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I'm in a scholarly mood. Lately, I'm in a stream, NonStop type

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of mood. We're gonna be covering
Malcolm Lambert's magisterial book Medieval Heresies. Excuse

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me, Medieval Heresy. I took
these notes back in about two thousand and

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five or six when I read the
book when I was doing my undergrad It

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wasn't related to my classes, none
of my classes really. I had a

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few medieval classes. They didn't really
deal with medieval church history. A few

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did, but it was just an
interest of my own. So we'll be

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covering this book in depth. This
will be at least a two part lecture,

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maybe more because of the amount of
material, and back then in my

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twenties, I took copious notes.
I would take hundreds of pages of notes

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to remember things and one or two
classes away. For I'm a double major

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in history, so I do have
quite a bit of historical reading under my

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belt. Malcolm Lambert's book is,
of course one of the probably classic scholarly

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works on the medieval heresy movements,
grigoryan Reform all the way up to right

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before the Reformation. So we'll get
up to Jean huss and some of the

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pre Reformation characters. I think Wickliffe
might even come up. I don't recall,

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but I think the book ends with
the Bohemian Prague Reformation characters. And

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I don't recall if I started my
note taking a little bit into the book,

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but my notes begin with the spiritual
Franciscans and the heretical Joachamites. These

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come up in many modern analyzes of
the history of revolutionary thought. So if

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you're interested in the history of Marxism
communists, many people will point to the

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Joakimites. Even Cardinal Ratzinger in his
book Introduction of Christianity. I think he's

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got a section on Jokim Fior.
Jordan Peterson also has commented on Yoakim of

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Fior. So these are important characters. This is going to be pretty dense.

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It's not going to be It'll be
like the Pelicon introduction that we did

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five hour lecture covering the totality of
Pelican Volume one. I will eventually do

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the totality of Pelican Volume two and
Pelican Volume three. These are really good

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and this book fits in with those. Also potentially irrelevant is a book kind

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of similar to what we're doing tonight
it's Western focused, but Marcia Colish's book

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Medieval Foundations of the Western Intellectual Tradition, I read this back in the two

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thousands as well. Let's get into
it. So another reason we're doing this

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is because we want to look back, after many years of reflecting on Orthodox

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theology and being grounded in that mindset, to reflect on the analysis that I

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had of Roman Catholicism back in about
two thousand and four or five when I

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read this as a young trad I
think I was a Latin mascower at this

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time two thousand and four or five. So let's look at where Malcolm Lambert

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takes us the Franciscan problem. A
lot of these problems, by the way,

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will be problems due to the theological
infasies and dialectical struggles in the West

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after the East West Split twelve seventy
four. This is relevant because twelve seventy

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four is right about the time that
we would say, I mean, yeah,

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there's ten fifty four, But twelve
seventy four is when the Roman Caelat

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dogmatic at the Council of Lyons states
the double hypostatic procession, the doctrine that

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orthodoxy does not accept welcome everybody.
We've got tonight one hundred and sixty six

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nerds, and we're going to be
getting into some deep stuff. So Francis

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of Assisi, as you know,
he's one of the most famous Roman Catholic

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saints. France of Assisi is the
probably the most notable, most recognizable of

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the Roman Catholic saints, other than
you know, Mary or something like that.

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But there's some great articles, by
the way that will contrast the saints

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in Orthodoxy versus the saints in Rome
Catholicism, and what we start to see

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is a difference in the devotion and
the mystical experiences at this very time period.

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The different orders of rom Catholicism will
be contrasted to the pretty standard orders

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of Orthodox monastas. There's just one
kind of Orthodox monastas and there's not all

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these different orders, so to speak. Now, Francis is interesting because he

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comes at a time when there was
a lot of religious political corruption, a

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lot of bishops buying off bishoprics,
simony, this kind of stuff. Political

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guy's buying off bishops, and so
Francis has the idea at his death of

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a testament, and so he puts
forth this quote testament, and the later

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Franciscans themselves ironically will turn worldly and
become very powerful, and there will be

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a later counter action to return to
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One of the first spiritual quote unquote
Franciscans is the character Peter Olivi LVI

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was dominated dominate the mind of all
the quote spirituals. He worked out the

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consistent what was seen to be the
consistent poverty doctrine of the Franciscans. The

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use of goods was viewed by Peter
Olive as a mortal sin an absurd doctrine.

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But nevertheless, apparently Peter thought that
was the case. The Roman Catholic

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Saint Bonaventure did not accept this as
except he thought this was too rigorous,

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and so Bonavnder said, now having
property itself is not inherently sinful, And

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in fact, the property used was
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was under the rule of Peter,
and if Peter accepted it, then it

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was okay. But you'll notice that
the locus of the corruption here there is

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a legitimate critique, because of the
Roman Catholic papacy had attained to such a

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worldly palatial status in terms of money
and so forth. And so this is

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part of the reason of why there's
a reaction on the part of these Franciscans

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due to the actual corruption. The
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the Dominicans, of course, Thomas
Aquinas the dominant fam most famous Dominican

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dominic founder of the Order of Dominicans, and the Dominicans, of course had

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a much more theological philosophical approach and
would reason with this and said, you

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guys are really unreasonable. There's nothing
wrong with owning property. Olivie, however,

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prepared the way interestingly enough for William
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this bothered many Franciscans. So OLIVI
was pretty much a radical. He had

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some really weird philosophical use. And
you'll prepare the way for William of Aaukham,

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the first nominalist. This is when
we'll begin to see nominalism rise to

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the fore. But already you can
begin to see the preparations laid for what

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will come centuries later in terms of
communism, and most people do. In

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terms of historical analysis. I've spent
many classes in undergrad and grad school studying

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the history of revolutionary movements and communism. They will go back to Yochim and

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Francisco, so you do begin to
get out of the dialectics of this period,

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the coming rise of communism. Welcome. We get over two hundred nerds

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this, give me a like.
You're gonna learn a lot tonight because most

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people aren't familiar with this period.
And even I had forgot. I mean,

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you know, it's fifteen years ago
that I took these notes. Even

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I forgot in some of this material, all right, two decades after Peter

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Olivi's death, I didn't write down
when that was. The Council of Vienne

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is called thirteen twelve. Now,
this is one of the Roman Catholic Frankish

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in the sense of France King of
France right councils. It still did not

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pin a condemnation on Peter Olivie because
of these many disputes going on at this

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time and he never receives the scholastic
academic recognition that many I guess of his

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followers had hoped for. Many of
them believed Peter Olive's persecution was actually a

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sign of the end times. The
next important spiritual Franciscan is Joachim Ifiora.

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Joakim took his cue after Peter Olive's
death, and he is the Olive's own

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thoughts on esca hology appeared to be
unclear. However, Joachim was convinced that

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Olivia was speaking prophetically. Yoakim died
under the Pope Innocent the third, and

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he spent his life studying the patterns
in history with scriptures. So Joakim had

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this idea, we can match up
all these patterns in history to his perceived

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end time speculation, and that because
of the corruption, now this, you

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know, a couple of centuries into
three centuries into the second millennium here after

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Christ, this has to be the
end times, right, everybody, Oh,

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it's always this, We are in
the end times. And so he

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had these really kind of arbitrary assumptions
that he would pin onto scripture with the

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different patterns of the end times that
he had come up with There were,

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however, three popes at this time
that encouraged Joachim in his ideas. Lucius

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the second, Clement the third,
and Urban the second all encouraged. If

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you are yet his writings received a
condemnation for trinitarian errors at the fourth Lateran

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Council. His views on history and
the future were not condemned, however,

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and so many people would still appeal
to this. I mean, why are

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you going to appeal to a trinitarian
heretic to for these for a bunch of

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end time speculation. I don't know, but nevertheless many people afterwards will continue

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to do that. Even up into
today. People think this guy was relevant.

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I mean, if you're bad enough
that the Roman Catholic synods condemn you

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for Trinityan errors, which themselves are
based on trinitarian errors, then you got

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to be pretty bad. And I
think it relates to his You know,

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there's the age of the father,
age of the Son, and then the

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age of the Holy Spirit, which
is ludicrous. His views on history in

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the future. I already read that
these views were very influential in the thirteenth

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century, so this is a big
debate of the third teenth century. His

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idea was this, there is a
coming third Age of the Spirit, and

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this was going to be exemplified in
the religious orders. So there would be

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this like big revival of the Spirit
in this final age. It would it

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would like purify and cleanse the religious
orders, the Franciscans, Dominicans, all

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of them the church, and they
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He attempted to predict a bunch of
this end time stuff. He was like

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a Roman Catholic John Hagy type of
character, or Hawl Lindsey predicting the end.

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However, he did excuse me,
I misread my nose. He never

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attempted to predict the dates, so
I was wrong about that. But he

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did say that they were coming in
his lifetime, so he kind of did.

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That's a little unclear, Joachim said. The second age, which is

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the age of the revelation of the
Sun, was the age of the clerics.

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Right. The third age, the
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with the rise of the spiritual Franciscans
and monastics in the church to cleanse and

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purify the church. It's just really
weird ideas sat Saint Benedict, well,

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for us, he's a saint.
Excuse mean Benedict is the saint. He

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says that the spiritual age began with
Saint Benedict. That Orthodox also recommend or

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recognized. But Joachim was unsure that
he personally would not enter into this age,

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but it would come before his death, and then the spiritual age would

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really kick in when certain abbots came
in to control of the Franciscan and Dominican

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orders. The instant tutions of the
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of the spirit, and then they
would cleanse the church. Thank you for

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those super chantsmen, I was appreciated. I'll get those to those in a

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little bit. Franciscans were most influenced
by Yoikim. That the Old Testament provided

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prophetic parallels was commonplace in his day. It was common to look back at

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the Old Testament find patterns for the
periods of the New Testament Church era.

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Thus, because there was a parallel
of the Old Testament events, there would

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then be some there would be the
same events of the New Testament, and

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so it focused on a lot of
these numeric principles. So they would actually

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try to find numerological, spiritual,
allegorical meanings to try to prove these things.

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In twelve sixty. It happened to
be the year twelve sixty for some

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reason, in terms of people's calculations, happened to be some kind of a

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famous date for the supposed end of
the world. Flagelence went wild at this

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time in Italy and Germany and the
Alps. Many many of these ecstatic Flagelens

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were going nuts, whipping kicking their
own butts, and they focused this movement

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focused on this radical asceticism that's not
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From twelve sixty to twelve ninety.
Then it dies up down. I guess

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many Franciscan friars speculated that Joachim's prophecies
were related to France of Assisi, so

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they thought Francis was bringing in this
final spiritual age. Some people even thought

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that Francis Assisi was the sixth angel
of the apocalypse. Here we go,

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this is the plug in isogesus method
of whatever you think is going on,

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plug that into the apocalypse, and
that this would herald the new age.

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Note of course, that typically speaking, this doesn't characterize Eastern and Byzantine theology.

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There may have been periods when people
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in every century somebody thought we're in
that last days. But these kind of

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wild dialectical things like this, I
mean, it just it's not present in

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the Byzantine normative way of living at
this time period. So the two churches

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have clearly gone, you know,
in two different directions. And the next

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guy, I don't know how to
pronounce this. I don't know. I

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can't speak Italian. I guess this
guy is Italian or yeah. Guelmia Guiliema

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was a dude who died in twelve
eighty one in Milan. He was burned

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by the Inquisition. She so she
was a woman, heretic, a prophetess,

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and her initiates received her as an
incarnation of the spirit. So notice

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the bizarre Western trinitarian views have now
given rise to bizarre heterodox notions of the

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incarnation. Now, the third person
of the Godhead can become incarnate. I

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mean, we saw this in the
Montanous Montanus said he was the incarnation of

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the Holy Spirit in the early Church. We're getting the same sort of flower.

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And by the way, I'm not
saying that this kind of heresy was

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only in the Latin West. I
mean the Boga mills come out of the

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East. They will come out of
the Orthodox East and infiltrate the West.

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I'm not trying to oversimplify this,
but I do think a lot of these

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movements in this period of the Latin
Church do arise because of that theology and

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because of Trinitarian mistakes. Now some
of these notes I can't read, so

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you'd have to forgive me. There
behind these people believe that a woman from

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their midst would be the incarnation of
the Holy Spirit. Her name was Manfreda.

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I'm not sure what my notes mean
here, So there's a I think

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there's a movement. I don't know. I can't tell what im They received

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her as Manfreda. I guess they
believe she was the woman. They called

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her, that she would be the
first woman pope and angelic pope. She

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would convert the Jews and Muslims and
usher in the New Age. There would

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be female cardinals and clergy. With
this new age, there would be four

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new Gospels this time period. Notice
the heretics when they pop back up,

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it's the same stuff. Montanus said
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had two women prophetesses, and they
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so my notes about her in there, Oh you know what, my

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notes are out of order. Dang, I just realized that. Well,

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so I'm not going to go back
and start over. We're gonna sep skip

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back a little bit because these old
notes. That page is from a little

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bit further. So we're going to
skip back, Sorry about that, to

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ten seventy eight. Robert King,
Robert the Pious. We're looking at Orleans.

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Stephen the Confessor seduces the Queen of
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this is under ten seventy eight under
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becomes a Manichean and other potential converts
apparently snitched on this king. Anyway,

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the core of this belief was a
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all their sins and knew all of
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they would therefore deny the incarnation,
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valid. So I apologize. I
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didn't realize it was out of order. I just thought my nose began Franciscans,

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but we're going to go back a
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these heretics that will begin to kick
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stuff. It begins with this I
can't read my notes. Sorry, Stephen

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the Confessor in Orleans. I don't
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he seduces a queen. At this
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captured and interrogated and convicted and burned
some of the original nascent heretics here that

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are going to kick all this off. And he burned down a house full

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of these heretics. It's pretty crazy. One of these guys was Paul the

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Monk, who wrote of the tale. No excuse me. Paul the Monk

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is who records this at this time, and he says that the heretics were

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notorious for having secret orgies. A
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of years earlier, in Milan twelve
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is suspected of housing heretics by the
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a guy named Gerard, who is
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heretics early on in Milan taught that
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intercourse was absolutely wrong. To eat
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is always wrong to have private property. Remember this, So we're going we've

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gone back a couple centuries. These
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heretical spiritual Franciscans. They came up
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where the Father is God, the
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and the Holy Spirit is the understanding
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Spirit is identified with the reason.
Uh, this is reminiscent. They were

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reminiscent of Jean Scotus Ergina and they
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I guess, and he wasn't as
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influenced him. But they viewed they
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Christ alone is the head pontiff.
There are no popes, and these sect

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members would actually kill men, kill
one another before death. So if if

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you were going to die, the
sect would come and go ahead and kill

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you. So they didn't let anybody
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twenty eight. Okay, so this
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with the heretics and mont Orleans,
and you're starting to notice a pattern of

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breaks out ten twenty eight, Milan
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Aquitaine the Peace of God heresy.
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older manniche intexts and just rehashed this
and represented it us in ten twenty five,

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a day the bishop Gerrard had discovered
a group of pratical movements within his

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jurisdiction and have them imprisoned. These
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the validity of marriage. So notice
what keeps popping up here is for some

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reason, in different regions. I
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that these different regions in the eleventh
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It's very bizarre. So I don't
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us know if there's one source from
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if it's just happening to pop up
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Garrard in r as they began to
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rehashed Marcionite ideas. They thought that
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love and the Old Testament was teaching
a mean God. They thought that their

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ascetic practices of rejecting marriage was called
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sins and corruption of the clerical priesthood, these groups had all the clerics,

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had all made their sacraments invalid,
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Thus the heretics reason baptism was unnecessary. Bishop of Garrard argued that understanding

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scripture lay with the hierarchy and the
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laymen. The I can't read that
note something about the heretics. Oh,

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the heretics were invited to a meeting
to defend their views, and the records

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of the meetings claimed that the heretics
had been stupefied by the end of the

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debate. So I don't know if
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you're starting to see these things pop
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popped up the Soissons. Al Debart
was a rural preacher who started walking around

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Germany and declared himself a saint and
distributed toenails and hair clippings to all of

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his followers. So he was creating
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Right, here's my toenail clippings.
Dog. Another weird heretic Theuda. How'd

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you like to be named? Theuda? Theota was a prophetess quote unquote who

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received visions of the end of the
world. These vision were imminent and they

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were coming to Mainz. We noticed
the patterns here. What are the patterns

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in time? Speculation? Sex is
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right, contrasted with legitimate criticisms of
clergy who are corrupt. So now I

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don't know why I keep going back
in time. I don't know if my

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notes were out of order. But
a little bit earlier similar movements, I

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guess. In the late ninth century
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he had come up with an a
conoclasm heresy where he said that we should

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have no images in Christian worship,
and no cross veneration, there be no

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cult of saints, there will be
no more privilege of pilgrimages. And the

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pope is the successor to the pope
is not a successor Peter. Peter's premiacy

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died with him. So I think
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the Bishop of Turin had fallen into
this heresy, and that could be because

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he was influenced by the fact that
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If you don't know that we covered
that with Snack, go listen to

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the Frankish papacy stream that I do
with Snack. I think that's what my

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note is saying. If I get
some of these facts wrong, they'll go

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too hard on me because I'm trying
to decode college notes that I wrote fifteen

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years ago. From the death of
Louis the Pious to the breakdown of the

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Carolinian Empire, there does not appear
to be a major Latin outbreak of heretical

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movements. I'm not saying that the
Carolinians are Orthodox, They're not. What

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I'm saying is that from the vantage
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there doesn't appear to be a major
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the Carolinians, and then when they
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what this book is talking about as
heresies, meaning these resurgent gnostic movements is

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what they're talking about. All right, welcome everybody, we've got to go

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a little crowd here late night nerds
to twenty three to twenty three nerds late

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at night. Welcome. Thank you
for those super chats. You can always

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superchat via stream labs. In the
show description, I'll get to those in

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a minute. Death penalty for heretics. Since the Church, of course,

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had penetrated all society, we begin
to see the state having penalties for heretical

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movements. Now a lot of people
think this is oh, this is so

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mean and so mean. There's a
reason for this because typically speaking, heretical

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movements were not just a theological debate. They also represented social revolution, you

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see, And that's part of the
reason why the states, the various states

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would go so hard on heresy is
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In the authorities of the time,
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heresy and revolution or rebellion went together
because they did so if we begin at

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this time period, I don't know
if this is ninth or tenth century.

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My notes are fail at this point, but right around this time period tenth

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century nineteenth century. At Orleans,
heretics are first burnt, where the Queen

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of Orleans struck out her confessor's i. At Milan the heretics were committed to

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the purge excuse me, to the
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at Goslan heretics were hung. So
death penalty for heretics is beginning at this

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time period. And by the way, in the East it's not unheard of.

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There were the tendency like in the
Justinian the code of Justinian is that

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the church would make a pronouncement,
hand them over to the emperor, to

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the imperium to make a decision,
and sometimes that was banishment, sometimes it

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was some other kind of fine,
and there were instances of death. So

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it's not totally unheard of in the
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This is a weird one. Uh. Leutard of Vitus, Leutard of Vitus,

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tarred of Vitus real Gun. I
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Now, this guy thought that bees
had entered his peepee, and because the

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bees had flown down his p hole
in a dream, I'm not joking.

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In a dream, the bees told
him to leave his wife and go live

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in the fields as a hermit.
So he, being impelled by the bee

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spirits that entered his peepee, he
broke into the village church, grabbed the

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crucifix and said there were no need
to pay ties to the church. He

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took that crucifix and started preaching in
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Some of what the prophets and apostles
said Leotard proclaimed was useful. However,

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it was better to follow leotarda vitas. Leotard, it appeared, had

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come in contact with the Boga mills. Now the Boga mills are going to

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become important here because the Bogamels are
these heretical gnostic ideas that were centered in

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the East. So they came from
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and they influenced some of these weirdos
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donatus ideas in that you were batter
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The Donatists were known to fling themselves
off of buildings and fall down wells

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to induce their own martyrdom. So
Leotard, like the Donatus, committed suicide

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by throwing himself down a well.
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according to leotarda vitas, some kind
of like you know, infection or

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std. And this was early tenth
century. Okay, so my notes are

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a little out of worder. But
this guy is interesting because the bees possessed

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his wee weeze. Heresy in the
early tenth century did not last only in

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the Diocese of Charlon Sir Marney in
Liege. As far as our records show

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only those places. Does appear that
more than once in any given sight,

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it seems to have been snuffed out
by the state repressing the possibility of heretics

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preaching openly. Extinguishing heretical circles as
soon as they were discovered did not allow

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them to continue or flourish without having
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heresies died out within a few years
or within that generation, as soon as

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the publicity was done. The heretics
were done. After the hanging of the

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accursed from the Upper Lorraine in ten
fifty one. Silence descends upon all heretical

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movements for a good while. That's
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Heresies. Now we're moving up to
where I originally thought we had started my

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notes out of order. I'll try
to put these back in order twelfth century

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heresies. Early in the twelfth century, heresies began to reappear. The eleventh

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century heretics sought flight from the world
in the church. Twelfth century heretics now

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took on a dogmatic issues themselves and
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Catholic Church preaching gets more aggressive.
Heresy arcs use physical force in this period.

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One example of this is forgive me
snack. I don't know how to

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pronounce these things. Allon des letois
Allon des Lettois mobilized a peasant force to

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rob churches in Brittany. Arnold of
Brescia mobilized republican government, a revolutionary republican

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government to hold Rome against the pope. Heretics began to care for social concerns

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and made the social concerns an intimate
part of their New Gospel. As usual,

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heretics mobilize the state as a means
to control influence and put bishoprics in

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the church. As we will see
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and by the way, papal o
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We see the heretical Byzantine emperors to
try to control the church Heterodox iconoclass

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emperors. We see it in the
West here with the heretics in these cases

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trying to get heretical kings to change
the church. In the time of the

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Reformation, the exact same thing will
happen German princes a lie with Luther to

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change the church. The incidents prefigured
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the knight Erlin Bald and his brother
Landulf, notary of the church at

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Milan. Erlin Bald almost ersurped a
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He just took it, or he
almost did all right. Next famous heretic

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of the period, Henry the Monk
Henry Mink was a wandering preacher and apostate

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monk, and he may have been
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He entered it looks like I said, Kmart, but I can't read my

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note. He entered something to preach
some city. I can't tell what city

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my note is, but if you
look up Henry the monkham sure you can

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find it. He entered the city
in eleven sixteen and proceeded by two of

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his disciples carrying a cross and an
iron tipped staff. Proceed he walked in

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bearded, barefoot, and wearing poor
clothing, so he had like an entourage

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basically of weirdos in front of them, carrying in a procession. At first,

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he only condemned the sins of the
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make peace with whatever this city is. I can't tell what my notes say.

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And he came with an odd dogma
that the prostitutes in the city needed

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to burn their hair and their clothes
if they stood nude before all poor I

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can't read what my nose is of
it. Anyway, they're supposed to marry

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other people. So he thought he
could like get them all to shave their

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head and stand nude, and then
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I guess he had a kind of
a good idea here, but was a

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little bit crazy here, however,
Henry the Monk was an anti rat became

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a radical anti cleric. He started
deciding that there was no need for any

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kind of sacraments or priesthood. Only
the individual was responsible to God. We'll

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hear this in the Reformation, and
there was no such a thing as original

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sin. And in fact, the
Pelagians were correct. It was not necessary

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at all to baptized infants. So
he crossed up. Infant baptism was a

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decision of an individual at an adult
age. They're no longer needed to be

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any prayers for the dead or any
Eucharist. Henry the Monk is a Baptist.

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Henry Baptist monk in uh, I
don't know what century eleven sixteen,

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here's your first So, by the
way, if you want to play the

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landmark Baptist game and trace everything back
here, you could probably do it with

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the Henry the Monk. Of course, you don't have to worry about actual

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you know, doctrines or you know, you can be anti Trinitarian or whatever.

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But at least you can find a
guy who had believers baptism. There's

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not a lineas really, but I
mean, you could find these kind of

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weirdos here and there. Peter of
Brius, or Peter Debris Debreux, he

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is our our major source for this
heretic. Peter is another Peter the Venerable.

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This is the beginning of the Petro
Brucians. The Petro Brucians will be

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pre Baptists. Baptists will say,
we like the Petro Brucians. So here

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here's where we start to get Baptist
stuff, not literally, but you know

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what I mean. But Peter the
Venerable, the the the writer, the

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chronicler, wrote the contra Petrobrusians.
So he wrote a treatise against these heretics.

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He says that this Henry the Monk
guy was one of the early founders

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of the Petribution sect. They probably
only had similar tendencies, and Peter might

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not have actually been a member,
but regardless of the same ideas. They

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didn't believe in having church buildings.
They didn't believe in church uh, prayers

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for the dead, no masses or
eucharists uh. In terms of the Petributions,

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Peter Debrew was doctrinally even further than
Henry. Peter said the Old Testament

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was full of evil, mean stuff, and that it was pagan to venerate

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the cross. Here Marcianism, iconoclasm, right back, right back where we

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were all right, Enter our first
Roman Catholic doctor of the church during this

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period, to fight with these guys, Bernard of Claireva. Of course you

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probably are familiar with Barnard. I've
got Bernard's treatises over here on my shelf.

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Bernard of Clavo, famous Roman Catholic
mystic, fought against Henry the Monk.

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He wrote against him at Toulouse and
successfully defeated Henry in his claims on

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the Populace in the year eleven forty. In the eleven forties, so Bernard

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00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:57.719
had a lot of success fighting against
this heretic reconvinced the crowd to go back

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with him. The church, according
to Peter Debrew, the Petributions was a

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00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.719
petro Brushians was a spiritual congregation just
of the faithful. So here we go

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00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.199
the invisible church heresy of the Calvinists
and the Protestants. Here it is with

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00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.000
this guy, Oh, you dirty
institutional church people. We're better than you.

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00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.920
We're the pure people. You're all
corrupt, and so we're the true

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00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:38.880
spiritual congregation. The Henritians, the
Henricians, the followers of Henry, not

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00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.639
exactly the same as the Petributions.
The Henritians, in agreement rejected all outward

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00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.559
forms of worship, so here they
have a noostic iconiclasm the Petributions. Also,

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00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.679
the petro Brucians rejected the Old Testament
explicitly, and all the church fathers,

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00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.159
every church tradition, anything like infant
Baptist or infant can Union. They

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00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:07.480
rejected a sacrificial Eucharist, singing in
the church, prayers for the dead,

446
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:16.519
any and they said their simple method
of proving this was a literal appeal to

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00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.559
the Gospels, by which they meant
they just whatever they read and what they

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00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.719
thought was the immediate meaning disproved all
this other stuff. Jesus didn't have prayers

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00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.760
for the dead, Jesus didn't have
a church, Jesus doesn't mention church,

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00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:37.400
but just really low iq peasant type
stuff. Basically, however, they oddly

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00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:44.559
believed that the Eucharist was a transformation, but it had only happened once at

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00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:50.760
the Last Supper. Okay, whatever
did, Christ had no intention of anyone

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00:44:51.000 --> 00:45:00.320
continuing the Eucharist after after this period, and so ironically no one should do

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00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:05.639
the Lord's Supper. So this actually
anticipates uh the Salvation Army heresy in general

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00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:12.000
booth if you didn't know, the
Budhists Bouthhism of the Salvation Army believe that

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00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:17.559
you should not have baptism or the
Lord's Supper weird. So Peter Debru acts

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as a kind of heretic heretical John
the Baptist. This is important because Peter

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Debrew is the John the Baptist that
will prepare the way for the great heretics

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of the Middle Ages. The Cathari
Catharie will be probably the most important,

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00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:45.960
outright crazy heretical and most powerful heretical
movement of this period. U tan Chalm

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of Antwerp. That's a cool name, psych how'd you like to be named?

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00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:58.719
Tan Chalm of Antwerp rejected all church
authorities. He popped up and gathered

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00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:05.159
a crowd of followers by preaching only
to the pedicants, and totally rejected any

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00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.440
need for an institutional church. The
institutional church was a brothel the horror of

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00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:16.239
revelation, and Tanchum said he himself
was God. He entered into a symbolic

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00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:23.199
marriage with a statue of Mary in
a bizarre ceremony, and also during this

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time people will prepare the way for
the rise of Gnosticism. I think we

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mentioned Arnold de Brescia, but Arnold
A Brescia of the eleven thirties studied under

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Peter Abbalard. However, Bernard of
Claraveau had Arnold A Brescia condemned. I

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00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:50.639
think Bernard has Peter Ablard condemned.
But at the council sins An eleven forty.

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But Arnold befriends Guy, a guy
named Guy who was the papal legate

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to Bohemia. Pope Eugenius the third
invited him to Row to keep watch over

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00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:07.840
him. But the Pope's involvement in
all of these temporal affairs agitated Arnold A

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Brescia. Arnold decided that the papacy
was corrupt and too involved in temporal politics,

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and so he gathered support from Roman
citizens and expelled Okay, this is

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the guy who had had the republican
revolution. He gathers together Roman citizens and

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00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:30.599
expels the pope and taught that the
emperor should receive the crown from the people

478
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and not the pope, because that
would be republican, not people. But

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this is also interesting because this is
where we're starting to see the rise of

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republicanism. You see many of these
gnostic sects will favor communal living Italian republic,

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Renaissance republic, Plato republic, Plato
communism in the republic. You see

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the tendency here that what pops up
here. Arnold's theology led him to an

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extreme democratic view of politics. Thus
there was no real hierarchy, and Pope

484
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:20.159
Hadrian the second hunted down Arnold a
Bricia and had him killed. Remember a

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00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.719
D'tois that we mentioned earlier. Aon
Dutois had gained a peasant following, and

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00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:30.480
through preaching to all these peasants,
had convinced them to oppose all externals in

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00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:37.440
religion, all buildings, all statues, images icons. He eventually declaimed proclaimed

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himself the son of God, and
had a scepter formed in the shape of

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a why, and called and deemed
his followers apostles, prophets, and angels.

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The why meant that two thirds belonged
to God and one third belonged to

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Satan. So he would like carry
the staff around and be like, these

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are the two thirds that belonged to
God and the rest. Because of the

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00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.199
Texan revelation that you know, one
third fell one third of the angels.

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The Council of Rhymes heard all of
his revelations and claims, and they all

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laughed. We mentioned, by the
way, counts of Rhymes that comes.

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00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.920
I don't there there may have been
more than one Council Rhyme, but it's

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mentioned in Denzinger is one of the
early ones that explicitly teaches absolutely mind simplicity

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in the radical sense, which is
in Denzinger. By the way, many

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of the theologians and scholars present at
the Council of Rhymes that laughed at a

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00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:51.920
Datois actually just said he was insane. But you notice that what's interesting is

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that the enthusiasts, these these insane
religious characters find it. It seems to

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be pretty easy to go out out
and just kind of gather and create a

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00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:09.920
cult, right, But you could
easily get burnt for doing this. Right.

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So first outbreak of the major heretics
that are going to be like a

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movement, right, we're going to
get to the Cathars. So all of

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this has prepped for the real heretics
of this period. The Catharie, the

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perfect, the pure, some connection
with Eastern Boga Mills of Byzantium and the

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Balkans had taken place. Nobody exactly
knows. According to Lambert, how the

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Bogamill heretics of Byzantium, who were
Gnostics who had gone into the Balkans had

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some kind of contact with these people
in Western Europe. Bernardo Clavo said that

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the Kathari had been influenced by three
heresies, the Manichean, the Sibelians,

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and the Arians. Right now,
Manichaeans are the duellists that taught that matter

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was evil and it was in some
sort of eternal battle with light, light

514
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versus matter or whatever. As we
know from my recent lecture, the Sibelians

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were modalists. They taught that father, son, and Spirit were just modes

516
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.920
of God, not three distinct persons. And of course we all know that

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Arians denied the full deity of the
Sun. The first outbreak of the Cathari

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Rhineland eleven forty three, a provost
tells Bernard of Clervaux that a group of

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heretics had organized their own bishopric and
Cologne. The provosts told Bernard that they

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held to a gnostic no meat,
that vegan view, and they had a

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laying on a hand ceremony that included
secret rights, secret society rights basically,

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and then ultimately they decided that marriage
was false. Now, remember, if

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00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:13.760
you read John of Damascus's heresiology,
which we mentioned many times, Apolitists many

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other church fathers talk about in their
heresiologies began groups, the Ebionites, the

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Incretites, the Pythagoreans, all mentioned
by John Damascus as vegan heretics. What's

526
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:37.000
popping up again here, vegan heretics
connected to their gnosticism. Now, why

527
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.599
would there be a connection between veganism
and gnoscissism. Why, it's quite easy.

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Let me explain to you. If
you don't believe in Genesis, or

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if you believe that Genesis is an
evil god, what does the evil god

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of Genesis tell Noah you can eat
meat? What did he tell Adam and

531
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.440
Eve you can have marriage? So
if the Old Testament God is the evil,

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mean God, and he's the one
that said eat meat and get married,

533
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thus the reasoning of the Gnostics and
the cathari There you go. But

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now, by the way, I
had a great video that I did on

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the movie I Had The Devil,
which has kind of a history. It's

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like Eyes Watch Shut thirty years before
Eywatch Shut. It has hash Donald Pleasance

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as the gnostic Luciferian priest, literally
a Luciferian priest, and it's it's what's

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Roman Polanski. Sharon Tate as her
it's her first role, and she plays

539
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a witch, a Luciferian witch,
and basically there's this ancient gnostic pagan cult

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that owns the entire city and castle
out in France somewhere. Great movie.

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If you're looking for an older esoteric
Eyes Watch Shut Colt movie, go watch

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Eye of the Devil. Of course, once that I put that, that

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was one of my best videos,
one hundred thousand views right away, and

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00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:24.760
of course it gets deleted taken down. It was awesome. I still have

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the video, by the way,
but I was drawing from all of this

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research that I've done on the kathari
And by the way, I know that

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00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.840
the kathar Eye in the actual history
didn't do human sacrifice, but I'm not

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00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:44.960
convinced that that's the Kathariye story.
I'm not convinced that they weren't doing that.

549
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We don't know what all they were
up to. I mean, they're

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a secret society. They invent a
counter hierarchy. That's what's weird about this

551
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.039
group is that they don't they don't
do like the peasant thing like most of

552
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.519
the weirdos at this time period of
you know, the bees flying in their

553
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:07.320
pepe and then their runner through the
fields. These guys actually set up an

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00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:14.280
altered church, like a counter church. Interesting. Now, let's get back

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to the Bogomils. So they are
the ones that influence the cathari We don't

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00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.320
exactly know how, but in the
tenth century the Boga mills were present in

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00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:30.400
Bulgarian villages. Some Bulgarian village priest
had come up with an idea of dualism,

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a right good force, good God
versus evil force evil God. This

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00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:43.920
dualistic notion had spread to Constantinople.
They came to the conclusion that everything that

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is physically perceived or seen is itself
evil. It's identified with evil. Satan

561
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is the one who created the flesh
itself. The initiates of this sect therefore

562
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believed a severe asceticism to punish the
flesh. Okay, that's all the sort

563
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of the basics that Lambert mentions of
the Boggabills. Now, the heretics over

564
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:17.760
in Cologne had claimed that theirs alone, this new rising Cathari movement, theirs

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alone is the true church. The
heretics thought that the life of apostolic poverty

566
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itself is what gave them the moral
high ground over the institutional papal succession Church

567
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Cathari. Now, some of the
Colone heretics said that no priests of the

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Church or valid or are validly ordained, For they said, the apostolic office

569
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:51.519
has been corrupted through the involvement in
secular affairs. He who sits in the

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chair of Peter therefore lost Peter's power
to ordain, which was bestowed upon Peter

571
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.639
himself. Because the Apostolics he does
not have this power. The archbishops and

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00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:08.880
bishops who led worldly lodge within the
Church could not therefore receive from Peter the

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00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:15.199
power to ordain anyone. Hence they
just rehashed donatism. Infant baptism therefore was

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00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:22.400
not only not necessary, it wasn't
biblical. There was no revelation about the

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afterlife and therefore no purgatory. There
was no need for any kind of penance,

576
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and Egbert the benedicting abbot of Schoenau. Eventually it was influenced by some

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of these heretics and found, excuse
me, he went in to study with

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00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.719
these heretics to see what they were
saying, and found out that some of

579
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:52.440
them believed in a docetic christology right
dosiatism, that Jesus wasn't really human,

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00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:58.800
his death was a phantasm et cetera. Some of them had imbibed the Platonic

581
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:05.880
Platonic doctrine of the transmigration of souls
and the creation of matter in this world

582
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.639
by an evil God. Are you
noticing a pattern here? It's always the

583
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:14.280
same thing, Marcianism, gnosticism,
evil, Old Testament God. Always it's

584
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.599
the same that never fails. Now, why would why aren't the heretics more

585
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.360
creative every now and then they get
created would come up with something a little

586
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weird. But why do they always
tend to the same ideas because it's the

587
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same spirit motivating them obviously, I
mean, it's like they don't even know

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that the exact same heresy existed.
In the second century, the Aeronaeus wrote

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against hopefully I'm not talking into it. We got two hundred and sixty six

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in this late night stream. Welcome everybody

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if you want to support we got
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appreciate that, but glad to see
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super chats via stream labs and I
will come to those here in a minute.

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This is a little slow going.
My notes are hard to read,

595
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:24.800
but hopefully this is fun and weird
information. So Eckbert the Benedictine is milling

596
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:30.719
about amongst these guys. He's infiltrated
the weirdos and he has found out that

597
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:39.559
they've got these gnostic views. Ecbert
believed the heresy to have an international character.

598
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:45.719
This is interesting, so it's almost
like he's conspiracy theorizing that maybe there

599
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:54.639
is an international movement. I think
that's what. My notes are a little

600
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:00.440
smeared, so it's kind of hard
for me to see see that spilled coffee

601
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:05.800
on this, So some of the
words are smeared. But he says in

602
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:14.440
Flanders they were called the aphiles,
in France, the taxallant, the weavers.

603
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:21.519
In Germany they were called the pure
ones. And so oh, I

604
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.480
see so uh, so Egbert,
because of this network of this that has

605
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:31.280
popped up, of these heretics in
these different cities and countries with the same

606
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:36.840
names and the same ideas. He's
beginning to suspect that this is a larger

607
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:42.039
movement. I see, so Egbert, the Benedictine starts to preach sermons against

608
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:53.280
the heretics. They were I can't
read what that says, but they they.

609
01:00:54.639 --> 01:01:01.920
Oh. Egbert attempted to refute them
by exposing them to the dogmatic assumptions

610
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:08.039
and bases upon which the entire heresy
arrested. Egbert referred to much of their

611
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:13.800
views as simply a repeat of Manicheanism, and therefore Manicheanism was refuted, so

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01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:17.119
was their entire heresy. All right, thank you for those super chats.

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In eleven sixty five a conference was
held a local synod at our conference I

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01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:30.079
don't know if sent on or compet
at Lombert's castle outside of Alba in southern

615
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:36.000
France. The Kathari there had a
formidable standing. Local heretical leaders, who

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01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:42.440
were known as the good Men,
debated openly their opponents before a distinguished gathering

617
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:51.599
of scholars, nobles, heretics,
priests, etc. The institutional Roman Catholics

618
01:01:51.719 --> 01:02:00.719
had to restrict the citations to proof
texts from the New Testament, since the

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01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:06.159
heretics would only accept any kind of
argument approved from the New Testament, so

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01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:08.599
which I guess makes sense. That's
where they win. The battleground was the

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New Testament. These early kathara I
argued that the true bishops and kings must

622
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:22.400
live as Saint Paul described, or
they are not valid at all. The

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01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:30.800
normative Roman Catholic the institutional Roman Catholics, tried to get them to debate anything

624
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.280
about dogmatic issues like the Trinity or
whatever, but the cathari would only talk

625
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:40.119
about the moral precepts. They refused
to swear to any oaths. Again,

626
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:45.280
a lot of this as Baptists.
You'll see that's repeated by it later Baptists.

627
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.960
And when the Roman Catholics achieved the
upper hand in the debate, the

628
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:58.039
heretics would feign or pretend that they
were Orthodox. However, they would not

629
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.679
take any oaths. So they would
just like change the world and oh,

630
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:02.719
okay, we'll find we believe that, but they would just reinterpret it to

631
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:12.119
mean something else. Eleven sixty seven, in the village of Saint Felix,

632
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:22.719
the International and International Conference of Duellists
takes place, and this allows for the

633
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:28.800
achievement of a better structure for Catharism. So they actually have this kind of

634
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:37.320
their own little synod here at a
village, and this aids the growth of

635
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:45.360
Catherism the Kathari at this fake Cathari
council made up plans to send out missionaries,

636
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:51.119
and then they did. They send
out missionaries. Cathari reached Lombardy and

637
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:58.360
established a hold there before eleven sixty
seven. By sending missionaries from northern France.

638
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.599
The movements I think lay in its
ethical appeal to peasants and layfolk.

639
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:18.199
They preached poverty, self sacrifice and
strict chastity come and this converted people more

640
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:25.079
easily than when they revealed their false
doctrines. Interesting, so they did this

641
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:30.760
kind of classic cult trick where you
do all this do goodery stuff and talk

642
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.639
about how do oh look how or
goody goody, and then lay oh,

643
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:36.480
but by the way, we secretly
teach blah blah blah crazy stuff. Right,

644
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:42.679
this is a classic cult tactic.
So within roughly two decades from the

645
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:48.480
first appearance of the Boga mills at
Cologne, the Cathari had disseminated themselves from

646
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:57.440
Rome to the Pyrene to to the
Italian Peninsula. So the cathari had quite

647
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.559
a bit of success. Well,
Denzil. Now again keep in mind what

648
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:12.079
is allowing the proliferation of this stupid
heresy the corruption of the existing institutional church.

649
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:17.639
Of course, if the institutional church
were not so ridiculously corrupt, which

650
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:23.960
obviously was, and even the saints
quote unquote in the Romancolic Church of this

651
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:29.159
time would admit all that they would
preach against the corruption. You see that

652
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:36.559
heresy and schism and sins such as
that becomes scourges for the existing clergy an

653
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:44.800
existing church. Heresy is a scourge
and a punishment, a tastisement from God

654
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:54.599
on the church. Valdai Waldo.
Here comes the next of the favorites of

655
01:05:54.639 --> 01:06:01.880
the Baptists, the Waldensians. The
Waldensians are a late health century can't read

656
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:15.360
my note movement. Their focus was
the institutional Church's hierarchy. Their movements spread

657
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:21.760
to Italy at the time of Poe
Lucius the Third in Italy and Languadoc heretics

658
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:29.360
had a had eventually achieved total freedom, So the laws of those states had

659
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:34.039
then had now allowed free reign of
these guys, the Waldensians. Excuse me,

660
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:40.480
Peter Waldo, I think it's Peter
Walder, But Waldo, where's Waldo.

661
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:54.239
Waldo decided, as a rich businessman
that he would commit to poverty.

662
01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:57.400
There we go, That's why he
was able. So he does this big

663
01:06:57.599 --> 01:06:59.960
thing where oh, I'm going to
give away all my business. Well,

664
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:05.840
I'm going to become poor. He
then translates these scriptures into the vernacular and

665
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:15.039
begins translating the Church fathers. He
desired to become a wandering preacher, and

666
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:24.159
the initial conflict became his dispute with
local church leaders over orders or the right

667
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:29.480
to go and publicly preach. The
institutional church appealed to the pope and sent

668
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:32.920
representatives to the Third Latter in Sonata
in eleven seventy nine. They were found

669
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:40.800
to be inadequate to preach, and
Pope Alexander the Third welcomed their evangelical councils

670
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:48.119
but told them not to preach the
Gospel or doctrine theology publicly. Waldo was

671
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:55.159
willing to accept Orthodox statements and be
submissive. However, eventually in time he

672
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:59.800
fell into schism and began preaching because
he felt cold to do it by reading

673
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.599
scripture. Now, notice, in
the Orthodox East, this is not a

674
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:10.800
problem because the Orthodox East has always
held to vernacular scripture. So even though

675
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:16.039
this guy probably isn't exactly right and
what he's doing, at least does have

676
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:24.279
a correct idea that why are we
not putting the the liturgy into the language

677
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:28.640
of the people. The Church has
always put the liturgy into the language of

678
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:32.960
the people. The entire Orthodox East
does this. This is stupid. The

679
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:41.920
Humiliati new movement here at the same
time in Italy a movement of radical radicals

680
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:47.359
called the Humiliati. It's like the
opposite of the Illuminati. The Humiliati in

681
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:54.960
northern Italy believed in the evangelical councils
by that that just means to renounce the

682
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:59.600
monastic type of valves, right to
renounce ownership, marriage, these kinds of

683
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.880
things, poverty, chastity, obedience, they were, But they decided that

684
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:10.920
also all oaths should be rejected.
They desired to preach, and once again

685
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.560
Alexander the third denied the request of
these people. However, they decided again

686
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.079
that they were they were called to
preach directly by God, and so they

687
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:26.560
fell under the papal Ban. The
Pope Lucius the third writes a bull called

688
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:34.000
ad Ablindam in the eleven eighties,
and it calls for cooperation with Emperor Frederick

689
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:42.279
Barbosa in the first attempt to deal
with these heresies on an international scale.

690
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:46.359
So by now all these different little
crazy groups had gotten so annoying and had

691
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:50.920
popped up everywhere. It's now called
the attention of Rome. So Lucius the

692
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.800
third he said, all right,
we got to do something, and he

693
01:09:53.920 --> 01:10:00.680
calls for aid of the Emperor.
Now this is unfortunately there's a big smudge

694
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:02.039
here of coffee, and some of
these notes I can't see, so I'll

695
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:06.279
try to make it out as best
I can. So they The way that

696
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:13.720
decided to deal with the heretics was
first to send out train theologians to go

697
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:28.159
and visit the parish parishes and re
educate and teach, basically catechize the people.

698
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:35.840
People that were recalcultrant and would not
listen after periods of catechistus or preaching

699
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:42.680
from different religious orders and monks would
then be handed over to the state to

700
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:50.039
see to receive some form of state
punishment. This proved difficult in the places

701
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:57.760
where the state leaders had already begun
tolerating heresy. The paper bull was still

702
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:01.960
sent out and propagated as an ideal, and so interrogation was to be done

703
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:10.600
at this time by some experienced trained
theologian. The bull reorganized the episcopal something

704
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:16.960
I can't read it, but it
offered no solution to the recognition and classification

705
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:23.760
of heresy. Though many were named
and anathematized, it didn't offer a way

706
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:28.760
to solve it. The papal bull
anathematized the Paterines, the cathari, the

707
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.640
Humiliaate, and the Arnoldists. The
only distinction made for heretics was those who

708
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:44.800
preached licit and illicit and those who
openly preached heresy. Next movement, another

709
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:50.439
one pops up, the Speronists.
A layman by the name of in Lombardy

710
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:56.319
by the name of Speroni was a
jurist. Between eleven seventy seven and eleven

711
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:02.359
eighty five, he fomented a movement
against the Church lasted about fifty years.

712
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:08.560
Sparoni came up with some extreme tenants. Number one the rejection of all in

713
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:13.319
every church authority. Number two,
there is no priesthood. Number three,

714
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:17.960
Baptism and the Eucharis were stupid inventions
of the church. Number four, all

715
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:30.039
formal acts of worship were de facto
idolatrous since the since all followers of Speroni

716
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:39.319
had already achieved a perfect union with
the Word, so notice antinomianism radical justification

717
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:43.159
by belief of alone is already beginning
to pop up. They held to an

718
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:47.640
interior baptism of the Spirit that wasn't
in any way necessary in terms of water

719
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:53.680
baptism. The only thing that mattered
was the inner sanctification of the believer by

720
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:57.880
the Spirit, and so therefore there
was no original sin, and all men

721
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:00.800
were already predestined or elect no matter
what they did. So here it comes

722
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:13.000
a radical predestinarianism. The elect the
elect always remained elect no matter what they

723
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.800
did. There could never be any
change to that. So this was weird

724
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:21.920
because they were Palladians, but they
had a strict double predestination view. The

725
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:39.159
Sparonist Sparonimi Sparoni twelve six Dominican Dominic
Dominicans. You've probably heard of them.

726
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:49.680
Thomas Aquinas Dominic and his prior Diego
of Ossona decide to live in poverty like

727
01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:57.920
the cathari So I will we'll give
Dominics some credit here because rather than trying

728
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:04.000
to force or persuade the Catharie with
burning up the steak. He's like,

729
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:08.399
all right, I'm gonna go live
like these guys so that they don't have

730
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:15.279
any moral bogus moral claim high ground. So he pledges poverty, cha chasting,

731
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:23.199
and obedience and establishes a house in
Provil for women and girls that were

732
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:28.479
rescued from the crazy Cathori. In
twelve sixteen or twelve seventeen, he received

733
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:32.359
recognition from Pope Innocent the Third,
and he is, you know, obviously

734
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:36.199
this is where the Dominican friars come
from. The Dominicans eventually grow into an

735
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:44.199
international order and well international in the
West, and they become known for debating

736
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:49.039
and confronting heretics. They are of
course the most philosophical and theological, eventually

737
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:57.000
producing Aquinas et cetera. Their task
was the confutation and reputation of Heresing.

738
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:06.479
Five years earlier, Francis of a
Cci had been something I can't read my

739
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:17.279
notes there, but Francis apparently had
thought that a pro creation emphasis on creation

740
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:25.439
worldview would perhaps be the answer to
the Catharized gnosticism. So if you know

741
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:29.880
about you know Francis's of you know, brothers Moon, Sister, Sister,

742
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.560
moon brother's son or whatever. It's
a reaction to, you know, these

743
01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:44.199
kinds of extremes. Later in four
and Pope Innocent the Third the active I

744
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:50.399
can't read my note. Their participation
of Innocent the Third left a body of

745
01:15:50.520 --> 01:16:01.279
case law and precedent for the litigation
and debate to deal with. In other

746
01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:08.560
words, basically litigation case all canon
law under Innocent the Third allowed set a

747
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.119
good press and for how to deal
with heretics. Is what my note is

748
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:15.000
trying to say. In twelve oh
seven, Innocent the Third decrees that all

749
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:19.760
the goods of heretics should be confiscated
and their homes destroyed. Later and four

750
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:26.880
contains a dogmatic statement against the Catharite
to this effect. By the way,

751
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:34.880
how does that job with Vatican two? Heretics should have their property property confiscated

752
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:44.600
and their homes destroyed. Vatican two
says there's no heretics. Freedom of religion,

753
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:48.119
Bro, could you imagine imagine trying
to smush freedom of religion into Innocent

754
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.439
the Third. What did Joe?
This is why the deeper that you go

755
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:59.600
into Roumtholicism, just the prima fosia
absurdity of Vatican two. It's just ludicrous.

756
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:08.680
Want me to believe that God in
this century was ordaining that the church

757
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:16.039
burn heretics, confiscate their property,
destroy their homes. And now he's decided

758
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:20.159
that we all need to have a
CC gatherings where we pray with all the

759
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:25.520
religions. I mean, give me
a freaking break, dude, give me

760
01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:33.000
a break. Latter and four contains
these dogmatic statements against Kathari Joakim. If

761
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:38.079
you are we already mentioned Joakim,
That's where my notes were out of out

762
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:42.920
of order. But Yoakam Ifior is
also condemned at the latter in four because

763
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:55.600
Joachim Ifior attacked the trinitarian views of
Peter Lombard's sentences. Right around the same

764
01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:59.479
time, A Mari of Beve I
don't know what that is. I can't

765
01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:06.000
say that. Yet another heretic condemned
for his views that derived from John Scotus

766
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:15.319
a Regina. He developed the idea
that everything was evolving to become spirit.

767
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:30.000
So literally Tahard to chard in Tahardism, already present in Amalri of BEVEI Wow

768
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:45.239
Honorious the Third succeeds Pope Innocent the
Third and was less resolved, less resolved

769
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:50.319
and less original, but still dealt
with heresy. Honorius the third made the

770
01:18:50.359 --> 01:19:00.000
same, made sure anti made sure
anti heretical legislation was part of secular code

771
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:05.119
of law. Emperor Frederick the Second
made such laws part of his imperial legislation.

772
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:11.319
Burning was now the punishment for the
recalcitrant heretic, that is, the

773
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:15.920
one who has been preached to,
catechized warned. If they keep doing it,

774
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:23.880
then you go to the stake bro
The major innovation, however, comes

775
01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:30.880
with Pope Gregory the Ninth. Pope
Gregory resorts to special agents equipped with full

776
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:36.520
powers directly from the papacy, to
hunt down the heretics. In twelve thirty

777
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:42.880
one, he issues the general Commission
to something I can't read it smudged of

778
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:48.279
Regensburg. I almost feel like I'm
reading ancient documents because they're frazzled and smudged,

779
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:50.920
you know, and it's just my
own notes from fifteen years ago.

780
01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:08.079
The episcopal local inquisition was then established
at this time, Thus was born the

781
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:16.119
papal inquisition. Unlike bishops, the
direct emissaries of Gregory the Ninth had the

782
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:20.439
power directly from the Pope, and
they didn't need the authority of any local

783
01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:26.800
bishop. Their job was that they
were tasked with the suppression of heresy.

784
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:33.479
Usually this mission was fulfilled by Dominicans. Thus the Inquisition now pay attention because

785
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:41.520
every idiot in the world thinks they
know about the Inquisition. Ninety nine percent

786
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:45.640
of people don't actually know the history
of the Inquisition. And Malcolm Lambert is

787
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.680
not unfair, Like he's a balanced, just scholar. I think he's some

788
01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:53.880
kind of Anglican guy. But regardless, he's a historian and he's not unfair.

789
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:59.760
He doesn't like he's not after the
papacy. He's trying to vindicate here,

790
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:06.560
it's he's just trying to give a
historical analysis the Inquisition. So the

791
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:12.520
way this begins is that the inquisitors
went out and they would register and log

792
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:18.319
people suspected of going out and preaching
the mistakes and these weird views. Now

793
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:23.760
it's not just anybody who has the
wrong idea go to the to the flames.

794
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:27.720
That's not true. What they were
doing was looking for the people fomenting

795
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:30.600
the social revolution. So basically they
were like co Intel or somebody like,

796
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:38.079
like, they're trying to find the
agitators and the revolutionaries. The idea was

797
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:44.319
that the Inquisition could be eventually tasked
with becoming an international and it is now

798
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:53.039
at this point an international body,
usually Dominicans, which could link up with

799
01:21:53.199 --> 01:22:03.760
other orders to get information everywhere to
prevent the escape of heretics from being discovered

800
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:09.119
and found out. So what would
happen was if the Inquisition came and the

801
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.840
heretics, usually a Thori, found
out about this, they would just try

802
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.039
to flee to another city. But
the reason that they wanted to link up

803
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:19.239
with other orders in other places was
so that they couldn't do that and get

804
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:27.079
away. They couldn't be refuge heretical
refugees. The Inquisition was thus the heir

805
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:35.319
to a body of legislation that reached
back to add what was that people document?

806
01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:42.279
You know, the one on heresies? Right? My notes are most

807
01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:46.199
I can't see it. There was
thus a trend now that both the civil

808
01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:56.960
and the ecclesiastical law and powers tended
towards an inquisitional rather than an accusatorial procedure.

809
01:22:57.560 --> 01:23:00.680
Now this is interesting because this will
be the lobby don't even know this,

810
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:05.800
but this will influence later Western legal
theory. Did you know the Inquisition

811
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:15.000
influences Western legal theory, and not
entirely in a bad way. That's because

812
01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:21.560
prior to this there was actually less
There were less rights for people accused because

813
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:25.880
a king could just come in and
say, I deem you a heretic,

814
01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:30.560
I'm burning your ass. The Church
stepped in to the credit of the Western

815
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:38.680
Church at this time and said,
this is not right. We need trials.

816
01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:45.399
There are rights that the accused have, so rather than just an accusation

817
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:53.960
procedure, there should be a kind
of catechisis and a kind of ecclesiastical barrier

818
01:23:54.359 --> 01:24:00.840
buffer between people and just some king
coming in and saying, I'm burning everybody.

819
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:02.600
Did you know that most people don't
know that. That was actually part

820
01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:10.359
of why the Inquisition came to be. In twelve fifty two, Innocent the

821
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:20.039
Fourth decides that that torture could be
used in the case of certain heretics so

822
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:29.279
that they might spill the beans on
the other heretics and their plans. This

823
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.039
was because this was under the aegis
of the faultership of or a faulter of

824
01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:39.880
heretics a supporter of heretics. Faltership
of heresy was thus a grave crime and

825
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:48.439
an obstruction of what the inquisitor was
trying to do, and thus you could

826
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:55.800
be labeled as a falter. The
place of uncertainty about the use of force

827
01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:04.479
against heresy that had, oh,
that was a popular debate in the eleven

828
01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:09.760
the twelfth century was now at an
end. So even in the eleven the

829
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:15.079
twelfth century, it's inentrit that that
there's debates about whether the state or force

830
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.000
could be used against heretics. Now
by this time it's there's no question about

831
01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:25.520
it. This forced the heretics to
go underground and to become quite literally conspiratorial

832
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:30.199
and a secret society. This is
what Lambert says. And it's that the

833
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:34.239
third always stressed, however, that
the connections between the failure of the clergy

834
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:39.039
were the real reasons for the emergence
of heresy, and this that the third

835
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:45.039
is correct. You just heard me
say that. Now we return to Catharism

836
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.800
again, the main heresy. Now
we've seen how they arose, but we

837
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:54.880
haven't really focused on them. Catharism
was the most powerful heresy of the thirteenth

838
01:25:54.920 --> 01:26:00.119
century. Without question, the Cathariyes
stimulated the development of the Inquisition. It's

839
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:09.239
actually the cathori that brought about the
reason for Inquisition. The Cathari were most

840
01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:16.159
strongly established in Italy and Languidoc.
They were the perfecti, the perfect excuse

841
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:21.760
me, amongst the Cathari. Their
leadership were the perfecti, that is,

842
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:30.319
the elite of the Cathari. The
elite, these inner circle of secret leaders

843
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:35.359
had obtained the right of what they
called the consola mintum. The consolamentum was

844
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:41.920
a ritual that they had borrowed from
Bogomilism, the Bogomils and this right to

845
01:26:42.079 --> 01:26:49.079
call God the Father is given.
It's given to you in this right.

846
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:58.720
In other words, a separate prayer
called the teleoesis gave one full remission of

847
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:04.000
sins. So the Cathari are like
an alternate clergy. And that's what's interesting.

848
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:11.520
They're like a Gnostic sect with secret
hierofonts or something, and they're kind

849
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:17.399
of like like a Satanic sect or
something like a Masonic sector anyway, but

850
01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:23.199
they believe that they could remit sins
through these different rights and prayers. The

851
01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:29.600
Cathari worldview, this is interesting.
After the fall of Adam, the angel

852
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:38.880
who formed the soul of man,
left his spirit behind in heaven and thus

853
01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:44.920
in the ritual of the consolamentum,
the spirit and soul of man were reunited,

854
01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:51.079
and the soul would then pass out
of the domain of Satan. Almost

855
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:56.960
sounds like scientology, like you're trapped
in your ears, Theatans have got you

856
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:04.680
trapped or something. I don't know. But to attain to this secret rite

857
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:12.880
was an arduous task. You must
be approved by the other Perfecti after one

858
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.640
year of a probationary period. During
this probationary period, you could eat no

859
01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:26.319
meat, no milk, no eggs, no cheese, vegans. You had

860
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:31.279
to spend then three days a week
on bread and water only, but you

861
01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:38.520
could eat fish. You could never
have sex, because sexuality is part of

862
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:45.399
Satan's creation. After one year,
the initiate must then adhere to an even

863
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:51.439
stricter ascetic practice, and every month
a time of confession is allowed for any

864
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:57.600
minor offenses. If you had a
single breach of the code eating an egg,

865
01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:06.680
any sex, murder once more involved
a person in Satan's creation, and

866
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:15.279
thus lost you the entire consolamentum ritual. Later, because hardly anybody could live

867
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:20.640
up to this retarded nonsense, a
reconciliation ritual was made up, but it

868
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:28.239
was It was a heavy penance,
So if you wanted to undergo the reconciliation

869
01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:31.159
ritual, it was going to be
an even crazier penance. If a perfect

870
01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:39.680
I ever fell, it brought into
doubt all of the initiates that he had

871
01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:45.520
consoled or had undergone his consolamentum.
So like crazy level donatism here, right,

872
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:53.720
Yet this harsh way of life was
somehow itself attractive to a lot of

873
01:29:54.079 --> 01:30:03.399
simple peasant people. And this false
piety, this false externalism, because it

874
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:09.960
contrasted with the worldliness of the institutional
church clergy. This is what convinced people,

875
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:13.079
This is why it had an appeal. But remember what Paul says.

876
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:16.920
It's just literally a repeat of everything
Paul says in Colossians, Right, heretics

877
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:21.479
are going to tell you to deny
meats, to deny eggs, this kind

878
01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:25.800
of stupid stuff. And if you
do that, you're somehow higher and more

879
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:36.920
gnostic. Literally all refuted and discolostionis
the only way to be saved was through

880
01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:46.039
the consolamentum ritual. The black robe
that they wore, their thin, pale,

881
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:53.560
gaunt appearance is what marked the Perfecti. So they had an appearance of

882
01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:58.680
you know, like, look how
pious we are. We're so you know,

883
01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:04.560
thin and pale, and we don't
meet. The believers adored these Perfecti

884
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:14.359
as if they were angels on earth. This whole religious system is quite obviously

885
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:18.800
it's nothing but pure hypocrisy and pride. The perfect I blessed and broke bread

886
01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:25.760
at their services, and they would
even pray the our Father. However,

887
01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:30.800
only the Perfecti were allowed to say
that our Father. Social context of this

888
01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:38.079
heresing the various towns where they had
come to have power and authority had perfect

889
01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:42.039
eye houses. The houses were either
men or women. You had to keep

890
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:55.680
them separate. They performed the consolelamentum
ritual, which eventually eventually it copies the

891
01:31:55.760 --> 01:32:00.159
right of extreme unction in the Latin
Church. Extreme unction the right given to

892
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:05.760
dying believers. In twelve hundred,
virtually all the entire population of Lac had

893
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:12.640
had gone over to hear perfect I. They more or less converted and combiac

894
01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:20.600
the curate. The Roman Catholic curate
complained that he had lost all but four

895
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:29.159
of his parishioners to the Cathari in
Karaman, Lanta and Verfael. By twelve

896
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:33.399
fifteen, hardly anyone died without the
right of the consolamentum of the perfect I.

897
01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:41.920
So now entire cities, villages,
bishops are complaining that the whole church

898
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:47.920
is converted to this stupid heresy.
Adherence to the adherence to this heresy in

899
01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:55.239
many villages and places and towns simply
became normal, understood Christianity. That's what

900
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.279
people thought Christianity was. Now,
just like when you grow up in America,

901
01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:01.920
grow up Baptists, you think that's
what Christianity. Jordan of Saxony.

902
01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:11.359
Jordan of Saxony, a famous or
a lesser known Dominican, complained how daughters

903
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:18.159
were given over to the perfect ie, to the perfect ee women homes like

904
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:26.359
they had their like their own version
of nunneries, basically convents. And thus

905
01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:32.439
because the peasants were giving their daughters
over to the perfect ied convents, this

906
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:39.079
was just leading more and more people
into heresity. Do you see the patterns

907
01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:41.560
of history? That's why this is
so important and so fascinating, is that

908
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:46.920
these patterns repeat how many? I
mean, everything Paul refutes in the New

909
01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:59.600
Testament, it just pops up again
as a repeat. The female perfective the

910
01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:05.239
profect I had an almost egalitarian status
for women. Interesting women and men were

911
01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:12.560
basically no different. The Cathari had
an intricate system of how they ran their

912
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:20.520
cult. Traveling merchants would make contacts. Public businesses were thus casual meeting places

913
01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:27.760
and signs would be made known secret
signs and symbols. Things were drawn on

914
01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:33.119
houses to let people know what were
Cathari safe houses. So if you were

915
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:38.159
a secret Cathari, you had to
have secret churches, and they put little

916
01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:45.319
whatever their secret codes were. The
Cathari taught that the institutional Church, the

917
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.439
Roman institutional Church, was Satan's Church
well, and by extension, any of

918
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:56.720
the other Orthodox Church as well.
The initiates and believers weren't immediately introduced to

919
01:34:56.840 --> 01:35:03.239
the more gnostic esoteric doctrines. Shocker. The Catharie cast doubts on the validity

920
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:10.880
of anything that the institutional Church taught, particularly their materialistic mass. So the

921
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:19.680
Roman Catholic Mass, the liturgy was
materialistic and therefore for profane uninitiated. The

922
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:28.359
gnostic Catharaie, however, had secret
revelations that would later be revealed to the

923
01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:31.560
initiate as they climbed up the rank, and they were told that this was

924
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:36.119
equal to the Apostolic teaching quote unquote, Their proof text for this was Matthew

925
01:35:36.159 --> 01:35:42.520
thirteen eleven, which they said was
their secret teaching. The evil principle in

926
01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:47.079
the world is equal to the good
principle. Both evil and good are co

927
01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:53.479
eternal battling principles. It is the
material world, this world, that is

928
01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:58.680
Satan's kingdom. It will never come
to an end. Satan will always have

929
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:08.039
dominance over this eternal physical world.
One theory as to the origin of this

930
01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:15.279
in terms of Bogobolism, was a
dualist missionary by the name of Nietus Nicetus

931
01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:20.640
was a dualist heretic from Constantinople in
the eleven sixties who perhaps brought this dualism

932
01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:26.760
to the West. The basic presupposition
of this whole sect and this whole religion

933
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:33.319
is that body and soul, matter
and spirit are utterly incompatible. The origin

934
01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:40.399
of the Cathari myths, so that
Kathari actually have their own texts and scriptures

935
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:43.479
and myths. They use some of
the Bible, but they'll reinterpret it.

936
01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:51.960
The Kathari fables, for one,
They used scripture, non canonical Christian legends,

937
01:36:54.199 --> 01:37:01.279
Jewish apocalyptic literature, their own imagination, the vision of Isaiah, the

938
01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:11.840
interrogation of John this weird you know, supergraphical texts, gnostic basically texts and

939
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:17.000
odd texts that purport to explain the
fall of Satan. Okay, the Interrogation

940
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:21.279
of John is an odd text that
purports to explain a non some weird thing.

941
01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:26.479
The fall of Satan has taken on
the form of a serpent to have

942
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:31.199
sex with Eve through his tail.
So here we get like babbling in Talmud

943
01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:40.319
type stories, right, Kabbalistic stories. The Perfecti amongst the Cathari could alter

944
01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:45.600
and mix up these tales to make
them sound really cool and appealing and use

945
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:50.720
them. Basically, they could alter
them and use them as needed. Radical

946
01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:59.560
Cathari, there were even radicals amongst
them. The radical Cathari were extremely deterministic.

947
01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:03.359
The fall was an act of free
will. Excuse me, the fall

948
01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:06.319
was not an act of free will, but was in fact intended to happen,

949
01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:14.159
and in their myth, their myth
is one of a Satanic conquest,

950
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:20.560
whatever that means. The perfect I
had vernacular translations, that they would take

951
01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:24.520
these texts put them into the vernacular. That was part of the reason why

952
01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:30.159
they had success was they could whoever
could read would read these texts and maybe

953
01:38:30.199 --> 01:38:36.920
they couldn't read Latin. The Kathariye
sympathizer would be awarded a reincarnate body higher

954
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:41.680
in the scale of being. If
you came over to the kathari they would

955
01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:43.880
say, well, you know,
follow us, you'll get a higher body.

956
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:49.680
The true affinities of the kathari were
with far Eastern asthetics, in other

957
01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:54.720
words, like far Eastern religions Hindu
type asthetics. So there was you can

958
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:59.720
see the parallels with like Hinduism here. Obviously the vegetarian, vegan type of

959
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:05.119
stuff. Morality here is replaced not
with right and wrong ten commandments, but

960
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:12.960
with severe bodily asceticism. The Catharide
denied the divinity of Christ shocker right.

961
01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:19.479
Obviously all these ethics, theory,
son, and spirit are subordinate entities to

962
01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:27.600
the Father. Nor was he fully
human. His humanity could not be fully

963
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.880
human because Satan created the flesh and
humanity. There were two gods and there

964
01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:40.600
were two creations. This was in
fact another religion altogether, So basically a

965
01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:48.680
gnostic mythos using certain Bible texts and
other texts to have a totally other religion.

966
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:54.680
Because we're enjoying this, I'll read
a couple of super chats. Since

967
01:39:54.840 --> 01:40:00.640
you know, I've been doing this
for about an hour forty are we Hopefully

968
01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:16.520
we're not lagging too bad? All
right, we got an hour ago.

969
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:21.800
Now, Bill says, do you
or David know enough about the Assyrians to

970
01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:28.319
steal men and refute them? Yeah? I think we do know pretty well

971
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:36.000
the Assyrian Nestorian view. I mean, I've read Nestorias, I've read significant

972
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:44.279
sections of Saint Cyril. I don't
think it would be too hard to do

973
01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:46.560
that. I think we can eventually
deal with that. I think Gerald Norris

974
01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:50.000
one hundred dollars. Wow, I'd
never read all this stuff myself. Keep

975
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:55.000
going, well, it is a
five or six hundred page, mega tiny

976
01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:58.880
print book. So that's why I'm
doing this, is that most people are

977
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:01.439
not going to read this, and
so well, you're getting graduate level stuff

978
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:05.520
for pennies on the dollar. So
thank you very much, Joel Norris.

979
01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:11.479
I'm honored that you would give me
that much. I appreciate it atala five

980
01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:15.760
dollars. I love your work.
You've greatly helped my faith. I'd be

981
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:19.079
with you from Lebanon. Hope you
weren't in Beirut, but thank you for

982
01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:25.359
that. Searching three dollars. I'm
searching for my faith in Orthodoxy as an

983
01:41:25.399 --> 01:41:29.520
atheist. I was just brought bought
an Orthodox study by Well Nihilism from your

984
01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:35.079
reading lists. Awesome. What would
be the next two to get? Well,

985
01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:44.920
if you're coming from the atheist realm, you probably have issue with like

986
01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:51.399
apologetic type stuff, so maybe get
an Ultimate Proof by doctor Jason Lyle,

987
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:57.520
that would be a good one to
start out. And maybe God's Revelation to

988
01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:03.279
the Human Heart by Father surfrom Rose. That's a good compliment to the Nihilism

989
01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:09.439
book. A non says for five
dollars. I was born in Cullingrad formerly

990
01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:13.880
Kunisburg, and my family moved to
America. I was raised a mix of

991
01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:18.239
Russian American culture, the only religious
traditions. I can't read these really long

992
01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:23.880
super chats, so I'm sorry they
fall off the page, so I don't

993
01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:27.000
know what the rest of it is. But sorry about that. Anon.

994
01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:30.760
If you're asking about which one to
choose, go Orthodox? How's that?

995
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:33.399
James donates ten dollars. Thank you, James, much appreciated. Are you

996
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:38.520
aware twenty dollars? What do you
make of historical figures who are types of

997
01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:45.239
the Antichrist? Opposed to international usury, Napoleon, etc. Is it possible.

998
01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:51.279
I don't really think usury is the
determining factor of Antichrist. I mean,

999
01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:59.000
there's nothing about that in any of
the texts to deal with Antichrist.

1000
01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:03.600
Now, will Antichrist engage in usury? Probably, but that's not really a

1001
01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:08.760
defining for Go watch my video on
Antichrist. I did a whole forty five

1002
01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:13.239
minute talk on that. That's what
I would recommend. But thank you for

1003
01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:15.920
that superchat. Sorry, I can't
read all it. Remember guys that it

1004
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:19.600
needs to keep the super chat to
about a sentence, you know, one

1005
01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:24.239
long sentence. That's all that shows
up on the screen. And I can't

1006
01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:28.800
go open up stream labs to read
the entire comments because it's too many windows

1007
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:34.279
open at once. It slows the
whole computer computer down because I'm running YouTube

1008
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:41.680
streaming and I'm running stream labs at
once. All Right, we've gone almost

1009
01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:44.079
two hours. I'm gonna do a
little bit more because I'm souped up,

1010
01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:48.199
I got energy, I'm having fun. We've got almost three hundred people.

1011
01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:53.920
Who else is telling you in depth
six hundred page books on the history of

1012
01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:59.199
Catholicism? Who else is doing that
for you. By the way, this

1013
01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:01.119
is a half and half. I'm
not going to read six hundred page books

1014
01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:04.840
and summarizing them for you without you
guys helping me out and supporting me.

1015
01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:11.439
You're getting graduate level stuff for pennies
on the dollar. So subscribe at Jay's

1016
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:16.079
analysis to the member section if you
want the full analysis we've done. I

1017
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:19.279
mean, this is a big book
we've only dented. I mean this is

1018
01:44:19.359 --> 01:44:26.520
like literally probably one hundred pages of
notes, So I don't think we're going

1019
01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:30.680
to get this in one in one
big talk. I mean, this is

1020
01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:38.920
probably a This is probably going to
take two or three different installments to finish

1021
01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:43.760
this book, but it'll be unique
because nobody else is doing this kind of

1022
01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:53.800
a in depth type of thing.
The fall of Cathism came from internal dissensions.

1023
01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:59.840
As usual, heretical groups and movements
collapse from within because they're all impelled

1024
01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:05.359
by ego and lunatics and demons.
Some took radical dualist views, and then

1025
01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:10.800
some of them turned around and took
monus views. Excuse me, not mons

1026
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:15.039
semi dualist views. Excuse me,
but dualism can easily flip over Pnewmanism.

1027
01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:20.359
By the way, the Major Cathari. The Major cathar book was called the

1028
01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:27.840
Book of Two Principles. There's a
shocker. It shows the Italian Cathari we're

1029
01:45:27.880 --> 01:45:31.680
beginning to feel the weight of the
Catholic apologetic of the time. So they

1030
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:40.039
were having to constantly deal with the
Catholic apologetic. They were getting beaten over

1031
01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:45.079
time, and so the Kathari attempted
to adopt and they took on many Catholic

1032
01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:48.399
elements. So originally it's this really
radical thing, but now they're kind of

1033
01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:51.920
blending a little more. They're kind
of watering it down a little more because

1034
01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:58.760
they're having trouble with the apologetic arguments
innocent. The third launches a crusade on

1035
01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:03.960
the Cathari. It's called Albagensian crusade. It scatters the Gatharai at first,

1036
01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:13.520
and many of the Perfecta ended up
being killed. Between twelve twenty nine and

1037
01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:17.079
twelve thirty seven, many prominent families
in Tuluse were persecuted. The Council of

1038
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:25.720
Toulouse in twelve thirty nine set all
principles based on ad Ablindaan the anti hereticbole

1039
01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:31.359
for supervising the deviations to Catholic dogma. The first commissions of Gregory the Night

1040
01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:34.960
to the Dominicans came in twelve thirty
three. They were the same. They

1041
01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:42.439
were some of the most formidable statements
of repression. They weren't immediately successful,

1042
01:46:42.439 --> 01:46:45.760
however, they were drowned out.
Excuse me. The heretics were driven out

1043
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:53.560
of Toulouse for a time in twelve
thirty five. The mechanism for repressing heresy

1044
01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:58.800
became more efficient over time. The
tide begins to turn with a guy named

1045
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:04.960
Peter of Saila. Peter of Saila
was an inquisitor and a companion of dominic

1046
01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:16.199
The fear of punishment did end up
causing many of many of the heretics to

1047
01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:20.680
avail themselves of what is called a
time of grace. So they kind of

1048
01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:24.520
did this thing where they would send
the Dominican or the inquisitor out and they

1049
01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:30.159
would say, here's katechisus. Come
to the katechisus, get taught, will

1050
01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:34.399
sit in debate, refute your heresies. Then you get a time of grace

1051
01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:41.079
three months six months a year.
If you keep preaching your heresy, then

1052
01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:45.199
you go to trial. That's how
it worked, basically, I mean they

1053
01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:48.880
would vury that model. A party
of inquisitors had been, in fact and

1054
01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:58.880
killed by nobles in one of the
arguments. Interesting, so I'm assuming that

1055
01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:05.159
note means that even some of the
nobles had kind of converted over to heretical

1056
01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:10.680
views. Now the cathari will,
you know, they're like, they're not

1057
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:17.960
done. They're gonna eventually get entire
damn castles that they own. It's crazy.

1058
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:25.079
I'm gonna have a little piece of
candy so I can stay awakened.

1059
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:36.199
Summation of Catharism. The appeal to
scripture was made easier by the vernacular translations

1060
01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:43.720
of Scripture. The true foundation,
however, was in far Eastern religions and

1061
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:50.680
their ascetic teachings, Gnosticism and the
fakiers of China and India. Catherism was

1062
01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:58.560
influenced by fakiers in China and India. Catherism truly is the heir to Bogomilism.

1063
01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:10.720
It was an upset. I don't
know what that note means. It

1064
01:49:10.760 --> 01:49:16.119
has an upset sacramental life in exchange
for a lifetime of sacramental living in favor

1065
01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:21.840
of one right of supreme Oh,
I see Catherism upsets sacramental life. In

1066
01:49:21.880 --> 01:49:28.359
other words, this is interesting.
Your whole life becomes preparation for this one

1067
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:32.640
right of consolamentum. So rather than
you know, weekly mass or weekly confession,

1068
01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:41.520
your entire life is preparing you for
these lunatic hierarchs in this crazy cult

1069
01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:45.199
to give you this weird ritual that
will unite your spirit to your soul or

1070
01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:49.359
whatever for you from the body in
Satan. It almost sounds like Heaven's Gate

1071
01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:55.439
type of stuff, right, Like, didn't Marshall apple White say that when

1072
01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:59.119
the aliens come, you're gonna leave
your body and your body's evil. He

1073
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:11.439
has some kind of weird like this, dude. The Kathari replaced Christian reality

1074
01:50:11.479 --> 01:50:17.760
with compulsory extreme asceticism. Sin is
purely a metaphysical state of being and not

1075
01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:23.199
an act of the will or a
violation of moral law. Nope, that's

1076
01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:29.600
a huge difference. It eliminated redemption
by denying the incarnation of Christ and his

1077
01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:32.960
crucifixion in favor of a subordination of
the Spirit and the Son to the Father,

1078
01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:41.239
and was radically dualistic. Catholicism is
therefore an extreme Christian heresy and ultimately

1079
01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:48.560
a different religion altogether. The dramatic
fall of Catholicism from a major threat to

1080
01:50:48.640 --> 01:50:54.000
the church in the thirteenth century,
early thirteenth century, to a persecuted minority,

1081
01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:59.600
to the full on disappearance by the
fourteenth century. It arrived in eleven

1082
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:05.760
forty. Well, I don't know
what that note means, but basically,

1083
01:51:10.279 --> 01:51:20.119
oh, having arrived in the eleven
forties with the bogamill influence and the Nicetus

1084
01:51:20.119 --> 01:51:30.000
of Constantinople influence. The historical writers
about the sect of Nicetus are and some

1085
01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:36.840
of Alessandria and some random dude from
Lombardy both attach significance to the visit of

1086
01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:46.359
Nicetus to bring these Eastern cult ideas. We're not talking about Eastern Orthodox So

1087
01:51:46.399 --> 01:51:56.000
basically, and some excuse me,
Nicetus of Constantinople appears to have been some

1088
01:51:56.119 --> 01:52:01.520
kind of bishop, a bishop,
bishop called Nus of constant and noble.

1089
01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:05.239
I don't think he was the Bishop
of Constantinople, arst bishop whatever. He

1090
01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:10.760
was some guy from constant noble called
the bishop of Bishop Nistus who had been

1091
01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:18.399
influenced by far Eastern Fakir dualistic philosophy, probably Chinese Indian philosophy. He brings

1092
01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:24.279
that at the same time as Bogamalism
comes over to Western Europe. That's the

1093
01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:33.039
point here. Bishop Nicetus taught that
the existing church order is faulty. Nicissus

1094
01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:39.800
ordained his own monks UH, and
one of those monks becomes the first Katharai

1095
01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:45.000
bishop of Italy. He claimed that
only he had the valid consolamentum that had

1096
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:50.119
come from the far East. Patricius
of Bulgaria came and doubted the validity of

1097
01:52:50.239 --> 01:52:58.840
Nicetus and his orders. So here
the heretics are friending amongst themselves because the

1098
01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:10.920
because the Eastern cathari UH, one
by one guy named Simon, gave the

1099
01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:18.119
consolamentum to Nicetus. In other words, Nicetus's lineage of this made up consolamentum

1100
01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:21.479
right was invalid because the guy that
gave it to him had lapsed. That's

1101
01:53:21.479 --> 01:53:25.720
what I'm trying to say. From
this, factions and divisions rose. We're

1102
01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:30.000
describing the fall of Catherism, because
so they fought amongst themselves and they basically

1103
01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:33.880
just collapsed. Two parties formed.
One of those was led by a guy

1104
01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:43.359
named Judaeus, who succeeded Mark one
of the cathari and the and the rival

1105
01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:48.720
sect was Peter of Florence at Mossie, a council was held to unify Cathari,

1106
01:53:48.800 --> 01:54:00.159
so the Cathari have their own council
at Mosci, Italy. The the

1107
01:54:00.199 --> 01:54:09.680
Kathari chose a head bishop named Geratus, who was prepared to go on to

1108
01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:16.279
go on a long journey to Bulgaria
to search to find the true Consola consolamentum

1109
01:54:16.359 --> 01:54:23.880
ritual. Just as the collection was
being made for his journey, he was

1110
01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:31.279
discovered to be in reprehensible circumstances having
sex with a woman, and that was

1111
01:54:31.359 --> 01:54:36.239
not allowable for Kathari. So I
guess we can send that guy to find

1112
01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:45.039
the true ritual. So the attempt
at unity the Kathari council ended up in

1113
01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:50.479
an orgy by their leader and the
whole thing collapsed. Others were sent to

1114
01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:57.359
find valid consolamentum rituals and failed.
Bulgaria was supposed to be a stronghold of

1115
01:54:57.399 --> 01:55:03.039
Bogoboism, and so the Cathari did
not generally. I can't read my note

1116
01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:12.560
there, That's why they were going
to Bulgaria. Catholicism, however, did

1117
01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:19.680
not typically contain Antiinomian teachings. This
was the view of the Massallians right.

1118
01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:28.079
The testimony of the Inquisition shows that
the Cathari were not in fact Antinomian,

1119
01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.600
but did have a strict code so
to speak, not that they necessarily kept

1120
01:55:31.600 --> 01:55:39.279
it. As we said, their
major book was the Book of Two Principles.

1121
01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:48.279
Yet eventually the Kathari began to feel
the pressure of the Catholic apologetic the

1122
01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:56.239
Catholic polemicists. Polemicist forced the Kathari
to think more about their dualism and whether

1123
01:55:56.279 --> 01:56:04.319
it was coherent. For the Catharid
their dualism had actually previously been kind of

1124
01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:10.000
in the background of their theology.
Through the Catholic apologetic and argumentation, they

1125
01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:14.800
more and more forced the Cathori to
deal with the implications of their strict dualism.

1126
01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:20.760
One of the one of the theologians
came to this conclusion, John of

1127
01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:27.640
Luggio, and this was another indicator
in their collapse. Was one of their

1128
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:33.399
major theologians, I guess was having
problems with this innocent the third The crusade

1129
01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:38.760
against the Cathars did appear to be
effective, first in Languadoc and then in

1130
01:56:38.800 --> 01:56:42.680
Italy. In twelve twenty five,
they held a council at Prius to set

1131
01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.640
up a new diocese. Between twelve
twenty nine thirty and twelve thirty seven,

1132
01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:51.520
the backbone of Catholicism had been completely
broken into loose due to the surrender of

1133
01:56:51.560 --> 01:57:00.000
the pro Cathar count. So the
state is propping them up. So notice

1134
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:05.159
this is probably not just a bunch
of weirdos. If they had not had

1135
01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:13.960
state and princely noble aid, just
as Luther will have aid from the German

1136
01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:19.319
princes, none of this would even
work. Right. So as soon as

1137
01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:23.680
the count in this place surrenders up, where do you go? What do

1138
01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:30.520
you know? The sect begins to
collapse. A council and to loose was

1139
01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:42.439
set up, set up a systematized
canonical police system to root out heretics based

1140
01:57:42.479 --> 01:57:47.199
on the Pope's ad Ablendon bull Gravy, the Ninth Commissions, as we said,

1141
01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:51.800
the Dominicans to drive out Cathism.
The Dominicans proved very effective at this.

1142
01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:57.520
They were driven out to loose by
twelve thirty five by the Dominicans,

1143
01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:01.399
mainly from twelve forty to twelve forty. This is the turning point. Peter

1144
01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:15.199
Sela, the commandon, the companion
of dominic and the only I can't read

1145
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:19.039
my notes there, but he was
a moderate inquisitor for a wire I see

1146
01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:25.880
he at first was a moderate inquisitor. He later achieved much success, and

1147
01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:31.920
many people availed themselves of the time
of grace because theyed they feared the future

1148
01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:38.279
punishment. Oh that's because they would
give him a three year period. I

1149
01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:41.720
see what I'm saying. So basically
twelve forty to twelve forty three was like

1150
01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:45.000
the grace period. So they would
come and preach, and you had like

1151
01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:50.520
one or two or three years of
your period of grace before the state would

1152
01:58:50.560 --> 01:58:55.640
come and the inquisitor's hand you over
to the state. A group of inquisitors

1153
01:58:55.640 --> 01:59:02.560
were murdered by Katharai in Auvignon.
I can't read my note, it looks

1154
01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:08.520
like I says Avignon. This resulted
in a siege on the Cathari stronghold or

1155
01:59:08.600 --> 01:59:15.159
castle in the Pyrenee. Two hundred
Cathars ended up arrested, including the Cathari

1156
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:18.880
bishops of Toulouse and Rose. In
twelve forty nine, Count Raymond the second

1157
01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:26.319
abandoned his policy of tolerance and now
began to persecute. He burned eighty Catharised

1158
01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:31.239
suspects in one day, and I
can't tell what city agent. His successor,

1159
01:59:31.279 --> 01:59:40.039
Alphonse of Poitier was brother to King
Louis the ninth and became a hard

1160
01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:46.840
handed persecutor of all heretics. The
last Cathar was burned at lung Burn in

1161
01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:53.119
Languedoc as late as thirteen thirty.
From twelve forty three, the writing was

1162
01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:59.239
on the wall and Catharism had been
rooted out and collapsed. Bernard of co

1163
02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:09.520
u c au X interrogated four thou
five four hundred and seventy one suspected heretics.

1164
02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:18.640
Quera Low q u e r I
l o u s was the last

1165
02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:24.880
castle stronghold of the Catharie. If
you go and look up the Cathari castles

1166
02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:29.560
you'll see like seven or eight of
them that they had all somehow obtained these

1167
02:00:29.640 --> 02:00:33.079
castle strongholds. So they had to
have, you know, state elite support

1168
02:00:33.159 --> 02:00:39.119
for this. The last of their
castles, the many Cathari castles, was

1169
02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:46.119
this Quera Low or whatever. Bernard
of co had interrogated, However, so

1170
02:00:46.159 --> 02:00:55.079
many of them that his sentences or
penalties listed. Out of the four hundred

1171
02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:59.520
and seventy one, two hundred and
seven were sentenced, twenty three were imprisoned,

1172
02:01:00.119 --> 02:01:05.439
and the rest were given yellow crosses
and other penances, Bernard of Co

1173
02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:12.399
had in fact not burned anyone.
The records were recalled after a few years

1174
02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:15.600
and then so what they would do
is they would interrogate, you would have

1175
02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:21.439
this penalty that you'd wear a yellow
cross for three years as a penance.

1176
02:01:23.880 --> 02:01:30.239
And what I'm saying is that people
think of inquisitions like just billions of people

1177
02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:34.239
being burned, which is all just
pure nonsense. In this one example of

1178
02:01:34.279 --> 02:01:42.800
Bernard of Co interrogating five four hundred
and seventy one persons, two hundred and

1179
02:01:42.840 --> 02:01:46.680
seven of them were sentenced as recalcior
and heretics. Only twenty three ended up

1180
02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:51.359
in jail and the others were given
penance and note, and no one was

1181
02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:56.680
put to death. So it wasn't
as crazy as people make it up to

1182
02:01:56.720 --> 02:02:00.720
be. Now there, as we'll
see, there's different inquisitions. Okay,

1183
02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:08.800
there's papal inquisition, there's earlier state
inquisitions that we saw in this these sections,

1184
02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:14.800
and their Spanish inquisition. Spanish inquisition
is gonna be directly under like Isabella

1185
02:02:14.840 --> 02:02:17.960
and stuff, right, Papal inquisition
is supposed to be directly under the pope.

1186
02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:23.039
So they're not all there's not just
everybody doing there's different types of inquisitions,

1187
02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:26.039
and eventually there becomes the Holy Office
of the Inquisition. Okay, so

1188
02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:30.159
these are developments that take a long
time. Don't get this stuff confused.

1189
02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:36.720
But even still, the entirety of
the Inquisition did not murder millions of people.

1190
02:02:38.039 --> 02:02:41.680
I think Henry Commons says it was
a few thousand. So this is

1191
02:02:41.720 --> 02:02:47.039
all exaggeration. And I'm not a
Roman Catholic, and I'm gonna be honest

1192
02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:59.600
and fair with what the secular scholars
say about this stuff. Where Catherism of

1193
02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:04.600
the twelve forty twelve forties declined from
persecution, the perfect I switched the black

1194
02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:14.600
robes for hidden girdles and retreated to
the country. Simultaneously, Dominik's House for

1195
02:03:14.760 --> 02:03:24.119
abandoned women and abandoned Kathari girls grew
popular. Cathar leaders authorized them to then

1196
02:03:24.279 --> 02:03:31.239
shed blood, so now they turn
into a bloody cult. The indura was

1197
02:03:31.319 --> 02:03:38.760
a form of Kathari self imposed suicide. It was consonant with the ancient Greek

1198
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:45.000
gnostic idea of the body being the
imprisoning power. By the demi urge Plato,

1199
02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:51.159
some Sami bodies the prison bodies of
tomb and as a result, the

1200
02:03:51.880 --> 02:04:01.039
perfectionist mindset ended up in a suicide
cult. There was a revival. Now

1201
02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:04.960
we're kind of jumping around in time, not because the notes are out of

1202
02:04:05.079 --> 02:04:13.159
place, but he's just kind of
looking at the course of it, reflecting

1203
02:04:13.239 --> 02:04:23.279
upon it. Pierre Autier in twelve
ninety five and his brother Guillaume helped to

1204
02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:29.159
evangelize their relatives for Catherism. Pierre
ended up captured and burnt in thirteen eleven,

1205
02:04:29.920 --> 02:04:33.680
and this was the ultimate final death
blow to Catherism. The fall was

1206
02:04:33.720 --> 02:04:44.199
due solely to the determined use of
the machinery of a few churchmen country Catherism

1207
02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:56.159
was a household manifestation of a parachurch
organization. The Cathars would only marry other

1208
02:04:56.279 --> 02:05:00.159
Cathars at this stage. This doesn't
really make any sense because marriage was outlaw.

1209
02:05:00.239 --> 02:05:04.359
But the sect can of course change
with the times, as sex always

1210
02:05:04.399 --> 02:05:08.720
do. And now you can kill, now you can be bloody. Oh,

1211
02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:12.199
we were pacifist, now we're revolutionary. Bloody. I guess you can

1212
02:05:12.239 --> 02:05:18.359
be married now. The deathbed,
the deathbed consolamentum purported to grant full assurance

1213
02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:25.399
of salvation, and this was the
this is what gave it larger. So

1214
02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:30.319
basically you could do whatever you wanted
and then just do the deathbed suicide ritual

1215
02:05:31.359 --> 02:05:40.239
to achieve salvation. This is just
crazy stuff. Another heretic pops up around

1216
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:45.359
this time called I Vote of Narbone. I've always a wandering preacher who fell

1217
02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:50.199
in with the Cathars. They he
sent missionaries to the Sorbone to destroy Catholicism

1218
02:05:50.439 --> 02:05:59.039
from within by gaining an inner knowledge
of Catholicism at the university. That's a

1219
02:05:59.039 --> 02:06:01.359
weird one, just a random guy
that pops up. The murder of inquisitor

1220
02:06:01.399 --> 02:06:09.600
Peter Martyr in twelve fifty two was
an action of the Kathari because of the

1221
02:06:09.640 --> 02:06:14.720
persecution of heretics in Milan. The
struggles between Frederick the Second and the Pope

1222
02:06:14.800 --> 02:06:19.039
kept the heretics alive. It actually
slowed the persecution, so the Pope starts

1223
02:06:19.079 --> 02:06:28.119
having problems with Emperor and the Kathari
take advantage of this. Milan's heretics were

1224
02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:38.159
brought to order at the end of
the thirteenth century with Belowne along with Bologne

1225
02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:48.079
in thirteen oh nine. The last
heretical Cathar bishop lasted listed in Western Europe

1226
02:06:48.319 --> 02:07:01.479
was a Cathar bishop of Tuscany in
thirteen twenty one, Peter Order, Roman

1227
02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:11.199
Catholic saint started up confraternities for the
suppression of heretics. Could you imagine this

1228
02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:19.760
after Vatican two, a famous Western
saint starting up a confraternity for the suppression

1229
02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:31.159
of heretics. Catharism, Catholicism revived
in this cathar suppressed atmosphere. So by

1230
02:07:31.479 --> 02:07:36.680
after a few centuries, Catholicism's on
the way out thirteen hundreds, you're now

1231
02:07:36.760 --> 02:07:46.720
getting revival of Catholicism. Heresy was
squeezed into its ultimate oblivion in this time

1232
02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:51.479
period. Heresy in the Roman callis
knowledge was expanding in the thirteen the fourteenth

1233
02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:55.640
century. At this time. At
this time, universities are popping up everywhere,

1234
02:07:56.680 --> 02:08:01.399
New medical schools are popping up,
and so this is making it more

1235
02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:05.359
difficult to kind of deceive, you
know, so many peasants at a local

1236
02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:11.479
level. The new piety of Francis
of Assisi and the emphasis on Christ's human

1237
02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:20.600
life also helped kill Catherism in its
dualism and gnosticism. This incarnational emphasis of

1238
02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:28.319
Francis appears to have helped ideologically.
However, as we said, a new

1239
02:08:28.439 --> 02:08:31.079
danger was beginning to emerge that we
started this talk out with because my notes

1240
02:08:31.079 --> 02:08:37.760
are out of order, yochemism,
there's going to be a heresy even within

1241
02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:50.680
Franciscans. Chapter eight. The Waldensians
after Bergamo, after the I can't read

1242
02:08:50.720 --> 02:09:00.880
my note. Only the Waldensians continued
to survive after this. Out of this

1243
02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:05.560
time period, all the other crazy
cults that we mentioned, they'll die out.

1244
02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:13.239
Only the Waldensians survive from after twelve
thirteen up into sixteenth century, so

1245
02:09:13.479 --> 02:09:20.319
they make it for a few centuries, then they're out. You're done.

1246
02:09:20.680 --> 02:09:26.039
Compared to most of the other medieval
heresies, they're really the only one that

1247
02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:35.000
had longevity, relatively speaking. They
outlasted the persecutions. The Protestants who would

1248
02:09:35.039 --> 02:09:39.479
later go and investigate them found them
under educated, primitive, and still two

1249
02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:46.720
Catholics. So even the Waldensians didn't
make it make the Protestant cut because they

1250
02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:50.680
Protestants, I guess went and met
with them at the time of the Reformation.

1251
02:09:52.840 --> 02:09:56.560
The failed Council of Bergamo, the
rescript them is the only document that

1252
02:09:58.000 --> 02:10:03.960
survives. Council of Bergemow. I
guess this is a Waldensian council. I

1253
02:10:03.960 --> 02:10:07.439
don't know what that means. There
was a great upheaval in the thirteenth and

1254
02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:13.079
fourteenth century due to the imperial papal
conflicts. So the Pope starts having problems

1255
02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:18.720
with his western emperor, and this
is leading to civil upheaval the world.

1256
02:10:20.119 --> 02:10:28.359
The Waldensians supported Emperor Frederick the Second
against the Pope. The Waldensians declared all

1257
02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:37.239
Catholic stuff Nolan boyd because of clerical
sin. The Waldensians, however, made

1258
02:10:37.399 --> 02:10:48.079
quite a bit of headway in Germany. Wealthy families in Strasburg and Augsburg donated

1259
02:10:48.159 --> 02:10:54.279
heavy sums of money to the Waldenians, which helped them going. Germany then

1260
02:10:54.359 --> 02:11:03.319
became the base the Waldensian heresing alright, got a couple more super chats.

1261
02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:07.720
I'll hit those up, but my
voice is starting to crack, even though

1262
02:11:07.720 --> 02:11:13.439
we've still got a solid audience of
about two hundred and fifty five. I'll

1263
02:11:13.439 --> 02:11:18.600
finish up this page, and then
it looks like we've got a little more

1264
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:24.079
on the Waldensians, and then we
come to Gregory the ninth and John the

1265
02:11:24.119 --> 02:11:33.000
twenty second, the famous popes.
We will deal with the poor Lombards,

1266
02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:45.479
some other weird, random creepy here
atics. We will deal with papal disputes

1267
02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:52.840
with emperors, inquisition, debates,
templars. Uh oh, the free spirit

1268
02:11:52.920 --> 02:11:58.920
heresy they sound neat right, what's
the free spirit heresy? The spiritualists,

1269
02:12:01.640 --> 02:12:09.159
the Great Western Schism, not Eastern
Orthodox Schism, the Great Western Schism,

1270
02:12:09.199 --> 02:12:16.800
fraud Dolcino, Fraud Dolcino, and
much much more. And then we'll come

1271
02:12:16.880 --> 02:12:22.039
up to guess who's after all that? John Wickliffe. Now we're starting to

1272
02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:30.119
get into that pre Reformation stuff.
I don't know how much of that will

1273
02:12:30.119 --> 02:12:35.760
be in Part two because we've still
got a lot of notes on this book.

1274
02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:41.520
We've only covered maybe maybe one third
of the notes, so again,

1275
02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:45.920
this will probably be multiple talks.
I'm going to close it out here with

1276
02:12:46.039 --> 02:12:56.159
this. Passaul Anonymous. Passol Anonymous
Dominican of the late thirteenth century and author

1277
02:12:56.199 --> 02:13:05.600
of a compilation Debating with Jews Heretics
Antichrist, which dates from the second half

1278
02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:11.039
of the thirteenth century, is what
gives us the detailed picture of the Waldensian

1279
02:13:11.079 --> 02:13:16.279
worldview. This is twelve sixty six
AD. Passau Anonymous gives an account of

1280
02:13:16.319 --> 02:13:22.960
the Inquisition of forty two Waldensians.
Passaul says that they had no hierarchy amongst

1281
02:13:24.039 --> 02:13:28.079
them They believe that all of their
members could preach, even the children.

1282
02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:41.319
Even kids can preach. Ten sites
are outlined as Waldensian schools, so they

1283
02:13:41.319 --> 02:13:46.359
had set up ten different places where
they had schools. They will be very

1284
02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:54.760
similar to the coming fifteenth century group
known as the Lollards. The Waldenians believe

1285
02:13:54.840 --> 02:14:01.760
that the words of consecration could be
spoken by a lay person or even a

1286
02:14:01.800 --> 02:14:09.319
woman, so they believe in women
priests. The durability of the movement lay

1287
02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:13.079
in the faults of the existing clergy. So once again, the corruption of

1288
02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:22.960
the institutional Roman church is what powers
and fuels the peasantry buying into Waldensians.

1289
02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:41.359
He Malcolm Lambert notes that corruption of
the institutional clergy is quite often the case

1290
02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:48.119
of the spread of heresy. However, the Waldensians were very superstitious and ignorant.

1291
02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:54.880
They believed that all churches that were
institutional were harlots, and they claimed

1292
02:14:54.920 --> 02:15:01.520
to have and possess outrageous, absurd
miracles. So once again every sactistic,

1293
02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:07.960
Oh we have crazy miracles. This
proves was right. It was mostly It

1294
02:15:07.039 --> 02:15:16.199
was mostly however, ignorant peasants.
The newly converted were immediately ordained as missionaries

1295
02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:26.159
who were sent out to convert as
many people to the sect as possible.

1296
02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:31.119
They told all these people to immediately
become street evangelists, who used all kinds

1297
02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:35.640
of tactics, tricks, and methods
to get people to come to their Bible

1298
02:15:35.720 --> 02:15:39.520
studies, which were held in secret. They stressed the vernacular reading of the

1299
02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:45.640
Bible, the simple interpretation of the
text here is Protestant stuff, and their

1300
02:15:45.720 --> 02:15:50.760
overall theology was basically fundamentalist and donatists. Anything that had been done by a

1301
02:15:50.800 --> 02:15:58.680
sinful preacher, priest, or cleric
or bishop was invalid, and the Bible

1302
02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:03.439
should just be read by this people. In some cases they actually would murder

1303
02:16:05.039 --> 02:16:13.880
hierarchical clerics. The Romancalolic prelates.
Other notable heresies that Passault anonymous. The

1304
02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:22.199
Dominican found within the the Wealdenzians was
that they do not believe in any icons

1305
02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:26.520
or images. They do not believe
in any relics. Pilgrimages should not be

1306
02:16:26.560 --> 02:16:30.960
done, no one should take an
oath. There was no after death journey

1307
02:16:31.039 --> 02:16:37.520
or purgatory. They had a pure
literalism when they read simple Bible, simple

1308
02:16:37.559 --> 02:16:41.559
Bible texts. That's his take.
I'm not saying purgatory in the Romancalolic history

1309
02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:46.600
anyway. Sorry, that is about
the first third of Malcolm Lambert's book summarized.

1310
02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:48.399
It was a little bit out of
order. Sorry about that. My

1311
02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:56.360
notes are My notes are kind of
chaotic and archaic. Family plan for five

1312
02:16:56.399 --> 02:17:01.440
dollars says double duty day, good
job. I mean it doesn't feel like

1313
02:17:01.520 --> 02:17:07.360
work for me to sit back and
talk about you know, mega scholarly six

1314
02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:13.719
hundred page tomes. That's not work
for me. That's enjoyable. And you

1315
02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:16.879
know, joking around and talking with
Tristan that was fun. It's enjoyable.

1316
02:17:16.879 --> 02:17:22.280
It's leisure to me, bro leisure
to me. Funds for five dollars.

1317
02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:26.079
It seems the papal schism was an
explosion of heresy in the West. Absolutely,

1318
02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:35.559
it might be God hardening the heart. Aj do you mean the papal

1319
02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:43.639
heart. I'm not sure, but
yeah, I think that these are manifestations,

1320
02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:50.600
not totally but partly due to problems
within the West in terms of their

1321
02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:54.000
theology. Now, there can always
be corrupt clergy. I'm not saying that.

1322
02:17:54.360 --> 02:18:01.920
I mean there's plenty of corrupt clergy
throughout the East, and Bogomilism and

1323
02:18:01.559 --> 02:18:07.799
the heretic Nicetus these are gnostics who
do come from the East. Sure,

1324
02:18:07.959 --> 02:18:15.200
no denying that. But there's something
fundamentally wrong here, you know, in

1325
02:18:15.239 --> 02:18:18.639
the papal situation, as we're going
to continue to see. I believe the

1326
02:18:18.680 --> 02:18:26.799
solution to that problem is in the
bad theology, absolutely divind simplicity, Philly

1327
02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:33.479
Oquay rejecting Nicia two, which is
what the Carolinians do, which were covered

1328
02:18:33.479 --> 02:18:37.799
with snack. That's the root of
what's going on here in the West and

1329
02:18:37.840 --> 02:18:43.920
the rise and the innovations and changes
that nobody denies anymore unless you're like a

1330
02:18:43.399 --> 02:18:50.079
know nothing online pop Roman Catholic apologists. The Vatican and its apologists and theologians

1331
02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:58.760
have recognized a marked change between the
operations of the Church in the first eight

1332
02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:03.120
nine tenth century and what begins to
change with the rise of the people monarchy

1333
02:19:03.239 --> 02:19:11.840
afterwards. Exactly Ecclesiology is effected on
the basis of theology, not the other

1334
02:19:11.840 --> 02:19:20.920
way around. So you know,
that's what's going on here. But we're

1335
02:19:20.959 --> 02:19:24.559
not really here too, you know, we're not here to lecture on assote

1336
02:19:24.600 --> 02:19:31.719
my simplicity. We're looking at the
you know, the scholarly approach to these

1337
02:19:33.959 --> 02:19:37.239
largely unknown centric A lot of people
don't even know anything about this time period.

1338
02:19:37.239 --> 02:19:39.799
It's really fascinating, crazy, wild
stuff. You know. That was

1339
02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:46.520
really into this book when I read
it years ago. So enlightening stuff for

1340
02:19:46.559 --> 02:19:50.799
sure. Thank you guys, hope
you enjoyed it. Probably the next day

1341
02:19:50.879 --> 02:19:52.799
or two I'll do the second half, and depending on how far I get

1342
02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:56.680
in the notes in the second half, I'll determine whether there will be another

1343
02:19:56.680 --> 02:20:01.639
one. So thank you for joining
to me. Be sure to share this

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02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:03.959
if you would give me that like