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you. Please come back. I feel like shit the pride of please come
back the Cleveland Browns. First, someone asked, Mike, how are you
doing. I'm good. It's been busy. It's been a weird, weird
day in the industry. I've been busy, you know, a lot of
work stuff, doing some fun stuff with Giant Bomb, we U, some
of the extracurricular gay Mess stuff. We just recorded our discussion on Starfield.
So that was today. So that was you know, that went well,
uh yeah, you know, right before this, to give myself some sustenance,
I had some booberry and bourbon and so yeah, I'm feeling energized.
I think that's all the nutrients a growing man needs. Right, Oh yeah,
absolutely. If you were doing doing anything more than that, you would
throw off at delicate ballots of your body's ecosystems. We can't have that.
I think that's the best cereal shape, by the way, of all the
cereal shapes. Is that little ghost in the Halloween the Spooky cereals a lot?
Yeah, I'm on a real Lucky Charms kick again Lucky Charms. Yeah,
it's something good. Yeah. But I mean, like when I say
shape, I mean like so like not Marshmallows, but just like this normal
serial. Absolutely, yeah, I mean I I'm with you on that.
Booberry is a great cereal. I like a lot. Remember when the remember
when like some of the marshmalls were new back to day, they had commercials
for that, Yes, like the rain those were new. I remember.
You think they still do because I don't want to really like anymore. Do
you think they advertised that to kids these days? Man? That was like
half the commercials are serious. Kids probably aren't watching any commercials because, like
you know, I asked my nieces and nephews, like, do you kids
like watch Nickelodeon still? And They're like, I don't like Nicolae, I
hate Nickelodeon. It's like that was not an option when I was no I
could have even fathom having that opinion as a kid. It was not even
Yeah, it was impossible. I hate water. What do you mean exactly?
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Night's fantast is fine. We had somebody just come up to us during packs
saying I could beat you money, all right, so someone from the industry,
to be clear, and now we can't have just all y'all coming up
and somebody, Yeah they're working, they work in PR. But yeah,
I'm excited to try. We're gonna say no, but yes you can still
try. Yes, this is someone that works a PR job. And it
was very fun to be like, oh yeah you do listen, that's great
and uh, I kind of That's why I think a good place for Gamester
Jeopardy to be where it's like all these people for me industry thinking like no,
I'm I'm better than these guys, and then coming to the harsh reality
they're definitely not absolutely sorry, you're fucking idiot, Okay, all right,
sorry, yeah, this isn't you get talking today? I'm like, oh,
and during giant On, I stopped looking at check because it was the
shrap I was listening that. Yes, absolutely, but this is different,
incredible. Un My uncle would start singing that old brown song whenever the Browns
were awful. It was the funniest thing. They throw an interception that.
I just hear my uncle at the corner you come the bread out. I
wish the Lions had a song like that. All right, So let's see
here I got. I got a bunch of news. In fact, there's
a lot of news. There's a lot of news, you know what,
we say a lot. There are several big stories that are happening today and
yesterday, kind of clogging up everything that's happening. Obviously, Let's start with
our boy, our sweet our sweet baby girl, Jim Ryan leaving PlayStation,
Hierokee Tatoke, who is basically everything. It's a very fun thing to say.
I'm probably saying it ron, but Rooke Totoke is taking over in the
interim from Jim Ryan. Once Jim Ryan steps down, I think officially in
March and in October, Erokee Toatoke is going to be a chairman to kind
of be in that transitioning, transitionary period. The stated reason from Jim Ryan
is that he wants to spend more time with this family, which is all
of Europe. He likes Europe just better than he likes you, and he's
going back home to his family in Europe. So uh yeah, it's hard
to you know, whenever this stuff like this happens, it always feels like
there's more story, but this one feels like. All of these PlayStation chiefs
do the job for about five years. They do for about five years.
This one's four years. It'll probably be closer to five actually out longer than
that. Geez yeah, I know. Well, I mean Joe Jim Ryan
was he's been there for thirty years at Sony, right, and his name
was popping up for a very long time because like the stuff where they're like
who would want to play this? That was long before he was CEO of
of That was back when he was just the head of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe,
back when it was s CEE. So he's been around fully to read
for a very long time. But his job where he took over from I
guess Sean Layden technically might have a different job title because they really shifted things
around a lot, But basically he took over from Sean Leyden that was just
four four and a half years ago something like that. He's overseeing a lot
of growth. He set up the PlayStation five. The PlayStation five is going
to be a massive success. It's on its way to surpassing the PlayStation four.
It's it's like, basically it's caught up in terms of month to month
sales and by the end it's probably gonna outperform even that console. What else
can you want from someone trying to sell PlayStations. He's done a good job,
and yet I don't know, what do you think is his legacy?
I think that is the legacy is going to be the place five, and
I think kind of cementing the style of what a PlayStation exclusive looks like,
right, Jeff, These very big triple games, often third person action games,
that kind of the prestige TV of console games. Right, without a
doubt, Yes, I think that's he that was already happening, it's happening
even more now under Jim Ryan. And then he's also establishing this, Hey,
we're going to spend more money on that, but we're also going to
spend even more money on live service. Do we see this as our potential,
our potential for growth going forward and we're it's I kind of a little
bummed out that we're not gonna be able to see that actually happen under Jim
Ryan. Jim Ryan will be gone by the time most of like the vast
majority of those games are vying for space in the market. Well, and
that's gonna be It's interesting because we'll talk about a little bit later, but
it seems like live service show some cracks in the armor lately. Right this
kind of cure all and all be all goal for gaming, right it was?
It was clearly we were in a honeymoon period there for a little bit
where it's like these games could be produced for a little bit less money up
front and maybe have a potential to make a lot more money down the line.
I mean, these days you kind of can't get a live service game
off, especially if you're Sony. You can't get one off the ground unless
you are spending a ton of money. It's probably not two hundred million dollars
like some of those Sony first party big blockbusters, but it's not significantly less
than that. I mean, maybe it's one hundred million. But still like
they're they're willing to make those investments because if one of them does hit and
you get a Fortnite like success. But is there any sense that it's possible
to have a Fortnite like success with a New Life Fortnite like success these days?
Right? Yeah? I mean well, I mean, I mean apparently
Fortnite is still growing and that's not stopping them from doing their ship. We'll
get to all that soon. I will miss Jim Ryan. On a personal
note, for sure, you've felt you've had a thing. You've had a
thing with Jim, right, I've had I say right now, I've never
understood I ever got the joke. I politely nodded and laughed for four years.
But I'm still I'm sorry. I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you,
at least I appreciate your understanding. Yeah, it's he's like the perfect
target. He is. He is so successful and has done almost nothing but
good things for PlayStation and yet something about him is just big, goofy and
stupid, and so it's all punching up, and yet it's also kind of
easy target stuff. So it's it's it's fun and I legitimately, legitimately will
miss him, and I legitimately think that he's fun for the industry because yeah,
a numbers guy, a business guy kind of coming in and running a
video game company and doing it well, that's not necessarily something that you would
think looking from the outside in that would be possible, or maybe looking from
the inside in where it's like we all look around like, hey, you
got to be someone who has a passion for this stuff. I don't believe
Jim Ryan has a passion for video games, and yet that didn't stop him
from being probably one of the most successful executives in the history of video games.
So I think that alone is really kind of cool. And again,
it makes him this untouchable in some ways. And I don't think, like,
you know, I treat about him all the time. I bet he
doesn't have any idea who I am, wouldn't care what has it's it's just
like he's just doing his job, and I like that. I think that's
cool. I think people will remember, you know, some of the gaffs
like whatever saying I can't remember what what was the cat thing? Or he
talked about his cats where it's like, oh, I think they were like
talking about like Sony wasn't supporting something with abortion rights or something like that,
and he's like his letter to employees was like, in these times, I
like to think about my cats. Yeah you're not you're not super good at
this, but don't do don't do this thing. But I don't think anyone
ever thought he was good at those things, so it's not not too surprising.
Where does place they should go from here? I guess it's a tough
question to answer, But do you have any thoughts? Yeah, I just
wonder where the next CEO is going to come from. This company's spencil us
centric. It feels like for a bit you kind of imagine there. I
guess that's the question, if our thing's really gonna change, do we suddenly
expect to see, you know, a lot of these kind of Japanese franchises
return all of a sudden. Probably not. I think that they have a
blueprint over at Sony. I guess, you know, the big thing up
in the air, is what is going on with all these live service investments
that we've been hearing so much about was so far like it's been a big
failure over there because the factions with Last of Us isn't panning out. Yes,
so that's not working so and then otherwise it's it's kind of hard to
parcel that. Yeah, it's I think they're in a kind of a weird
reload period for a lot of these games. I think you even look at
God of War, I think the next God of War will still be very
successful, but you might see some diminishing returns as possible. And like,
I don't think Horizon has like another like five or six games in it where
it's always growing. It's like that they're gonna have to take a change or
not without changing things up and doing more new stuff, and that'll be expensive.
So they have a lot of very successful franchises, but the path forward
is not obvious. It's not without a lot of work. And I think
that maybe now if i'm if I'm Jim Ryan, I'm looking at a potential
exit ramp. This one makes sense now makes sense. Sure, the PS
four was an unmitigated success and unmitigated. Like just triumph. The PlayStation five
feels a little bit like a victory lap and now you don't have to worry
about figuring out the like transitioning into the next generation of what PlayStation is going
to be, which the company is definitely trying to figure out. They are
trying to feel that out, and like it, We'll get some of these
other companies. Figuring out what you're going to do to build on success is
not obvious. It's not easy. Everyone strolls with it, and you know,
I think, you know, I think Sonny could be running to the
problems that Microsoft has had in recent years. There they kind of had it
this year. They're gonna have some late years in terms of actual big first
party exclusive pleases, right because these games are getting cheaper, they're not getting
faster than make Yeah, and you're just gonna they have times where you're gonna
have years where you're just not gonna have very much. And you know,
we're there's going to be ramifications of that. Any other thoughts about Jim Ryan,
Mike, No, we'll miss him. We'll get him on the show
sometime. Everybody. He said, honestly, he's been going to get on
the show, but we don't like having guests. But this is a special
case occasion. Now there's a lot of else to talk about. We'll move
on for now. Epic Games is cutting almost nine hundred jobs, or six
sixteen percent of its workforce due to financial difficulties. The layoffs effect employees across
all departments, including Epics Super Awesome arm, which is like their in house
pr stuff. They're also divesting in music marketplace band Camp, which means they're
selling it off to someone else. Epic CEO Tim Sweeney sending a memo to
staff that the company has been spending more money than it earned for a while
and after that, who's been doing that? It's happen trillion percent tim Sweeney's
fault. You can't even there's no argument there, there's no going back and
forth. All of that spending is tim Sweeney's crusades, his many crusades.
We'll get into it, but he's the layoffs are necessary to stabilize its finances.
The layoffs are the latest example of widespreader down to the sea across the
industry. Some of the things that that Tim Sweeney pointed to was the metaverse
not being a great investment. Oh yeah, really, no fucking shit,
what oh my fuck god, all these assholes with the metaverse, it was
it was what we thought it was, Jeff, I'm sure it's what we
thought it was. It's you have all the money in the world, and
and and I get wanting to find the next thing. You're on a winning
strick, you're on you've got a hot hand, you're doing a heat check,
and you read fucking William Gibson when you were a goddamn teenager and college
or some bullshit. And now you have the chance to make it real because
you have one of the biggest engines in the world and all that stuff they
talk about where interoperability that's going to be the problem with the metaverse, Well,
and everyone's going unreal. First of all, we get all the money,
and interoperability might not be an issue. It fucking still will be one.
It would be a problem. But guess what, no one wants to
play nice, no one wants to share. The metaverse was never going to
work. And the fact that you needed to spend a ton of money to
find out that you couldn't turn Fortnite into roadblocks come on. Well, and
then in this thing, they complain that like, oh, yeah, too
many Fortnite players are playing the creation stuff now and we don't make as much
money from that. It's like, what did you think about that? Was
there any thought that this could happen? Because how do you make money in
Fortnite selling skins? Are you going to sell as many skins to people like
running around and doing YouTube poop in your game? No? I don't know
what the fun they do in there, right, And it's the whole thing
with the creation, and the creation is powerful enough that people can do whatever
they want in there, and people at a certain point arena be like,
well I'm just gonna go mess around with that stuff and I don't need to
buy anything to do that. And you know, how does it work?
At Roadblocks is a lot. I mean Roadblocks has been going since two thousand
and six, That's how it works. It's just got this ingrained culture of
people of kids understanding how this economy works and getting in on it. And
there's a lot of problems with that, sure, But trying to take your
game and say this is going to be be a roadblocks is I will be
surprised if it ever works in the history of mankind, because it's just it's
you. You have to people have to invest in your idea on a fundamental
level of like, this is the kind of thing I could spend a lot
of time with and spend a lot of time and then spend money in,
and it has to kind of start young. And Fortnite players are like,
no, I came here to hang out with my friends, and yeah,
there's all this fun, creative stuff, but like, I am just kind
of doing that too far around and maybe put it on YouTube or watch someone
else play it. It's not the idea of spending money in. It is
just not this natural thing. There are other issues. I mean obviously they
are that they've spent years trying to take down Steam and it's it was never
going to go anywhere. No Beau again, it's never enough. It's not
enough that you made the biggest game in the world out of a game that
was nothing. It was absolutely nothing. You were able to turn that you're
able to turn ship to gold in the most amazing, unpredictable, one in
a million chance. Ever, it's not enough. It's like, well,
now we can take on Steam, We're going to pay ridiculous sums of money
to get epic game Store exclusive because we can just make our own steam with
bubblegum polish and you know, buy gun galig energy. So that didn't work.
Then you you know, you have your epic crusade against all Apple where
you make your fucking cartoons and merch store for it. What the actual and
try to try to weaponize your audience with hashtag free Fortnite. What the Yeah,
it's just it's just all it's just baffling, And it's baffling because this
isn't it isn't a public company, Like, why do you even why do
you have to care? Why can't you just look out for your own it
is? It doesn't have a lot of tensent mice. So I guess there
could be pressure from Tenson at the regard of you have to just say my
understanding doesn't really work that way. They usually are not in there saying we
need exponential growth. Especially he's just personally upset that the grossbusch is he would
like, so we'll just fire almost a thousand people. A thousand people.
How do you sleep at night? Yeah, it's it all goes to Sweeney
because it's all these are literally just you could tell he feels slighted or he
got a bug up his ass about one of these things. Anything. It
wants to be a Bill Gates. He wants to be like he wants he
wants to be a game nuel, right, he doesn't just want to be
a game developer. And it's the truth is is he's gaming step Dad.
He's always been gaming step Dad in there being like I'm gonna got you all
these presents? Won't you like me? And it's and I don't know,
every situation he's in, he kind of feels that pressure to to make change,
and it's I don't know, if it doesn't backfire, it at least
just waste a lot of money, because I don't think most people aren't paying
attention to these things that Epic's dealing. It's just money down the toilet.
He just bought band camp. Yes, they also bought a mall, and
apparently they're not gonna be able to get into that mall until twenty twenty five,
so they must have a construction cruise in there working on that thing for
several years. Why did they buy a mall that's gonna be their new offices?
They're new offices. They're a good new campus they're really in right now.
Yep, exactly, that's good. Ye. People love going to the
office. Yep, I bought a fucking mall. I don't know I did
it. Epic buy Harmonics like also a couple of years. Yes, they
own Harmonics. They still do. Yes. Apparently every department got hit,
so Harmonics probably got hit as well, because well we know the Fall guys
guys got hit pretty hard. Not so much that they got dissolved though that
was a rumbor, but pretty hard, which that sucks. You can't spell
you can't spell decimation without media Tonic. So did you see that that they
took the sign and moved it around to spell decimation. It's like, oh
my god, that's devastating, because hey, Fall guys a successful game,
Cecil game, it's a great game. Like what is it? What else
does that need to do? What else do you need Fall guys to do?
I mean, because it's not going to grow forever? Of course it's
not. I just it's just insane. It's baffling. What is the Because
we had this, we've heard that apex legend has been seen some problems.
Do you think that this is some larger indictment on Well Big Life Service Forever
Games. Yeah, I think it's I think it's like you said, the
cure all, it's not. I think it's companies view it as a cure
cure all because it is the current cure to what has ailed them before,
which is they don't have consistent revenue, or they didn't have consistent revenue.
They didn't have they would have. It was high Tide, Low Tide.
We put out a game, pre orders would come in and we make a
lot of money, and then we'd be we wouldn't have a game for a
year, and we have to wait till the next one came out, and
then then we'd have high Tide again. So then they have the live service
stuff. They're like, well, live service stuff very predictable. We can
look at we understand player behavior, and we know we're gonna have about this
money amount of money coming in as long as we have about this amount of
players, and it's like that's pretty nice to have. But when a game
it gets super successful, you can look up, we're getting in way more
money than we know what to do with. We gotta use that money,
we gotta grow with that money. And so you have to start making bets,
and those bets, you know, they don't pay off right away,
so you gotta put even more money and even more money into it, and
even more money into it, and even more money into it. And then
suddenly it's it's five or six years later, and you are on the other
side of Apex Legends success. You're on the other side of Fortnite's even Fortnite
successful. They said, Fortnite still growing. I'm sure it is. They
said it's not growing as fast, but it's still growing. That's that's fine.
But I guarantee they can see a potential fork down the road where it
probably doesn't pop back up the way it did before, and it could very
easily just continue tailing off and trailing off, and then in what do they
do. So it's like they are kind of looking down the barrel of that
and trying to make decisions now to deal with that, and they've already made
made a bunch of decisions based on this idea that they are going to have
infinite money coming in forever, and clearly that's changing. So do you think
do you think a lot of these games have had a tough year because there
have been so many like good new video games to play. You think that's
why specific Yeah, there's there's so much time in the world, right,
yeah, like yeah, and that's like people always say, like, hey,
live service games, there's only so much time for live service games.
There's only so much time for everything, Like everything, everything competes with everything.
I don't known that hermione time spinner, huh exactly. Yeah, And
I think that a lot of these companies got it got in their head like,
hey, growth is happening through the pandemic, and a lot of that
stuff will carry over, and a lot of it did carry over, just
not all of it. All of it didn't carry over. Of course.
It's like, oh, we're down ten percent from the highs of the pandemic,
so it's not bad. That's way up from before the pandemic, right,
And they're like everything's I'm sucking on fire because we're down ten percent,
So what the fuck did you? How do you not plan for rainy days?
How do you not store acorns? And it's like the truth is these
companies, even if they're not publicly traded, can't store acorns. They got
to spend the money because they have money needs to work for them. So
it's it's a bad system. It's what we got, and it's going to
keep leading the situations like this where volatility in the industry and the people who
will pay for Tim Sweeney's fucking crusades are a thousand people whose names we don't
know, but who actually did all the work. So it's gonna keep happening.
And I feel bad for the developers, And anytime they want to come
out and tell us about what it's like in these places, I'll be listening.
So yeah, it's fucking insane. Uh. Meanwhile, Hyaenas was canceled.
Sega was working on a live service game Creative Creative Assembly was this was
going to be a live service shooter. It's been in testing, a bunch
of people have been playing it. It is canceled, and it sounds like
Creative Assembly is also going to be having layoffs because of this cancelation. All
right, let's let's get let's get Yes, we understand it's funny for us
personally because of our weird history with because we are weirdos, because we thought
it wasn't Etcho the Dolphin game. But this is obviously bad. This is
terrible. Creativesembly has been a fantastic team that's made a lot of good games.
Somebody put them on this direction, and now they're like, oh,
this is a bad idea. Well somebody should put them on this direction.
You know what happened, It was, hey, how do you get your
game green light? How do you get how do we get a bigger budget
for our stuff? Well, if you go there with a live service game,
the executives are going to be into that. That's the buzzword. And
then fucking two years later, three years later, the buzzwords are changed and
that the executives are now scared of live service games because everyone's closing theirs.
And again, whose fault is that? Not the developers that they were doing
what they needed to do, what you wanted them to do, and now
what you want is different. And again who's getting punished? The people doing
the work? It is Uh, it's infuriating. I honestly, I wish
for me. I always think like this is a bad system. The idea
of like having another system doesn't seem like it's even on the table. Is
a better word world possible? I don't know. Ideally, I like the
idea of more public funding A Canada has a lot of public funding. I
think America would be a lot better off if we had a greater sort of
investment of the arts. Just give people money to make art of any kind
and then they don't worry about the product profit motive at that point, Uh,
does that seemed likely to happen? Fuck? No, So I'm gonna
keep complaining about it. Obviously criticism is worthy, but I don't know many
great solutions, Mike, No, No, that's it seems. It seems
devastating because again, it's just a ton of the ton of talented people who
are just basically being punished because they didn't chase a trend at the right time
they're supposed to chase a trend, even though it would it probably really matters
for the success of their game. They just didn't get to even release it.
I mean, how do you how do you possibly go so much from
like, yeah, we're going to completely win eighty what you normally do too,
We're not even going to launch that. That's how little faith we have
crea badly did you misread what was going on? Right? And it's like,
how do you not put a game in the best position to succeed?
Because I think we all looked at a hyenas early on and be like that
doesn't seem great, right, Like how why is it that we can just
see ten seconds of that be like, well, that's a bad idea,
Like how can we get it? I'm noboddy. I'm wearing a fucking free
Sega Genesis shirt that I got, an E three I got an I got
a NASA shirt. I don't know how we're you know, old the rocketeers.
No one cares about that ship. Why should I know better? I
shouldn't. It's it's it's I mean, I think that is the theme of
this week is that the higher ups definitely don't know any better. They in
fact, most of the time it's much worse how they view view things in
terms of their understanding of what works and what doesn't. They have more access
to information, more access to analytics, access to uh like metrics to tell
people say, this is what people are thinking, is how they feel,
and yet it doesn't seem make any difference. A creative assembly a successful studio
for years and years since the nineteen eighties total war out during the lean years
of Sega, when after Sega acquired them and Sega fuck it had nothing,
just trash, just fucking trash from Sega. Creative Assembly carried that publisher on
its back with awesome PC games. They want that studio on a couple others.
Making good PC games is what kept Sega going. And they have one
Day one coming out, like this month, they have Total War Pharaoh coming
out. It's probably gonna do well. They it's gonna be but it's gonna
be awesome because Egypt doesn't creates my fantasy critics. So but man, yeah,
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how many hits you have, you
make, you have your one misstep or whatever whoever, or you exist in
an environment where like the missteps are scarier than they were a little bit ago,
and this like, you know, this one din't even really get a
chance to be a misstep. Obviously, obviously it is. You look at
it, I feel it is. I get why they say it is,
but it didn't really get a chance to prove itself one way or the other.
And that's different. That's a different environment than were in a couple of
years ago. This game definitely would have came out a couple of years ago.
It might even had a chance to like improve over time though they're not
doing that with these games anymore. So, yeah, obviously Live Service is
kind of having a bit of a reckoning, and I think that's going to
scare a lot of publishers and be like, and what do we do?
Because because what this all comes it all goes back to that Phil Spencer email
about what's wrong with big publishers and the hit rate. This is a hit
driven business and no company really has a better batting average than any other.
Really, there's a couple that like, spend the money and time to get
there. There's a couple from software is a couple of CAPCOMs right now,
but not not time exactly. And for a lot of most of the other
publishers, their hit rates are just as about as good as any random developers.
So Live Service mitigated that a little bit. It was a lot of
ticket to someone in chat was saying, so, well, we'll see kind
of how they what the next big thing they chase after is, but bring
back lute boxes. Let's fucking go mind implant the hell not? At this
point, Uh, Sony was hacked? Uh they well, people claim Sony
was hacked. Sony says they're investigating. Uh I don't know the last time
this happened, so Sony's PSM went off for a very long time. They
don't seem as concerned this time around, So I wonder if they're like,
no, the only things they could have access, the only like data they
could have guys, make maybe some email addresses. I doubt it's credit card
information, but I guess we'll find out here pretty soon. Well, what
if the hacker, like if like found found like some some gym right secrets
and it was like, if you don't resign have been running. That's there
out of my head where it's like, oh, that's definitely what happened here.
It's like Sean Layden hacked PlayStation and made him look bad. That's what
happened. Bring him back, got his revenge. Okay, any of the
past PlayStation bosses or anyone like else the company. What's that? Yeah,
Jack, which is running around with the fucking gold roles and she's talking to
people and be like, yeah, dog, fucking playtation Jack Tretton's great,
So I wanted that's his answer. What's your answer? Cast back? I
want my rich race. Of all of them, cast Rice seems like the
least likely. Yeah, three. Guy, everybody come up. I would
love cast right back. God, that was that was a golden era of
great memes. We have to watch because they like what they did, like
the HD version of that. We got to watch that whole problem. Absolutely
we had got a big time for that. And then I think for me,
I probably I would like to see Andrew House back. I really liked
Andrew House. Uh yeah, I just I love seeing this little British man
speaking perfect Japanese. It's always fun to see that. Uh all right.
F zero ninety nine is getting five new tracks. Probably it's gonna maybe happen
during the show. I guess we'll see if it happened right before. Actually,
oh I did, they're up? Yeah, that's what I wrote here.
F zero ninety nine tracks probably during the show is literally the headline I
wrote here. So, uh, that's gonna have Red Canyon one, Mute
City to port Town one, white Land two. Uh white Land two?
Right? Is that not right? It's just a yeah, that's a funny
name. Oh sure, I'm sorry, I just read that white Lad two.
It's actually Ohio two fine, death Win two as well, So there,
yea. I don't know about Death Win one. Uh, hey,
Jeff, that's game rules. That's exciting. It's really fun. I had
a great time doing F zero to Hero. That was there were some great
races we got in the same match every time. You guys didn't see it
on giant On, Jeff and I competed in a kind of a little gauntlets
on zero ninety nine. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, no
spoilers, but it goes down to the wire. So definitely been watched that,
Yes, absolutely so. I had a really good time with that.
And guess what more tracks sounds good to me? These are the Queen the
Queen League tracks we have most most have been playing the Night League tracks up
to this point. These will be the que League tracks. That doesn't ply
Kinglake and tracks will be coming eventually, and they definitely will. They definitely
will. I don't know if like more tracks is what I needed, but
I'm not complaining. It's definitely not a problem for it. I mean it's
it's a little fun like right now, like to still be optimizing these other
tracks. But like, even like I don't play all the time, even
I feel pretty good on a lot of them. In some ways. I
mean, there's some people who can get first place like almost you know,
they can flip a coin, so some people really have them optimized compared to
us. But still I'll take new stuff, sure, Mike. That does
it for the news. Spectros way more tracks for people to vote against because
they want mute City. Wrong, man, who's gonna win Mute City won
a mute City too. It's anybody's game, all right. Yeah, that
does it for the news. If you guys have anything you want to talk
about, you can sit into the super chat speak to which we'll get to
that right after this break and we're back, Mike. We have a bunch
of super chats. Why don't you read those for me? Well, the
first one here is from our friend Punished Big. Jim Bo Ryan says,
Now, this isn't because I couldn't stop Xbox from getting APK or me getting
Sony hacks while looking for free v books online. I reflect on my actions.
He then came back and said, being punished because I couldn't let go
of next three, nor should you have. Jim You did the right thing.
History is on your side, jim Ryan, Big Punished Jimbo Ryan.
Thank you as always, Jimbo Ryan, for listening to the show. We
will love you and We're gonna miss you. It's incredible that there was a
knack too. When you think about it live here, we could play that.
Finally, Nus probably tried that one time for SHO should do that.
We should We were talking about like the extra life stuff. Let's consider that.
Let's maybe do something. I like her on that. Ricky tasas Hi,
Jeff, and Mike. I just started a new job after moving to
a new state. I wanted to share some love and appreciation your way.
A long time listener, look forward to the shows every week. Thank you,
Thank you so much, Ricky. I hope everything's going well with all
the new stuff going on with your life. That's very exciting. Thank you
so much. Sleepy Dad says The Last Spell is one of the best games
this year. More people should check it out. Jim would love it great,
Tiles, I don't have a time on switch at PC. Yeah,
it's just I was like, I'm just like even thinking about the games.
I want to catch up on Jeff like bowlders Gate three, and then I'm
thinking about all the ship that's coming out next month. I don't already have
codes for It's insane. It's messed up. It's like three codes this week
that I have. There's probably more out there. And then it's like,
I thank god, I'm starting to finish some games. Like that's nice,
that's like helping a little bit. God. I hated Cyberpunk. That game
is actually boring as hell. I was like getting kind of like ready for
bed last night everybody, and and I'm just like, you know, it's
Wednesday night. I don't have any responsibilities. I can kind of take a
little bit easy. And then in our group group DM on Discord, I
just see Cyberpunk is boring as shit or what it cracked up, assumed it
for three hours and like almost lost my mind towards the end. I bet
Jim Ryan is leaving PlayStation to switch over at a w Hopefully we'll see him
in the ring here soon. Yeah, I'll show up with Edge for because
as who had done that meme, Jim Ryan is all elite. Yeah,
it will be different. He's like like, what's his real names? His
ring name? What's his real name? Uh oh, Greg says, I
know that Jeff is sad that Jim Ryan, the man who literally burst Jeff
from his loins, is retiring but at least lions are murdering the packers.
They're fucking just shows. It's twenty seven to three. We all, we
all need to keep up. Arioto Goto says, I love finding new and
independent journalists whenever they premiere their first live podcast, smiley face. You think
Remedy is in danger of any kind at Epic? Oh my god, Epic
goes Remedy. Uh. I don't think they own Remedy, but Remedy is
in a publishing deal with them, and I don't think that they're in any
real trouble. I think that, like listen as, I think Remedy is
about to be doing pretty well because it seems like everyone's real high on Allen
way too more than I think any of us would have thought in January this
year, right, and as as messed up as things that are at Epic
in terms of wasting a ton of like endless money, to have endless money
and then suddenly not have endless money, Like how does that happen? Well,
we talked about it. Epic is not embracer group where even if they
have successful games, they're in trouble. It's like, no, the successful
games will make an impact Jeremy g says, brand new Lions. It's very
different. I was not ever going to expect this. I'm very happy with
me for you. Thank you, and then punished Big Jimbo RAN's back says,
it's okay if you're sad. Just no. There's a part of me
in all of you, the part that believes in having superficial fights over boxes
that can play. Thank you, mister Ryan. Thank you, Jim Ryan.
I survived the Console Wars when you did too, and that makes his
brothers. J D Camp says, will you be watching the Toy Story football
game? I just learned about this. I get too. I think during
this football game, I glanced up and they had like foot like Thursday Night
football in the Toy Story funt and I'm like, what the fuck is going
on? I don't I guess I don't know what that means. Mike.
I think they're using aar to make it look like all the toys are watching.
It's gonna be on like I don't know what it's gonna be on the
Disney Channel. What can I kind of that sounds fucking awesome. Well,
here's my question, Jeff. We see some horrific injuries already this season.
But if what happens in the fucking Toy Story game, you know, you
know Nickelodeon are shows football, they put the slime over it and stop.
It's like, I mean, I mean, we know what ct CTE great
kids. I mean, it's incredible because we know why. It is just
because like young people weren't getting into football is watching. We'll put it on
Nickelodeon. Yeah, twenty story on their throats. Yes exactly. I'm just
mad because if if this was like ten years earlier, we may have gotten
the Shrek game, which would have been sad, would have been I would
have I wish I could have watched it and told told my children and grandchildren
about it. Bob as Me says as a somewhat frustrated Vikings fan, Let's
go Lions. It's question, okay, Jeff, this is a question for
you. You got pay attention. Here's I'm trying to finish up my PC
build AMD seventy nine hundred xt x versus forty eighty for fourteen forty gaming twenty
forty two hundred forty hurts hurts as like as eighteen mean oh led leading at
video due to ray tracing DSS. Yeah, listen, AMDs, g am
d's GPUs are great. They are great, and they're they're very price competitive,
and they have many very good features. But DS is magic. DLSS
is magic, and especially with frame and if you're trying to go for a
high frame rates, that's something you can only get on the four thousand series
and videos. And if you're getting a four thousand series, you're gonna get
the LSS three point five. And sure, that's one game right now,
but the way that it's looking in that game, I expected to be in
a lot more games and we are. We are now past the point where
you can just do an apples to apples comparison where it's like, hey,
this does great with rasterized graphics. This does great with rasterized graphics. It's
been over for a while, but now it's super duper kind of like you
can't make decisions based on that anymore. You can't look at bar graphs to
be like this is better than that. It's gonna come down to the subjective,
how do these games look when you're using all the software features. I
I listen, if you are cost conscious, go with AMD. If you
have the ability to go with Nvidia. I recommend going with video far anymore
either, though, Like I haven't checked the price on these two recently,
but they're close in price. Yeah, I definitely go. Yeah, and
it's gonna get FSR three like next year, early next year. And that
ship looks kind of promise him. Yes it does. It's it looks very
promising. It's gonna use to to temporal information as well. I can't remember,
but it's gonna be very close to gails A three. Yes, but
it's it's they're still gonna be behind on a lot of stuff before you lose.
Mike, answer, is the video? It is? It is?
Connor Wood says, so did you try x F Extreme Formula demo? You
did download this, jef Right, I did try to demo. I think
it's actually pretty good. I like Mike's right, I'm pretty harsh on these
ones. It is not quite fzero GX, but it's it's surprisingly close,
especially for a game that doesn't seem like it's it's quite done yet. So,
I mean, I think it feels good to play. I told you
I get to play, but it's so hard with these because if you capture
that gameplay perfectly, you're really only halfway there because so much of the fun
of it is the F zero stuff, but you just can't really do it.
Is yeah, like that I don't know that intangible F zero noss or
something. It is tangible. It's literally the setting, in the characters,
in the music. One of my favorite things is when people are like,
if this wasn't a Mario game, wouldn't get such high review because of course,
it's like, maybe it helps. It's a Mario game, Mario,
it was cool. It's fun that it's a Mario game. It is a
Mario game. What are we supposed to do with this information that you made
up in your head? It's nothing. Texels and Thoughts says, think you
can fill that mall office when cutting head count they get up, maybe they'll
open up a hot topic in there. He seems like a Spencer's Gifts kind
of guy. Actually, like, oh yeah, he goes, he goes
in the back and the last that they have dildos still ye, Rogers o
Gesa's live service isn't a cure all so much as a lottery ticket. Are
you likely to win? No? But if you do, you never have
to work another day in your life. Man, there's a lot of old
people. I know Jeffy still love getting those lottery tickets. And I've just
never boughten like I scratch off like i'll get for gifts. Yeah, I've
never boughten like the lottery things like No, I'm not gonna win that.
I think steff han't got and get to the Powerball when it was like one
of the first times it was up to a billion or whatever, and that
was years and years ago, and I don't I gave it to her and
I never checked. I'm I'm kinda listen. I like the idea of winning
and lottery, I'm not I don't like it so much. I'm gonna go
fuck into the gas station and buy a ticket. No, like my mom
used used to be like sometimes like well, like when my mom was going
through a rough patch, she'd be like, oh, if we they can
win the lottery, I could be like, oh, no, I can't
think like that. I don't know, like it's like I don't think that's
healthy. Yep uh, Doctor butt Hugger says, as Jason Schreierson his last
book, The Exects, who went all in on mobile gaming in twenty twelve
twenty fifteen, and bankrupted. Numerous studios are still in but yeah, that's
right, road remember that, Remember when everybody had their own because everybody's gonna
make their own Candy Crush, right and playing still, Jeff, Yeah,
let's think like the charts. It's oh, candy Crush from twenty twelve.
Yeah, I guess what came out yesterday? Fucking counter Strike too. Yeah,
the idea that you could spot success and mimic it. I guess it
works if your epic one time with Fortnite. All the other times it doesn't
work. Uh, Pixels and thoughts back saying, fantasy booking, who would
be in the Sony Sea level hot tub? Soccer? Who? Okay,
who would be in the Sony Sea level hot tub? Sucker? Well,
I'm listening. I think shoe Hey Yoshida is throwing the party. I think
Herman Holst is in there. Uh, I don't know, and everyone else
is kind of like lucky to be there. It's those two guys as I
agree. What about Mark st Mark's tarn to get to be there? Mark
Serny is invited, but he knows they don't really want him to. I
don't know why, because he's worried about the ear things things weird? Is
it he weird to people who tell him that he likes that they like Marble
man, Yes, he's been weird to people who are like, I like
Marble. Could get over yourself made Marble, Mike, you know, I'm
sorry. We don't like Nack as much. You're not Taylor Swift where they
have a billionaire things that you say, Uh, Artie Bick says, I
appreciate so much when you all call out these awful layoffs in the system that
sentivizes it in non certain terms. Keep up the great work, Thank you,
Bick. Would it be weird if we're like this is good? Yeah,
yeah, I'll say, like Mike, I do listen to some other
like YouTube podcasts. There's like different genre of gaming podcasts. Obviously, there's
like the Old Guard that like, we're just RSS feeds. A lot of
them are on on YouTube these days, and what they talk about is just
let's argue about the console wars constantly, and that's what that's all they are.
Every week they talk, they complain, and they argue about game Pass.
Every single week they argue about game Pass. It's every episode, and
so it's that is what you get. From a lot of other shows,
and it's like, I mean, yeah, you know, sometimes we're not
gonna be as like, ah, hey, welcome to the place where we're
going to always be argued about everything. We might agree on a lot,
but like you, we're gonna be We're gonna call these ship heads out because
we could spot it, because we doing it for long enough. I can't
believe this is the state of sacred symbols these days. Uh, that sounds
like that this one is not them. I'll say that. I'm gonna ask
you later. I got absolutely next one is Krouchy Boomer. Hated Zoomer says,
a man can dream that we will someday gets to tell of You F
zero tracks and F zero ninety nine. Oh, that would rule, Mike.
It's a good idea. I was thinking I was going ped earlier today
and I was just having random thoughts and I'm like, I'm I don't think
I ever got over the sixty four d D never coming out here, Like
obviously said, Tell of You wasn't gonna come here, and the Nintendo Nintendo
Disc Drive wasn't gonna come here. But the sixty four d D I was
so tapped in on this and like magazines were promising it to me and then
it never coming out here. I was just like I was looking for it
was going to fix all d N sixty four problems, you know. You
know, I wasn't much of a N sixty four guy, so I didn't
get that much. But I never got to the fact that I couldn't that,
Like, my cable providers never got SAG a channel, so I just
never Saga channel for a long time. I just wasn't able to play Beget
Man, Wiley Warsons like stuff like that. That's right, Jesus, yeah,
yeah, but other things. I fixed that, so I'm okay now.
Don Nic Malta talking about your AMD versus and Video thing says it's one
hundred percent based on the games you want to play. Hey, by the
way, what happens in video's offices get raided or not? I heard that
going around. I don't know. I got like I heard that someone mentioned
that, and then I got too busy to like look into it. I
guess you know what I find out on Game this morning tomorrow morning. There
you go. So you and Tam you got Tam bar Yeah, Tam should
be honest, man, my best friend, Tam, that's your best friend.
He seems to be. He seems to agree with you when you say
that too. He loves my reactions. It was like, I was,
it was the dream because like, yeah, get you was like earlier,
like that would suck if you said that to me. Oh, Michael,
let's just just let's just wait, let's see, let's wait until you say
anything. And then yeah, it was the opportunity was it was? It
was was it goomber though it wasn't even goober. It was you talking about
how this was a strategy that you would use at Disney where you'd go do
something Well, yeah, don't know totally, but it's like you could tell
the Tam just every time he overhears you, it's a different Disney thing.
So it was just a perfect moment. It's great. Gilmore says. The
NHL had their version of the Toy Story Fun Day Football last year, the
Big City Green's Classic. That's right, pretty neat. My kid enjoyed it.
Man, no idea. I was watching the Red Wings preseason game earlier
tonight and the commercial came up for NHL in Roadblocks, Go play the Go
play the Roadblocks. NHL game, which I have seen before at Jeff Backlar's
house where Dibb was playing that and then he made fun of us to his
friends. I had to say, there was that Hamilton Roadbocks thing, and
I think that killed both Roadblocks and Hamilton. I think I don't think I
could take any of these serious. Michael literally says Tim Sweeney is definitely Spencer's
Guy. He famously did a presentation with nothing in his house but a plasma
ball. A Spencer's Guy right now. Black definitely that you just described with
Spencer Guy. It's a weird store, Spencer's. Spencers gifts, Yeah,
there for Halloween, you go there for black black light posters. Yeah,
you get the for gag sex gifts like store parties to get the penis gummies,
Father's Day gifts of like stuff about how your dad farts a lot,
yeah, yeah, yeah, a cheap shot glasses, lava lamps, yeah,
oddly, a lot of like semed to backpacks. Yeah. I haven't
been in a Spencer's in a long time, but it's obviously it left an
impression on me. I think, so, yeah, I miss is there
like one mall store you think about the most that you miss Kaby toys guy
or something like I do. Yeah, I definitely like Kaby toys. Yeah,
I think I think about kboy. I was thinking about Kaby toys the
other day, obviously, And do you know why I was think about kabying
toys. I bet if you thought about it for a second, would probably
know why. I mean, has to do with your has to do with
your shirt, Sega, that Sega have something special to Kaby toys. Yeah,
in a way when they launched the Saturn early that they only provided it
the toys r Us and I think by other cup and then they didn't have
it for Kaby Toys and Kaby Toys, Like what the fuck. So when
the Saturn was ready to go Kaby Toys, they're like, fuck you,
we don't want that trash, get it out of here. Yeah, but
guess who happened to be and that toys arrest that day with their doctor father
Sega saturns that I didn't know this. You went the early Sega Saturn.
Oh yeah, that's incredible. I mean it's over there. I have that
Sega Saturatur rules, that's fatur I was. I was, I was a
Saga fan boy then I was very mad about. I was station watching a
lot of Saga Saturn stuff, and I'm like, I think I like the
way a lot of these three D games look on the Sega Saturn. Yeah,
I know that it would hard to d all for, but Andrew Dragon
one is gorgeous. Yes, even a one of the ports were I mean
god. And then when they started putting out and stuff, there was a
great stretch there for the Saturday. Something I've scene about playing Battle Arena to
Shinden on a Siga Saturday. Sure, yes, that feels unnatural. I
agree with that. All right. That's it for the supertests from now.
Thank you so much. Everybody was a bunch of them. We really appreciate
Jeff wy don't we take a little bricky brick. We got some games to
play today. Sounds good. We'll be right back after this, everybody,
it is time for the game show within a podcast. I don't know how
to do it. That's why I hand this over to Sean. That's right
closest to the Messy pin Everyone's favorite game show. With the podcast volume seventeen,
we got going on here, presented by me Turboshawn, powered by Meg
Critic executively produced by Benji Bop. We just did one of these last week,
so you know the rules. But if you need a short version,
boys are gonna be guessing a Metacritic score, five of them to be exact.
Each point off they are. We're gonna tell you it up at the
end of it. Golf rules. The lowest score wins. And you know
what, Jeff, if you want to detailed rules, they're gonna be in
the description of the podcast. Wow, Christian put that in the podcast.
Done. Watched the video version on YouTube. Everybody. Anyways, Jeff spanked
Mike last week, So Mike, you get to pick first's actually closest at
the end? Uh yeah, sure, you can't do math. Game Number
one is Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius for the GameCube December seventeen, two thousand and
two. Four fourtic reviews, which is the minimum number you need to get
a committed critics score. Man, I watched Ant Dude. I think it
was ant Dude or was it? Was it the other one I watched somebody
did a bunch of videos. Bottle did Jimmy new trunk Is? It wasn't
ant Dude, it was Guy Nitro Rad Nitro Red did video bottle Mike,
don't give us a shit. Hey, Jeff, everybody loves me. Fumbling
over trying to remember the names of people they don't know. It's like they're
playing cyberpunk. Just oh, this is my new favorite bit of your spike
three years had that be? Like? The one person was like, I
don't think cyberpunk is that good, even aside for the technical issues. He's
so happy that I Oh, my god, it's a brother in arms.
I have no idea. A sixty three. OK, let's see for the
game cube. Yeah, man, I think I have to go lower.
I'm scared it's four critic reviews. I'm gonna go with the sixty. Yeah.
I think both of you might be high. I haven't seen a score,
but I feel like that might be high. It seems likely, which,
by the way, has a score of forty two. Wow. Wow,
it's almost Blake Club worthy. H What have what have been the score
the medicatic scores of the Blake Club Club games? Most of them been like
in the thirties, I think from Smortal Kombat Special Forces. I didn't see
a medicric score, but I did the math on my own from the Wikipedia
page. It would have a Medicric score of roughly eighteen. That is very
good game and number two. Earthworm Jim HD on the Xbox three sixty released
June ninth, twenty ten, twenty four o'cret reviews more to work with here,
Jeff, I don't like get what he's doing. Very good bobs.
Okay, let's room, Jim h D Jesus Christ. Somebody refused. Yeah,
it's like a or whatever. Yeah, people, people were playing them.
I'm gonna say in an eighty, I guess wait, okay, I'm
just gonna go make I'm gonna say seventy nine. Excuse me, seventy nine
Okay, I feel like I feel like you're from Jim Stock lowered a lot,
even like people in bedgames, I would hope. So I'm gonna say
s oh I hated Earthworm gym. Yeah, I liked her gym at the
time quite a bit. Sorry, what was that, Mike, seventy seventy
seventy okay, okay, Sean Layden just liked my neck tweet. Let's fucking
go. That's a good guy, okay. Earthworms MHD sing at a seventy
three very close Mike, that's that's fair. I can accept the seventy three
for Earth Tied it Up. Let's go going into game number three, The
Gym and Frank Mysteries, The Blood River Files for iOS July nine, twenty
ten, six count them six critic reviews. You go first, each ship
the sex number. Damn what the oh? Okay, okay, you don't
know what the sex number. Get a load of this guy. He doesn't
know about the sex number. Listen, it's a hundred in my house.
Jeff, what you got there? I don't know what that means. It's
a hundred in my house. Uh, you know what, because I've made
this rule sixty nine to go down together. The Gym and Frank Mysteries,
The Blood River Files. The Classic has seventy one. You're close, pretty
close, Mike a Ready review, hilariously close. That's Jesus great. Damn
number four Jimmy Johnson's Anything with an Engine. I first saw this game at
Game's Done Quick this year. Oh my god, is this isn't fair?
Jeff's worked at Jimmy john PlayStation three version here in November first, twenty eleven,
only five craect reviews. I'm a little surprised that more people didn't do
like joke reviews or something of this just from the title. Yeah, I
have to go with the sixty nine again. I'm sorry I have anything anything
with an edge. I think I'll go last, think I'll go to more
A fifty five. Okay, a little more pessimistic, all right, Timmy
jos is anything with an engine A game where you cut race, which is
the wildest shit is s sixty seven hlariously close fuck, which means that Mike
shouts off on a phot a little bit there when you saw that. What
did it look like? I don't even know what this is. It looks
like if I say, like x b LA cart racer, like pretty much
what you in your head. But yeah, the vehicles are like tractors and
show you know, Okay, very cool anyways. Game number five, the
last one of the evening. Mike is at thirty eight, Jeff is at
twenty eight, ten point difference. Game number five is Jim Henson's Muppets Party
Cruise. Here you go, Mike your specialty PlayStation two. PlayStation two,
November thirteenth, two thousand and three. Eleven Critic reviews. This sounds like
PS one game to me, But all right, there's a paid pass one
Muppets game that's actually really good. Yeah, so you'd be on GameCube.
Yeah, no idea. I'm sure it's not. I'm gonna say seventy one.
I was waiting for the sixty nine, all right. Uh, I
will go with a seventy five. Okay, ball parking mikey even then might
not win. I don't know. Math is hard. Jim Henson's Muppets Party
five or sixty five? What'd you say, Jeff, I said seventy five,
Okay, he's going a little high. There is then that's sixty one
appropriate soundclip thing Christian, which means Mike gets ten, Jeff gets one,
two, three, fourteen, Jeff wins forty two. We'll miss you,
Jimbo. Thank you so much, Jimmy for everything you've done. Mike.
Yeah there, all right, there was another thing, right, Sean,
there is Let's take another quick break while we get set for that. Sounds
good and be right back everybody. We'll be real quick, all right,
Like we said, we're back, and I think we I think we're at
the end of the quarter, right, that's right. Yeah, So we
had the game mess Metric Predictions Q three results A Q four predictions. We're
gonna go quickly and just run them all into one here. This has provide
to us by our buddy, the uncharred Wolf exact executive produce, not by
Benji Bop, this time by me. I looked this one over before we
got into it, So start off here. We have a listener rules if
you don't know, basically, idea is just a kid as close as possible.
If you want the fold rules again, you can look at the video
version for that. But anyways, a note to meta cric here, you
suck. Please don't change your shit because it's really screwing with our boys.
No comments, okay, anyways, let's get to the results of the core
here. First off, we have game number one Exo Primal. Jeff predicted
first, and then they will be alternating there. Jeff predicted seventy nine,
Mike predicted eighty. Grub wins because it got a sixty seven. Unfortunately,
Grub gets the point there. Also, by the way, all the community
results, just for the sake of time, I will be just doing the
sum ran at the end, So if you want to see how the community
did if you played along, hey, make sure check out the video version
as well. That's a bit optimistic on Exo Promem, but Capcom's been on
a bit of a ways good though. I had a great I think reviewers
were unfair to that game. I've been trying to figure out who paid them
off to be mean to it. I'll figure out eventual. I would give
it like high seventies at least, but yeah, I would be in the
seventies with him. Yeah. Game No. Two was Pickman for Mike predicted
an eighty nine. Jeff predicted in eighty seven. It got an eighty seven.
I feel like it wasn't eighty and at first, no own. Yeah,
I must have gone down a little bit, so Jeff gets the bonus
point there. I'm not pretty disappointed it went down to the critic points,
because that game deserves in eighty nine. Yeah, it's kind of not so
actually, but shit good, it's pretty cool. Hang on real quick,
let me fix the stream. It kind of got messed up there. I
think we are back in business. Yeah, okay, cool, perfect,
all right. Game number three was Disney Illusion Island. Jeff predicted a seventy
six and Mike, who hosts a Disney podcast, predicting in eighty two naturally,
I am bias. Okay, it's gonna for me so far, but
guess what I guess seventy three. So Jeff wins there, getting the point
once again. Man, I'm winning now. That means I could never lose
the shuret least can't. This is or Flour was Bothers. Game three,
Mike one with an eighty six Grub went high with the ninety they got ninety
six, said nine anyone could go back and listen, gave me. I
don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. Man,
Why did I go at ninety You were feeling pretty high. You're like,
yeah, I'm saying good things about the early access and everything. Sorry,
yeah that was me that. I tell you that my friends were having a
good, really good time with that game, and they're Game number five was
Immortals of a VM. You're both close here. Jeff predicted seventy four,
Mike predicted seventy one. It was slightly lower at seventy, so Mike's the
point there. You're on the board. Nicely done. Game number six was
Armored Cores six, where Mike predicted a ninety one. Grub predicted eighty seven.
It was an eighty six, so I think I should be should be
right, you should right. Game number seven was c of Stars. Jeff
predicted eighty one, Mike predicted eighty four. It was actually significantly higher than
eighty eight stars. Good job see of Stars. Let's go Yeah, that
might be a next game start up. It is, it's looking very good
man. Game number eight's Starfield, the game me and Mike just spent a
while talking about. Oh boy, Mike predicted Mike predicted ninety two, Jeff
predicted ninety four. I thought you were both idiots. But it did alright.
It did alright at an eighty four. But that does mean that Mike
taking a lower route there does get the point there. Close the gap a
little bit. Mike at three, Jeff at six. Okay, maybe it's
not completely over for me. Game number nine was Lies of p where Jeff
predicted eighty Mike predicted eighty two. It came in at an eighty. I'm
both the critic and users predictated exactly right. That seems to be working for
It's actually insane that this game is only an eighty Christian. If it had
a from Software local in front of it, it would have gone an extra
No, it would be it would be in Game of the year talk absolutely,
Yeah, it's game number ten Mortal Kombat one. Mike predicted an eighty
nine, Jeff predicted to ninety. People were slightly cooler on it, do
some stiffness and whatnot, so came in at eighty four. Mike gets the
point there. That was also right after we played that at Summer Game.
I had such a good time with it. Yeah, game number eleven paiday
three or Jeff predicted seventy nine, Mike predicted its seventy five. I don't
know how there's reviews for this game because no one can play it. It's
sin as seventy on Metacritic. Man seventy nine. I felt like I should
ever since I'm like, that will be low seventies, So I don't know
why whatever thinks seventy nine. The user scores a one point nine. But
I think I saw just explained by that is Mike gets the point point there,
and that's all we had for the corner. Jeff wins eight to five.
Stop laughing in time with your laughing in your je Okay, once again
we have the community results all off, I mean a lot of people.
A lot of people played, So if you want to see where exactly you
play, check out the video version. Because what we we did. Guess
what next week? Are we doing the next No, No, we're rolling,
We're rolling. You just yeah, you just you just chill, you
just big chill dude. Congrats to snub Kin for the eight and therefore winning
it. Uh, isn't that what you got as well? Jeff? I
got eleven? Didn't I get eleven? No? I'm pretty sure you got
What're you adding together the two scores there? Maybe? I don't know.
I don't know. In five, I don't know what you're you know what?
Whatever? Were you down? They only get points through the closest out
of all of those people. So Snuff's way more impressive than me. It's
much more difficult. It's much more difficult. Yes, absolutely, that's right.
We got some fun facts and figures that would normally go through, but
in the interests of time, I just want to play this one instead.
I felt, I think people really want to like it too. Yeah,
And I'm like, I want I want to have faith in it. The
last time I sort of like had this much hope in a game, it
was Breath of the Wild, and that's what Jeff thought about Starfield when he
was making his predictions. It's always Sylfie on that line. Well, faith,
this is why faith is a terrible thing. You're not wrong, ye
all right? Anyways, we got the Q four predictions. We're gonna roll
through these quickly. It's gonna be the same rules as before, and afterwards
I will post a thread where y'all can give well fear predictions in the secret
channels of the discord. So let's plow through these. Reminder to everyone that
Q one winner was Mike, Q two and Q three or Jeff. So
right now, Mike is going for the tie, which we haven't talked about
this, but I think executive decision right here. If you guys tie,
we'll figure out a like who was closest on all these you and Wolf can
figure out. Okay. Otherwise, if Jeff takes the quarter, you just
one last year the whole thing, was it, Jeff? I don't think
we did if Yeah, this is new enough. But anyways, as winner
of the last quarter, Jeff will be going first. So Jeff, I
need you to tell me what you think. Assassin's creed murrage you'll get Okay,
I am going to google Assassin's Creed. I know you know what.
Actually, you won't more of that. No more of that. You can't
look at passcorts, no windows that we did that last time. That was
the whole bull shit. You're a gaming church journalists, you're one of the
biggest gaming personalities in the world. More you'll have enough, no whig inside
you. There's the game a Sex Creeper Rush. Now guess it's fucking metacritics,
were open critics or whatever. I'm just saying, somebody ain't happy.
Ain't nobody happy? Yes, sir, all right, I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say eighty five, al right, eighty four. I'm gonna go
eighty four, eighty four, eighty four final answer, No, eighty two,
eighty two final's my final answer? Yes, all right, Mike,
eighty four, I want eighty four. There you go. Okay. Game
number two, Detective Pikachu returns Mike. Uh, it'll get like a seventy
three okay, Jeff, That's what I was gonna say. I'm gonna say
seventy one okay. Game number three forts a Motorsport Jeff, Yeah, I'm
thinking I will go within because it's like selection bias a little bit. So
I'm gonna go with a ninety Oh all right, Mike, m yeah,
these games usually review pretty well. Gosh, it's hard. I want to
go close to night. You said if I want to do like an eighty
nine or ninety one. Uh, I'm gonna I'll go eighty nine. I'll
go eighty nine. Okay. Game number four, Lords of the Fallen,
not the Lords have Fallen, Lords of the Fallen. Wait at the Google.
I don't know if this game is sean. What is this? It's
like a soul's like. Isn't this the one that is a a sequel to
the game called Lords of the Fallen? Oh that's right. Well, if
a very good one of these lies appeal only got an eighty wolves Like,
Mike, you're a game journalists, I'll say a seventy five. Okay,
Jeff seventy six? Fair enough, getting her five Jeff's Gami of the Year
Sock Superstars, fuck no idea. Yeah, I'll let you buy as creep
in do it? Uh wait, wait, what's that? Well? Go
go biased here thirty one? No, I will go I play this game.
It's fine. I will go within eighty. I'm we'll go with an
eighty three. Okay, okay, keep in an eye on you, Mike.
Seventy seven, Oh, mikey of a little face. People hate the
rope. People hates on it these days? Have you heard? I probably
like it Marvel Spider Man two. This is hard to say so many people.
I'd think about who's reviewing this? Uh, I think I'll do fine
and reviews, I mean I probably will also like it. I'm not trying
to be like it's gonna be ship, it's gonna get reviews. It's not
what I mean. But I feel like that general kind of coolness that some
of us are perceiving right now is not going to be reflected in reviews.
Uh. Ninety one, okay, eighty nine, Okay, both get scores,
both who scores? Super Mario Brothers Wander Jeff. The game where the
checkerboards in the background are very intentional, by the way, Like I said,
it's weird that they intentionally made it look like shit. I'm gonna give
it a ninety Okay, ninety two, Oh fucking go, I Mike might
be I hope, so I hope it's ninety two. Cities Skylines two.
These games usually come out like not in an amazing state, right up,
but see Skylands. It's good. I was like eighty three death. I
will go with an eighty one. Okay, both close again. Game number
nine, Alan, wait two, I'm thinking, yeah, Buffy, Yeah,
it's tough. I'm gonna I'll go to eighty eight. Okay, Mike,
Yeah, eighty seven that's what I was thinking. I'll stick with it.
Eighty seven alright, alright. Game number ten, that's actual game of
the year warrior Ware. Move it a right, Mike first, Oh sorry,
eighty one okay, eighty two Okay, we'll see how that works out.
I'm not sure how much is it gonna fly nowadays? Sure? Game
number eleven like a dragon guide in The Man who Erased his Name? Eighty
four? Is this the one Daytona two? Oh? Which one's Daytona two?
I think that might be this one one hundred. I'm jeffing shit.
It's hard to say because like Ishan didn't get like amazing scores, and that's
kind of the caliber I'm expecting here, right uh it? Jeff said,
what did you say? Eight? Yeah, but that's rough. I'll say
eighty five. Okay. Game Nuverer of twelve is Call of Duty Modern Warfare
three. Mike, Oh Jesus Christ, oh gosh, I wonder what.
I wonder what people do think of the last few ones? Who even knows?
This one's weird though. This one's kind of like we're making a Call
of Duty and one Warfare with a buck scraps in a cave. So I'm
gonna say, I'm gonna say eighty three. Okay, Uh, I will
go with God again. He's right, man, aren't I? Though?
Yeah, I guess I have to go with eighty four. It's a little
lower, by the way, Adam Nicki Minaj will be in this game because
that carries for from Warslutely. Game number thirteen is Persona five Tactica. Is
that mean that's me? Yeah? I feel about these tiles, Jeff.
They seem like pretty good tiles. I'm trying to thank God. I wish
I could have Google, like what stuff like this guy does. Yeah,
you should get cheap. Yeah, let's go with I'm gonna say eighty two.
All right, sorry, j says on Mike. No, that's just
that's good. That's a very good guess. That's what I was thinking,
Uh, I just want to a lower and atactic the anime type game,
the spinoffs it could be, so they can kind of feel so fluffy.
Sometimes I want to go more like in eighty one. Okay, you remember
fourteen Super Mario RPG Super Mario. That's hard because like you first, it
is so you're not you Okay, yeah, why were you just talking at
the end there? Then I'm okay last, and then I go first.
Right, Okay, I'm watching the football game. They're making a comeback.
Let's go. Yes, they definitely are. But what's the score. It's
eleven to twenty seven, but they're about to score. Okay. This is
hard because there's always a bit of a remake. Tax Uh, there's gonna
be some people who are young and just do not have nostalgia for this.
I'll say an eighty six Okay, yeah, got eighty six does feel right,
and I guess I might. I want to I want to go higher,
but I think it's probably right to go lower than that. I'll say
eighty five five, Okay, I'll throw it out there. I think I
would go a little bit higher on that one. I think people I hope,
so the last game Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. Jeffs. I will go
with a seventy eight. Okay, I think that's right. But I love
my beautiful big Blue Boy seventy nine. It's really well, I hope.
Well, a note from your from your game master here, half on everybody,
and don't get mad at me if you lose Mike as well, will
please, I will quickly bring I will quickly bring up a summary which I
think I might have centered right. Slive shows up alright on the screen,
bigger if you want it to. But yeah, we'll do it like that
song like that. Okay, so quick summary here. Assassin's Cream raz Jeff
went eighty two, Mike went eighty four, Detective Peak two Returns Jeff has
seventy one, Mike seventy three, forts A Motorsport Jeff at ninety, Mike
at eighty nine, Lords of the Fallen Sequel two. Lords of the Fallen
Jeff has seventy six, MICUs seventy five, Sonic Superstars Jeff has eighty three,
MICUs seventy seven, Marvel's Spider Man two eighty nine for Jeff ninety one
from Mike, Super Mario Brothers Wonder ninety for Jeff, ninety two for Mike
City Skylines two, eighty one for Jeff, eighty three from Mike Allen Way
two, eighty eight for Jeff, eighty seven for Mike Wairi Ware move At
eighty two for Jeff, eighty one for Mike. You guys are going in
the eighties for a lot of these games. It might be a year for
games. Ya Yeah, like a Dragon Guy done eighty four for Jeff,
eighty five for Mike Call of Duty Modern Warfare three. It's a little cut
off there, eighty four again for Jeff, and then Elolare eighty three for
Mike, Percafi Tactica eighty two for Jeff, eighty one from Mike, Super
Mario RPG eighty five for Jeff three and then Avatar Frontiers at Pandora seventy eight
for Jeff, sevy nine from Mike pre Ubius off scores. I think there,
and we are done with our game for the evening. Thank you,
gentlemen, awesome, Thank you so much, Sean, appreciate the help there.
Let's see if we can get things going Harvest. How don't you take
a break anyway, Jeff, because I had to go to the Bathroom were
two thousand and four Game of the Year. After this pp and we're back,
and this time we are discussing two thousand and four the games there within,
and which ones are the best. We will come up with a list
of five games by arguing with one another. Mike, do I have your
permission to look up games from the year two thousand and four and the year
two thousand or yes? Yes, if you have permission to use Google and
Wikipedia. Now you appreciate that, and that's very thoughtful. Yeah, this
one has always been up there with nineteen ninety eight for me, is just
an incredible I'm curious to see if it sort of lives up to that memory
I have of it. Yes, what we're about to find out there are
a bunch of good games that came out in two thousand and four, for
sure. Where do you want to start, Mikey, Yeah, probably by
number one from this year. One of my absolute favorite games of all time.
Half Life two just still the gold standard for what a single player shooter
campaign should be. Just you know, it did like up the game in
terms of production value a ton. It's one of the first games I remember
like whoa, the characters like eyebrows and mouths are moving to emote. That's
crazy begin to that kind of right. But then the physics stuff is fun.
It's not just some gimmick, right, Like at first, yeah,
you kind of use it for grenades and to throw things around. That famous
hey pick up the can citizen thing in the beginning, that that whole first
section just that's that is how you set up or lord dump, I don't
know what you call it, but oh, it's just incredibly immersive. But
then the gravity gun is still just the coolest thing of so many memorable moments
from this level, all of Raven Holme. One of my favorite kind of
final stretches in a game too, when you get that super gravity gun.
It's like, because there's rules to the gravity gun in the game, well
you can't use it on other people or blah blah blah. They like at
the end, they take that, they get rad those rules like now you
can't and it's just this your overpower just running ramp rampant in this place.
It's such a memorable, fun, incredible, groundbreaking, well paced, phenomenal
game. Love Half Life too. I look at this year and it's a
lot of like really big games and then a lot of like ones that I
adore that I don't know if they're gonna play, like Katamari Demassi. I
love Katamari Demasy, but I'm gonna put it on the list for now.
But it's like that, like, that's probably my favorite game of this year.
It's actually up there. There might be some better ones, but I
when I even saying that, I was like, it's gonna have a tough
time on this list, I think, But for now, Katamari Demasi it's
I mean, it has a really interesting idea of just rolling around picking up
trash, making the ball bigger. But then it's it's so much style,
so much great music, actually surprisingly fun characters, the King of all the
Cosmos and all that stuff. So yeah, I love Katamari Demassi. It's
one of those ones where I'm like, oh, hell yeah, games can
get weird. I can get this weird game from Japan, and this is
kind of like what I come to gaming for an entirely new experience I never
knew I wanted, right, I think, because I you know, I
told you I've never really played his games. I'm trying to actually buy a
copy for a Placeastion two pretty recently, so hopefully I'll be able to fix
that about myself soon. You know, you could. I know you're clicking
the old games, but those re releases are pretty good. Yeah, that's
why I even asked, Like, I heard the rerelease of that is pretty
good, so I probably should just pick that one up at some point.
All right, Jeff, Here's another very very very very good game. World
of Warcrafts came out in two thousand four. This games It's funny because the
reason this game seems so amazing then, because do you think this is a
pretty hardcore gamers game now? At the time, it's like, oh,
this is an accessible EMMO, and everyone was playing it. Back then,
everyone was yeah, compared to something like an Ultima Online or an Never question
like, oh this is you could pick up and play this, even though
back then like it has all this stuff now that we would consider archaic,
but it was just so well designed. It was a ton of fun.
The world was incredible. I still like just those first ten hours in this
game where I did roll a dwarf. I was just running around that snowy
starting area and then that first major giant. It seemed huge at the time,
that first zone and going into the giant dwarf in city. It was
it really didn't feel like a world. It was an entire world. It's
a ton of fun. Everyone was playing it, so you were playing with
your pals. I even know what rating was back then, didn't even care
about it, and I kind of missed that feeling. Well, Workcraft less
a big, big deal and it was fun immediately, and it's not a
surprise that it became huge. Yes, I kind of it would be wild
have a list of two thousand and four without World of Warcraft on there,
even even though it's like also kind of a weird one because it exists over
such a long span of time that you don't associate with two thousand and four
and necessarily but when you're looking at a list like this, it's not like
it like, oh, it wasn't good at first, it got better.
It was great immediately, Yes, exactly, it's big. I remember I
remember reading a game spy story against by dot Com before this came out.
Because ever Quest two came out like the same month. Everyone was like,
which one's going to be better? And it's funny now, yes, very
very funny. I would probably next personally put paper Mario the thousand Year Door
up for consideration. Oh damn believe it is? Oh about that? Oh
yeah? This maybe after the first Mario RPG. This is probably my favorite
of the Mario. I think it's almost infinitely better than the first one,
even though it's so similar. I think just some of the presentationousuf they do
here. I love the little stage, I love that little porktown that's kind
of your hub, super fun companions. Just it's just such a It's a
slick, fun, funny, super memorable game. It's such a good time
man all mine. They're gonna get fucking slaughtered, but I have some months
I really like it's well, I mean, I just I am going to
agree about these bigger ones. It is the things. But let's see,
I just did pay me out of the one thousand year door. Do you
have another one? Let me do one that is a little bit like I'm
not sure if it gets in, but partment would like to burnout three Takedown
that is. I played it again not too long ago by X because I
remember when I didn't get so we had an Xbox. Then AG went to
college actually, so we took it and me and Kristen and bought here getting
our own until it was Fable. We're like, oh, Fables coming out,
that's gonna be the biggest game. Weare. We gotta get an Xbox
for Fable. We can't miss out on Fable. So we got that.
We got Fable, and I was like, oh, people say Burnout three
is good. I played so much more Burnout three. Burnout three Takedown was
so much fun and it is still fun. There's still nothing really quite like
that. Even I know there was even a sequel, sequel after this,
but now this is the Burnout game for me. Man. Yeah, I
think I I think I got an Xbox for Halo two and I was living
with a bunch of dirt bags and uh wean. I played through Halo two
and then we played some stuff online. We had way more fun personally.
I had more fun personally going online and doing the crash mode and Burnout three
and trying to get high scores and then pass the control around and having everyone
in the room do the crash mode and the whole entirety of Burnout three is
great, but that crash mode is like an all time favorite thing for me.
And then on top of it, just the racing is also very good
in the crashing out other enemies and stuff like that. It's it's a really
good game. I love Burnout three. I mean you mentioned it, but
hey, Halo two is also this year. Halo two is also this year.
Yes, uh, and that's that's a great game as well. I
actually like the story. I like playing as the Arbiter. There's there's a
lot of cool stuff in Halo two, and obviously stuff was enormous, enormously
important. I think this is the last time my mom tried to punish me
with taking a game when he was Halo two. I forget what she was
even resting about it. I remember. I think she was wrong. I
think she thought we did something and we did it high school and we thought
we were like, we're too old for this mob game away. Yeah,
definitely took my game boy away. I think it's probably the last time that
happened, all right. The def Jam Fight for New York is very,
very good. I wanted to pick that up, Jeff at the thing we're
at. I found a copy of it and it was expensive and I was
gonna go for it, but didn't have the manual. I was like,
I'm just if I'm gonna pay this much money? Oh wait for the manual?
Yeah totally, and you should. Def Jam Fight for New York is
a great sort of wrestling game with a ton of character and then a ton
of characters, but a ton of character where it brings the music in and
you kind of fight, and fighting to the beat has a little bit of
an effect. But it just felt so cool and it felt great to play.
I was really obsessed with this game. I haven't played it since it
kind of I first played when it came out, and I'm like, oh
man, I should go back to this. But yeah, I love def
Jam Fight for New York. Metal Gear saw a three snake Eater. Yeah
that is a big, pretty big one. Yeah, I own probably probably
my favorite Metal Gear game. It's fantastic. My only like thing here is
that I would never play this version game. In fact, I didn't back
then. I actually couldn't get into it until substance subsistence subsistence. Ye see,
it's word that it's subsistence is not like sustenance since it's you know,
eating, like shouldn't. Yeah, I never I never fucking get what Coji
was trying to say with these substanitals but so like you know that that's the
original version of the original. Camera is a bit much free. But man
sneake Eater, I love that game. It is so ambitious for a placeastion
two things, the thing gets pulling off there, the stow feels so much
fun. It's a really it's still like that interesting intrigue, metal gear,
solid story, but it does kind of capture some of that like spy thrower
stuff that it's going for again. Ton of memorable moments, the fight with
the end going up the ladder. What's up, Jeff, I just saw
another game that, like, God, I would love to get on this
list, but it's going to be it's a hard list. And that's after
another one I already want to say that I think will have a hard time,
But is it uh Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. H I love Donkey Kong
Jungle Beat. I really love it, but I'm gonna have a hard time.
The real one I want to say is a Spider Man two. Spider
Man two is just about everything Spider Man from insobm Gas. That was this
year, Yep, it was because we have Spider Man. The original kind
of came up before that and the Spider Man two is two thousand and four.
They got the swinging right, which is the most important thing, not
just like, well, the Spider Man game is gonna work. It's kind
of like an important thing for like, oh, man games can feel this
good. You can move around a giant space like this and it works and
it's fun, and they actually make it like, oh, the web is
shooting up to that building and it's actually attached to it, and you gotta
and you gotta find a building to attach too, and it's not like difficult.
It's still easy to pull off, but you feel amazing. It's one
of the earliest best feeling three D games ever made, just in terms of
like fun, like a few things where it's fun. It ever in vagans
up to that planet swinging around Spider Man two, it's insane because there was
a movie license game. It still had like some of the pitfalls of that
with some repetitive stuff and like some lazy voice acting from like the movie stars
and all that, and it didn't matter. I mean, they made a
lot of Spider Man games after this, and it took them a very long
time to come close to feeling as good as this again, it was.
It was a huge deal. Spider Man two absolutely rules, right, So
apparently Spider Man one sold a little bit better than Spider Man two, and
so they're like, well, obviously we don't care about the accurate web swinging,
and so they never really did that again. Uh, and like fucking
Bobby Cottic. Yeah, Like it's so good that really you can compare it
to Spider Man twenty eighteen and the swinging at the very least is almost exactly
the same. Like they got it that right right away, boy boy,
spider Man two is an all time classic for me. Oh my god,
there's just a ton of games here, Jeff, this is a this is
nuts. There's let me do a two pack of two game Boy Vans games
that I love. Uh. Metroid zero Mission and The Legend of Zoda,
the Minish cap. Metroid zero Mission one of the best remakes ever. It
kind of almost I don't say it invalid, it's the original. There's still
some reason to play that, but pretty much like, yeah, play,
I would tell anyone new to the series to go play zero Mission and not
the original. It feels fantastic. The added a little bit at the end
with zero Suit Samus is super fun. Then the Mesh cap is one of
my favorite Top Town Zelda games. I think it has fantastic dungeons that sky
based on towards the end is super fun. Really, I really love this
game because it gets a little weirder with the items that you get in the
dungeons is not just the standard stuff. I think it's super fun, really
cool. Final BOSSI two is actually a bit of a challenge. It's it's
it's ton of fun. I love me my minish cap. I'm I like
Metroid Prime two echoes a lot, but I it's not gonna play on this
list. I never finished that game. I don't think no, I mean
neither. Actually you know, maybe I did. I don't remember finishing it,
though I yes, and I when I go back to replay it,
I don't have any desire to. It's kind of a slog at certain points.
It's not nearly as good as Metro Prime one, which is a perfect
game. Yeah, same Pickman two. I love Pittman two as well.
It's it's a impriment over Pickman one. Uh, It's it's not where the
series is eventually going to get. Where Pickman three and four are fantastic games.
Sorry, go ahead. I was gonna was gonna say Beautiful Joe two
kind of same thing. Really good, really really really good game, but
not going to play on this list. I want to hear the biggest game
we haven't brought up yet, Yeah, Grand Theft Auto Son Andreas. Yes,
same out two thousand and four. Gosh, big game. Just terms
of the size of this thing, it was like three cities or areas that
you went to and introduced more rp G mechanics were insanely ambitious for PlayStation two.
H a lot of people's mind scheff. And it was a really fun
game, yes, I I by this point, I was like, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I get it. And I shouldn't have been.
I should have given San Andreas more of a chance it back then, because
there was so much more happening in it than than even Vice City, and
especially more than grant uft aut of three. But clearly, yeah, clearly,
in terms of scale and breadth u San Andreas isn't an early example of
what that can look like, and it was unmatched for a very long time.
Let's see twentyox Underground two. I like Thug two a lot. Yeah,
So I mean Yeah, it's very It's at least as good as Thug
one. I totally like for some reason, like the like entering one of
the great games of all time Era for twenty games kind of drops off from
me after three for whatever reason. But it's like two is still a very
good game, and another badge of like four two thousand and four just being
ridiculously good, kind of as a Ninja guid in, which was very at
the time. Man, that game got reviewed so well. Playing it recently,
I think it's eight perhaps a b it's in some ways, but still
a really good action game, really good three D action game. Man.
Uh, the DS came out in two thousand and four. That's the error
we're entering. That's canna bizarre pretty it's it's it's like the launch of the
year. It's not great. Yeah, it's a weird launch. The herbs
sims in the city. That's that's why it's easy or whatever the hell that's
Touch Titans or whatever it was. Yeah, absolutely Tiger Woods. But PGA
two or two thousand four, it is very good, very very very very
good. Oh yeah I said it. There you go. Yeah, there's
I feel like there's a couple others that people really like that we haven't mentioned
yet. Well, there's Luminous of meat this, Yeah, I mean you
are kind of anti luminous though. Yeah, I don't. I don't enjoy
never got it and rist to are people just really impressed when games where things
like pulse to a beat. For some reason, people freak out on that
up. It's like, oh my god, it's interacting with the music.
I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, if that's what it is,
Okay, I'm happy for you. It's fine. Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah. Cotar two came out as well, and sure, I just I've
never really given an actual play because it's like I'm putting it off. I
was going to yeah with the switch ridge of GOS, I was like just
waiting for that DLC for that little minor bit of false advertising. Yeah,
and you know what, get their asses? Yeah for really for really Yeah,
like kind I'm kind of mad about that myself. I shouldn't have said
that. Yeah. Well, I'm sure there's a few were forgetting. But
I bet if we maybe if we look at our community, maybe they can
help plug up some of the gaps here, Jeff. But yeah, big,
big, big big here here man, tons of good games. It's
pretty nuts. Yeah, let's see here. We have the community starting with
Cranch Cranes, mcbasketball, Mention in Middle Gear, Sali three, Snake Eater,
Paper, Mario Warhammer, forty K, Dawn of War, Ratchet and
Clank, Up your Arsenal, and S two Band of Thieves. Yeah.
You know, I always said before that we have kind of we're ashamed of
not knowing more about Slyde, but I definitely am. How do you feel
about up your Arsenal? I like it? I mean, I think all
three of those PlayStation two Russia games are obviously good. Like I always kind
of give kudos to the first one by Defaul, even though I'm sure the
other ones improve upon it. I think, honestly, Jeff, the next
time I'm going to be like shouting about Russian and Clink will be when a
crack and Time happens, which will be some time from now. Sure,
let's see here, mister Buller says best game. I'm still in a dream
metal Gear Solid three Snake Eater. Can I tell you something embarrassing them when
they announced Stink Eater, because like I was, I was thrown off a
Metal Gear sol two at the time, and so when they announced Snake Eater,
I remember had that really weird meta trailer where they were talking about making
trend like talking about grand theft auto and stuff. I was like, I
think this looks stupid. What's the snake Eater? That's dumb, that's a
bad name. I was kind of against this game. I didn't even play
it at first for a long time. In fact, I didn't play it.
I play a little bit, thought the camera was bad. I didn't
really play it. So I played Subsistence because I was so excited for Kingdom
Hearts too. It was driving crazy, so I didn't do something to occupy
myself. So I finally played Subsistence as my brother had. I was like,
Oh, this game fucking rules. The thing I remember most about Middle
Gear Solid three is Shane always defending the cameras, being like, no,
it has to be that way, it has to be that way, has
to be that way, and fucking god, what's it in gaming? Jesus
over at eight four play he would just be like, no, it sucks,
it's terrible. What are you talking about? And so then when Subsistence
came out and fixed the camera, He's basically just was making fun of shame
for a year straight. About that. Incredible, It's very good. You'll
have that all right, let's hear mister Bowler also says honorable mention too.
Na no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no Katamari Demassi. Of course everyone knows that song. Yeah, let's
see, showed you Kodos. I need a weapon for Halo two, Razzled,
jazzled. My personal game of the year is The Lord of the Rings
the Battle for Middle Earth. That's right, they kept doing those, which
was a very fun, real time strategy that I have a ton of nostalgia
for. It's like weird to like, oh yeah, like two thousand and
four is that's like after we're done releasing The Lord of the Rings crazy movies
exactly. Yeah, that's that's strange. Honorable mention to the original Star Wars
Battlefront. I know Jeff and Mike aren't wild about it, but it was
easily my most played game from the moment I got my hands on it until
it's sequel came out and took over that distinction. We're gonna we're gonna get
to that year. What have we just skipped that year. It is still
the funniest thing to be Jeff. It's like every what I know our age.
I was fine, I was there and I don't think we're playing it.
Yeah, that's all right. There are other things happening, always be
clothing slash Corgi. There are a lot of contenders, but only one game
makes you feel so supreme. I'm still in a dream. Middle Gear Solid
three Snake Eater might affect you, because that, like that really was like
I didn't know what's happened. It was gonna come going up that ladder and
the music. It's real quiet that the music to start playing like that really
was transcended to me. That was incredible. Never author, that's right,
good piece of shit because you because because I was like, oh man,
they changed the character you playoffs. I like to play a snake, so
so I was like you and that's like I initially did have that rest I'm
not going to play this, and then thank God, yes I will rectify
this eventually. That's like one of the things I keep thinking, we're gonna
have that collection soon, right exactly. Yes, he's to play thirty second
on my switch. Let's see here bench jac it's an early June morning in
two thousand and four, and I am born yep, I was born in
two thousand and four. Anyways, the best game of two thousand and four
is Paper Mario Cass Buckaroo is Minchel's see here. I'll keep it real with
you all. I've never played any of the big games. Two ausand four
is remembered for I have, however, played the best game that released in
two ausand and four, Metroid Zero Mission. I tried. Zero Mission is
fantastic. Velocity Primes is. The best game of two hours four is Half
Life two. Not only is an excellent follow up to a seminal title,
but a radical reinvention on player interactions with the game. The Lies of Wolf
five says, this is Mike's year of PC games. Barf, but I
got a shout out metal Gear Solid three baby, after two got shafted.
I'm going to cry if Mike gets rid of this game for something like Daytona
or whatever. Solid three, don't worry. Doctor Ryan says, I don't
play it anymore, but for the sheer amount of cultural significance it had in
my early years and probably everyone else around our age. I'm thirty seven.
You guys are around there too, right, we have to see World of
Warcraft on this list. I think that's likely, Alex. One of my
favorite games ever made, released in two hours of four, superb gameplay,
customization across the board, a modern community that exists to this day, and
extensive law entries. I'm of course talking about Zoo Tycoon two, where PC
gaming arguably peaked. Yes, this is wow, it's cool too, screaming
Madden. Madden is going to be busy compete with ESPN NFL two K five.
That's another sports game worth shouting out absolutely on my show. That's a
great one. But actually these two is the twenty bucks that they put out
I can't remember. But actually these two two thousand and four games will probably
not make it here, but are some of my favorite games ever. Sidmyer's
Pirates Fuck damn okay man. It was a beautiful remake of the nineteen eighty
seven game that had so many gameplay options, from fighting famous pirates like back
Blackbeard to finding your kidnapped family members. Fuck on it, blay pirates again.
Rome Total War was at one point the peak of the series turn based
campaign, real time battle hybrid system as it felt so good having your armies
overpower your enemies. Your armies overpower your enemies. I played a lot of
Total War Rome as well, and that, yes, absolutely a great game.
This really was a good years. Yes it was. Villain Max says,
a great year for games. But Halo two stands tall. Cactually,
I feel like I got to almost war people right now like that. You
know, it always says for like like, I like Halo fine, but
I don't know. I was not gonna make it. He was gonna make
it. Sorry, Casual says Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius Attack of the Twunkies talk.
Yeah, okay, there's like there's a bunch of Jimmy Neutron TV specials
and they would always make gains based off of them. Also, I watched
to watch the video games. I can't believe Jimmy Neutron came up twice today.
But we'll make of a trifecta at some point, I'm sure. Octo
says, obviously, Super Mario sixty four DS the best version of Super Mario
sixty four jokes aside Burnout three Takedown is still the peak of the genre.
I would love a version of Super Mario sixty four DS that was basically just
the game but with Mario or with Warriors still in it, and Yoshi is
playable and on a system of an analog stick. Of course, yes,
that would help. I think. He also mentioned sin Myers Pirates, which
God, yeah, I'm gonna put it on the short list of the very
weak just so I could see it right now. Hospa says, can't really
look beyond GTAA San Andreas. Hell of a game. Phlobo Trun's Middle Yourself
with three Snake Eater and Burnout three Takedown. JB. H. Christmas Eves
says the Lord of the Rings of the Third Age right that, like they
had already done. Yes, it had Final Fantasy ten style combat in a
story happening at the same time as the events of the books and movies.
Uh. The original characters are great. Shout out to Charles Martine as Ao
Din Wow uh, and they were able to have cameos from the Fellowship whenever
the story is intertwined. Also shout out to the Evil mode where you could
replay battles as the forces of Mordor, which was a fun what if mode
that more games need. I'm glad that Lord of the Rings caught the tail
end of that. Like Star Wars, there was like, we can make
a bunch of these licens games. I'm not that hard to make. It
was it was EA making those games, and they're like, we're not going
to give up this gravy train. And eventually the gravy train ran out,
but not after they tried a couple of things. Jackie G says the miscap
released to Know four, Mike mentioned that, oh here's the only your to
talk about. Okay, easy Oh yeah, easy ass says I honestly can't
decide between Half Life two and the Chronicles of ridic Escape from Butcher Bay.
Ridic is a game that is far better than has any right to be.
But Half Left two is a goddamn half It's goddamn Half Life two. It
was like probably it's like the most like, wait, this game is great
thing ever was freaking Chronicles of ridic Escape from but It's the best thing ever
happened from that ridiculous franchise. Uh yeah, there's kind of not a better
example of that. I don't think like of like, wait, what that
this It's like it's like not even just gets like really impressive in a lot
of ways to feel like there was like an Expendables game that came out.
It was amazing. Yep, exactly, exactly more surprising than that, Like,
what the hell are you like shooting the movies are? Like? She
was extremely impressed by the game because it's also like you're shooting on the movies.
It's a bit of both. That's that's the point. It's like,
it's good the physical one. The first movie is passable, I think,
but it's fine seen in a while. Now, Okay, listen, you're
alige your opinion, you're not. That's apparently apply. Lenny Cool Dick Denver
says, Halo two, Middle Your South three half Left two in one thousand
years, Door All came out this year, No wonder I was broke when
I was young. Wong Gift says, I think this is a comparatively comparatively
weak year, but games don't really get any better than out Run two,
a game that's pretty much the peak of arcade racing, and yet it's kind
of lost to time due to licensing issues. While not lost, Mikey,
I picked up my copy on a weekend. I'm excited to finally play out
Run two. Uh beef Hammer says, since Jeff has no doubt put Prince
of Persia Warrior Within on the least. No, I just want to remind
the boys say Halo two is dub best game and they better not screw this
up. Look, I openly, first off, sorry about Halo two.
Second off, resent the Warrior with it? No way, that's no.
I don't like what that games stands for too, taking an earnest kind of
fun game and trying to make it hard and like metal and you're gonna swear
and show TETs. Now, give me, give me a break. What
did God of War come out like the first God of War next year?
I think they think it's an OK five okay man. So it didn't even
it wasn't even response to that. I guess it was just like in the
water back then, it was just like this is what it was on MP.
That's why I resent it was like, oh, we had a cool
game. Now it has to like chase trends. Yeah, that's why I
resent Warrior Within. Let's see hear Ala Maracle says Ali Maracle. I think
that's what I'm supposed to say it. I think I say, okay man.
Two thousand and four was wild Metroid us fusion metal Gear sol At three.
Your girl is a twin Snakes enjoyer, but is a is not a
die I cannot enjoyer? Yes, that's fair. Yeah, my hat has
to go to a thousand year door. The settings, the writing, the
music, and frame perfect timing on text was amazing. Then again, this
is the same year for def Jam Fight for New York, which was also
influential at the time, and getting to beat some ass with flavor flav absolutely
who am I kidding? Though? Alias came out this year Elmeo and Claim
classic and I'm gonna claim I keep thinking about Alias as a well. The
metric score is not low enough for it to be a play club game.
It's got like a sixty four and places two. That's surprising, okay,
I mean that's a it's a masonse to thrill when you guys are talking about
games that no one talks about or shows, nobody talks about it anymore.
There's remember Alias. Yeah, Alias was very big at the time, and
you're right, I don't really hear anyone talk about it anymore. What was
I There's a show I was thinking about. I can't remember Tokyo Game Life
says Phantom Brave, a strategy RPG from nippon Ichi, the makers of this
guy. This is their best game, and yes it's available on the switch.
Oh interesting, Okay, I remember this. Yeah, that's a bit
more palatable to me than this guy. This guy is oh cute, cheap
anime demon thing is a little much for me. I don't know. Matt
Rare Monkey says Halo two, Wow, Half Life two, Katamari, Demassi,
Paper, Mario the Thousand Year Door in that order. I'm good luck
with that. Uh Big Big Tony says Deaf Jam Fight for New York.
Fucking hey, terryaki Blues is shout out to Fable. It didn't live up
to the wild expectation. Yeah, thanks Peter, that's Terryaki Blues is definitely
Peter Moore or not Peter Moore. What's his name up? Peter Malan New
thank you? But the game for fun Yeah, Signed the Wall had amazing
music and had a unique charm to it. Barf Sparkle or barf Spackle says
finally the time to stump for Mario Golf Advanced Tour. That's fully fleshed out
RPG. Fun environmental puzzles with the golf mechanics, and the golf itself is
as good as it gets. A personal top ten all time for me,
all timer for me, Jesus, I really like the Game Boy Color version
of the before this, which was also a full fletched RPG, but this
one's also. This is the one I think. I think about that,
I think about the Gameboy Advanced with this and the Tennis one of course.
Yeah, the Tennis one was great as well. Fuck now those games so
much, Jim bobbed himself. Well, since you guys put Pokemon Red and
Blue on the nineteen ninety eight list and they are broken games, surely you
have room for Fire Red and Leave Green remakes aka the version most people play
and think of when they think Gen one. Now you have my fire right
over here, I have it over here. The trash No, but is
wrong with you? Someday I'm going to do a nice see what I want?
Hopefully's my collecting dust over here? Oh no, doctor Lenchas, all
the most important games have been listed already, really really so well done,
producer, friends, But seriously, not a single mention of Knights of the
Old Republic to the Sith Lords. It was the game that introduced me to
everything that Cidian came to be known for, interesting narrative choices that really pushed
the envelope on what we traditionally saw in games and innovative gameplay, all of
course wrapped up in that sweet, sweet Obsidian jenk and frustration. I am
surprised. I often hear people say, oh, I like that more than
an original. At the time, that consensus and I didn't play it because
of this was largely it's it's not as good as the original and it's finished.
I thought the consensus was it's broken, don't even try it. Yeah,
there's too I think, which, to be fair, is also what
they said about another Obsidian game while out New Vegas, which is absolutely a
stone cold classic. Now right, Yes, that's just not a problem as
well. Here's the thing I think that's The Republic too, is also very
similarly a secret stone cold classic. The people, at least I think among
Star Wars fans that like really play a lot of the games, they couldsider
this one like some of the best storytelling when it comes to Jedi ever,
and I'm like, okay, I know I need to get around to play
yea. At some point, I'm just gonna have to like get it up
on PC, maybe make a stream out of it, and like get that
mod because I you know, I don't want to be bummed out at the
end because it's like, oh yeah, that's right. They didn't put it
ending in this game. I'm trying to enjoy it. Man, It's so
much better that they gave Green Bay hope and then crush them again. All
right, Isaac Clark, It won't make make you Haw's List, but Pokemon
Fire, Red Slash, Leaf Green single handedly got me through a second George
W. Bush administration. Oh god, stay tuned for Soul Silver and Heart
Gold and also Black and White. Those areas right, the Black and White
two are Yeah, those remakes that'll get us through the second Trump administration.
So we'll be all together crouching Boomer Hid and Zoomer. It's two thousand and
four. It's time to talk about Source Engine. Well, not a game,
it would service the basis for all of the physics and three D gaming
going forward, Half Life two being one of them. Don't worry. We'll
just celebrate Half Life two and that'll cover our basis. Mark says, half
Life two as well. Breakfast is Star Wars Battlefront. That's right, we're
doing this again. Ex altle Adam, what's up accellently saying Elae bet agents.
There's no way that's two thousand and four. Yeah, it's not two
yes four Exaddle Adams agents are gold be the agents rules. It's interests me
young me to some great songs. There's no lights two thousand and four.
But that's a fantastic game. Three. The DS just came out right next
year, trust me? Two six thats a six way off. That's okay.
I love that game so much. Did I like Dido when didn't come
out into Maybe maybe that came out Japan or something. That's the confusion.
Went on year you'd be number one? Yeah, whatever year Early Peaches comes
out, it's gonna be on the list. Don't worry, it'll be number
one. American Dragon ninety eight says Shadow Hearts Covenant. I don't play that.
Yeah, I never played that. I want to. I need I
definitely need to get it from now. I have the place you didn't do
set up? Which one is? Which one is? Shadow Hearts. It's
a it's turn based RPG with a bit more of like a gothic kind of
dark vibe, and it has the time Hits thing from Mario. Actually,
okay, people really like it. I do. I think I remember people
talking about I never really learned what it was, Corley poo. Everyone has
said the right answers while Halo two, Half Life two, et cetera.
But there's only one game that lets vind dies will escape from Butcher's Bay.
Which way is that? Yeah? I don't know. They don't say.
I guess one never finds Halo two. Mex says middle Gear Salad threes equal
parts fantastic in both its gameplay and story. Vision. Forty nine says this
is a futile effort. We're gonna throw Sly Cooper two band of these out
there. Listen. It's not sly Cooper's fault. It's our fault. It's
that's our fault. That's our bad. I feel I feel bad about Sly
Cooper. I just I don't know why I didn't play those games. I
clearly should. Boomerfield says, come on, y'all, it's two. As
of four, no one was playing anything else but Tales of Symphonia with the
player's choice yellow band at the top. This was before I had my big,
bigger jerrpyg Era. Actually, and I still played all of Tales of
Symphonio. Tales of Symphonia was super fun. Now, that's a super good
game, especially the original Gange version, which actually runs a sixty frames per
second. Boomerfield says, what an eye saw about the yellow band there at
the top? Wow, mine doesn't actually have that. I think I have
my original like newish cop both new at the time, like bought when it
came out, copy tost Symphonias. Though, this is the greatest show on
turf, Mike, this a Lions offense. Uh Diogo says, shout out
to San Andreas Clint. G two four was arguably the best year for simulated
football ever. ESPN NFL two K five was a product so GOODA literally had
to buy the exclusive NFL rights to keep Saga from eating their lunch man.
That's yeah, I'm sorry. I just said that's where we need to lean
a Cohn the most. Is that move right there? Yeah? I just
realized, Jeff, we've been podcasting for two hours and fifty minutes. We
might have to go get through the rest of these a little bit. Yes,
sleeping Debt says Lord of the Rings A third age, Clink says Slide
two. DMC says Battlefront and the SpongeBob SquarePants movie game Punish. Roso's another
one for ESPN, NFL two K five. J. D. Camp says
Medal Gear Salad three and Katamari Buggy Dillos says Mario Golf Advanced two or thinks
everybody who bowlds their game titles, by the way, that's yeah, NFL
Street and roller Coaster Tycoon three, hammons three as much three like the jump
to three D didn't do it for me. I preferred too. Yeah,
whenever people talk about those games these days, don't talk about three. They're
talking about like some for three they do. Okay, okay, we'll listen.
Everyone's got their own thing. Hammon of Texas says Half Life two.
He got to his forty two, says Paper Mario the thousand Year Door in
Halo two and then Turbo Shown says Jeff didn't sing his Jim Ryan song.
And one of the greatest games ever made is going to get snubbed. The
show snucks get zero missions, permission, give some time, Sean I have,
I have a treat for you when we're done today. Okay, so
don't worry, all right, Mike, Let's get back over to the list
itself. Fuck okay, yeah. Sid Myers Pirates, God man, it's
hard for me to like be like, well, if sid Myers Pirates came
out of a yar, that's obviously going to be in the top five.
And I'm looking at this list, it's obviously not going to be in the
top five. People don't talk about maybe as much as ninety eight, but
two thousand and four, it's ridiculous that game is so good, So Simier's
Pirates to this day, it's like, what I really want, what I
really wanted from Starfield? What's for it to be like sid Meyer's Pirates?
Just a little a space that you travel backboard between planets. You do something
on one planet, maybe you can buy some stuff in those because it's cheap.
You fly to another planet, you sell it, you go dance with
the governor's daughter or whatever. Like sid Myers Pirates is a perfect game for
me. I love them. But all right, Mike, I think that
World of Warcraft and Half Life two are definitely going to be in the top
five. So I'm just gonna move those up right away. I think they're
locks. Those feel like the locks. I also, uh, I probably
think that Paper Mario a thousand year door is a lock by lock, but
I think you go up there. I think the other lock for me is
probably snake Eater, right. Yeah, I know you have to kind of
take my word on next you even played it. Yeah, but I mean
yes, Listen, Whenever I people talk about the best milk gear solid games
of all time, three usually wins, So I am fine with that being
a lock as well. Oh god, Okay, So there are a bunch
of other games on here. I think for me, Mike, if we're
leaving Paper Mario a thousand and your door up there, the game I would
most want to put up there. Man, this is tough. I personally
would want to put Spider Man two up there. But I'm also good with
Burnout three, Takedown, and Deaf Jam Fight for New York. Those are
the ones that I probably feel strongest about that. Yeah, Burnout three is
speaking to me. I think you're gonna be mad that we're not just like
screaming about Sandreas. But I think me and you're both like a little cooler
on that than some people. Yeah, obviously San Andreas is a great game.
Yeah, obviously it's a big important game. I think we gave Vice
City dues even though like it's not our thing, but you know we're not
going to do that again. Yeah, I'll say, like all these games,
the one like maybe most want to boot up other than Deaf Jam Fight
for New York is Burnout three Takedown. I know I can have fun with
that right this second, right this, say, I go turn that on,
immediately start having fun. I'm okay putting Burnout three up there. Yeah,
but so like if Burnout three is number four, so you know number
five, Jeff, Like, if you I'll give you some leeway there,
if you wanted to do Katamari, if you want to do Spider Man two
instead of that, like I'll hear it out. Yeah. I think I
think I would actually put Spider Man two up there instead. The paper Mario
A thousand of your Door, Uh yeah, I And again it's because they
got it so right now. I guess they're all three thousand of year door.
But for me, it's not up there with a RPG or even Mario
Luigi Superstar Sock. I take it over, personal take I think like me,
and you were like you you're super star your door. Yes exactly,
it's fine. But yeah, I totally again, there's just a lot of
good games this year, all right, and the Expiderment two is just you
know, I don't know it was it was at that time. Man,
that was incredible. I think we're gonna probably get yoged at. We're gonna
be called boomers the most for Spider Man two, I expect, but oh
yeah, yeah absolutely, But oh well, we're right. We just thought,
like Mike, remember a lot of us grew up as Spider Man two.
You're good, Okay, I hope we'll see yeah, but yeah,
but you're you're getting old now too. There's a whole other group of people.
Wow. To never say that to Jan he does not accept it.
I'm like, man, what's happening? All right? Well then, okay,
here's what we have on the top five. It's number five Spider Man
two, then Burnout three, Takedown, Metal Gear, Solid three, Snake
Eater, Number two is World Warcraft, and number one is Half Life two.
Mike, I'm okay with the order of this list. I think that's
it. Yeah, I think that's right. I'm half Life two being number
ones because it's just supporting me. I respect that game, Jeff, I
have a lot of respect for Half Life two. That game just blew my
mind. I it took me a long time to stop thinking about that game
every day decades even. Yep, I really enjoyed Half Life two as well.
I don't know if I actually ever beat it, but for me,
it was like not one of those ones that I needed to be because I
was having so much fun with the physics system and messing around with that stuff,
and a bunch of times I've founded it so many times. I like
Half Left two a lot. Yeah, all right, well you know what,
I'm gonna post this list, so let's get people yelling that's what we
do here. And then while I'm doing that, mikey uh, what have
you been playing? Yeah? I tried Cyberpunk Cash twenty seventy seven. Uh
So, is it really the the growing impatience with games that like kind of
getting your way with the story, because yes, you're rubbing off on me
too much. It's I used to play so many story heavy games where people
just talk at me, and I was like, I'd like the characters,
and I like, just now I'm no, I'm like, why am I
not doing it anything? Maybe being on stream made it worse because it's like
sure, so I'm like I was like, I to I don't want to
talk over the dialogue. I was kind of sitting there and like waiting for
something and just see that it's you know, talking to me doing story stuff.
It's fine, Jeff. It really is so much just like face to
face of people giving you a list of other people's names and telling you how
you're gonna interrupt with these people and this, and like there were like twenty
names and I don't knowing these people and I'm not gonna remember them, and
it just got I. I can't exaspera. I actually kind of became angry,
and that's not usually how I feel playing the games, because my initial
first impression was pretty excited, like the character creator looks great, the game
looks really pretty kind of a star Field, which was disappointing to me,
as like, oh wow, this game looks so much better than the Starfield,
like this character actually moving around and blah blah blah. But then you
know you kind of get going in there. What's something that you say like,
Okay, yeah, this is definitely like a shockingly sterile world in terms
of there's very little you can actually interact with, so like, Okay,
maybe that that's fine, I guess, but even then it's like, well
the shooting is fun, is it? Then I wasn't shooting much again?
May if I get past that beginning. Yeah, I think if you started
building out your character to a very specific way, like if you invested a
lot in cool and make having cool sword techniques, or you have your katana
and you could deflect bullets, sure you're gonna like there's the game's definitely gonna
make you feel like you're very capable and very very cool. It's just it's
not it is. All that stuff is like, yeah, they did what
they had to do and it didn't didn't go above it in any real way.
And yeah, if you're not into the story, then there's not much
there for you. Now. I think later on you meet some really like
I think you would really be in the pan Am and some of the other
characters, like you know, like I met Judy and some character. Nay,
a lot of people are Judy the character. I get it, but
I just gotta be paced a little bit better than this. For me in
the beginning, especially right now, like I feel like that'st three hours I
could have spent like catching up on Bowlder's Gate three or like starting Assassin's Cream
Rage is one of these gate codes I have. Right, it was like
I was getting resentful. I don't blame him, and I think, I
don't know, maybe maybe you didn't encountering this, but I think the end
of the writing is a bit uh. That story is could be pretty good
sometimes, but the dialogue itself and it's not a lot. I almost There
was one point I tried to quick because I was doing like one of my
first like computer chip flashback things that I walked by some robot and he called
me. He said, you look like a he's a fuck meat or something.
Yeah, And I was like when I was all right at my lowest
and I literally like, okay, I'm gonna just save and quit, and
when it let me save for some reason, so I had to keep going.
I actually like that part I had to do there where I was like
rewinding it fast forward and like, Okay, I'm actually interacting with the game
again at least a little bit. Yeah. I walked into like some strip
club and what did it say back there like fuck till you die or something,
and I was like, oh, this is I get it. Yeah,
I get it games, I get it. It's very edgy. Well
I just remember Keiana Reeves just talking about his big cock. Am I okay?
All right? Kive also stowed us. It run very well for me,
like start doing a thing where every time I opened the menu like it
was or like eggs and the menu, the kid would be really slow for
three seconds or so and then like stop back into place. Eventually I was
like, I just I can't right now. I'm sorry. I don't know.
I'm just having a bad year with first person in role playing games.
Jeff yep. This, I mean, this is definitely another fork on the
Fallout tree. It really is. It's but I don't know. I feel
like it's also not quite there still for me either. I enjoy it more
than I did, and I still don't think it's a great game. It's
for me at this point, it's a fine game, good game in a
lot of ways. And that's after getting past a lot of this stuff,
that early stuff that you got to get past I was doing. I played
it for a review, so back then I was just like, I'm getting
through the stuff. I'm gonna find out what's going on here. I'll critical
past this until I could start get into some of the open role tass and
yes, and that was I don't know, I got over it pretty quickly
because I was like, I just want to see what the meat of it
is is here, and then when I learned there wasn't much to it,
especially back then, that's what really got me disappointed. What else have you
been playing? Yeah? What else? Indeed? I mean, gosh,
there was you know, we did our F zero thing and that was all
of fun. I've had to play fucking Mortal Combast Special Forces. That's not
fun, but entertaining. See if Stars is still my favorite thing I'm up
to these days. Jeff and I've been making pretty good problems with that and
it's still getting interesting. It's still getting exciting for me. So yeah,
just still really enjoying Seas Stars. I'll probably wait to say too much more
about that until I beat it, which I don't think is going to be
too much longer now. But really it's like thinking about all these things I'm
going to be playing and want to play catching up. You know, we
were doing the game as Game Club for October. We're gonna find out what
that is, I think on Sunday. So that's going to be either Pumpkin
Jack, which is like this spooky three D platformer, Amnesia the Bunker which
was this year, which is like I think World War One themed horror game,
and then the res Evil to remake or the Dead Space remake. So
one of those, I imagine those later two are probably favorites. So we'll
see. I beat Armored Course six and that's a really good video game.
I have fun. Yeah, I end up doing the path where you fight
Ari or Air however you say your name, okay, so yeah, you
fight the lady who's talking to you in your head all the time. Interesting,
very tough, yes, and it was I. I fought the handler,
I thought Walter at the end, right yes, right now, it's
probably had I realized what was going on and again, like kids were surrounded
and just NonStop, so I was like, well, okay, I don't
think it's super clear that like some of the missions are also making morality choices
or faction choices. There's like I was because that's one at the top of
the list. That's what I was doing. So that's how I ended up
doing that, and but it was like, okay, fine, I'm like
I have no problem with this, being like it's not necessarily the selection I
would have made, but whatever, I think. The real thing it's like,
had I known that if you go on one of the other paths,
you can get like a really cool suit of armor, and then you go
do New Game Plus with that suit of armor, with the with the armored
course, with that specific core, and it's like that makes this other fight
a little bit more trivial. I'm like, glad I might have done that.
That would have been fun to have, like the super powerful thing for
New Game Plus. It does just throw you right into New Game Plus.
And I started playing it like through it a little bit like man. And
then as soon as I yeah, it feels it just feels good to play.
But as soon as I died, I'm like, okay, I'll put
it down now. It is definitely in contention from my top five sort of
without a doubt. It's again that made me feel the coolest this year.
It is it's scratched that from itch of tough boss fights that I want to
conquer and so yeah, just overall, really really adore that game, and
it's still probably the most atmospheric game I played this year, which is really
surprising. I think that because this game that you could tell they didn't that
they save their money, they save their marbles and on, like not putting
a ton into cut scenes, and there's not a single human face in the
entire game. And yet I am totally enthralled with everything that's happening, and
I like one that's hard of this world focusing on like certain areas instead of
creating a whole universe of empty procedurally generated planets. It's making better. Yeah,
And Kevin say I didn't pay attention to the story like I was into
the story. I'm like, uh, yeah, I liked it. Actually
thought it's fun. Yeah, the what's his name? Calling you buddy and
then you rusty Buddy Rusty absolutely tune yes too, And like all those characters
and the like Hanner Walter, you've gotten having all that stuff going on.
I'm like, I still don't fully understand it, but I definitely appreciate all
this. I appreciate it. So yeah, I guess I did. I
forget if I played talked about Lies of p very much. I've been playing
that a bunch, not much. Yeah, yeah, so you seem to
be enjoying it quite a lot, a lot. I think it's actually really
fun. I mean, look, I'm not like a from super fan this,
you know, I played through Blood Born, like, yeah, it
feels like that. This is just that. Like the biggest difference to me
is that the levels are maybe a bit linear, past don't kind of circle
back the way that they may be doing Blood Born, so we're not as
intricate and maybe not as interesting, but also easier to follow because of that's
so that's a bus. But yeah, I think the Boss is really fun.
I even liked the aesthetic more here, where it's a bit less like
Victorian Werewolf and London horror and a bit more just straight up steampunk kind of
stuff like that works for me a bit more. The Boss has been fun.
You you were with me that one night we finished the ten Dogs and
I was just playing while as a pee and I ended up playing it for
like three hours trying to beat one boss, and it took me a lot
of time, but then it was really fun. The next day they nerfed
that buss, by the way, but it was really fun to fight that
boss and to finally figure it out and being really stubborn with Like my setup
right now is I have this giant wrench. I have like the biggest,
heaviest weapon. I usually like that ship and souls where it's like, I'm
gonna look for the one opening where i can swing this thing damage. I
don't know why I find that set. I like that too. Yeah that's
good. I like all the builds. But I know exactly what you mean.
I'm this game. I'm gonna give this a shot, absolutely good shot
start. It gets going real fast, uh, pretty well paced. So
yeah, I pretty really liked it. It's look I like it's look.
I like it's again it's atmosphere and it's setting is pretty cool to me.
Other than that, I think I'm probably gonna finish up Starfield here pretty soon.
I know you guys did the game club discussion. I wish I could
have hopped in on that. I got too busy tonight, but but yeah,
I'll finish that and then probably play lines of p I want to check
out see a Stars Mike. There's a lot of games out there. There's
three game codes again that we got. Yeah, you have to play Resideval
four all the way, and I gotta play Resival four well. And it's
almost October, so I really do start doing that. You say that line
one more time about how you've already played played I have already played it,
though, I will kill you. Sorry, I'm sorry that those are my
truths and my experiences. Different game with completely different mechanics and completely different boy,
different levels, like what, I don't know what else he needs to
do. It should be a different game. It's yeah, do love Resident
well before I do. It's like it's a gamey disc. I love it.
I love it Prime and it literally is sick. You were like a
pig and shit with that. Man, I should play Metrid Prime again.
And that's a good point, I know, I kind of. I can't
wait to get back to to resume. Before I will, I'll play that
start Separate Ways and it is it's more resil before. It's very good.
But I gotta got shit. I need to play Separate Ways. Fuck.
I need to like take a week off against right shit. That's I got
a couple of days off here coming pretty soon for it was actually my my
wedding anniversary is today actually, but we're going thank you very much. But
we're going on your wife you no, yeah, right, she's lucky to
have me. Your congratulations to her. Yeah. And then but it's like
her birthday next week, so we're kind of combining that. We're going out
to a cabin and I'll take some games with me, like it's part of
it. Like she's like, yeah, yeah, I feel free to just
like hang out and play some games, like it's about relaxing. But I'm
like, man, I don't know. Whenever I travel, I don't end
up playing that many games. So I'm like, I don't know if I
can afford to get behind on anything. I want to play games. I'll
take some stuff I'll see and maybe lies of pep will be the going because
I bet that's going to run good on ye. Yeah, we got some
more super chests, Jeff. Yeah, let's get the super chants and let's
get out of here, Darach, he says, working late tonight, Thanks
for keeping me company. Thank you the rachi oh grug, says Mike in
rare Form tonight, and he didn't even drink half a bottle of mescow.
Also, Jeff also does jeffd Di stream Sonic Superstars still you know he beat
it, stream some of it. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely will.
Slippery moose Cake says, how do you feel about Phil Molineux being the new
CEO of Sony Bad? Also, why do you think Sony delicted tweets about
the Coat War game? Because that game's not real? Is why? I
think. Yeah, Nick game's never coming out, That's why. And I
think at the very least Sony does not want to be involved with it anymore.
No Hitch says, our PlayStation pcports done with Ryan leaving. I wouldn't
imagine so Jeff that project of his, like, I don't think it was.
I think that was him just identifying another opportunity and that initiative is just
now in motion and he doesn't need to be overseen and it's not like he
was doing the coding. Yeah, that's it. Thank you everybody so much,
Thank you everybody. All Right, let's see, I'm gonna let's do
this real quick. It's not good, it's bad. I'm a bad singer,
but I said I would play it, So let's see if this is
the right one. I'll just start doing it and then we'll see what happens.
It's I gotta hear, I think, yeah, here it is all
right everybody again, just go easy on me. So bye, hey bye,
mister PlayStation guy. Big came trash and old games. You never were
shy saying games now cost seventy. I'm sorry, my guy singing. I
think it's time to say goodbye. I think it's time I say goodbye?
Do you like your bike? Why did you try to jump? Details me
so so? Mortal souls and Nat teach me how to dance? Pretty is
here? We wanted this contracts you from how bad this step by station?
Blue Lowly Sony you're up? QUI be the ratchet and Warhawk was out of
love the day? Ye? You're right all right? What's this fucking stale?
Jeff? Thank you so much, Sean, Sean, thank you so
much. Oh Christian, thank you. I really appreciate that. Mike,
you have you that you'd like to say, you're not invited to join my
turtles? Carolyn? All right, Mike, where can people find you on
the internet? You know? Yeah, but we've got this long yeah,
Koto it plays a check out check out Blake Club, Major Mitch Playing World,
coma Special Forces off fund, and also check out the f zero to
Hero with Jeff and I playing F zero ninety nine. It was a lot
of fun, a little great time time time. Hey Forte, what's up?
He's like, Jeff, what's going on here? And then uh,
I really like this one from Jean Jacket. Sometimes they harmonize get broken clock
right exactly? Yah man, thanks for watching everybody. I really appreciate it.
I have a lot of fun here tonight. A lot of fun stuff
happened over at John Bomb. Definitely check out all that stuff. We'll be
back with the last Nan ten Dogs on Tuesday. Look out for that,
Mike, let me take it forget tomorrow and tomorrow will Jeopardy Jeopardy, Jeopardy
tomorrow. That's right, well, and we'll premier last months for everybody else.
But yes, the patrons will get and watch the new one line.
I think I am going to be able to do this show next Thursday.
There's a chance I might not be able to, Okay, so figure something
out. I'm out on Friday for sure, but I might be busy on
Thursday getting ready, So we'll see. But I'll let you guys all know.
Probably we'll go for two hours and forty minutes again. But yeah,
probably not fucking unless Jim Ryan leaves PlayStation again, in which case I guess
we will. You know, he deserves that, He deserves our best,
Mike. Yeah, did I say, oh, it's just two two us
and for next week if we have this other thing. I don't even think.
I can't think today, Jim, I can't mean neither. That was
a really good idea. We probably think it's like, well, of course
we have to do that. That's the next year. Why didn't do anything?
Why don't you say anything? A Christian when you see something, say
something, you know what, that's a good idea. Might blame the labor
that always works it out well for people working al Tammy Tammy seems just fine.
Yeah, they have sure, but his up at his tree, just
hanging out of there. Motherfucker needs go back up at his tree. Tim
Sweeney, thanks for watching everybody. So next time, I have a good
one. Take care of yourself. Goodbye. What do you need to my
Jamie boy, my Dixie rect Jesus. All right, we are in the
app break. I'm gonna grab them real quick and we'll get started up again.
Yeah. I love Jackie t Let's fucking go bring him back. He
sence. He didn't even know what the fuck he wants doing all there?
You know, you know who they got bringing Christian? Who? What is
this? Jeff? Yeah? Bring him back? Yeah, it's sides,
switch sides. What is hey? The regendator? He knows? What's up?
Fuck? Yeah? Oh? By may a pizza? You know?
Yeah? Do you know wonder World? Freeboard? You know Freeland? Lay
down your weary head, blake down your weary head. I'm more of a
stable man kind of guy, to be honest, simple kind of journey.
You say, anyone love Journey? I saw Journey last year, the great
Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, I tell you because Journey nontil Journey because
they're very popular band. Oh you do. I'm sorry. I thought you
were insulting me. I take everything personally, insulting myself based mark for himself
an insulting. So what I want to say, No, that's just the
fact I don't know. That's an insult. Happen to my window. Yeah,
yeah, I'm fixing some stuff. I think I'm gonna get some.
You're gonna get some. I'm gonna get some. I'm gonna get it.
Get some, suck off, get some suck. Okay, Yeah, that's
all right. Actually, Sean, do you want to because we should probably
do that right after the super chats. The game chats will probably take another
break after that then wen't get to the games. That sounds good, all
right, let's do this. Sorry, the restroom sounds good. I'll get
a set up. Is this a break? We are on a break,
Hony, just show my ass to everybody. Probably it's a good cont probably
okay on YouTube. Alright, this is fantastic, thanks Sean, It's okay.
I could probably hating on Cyler Punk wasn't on my bingle car No,
definitely not. I thought he was manly dragging quest some a little surpriety.
In recent years he has been more like, oh, get on with it,
but like that, he's at a pretty extreme level with that stuff these
days, which I'm hate. Listen, I'm all fours. Yeah, that's
what they call a heel turn phase, or just he wants to piss everyone
off nowadays. Uh huhm. Did you see That's the only way you could
feel anything anymore? Yeah, bop, I'm very excited to show them this
one. No Jesus, I'm like very pale. I look like I'm getting
sick, but I feel great. Yeah you're white, bro, I might
be white. Winter is coming, so we're gonna tell you the ghost Okay,
I understand. That's pretty good. It's a pretty good, uh time
to look like a ghosts in October. Yeah, see, I'm my ghosts.
There are thriving, thriving, slain saying I'm sliving, living, living
and punching down. Oh yeah, I wouldn't know what punch them. I'm
a women of the people. Also, my neighborhood has had like five hundred
motorcycles today, So sorry, if that's clean through it all, I haven't
heard any of it. But man, what's what's what's up with motorcycle people?
Are they? Okay? Why? I mean? But they're always blasting
their music too. They're like the weirdest one old rock or a country,
not even classic rock, just old rock. It's like, yeah, it's
like the songs about a pickup truck and you're on a motorcyclist. It doesn't
make any sense. I'm gonna I'm against it. Do I have power over
this one? M okay? Am on the moment? Static image that's brito.
We can't bring something back up that was that was too much as it
was, Hey, we're doing two thousand and four, right, Yeah?
Was there a Was there a community prompt for the US? Yeah? Yeah,
for what? Okay, here, I'm gonna granted them. Cool my
camera auto focusing, I turn that off. Stop that probably because you like
unplugged it and then pluged it. I did do that on one point.
Ye. Also, the cable might be loose. It was flickering very intimatly.
I didn't fall over earlier. So it's a yeah that the right there.
That Chris Guy on voicemail dump truck today, Man, what goods like
a menace? Yeah, listen, I'm he's bothering me. They're bothering a
nice, hard working person like that. I don't know. I am kind
of obsessed. You can look into somebody's house like that and do that.
That's so unimpressed. It killed me. Yes, that was also very good.
Backlar's response was fantastic. Just no selling you like a pro. Yeah,
Backlard the complete opposite reaction, which was screaming, I don't worry like
that is the entire point of the TikTok. I'm making the contract. I
kind of cannot wait. Oh yeah, Backlar reaction that I did love was
him hearing his own voice when you play that clip today, so oh that
always yes his face lap, He's like what why am I talking? Yeah,
because it's like we're not clearly not expecting it, and he's like,
wait, what's this? Yeah? That's good stuff. All right, everybody,
we're gonna get back into this. Let me just make sure that everything
looks appropriates your name on the stream. You have a little friend there.
That's just a village talking bit. Those just buildings. Okay, let's get
into it. You know that's AI. Yes, I think you're funny.
Think you're funny. All right, we're back. Did the super chats that
that makes the time to do a game. I believe it'd be set up
the seat now for a game of the year too, so we don't have
to take another yep, sorry, been a few sounds good. All right,
Let's see a little when kitchen. Yeah, you'll have to crop this
one a little bit, Jeff, Okay, no problems, given me a
second. Everything on this ship is growth. I appreciate the contrast. Look
at it. Bob keeps things very clean. Wolf likes to just go all
in accept it for what it is, you're this is what you have to
deal with. Okay, over this overlay, I don't know what this overlay
is. It's like I looked it up and all the che I don't know
if this overlay. I think this overlay is on top of the browser overlay,
so nothing you would put unless you put it like over my face maybe
and that might show up. I don't know. I have to get the
sheets things set up a little bit separate. But it's a be ready to
go as everything's good, welf. We just had to change the scene a
little bit to get to fit just right. It's good, We're We're ready
to bring it back and I'm gonna do that right now. All right,
let's get this. That's the that's why that's not working. That's not even
the right scene. All right, there we go. It's a beer kicking
in. Yes, definitely solid. The Headgehog Adventures of lu Lu one in
two oh. I did forget to mention everyone, but this will probably be
at the end of the podcast. You're listening away to the end. Uh
the you got your submissions in before the first game, which I believe Alf
said was Assassin's Cream Mirage, which is just coming in a minute, right
soon here, Yeah, maybe even within the next week, so I'll probably
get your predictions in the order of the weekend. Okay, wasn't the Lords
of the Fallen? I think it was the Lord of this No, this
one, this one was supposed to be the Lords of the Fallen, and
then they nixed the and so now they're both Lords of the Fallen. Oh
that's fucking stupid. It's fucking stupid. The Lords of the Fallen was already
stupid. But I'm so sad because this is not the same people that did
those games. I think. I think it's a different people. Need to
check that out because I think it's it's a little studio. Maybe I don't
know. I haven't been following that too much. Yeah, they did well.
They did Lord of the Fallen one and two, and then they did
the Search one and two. The Search pretty good. I really like the
Search. I'm here, Sam, alright, what body did you jump into
this time? Okay? I think we are set up and ready to go.
Actually, I kill it, can I'll kill it because that I'll adjust
it from there. Put on bump bum one end two Harvest Moon I Okay,
I can't remember what he says after that. M got it okay,
calling June your math. Ninja got in one, Ninja got into Ninja got
in three. Say okay, I think we are ready to go. I'm
gonna bring us right back in. Everybody,