1 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:31,960 What is up everybody? Good morning, Welcome to episode two hundred and ninety 2 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,039 five. God, that's a lot of episodes creeping up to three hundred of 3 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,439 Hobby Hotlines. Good be back. My name, of course, Drew or 4 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:45,920 the DH joined today by Victor the Rookie card Man himself and Erica from Love 5 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,640 What You Collect? How y'all doing today? Doing? Good? Good morning, 6 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:54,280 everybody? Good morning chat? Yes, good morning everyone? Yes, 7 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:59,479 what's up? Mad City Brew Abel and Vegas Hodges. Thanks everyone for tuning 8 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,560 in so so, like I said, this is episode two and ninety five 9 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,239 of Hobby Hotline. We're live over on bench Clear Media, and of course 10 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,920 we'll drop the link in the chat. We would love for you guys to 11 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,840 call in join the show. This is, of course your show. You 12 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,159 control everything if you want to, and feel free to call in. I'm 13 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:23,640 gonna post the link right now. But if there's any topics, anything that 14 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,920 you guys would like to discuss, please feel free to leave it in the 15 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,920 chat or call in. You can do video or audio. But guys, 16 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:36,079 let's I guess dive right into it. Kind of a slow hobby news week. 17 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,439 You know, nothing massive, nothing shocking or controversial, really to talk 18 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,439 about. But one really big thing that did happen, obviously, at least 19 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,400 that always pushes the hobby forward. Major League Baseball is back. Opening Day, 20 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:56,640 opening a has happened. We're here. Baseball season is back. So 21 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,359 I don't know how big fans of baseball you guys are, but you excited 22 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:05,359 that this spalls back. I am personally it to me. I don't know 23 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:09,960 if it's been the sixty degree temperatures that we've had here in the Chicago land 24 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:16,520 region in the month of February, but just leading to opening Day, to 25 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,680 me, it's like a holiday. I like singing that one Christmas song. 26 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:25,439 It's the most wonderful time. That's kind of like my vibe that I have. 27 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,919 That's how excited I get for the baseball season. But here, my 28 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:39,159 beloved Chicago Cubbies are number one starter ace right Justin Steele pitching opening day lights 29 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:45,599 out. I mean he's just whipping that thing through a swinging bunt situation down 30 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,280 the first baseline and he throws out his hamstring and I'm like, you got 31 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:53,280 to be kidding me. So that's kind of a bummer right out of the 32 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,000 gate. I hope he's doing well. I haven't gotten an update on him 33 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,919 yet, but I hope he's doing good. The other thing that I want 34 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,479 wanted to share was, uh, I was watching Quick Pitch this morning and 35 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,759 they were talking about Jackson Cheerio and they and they kind of like brought him 36 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,840 up, and you know, this was his first major league at bat, 37 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,039 first major league game, and here we go. They did all the hype 38 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:21,319 and all the highlights on Jackson Cheerio. But I'm looking for that major league 39 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,840 debut patch. Yep. I couldn't find it. Really, I could not 40 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,199 find it. Wow. And I even rewounded a little bit to kind and 41 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,919 it was hard to see because he had like a patch on each arm, 42 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,280 like a real big patch. Now they're becoming soccer jerseys, right, yeah, 43 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,159 everywhere on these things now, So he might have had it. I 44 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,000 just missed it, and I was looking for it, And I do know. 45 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:49,560 I noticed the same thing last year where he had some key rookies with 46 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,560 their first major league debut, and I couldn't find the patch on those guys 47 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,919 either. So I don't know if this is only for a certain amount of 48 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:00,439 players, or is it every single major league player that makes their debut. 49 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,479 I don't know. Maybe the check can help us. Maybe you guys know 50 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:08,639 a little something about about it that I don't. Well, Eric, I 51 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:12,879 don't know if you have anything on that, but I'm just very interested to 52 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,040 find out that answer as well. You know, if everyone well, I 53 00:04:15,079 --> 00:04:21,120 think I'm really surprised on Cheerio because he's not somebody that's you know, he's 54 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,279 obviously popular in the hobby. I've sold a lot of his stuff. He 55 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:29,000 moves easily, he sells quick. You know, people at shows asking about 56 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:32,560 him. So he's kind of a key rookie. So I'm surprised that you 57 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:38,279 can't see that on him. But it could be you might have to go 58 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:41,839 back all the way at the first inning because you know, Sue's Yanks Chick 59 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,480 put up a post showing the Wyatt Langford that he had his pro debut. 60 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:51,160 Could you could see it right right clear as day, that he had his 61 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,480 on I don't know if they take that jersey right away or not. I 62 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,279 mean, if you talk to people like Greg Mannitt's and stuff from back in 63 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:02,279 the day, they they would say in key games that they would go through 64 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:05,720 four or five jerseys, and so there are some of these games where they 65 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,000 know it's important and they want to maximize how many game used jerseys they can 66 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,279 get, and so Maddox has a great story about how he had five jerseys 67 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:20,079 for one of his games that are game used. So it's possible that he 68 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:24,839 wore it, maybe not even up to the plate, and then they took 69 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:30,120 it off. I don't know how they do it or not. Yeah, 70 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,800 but that is interesting. But yeah, I think Jackson Cheerio would have it. 71 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,839 I don't think you were for every call up, but I mean I 72 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,839 could be wrong. I did not. I didn't look at the update check. 73 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:45,519 I would want to take advantage of every call up because you don't know 74 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,319 what these guys. They might pop and become something big down the road. 75 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:53,920 Especially with baseball, it usually takes these guys a minute to get settled in, 76 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,240 so I don't know, maybe that's a missed opportunity if they're not doing 77 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,120 every call it. Yeah, I also think they should do I always. 78 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:04,000 I don't know. It's only like a one of one, and I get 79 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,199 the one of one, but I think they should have an MLB debut patch 80 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,600 card for every inning that they played in that game, and that way we 81 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,639 can give the player one right because they probably want one, but then you 82 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:23,319 know we'll have more than just one. You know that once you do something 83 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,120 you just said really interesting. I wonder how many of these players, as 84 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,079 you see more and more athletes getting involved in the hobby in terms of actually 85 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:35,079 collecting, like truly being collectors, how many of those guys are going to 86 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,279 go back and try and buy those cards of themselves. I know, if 87 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,879 it's me and I'm a collector and I'm playing, I would want that card. 88 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:47,360 I would want that patch for my jersey. I mean, at least 89 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:51,560 I would if I'm a collector, especially and someone that you know wants some 90 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:56,879 of my stuff, that would be like a holy grail of my collection, 91 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,839 even if I'm a pro athlete. And instead of glue the patch on the 92 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,920 jersey, they can put like a piece of velcro or something, and then 93 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,720 maybe inning one, you can they can put it somewhere, and then the 94 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,399 following inning, you know, second inning, third inning, so on and 95 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:15,120 so forth. And if he gets pulled out and five after five innings, 96 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,360 will hey, then that there's only five? But just giving the hobby a 97 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:24,079 little bit more chance at owning something as cool as that Mad City Brewer has 98 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,800 a question here and Eric, I'd love to get your answer on this as 99 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:30,959 well. But as he says, you have to think the player has the 100 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,040 original patch and collectors are getting a copy. So he's saying that they might 101 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:39,879 not even get the actual patch on the jersey, and that could, like 102 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,680 I said, if they're using multiple jerseys like they've done in the past. 103 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:48,480 The Mets famously did this to crank out game, used jerseys for multiple different 104 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:53,480 picture You can read these stories from back in the day. There's YouTube videos 105 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:57,720 on them all over the internet. If they're still going through multiple things which 106 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:03,279 major League Baseball authenticate everything now, like everything if you go to a game 107 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:07,279 and sit up close. I've sat right next to the guy. Almost every 108 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,360 single piece of equipment that a player touches is brought over to the guy. 109 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,399 He writes down what it is and he puts a sticker on it right away, 110 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:18,439 like they see it. They catalog everything as game is now, so 111 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:22,600 I could kind of see them doing multiple jerseys. But what do you think. 112 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,439 Do you think they're getting the original patch or are they pulling a fast 113 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,480 woman on everybody? Because I mean, who knows, how are we to 114 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,600 tell? I really don't know, But that's an interesting theory. I wouldn't 115 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:41,240 be surprised. Yeah, you know, I don't think there is a lot 116 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:46,440 of transparency though where these patches or items are actually coming from, or you 117 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,120 know, and and and how and what fashion they were Warren. I think 118 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:54,679 they do misi lead people saying that they were game worn, you know, 119 00:08:56,039 --> 00:08:58,639 even though they person could have worn it in the bathroom for five seconds and 120 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,159 not actually on the field, but on game day they did, you know. 121 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,279 So it's just a lot of lack of transparency in it, and they 122 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,000 just you know, just trying to capitalize as much as possible while being boozling 123 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,720 the consumers. That's just my personal opinion. Card manufacturers wouldn't mislead us like 124 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:26,600 that. Yeah no, they've never They've never done that before. It would 125 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:33,159 blow my mind. Yeah, but no, I mean it's it's something you 126 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,720 know, to think about because these cards command a lot of money. I 127 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,440 still think it's in the absolute wrong product. I would like to see this 128 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:45,960 since since we are going to get you get your opening day guys, but 129 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,360 this is a set that moves throughout the year, you know, like more 130 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,279 debut patches are gonna come every time someone gets caught up this year, they're 131 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,759 gonna have a patch. I would like to see them do this kind of 132 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:01,960 like Panini does with a set that I super collect they're Super Bowl Signatures, 133 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:07,679 where they put these cards in all different products. You never know the product 134 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,960 that's going to be in and you never know what players are going to be 135 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,200 in that product. That way, you can move it across all brands, 136 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,039 as opposed to keeping one product and trying to jack up the price of a 137 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,080 product that otherwise is going to go pretty cheap normally and putting that in there 138 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,440 just for that reason. I would like to see it moved along kind of 139 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:33,600 spread out among products. Since it is a you know, it's a card 140 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,000 that changes the checklist is going to grow as the year goes on. I 141 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,200 would like to see him do it in that way. And I love how 142 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,200 Pannini has done their Super Bowl Signatures set, and I've collected it ever since 143 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,879 it came out. And I love when I find out because you never know. 144 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,960 I love when I see, oh crap, there's a new one in 145 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,519 certified. Whoever, it may be awesome, I'm gonna go get that. 146 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:58,440 I would love to see that. I think it would be awesome. I 147 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,879 think it would create a lot of hype for tops around all their products as 148 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:07,519 opposed to one at least for these cards. Yeah, you know, that's 149 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,679 these cards and just an idea because I don't like having them all in one 150 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,200 set because they move along. You know, Get these cards out, get 151 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,039 them done. They're easy to do, right them out, but put them 152 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:20,639 in other stuff, you know, spread it out a little bit, like 153 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,919 they got They got me excited last year about it, but then it's like 154 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,240 it came out in what Chrome update, Yes, which came out like in 155 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,759 July August something like that, and it's like, man, I forgot all 156 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,080 about it. Oh you know, I don't know, but I like your 157 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,159 idea of spreading it out throughout the year in different products. It's it's it's 158 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,799 worthy of that kind of treatment that I mean, that's what I think. 159 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,200 I mean that I would like to see that personally, I think it's I 160 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,120 think these I think it's a great idea I would like to see. I 161 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,919 mean something they never show, but I would like to see a lot of 162 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,320 is a lot more of making this stuff, like Panini put out a great 163 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:05,960 video like a decade ago of them actually making the cards, like putting the 164 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,799 cards together, showing the printing facility, showing you know, the backstage method 165 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,120 of getting that card produced. Show that stuff so people actually know. You 166 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,799 know, you want to be more transparent. You want all these cool new 167 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:24,120 videos of you visiting a shop, which we'll get to later, whatever it 168 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:26,440 may be. For your socials, I mean, show some of this stuff, 169 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,919 you know, show hey, we're taking these debut patches, we're making 170 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,799 this card right now. Then this athlete will sign it. Okay, So 171 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,320 Mad City brew at ten thirteen seems like he found it. Okay on the 172 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:45,080 Churia, where is that the right shoulder under the m for the Milwaukee? 173 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Okay, they're tiny, they are not big like the other patches on the 174 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:56,639 jersey. When Sue put out that tweet, Sue's put out about what would 175 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,639 the Wyatt Langford go for? And I'd love y'all's opinion on that, because 176 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:03,440 I think it's a good question. Because he's a really unique case of his 177 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:09,080 first Bowman's out just came out, and he just made his major league debut. 178 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:13,200 It doesn't happen much anymore, and so you know, he's got all 179 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,679 the Bowman people behind him, all the Bowman hype. But now he's also 180 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:22,159 going to positive. I mean, I think they'll probably save maybe save as 181 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,279 rookie for next year. Who knows, maybe he'll drive update, But you 182 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,799 know, her putting that out, it's a good question. What do you 183 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,879 guys think the Wyatt Langford is going to go for? Because he's he's an 184 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,720 interesting case in baseball because, like you said, Victor, it's normally five 185 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:39,639 years something like that. You know, you've got the bowman hype, you 186 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,759 got all that, you'll let that die down, and then you get the 187 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,519 rookie hype kind of getting that all at once with him. So what do 188 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,039 you guys think you know that type of card is going to go for, 189 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,440 and what do you guys think that demand's going to be. Man, I'm 190 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,720 just so to me, I don't know. I don't know much about that 191 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,720 young man, but I do know that the hype is real. And you 192 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:05,039 know, if it gets if if it gets pulled sooner rather than later, 193 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,759 I think, uh, you know, we don't know if if that card 194 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,759 isn't pulled until late season and he's struggling this season, you know, but 195 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,440 if if that card were to show up today, I think it would it 196 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,279 would it would the price would be astronomical, So I don't know, it's 197 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,639 hard. Yeah, what about you, Eric? The way do you think 198 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:26,039 it? What do you think this kind of card would go for? Right 199 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,159 now? I honestly do not know. I'm not really much into baseball, 200 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,279 and I really don't know as much about the player. So I hit the 201 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,840 battle out on this one. Non understandable and not many Like I said, 202 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,200 not many people know much about him period. A lot of people spending a 203 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,600 whole lot of money on his cards, right how can you know anything about 204 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:52,399 it? Like his first moment just came out, So what is it? 205 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:58,320 What's striving to hype his age or what? I guess I'm not I've never 206 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,320 been someone that's a big prospect. I always like to watch someone prove themselves 207 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,120 in basketball, I always go after guys that I think are gonna, you 208 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,840 know, peeking or start to make their ascent year two or three, not 209 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,879 their rookie year. I don't really go after the guys that are, you 210 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:20,200 know, hyped up as much. But I'm not a huge prospector so I 211 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,399 don't know what the wyatt what the wyat line for hype is all about. 212 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,840 But I know if you're getting your first bowman out and you're pretty much jet 213 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:33,440 siding right past all the whole minor system. I mean, he had nothing. 214 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:37,360 I mean, now he's here, so I mean, I guess we 215 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,840 just kind of have to see. We're gonna watch him grow up on the 216 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,480 major league level, you know, always the chance he does get dropped back 217 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:48,240 down, you know, which they may do, even though service time and 218 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:52,360 things like that are a little different now with the rules and incentivized not to 219 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,279 do that, so he may stay up the whole time. Who knows. 220 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,399 But I'd love to hear from the chat what's actually driving hype up wyat Langford, 221 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:04,279 because you know, I haven't said I haven't seen much yet. And 222 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,399 we've got a question from Philly Joe for Victor, would you consider his first 223 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:14,320 Tops now card? Is it his rookie card? Are we talking about? 224 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Who? Who we're talking about? I believe, I believe we're still talking 225 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:21,360 about why at Langford, being that he had just had a bowman and now 226 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:25,159 he's got the Tops Now, Well, what Tops put on it? They 227 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,360 put up a call up on it or did they put up a rookie card 228 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:30,360 logo on it? I don't know. Yeah, I haven't seen the card. 229 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:36,600 I'm gon try pulling it up here real quick. Logan hypeb and Flippers, 230 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:45,399 Mike Petty morons are driving the hype and is on his opinion, So 231 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,879 I love I will agree with that, but I will say the people there's 232 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:55,279 Bowman collectors, man, it doesn't matter who it is. It doesn't matter 233 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,399 what it is people. I mean, I know so many collectors that just 234 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,480 collect boat. They're just prospecting guys, and that's their stuff. I don't 235 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,240 know why, but I don't know what's driving the massive hype on him compared 236 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:11,000 to a lot of other really really good rookies that we have this year. 237 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,359 I think this is going to be a fun year for baseball in terms of 238 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,039 call ups and the minor league system, which that's what I'm more excited about 239 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:23,680 because Hickory crawd at baseball is almost back, so get to see my Crawdads 240 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,599 and go to all those games. So looking forward to that. But I 241 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,200 love Mookie Chilsea, he says, Erica, I'm a Mets fan. I'm 242 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:41,960 not into baseball either. Well that's good. I wouldn't doubt the Mets players 243 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:47,000 having multiple GAMINGUS patches either, because, like I said, the Mets are 244 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:51,599 the ones that are famously known for trying to manufacture as much Gamus stuff as 245 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,160 possible, going back to the nineties as well. But as Word says, 246 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,119 Langford does lead all Cactus League batters with six homers and all all Major leaguers 247 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,319 with nineteen RBI and at one point two to eight ops. All right, 248 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,200 so he's legit out the gate. I'll say that. I mean, that's 249 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,160 strong. If you're gonna if you're gonna lead all major leaguers nineteen RBI's bounce 250 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,079 note, We'll see, it'll be fun to watch. But I guess, 251 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,359 I mean, I guess he's starting off strong. Morning reds everybody at the 252 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:29,519 shop. I hope everyone's doing well today. My petty ill prospectors never die. 253 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:37,279 I just smell that way. Oh yes, I agree, Cactus League 254 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,319 is not the regular league. But uh right, well, we'll see. 255 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,160 We'll see how he does. But yeah, I think it's gonna be I 256 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,519 think it's gonna be a fun baseball season. It's gonna be an interesting one 257 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:52,119 in the hobby. I think a lot of players are kind of at that 258 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,599 point where it's put up or shut up. You know, you only have 259 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:59,200 so many years before. People are gonna get up on you. And we've 260 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,960 got a lot of new people coming in, which is going to take a 261 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,000 lot of attention away from a lot of people, a lot of interesting stuff. 262 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:07,799 What's going to happen with the Tony market, What's going to happen with 263 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:12,319 the Trout market? Is Trout actually into play baseball for the first time in 264 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,359 like a decade. I mean, it's a lot of questions, but baseball 265 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,319 is back. I love it. Yes, absolutely, all right, guys, 266 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:25,000 So once again, I'm gonna put the link in the chat. If 267 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,599 there's any questions, comments, or anything that you guys would like to come 268 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,079 on the show and talk about, we would love to discuss it with you. 269 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,279 Just click that link, audio or video either way on your computer or 270 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,920 phone. Just feel free to come on in. But yes, I agree, 271 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,079 Collector Dream, it is going to be one fun season. But Victor, 272 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,599 there was something that you brought up in our chat that I figured would 273 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,119 be a pretty cool topic to discuss this week, and it kind of stems 274 00:19:53,160 --> 00:20:00,599 from a video that came from Michael Rubin visiting everyone's favorite shop, Cards HQ. 275 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,480 But there were some interesting takeaways from that video. I'll kind of let 276 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:10,839 you lead off with this, Yeah, I found it. I found it 277 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:18,759 pretty interesting. It was kind of an episode on the Jeff Wilson Show that's 278 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,119 a separate channel that he has, but he was basically going over the visit 279 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,319 that Michael Rubin gave, the visit that he did to the store, and 280 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,599 I found it pretty interesting. I ended up trying to pull some context clues 281 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,400 from that and trying to get my take as I reflected on that video. 282 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,319 Now, I wish I would have been a fly on the wall and could 283 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:44,799 have heard the entire visit, right, But we just got little clips, 284 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,000 fast moving clips through the editing. Right. But I did notice first off 285 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:53,960 the gate that Michael Rubin just asking a ton of questions, like right out 286 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,839 of the gate, and it reminded me of when I was in management. 287 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,359 At my job. Upper management would come in and visit on occasion, right, 288 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,799 and when they visited, the first thing they would do they wouldn't even 289 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:12,519 say hello, but the first thing they would do is start firing questions off, 290 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:18,079 right, just question after question after question to see if I guess, 291 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,920 to see if you're on top of things, to see if you know the 292 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:26,000 numbers, and it's just It's one of them things where I never liked that 293 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,079 type of move. To me, it was more of like a like a 294 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:36,480 power play, like a power struggle, like a type gimmick that the management 295 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:37,920 likes to play, you know what I mean. And he just came off 296 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,319 like like a machine gun, just asking question after question, and I was 297 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:47,200 a little taken back by that. I never have been a fan of that 298 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:53,720 kind of of engagement, but it was it was really good in the aspect 299 00:21:53,759 --> 00:22:00,880 of some things that Michael Rubin had said where he was where he was basically 300 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:07,799 saying some of the key elements of what they have already established in the hobby, 301 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:15,119 and that is the MVP buy back program, the MLB debut patch card, 302 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:21,960 and basically getting athletes involvement, having the athletes themselves be the marketing tool 303 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:26,480 for the product. And that was kind of the main things that they and 304 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,000 I guess I wanted to pose that question to the chat. How do we 305 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:36,400 feel about those three things, the buy back program, the debut patch and 306 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:41,720 athlete involvement athletes involved in the marketing. Is it a feather in their cap? 307 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:47,319 Personally? I think it is. I think it's something that I think 308 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,920 where the hobby had been maybe complacent or doing the same thing year after year, 309 00:22:52,680 --> 00:23:00,880 and they actually really did bring an element of excitement through that. I'll 310 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:08,279 let you guys talk on that, Erica. Honestly, I'm really just like, 311 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,240 uh, I feel as though they could be doing so much more and 312 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:22,000 so much and so much in a more authentic and a more captivating way for 313 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:29,799 the current consumers and incoming consumers. So I'm just really not impressed with the 314 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,680 things they've done so far. Like I'm not upset, but I'm just it 315 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,440 doesn't move the needle for me. You know, with they have, they 316 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:41,920 have all the tools to make different things happen, but you know, they 317 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,039 have their own agenda, and I don't know if their agenda is what's best 318 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:51,759 for the current hobby or even future consumers as well. Okay, well, 319 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:56,240 I actually, you know, from the three things that you brought up, 320 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,839 Victor, I think I think those aspects of what they done have been great. 321 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,279 I think it's a good idea. I think the buyback program is awesome. 322 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:07,400 I would like to see them do more with it. I think there's 323 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,680 more they can do post buy back and pre buy back kind of make that 324 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,960 more interactive all year long, and I'd like to see some cool stuff done 325 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,839 with those cards. Tim Carroll makes something I don't know. There's a lot 326 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:25,000 of options you can do with with those cards that you get. The one 327 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:29,240 thing that I will say is the athlete engagement. I love the trade nights, 328 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,160 the trading card days and stuff which he didn't really mention, but the 329 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,200 trading card nights that they've been having at hobby shops and you know, just 330 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,440 randomly in the middle of nowhere, North Carolina, we have you know, 331 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,160 massive you know, superstars showing up at a hobby shop across the country at 332 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,240 random knights and things like that. I love that, and I love the 333 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,960 athlete engagement part. But at the same time, I do agree Eric it's 334 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,920 not I think it's a good start. I'll put it that way. It's 335 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,759 a great start, but I want to see I want to see a little 336 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:08,319 bit more. I think innovation is ridiculous. They talked so much about innovation 337 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,079 and everything like that. That's great in the marketing and all that stuff and 338 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,160 all the social media and whatever. The athlete engagement, that's awesome, But 339 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,839 how about on the cards. Because you just put out a Victor Wenbin Yama 340 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,480 freaking tops and out card that's literally a downtown, Like it's a Panini downtown. 341 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:30,400 Let's be honest, with a ridiculously stupid rookie card logo on it, 342 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,880 which I don't know if you like the logo Victor, but I think it's 343 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:40,119 hideous. But it's literally a downtown. There's no innovation there whatsoever. It's 344 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,880 a blatant rip off of the home field advantage, which is a rip off 345 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,559 of the downtown. But I mean, company's been doing that for a long 346 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:52,559 time. But I want to see more of this innovation in the actual cards. 347 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,720 Like I don't see it in the cards. I see it in other 348 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:59,079 areas, and I think that's great. I think that's the way you're going 349 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,160 to get more new people into the hobby. But I would I think there 350 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,519 needs to be an overhaul in that, in the actual thought process of the 351 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,200 design elements and things like that. If you're going to preach innovation, I 352 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,440 would like to see a lot of testing being done, especially when you have 353 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,559 an on demand product and line that you can do all this testing on. 354 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:23,440 You don't have to make full products and all this stuff, but test some 355 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,559 stuff out, test the waters a little bit more but overall, I think 356 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,319 it's a good start. Yeah, and we can talk about that that tops 357 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,440 Wemby Card in just a minute. But I had another question that I wanted 358 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,519 to pose when it came to this interview with Michael Rubin, so in it, 359 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:44,559 I picked up they were they they did a segment talking about old card 360 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:51,480 shops versus new card shops, and they understood the nostalgia of old card shops 361 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:56,200 and they you know, they kind of based it off of chaos and paneling 362 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:02,359 on the walls type of thing, just a real old nineteen eighties, nineties 363 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,960 type feel to it. And what Ruben and fanatics are wanting more is the 364 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,119 kind of what cards HQ has to offer, something a little bit more esthetically 365 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,200 pleasing to the eye type of card shop. And I guess I don't know. 366 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,799 I would love to hear the opinion of the chat and you guys, 367 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,599 but is this a fact? Is this something that the hobby actually needed? 368 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:32,119 Do you want to see card shops updated? Okay, because I know I'm 369 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,400 I'm fifty three years of age and I grew up through the eighties and nineties 370 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,799 inside of card shops literally, But I do know that when I go into 371 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:47,559 that type of card shop today. I do feel that it does lack in 372 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,119 customer service a bit. I do feel that it lacks in modern cards a 373 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,039 little bit. I do feel that it's a little outdated. And I don't 374 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:00,200 know. Sometimes I get not on all shops that I go to, with 375 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,400 some shops that are outdated. It just feels a little creepy in there, 376 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,759 and and I find my visit to be a little shorter than I expected. 377 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,799 And so I and I wanted to know, is that just me feeling that 378 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:18,319 way, or is that like other hobbyists feeling that way? First, that's 379 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:25,559 a good question. You know, this tug between you know, updating the 380 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:30,920 older card shops making them more current. I understand why why there's a tug, 381 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,079 and there's a one for it, but I believe there's a place for 382 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,880 everyone. I think what it comes down to is more or less tracking to 383 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,000 see what numbers are from all card shops type of thing, you know, 384 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,759 the actual numbers, you know, the profits and losses. I think that's 385 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,640 the most important piece, not the aesthetics of it, because at the end 386 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,240 of the day, it's one hundred it's one hundred people per hour to go 387 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,279 to a broke down McDonald's and a nice new McDonald's. People, you know, 388 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:02,359 so it's the same. Doesn't mattercessarily how it looks is about what kind 389 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,200 of service they get out of it and the product they get out of it. 390 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:08,200 And you can get great service and great product out of an older hobby 391 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:15,119 shop with leaks everywhere and carpet passes all you can, but at the same 392 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,400 time you can also get terrible service. Just like a comment I just read, 393 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,000 you know the hobby shop owner or the worker not properly educated. Yes, 394 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,359 but you can also get that at the old hobby shop and the new 395 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200 one. So I just think that a lot of the issues are just across 396 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,599 the board, depending on the person or the organ the business running things. 397 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:44,440 But all in all, I do think that if you know, if Fanatics 398 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,440 continues in this space, they will push for pleasingly esthetic hobby shops and they 399 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,480 will push the older ones out. That will be their plan. Yeah, 400 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,319 I could see that possibly happening in terms of the aesthetic, because they do 401 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,079 want to. I mean, if you're someone that's new to the hobby, 402 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,519 I think the esthetically pleasing hobby shops are probably the ones that are going to 403 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,759 bring in in their eyes at least more new customers, and they probably do. 404 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,480 And I'll give a good example of a shop that is both new, 405 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,680 like brand new, state of the art, but also amazing servants Double a 406 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,640 Mint down in South Florida, they just opened up a new shop. I 407 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 got a chance to visit it, I know, marking them really well, 408 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:36,000 and it's a perfect example of a functioning card shop with all of the new 409 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:41,279 amenities and everything that you see in these crazy you know cards HQ type of 410 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:47,440 places, but with the same staff and a knowledgeable staff, choices of wax, 411 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,000 choices of singles all the way down on the wall. You know, 412 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:53,440 it's not a museum. It's stuff that you can actually purchase, and it's 413 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,319 very it's very collector friendly. And when I went and visited on a random 414 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,960 day of the way, the amount of foot traffic and there was insane. 415 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:07,039 But I am a little worried about the card shops that, you know, 416 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,640 are not, you know, the most aesthetically pleasing or don't I think I 417 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,759 think the ones that don't adapt to the social media aspect, which you have 418 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,640 to nowadays. The ones that don't adapt to the social media aspect. I 419 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,400 mean, if you're not selling online. I really don't know how you're in 420 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,200 business right now as a card shop, honestly, like online sales have to 421 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:33,279 be a big part of your uh inventory. I would assume at least looking 422 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,640 at other shops that I know to be quite successful. But I think the 423 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,799 ones that don't adapt at least the social media aspect and showing things and you 424 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:47,279 know, being involved, well fanatics, Yeah, they are gonna want the 425 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,720 hobby shops that are gonna have the content, do the content and make the 426 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:56,160 stuff for them. So I could see some of those lcs's possibly dropping off. 427 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,759 But I agree Victor also with what you said that you know a lot 428 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,400 of the dingy rundown shops and things like that, a lot of times they 429 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,960 are it feels like they're just there, you know, they're not really there 430 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,920 to help you. But if if you're not there to help, if you're 431 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,599 not there to educate, if you're not there to pull people in the doors, 432 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,839 I mean, it's you know, it's one of those things where I 433 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,240 think at that point, it's just a fun little project for him. It's 434 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,440 not something they're taking seriously, which a lot of hobby shops are just second 435 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,079 jobs. For people, you know. Yeah, yeah, and also too, 436 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,960 I always wonder, you know, fanatics, who is their main target 437 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,160 that they're focusing on. Is it the current hobby or is it the new 438 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440 consumers they want to get? You know, so that is a whole different 439 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,880 conversation of which they're pivoting. If it's the new consumers, they will want, 440 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:47,839 you know, the new shop or the glitzen lamb, the lounge type 441 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,680 vibe and you know, the trendy. That's so it just kind of boils 442 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,279 down to that. In my opinion, I think they lean towards the new 443 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:04,400 consumers because if they want to one hundred x, they would have to. 444 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,519 So that's a great point, Erica, And I think their concern is what 445 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:15,680 happens when this new collector goes into this outdated shop? What kind of experience 446 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,400 are they going to have? And that's kind of the rub, right, 447 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,599 So it's one of them things where I guess we'll, I don't know, 448 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,799 hope for the best going forward. Yeah, yeah, all right, agree, 449 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,960 but it does I mean, it is Eric Epos a great question right 450 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,359 there, and it is a you know, it's a separate topic, but 451 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,400 who are they going after with this? Are they going after you know, 452 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,240 are they trying to appease the collector base that they have that is literally pumping 453 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,559 money into this while everything changes, or are they trying to pull in the 454 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:49,759 new people that don't have skin in the game yet, you know. I 455 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,440 mean, obviously their answer is going to be both, but you can't really 456 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,799 make those moves to appease both, or at least I haven't seen them do 457 00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:00,640 it effectively yet. I would like to see him do it. But to 458 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,759 kind of round about to what Victor had asked at the beginning, I do 459 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,599 think it is a you know, it's a good start, but it is 460 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,599 worrisome a little bit because who knows, you know, I mean, what 461 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,719 are they going to do? But I do love, you know, one 462 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,119 of the things that he didn't mention, and I will say it again, 463 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:20,440 I love what they are doing with hobby shops. And some of these shops 464 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,320 are just regular run of the mill shops that they're that they're focusing on right 465 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,880 now, but we're seeing more and more of these destination shops, if you 466 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,199 will, kind of pop up. And at what point is that going to 467 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,480 be, you know, their sole focus and are the others going to fall 468 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:42,119 by the Wayside card Vibe here says we need both for a healthy happy in 469 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,400 my opinion, and I agree, I completely agree. I think both are 470 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,199 very very much needed for the hobby because every collector is not the same in 471 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,880 any way, and I all want a different experience. And some people want 472 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,880 that old school throwback vibe where they go in and they're looking at old school 473 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,880 stuff. You know that a lot of these new places don't have some do, 474 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,039 right, I mean some do, like Market double A, they've got 475 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,079 a great dollar box, vintage all back, but a lot of these other 476 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:14,239 places don't. And so you know, it's all about that experience. Like 477 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,000 you set point too, yep yep. On the flip side, right, 478 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:22,320 imagine an old head going into a new shop, right, yeah, not 479 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:28,440 his game where you see five people breaking boxes and yet huff. You know, 480 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:31,800 it's probably not where he wants to be. And so that's where I 481 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,119 think you definitely need both, you know, and I like it. But 482 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,519 I do like seeing shops update. I mean, we had a shop here 483 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:45,440 and in North Carolina recently they just expanded a little bit, put a nice 484 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,159 little They didn't do much at a small shop, but they added in a 485 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,559 nice little area for people to sit, trade, mess around, you know, 486 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,639 just more room for themselves and more room to put some product out. 487 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,360 Made the shop look a little nicer. I think things like that. I 488 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,840 mean, obviously, if you want to have a successful shop, you should 489 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,239 always want to make it look better in my opinion, but you know, 490 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,639 I think you need I think you need both of them. Really in all 491 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,159 honesty, I just hope that both continue to stay and that we can kind 492 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,920 of celebrate some of the new openings of some of these smaller shops and not 493 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:24,639 just focus on these destination type shops. But just my opinion on that. 494 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,239 All right, talk to me about Wemby. Now, that's all I had 495 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,400 on that shut all right, Yeah, Well, moving on. So the 496 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:38,039 Wemby, uh, the Tops kind of threw a last minute announcement everybody with 497 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:44,159 Dynasty Baseball that just came out. They had thrown in some Wemby autographs and 498 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,599 of course they had to put a patch from when he threw out the first 499 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:52,039 pitch in his Yankees uniform and everything on there. And the one to one 500 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,519 was pulled last night late last night by Bles Breaks. The one where he's 501 00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:01,280 drawn an alien on there. Look like sometime that tattoo on his face. 502 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:07,199 Ships I don't know all this crazy stuff, but Victor, I wanted to 503 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,320 bring it up just because you were on the show today and it was interesting 504 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,199 when we when this came out, we talked a lot about it on Mummy 505 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:21,840 at that potograph. But do you consider this card which in the mock ups 506 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,679 had a pretty much rip off of pine Rookie card logo on the card, 507 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,559 and it was labeled as a Rookie card, but when they put the card 508 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,039 out, they don't have a Rookie card logo on it. So is this 509 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,800 do you do you consider this a wenby r PA? Do you consider this 510 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,199 a Wenby Rookie? Because I mean, let's be honest, this is closest 511 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:45,119 we're gonna get to a wemb RPA. Yeah yeah, wallless all this stuff 512 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:49,840 that's about to come out that is all r PA dripping. So he's not 513 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,119 going to be I mean, his cases aren't there, so so Blez pulled 514 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,199 this last. I wonder how many cases he opened to get that sucker? 515 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,519 God, who I mean, there's not a lot of Dynasty put out, 516 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:05,800 you know. I mean I saw the Beatles, the big Jumbo Beatles card 517 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,599 had already been pulled by Anthony Laparo on Top Notch. A lot of big 518 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:15,440 cards have already been pulled out of it because not a lot of it's made. 519 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,639 But yeah, Wenby popped out right away. But but is it? 520 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,800 Is it? You know, a rookie card really? I mean, he's 521 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,880 in a Yankees uniform, he's it's in a base product. Yeah, it's 522 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,440 it's It's one of them things where you know, I'm I'm asked this question 523 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:35,800 and I had a couple of people dm me that that card and with the 524 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,480 with the rookie card logo of Panini, and I was like that that has 525 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:43,639 to be some kind of photoshop mock up type. I don't know what's going 526 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,960 on there, but that that didn't look right to me. But it's one 527 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,280 of them things where I answered that question like this, it's not so much 528 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,360 what what I think or what I say, it's it's what what do the 529 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,440 rules say? And and when you look at the breadth of scope of my 530 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:05,840 content, it's basically I've resurrected the guidelines from the past, kind of updated 531 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,079 them because some rules were outdated, and I applied the rookie card rules that 532 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:15,239 were given by the Players Association in two thousand and six, and I've merged 533 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,639 it two and kind of created this hybrid of Rookie card guidelines and best practices. 534 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,920 So when I take this Tops Dynasty card of Victor Wemby, it's not 535 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,239 what does Victor say, it's what do the rules say? And when I 536 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,199 filter that card through the Rookie card guidelines and best practices, that card of 537 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,559 Victor wimbin Yama does not qualify for a true Rookie card designation. And I'll 538 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:45,440 even go even a step further and say that anything of Victor women Yama produced 539 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:52,199 by Top Slash fanatics is not considered a true rookie card. Now, with 540 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,559 that's it, I'm not saying that they're not worthy of being collected, because 541 00:39:54,639 --> 00:40:00,639 they most definitely are. Some of them are pretty cool looking. But when 542 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:07,719 we're when we're trying to establish and identify and classify certain cards as rookie cards, 543 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:13,079 those cards fall short. Yep. No, So no on the on 544 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,000 that question. Now, why, Well, okay, let's look at it. 545 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:27,719 A true rookie card is a player's bass card established in their debut year 546 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:34,719 of this of their specific sportmas A basketball player, not a baseball player. 547 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,119 So there's I wanted to ask. That was one thing I wanted to ask, 548 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,039 is you know, how how are we going to translate a rip card 549 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,039 that they're baseball products like? Right? So that's strike one. Strike two 550 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:50,320 is going to be that it has to be licensed by the Players Association and 551 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,239 the league. So if we flip that card over, we're going to see 552 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:59,159 that it's not properly licensed by the NBA. And and and then strike three 553 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,719 it has to have a rookie card logo somewhere on that card, and it 554 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,880 doesn't have that either, So you know, in just and I mean there's 555 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,199 more, but just those three right there disqualifies it as a true rookie card. 556 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,519 I completely agree. I I completely are. It's probably a good thing 557 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,159 they didn't put their rookie card logo out because if they put the one they 558 00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,320 had on the mock up out, it's probably going to be Exhibit twelve hundred 559 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,880 and fifty in court for Panini if they did, because it was a massive 560 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,039 ripoff of their rookie card design. But they are logo, but they ended 561 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,480 up not putting that on that card. But Erica, what do you think 562 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:42,119 about these cards? You know, like TOPS is kind of doing this quite 563 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,079 a bit with Wemby. A lot of comments here saying they'd love to see 564 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,559 Tops put out a card of Wemby actually holding up basketball, and that's the 565 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,079 thing. We've had cards, but none of them. I mean, yeah, 566 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,639 they're worth collecting, Like Victor said, but what do you think on 567 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,239 it, like about these cards that TOPS is doing with Wemby right now, 568 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,400 Victor, he spot on the spot on with that. I do think it's 569 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,280 a little, just not a little. It is very disappointing that we don't 570 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:16,719 get on cards of Wemby and with a basketball. It's just it's said, 571 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,920 I feel bad for the consumers because it's just like, uh, you know, 572 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,679 they don't they don't care enough to just you know, make a better 573 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,280 product with him in his actual sport, you know. So I don't really 574 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,400 care for him and the baseball stuff. It's just because Mookie has a really 575 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:37,840 interesting comment here, and uh, I kind of haven't a thought on some 576 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,280 of this. I want to get y'all's opinion on it. It says TOPS 577 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,320 is crossing over introducing baseball collectors the biggest collector based I don't know about that 578 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,719 anymore. But to Wemby priming them to get ready for tops basketball when it 579 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,559 comes. There's a ten year plan at work here. I do agree that 580 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,440 they're definitely priming people for when they get other products and things like that. 581 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:06,320 I agree with you there, but I like, you know, I don't 582 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,840 know if I like the idea so much of all the I hope the crossing 583 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,000 over of like putting Wemby and take stealing these athletes. And what is c 584 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,000 J. Stroud gonna be in Dynasty? You know, are they saving him 585 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,639 for Chrome update? Like, I mean, what what are they gonna do? 586 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,119 They've got Stroud, They've got all these players. They're not using them 587 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:30,960 at all, you know, they don't use them for anything, But I 588 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,239 mean, what are they gonna do with them? And you know, the 589 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,280 biggest thing being are they considered rookies? But like a lot of commenters are 590 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,679 saying, a lot of people right now they're spending money don't even care about 591 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,159 the rookie card rules. And that's fine if you don't. But a lot 592 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:50,079 of true old school collectors and a lot of diehard collectors do care about that 593 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,559 rookie card designation. It's a big deal to a lot of people, and 594 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:59,480 so you know it's interesting to say to speed, Yeah, to me, 595 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,559 this it's it's it's a gimmick card. Okay. Now, if I'm gonna 596 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,119 use a gimmick card to sell product, hey, I get it. I'm 597 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,079 okay with it. If you want to use a gimmick and throw them in 598 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:13,119 there. But I think, uh, you got to be careful of doing 599 00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,519 that too much. And I think that's going to start causing some feathers to 600 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:21,639 get ruffled if that becomes again. Now if they start throwing C. J. 601 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,920 Stroud in there, and now they're they're starting to mix and and you 602 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,280 know, too much confusion, it's gonna end up happening. We've already got 603 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,280 products like that. You've already I mean, you've already got stuff if you 604 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,280 want to put them in there, You've got getting there, You've got you 605 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,239 know, all these other things that you put out. Use it right, 606 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,320 like use your establisheduff instead of trying to push it in products that don't need 607 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,199 it to sell it, like Tops Dynasty did not need that card. Top 608 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,280 Dynasty would have sold out in a heartbeat without that card in it, well 609 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,239 a heartbeat. And so that's where it's just like, but if you're gonna 610 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,400 do it, at least put it in something that a the average collector has 611 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,599 a chance of getting, because the average collector does not have a chance in 612 00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:13,920 hell of getting into Dynasty. I mean, this shit is ridiculously expensive. 613 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,119 But you know, I don't know, wrong move in my opinion, But 614 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:22,320 we'll see. Obviously there's a plan in works going back to that comment, 615 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,000 and I do think they are trying to prep people for what they've got coming. 616 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:30,440 They have started to put out their rookie card logos and things like that, 617 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,480 which I pray they're just testing, but you know, they they're doing 618 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,599 a lot of work. So we'll see. We'll see what happens on it 619 00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,199 all. Wemby crammed into a race car, all right, Yeah, hey, 620 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,000 let's put them in everything everything. I would actually like to see. 621 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,920 That'd be interesting. Oh man, classic, I think they've just got WWE. 622 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:55,639 You could put like Wemby versus Andrea's Giant or something like that, see 623 00:45:55,639 --> 00:46:04,440 who measures up. But uh, I don't know, interesting so to speak. 624 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,119 But we'll see what happens. We'll see what this Wenby card goes for, 625 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:13,840 and we'll see how everything everything shakes out. Yep. So guys, 626 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,880 we're got a little more time before we wrap up one thing that is going 627 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,159 on right now. I don't know how much you guys are paying attention to 628 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,519 it. I figure we touch on it because it's interesting to me. And 629 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:29,119 we got obviously March Madness is going on where we have Baseball Opening Day we 630 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,559 talked about, but I've also got March Madness, which used to be kind 631 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:37,400 of this massive showcase for who are we collecting next year? Who's you know, 632 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,920 like this is when the standout guys I mean go back to Carmelo. 633 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,440 I mean, Carmelo made him himself one of the most collected and chased people 634 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,920 in the hobby by his tournament rhyme, you know, and there's been a 635 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,679 lot of people that have done that before. Does it still feel like that 636 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,440 in the NBA? Because to me, I'm watching tournament and it's a blast. 637 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,679 I think the women's tournament's better because there's a lot more competition and a 638 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,440 lot more spread out evenly matched teams. But is it still does it still 639 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,840 give you that excitement of March madness? Where I mean in terms of the 640 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,400 hobby, because to me, I mean, show me the guys that are 641 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,840 standing out to you that are going to be massive chases next year. I 642 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,320 just I don't see it, and I haven't seen it for a couple of 643 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,679 years. Who the chase has been all overseas players that didn't even play in 644 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,719 college. So what do you guys think about march madness? And you know 645 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:39,760 it's effect on hobby Now, I agree with you. I don't think it 646 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:46,280 has much of an effect anymore. Has died down tremendously, and you would 647 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,280 think that it would it will ramp up with the age of social media and 648 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,440 the age of you would think it'll be more ramped. But people are just 649 00:47:54,519 --> 00:48:01,559 not really interested and invested in the men's players as much as they used to 650 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:06,880 be. I don't I don't know. I think it might be a generational 651 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,480 thing too, Like with this younger generation is not attached to an athlete versus 652 00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,280 when we were coming up, we were pretty much attached to athletes in terms 653 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,559 of what we wore. We wore athletes closed and shoes, and we saw 654 00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:24,360 them on every commercial And like today it is, the attachment for the is 655 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,719 not the same. So I think that's what the biggest thing is. And 656 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,480 then it leads to you watching the games. On the men's side, in 657 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,079 particular, you might watch it to enjoy some basketball, but you don't really 658 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,840 know who was who, and you don't know much about him, and a 659 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,880 lot of times people don't really even care to even try to learn to a 660 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,000 certain degree. No offense to the players. But but yeah, so that's 661 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,639 a no. On the women's side, things are ramped up. So yeah, 662 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,639 I agree, it's and I agree in the comments here with Stukes one 663 00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,360 and Done's definitely you know, has hurt the NBA a lot or hurt colle 664 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,719 a lot, But it's also just I mean, and you would think it 665 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,199 would ramp up more because now you've got Bowman you they're trying, you know, 666 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,079 you've got a whole Now we've got the nil deals. So you're getting 667 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,960 these cards, these players, cards of these players years in advance. In 668 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,639 some cases, especially in football, you're kind of have them for three years 669 00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,960 in some cases before they even go pro. Obviously not some of the ones 670 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,199 that started off when they were already in but eventually you're gonna have players that 671 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:35,119 are gonna have three years worth of Bowman U cards before they hit the NFL. 672 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,039 And the same and but with basketball, you've kind of got one year 673 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,760 for the most part. Some guys too. But like I said, who's 674 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,960 been the most impactful people in the last couple of drafts, People that didn't 675 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,039 go to college, Like they were either players fore and from overseas or they 676 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:57,679 were players that like the the Thompson rookies that came from Overtime Elite or any 677 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,000 of these kind of new NBA, you know, programs, And so it's 678 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:05,360 just it's weird to me because March madness, like you said, I mean, 679 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,800 it used to be a huge thing. I remember when it was basketball 680 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,039 season. You couldn't walk into a gas station without seeing Grant Hill on sprite 681 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,199 and or a crunch stand up, crunch bars stand up. You know, 682 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,440 they had basketball players on candy bars. Like it was everywhere, everywhere you 683 00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,719 went was March madness, this, March madness that, and you know a 684 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,760 lot of attention was put on these guys, and I just it's not there 685 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,400 anymore. Just I just don't see it there anymore. And I think it's 686 00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:37,079 you know, it's sad for college basketball. But I do like seeing what's 687 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,000 happening with the women's game, the women's games improving, Like I have thoroughly 688 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:45,960 enjoyed the women's NCAA tournament. It has been incredibly competitive, but the March 689 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:50,719 Madness just doesn't have the same feel, at least for the hobby that it 690 00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:54,199 once did. I remember in the nineties two thousand, stuff like that, 691 00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,800 March Madness was really important for the upcoming collecting. But there's no real big 692 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,760 superstars that come and stand out anymore. Well, I think I think it's 693 00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,000 you know, we got and we got to because this is the danger of 694 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:16,000 prospecting and the and the danger of hype, right because we expect standout players 695 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,599 to be coming in every single year, and that definitely is not the case 696 00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:25,320 in the hobby. There have been some rookie year classes that have been very, 697 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,559 very weak, and that might that might be what we're seeing right now. 698 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,760 And but I mean we can also look at upcoming players. When we 699 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,559 look at Anthony Edwards and the and his his season, I think he is 700 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:45,239 an up and comer who is going to be a major All Star. SGA 701 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,400 also say Gilgess Alexander is another guy who was really coming out of his shell. 702 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,840 And they're actually they're growing in their game, they're developing, right, 703 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:58,559 they weren't all that in the beginning when they first came out, But today 704 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,599 you can tell that the guys are going to the next leg. Put up 705 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:07,400 sixty one last night another example. Yes, But I mean every year isn't 706 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,079 going to be a spectacular year, so you're going to have weak rookie year 707 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,320 classes. As far as on the women's side of things, I've always been 708 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,320 a big fan of of, you know, women's basketball. I actually remember 709 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,599 back in nineteen ninety seven with the when the w NBA first started. I 710 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:27,920 was a car dealer back then, and I invested a lot of money into 711 00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,320 women's basketball and it did very I did very well with that, and I 712 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,480 pulled out a few cards. Here's my Cheryl Swoops. Oh, very nice 713 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,519 card. I remember those. Yeah, Rebecca Lobo right, and here's Cheryl 714 00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,199 Swoops right. Great female athletes that really, to me are pioneers of the 715 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,159 game because I was following it so closely back then, but they really were 716 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,519 standout players in their era. But I think as the w NBA started and 717 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,679 was, you know, year after year coing into the two thousands, I 718 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,440 just think the game's got a little boring. And I think that's that's where 719 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,639 it starts. To hurt the hobby, because what we're looking for is excitement, 720 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,239 right, We're looking for But when the games start becoming boring, a 721 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,239 lot of turnovers, a lot of layups, it just we lose interest. 722 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:25,880 Now Caitlyn Clark comes around and she starts throwing threes from the from them from 723 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,199 the NBA. You know, it's just breaking records, demolishing records. And 724 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:37,159 we're seeing this exciting player, and it's causing other players from other teams to 725 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,880 kind of come up and kind of like compete against her. And now we're 726 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,880 seeing this competition and we're actually seeing some really awesome play. And that's what 727 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:52,079 we're seeing is the excitement generated with all of it. And so I don't 728 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,199 know, to me, that's the longest short of it. It's just a 729 00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:00,920 matter of we're gonna have weaker classes than others, and it all comes down 730 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,119 to exciting play. Are we gonna Are we seeing the highlight reels of exciting 731 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:14,159 players? Yeah? No, I completely agree. It's NBA has become. 732 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,440 I mean, you watch it with the Lakers, I mean and Lebron for 733 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,159 example. Let's just take them. They look like an average team ninety nine 734 00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:27,440 percent of the time and then what happens in season tournament where there's some extra 735 00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,519 money on the line. Oh, they look amazing, like a great team 736 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:36,039 because they're trying. Half these guys aren't trying until February, I mean maybe 737 00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,599 and sometimes even later. That's why what I mean, because playoff basketball is 738 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:45,760 still extraordinary, at least in my eyes. I think playoff basketball and the 739 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,360 NBA is still great, even though the rules and everything are a little different 740 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,840 and not exactly what I love, But playoff basketball can still be incredibly you 741 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,440 know, entertaining in my eyes. But uh yeah, it's just it's not 742 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,599 the same. They're not They're not the NBA game. You can obviously see 743 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:08,639 half the players not trying, half the players don't care. Then you do 744 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:14,239 have those guys that are grinding every night. But so I think that the 745 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,039 league is trying. I think they did that tournament in the beginning of the 746 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,679 season. Yeah, I thought that brought some exciting game. I watched a 747 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,440 few love the games. Yeah, I actually thought the n season tournament was 748 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:27,800 a good I didn't think it was a good idea. It made no sense 749 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,119 to me when I heard it. It just I didn't understand it. But 750 00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:34,800 hey, if it makes teams try for an extra couple of weeks, and 751 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,719 I get some interesting I mean, is it is it a coaching issue? 752 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,519 I mean, are we having like a coaching issue. I don't know, 753 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,599 I don't know. I think it's just I think it's one of these things 754 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:47,239 where people these teams just think they can coast into the playoffs. I mean, 755 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,760 some teams grind all year long. You got teams like the timber Wolves, 756 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,639 Anthony Edwards driving them right now. You got teams like the thunder Who 757 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,440 and Shay and all them. They're trying to really make a name for themselves, 758 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,280 the Nicks, a lot of different teams that are really trying to push 759 00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:07,119 hard all year loan to secure those spots. But I think the upper level 760 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:12,360 teams just look at it as we're gonna win enough if we try halfway. 761 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,599 Because there is a massive difference between who makes the playoffs and who doesn't, 762 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,199 you know, And so I think I just think that half of them don't 763 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,639 until they and I think an effort problem personally, Okay, I think it's 764 00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:29,719 just effort on. You know the part of this generation. I don't. 765 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,320 I don't think they care until it's time. Don't matter and I heard Michael 766 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,800 Jordan talk on this not too long ago. But it's one of them things 767 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,840 when you give a young player like that, and you give him three hundred 768 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,320 million dollars in his first couple of years, what else does he have to 769 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,599 swipe? Why does he have to try? Yes, three hundred million dollars 770 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:58,559 exactly. You give him the world too soon, and that's what happens. 771 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,880 Well, especially when you know it's role players. I mean a role player 772 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,760 in the NBA. Now you're making forty five to fifty million. You know 773 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,679 your contracts three four years, fifty sixty million dollars. It's absurd. Yeah, 774 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,880 so it could be part of the problem. Yeah, no, I 775 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,760 completely agree. All right, y'all, Well, it is uh twelve o'clock 776 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,480 here, so I guess we'll start to Yeah, I know flew by today, 777 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,679 but I guess we'll start wrapping up the show today before we go. 778 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,760 Victor and Erica, you guys got anything, I know, all of us 779 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,360 right for Hobby News Daily, Any new articles or anything up you guys would 780 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,239 like to plug. I would just like to say the women's games are on 781 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,440 today, yeah, eighty at one and three, and then I think the 782 00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:45,079 last two are ESB and following, so definitely tune in. All four games 783 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:51,519 will be very good, very good. Enjoy they are. Yeah, I 784 00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:58,039 got, I got the article I just released for Hobby News Daily yesterday. 785 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,719 It is basically about show Heo Tani and some of the issues that I see 786 00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:09,400 with athletes having their lives under such a microscope with social media. The title 787 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,119 of the article is say it ain't show and just some reflective thoughts. It's 788 00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:21,920 typically what I like to do and with current hobby happenings and Soho Tani is 789 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,599 the topic for this month's article, so you can check that out. Nice 790 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,440 all right, guys, Well that is gonna wrap up episode two hundred and 791 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,480 ninety five. I've also got an article up on Hobby News Daily Iconic Inserts 792 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,119 where we look back at Pinnacle Masks Hockey, one of my favorite inserts, 793 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,960 so make sure to go check that out. And of course we are alive 794 00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:45,639 every single Saturday at eleven am on bench Clear Media, so make sure you 795 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:51,719 tune in next week for an all new cast and characters and some big hobby 796 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,840 news. But you I hope everyone has a great weekend. Happy Easter to 797 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,880 everyone, and we'll see you guys. Next week I'll have a good day. Eight