You gotta tell your kid,
look, you're playing Russi Roulette here. Yeah, but she's basically saying
that people know that they're going to they could one hundred percent and it makes
and want it more. No, that's for addicts, not the kid that
goes out and there's with twenty guys or twenty people and they all decide they're
going to do something stupid that night. Get some coke, which is really
the most unexperienced drug. You know, those type of drug use, they
have no idea where to get their stuff. They just get it and then
they do a bump of coke and boom. That's it. They're down for
the count. You know, at least had core drug addicts nowhere to go
to get there they drugs. You know what I mean. You're talking about
a bunch of goofy kids that are out one night in a nightclub partying.
Right, That's what we did. It was called we went out and just
partied. Right. Now, this is we have two different types of kids.
Kids that go out and just go party, fun time, party time,
right, and they come home. You don't ever see a child again
from one bad mistake. And then you got another group of kids and young
adults and adults that literally do this every day and this is their life.
Either way, it doesn't matter. We're losing people, right, We're losing
kids, We're losing young adults and people in their you know, little forties.
If you're still doing drugs at fifty, I don't know what to tell
you, like, just hang it up. I don't know, there's no
answer for that anymore. Let's go to break question. I don't I don't
mean to not sound empathetic, but you're gonna go to break here. I'm
Sidy's company lists Tapas Nails on WBZ News Radio ten and welcome back to Tapa's
Nails on w b Z News Radar tenth thirty And I'm Cindy and I'm here
with Megan Kenny. Megie. Not to sound on apathetic, but if you're
still doing drugs in your fifties and sixties, you've made that choice right.
Like, I'm worried about the kids today. That's where I'm worried about it.
I'm worried about kids. I need kids to get straight. I need
parents to stop worrying about their kids. Is this subway somebody can reach you
to help out with any of this? Yeah, absolutely you can reach out.
Go to Third Realmintegration dot com, send me an email info at Third
Realm Integration dot com and in fact, go to de EA dot com slash
Sentinel Awareness. There are tips on there for parents on how to monitor your
kids and their online conversation is very important. It's a great everybody, have
a great, safe weekend and get your knocking in your pocketbooks.