Well, this is going to be a different tone, a different setting,
and a different type of podcasts. This week. Typically we have something related
to ancient civilizations or archaeologists or geologist or somebody talking about the ruins, a
specific ruin or information on it. That's what typically we're all about. But
we're gonna kind of change up a little bit. And I think it flows
with the discussion we had with Babu dev Misra, you know, discussing the
end of Cali Yuga. And by the way, I got a tremendous amount
of mail and people really like that program, and I can see why,
because it's really helping us understand the future and the past, what we're what
we're currently dealing with vibrationally, what's coming up after Kelly Yoga. Most of
us won't be here, but we're in this three hundred year cycle right now,
the kind of the in between Kelly Yoga in the next phase, and
we're beginning to see evidence of problems, you know, crumbling, the breakdown
of this current society. But I also think that we're seeing what humanity is
turning into. And this is what the show's all about today. And would
you believe the guest is a NASA aerospace engineer. We haven't I don't know,
have we had an aerospace engineer. We may have. We've had a
lot of astronomers, but an actual working aerospace engineer is a rarity. And
what makes this program fascinating is the story we're going to hear about my guests
life, and that is Shanaz Sony and a book that she wrote on her
transformation called The Quantum Being. And this gets into her life in Pakistan as
a young woman and the you know, it's a developing country and they have
a lot of challenges for women. In fact, women are somewhat repressed in
their ability to do much of anything other than being a housewife. And her
story is magnificent and I actually selected her. It was encouraged to have her
on Earth Agents because of her willingness to talk about off world types. What
does that mean? UAPs aerial phenomenon offworld's interaction with NASA, And just recently
NASA announced that there they I think they concluded a program. I think it
was NASA, it might have been the Department of Defense related to the Pentagon
said that there's really no evidence of aliens or in the craft in the UAPs
on Earth, and we should just you know, discount this when I hear
that, I'm ashamed, not only that I'm angered that NASA thinks we're idiots.
The Department of Defense, the various branches of the military who regularly track
these craft, thinks that we are not able to handle this. Now,
we've talked about the whole alien interaction and a study that was done in nineteen
sixty, the Brookings Report that was commissioned by NASA to determine how the citizens
of the United States would react to first contact knowledge that we are not alone,
that these UFOs at that time with us what they were called unidentified flying
objects, were manned by alien beings. And if it came out that we
knew about it, that our government was not only aware about it, but
maybe was participating in some kind of exchange or some kind of communications, that
we would lose our mind, religions would falter, government would end, and
people would commit suicide and mastros. I mean, even for nineteen sixty it
seems a little far fetched. But in today's society, and you guys have
heard it many many times with social media, with the interaction with our desire
to reach beyond our own planetary system and look to the stars. We would
love to know that we're not the only one, that we're not the only
ones in our cosmos. I mean, we've heard it from doctor Avy Lobe.
How many times has he told us there's likely there's alien probes there without
saying that there's UAP flying around. He's basically saying, we need to be
transparent. NASA needs to be transparent. So today is very rare to hear
from an aerospace engineer working with NASA and part of a very important space project
that she'll discuss in detail with us today. This is fun. It's a
little departure, but I think you're really gonna like what she has to say.
Hang on to your hat, because towards the end she says some pretty
amazing things. So again, today's program is the quantum being a self sustaining
and magnificent human craft. And my guest is she Nas Sony. I'm always
looking for extraordinary people, and this week on Earth Agents, we have a
fascinating author who has a transformative story and also a lot to say. Her
name is Shanaz Sony. She is a Pakistani who migrated to the United States
as a young woman, and she has written a book called The Quantum being
a self sustaining and magnificent human Craft. And I had to have her on
the program simply because I've seen her in a number of programs and I just
thought that she'd be a good fit, not only because she has a great
story, but she is a NASA Aerospace engineer, and I got to tell
you that's not something that simply falls off the off the chair. It's a
really important role and a very prestigious role. So we want to hear all
about this transformational journey she took. So Shenas, Welcome to Earth Ancient's great
to have you on the program. Thank you, Cliff for this opportunity.
And I'm ready to jump off the cliff with you. You know, I
saw you in a couple of different YouTube channels and doing interviews and you're just
very free to discuss whatever comes up and the whole we're going to talk about
UAPs and the alien intervention that's going on right now, but to be able
to speak freely about that with your interviewer is really great. So I want
to start and discuss and talk about your transformation because this book basically is about
your life and what you have gone through as a Pakistani women. This traditional
lifestyle. Was the book a need to give people a sense of freedom that
they can have and understand that they're not locked into whatever tradition they were born
into, or is it more just I mean give us a sense of why
you wrote the book. That's interesting because initially, so from the day one
when I came to America, I was being asked, you know, because
when I would run into people and I would share any part of myself,
like you know, the culture that I come from, or the religious conservative
upbringing that I had, or sexual trauma that I had, or any of
those things that I would talk asually to other people, they would kind of
say that, oh my god, I've never met anyone like that. So
that trigger was always there, right for like thirty years almost like I've been
here. So I was very aware that people are wanting to me to share
my story. However, when I wrote the book in the year twenty twenty
two, I thought about myself that I'm not an Angelina journey like I'm like
nobody. So if I write a book which is all about my transformation,
people are going to be like, yeah, like who cares? Right,
So I said that I don't want to just write book about my transformation.
I want to share something that no matter what, people are interested in and
it's going to help them. So what I did was I kind of made
this book as more like like it has two parts, two goals in it.
One is Chapter one to four is where I share my life that how
someone like me who was not supposed to go to school became a NAZA rocket
scientist, right, So I covered that in four chapters, and then the
remaining chapters, which is from five to twelve, I cover every single thing
I have learned by going to multiple mystery schools and by being inquisitive, like
I say, like a sunny in the movie I Robot, by having that
kind of a drive and the curiosity, what I have learned and how I
have navigated my life, I share like all those furs in those chapters.
So because to me, it was important that I make this book kind of
you know, like so it can cover the broader audience and it can make
people realize that they actually have a recipe of how to navel amazing life based
on my perspective. Yeah, and your perspective is very unusual. Uh,
not only because of what you've endured, but your perspective has expanded. And
in one part of your book, you say that you believe you feel like
you're not from Earth, like you're perhaps a foreigner, maybe from another planet.
Would you say that's an aspect of reincarnated lifetime or would you say that
that's just how you feel and that you're here to you know, to explore
Earth and get as much as you can out of it. I would say
it's kind of both. I think that the very fact that our DNA does
you know, our DNA can actually contain like the universe in it. They
have done the experiment right that it can store terabyte of information. So if
you really think about it, we do have a lot more stored than we
sometimes bring it to the surface. Similarly, we have all capacity to access
pretty much more for genetic field. So the point is depending on where you
are and how much you want to go into that channel. I was always
living in that channel because I was not accepting my physical reality as my full
life, like I was always wondering what is more to the story, And
because of my creosity and because of my expended way of looking at things.
I was able to bring this type of reality in my life where I've done
all these incredible, dynamic things. And so what I'm saying is that everybody
has access to that curiosity if they choose to. I definitely lived in it,
welled in it, and it wasn't easy being mean me at times,
because especially when you're not satisfied with your surrounding, which is so hardcore strict,
it can make it very challenging because you feel like you're born in a
prison and you want to fly. I mean, it's quite a contrast.
Is reincarnation a known commodity in Pakistan? Does that? I mean, does
there the religion or religions follow that type of a pathway understanding for the most
part, now, like generally Muslims don't emphasize on reincarnation, even though so
I was kind of raised under a Bordha religion, which is like a subset
of Shia, and Shia is a subset of Islam, and according to that
religion, on a surface, they don't really talk about reincarnation, but there
are some levels, you know, because like the it's like some groups you're
in my religion, it was more like the was a teaching that they would
give and it was only for select few. And I had learned that they
do talk about reincarnation, but only to people who are part of that teaching,
right, So it's kind of like a it's like a sacred knowledge,
it's like a hidden jam. So it was never available in that sense.
But when I went to mystery school teaching and when I started understanding consciousness,
when I started understanding that how we come into existence and how we do come
back, at least as far as the soul is concerned, then it kind
of started making reincarnation a lot of sense. But the thing that gets very
interesting is when you look at time differently, because everybody has their own definition
of time, and that's why you know, like the whole reincarnation is always
connected with past tense or past life. And see, I don't look at
time like as a past event, so therefore the whole past to me does
not have to go one on one with reincarnation. I like that in your
book you talk about your ability and to use both mathematics and science, and
as a young woman you had a really great aptitude for this. What did
that do for you? Later on? I mean, you you have that
ability. Obviously you took engineering studies and things like that, but in Pakistan,
is that a plus or a minus for a woman to have that aptitude.
It's an interesting question because for the most part, it depends on what
type of family you're born in and what is going to happen when you grow
up, and you know, if you go to school and if you graduate,
and when you get married, your livelihood and what you're going to do
with that knowledge completely depends on your husband and your in laws, So you
truly don't get to decide. So while you're not married, your dad and
your brother decides everything about what you're going to do with your life. When
you're married, then it's your husband and you know, so basically very patriarchal,
right, for men gets to decide pretty much what's going to happen.
And in general, I have not seen a lot of people like you know,
doing what they wanted or what they dreamt of. And in my case,
I was told by my pragmatic dad that why bother going to school even
when you're going to spend the rest of your life in the kitchen. Oh
boy, it's kind of depressing. It is and right, and and to
me, like you know, I was like, okay. So the other
thing is that there are only few professions that are considered respectful, like being
a lawyer, being a doctor pretty much those two are the only one,
and being a teacher, of course, but it was very limited in terms
of like my possibilities. However, I did not. I did not use
that as a as a driving factor like I wasn't. I have no idea
what's going to happen once I get married, but I wanted to keep going
as far as I could, in spite of the culture and inte of the
dictatorship, in spite of the conservative way of thinking about life for women.
When did you begin following the sacred arts? These mystery schools are? Do
you meditate on a regular basis? Yes, I do, and I actually
call it light body activation, which is what I teach because it's a very
moving meditation, you can say, but it's more for an interactive meditation with
everything around you, and it's something you can do pretty much anywhere. But
if then you do it outside with the sun and the earth, it just
becomes so much more rejuvenating. I would say that I became very actively involved
in understanding the sacred knowledge in January of twenty ten, which is when I
actively said that I need to really dive into the knowledge of what it is.
And I basically looked for a training program locally here and I was able
to find the school which is a center of applied metaphysics, and I basically
learned everything that they could offer, and then I even taught what they could
not offer to other people like Kabbalah, because to me, it was important
that I just keep learning and keep growing, because that's just the way I
am. Yeah, I love that you mentioned that you have a sense of
the ancient technology, the ancient science that forgotten the last sciences of perhaps Egypt.
When you say something like that, does that mean that I mean?
And you actually talk about this in your book. There's a picture of you
stayinings to the Great Pyramid. Do you have a sense and perhaps how they
built the Great Pyramid or the science behind its creation. So I have to
say that everything to do with Egypt, right, the Pyramid, Egypt,
every single thing kind of makes us to realize that how much more we are
than what we think we are. Right, because if you really look at
the watch, the movie like Mummy, like they kind of encapsulate every single
thing that I've learned in the Mystery School's teaching. So what it tells me
is that all the all the basic classical physics that we learn in the school,
or even everything that we're learning in the school right now, truly will
never get us to be living in the time when Egyptians were living with the
pyramid around and with all the incredible you know, like the language that they
spoke and the way they carried themselves, and when you look at all the
arts where they're actually performing energy healing, they're performing energy healing, they're they're
actually pretty much performing magic. If you really don't understand anything, that's the
word you would use. And all of that was embedded in it for thousands
of years ago, right like when you go to Egypt, there was I
don't remember exactly where I was, but I was in one of the temple
and I looked up and I was so surprised when I saw the entire as
you know, the yeah, right, all of that was there as Hathor
temple, isn't it. Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, And
it was all done like it was done with the black background, and it
was so incredible and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking that, you know,
how like you know, depending on who wrote the history, because history
is his story, right, so exact, and everybody wants to, like
you know, come their chest and take all the credits. So it's like,
you know, like like when you listen to Rome and when you listen
to Greek, then they will say, oh, we we discovered it.
But when you really go back in time sometime you realize that it was already
discovered by somebody else. But when you go to Egypt, you pretty much
get a lot of answers because there's just so much there. So what I'm
saying is that based on the way the pyramid is and even now what it
can do, and based on what happened in Egypt thousands of years ago,
which that energy is there when you go in at the perramit you feel it
in your DNA. I do believe that we were more technologically advanced than we
are now. I believe that we're kind of going in the same direction because
you know, everything moves in a circle based on Vedic astrology, right,
it's kind of like we kind of go through all these ages, and we
kind of repeat the cycle. So it's kind of an interesting thing that we
sometimes don't remember all these things even though it's already in us to remember it.
So what I'm saying is that it's more like an accepting of the fact
that we are way more than what meets the eyes, which means that we're
capable of being a human craft, right, being a craft that can ascent,
that can fly, that can make miracle happens, and Parmly exemplifies that.
Do you think it's important that we connect with our ancestors, that the
Egyptians, perhaps the ancient Maya, and not only celebrate their lives, but
maybe try to figure out some of their scientific practices on one hundred percent,
And it's not even like we have to figure it out. Look, as
soon as we connect, I mean, they're like dying for us to connect
with them. As soon as we connect, we interact, and when we
interact, we change. Based on quantum physics, you have already changed all
your trajectory now, and when you change the trajectory and timeline, then you
end up vibrating at the higher frequency. So it happens very instantaneously. But
we have to give ourselves a permission that it's time that we should not live
in this old paradigm and keep dialing the channels. That just makes us feel
like trap and traumatized. Are you somewhat challenge in the fact that you have
been educated in the current physics and sciences, and then when we look to
the ancients, it looks like a completely different physics, completely different science was
was designed to create these functions, you know, the pyramids and things like
that. I mean, it's almost like you said that we're coming to that,
and we talk about the Yugas quite a bit, which is a cyclic
system. We've had people on the program talking about that. Do you see
us connecting with the back to the ancient systems or do we just evolve in
our own way. I think that now with the amount of you know,
with the butterfly effect that's going on, I do believe that we're going to
be teaching our kids all the things that the mystery schools offer, right like
people like me have to go out of my way to learn that. I
do believe that. Actually, it's interesting because I have been coordinating with the
homeschool locally and I'm actually teaching the children who are doing homeschooling the quantum physics
up like quantum physics, right, Jess, Yeah, because to me,
they don't really mind that the children are loving it, and I love that.
So at the end of the day, you know, we are going
to make a difference by saying that we are no longer going to accept what
has been happening, and we're going to make a change by taking an action.
And your prior question was that whether studying classical physics or studying science in
the school kind of limited my capacity to understand or at least make create any
kind of confusion for me. And the answer is no, because see I
never take anything at the face value, which is the reason I have made
this far. So whenever, like even the theory of relativity, when I
look at it, I have converted it into explaining my like body activation that
I explained to my you know, to people that wants to understand that,
because to me, I change whatever. You see something, you have the
capacity to look at it from many different angle because you're a hologram, so
you see, you you can decide like you don't have to take everything like
cause and effect, which is Newton's a lot of motion. Right, I
look at that and I apply it in every aspect of my life. Right,
I'm not going to use that just surely for classical physics. I use
it like cause and effect to me is equal to golden rule, right,
right, what go around comes around. So if you think about it,
so I start, I take whatever where the principles are, and I make
it apply to life because that's just the way I see it. So for
me, like, I have never been limited by these things because I don't
let let it limit me, because I create my own definition of what it
can me be. Yeah, I like that, But I mean, I
guess my question follows the thinking that these current archaeologists and nuts of ptologists cannot
see beyond their education. In other words, they look at the Great Pyramid
and say, oh, this is a tomb. Well, other engineers like
yourself will look at the pyramid and go, wait a minute, there's too
much precision in the way the stones are cut, there's missing parts that may
have been mechanisms inside the pyramid, and so forth and so on. So
we're left with the people who have a limited vision who are writing in our
history. And this is the real problem that we have. What do you
say to that, No, I agree with that, and I agree with
that, And a lot of times people are so attached to kind of that
same linear thinking that in that process, you know, they have to really
have a lot of like explanation right to kind of pick up one pieces.
I don't dwell into that because to me, it makes no sense. How
can you be so linear when you are when you are, like when you've
seen your life that nothing linear really works. Like if you really look at
your life, think about it. When you wake up and you make a
plan for whatever you're going to do, even if you have everything like on
a schedule, does it ever happen exactly the way you plan from the beginning
to end? Yeah, yesn't right. So the fact of the memory that
nothing really is black and white, and I truly don't understand why some people
get so attached to it. And yeah, and the interesting thing about Egypt
is that people who have been very attached and then you're thinking, they are
also able to get surprised, right with the fact that the tools that were
used. The tool had a precision like a laser. And that is impossible,
especially when you when you make an assumption that the time. At that
time, they didn't have the technology. So see, there are lots of
assumptions because when you go to Egypt and you look at all the drawings they
have, they actually have drawings of crafts, they have a like drawings of
flying crafts, they have a drawing of astronauts. So there are things that
you look at and then you wonder that how did they already have all that
when we just in the last one hundred years we are doing these things.
Yeah, And the thing that is challenging for people who see outside the box
is that if you question these so called authorities, they get very angry at
you. And if you're a representative of the archaeological community and you start thinking
outside the box, you lose your tenure as a professor, you're belittled.
It's just like it's really a challenge right now to be thinking outside the box.
Right. So I think that that just goes back to everything right now,
Like it's to me, it's like when anybody is going to create,
limit you through the fear, right because they're limiting you through the fear then
and if you're buying through the fear, then you're limiting yourself. So I
think at the end of the day, we all have to start choosing that
if I want to do something, then should I do that with or without
this infrastructure? Right? And I think that ultimately more people start making the
right choices, then this infrastructure is not going to be able to hold itself
because it's a supply and demand. Right. The reason you have a fast
food is because you're eating a fast food, right, Exactly, talk about
being a quantum bean, what does that mean? That's the title of your
book, But what are the aspects of that and what is this transformational path
to reach your quantum being? So the reason I chose that title is because
I was converging the very fact that you know, from a scientist standpoint,
quantum physics answers most of a question about our existence, and based on that,
we at the subatomic level are all the same, every one of us
actually, whether even you include the extraterrestrial right, everybody at the subotomic level
kind of can be decomposed into the dance of moving electron or photon. Because
I feel like if you really look ourselves under the microscope and what exactly is
the driver for our existence? Then that ends up boiling down to that,
so when you use the quantum laws on electron or photon, then you can
use the same law on the human being. The thing about human being is
that we do have a soul which kind of ends up creating that consciousness that
can make us truly do the right kind of a quantum dance, which means
that when you look at the electron, you affect the electrons. So that
means that if you add the consciousness in your equation of human right, then
you can actually be the quantum being rather than human being, which means that
being a quantum being, you can pretty much decide the destiny of your electron
and photon, is what I'm saying. And because of that, you get
way more power in your life given back to you rather than taken away from
Because anybody who comes to you and says, oh, I have no choice,
then that person is not the quantum be Boy, that's amazing. We're
finishing up with Kali yuga right now, which is kind of the dark phase
in the Hindu yoga system, But what you're talking about looks like the other
end where we're kind of more tapped into subtle energies and the ability to see
beyond our own vision, would you say the quantum being is what we can
look forward to as an evolutionary being one hundred percent because we are becoming more
and more aware of the fact that we have so much more capacity to do
beyond our comprehension, I mean our younger generation right now. And even though
like I have four boys, and all of my boys have been very game
oriented, like they were extremely brilliant video game player, which is why one
of my son actually because of that, he ended up creating a complete like
he found his tribe while he was playing a video game, and he actually
has created a life using the same principle where right now he's running a business
and doing better than anybody I know at a very young age. So the
point of the story is that he's created that life based on the quantum principle.
Like he did not follow the norm that you would you know, like
that people would say you should go to college, you should get a degree,
then you should get a job. He didn't do any of that,
and he completely bypassed all of it and he already started having a life where
he basically had all the access to material life. And then he said that
now he's already bored and he wanted to retire. So the point is he
did all of that and he just turned I mean he's just turned twenty four.
So the point is he's already lived all of that because he's moving so
fast. And what I'm saying is that's the way we are going. Like
our younger generation has so much to teach us because they are not going to
follow, like, you know, like you go and work in a corporate
world, you give your life for thirty forty years, then you retire,
and then you take your you know what I mean. Like it's a very
slow, very a stuck way of living. And quantum means that like whenever,
like I think about anything, whenever I even have a coaching session one
on one with people and then they say that, you know, I would
love to learn light body activation. And then they say, once I learned
that, maybe then I'll become the most amazing person. So I tell them,
do you want to learn it? Really? And they're like yeah,
I'm like okay, let's do it. They're like what right now? I'm
like, yeah, that's the quantum way. Like it's not like you have
to wait for anything. You just do what you want to do and attract
that right now. I love that freedom that you're expressing it because we're all
kind of like programmed by our parents. You got to go this way,
follow this path, follow this path. And what you're saying is, you
know what, start a business and then stop it and then start another,
you know, the adventure. So have multiple dimensions of your of your life
exactly because at the end of the day, the thing is that you're continuously
learning and growing and evolving, and there's nothing that's really like a failure because
failure is just a perception because at the end of the day, every single
thing collects that gold does that you need to take that step in your Jacob's
ladder, the next step, the next step, the next step, and
that's how that's how we do this quantum dance. Yeah, amazing. You
have some fascinating things to say as an aerospace engineer for NASA, and I'm
curious about your opinion on UAPs because this is not going away, although the
American government doesn't want anybody to really know about it and they continually try to
cover it up. What's your feeling on the UAP phenomenon. Well, so
basically it's the unmanned aerial phenomena. Right, that's what the acronym stands for.
And just like we have a lot of creatures under the ocean, right
because ocean is very vast, Similarly, space is very vast, and we
have creatures in the space. The very fact that you know, we have
a lot of Generally, like you know, military always ends up having more
technological access to more technological items, you know, that are more advanced.
They're able to keep a good lid on things that can make us not see
certain things, right, Like for example, you know, you can make
sure that before something gets visible to more human beings, it can be dissipated
or it can be kind of disintegrated before you can even get there. You
see my point. So there's that going on. I personally think that now,
like in the last three years especially, you have had people come to
me send me pictures of things that they saw that made no sense. I
personally had my own examples when I was in Florida and even in my right
by my house, I saw something that made no sense. So at the
end of the day, what's happening is that people who are already expanding their
consciousness by doing things by outside the box that everything that I share in my
book, for example. As soon as you do that, what's going to
happen is that you are going to be able to create the opening in the
way you're going to perceive information. You're going to be able to see things
that may have been blocked before. Because it's like if you follow the linear
paradigm, right, if you follow the dictatorship paradigm, then you're not going
to see something that because you are so much into this indoctrination that you're not
going to see it. You see, But when you say, you know
what, I just want to be free, I want to be breathing,
I want to be living, I want to just I want to open the
door to see what is out there. As soon as you say that,
you start experiencing them. So yeah, So the point is what I'm saying
is, yeah, they do exist. They are basically there, just because
everything else under the ocean is there, like rights as above, so below
we have intelligence all around us, and the only thing is we have to
open their door to be able to see them and to validate them. The
thing you've mentioned earlier that a lot of archaeologists are worried about losing their job,
so that's why they don't go outside the box. It's the same thing
going on in the space phenomena that people are only coming out and sharing what
they've seen after they have retired, after they're like near death, you know.
Yes, yes, We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return quickly with my guest today,
Shanna's Sony, discussing her new book, The Quantum Being. Will be right
back. My guest today is Shanaz Sony. She has written a new book
on her journey from Pakistan to the United States and now is a aerospace engineer
for NASA, and we're going to hear shortly about the new projects that she
is working on. Aren't you concerned about being outspoken about? And by the
way, u APS's the new term for UFOs right, Unidentified flying aerial phenomenon
UAP. I think that, you know, like the Pentagon and the military
is looking at it with that change in brand name to uap as. What
is the physics behind the machine that's flying? But the bigger question is who
are the beans, where are they from? What is their intent here?
On Earth, and that's what I'm interested in your opinion, And I'm wondering
if you ever get because you're outspoken. Now, if what are your bosses
were to watch us to go, We're going to need to talk to her.
That's kind of funny because I'm actually going to speak on my book The
Quantum being on the next Monday at NASA's facility, if I'm to give me
the opportunity to do that. So just imagine that they have no idea what
they're getting into, right, respond, so you know it's okay, so
I'll answer. So there are multiple questions, but okay, So even right
after Alex Ferrari's interview, right, I did, and I was very open
about by expression. And I had one of my friends texted me and said
that you need to get a lawyer, because she was like completely like right,
And I'm thinking that because I already think about these things beforehandr Right,
Like I know, and I always tell people too that you always have a
choice. So for me, what is the worst thing that's going to happen,
Cliff, is that if somebody watches this interview from NASA and then they
say, okay, we have a come to Jesus movement, right, and
then I hop to them, let's say, and then decision asks you can't
do these podcasts because you know this is not right for us, and you
know whatever. For example, now I have a choice because remember I told
you you always have a choice. So I have a choice to say no
to something that I find passionate about because I want to keep my job.
I have a choice to do that. Right. I also have a choice
to say, you know what, if you're going to limit me from my
expansion, then I'm going to find somebody who doesn't and that's what I choose.
Wow, that's I love that, but wow, you know that's that's
like a major decision to be made if you're if you're given that choice.
You said something that I found was fascinating in another interview. You somehow you
got this information that you had found out that from the very beginning of any
kind of uh uh space program with the Americans had employed that there were always
UAPs or UFOs around the launch sites. Can you talk a little bit about
that, because when you said that, I was like, that's that what?
Right? There is like the biggest secret kept under wraps, you know
what? I mean yeah, and I mean I'm I guess it was something
that I didn't even think about that it was a secret because I live in
a different world. But yeah, basically what has happened is that whenever we
had to launch the missile for testing and things like that, you know,
like at the Air Force base. And I'm not just going to give the
name because I'm trying to keep some information secret we have, I had engineers
come to me and then they would say that they saw something that was kind
of going in a way in like with the speed that there's no craft that
we've ever made that can go to that speed. So they basically would say
that they had a sighting of you can say UEP right because that basically was
flying right when they're about to perform the when they're about to launch you know,
a missile for example, for testing or anything like that. So they
would see it and then they would come to me and they would say that
we just I just I just cannot believe that what it is, like they
were wondering, so they didn't know whom to share it. So they come
to me because they know that I'm not going to completely question them or make
them think that they have lost their mind because I had people come to me
and then we would say that, you know, I you know, I
heard my dad, you know, speaking to something that didn't look like a
human, and I was told to go in my room, but I sneaked
in and I saw it like people would tell me these stories that they wouldn't
be able to tell anybody because they knew that I will hold the space for
them. So yes, and as I said, I personally had my own
experience and not only that, there has and even though weather is always a
very big determination factor of whenever we launch any kind of rocket, at the
same point, you have seen how unpredictable weather is, right from any perspective.
In the morning, they can decide the whether to be a certain way,
and they completely do everything to get everything ready, and the weather changes
like like completely, like that's why we had so many times we have to
scrub the launch because if everything would happen exactly the baby plan, we would
never have to scrub the launch ever. But it doesn't work like that.
So what I'm saying is, yes, one hundred percent, there is an
intervention there. And then going back to your earlier question where you were wondering
that who are they? What is who are they? Curious? If you
have any sense because if you're I mean, and I don't know how far
into this you can get into, but if you you know, if they
land close to a launch area and they get out and look, or they're
flying along side the missile or whatever, that would be mind blower. That
is true. So I have to say that, like, okay, so
based on based on you know, I mean, I'm very much into sci
fi because sci fi is where I get all my news. But I'm just
kidding. But the point, I mean, I'm really mean, I really
mean it. Okay. So the point is that if you really think about
it, that you know, like the whole past, present, and future,
right, that we kind of put it in a separate category. But
just imagine all of us have our future, like basically our future aspect that
exists that can actually communicate with our present, especially because of the technological advancement.
So what I'm saying is that what we're interacting with in the form of
something that we don't understand could be many things, but one of them could
be that it is our future self we're interacting with, right and whenever you
say that, Okay, we want to know what their intention is. Basically,
when you read chapter six in my books, that law applies in every
aspect of our existence. Right, so it kind of the answer when you
ask a question, the answer is always there. Right. So if you
say, I wonder what their intention is, well what is your intention?
You see? Because you know when you watch the movie like Avatar, have
you noticed that how like generally they show that people who have all the access
to technology, people who have all the access to power, what do they
do? They're always making all their decisions from their ego? Are they ever
making decisions from their from their divine self? Are they ever making decisions to
kind of really say, let me understand it. It's all about let me
use my weapons so I can prove them that who is the big daddy here?
You see my point, it's a very it's a very broken mindset.
So I mean, that's what I'm trying to also mention is the fact that
with the American military it's shoot first then greet later, or that to me,
God needs to change and the only way it's going to change is that
we don't keep working for somebody who wants to just run on their ego.
We're going to have to make that change. We all have to look inside
ourselves and really make some hard choices, because it's time that we don't keep
doing things just because we're fearful, Because what's the use of living when you
are not even living for yourself? Yeah, it's weird. I mean I'm
curious as to your thinking. I mean, if our military has great knowledge
of these alien craft and they're close to these launch areas, you know,
do they have they I mean, there's a big rumor that some of the
early presidents, Eisenhower's one of them, had an agreement with the alien group
that we will be here, but if you don't want us to say hello
to the public, we won't. But that to me, and I'm really
curious about your opinion on this. If we just do not disclose this openness
of these alien civilizations to meet with us, and we're constantly hiding this information,
doesn't that damage us evolution wise? I mean, I think as soon
as we meet an alien civilization, we automatically evolve because we know that we're
not the only ones in our cosmos. That is very true. So right
there, you gotta get your answer right, that ultimately, what is the
goal? Right, Because whoever is protecting you or hindering you right from any
kind of information, then what is the intention? Right? Because it's all
about like to me, whenever you are like, I mean, it all
boils down to power and control, right in general, Like whenever people are
hiding something from the other person, there's always a fear operating underneath. Right,
what is that fear? Right? What are you fearful? That if
all of the human beings knows everything right that's really really going on, all
of us will become extremely amazingly powerful. And then we're not going to be
listening to these limited leaders and they're not going to have like fun as much
as they're getting fun from all the excitement that they get because of our trauma
or because of our you know, because of the our emotional turmoil. Right.
Yeah, Yeah, you're tapping into the control issue and you're sensitive to
that because you had this and as your child. So you're like, I
can see you're trying to control. You're trying to control, and you know
that is exactly where the choice and control, right, I mean, think
about all of these words. Right, So at the end of the day,
what I'm saying is that, like you know, our fear is the
reason we let our selves be controlled by other people. You know. I
actually have a quotation in my book right which says that if I I wanted
to be controlled, I would have come with a remote. That's hilarious.
As we conclude the whole idea behind UAP's UFOs and the alien beings, can
you project a time when we do have a general meeting or an understanding because
I don't know what to believe anymore. There's so many rumors about underground bases
and working with alien groups, but not expressing it to the public because they'll
be wanting to kill themselves. I mean, do you know about the Brookings
Institute document that was written in nineteen sixty It was requisitioned by the NASA to
find out how people would react to first contact. Wow, no, I'm
not sure. So anyhow, this document was requisitioned and it's basically very sad.
It said that religions would freak out, people would jump out of buildings,
they couldn't deal with it, people would want to kill themselves if there
was knowledge of an alien race. But it was written in it was more
acquisitioned in nineteen sixty and it feels like they're still following that. Yeah,
that is an interesting thing because if you really think about it, right,
like when you look at the world and look at the chaos and look at
what happened, even when in twenty twenty, right, the whole COVID thing
happened. Yeah, if you really think about it, like you know,
at the end of the day, like it's almost like whoever is making these
decisions, they don't really have faith in themselves because you have to have a
faith in yourselves to project it outwards. And yeah, everybody is not ready
for everything. That is very true. But the very fat that for the
last one hundred years, people are questioning a lot of things, right,
that has been not properly given. I personally think that there's always pros and
cons of everything, But isn't it better? It's almost like, you know,
if you're not in a happy marriage and you keep on living in that
marriage, right, who are you lying to? You're actually aligned to yourself.
Yeah, so that rule applies on every aspect of existence. So to
me, the more honest you are, Yeah, there are repercussions of honesty
because it doesn't look as pretty as it was looking before. Maybe it may
not look as pretty, but ultimately, you know the universe, and based
on the laws of sacred geometry, everything wants to ultimately be aligned, ultimately
be harmonious, ultimately be coherent. So yeah, we will struggle. Of
course, we will have a struggle time. And those are the times when
people like Cliff, you and me can help you know the masses right so
that they can integrate the information. But that's just the way it is with
everything. I mean, look at all the mess that we already have created
without having any alien involved. You you hinted at a colleague watching a parent
speaking with an alien. Can you talk a little more about that or any
experience or any other colleagues having a one to one interaction. Well, what
it what it did to me was that it kind of confirmed the the species.
You know, we call it grace right, that species does exist.
And it was actually partly almost like we were the conduit in creating them,
because they actually do have the capacity to sustain you know, long space travel
physical physically, on a biological level, they can take a long flight.
Okay, yeah, exactly, So then that kind of is an interesting point
of view because you know, a lot of times people are asking me now
that why am I part of the Artemis mission, like why am I doing
something with NASA? Like while we have how much challenge is going on on
Earth? And I tell them that I am open to, you know,
working on whatever project cites me right now. Yeah, I am definitely working
on Artemis. And I do believe that us truly going and living on a
moon and ultimately colonizing Mars is going to help us expend our understanding of the
other beings that have been already working with us, because we won't be able
to make this happen if you're not working together. Wait wait, wait,
wait, you said that other beings that are already helping us. Now,
what do you mean by that? Just in general? Like my whole thing
is that, just like I said about the weather right and the launch of
the rocket, My point is that we are at the very higher level conglamorting
with other star beings, right, because we wouldn't be able to go to
Moon after fifty years if you don't do that. So you're saying that on
some level consciously and unconsciously, we're receiving data from these off world types.
We one hundred percent. I mean all of us are, and especially our
leaders who are already aware of them. They are definitely working with them,
right, because that is just the way that is definitely happening in the background,
right. We just don't know all the details because it hasn't been broadcasted
by a Putin or any of the president yet. Well, are you saying
that some of your engineers who are plotting the ornymous program have are working with
off world types? No? No, no, I mean I'm okay,
So I'm not making a statement in that sense, because I'm just saying in
general, the beings are here. They have always been here. All of
us are interacting with them at one way or the other. Whether you know
it or not, that's completely up to you. We are all interacting similarly
when we make major decisions like when when the decision to live on a moon
is a pretty major decision for human beings. When you make a decision like
that, and if you are able to do that, it's partly because the
entire universe wants you to do it, not just human species. Oh I
hear you, an evolutionary kind of thing. Exactly, yeah, exactly,
So that's exemplifies that you're working with a power that hasn't been you know,
been made aware to the masses. Rooke briefly about the Artemist program. What's
the goal for that and what's the long term projection for completion? Okay,
so I'll definitely do that. I have to hop on another meeting in five
minutes, but I'll do my best. So Artemis mission is basically Apollo twin
Sister Artemis. This mission is all about the first woman to walk on the
Moon first. So that's why woman is going to walk. Yeah, oh
right, okay, and it's going to happen in twenty twenty six, I
believe September that's the scheduled date. And we are going to do Artemist too.
Mission in twenty twenty five. We did the first one when we did
the launch of the SLS rocket, which was to make sure that the SLS,
which is one of the most heaviest rocket ever built, was able to
go to the lunar orbit. The reason for these missions are just like International
Space Station will build up in the space in a multiple flights, Artemis is
the same way. There are multiple missions. Right now, I'm working on
the Artemists three mission. We already launched the first. We're going to do
the second one in one year. These missions are like a Jacob's ladder.
They are built on top of each other. So every mission you add more
goals to it. So the third is the first mission where it's going to
be manned mission. That's a woman is going to walk on the moon first,
and then the man and then the two astronauts will stay there for one
week, and then Artemis fourth that they're going to stay for a longer time
period, and Artemis five and then more players are added, like more companies
are added, more, you know, like so it's it's a very big
giant cardy that we're going to do h and it's the international crowd because we
have you know, European Space Agency in Wall, we have SpaceX invall,
we have Boeing invalld, Lockheed Martin involved, right, So it just it's
a pretty expensive party. Are you going to build anything on the lunar surface
or just land and walk around. The third mission is all about learning to
survive there for one week. However, we're going to be sending the commercial
payloads, which is going to be all unmanned and then they're going to create
the entire surface asset so that way we can live on it and colonize Moon.
So all of that is going to be happening on a regular basis.
And so yeah, the whole idea is to be able to create water and
fuel and use their resources. And how exciting for you to be a part
of that. That must be just I would want to get up every day
and go run to work. Well, that's why, that's why I dwell
into all these words, because it's so much fun. Right now, my
meeting at two o'clock is all about Moon to Mars architecture that we are actually
creating for this Artemis mission. The books call the Quantum being. My guest
today has been Shana's Sonny. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. I'm going to
put the book for everybody to see. There's the book and it's been out
now you can get it on Amazon. Do you have a website that people
can go to to learn more about you or what's your story on you?
Yes? So my website is my first name, last name dot com Shanas
Sony, which is written down there and one word dot com and you'll find
everything about my group classes and about my one on one coaching and the book.
And I'm working on my audio right now. I'm narrating it myself because
so many people are asking for it, and it's going to come out soon.
As soon as I submit that. Are you I'm just going to ask
you if you had an audible version of it, but good for you.
I'm working on it because Alex gave me that action, and that's my that's
my highest priority right now. Shana's what a pleasure, And thank you for
your time and your openness. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you,
Cliff, and enjoy and yep, let the journey continue. Thank you.
I was listening to that while we were doing the edit and thinking,
is she gonna get in trouble? She's not gonna get a call into an
administrative office and they're gonna say, what are you talking about? I hope
she You know, she's so fresh and so unique, and it's extremely rare
to have a NASA Aerospace engineer speak in the fluidity and also talking about metaphysical
subjects consciousness, reality, creation and of course the alien interactions. And you
guys have been following along for years and you know, how it is.
It's like they're here, These star beings are here. Are Native Americans and
Native of people know about it and have communicated and worked with them, But
on the big stage, we're not allowed. We're not getting the details,
We're not able to be a part of it, and I'm just tired of
it. I'm like, come on, now, it's time. It's time
we need to transition out of the repression and the cover up and start letting
people know about it. That was fun. You're probably going, Cliff,
what were you thinking? I hope you enjoyed it. Just as a note.
Our next guest next week is Maria Wheatley, who has written a new
book on Stonehenge, but not just Stonehenge. She has written a ton about
the anatomical anomalies of the race who built Stonehenge. And just to give you
a highlight, these people have had extremely large heads, long heads, much
more brain capacity than we did, and it doesn't necessarily make them more intelligent.
But what Maria discusses is a being that was able to tap into the
unseen, the unseen lyric fields, the unseen energy fields, and what they
did with it is kind of unique. So we're got that's you know,
that's our program next week. So coming up, coming up, coming up.
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