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Hope for Today's show with your host
Louise Boobron Macaluso. Hi, everyone,

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Welcome to Hope for Today. Welcome, Welcome. It's like, uh,

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today is Willie awesome as usual?
I have some amazing guests with me.

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Um to my left is miss none
other than my lady Cruz. Hi,

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guys, I am so blessed and
honored to to kind of be here with

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you and sharing this space and your
show. I love to join your show

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all the time that I can.
Oh my goodness, it's always fun.

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And more importantly, I feel that
your show, like the title Hope for

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Today, brings a lot of hope
for people. So I'm just honored to

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be a part of that. Oh
my goodness, it's always so much fun.

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Yes, it's like the topic today
is just like just on point about

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hope because I think we need that. But first, in the four of

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us, we want to introduce.
Our second guest is Crystal Wallace High.

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Crystal, thank you so much again
for having me. Yeah, so,

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you know, I didn't want to
let you go. I was like,

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you know what, let's do a
panel and talk about this topic that is

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so important, And the topic is
about fixing the divisive atmosphere that we are

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we've been having for the past I
don't know when, and it feels like

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it's been amplifying. Yes, I
think after covid Um things got a lot

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more amplified, that divisiveness, that
that kind of I don't know that atmosphere

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and energy of we have more than
two sides here, right, um.

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And I think that politics haven't helped, you know, it's kind of contribute

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to us feeling more divided. There's
a lot there's a lot of arms to

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this topic. Yes, and it's
so important. It's so good that you

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mention politics because I think like that
that is like one of the main factors

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that have started it then, especially
in the recent years, where families have

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like you know, become a stringed
as a result of politics because of different

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views, which is really sad,
right, it is really sad and unfortunately,

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um, you know, And keeping
with that, it's like there used

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to be a time when you can
disagree politically. First of all, we

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didn't even talk about politics in this
country for a while. I was like,

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you know, you don't know who's
what, and but now it's like,

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oh, well what are you?
Which side are you? And then

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you know, um and then actually
have that some sort of discrimination because of

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which side of the poll you're on. Yeah. Yeah, there's a very

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heavy polarity that we're seeing right now, to the point where you see a

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lot of people unfriending, you know, people that they have been knowing for

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a very long time, just because
they are this party or that party.

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Right, this frame of mind or
that frame of mind. When did we

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get to the point where we can't
have a conversation even if we have opposite

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you know, mindset to frame of
thinking. Yes, exactly, learn to

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coexist and you know, just agree
to disagree on certain things and there's nothing

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wrong with that. Yes. And
I know one of my friends who said

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that like almost a childhood's friend.
You know, they've known each other for

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their almost their whole lives, and
because of politics, the end of like

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you know, they their friendship is
broken. Now you no longer speak to

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each other. It's communication, Okay, that's what I think. My thought

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is, we have all these mediums
for communicating, but we don't know how

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to communicate. If I have a
problem with you, I'm not going to

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come to you and talk to you
like an adult. I'm going to post

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about it, right, and throw
subliminal messages on social media rather than coming

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to the person directly. What on
earth? Like why it's immaturity right?

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Exactly? The irony of social media, social right, social rights. It's

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just something that has to be addressed
because it's a trickled down to the younger,

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like the kids, the teenagers,
you know, and it's like,

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you know, I mean, do
we have to like take a minute,

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you know, pause and just be
Okay, something has to be done because

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like we live, do we let
that to fester? You know, where

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are we gonna eat like ten years
from them? Oh that's a great question,

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and that brings about an even bigger
question when you are looking at the

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global kind of atmosphere that we have
right now, where the United States is

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a declining power and the China,
for example, is increasing power. So

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if we do not do something about
the unity of the United States, let's

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say, the world is going to
suffer because the United States have always,

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you know, for a very long
time, not always, but for a

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very long time been the power that
has held a lot of the democratic ideas

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right around the world, and it
looked up to But if we have a

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power like China take over, that's
not going to be so democratic, right,

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So we kind of need to wake
up. It's more of the just

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affecting us. It's a global issue, right, and the fact that we

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cannot communicate the fact that even if
we have very similar idea years and if

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it varies, just to tap it. Oh, you are a Christian,

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but you're you know whatever, Christian
and I'm this Christian. I mean,

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we're all humans at the end of
the day. And the beauty of differences

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and diversity is that it brings you
different ways to solve problems, creative ways

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to solve problems, right, Yeah, exactly. And you know that's a

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good point because like we can learn
from each other absolutely, you know.

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And so if we like, uh, just choose to just state in our

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little corners, oh, I'm just
like dealing with like this group, you

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know, because they have the same
views as me, you know, the

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same political views or you know,
religious views. So I mean seriously,

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we're just like, you know,
closing up on a like all little world.

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Yeah yeah, and it has to
come from our religious leaders as well.

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I mean we you know, in
my opinion, you know a lot

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of you know, the people who
have the influence. You know, it's

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not going to come from the politicians. Got to come from those religious leaders

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to say, you know, hey, let's put this aside. You know,

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at the end of the day,
you know, it doesn't matter what

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the person believes, whether they don't
believe, whether they agree or disagree,

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it has to be we have to
be united, you know, and it

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can't just be. It has to
be on both sides, you know what

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I'm saying. I can put that
to the side. But at the end

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of the day, it's because we
know that what we believe shapes our behavior,

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and I can't say anything differently,
you know. And so it's like,

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well, if you believe this,
then you must do X, you

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know, and you make these certain
assumptions about folks because we know that what

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you do or what you believe is, you know, directly connect so what

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you be here, you know that, and so you must do this.

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But that doesn't necessarily be I mean, that's the case. I might agree

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with certain things that certain someone does, but I don't agree with everything,

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right, yeah, exactly, you
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that is just so uncomfortable to see
where people in terms of like politics,

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if you identify with like a group
or you know, it's like you have

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to like agree with everything that person, the leader of that group does.

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Like that's like ridiculous. Like I
mean, like I may identify as,

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like, you know, with a
group, but the leader of that group,

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I'm not gonna agree with every single
thing that person does, you know,

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because like I'm not a chief,
you know, like following you know,

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in politics, that's even it is
a big issue. I've been around

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politics for for some time, not
in but around politics, right, and

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I know how it works. And
unfortunately, for example, you identify yourself

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as Democratic and you, for some
reason are seen taking a picture with the

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Republican. Oh that's like you trader, you know, And I think that's

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a maturity. Like for um,
That's why after some time, I don't

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consider myself to be either Democrat or
Republican. I'm a human when I'm when

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I'm asking what, yeah, what's
your party, I'm a human. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm a human Because at
the end of the day, there's

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things to change in a and there's
things to change and be right because that's

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what they want you to They want
you to pick a side It's like,

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I don't have to pick a side, right you If you want to pick

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a side, you can. I
don't have to. But at the end

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of the day, you know,
it's with with politics and with these things

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that we are discussing here, we
have to understand that it's about humanity,

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like yes, um is you know, about being good humans to each other,

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you know, and it doesn't matter
what side wrong. You know,

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if you're in need, you're in
need, absolutely. And what I believe

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has also contributed to this kind of
culture of you know, dividing and segregating

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is the algorithms of these social media
platforms because they show you only what you

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like, only what you want to
hear. Right when you click like on

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something, that will show you everything
that's related to that, everything that is

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only about that. So all of
a sudden, these kids, these young

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generations, and not only kids,
by the way, these older folks.

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Everyone humanity is now okay, I
I only want to see this. How

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about the other side? Oh no, they're wrong. I'm right. First

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of all, there's no such thing
as complete right or wrong. I mean,

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if you because yes, and I'm
so glad you said that, I

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would just say my glasses off because
you were making such a good point.

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I love that. You know,
if you you don't want to idolize yeah

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person, because that person is now
an idol if you agree with every single

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thing. There's no one in my
life I agree, and I don't want

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people don't agree one hundred percent with
me either. You know. I like

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when I that. I like,
I don't enjoy it, but I like

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when someone can tell me the truth
and pull my coattail, you know,

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not all the time, not disrespectfully, not rude or not in front of

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people, but I like that when
someone gets say that, Crystal, you

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know, what you said was kind
of messed up. What you did was

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kind of messed up. If you
can't say that about someone you support,

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is that person an idol? Right? Right, That's a great point.

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Just like when somebody can tell you
playing point, like something that you did.

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You know that you said, Crystal, It's like it helps you to

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grow, you know how as a
human. You know. And so the

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fact that a lot of the times, like you just we've been seeing that

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especially recently, where you know,
a leader becomes like a faultless writing where

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you know they could do like the
most vile things, and then they would

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be like and then people would defend
them like death, and then they like

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comparing I'm like, I don't even
want to name any names. Or they

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would compare an individual who did something
like horrific, you know, very vile,

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and then they comparing them to Jesus. I was like, how dare

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I'm like, really, you have
a lot of nerves to compare someone who

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did something wrong. And then you're
saying like you know, oh like they

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just like, you know, you
know, doing what they did to Jesus.

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I mean, seriously, get a
grip. Or they assume, they

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make assumption that you support this person. Everyone supports this person because they are

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x right. You know. It's
like, you know, no, none

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of its supposed the right, Like
it could be another reason, but they

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we don't want to learn why people, you know, support who they support.

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We don't want to learn. All
we want to do is stereotype them

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and make assumptions and then run with
that. Whatever assumptions we have in our

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head, it's now a reality.
Yeah, and then we roll with that,

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and that is causing disunity as you're
talking, yeah, and then like

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you know, and that's motivated also
by like you know their own like whatever

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it is that their motives are,
you know, whether you know their political

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goals you know, so yeah,
and they all have an agenda. And

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then so it's like somebody has to
be the the um the scape goals,

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right, you know, and then
it goes from there. Yeah, this

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this cancel culture that we're also living
in. Oh my god, yes,

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don't get me started, right.
You know, that's another thing when you

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have a human being. For example, I know so many people that are

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content creators that I personally follow that
focus on creating motivational, inspirational, amazing

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content. Right, But you have
these other individuals that focus on creating content

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that is important, but they're in
the forefront of these these heart debates,

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you know. And these are people
that get the brunt of a lot of

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rocks thrown at them because they're talking
about difficult topics, right, Um,

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and they say one thing, they
have a whole recording of an hour they'd

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separate one middle section. Yeah,
take things out of content to crucify,

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and they crucify. I'm like,
are you serious? This person is going

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to lose a hole? For example, Um, what's his name? Joe

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Rogan He's an example that was gonna
lose an entire um contract that he had

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for millions of dollars. Yes,
he did something wrong, he said the

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N word, right, Yes,
but look at the man's complete history,

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right, look at the context of
what he's doing. And yes, he

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made a mistake, and he publicly
you know, you know, like I

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said, I'm sorry, but don't
we all make mistakes? Yeah, And

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I do believe that, like,
just like Crystal said to if you,

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if you're myself, for somebody to
be able to say, yeah, that

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was wrong, right, you'll russ
the line. Right. I believe in,

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like, you know, being able
to just like, uh, resolve

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things as opposed to just like cancel
someone all absolutely, And it's all the

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context in which and how you say
and why you say things, and how

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you utilize things. You can't completely
take something out of context and change the

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narrative. Right. That's happening a
lot today where people say something and it's

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taken out of context, you know, um, and we can't even feel

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like we could express ourselves in a
way that makes sense for us or whatever

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it is, because it's going to
be changed for something else or to you

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know, the agreement of another party. So that's another issue with this,

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you know, you know, with
the society that we're living in that we

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have to constantly be feel like we
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Yeah, you know it's well,
what I will say is, you know,

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nicknames, to stay away from him. Absolutely. I don't know what

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his reason was, motivation. I
don't care, Sam. Absolutely, I'm

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not absolutely to cancel soul, but
I'm just saying to stay away from them.

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This. You don't call anybody out
the day, Yeah, absolutely,

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you know, absolutely, you know
I say, look, I don't know,

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I'm not. All I'm saying is
just stay away from him. Just

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avoid him at all. Pause,
right, and not even pillow talk.

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Right, But if you want to
do it, dude, in a couple

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of your own pillow, but not
in front of bolts, don't just don't

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do it. Absolutely absolutely, And
that's when you come across people that,

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Okay, you made the mistake,
you openly said, I apologize, I'm

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sorry. You don't do it again, okay, right, right, we

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all we can all kind of extend
that benefit of the doubt. Right now.

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If you do it again, that's
a different story. But we need

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to get into the culture of not
crucifying people because they make one mistake.

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That's my point behind that we need
to start getting into the habit of you

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need to look at your own kind
of you know, dirt in your eye

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before you start pointing, because those
fingers are three of them are pointing back

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at you. Yeah. Right,
And that applies to like relationships as well,

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you know, absolutely, it's not
just like you know, in the

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public setting, but in relationships,
you know, because like people we love

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sometimes they do stuff that are you
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okay, I need a manner to
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you know, And that's why I
said not even in pillow talk, stay

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away from it, even in pillow
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is gonna spill over in public.
I'm just thinking that what I mean,

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I'm just thinking, like, you
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you're absolutely right, for sure,
you know, it should be eliminated,

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you know completely. I'm just thinking, don't do it in public, right,

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don't do it right, just right, way from it. As it

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concerns nicknames, just stay away from
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the thing too, especially you know
when you can when you have words that

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were used to belittle and yes,
be great and hurt and any other vile

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words, any evil thing you could
think of, but the words was used

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for that, just stay away from
it, right, don't use it.

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Just don't use it. You're gonna
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knowledge, dude, Like you know, ignorance, because like if you go

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into like you know, researching,
you know where that word when it's like

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the the the heavyweight that that word
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you know, um, you would
be like, oh no, there's

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no way I could say that because
like you know, the pain that came

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with that word or for that community, you know, you you would be

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respectful. And that's another thing to
keep in mind. In order for you

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to be in the space to create
unity, you need to be mindful of

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the things that are offensive for different
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every culture, there's a word that
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culture. For Hispanics, they have
a word for this, they have a

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word for that, they have a
word. You know, ignorant people,

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right, ignorant people that create these
these words that are degrading, right,

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So we need to be mindful of
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the of the language that we use
when we communicate, so we can create

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a culture of unity, definitely,
because like you know, even um,

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when I was doing my doctors,
you know, they had us take a

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course on multiculturalism where we learned that, like you know, and for fighting

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therapy, certain things. Not everything
means the same to every everybody, So

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you have to learn about like each
culture, you know, even like body

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language because like certain cultures, you
know, um, if you're talking to

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them, they're not going to look
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that's a sign of disrespect if they
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then like in the meantime here,
you know, you have to look at

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the first and in the eye when
you're speaking with them, otherwise they think

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you are lying, or you're being
disrespectful or not things all right, you

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know, you see those opposite right, mindset of the same thing of the

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same. Actually, So in the
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to coexist, I think we need
to learn about each other. Yeah,

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we do need to learn about each
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things. I do think that it's
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principle to every single culture if you
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know, it's so there are some
like I said, what we know for

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sure, nicknames don't don't do it, don't even do it. Um But

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the thing like I know, like
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you know, I meant so many
different people. And there are some cultures

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that I know not to go up
to the man to talk, right,

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I know that he would much rather
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in some cultures I know not to
shake their hands, you know, and

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they will remind me when they do
like this, So I'll go to reach

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and you know, and I'll you
know, but I've learned that in certain

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cultures I know what to do and
when. Like it's talk about body language

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for sure, you know, even
as a simple greeting, you know,

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I want to keep my hands on
myself just hey, hey, how do

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you talk? I give a very
warm all day listen you hey. Yeah,

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that's interesting. And and you're saying
that what came to mind is also

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not taking things so personal, yes, because some people would have felt offended

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that they would have extended a hand
and there was no other hand to greet,

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right, So understanding that this means
I'm greeting you, but because of

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a certain belief I have, then
you not taking that personal And it gave

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me a moment of learning, you
know where you're like, oh, you

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know, I have to find out
like if that culture, you know,

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whether they're their customs, you know, they need not shake hands, and

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you get to I just like I
mean like google people, you know google

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that. Um what So this this
is a question for for both of you.

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What do you guys think that needs
to happen in order to open and

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make the playing feel kind of nice
and even and balance and more neutral.

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Well, I mean I think,
like, you know, the basis of

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things, it's like us not seeing
each other as equal that has created that

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huge barrier. Yeah, and I
think like we have to start there because

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like if we were to come together
as one, like little kids like they

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don't see color, they would like
just like you know, they any kids

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like you know, they would play
with them and like, oh my gosh.

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The other day I saw a video
and it cracked me up. Two

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kids, they were like five,
you know, one white one black and

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then like, you know, the
white one said, Mommy, I have

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a twin. He looks exactly like
me. Yes, it's like they don't

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they It's a learned thing, racism
and to learn behavior and so like,

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if we were to be able to
see things from my kids' perspective in that

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sense where we don't see someone or
measure them based on how they look,

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you know, the color of their
skin, their ethnicity, I think that

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will be a huge step forward and
achieving unity. Yeah, and I would

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have started you of course, would
start with the thought because you're it all

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starts with the mind, all thought
with the mind, how you perceive them.

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I would even had gone there.
I was like, you had to

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communicate more, but yeah, the
perception. Definitely, we have to communicate

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more with each other. We have
a let's see, we haven't learned how

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to do that. And a lot
of us haven't learned how to do that

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because we weren't taught that at home. You know, we didn't learn to

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talk about things. We yelled it
out, you know, or you couldn't

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talk about things. You better be
quiet before I fell in the blank.

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So we haven't learned to unlearn dysfunctional
bad behavior. It has been so ingrained

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in us, you know, where
now it just comes out so where I'm

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not gonna talk to Susie because she
said something I didn't like. I'm not

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gonna talk to her anymore. I'm
just gonna avoid her for the rest of

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my life, because that's the way
that we do. We we avoid stuff,

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you know, but rather you know, hey, what's a better way

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for me to salvage a relationship?
Oh and that's one other thing. That's

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the other thing that we see so
often on social media and it makes me

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sick to my stomach when they talk
about I see so many posts talking about,

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you know, dismissing people. You
know. Oh, you know,

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this year, I'm peace and this
and that and listen, I'm all for

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peace, all for peace. There's
some people that you just should not be,

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you know, entangled with. However, have you tried to talk?

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Did you come to the table right
before? You're just a smiss people?

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Right, just go on and talk, have a conversation, right, you

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know, it might have been just
a slight under misunderstanding. Absolutely, you

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know that's that my you know,
my thought initially would be too communicate better

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and learn how to communicate, you
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You know, don't hit below the
belt by saying certain things that you know

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that would get a rise out of
the person. Yeah, hey, that's

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why you went to bed until you
were thirteen? Like why would you say

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that? And it just starts with
the thought that's like, you know,

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their perception of the person. Yeah, it gives them like, you know,

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makes them feel like they have the
right to do that. Absolutely,

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And this hip was critical, I
think too, because at the end of

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the day, you know, if
you are over here saying this person deserves,

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let's say, to be counseled,
that this person deserves to be you

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know, completely segregated because of this
or whatever it is, then how about

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when you make a mistake when it's
your turn, should we segregate you?

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You're right, she should we stone
you? Right? Right? So,

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um, at the end of the
day, we need to understand that we

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are all humans. You know,
we all have flaws, we all have

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things that we need to work on, we all have things that we can

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learn from each other. Nobody knows
everything. You could be very skilled at

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one particular area, but all the
other areas are like, oh, you

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need some album. So let's learn
from each other's diversity and differences. Right,

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Let's be open to have a conversation, even if I disagree with you,

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that's the point. Let's have some
curiosity. M I wonder, I

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really disagree with what she's saying and
how she views things, but I wonder

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how she came about that that conclusion. Let me see, let me just

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hop you know what I mean.
You hit the nail on the head.

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You hit the nail on the head. You you went from what to why?

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And that isn't the thing that we
don't do. We don't ask why,

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you know, we know what?
Why? Right? Why do you

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think what you do? We don't
take the time to take time. We

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don't like that. Yeah, we
don't do it. Yeah, that's really

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real and it's just like something we
definitely that conversation. We could go on

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and on about it because it's just
like so much um to say about it.

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So I think we're gonna have like
a part two part two. Guys,

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we are just getting started, like
because like we um we mentioned uh

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like how we think and like you
know, better communication, but we want

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to go into details. How do
we go about like you know, start

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rethinking our old ways of thinking and
start like you know, rethinking our ways,

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our communication styles, reprogramming, right
yeah yeah, and psychology we call

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it cognitive reframing. Oh yeah,
so that is something we definitely have to

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continue that conversation, so we we
we definitely will be back to continue that

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conversation. Conversation. That's been fun, yes, isn't it. I mean

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seriously, we could talk like all
day, the three of us because like,

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uh, I think the three of
us week like so well yeah definitely,

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yeah, So thank you so much
ladies for being here, Thank you

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for me, Thank you so much. Fun. I wish I could have

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you guys every every Sunday. You
know, it's like so much fun to

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be able to discuss because like those
are important topics that need to be um

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addressed. Yeah, you know,
ka is like we are going on a

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time downward spiral and it starts with
talking. Yeah. Absolutely, yes,

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definitely, So thank you so much, Crystal, and thank you our lady.

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See you guys next time for part
two, Yes, part two two

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man, guys, and I'm yeah, how's doctor Louise Bobron Macaluso. We'll

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see you next time. Bye,
Hope for today's show with your host Louise Boobron Macaluso