Good morning, Mother Sphere, Good morning, Mother, Comonic Sphere Welcome.
We are tribes i chavas, tribe thank you, good morning, mother,
wait, welcome. One more day to our podcast, you know, the
podcast of the Community of Mothersphere in which we try to approach, therefore,
people, projects, challenges, themes that help us all, to manage a
little better or to learn or, to reflect or to feel accompanied in this
beautiful task, in this aspect of life, in this walk that we take
when we are raising and accompanying creatures and, of course, our section more
focused on accompanying us and in sitting around the table and making pineapple and in
making tribe we are tribe with my friends, my dear ones, Cristina López
and Arancha Rollo. Good morning, Cristina, as you are one more month
or the single arancha. Very well, as always I am delighted with this
little moment that I think is more and more a gift, almost more san
behind us and because we enjoy it so much that we expect it to reach
the people who hear it. He' s telling me once, and he
' s saying it' s like if you' re having a good time.
I mean, it' s reality. We had so much fun that
then it' s really nice to share it with people who listen to it.
Good morning, all the people who are listening to us. I was
thinking of listening to you, you think if we didn' t, if
it didn' t happen to us, I don' t think so,
then we start from there that we enjoy it, that it' s a
time of self- care for us and that then it has also helped us
in our day- to- day life with its little ones and I have
said this which, of course, is so. We know that there is
a lot coming that people love and that we have many listeners that also,
then we get mensajitos. I mean, there' s heard in the tribe
that we' re tribes this month There' s listeners who listen to only
that section of the podcast that you know, that' s to say welcome
ones to listen to the rest as well. But I love that it is
a space that I know is very special and that your voices and this intimate
environment that we have created. I love that they have that faithful audience and
that I hope they really learn something or that, at least I don'
t know whether to learn that, maybe it' s a very ambitious goal,
that they feel a little less alone and less abandoned there in the cold,
in the hard steppe Castilian everything and this month, because we bring a
theme and a theme and a concept that I have to first of all derive
to a mother- sphere space dedicated to the boredom that we had last year
and that I will leave you in the notes of the program, because it
is another way also to understand and that it complements safely. Even if you
have not yet listened to this programme, I am convinced that you are dealing
very well with what you are going to tell us. Cristina and Arancha always
from this vision you know of the respect for the childhood of our creatures,
who are people. Please, it seems that it is obvious and obvious and
it is not at all and that where you try to address everyday issues of
upbringing, motherhood and fatherhood from a vision of the positive discipline that you bring
us, Cristina and Aranchas, des s de s UAs your experience, from
your knowledge, from your initiatives, from that magic school, from all the
meetings and projects that you bring together, Cristina and Arancha, which are fantastic
there in Burgos, to which we send a greeting, because you hear that
you make cool things in Burgos. By the way, I really do.
I am surprised by many people who return to Burgos after some time having lived
in other places. Yes, yes, yes, envy gives me and see
that in Madrid things are done, but I really like the atmosphere that you
have there in Burgos and the cool things that you do. So, having
said this and I have thus understood a little bit the context that you tell
us today about boredom. Yes, the approach we wanted to give you above
all is practical. Not because you already know that what comes to us are
the questions a little from day to day, not from a very broad concept
of boredom, which is true, that that space was the truth, that
it was wonderful and that it has a goal of information and learning, and
our idea is a little landing it not that in the end you say well,
this is very good. Let' s philosophize about it, which will
also put a little context. But when my little boy tells me on Sunday
afternoon, Mom, I get bored or Dad gets bored, What we do,
how we deal with it, that I think we' re missing like
that step and that, besides it' s what they always value us and
he says jo is that in the end you gave me three ideas and already
then it has occurred to me and from there, from that sharing of the
tribe that is from where we do it. Then. Having said that,
I was looking to prepare the podcast and I say okay but what is boredom,
that is, how we define it, because boredom we have all lived
it, we have felt it in different moments of our life, but what
is then, I say well, because I am going to ask the dictionary.
You know I like it and told NBA it' s boredom. Actually.
I asked Chan Gept that you already know that I am now a lot
of people and he told me. He said to me boredom, he says
to me is the tiredness of the mood that I am already as it has
impacted me. Having said this, it appears as poetry that we have gone
into cervific tiredness of the mood caused by a lack of encouragement or distraction or
a repeated annoyance. And I think this concept is important that we have it,
because boredom itself. Lately we wanted to give him as a very mainstream
roll, very clip Bay, very headline girls. Kids have to get bored.
Everyone has to be bored. We need creativity and then, but the
boredom, the mood that generates us at the emotional level and at the body
level is not predisposed to that creativity. Creativity needs a state of body and
a state of mind in which we are much more receptive, in which our
body is open to expectation and in which we are active, in which we
feel like movement. That' s why I' ve done many times when
we' re walking people who know how to walk that you come up with
a lot of ideas that you say I don' t know if I stop
to write them, but the tiredness, emotional and body state that generates us
is much more shrinking and from there it' s very difficult to jump and
immediately, as if I was going to light a match. Suddenly. Now
you' re going to come up with the new startup or the new idea
you' re going to come up with, the new wonderful idea is very
complicated, because our state isn' t conducive to what we want to look
for, which is creativity or curiosity or suddenly having a space. No.
So, I think you have to understand that and from that concept it'
s worth how we transform. Then boredom in something else or how we accept
it. I think it is also important to work on acceptance. There are
times that are boring, because they are boring. Let' s face it,
it' s one more state we' re in. What happens is
that like unpleasant states, we' ve talked about it many times, we
don' t like them and we don' t like seeing them in our
creatures either. What we understand is come quickly. Let' s get out
of this state and don' t tell me again that you' re bored,
because look at the amount of toys you have there that you haven'
t even taken out, because start doing anything, because play with your brother
get out of there fast, instead of understanding that you' re bored,
because you still can' t think of anything to do now, because this
space is boring, because if we are, then we' ll see cases
in a doctor' s office, because man, a space like very entertaining.
It' s not that it' s as much as they decorate it,
we appreciate it, but it' s not that it' s an
amusement park either. So I think that' s the first one that we
have to understand, not that it' s boredom, that it' s
not a state let' s say optimal, I don' t like the
word nice, but it' s a state that good, it generates some
uneasiness and now what we can do to transform it and also to accept it
from our figure of mothers and fathers and we talk a little bit with arancha
that also, that state what you generate a behavior on top of that it
' s boring, generates a behavior, it said a disruptive honk that as
it curls a little bit more, the rhythm is not only that I'
m bored, is that you' ll see what' s going to start
to happen now. Yeah,' cause you said, we owe the phrase
to me, I get bored. But this phrase bores me when they'
re a little older in early childhood. They are not aware that they are
getting bored, because that need for entertainment, they are not able to identify
it. What they do is start to entertain themselves the way they see it
causing the most impact. And as it causes more impact, because with disruptive
behavior so many times I see it in Aula with my children too. Evidently,
that sign of starting to throw things upset, begins to have behaviors that
cause us discomfort is synonymous. I' m bored. The thing is,
they' re still not able to say it. Then we have to see
that need for entertainment and be able to satisfy it instead of stopping, stopping,
stopping, because when we just want to stop the behavior and settle in
it, don' t do, don' t look. Sometimes put yourself
on or we pull a screen as the first solution. In the end we
are taking away an opportunity that they can build their own needs, which is
basically me when from nonviolent communication. It' s one of the great discoveries
you' ve made to me is that you have the need to sometimes tell
me you need boredom. Boring is not a necessity. Entertainment is a necessity.
Let' s see how we' re gonna satisfy that need for entertainment.
And, as Chris said, action is essential. And action requires an
enabling environment that passes through things that are the same. It is not that
calm situation that we would love to have adults and also know how to be
self- compassionate with ourselves, that there will be moments because of physical personal
situations that we really need that calm, but that is not the norm.
So it is important for me to find a balance between favoring a space so
that they can decide what to do with their time. Well, it'
s my favorite way to define everything that has to do with boredom. It
is not that they need to be bored, but that they need time,
space and know what to do with that time and with that space, or
have the decision- making ability to do in that time, in that space
to say what to do. Yes, because I think that this is the
most difficult phase, not how I accompany them in those moments without falling either
in becoming the cheerleader of the turn of that space that, suddenly, because
that between them, the criaturillas, do not know what to do with that
time, And there are times that we fall instead in the accompaniment, in
becoming, because that is a circus artist so that they are entertained but they
are not entertaining themselves. We are entertaining you that we can do it with
a screen that is much faster, but there are times that we fall into
it because I start doing things to get you out of that state. But
this is raising for me the situation above which I am entertaining you. It
' s not working out enough for you, of course, because your need
isn' t covered. Actually, what we' re trying to do is
cover ours, which is that you don' t tell me again or that
you' re bored or that you end this behavior that' s been created
by that state of boredom. And stopping there is complicated. We already know
that this theory is fine, but then you have to be home that Sunday
afternoon that when you' re there listening, I get bored, I get
bored. I have to do it and you have to iron the next day,
you have to go to work, that is, it' s not
a state like super happy either. That' s why he said" rancha
" For us it is important that the more environment prepared or more situations prepared
and anticipated, the easier we are going to be able to solve that situation.
And I' m not saying that I' m going to solve the
problem, but I' m going to be able to solve it or I
' m going to have tools to confront it and, above all, I
' m going to take that idea away when we get that moment of good
is that it needs to get bored. So it' s going to be
a lot more creative and they' re going to call you back at Silicon
Vale. They don' t need spaces and it happens to us too and
I' ve realized that with the people we have, where they have everything
organized, when they have free time. It is normal that they do not
know what to do with it, because so far we have set everything for
them. So if you' re all set as a kid, it'
s now you get up. You do this. You get your teeth stuck,
you go to school and you come back. You eat at Grandma'
s. Then you have English. After English is the snack, then the
homework. Now play the bathroom, you' ll have to pick up.
I don' t know what. I don' t know how many you
' re going to bed. Suddenly there comes a Sunday. I say Sunday,
because it' s usually Sunday afternoon. It' s usually very complicated
and I have five hours, five hours that adults sometimes. Five hours watch
what he gives you. It gives you time for the gym, to meditate,
to learn English, to read a book and you say, I have
two left over. Imagine five hours for a small creature that his decision-
making is not yet acquired and that you have released him. There you already
have all afternoon for you oysters or well, of course, it is very
complicated to manage for girls boys. So I think that understanding this the next
time you tell us, because even that headline of good because it is that
since it needs to be bored to treat, we are going to leave a
little and we will be able to face it from another way that for me
it seems important and to make reflections to as adults and you give five hours
free now of time. Yes, yes, it seems that we all want,
but at the third hour you say because now I have a use with
someone you know you are exhausted a little and with this phrase, as with
many others related to life in general, does not apply the same for childhood
as for adults. And we have different scales that I can understand that the
needs are different, but that adult centrism that we have in this our society
is very much denoted, but in a brutal way and since we do not
put ourselves in the skin also of the creatures, not knowing how we know
that they have different needs, a dif capabilities is, a different way of
understanding the world. And yet, because we demand things that we do not
directly demand of ourselves, that is to want to bore us or to live
it well boredom. What to me is, And besides, if we go
today to any space where there are people waiting for something, what they'
re doing looking at the mobile, changing the mobile. That' s something
that, thanks to Christi, I' m trying to do. I don
' t know what it is to take advantage of, to do some work
that has to be done, but if it' s time, I'
m going to look at the mobile because yes, well, until the end,
what model we' re giving, not that we' re generating and
we have the expectation that they in their free time, without resources around them,
which is absurd. You' re a three- year- old or
four- year- old who' s suddenly this, have that feeling of
beautiful. Man, I' m getting bored. I don' t have
anything to do, but it mysteriously stops like this. Say ah wait what
educational and educational and development opportunity I am living right now, Mom, Dad
calmly, I will stop effectively, Thank you for this moment that you are
giving me education. Thanks for making me a better person. Thanks to this
moment of boredom, I will be much better, I will resist frustration.
I' m gonna have you a mda tomorrow. Thanks, Dad and Mom.
I want so much. I loved it, uh, or yes,
yes, that' s it. Please, I' ve thought, I
say from here to I' m going to. But maybe some kid did.
Hey, if you' re listening to us at home and your son,
your daughter has had that moment, you can email us. Don'
t hang him in nets. You can' t two thank you, please.
Don' t publish it. You need to record it and put it
on. Well, it' s not going to be real, but,
well, maybe there might be some circumstance. No, yes, I,
in fact, as an anecdote, the other day I was in rehab in
a room. Then there was all we were adults and what we were all
about is each one in his chair, because one with infrared, the other
with such and above one is rehabilitation, because I could be the youngest,
more or less, and everyone was with the phone, mobile in hand.
Everyone, I mean, I mean, and I say young, because a
lot of people tend to be that young people are all day with their phones.
Everyone was there with their cell phone. The only one who had a
book was me and then I decided to come and do the exercise of not
even opening the book to see what happens. Ah, well, I was
three minutes away from having to be on for ten minutes with a couple of
cheeks on my shoulder, and I was looking at the clock and I was
just saying that I' ve been looking at them all, and he'
s made up all the stories about these people. I' m going to
open my book, but because I had previously made the decision to take the
book with me, I wanted to read it. It was the book I
wanted to read. I mean, I had made a previous decision- making.
First, because I knew the space I was going to, I mean,
I' m already an adult person and done, I knew what I
was going to, I was going to a rehabitation room, I had to
stay for a while with something still in a chair. I knew all the
information. I decided to take a book and besides, the one I had
chosen because just like that at that time, the lady of Alla tells me
take one of the stories of the West and I say come bring as when
there is a magazine there in the waiting room and you say well, since
there is nothing else. But I' m not stalling. I am occupying
time, which is very different, that is, occupying time is not there,
it is not entertainment and that does not give rise to creativity, except
circumstances where we already have the same since, an adult person who is looking
for other things, but the girls and they, as they said the wide,
small ones, moreover, do not think at that moment. Ah,
well, I' m going to take up my time, watching this magazine
with drawings. You know if I can think of being an interior architect in
the future and not thank you. Thank you I' m gonna love this.
We don' t then. I think it' s always going to
our adult shoes and saying what I' ve done to face this situation.
Or if I go to an airport and a flight is delayed, I mean,
I don' t see people saying it' s going super well,
I have an hour. I' m going to fire him in the office
because I have an hour because he' s late for the flight. I
see people complaining I hear they' ve challenged the flight. I don'
t want to get home. I mean, they' re not there.
Well, I' m gonna get bored in that, not unless you don
' t want to get home. Same. There are people who say your
tricks there are no ones I don' t want to help. Yeah,
normal thing is you say" Jolín" you' re going to shit.
I had this in my head, which is I had an expectation in my
head, which was that I was going to get on the plane until now
and in the time of the plane there was going to be a series,
there was going to be a book, whatever, I was going to answer
emais from work, I was going to sleep. I had already prefixed what
I was going to do and suddenly, I fit a time that is not
in my expectation and I get angry. And besides, I' m going
to complain and I' m not saying what a good opportunity I have,
because you see I can' t do anything, what a good opportunity I
have for creativity. I' m going to put out here the blog that
I always carry and I' m going to develop a new startup and call
Silicon Valley in these fifty- four minutes of flight delay, that is,
to pass on someone yes, but because we' re also adults. There
are also people who say listen, and I have learned very well to take
advantage of my time. I got it super cool. But girls boys don
' t need that accompaniment. They need us to show them when tomorrow this
happens to you on a flight, how you' re going to take it,
what you' re going to do, what' s going to happen
to you, and you' re going to be in a hospital. That
anticipation is doing a little bit of walking around with everything Chris said. In
the end, the key is to know where you are going and, to
the extent that you said posino, how long you are going to be.
Although the concept of time is somewhat abstract. Choice, choice ability to know
how you' re going to want to occupy that time and what resources you
' re going to want to take. Because, well, I' m
also telling you that having a prefixed gaming backpack that you take out right at
the last minute and take it away, because it' s also a great
option that we can choose before if it' s going to be a very
long time, what it wants to take just for that occasion too. But
we have plan ah no and plan B that survives it Come on. I
have not noticed, but I have a backpack of games that I can always
carry, of objects that I know you normally like to use and then the
adult accompaniment, the high accompaniment to have an expectation of even with all this
you will need of my presence and you will need of my accompaniment for this
memento that is not pleasant for anyone. Yes, first, then it can
become a connection moment. Yes, then, linking all this together, if
you want to run, we can think of those situations, especially that we
were asking a little bit and that they told us that they gave us concrete
situations, they said okay, but when you go to the doctor and then
I' m in the doctor' s room and of course it' s
long or the dentist, and there' s not much room for movement.
In addition, they are spaces a little that are not thought for anything,
for girls and boys, that is to say here you have to be silent,
sepulchral that seems that there is a convent and clearly is already much more
disruptive, because it is much more complicated to comply with that norm that there
is here. We are no longer going to tell the health centers that they
could change the architecture of the centers a little bit, but well, you
could tell them. We don' t say it, it wouldn' t
be another change it, please, it' s another melon integrative architecture.
Let' s go to the doctor and what we do, that is,
how we anticipate, because I think that in the end you' re going
to go to the doctor, since this information is this, then I think
we need to tell them more about what' s going to happen, what
space is like. Sometimes you don' t know him later. If you
have gone to the doctor many times, you already know, but those first
times or even many times you have to repeat it, because I, John,
are already older. But now, anyway, we have to go to
the screening vaccine of I don' t know what somehow keeps asking me,
but then we have to wait. But it' s with the nurse.
They' re the ones asking you the questions because they want to know.
I want to know as an adult, too. I want you to tell
me. Then give them that information that' s not me. I think
sometimes, because I said arancha to clarify a little something that we say if
I have already told you that we go to the doctor, of course it
is the doctor, what it means, what framework it has, how it
will be if there are chairs and there are no chairs, even that we
talked about it once. No, there are sometimes no situations in the periods
here that you cannot anticipate, but there are others that do. Then tell
them you' re looking at the Health Center. You remember we went once
there are some chairs, you sit there and we have to wait for the
person to come out and call us and until they don' t come out
or we can all call them andres or other people here don' t take
him away. He has his opinion, you have a clear opinion. He
' s saying immios dogs that when we go to the vet we have to
anticipate explaining it to him as well. I would say that people come when
there are people, because they have to tell that story. I think we
have to do it always adapted to your age, obviously, but that is
that also the creators of teenagers' entities, if they have to go to
the dentist, will be bored. And of course everyone with their cell phone.
There, it' s a situation like I' m taking a puzzle
out of you. I' d be laughing, I wouldn' t wish
it was me, as an adult, semi- functional, I' d
love to have puzzles. The doctor' s office, you can imagine.
Well, I' d stay there and you have to go. I'
ll stay here and have the piece. I' m already super creative.
This is what I' m thinking, I' m thinking a lot while
you guys talk. I know this is a childhood space, especially, but
I' m thinking a lot about seniors, third, seniors, seniors,
and how boredness is everything, it' s not at all something you have
to do in a way, because that' s you have to get bored,
not and all the consequences that boredom has on the elderly, our elders,
I mean, that we change the chip many times when we give the
messages that we release them. So, like that one that so pretty of
the children of the Siricon Valley have no screens that we have you know so,
yes, yes, the headlines that also work for us and we are
not even convinced that it is so or not because we have heard them.
Of boredom it is necessary, because there are people who are sick of boredom
and the elderly are precisely a sector very vulnerable to boredom and why it is
not necessary to turn many times. I always highly recommend the book of sickness,
boredom, the guest of mother space, a sphere that is a philosopher
from a historical philosophical approach, a philosophical historical journey of boredom. How it
has been lived during all super interesting times and how we are very conditioned by
our social historical context, evidently, and by our own perspective, And how
we see it and how the messages that have given us condition us. It
' s a message of nothing. This is really good to get bored.
Well, it depends and depends on what I answer, what person, what
situation and what it involves and what it is not worth. It' s
not such a message that it' s valid for everyone. Yes, I
was thinking that when it comes to anticipating it is also important to anticipate emotional
states, that is, not only what we find physically, but what we
can feel in order to see what solutions we can previously carry out at that
time. Because, because that may wait a long time, we may wait
a little, the time that is little to you may be done a lot.
Then what are you going to feel there and what are we going to
do every moment. I also see that as quite necessary when it comes to
verbalizing it in those moments and those of us who foresee that we are going
to be bored And what about this that when you have practiced this a lot
and suddenly there comes a situation in which there is a boredom, be a
long time in which you don' t know what to do like this suddenly
and you haven' t worked it out if you and you have already put
it into practice in other times, because we simply rescue the power of remembrance,
which is when we did this, because we are going to do something
similar that happens like that moment, then the power of remembrance. In addition,
we generate the same, if I missed a pleasant moment at the physiological
level, we generate the same sensation by remembering it or even better if we
have idealized it, even because it gives us like that high. So we
have that magic wand, that briefcase, that medicine kit to recover solutions that
we' ve already put into practice. But in the end, like everything
else, it' s a training, you have to train. Yes,
and this isn' t about not giving room to the one who doesn'
t have to do anything and you have to hope that I believe the key
is in balance, because we can' t go to forgive that situation we
were doing either. We' re in the doctor' s waiting room,
which is one of the questions we were asked, and then, of course,
I' ve been on a battery for the first fifteen minutes, we
paint the next fifteen minutes, we do a puzzle and then we play a
game for the next fifteen minutes is not that. I mean, there'
s a time. We' re going from calm as much as we can
and well, we' re here waiting. We can be chatting about what
' s going on. Many times I' ve seen it. Don'
t sit down, the person who accompanies the child pulls out the cell phone
and the pe that is talking in the seat sitting and at twenty- five
seconds thirty starts to climb up and get out of the chair and stops and
you continue with the mobile to call us and you continue, that is,
you are entertaining or solving a brown job. I don' t care.
But the other person has to be meditating, that is to say, it
affects calm harmony there in a situation that, besides, is usually not pleasant
because the girls, boys know that when they go to the doctor, because
it is not that they go to another, to an amusement park that although
there is no pain and not such, but it is a situation that everyone
is uncomfortable, because it exposes us, it generates a vulnerability, because you
are sick, that is, I mean that you are not at your best
either. I think that to do that reflection is simply to hear, because
at that moment it is to look. I' ll take the phone you,
you want to carry a book. Hey, not that you sit down
and climb up and get off twice as cool ass. It is not about
going to the other side, if it is about having been able to choose
look between a book, between this story and this story, between two pencils
to paint or some stickers to put in a notebook. There are many simple
things that can give us those clues and then understand what their times are that
they have to learn. I' m just waiting and I' m saying,
you have to learn between two, three, four minutes, a little
smaller, we can have it there. If we see that that' s
going to go the same way, I' ve just done it. When
sickness comes out, I say sorry there are still these people. Yeah,
well, I calculate and say five people for five minutes, twenty- five
I go out for fifteen minutes and I still have ten left to be inside.
But for me to be in there for twenty- five minutes, there
' s no point out anything outside. I' m staying at the door.
At the door I can move, I can jump, I can climb
up and down a curb. To be just doing nothing. I mean,
it' s being that you don' t have to be entertaining at that
moment or creating a game. But I' ve already created a different situation
where there' s a movement and so listen Mira. Now, when the
clock comes to this arrow or if you know the hours, we have to
go back inside and see how the room is. Hey, so, look,
I' ve calculated five minutes. They' ve been super fast.
You' ve lost your turn. Man, if you' re a little
bit to say you' re calculating, then multiply me by three minutes.
I mean, look, there' s still a lot left, because you
can see it' s getting longer. You want to go out another bit.
We stayed five minutes waiting in here. For me it is to accompany,
but as we would do with whatever you said, any other person and
understanding it from there, yes, it still tells you and you have bored,
yes, of course. All he' s doing is entertaining time.
I wasn' t doing anything super creative or that I wanted either, because
it' s that I' m gaining a space that I' m just
like playing legos, not that little ones don' t have this capacity that
we think is creative. As suddenly I' m going to sit like this
a philosopher about a story you said no to and make the short film of
my life that I' m going to get there a bigger oscar. Yeah,
and there you can play. There are stories to create, that is,
it depends on age. We do the sequence and on topics of pre
- adolescence, of adolescence, sometimes they are very good spaces to talk,
because you have no other left to be. Then taking advantage of it is
an opportunity. If you' re there, you have to be thirty-
five minutes waiting for the dentist is that even if I want to be with
the mole jo and you show me what you' re doing, because this
youtuber seems super interesting to me what game you' re playing at now you
want to talk about, which is that maybe you take out a date that
you thank the dentist that is delaying you, because it forces you to be
then. If we see it as a value, it is no longer a
burden. I think those moments are like looking for your own solutions and the
backpack of resources come on. I have always taken it and today I carry
a deck of Pokémon that people know and on top it becomes a special moment,
because I only take it out at that moment where I say hear Juan
you fancy a game of Pokémon, then it is something that I did before.
As wa is a resource that is not elsewhere. He' s at
this moment of tension. I' m going to ask a question to see
if you have it, because I remember. I have in my head the
memory of my mother' s purse, which was the treasure drawer. Practically
when we went somewhere and kept waiting, my mother would leave me or not
give it to investigate. You know clearly what my mother had in her purse,
but it' s not like my mother did it with a what kind
of pedagogical resources. I' ve read in the news letter, because we
already know that there was no such awareness. But it was how come take
and for me, as a creature to life wanting to do things and you
can' t, because that' s another one that context doesn' t
allow you or people allow you to do what, as a creature, you
want to do, which is to climb up the windows, throw yourself for
that, as a boy or girl you are, you want to do things
that like every creature, but well, suddenly you get a bag of treasures
and you dedicate yourself to exploring. Another thing is that then they tell you
don' t start stirring my purse. It is not clear that we demand
that the creatures know how to be bored, but we do not let them
overstep. What for them is play and clear and explore and good and play
and be boys and girls. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, me.
I loved taking out what they say wide the prices of the wallet the
photos or I don' t know why they were all kept, they kept
everyone from having one there from the butcher shop three months ago, because I,
suddenly I will find you and it was like cat and I placed them
and I don' t know what took out the keys and he doesn'
t know what. Me, man, and that' s a very big
deal. I mean it' s within reach, those things that papyroflexia with
purchase tickets me because there are times I don' t have the backpack.
Not really And well, depending on the temperament of each pe that if you
need as much activity, because it is that clear topic also that is left,
because then the moment of the boys bother and the girls bother, they
are not allowed to do anything. Yeah, so there' s that they
need, anyway, more resources and it' s the plane tickets later,
as well as practical resources that in common situations that can happen to us is
the typical family reunion where you' re going to eat at a restaurant and
implode everything not and then there are trials around that we talk about it.
We remember the previous podcast always familiar is to listen always at any time of
the year, and the theme of going to a restaurant that well, depending
on where you go, is a zero home adapted for children' s needs.
And we got here, we sat down, we waited for the cards,
we decided to eat seventeen people or five, and we waited for them
to bring the food and all that, the girl and the children sitting down.
So we do what we do in my family, so, if it
can serve as resources, we go to the street or to a place where
we see that they can explore, that they can expand and like the technology
for that, so it' s a great ally. We send the letter
by wa and then we order, because I want this and when the food,
when they start to bring the called food and we sit, wash our
hands and sit down then it is a way of that time that it can
be super tedious and boring to get right to the time of eating that,
besides, if there is hunger, if there is fatigue, because the reactions
may be more reactivity. And of course, what we put on is to
stop today to that cansion and that it is of the tables that I like
almost even more than the previous ones, because the previous ones, well sometimes
they are there with the illusion just sat down. I don' t know
what. Sometimes they get the letter a few pinturitas somewhere, that' s
good. But there comes that moment where they have finished eating that also usually
end before many times and there are the coffee desserts the cup and talk about
the presentation of x the Senate that has been this week. And of course
there for me that is the Caldito where I suddenly get bored when we are
going to see that it is that ends then I say the is that for
what we have met with your uncles created you yes, at that moment the
adult bets are to frame eh, of course I love them. I,
in fact, sometimes I' m in there just like that and I'
m saying I' m having such a good time. I' m having
a better time with those on the table talking than mine, because mine'
s boring, but I' m not saying it, I' m shutting
it up, but I' m bored. When we go at the end,
you' re going to buy me the ice cream, because then there
are these things you eat you say in the afternoon there is an ice cream
already, but in the afternoon when it' s because it' s been
a long time and you' re going to buy me the ice cream already.
Wait a bit how many, a little bit, then the child returns
to the chair, turns around, takes the napkin to the spear. I
don' t know what. If there are several. It' s already
starting a little bit, now, a little more party, because of course
the movement is going up. You' re gonna throw the glass away.
You just can' t stand still. It' s not, but of
course I, as an adult, have come to be at dinners or meals
that I' m bored with an oyster and it' s telling me I
' m going to the service for a moment, I go to the bathroom,
I lean on the sink, I take off my cell phone and I
' m there for a while and when I say it, Joe, a
tremendous number of people. I' m sorry for the people who at some
point have lived with me a dinner, a meal of these, because,
but I mean, as adults, it' s really good that you'
re bored what' s going on, that we have a strategy and we
say what I do, because today I' m called by xaci phones you
don' t look or you leave or you have the ability to say good
look, because listen I' m bored. We came here. I know
it' s like this, because whatever it is, come on, I
get hooked up in the conversation, but that' s how you' ve
been through it. Super good, super good, no, no, no,
no, I didn' t have a good time? Then we ask
them, as an eye upon which we have come and besides, have you
asked what you have wanted for food, have you not had a good time?
Well, no, I haven' t had a good time? And
that acceptance is from the adult, not from what we have to transform the
child who we walk like selling him a motorcycle so we come to a restaurant
and you have been able to choose, didn' t you have fun?
And don' t let it happen to me in adults. It is that
in the end it is many times the fear of the adult who is going
to be bored or, that is, on the one hand, on the
one end or on the other, that sometimes we put the band- aid
before the wound, that we anticipate that they will be bored mogollón in this
anticipation sometimes we go too far. I also sometimes don' t think because
we don' t leave room for them either, well, because they really
feel it we don' t give them everything ready anymore and we already directly
sit it down and we already put the screen in front of them, which
also happens. It' s not that he' s gonna get bored,
but you haven' t let the kid sit down. I mean, that
' s it or that' s it, or that they already have it
mechanized, because I see it a lot the moment they sit on top of
it, too. Yeah, it' s not like a situation association,
yeah, it' s resource. Well, that' s just not how
I ride the chicken. Or so I take it off and it' s
true. It' s true, I mean, I don' t judge
situations, but it' s true that we' ve internalized it, that
we' re the adults who put those resources in front of them, because
we didn' t want it to be the montén. We don' t
want them to give us the can or we don' t know or we
don' t know, we don' t have that notion of what you
can take them outside, that it' s not that space for those kids
at the time. And basically it' s working creativity. Also very clear
people, because if we see the resources and see what we have, because
it is a previous exercise of adult creativity with what we have, I know
from the sugars, cut the drawings, play with the bases, yes,
the more, play a little, play with the bears, the sugars,
all that type of napkins and you suck it can stick in many parts of
the body. So it' s a really fun way to start another game.
The thing is, we have to see the kids. There are little
strollers and I already shut up girls in little strollers with mobile phones, posts
that you say no yes, this is where I' m already getting out
of the world. Either the part of or we don' t want the
kids to be bored, is that we want them to explore and see the
world that' s not the same as I know they' re bored,
they' re going to get bored, that' s where I make that
differentiation that we put in the sack of getting bored a lot of things that
aren' t boring. Yes, and above all, we have talked about
smaller ones, that is, I am entertaining them, because that with the
sugars, with the games. But there is also an age where the key
is that they are part of the conversation, that we have to isolate them
immediately, that is, when they are more young, two three, four
years, because men can be part of the conversation for a while because you
can ask them something they like, what they have done to play the stories.
But when they are older, they also like it for such in conversations
and we have to give them a voice and obviously even more. I mean,
I' m already talking about even how old I might be. They
play eleven years old, they start to have their opinions about politics, the
economy, social injustices and it' s super valuable to give them that space.
So, in this case that we were talking about the tabletops, we
were simply introducing them into what is to be heard and so on. We
can' t pretend to have a one- and- a- half-
hour philosophical conversation about anything. No, but the other day there was some
news coming out here at the TV station and Juan was already saying, but
then here they' re spending more money on this. And we had a
conversation about what he thought, plus he obviously did it from his criteria and
his knowledge, in which there is a pattern that for me is main.
It' s not about you taking the reason out of him by saying no.
No. No, man, you don' t know anything about p
and b that you' re gonna tell me now that he' s coming.
It' s about giving him that voice to be part of that space.
And there we are also managing that in a moment it has given pass,
because what happens to us after car. I mean, well, this
isn' t what I like most, but I' m able to get
into the conversation, make my opinion heard, keep a limit on respecting,
that is, there are other variables that are in the game, because I
think that if it' s baby, very baby, we understand that it
gets crying and I don' t know what, and the whole family reads
curl to try to entertain him. If he' s smaller, I don
' t know what. Well it depends, but then there' s an
intermediate age that' s neither the one nor the other, which is that
he' s getting bored and that' s why he wants his cell phone,
but that' s because you haven' t tried to give him space
and then we want him to stretch out. And there' s just times
when you don' t even have to take a whore with you. I
mean, I mean, they' re already at another age. Or,
you can take a board game a little more, because it' s a
virus, a double something like that and someone, because you' re going
to have to play with the table. But because I played parchis with my
grandmother, too. So that' s what you were saying. For me
it is balancing the needs of all the people who are there understanding that it
is not like forcing boredom, you have to bore boredom is there, sometimes
you will have to accept it. And you' re getting bored, you
' re getting bored. We' re going to accept it, we'
re going to accompany it, we' re going to put words in it,
we' re going to put emotion in it, and it' s
going to happen just like happiness happens and all the other things happen. But
I think that always for me, in boredom, look, it' s
always from the adult of this how I would interpret it and from there to
how I take it to him, because if I don' t see myself
in me, if I don' t see that I' m bored in
a meal. I' m not gonna understand that you' re bored.
But of course, when I see myself and I' m filling up on
my cell phone, I understand that you' re giving the ember. I
mean, I can make that analogy and they put me in your shoes.
Then we are also asked about long evenings at home. I don' t
know if it gives us time and car rides that to me car rides seem
the funniest thing in the universe. I have to say, I mean,
we in the car are happy. We really send ourselves in the car and
we' re super happy. The three of us have a thousand games.
It' s just that the car is moving. Then the car starts me
hilariously. But already clear there I am already very biased with that it is
movement and it is travel a car super fun space, is that think are
small, yours is still that it influences a lot, it smelled a lot
and I also have, that is I have bored a lot in the car,
but as a small and I mean, now I value very much to
it I enjoy it very much my trips by car, but because life is
the one that is and I value very much that moment of I am like
in limbo, not but as a small one. I' m bored sovereignly
and I' ve swallowed a lot of smoke on top because before you could
smoke in cars, so fabric and good I value now as an adult very
much. And I understand that children can get bored and I understand that it
' s a critical moment that we really have to turn it around and not
give in to the resource, because not because I value other things, the
easy resource of the screen. I' m sorry. I' m not
screenproof at all, but in the real car you can. It is not
mandatory not to put them, but I think there are times when they can
be used with a little bit maybe, a long trip, a movie that
they have prepared they have also chosen and they have been participants in this process.
One not all the trip and there are moments to look outside, that
is to say, but as a family I use good technology as well,
but not as a visual challenge, but of course, today, podcasts,
we pull a lot of that and in the end, entertainment is there.
It is not up to you either, because if you are tired, I
understand that in the end there is also an adult tiredness and that, then,
that need to rest you have to satisfy. But that' s why
we' re going to take advantage of a midpoint, like it can be
an audio story when a podcast, when you' re older, I mess
with the arevalo jokes I mean and not to see I carry my backpack and
what trauma you look at as a landlady. But I mean you don'
t have to listen all the time, sing games, which is something that
when we become fathers and mothers, we also have there as well as above.
Not all we have to put on is children' s music, because
they' re listening to us in the car. You can' t put
something on for you too mother father you listen to us, you can listen
to your music and they can like it too. You know, you don
' t have to focus just on that music that you end up hating.
So, we look at a game we have, which is that it'
s the one we always do as the first we pull is the easiest.
It is the DJ game that we are until we see that it stops working
by choosing a song, that is, the co- driver makes dj Iva
choosing a song. But that we like it and also there we have opportunities
work to tolerance equal to IT you don' t like much, but I
do and I also have the right to listen to what I like, because
we are more families. Try to find what we' re in. Of
course it is, the one thing, of course it is, and I
demand a lot of that and give them your music and that not only is
it not the tyranny that I am to us. Well, we had crackle
tapes. I don' t know if Arancha you' re younger, but
Cristina Morilas seemed to me to have an archdu country there was another, but
now I don' t remember. We had, that is, my parents
made that effort and I had sua either had a tape of it there were
things that I was in our time, so before I didn' t think
about childhood. We also had content for boys and girls, but my parents
were not perioved either, and I think it' s good for him to
put his sworn dew over them that I' m not my sister and I
sang Pinpinela, that is, and I live it as good, because it
' s what' s there and nothing happened. I mean, we have
to do a little bit. For me it' s a ro to integrate
the family and you know how well we didn' t have it and then
we did theaters and my sister and I did the so that we did performances,
so I think it' s a bit of a balance and that we
don' t just put childish content, because you end up, it'
s not healthy, that is for our adult mind, then we' re
frustrated and frustrated because we don' t have time for ourselves. Well,
then, also put on that song that you love and share it with your
family, that at some point you will share it with your sons and your
daughters too then I think that in the end is finding there the balance between
music that they may like and that you will like it too. No yes,
and besides that, that when they are older as their musical tastes,
it can give us a lot of play to those conversations that we sometimes seek
and that we still do not have in the day to day, therefore that
you like, not because you have chosen me a singer because you like and
who it is and we will talk about it. And so it' s
not about playing a song for you either. The next one sometimes leads to
an intermediate conversation. I mean, there' s a lot that can happen
inside a car, sorry. There' s Mother Monica, right now America
and then I' m going to bring the dog. And that' s
where I mean it' s not about entertaining the whole trip either. It
' s about playing with all the resources to know how long that trip takes,
that is, that' s where your adult look is. It'
s not the same going from here to Paris, which I drove. You
know it' s going to be ten twelve hours, you' re going
to be driving all day, you have to play with a lot of resources.
' Cause you know you' re gonna have to put the movie in
' cause yeah,' cause you know you' re gonna have to take
a nap,' cause yeah,' cause you know you' re gonna
have to stop at five parks,' cause yeah, you say that.
No, because we go here thirty- five minutes to the village next door
and as you sit down, I put the tablet look from here thirty-
five minutes away. There' s a lot of margins. It' s
that conversation itself. For me it is magical, that is to say,
to give space to the conversation, it is already a value and it is
to talk about what has happened to you and they like to listen as well.
Sometimes they just listen a little older, because look, yesterday, when
it comes from the office, it happens or I don' t know what
or vital, I don' t know what and you' re telling it.
It doesn' t have to be a subject you know they still can
' t hear it from. I' m talking about general topics, because
look, this morning I' ve been recording the podcast with Arancha and Monica
who has been liking it because, look, we' ve had a lot
of fun and I' ve already started asking and what that is and why.
And you' ve eaten twenty minutes of clockwork, which means you don
' t have to do anything but be with the person and accompany her,
which we can' t fall into. Ah that you are boring, because
very well it comes to you, because so you think about something that all
day long here with nonsense, because having caught a toy, I don'
t know why you haven' t fucked it is that you don' t
know how to get bored and you throw thirty- five minutes like this and
then you come ah you say you' re not liking the museum, because
obviously not, if it takes thirty- five minutes that you' re crushing
me ah because look we have forgotten to take a toy. In fact,
we in the car have a backpack of toys, of good support, of
toys or of things that suddenly there is a pineapple or that a cape of
any inside supermarket look another game that we have to share, we call it
the auctions that we started to play when Juan already had gual six or seven
years, He price, that is, says cheese goes with a catalog of
these from any supermarket and says that that a cure. I don' t
know what output price two with seventy- four that' s what I put
in. So each of us has a price that Jorge and I have given
us fifty euros. And the game consists of auctioning up and seeing who gets
more products, spending as little money as possible. And he goes with his
notebook and tells us three with twenty- seven, then he goes making sums.
And of course, we happen to you between you are grown up,
between us we itch from the one that you have taken the cheese from me,
because you will see, when a ham comes out I want it and
even croquettes from I don' t know what I happen that this is a
prefabricated. I don' t want it, I don' t want it
and your dad, you want it, you don' t know what.
And there' s game and you see c that' s a catalog and
a notebook and a pen. There' s no more and at times we
say look too. We' re tired. Let' s put on a
podcast, well, because you choose a podcast from here we' re trivia
kids. They hear it perfect that then they learn it and not John sometimes
tells me because You have made dangers. It' s true. Don'
t get your podcasts heard before if I' m better, Mom, you
' ve pruned a lot. One very important thing that I don' t
want to forget about the car and leisure and boredom very careful with the objects
that we carry inside the car loose is fine because we think it' s
an attraction park is the car. You have to be very careful with the
things that are loose and that when smaller we put everything good in thinking,
we will always use and such in a net behind the seat that there are
colored in a backpack despno three, because all projects, that is, every
loose object in the car is a potential projectile and has slow consequences. Okay
then. This is very important. Security issue. Recent mother parents who are
watching how to entertain the boys in the car, the girls all well-
kept and keep them from moving. And especially with the theme of screens that
sometimes give them to your hand. And that' s what I mean.
I mean, it' s not the same thing as a light- bunch,
not a screen that we give them to your hands sometimes. There are,
please, fastening systems, but very well isolated, because that is approved,
even on the shoulder and safe, where I have seen that and they
give them the screen by hand. It' s very important. We have
a podcast on car accessories. With countermatch precisely on this subject, because we
think that everything is worth and we have to be very careful, because then,
before a silly blow, the objects we have jump are released hard objects,
forceful that can cause injuries and we do not want. We don'
t want to, so leisure I' ll put it also because there was
also a special chapter past. We focused precisely on devices to hold screens that
already have covers that are attached to the front headrests and that we have to
have, that is to say, also to see that they are approved,
that they do not have parts, that is, all those things that nobody
tells you and that you think that anything that you buy in the corner bazaar
is worth and that good idea. But eye, because then it has a
return price. When you least expect it, then it is very useful to
have that information and always, to turn what we put in the car it
is worth that many times it seems that the bazaar the car. I get
it, but you have to be careful and I don' t know if
there' s anything else left, and so far so good you know that
nothing happens, is that I would leave a reminder when you' re bored
as an adult, think about what creative things you' re going to do
for when your children are bored. And that' s how you take the
time. You listened to the podcast of crafts too, because they talk a
lot about creativity, which is a subject very related to boredom. These podcasts
are very matriusque you don' t go talking about one thing and jump into
another and suddenly you come up with another. Of course I do, yes.
It' s just so, besides, when I talk to you,
as long as you tell me the subject as ah okay, we can talk
about this. But then, as you are suddenly speaking, other things are
coming to you. And this is very related. Casually, on good morning,
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So, to Tope, plus, I' ve seen that you'
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and more active. So great I will leave you the profiles, of course,
as always of Cristina de Arancha and her personal projects, the magic school,
the new blog of Cristina Cristina López Hubierna. And, well, we
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it' s been a pleasure, as always, to talk to you and
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