WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.759 For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo has been a female home builder with a 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.839 passion for design, a mastery of detail, and a commitment to her crack. 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.279 With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:13.400 on a date with me. That's a good note. It's goddy, im 5 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:17.920 weird. See. Stumpo Development is the only second generation female construction company in 6 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:22.920 the country. You're crazy, You're a wacko, You're insane. I mean, 7 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:26.879 it just doesn't end together. Cindy and Samantha welcome guests to explore the 8 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:31.559 world of construction, real estate, development, design and more. Unpredictable. 9 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:33.880 Every time I think I know what you want, you switch it out. 10 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:37.719 But that's what makes your houses all day. Discuss anything that happens between the 11 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.479 roof and the foundation. Nothing is off limits. You truly do care about 12 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:43.840 everybody. She can yell, ATCHI can scream, but when you get her 13 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.799 alone, she's the best person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as 14 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:57.119 nails and welcome to Cidey Stumpo Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radero ten thirty. 15 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:03.640 I'm Samantha, who are you here with Megan's back in the studio. Virtual 16 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.719 reality. Here is this virtual? Yes? Is this virtual reality? No? 17 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.879 This is virtual virtual reality, it's what it's virtual, but not virtual 18 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:12.680 reality. Oh, this is virtual, not virtual reality. All right, 19 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.400 Well tonight we're talking about FANNEL and there's a lot to talk about here, 20 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.920 and this is called the Fatanyl crisis. And Megan is the person I go 21 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.519 to for all of this, right, highly educated in their field of drug 22 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.760 addiction, highly educated in the field of Uh. Just want everything to do 23 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.680 with the brain, all right? Can I set it up that way? 24 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.040 Anything to do with the brain. Megan is a genius. Give it to 25 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.079 your facts here, Okay, the brain, go ahead, what are you, 26 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:45.840 Megan? Development, here's a technical Stop the spiritual crap. Just give 27 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:52.120 the real PhD facts, PhD facts, PhD facts. Literally, I'm getting 28 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:57.120 a literal PhD in transpersonal psychology, literal in astrology. I'm getting a PhD 29 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.879 in astrology in spirituality right now. That's what I'm wrapping up. Legit. 30 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:06.280 But all right, but you already have PhDs in other forms, Yeah, 31 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:08.639 clinical psychology, clinical counseling, like what you would get if you want to 32 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:13.080 go see a therapist. Yeah, Well, people want to hear that, 33 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.240 because then they know you're not some fruit loop crazy lady flying around on your 34 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.719 witch broom here. Okay, yeah, but they're all fruit loops, but 35 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.120 unfortunately people recognize them as real doctors. I want people to recognize my listeners. 36 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:28.840 That making is too. Okay, she's a real therapist, real this 37 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.240 reel that now she's just went off into a different world. Is difference between 38 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:37.360 therapists and psychologists. This, Yeah, it means the psychologist can go to 39 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.240 school the therapists and there's a psychiatrist. Okay, it's all different degrees, 40 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:45.719 but you know whatever means that well to some that up in the I do. 41 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.400 I have a master's degree in Clinical Counseling, Forensic and Correctional Specialty, 42 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:53.800 then went on train four years as a clinical psychologist, and now wrapping up 43 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.199 my training as a trans personal psychologist. So yeah, I've covered I've covered 44 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:02.199 the bases here a trans but it's yeah, that's what I'm saying. This 45 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.199 word like, no ever got to break it down. I just have to 46 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.840 call it spiritual because it's a word no one's sort of trans personal psychologists. 47 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:21.759 Trans Personal psychologists stands for spiritual basically a spiritual psychologist. Yeah, you must 48 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.360 be dealing with a lot of young people. Is the young coming to you 49 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.000 or the older and middle age? Like? What's the age? What's your 50 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.159 demographics here? Okay, it's so weird. I pay attention to this because 51 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.960 I think it actually reflects, like what is going on with me as to 52 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.840 when I start to draw in people of different ages. I'm actually working with 53 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:46.159 a group right now eighteen to twenty and then mid thirties. Yeah, and 54 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:47.680 then I have a good chunk though, that come to me that are about 55 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:52.560 fifty five when they start to hit their Chiron return and they're having this sort 56 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.199 of like breakdown of their life and they're trying to change. It's very common 57 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:59.080 that I get people in that age group fifty five. Hold on before we 58 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.719 go to the subject. Before we go to the subject tonight on hand, 59 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.120 Chiro Return? What am I in? Lost in space? Here? Am 60 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:08.960 I like in with the guy with the point? The year is Star Trek? 61 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.159 What the heck is Chiro Return? I feel like I swear to God, 62 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.319 I'm in the spaceship where Cairo Return? Have you ever heard that, 63 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:23.360 mister producer Cairo Return? That sounds like something on Star Trek, no star 64 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.439 Trek. There was a show called Star Trek. What's wrong with you? 65 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:31.160 Star Trek trek track? Whatever it is? What is Cairo? Cairo things? 66 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.920 I think I'm going through the stars. Okay, I'm in Cairo. 67 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.879 Yes, chron Kyron, this is where my research is. This is where 68 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.920 because I'm studying astrology right now too, so I'm doing my research on this. 69 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.680 Yeah, we talked about astrology on the show before the Chiron return. 70 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:55.959 It's your no disrespect since you left Boston. Since you left Boston, things 71 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.480 have changed in your brain a bit. I don't know what given you down 72 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.959 in South Carolina there. I don't know. Is it blessure hot dolland I 73 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.839 don't know what is? But okay, am I in Kion stage at fifty 74 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:11.800 eight. Yes you are, ma'am, Yes you are. And what does 75 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.800 that actually mean? Before we go to this phetanoyl? What is it means? 76 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:23.040 The biggest wound that your psyche could have ever encountered comes back around to 77 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:29.920 greet you again and in return. Yes, but Chiron is like deep, 78 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.079 it's deep. This is where I do my research. Yeah, it's it's 79 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.360 major. A lot of people thought from a lot of season astrologers don't even 80 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.839 talk about this, and I have a lot of questions about that because I 81 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.639 think that's gonna start to change. But yes, this chiron return is very 82 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.120 serious and and let me just say real quick, it plays a big role 83 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.720 when it comes to menopause, in the experience of menopause. Yes it does. 84 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:54.759 Oh thank you. Just when I thought it wasn't crazy enough. I 85 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.399 gotta be on chiron or whatever return or whatever this is. So my deepest 86 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.439 problem is gonna come out now, Well they come out right, that's right, 87 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.360 which means what give me the ad result? Where am I going? 88 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:15.040 I don't want to go too deep, just check myself in no, no, 89 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:16.720 But remember in the in the break and one of the point we were 90 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.959 talking about this idea of what a surrender means. The people that don't surrender 91 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:26.720 to certain situations in their lives or certain parts of themselves will have stronger and 92 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.560 hot, harder, really hot flashes in menopausal symptoms when this hits, because 93 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.000 it's the resistance that we have to acknowledging what the deeper wounds are that then 94 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:41.759 trigger really strong menopausal reactions, which is the age that chiron hits in its 95 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.240 return around fifty five to sixty for women in particular. So it's you are 96 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.759 faced with these like real deep wounds that you don't even know exist. This 97 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:54.199 is why I'm here. I hope people see what they don't see. And 98 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.839 the chiron return is really significant in human development, really is. I know, 99 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:01.040 I sound like I'm off the rich say, okay, we have to 100 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.920 talk about feentanyl crisis. So you and I would be talking tonight on the 101 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.279 phone about my chiron or whatever I have that I'm going through my life right 102 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.000 now. Okay, all right, let's talk about the feentanyl crisis. Let's 103 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.879 get back on track. I'm actually feeling like a weird house that I'm going 104 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.639 on off and I'm losing my voice. Okay, all right, we've given 105 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.959 your background here. Let's talk about this crisis that's going on. Okay, 106 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.839 because it's scaring the heck out of me as the mother, and it's scaring 107 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.800 the heck out of every mother and father out there right now. Okay, 108 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.000 your kid does a bump of coke, they think it's no big deal. 109 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.319 They're out drinking, and they do a bomb to kind of, you know, 110 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.920 get away from the booze. Straightened out. Your kid's dead. One 111 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:42.160 bomb can take your kid out of cocaine. Okay, we know obviously it's 112 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.120 in heroin everywhere, it's in marijuana, it's in all these medications that they're 113 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.480 sung on the black market. Add meds, you know, name them Sammy, 114 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:56.399 what add meds Adderall? It's late Adderall's laf so that it just keeps 115 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.959 going and going and going. And these kids are buying it. Your kid 116 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.959 doesn't have a prescription of adderall. They're buying it on the streets. They're 117 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.920 buying an adderall pill and people don't even know that it's laced with fatanyl. 118 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:15.439 It's fake, it's men made, it's not coming out of a pharmaceutical company. 119 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.560 You got to look at them. It's like buying a fake Louis Vuitton 120 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:20.279 bag. Or we all want to know. It's really scary, like the 121 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.600 Louisviitton Bag's not gonna kill you, by the way. But you got to 122 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:28.439 understand as parents, you need to understand that every drug you can think of, 123 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.080 they can buy xenx on the street with fatanyl in it, and the 124 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.960 uppers are low as you can think of that you have in your medicine. 125 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.519 Cabins right now are laced with fetanyl and taking your kids out and friends and 126 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:46.840 family go from there began. This is first of all, my heart goes 127 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.679 out to every parent that has a person in this age range that this is 128 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:56.000 affecting ages eighteen to forty five is where it's getting whapped the most. It 129 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:03.080 is devastating to me to think that we have allowed an unleash of a weapon 130 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.240 like this to kill our young people. And it just keeps growing and growing 131 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.440 and growing and growing and growing, to the point where we're now no longer 132 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:16.399 talking about drug addicts that might make a conscious decision to try a drug like 133 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.159 this. We're talking about sentinel points that the appointment I'm sitting some point you 134 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.240 listening to Temptas Nails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty. Be right back, 135 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:41.159 sponsored by Floor Decor, National Lumber and Village Bank, and Welcome back to 136 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.840 Tampa Nails on WBC News Radio ten thirty. I'm Cindy, I'm Samantha. 137 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:46.679 Go ahead, make and take a pic it right back up, please, 138 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:54.080 So eighteen different, yeah, eighteen to forty five. Not just drug addicts, 139 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.360 by the way, which we can say wherever we want, about people 140 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.559 that make a decision to use a drug that they know is going to kill 141 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.600 them. I one of those people. We have people in this country that 142 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.559 have a lot of feelings about people that do what I did. We're talking 143 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.200 about that, but we're also talking about young people that absolutely have no clue 144 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.000 what they're doing, and they're getting poisoned by the fentanyl thinking it's an adderall, 145 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.039 thinking it's even a painkiller, and then they're dying because it's actually a 146 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.320 fentanyl pill and it's a pill that they bought off of snapchat. That's a 147 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:28.279 big one. It's really, really, really scary right now, and we 148 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:33.120 have no there's no potential that I see right now from the governmental or local 149 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:37.759 level that we have any handle on this adult So it scares me where this 150 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.480 is going to go. But it's a major, major issue. You're seeing 151 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.399 it on the news, and if you haven't, you're living under a rock 152 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.200 because this is probably the biggest it's the leading cause of death in people ages 153 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.080 eighteen to forty five right now, it's surpassing COVID deaths. I mean, 154 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.480 this is the biggest crisis that we have and where the President isn't even talking 155 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.279 about it. What the hell is going on here? And what can we 156 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.320 do about it, and how can we help people become more educated about this 157 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.399 issue and what they can do about and inside their homes with their young children 158 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:11.240 is where I think a lot of the attention needs to be focused. Okay, 159 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.639 well the young children. Let's talk about our twenty seven year olds that 160 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.440 we can't they're not fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, we can't ground them, 161 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.399 we can't keep them in the house right through over the age of eighteen. 162 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.360 I know, it's been my biggest worry. Right the kids go out, 163 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.919 they're just partying, and they just think they're not even drug addicts. They're 164 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.159 just having a good time out there partying, you know, and they think, 165 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.399 all right, yeah, like I said, when we open the show, 166 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.879 yeah you do a bomb, bum bah bomb whatever. Right. I'm 167 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.360 not even playing light on that because I'm not a drug or alcohol user, 168 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.720 as you know. But I got to put myself into my kids, you 169 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.679 know, when they were young, or with Chad. Sammy's outgrown that stage 170 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:54.600 of her life by tenfolds, but Chad's still out there. He's got fomo, 171 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.639 you know, I mean, fear of missing out, and he's at 172 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.559 the clubs. He's drinking, and one bad decision man, and you lose 173 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.120 your child one bad decision, And you want to tell me why is the 174 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:09.519 government getting involved? Why is the president getting involved? Why is the FEDS, 175 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.600 the DA Why? Like, why aren't Why isn't anybody paying attention? 176 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.600 Is that this not the narrative? This is not what they want to talk 177 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.240 about. Let's talk about COVID debts, but not talked about that we're losing 178 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:28.480 more people to fetanyl debts. Is fetanyl debts outriding cancer deaths everything for that 179 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.159 age group eighteen to forty five. Yeah, it's number one. And it's 180 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.120 not just s fentanyl, it's all synthetic opioids, but sentinels playing a huge 181 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.559 role in it. But yeah, I mean we literally want we've shortened our 182 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.159 lifespan because of this. Our lifespan as Americans has now been shortened as a 183 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:50.080 result of this epidemic, this pandemic, and we're really not addressing it as 184 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.399 a country. It's shocking to me. It's unbelievable. Okay, why is 185 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:00.279 that, Megan? What's the talk in your world? Why there's no talk 186 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:05.159 about this? Why are they're not doing anything about this? Well? The 187 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.399 high right, I mean I could, yeah, I mean, I of 188 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.279 course people are going to hear part of what I'm saying against say, oh, 189 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:16.960 you know, conspiracy theorists whatever, what we do not hate. But 190 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.759 but what we actually is about money, Megan, Megan, is this about 191 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.639 money? Money, It's about money, and it's about power. That's actually 192 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:33.440 the reason why the United States UH military was in Afghanistan was a lot. 193 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.720 I mean, you can see the photos of our military personnel and our active 194 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:45.120 duty soldiers manning and protecting the poppy fields that were in Afghanistan that probably still 195 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.200 are that we own, that the American government manages and owns. I mean, 196 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.759 if you if you have any questions about about what's in it for the 197 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.480 federal government, I mean, that's a good starting point. So there's billions 198 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:01.120 and billions of dollars that are being made here, and it's a global entity 199 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.240 because the fentanyl is actually manufactured and made in places like China and India, 200 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:11.879 and that's how it gets here. Larger part. But meanwhile, if you're 201 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.039 in China and you do a drug, you lose your fingers, and you 202 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:16.679 do it again, you're gonna lose your life. So what's up here? 203 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:22.080 So let's keep sending to the dumb Americans over here? Is that the philosophy. 204 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.000 Well, it's kind of interesting. I did hear somebody come up with 205 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.600 sort of look a little bit of a theory that really resonated with me. 206 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.279 I mean, if we kind of take this and not just as an isolated 207 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:37.240 piece, but one major piece of a bigger governmental corrupt system in the way 208 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:41.000 that our military has actually been depleted over these last many years. I mean, 209 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.519 think about that age range eighteen to forty five. Yeah, that's a 210 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.039 little high on the end of it, but when you get recruited into the 211 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.279 military, you're in that age group. So if that age group gets wiped 212 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.799 out, that directly affects our capacity to structure as strong military as the United 213 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.480 States of America. So if you have questions around kind of like what's going 214 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.919 on here and what the deeper pieces might be, that's kind of a striking 215 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.159 correlation there, if you want to think about kind of where we're going as 216 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.639 a country and what has happened to our military in these last years, and 217 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.759 how depleted and how much weaker it's gotten. So it's a plaus little theory. 218 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.639 I mean, I think there's a lot of pieces here, and I 219 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.399 think power and corruption are at the source of all of it. So yeah, 220 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.559 I think we have easy fixes to find solutions to a problem, like 221 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.919 the war on drugs. But this is no longer a war on drugs and 222 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.080 arguably never was. This is a war on Americans between the ages of eighteen 223 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.279 and forty five and their families. That's what this is. We have to 224 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:43.440 ask ourselves why, what's the motivation for this? Has there been any presence 225 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.879 in the last I don't know whatever, since this epidemic really got out of 226 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.840 control, has any presence stepped up to the plate. I haven't really followed 227 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.039 it. So stepped up to the plate and talked about fetanyl. Fetanyl has 228 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.200 put it in the front line. I did hear. I read anautical because 229 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.039 I remember are posting with Trump, and then I got badgeed on my own 230 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.720 Facebook because the name Trump was in there. Right, was not taught. 231 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.639 I wasn't sure posting about Trump. I was posting about the article on fetanohl. 232 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:14.759 But of course that's what people read, right read sure. I think 233 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.360 he might have been the only president in recent history that I actually addressed this 234 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.679 issue, said the word put money towards it. I mean, think about 235 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:23.159 it. We have a president in office right now who has a son that 236 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:27.120 has struggled with this exact addiction, and in the two years that he's been 237 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.360 in office, he's mentioned it in a speech once that was just like what 238 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.679 a couple of weeks ago. I mean, that's striking on a local level. 239 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:40.360 I think Massachusetts has probably been the state that has had governors that have 240 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:45.000 been the most vocal and taken as action towards this. But now we have 241 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:49.799 the data coming out that says Charlie Baker's decision to restrict opioid prescriptions to the 242 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.799 three days when he went back and said, you know, we have to 243 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.559 get a handle on this and stop writing these big prescriptions for people that are 244 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.960 getting pain meds for surgery and everything. That they actually have the data now. 245 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.279 My friend was talking about it the other day about how that actually had 246 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:08.880 a negative impact and drove people to heroin and drove people to oxycont in then 247 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:14.000 fensanyl, which was always a theory, but now we actually have some data 248 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:18.079 to say that like that solution was not a solution at all. So they're 249 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.160 at least trying. Massachusetts government and mc deval patrick actually called it a crisis 250 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.480 back when the pills that are present right now, that these kids are dying 251 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.240 from these U forty whatever whatever, that it's an analog at fentanyl. He 252 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:36.119 called it a crisis when that was starting to get manufactured like what ten something 253 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.079 years ago, and it was going to start getting distributed in Boston and he 254 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.880 put the stop to that that like nobody ever talks about. So yeah, 255 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:48.759 Massachusetts has been more vocal and more active, but still not finding sustainable solutions, 256 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:56.480 frankly, And what are the solutions in your opinion? If you could 257 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:03.160 major, if you could waive a magic one, if I could wave a 258 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.519 magic wand I would not recreate the wheel. I would do what the Dutch 259 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.440 countries are doing. Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Portugal. Yes, they have 260 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:17.240 decriminized a lot of drugs, in fact maybe fully legalized some. But the 261 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.559 model that they have is not just to give people drugs and just let it 262 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:25.119 be a free for all. They create a system in which law enforcement and 263 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:29.599 drug treatment work together. They don't allow people to just use out on the 264 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.079 streets. They don't allow open air drug markets to be happening like how it 265 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.559 happens on mass to have no the police actually arrest you, and you have 266 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:38.759 the choice. You can go to jail or you can go to treatment. 267 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.720 But you're going somewhere, and there's gonna be a consequence to the decision that 268 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:47.160 you're making to use drugs out here, out in the open, destroy your 269 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.200 life and potentially destroy the lives of the people around you if you're out here 270 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.880 robin and stealing and everything else and contributing to their negative quality of life by 271 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:56.440 living out here and squalor out on the streets. No, we're not gonna 272 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.039 tolerate that. We're gonna give you treatment. We're gonna give give you medications 273 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.319 if you need them, but you're gonna have to earn the opportunity to get 274 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:08.319 access to that by being willing to take the advice that you're given by the 275 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:11.480 person that arrests you or by the doctor. You don't just get you don't 276 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.480 just get out. Get to be out here acting a fool and just using 277 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.039 drugs out in the open, like how Massachusetts wants to do it and how 278 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.759 San Francisco wants to do it. It doesn't work, And so you have 279 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.640 to have consequences for behaviors in order to really guide people, especially the unmotivated 280 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:33.039 drug users. If we're just talking about the straight drug addiction, something that 281 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.400 change. Okay, hold that thought. I'm City Stampo, Samantha and you're 282 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.440 listening to Tough His Nails on WBZ News Radio tenth there and be right back, 283 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:55.799 sponsored by Pillow Windows of Boston. Next day, Molding and Kennedy Carpet 284 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:03.160 in the morning and welcome back to tap As Nails on WBZ News Radio ten 285 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.119 thirty. And I'm Cindy and I'm Samantha and we're here with Megan Kenny. 286 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.759 Go ahead, Meghan, pick it back up. I think you know you 287 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:15.160 hear a lot in the harm reduction part of drug treatment around like legalized drugs, 288 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.799 and that'll just like solve the problem. That doesn't solve the problem. 289 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.640 You have to put a container on it. So I recommend people, if 290 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.400 they're interested in learning more, if they are people that work in the government, 291 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.039 that are listening to this at the local level, read about this and 292 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:30.920 then go back to your team and say, hey, you know, I 293 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.559 just read this book. One book is called San Francico, by the way, 294 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.359 that breaks this whole model down because it's somebody out in San Francisco that 295 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:44.599 actually has reflected on the flaws of how San Francisco is actually operating their drug 296 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.319 treatment space. But read the books that breaks these models down, because they're 297 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.039 not what you think. They're not what you hear when you hear people in 298 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:52.640 Massachusetts in particular, say like, oh, we just need to do it 299 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.519 like the Europeans do it and just legalize in all drugs. Uh No, 300 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.200 that's actually not how it's done over there. So we need to use a 301 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.240 more successful model that's already being used in successful ways in other countries. Why 302 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.960 reinvent the wheel. Let's just try what they're trying, see if it works. 303 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.720 But you got to have consequences to behavior. You've got to expect more 304 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:17.839 from people and raise the standard here because otherwise making everywhere is just going to 305 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:22.759 be a mass as. Okay, question, We don't have enough beds in 306 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.279 most states. So you arrest somebody, right, and you go, okay, 307 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.400 pick a clean out, go clean out, or go to jail. 308 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.079 Guess what number one? We don't have enough police to go around you still 309 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:38.119 looking at the decline of police officers, right, that's one problem. Thank 310 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.160 you to the country that we live in. Then no one wants to have 311 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.200 plus anymore. Okay, I will argue that all day long, law and 312 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.079 order we need, but we have no beds. We don't have enough beds 313 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.680 to go around for addicts. So we were going, how can we implement 314 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.240 that in this country? Maybe in Europe they do have enough beds, enough 315 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.480 sche type units and dual diagnosis, and we don't have that here. And 316 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.880 if you don't have money, you're really screwed here. So now where we 317 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.920 going? Yeah, So I think that's one of the fundamental changes that needs 318 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.519 to have happen on a systemic level. We af for some reason, in 319 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:17.039 Massachusetts, the gold standard has been to approach drug addiction on an outpatient level. 320 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.400 Let's give people's box on and methadone. Let's have them just show up 321 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.079 for their prescription or their dose. Let's try to get them to meetings or 322 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.240 to see a counselor. But other than that, that's the only contact we 323 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:32.319 have with them. The research shows that if you take the outpatient model and 324 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.039 just give it to the people that have already gone through the higher levels of 325 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:41.559 treatment, and instead focus resources on getting people into an actual treatment center, 326 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:45.440 it's like double the success rate than just treating it on the outpatient level. 327 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.440 So we need to like get rid of this whole idea that like suboxone in 328 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:52.359 method owner, like the gold Standards to treat addiction, that is hogwash. 329 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:57.599 People actually need to get into a contained setting where they can detox and be 330 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:03.240 safe while they detalk and then start the process. Because the healing journey, 331 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.240 especially from drug addiction, is an absolute process, and you have to kind 332 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:08.400 of work a model here in some way, shape or form, and you 333 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.519 have to kind of move through the phases of that program, whatever that program 334 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.559 is. But I think trying to treat people on the outpatient level and jumping 335 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.880 all of the money and the resources into that is not effective. We need 336 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.759 more beds, we need more treatment centers, and we need people in treatment 337 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:30.440 for longer periods of time. Okay, my question is this, We're going 338 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:37.960 to find people to treat for treatments when we don't have enough good psychologists psychiatrists 339 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:42.079 to go around? Tell me that one, we can't, we don't have 340 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.319 that. Where's the money going to come from? For hold on, where's 341 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:52.480 the money coming from for beds? Who we donate? But where's the government 342 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.839 opening up facilities? We don't have mental hospitals anymore. Remember, we don't 343 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:02.079 have facilities anymore. So if you have a lot of money, sure you 344 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:06.279 can send your kids to the best. And what does long term treatment mean? 345 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:07.799 What does that mean? What does that look like to you? Thirty 346 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.240 days, sixty days, ninety days, six months, what is it? 347 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:17.279 No, the research says anybody that receives treatment under three months has a significantly 348 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:21.440 higher rate of relapse and not getting better. It's got to be a minimum 349 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.279 of three months. But I like long, I mean, and hey, 350 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.039 this is coming from somebody that never went to rehab. I mean, so 351 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.759 I'm not even saying like I'm saying you can do it my way too. 352 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:32.400 It's a lot harder. But I think if we just look at still like 353 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.920 a bigger perspective and just like, what's going to help the most people long 354 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.000 term care? I mean, you need to get displaced out of your area, 355 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.640 your geographical area. You need to change to start the process. And 356 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.720 I really think people need to go minimum of thirty days away to another place 357 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.559 outside of the area that they're familiar with. And honestly, if they've been 358 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.359 in this rat race over and over with ongoing relapses, I'm talking like, 359 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.319 you need to give up a year of your life the way it is right 360 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.960 now and go to treatment for a year straight up, Like I'm a proponent 361 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:10.359 of the year model, and then a phase down process after that. Okay, 362 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.599 Maggott, do you know the numbers to send somebody away for a year. 363 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:18.960 It's an average of how much your months today in a half decent facility. 364 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.880 Astronomical, it's astronomical. The top tier, like some of the best 365 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.240 treatment centers are about thirty to forty grand a month. So yeah, you're 366 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.960 talking a lot of money if we don't have the support of the government or 367 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:37.160 funding to make this happen for people. Yeah, okay, So where's mom 368 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.400 and Dad's going to get that thirty thousand dollars a month every month for a 369 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.119 year to send their young adult off, whether eighteen, nineteen, twenty fifteen, 370 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.279 sixteen, twenty five, thirty. You're not going to quit on them, 371 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.319 right, You don't quit in your children. So what do people do? 372 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.079 We're talking we're talking flying unicorns and you know, pink pigs running around 373 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.279 like this a dream? This where parents are going to get the money? 374 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.319 What? Take it out on credit card, take more debt, take a 375 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.279 second home to save child's life. Okay, that's great. For parents that 376 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.640 can do that. But if you have no resources to do that, then 377 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:12.799 we do you get the money? What did you where to put the person 378 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.440 and they got to want to go by the way and they got to want 379 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.319 to be clean by the way. Yeah, absolute, one hundred percent, 380 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.519 that's number one. I think you can. You can obviously find your way 381 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:27.000 through public health treatment for facilities. But I think to your question highlights the 382 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:33.039 bigger issue, which is it's not fair to put the problem on the parents 383 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.480 to try to figure out this is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed 384 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.960 from the top down. And I can get deeper into this conversation. I 385 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.839 will tell you though, at the core of it, people like me go 386 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.319 to training to do this kind of work to then get paid peanuts and oh, 387 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.640 you know, hundreds of thousand dollars in student loans by the time we're 388 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.240 done. So it's a totally upside down model. There's no incentives for workforce 389 00:26:53.279 --> 00:27:00.039 development to build an infrastructure that allows and attracts more professionals to come to the 390 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.319 field because it's a high burnout rate, low pay, high stress patients that 391 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.079 aren't getting better. You mix that all up and people aren't going to want 392 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.440 to do that work, and if they do, they're only doing it large 393 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.200 in part because there's some incentive like money, so then they'll work at the 394 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.480 high end facilities. But this needs to be a complete change right down from 395 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:19.079 the people that we're training to do the work. I mean, that is 396 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.720 a huge piece of this issue. And until we're willing to take a look 397 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.359 at the training that's going on in these schools and the costs and what these 398 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:32.519 schools charge for these degrees, we're probably really not going to make much of 399 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:37.400 a vent unless the government can relocate resources and really start making this a priority 400 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.559 and put some money towards this to open up facilities. Okay, and think 401 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:47.359 about this. Every hour, every day, there's some mom and dad in 402 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.759 a crisis right now with your child, or their husband, there's significant other 403 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:56.000 whatever, right their boyfriend, whatever, somebody that they love that they're going 404 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.119 to get them help right now, within an hour, not three days, 405 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.359 not six days, right away. It's either get them help right away, 406 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.599 or they're going to lose their lives right there's no especially if you get that 407 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.799 person in a vulnerable moment that you can get them in and see that they're 408 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:17.680 falling to their knees, right, but there's no place to go. So 409 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.160 what does the average person do. What does the average mother do out there 410 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.400 that doesn't make a strong living, right, She just has a job. 411 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.799 He has a job. The father they want to get their son and daughter 412 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.240 into a program today, not tomorrow. What you call those one eight hundred 413 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.240 numbers. I've done that many times for many of my guys that have worked 414 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.160 for me over the last thirty five years in construction. And you know, 415 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.079 drugs have been a rampant, you know, in the unions in construction for 416 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.359 many, many decades. With that being said, I've done that. I've 417 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:53.160 sat on those one eight hundred lines and it comes right down to, well, 418 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.880 you know, we could send them to Texas or Arizona or whatever, 419 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.279 and yeah, how much is that? Okay, it's gonna be twenty thousand 420 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.359 plus air fair plus a Right. What does the mother or father do that's 421 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:10.200 right now in danger in your opinion of losing a child. They're gonna go 422 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.559 out tonight and they're gonna get whacked and you're never gonna see your kid again. 423 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.200 They're gonna go out and get high. They're gonna go out and drink 424 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.559 and make a bad decision, and what's going to be is going to be. 425 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.519 Is that how we live what's going to be is going to be? 426 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.920 And the like gives me the chillis to even think about that because it's so 427 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:33.640 difficult to navigate this process. Part of the work that I do sometimes even 428 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.160 still is stuff to support parents through the navigation process of treatment placement. First 429 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.000 thing to do, though, make sure your house is stocked with narcan. 430 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.440 Please God, please, anybody that's listening to this, please fill your house 431 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.079 with as much knarcan as you can possibly get. Hold that thought, Hold 432 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.279 that thought, Hold that thought, hold that thought. I'm coming right back. 433 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:53.519 I'm sitting stuf. When you listen, Top his Nails and be busy 434 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.680 and as ready your ten thirty, It'll be right back. Sponsored by new 435 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.680 Brook Realty Group, Boston Wood Smaller Insurance, Old Auto Body and Tosca Drive 436 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:21.279 Auto Body Can and Welcome back to Temp Hiss Nails on WBZ News veryre ten 437 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.000 thirty and I'm Cindy and we're here with Meghan Kennedy. We're talking about the 438 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.359 opioid crisis, the fatanyl crisis, and everything else to do with drug addiction. 439 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:32.759 Megan pick It up what we say now, first number one thing parents 440 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.160 can do is stock their house with as much narcan as they can possibly get. 441 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.079 You can get it at your pharmacy, you can call up your local 442 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.319 free harm reduction mobile groups and the town that you're in if you do have 443 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.480 them, especially in the city, you'll probably have them and get as many 444 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.759 doses as you can get because the fence and all that people are overdosing from 445 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.720 right now requires many doses of narcan to reverse it. So to be helpless 446 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:57.839 in that situation where you have a child that just used in your house or 447 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.480 came home high and then falls to the ground and is now starting to turn 448 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.160 blue, and now you have to pick up the phone and called nine to 449 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.960 one one and wait for that ambulance to come and hope and pray to God 450 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.400 that there's enough time for that child to survive while you're waiting for that ambulance 451 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:17.359 to get there. Who if they know it's a drug related overdose. I'm 452 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:18.480 telling you right now, they're going to take their sweet time getting there. 453 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.440 I will promise you that. So please know that you have some power to 454 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.480 do something even while you're waiting for that ambulance, which is to start administering 455 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.680 the narcant, go and get trained on how to use it. Also at 456 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.119 a harm reduction coalition or facility or program near you. That's number one. 457 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.319 Number two, though, the easiest solution to get the ball rolling is to 458 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.279 bring them to the emergency room. It is a broken system. You're still 459 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.200 going to have to do a ton of work to find your way through it. 460 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.279 That's assuming the person actually wants to continue and go to treatment. But 461 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.880 the number one place to land is the emergency room, and from there you 462 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.240 can start to navigate the treatment system. But that's sort of like ground zero, 463 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.319 and that's been my experience in my work working in the emergency room, 464 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.920 helping people get into substance use treatment or mental health treatment from the emergency room. 465 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.079 A lot of politics involved with that too. A lot of times you 466 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.319 only get kind of heard if you're coming from an emergency room as a patient. 467 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.359 You try to sort of make a cold call, and they're going to 468 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:16.440 tell you large in part, they have no beds unless you have the money 469 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:22.240 to pay, So it's a dirty, dark system. But my advice is 470 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.160 to always go to the emergency room, call nine, run one, have 471 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.680 your narcan, and then if it's not an acute emergency, go to the 472 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:37.240 websites like the like NAMMY National Alliance on Mental Illness or the federal SAMSA Program 473 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.799 Substance Abuse Mental Health Initiative. They will be able to direct you to resources 474 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.359 in your local community for mental health and drug addiction. But if you're in 475 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:47.720 an emergency and you're in a crisis, best thing you can do is have 476 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:53.480 that knock in and then get them to the emergency room. Now, what 477 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.279 about friends, Like when they go, oh, you're let's say you know 478 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.880 your kid has seven A friends, I find that one or two friends will 479 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.039 keep them in their pocketbook, will keep a dose a shot of us in 480 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:09.359 their pocketbooks. Are they recommending to friends that don't drink heavy, that don't 481 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:14.720 drink, don't drink, that don't do drugs. I'm sorry to be the 482 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.839 savior of other people, like be the designated driver, you know, like 483 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.920 we have the designated driver when we were young. Now it's you know, 484 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:25.000 save your life, have your friend's life. Excuse me my throat? Yep? 485 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.720 Are we trying to push that onto other kids? Are they bringing these 486 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.480 into the bar rooms and the nightclubs? They have the stuff, you know, 487 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.440 what's interesting. I just heard recently about a college and I forget what 488 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.240 state it was in, but they just bought their funding and put the program 489 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.680 in place where they now have like first aid kits. And I had advocated 490 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.880 for this actually at my college, but so to finally see it happening is 491 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.160 awesome. First aid kids in the building that have knock hand in them. 492 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.279 So you don't even have to be like the designated driver of the friend group, 493 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:59.480 because even if you're even if you are an active drug user and those 494 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.240 are your friends, all active homeless drug users. The advice is for all 495 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.839 everybody to be carrying the knocan, whether you're a user or not, because 496 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.280 if someone who you're with needs it, you can still administer it. So 497 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:15.119 it should be carried by everybody if you're going out, especially if you're going 498 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.119 out and partying and you're not like a group of heroin or fentanyl users and 499 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.519 your recreational drug users coke a little here and there or a pill here and 500 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.960 there, or alcohol. Yeah, of course, of course carry it with 501 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.320 you, have it on your person, have it in the car, and 502 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.519 have multiple doses. I mean I use when I was in Massachusets, I 503 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.280 carried mine with me twenty four to seven, and I'm a doctoral student in 504 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.840 a psychology program in which I'm carrying it with me in the walls of that 505 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:44.280 school because you just never known. And I've told the story before, but 506 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.079 a friend of mine did die who was in school to be a psychologist. 507 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.639 He didn't die in the building, but he had just finished the master's part 508 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.719 of his program and he relapsed on fentanyl and died. And he was five 509 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.079 years as well, five years clean from heroin. So this can happen anywhere. 510 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.800 It can happen with anybody, and the best thing we can do is 511 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.000 try to be as prepared as possible and try. I tried to attack this 512 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.960 issue from many different angles, and one angle is to put the power back 513 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.159 into the people's hands, give them the knock in and educate them on how 514 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:15.400 to use it. Megan, here's my question. I never saw a business 515 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.159 death. This is crazy. Drug dealers want to kill their clients off, 516 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.440 Like, what's what's up? Like, why wouldn't you make sure what your 517 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:28.320 selling is clean? You're going to lose your clientele. Who what kind of 518 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.920 businessman wants to lose that clientele? Make me understand that so this is a 519 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.679 this is a great question. You know where I got my answer to that 520 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.159 question on an episode of Dope. There's a DOCKU series, I believe on 521 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:43.960 Netflix in which they interviewed the drug dealers that was punted down. I don't 522 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.280 think it was I don't know if it was Dope Sick. I remember maybe 523 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.559 it could have been a different station. It was called Dope. So you 524 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.760 go through it and you listen to these interviews with these people who are actually 525 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.119 selling the drugs. Hardcore fentanel dealer in the streets of Baltimore. I think 526 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:58.159 I was in Chicago and his faces blurred out, and you know what he 527 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:02.000 said when they asked him, why, what's the incentive for you to kill 528 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.920 your clientele? And he said, these people want to die. So I'm 529 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.760 helping bring I'm helping to bring them as close to that high as humanly possible, 530 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.840 and I'm giving them what they want, which is that they actually want 531 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.719 to die. Now I don't know that he meant it literally, but what 532 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:21.280 he did mean is that these people want to get as high as possible, 533 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.519 and I'm going to give them what it takes to get there. Sentinel is 534 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:30.119 a really delicate substance. You basically have to be an anesthesiologist to know or 535 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.159 a chemist to know the different doses on what's deadly and what's not. So 536 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.639 I think the point is that they're not intentionally killing their clientele, but they 537 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.320 are bringing them as close to death as humanly possible, which equates to addiction 538 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.719 the deepest level, which equates to as much money as humanly possible. Because 539 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.599 now that person's coming back tenfold. And so I think that was the essence, 540 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.400 and I think that's the answer. How close to death can I bring 541 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.199 them? That's the high they want, and that's the high I'm going to 542 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:58.360 give them. And I made a mistake when I mixed the batch up because 543 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.079 I'm not a chemist, and I put too much and then that person died. 544 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:02.719 And then it's like, well, oh well, because now the word 545 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:06.960 gets out that my stuff's really strong, and now my clientele just increased tenfold 546 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.480 because the word got out that somebody died off of my product. It's a 547 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:15.920 sick system and this is how it operates. Okay, question I have another 548 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:22.519 question? Is I'm told that you can buy something to check your coke or 549 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.639 check your or whatever to make sure there's no fetanyl in it? Is that 550 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:29.960 true? That is true? And what do you buy this called? It's 551 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.360 a company called dance Safe, and you can purchase a kit. And with 552 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.320 every kit to test like cocaine or MDMA, they actually send you a free 553 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:43.920 fentanyl testing strip to make sure that you're actually that you actually have the drug 554 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:49.760 panel that's going to test to the fentanyl. And you have to go online 555 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.480 and get this and pay for this stuff called dan safe. Yes, yep, 556 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.039 And it's a kit now, and then I don't ask your own drugs. 557 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.039 You do, But I don't know how you test a drug that's a 558 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.800 pill, frankly, because if even if you broke off a little piece of 559 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.360 the pill, dissolved it in water and did the test, there's no way 560 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.840 to guarantee that that little piece is reflective of what's in that entire pill, 561 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.519 because it may not have been mixed evenly if it was made in somebody's freaking 562 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.599 bathtub or pill pressed in someone's basement. Exactly, Oh my point exactly. 563 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.000 I don't I don't know the answer to that, you know, I'd have 564 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.119 to do a little bit more research into that, but somebody could research that. 565 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.280 Look it I grew up in a generation. People went out, they 566 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.119 did a little coqu here they did you know, no one went crazy. 567 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.079 But the end, if we knew that we're gonna do that line of coke 568 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.039 with my friends were gonna do a line of coke and they were going to 569 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.920 die at eighteen seventeen nineteen, I don't think anybody would have been doing it 570 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.199 because you didn't die of cocaine in nineteen, you know, eighty years, 571 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.800 you know, nineteen eighty eighty one, a seventy nine, seventy eight leg. 572 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.400 But now you're taking the risk every time. You gotta tell your kid, 573 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.679 look, you're playing Russi Roulette here. Yeah, but she's basically saying 574 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.880 that people know that they're going to they could one hundred percent and it makes 575 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:04.079 and want it more. No, that's for addicts, not the kid that 576 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.079 goes out and there's with twenty guys or twenty people and they all decide they're 577 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.079 going to do something stupid that night. Get some coke, which is really 578 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:15.239 the most unexperienced drug. You know, those type of drug use, they 579 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.480 have no idea where to get their stuff. They just get it and then 580 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.800 they do a bump of coke and boom. That's it. They're down for 581 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:28.199 the count. You know, at least had core drug addicts nowhere to go 582 00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.719 to get there they drugs. You know what I mean. You're talking about 583 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.280 a bunch of goofy kids that are out one night in a nightclub partying. 584 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.320 Right, That's what we did. It was called we went out and just 585 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.440 partied. Right. Now, this is we have two different types of kids. 586 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:44.800 Kids that go out and just go party, fun time, party time, 587 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.000 right, and they come home. You don't ever see a child again 588 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.119 from one bad mistake. And then you got another group of kids and young 589 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.960 adults and adults that literally do this every day and this is their life. 590 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.800 Either way, it doesn't matter. We're losing people, right, We're losing 591 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.360 kids, We're losing young adults and people in their you know, little forties. 592 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.960 If you're still doing drugs at fifty, I don't know what to tell 593 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.760 you, like, just hang it up. I don't know, there's no 594 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:15.119 answer for that anymore. Let's go to break question. I don't I don't 595 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.199 mean to not sound empathetic, but you're gonna go to break here. I'm 596 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:39.039 Sidy's company lists Tapas Nails on WBZ News Radio ten and welcome back to Tapa's 597 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:44.119 Nails on w b Z News Radar tenth thirty And I'm Cindy and I'm here 598 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.519 with Megan Kenny. Megie. Not to sound on apathetic, but if you're 599 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:52.000 still doing drugs in your fifties and sixties, you've made that choice right. 600 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.960 Like, I'm worried about the kids today. That's where I'm worried about it. 601 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.159 I'm worried about kids. I need kids to get straight. I need 602 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.119 parents to stop worrying about their kids. Is this subway somebody can reach you 603 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.400 to help out with any of this? Yeah, absolutely you can reach out. 604 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.320 Go to Third Realmintegration dot com, send me an email info at Third 605 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:15.000 Realm Integration dot com and in fact, go to de EA dot com slash 606 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.480 Sentinel Awareness. There are tips on there for parents on how to monitor your 607 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:23.719 kids and their online conversation is very important. It's a great everybody, have 608 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.480 a great, safe weekend and get your knocking in your pocketbooks.