WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:35.079 Oh, hey there, welcome to Welcome a blurry flota. I didn't see 2 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.920 that. I didn't either, gentle listener stuck up on us with that play 3 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:44.359 button. Hey, so my name's My name is David Flora, and I'm 4 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:49.439 Dave's eecco and uh yeah, you're listening to blurry photos and we've we've got 5 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.640 a pretty pretty fun little episode here for you. Yeah, I hope that 6 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:57.679 you are sitting down. I don't think that you could run or jog or 7 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.759 perform regular job duty. You got a good job, though. If you're 8 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.200 listening to this while you're doing it, that's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's 9 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.519 pretty sweet. But you're gonna lose it if you try to do your job 10 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.200 and listen to what we've got for you today. But try anyway, because 11 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.959 stuff like that's fun. So what's what's been going on this week? Stucco? 12 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.719 Well, I mean trying to sleep because the terror that lives deep within 13 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.719 me from all the scary stories, right, That's that's been difficult, but 14 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.840 I managed to overcome it with liquor. Did you whatever happened to that costume 15 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.239 you were going to make? We had made a big deal about that on 16 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:38.239 passing man. I was working on it up to an hour before, and 17 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.879 I am very sad to report that I was trying to make an entire suit 18 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.599 of armor at a PBR cans and it just didn't come together enough. I 19 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.719 mean it's ambitious, very ambitious. Yeah, and I don't feel bad. 20 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.239 I mean I really I shot for the stars and and then you know, 21 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.640 you hit a moon right exactly. You know it was. It was a 22 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.000 good attempt, but I had a back up costume ready because I kind of 23 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.560 had a feeling it might not work out. But it was good. It 24 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.159 was a good week and I felt good about it. How was How was 25 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:14.280 your hollowness? I ended up going as Walter White from Breaking Bad, which 26 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:17.800 was phenomenal by the Yeah you saw that, Uh, and uh my girlfriend 27 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:25.120 went as Jesse Pinkman. Um all we were outfitted exclusively from my closet. 28 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.759 Um. She just put on my heavy winter jacket and jeans and a T 29 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.560 shirt. She was set. Yeah, that was amazing. And then I 30 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:40.840 just I put on some slacks and a button up and got some some real 31 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:46.080 pervy glasses from from my glasses collection. I dug them out, and uh, 32 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:52.000 you have a glasses collection. That's awesome. Yeah, I got to 33 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.240 see that costume and I was really impressed by it. That was that was 34 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.560 That was an awesome costume. I'll post them on the website. Absolutely other 35 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:04.759 important news this week, big big fun news. It's always is always a 36 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.879 good day when there's a new big foot sighting. This one comes from us 37 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.439 from the normally sedate and button down lands of Utah. There there is a 38 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:21.240 video that I'm sure you can find with minimal effort on the internets of a 39 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.039 couple who was out hiking and they could see something moving through the trees. 40 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:28.319 They took a great video of it. It's very unclear what it is. 41 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.599 It's a big like a dark mass basically, yeah, which they thought to 42 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:36.039 be a bear. So they were just being very quiet and watching it and 43 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.080 tell it stands up and looks at them, and there's a brief and things 44 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:45.560 that I love about this video. I consider it to be completely legit because 45 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.840 they just said run, run, run, and then boom and it's all 46 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.879 blair which video. As soon as it stood up and turned towards them, 47 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.479 they took off. Yeah, and all you see his feet and blurry leaves. 48 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.240 Yeah, absolutely, which is what people do. I respect that. 49 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.400 Personally, I'm gonna go with bear on this one. Sure, I think 50 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:09.280 it's a bear. There's there're a cool moment where you know, there's arms 51 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.919 that are visible, but bears bears stand up sometimes, especially if they're trying 52 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.839 to see what's the that that those two whispering things over there. Yeah, 53 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.680 yeah, no, I I'm inclined to agree, although I don't know, 54 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.279 you know how how much this area of Provo is a bear country. Yeah, 55 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.319 but I'll tell you what, man, bears are crazy. My home 56 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.600 in Colorado Springs that I grew up at, we still get bears. I 57 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:41.680 mean like and not even rarely, no rare bears. We get we we 58 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.160 you get a bear maybe two three nights a week. Sure it could be 59 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.759 it could be a bear. It's not conclusive enough either way, really, 60 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.920 which is what makes it so much fun. But see, we win regardless 61 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.360 because it's it's you know, the front of Yahoo. It's a fast nating 62 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.079 thing and people like talking about it. And anytime people are talking about it, 63 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.839 I'm happy. And I know there's a lot of guys out there they're 64 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:12.240 like that ain't no squatch. Those guys need to shut up. That could 65 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.199 be squatch. Yeah. The fact of the matter is if you weren't one 66 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:16.720 of the two guys there, even the two guys that were there, don't 67 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.839 know what it is, right, and they're they're the closest ones that that 68 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:25.920 would know what it was. But one of my favorite things about the unexplained 69 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:30.519 and when people run across the unexplained, is that it's the unexplained. It's 70 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.360 got that name for a reason. Yeah, I mean, it is genuinely 71 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.759 mysterious. And they were there and they're not sure what happened. That's awesome. 72 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.839 Yeah, Well, let's let's have some more some more vague vagueness in 73 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:46.360 our lives that were so confident and sure. So in the interest of keeping 74 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:50.079 the vagueness in your life, of raising your blood level of insecurity or unsurety. 75 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:54.959 No, unsurety, Well insecurity makes it sound like we're like, you 76 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.360 know, you probably don't look as good as you think. You tried, 77 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:02.160 you break all the mirrors in your half try and then and then throw the 78 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:09.600 shards in a throwing stream at midnight exactly after seven hours. Um no. 79 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:15.160 Uh. I went a few months ago to beautiful New York City, which 80 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.800 is not had a good week. Oh, yeah, um, and so 81 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.279 I hope the best for it for everyone. That was our thoughts to everybody 82 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:27.160 on the sea coast there. That's it's not some not something you want to 83 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:31.839 go through around A nice hamis absolutely nice. What a what a nightmare for 84 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.399 those people. But it seems like it seems like they've they've already started rebuilding, 85 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.639 you know, they they've gotten the power, the power back absolutely, 86 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.000 you know, those things are getting taken care of. So I hope the 87 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.000 best for those people. I was there in better times, a simpler time. 88 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.319 This next week, I'm going on a trip myself in our next episode 89 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:57.399 will revolve around around that idea, which I'm not going to tell you listeners, 90 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.720 because I wanted to be fun, fun little secrets. It's gonna be 91 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.519 great. I might, I might, I might drop a hint towards the 92 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.800 end of the show, but we'll leave that for then. But speaking of 93 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:15.600 that, we're going to fashion today's episode all around your your trip to the 94 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.600 Eastern seaboard there absolutely Like I said, you know, there's so many great 95 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:25.000 things in New York City to investigate, and I was too busy drinking to 96 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:33.399 do that. Um. However, a classic American homegrown corn fed presumably lobster 97 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:41.639 lobster fed American cryptid. The Jersey Devil Jersey devil, Oh man, Yeah, 98 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:46.480 we're gonna gonna bring you some some good, rich old facts and hearsay 99 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.680 about about this creature. Absolutely, you know what I mean. I understand 100 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:54.920 David that your your dedication to the science of this is important. But man, 101 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.279 I'm just here for the hearsay. I just want I just want rampant 102 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:03.000 speculation. That's fine with me because a lot of times and you'll see this 103 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.920 today, you'll hear this today. Rather, that's all we have to go 104 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.720 on. Yes, rampant speculation. Why don't you Why don't you kick it 105 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.079 off for us? Tell us, tell us what the old Jersey Devil is. 106 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.360 Jersey Devil has been something that has been around for over one hundred years 107 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:24.600 at I mean, I mean under the barest of circumstances. Two. Yeah, 108 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.360 I mean it's it started out being called the Leads Devil. And why 109 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.519 is that it was? The legend has it that there is a woman named 110 00:08:31.559 --> 00:08:37.519 Mother Leeds who had twelve kids. This was in seventeen thirty five, Yes, 111 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.039 and uh, and she was was considered to be a witch. Interest 112 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.240 in the in the neighborhood, and she declared that should that she was, 113 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.000 she would only have twelve normal kids, and that if she had a thirteen 114 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.120 child, it would be the devil. And remember thirteen. Around this time, 115 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.000 people are big into superstition. Thirteen is a very unlucky number. Yeah, 116 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.799 and yeah, this thirteen kid would apparently be be the devil or and 117 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.759 there's well, we'll get into this a little bit later, but there's some 118 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:16.480 hearsay that the father itself was the devil, right, but anyway, continue. 119 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.600 I would also like to point out that once you get into the double 120 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:24.279 digits and kids, they're all the devil. It's true. Sometimes you don't 121 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.039 even need that. So she had a kid, and it was horribly malformed, 122 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.840 and it was I mean, you're here conflicting accounts. By some accounts, 123 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:39.639 it grew very quickly and it took off off into the countryside, whereupon 124 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.600 it would terrify people, but not in the most direct manner. Is not 125 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.080 as as cryptids go. I mean, even even Teddy Roosevelt swore a bigfoot 126 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.159 tried to kill him once. Yeah, this guy, he seems more interested 127 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.840 in just spooking people and being more staying out of yeah idea, right, 128 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.879 Yeah, he seems to want no part of anyone. Like most of the 129 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.279 information you get is of oh I heard, you know, it's a brief 130 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.919 people see it so briefly. It's it's speed is one of its its main 131 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:15.240 attributes, something people often remark upon. Yeah, so so this this Jersey 132 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:20.000 devil descripted it's said to live in the pine barrens of southern New Jersey. 133 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:26.480 Yep. There there's a ton of different descriptions that people have of it because 134 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.879 of there's been so many sightings and everything is unconfirmed. Nobody has any real 135 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.679 proof for evidence, So you're gonna get this hodgepodge of you know, what 136 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:41.279 this thing is is gonna look like. But the classic interpretation or view of 137 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:48.000 the most popular version is that it's it's a creature that has a dog head 138 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:54.879 but a horse's face. It's got horns, it's got batlike wings on it, 139 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:00.559 small arms with hands that have claws on them. It's got a forked 140 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:05.840 devil tale and cloven hoofs. So it's it's a it's a real hodgepodge of 141 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.200 all kinds of stuff and the thing, the thing's supposed to stand, well, 142 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.440 that those are reports conflict as well, because right, some say it's 143 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.519 about seven feet tall, others say it could be you know, anywhere from 144 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.120 three to five feet tall. And again, because people see it so very 145 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.559 briefly, this is not something that you know unlike you know, we get 146 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.279 things like the Mothman, where it seeks some sort of not conflict, but 147 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.879 some exchanger or another. This hasn't wants nothing to do with anyone, right 148 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.240 instantly flees and uh and it's it's interesting. The history of the area of 149 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.159 the Pine Barons area of New Jersey, there is some precedent that maybe this 150 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.600 the Mother Leads version of the story. Notwithstanding, there could be a crypto 151 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:52.200 that has always inhabited that area. The local Native American tribe, the I 152 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.600 think that was the what is it, the Lenani Lenape, Yeah, the 153 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.320 Lenni Lenape tribe, the name that they had for the Pine Baron's region. 154 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.600 She translates to the place of the dragon. Yeah weird, right, which 155 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:09.159 which is pretty pretty interesting. And even the early Norse, the Norse explorers, 156 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.080 the Swedish explorers also called it a drake kill, which is a means 157 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.440 a dragon, dragon water dragon river. Yeah, yeah, real, real, 158 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:24.639 interesting stuff. I mean, I think it's I think it's really the 159 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:31.759 most interesting thing is that both the Swedes and the Native Americans refer to a 160 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.440 dragon being there or some type of dragon thing, and then we get, 161 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.679 you know, something later that that is described having bat like wings, in 162 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.720 a fordtail, you know, things and things like that. The rest of 163 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.360 the stuff isn't really dragon like, maybe horns, but you don't usually hear 164 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:52.200 you know, your your dragons having horse faces or um cloven hooves. But 165 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.559 you know, that's something that didn't actually occur to me until just you know, 166 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.440 while you were reading the description of this or the popular a phenotype for 167 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.840 it. You know, while we read this, you know, we have 168 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.320 pictures and we've seen these things that almost kind of cloud our minds, like 169 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.639 we have this, oh well that was the picture of it. Now you 170 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.039 describe it. But just listening to you describe it, it sounds a lot 171 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:20.559 more like the body type of say a raptor like interest Jurassic Park style, 172 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.320 large dog, elongated head, very small forearms, yeah, you know, 173 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.759 long long legs, tail, Yeah, you know these you know, I 174 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:37.519 mean, obviously people see it briefly, but at just an auditory description kind 175 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.919 of fits in that area, and that would certainly be considered a dragon by 176 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.720 that's true. That is true. And and you know we already have our 177 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:50.200 friend nessa over in lock ness who's supposed to be that's still alive today, 178 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.840 which which they haven't they have improved or disproved, right, Um, so 179 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:56.600 who's to say it, you know, we only have raptors in the Pine 180 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.720 Barons running around? Yeah, I mean the Pine Barons is huge place, 181 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:05.960 right, It's it's actually just an immense amount of forests in southern New Jersey, 182 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.519 which a lot of people don't know about because you know, you think 183 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.799 of Jersey, you kind of think of the armpit of New York or or 184 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:18.799 you know, something something to where it's real grimy and urban. But New 185 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.679 Jersey is actually a really beautiful place. It's actually called the Garden State. 186 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:28.480 It's called the Garden State everyone willfully but yeah, the Pine Bearn's apparently a 187 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:33.759 nice place to go camping, and to my knowledge, a lot of it 188 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.279 is unexplored. Still. You know, there's a lot of places that people 189 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.919 just haven't haven't been to, and they're just because it's so immense. Yeah, 190 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.879 look it up. Look it up for yourselves and see some pictures of 191 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.840 it. It's it's a pretty looking place. But yeah, back to back 192 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.440 to some of the legends. There are almost as many legends as there are 193 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.600 descriptions of the devil itself, and a lot of them, you know, 194 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.480 Like you said, the mother lead story is the most widely accepted of them. 195 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:05.559 Even that story has, you know, multiple tellings of it, because 196 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.360 I heard a couple that one one of which she wasn't a witch. She 197 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.320 just was so I guess angry that she was going to have another kid, 198 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:22.080 dang it that uh, she she actually said the devil can take it. 199 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.200 And and then that's that's when, you know, that's when it happened. 200 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:39.320 Ye fire, Um, that was just the town preacher. That wasn't the 201 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.480 great would it be if you could summon the devil like that? And then 202 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.960 the night that she gave birth, it was a stormy night, you know, 203 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.679 and all this nice like ghost story type setting and stuff, and and 204 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.759 then the child was born normal and then quickly just changed form. It morphed 205 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:04.559 into this this horribly disfigured either humanoid or this this creature that we described, 206 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:11.480 and then it either there's some some stories say it it killed the midwife and 207 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.360 they flew up the chimney. And there's some stories that say it it killed 208 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.120 everybody and ate everybody and then flew up the chimney. It's just it, 209 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.799 you know, there's it sounds like a story you tell your kids so they 210 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.080 don't go wandering off in the woods. Yeah, the chimney seems unnecessary, 211 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.240 but everybody had a chimney, so yeah, and walt, better way for 212 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.159 a creature from hail to get out than the place where the fire is. 213 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.679 You're not gonna go out the winder m he's just Chip's trying to go home. 214 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.120 He's as scared as you want. Well, it's just born. It 215 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.840 doesn't know how to use a door knob yet, although if it was a 216 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.519 raptor, it would have used the door. That's true. So man, 217 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:56.600 there's there's there's clever girl stuff for its close stuff again it um there's actually 218 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.879 a pack of Jersey devils. They go out hunting and one of them just 219 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.480 stares at you. Yeah you, oh, absolutely, that's why you don't 220 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.319 mess with the journeys devil. Now people have messed with the Jersey devil. 221 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:15.200 Devil It's like I saw him in the meadow Land. That was a kick 222 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:22.400 ass show. Oh late at night when the wind house you can hear that's 223 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:34.119 right, it's mournful cry. All right. Sorry, So what we're saying 224 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:41.039 people have have messed with the Jersey Devil. I mean people have had fairly 225 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:45.720 confrontational interactions with it. As a matter of fact, there is a legend 226 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:52.759 that commodore Stephen Decatur saw this bad boy on the wing flying around and was 227 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:57.759 like, hey, hand me that cannon. Nailed it. He claims to 228 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.960 not only have hit it with a cannon, but that it showed no effect. 229 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.559 Nothing happened. I think Stephen Decatur saw the Jersey Devil and is not 230 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.880 a very good shot with a cannon. Yeah, you give him, you 231 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.319 give him that much credit. See. I think he may have just been 232 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.680 like a little a little unhappy about what was going on in the war, 233 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.720 and uh, you know it was it was drinking, drinking what he found 234 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.000 in mother Leed's medicine cabinet there. Oh, I see where you're going there 235 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.680 now. The other part of the story that doesn't terribly add up is that 236 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:36.480 it seemed that the commodore was visiting the Hanover Mill works to oversee the production 237 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.319 of cannon balls. I mean, but they have a cannon there, they're 238 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:45.960 just making cannonballs. Well, I mean they may, they may, yeah, 239 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.960 And I mean unless there's a whole other that's a whole other place. 240 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:53.839 And this this, this also gets into a kind of a historical quandary. 241 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:59.079 I mean, since there were no flying machines at the time, it's not 242 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.400 like there's a lot of reason to say, well, how good we're cannons 243 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:08.440 it shooting down aircraft. I imagine a cannon to be maybe the next worst 244 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.799 thing to a super soaker for trying to shoot a flying creature, and the 245 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.440 super solker at least you get a steady stream so you can adjust, right. 246 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.240 You just mean, yeah, how are you getting That's I just think 247 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.319 that the commodore was like, no, I totally hit it, but it 248 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.559 bounced, it bounced off. We should go down and have some of more 249 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:36.920 of my lord's ale. I'm a commodore, damn it. Yeah. Yeah, 250 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:41.920 especially well, it doesn't nothing says how close it was to him at 251 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.720 the time, But I'm guessing if he sees it flying around, especially something 252 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:51.519 that's you know, between three and seven feet tall or long, it's not 253 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.160 a very big target to hit, especially when speed is supposed to be its 254 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.480 ally right anyway, that's yeah, that that is a pretty silly siding, 255 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.480 but one of the earliest. Yeah, also of notable us. We have 256 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:11.000 a celebrity sighting. Oh yeah, Harris Hilton almost almost the brother. This 257 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.839 is this is a hell of a thing that I didn't actually even think about. 258 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:22.480 Frank Stallone. Frank Stallone, Roger Clinton no u, the brother of 259 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:29.920 Napoleon Bonaparte. Joseph Bonaparte lived in Jersey. Yeah, right now, this 260 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.759 was this was well after the revolutionary times. This was around eighteen twenty. 261 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.359 Yeah, I mean, but still, you know, my brother was the 262 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.799 emperor for like twenty minutes, guys, and married a woman named Josephine. 263 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.759 Yeah, weird. Anyway, they were into that in that family. He 264 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:51.119 claims to have witnessed that. He claims that he saw the Jersey Devil while 265 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:55.720 he was hunting on his his state. So he had in a state in 266 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:59.240 Jersey. I didn't even know that we were letting Bonapartes in. And you 267 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.200 see this is why we need border reform. Just any family of the emperor 268 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:08.079 can just fly in here take over some pine barrens. Yeah, and see 269 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:15.240 maybe maybe that's maybe the Jersey Devil's protecting us. Yeah, he's interesting. 270 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:21.119 It's like our unofficial border patrol was like first Department of Homeland Security. Yeah, 271 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:22.559 he's like, it's like he's getting shot at by zone because it's like 272 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:29.200 sasquatch in the North Jersey Devil got, the has the eastern seaboard, Supercabras 273 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:33.160 got. Yeah, they've got the southern border and uh, I don't know 274 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:38.839 what's about. Carlos might see it. It's California now, so yeah, 275 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.440 he says he saw it. I mean there were Now this also gets into 276 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:48.160 some interesting and potentially UFO crossover blamed for some animals, some catamutulation. It's 277 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.839 true, that's true. Apparently one of the things about the Old Devil is 278 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.920 that it was blamed for some livestock killings, and as as the sightings persisted 279 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:04.319 up into the twentieth century, it was also blamed for some pet mutilations and 280 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:08.880 some of the you know, crappy stuff like that killing killing animals and eating 281 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.359 them or just leaving them for dead, which is too bad. Yeah, 282 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.720 but at that time, I mean, like, I'm surprised people made note 283 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.359 of it. My my belief in history is just like, if you go 284 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:23.559 back a hundred years, it's just dead animals everywhere and people wearing pelts and 285 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:29.599 children making shoes. They but they needed those animals to make all that stuff. 286 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.599 Yeah, so that was what basically was worth stuff. So who's making 287 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.880 Who's complaining? You're like, hey, I can I make half a shoe 288 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.000 out of that? I'm not mad. I don't know. I'll tell you 289 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.319 who's not complaining, Jimmy, the one legged I am. I would make 290 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:52.519 the world's worst time traveler. I mean if if I if I go anything 291 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:55.880 like yet a hundred years back in time and I'm positive that we all have 292 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.000 typhoid and that every animal is there to be kicked or l like. I 293 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.799 not a good I have no I went to public school. I did, 294 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:10.640 so history never came alive for me. We didn't have that back then. 295 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.400 I didn't have television back then. Every time I think about going back in 296 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:18.920 time, I just think of installing myself as like some omnipotent emperor and making 297 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.039 everyone my slaves, because you know, you know what's what's going on, 298 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.519 you know it barely. I couldn't even perform like a miracle. I wouldn't 299 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.680 be able to like advanced medical science. I mean what I bet you could. 300 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.839 All you have to do is tell them and wash their hands. Yeah, 301 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.480 if you go back far enough, that's true. I guess I just 302 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.400 have to keep going far enough back to where I'm smarter than the people. 303 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.400 Ever, that's what. Two thousand years, three thousand years, and then 304 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:49.200 I'm smarter than everybody. Some uppity Greek shows me up with math, and 305 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:56.839 I gotta get back in my time machine to go further back and kill him. 306 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:59.319 Yeah, I'll show you. Never mind, I'm going to make a 307 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:07.480 great time traveler. Uh. So we come to about nineteen o nine, 308 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:12.720 big year for the Devil for the guy mid January, and all of a 309 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:18.480 sudden we get hundreds of encounters of the Jersey Devil that that people are claiming 310 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.000 to see him and interact and run into and stuff enough so to where the 311 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:29.799 fervor, uh and the the the fear of this thing closes schools and some 312 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.240 businesses because people didn't want their children going out, and they didn't want to 313 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.240 go to work, didn't want to you know, get picked up by this 314 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.000 thing. That's awesome. I love that. I mean, I ending pretty 315 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:47.079 heavily towards just mass hysteria. I mean, it's it's January in Jersey. 316 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.880 People are indoors a lot. There's not a lot of going on outside. 317 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.359 You know, Christmas is over, so everyone's a little bummed. Yeah, 318 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.640 try to whip up a little fear about Look at that, damon, I'm 319 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:03.000 gonna get you. And but I love the idea that some school administrator had 320 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:11.279 to say about we're closing this spirit on account of demons. That's it. 321 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:17.039 It's it's great. I mean people people claim to have the things corpse, 322 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:22.039 you know people some people. I think there was one person that dressed at 323 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.240 Kangaroo up to to have people come. And you know, I don't pay 324 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.440 a nickel to see to see it, you know, the Jersey Devil. 325 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.759 There are reports of people seeing tracks and um hearing screams, you know, 326 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:38.839 and it's a real consistent thing people always talk about. It's scream and it 327 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:45.039 is not like a haunting moan. It is a shrill piercing Yeah, pretty 328 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:49.920 inhuman and not of animal origin. Seems like yeah, it seems seems like 329 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:56.119 a weird combination or such. But there are plenty of animals that make weird 330 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.480 sounds if you're around them enough. And no, you know, like deer 331 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.000 can make weird sounds. But now I think that you did try to gin 332 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:10.119 up one yourself. Let's play it right now, that's all right? Oh 333 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.440 no, if I could just have gotten you to be quiet for two seconds, 334 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:18.359 you would have tacitly accepted that you were gonna make up big Jersey devil 335 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.559 screaming play it. I do, I do have one. I'll play it 336 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:30.160 now. Pretty pretty charity, pretty scary stuff. That's my new ring tone. 337 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:37.319 You know, all that is is like me and my dog. That's 338 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:42.640 the best I like that where I like teamwork game. So yeah, nineteen 339 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:48.039 o nine was the big year for it, and then you know, the 340 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.160 stories kind of died off a little bit, but each kind of decade from 341 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.359 there on after had its share of sightings, you know, kind of ebbed 342 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.880 and flowed as it were. It does seem to go cyclically, and even 343 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.960 that is incorporated into the legend of it. There was was there an account 344 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.160 of that a priest exercised it for a hundred years? Yeah, yeah, 345 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:14.200 back back a little a little bit after it started, after it was born. 346 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.400 Basically it was like you know, twenty fifty some years after it was 347 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:23.680 born, this priest exercised it, and I guess only gave it the cheap 348 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.559 version, right, like, oh, I ran out of holy water right 349 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.000 towards the end. We won't be around in a hundred years. Let's let 350 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:37.400 our children's children to deal with it good enough. And then it came back 351 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.680 and started terrorizing again. I probably did it on purpose so people would be 352 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.960 so he knew. He's like, you know, in two generations, it's 353 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:51.400 gonna be a priest with a job. So it's job security for the Catholics 354 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:56.039 in the area. I mean, it's it's funny because the sightings by Bonaparte 355 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.279 and Decatur and all those happened in betwixt the time that it was supposed to 356 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.640 be exercised, so that that's a that's a weird story to come out of 357 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.200 nowhere. But it does seem like a lot of people are trying to cash 358 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.519 in on on this, this thing. Yeah, this one. This has 359 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:18.519 such a feeling of like willful complicity, like everyone really wants the devil to 360 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.920 be around. Yeah, it's it's sort of a prideful thing. Now, 361 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.720 I mean, you people chose this as the name of their hockey team. 362 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.839 When the NHL, you know, had had a team in Jersey, people 363 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.640 chose the name Devil's for it. Um so, so I think there's a 364 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.079 there's there's a weird fear mixed with a weird pride about the Jersey. It 365 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:47.359 sounds cool. Sure, Sure. I mean, if if you've got something 366 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:55.720 that that is some conglomeration of all kinds of animals and could be Satan or 367 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.920 of Satan, and it's in your home state and your home state ownly, 368 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.799 I guess you would be a little little little prideful of that. Well, 369 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:11.599 and you know, consider New Jersey's cultural exports historically mafia violence. Oh yeah, 370 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.759 I have a promise to myself to make no Jersey shore jokes, but 371 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.599 I am referencing them now. You look at the cultural exports of New Jersey 372 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:26.319 and the thirteenth Misshape and Child of a Witch is literally the most palatable one. 373 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.359 It's the one that people can most get behind. Well, I think 374 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.039 people can get behind John Stewart too. Is he is he a Jersey guy? 375 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.000 He's a Jersey guy. But I see where you're going with that. 376 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.400 Yeah, I think, I mean it is it sounds cool. Jersey devil 377 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.079 look out. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does kind of 378 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.200 roll off the Tom huh. We actually we both have a couple of friends 379 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.240 here in Chicago that are from New Jersey. I went ask them, you 380 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.599 know, if they had any stories about it, because you know, if 381 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.119 you if you're from New Jersey, you obviously know everyone else in New Jersey, 382 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.039 and everything that happens there happens to you two. For our listeners who 383 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:11.039 are taking detailed notes, this is our first interview. Oh yeah, our 384 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.920 first interview. Not on the mic though, right right, but it happened 385 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.680 in person. Was asked questions, this is this is very true, and 386 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.720 the results of that interrogation are now for you to hear. And then they're 387 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:30.359 they're not They're not terribly scary or detailed you know stories. I guess scary 388 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.400 is probably the wrong word, because it could be scary. But they each 389 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.440 did have something to to relay about the Old Jersey Devil. Our friend Tom 390 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.279 said that his mom and his sister and he, I guess, we're camping 391 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.519 in the pine barrens, and his mom and his sister went for walk through 392 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.759 the woods, just you know, like you do when you're camping, and 393 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.799 they came across this old, dilapidated shack and from from what he said, 394 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.759 it sounded like it was maybe something like a hunter's shack, you know, 395 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.960 where they just go to chill out for a little bit. Not not a 396 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.880 fully functioning house, you know, or anything like that, but was definitely 397 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.000 an abandoned place. So it was it was kind of creepy in its own 398 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:15.279 right. And then he said as they as they left the shack, they 399 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:21.079 all of a sudden, there was this huge creature that that ran towards them 400 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.960 and they from what Tom said, they described it as just a huge dog, 401 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.960 and they said, you know, it scared the crap out of them. 402 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.119 And then the dog, I guess stopped before it got to them, 403 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.400 you know, and just sort of stared them down kind of thing. And 404 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.480 he said that his mom and his sister just sort of slowly backed away and 405 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.400 then left, and the dog, I guess didn't follow them. It's it 406 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:52.480 stayed there. But but he said that that that's kind of the closest Jersey 407 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.640 Devil story that he and his family have. And I think the reason that 408 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:04.200 that they related to the Jersey Devil is it sounded like they weren't exactly sure 409 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.920 that it was a dog. They said it sort of almost looked lying like 410 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:13.799 in a way as well. So basically because it's under the umbrella of Jersey 411 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:19.480 Devil is because it was kind of unidentified, and it happened in New Jersey. 412 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.200 It happened in the pine barrens around a scary shock kind of thing. 413 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.240 You tell the story in Maryland, you got yourself a goat man. Oh 414 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:31.599 man, oh you you you just you just pop the cherry of just wait 415 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:36.519 for it. So the goat man, the goat man will come back. 416 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:44.119 But I wanna I'll get to our other story. Our friend Mel actually she 417 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:52.119 said her her mom in the sixties would drive up and down Maniloaking Road and 418 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.599 I guess her and her friends would look for the devil. And I don't 419 00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.079 know she she didn't, she didn't say this, but I did see some 420 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.519 some stuff online where it said at one point, and I think it might 421 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.480 have been in the sixties, they offered like a ten thousand dollars reward. 422 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.559 Yeah. I ran about that. Yeah, people wanted they wanted a proof 423 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.960 of it, they would approve. Yeah, And they were even promising to 424 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:16.720 not kill it. You know, they were going to put it in a 425 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.160 zoo or something, but they wanted this proof, so they offered its reward. 426 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.640 So I don't know if if Mel's mom, you know, if that 427 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.799 was what their intent was, or if they were just getting a thrill out 428 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.799 of out of looking for it. But apparently driving up and down this road 429 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:36.200 where you know where sightings had been one night, she said they saw eyes 430 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:43.720 in a tree and it was real, real creepy, but they kept looking 431 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.000 at it and looking a little closer. She said that that she swears they 432 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:52.319 saw a noose hanging in the tree and then it either took off or maybe 433 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.559 they took off, but some pretty harrowing stuff. Yeah, that's kind of 434 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.240 creepy. That's a good creepy story. But you know, and I love 435 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.119 that. I love the idea that it's a it's a cultural thing to New 436 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.839 Jersey, you know, like let's pack a bunch of checks in the car 437 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.320 and go looking further for the devil. For the devil pretty fun. And 438 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:13.920 that's another thing that is associated, like the screams. Having some glowing red 439 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:20.079 eyes is a big thing that people kind of say when they claim to have 440 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.679 spotted it, which is interesting. Do you know where we've heard that before. 441 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.880 Absolutely see you tell this story in West Virginia, got yourself, got 442 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.559 him off man. Now that that leads us to some of the explanations of 443 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.199 maybe what the Jersey Devil may be. If it's not, you know, 444 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.639 a spawn of Lucifer himself. If anybody says that it's a crane, I 445 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.880 am I'm furious because that they blame everything on crane's I'll tell you what they 446 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.280 say. It's a sandhill crane. God, I knew it. They say 447 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.480 it as a sand hill crane. The same thing they say them off man 448 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:59.960 is see you know what, not only is that a disservice to cryptozoology, 449 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.920 it is it is a disservice to ornithologist everywhere. It is a disservice to 450 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.559 the majesty of the sand Hill crane, which is a beautiful bird and a 451 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:14.480 beautiful, tall, glowing eyed, creepy bird. Right, it's not fair 452 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.519 and it's dumb to call it that. I am officially calling it dumb. 453 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:22.199 And I want anyone who's listening who thinks that they've seen the Jersey Devil and 454 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.760 they're like, you get yourself a crane, call me I will. I 455 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.920 will never post my phone number. But you'll if you have seen the sand 456 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.199 Hill crane. I'm sure you're clever. You've bet a form on the on 457 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.039 the site that you can contact us at least. Yeah, tell me, 458 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.599 tell me what a dumb person I am for for saying that it is absolutely 459 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:43.559 not a crane. I hate the crane excuse. It's so weird that this 460 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:49.519 crane is the excuse because of the glowing red eyes, because it's got that 461 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.360 that red and and the hype and the height of it. Yeah, I 462 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.559 mean the little picture that that the Jersey Devil has floating around that that is 463 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.119 the most common picture of it does have Sandhill crane type legs, just if 464 00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:07.360 you put a horse hoof or or something or maybe pig feet I don't know 465 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.599 what cloven hooves on there. Whatever. Yeah, but the legs of it 466 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.320 definitely do make look a crane. Mic But that's just somebody's rendition, right, 467 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:22.599 No, that's the thing. They don't have to The crane just irritates 468 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.559 me. No one is afraid of a crane ever, apparently. I mean, 469 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.800 if these things are are as big as they say, and it's night 470 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:31.639 and this thing just flies in front of your car, it might be a 471 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.719 little freaky, but you know what, when renting a car, that's what 472 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.639 I'm doing on my vacation, driving up and down Jersey, waiting to get 473 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:45.760 freaked up by a crane. I'm a man enough to admit if I ever 474 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.239 get spooked by a crane, I will make sure that everyone knows that it 475 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.760 happened, and I will apologize to all the people who are afraid of cranes. 476 00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.119 Yeah, it's becoming the excuse djure of these cryptid It's like, well, 477 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.440 can't explain it. So it's a sand hill crane, right, swap 478 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.559 gas, sand hill crane, swap gas. They're the same thing, same 479 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.679 thing. It's that that's that red face that you see glowing. Yeah, 480 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.360 it's it's sand hill crane. It would be a much cooler bird if it 481 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:20.559 glowed, you know, the chibcabra. Actually, uh, it's it's a 482 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.199 sand hill crane that that flew to Mexico. It just started sucking goes right, 483 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.719 that's what they do. Sand hill crane, big foot, saggy sand 484 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.000 hill crane, sandhill crane that hasn't pruned. Yeah, exactly, it's molding. 485 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.559 It's molting sand hill crane. We just cracked everything ever, New World 486 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.440 Order. Sand hill crane, it's it's a bunch of sand hill cranes. 487 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:45.159 It's it's a conservation effort to not only preserve them, but to elevate them 488 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:51.119 in society. Anyway. That's one explanation. Another explanation that's out there is 489 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.119 that it was it's just like the Boogeyman. It's just something that, like 490 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:59.480 I said before, people told their kids so they wouldn't go wandering off in 491 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.559 the woods by themselves or at night, you know which. To me, 492 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.400 that's that's a pretty vulnerable explanation. Yeah. Yeah, to me, it 493 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:13.239 just has the sound of like local lore, which I think is awesome. 494 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.000 That's great. I wouldn't spend personally a huge amount of time looking for it. 495 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.679 I think that it's more fun to make up stories and say that you've 496 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.039 seen it and be like, it looked nothing like a sandhill crane, because 497 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:28.079 only a fool would say that, would you. Would you be more inclined 498 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.480 to spend more time searching for it if they were, say ten thousand dollars 499 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.920 in it for you, I will do very much, pretty much anything for 500 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.400 ten thousand dollars. Right, Once again, we'll have a form on the 501 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.840 website. Uh, make me an offer, you know, I'm negotiable. 502 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:50.159 What will Stacco do for ten thousand dollars? Right? So there's another story 503 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.639 that it may have been a politician that was named Daniel Leeds, and I 504 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.400 love that. You know, stories kind of got got mixed up here and 505 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:02.039 there, so the Leads devil became the politician, the polititician became the Leads 506 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.280 devil. That the Jersey Devil came in there, and oh so it's like 507 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.079 a kind of like a smear campaign, right right. Oh, and then 508 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.639 I kind of got mixed in there, and and that might be where we 509 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.159 get the name Leads from. Who knows. It's weird, huh see. 510 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.800 And again that's why I'll lean smartly towards this this kind of lord thing, 511 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.840 because it seems to adapt to its situation, you know, like, oh, 512 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:29.239 well, don't do that. Jersey devil will get you. Don't don't 513 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:35.440 be a bad politician, You'll be the Jersey devil. This guy wants to 514 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.400 take away our right to vote. He's a Jersey devil. Yeah, which 515 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.599 reminds me it's about time Rick sam Torm gets hit with the old Jersey devil 516 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:52.519 stick. He's from Jersey, is he? Yeah? Oh man, that's 517 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.679 funny. So well, too bad he's not. He's not He's not in 518 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.599 any Yeah, too bad, too bad, Jersey devil. Well, Paul 519 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:06.960 Ryan's now the Jersey devil by proxy. Yeah, that's how it works. 520 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.000 Uh. This and this explanation is maybe my favorite one. Not the one 521 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.599 I believe the most, but my favorite one is that it is a terrasaur. 522 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.199 This goes back to your raptor. I'm really pleased that you did not 523 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:27.559 pronounce the pee like I would have. Oh we uh. But if you 524 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.480 if you look at some pictures of a terrasaur called a demorphodon, it looks 525 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.800 like it could be something something like what what people are describing because it's got 526 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:44.039 kind of a long head with a beak on it. Um, but the 527 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.840 beak is is not like two can beak. It's kind of like, uh, 528 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.360 part of the face, and you know, has something muzzle. Yeah 529 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.960 yeah, but yeah, it's definitely elongated. Uh. It's got wings but 530 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.760 doesn't really have arms. I think I think the wings are the arms kind 531 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.119 of like a bad uh. And then it's got scott legs and it's got 532 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:12.079 a long long tail that may or may not be fourth. See now that 533 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.079 is awesome? Yeah? Does that look? And you know what, if 534 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:20.760 you're at your computer, pull up a picture of the sand Hill crane next 535 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:22.840 to a de morpho d I m O r P h O d O N 536 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:30.119 de morphodon nice and is it in a sense? Yeah, look, check 537 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:35.000 these things out and then pull up the old Jersey Devil on on the wikipedias 538 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:39.480 and check out that picture and then see for yourself what's it looked more like? 539 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.800 You know, maybe we should start a campaign where we flip the script 540 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.079 and we say, there's no such thing as sand Hill Crane's It is a 541 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:55.800 population of alien multidimensional beings that are also demons. Okay, that the sand 542 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.920 Hill crane doesn't even exist. So the sand Hill crane is a made up 543 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.280 excuse, yes, by the illuminati. Oh it's so true, you know, 544 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.280 so that people don't say we've got these these multidimensional beings. They're there, 545 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.519 they're the people who live in the hollow earth. That's right, sand 546 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:24.480 hill cranes are Wait what that's how you know it's a winner? If it? 547 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.840 If it, if it, if the circular logic just breaks down in 548 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.599 less than thirty seconds you're onto something. Oh great, So I don't know. 549 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:36.480 I don't know who lives in a gartha, but it may be sand 550 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.599 hill crane. Yeah, exactly what we call them, that's what. That's 551 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.000 what the way they want us to see them. They eat giant grapes, 552 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.119 such great grapes, and they are very nice to Well, now now we 553 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.639 have to compare sand hill crane to pumpkins. That's right. Yeah, that's 554 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:57.760 so we had to bring that around. So there's there's one more explanation that 555 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.360 I that I saw that I that I really liked, and that is the 556 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:07.440 African hammer headed bat and this thing what yeah, this thing. Pull up 557 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:08.920 a picture of it real quick. Check this out. Yeah, it's it's 558 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.360 got a three foot wing span and they can be about they can be a 559 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.760 foot high. Um. But yeah, this thing, the face of it 560 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.880 especially, looks a lot like what we get for the Jersey Devil classic illustration. 561 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.599 Oh come on, it's like a it's like an awful evil snoopy. 562 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.039 I you know, when I see it, I think of the cartoon shoe. 563 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.960 I think, is that is that what I'm thinking of? Is that 564 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.960 right? I don't I don't know, but I see Yeah. But doesn't 565 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.880 it kind of look like that that illustration a little bit. Yeah, it's 566 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:55.800 got that that weird like dog horse, But how weird? How on earth 567 00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.199 do you get an African hammer headed bat Jersey You gotta have slaves in seventeen 568 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.920 hundred, oh, coming over on a slave ship, and the bat was 569 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.559 just like, all right, that's just hanging out, man. I mean 570 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.599 you see the region there in Africa where it's coming from. That's a that's 571 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.440 true, pretty pretty popular. Yeah, that's all place for slave traders, 572 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.599 I think. I mean, doesn't that that to me? That that just 573 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.639 kind of add adds credence to it. Yeah, yeah, that that could 574 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:29.320 be a winner. Wow weird huh. Yeah, it doesn't explain why you 575 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:34.400 get so many sidings up through the twentieth century. But if if there was 576 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.639 a family of these things, yeah, if they figured out a way to 577 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.840 make it work. Weird huh. Yeah. So I like that one as 578 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.159 an explanation for you listening. Pull up a picture of the old hammer headed 579 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.880 bat and and compare that to the Jersey devil illustration. Don't pretty cool. 580 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.400 Don't be eating when you do it, though probably not it does. Don't 581 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.119 be eating when you start this podcast. That's a good point. Yeah, 582 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.280 don't don't work, don't stand, don't eat. Yeah, if you could 583 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:05.119 just be like in a nice like temperature neutral room, if you have one 584 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.159 of those, uh those isolation tanks, it's a great place to listen to 585 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:15.320 this podcast. I think that would be the worst place, because then you're 586 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:20.199 gonna start feeling this crap brush up against you or you're gonna be floating in 587 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.800 the pine barrens in your mind. That would be weird. But since we 588 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.000 brought it up, Oh yes, we brought it up. Let's let's go 589 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:36.039 to town on this all right. Another like one of my favorite things, 590 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.320 one of my favorite this is a bonus for you, for you guys this 591 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:45.920 episode. One of my favorite things in all of like the unexplained and the 592 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.679 occultish things in the whole wide world is regional monsters. Yeah, that are 593 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:54.519 I mean it's not like they're I mean obviously like not blocked this monster, 594 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.119 but like there are some that that kind of fall below the raid radar of 595 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:05.760 of even general credence. And my favorite, my hands down favorite North American 596 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:12.239 Cryptid and then I am giving in a lot of cred with that is the 597 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:21.280 goat Man. Of Maryland, Maryland Goatman. Yeah, in Maryland they have 598 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.679 the goat man. And you might be wondering, really, goat man, 599 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:31.639 tell me more? All right, well let me tell you that according to 600 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.280 legend, the goat man, it's the best. It is the best. 601 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.599 And if any of you would are an artist, please please, I am 602 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.719 begging you to send us any depiction you have of this ocase, according to 603 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:53.360 legend, the Maryland Goatman is an axe wielding half man, half animal creature 604 00:46:53.719 --> 00:47:04.920 that was once a scientist. All of the elements are there, Oh, 605 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.840 I mean, and and you know what what's better is that even like, 606 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.800 you know, even the venerable Wikipedia says not not only was he a science 607 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:16.599 but he actually worked specifically at the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center bom bom bomb. 608 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:22.280 Yeah. And as with any magnificent comic book, he was doing goat research, 609 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.639 genetic goat research, right like or doesn't even say, it doesn't even 610 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:34.920 matter, gee, he was he was working with goats. Something went astray? 611 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:40.239 No, right then, this is the story, this is verbatim. 612 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:49.320 He was experimenting on goats comma, the experiment went to stray comma. He 613 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:57.440 began attacking cars with an axe. Yes, because because because his wife was 614 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.400 run over by it. It was hit and run with a are right, 615 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.519 I've already got the movie in the work, so you all right, young, 616 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.119 I'm ahead of God. Don't worry about it now. In case you're 617 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.360 thinking, whoa, this is sort of I'm not, I mean incredulous, 618 00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.519 I don't believe you. Well, you know, it turns out that it 619 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:19.760 was a It was a research grade acts and when they recovered it from a 620 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:27.079 Chevy Nova's grill, it was laser etched with the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center's stamp. 621 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.559 Wow, I made all of that part up. But but that's how 622 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.800 it's going to go in the screenplay. All right, of goat man? 623 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:43.119 What? Yeah, Well, mister Flora please, you are the rational one 624 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.320 here. Okay, So what's the story with the goat man? Well, 625 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.159 I'll tell you what. When we say goat man, we mean goat man. 626 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.920 We it's it's a sader like being. It's a half man, half 627 00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:00.559 half goat kind of thing. This is in the area of what is a 628 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.360 bowie Maryland I think, And it started in the seventies, which is a 629 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.440 period rife for all kinds of you. Know, crazy man, scientists, 630 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:14.320 I guess this, you know what? And this is the era where the 631 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.760 one hand, you know, the hook hand and on the that's where that 632 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.280 that great story you go up to Lover's Lane right there and then and you 633 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.760 hear scratching and then there was something great and dark about America in the seventies. 634 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.800 And that's where all of these awesome stories came from. Its true, 635 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.159 and we still tell them and we wish that we were that we believe them. 636 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.760 But back then that shit was as real as it got. This was 637 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.840 in the area also of I found. It was Governor's Bridge Road, Lotsford 638 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.159 Road, Fletchertown Road, and in Prince George County in Maryland. And it 639 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:54.159 was near the like you said, the Glendale Hospital, which I found was 640 00:49:54.239 --> 00:50:04.760 a former state tuberculosis sanatorium apparently mmmmmm, but there was. Now I know 641 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.320 what you're saying to yourself, What does that have to do with the go 642 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.079 man everything everything? Crazy? Yeah? Sanatorium. Yeah, they had goats 643 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.400 in there. They help people breathe. Who worth scientists gonna experiment on but 644 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:20.280 they're already clinically insane? Right? And how do you how do you cure 645 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:25.840 tuberculosis with an axe. But this thing apparently it killed pets, like like 646 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.199 all cryptids seem to do. I don't want what they have against pants. 647 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.119 They don't. They're jealous, Yeah, exactly. They want to be pet. 648 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.440 They want to say no, I'm not pretty enough, career puppy. 649 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:45.960 It apparently it attacked some humans in their cars. I mean, now, 650 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:54.840 let's not jump to conclusions. The historical accounts of these things make it quite 651 00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:00.119 clear that he was interested in attacking the cars. It was mere accident that 652 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:05.079 there were people in them. Yeah. And the other thing I found was 653 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.920 that he was blamed for some ranking and entering cases. Oh yeah, a 654 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.440 little b an e on the side when you're not terrifying people with your axe 655 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.360 attack, Yeah, you were looking for him in their home when they were 656 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.519 there. Oh my god. And apparently this is this kind of is on 657 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.119 the tales of the Old bunny Man of Virginia. Have you heard of this? 658 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.280 A bunny man in Virginia? Apparently all I've got to name. Maybe 659 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.079 we can throw that out for a future episode. But oh man, this 660 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.320 and that and the bunny Man are kind of on the same page again. 661 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:44.639 Was it genetic research that caused him? Was it satan that caused him. 662 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.519 Did he have an axe? Yes, we know that for a fact. 663 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:54.639 But here's the other weird thing he associated with. The old Maryland Goatman also 664 00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:01.199 high pitched squeals and screams. The scream so much. Where did he get 665 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:05.920 the axe? The Bunnyman has a lot more on it on Wikipedia than the 666 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.039 Goatman, doesn't it. Yeah, but that's what's wrong with America. You 667 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.679 come up with an awesome dude like the goat Man and you're like, oh, 668 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:20.679 he was a scientists on the way he hates cars moving on. But 669 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.840 somebody was like, the Bunnyman, give me ten years and that will tell 670 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:31.719 you his tai. I hope you're wearing clean Yes, sits ye down comfortably, 671 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.920 for this is a tail that will rend your soul. The Bunyan he's 672 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:43.000 got a bridge. The bunny Man has a bridge or a tunnel. Tunnels 673 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.440 are scary things, Yeah, they are, especially in Virginia. I just 674 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:51.239 well, well, we'll bring up the Bunnyman, yeah on some future thing, 675 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.239 because we haven't nearly done our due diligence on him. Yeah, we 676 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.920 really got to get to the bottom of the Bunnyman. But the Maryland Goat 677 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:05.760 and is just a classic seventies horror movie waiting to be made. Maybe it 678 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.079 has been made. Oh yeah, dude, they make they make about like 679 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:13.159 killer snowmen, you know, like so yeah, if there isn't a goatmen, 680 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.360 then then I think there's some some movies on the Jersey Devil, not 681 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:21.280 not done very well, but there's some movies that reference the Devil in them, 682 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.480 the Jersey Devil, and there's a good X Files episode. Well, 683 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.480 that's right, it's one of one of the early ones, right. Yeah. 684 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:29.880 I thought they thought it was a feral people, which I am more 685 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.079 inclined to believe that. Well, because the place it's so big. There 686 00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.800 are people that are like you you think of in the hills of Kentucky where 687 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.159 they you know, they they're in breeding because there's not very many peep people 688 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.840 around there, or or something like a deliverance, you know, where you 689 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.239 get the Hillbillies back back in there and stuff. There are apparently people that 690 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.800 exist in the pine barrens like that as well, which is really interesting. 691 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:00.320 Wow. I like this. I like the sound of that. I just 692 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.800 need to know more about the goat man. I tell you what I'm doing, 693 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.119 is I amd being to see if there's a goatman movie that would teach 694 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.400 us a lot. Well, i'll tell you what. There's there's a movie 695 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.000 called goat Man, and let me let me read the synopsis. Okay, 696 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:24.960 there is no synopsis shrouded in mystery. It's just a short field. Ah 697 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.239 that doesn't even those don't even count. I don't even know why they have 698 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.119 those at the Oscars. Both short film where everyone goes m like they're somehow 699 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.119 gonna, somehow see that it'll never happen. I don't. I don't see 700 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.079 a synopsis on here. Anyone who's anyone who watches short films is someone that 701 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:45.119 you're actually actively avoiding, you know that. Oh wait a minute, Oh, 702 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.360 there's a two thousand tim uh movie called Jimmy Tupper Versus the Goatman of 703 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.360 Bowie, which is Bowie Maryland. Right, let me let me look at 704 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.519 this thing and see see what it says. Be great if it were David 705 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:05.079 Bowie. Oh God, and he go man versus David Bowie. David Bowie 706 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.920 owns a goatman. And that's why it's about time. I I macho Goatman. 707 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:16.280 Forget about the Baby's Labyrinth. By the way, that it's all the 708 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:20.960 Bowie I've got, all right. Jimmy Tupper is a no one. He's 709 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.559 nothing. He spends his days working at a Starbucks in suburban Maryland, poor 710 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:30.639 bastard, and spends his nights drinking and playing rock band. His friends see 711 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.280 him as the residence stoner and waste of space. One night, they decide 712 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.800 to pull a prank on poor Jimmy, and while he is passed out drunk, 713 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:42.320 they leave him in the middle of the woods. The next day, 714 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.320 Jimmy is nowhere to be found. When he finally emerges from the woods, 715 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:51.760 he is beaten and bloodied and making out landish claims. He claims to have 716 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:57.480 seen a monster, the famed goat Goat of Boeo. His friends believe this 717 00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.920 to be the drunken ramblings of an over excite to knit wit, but Jimmy 718 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:06.679 knows better. He heads to the woods determined to capture footage of the elusive 719 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:12.400 creature. Was Jimmy only dreaming? Did he really see a monster? Only 720 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:17.119 time? And Jimmy's video camera will tell? Can I see that please? 721 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:22.559 Because I would like to read that. Also, Oh yeah, I'm gonna 722 00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.159 put a little spin on this. Jamie Popper is a no one. He's 723 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:32.239 nothing. He spends his day's working as Starbucks in suburban Maryland and spends his 724 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.519 night's drinking and playing rock band. His friends see him as a residence stone 725 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:43.000 on waste of space. Then one night they decided to pull prank on put 726 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.840 Jimmy. While he's passed out drunk, they leave him in the middle of 727 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:52.239 woods. The next day, Jimmy's nowhere to be found. When he finally 728 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.639 emerges from the woods. He's beaten and bloody and that's not fair, and 729 00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.519 he's making a landish claim. He claims he's seen a monster, the famed 730 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:06.599 goat Man of Bowie. His friends believe this to be the drunken ramblings of 731 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:12.280 an excited knitwit, but Jimmy looks better. He heads to the ons to 732 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.840 determine the capture footage of the elusive creature. Was Jimmy only dreaming? Did 733 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:22.639 you really see a monster? Only time and Jimmy's vay field camera will tell 734 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:37.079 you see the movie you want? Pervernessing the movie narrated by Jimmy. Look, 735 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:46.960 I was right, I was right. Please please look up. Jimmy 736 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:52.639 versus the goat Man of Bowie Man I'm gonna find this and I am gonna 737 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:58.880 watch the sho tonight. I hope that you guys enjoy coming along with us 738 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.199 while we look things up on the internet and tell you about them, because 739 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:06.239 we certainly do enjoy doing it. And maybe, yeah, see, this 740 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.760 is why you can't work while you listen. We're asking you to do too 741 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:14.800 many things for you to keep a job while you listen. I was right 742 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:19.519 right off the bat. I was right. Poor Jimmy, Poor Jimmy, 743 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:30.119 he was beaten blood. Wow, sou So there's some East Coast crypto for 744 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:36.119 you side. Yeah, you, that was great. You. That is 745 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:42.159 not something you're gonna get anywhere else. There are a number of sources of 746 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:49.280 information on the unexplained, and they are all scared to touch the hot button 747 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:55.480 issue of the goat Man and the Jersey Devil here and talk about it. 748 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.639 Well you're scared, Yeah, I mean rarely you get some episodes that talk 749 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.159 about the Jersey Devil. I had never heard of the Goatman before you brought 750 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.199 it up. Yeah. I had a book when I was a kid. 751 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.119 It's called Americans America's Own Monsters. When was that written? Do you think 752 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.960 in the early eighties. I saw the Jersey I saw something about the Jersey 753 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.159 Devil for the first time in the eighties with an old book. Um, 754 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:28.679 that's that's how I was familiar with it. Although the Jersey Devil is pretty 755 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.960 prevalent in some pop culture stuff, especially you know, like I don't know, 756 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.840 nerd things that we like. Yeah, Like it's in Castlevania a couple 757 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.400 of times, is it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was at 758 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:45.079 the Jersey Devil in Castlevania. It's it's a demon you gotta fight. There's 759 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.039 always so many demons in the world. Well, that's why they that's why 760 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.320 they they can't keep doing like Green Demon and Blue Demon. They gotta get 761 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.880 something good. I guess, I guess all right, I'll give it that. 762 00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.199 I don't know. It's I think I played that game. It's on 763 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:04.400 ADS, a Nintendo DS game. But oh gosh, um, I'll you 764 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.159 ladies out there that that really want my phone number. Now everybody knows h 765 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:12.679 Castlevania meetups dot com is just waiting to happen. It's blowing up. That's 766 01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.559 a huge we're gonna we're gonna start that up too. But if you would 767 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:20.119 like to go on a date with us, perhaps to watch a really excellent 768 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.239 viewing of Jamie versus Jimmy, Jimmy versus the goat Man. Uh, you 769 01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:29.400 know, we'll put a form on there. We're gonna make an entire form 770 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.800 just for chicks who want to date us. And then you know what, 771 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.159 let's be polite, no switcher ruse, Okay, don't don't, don't be 772 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:44.039 a girl. But then surprise you're a goat man or sand hill crane or 773 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:50.239 you're a sand Hill crane. Don't surprise sand Hill cranes man. Oh geez, 774 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.639 I guess we better do some puns about these things. Oh, my 775 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.679 gosh, puns. Yep, yep, we've got to do puns. I 776 01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.360 see, I see we do three puns since we didn't have an entire episode 777 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.039 on the Goatman, but if we got one for him, we can throw 778 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.559 that out there. Okay, for the Jersey Devil, All right, well 779 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:09.440 what do you got? What do you got for the Jersey Devil? Well, 780 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:14.199 I'll tell you what. I came up with a couple and then and 781 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.519 then I started coming up with just and just switching out one one or two 782 01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:22.599 words, just based on rhyming and stuff. So I kind of feel like 783 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:27.719 I cheated on it, but sheeter, I've got a woodworking shop called the 784 01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.840 Jersey Bevil. Um. I like that for all you uh, carpenters and 785 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:37.039 woodworkers out there that that might appeal to you to visit. Visit there. 786 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:42.239 You'll scream at these prices I've got. I've got one. Since the Jersey 787 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.199 Devil is a very very regional phenomenon, I've decided to go with the regional 788 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:50.320 product. It's called the Jersey Devil. All right. What it is It's 789 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.079 like bedazzling, but on your sports jersey. So if you want to trick 790 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.199 out you your next jersey and make it look real badass? Who could put 791 01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.119 your own name on the back, Jersey Devil do that for you. Nice. 792 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.320 It's it's exclusively for tricking out your jersey to make it extra cool. 793 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:08.400 That's great. That guy also went on to have a successful voiceover career for 794 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:16.880 Imbabs Andnosis. Um. So, the next one I got was called, 795 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:24.320 uh it's it's a chiropractor called the spine barrens. Oh nice. See I 796 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:34.000 like that a lot too. Um I got uh mother leads I U ds 797 01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:40.639 oh god yeah. Oh man, Well, so you don't have a thirteenth 798 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:46.039 one, right, yeahs. A Baker's dozen is something rhymes a dozen? 799 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:55.280 It's a Baker's doesn't Ah, Yes, I brought it home, motherless. 800 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:08.400 I also have a winter apparel store called the Maryland Coatman. Oh, we're 801 01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:19.320 hacking our prices. That is awesome, all right, I've got Beltsville Petting 802 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:23.599 Zoo at no point of research industry. Wait, wait a minute, was 803 01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:28.119 there a little legal disclaimer? What was No, it's just it's a Beltsville 804 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:32.960 petting Zoo. Okay, point was there was there something that are you legally 805 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.920 obligated to? No? No, I just assisted a tick. I've got 806 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:42.880 a I've got a sickness. Let's go to Let's go to the Beltsville Petting 807 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:50.639 Zoo. No longer culture research for none of these were genetically modified the seventies. 808 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.480 You do have to ride bikes there. They don't have a parking lot. 809 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:59.280 It's some green thing. But you don't have a drive there. Some 810 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.280 green no cars. Yeah, yeah, you want to keep your cards away. 811 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:09.440 As far as there's hooligans. Well that that about does it for for 812 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:14.400 this episode. Um, some some good, some good crypto out there on 813 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:18.480 this one. Yeah, that was awesome, like so much delicious rich speculation. 814 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:24.719 Sometimes that's that's all you need to survive. Yeah, that's right. 815 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:30.920 So so next week, here's a little little teaser because I've got clues. 816 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:34.400 Oh why didn't you drop a clue and all and all get angry or agree? 817 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:36.559 No, no, no, you're not even no, it's okay, 818 01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:40.599 okay, okay, these are these are your clothes. I got three clues 819 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:47.480 lark Bunting stegasaurus, and uh, there's two kids. No, not, 820 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.519 no, I'm not no, I'm not I'm not. Oh h no, 821 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:56.639 I can't say that one. But Lark Bunting Stegasaurus, he got it, 822 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:01.760 Douglas fur. Lark Bunting i Gasaurus, Douglass Fur. So should I even 823 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:06.480 give Should I even give my clue? Because people by this point are are 824 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:12.079 probably pissed that we're not even either saying what's going to be next episode or 825 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.119 just ending the episode right now? Hey whatever, you know, give them. 826 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:17.239 I'm not going to tell the people what they want. I'm not that 827 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.039 kind of person. But I want this clue, all right, So I'll 828 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:29.559 just say conspiracy theory and Colorado. Oh so, yeah, well, you 829 01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:32.800 blew all mic clues out of the water, because those were Colorado's state bird, 830 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:40.639 uh, state tree, and state dinosaur because I'm from Colorado and I 831 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.880 know these things intrinsically. It's in my DNA, all right. The third 832 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:45.079 one was real hard for me to come up with. Why don't Why don't 833 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.599 we have a state lasagna or something a state cast role dish? If we're 834 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.440 gonna have a state dinosaur, Yeah, why don't. There's there's also the 835 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:56.440 state insect, which is the Colorado hair streak, but I couldn't say that 836 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.800 because that just gives away it's got the name of the title. I'm even 837 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.039 okay with with insect. But we really need a state dying sore, if 838 01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:06.400 only if it's the Stegasaurus, which is badass as it gets. I get 839 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:11.159 it, I get it. But if you're not already enticed by the next 840 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:15.360 episode, or you haven't already turned the podcast off, you're listening, that's 841 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:19.599 that's uh. That's some hints for what's coming up, based on a trip 842 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:24.960 I'm gonna take. Yeah, that's right, you're gonna This is AH a 843 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:30.760 research expedition, a personal investigative foray into uh into a mystery and in truth 844 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.320 be told. If if you had the means to to go down into the 845 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:36.920 pine barrens yourself. I'm sure you would have. You have taken that up. 846 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.960 Absolutely, It's a great opportunity. I think, you know what. 847 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.440 That's a that's a good advice for anyone listening anywhere you're going on a vacation. 848 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:47.559 A little googling will tell you that there's something weird there. Yeah, 849 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.679 why not spend two hours trying to find it? Yeah, take a camera. 850 01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.960 Yeah that works. Oh, here's a here's a tip for you. 851 01:06:54.960 --> 01:07:00.599 You know, you know what else I got us so mute guy's got them 852 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:05.360 all. Don't go just yet. When you're taking pictures and stuff like that. 853 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.880 Don't don't hold your elbows out. Keep them in close to your chest. 854 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:14.320 It'll help the stability of your shot. Whoa man, keep the thing 855 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.760 framed. You know, dangerously useful information, right, got him? I'm 856 01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.599 just tired of seeing shaky stuff. Yeah, I'm sick and tired of blurry 857 01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:33.000 photos. Great, speaking of that, this has been blurried photos. I 858 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:38.360 have been David Florida, and I shall continue to remain Dave stuff and we 859 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.199 will talk at you next time. Yep. But