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Nick Coffee. That is me,
hopefully you know that. If not,

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now you do the company. Man. John Alden riding shotgun this afternoon,

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and let's just get right into it. I mean the first hour we didn't

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talk much about the NBA Draft because
we heard from a former Louisville coach,

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which man, it is crazy to
think he's been gone for seven going on

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eight years now. I guess this
will be the eighth season with post Patino,

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and we didn't hear from him like
on the show. He didn't call

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in, but he was on KSR
this morning, and ninety five percent of

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the interview really had nothing to do
with with with Louisville or even during even

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really his time at Kentucky. He
did talk about Mark Pope a little bit

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as a coach because of their connection, but he admitted and really they didn't

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have to pry it out of him. I mean, I was just talking

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to Terry Miners in the hall there
during the break he popped his head and

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to talk about Patino's comments. And
Terry knows Rick literally, like on a

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personal level more than probably most people
around here. I mean, they were

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legitimately friends during his time here.
And you know, I won't say exactly

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what Terry said because that wouldn't be
fair for me to do that, but

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you know, like he Terry's comments
made me realize Rick intentionally brought that up

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like that. That wasn't like a
it just slipped in conversation. Because here's

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the thing, I'd be willing to
bet a lot of money that PFT and

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Big Kat don't know who Eddie Grant
is. But anyways, Rick Minchin and

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I'll just let you guys hear it
for yourself because this comment, of course,

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you know, it was Rick going
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guess let people know he's supportive of
Kentucky, not just basketball because of Mark

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Pope, but football too, and
he's donating money to the Kentucky Football and

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iiole collective. Well, I actually
cut a checked to the football program because

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I'm a casual friend of Mark and
Eddie Grin and cut a check to the

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football program. But I would definitely
cut a check if Mark needs me for

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anything, no matter what. Except
for my firstborn Michael, he could have

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it. So that's just not something
you would have expected to hear Rick say.

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But it's just a sign that he
still is upset and he probably always

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will be. He doesn't love us, and that may hurt for some fans

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to hear, but it was always
the case. Look, it's transactional for

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most of these coaches, in fact, probably all of them. But you

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know that that took a big chunk
out of our first hour. And then

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we played some Pat Kelsey sound as
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today and I think it's the first
time we really heard him in that type

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of setting talk talk ball and personnel
and whatnot. So we'll get back into

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that a little later on. There's
a couple more clips I want to share

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with you guys from Pat Kelsey's press
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I'll say this, watching it live
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weak as it's believed to be.
You know, seeing some of these guys

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walk across the stage that you watched
in college and realize, you know,

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hey, that guy could turn out
to be a solid pro, Like he's

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a good player. Ceiling is probably
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So I'd say, more than anything, this may not be like I

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mean, again, I'm not gonna
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really don't know how good of at
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But I think it's a draft that
doesn't appear to have a really high

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ceiling because the guys drafted with the
top two picks, they may have that

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high ceiling, but it's it's an
unknown and it I guess every player is

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an unknown, but it's more of
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haven't watched these guys play. I
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seen highlights, but you know,
you could find highlights of anybody that'll make

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them look pretty good. And five
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most of us haven't seen play very
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I think that's just that doesn't mean
it's a weak draft, but it's just

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hard to be like, oh,
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Man Washington got Alex Saar. I
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night that he is Olivier Sar's brother. Had no clue, makes total sense.

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I knew he was from France as
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Zachary Risichet and Alex Sar are two
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You'd think that those guys are believed
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There's belief that no matter who had
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the first two guys they were going
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may be great, but we're all
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it off of unless you've watched them
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be a liar if I said,
I mean, I didn't know how to

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say that guy's name till yesterday.
Zachary risus Chet, which by the way,

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there it might have been Frank Mason, former Kansas guard who didn't shy

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away from saying like this is going
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number one pick, because I guess
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France. And you know, Frank
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and I actually learned last night seeing
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But you know, he says that
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ain't gonna work out. But you
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that you thought would be terrible and
they were great and vice versa. But

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yeah, risus Chet saw Ron Holland. I mean, yeah, we know

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of him because if he him being
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the G League. You didn't watch
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Saloon, he's from France as well, he went number six. And then

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Cody Williams of Colorado freshman. I
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basketball last year. So again that's
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and you would think guys drafted earlier
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ceiling. That's why they're being drafted
where they are are guys that i'd say,

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the majority of people that watched the
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draft don't know a whole lot about
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just feeling like such a ho hum
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I mean, him going number three, it still seems kind of crazy

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to me. I mean, in
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might go number one yesterday, and
I think it's a good pick, but

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it's just you know, I this
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and he's the number three pick in
the draft. And I will say

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I thought that there may have been
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Kentucky that has been drafted that high. And I was way wrong. I

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mean, you got to go way
way back, but he been. Griff

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was drafted with the second overall pick. In fact, and some of these

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are ABA not NBA, but at
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on, it's still a big deal. But like Wes Unsell was the number

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two pick in nineteen sixty eight.
In fact, I think Vince Tyree's father,

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Yeah, he was the number two
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fifty seven. Charlie Tyree. So
he joins a small group of guys born

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and raised in Kentucky, the state
that have gone on to you know,

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hear their name called that early in
the NBA draft. And I need to

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give credit because this is a really
really funny, funny tweet. Let me.

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Yeah, so I liked it.
I call it favorite, but it's

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called like on X. You know
when I say like something on Twitter X,

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people know what I'm talking about,
right, John, Yeah, Favorite

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was back whenever the icon to hit, it was still a star. Yeah.

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Why'd they do the heart? I
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guess I guess it's because every other
social network uses the heart as a like

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now, and so they didn't want
to be different. So I used to

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DM tweets to myself to like,
you know, to you know, kind

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of have him in order to where
like, I know, like, hey,

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I saw this on Twitter. I'm
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where it is if I want to
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of story that I want to read
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But now I just hit like,
and you go to your likes on

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your own thing and it's just a
feed of things that are you know,

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topical for me or that I want
to, you know, check out.

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But yeah, it was Jack's teller
underscore k wise the Twitter handle, and

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this was so true. I thought
the same thing, but you know,

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you know, I realized this but
never and I wasn't as funny as Jack's

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teller on Twitter. He said the
first two picks in the draft were from

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France and somehow Stacy Reid Shepard was
the hardest person to understand during the first

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fifteen minutes of the draft, and
I would have guessed that she was from

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Kentucky, but once she started talking
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So she's from London, where Red
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Georgia, and you know they've lived
there for twenty years and that's where Reid

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and his family grew up. And
yeah, I mean sure her accident was

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coming through strong. And also I
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she kind of I mean, that's
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your son is the number three pick
in the NBA Draft. And this was

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I wanted to play this as well, so the The Undisputed Show. That's

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that's Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharp left, So I don't know. I guess

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it's Keishan Johnson that's there full time. But they had Paul Pierson Studio today,

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and this is I mean, this
is just a reminder that like the

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guys who are on ESPN that are
NBA guys and the guys that are on

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FS one that are NBA guys,
they don't watch college basketball. And I

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guess technically, if they're in the
NBA, like they're not, if they're

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in NBA coverage, they probably don't
have time to watch college basketball. But

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if you're gonna be covering the draft, shouldn't you freshen up on some knowledge

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Like Paul Pierce did not know that
Jeff Shepherd, who he played against in

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college, did not know Jeff Shepherd
was Ree's father. Read Shepherd's father.

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Okay, so reed Shepherd's daddy was
the most outstanding player of a Final four

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that Kentucky won with Tubby. Okay, so his bloodlines are pre shot,

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like his mom and dad are there. Jeff Shepard is that Yeah, yeah,

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exactly was a really good player.
Shed, So I mean that's Paul

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Pierce had a good gig at ESPN, did something really stupid on social media,

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lost the job, and I guess
now, I don't know if he

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works for him full time on that
show, if he's just a roaming guest.

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But that wasn't like clever. I
know, like, that's just you

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being a real dumbass in admitting with
nobody asking you that you don't know anything

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about the number three pick. That's
like, that's the most It's one thing

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for people to remember Jeff Shepherd playing
for Kentucky in nineteen ninety eight. That

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was a long time ago, long
time ago, but for you to go

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the day after and hear that and
be so stunned, like, wait,

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is that that Jeff? That's his
dad? I mean that just it's it's

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actually hilarious. But you know,
maybe people, maybe other people don't think

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that's funny. All right, So
outside of that, I would say,

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again, Sheppard going three was not
I mean, that's just the local,

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local thing. It's not. I
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But as far as surprises, I
I would say, act, I mean,

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like, let me ask you this, John, and I'll tell you

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my thoughts. What was a bigger
What do you think came off as a

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bigger surprise to everybody? And I
guess a bigger surprise to you eighty going

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at number nine or Dalton connect falling
out of the lottery. Oh, those

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are both, because those are the
two big things. Yeah, those are

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the biggest fact. Being in the
top ten is more surprising because more people

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had him potentially going in the second
round instead of the first round at any

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point. Yeah, he was growing
to be a first round pick as the

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draft approach, but I did not
see a single person have him in the

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lottery. And he went number nine
and Connect, I mean, I kind

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of feel like it's even it's I
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and I mean, I think it's
a pretty good landing spot. Absolutely

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it is. I think I won't
claim to know why he slipped and why

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everybody who did mock drafts and projections
had it so wrong. But I think

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Goodman threw out a good a good
theory, and that is that his agent

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might have really and I don't know
much about his agent, but apparently his

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agent is not. So. There
was four agencies that represented I think like

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ninety five percent of the first round
last night. The power agencies right,

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and I don't think his agent is
one of those. I could be wrong,

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but his agent may have overplayed his
hand with certain things and the stock

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put it this way, the stock
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The agent did a good job of
really gassing him up, which I guess

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is what your client's supposed to do. But you know, it also made

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it look as if the backfire because
the cameras on Dalton connect all throughout,

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and maybe people should have expected him
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rather than you know, some people
thought he could go top five, top

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six. So also his age,
he's older, he's twenty three. And

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I think basketball IQ was something that
that Goodman mentioned, is that that was

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a potential concern for for NBA teams. But I'll start with like his talent,

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I'm not sure I realized how insane
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I knew he was good, and
I knew he was a very deserving

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first team All American type of player, but I did not. I mean

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the highlights they were showing when he
was getting drafted. I mean, this

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guy was a walking highlight reel,
and he's got the weirdest body I've ever

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seen, and and you know,
in a good way. I think I

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think he's like his his way starts
at his nipples, like his legs look

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so like it's like his body was
finished and then somebody went in and you

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know, maybe his surgery they added
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something. I mean, he's really
tall and long, but he's smooth.

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He can shoot the ball small.
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he's a savvy player. I don't
know about basketball, IQ can hit tough

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shots and I mean he he had
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So you know, highlights can be
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that guy's got all the tools.
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with with the Lakers. So I
think both were big surprises. But yeah,

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I mean Zach Edie. I mean, I won't claim to be like

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a fan of his. I just
respect his game and I think that he

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plays really hard. I think he
works on his craft clearly, which again

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that's the bare minimum, playing hard
and working on your game, like that's

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what everybody should be doing. But
he just he to me, people just

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throw him to the side as if
like, well that a guy that big

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with that frame, you know,
could could never, you know, could

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never play in the NBA this day
and age. And I'm willing to acknowledge

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the game has changed. But that's
also I'm not saying he'll be a Achema

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Lajawan or Shack or you know,
Patrick Ewing. But do people think that

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if those guys in their prime enter
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being different, do people think those
guys would be bums and be sitting on

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the bench. They wouldn't. They're
legendary players with phenomenal talent. That's not

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what Edie is. Maybe he gets
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a massive man that is very skilled
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the game is played with more spacing
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just can't be in the league as
nonsense. I mean, he is a

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physically dominant player that will dominate in
the NBA. I don't and I don't

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mean like he's gonna take over the
league, But who's gonna go Who's gonna

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guard him? In the NBA?
I mean, he'll have much better defenders

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on him than he did in college. Trust me, I'm well aware of

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that. But you can't. There
aren't guys in the NBA on the bench

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you can throw at Zach Edy that
are in any way similar to him as

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far as stature, length and motor
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your typical big but you mean meaning
big in the NBA. But he can

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run. He's got stamina for a
dude that's built like that. Like I

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just I don't know him going number
nine, it still is a surprise,

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but I think the Grizzlies, no, that's a weapon. That that's something

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that like we need. We could
use that. And let's be real,

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if the draft wasn't what it is
as far as believed to be weaked as

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he go number nine, probably not. But you know what, if I'm

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the Grizzlies, and I know I
really liked what I saw. He was

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great in workouts. We need some
real interior presence. And I'm looking around

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like thinking, I don't love all
these other guys I'm gonna get I'm gonna

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take this guy, so you know, I And another thing that just I

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know he's not a shooter, but
hes he a decent free throw shooter John,

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you'd know he's a decent free throw
shoot. After end, he hit

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I believe two three pointers last year, So I mean he's not gonna be

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shooting threes. But I mean if
he needs to, he can't. I

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mean when people talk about style and
athleticism being able, like, have people

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seen the guy who's won the MVP
what two out of three years now,

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Nikola Jokic. I mean, clearly
he's not Zach Edy. But shouldn't that

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be like the ultimate, Like we
should not just look at a dude based

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off stature and assume he can't play
in the league. If you showed me

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Nikola Jokic before he ever played in
the NBA, and you told me he

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was a basketball player, I would
have said, there's no scenario. I

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mean, look at his body,
like he's he's a huge man. But

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I mean, like, I don't
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zach Edy kind of gets picked on. But here's what Matt Norlander had to

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say about zach Edy's workouts that kind
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why he went with the ninth pick
last night in the draft. He winning

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the two time National Player of the
Year as this huge, huge force in

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college basketball and still going top ten
in the modern NBA. I actually think

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is a very refreshing storyline for college
basketball for the league. And all I

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can tell you is in checking in
with sources over the past week, Edy

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and his workouts was absolutely emphatically dominant. I had two sources tell me it

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got to a point with two separate
workouts that they almost had to stuff them

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midway through because he was so ridiculously
impressive physically on the floor. You can't

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teach the size. And what happened
here was there was a lot of smoke

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with the Grizzlies trying to move up
to maybe get Clinging. Ultimately they held

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firm and they draft the big that
outplayed Clinging had to head obviously in the

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National Championship game, even if Clingon's
team got the W, but also the

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stats across the board, the stats
at the combine. Zach Eedy has a

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tremendous reputation. Not so sure how
hard he plays, how well he's developed,

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how much of a teammate he is, and we have to reinforce this.

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He is the combination of a proven, legitimately dominant once in a generation

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college player and he is also very
much on the rise. He has not

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played high level competitive ball for more
than six years. At this point,

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he has an incredible chance at continuing
to move up and get to be better

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and better and better. So with
eighty, the reputation as a dominant college

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player ultimately won out over the stigma
of So that's the That's probably all we

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needed to hear. But yeah,
he is an unknown. I'm not here

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to tell you he's going to be
a perennial All Star, but I think

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he'll play in the league a long
time. And again, I think it

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is good for college basketball. I
mean, it's good for bigs in the

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future. Yeh. Draft if he
works out, and if Donovan Klingon works

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out too, you're likely to see
more teams take risks, and not that

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it should be a risk necessarily take
risks on guys who are of that stature

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in the future. Yeah, and
the NBA, do you know doesn't need

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us, right and they don't.
I mean, they're two different worlds.

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But I feel like it'd be best
for everybody if college basketball's stars end up

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becoming stars also in the NBA,
because it could get people to want to

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tune into the NBA to see how
this guy's doing at the next level.

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Right, it could get you know, and if that becomes a trend,

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then maybe you get more, maybe
you get more guys that are NBA guys,

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but they find themselves wanting to watch
more college basketball because hey, these

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guys are going to be in the
league soon. Now, what we got

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to worry about is in ten fifteen
years, how many of these lot are

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going to be from other countries.
I mean, I totally agree the fact

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with this. I'm not blaming anybody
specifically, but the current culture of basketball

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in America within the youth is not
It's just a lot of skill is not

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being developed and it is elsewhere,
right. I mean, a lot of

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the guys who you see that are
superstars, you know, in the prep

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world, right, like high school
kids that are phenoms to be five stars.

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Right, Surely you'll find guys that
have a good skill set that you

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know, it's not just based off
athleticism and size, but a lot of

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that. A lot of those guys
are like that. I mean not all

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of them, but most of them. I feel like, So, you

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know, I don't want to act
as if we're in trouble and we're going

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to start losing in the Olympics in
basketball. But I mean other countries have

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clearly over the years, really really
made basketball a bigger deal for young kids

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who really want to get into it, and they've given us really, really

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good players. I mean, the
NBA is now not full, but it's

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uncommon almost for a really good team
in the NBA not to have a very

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very high level player. Maybe it's
not your star player, but a very

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important player that is you know,
not from here, didn't grow up in

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America, which you know, it's
not a bad thing. All right,

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quick break, we'll come back on
the other side, keep this thing rolling

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along when it comes to the NBA
draft. Tim Legler said something last night

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on ESPN that surely he was joking, but god, I hope somebody does

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it, and I'll tell you what
it is on the other side. Right

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I try, I try. You
know, I'm over it. I

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don't think about it much, but
every now and then it does. It

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does reappear in my my head that
when John started the show he was not

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a member to go. Yeah,
it's in the past, it's in the

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rear, it's in the rear view. You know, I'm over it.

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Just crazy to think about. But
you know, as long ago you're you're

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a new man now and uh you're
a you're a very blessed member of the

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program, like like everybody else.
All right, So I'm I've just saw

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something during the break, I've listened
to a clip about about Kyle Philipowski still

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being available, because I would say
he's probably the most talked about guy that

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didn't get drafted outside of Brownie James, which we're gonna talk about him in

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just a second, but not for
reasons that you may be expecting. Not

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because you know, we're just gonna
do what ESPN's done, which, by

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the way, when he does in
the the NBA summer leagues going to be

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the Bronnie James Summer League. That's
all ESPN's going to talk about. But

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anyways, Kyle Pilapowski, I mean, as far as best players available,

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still, he's got to be up
there, right, I mean, and

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I'm not saying he's great, because
actually thought he was pretty underwhelming. I

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mean, no joke. In two
games, was one game did they go

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to do can play this year?
I don't remember that. Yeah they did.

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Yeah, in two games, brand
Hilly Hatfield outplayed Kyle Filapowski. Not

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to say that he's a better NBA
prospect than him, but like, I

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never really understood Kyle Filapowski as a
guy that, like, you know,

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I'm surely he can play in the
NBA, and he's a fine player,

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but you know, he's seven foot
and he's skilled, but like, I

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don't think he's ever been like great, and you don't have to be great

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to be, you know, drafted
early, but I just never never thought

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he was that good. So Jonathan
Giovanni, who is a NBA draft analyst

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for ESPN, now he started draft
Express parlayed that into a gig with ESPN.

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He was on Zachlow's podcast, who
does an NBA podcast for ESPN,

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and they were talking about Kyle fi
Lapowski and he was kind of mentioning something

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as to why, I mean,
let me let me just let me check

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this because I think it's worth playing, because I guess I'll let you guys

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here for yourself and then I'll share
what else has been because this is the

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story is kind of taken off,
you know, on the internet, whatever

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that's worth. But if this was, if all this is true and it's

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the reason why teams are passing on
him, I'm curious if if you guys

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feel like it's legit and you would
do the same thing if you were an

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NBA GM in that situation. But
let me see if I can find it

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here here it is. This is
This is from the Zachlow podcast on ESPN,

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when Jonathan Givanni's joining him to talk
about Kyle Filipowski. He's competitive,

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Uh, you know, the workouts
weren't great. If people tell me there

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were question marks about the interviews.
They said he was nervous, he didn't

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make shots at the Pro day,
you know, what's going on with his

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girlfriend? This is all nonsense.
It's hard to find a seven footer like

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Kyli Philippowski. Who is this ski? You know, somebody needs to drop

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him way early in the second round. Wait a second, Wait a second,

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wait a second. I'm obviously out
of a loop on what the what

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the young kids are talking about?
What's going on with his girlfriend? You

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need to over a girlfriend. She's
like twenty five or twenty six, and

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people are like, oh, this
is weird, and it's like, give

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me a freaking weak guys, that's
what doesn't talk to his parents, you

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know, like it's, oh my
god, I gotta get this guy in

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the podcast I got so I don't
know if Giovanni's, you know, in

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somehow, if he's trying to help
Filipowski out, but he apparently didn't really

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tell the whole truth there. So
apparently Kyle Filipowski's girlfriend is not like an

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old lady cougar, but she's nine
years older than him, and the belief

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is that she's kind of become like, I mean, he doesn't talk to

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his parents anymore because of her,
Like she's kind of like running the show

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for him. She's an older woman
again, it's not like, you know,

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we're not talking Bill Belichick in the
twenty four year old, which she

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was younger than that, wasn't she
It was no, that was right on

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the money. Yeah, So it's
not like that. But apparently, like

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if they're gonna when the NBA drafts
you a franchise in the NBA, they're

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making an investment. So before you
make an investment, you're gonna do all

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your homework. And there are now
people that believe that one of the reasons

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why he's been passed on is because
they they don't you know, they don't

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think that maybe he's head's in the
right place and maybe he's got somebody in

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his ear that's gonna keep him from
developing or something like that. I mean,

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I I have no clue if that's
why. Nobody knows if that's why

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he wasn't drafted. But you know, the Internet is a great resource for

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a lot of unpaid amateur investigators to
do some some pretty good work at times.

406
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.839
And it looks as if this girl
was not really in his life.

407
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.279
And then I think last summer and
he didn't look he didn't have a great

408
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.079
year at Duke. I mean,
as far as what expectations were. I

409
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.599
think he was preseason ACC Player of
the Year, and you know, he

410
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.119
didn't have an awful year, but
I don't feel like he you know,

411
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.000
he came back as a preseason first
team All America and he certainly wasn't that

412
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:06.920
in his in his second season at
Duke. But man, I don't know,

413
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.039
Like if I was an NBA GM
and I kind of felt like this

414
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.599
guy didn't didn't necessarily like that.
I already feel like he's aligned with somebody

415
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:18.759
who may be a distraction. That
would be a red flag for me.

416
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.680
Imagine if he went undrafted, that'd
be crazy, that would and it would

417
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.880
become a story then like he'd be
a national people would would would absolutely be

418
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.200
fair in assuming that that had a
factor in it, because there's really no

419
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:34.519
especially in a weak draft, right
Like you're missing out on a golden opportunity

420
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.240
if you're letting And I know he's
a young kid and we were all that

421
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.319
young at some point, but you
know, it sucks if you're letting some

422
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.839
something like that ruin your opportunity.
And this isn't fair to say because there's

423
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:53.680
always context that we don't have access
to and awareness of But when I hear

424
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.000
people don't talk to their parents,
I just can't imagine. I can't relate.

425
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.359
And I just assumed that they must
have done something really horrific for that

426
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.279
to happen, and they must be
awful people, because I can't imagine not

427
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.880
talking to my parents and like,
you know, excluding them from my life.

428
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.240
But I don't get the sense that
Kyle Philipowski had a hard upbringing to

429
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.880
where he's you know, his parents
weren't involved in his life. Maybe I'm

430
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.759
stereos Maybe I'm doing the stereotypical thing. I just assume he's a rich white

431
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.400
dude who ended up at Duke.
Maybe I'm way off. He also has

432
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.160
the Duke name Kyle Philipowski, so
this is about Duke. We don't need

433
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.799
to do the Dukies. I mean, he's a duchie. I mean I

434
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:37.799
hate that there's a there's a true
trail of players who fit the duke stereotype.

435
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.720
Well, and let's be honest,
like this has nothing to this talent.

436
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.359
He showed his ass during the season
when he was flopping like Grayson Allen,

437
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.359
and it wasn't just that he kept
doing it. He acted to be

438
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:49.880
fair. He acted like a little
bit about it and went on social media

439
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:56.880
and was childish about it. So
you know, those things may sound petty,

440
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:03.119
but if you're not a level like
no brainer, this guy has tools

441
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.599
that you'll never never see again in
talent that's just unbelievable. If you're one

442
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.759
of maybe six to seven guys like
you in the draft, at your position,

443
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:17.799
at your you know, projected ceiling, little things will knock you down

444
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.240
to where you're in the You're on
the back end of those six or seven

445
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:23.240
guys. So we'll see all right
real quick before we get to our next

446
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:29.680
break. So last night, uh, on the ESPN coverage after the draft,

447
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:34.319
it was uh, Tim Legler Kendrick
Perkins discussing, you know, the

448
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:41.440
first round and then of course talking
about the second round. And I'm curious,

449
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.720
are they told they have to be
told by producers to talk about Bronnie

450
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.000
James because it's one thing if it's
just you know, the you know,

451
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:55.680
the the the hosts that are that
are driving the show, right like Legler,

452
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.960
I guess if anything, they're just
asked the question because these guys have

453
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.599
to know the Bronnie James thing is
just you know, it's it's nonsense,

454
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.440
like he's gonna get drafted, but
like everybody knows, it's not because he's

455
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.960
supposed to be some great player,
it's because of his dad. So I

456
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.559
guess the fact that everybody knows he's
gonna get drafted, I guess it's not

457
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.559
a crazy question to ask who's gonna
do it. And now, of course

458
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.079
today I think it might have been
WOJ who was on one of the shows

459
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:23.160
earlier today that the Lakers are growing
very interested in Brownie James, as if

460
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:29.839
like there's not some obvious connection,
you know, But Tim Legler said this,

461
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.960
and I gotta tell you this,
This won't happen, but it should.

462
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:38.759
Boston. So like movies, I
like true crime stuff like that's I'm

463
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:44.480
just saying. Fifty fourth pick.
We renewed the Cold War between the Celtics

464
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.039
and the Lakers. The Boston Celtics
take Brownie James, and he sent a

465
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:52.039
ransom note to the Lakers. We
have your son. We have your son.

466
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.279
If you want him back, if
you want him back, it's gonna

467
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.640
takes. It's gonna take whatever you
will. What do you think, What

468
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.880
do you think? That's a Netflix
doc, That's a Netflix doctor that works.

469
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:15.160
We have your son I love that
nobody would ever do that. But

470
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:22.039
if you are somebody in the I
don't know, you got the thirty sixth

471
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.720
pick or whatever it is, and
you want somebody on the Lakers roster,

472
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.480
if you drafted Bronnie James, I
mean, I don't think the Lakers would

473
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.640
ever actually go through with doing the
obvious, which would be giving up a

474
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.079
really good player to get Lebron's son, Like they wouldn't. They wouldn't do

475
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.119
it, but you know, Lebron
would would try to get them to do

476
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.680
it right like he would, or
he would find a way to get to

477
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.119
where his son was, you know
what I'm saying, Like, that's what

478
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.559
he would do. Like people,
I don't. I wouldn't call it petty,

479
00:31:52.559 --> 00:32:00.440
but I think a lot of people
underestimate Lebron running everything like he just

480
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:08.079
does. They ended up hiring the
coach who he created a podcast with during

481
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:15.039
the NBA season so people could hear
JJ Reddick's basketball acumen. And some people

482
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.319
believe and this didn't I mean,
I don't believe it necessarily, but the

483
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:25.920
whole Dan Hurley to the Lakers,
they didn't offer him a crazy deal they

484
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.319
made. You know, it would
have been a good deal in the NBA.

485
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.759
But it wasn't as if the Lakers
were I mean, and the Lakers

486
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.839
can afford anything like It's almost as
if they could say they tried to hire

487
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:40.200
somebody that Lebron didn't endorse, and
how good of a ride would was it

488
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:44.640
for Dan Hurley? Like you know, this whole thing could have been a

489
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.480
smoke screen. I'm not much of
a conspiracy theorist, and I can't say

490
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:52.720
that I deep down truly believe that. But I mean, Lebron would do

491
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.759
anything to get his son on the
Lakers, and if somebody drafts him instead

492
00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.799
of the Lakers, I mean,
I wouldn't put anything past Lebron. Just

493
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.960
put it that way. All right, quick break, we'll come back on

494
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.279
the other side. Let you hear
a little more of Pat Kelsey's comments from

495
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.000
his press conference earlier today. Good
to hear coach Kelse talking some ball.

496
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:16.119
But I really liked what he had
to say about the leadership from this team,

497
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.720
and he didn't single anybody out,
but as you know, but that

498
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.799
didn't mean that they're not going to
have good leadership. So there's a couple

499
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.440
more clips we'll play from Coach Kelsey
before we get out of here, so

500
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:30.359
stick around right here on Sports Talk
seven ninety. Even if I wanted to

501
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.279
lie to you guys, I told
myself yesterday at the start of the show

502
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.440
whenever I did not realize that yesterday
was the first day of the NBA Draft

503
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.920
because I assumed it was still a
one day thing that always, you know,

504
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.440
always takes place on a Thursday.
Well, yesterday, on a Wednesday,

505
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.599
they did just one round, and
for reasons I don't know, they're

506
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.359
doing the second round live. Now. I would have never known that.

507
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.119
I mean I did see some people
on Twitter, like you know, the

508
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.440
national accounts I follow, and I
thought they were doing mock draft stuff,

509
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.680
but no, they were revealing live
NBA draft picks that are going on as

510
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:08.559
we speak, which I mean,
why would it be on a Thursday afternoon

511
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:14.639
at four o'clock, especially when you
only have thirty what thirty more picks left

512
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:19.679
to do? I don't understand this
at all, no me, and you

513
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:25.360
know what sucks is that they're kind
of doing a disservice to these guys that

514
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.119
are getting drafted to where they're not
getting the same level of spotlight and attention.

515
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.480
I mean, the moment's still there. They're hearing their name called,

516
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.960
and if they're in attendance, they're
walking up to go across the stage and

517
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.960
whatnot. But that's shit. I
mean, you know, Kendrick Haskins and

518
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.400
Buddy Kendrick at way three, he
made a really good point that this feels

519
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:51.159
like a COVID thing, like you
know, right now the live coverage on

520
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:57.079
ESPN is Stephen A. Smith,
Malik Andrews, Bob Ryan and WOJ and

521
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.280
they're not I mean, I don't
think they're at the draft. This is

522
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.440
like an afterthought type of broadcast.
How does this happen? Like somebody helped

523
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.000
me here? And there may be
like a really logical answer, but I

524
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.880
don't know what it is. Like
what else? What else is ESPN going

525
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:16.599
to be broadcasting tonight? I don't
know. I mean, baseball, let

526
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.719
me see. I mean, I
don't get it. I thought we were

527
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.519
going to get basically the same thing
tonight that we got last night. And

528
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.239
I'm thinking, hell yeah, like
just two days, I mean, and

529
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:36.400
I thought it'd be great, but
you know, the hell do I know?

530
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.599
And for what it's worth, there
have been picks made in the last

531
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.679
twenty minutes or so, and one
of those picks was a guy we were

532
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.920
just talking about, Kyle Flapaski,
who went with the thirty second picks,

533
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.920
which is the second pick in the
second round, to the Utah Jazz.

534
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.159
So the other picks are Jonathan Magbo
who was the first pick of the second

535
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:57.920
round from San Francisco, Tyler Smith
from the G League Knight went to the

536
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.280
Bucks at thirty three, Tyler Kollock
of marquev Point Guard went to the Blazers.

537
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.559
Johnny Furfey of Kansas that was probably
the other name that was a surprise

538
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.000
outside of Philipowski that was still available
as we started the second round today.

539
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:15.960
And then one Nuniez from Spain international
player is with my Pacers. And then

540
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.960
Bobby Kleintman from Sweden was just taken
by the Minnesota Timberwolves. So there you

541
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:23.400
go, all right, not a
lot of time left here in the four

542
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.480
o'clock hours, so let's let you
guys here once again. Pat Kelsey,

543
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.440
I think I'm trying to I think
I may have mislabeled some of my clips

544
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.280
here, which you know is my
fault, but I think this is him

545
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.679
either getting ready to be asked about
the Bahamas trip or might be the beginning

546
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.960
of him discussing the trip. But
here we go this thing, come about.

547
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.880
What do you hope to get out
of it? Yeah, first of

548
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.960
all, tip of the cap to
our administration for making this happen in a

549
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:59.079
very very short turnaround, because it's
not something that was planned on. Again,

550
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:05.480
that's commitment of basketball being good around
here and the things that it takes

551
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.440
for basketball to be good, the
win to be at our back and with

552
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:14.480
a completely new roster, signing thirteen
players in two and a half months coming

553
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.400
from parts all over. You're limited
in a lot of ways in terms of

554
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.800
the NCAA rules. In the amount
of time you can be on the floor

555
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.199
with your players per week. I'm
sure all you guys are aware of this,

556
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:30.400
maybe not the specifics, but four
hours is the time that you're allowed

557
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.800
to spend on basketball that includes film, that includes anything on the floor.

558
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.880
Obviously, you have additional time for
other things like strength and conditioning. And

559
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.920
conditioning the total number of hours is
eight. When you go on a foreign

560
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.519
trip, the NCAA allows you,
on top of those four hours that you

561
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:51.400
have throughout the week, to have
ten full practice days. The time of

562
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.119
type of practice days that you would
have throughout the course of the season where

563
00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:01.880
there aren't those type of limitations.
So it's great. It really allows us

564
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.440
to speed up kind of the growth
curve of this team, both implementing what

565
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.559
we do, how we do it, our system, our terminology, teaching

566
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.480
guys, how we practice the philosophy
being that, you know, when we

567
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:21.599
get to the end of those ten
practices, we get a great head start,

568
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.599
you know, so when we get
back together when it really really starts

569
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.679
ramping up and it counts for real, when practice starts at the end of

570
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.679
September and the being of October,
we could look back to these ten practices

571
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.719
and go, man, you know, we're way farther ahead than we should

572
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.840
have been. So that was the
main point of it. Obviously, these

573
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.920
foreign tours there's a cultural aspect to
it as well, where you get to

574
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.639
leave the country go somewhere else that's
going to be cool. The other part

575
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.360
of it is just the team building, the team chemistry, the camaraderie,

576
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.800
the rapport through getting to spend more
time together on the floor, and then

577
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.840
you know, obviously going on a
trip together, being a pretty darn cool

578
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.880
hotel and resort for a while getting
to know each other, putting some suntan

579
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.599
lotion on swimming during a little wave
surfing or whatever the crap you call it,

580
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.519
potty surfing. So we're gonna have
a good time as well. So

581
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.559
I think we'll be further along in
terms of our basketball system, and we'll

582
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.760
be further along in terms of you
know, what we call the power of

583
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.039
the unit. So again, those
are things that I'd mentioned that we're so

584
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:29.159
beneficial outside of just the basketball side
of it is the time together to gel

585
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.480
the camaraderie. And again ten days, I mean, that's that's just you

586
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.880
know, you by taking this trip, you get those days if you don't

587
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.079
take a trip, you know,
so it's almost silly not to do it,

588
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.239
to take advantage of it. And
Louisville has not been able to take

589
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.599
one for a variety of reasons.
You know, their last one was nine

590
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.840
years ago, and my goodness,
a lot has changed in the last nine

591
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.119
years. All Right, we'll have
a couple more clips actually from Pat Kelsey

592
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.679
to play for you guys. In
the five o'clock hours we get things reset.

593
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.119
One more hour to go. We'll
finish stronger. At least we're gonna

594
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.280
try to do that right here.
It's coffee and company feel by Thornton's on

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00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:00.320
Sports Talk seven ninety