1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:45,640 Um come he God, don't get so freely, Matt southing. Welcome everybody 2 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:51,240 as we enter our number three New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton unleashed and we 3 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,479 are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM, 4 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:03,759 inglorious but a little Chili, Manchester, New h Sure, so welcome 5 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:04,920 everybody. Of course, we are coming to you from our new studios. 6 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,799 We are live on this January twentieth, twenty twenty four, coming to you 7 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:14,040 from our new studios at on Canal Street here and uh, it's uh, 8 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,920 it's nice to be in a place. It's it's very clean, it's new. 9 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,239 It's uh. I like it. It's very bright. I like it. 10 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:23,519 PAULI c uh had a little bit of an issue with the brightness. 11 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,680 I like the but I like the brightness a lot. That's the thing. 12 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,439 It's kind of a running joke on Retrospectrum Radio because Paul, you know, 13 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,079 Paul likes likes to dim the lights, you know the move. But I 14 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,359 like it bright. I like a lot of bright light keeps the neurons firing 15 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,400 in the brain, you know what I mean for me to well, there's 16 00:01:42,439 --> 00:01:47,560 that too. Yes, it's nice to be able to see things. Let 17 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:51,840 me play. The brightness of the room is to help. So if you 18 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:55,400 are listening live, the studio line is open six oh three two five six 19 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:59,000 oh seven six o three two five six seven. If you'd like to give 20 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:00,359 us a call. We still the same number. I thought we had a 21 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:04,920 new number. I know. I heard we're getting a new studio line at 22 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,120 some point, but right now we still have the checking. I don't know 23 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,439 why it would change, but I heard I think Peter had said something about 24 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:15,759 it might change, but uh nope, six three two five six seven. 25 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:21,400 You can also text us at six one seven nine one seven four four seven 26 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,639 six. I'm on social media at Matt Connorton. You can email me Matt 27 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,000 at Matt connorton dot com. We don't have the Facebook live chat going. 28 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,319 We're not on Facebook because keep having issues with that. But I think it's 29 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,639 just Facebook being Facebook. It's being glad for everybody. But Petere, well 30 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,840 that's the thing. So Peters the Magic Paul wasn't able to get into Facebook 31 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:46,000 last night, and then this morning Peter was here to let us in and 32 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,199 do a few things, and he had no problem. But then I have 33 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,360 the same issue, Paul did, so we're not we're not on Facebook at 34 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,639 the moment, but but you can stream it, you know, go to 35 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,280 wmn Hradio dot org and click listen live. Or you can always go to 36 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,879 my website Matt Connorton. That will also get you there, so you can 37 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,120 stream the audio from anywhere, because you know, we have a not only 38 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,400 do we have a great local audience here in Manchester on ninety five point three 39 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:12,319 FM, but we have a lot of people who listen online from uh, 40 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,080 around the country and across the globe, or across the country and around the 41 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,759 globe, I guess would be more accurate unless you're I guess if you're a 42 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,800 flat earther you would say across well, you wouldn't say across the globe, 43 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:32,400 you would say what across the across the planet? The what? Uh No, 44 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,960 I don't think so, mem that's getting very specific. But anyway, 45 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:46,319 but you can you can listen many different ways. And thank you by the 46 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,560 way, we had to Chloe and Nick and Derek Smith of course, who 47 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:57,439 I think is going to be rejoining us shortly, uh, but yes, 48 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,800 from the Mosaic Art Mosaic Art Collective and come down and say hello. Jenny 49 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,759 and I will be there tonight for the show. It is on It's right 50 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:13,960 above the Palace Theater, our Palace on Hanover Street. Yeah, check check 51 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,920 out Mosaic Art Collective online. Great show tonight, Abner the Second and Regals 52 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,240 will be performing live and Jenny and I will be there. Come down and 53 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,240 say hello. It's a great place, so we'd love to see you there 54 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:30,639 for the show tonight. See six Hanover Streets there you go to one doors 55 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,399 were opening at seven pm and they were our first in studio guests on the 56 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,279 in the new studio here in the new location. Typically, you know, 57 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:45,319 we do since we've gone to Saturdays and doing these three hour shows, we 58 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,519 usually have very busy shows, very stacked with you know, different guests in 59 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,759 each hour and whatnot. But because it's our first show in our new environs, 60 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,680 we decided we'll just you know, we'll just have limited guests just to 61 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,399 kind of make sure that everything goes smoothly here now that we're in the new 62 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:05,600 place. But we have a lot of exciting musical guests coming up in the 63 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,279 in the weeks approaching, and it's going to be really good. So so 64 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:14,439 I'm digging it. I like the new place. Like I said, it's 65 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:16,759 nice. You know, everything's clean and new, so it's pretty cool, 66 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:20,240 pretty cool. I like it a lot, I really do. And it's 67 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,120 it's I don't know, it's special. You're not like hidden in a building 68 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,959 somewhere. You are the building. The thing is too And I can't remember 69 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,959 if I said this. I've said it off air, I've made this observation. 70 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:34,399 I don't remember if I said it on air on Paul's show. But 71 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,959 this is kind of like one of those magic buildings. And what I mean 72 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,839 by that is you look at it from the outside and it looks kind of 73 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:46,439 small, and then you get inside the building and it's like big, you 74 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,240 know, like there's so much more space in this building than I thought there 75 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:55,879 was. It just looks small from the outside. I remember when I first 76 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:59,759 found out we were going to be moving here, and I was like that 77 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:01,480 that tiny little building, we're going to be moving there. But then you 78 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:05,639 get inside here and it's like, uh, seriously, it's it's actually quite 79 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:11,360 large. It is this way bigger on the inside. Like this is actually 80 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,839 one of those situations where it's true. Yeah, yeah, because it does. 81 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,360 It looks super small from the outside. I know that. We were 82 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:19,120 like, oh my god, it's gonna be a closet. Yeah yeah, 83 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,319 but it's not. It's a great space. Yeah absolutely. And it has 84 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,959 a fan on the ceiling and I love that. Can I just say I 85 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,560 love that We'll be able to circulate the air in here in the summer. 86 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:33,000 True. Oh my, that's wonderful. Yeah yeah, yeah, that is 87 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:40,040 opening the third story windows in the hall in the in the it's like a 88 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:44,000 tunnel of air that goes down Elm Street Street tunnels such a wind tunnel. 89 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,639 Yeah right, And if it's not flowing your way, forget it. There's 90 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,759 no air coming in those windows, right, So yeah, I'll take this. 91 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,680 That is true. That is true. But yeah, six oh three, 92 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,959 two five, six seven, If you would like to join us, 93 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,680 we were talking, so I just found something online because we were talking in 94 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,480 the first hour. If you missed the first hour, of course, the 95 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,199 show will be up on the website by one pm at the very latest, 96 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:10,639 and on the podcasting platforms and so forth, the same as always. But 97 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,920 we were talking in the first hour about well, we kind of took a 98 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:17,519 little bit of a side street. We were talking about Madonna and you know 99 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:23,399 she's being sued by a couple of fans because she apparently she exhibits the same 100 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:28,079 behavior that Axel Rose when he was younger and immature, used to exhibit, 101 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,040 you know, going on very late, making making the fans wait. And 102 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,079 so Madonna did a show in New York City and uh started two hours late, 103 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:42,519 and a couple of fans actually are suing her something. So we're talking 104 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:46,879 about that, and I had UH again. We took a little bit of 105 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,120 a side street. I was talking about how you know, before you buy 106 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,920 tickets to any kind of a big show, a major touring act or or 107 00:07:55,279 --> 00:08:00,480 or a mid level uh touring act, you know, anybody, really you 108 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:07,439 should do just take a couple of minutes. It'll that's all it'll take. 109 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,439 You just do some light research online so you know what you're getting into, 110 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:18,879 because apparently, so in the Madonna example, for example, she apparently has 111 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,680 a bit of a history of doing this, of going on stage late and 112 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,279 so forth. But the other thing that I talked about, and this is 113 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,720 where the side street comes in, is I was talking about how, you 114 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,759 know, a lot of bands tour and they have very few original members, 115 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:35,919 or in some cases they have no original members, and I was talking about 116 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:43,200 Foreigner how the guy who was the original guitar player now effectively manages the band 117 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,159 and still tours with them as a like a tour manager, but doesn't actually 118 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,799 perform on stage. So if you are someone who is concerned about that type 119 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:54,879 of thing, because sometimes you'll see people online talking about how, oh, 120 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,519 I went to see such and such band, and I didn't recognize any of 121 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,360 the people on stage, and then I no original members, or there's one 122 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:05,159 original member or two original members, but the key members aren't even in the 123 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:15,039 band. And so that's more common than people think. And the average consumer, 124 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:22,320 the average concert goer who maybe isn't that invested necessarily. They just want 125 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,360 to go to a live show, but it's not the most important thing to 126 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,720 them, just a casual night out. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're 127 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,159 willing to spend that money by that ticket and don't really care who's in the 128 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,399 band. And I think that the concert industry, to a large extent, 129 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:43,120 depends on those consumers who aren't necessarily informed and don't particularly care to be because 130 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,480 it's not that important to them. But if you are someone who's going to 131 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,559 be concerned about that like I said, just to a couple of minutes of 132 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,039 light research, see who's actually in the band, because if you're going to 133 00:09:52,080 --> 00:10:01,159 feel somehow cheated because you get there and you don't recognize it anybody who's on 134 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:05,720 stage, you might feel, you know, well, you could have avoided 135 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,960 that. You might feel like, Wow, I spent these tickets and I 136 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,159 don't even know any of the people on stage. This isn't the band. 137 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,759 Because you'll often hear people who complain about that kind of thing. They'll say, 138 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,000 oh, this is just a glorified cover band. It's not even the 139 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,120 real band anymore. So do some light research again, take you two or 140 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,799 three minutes if you care, before you buy those tickets, so you know 141 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,679 exactly what you're getting. So that was a subject in the first hour of 142 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:37,559 the show, in the nine o'clock hour, and then I happen to find 143 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,720 an article. I figured this would be an interesting thing to circle back to 144 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,960 and Derek, you're welcome to participate if you want to. I mean, 145 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:52,360 you don't have to, it's up to you, but you're welcome to our 146 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,799 friend Derek Smith. He's back with us in the studio. No pressure, 147 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:03,960 but if you have any input all right. But I found this article on 148 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:11,960 Ultimate Classic rock dot com bands with no original members, So, and there's 149 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,840 more of them than you might think. So these are these are you know, 150 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:22,039 classic rock artists primarily who are touring, who tour with no original members 151 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,080 in the band at all. And this is more common than you might think. 152 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:28,759 So uh, here's what the article says. As you'll see in the 153 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:35,759 following list of bands with no original members. Not everybody can be you two, 154 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,120 you know, because you two has had You two all their decades of 155 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,559 existence. They've never had a lineup change. It's always been the same four 156 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:50,879 guys. That study group never reshuffled bandmates. Oh, that sturdy group. 157 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,519 Rather, I did think the phrasing was odd. Study group. No, 158 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:58,559 that sturdy group never reshuffled bandmates. But but and by the way, off 159 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,840 the top of my head, I cannot think of an other band that has 160 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:05,559 been around as long as you two have that has never had a lineup change. 161 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,639 Never, not even for a single album. They've had lineup changes. 162 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Really, Oh, that's not the original lineup I thought it was. I 163 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,399 really did. Yeah, yeah, no, Ron Wood, he hasn't always 164 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:24,039 been in the band. Yeah, it's upt Derek All right, Oh, 165 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:30,120 it looked like you were trying to tell me something that that you love. 166 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:33,440 Yeah, we gotta yeah, pull that micup and I'll bring your mic up 167 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,159 here. There, there you go. I was just gonna say, you 168 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:43,440 know, aside from Charlie Watts, of course, who they lost, I 169 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:50,399 thought that they carried on the members Ron Woods after Ron Wood's not an original 170 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,200 member, yeah, but he's still with him now at least. Yeah. 171 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,120 Right, yeah, I mean, you know, the the lineup. I 172 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,240 mean he's been uh, he's been there for so long. But yeah, 173 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:09,559 and of course Bill Wyman left and jeez, like fifteen years ago Bill Wyman 174 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,320 left, I forget his name now who plays bass for them now? But 175 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,799 yeah, I can't think of it. So I can't think of an example 176 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,799 other than you two of a band that has never changed members, it says 177 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,600 here. For some changes have been the norm rather than the exception. Blood 178 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Sweat and Tears and Renaissance, for example, seem to be breaking up as 179 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,440 soon as they formed. The Little River Band have been in flux over ever 180 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:43,960 since the end of their hit making Heyday back in the early eighties. For 181 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,799 others, the personnel shifts have been drastic. No one in Blackfoot, which 182 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:56,039 was co founded by Ricky Medlock in nineteen sixty nine, has a tenure dating 183 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,519 back further than a few years. Guitarist Scott Gorham hooked up with then Lizzie 184 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,799 just before they hit it big with the Boys are Back in Town, but 185 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,639 continues with a group where most of the members joined in twenty ten or later. 186 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,879 There are bands like Quiet, Riot, Gwar, and Rat, which 187 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:20,320 slowly whittled down to their final original member Kevin Dubrow, Dave Brocky and Stephen 188 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:30,519 Pearcy, respectively, before he left or passed on. Let's see skipping down 189 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:33,559 here. This is a little more in depth than I thought. Defections and 190 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,120 deaths have also altered career trajectories of groups like Heart, The Hollies and Yes, 191 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,480 but they had a wrinkle to things since the current lineups still most prominent 192 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:52,600 members from their best known eras, including Nancy and Anne Wilson of Heart, 193 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:58,919 Tony Hicks and the Hollies, and Steve Howe and Alan White of Yes Now. 194 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,639 Heart is an example though, of a band where as long as the 195 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,919 Wilson sisters are there, I think most people that's that's all they really care 196 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,039 about. With Heart, I don't think that if either of them were to 197 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:15,519 leave, I think that people would say, well, that's not really Heart 198 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,159 anymore. Part of why this is interesting to me too. And then we'll 199 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,879 get into the actual list of bands that have no original members. But you 200 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:28,960 know, Kiss is my favorite band. I'm a lifelong Kiss fan, and 201 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:31,720 and right, and with Kiss, it's it's always a discussion among Kiss fans. 202 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,120 It's always, you know, these arguments about well is it really Kiss 203 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,399 without the original lineup. They are still to this day people who say, 204 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:43,639 well, without Paul Gene, uh, Paul Gene Asen Peter, it's not 205 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:48,840 really Kiss, you know. And and you know what that bends doing now 206 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,000 that they had their quote unquote final tour the avatars. Yeah, yeah, 207 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,200 we talked about AI. Yeah, they're doing like the digital version hologram. 208 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But when I became a Kiss fan in 209 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,639 the eighties, Kiss was not the original lineup at that point, so it 210 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,600 didn't matter to me. To me, it's like, and I think a 211 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,120 lot of Kiss fans feel this way. You know, as long as Paul 212 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,559 Stanley and Gene Simmons are there, it's Kiss. But if one of them 213 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:21,519 were not there, it wouldn't be Kiss, So that's always an argument among 214 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,519 Kiss fans, but is so here's the list of bands that are currently active 215 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:32,960 but have no original members at all. This is from Ultimate Classic Rock dot 216 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,360 com, and there's some explanations that go with this. So the first one 217 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:41,039 listed here is Yes. It says Yes. We're founded in nineteen sixty eight 218 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,679 by John Anderson, Peter Banks, Bill Bruford, Tony Kay, and Chris 219 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:49,360 Squire, the latter of whom was their longest tenured member since his death in 220 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:56,879 twenty fifteen. Banks was gone after just two embryonic albums, followed by Kay 221 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,519 and then Bruford in the early seventies. K eventually We're during Yes his eighties 222 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,640 pop renaissance. Anderson remained off and on through two thousand and four. Yeah, 223 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,640 and of course during the eighties, you know, Owner of a Lonely 224 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,200 Heart was just a massive hit, a song that I never liked. But 225 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,319 I think part of why I never liked it was because I had to hear 226 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:22,279 it constantly and couldn't turn on MTV without seeing the video. But today, 227 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,759 Yeah, for Yes, it says Steve Howe and then Alan White joined Yes 228 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,880 as the band was reaching a creative peak in seventy one to seventy two. 229 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,160 Creative, not a commercial peak, but a creative one. I personally, 230 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,880 I don't like any of any early Yes, if you're any early, like 231 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:42,960 anything early yeah or for yes? No, the early stuff was very prague, 232 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:47,079 you know. It wasn't like Yeah, it's not like the eighties stuff 233 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:52,480 where it's very melodic. The early stuff is like I'm most familiar with the 234 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:57,839 Fragile album and the Close to the Edge, yeah for them, but I 235 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,240 didn't all on see prefer Chris Squire's solo album Fish out of Water, I've 236 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,200 never heard it. Is it good? Yeah, it's very good. It's 237 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,079 only five songs, but oh there's it's because there's a couple that are pretty 238 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:18,920 long. But really yeah, as prague is, but it's it's a flawless 239 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,359 five songs. When did that come out? Mid seventies? Oh okay, 240 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:26,720 oh okay. So he was obviously still in the band, as we said 241 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,200 till the end. But but so you probably like the So do you like 242 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,079 early Yes, you like the prog stuff. I like some of Fragile and 243 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,920 Close to the Edge. Is I think that that title track is all one 244 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,640 side of the vinyl. Oh that long of a song. Oh, there's 245 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,160 a lot to it. But so you probably don't care for the eighties stuff 246 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,200 then, right, No, Like, yeah, I didn't think so. 247 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:55,039 Yeah, Like Owner of a Lonely Heart was like the huge hit, leave 248 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,119 It, I think is a cool song. But I but I was never 249 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,319 I was never a big fan of any air. Yes, really not a 250 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:03,680 big fan. You know, could kind of take him or leave them. 251 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:11,759 They had that one other poppy single to what was it called. Oh, 252 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,000 they had a bunch of hits. Owner of a Lonely Heart was the big 253 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:19,640 one, but leave It was kind of a hit, and jeez, I 254 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:26,119 can't even remember what else now, but yeah, they were massively successful for 255 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,160 a while. The next one on the list is Heart. It says Roger 256 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:37,319 Fisher and Steve Fosson led several early incarnations of Heart with names like The Army 257 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:45,480 and White Heart, beginning as early as nineteen sixty seven, long before the 258 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:48,759 first Wilson's sister joined in the early seventies, I'll be damned. They were 259 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,519 then briefly known as hocus Pocus before things started coming together for the group in 260 00:19:53,559 --> 00:20:00,880 the new decade. Now, Nancy and Ann Wilson have led Heart to multi 261 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:08,359 platinum success in the seventies before co founders Roger Fisher and then Steve Fasson departed. 262 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:14,519 Contributors like Danny Carmassy and Gilby Clark have since moved through the lineup, 263 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:18,680 among others. Nancy Wilson announced her own version of Heart in twenty twenty two. 264 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,039 Like I said, though, I think generally the perception is that as 265 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,200 long as the Wilson sisters are there, it's Heart. I don't think most 266 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,480 people, even I mean diehard fans would know the other members, but casual 267 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,480 fans would have no idea, no idea. The song I was thinking of, 268 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,680 of yes is also on the Fragile album It's Roundabout, Oh, Roundabout 269 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:42,960 Yeah, that one I don't care for either. It's like their pops song 270 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:47,240 from the album Yeah. Well yeah, it's interesting. I kind of like 271 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:52,839 that one. But see that song. To me, though, what's kind 272 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,559 of both like it's I think it's it's kind of a pop song, obviously 273 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,599 because it was a big radio hit and you'll hear it on classic stations, 274 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,880 but it definitely has prog elements I think too, you know, I think 275 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,079 that you know, I'm just kind of playing it in my mind and it's 276 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:14,279 like, actually, I think it's impressive that a song could have those prog 277 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,319 elements but be successful. That's successful commercially, you know what I mean? 278 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,279 Right, Yeah, I'm playing it in my mind and it's like, yeah, 279 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:26,279 it's yeah, the the baseline, it's definitely it's a departure from the 280 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:30,119 rest of it though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no 281 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,920 doubt. Now this is an interesting one, Leonard SKINNERD. Part of what 282 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,480 makes this one interesting is the various lawsuits that happened over the years because, 283 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,559 of course the original Leonard SKINNERD. Half the band was, uh, maybe 284 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,799 more than half was killed in that plane crash, so it says here. 285 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:52,240 Leonard Skinner was originally founded by Ronnie van zandt Gary Rossington and Alan Collins, 286 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,559 with classic era lineups that also included Ed King, Artemis Pyle, Ricky Medlock, 287 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,519 Billy Powell, Leon Wilkison, and Steve Gaines, among others. Van 288 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,039 Zant and Gaines were killed in a nineteen seventy seven plane crash that also left 289 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:15,440 Wilkinson in critical condition, and Leonard Skinnard disbanded. Leonard SKINNERD reconvened ten years 290 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:19,559 later, after the crash with Rossington, King, Wilkeson, Pile, and 291 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:26,319 Powell were joined by a new frontman, Johnny van zant Ronnie's younger brother, 292 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:33,240 who I would argue technically was actually a better singer than the older and dead 293 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,559 van Zandt, which is heresy among Leonard Skinner fans. But I actually think, 294 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,279 actually, I think Johnny's a better singer. Collins was unable to take 295 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,279 part after a car accident. Pile soon exited. He got in all kinds 296 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:51,240 of legal trouble, and then King left, Medlock returned, but then Wilkeson 297 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,440 died in two thousand and one, followed by Powell in two thousand and nine, 298 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,680 and Rossington, the last surviving co founder, in twenty twenty three. 299 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,880 Yeah, I remember there were a lot, Like twenty years ago, there 300 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,440 were lawsuits because Gary Rossington kept the band going and he had effectively taken full 301 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:14,440 control of the band, and other former members' families were suing him and trying 302 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,599 to keep him from using the name, but not successfully. But then Rossington 303 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:26,480 died. So let's see Little River Band. I don't know if I care 304 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:30,319 about this one. Anybody care about Little River Band? No? I like 305 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,640 a couple of their songs, but I don't know if I want to really 306 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,359 say, I can't even think of one. I gotta be honest. They 307 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,440 had, they had a bunch of hits. Oh Lonesome Loser is a good 308 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,400 song. No, not clicking? What other song? I feel like? 309 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,440 There's another little River band song I like. I can't remember what it was, 310 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,880 though, so I must not like it that much. Blood, sweat 311 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,160 and Tears. I don't really care about that one either. Okay, then 312 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,880 Lizzie, because everybody knows the boys are back in town. Childhood friend Brian 313 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,599 Downey and Phil Lynnett Lennott. I'm never sure if I'm saying that correctly formed 314 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Thin Lizzie in nineteen sixty nine with two former members of Van Morrison's band Them. 315 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,880 Guitarist Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham joined just before the group's nineteen seventy three 316 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,640 commercial breakthrough. Robertson was eventually replaced by Gary Moore. Lynnett also worked with 317 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:29,000 members of The Sex Pistols before then. Lizzie initially split in eighty three. 318 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,519 He died three years later. Scott Gorum began leading Thin Lizzie again in ninety 319 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:41,279 six. Together with co founder Brian Downey and early eighties era member Darren Wharton. 320 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,920 Yeah, I don't care about the rest of this. I guess I 321 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,680 don't care about them Lizzy that much. I'm bored. I got bored. 322 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,920 I got bored with thin Lizzie Barry. I like jail Break, Oh jail 323 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,119 Break. Yeah, that's a cool song. Boys Are Back in Town is 324 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,400 okay, But it's one of those songs that I've just heard it so many 325 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,039 times over the of my life. I'm sick of it. Like, if 326 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:04,160 you listen to a classic rock station for more than an hour, you're probably 327 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:10,759 gonna hear Ployser back in Town and it's uh yeah, it gets it gets 328 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,880 old. The Hollies, I don't care that much, Iron Butterfly, I 329 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,519 don't care that much. Rat Ah, Yes, Round and Round, got 330 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:26,519 about them. Yes. Stephen Pearcy began working with a series of precursor bands 331 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:32,920 in seventy three, one of which was called Mickey Rat. Robin Crosby joined 332 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,640 a few years after, and the name was shortened to Rat. That's with 333 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,759 two t's. Their early eighties hit hit making lineup was complete with the additions 334 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:48,200 of Warren D. Martini, Bobby Blotzer and Juan Crusier. By nineteen ninety, 335 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,920 they'd split with Crosby and RAT disbanded in ninety two. Pierc, d 336 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,599 Martini and Blotzer reunited as RAT five years later, before Crosby overdosed in two 337 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:02,599 thousand and two. The surviving four members got together again in seven but Piercy 338 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,640 left once more in twenty fourteen. I liked some hair metal anthems found and 339 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:14,279 round by them and their ballad of eighteen in life, No you're thinking of 340 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,599 skid row eighteen, RAT has a ballad called giving Yourself Away. Okay, 341 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,799 I think Actually, Peter White and I had a conversation. I think about 342 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,279 that song once, Giving Yourself Away. I think is such an underrated song. 343 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,880 It's not a song most people think of when they think of RAT, 344 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,039 and I think it might have been their last big radio single too, really 345 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,839 good song. So today, Bobby Blotzer, who joined about a decade after 346 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,519 Rat's founding announced in twenty sixteen, announced a twenty sixteen lineup that also included 347 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:49,559 nineties era edition Robbie Crane that sparked a public disagreement. Yeah, this is 348 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:55,200 one of those lawsuit situations that sparked a public disagreement with Warren D. Martini, 349 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,440 who didn't want the band to continue without Stephen Pearcy. Meanwhile, Lotser 350 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:07,880 filed legal papers against one Crucier, who also had his own Rat themed group 351 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:14,559 out on the road at one point. Piercy subsequently reunited with Crucier to launch 352 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:19,160 still another version of Rat with all new bandmates and Jenny. Remember I was 353 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,359 saying earlier, I was saying in the first hour about how sometimes there will 354 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,039 actually be two different versions of a band using the same name out on tour. 355 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:30,599 And that's why it's important if you care about who's in the band, 356 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,640 do some research before you buy those tickets so you know what you're getting or 357 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,079 literally what version of the band you might be getting. Never thought of it, 358 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,039 and you're right. There are times when there are two different concerts going 359 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:49,039 with the same music and different members. Oh yeah, yeah, that's sometimes. 360 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,880 Employ is a classic example of two different people's touring at the same time 361 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,400 playing the same music. Well yeah, but not under the but not under 362 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,119 the name Pink like Roger Waters. You know he would do solo tours and 363 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,720 still does I guess, you know, playing all that stuff. But but 364 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:15,920 as Roger Waters. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, and you know sometimes 365 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,880 too. The way what will end up happening is and I think this happened 366 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,680 with Rat. It doesn't get into further detail here in this article, but 367 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,440 I think at one point there was one of the versions of Rat. What 368 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,039 what one ends up happening is the compromise is. I think there was a 369 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:36,319 version of Rat that was technically called Rat featuring Steven Piercy. And that's how 370 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,759 they get around the confusion. Really, yeah, that's how they get around 371 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:44,000 illegally, you know, Rat featuring Steven Piercy, or you know, or 372 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,279 La Guns featuring uh I forget the name of the singer from Elly Guns, 373 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,640 but yeah, that's how they get around it. That's how they resolve it. 374 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,559 Canned Heat is on the list. I couldn't care less or about Renaissance. 375 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:07,039 Let's see Quiet Riot. Yeah. I saw these guys not too long 376 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,960 before Kevin Dubro died. I saw them at a I saw them in Laconia 377 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:19,279 co founding co founded by a pre Ozzy Osbourne Randy Rhodes in nineteen seventy three, 378 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,680 Quiet Riot rose to fame in the early eighties, when Kevin Dubro Carlos 379 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:32,279 Cavazo, Rudy Sarzo and Frankie binally hit it big with Metal Health. Kevin 380 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,519 Dubrou helmed a two thousand and four reunion before that's probably the tour I saw 381 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:45,720 them on before leadership fell to Frankie Binali, who arrived nearly ten years after 382 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:52,359 Quiet Riots started. Both have since passed, leaving behind a group that included 383 00:29:52,440 --> 00:30:02,599 longtime bassist Chuck Wright and new editions Alex Grossi and Jimmy Peede pe d Peede 384 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:10,240 no idea. Oh yeah, Rudy Sarzo later returned to replace right, So 385 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,920 yeah, no original members there. Let's see humble Pie. I don't really 386 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:22,400 care, Gore, I don't really care. So that's the list. But 387 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,640 what was the Laconia Venue? Was it the theater that's still there? Oh, 388 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,559 it's a place that I don't think it's even still open, although it 389 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:33,960 might have. It might have been the Flying Monkey. Is that still there? 390 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,160 That's still there? Right? I believe it is. It might have 391 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,279 been that. It might have been or New Market, but I remember, 392 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,279 and you know, and they did a meet and greet after the show and 393 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,480 super nice guys and uh, Kevin du Bros. Uh, and I know 394 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,000 he's passed. I don't say this to mock him. I mean it as 395 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:59,599 a sincere compliment. His hair extensions in person looked incredible. But Flying Monkey, 396 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,839 I just it's technically Plymouth. Oh that's Plymouth. Oh maybe that's where 397 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,400 Maybe that's where I may have moved. I don't No. I definitely saw 398 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,839 them in Laconia. Okay, so it wasn't the Flying Monkey. I'm not 399 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,440 sure now, I'm not sure. It was a long time ago. I 400 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,920 saw them with Dan Randall of Dan Randall and the Randletts. How do you 401 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,480 how do you feel about that Derek band's touring with Like, do you have 402 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,359 any you know some people just think it's wrong to do when a when a 403 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,599 band tourism they don't have any original members? What do you think? Do 404 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,480 you do you? Does it bother? You do care? Does it depend 405 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:41,480 on the band or I really it doesn't matter to me. If they want 406 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:47,000 the music to live on, I'd say go for it. Yah, But 407 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,680 the fans need to be there to back them obviously. Yeah, as de 408 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,039 lucrative for him, because I feel like a lot of the time too, 409 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,279 they're they're kind of depending on you know, people just not noticing, you 410 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,079 know, especially you know where it's really prevalent, as on these package tours 411 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,359 that you see where you see like you see eighties bands where it's like four 412 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,880 bands and they're all touring at the same time, you know, and they 413 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400 were all big. You know, like for a while there was a span 414 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:20,599 of time maybe ten twelve years ago where every summer it would be you know, 415 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,759 Poison and Winger and skid Row would all be on a package tour together. 416 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,720 And and you know, and of course you know some asking Boch hasn't 417 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,640 been in skid Row forever, you know, so you so you know you're 418 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,720 getting something that's not going to be exactly what you may have remembered, shall 419 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:45,559 we say. But yeah, so interesting stuff. But like I say, 420 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,759 you know, do the you know, do the quick research before you buy 421 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:52,839 those tickets, so you know what you're getting. I mean, if I 422 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,000 want to see a cover band, then I want to see a cover band, 423 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,400 right, I want to get music cover band. Yeah, just be 424 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:04,079 up front honest about it. Like, isn't there like Kiss has a sanctioned 425 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,759 band that they've always a mini Kiss? Right? Well, yeah, there's 426 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,640 there is a there is a band for for people who don't know. Yes, 427 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,759 there is a there is a band called Mini Kiss. They are little 428 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:21,599 people, and I guess that's the term we use. They are little people 429 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,200 and they do the tribute show. But they're they're they're they're allowed to like 430 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:30,480 Kisses. Well, here's okay with this so interesting, that's an interesting subject. 431 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:37,720 So Kiss has always been really good about because I know they have a 432 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,640 certain and Gene Simmons in particular might have a certain reputation, but that I 433 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,920 don't think is fair. They've always been really good about not going after cover 434 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:51,680 bands. Don't you want your music being well, that's well, that's the 435 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,480 thing. But some but some bands, some artists will go after cover bands 436 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,880 and say, hey, you know, either knock it off that you you 437 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,680 have no right you know, we don't give you permission to do that, 438 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,920 or or or will say, you know, you got to make sure you 439 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,679 give us a chunk. Kiss has always been really good about that. But 440 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,960 there's also a bit of an ulterior motive because during the eighties, the eighties 441 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360 into the early nineties, during the non makeup era of the band, because 442 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,960 remember they were out of the makeup for thirteen years. During that span of 443 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,760 time there was. Actually it was kind of helpful to them in the marketplace. 444 00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,280 This is something they'll never acknowledge, but it has been acknowledged by people 445 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,400 who work with them. It was kind of helpful to them to have bands 446 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:38,320 out there doing the you know, the show in full makeup, you know, 447 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,760 playing that music as cover bands, because it just you know, yeah, 448 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,239 it helps, right, So, even though Kiss was not in the 449 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,079 makeup, having the cover bands out there did kind of help them. And 450 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,480 then ironically, when Kiss reunited with the original lineup and put the makeup back 451 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:58,679 on in ninety six, it kind of made the cover bands irrelevant because well, 452 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,480 now we have what the cover bands were doing, We have that back, 453 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,960 so now we don't even need those those tribute bands. The other interesting 454 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,400 thing about Kiss, though, is with the tribute bands, there are different 455 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,559 types of Kiss, you know, like you've got the Kiss tribute bands that 456 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,360 just do the standard you know show and full makeup and whatnot. But then 457 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,000 you've got other You've got some that are very sort of niche. I used 458 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,840 to say niche, but I noticed the rest of the English speaking world now 459 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,599 pronounces it niche, so I've tried to adapt to that. So people don't 460 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,840 look at me funny. I'm gonna look at you funny. For example, 461 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,199 there's a Kiss tribute band called Reason to Kiss Really, and they're like this 462 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,400 acoustic duo that's kind of a neat name. They're like this acoustic duo or 463 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,199 maybe they're a trio I forget and they only do Kiss songs from the non 464 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,280 makeup eighties era. And Kiss had a song in the eighties, they had 465 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,679 a single called Reason to Live. So this acoustic group they call themselves Reason 466 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,760 to Kiss and they and they only do the only do songs from that era. 467 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,760 It's very very specialized, and there's but there's others. There's a bunch 468 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,960 of Kiss tribute acts who just they work in a very specific uh you know, 469 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,679 there's there's another one that only does like like the early nineties, non 470 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,000 makeup stuff like that specifically. It's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. 471 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:30,239 But coincidentally, last night I shared out on Facebook, you know, 472 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,719 I'm a big Black Sabbath fan, and that's a band that, you know, 473 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:42,360 during the eighties they went through constant lineup changes where Tony Iomi was the 474 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,440 only original member of Black. Tony Iomi is the only member of Black Sabbath, 475 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,880 who's been in every lineup. In fact, Eric Singer the drummer and 476 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,119 Kiss played in Black Sabbath for a couple of albums when I was more into 477 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,800 hard rock and metal still in high school. I got to see the original 478 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,800 line up as part of Ozfest one year. We might have been at the 479 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,000 same show at the well it was it was it was Tweeter Center and then 480 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,880 it became the Comcast Great Woods initially at that one too. Yeah, we 481 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,039 might have been that. That was like two thousand or two thousand and one. 482 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,559 I think it was the first thousand one. It was when when Black 483 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,280 Sabbath reunited. Yeah, and I in my Hope dress. I have the 484 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:30,440 little black confetti yes at Black Sabbath, Yeah on silver I have some of 485 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,800 that confetti that I kept from that. I remember that. Yeah, oh 486 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,840 god, we were all at the same concert. Yeah. And speaking of 487 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,480 Kiss, I never have gotten to see them, but I did help load 488 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:46,519 their here and stage stuff at what was initially Meadow Brooke and now the New 489 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:51,440 Hampshire Bank of Pavilion. Do you get to see him when they played there? 490 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,199 I was at that show. Yeah, So I did the day load 491 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,440 in for that but I left and came back to I was. I was 492 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,440 living in Manchester at the time. Yeah, yeah, yep, I was 493 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,440 at that show. That was cool because that stage is small for an arena 494 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:14,920 level sized venue, that's an unusually small stage and I was close to the 495 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,280 front. So seeing seeing them in full makeup, with the stage effects and 496 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,880 everything on such a small stage was actually kind of cool because I'd never seen 497 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,920 them on a stage that small, you know, And because it because it 498 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,719 was so small, they couldn't do the full because they had a bigger they 499 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,199 had a bigger stage set. They still had pyro, but they had that. 500 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,920 They had a huge like mechanical spider sort of okay, I didn't remember 501 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,119 seeing on that tour, but they couldn't use it at in that venue because 502 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,880 it's small. But yeah, that was pretty cool. I was getting to 503 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,480 getting to see them on a smaller stage like that. That was fun. 504 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,519 That was a That was a really good show. The very first concert was 505 00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:01,400 the cape Cod Melody tent of a small venue and the stage would go around. 506 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,039 Everybody sat all around it. It was Schuka Khan. No. That 507 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,679 was my first concert I went through one says a child with my folks see 508 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:15,920 Willie Nelson say. I grew up going to his shows and the dad would 509 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,159 get us backstage and whatnot. But I remember seeing the Melody tent of the 510 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,199 circular rotating Stageply we were talking about earlier about getting to see artists at the 511 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:30,760 Mosaic Art Collective. We've got that small venue that personal is hyenas. If 512 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000 I'm not mistaken, it's the cap called Melody. I think so, I 513 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,679 think so. Oh. But the thing I was going to say about Black 514 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:43,480 Sabbath is there's a lot of really good there's a lot of really good Black 515 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:47,000 Sabbath that doesn't have either Ozzie or Ronnie James Gio singing on it. Like 516 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,599 when Tony Martin was kind of he's kind of the third man. He did 517 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,639 six albums with them, and really good. But there was a span of 518 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,480 time where Tony Iomi, like I said, he was the only original member 519 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,360 in Black Sabbath, And but their output was their musical output remained, in 520 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,480 my opinion, very high level. And there's a great book. I can't 521 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:09,519 remember the name of the music journalist who wrote it. His name escapes me. 522 00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:14,519 But the book is called Never Say Die, and it chronicles the history 523 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:20,800 of Black Sabbath from it starts where Ozzy left, and it ends where Ozzie 524 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,280 returns, and it goes through. I mean, you've got to be a 525 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,719 real Black Sabbath fan to enjoy it, because it gets pretty granular, but 526 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,519 it goes through in great detail. It explains all the lineup changes because it 527 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:35,400 was a real revolving door. I mean, they went through a bunch of 528 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,760 singers, like they did an album with Ian Gillen from Deep Purple called Born 529 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,039 Again, but Ian Gillen only lasted one album. But it's a great album, 530 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,639 you know. Like I said, they did a bunch with Tony Martin, 531 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,800 they were Why do you think they went through so many? Do you 532 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,960 think it was personalities? It's weird because when I read that book, I 533 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,239 didn't get the impression from it that because the first thought someone might think is, 534 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,119 wow, Tony Iomi must be really difficult to work with, But from 535 00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,960 reading the book, it seemed to me like Tony Iomi's is actually pretty easy 536 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:15,000 to work with. It just seemed like there were constant circumstances around, just 537 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:21,000 external things that kept causing people to come and go, even Tony Martin, 538 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:25,679 who sang Tony Martin sang on more albums than either Ozzie or Black Sabbath at 539 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,000 that point, but even he wasn't there consecutively. He left and came back. 540 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,199 You know, Ronnie James Dio left and came back. He did two 541 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,880 albums. He's from Portsmouth. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, 542 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,679 the Dio is from the Portsmouth area. No idea. I never knew that. 543 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,000 I'll be damned, I like it. I had no idea. Oh 544 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,840 that's pretty cool. But but I recommend that book for anyone who's interested. 545 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,119 It's called Never Say Die, and it's and it really it's it's a good 546 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,679 read, and it just talks about all the different lineup chain and then it 547 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,440 ends with Ozzie's return. I was supposed to see them on It was ninety 548 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,280 five The Forbidden Forbidden was the name of the album, and they ended up 549 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,599 canceling the tour because it was it was you know, it was a couple 550 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,920 of years before Ozzie came back, and just you know, they were they 551 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,440 were kind of dead in the water commercially. It took Ozzie coming back to 552 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,199 really breathe new life into the band. But you know, and then saw 553 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,199 them on oz Fest so, but I feel like the change up in vocalists 554 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,360 may have been attributed to h Ozzie's drug use back then too and just being 555 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,000 wild. Well that's why, yeah, that's why he him. Yeah, 556 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:44,440 that's why they had to get rid of him. Yeah. Yeah. And 557 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,559 then Dio came in, and Dio was a strong personality, so I think 558 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:54,719 he and Tony Iomi butted heads and then so Dio was there for two albums 559 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,840 and then and then I think after that was Ian Gillen who only lasted one 560 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:05,280 album, and then probably Tony Martin after that. But there even were a 561 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,039 couple of other there instances where like I think there was one instance where Tony 562 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:13,719 Martin did the album but then didn't want a tour, so they hurt somebody 563 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,800 else for the tour. It's just crazy. It was such a revolving door. 564 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,360 I also think that, uh oh, there was also an album. 565 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:30,440 There was a Black Sabbath album called Seventh There's an album called Seventh Star that 566 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:37,719 was actually released as Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iomi because it was supposed to be 567 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,280 a solo album and then the record company said, yeah, we changed our 568 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,920 minds. We wanted to be a Black Sabbath album. So the compromise was 569 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,440 they called it Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iomi. But yeah, I find all 570 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,280 that stuff fascinating. So Jenny, do you know offhand? Uh? Do? 571 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,440 Who we have next week? I do? I do? We should 572 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,079 plug that before we run out of time, and then we'll let me pull 573 00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:05,360 up the right. Where are we then today? And where am I? 574 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,800 We'll end with talking about what's going on tonight? But yeah, is Gary 575 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,480 Lawrence is that next week? Gary Lawrence is coming next week? He will 576 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,639 be live in studio, coming in at the eleven o'clock hour. At the 577 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:22,480 ten o'clock hour. We have after the Winter. Oh yeah, I love 578 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,159 those guys. Yeah, they were on before. Yes, yes, yep, 579 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:29,920 they'll be in at ten o'clock and then Gary Lawrence is coming in at 580 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,719 eleven. Cool and lots of lots more people coming up. I have Ricky 581 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,960 Mapleton's coming in some let's see Ray Coast is coming in. Well, he'll 582 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,880 be skyping in. Yeah he won't be I wish would come in. One 583 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,239 way to travel. Tyler all good. Kevin Horn, Yeah, Kevin Horn's 584 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,159 great. Oh yeah, lots of it. If you want to be on 585 00:44:53,039 --> 00:45:00,320 get in touch with me and coffee. No, that's sounded terrible. Yeah, 586 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:04,960 j E N n C O F f e y dot com. You 587 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,199 can find me there. Yes, and we should remind people too about the 588 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:15,239 hop The hopknot officially now is they're closed Sunday and Monday, but they're open. 589 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,119 Uh, they are open tuesdays now, so they're open Tuesday through Saturday. 590 00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,400 Our amazing sponsor, and they've got a lot of great stuff. The 591 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,400 hopknot n H, I believe is the website, and they've got some great 592 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,960 events coming up and they're always doing good stuff. Of course. Of course, 593 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,800 don't forget tonight at the Mosaic, our collection starting at seven. Huh 594 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,679 collective. Didn't I say collective? You said collection, I say collection. 595 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,199 Yes, Oh sorry, there is the collection of art, but yes, 596 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:50,079 it is, it is. It is the Collective of collections at seven doors 597 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:54,519 at seven. Will start promptly at eight and run until about ten. Yeah, 598 00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:58,079 looking forward to that. Jenny and I will be there. Of course, 599 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,000 we encourage everyone to come down say hello, check it out. It's 600 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:07,559 a it's a great place. And uh, it was wonderful to meet Nick 601 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,320 and Chloe, and of course I was wonderful to have you on today, 602 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,480 Derek, and look forward to look forward to seeing you there. The first 603 00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:17,760 one. Yeah, the first one's our first guests and the new location, 604 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920 so very good, very good. All right, so we will wrap up. 605 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:27,400 We're gonna end with one more song from Abner the Second, who is 606 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,920 going to be playing live tonight, and one more song from the band Regals 607 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,000 as well the other musical artists feature tonight at the Mosaic Art Collective, and 608 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:37,960 yeah, come on down. It's gonna be a lot of fun. It's 609 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,159 gonna be a great time. And of course, if you missed any part 610 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:44,519 of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at w 611 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,039 m n Hradio dot org and you can also get to it on my website 612 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,280 Matt Connorton dot com. And thank you all everyone who joined us today, 613 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,639 everyone who tuned in, and uh wow, I can't believe it. Our 614 00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,880 first show in the new studio. This is pretty cool in the yes, 615 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,840 yes, all right, So we're gonna leave you with this. This is 616 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,679 called Ali from Abner the Second to close out this week's Matt Connorton Unleashed and 617 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,880 we'll talk to you all soon. Hi, everybody,