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It's time for coffee and company,
fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine

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day. Now here's Nick coffee.
All right, we'll get the five o'clock

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hours started with some breaking news I
think it was, you know, within

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the last hour or so uh UFC
and the YOUM Center announcing there's gonna be

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a UFC card, a live US, live UFC event here in Louisville on

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June the eighth. So we've got
Derby one point fifty coming up on May

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the fourth, We've got a PGA
Championship at Valhalla May sixteenth, at the

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nineteenth, and then of course now
a UFC event that'll be on June the

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eighth. So good times here in
Louisville. And I'm I'm gonna maybe do

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the show at the PGA Championship one
day. That was what I was talking

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about before the show today. With
the brass here at iHeart you're gonna vibe

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golfers as they're taking swings. They
probably swing the club. I wouldn't they

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like that. If there's one place
that like it would be frowned upon to

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to do that kind of stuff whatever
you want to call it, golf,

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it would be that Now UFC could
be a lot of fun, right Derby

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Derby is gonna be fun too,
So I need to I need to get

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some reps in I haven't. We
didn't do any at basketball this year for

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vibe check and the opening the opening
week, I guess there's a preseason game.

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I mean, yeah, you're with
me, right, Yeah. It

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was the only one we did.
Yeah, and I thought about doing another

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one, but it just became it
was it was. There was no vibes,

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you know what I'm saying. And
the people that were there, you

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know, I think to them,
they just love it so much regardless of

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what's going on, they're gonna still
go. And they didn't really fit like

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with what you know, it was
gonna be hard to make that, in

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my opinion, really entertaining it all
just because of the vibes surrounding everything.

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So, you know, it was
you know, I'm looking forward to doing

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more of them and keeping it rolling
along. But I've always said this,

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what make you know, whenever I
end up being able to for those who

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don't know what the hell I'm talking
about. Before the Kinney paint aras started,

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I just decided I wanted to do
something a little different when it comes

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to content and you know, coverage, I guess, and it really isn't

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coverage of anything other than you know, people that are at the games.

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But I started doing something called a
vibe check, which is interially like man

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on the Street interviews with people,
and I've done it in a lot of

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places, the State Fair, the
Louder than Live Festival, football games.

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I feel like there's I've done it
on remotes before at different places that we've

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gone and do the show, and
it is just a you know, four

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to five minutes sometimes three minutes video
that I post after. And there's so

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many conversations I have that don't end
up in it because it wasn't much of

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anything, and you know, I
know early on if it's going to be

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used, but I still at least
continue to have the conversation briefly, just

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because it would be rude to to
walk away like that and say, no,

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you're you're not entertaining, see ya. And then also there's convers stations

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that are had three minutes on their
own, but I only use maybe twenty

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thirty seconds on like two different answers. So the ones that I feel the

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best about are when people don't have
a clue what I'm doing, who I

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am. Those who see it and
like run up to it, those aren't

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very Like that's just harder to make
that I think seem organic. Now you're

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like really hammered. Then I can
probably make it work and it could be

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funny, and it could, you
know, probably be There was one we

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did where I it was Louisville Duke
and football, and I still feel pretty

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good about it. But because it
was a rainy cold, like not many

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people out tailgating because of the weather. I mean it was gloomy and rainy

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all day that day when they played
duke and football, So you know,

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I had to I had to dig
deep. And I went back to where

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the college kids, the fraternities and
the sororities tailgate at the end of the

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lot, and you know they were
they were saw stuff and we made it

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work. But I like to mix
it up. Do I of different types

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of folks to talk to. But
again, when people you know, I

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do wonder at some point like is
that just going to become like stale And

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it's so not me. Anybody who
knows me, like has known me a

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lot, you know, for a
long time, known me in my in

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my life outside of this. Uh, they couldn't believe that I ever decided

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to do that. But I did
it. You know, didn't know what

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to think, didn't know how it
would go, and uh it became something

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fun and it became you know,
something that that got a lot of you

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know, got got a lot of
feedback, good feedback for the most part.

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But the second it feels like,
you know, cringe to me,

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then I'm probably gonna have to hang
it up. I don't want to do

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that. Everything runs its course.
Yeah, things run their course. And

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I think the different types of of
I mean in reality, the different like

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different various places to do it with
the different types of people, that's what

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would make it really not run its
course. Because if it's a different environment,

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a different atmosphere for like a music
festival for you know, the State

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Fair was something I didn't even get
to do one a derby last year,

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so you know it, I just
think doing it before football and basketball games,

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Uh, I always feel like,
you know, man, what like

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which direction am I gonna go?
Like? But now that I think about

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it, football is always going to
be There's so many people and it's you

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know, tailgating. I mean,
those are pretty easy to do because there's

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so many people that you encounter.
There's so many more people that go to

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and you're walking around tail getting a
lot or walking around the concourse when you

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get into the stadium. Basketball games
is a little bit different. But on

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on the basketball side moving forward though, I mean, there's gonna be so

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much enthusiasm and excitement that hopefully we
have a good a good amount of them

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that are that are you know,
worth doing next year, which I can't

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imagine we won't because again, there's
going to just be built in excitement just

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because this. I mean, we
have no clue who's going to be on

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the roster, We have no clue
how it's gonna how it's all gonna come

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together. But it's new. Pat
Kelcey is going to continue to make sure

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the fan base is excited. He's
going to continue and get to engage with

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the fan base and it's gonna work. And look, if they don't win,

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then there's gonna be criticism, but
that's that's part of it and he

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knows that. So anyways, it
is our number three here Coffee and Company.

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Feel But Thornton's on Sports Talk seven
ninety. Been very busy throughout the

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show. Today, we'll get back
into the football stuff coming up on the

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other side because Penny Boon, the
running back who showed up to Louisville in

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December after transferring to Toledo. He
has hit the portal after a few months,

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and there was some controversy, if
you will, in the last twenty

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four hours as far as what led
to him, leaving some idiots on the

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internet claiming it's because checks aren't clearing, which I'm amazed how many people don't

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just believe anything they see and it's
not like because there's a lot of legitimate

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well I don't wanna say fake news
because I know what people think of when

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they think of that, and you
know, don't believe anything on the internet,

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like that's such a vague thing that
just it sounds as if like anybody

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sharing legitimate information, that's just that's
your go to to tell them that they're

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wrong, like you know, credible
reporters and writers, you know CNN,

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and I'm only using seeing a CNN
because it's like a political thing. There'll

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be people that will just say,
well, you know, just because it's

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on the Internet doesn't mean it's doesn't
mean it's true, which you know technically

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is true. But these Twitter accounts
that we talked about, you, I

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just cannot believe how many people don't
automatically realize that there's no way that that's

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a legitimate source for news. And
even when it's quite clear that it's not

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like a legitimate outlet that reports on
news, some of the things that they

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report, like, think about how
unrealistic that is, and then think about

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where it comes from, and then
you should just know like that's probably something

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that's not true. But anyways,
the money situation, I think his sense

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deleted Penny Boone since deleted Instagram story
confirms that he does claim that it's about

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money. So we'll let you guys
hear that and educate those as we were

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educated earlier in the show to understand
what it means to stand on business.

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And we've been standing on business ever
since John Right, We always stand,

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always stand on business, always about
it's the whole show, always about the

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bag. Yep. So real quick
on the basketball side, So tomorrow starts

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a four day run for Pat Kelsey
and his staff with visitors, and we've

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talked a lot about those guys and
The big name is Jaden Quaintance, the

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five star top ten player who decommitted
from Kentucky last week. He'll visit tomorrow

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and Pat Kelsey's going to have a
chance to sell. I think we learned

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right away this guy can sell pretty
well. He sold us the day he

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was introduced as the coach, and
he's been, you know, really kind

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of reading the room, reading the
situation, and understanding what this job is

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in the first few weeks that he's
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he hadn't coached a basketball game yet, but so far in regards to what

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he can do to get us excited, he's doing exactly that. And just

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getting this visit, I mean,
I don't want to sound like the guy

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that acts like just getting a visit
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Right, if you don't get a
kid to actually commit, then the visit

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really wasn't worth anything. But I
do think given the circumstances with Louisville,

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Pat Kelsey being at this level for
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of two years where they were awful, I mean, just getting this kid

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to make his first visit since de
committee in Kentucky it's not something you know

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that we'll look back and say,
well, you remember when he got that

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visit from that five star kid who
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But it is at least an early
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I believe. I still think Arkansas
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where he's gonna end up. He'snna
follow Caliperi, but we shall see the

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other visitors getting here tomorrow. I
mentioned this guy earlier a Bubba car tray

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or which I actually actually listened to
something the other day of him describe him

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pronouncing his name, and I don't
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he is a forward kind of like
a hybrid big that played at Long

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Beach State lifelast year. And he
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to Javon Hadley who committed yesterday,
meaning that it's just a guy that can

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do a little bit of everything.
And last I checked, if you have

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you know, I think you're gonna
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like for example, Rain Smith.
He's here as a shooter. He's

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followed Pat Kelsey from Charleston, and
he's got I mean, his role on

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this team is going to be to
knock down three point shots, and he's

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done a great job of it so
far in his career. Let's hope he

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does it here at Louisville. But
you know, Treyor averaged twelve points,

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eight and a half boards, four
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percent from the field. Not a
three point shooter, because again he's more

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of a big. He's listed at
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I think you could actually play him
at the five, to be honest with

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you, but this is a guy
who had to think four triple doubles this

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past year at Long Beach State,
so he will be a fourth year guy

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next year. He's played college basketball
for three years. So this is the

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exact kind of guy that you see
end up as a not just a role

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player, but has a specific role
with the team that maybe isn't an All

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American caliber player, but he's an
impactful guy that can help you win games

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and make a deep run on the
tournament. We saw it in March,

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so it sounds like Louisville is believed
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young men. So we shall see. So the other name that's visiting tomorrow

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that I didn't get to yet.
I kind of just forgot about it.

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But Ali Khalifa, the big man
from BYU, who has numbers that just

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I'm telling you, man, this
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stat line you'll never see recreated.
Because he plays nineteen minutes a game.

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He averaged five points in three point
seven rebounds, and he only shot thirty

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eight percent from the field. Like
that alone, right there is a lousy

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stat line. Lousy And I'll say
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he's great here and puts up trip
of what those numbers are, but that

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like five points three rebounds, thirty
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think when this guy hits the portal
that he would be lowering, he'd be

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going to a lower level school and
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kind of take a step down.
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You know, I feel comfortable saying
this. Louisville has a level of interest

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in this is not just some like
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He's also considering following Mark Pope from
BYU to Kentucky and then he's also

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considering staying at BYU. But what
makes him, I guess, a hot

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commodity is he's he averaged four assists
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a seven foot, two hundred and
seventy pounds center. So he's a really

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good passing big, and there's value
there. In fact, in nineteen minutes

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a game, he averaged more assists
last year than I believe anybody anybody on

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Louisville's team. So there's value in
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But he doesn't really like he's again, seven fo two hundred and seventy pounds,

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He's not exactly someone that I feel
like would really fit the style of

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play that Pat Kelsey has played at
Winthrop and at Charleston, So to me,

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it's still is a head scratcher.
But he's going to be here for

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a visit unless that's been canceled,
and I've not seen anything that would suggest

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that the visit's not happening. So
then on Saturday, Boopy Miller, the

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Wake Forest guard, he's going to
be here for a visit. Coraan Johnson,

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another guard who's transferring from Washington after
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sorry, sophomore season, he'll be
visiting as well. And then on Saturday,

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Trey Townsend, the Oakland transfer who
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but he didn't really hurt him.
It was Goalkie who really ended the calipari

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ara I suppose, but Trey Townsend
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Oakland, put up big numbers like
nineteen and eight. I believe it was

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something like that. And he'll visit
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doesn't commit elsewhere, because he's also
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and maybe he makes a decision.
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earlier that have already visited. One
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visited Louisville this past weekend. He
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I don't know, you never know
if it's like people just it's wishful thinking,

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or if there's like intel that he
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the visit, but he didn't commit
to Louisville, and then he visited Illinois,

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and I think a lot of folks
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leader there because he's from Chicago.
Well now he's visiting Xavier as we speak,

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and you know, I guess Louisville
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And then the other guard, Nick
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I've not heard anything about his visit
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every kid says that. But he's
also going to visit San Diego State this

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weekend. So I don't know if
the interest is going to fade between those

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two. But I wouldn't say that
Boyd is like a high priority right now.

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one of the insiders for Illinois claimed
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and some say that maybe their last
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been a guy that it's been tough
to get a read on. That's what

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the Illinois recruiting writer for twenty four
to seven Sports said. So he did

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like the tweet that Javon Hadley posted
yesterday announcing his commitment, which I think

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had people assuming that that means he's
excited, But I don't really think that

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could they think That could mean anything, right. That could mean like,

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all right, well they've already got
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Or it could mean like, oh
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that guy. So I don't put
much into that. So anyways, on

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the Kentucky side, there's a handful
of guys they're in on. As far

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as interest level, it's kind of
tough to know, just because for what

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it's worth, Mark Pope really is
just a few days on the job.

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But the big name that entered the
portal last night, this is a guy

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that will probably have his choice of
any school. To be honest with you,

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that is Jeremy Roach, the Duke
transfer who I guess is going to

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be using his fifth year. He
is the fourth best player in the portal

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according to CBS Sports, and it
sounds like Kentucky Saint John's in Arkansas are

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believed to be the three schools that
have the best chance of landing him.

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And I have no clue which way
where he's going to go or anything like

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that, but it's got to make
Kentucky fans like feel a certain way knowing

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that the guy who left has a
way better chance of getting this kid than

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Mark Pope. And that's not even
like a criticis. That's not Mark Pope's

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fault, that's just the situation.
So these are the kind of guys maybe

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not in the portal, but like
you know, big name gets that,

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Like Cal don't lose many recruiting battles, right, he doesn't. And it's

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just it's got to be a weird
feeling knowing that when you see Cali Perry

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in on a player that Mark Pope
wants, Mark Pope's not going to get

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him nine times out of ten.
And that's not Mark Pope's fault, that's

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just the situation. Cal left for
Arkansas. You hired Mark Pope. I'm

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sure he's going to recruit talented freshman, but he's also gonna recruit the kind

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of guys he's been talking about the
last few days, which is dudes who

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will you know, die to put
on the uniform. And I'm not mocking

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him in saying like that's corny,
because I get it, but that that

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sales pitch like what Mark Pope is
selling Kentucky as right now with him as

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the coach is not only different,
it's just it's a night and day difference.

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So like what made Kentucky appealing to
younger players that dreamed of being recruited

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by Kentucky when they got to be
you know, sixteen years old or whatever,

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or kids who were in the portal
and they never got a sniff from

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Kentucky because they were late bloomers and
went under the radar. And now they're

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transferring and their hot commodities. What
they thought of Kentucky that dream. I

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mean, it's still Kentucky, but
that's not what Mark Pope is going to

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sell them. Doesn't mean he can't
get players, but it's just such as

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it's got to be a weird feeling
knowing that of that recruitment, like Mark

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Pope maybe last among Patino in Cali
Perry, because again we're talking Patino,

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Caliparry, Mark Pope. And again
that's not his fault, doesn't mean he's

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not going to be a good coach. It's just this is a process.

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This is so different. But I
just don't know if Kentucky fans, despite

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how much they love Mark Pope and
realized that he's you know, he's hitting

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all the notes and really reminding them
of that era that wasn't talked about a

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whole lot, not because anybody forgot
about it, but the nineties era was

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not really prominently mentioned, and they
have, like you know, they honored

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those teams that won titles and stuff
and brought them back. But like you

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know, Cal's not exactly you know, Cal is the face of the program,

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and he's the head coach. It's
his program. He wasn't really propping

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up those teams in the nineties because
you know why, because Patino coached him.

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So Pope's gonna really take you back
to that era. And there's a

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lot of folks my age, older, younger that probably fell in love with

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Kentucky basketball during that time. And
it's gonna make you feel good. But

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you know, if he puts together
a roster that on paper is maybe like

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ninth in the SEC which let's be
honest, that's realistic here, and that's

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say in year one, they really
struggle because of this process, this adjustment,

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not only for a new coach,
new philosophy, but just everything about

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Kentucky is gonna be so different.
Like will their fans be patient? They'll

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be more patient because it's Pope compared
to if it wasn't. But at the

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end of the day, like if
they're not good and Cali Perry is next

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year. That's gonna be a disastrous
situation. And it's not because they're gonna

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say, how do we let this
guy lead? Maybe some people will say

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that because facts are facts, you
can't rewrite history. That thing needed to

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end. It had run its course. But just the way it played out,

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with Pope being the guy that you
know, you never thought mean a

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week ago, you know what everybody
was talking about, Scott Drew bringing his

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top two recruiting class with him from
Baylor to Kentucky. Now you know,

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it's anybody's guess who ends up on
their roster. And again that's not to

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say that they're gonna have nobody.
They're gonna go start, you know,

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bringing in walk ons because I think
seeing other players commit to schools, seeing

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other rosters kind of getting close to
being you know, somewhat finalized, and

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knowing Kentucky has two guys on their
team, three guys, I suppose,

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like that's not ideal, but like
there's nobody to blame, Like Pope was

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hired when he was hired, and
he's hit the ground running, and I'm

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sure it's consuming every second of what
he's doing. But I can feel the

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antsiness from Kentucky fans and I'm just
curious if if that will eventually shift to

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all right, what the hell is
this guy doing? Who the hell will

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we hire? And that would,
you know, be unfair, but I

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kind of hope that happens. I
kind of do all Right, Well,

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we'll revisit the standing on business coming
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make sure you stick around. Also, Uh, I want to want to

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get back to the text line.
Some good stuff coming in there, and

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well, I'm gonna make sure this
is actually a legitimate thing being said by

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Trillie Donovan. But somebody has sent
in a screenshot on the text line about

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a potential staff situation for Mark Pope
that I think would probably make Kentucky fans

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happy. So again, we got
a lot to get to before we run

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out of times, so stick with
us right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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All right, So, if you
are going to put your house up

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on the market and uh list it, put it up for sale, move

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somewhere else before you do anything as
far as that process, just make sure

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that you do it with Elan and
Needland. I mean, it's a no

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brainer. But then again. You
know, maybe maybe you guys are unaware

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of Eveland and Eland. I highly
doubt that considering they've been doing this very

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successfully and that is helping people with
the buying and selling process in real estate.

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They've been doing it since nineteen seventy
six, so they're gonna make it

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smooth. Just the thought of moving
everything that comes with it, the entire

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process, I'm not even talking about
it, you know, packing up boxes

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and moving. I'm talking just like
you know, mortgages and paperwork and you

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know, just words like scrow and
it just it gives me anxiety because you

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know, I don't like being I'm
not really a grown up. I've been

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able to kind of get by being
like halfway or grown up. But none

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of that's a worry for you if
you trust Eland and Eland, because they're

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going to help you throughout the process, make it as smooth as possible.

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And they're going to list your home
for just one percent. That's right,

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they will list your home for one
percent, which means you're gonna save a

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lot of money throughout the process.
You'll end up keeping a lot of your

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hard earned money right there in your
pocket. You can it can help you,

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maybe you pay somebody to move for
you. Maybe you I don't know,

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save it and go on vacation.
So what I do know is Eatland

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and Needland. That's who can do
that for you, So trust them.

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Eland dot com is the website.
Five two five hundred is the number.

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Again it is Eatlin and Eland tell
him I sent you, all right,

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So I mentioned this before going to
break And again I don't know how I

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mean, I don't know if this
is one thousand percent true, but I

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will say, truly Donovan putting stuff
out there on his discord, on his

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you know, his pay you know, behind a paywall or whatever it may

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be. You know, I tend
to trust that, you know, he's

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getting good information. And apparently what
he has shared recently is that Orlando Antigua

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may not want to leave Kentucky.
So this is what truly said that there

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is apparently a four hundred thousand dollars
retention bonus coming up in June for Antigua.

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His wife loves Lex and he doesn't
want to leave again, and neither

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his coach Antigua. So that would
be huge for Mark Pope as far as

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just keeping some some level of you
know, recruiting prowess on that staff.

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Again, I would say that if
that would work, you'd have to well,

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I don't know, maybe you tell
coach Antigua to just do whatever to

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help get players, and you know, we'll we'll get them up caught up

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to speed on culture, that kind
of stuff and whatnot. But you know

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Orlando Antigua going into a living room
without John Kella Perry but instead Mark Pope

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and selling all that Kentucky can do
for you and then mentioning that they want

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guys who would die to put on
the uniform. That just doesn't add up

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because it's so different. But if
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a big addition for them. But
I'm not sure if that's gonna end up

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happening or not, because there hasn't
been been and any staffer is officially named

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to the Caliperry staff down in Fayetteville. But if you remember the reports were

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that he's taking everybody with him,
well, maybe he wants to take Anti

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when he don't want to go with
him. That'd be a real shocker,

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though, if he tries to stay
and not follow Cow because I mean,

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those two guys are really really tight, all right, So Diebler the coach

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that got hired at Ohio State.
JA. I get him mixed up because

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there's two Deblers, there's two Deebler
brothers. And the reason I'm bringing this

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up is because, yeah, the
Jake Diebler is the new coach. John

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Diebler is his brother, who,
by the way, is the school's all

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time three point leader and he's a
current He's currently an assistant coach for Thad

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Motto, who he played for Ohio
State at Butler. Well, they tried

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to, you know, he tried
to hire his brother on the staff,

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but Ohio State said no because it
was nepotism, Like nepotism laws guy in

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the way, and they're not allowing
Jake Diebler to hire his brother, which,

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like I think everybody knows what nepotism
is and why it's you know,

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something that has to be in place, just because it would be damn near

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impossible not to give favoritism to somebody
that you are related to over somebody that

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you're not. I mean, it
could be done, but you know,

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it's just a you could think you're
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fact that this person is your brother, your mother, your father, whatever.

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But like you don't know, you're
unable to be truly to the core,

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objective and unbiased. But this happens
everywhere, right, Like this is

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I mean you got Samson's son,
yes, I mean a Pearl's son at

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Auburn. Yeah, I'm not sure. I feel like there's more to this.

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In Ohio State, what have they
ever cared about these rules? Right?

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I mean they must have There must
be a personal thing between an administrator

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and the brother and this is an
assumption obviously, But why else would they

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reject this. I've not heard of
any family relative trying to be hired by

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the head coach who's a family member
at a high level school where they didn't

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let it happen. You know,
Patrino hire his son's whole family. Patrino

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had two son in laws on the
staff, a brother at one point and

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his son. I mean, Bobby
did it, but in the end it

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was actually because Bobby couldn't get anybody
to work for him for obvious reasons.

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That was a big factor in it. But I just felt like there's something

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more to this, not that they
know, not that they think Deebler the

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uh, you know, the better
player and the guy that's an assistant and

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Butler is a bad guy or anything, but maybe they just don't want that

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youthful of a staff. I'm not
sure, but I just to me that

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stood out because again, a lot
of places you'd be like, and I

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don't mean schools, I mean the
workforce, you'd be like, well,

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no brainer, you can't do that. But it happens all the time,

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00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.240
and college basketball in college football all
the time. So I don't know.

405
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I will say this if you remember
I went to and I'm sure not a

406
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lot of you remember because you don't
keep up with my schedule, but I

407
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:14.279
did go to Butler to watch Butler
and Creighton play in February. The weekend

408
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.119
I went up for the NBA All
Star festivities in Indianapolis, and Hinkle was

409
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great. Got a chance to stay
after the game and go out on the

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court and talk to coach Baghee and
my buddy Andrew Linz who's now working for

411
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.319
fad Matas as a kind of a
director of ops kind of guy. But

412
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.160
it was good to reconnect with those
guys. But also they let a lot

413
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.799
of kids play, you know,
just shoot basketball on the Hinkle court,

414
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and it's mostly like kids of of
of the you know, children of the

415
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of the coaching staff and things like
that. We sat kind of with the

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with the I guess with like the
parents of the players and the and the

417
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wives and family of the coaches.
That was kind of where we were.

418
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:59.839
Well, sure enough, Moose was
in this real competitive not a basketball game,

419
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.279
but it was basically two three year
olds, you know, just trying

420
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:04.920
to steal the ball from each other, running around, chasing each other around,

421
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.160
having a good old time. And
I did not know it until my

422
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.440
buddy Lenz came out and told me
just so you know, your your son

423
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:18.000
is competing right there with with with
deebler son. So he came over to

424
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.440
me and was like, hey,
is this your son. I was like,

425
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.799
yeah, that's you know, he's
like he is he is picking on

426
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.319
him, and I said, no, they're just playing. He's like,

427
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.119
okay, well he's kind of awful. So I just want to make sure

428
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.119
he wasn't like hitting your kid.
I'm like, well, okay, now

429
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.240
I know that to keep an eye
out for Deebler's son because he could be

430
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.759
you know, could be a handful. But if you could find an article

431
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:45.000
or story that references a similar higher
being blocked like this one, I would

432
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.279
be shocked. Just interesting. But
anyways, sticking with the highest state,

433
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:55.400
I just want to give you some
numbers really quickly here because we oftentimes talk

434
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.000
about nil dollar amounts for players,
and I'm still love to the impression that

435
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.160
nobody truly has a real good idea
of how much money is being spent.

436
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.000
I think it's exaggerated what each player
gets. I think players ask for a

437
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:15.599
certain number and realize because let's just
put it this way, the market is

438
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:21.079
going to determine what you're paid.
And if you're asking for a million dollars

439
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.279
and the best thing you're gonna get
is four hundred thousand, which to me

440
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.880
is still a lot of money for
player, Like that's what you're gonna take,

441
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.680
Like you're not gonna you're gonna hold
out right, You're gonna take what

442
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:37.119
you can get because that's that's how
it works. So I'm not sure we'll

443
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.039
ever truly have the transparency that you
know we have in pro sports, because

444
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.920
this kind of is pro sports,
but you know, kind of isn't supposed

445
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.079
to be. But R. J. Young, who covers college football for

446
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.960
Fox Sports, he put these numbers
out earlier today. Ohio State Boosters reportedly

447
00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:00.160
spent thirteen million dollars in NIL on
their roster. So Ohio State the school

448
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:07.519
that not only you would think has
more resources than most if you remember one

449
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.640
of the things that was brought up
during the it's not like they fell off

450
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.039
the face of the earth. They
just started losing to Michigan. Like that's

451
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.599
the ultimate difference in Ohio State,
right, Like that's just the only thing

452
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.519
that's changed in recent years. They're
still doing the same thing, dominating,

453
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.920
winning at a high level. But
Michigan's got the best of them. And

454
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.160
they did lose to Missouri in that
bowl game, but they didn't have some

455
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.519
of their best players. But that's
thirteen million. And again, they knew

456
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.279
this was the year they had to
be competitive. They had some players that

457
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.359
were on their way out that said
that, you know, ANIL wasn't really

458
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.480
in place for some of like the
linemen and all that. So I'm emphasizing

459
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.880
that because thirteen million is them spending
more than they probably ever spent by a

460
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.440
lot. And I say ever,
like it's been going on for decades,

461
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:56.440
it's still relatively new. But the
Boosters spent thirteen million on ANIL Ohio State.

462
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:02.119
They spent eleven point four million on
their assistant coaching staff. They made

463
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:06.279
some staff changes again, they're trying
to not lose to Michigan anymore, and

464
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.839
they're pulling in all the reinforcement staff
changes. You know they brought in was

465
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.599
a Chip Kelly who's now there oc
or did yes. Yeah, so you

466
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.680
know, thirteen million for players,
eleven point four million for new assistant coaches.

467
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.480
Ryan Day's still there, right,
yes, Okay, I guess Ryan

468
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.559
Day. You know, ten million
is what he gets paid annually, which

469
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.160
I guess that checks out considering he's
you know, at a at a place

470
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:37.039
like Ohio State, so just in
one year and it won't be an annual

471
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.000
thing, although I guess it could
be, right, Like you know,

472
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:45.319
your assistant coaching salaries are, I
mean, like, for example, they're

473
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.440
paying ten million year for their head
coach, eleven point four for all of

474
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.920
their assistants. So I guess that
is kind of an annual thing you're gonna

475
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.599
pay. And thirteen million wouldn't be
shocked if that's a number that goes up

476
00:32:53.640 --> 00:33:00.119
every year. So Ohio State,
this is what they spent from top to

477
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:06.519
bottom for personnel for football, thirty
four million dollars for one team thirty four

478
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:13.359
million dollars in a calendar year to
put your team together. It's pro sports,

479
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.079
I mean. But then again,
like the way we have to go

480
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:21.359
about it makes it at times feel
like it's not. But is there a

481
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.480
number that shows how much they brought
in strictly ex as far as revenue.

482
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.440
They've been losing money in football for
a long time. Wow, yeah,

483
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.519
I mean as far as just the
And when I say losing money, I

484
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.359
mean, like you know, from
what they generate as far as business.

485
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.880
The money they get from their TV
deal is way. I mean, it's

486
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.920
going to cover everything, you know
what I mean, that's true. And

487
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.440
you get to keep in mind that
thirteen million from nil is not a high

488
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.279
state. That's other people. That's
not their money. So you know,

489
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:59.480
I guess twenty one million point four
on your just your staff altogether, that's

490
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.359
probably not that different than anybody else. And also thirteen million, I wouldn't

491
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.039
be shocked if there's schools that spent
more than that, or are schools that

492
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.119
had, you know, more money
to give than that, because the schools

493
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:16.480
aren't spending it. But it's uh, it's wild man. So it's clearly

494
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:21.119
an issue for some fans just because
it's so different. I guess there's some

495
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:27.960
level of purity that you felt whenever
guys weren't getting paid. But there's there's

496
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.159
no going back. I mean,
in fact, it's probably only going to

497
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.199
be even more evident that it's not
an amateur sport. It's clearly pro sports,

498
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.280
probably every year. But if you
want to be good, you're the

499
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.719
team you cheer for has got to
be in this They got to be in

500
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:46.719
this space with nil and free agency, and they've got to excel. I

501
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:52.199
mean, even if you're top dog, like for example, Yukon won back

502
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.800
to back national championships and you know
they're adding pieces as we speak. I

503
00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.840
think they landed a big man earlier
today. So no matter how good you

504
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.840
are, this is now the new
world. This is now how it This

505
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.760
is just how it works. All
right. Let's go to the text line

506
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.840
five two six five three zero seven
nineties the number if you guys would like

507
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.199
to uh to text in this text
says Nick, do you know who won

508
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.280
the fight at the baseball game last
night between the Louisville fan and the Kentucky

509
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.440
fan? So I don't think it
was a louis A fan in a Kentucky

510
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.239
fan. I think it was.
I wish it was just because not that

511
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.239
I wish anybody would fight, but
I think it would be. It would

512
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:35.920
be it would be such a story
about this rivalry. At the Louisville Kentucky

513
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.119
game that was taking place in Louisville, the baseball game, there was a

514
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:45.320
fight that led to arrest and it
was you know, big Blue Bob talking

515
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:50.320
about Mark Pope being the man,
and then you know, maybe Cardinal Cardinal

516
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.559
Danny had enough of it and started
started talking smack and letting him know that,

517
00:35:54.639 --> 00:36:00.360
you know, Pat Kelsey's the man. Like that would be childish and

518
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:06.360
you know, unnecessary, but would
it shock you? No. But I

519
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:07.639
think it was a Louisville fan and
a Louisville fan they got in a fight

520
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.159
and I don't know why, so
I'm not even really sure it was a

521
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.960
fight. I think, you know, it just ended up. And I

522
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.639
saw the video which didn't show a
fight. Maybe the fight happened prior to

523
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.440
that, but there was just a
video where you had like cops on the

524
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:27.519
concourse there at Jim Patterson Stadium,
you know, settling down a contentious scene

525
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:36.639
there'll be some kind of like some
sorry for the for the long pause there,

526
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:42.920
there's going to be some kind of
situation that makes the news this summer

527
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.920
where Louisville because it's because the rivalry
is the derby, could be the rivalry's

528
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.199
back on, you know what I
mean, Like it's just back because we're

529
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.840
both starting over. And clearly they
don't fear Louisville right now, and Louisville,

530
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.880
I mean, I don't know if
any Louisville fans truly ever feared Kentucky,

531
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.079
but like if you did, I
get it. They dominated, and

532
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.039
Cow was a guy who would go
get really almost any player he wanted more

533
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.400
often than not. Well, now
like that's not who they are anymore,

534
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.800
so should be fun, but again
I don't condone violence. All right,

535
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.960
quick break, we'll come back on
the other side to wrap this thing up

536
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.480
on Sports Talk seven ninety. That's
right, we are wrapping things up here,

537
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:22.960
and as soon as this show ends, I got a jet out of

538
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:29.480
here and head to my son's baseball
game two games a week, which you

539
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.400
know, he loves it. I
love watching him play. He's having fun.

540
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.519
But he's three years old, so
I feel like that's you know,

541
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.639
it's a big commitment, but hey, you got to start somewhere. And

542
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.639
so far he has loved playing any
sport, which has been fun for us,

543
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.400
no doubt. Last year, I
remember you were nervous about how you

544
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.920
would act about Moose playing baseball.
So you've got a year under your belt

545
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.280
as a dad baseball dad. How
are you feeling this year? Well?

546
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.119
I love it because he's he craves
to be coached and like wants to get

547
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.719
better. He's competitive. He asks
me all the time, like how he

548
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.280
did, how his swing was.
And it's not just because he wants his

549
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.039
dad to say you did great,
because like he wants to get better.

550
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.639
He loves it. But as far
as my worry about, like you know,

551
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.280
letting instincts kick in and maybe being
like that crazy parent, I mean

552
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.880
it's they're not really they don't keep
score, so like it's it's not there

553
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.199
yet at three years old. But
you know, I I don't think I'll

554
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:27.320
have any issues because I know myself
and I'm not somebody that ever calls any

555
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.440
kind of scene. That's just so
not me at all. And I don't

556
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.400
mean say that to brag. It's
just that's not in all my personality.

557
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:37.239
I'm not somebody that whatever seek confrontation
or anything like that. But you know,

558
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:42.639
I hear other parents, you know, and not even just you know

559
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.480
some parents in this league where I'm
like, i mean, come on,

560
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.239
they're three, Like what're we doing
here? And then there's other leagues going

561
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.920
on at the same place that have
older kids playing, and I mean it's

562
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:57.599
pretty common you get like not fights, but just I mean it's what there's

563
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.840
one thing to be into it and
like cheering on and yeah, yeah,

564
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.119
you know, like that's there's nothing
wrong with that. That's awesome, but

565
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.280
it's just like you know, yelling
at umpires and you know, just kind

566
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.079
of like parents of other teams,
like they're on the other side, right,

567
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:15.639
like one bleachers for this team,
one bleachers for that team, and

568
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.440
you just like feel the tension that
like they don't like each other. And

569
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.800
that's just weird to me. But
then again, like it's how it is,

570
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.960
like who's your your your favorite player
and anything is going to be your

571
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.599
kid, right And it's not something
you can just not be into, I

572
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.360
think, but I used to before
I you know, became a dad.

573
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.360
I've been a dad now for a
long time. But when my daughter was

574
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.199
young, when my son wasn't born
yet, that's when I started to think,

575
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.039
like, you know, how am
I going to react well now,

576
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.599
Like you know, if my kids
didn't play sports at all, I mean,

577
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.960
it might make me sad for a
minute, but like you know,

578
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.239
Vinetti's told me that one time,
and it was great advice because you know,

579
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.880
he thought that would be the way
with John and football and all that.

580
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.039
But like you know, you love
your kid regardless of what they want

581
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:00.239
to do. And to go because
I gotta go to this game. See

582
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.519
you guys tomorrow.

