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We continue to luxuriate post tonh.
I mean I need a breather, like

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a three month breather. Yeah.
Well, we're working on it because the

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goddamn mail bag is so full and
so long since we've paid appropriate attention that

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you know, non TNH missives that
are constantly coming into the lapse fan at

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gmail dot com. And there's one
key reason we're going on ten years here

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doing the show. It's because we
stop at nothing to pay appropriate tribute to

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the people who take the time to
listen to and support us. Because of

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people like you, that's exactly correct, and because of people like Fred,

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Oh you damn right. At the
tail end of this episode, a little

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special treat for the Solar System.
If you care to stick around, we

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sure hope you do an interview with
Fred from the Solar System, who you

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may know by his um wrestling persona, the Purple Parrot. The Purple Parrot

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has had I believe a pair of
matches against someone you know well in boss

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Atkisson. Is that right? Well
one, they've had one matches, but

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their paths have cross on a number
of occasions, so it's it's a there

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is some there is some bad blood
between the I try to get in the

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middle of it. Um. You
know, I try to keep my relationships

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with both of them separate. But
you know, things happen over in the

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Renaissance Rumble. And Fred recently made
an absolute smash flying the TLF flag at

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least we like to think of it
that way, on the set of the

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institutional game show Wheel of Fortune.
Yes, Fred had an amazing showing winning

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his initial absence. The Wheel of
Fortune was on his side, apparently,

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so and h and also was invited
back for a fan favorite sort of sequel

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run at the show. And he's
a lifetime game show enthusiast and a long

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time TLF supporter, and we're going
to bring you an interview with him about

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the experience of getting on Wheel of
Fortune and what it's like and why he

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did it and what he had to
go through and what you see when you're

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on set, the questions you've come
to expect from TLF. When we've got

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that adjacent edge, when we've got
that adjacent way in right, you crack

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that door open a little bit,
we'll walk through it. Absolutely, We're

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not going to do the work to
open the door. But if it's open,

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yep. You know, we may
make exceptions in terms of the general

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non interview vibe around here, and
we're proud to make an exception for Fred

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because, um, he really did
this all proud and yeah, made quite

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an impact. You may have seen
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coverage of his appearance on Wheel of
Fortune because Pat say Jack boss right

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put him in the chicken wing to
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I mean he Thank god that that. Fred's not fucking Hulk Hogan's we

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were you doing an excellent question piece
of ship brother. The good thing he

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didn't do that in w W Weekly, But um, you know, there's

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nothing more lapsed fan than Fred mentions
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fan, and that comes to be
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has with the man. Like you
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direction, you meet somebody, you
start going in one direction, and a

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moment that you say you're a wrestling
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that is the new direction forever,
which is how all they can see.

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Right. If Fred told Pat Say
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do you think he would have shoulder
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it's also a very uniquely lapsed experience
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I can actually identify another way too, because I think of it. Uh

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whenever whenever I see your father in
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Oh sure, yeah, absolutely,
that's you know, it's something about

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that guy, something about fucking car
from the car Fox my guy. Yeah,

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yeah, that's great, all right, yes, fucking twelve years ago.

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You know, it's about Fred,
and it's about the solar system.

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Yes, it's mailbag time, and
we have opened the mail bag a couple

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of times for TNH specific letters.
A couple of times we did as great

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feedback came in on that journey that
just concluded. But there's a lot of

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other sort of odds and ends,
which is of course where the solar system

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truly excels. Indeed, and we've
got so much to say celebrate. We've

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got so many people that have jumped
on board at patreon dot com slashed the

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lapsed fan to add some some oil
to this machine. There we go to

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be the ones that enable the things
they love instead of just take take,

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take take, and suck off of
them. And yeah, without a community

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like we have on Patreon, we
don't do the show and podcasting sucks loss

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right, agreed, So let us
continue to light the way here and waste

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no time in doing so. Again, it's patreon dot com slash the lapsed

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fan. We don't need to run
through everything. But you do know the

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Moat Tier just got an amazing treat
and that we went to Blood and Guts.

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We watched the latest addition to the
art of war games, The Boss

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and I in person at the TD
Garden and only Moat Tier members got the

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call Boss. Yep, that's right, that's right there. You know that

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those kinds of special engagements, that
that's where it really pays. That's where

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we keep. And of course Russell
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We've got a little cinemat which has
been absolutely roaring this year, The Punisher

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with Kevin Nash, the most recent
episode that available to the twenty dollars and

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above Tim and hey, you know, I keep, I'll say, we

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keep, we keep inching towards the
big the bidding, and I'm very very

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excited. I think it's gonna be
it's gonna be a doozy and uh that's

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man is has it been fun under
the cinema this year? So much,

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so much stuff being worked through,
so many you know, potential avenues,

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probably ourselves of course. The live
calls are yours each and every month as

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we watch modern WWC. You don't
have to coming up. The twenty twenty

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three installment of Summer Slam, which
is always a big one on the calendar,

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will be up from patrons for that
and um and so much more.

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Of course the show as well on
Patreon. When Summer Slam the first weekend

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of August, the Saturday is always
Nick constrain, So Saturdays at least one

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Saturday month now belongs to Nick con
If you want to consider yourself a wrestling

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fan, good luck with what a
con al right, and that'll Kappa hot

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laps summer in so many ways.
Let's good the mail bag. Let's turn

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it over to the solar system and
in the end, stay tuned for our

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interview with Fred at the tail end. Now we're going to go all the

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way back to guess what month bus
It's got to be something from last year,

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No, oh, November, as
Carlo writes regarding the freedom of infinite

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choice versus the safety of gate keeping
curators. We talk about this all the

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time. Yes, a parallel can
be made to a study of playground fences.

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This I did not know. Oh, apparently a study of playground fences

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that kids play on playgrounds. I
didn't know that there were studies about playground

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fences concluded that the overwhelming conclusion was
that with a given limitation, children felt

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safer to explore a playground. You
see, without offense. The children were

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not able to see a given boundary
or a limit, and thus we're more

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reluctant to leave the caregiver. With
a boundary, in this case, the

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fence, the children felt at ease
to explore the space. They were also

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able to separate the caregiver and continue
to develop in their sense of self while

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still recognizing that they were in a
safe environment within the limits of the fence.

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Or something to be said for that. You know, you know who

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else is better off when they have
a fence? Is that a thief.

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Carlo also writes, infinite choice makes
us more insular, more isolating, not

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less so. Whenever you feel like
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realize that that has a lot more
downsides than it does upsides, less

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likely to leave our caregiver. He
mentions in this case the childhood and stalgia,

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warmth and safety, dre, I
say, happiness of a simpler time

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with more and more content feeding my
insatiable desire for comfort. The history of

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the world is in my hands every
day, and I favor what is close.

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Are we talking talking about how when
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on television or what is rebroadcast to
the wider world and a user generated content

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hustle, that we all live in
this dystopias. Yes, we're all happier.

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We're happier when somebody says, you
know you don't have infinite choice,

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absolutely select from the menu, please
and stop listening. There is a reason.

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There is a reason why you hear
from any like when when When When

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you're a parent and you're wondering,
you know how to fucking you know why

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your kids fucking going crazy? It's
always due to structure. When they're told

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what to do. Yes, don't
think you have free will. Free will

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is the end of your existence.
You need to be told what to do,

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what to watch, when to watch
it, when to go to work,

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when to come home from work,
when to fuck the whole thing?

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Yes, wasn't it. I think
it was mad about you. Paul Riiser

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got in trouble because it was it
Helen Hunt right his his coast. Yeah.

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She finds out that like his his
random like romantic like entreaties correlated perfectly

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with a certain thing being on television. She was trying to give them all

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kinds of credit for being spontaneous,
and she realized it was like the most

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simply scheduled a thing possible because wait
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he made a pass at her or
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of course you need that structure,
even if it's spontaneity. And and by

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the way, what the fucking thing
is? What is? What is cool?

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What's going to work? What's not
going to work? Come on?

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And if you think you're a free
will guy, I just realized all those

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videos you're watching, um, you
realize you need to be told what to

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do with your free will as well? Yes, yes, right, give

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me a guide here. So Carlo
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my hands every day, and I
favor what it's close. What is safe,

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familiar. Yes, in a world
of infinite choice, I spend my

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time spinning my wheels on old pro
wrestling and secret in private exactly because of

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and as a reaction to, the
lack of boundaries. I'm old enough to

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remember a time of curator's experts gatekeepers, and I hated it condescending, lowest,

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infinite choice, mainstream bullshit. But
it was that boundary that gave me

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the freedom to explore christ I was
a Dustoyevsky scholar under that regime that But

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to be fair, as there are
infinite choices, there are also a maze

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of infinite fences. And within this
playground, TLF has allowed me to explore

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the depth of postmodern reality and history
inside the fence of the quote unquote pro

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wrestling industry as a reaction against it
that can only happen from within the WCCW

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journey. Is is it riching and
enlightening? As the brothers Caram's off,

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I know it used to be better
and it will never be the same.

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And so far as the world is
one big wrestling promotion, the booker is

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dead. Now we have a bunch
of fake fighters, all claiming with equal

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standing that they are in fact,
the champion of the world as a bad

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booker, worse than no booker at
all. It's the question, Carl,

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will we thank you? That's that's
letter, that's that's that's that's a great

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that's a great question. That's that's
the heart of the matter. That is

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it. That's why we love feedback
shows because it doesn't let us take our

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eye off the ball of like what
it says about us that we do this

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show, and what it says about
you that you'll listen to it and support

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it with your money. I can't
run away from that. How about Jordan,

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He's got a great headline of great
seventy mine thank you for feeding an

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unhealthy obsession. That's right, High
co Chairs. I've been a dedicated listener

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and Patreon subscriber for a few years
now, and I'm a huge fan of

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your deep and extensive work. Your
podcast has been the friend to share a

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pro wrestling discussion with on a level
that just hits right, thoughtful and sophomoric.

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Brother, Brother, I am a
professional in the world of work.

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Yeah, we wrestlers. Yeah,
that's fucking Vegas Jesus Christ, and my

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love of pro wrestling is a shameful
cross to bear. It must be hidden

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for one's own sense of self.
For example, I've recently started a new

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job, and I've been hit with
the classic intro questions such as, what

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are you doing your spare time?
So, naturally, that's such a tough

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question for a wrestling fan. Man, Oh my god, what's your hobby?

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Oh don't even know? Ye,
yeah, when you do for fun?

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I watched TV. What do you
watch on TV? Well, I

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don't want to talk about it,
So naturally, I said, I take

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a cast about bluffing brawls and spurious
scuffles deep in my ass for hours per

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week. No, of course I
didn't. I'm an adult trying to avoid

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being labeled in the workplace as a
bit odd. So I said, sport

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and movie history podcasts. Oh,
not necessarily alive. Very true. I

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do live under the cinemat so that
truly is a movie history history podcast.

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But you also notice I said podcasts
plural. How can you explain to someone

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outside of our little nostalgia bubble here
in the Solar system that you simply listen

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to a podcast for hours and hours
and hours. Anyway, I do love

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what you do, and thank you
for your ongoing high quality research and output.

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That patron subscription subscription is truly earned. What I wanted to email you

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about was that Jack you mentioned you
did a paper in college on wrestling.

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You did? Um, I did
a paper high school on wrestling. All

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right, everybody you did. It's
called the valedictory, right exactly? Now,

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It's always it's always a very easy
lay up. Oh you know what

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I did? Do? I did? I did a presentation about the parallels

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between wrestling and a Brazilian Cup away
at home, which is dance. Did

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you did you really? Yeah?
That's fure studies like you have to study

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like traditions that date back before like
modern society. And wow, you see

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what you did there is you you
took You took a modern you know construct,

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and you related it to something that
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cultural No. Yeah, I just
have like a full bodied and cynical understanding

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of wrestling, so I can write
par anything I need to get through the

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assignment. Oh god, um and
reminded me that I also did this in

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university here in Scotland. I went
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a couple of years after he did. We never met in Uni, but

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we did have the same lecturer at
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project with a lot of scope to
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wished, so at Crowbar, No
not divon wrestling into we could done with

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Crowbar too, or repo man wrestling
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my paper ideas in an open discussion
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having in the course, and how
he was doing at the time, etc.

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But it was a conversation with the
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general public when they end up somehow
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fair to the lecturer, he was
very open minded, and the paper actually

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got a decent grade. Here's some
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given your amusement at barth etc.
Oh my god, the title what is

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it? Boss pro Wrestling in the
Theory of Civilizing? Oh baby, now

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we're getting started. I mean,
I mean, that's a fucking that's it.

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You've won me right there. And
is it possible to read this without

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smoking a cigarette or is that no, I've I mean, I've got one

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going here with a you know,
like the classic cigarette holder as well,

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So I get the law barth thing
never fails. Man. As soon as

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you hear like a university type talk
about wrestling, it's just the countdown is

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on to They mentioned bar every single
time, and in fact you're better off

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mentioning at first, so it makes
it seem like you're more of a of

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a scholar than just a fool who
likes fake sports. One of the key

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elements and the theories of now but
Elias of civilizing, and this is the

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concept that there is a constant refinement
and improvement of technology is man as rules,

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laws and morals. It also suggests
that pre modern age sanctions were controlled

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by external bodies, but through the
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moving inwards. Professional wrestling currently has
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this is so peculiar in relation to
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fundamentals of pro wrestling. It is
recognized as possibly the oldest sport in the

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world, along side running, but
it's moved from legitimate competition to spectacle where

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combatants work together to create the illusion
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another. In regular society, carn
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In the world of pro wrestling,
these deviant tanks are welcomed by its

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fans, who allowed themselves to be
calmed. They bought tickets knowing exactly what

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they were going to witness. With
civilizing, why would people let themselves be

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calm? With civilizing? Why would
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very good question, and furthermore,
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Pro wressling's popularity it could be claimed
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civilizing. With an increase in the
sensation send sensization towards towards violence. It

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allows for a sophisticated theatrical representation of
the violent urges were oppressed by social morality.

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We also might understand the professional wrestling
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cultures violent urges than do other sports. The violence is a real pretend art

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artsy people should love wrestling because I
know exactly. It's a way to experience

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the dynamic of conflict and fighting without
anyone actually getting hurt. Well, it's

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expression necessary for evolution, right,
everyone can go home after the gallery party

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and exactly and and discuss and analyze
and you know, pinpoint things that that

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that create, you know, a
psychological metaphor for life, and then make

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out and drop the whole facade that
the whole thing wasn't a big extended for

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exactly exactly and then and yeah,
and it starts fucking you know, just

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starting our fucking know right an artistic
way, but in Brooklyn, but still,

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yes, in Brooklyn, in the
booth of a of like a of

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a trendy in the booth of like
an old wood paneled pizza place. Yeah,

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we're okay, even better, even
better, and it's just like you

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know, there's just there's just fingering
and pleasuring going on. Well, glad

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we cleared that up anyway. Elias's
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of a various bodily and emotional expressions, including violence. What can be drawn

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from this is that, in accordance
with the Elise's theory of civilizing, our

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violent urges have been suppressed by social
morality, but through pro wrestling and MMA.

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Our primitive instincts are given a safe
environment in which to be released,

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a sophisticated treatment in accordance with a
civilizing one. Our primitive instincts like singing

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Chris Jericho's theme song. Yeah right
exactly, but fucking seth rawlins idiot.

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Now that's some mental gymnastics to falsome
day into wrestling into non wrestling environment.

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I but Drew didn't feel compelled to
squeeze wrestling into any papers in his time

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during this course. Whoh this has
been yeah all right, sorry now,

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and how that's some mental gymnastics to
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Yes, I bet Drew didn't feel
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in his time doing that course,
My poor lecturer. Thanks Jack and JP,

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wishing you both the best. PS. I just finished anything any sense,

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But I can't telling myself with Jack
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all those negative columments just written upon
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really funny. That's last year's Independence
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right, that's right. So I
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I listen. I don't, I
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brag, but like, we actually
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and we were able to reconstruct it
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in newspapers. It's amazing, you
know, I was joking. Boss puts

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together the graphics front of the cinemat
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that he tries to find a frame
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and in that one or the wrestling
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actually had about a half second to
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I mean, man and like and
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this is barely a shot with these
fucking clowns. I want to thank Pete

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McTaggart for the generous pledge and welcome
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system. Ross Mueller for bumping up
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is is a big lift, but
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know announces your arrival as an adult. It's like a bar mitzvah for a

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TLF for exactly exactly. We want
to thank Willie who posted. My uncle

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came into my apartment one day and
caught me listening to that cast, he

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exclaimed, pornographic radio. Yes,
thank you for the memories, thank you

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for the inspiration, and thank you
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can imagine that port That's that's a
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but but I can not only that, but I can imagine like when if

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you get caught listening that, you
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on you, jerking off right,
you know, absolutely, Brent, thank

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you very much for the bump up
to the fifty dollar tier. Great to

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see you, and I hope you're
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One of our very good friends,
Rights TLF is the neighborhood taco truck

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owner who always took the time to
shoot the ship with you when you picked

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up your order on your lunch break. That became the CEO of the Fortune

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five hundred company that produces your life
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break to hop into a taco truck
and drive over to your neighborhood to sell

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you tacos and shoot the ship.
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it, especially the taco piece.
Yes, a good friend, James Irwin

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rights, when you revealed that you
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show, I had to get up
in pace. People are so glad we

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did that. The old people that
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I know. I've had to come
home from a family funeral. I'm

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sitting in the family home at the
end of the dining room table, James

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writes, working from home. My
headphones are on and I'm sitting here convulsive

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at this soundboard mashup, hoping none
of my family walk in and see me

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and to stop. I just thought
that was a nice lapse snapshot for folks

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to consider. Yeah, right,
exactly. This one from Dave, who

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well, like so many, writes
a letter, the thrust of which is

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you guys called it. Yeah,
Oh God, that's like, yeah,

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dearest Gods of gooch grinding. That's
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new one. Firstly, I am
a freeloading bitch, and for that I

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apologize. That needs to be done
more properly. Whenever whenever that that word

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comes up in an email, it
needs to be done like this. Firstly,

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I am a free exactly, Let's
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and for that I apologize long story
I don't deserve to tell you. Hopefully

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debt free by March February March,
and then I will start repaying my debt

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with that noted. Even if you
see this worthy of a mention, I

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expect no recognition, but you my
annual passage punishers, of course, no

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best, Yes, yes, this
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antal passage, that's for sure.
I'm on my second go round. Skip

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the Trial of his life until I'm
man enough to get the transscripts. But

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an episode two forty three Art of
War Games Bash eighty eight Tour, Part

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two Time Stamp forty two sixteen,
you discuss the screams of teenage girls when

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the Rock and Roll Express are being
attacked, and how the promoters of Pretend

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could get teenage girls to go to
live entertainment, you know, noble conversation.

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This then goes to getting YouTubers to
become involved in the ultimate fakery mis

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leaves Jack to suggesting at forty two
forty eight finding some YouTuber with a following

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and make them wrestlers, shortly followed
by suggesting Jake and Logan Paul by name,

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thank you very much? Does your
power have limits? Now? I

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fear even our warlord and savior is
unable to control you. Your damn right.

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I thought you'd beat you And appreciate
this call, this callback. Thank

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you for pulkamania. Absolutely many.
That's a big part of TLFX, you

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know. Can you find moments along
the way in the catalog and send us

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the screenshots and the time codes to
where we fucking we're ahead of the curve

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because we always are to the point
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yeah, look forward to those at
the lapstad and gmail dot com. We've

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already got some great submissions in Again. The ASP is that you record a

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personal reflection of what tlf IS meant
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universary next year, and then if
you can include a time code of an

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episode where there's something really impactful that
we said or did, and we'll try

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to sort of resurface those in concert
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next year. Yeah, Mike made
a good post. He said, this

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is about under the cinemat We must
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actual movie stars. Do you remember
what movie that was? Yeah, I'm

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trying to think of what's and I
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can feel it that we that we
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a movie star. Um. He
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Morgan Freeman, which I did not
know he was on the soap opera.

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I didn't know that either Kevin Bacon
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Bacon, I did not know Meg
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well, hey look we we did
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I mean, he's not like a
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that. I played that clip from
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and David strathn two big time actors. Sean Wheeling up in the UK,

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want to thank you very much for
bumping up your pledge, Bryce bar two.

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Thank you very much for jumping in
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on Patriot On Ryan writes, as
a mass hoole myself, I'm disappointed if

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Dunks gets my order correct. Must
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the years. Liam writes, am
I the only one? Am I the

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only one who has yet to recover
from Scott Hall's passing and the journey this

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podcast took us on. I feel
haunted by Scott after listening to all that,

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like, I can't help but recognize
his mentality towards copping popping in my

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own daily life. Ever since those
episodes, I have multiple tears, tears

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in my shoulder labor and literally a
dozen discourney in my spine. Chiropractor's equal

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workers. You got that right,
Liam's right, these are spine style.

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Now I find myself doing pizza,
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subliminal, but now I just think, yeah, that now you make them

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work, Maine. Yeah, anyone
who's walked the Primrose prescription path, I

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think has trouble listening to the Scott
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that. Just don't end up,
you know, expiring when you fall and

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break your hip. In the middle
of lockdown, Tim, thank you very

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much, Tim Bevers for your pledge
and joining the Inner Circle. Paul writes,

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I'll be honest here. I pay
my Patreon fee for the yearly description

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of the day after sandwich. Oh
yes, the wrestling deep dives are just

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a bonus. And the thought of
a turkey procession absolutely killed me, especially

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carving in time with the music.
It can't come back soon enough, boss,

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I don't know if you agree.
I'm ready. I mean, are

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you kidding me? Listen? Listen? All right? Yeah? Please?

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It's nothing. Nothing gets me happier
then when I walk into a store and

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it's sweltering outside and I'm miserable because
it's fucking summer, and I walk inside.

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Yes, and they've got Faull decoration. Oh my god, it's already

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starting. Oh yeah, are you
kidding me? We're absolutely, absolutely mid

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July. I'll tell you listen as
someone who has worked at a Halloween store,

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right, we opened in July.
When I did that, we opened

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in July. You know you gotta
you gotta get her, you gotta get

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it open early. People are ready. I think he's already this year,

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I really do. I'm so.
I'll give you and I'll give you one

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guess as to which tier we're going
to keep nearest and dearest to our heart

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this holiday season when it comes to
sharing those special moments. Instructions to come

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quite soon, by the way,
on that fucking Christ machine. It's never

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too early. Oh yeah, never
too early. I think you've already got

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a few presents in for it,
I think so. Yeah. The po

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box and you know how it goes. It was a smashing success next year,

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and one too many folks had to
decry the fact that the President didn't

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arrive in time or they fell it
honest the window, so no excuses their

405
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:47.960
friends. And in that vein we
ought to let folks know that the return

406
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.160
of the hopper that we talked about
last time were with you is nigh.

407
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:59.160
It's approaching quite soon. I would
say, keep a very close eye on

408
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.279
the first week of August, perhaps
maybe for a little bit of detail in

409
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.640
that regard as the co chairs kind
of regroup post TNH, decide what we'd

410
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.720
like to do as opposed to what
you know, the chronology of a journey

411
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.640
is forcing us to do. That's
right, and then as always turned it

412
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.079
over to you guys. Yeah,
but a yeah, day after Sandwich,

413
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.279
Paul reflecting warmly and positively on that
and the Turkey procession. So that was

414
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.279
a very special Thanksgiving around here,
that's right. Looking forward to Oh yes,

415
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.920
we got this message here from Ronnie
Boss. This is I had to

416
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.160
follow up from one of our more
thoughtful Solar System members. All right,

417
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.640
Ronnie, what do you get for
us? This is the first time in

418
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.799
a while I really had some time
to put my words together and had to

419
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.839
let you two perverts know how I
found out about this fuck cast all those

420
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.799
years ago. It is absolutely I
just started my first semester of college at

421
00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:00.279
you of h after a lovely summer
of dealing with the worst fucks imaginable at

422
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.759
our local movie theater. You two
have been quite instrumental in keeping me sane

423
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.079
with all of this work and change. So let me first thank you for

424
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.680
that. I've been watching wrestling since
I was about eight years old, randomly

425
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:19.640
turning the TV on an episode of
SmackDown in early twenty twelve. He was

426
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:30.079
young, he was I feel old
every day he was. He he was

427
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:37.400
born. He was born, you
know, a year before we graduated college.

428
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.599
What do you want me to say? Yeah, I mean, just

429
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:51.880
the reality everything they tell you about
time passes by quickly. Yeah I Know'carlin

430
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.880
says. It only seems that way
because everything else lasts forever, like the

431
00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:00.079
mountains. It's true. It is
true. It looked out away. It's

432
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:07.880
and everybody's fucking double. You know, have doubled further down the road than

433
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.599
you thought they'd be. The next
time you put your head up. Time

434
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:17.960
passes fast, passes by so fast, especially after college. Yes, well

435
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.640
when you get out of the school
thing all of a sudden, you know,

436
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:26.079
I can still remember, like,
uh, in school thinking to myself,

437
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.680
Oh wow, like you know,
I might think about wrestling stuff.

438
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:30.759
I'm like, wow, it was
only like a couple of years ago that

439
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.200
you know, wrestling was this hot
and wrestling was this fun. And now

440
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:48.880
that's over twenty years ago, you
know, so um years on randomly chime

441
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.440
on the sign. Uh. Pretty
soon John Cena, my Terry Palaya became

442
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:57.839
my hero and I desperately needed more. From then on, I did everything

443
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:02.000
I could to get my hands on
anything wrestling related. My mom, unlike

444
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.160
my dad, who had his heartbroken
as a child by finding out it was

445
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:12.359
phony horseshit fully supported my obsession,
getting me three disc documentaries from pawn shops

446
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.160
or from Walmart when she could,
as well as the sweetest prize of all,

447
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:21.200
getting me a new figure every other
month. I will admit it.

448
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.079
No one. Nobody else knows this. But years later, despite being a

449
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.240
senior in high school and captain of
the football team, I would come home

450
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.559
from school, reaching to my closet
and put on the Performance of a Lifetime

451
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.359
daily with my wrestlers, and I
loved every second of it. The smack

452
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.200
of plastic when I hit a superkick, along with vicious elbow strikes and forums

453
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:49.079
because that's Japan or music to my
ears, the DVDs I would really sent

454
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.400
me my fantom over the top.
I must have come home from school and

455
00:32:52.440 --> 00:33:00.160
watched Austin's or Cempung's documentary every Day
the best in the world. D d

456
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.000
said was the fucking ship for me
as a kid, that's one thing putting

457
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.160
on is watching something over and over
and over and over again. God yeah,

458
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.599
gone, yeah, yeah yeah.
Well, unless you're my kid.

459
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:20.960
What she watches when she gets a
show, she's on it for But all

460
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.240
right, but I'm not talking about
like a twenty episode thing. I'm talking

461
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:28.160
about he you know, like one
piece of physical media, like you watch

462
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.279
a DVD or tape over and over
again. Yeah no, that that that

463
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.039
that is definitely gone or listen to
me to watch it over and over to

464
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.680
watch it over and over and like, you know, play it, rewind

465
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:45.599
it, play it again. Yeah, long gun. There's too much out

466
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.960
there, you know, right.
We live in a world of of of

467
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:55.519
of endless options, and isn't it
better that way? I think we've already

468
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:02.559
talked about. M oh, it's
not brother. Uh. It was fucking

469
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.799
shit me putting me on to the
independent scene and getting me hooked on a

470
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.519
ring of honor and soon old TNA
shows from getting a glimpse of Samoa Joe.

471
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.199
I took it upon myself to make
wrestling scene as cool as possible to

472
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:22.360
my friends, eventually putting the entire
seventh grade hut cz w. Oh boy,

473
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.800
I knew once I showed them some
poor soul getting a pair of scissors

474
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.159
through his tongue, the ultimate wrestling
fan act, like I don't you think

475
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.920
it's ridiculous, but look this guy
really got I know you think it's fake,

476
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.639
but look this guy's wrapped in I
mean, how do you fake up

477
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:44.960
this guy's fucking hooked up on his
back? You know, fuck through this

478
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.719
as some guy getting getting thrown through
going through glass, it would get them

479
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.079
hooked. Ww's fake, but this
is real. With my go to line,

480
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.639
but let me go get back on
track. The day discovered the laps

481
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.239
Fan, I remember it like it
was yesterday, looking on Apple Podcast for

482
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.360
another wrestling related show to listen to
because the ones I had been on simply

483
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:10.039
weren't cutting it. They were all
one to two hours tops, and that

484
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.840
just wasn't going to fly anymore.
Despite not being interested in the current product,

485
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.039
I knew I loved wrestling for a
reason, and the old ship was

486
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.760
always going to be there for me
when I needed it. You, sir,

487
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.360
just may very well be a candidate
for the Lapsed Fan. As I

488
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.840
was scrolling, I saw the Lapsed
Fan and decided to take a look.

489
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.760
Pretty soon, Eddie Guerrero's face on
the poster of the two thousand and four

490
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.239
No Way Out show popped up and
I gave it a try. As I

491
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.639
said in my first email years ago, Vince sexually harassing Shaniqua immediately proved to

492
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:49.920
me that this was going to be
my show from here on out. That's

493
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:58.000
the right. Plus, it was
three hours with two parts, and here

494
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.920
I am, almost five years later, typing this in my dorm at eleven

495
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.199
pm. But anyways, you two
became my friends that knew wrestling like I

496
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:10.000
did, and more that I always
wanted this life. Shit is a little

497
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.880
wild sometimes, but to have something
like this be available for people is so

498
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.800
incredible. It is real. Unlike
the topic of the show, right,

499
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.159
I love you both, and thanks
for everything y'all have unknowingly helped me with

500
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.519
these past five years. The tests, dumb breakups, Jim sessions, car

501
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.519
rides, and everything in between.
I grew up with y'all. Now I

502
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.480
must get to the annual portion of
this email. Thank you for robbing me

503
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:45.639
of my innocence. Oh, thank
you for oh god, say it,

504
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:50.880
I'm thank you for experimenting on a
thirteen year old boy. Come on,

505
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:57.519
get in there and truly oh as
if that's the and truly violating my taint

506
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.280
in ways that are inhumane. Thank
you for sabotaging my dreams. Thank you

507
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.880
for Alms in the morning with Terry, and thank you for shinniqu Wamania.

508
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.320
That last one I can get behind. Yeah, yeah, tremendous. Well

509
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.000
we love you too, one you
mean, get me careful, I'm reading

510
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:24.199
that one back. Shit, Okay, Burning Hammer. We want to thank

511
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.239
you so very much for your Patreon
pledge and thanks to Andrew Makinson. It's

512
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:34.320
always so nice to see folks who
already pledge bump up that pledge even more

513
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.960
boss right because they've sualized it just
wasn't enough. John Callowhill, thank you

514
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.920
very much for your pledge. Welcome
in. Christopher Damars, a long time

515
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.599
supporter. Love having you in the
Moat tier, and we thank you for

516
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.159
making that decision. Ryan Elaney,
I think I'm pronouncing that correctly, want

517
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.800
to welcome to the VIP circle.
Thanks very much for your pledge. As

518
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:57.480
to Stuart Wilson and Pinballa and Peter
Rustling who made a very generous donation and

519
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.000
jumped to the top of the tier. John wrote to us following his his

520
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.000
pledge, just wrote from North Just
drove rather from North Carolina to Buffalo,

521
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.400
New York. Caught up on parts
three and four and the then end.

522
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.239
Fantastic work. As always, how
the rest of the world gets through the

523
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.639
hum drum. I will never know
exactly right. That's where we come in.

524
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.280
He's talking about our our epic Black
Saturday journey that we took last year.

525
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.800
Marco Rubio, you tell me if
it's that Marco Rubio has bumped his

526
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.280
pledge up to the executive producer tier, and we're grateful for it. Imagine

527
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:34.320
if it was yes, I could
actually Yeah. Matt Finney, who's become

528
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.440
a very close friend of the cast, shortly after pledging, said, you

529
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.920
know what, love not being a
bitch, That is all. And that's

530
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.239
the real feeling you get, right
boss, that's literally the payback on the

531
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.360
whole thing. I mean, it's
really about it's really about how you feel

532
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:46.639
about yourself because you know you're doing
the right thing. Yeah, you feel

533
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.920
so much better if I'm paying for
something like exactly, you know, because

534
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.840
when you don't pay for something like
a service like this, you you find

535
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:58.880
yourself like almost tricking yourself into thinking, oh, it's not that good because

536
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.039
you don't pay for it, and
there's a guilt there, and you try

537
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:05.559
to recontextualize that guilt is something that's
justified, so you start like becoming a

538
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.760
negative person, right, You start
nitpicking things to justify your decision to not

539
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:14.920
pay, and that's not a healthy
place to sit mind frame wise. Yeah,

540
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:16.639
and we can do something about that
if you hit over to patreon dot

541
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.960
com slash the lapsed fan Dustin Joseph
did the same thing and he's qualifying for

542
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:28.199
Under the Cinemat these days, and
it's really great. Um, let's see

543
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:35.920
we have Uh. I'm going to
move to Carlos Stallion's comment where he said,

544
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.119
hot take forgive me. Andy's endeavors
take place in the same realm where

545
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.239
Sunny got a locker room bucket full
of wrestlers shit dumped on her Nehattan National

546
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.519
TV. Hilarious, real, groundbreaking
comedy there, pale. Is it funny

547
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.239
Andy, Andy Kaufman? Of course? This is ah yeah, after our

548
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.480
Man in the Moon under the Cinemat? A man? Is it funny?

549
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.199
Andy? Is it art? Is
it avant garde? Yes? Yes?

550
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:04.880
Are you bending reality? Andy?
Or just contemptuously shitting on people laughing at

551
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.440
the right have been loaded on those
who are self indulgent and deluded in their

552
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:13.400
vanity before? And he does not
rise above. He's not a genius.

553
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:19.400
He's a run of the mill asshole. Do you agree, boss? Having

554
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.519
stuff Andy as closely as he did
for that episode, I well, I

555
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.079
didn't study Andy as much as I
studied Jim Um, but I would say,

556
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.599
sure, there, I can,
I can let me let me put

557
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:35.519
it this way. I don't know
if I necessarily agree but there are some

558
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.599
very very very valid points. Yeah, I can't see why the people around

559
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:44.800
him just had no patience for that
fucking routine he would do. Yeah,

560
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.719
the total thing. You can we
can all like simmer in the juices of

561
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.960
after the fact, but we're living
through it. To have someone like that

562
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.440
around all the time. Yeah,
I mean, you know, I again,

563
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.760
you know, I think it's it's
a weird thing because you're the stuff

564
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.800
that he would that he would do. If you were on the receiving end,

565
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.480
it sucks, yeah, exactly,
But if you're not on the receiving

566
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.320
end, it's great. Yes,
you know, someone has to be the

567
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.360
butt of a joke or else it's
not a joke. And if you're not

568
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.519
the button and we can talk.
Dustin writes, Dear Coach Chairman. Listened

569
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.320
for free for about four to six
months or so until you did the Kenny

570
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.039
Versus Okada series. I never watched
those matches, but vaguely heard of them

571
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.639
through my own friends who are lapsed
fans of some amount. Hearing I doubled

572
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:38.760
ugp screamed made me laugh out loud
on more than I was on the I

573
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.719
was on the fence about joining seeing
if I really needed more lapsed in my

574
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.000
life. The answer was yes,
Yes. The Free Halloween under the Cinemat

575
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.960
convinced me and I went directly for
this tier. I will work through the

576
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.199
back catalog, listening to Independence Day
currently and loving every second here. They

577
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.960
take care of the take the cake
boys and thank you. Well that's great.

578
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.320
See that's and now too, you
know for those on Patreon two,

579
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.159
I'm trying to to to do this. It's but there are we were able

580
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.239
to make collections. Now do you
know that you can make collections? Yes,

581
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.199
I'm glad you're experimenting with it.
So I've put up a couple.

582
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.760
I've created a couple together. Um, and that's I'm going to try to

583
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.159
do that such as especially with Cinemat. I put let me take a look.

584
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.079
I don't remember. Um, I
think I know. I got Russell

585
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:27.199
Mammia ye all together, so you
can always listen to those I've got.

586
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.239
Oh, I got I did Total
Hogan XO all forty forty forty posts,

587
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.519
forty forty separate patre is that you
know you can always assign tags and we

588
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.480
do to our shows. Yeah,
you can search for those, but it's

589
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.320
not as it's not as tight as
if we just like say, this is

590
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.920
the collection. Yeah there members,
yes, and so the next I started

591
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.360
putting the Life and Death of the
AWA. But there are episodes of that

592
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.480
that are not on which we this
will allow us to work on that,

593
00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.000
right exactly, Um three or four, we were right. You had ads

594
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.519
in the show, and it's just
right yeah, yeah, yeah, so

595
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.559
but that that's yeah, I'm i'm, i'm, I'm trying to put all

596
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.280
those together and so you can have
collections right there. Excellent news. Andrew

597
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.559
Warren, thank you very much for
the pledge. We welcome you in and

598
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.559
he writes your coach here as I'm
severely behind and listening you guys are on

599
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.639
marathon and I simply can't keep up, but please keep it up. My

600
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.280
wife and I are expecting twins and
I'm soon in the near future I will

601
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.599
need some restless nights with you guys
in my ears. So, dude,

602
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.639
I can't tell you. That's where
we come in. That's where a podcast

603
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.559
like Hours comes in. If you
have if you have a child and you're

604
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.360
dealing with, you know, having
sitting there fucking as still as you can,

605
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.679
hoping they'll fall asleep. Yeah,
and then having to wade another like

606
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.519
thirty minutes before you move, God
forbid, you wake them up again as

607
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.400
you place them down in the crib. I mean, there's doing that before

608
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.599
the lapsed fan, and there's doing
that after the lapsed fan. You tell

609
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:52.400
me, boss, if there's any
fucking comparison, it's well, I remember

610
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:57.760
that. That's so funny because I
remember I was doing that during the lapse

611
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.960
fan was right right the first year, sure right, that's right. First

612
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.639
year I had my I had,
I had, we had had might be

613
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.400
had our kid, and it was
like, holy shit. So I understand.

614
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.280
I mean, it's just tool.
I mean, good luck or or

615
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.960
or we never know, maybe maybe
maybe your child is gonna be a fan

616
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.199
and so you could put it in
their ear. They're like oh and they

617
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:27.000
go right to sleep out against it, not against it. Um. Yes,

618
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.760
he says. As of this date, I just recently completed The Fugitive

619
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.920
under the cinemat episodere we go.
Oh God, aust This is also a

620
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.760
sentimental favor to me as well.
I had an un kid and I didn't

621
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.840
even have to win a public speaking
competition to get it on too. Reason,

622
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.239
I wanted to message you guys.
Even before you guys revealed the dry,

623
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.320
condescending nature of Harrison Ford, I
recognized it as well. I too

624
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.159
watched the inside the actor's studio with
him, and he seems so detached and

625
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.719
aloof The location in North Carolina,
with a train and tunnel scenes were shot

626
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.400
is near Western Carolina University. While
in college, I would often visit one

627
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:59.039
of my friends who attended to the
school and go trout fishing along the Tuskegee

628
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.480
River. He told one of the
best stories I've heard about Harrison Ford.

629
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.719
It was a local tale about Ford
that persisted from the shooting of the film.

630
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:07.960
As the story goes, Ford went
to a favorite local diner for lunch.

631
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.920
I'm already excited brother. As he
went to pay the cashier for a

632
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.079
sandwich, he looked or dead in
the eye and said that was the worst

633
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.679
sandwich I've ever had, and then
he left. Wow. I can't authenticate

634
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.960
it, but man, I love
it. I also like to imagine Chief

635
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.400
Brunch was sitting in the booth behind
Ford getting a donut. Thank you,

636
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.679
guys for all we do. Please
have a great holiday season. PS.

637
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.639
Speaking of the holidays, how much
his party mix or homemade checks mix put

638
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:31.679
you in the mood for the season. Is the first food. It's the

639
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:36.280
first food I look forward to.
Andy and Carolina Western NC. That is,

640
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.840
there's fake Andy and NC and Winston
Salem the one right dead to be

641
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:45.559
as thanks very much. Yeah,
party mix um for me, it's not

642
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.119
a staple, but I do like
it. I'm a fan. Yeah,

643
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.159
one of the holidays where there has
been sort of a festive party mix.

644
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.119
So I know what he's talking about, but it's not it's it's not every

645
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:58.599
year, but yeah, you get
there's something the right mix of like drizzle

646
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.719
and like chalk candies in there,
and it can be very fative. And

647
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.039
I always like, yeah, you
know, I always I always like checks

648
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.480
mix. I was always a fan
of that, UM, but I never

649
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.039
Yeah, it's not a staple.
It's not a staple. That's why we

650
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:16.400
do come on, I know,
maybe we'll have some Yes, what's that

651
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.440
I'm running of? What is a
good what's an old school what's it?

652
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:27.079
I can't I can't think of like
a real staple snack that I keep around

653
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.920
at Christmas time? Really, Uh, Andy's Mints is a big one for

654
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:37.719
me. Um. You talk about
um, Halloween easy and I know that

655
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.719
I'm a rarity with this. I
know that I'm a weird one with this.

656
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.280
The pumpkin seeds and stuff, well
that too, But I'm talking about

657
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.639
in regards to like actually like a
like a like a prepared snack that I

658
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:52.039
don't do on my own. I
love I'm off candy corn. Oh,

659
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.000
don't even stuck candy corns. I
love candy corn. I love it.

660
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.960
I love it. I never understood
people that love candy corn. I love

661
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:06.920
it. I off a cake.
I know, listen, I understand it's

662
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.880
it's fucking weird as shit, but
there is there's something about I get a

663
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.199
bag every fucking year. Boston's only
July, and you're getting me feeling certain

664
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.960
ways. I don't know if that's
we still got a month and a half

665
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.039
one hundred third degree plus temperature.
You should have been feeling this way three

666
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.880
months ago. Fucking hell, Michael
Fitzimmons boosted the pledge and we're going to

667
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.199
give him an acknowledgement for that.
Same to James Grady, who really made

668
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.639
a quantum leap and how much he's
putting in our pockets. And I'm sure

669
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.440
he hasn't regretted it for a second. Christa Mars said I had to jump

670
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.840
in the moat here because hey it's
Conrad and got shit on that cast.

671
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:44.079
Okay, Well to each his own. In terms of opinion, Matt Northrip,

672
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.440
thanks very much for busting up.
I'm not gonna say he's wrong,

673
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:51.760
but yeah, absolutely. Congrats to
to Connie by the way for getting inducted

674
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.920
into the Hall of Fame and Waterliowa
the Wrestling Hall of Time for his contraction.

675
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.440
It's very nice to see that.
Scott Matthias, thanks very much for

676
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.840
the pledge. Appreciate it. Always
obliged to it. Remind folks that if

677
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.280
Patron isn't your thing, and a
monthly pledge is and something you can do

678
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.199
Right now, we do have a
version of a digital tip jar. You

679
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.920
can just send us a pledge on
PayPal. Just go into your PayPal,

680
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.039
type in the lapsed fan at gmail
dot com and you can put some money

681
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.679
in the kiddie like Daniel Sokolski did. He write, Hey boys, just

682
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.679
try to send a little tip free. All the hard work and wonderful entertainment

683
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.159
spent the better part of today listening
to TLF sold out ninety seven. I've

684
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:27.039
been watching Ron Nitroc and currently since
I missed it first time around because of

685
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.039
course I was laps stand up to
things like getting a college education, meeting

686
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:31.599
my future wife, and traveling with
a tap here and there. I am

687
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.320
a little jealous boss of people who
can like I wouldn't want to have missed

688
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:38.559
the Monday Night Wars as they happened. I wouldn't trade it for anything,

689
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.519
But it is kind of cool to
be able to now know the significance of

690
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:47.000
it and watch it just cold for
sure. For sure. I also I

691
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:55.400
wonder, I do wonder how how
it plays. Yeah, because because there

692
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:01.400
is so much of that. As
I've said a number of occasions, it

693
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:08.679
really reflected the growing like that generation
of people, because here are wrestling fans

694
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:14.599
who were who you know, like
they even said, it's the whole Cogen

695
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.519
generation that they grew up and then
they wanted something more, you know,

696
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:23.719
like like I being a teenager being
that in that prime fucking real estate that

697
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.320
they were looking for at the time. It was like they were giving me.

698
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.639
It was it was musty television,
I you know, it was just

699
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.280
it was that fucking addicting. Really
was. Yeah, again, not a

700
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:45.320
lot of it holds up and so
much of it is is like lill now,

701
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.480
you know, but at the time, it was just like whatever they

702
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:58.400
could do, it basically had to
do with this. Every week they were

703
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.039
doing something they hadn't done five years
prior. Yeah, that was the game

704
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:05.000
and that was kind of it.
That's where it was fucking great. Yeah,

705
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.280
that's where I start to like,
not along with Vince Rousseau. I

706
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.039
don't often do it, but when
he starts talking about this idea that like,

707
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.880
we basically had to go on television
and make make sure we were pushing

708
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.960
in a direction that was counter to
what you expected every week. I mean

709
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.880
that, you know, obviously we
found that that unfettered is just bad television.

710
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.880
But if you have the spirit of
like, let's make sure, let's

711
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:31.480
make damn sure every week that we're
somehow subverting the audience's expectations, and it

712
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.599
actually works because you've got performers that
can make it work, like Steve Austin,

713
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.920
it's great. It's great because you
really, you really just get so

714
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:44.760
invigorated as a fan not knowing where
things are going and not having felt like

715
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.559
you've seen it before. And a
big part of that is him just you

716
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:52.960
know, Rousseau just having two three
minute matches. I mean, of all

717
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.800
the things the attitude here, I
don't I wouldn't be against the return of

718
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.159
that, just to see if it
works. Like you know, I know,

719
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:01.599
a w's roster is full of some
of the best wrestlers in the world

720
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.039
and some of the best guys that
can go the distance. But imagine if

721
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:08.840
just for six months Dynamite had nothing
but two to three to four to five

722
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:15.039
minute matches and promo. I also
and and save the pay per views can

723
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:16.920
have the forty four nights exactly.
I always felt like, you know,

724
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.559
because people act like the old formula
of Saturday morning squash matches and then pay

725
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.880
per views, and how shows that
had matches of length is somehow like an

726
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.079
impossible thing to do in a television
world where you're worried about carrying the rating

727
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:30.119
and so you can't do squash matches. See, I mean, it's not

728
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.800
squash matches. It's just a commitment
to having shorter matches between stars on television

729
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:37.920
so that when the pay per view
comes along, everyone's like, Okay,

730
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.159
now it's time to feast, because
we've gotten nothing but tastes from these people.

731
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:45.960
Instead we get like these thirty minute
dynamite main events every week, which,

732
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.599
while great, begin to harm the
significance of the next one, right,

733
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.199
and it harms the talent. I
mean, these guys, they're not

734
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.199
working enough to protect their own bodies. They were only doing two three matches

735
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.079
a week, probably just two,
if not just one in a lot of

736
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.079
cases. And that's injury city.
Its injuries totally totally to go out there

737
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.880
with that false sense that you're can
have plenty of time to recover so you

738
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.559
can go extra hard. I meanwhile, the audience is just like barely appreciate

739
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.519
appreciating it because they see it every
week. Ye but if four pay per

740
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.280
views or five pay per views a
year, that's when everyone gets together and

741
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.119
it goes Now it's time to fucking
go. Now, it's time to really

742
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:28.639
rev our engines and have five star
matches with the intention of really delivering a

743
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.400
match the fans can can really sink
their teeth into and feel nourished by.

744
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.719
I'm telling you, no one's going
to miss not having those on free television

745
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.400
if you remit to a system where
that is the value exchange on pay per

746
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.639
view express sure. Anyway, I've
been watching Ron Nitro concurrently, since I

747
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:45.920
missed it first time around, because
of course I was lapsed and up to

748
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.519
things like getting a college education,
meeting my future wife, and traveling with

749
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.079
the dead here and there. Anyway, it's pretty obvious that by January night,

750
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.199
ninety seventy rights the NBA was no
longer cool. Wow, January ninety

751
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.400
seven, that's nearly time to call
the thing, that's really right. I

752
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:04.440
mean, well, you know what, as someone who has watched you know,

753
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.440
all of ninety six, you know, back to back without having the

754
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:15.519
separation of a week, it does
play out a lot fit quicker. Yeah,

755
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.079
and you're kind of like, yeah, you know, I'm kind of

756
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.280
over it now. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I mean, you

757
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.320
know, being jealous of people that
can watch the Monday Night Wars and binge

758
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:28.320
fashion because they can be much more
attuned to exactly that those those those turning

759
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.360
points that were hard to really detect
when you had to wait, you know,

760
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.159
a week between shows, because it's
like, you know, you watch

761
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:39.519
an episode of Nitro and you've got
like in ninety six ninety seven, and

762
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.400
you've got like three or four nWo
entrances right in that one episode, and

763
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.480
then it's like then you go to
the next week, and it's the same

764
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.559
fucking thing, right, oftentimes with
Hogan coming out of the very end doing

765
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:58.519
an interview and posing, and that's
it. And if you watch four episodes

766
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:00.039
of those in a row, granted, that's that's eight hours of your time

767
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.280
that you've just spent, you know, watching that stuff, so it's probably

768
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.639
not too likely or I guess ninety
minutes each time. Whatever it is,

769
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.199
it's like, that's old. You
get it's all pretty quick. You appreciate

770
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:15.039
that it's getting old faster than the
people who watch. Yeah, yeah,

771
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:20.719
yeah, it's very interesting because again
you have that week of kind of moving

772
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.559
on from what you'd seen, and
then it's like, yeah, you can

773
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:29.679
kind of you can kind of watch
something over again. You can probably have

774
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.199
a rough idea of whether something significant
happens on this episode or not, and

775
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:36.920
come and knowing like, Okay,
not only am I watching four nWo entrances,

776
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.239
I also know that this isn't really
a historically significant nitro. I had

777
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.239
the benefit of knowing that, right, and so it doesn't feel like it

778
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:45.159
felt at the time, which is
like, all right, maybe this will

779
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:46.199
be something, Maybe this will be
something, you know, Yeah, that

780
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:52.239
was kind of it. The the
the anticipation of, like of what what's

781
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.880
going to happen this week? Right, especially with the wo yep, that

782
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.360
was the whole thing. That was
the whole thrust of ye yep, if

783
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.280
it ever actually was never leave it
up to wrestling fans to determine what's coolly

784
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:05.519
rights, because most of them and
us are not. That's right. I've

785
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.960
determined that NBO stopped being cool as
soon as Hogan joined them. Wow.

786
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.000
Interesting, it's weird. It's it's
it's it's not a it's not a completely

787
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.599
I don't completely disagree with that point. It's just that it's a weird.

788
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:25.599
It's a weird thing because, yeah, the cool factor is the halland Nash

789
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.360
thing. I agree with that,
Yeah, but the money thing is Hogan.

790
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.480
Uh. Like we said on Punish
Her, I would would would would

791
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:44.519
Kevin Nash have been nearly the draw
if Hogan hadn't been the third guy?

792
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.880
I don't think so right now.
I don't think I think the nWo would

793
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:53.800
have been pretty cold within six months
to eight months if there wasn't that extras

794
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.679
of like, wait a minute,
hole, Cogan's a heel on top of

795
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:01.920
it certainly wouldn't have been a two
years plus gimmick, three year gimmick r

796
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:05.360
And I think they would have been
less compelled to do the whole you know,

797
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.119
who's joining the NBO this week kind
of thing. If Hogan didn't join,

798
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.360
I feel like he would have stayed
smaller longer. They wouldn't have realized

799
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.760
with until unless they did Hogan that
the money here is who might join next?

800
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:19.880
That's the thing that that that's the
thing we can play for like sixteen

801
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.519
months, right. You know,
I was supposed to build one big pay

802
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:23.920
per view match off of you know, Holland Nash finally having a fight,

803
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.840
or whoever else might join the ENBau
in the interim. So yeah, everybody

804
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.280
who joined the ENDBO after Hogan has
Hogan to thank because he showed that it

805
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.320
was a money dynamic, Whereas if
it was somebody of a lesser stature.

806
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.920
I don't think they would be able
to capture the imagination of who the next

807
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.159
guy would be as much, because
when you deliver Hogan, then it's like

808
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.960
Jesus, anybody could be in this
thing. Oh yeah, And that was

809
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:50.400
pretty tantalizing to think about. Chris
writes to us. This is subsequent to

810
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.400
the Black Saturday episodes we did,
and then we did the treatment of the

811
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:58.519
long lost lost Battle of Atlanta,
Last Battle of Atlanta. Right, so,

812
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.880
I'm in the middle of you're already
amazing count of the Last Battle of

813
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:02.320
Atlanta, and in the midst of
one of Tommy Rich's greatest accomplishments. I

814
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.760
thought I should pass along some cold
reality to go with it. Brother.

815
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:08.079
Back in nine ninety seven, I
was an eleven year old kid obsessed with

816
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:12.320
the NBO and Bret Hart speaking of
the Devil. My dad wanted to take

817
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.840
me to a local wrestling show in
her hometown of Sisterville, West Virginia.

818
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:16.800
At the time population less than two
thousand. His big selling point was at

819
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.760
a former world champion would be there, mister Tommy Rich. And yes,

820
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.360
my dad is one of those rare
lapsed dads who's loved pro wrestling his entire

821
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.320
life. He grew up Tommy Rich. Come on, what's that but Tommy

822
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.599
Rich? Fuck? He grew up
going to see Brutal Live and somehow still

823
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:34.400
watches to this day, even after
I have lapsed. I gave in because

824
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.119
at the time I was own a
wrestling. I would have gone to see

825
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:37.679
anyone, but I had no idea
who mister Rich was, other than a

826
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.880
vague memory of him jobbing in early
NINETIESCW shows. So we get to the

827
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.679
high school gym and I sat down
to the bleachers. From across the gym,

828
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:46.679
I see a tall blonde man who
walks in, and my dad excitedly

829
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:51.239
tells me that's the former champ.
He walks back and at the woman's locker

830
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:52.599
room. The wrestlers are all in. About five to ten minutes later,

831
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.639
he walks back out, still carrying
his jim bag. We never saw him

832
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.599
again. That's right. Show was
supposed to start nothing while is happening.

833
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:02.360
Every now and then, someone looking
upset would come in or out of the

834
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:06.280
locker room. Finally, about thirty
minutes later, someone got in the ring

835
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.000
and announced that Tommy Rich had stolen
the money and the police had been called.

836
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.599
Several wrestlers had decided, oh my
god, that's spectacular. I get

837
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.400
paid Tommy Rich. Indeed, Tommy
Poor is mark right. Since they may

838
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.000
not get paid, but the ones
who stayed would be starting the show shortly.

839
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.559
From what I recall, it was
four guys that stayed They had two

840
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:24.440
singles matches and then a tag match
to finish the show. But time was

841
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:30.280
not had by all good A good
time was had by few. I said,

842
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:31.920
I couldn't find the actual newspaper article, but I did find it mentioned

843
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:38.800
on the site solely dot org headline
wrestlers jailed for not fighting what Everyone's charges.

844
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.599
If that's the case, that's saying
that creates quite a problem. The

845
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.280
article reads, Bleached Blonde Tommy Wildfire
Rich and a partner of the Freshman Wrestling

846
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:51.320
Circuit Dangerous Doug Gilbert, were arrested
after they took five hundred dollars cash for

847
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.280
a Tyler County performance but left without
taking the stage. The forty year old

848
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:59.239
Rich, who reached celebrity in the
nineteen eighties and Freshman Wrestling Realm of outrageous

849
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:05.199
Costumes and Comments, What Comments,
and Gilbert twenty eight, were released from

850
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.960
jail Monday afternoon after pleading guilty to
misdemeanor charges of false pretenses. Oh man,

851
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:13.119
there's a charge. The Jesus Christ. They're just like I mean,

852
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.679
that should be the name of this
podcast, false false Pretenses. That's a

853
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:20.920
great wrestling podcast. Name. Authority
said. The pair was fined and the

854
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.920
five hundred dollars was returned to the
Sisterville area Jac's, who sponsored the River

855
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.639
City Wrestling Show to help fund a
youth football league. Of course they ripped

856
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.559
off kids in the process, right, of course. I mean that's more

857
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:32.800
than one hundred spectators showed up Saturday
evening at seven dollars a ticket to watch

858
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:36.880
matches like Bunkhouse Buck versus Killer Kyle
Jink, the Clown versus The Punisher,

859
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:40.159
and Playboy Derek versus Jamie wild Thing
Howard in the Sisterville Community Buildings. Sisterville

860
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:45.159
Police Chief Robert Hout said headliners Richard
Gilbert asked to be paid upfront. When

861
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.239
Gilbert then went to their Chevrolet Geo
to retrieve something, Out said rich apparently

862
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.679
saw an opportunity to follow him out
and drive off with them. Oh my

863
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:57.719
god, that is absolutely spectacul.
The other wrestlers performed Richard Gilbert were stopped

864
00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:00.000
near Saint Mary's, West Virginia by
State Police Trooper Gene Yoho, who had

865
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.519
been alerted to watch out for the
fugitives. Yoho cited the pair for alleged

866
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.599
possession of less than fifteen grams of
marijuana of course, then yes, returned.

867
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.440
That's the thing about stopping pro wrestlers. You'll find something and return them

868
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.880
to Tyler County for prosecution on charges
there rich actually Tommy Franklin Richardson of Atlanta

869
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:22.440
and Gilbert Douglas Fred Gilbert of Lexington, Tennessee, each held on two thousand

870
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.920
dollars bond of the Tyler County Jail
and Middlebourne, according to Magistrate court wrecords.

871
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.000
A couple of personal notes here,
uh Chris concludes one bunkhouse Buck was

872
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.760
not there. Yeah, I'm sure
Doink wasn't either. Oh my god,

873
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:39.079
I'm I am fucking this is this
is this is exactly. This is what

874
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:43.400
I want from wrestling. This is
what we get. What it is about

875
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.599
this that you want from wrestling?
I want to be deceived, that fucking

876
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.440
mail bag. Go for it,
all right. I want to be lied

877
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.400
to. I want to give my
money and then be and then be disappointed,

878
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:58.360
because yes, why do you want
to be hoodwinked? Why would one

879
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:02.480
want that? I fuck and listen
I say it. I wish it had

880
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.159
gone this far. But you know, the closest I can think of is

881
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:12.719
when I went to that fucking big
time wrestling show in uh, wherever the

882
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:19.000
fuck it was, and somewhere in
Connecticut and nash No showed yes, and

883
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.039
like that was wonderful. It's like, give me more of that, all

884
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.840
right. I love the idea.
I love here's what it is. I

885
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:32.880
love wrestlers proving me right, baby, And if it comes to the expense

886
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:37.679
of my hard earned money, fine, Yes, that way I felt taken

887
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:42.719
more, you know, succinctly,
And yep, it's so true. I'm

888
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.440
never disappointed when that happens. I'm
not disappointed. I'm like, yep,

889
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.679
this is what I expected. Like
when Scott Hall came out of that show

890
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:52.000
and fallow River, Massachusetts would still
the hospital band on his wrist and couldn't

891
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.280
get a ring, Oh my god. Anybody who was there regretted being there.

892
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:58.440
No, you say, this is
this is history. It's the only

893
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.400
thing that's reverberated that he did that
whole year, or that ever happened in

894
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.480
that promotion. Not to put the
promotion down me. You get my point.

895
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.360
You know, the spotlight was on
them, for better or for worse.

896
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.199
Definitely worse. But yeah, I
mean that's the wrestling fan. It's

897
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:14.119
a morbid curiosity business. And you're
just you're kind of look, you're kind

898
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:15.559
of like NASCAR fans. You're waiting
for the crash. You're waiting for something

899
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.360
to go wrong, right, You're
waiting for ye You're waiting for the damage.

900
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.039
That's why every fucking review of every
match now from the wrestling intelligencias,

901
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.880
oh man, that was a scary
spot. That was dangerous because everyone's sitting

902
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:30.320
there waiting for it. Everyone wants
it, applying this unspoken pressure or even

903
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.639
if they wring their hands sanctimoniously afterwards
about wrestler safety, they're kind of sitting

904
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.199
there waiting for somebody to get really
seriously hurt. YEP. It's a very

905
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:40.880
strange dynamic, and the wrestlers set
up on that, and so they feel

906
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.599
like if they're going to have an
impactful performance, they have to risk life

907
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:46.920
and limb because they know that's really
the cliffs notes of what everybody's going to

908
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.719
remember about the match anyway, because
that's how we process wrestling, not who

909
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:53.159
wins and loses and how well we
got to that point, about how many

910
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.599
risks were taken therein and how close
it came to you know, basically being

911
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:00.360
like a magic trick where it looks
like you almost died but you didn't.

912
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.760
Very strange. Number two one hundred
people paid seven dollars and Tommy was paid

913
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.960
five hundred dollars. Something tells me
those kids weren't getting their youth football league.

914
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:14.119
Number three arresting a pro wrestaurant charge
is a false pretense. It seems

915
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:15.679
like a dangerous president. Chris.
I'm sucking hit it out of the park.

916
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:20.000
It's a great em. That's an
email and a half. Yea,

917
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.400
so very good, so so very
good one. I thank Brian Ferris,

918
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.599
who's always just a massive supporter.
He couldn't join us when we when we

919
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:35.000
did the Survivor series Sweet Party,
the two Sweet Party if you will for

920
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:38.079
vote Tier members and beyond, and
he just sent his money for parking.

921
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:42.440
I thought that was so cool.
Wow, Pet, thank you very much

922
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.320
for your pledge. Welcome to the
Executive Producer tier. Same to you,

923
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.000
Ryan Warner. We appreciate the support. Ad Ad x three, who's been

924
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.320
a long time supporter, jumping up
to the moat tier lapsed veteran doing much

925
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:57.480
the same. I mean, that's
the fucking that's the ticket right there.

926
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:03.400
That's what makes us the envy yeah, Okay, let's see largeable establish amusement

927
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:09.679
park. Okay, um, let's
see Jeff Brokaw. Thank you very much

928
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.800
for your pledge. We appreciate you
joining the paying community here at tlf saam

929
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:17.000
to use Steve Talbot. We hope
you're enjoying dead hand deadhead at Dan ten

930
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:21.519
supporter of seven ten year. We
appreciate it. We've talked in the past,

931
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.159
Boss. I don't know if you
remember this. When we did Life

932
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.599
in Death of a WA. Yeah, how there were lawsuits towards the you

933
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:30.760
know, well after the promotion had
certainly died. I vaguely remember this,

934
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:36.239
yes, where other promotions were using
the AWA letters and a fact sued somebody

935
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:42.840
in particular whose last name was like
Gagner, like Bragadio than Arthian and leave

936
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.840
it up to members of the Solar
System. This is why we put this

937
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.079
stuff out into the universe, because
it comes back to us tenfold. Greg

938
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.039
sends its an email. I wrestled
on a fake AWA show. Wow,

939
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.280
dear coach heirs. First off,
I wanted to apologize for being an unloyal

940
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:00.079
slut. That's right. I've been
a FAMI podcast for years, even was

941
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:03.039
a member of the Patreon page for
a long time. Then I did the

942
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:14.719
unthinkable. M I did the unthinkable. I became a professional wrestler. Suddenly

943
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.920
fan podcast became too cynical for me, and I gravitated more towards workers of

944
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:27.199
the business podcast. I became Conrad
Thompson's personal cock sleeve. However, the

945
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.920
lapsed itch came back. Comes a
point where you just thirst for truth.

946
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:39.920
Yes in this life, yes,
yes. And while there's certainly an unlimited

947
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.159
amount of related relatability if you're if
you are an in ring worker listening to

948
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:50.000
the other the other boys talk about
the business, come on, sometimes we

949
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:55.320
all just need to know the truth. Yeah. Yeah, if you're in

950
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:59.320
the business, you need to hear
from people who aren't in the business right

951
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.239
but who loved the business and who
want to enjoy the business. That those

952
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:08.920
are the people keeps mentalities coming back
to the business, who keep coming back

953
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:15.280
to the business, hoping, hoping
for something more. Almost two years later,

954
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.119
after I debuted in pro wrestling,
I was house sitting for a friend

955
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:25.440
while she was wrestling in the Memphis
area. I just finished booking myself in

956
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:29.760
the Chicago area and we had planned
to ride out together to another booking the

957
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.039
next day when she got back,
so to save on gas, I stated

958
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:38.360
at her place. While she was
away, I fired up the paccoq and

959
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:45.079
watched countless WW documentaries, one being
the AWA doc they had put out sixteen

960
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.280
years ago. That's when the boss
impression of Verne Gagney crept in. That's

961
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.719
when I knew that that they used
to be better opinion wasn't cynical, it

962
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.800
was valid. So I began to
relisten to the life in death of the

963
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:02.480
AWA series. Was hooked. I'm
that crack like you for it, yes,

964
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:09.639
known as the lapsed fan fucking go. What sparked a memory, though,

965
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:20.360
was Dale Gagner. After eight months
of wrestling for the promotion I was

966
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:25.039
trained at, I opted to leave. I was trained by WWE job or

967
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:30.679
Jerry Fox, who I learned quickly
is a fucking Carney Fox or Rock and

968
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:39.480
Randy as we knew him, ran
weekly but never paid his wrestlers, pocketing

969
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:44.559
whatever money he can scrounge. The
promotion drew poorly. It would only draw

970
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:50.679
the max building capacity of fifty people
once a month. I fucking love it

971
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:56.199
so every other weekend. YEP,
we were lucky if we could draw eight

972
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:59.679
people. It's when you get to
this level, but just left the heart

973
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:01.159
of them at our shows itself.
Yes, you know what I mean.

974
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.920
It's not that Tommy Rich ran off
with five hundred dollars allegedly. It's get

975
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:09.519
it in this town in West Virginia. Yes, right, that's what based

976
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:15.440
so much more right telling exactly,
it's the whole fucking shebang. No hustle

977
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:20.000
is too small when you get bit
by this bug, right right, you

978
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:27.680
all have to understand the sickness is
real and the sickness is coming for you,

979
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:36.279
Okay. Randy wouldn't let you wrestle
anywhere else. He would project false

980
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:42.079
hopes, saying he had a connection
to WWE when he really didn't. He

981
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:49.079
would claim he trained Cmpunk, didn't
we all, Yeah, I trained him

982
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:55.439
too, Yeah he's trained him when
I knew damn well a Steel trained Punk.

983
01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.199
Randy would claim he trained Callisto and
Mustafa Ali as well, when in

984
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:04.279
reality, Windy City Pro Wrestling trained
them. Guys who've been there for years

985
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:08.720
would stay and never venture out,
thinking Randy held so much power. But

986
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:14.119
I knew in my heart of hearts
it was time to leave, So I

987
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:21.039
did and moved schools and finally get
a taste of what independent wrestling really tasted

988
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:26.960
like. I learned quickly I should
have done more research on some of the

989
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:31.119
promotions I was able to get a
spot for, especially the one promotion the

990
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:38.479
subject of this email is about.
I wrestled on a promotion called Powerhouse Wrestling

991
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:45.439
Extreme. I'm sorry, hold on
please, I wrestled on a promotion called

992
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:53.319
Pale House Wishing. I guess correct. I was eight months in and boy

993
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:57.880
was the match I had terrible.
I won't watch it back, that's how

994
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:02.399
bad it is. At the time
was Moondog Murray. It was my first

995
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:05.800
time as a heel, and when
I began logging my match, as I

996
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:13.840
learned, it was my forty sixth
match. However, that wasn't all I

997
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:26.399
learned. When I researched the show. It was billed as PWX slash AWA

998
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:32.359
YEP Freightmare in Street Tour. When
I did when I learned, when I

999
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.920
did more research, I learned that
the promoter of this total shit fed bought

1000
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:44.359
into the bullshit that Dale Gagner felt
fed him. This PWX became a member

1001
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:48.800
of the AWA. While I found
this footnote hilarious, that I technically wrestled

1002
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:53.920
for a Friday w A show.
It once again reinforced why I do research

1003
01:10:53.960 --> 01:11:01.359
and communicate with other wrestlers before accepting
bookings. Were reaching out. This promotion

1004
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:15.640
booked half to untrained wrestlers, and
an alleged it was a total creep.

1005
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:26.640
Oh my God, Jesus Christ.
The promotion is in infants amongst amongst the

1006
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.079
group of wrestlers I now trained with, And I learned why the hard way.

1007
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:35.760
Here's the cage match listing for the
show, and he listened, thinks,

1008
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:40.319
do you want me to read it? All right? And he sends

1009
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:44.199
the He sends the match. Thank
you for reminding me why I need to

1010
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.880
remain laughed because of you hashtag shelf
Live. Thanks for the follow on Twitter,

1011
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.840
praised me to the war lord and
thank you for how Comania love it.

1012
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:55.479
Greg. That's the business, thank
you, brother. That's the business.

1013
01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:59.319
We can't forget. It still operates
at extremely small, micro levels like

1014
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:03.359
that in every state in this Union. Yes, like the heart of this

1015
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:08.079
business is still alive and beating.
It's not something we have to long for.

1016
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:15.520
It's happening in gymnasiums and community speakers. And yes, fundraisers and everywhere

1017
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:19.279
that somebody makes off with the bag. Brennan, we want to thank you

1018
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:23.560
for the cake. We'll make off
with the bag gladly. Ye, thank

1019
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.000
you for the pledge, he writes, upgraded to the ten dollars tier.

1020
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:29.159
Not because I want it. Guess
why he did it, boss, Because

1021
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:32.279
because I fucking need it. And
you know what he writes, I'm not

1022
01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:39.680
done climbing the tears right spirit to
be or you know, and then and

1023
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:44.359
then when you become a fucking a
real, a real man, when you

1024
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:49.399
fucking start pledging above the tiers.
Yes, oh my god, I know

1025
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:55.520
in denominations that don't even entitle you
to anything greater or anything higher. I

1026
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:59.720
mean, now you're growing hair on
your nuts now, you know. Now

1027
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:02.720
you're already to vacation in Monaco.
Okay, yes, exactly, Jay Wonder,

1028
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:05.600
thank you very much for the pledge. We appreciate your support. Aaron

1029
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:10.439
Stokes, same to you. We
appreciate that bump up and that vote of

1030
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:14.960
confidence. Jesse Harrison Mote tier member, legend, automatically. Andrew Trudeau Mote

1031
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:18.680
Tier member, legend, automatically.
Connor McKiernan Mote Tier member, legend,

1032
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:24.319
automatically. We want to thank Michael
Caprio and we want to thank Mark for

1033
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:28.760
their pledges at the VIP level.
Neil has some thoughts on war games and

1034
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:30.239
that's time. Will you be coming
off the coverage of Blood and Guts.

1035
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.359
Yes, fixes for w W war
games. While I like the war games

1036
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.760
matches more than the coach heres is
talking about surviber series, it feels like

1037
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:41.079
there are several easy fixes going forward. One shortened the periods to two minutes.

1038
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:43.199
I feel like this is the most
important. The action got to be

1039
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:45.520
too staggered with the three minute intervals, and there weren't many saves that got

1040
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:50.640
a reaction. Thoughts on shorter intervals, boss, Yeah, three minutes is

1041
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:56.760
too long, should be two minutes. Follow Listen. The formula works for

1042
01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:00.520
a reason. Formula you're doing war
you're compared to do war games matches all

1043
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:05.399
these years later for a reason,
because the first ones were perfect. That's

1044
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:12.000
why it's the same thing with the
like the first ones were so thought provoking

1045
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.960
and they captured your imagination, and
it had to do with the construction of

1046
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.720
the idea. It didn't just have
to do with the notion. It had

1047
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.920
to do with the nuts and bolts. It had to do with how it

1048
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:25.760
functioned. Yep, yep. Number
two. Have the wrestlers at the edge

1049
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:28.319
of the cage when the clock strikes
zero so they can just dart into the

1050
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.359
action. The wrestlers running and walking
to the ring and gingerly walking up the

1051
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.079
steps look scoofy couldn't agree more.
This came through a lot in the whole

1052
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:39.800
fucking the whole fucking theme music thing
is annoying just there. It's not the

1053
01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:43.239
rumble, Like, you don't need
music entrances that doesn't even get a pop

1054
01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:46.279
in this environment. You need those
wrestlers at the door, rattling the cage,

1055
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:50.359
chomping at the bit to save their
team members who were in peril.

1056
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.960
That's what you need, because the
whole thing is like, if you beat

1057
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.119
down someone enough, they're going to
be a sitting duck for submission once the

1058
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:01.880
match beyond begins. So both sides
are just like freaking out. The baby

1059
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:04.600
faces are freaking out because they're good
guys and they want to save their friends.

1060
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:09.439
The Heels are freaking out because they're
losing ground because they want the advantage.

1061
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:12.359
Right. Yeah. Number three,
coach the wrestlers to work in two

1062
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:14.960
rings more effectively. Too much of
the action was bunched up into one ring,

1063
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.560
and it made for some ugly visuals. Well, probably goes against a

1064
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:19.159
lot of muscle memory and training.
One of the things that makes war games

1065
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:23.520
special is using the extra real estate. I think we saw that when Kenny

1066
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:25.960
Omega through Claudio and the other ring. You got a pop. Yeah,

1067
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:30.479
yeah, yeah. I mean when
you use both rings exactly to do unique

1068
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.560
things that you can't do with one
ring, then you're you're you're doing it

1069
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.680
right. Number four established stakes for
the match. We're not in the territory

1070
01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:40.319
era where wrestlers where we'll hold on, where we getting mistakes, Yeah,

1071
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:44.159
that doesn't matter. We're talking you
know what are we talking here? Omaha

1072
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.239
golden steer steaks? Where now we're
talking of as Golden steer stakes. We're

1073
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:49.199
not a territory stair heels getting into
a cage to himmer them gets the heat

1074
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:51.880
at once? Did we see these
people beat up one another every week?

1075
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:55.920
There has to be something tangible at
stake for winning war games. For the

1076
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.640
competitors, well, we all probably
have more additions and subtractions. We prefer

1077
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.359
your weapons, submission, surrender only
roofed cages, et cetera. These feel

1078
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:05.800
like doable actions next time within the
WWB system. Yeah, Neil makes a

1079
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:09.720
good point, like a lot of
the things we pine for and insist on

1080
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.640
before we declare war games war games
are things WB just isn't going to do.

1081
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.680
But his suggestions are ones where they
can keep whatever they've decided our musts,

1082
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.479
you know, with no roof and
all that bullet right, while still

1083
01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.840
improving the match. Yeah, I
mean, everyone needs to be at cage

1084
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.359
side, man, I don't know
what the fuck you guys are doing.

1085
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.039
Everyone needs to be out there.
Every member of the team has to be

1086
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:29.960
down there. And I don't know
why they don't want to do that.

1087
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.359
I don't know why they think having
entrances adds to the breaks up the match

1088
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:35.960
and makes it dramatic, it gives
it something else. But this isn't a

1089
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.960
matter. That doesn't matter what it
does, it does break up the match,

1090
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.319
right, problem, Yes exactly,
I'm like, Okay, that stage

1091
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:45.119
of the match is over, like
now, I have to reset. Whereas

1092
01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:48.319
if it's continuous like that, it's
it's just you never take your eyes off

1093
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:50.760
the ring, and that's so key
and get in a match like war games,

1094
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:55.960
yep Um, Andy Hepburn, thanks
very much for the pledge. We

1095
01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:01.920
appreciate you getting into the Audrey sorry
healing brother, Audrey Hepburn, Ryan Harvey,

1096
01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:05.560
thanks for increasing your pledge. Matt, one of the most rock solid

1097
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:11.039
members of the Solar System who is
such a ride or die motherfucker when it

1098
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:15.800
comes to helping us on the hunt
for differentiated footage and research materials for the

1099
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:19.880
show, was able to join us
through no small series of miracles at the

1100
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:24.479
aforementions of Riverer's series Sweet Party,
and we look forward to seeing him again

1101
01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:29.239
real soon. Wrote us this letter
afterwards. Despite my travel exhaustion and the

1102
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:30.920
event itself, I had a blast
in the suite on Saturday. Thank you

1103
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.159
both for welcoming me. I had
so many conversations with like minded people that

1104
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:38.399
I'd never get to have otherwise.
I wish I could remember everyone's names Chris,

1105
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:41.479
Adam, JP's dad, Guy four
five, etc. But it was

1106
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.960
all true, every bit of it, and I'm grateful to have been welcomed.

1107
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.399
When I collapsed in my hotel beds
afterwards and started scrolling, I stumbled

1108
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:49.560
on a Twitter threat where people were
waxing nostalgiic about the glory days of war

1109
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.039
games, back when it was just
an NXT thing. The solar system needs

1110
01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:58.039
each other. Oh my god.
Right, I'm not saying I'm surprised,

1111
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.359
but seeing in person how the sausage
is made for your live calls took nothing

1112
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.520
away from my experience listening to it
during my trip home on Sunday. It

1113
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.000
only added. It's a notable testament
to the some of your parts. Sitting

1114
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:12.399
next to you in Gorilla for the
first few matches reminded me of that part.

1115
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.199
And catch me if you can,
where Tom Hanks's character finally gets Frank

1116
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:18.359
Abagnali Junior to admit how he passed
the bar exam. Yeah, I studied,

1117
01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:23.199
Or like when it was revealed how
David Blaine pulls off that trick where

1118
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:26.479
he eats someone's drinking glass. Turns
out he has put in the work and

1119
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:30.479
what he's doing is eating the fucking
glass. TLF was the realist thing in

1120
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:33.880
the garden. Well, Matt,
we were thrilled to have you there and

1121
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:39.079
absolutely always a pleasure. After all
these months, we're able to thank you

1122
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:43.760
for this note. Mukhor, thank
you very much for your pledge welcome in,

1123
01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.039
my friend. Same to e sc
that's how you prefer it be pronounced.

1124
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.800
We appreciate the cake clutch mcgutch.
Now that's somebody who you want in

1125
01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:54.960
your corner. Wow, I'll say, talk that sounds like a wrestler.

1126
01:18:55.399 --> 01:19:00.880
Fucking hell, Brian Blake, let's
see our good friend. And part of

1127
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.039
what is annoying with Punk is how
he wants to throw himself around like he's

1128
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:05.840
the Rock as a star, and
how he's doing people a favor by being

1129
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:10.680
around Meanwhile, twenty thirteen, Punk
moan forever about Sena and Rock head lighting

1130
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:15.159
WrestleMania because they got a bigger reaction
and we're a bigger attraction and bigger stars

1131
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:18.039
trying to spend that He and Taker
somehow was his key to the business.

1132
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.319
What Wardlow and MGF was basically more
talented, better versions. So this is

1133
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:25.760
all underneath our m a W double
or nothing coverage from right in twenty twenty

1134
01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.039
two episode brought to You by the
Hopper. By the way, so a

1135
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.479
lot of thought provoking stuff here from
Brian. You know, um it's great,

1136
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.199
he says. The only thing I
wish Jack mentioned after JP's effusive prage

1137
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:38.079
was how praise was how MJF was
then totally off TV for weeks and weeks

1138
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:41.319
that was a tough stretch of TV. Yeah, that was m I don't

1139
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:44.520
know, man, we went there, we saw him JF. He's he's

1140
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.199
the heart of the matter. He
is, he's so fucking good. He's

1141
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:50.359
so fucking good. What did you
think seeing him live at this stage of

1142
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:55.000
his development? Um, I mean, yeah, this is god. I

1143
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:59.399
guess I would imagine the last time
I saw him live was was it must

1144
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:01.920
have been a double nothing in the
first one? Yeah? Was he there?

1145
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.279
He was there for all in that
very first show we went to.

1146
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:10.079
Yeah, but was there for double
or nothing in in? Um? Yeah,

1147
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:11.560
forty sure, that was there.
Yeah, I think he was in

1148
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:16.039
the Battle Royal. I mean,
he's he's a fucking star and he's so

1149
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:24.319
good and I love it. I
often think back when like when I when

1150
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:28.880
I hear people going nuts for him, I often think back about that,

1151
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:32.359
uh that that when we were guests
on that on that on the on that

1152
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:38.920
podcast, and we we we we
we did the uh the list of dream

1153
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.960
rosters dream rosters, and I had
him on my list because I felt and

1154
01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.840
what you're talking him now yeah,
yeah, And now he's doing headlock takeovers

1155
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:50.199
for finishers. He's shooting spet to
the caloon. He's doing suicide dives.

1156
01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:55.159
After building it up for months,
he's I mean talking about slaming seven hundred

1157
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:59.079
pound giants on Twitter. Ah,
dude, if you get to, if

1158
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.720
you get to steal it all,
go ahead. Many at the fist pump

1159
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:08.279
leaves the imprint of dynamite time and
ring Nathan Garcia. Thanks very much for

1160
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:11.520
the pledge. We appreciate the cake
seem to you, Marcus Crouch. We'll

1161
01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:14.880
put that right in our fucking pocket. Thank you very much. Um.

1162
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:17.840
This is uh back from the Christmas
Show which we were so proud to bring

1163
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.279
you and look forward to bringing you
again. Christopher writes, after three long,

1164
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:25.760
busy and emotional shifts on the psych
ward and has an already lapsed aw

1165
01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:28.359
fantas has hit the perfect spot for
me on my day off Mary Christmas.

1166
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:31.800
To the lapsed co chairs, Maxim
and all the other gaping colocas of the

1167
01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:35.159
solar system, this feels like a
true forbidden feud. Are stolen fire nectar

1168
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:39.279
of the God's tier levels of satisfying
serendipity for me, So thank you all,

1169
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.199
so we do out there, folks
for the pot. You know,

1170
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.119
Steve Austin calls himself the podcast for
the working man, but I think we

1171
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.640
all know the truth. We know
what podcast gets you through the shift.

1172
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:57.640
Absolutely A Rinaldi. I thought aw
was going downhill when Punk was injured and

1173
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.960
has gotten worse after all out this
is. You know, it's hard to

1174
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.600
read this stuff now because so much
has happened, but it's funny to look

1175
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:08.880
back incherent storylines matches to feel the
same forgetting about people, et cetera.

1176
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:12.520
I hope the mjf raime backs picks
back up, but even his promos have

1177
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:15.399
become a bit monotonous. All rights
that Adam Page my friends are mean to

1178
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.760
me so I'm going to drink too
much was embarrassing. Yeah, yeah,

1179
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:23.039
Adam M. Page is kind of
rudderless right now. I don't know or

1180
01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:25.720
what he's supposed to be or what
we're supposed to latch onto with him.

1181
01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:30.199
It's time. Rob Strothman, thanks
very much for the pledge. We really

1182
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.840
appreciate it. About the Silverdome.
When I think on tlf X Boss and

1183
01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:39.079
I think of, like, what
do I want to make sure to not

1184
01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:44.680
forget about the past ten years of
doing the show the Silverdome. Oh yeah,

1185
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:48.159
about how little people seem to remember
how fucking brilliant that whole thing was.

1186
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:55.279
And I still remember that the sound
of getting to the water logged floor

1187
01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:59.840
of the Silverdome right proximate where Hogan
slamed Andre in eighty seven, and feelings

1188
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.319
if we were walking on water,
because we were, Yes, yes,

1189
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.920
I remember. I also remember being
afraid. This was so funny, like

1190
01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:12.439
feeling for some reason that it was
a lake in there, and it's like,

1191
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.920
well, no, man, it's
only like a foot deep, Like

1192
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:16.600
you can't be that fucking deep.
Like if I stepped there, I would

1193
01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:24.920
go to my wife's like, it's
right, it was. It was.

1194
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.680
It was just the sounds, the
texture. It's a SMR experience. If

1195
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:35.720
nothing else, it's the just the
and and and being there in the center

1196
01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:43.680
and looking up around and seeing what
was left of the building kind of being

1197
01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:45.479
if you you know, like kind
of being in the in the center the

1198
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:49.359
eye of a hurricane. You know, that's what it kind of seemed like,

1199
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:53.800
perfect I have a hurricane exactly,
because it seemed like storm torn and

1200
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:58.359
there was water everywhere, and ye, that sky had that blue right immediate

1201
01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:03.279
post storm blue to it. Hum
Man. That was just that was one

1202
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:08.600
of those things where it was like, you know, there's something, there's

1203
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:13.159
a life force pushing these moments into
existence for us. You know, there's

1204
01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.399
some there's some if you believed in
these things, there are some invisible hand

1205
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:17.600
saying no, you guys are doing
the right thing with your time. I

1206
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:24.039
know it might seem in quixotic and
stupid and foolish and risky, and I

1207
01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:27.439
love quixotic, so that's good for
me. So if you want to,

1208
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:29.399
if you want to find it.
Not only is it available you know,

1209
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.479
as an audio podcast in our in
our feed, but we also made a

1210
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.199
video of it. We actually prepared
it as part of our pre WrestleMania show

1211
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:40.359
that year. Ye and Boss put
it beautifully together with some of the still

1212
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:45.239
images we took within the rundown ends
of the Silverdome and and video of the

1213
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:49.239
absolute deplorable body slam. Now we
had to run tape for that. This

1214
01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:54.119
was some business has been finished,
I think you said right, Business has

1215
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:57.479
been finished? Yes, And it's
available on YouTube. Just type in Silverdome

1216
01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:00.680
Elapsed Pilgrimage and it's up there.
It will come up there. Let's see

1217
01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:02.520
what David has to say. Dearest
co Chairs, I wanted to write to

1218
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:05.960
you today to relay an experience that
I didn't think anyone besides me and a

1219
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:11.279
close friend of mine would ever care
about. I am relatively new to TLF

1220
01:25:11.359 --> 01:25:14.600
and the Solar system, and as
such, I've been going through the catalog

1221
01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:18.279
from the beginning. I felt a
little movement in crotch of my pants when

1222
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:24.800
I saw a specific title. It
lapsed Pilgrimage the pot Yank Silverdome. I

1223
01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:28.880
listened to it and was riveted,
not only because it was an engrossing audio

1224
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:31.800
drama, but because I have a
personal experience with that very building. That

1225
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:36.520
is what brings me to write you
this email today. July eighth, two

1226
01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:41.479
thousand and three, only a euros
or so. After the Detroit Lions moved

1227
01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.079
to ford Field, me and my
best friend, who was also an old

1228
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:50.840
school WWE fan, went to Metallica's
Summer Sanitarium show, which was an all

1229
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:58.439
day concert with five big bands and
none other than the fabled Pontyanc Silverdome.

1230
01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:00.640
It was only a couple hour drive
for us, and we were big fans

1231
01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.520
of the band, but That's not
all that was on our mind. As

1232
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:09.319
we barreled down the highway heading to
the show, talk of one thing dominated

1233
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:13.760
to the car ride. We were
going to the Silver Dome. Yes,

1234
01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:16.000
the sign of WrestleMania three. Yes, pulled there for some strange reason.

1235
01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:21.159
You know there's nothing there, yep. Of course, I remember catching my

1236
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:25.199
first in person view of it.
It was in the distance still, but

1237
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:29.600
the enormity of the place stood out
against the vivid blue afternoon sky. We

1238
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.880
were early for purposes that will soon
become clear. The parking lot had not

1239
01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:36.800
yet seen much volume for the upcoming
show, and as we rolled up to

1240
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:41.800
the Silver Dome, all I could
think was that I think of think was

1241
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:47.560
what it must have been like on
March twenty nine seven. I imagined all

1242
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.039
those kids in the backseats of their
parents' cards that they pulled up and took

1243
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:57.319
in their first glimpse of the dome, The butterflies that they must have been.

1244
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.000
They must have felt, knowing they
were going to see Hogan versus Andre.

1245
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:04.199
Little did they know they'd see so
much more than that. Little did

1246
01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:08.720
they know they'd not only witnessed,
but be a part of history that night.

1247
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:12.479
I mean every time I see any
still images from outside the Silver Dome

1248
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:15.399
the day of WrestleMania the afternoon and
oh yeah, oh god, any footage

1249
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.600
of that like sun kissed after,
I just I shut down. I just

1250
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:24.920
have to sit there and go what
happened? Like what we had it?

1251
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:31.520
Yep, we had it. Yep. We get out of the car and

1252
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:35.600
approached the Mantras Place. I was
fortunate enough to have received two passes for

1253
01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:40.039
the concert that allowed my friend and
I'd have access to some backstage areas.

1254
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:44.960
While the idea of trying to meet
some of our favorite musicians was tempting,

1255
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:50.359
the lure of WrestleMania three was stronger. Security must have either thought we were

1256
01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:55.399
cleared to roam free or simply didn't
care, because nobody stood in our way

1257
01:27:55.399 --> 01:28:00.520
when we decided to go exploring.
The place was falling up part in those

1258
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:06.920
days, in those days, in
Jesus Christ's fall apart up until down twenty

1259
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:12.560
year death. Yeah, and was
fairly dingy, but we didn't care.

1260
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.920
We were high off the historic fumes. We took the opportunity to find the

1261
01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:20.239
Lions old locker room and guessed that
it was probably the main backstage area for

1262
01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:26.920
the wrestlers that legendary night so long
ago. Wandering around, we found offices,

1263
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:30.880
bathrooms, Jesus Christ, they fucking
did us janitist closets, and all

1264
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.680
the stuff you'd expect to find in
the bowels of a huge stadium. Well,

1265
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:40.640
that doesn't seem too exciting. It
felt to us like what wandering around

1266
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:45.399
an ancient Roman colisseum must feel like. We poked around like archaeologists for what

1267
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:48.760
felt like days. Dude, I'm
with you, this is all great.

1268
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.520
I love it. One more trip
to the locker room area and it was

1269
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:57.399
showtime. But more importantly, it
was time for our main event. Our

1270
01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:00.119
plan was to walk out onto the
floor from where the wrestlers entered at the

1271
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.560
mains three. We were going to
walk that long aisle out to where the

1272
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:09.159
ring would have been. Sadly,
the concert stage set up may that impossible,

1273
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:12.840
but all hope was not lost.
Since we were in early the floor

1274
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:18.960
was still sparsely, sparsely, sparsely, sparsely, sparsely, sparsely, thank

1275
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:24.680
you populated. My friend and I
looked at each other and we knew that

1276
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:29.720
there was one thing left to do, the most important thing. We used

1277
01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:32.560
our collective knowledge and located precisely where
the ring would have been that night in

1278
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.359
nineteen eighty seven, and we made
our way there. Before long, we

1279
01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:41.079
were standing in the exact spot.
We both were taken with the situation,

1280
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:45.199
the rush of what it must have
been like to stand in that ring and

1281
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:49.119
look around at the countless people.
My god, we were both racked with

1282
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:56.479
emotion, and we both knew what
time it was. I'm a smaller of

1283
01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:59.119
the two, so I was the
one to go up. I leaned in

1284
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:02.920
close and waited. Suddenly I was
off my feet and the Silver Dome was

1285
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:08.760
upside down. My friend dropped me
gently, but still hard enough for us

1286
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:14.079
to consider it what it was,
a body slam. I got slammed in

1287
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:20.039
the exact same spot the ring was
during WrestleMania three in the Pontiac Silverdome.

1288
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:24.640
People around us laughed or looked at
us like we were lunatics, but we

1289
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:27.560
didn't care. I took the ride
leg on with the giant, and my

1290
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.880
buddy slammed me like Hogan in the
exact spot that had happened all those years

1291
01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:34.600
ago. The upcoming concert didn't seem
to matter as much and felt like a

1292
01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:39.239
bonus to us. After that,
we did what we were what we went

1293
01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:43.880
there to do. We still talk
about it to this day. Keep up

1294
01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:46.760
the incredible work, gentleman. As
do we still talk about it to this

1295
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:50.399
day? Yes? Indeed. No
small coincidence then that back in May,

1296
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:57.079
the comedian and songwriter John Lejois were
released a riveting music video starring all of

1297
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.960
his LJN figures called Whole Coogan Slammed
on the Giant. You better believe when

1298
01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:04.800
that came out, everybody was directing
it our way on Twitter. And it's

1299
01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:09.760
just a song about the exact thing
we're talking about, and it's a video

1300
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.600
about the exact thing we're talking about. And so that was another great thing

1301
01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:17.199
about that lapsed pilgrimage is to realize
we truly were not alone in feeling a

1302
01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:25.159
pull to those totally ratty Detroit environs. Ye, Gregory Davis, thank you

1303
01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:28.119
very much for that generous pledge right
out of the gate. You are now

1304
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:31.520
an executive producer, my friend,
and we appreciate it very much. Josh

1305
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:36.720
Wright, same to you, Thanks
very much for the cake. Ellis writes

1306
01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:40.439
after we did Double or Nothing twenty
twenty two. I do think it's important

1307
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:43.319
that Jack and JP stepped their toe
into modern waters once in a blue moon,

1308
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:45.960
because then we can come on Patreon
and show how we're really not any

1309
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:48.800
better than the modern fan that we
professtivate as we go into our little tribes

1310
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.640
and mock everyone who disagrees with us. Yes, that's part of the reason

1311
01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:54.960
we did it, or agreed to
do it, is because we knew it

1312
01:31:55.000 --> 01:32:00.119
would reveal truths about the sickness.
Yep, Mike Poolin thinks very much for

1313
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:04.920
your moat tier level pledge. You
are now a legend UM. James Irwin

1314
01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:10.479
White writes, I'm sorry to say, but the ex Caliber Hooks SoundBite might

1315
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:14.840
be one of my new favorites.
I put down my caliber a long time

1316
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:18.439
ago that kind of and it brought
a Dorman fought up up again. Patrick

1317
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:21.840
Heron, thank you very much.
Great to have your support. John Hooker

1318
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:28.000
had a great piece of business for
us UM related to our Double or Nothing

1319
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:31.960
show UM, where we of course
covered Sam Punk beating Adam Page and the

1320
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:36.079
promos before that that led to the
blow up at the backstage fight. The

1321
01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:40.119
brawl out is door and called,
and you know that LUPA has been closed

1322
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.359
in a lot of ways as Punk
is now back in a W but still

1323
01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:46.760
being kept substantially separate. Yeah,
what a company. What a shit show?

1324
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:50.039
Of course only in fake sports Man, Absolutely yeah, because it's fake,

1325
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:54.079
it becomes that real, right.
But I think John had some nice

1326
01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:58.560
thoughts co Chairs. I was surprised
that you agreed to cover Double or Nothing

1327
01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:01.399
twenty twenty two. As a die
hard lapsed fan and also a huge aew

1328
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:04.560
mark, I enjoyed the hell out
of it. I also felt the need

1329
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:10.000
to contradict a couple of claims you
made on the cast. Jack said at

1330
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:15.119
the two hour thirty three mark of
part one, There's nobody you'll find who

1331
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:20.279
was preconditioned to take one side that
ends up taking the other. There's nobody

1332
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:27.000
what that means. There's people basically
had made up their minds about all they

1333
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:29.760
liked Spunk more than the young Bucks
before this all happened, and then just

1334
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:33.079
fell in line. I guess I'm
the outlier. Punk's pipe Bomb brought me

1335
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.720
back from being lapsed for like the
third time since I became a fan,

1336
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:41.359
and Money in the Bank twenty eleven
is the first tape of view I ever

1337
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:45.560
attendant in person. Despite watching this
shit since eighty seven It probably had something

1338
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:47.359
to do with the fact I was
about to go through a divorce at the

1339
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:51.880
time and needed my own voice of
the voiceless. But that notwithstanding, I

1340
01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:56.680
embraced Punk fully. I went to
the first dance and loved it. However,

1341
01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:00.760
I also attended the recent Thanksgiving Eve
Dynamite Chicago, and when the crowd

1342
01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:06.520
chanted see him, Punk high injected
interdicted sucks between utterances as loud as I

1343
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:11.119
could. I hope Chicago he's doing
well now, I know, right,

1344
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:17.600
Chicago, Phil is an asshole.
Fucked that guy. Um, I mean,

1345
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:24.640
I see his point. I don't
necessarily think you were meaning like that

1346
01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:27.439
far back. No, No,
I wasn't. No I was. I

1347
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:31.800
was thinking like There are people who
thought AW was going to be completely imbued

1348
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:35.520
with the indie spirit, hot topic, t shirt spirit of the young Bucks,

1349
01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:40.039
and when CM punk came in,
they realized that Tony Khan saw something

1350
01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:42.920
more than that, or at least
he saw it as a more diverse top

1351
01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.680
of the picture, or at least
right the kind of acts that he was

1352
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:49.279
comfortable to finding a w went beyond
what the elite created. That was just

1353
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:51.640
like the seed Capital, if you
will, for the whole thing, the

1354
01:34:51.760 --> 01:35:02.039
seed energy of the thing. And
I mean, like I I, yeah,

1355
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.359
I'm trying to I don't remember where
I don't think I give a shit.

1356
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:06.720
Actually, I'm trying to think where
I stood in the matter. No,

1357
01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:10.439
no, I don't think you had
a strong thought one way or the

1358
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:12.880
other. And I don't think when
c him Punk first first came into a

1359
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:15.399
w people did either. It's when
there started to be a realization that like,

1360
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:17.399
wait a minute, Punk is not
only coming in, he's gonna win

1361
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:20.439
the world title and he's going to
be the person they pushes the face of

1362
01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:24.720
aw and he's gonna probably all the
elite guys along the way. Most of

1363
01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:28.479
course, that's what he's supposed to
do. You know, he's the money

1364
01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:31.960
player. And so it was it
was like, you know, because everything

1365
01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:34.880
got built without him, you know, It's like all the money to pay

1366
01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:40.199
him was there because others proved to
be the money players, and when he

1367
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:42.640
came in, it was like,
well, guys, like we kind of

1368
01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:45.640
have to I don't know what they're
paying him, but they're paying him enough

1369
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:47.520
that he kind of has to be
the guy here. We can't pay him

1370
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:51.840
this much and have him not be
the champion. And you know what,

1371
01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:55.960
I just don't. I never saw
any problem with that except that he fucking

1372
01:35:56.039 --> 01:36:00.319
got injured. That was a big
problem. Yeah, that was a problem.

1373
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:02.640
And I'm actually thrilled that he hasn't
gotten hurt since because he's worked really

1374
01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.880
hard in some of his matches into
and he's still holding up, which is

1375
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:10.359
good. But yeah, there was
a big problem. And and yeah,

1376
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:12.640
so I think people, you know, it's kind of like, um,

1377
01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:15.199
you know, you have a party
in high school, and it starts with

1378
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:18.199
the ten kids that you actually want
a party with, and then word gets

1379
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:20.920
out through three or four other kids
and then like the kids you don't even

1380
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:24.520
like show up, and like,
right, that's that's kind of what it

1381
01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:27.439
was. It's like, all of
a sudden, you thought you had your

1382
01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:29.920
little click and you realize that like, if the party gets big enough,

1383
01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:31.119
you're the cool kids are going to
be the cool kids, no matter who

1384
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:38.920
you think you are. You know, yep, yep, um all right,

1385
01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:43.399
And here he goes with second claim, I've attended more non pandemic aw

1386
01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:49.039
pay per views in person than not. I haven't. Okay, I don't

1387
01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:53.159
know. I think he's saying he
was he's gone to more than he's watched

1388
01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:56.800
on it just TV, I see, and had the pleasure of briefly discussing

1389
01:36:56.840 --> 01:37:00.840
post monitism with you two. Yes, I remember that, that conversation at

1390
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:05.840
the bottom of the escalator, and
yes, damn fucking right. Um gratuitous

1391
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:11.000
shout out aside the weird disjointed build
for Hangman versus Punk at this show that

1392
01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:15.439
Jack said didn't prevent anyone from going, actually kept me from buying a ticket.

1393
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.880
Chicago was a day to day trip
for me, and aw was a

1394
01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:23.159
lone bright spot each week during the
pandemic. Despite being a huge punk mark,

1395
01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:27.399
this whole thing felt off putting,
and you uncovered why during this cast.

1396
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:30.800
It wasn't about business, it was
about egos. You can include Tony

1397
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:35.119
Conamy in this indictment. I can't
stand him by the way. I can't.

1398
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:39.319
I mean, I know, I
think I think nowadays most fans can't.

1399
01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:43.319
But fucking Tony Khan's face, oh
yeah, faces, and he knows

1400
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.560
it, and oh, I'm just
like, dude, you have no business

1401
01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:50.199
being on TV at all. Well, you know, his voice, his

1402
01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:54.119
face, everything. I just want
to give him credit. He doesn't make

1403
01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:58.319
himself a character. He shows up
just as like a Jack Tony. That's

1404
01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:00.800
yeah, No, it's fine.
I still don't want him on TV.

1405
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:06.119
I hear you. I'm not interested
at all. I'm not interest seeing that

1406
01:38:06.199 --> 01:38:11.279
fucking face. I'm not interested in
seeing his his his stupid hair. You

1407
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:15.279
know. It's been kind of weird
about that though, is that when he

1408
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.000
promotes on social media that he's going
to have a big announcement and then he

1409
01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:23.560
shows up for like ten seconds on
AWE announcement, it gets it makes a

1410
01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.520
difference in the ratings. Like I
kind of feel like, really, yeah,

1411
01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:30.880
I kind of feel like he's proven
that he's not trying to put himself

1412
01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:34.319
on television because he deep down wants
to be on television already. I think

1413
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:39.760
he's proven that and now he's like
kind of obliged. Every now and then,

1414
01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:43.560
when when kind of the buzz gets
soft to Montoni con makes an appearance,

1415
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:45.520
it actually means something in that he's
not going to do it unless he

1416
01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.359
has an announcement of consequence, like
announcing the All Show in London, or

1417
01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:54.159
announcing ce him Punk's return for Collision, or announcing that aw Collision will be

1418
01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:58.800
debuting in the Chicago whatever. However, he staggered those announcements like that.

1419
01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:02.000
Yeah, um so I almost feel
like when I see him on TV,

1420
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:06.760
it's because he kind of ought to
do it that way, because it's the

1421
01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:11.199
most impactful way to make an announcement. But his yea, his manner is,

1422
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:15.159
you know, it's incredibly hard to
watch the way he talks and just

1423
01:39:15.319 --> 01:39:18.000
not feel like kind of cringed about
it. It's of course, I hope,

1424
01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:20.520
I hope he would realize that,
like he watched himself on TV,

1425
01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:23.359
like, oh man, I come, I'm kind of I'm kind of a

1426
01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:27.880
goofy, kind of a goofy essence
to me. It's kind of like impolite

1427
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.239
and in politic to bring it up, but everybody should be thinking that if

1428
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:32.479
they're being honest, you know,
which fine. I mean, as he

1429
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:36.079
goes forward, he's got the awkward
thing where he hugs people and you know,

1430
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:41.199
he's like he's all out there.
He doesn't he apparently doesn't give a

1431
01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:45.319
fuck. So yeah, it's like
brock Lessner in that way. Yeah,

1432
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:51.479
and that oyel, he really he
really doesn't give a shit. Um feel

1433
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:56.840
the greatest interview of all time.
Most tickets were bundled for all three events

1434
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:59.800
of Dynamite rampage double or nothing until
a couple of days before the show.

1435
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:03.000
There was also an increase in ticket
prices from previous Chicago events. I wasn't

1436
01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:06.159
about to drop four hundred dollars on
a ticket for three shows and try to

1437
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:10.920
resell the less coveted two of them
because I lived too far away and couldn't

1438
01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:14.079
go. I was willing to pay
the day of show prices for the single

1439
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:17.000
ticket on a reseller site, but
the build was too strange for me to

1440
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:21.800
commit to dropping the cash and making
the drive, considering I bought a plane

1441
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:27.359
ticket to watch Hayman beat Omega at
full gear about six months before. That's

1442
01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:30.680
a problem for AWE. I think
that has gone away. I think there

1443
01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.279
was that initial I could be wrong
about this. I don't have any empirical

1444
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:38.279
things to say this, and I'm
not sure anyone does but besides aw themselves.

1445
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:40.720
But I feel like that first year
and a half or so, first

1446
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:43.920
two years, and then right if
they came off the pandemic, the idea

1447
01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:46.079
of traveling to aw shows was still
a thing. There was still like a

1448
01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:48.239
porpoise of people that were like,
We're gonna go to all of them,

1449
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.920
We're gonna fly to all of them, because there's only forty year, right,

1450
01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:55.600
and I think that no one travels
anymore. I think, like when

1451
01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:58.279
I see AW crowds, I think
these are all locals, no matter where

1452
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:00.239
they go or how big the show
is, including Double or Nothing this year,

1453
01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:03.600
which was you know, becoming their
thing where it was destination Vegas event,

1454
01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:06.640
and they did in Vegas again this
year, but the crowd was it

1455
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:10.520
just seemed a lot thinner. It
just seemed like a lot more you know,

1456
01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:15.760
a reflection of Las Vegas' percentage of
wrestling viewership than it did, you

1457
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:19.039
know, people from all of the
world descending on on Vegas for a Double

1458
01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:23.119
or Nothing. People still travel,
but there's no way there's as many of

1459
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:27.119
them as there used to be.
Yeah, yeah, they'll still they'll wait

1460
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:30.439
for it to come to their city, right, right, like like a

1461
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.439
fucking normal right. Yes, inevitably
conce if they're running week every in a

1462
01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:38.720
building. Of course, of course, Jack, I agree with you most

1463
01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:40.640
of the time and love your work. I just had to let you know

1464
01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:44.680
that some of this bullshit did affect
my spending decisions as a huge fan of

1465
01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:47.960
a w and warned that this may
be a bell weather of things to come

1466
01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:53.760
for the most devoted fans of the
product. For the most devoted fans,

1467
01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:57.920
if the product continues to me under
creative decisions matter and as I send this

1468
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:00.119
ratings or slumping JP, I agree
that MJ is the future of wrestling.

1469
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:04.279
It remains to be seen of AW
can maximize no pun intended his value while

1470
01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:09.119
he's still under contract co chairs.
Thank you for reading. At the previously

1471
01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:12.920
mentioned star cast, I tweeted you
a picture of me wearing me I'm just

1472
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:16.600
a guy shirt during a meet and
greet with Mash while Kafa in my face.

1473
01:42:17.239 --> 01:42:20.119
To make this email worth your while, I'm attaching a picture of me

1474
01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:25.000
ka fab in my face once again
while it's getting my picture taken outside Mindy's

1475
01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:29.520
Bakery in Chicago during Thanksgiving week this
year. I listen to you guys every

1476
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.079
day, Love you and thank you
for your company. Mindy's Bakery is no

1477
01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:36.359
that's a place cmpuck got the muffins
he was chewing off. Oh get the

1478
01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:41.079
fuck out of here. Really that's
amazing, So good stuff, man,

1479
01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:43.960
Thank you very much. I don't
remember going that hard on this idea that

1480
01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:47.159
like no one is not going to
watch AW because of this because I don't

1481
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:50.359
know, maybe I didn't have as
much hindsight. It's clear that it did

1482
01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:55.399
harm their business to have this ton
of disharmony. This kind of like drama

1483
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:58.199
because it wasn't just a fact that
this happened, it was the fact that

1484
01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:01.920
it manifested in a kind of a
direction US TV environment, because all anybody

1485
01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:05.439
want to talk about were the four
wrestlers who were never on the show because

1486
01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:09.840
they were all suspected because of this
bullshit, right, and that really hurts,

1487
01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:15.920
you know when it's almost like the
ras after Montreal, right, right,

1488
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.520
they're doing all the stuff characters they
have, but no one gives a

1489
01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:20.119
shit. The only thing they care
about is like how they're going to frame

1490
01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:24.760
Montreal this week, except here due
to the way they handled it legally,

1491
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:27.680
they couldn't talk talk about it for
a second, and can talk about it

1492
01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:30.159
for a second. You know,
it's alloy cared about. So that's gonna

1493
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:32.119
necessarily lead to a slump. I
think they climbed out of it to some

1494
01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:35.760
degree now that Punk's back, it's
helped a bit, but um, that's

1495
01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:40.359
hilarious. That to me is the
funniest part is that of course he's the

1496
01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:42.840
guy taking them out of it,
like out of the slum. Yeah.

1497
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.880
Yeah, because eventually it's like,
well, I guess if he comes back,

1498
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.239
it's exciting if nothing else, and
that's what we need. It's like,

1499
01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:49.880
yeah, exactly, that's why he
was paid so much and has its

1500
01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:54.880
prominent position in the first place.
Yeah, so he brings that sustainable excitement

1501
01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:58.039
even if he rubs you the wrong
way. Yeah, that's right, Paul,

1502
01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:00.920
the same stand. Thanks for that
fucking deep ledge. Matthew Munns,

1503
01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:04.159
thanks very much for up in your
game and earning at Damien Thorne, welcome

1504
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:08.680
to the executive producer to you or
my friend, writes YE chairman and Nathan

1505
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:11.119
for Detroit here, Jack, thank
you for a little gems of wrestling knowledge.

1506
01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:13.479
He keeps sprinkling into my life.
Much appreciated, both of you.

1507
01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:15.840
Thank you for being hilarious and engaging. I would literally give up all other

1508
01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:18.479
podcasts if that's what I had to
do to keep the lapsed fan. I've

1509
01:44:18.479 --> 01:44:21.000
been listening to The Double or Nothing
Shell. I wanted to make up observations.

1510
01:44:21.079 --> 01:44:24.760
One. I totally agree that almost
everyone just sided with the person they

1511
01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:27.680
liked and the punk for salite thing. It's human nature to just side with

1512
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.479
whomever you wanted to like in the
first place, and I honestly think my

1513
01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:31.800
life would be easier if I were
like that. In this case, I

1514
01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:34.520
had Punk since he was in WWE, and hated the Bucks since the first

1515
01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:38.239
time I saw them. I finally
started dating a young Bucks when I started

1516
01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:41.600
watching You Wow. You hate them
all both? Yeah, hate them all.

1517
01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:44.800
You gotta respect that. After being
on the Jericho Cruise and getting interested.

1518
01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:46.359
Then I started appreciating Punk a little
bit when he had some good promos

1519
01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:49.239
with them JF. I initially thought
the Bucks were wrong. Once I learned

1520
01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:51.640
more, I realized they were probably
all being assholes at first. However,

1521
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:54.800
once you throw a punch or the
bad guy, that was Punk. So

1522
01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:57.479
whoever was said, whatever was said
before, too fucking bad. You don't

1523
01:44:57.479 --> 01:44:59.479
get to hit people in the real
world, Punk, you were now the

1524
01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:01.159
bad guy. Someone can call me
whatever they want, and they that may

1525
01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:03.720
make them a dick, but if
I assault them, I have stolen the

1526
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.520
roll of the dick. Punk is
more of a dick than the others,

1527
01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:10.479
even if they are all still dicks. Two, those remarks about how you

1528
01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:12.600
have to be an asshole to make
it in wrestling, and that's what wrestling

1529
01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:15.640
is all about. Always strike me
as too narrowed in. Of course,

1530
01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:17.680
almost anytime someone says all none every
time or anything like that, it's just

1531
01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:19.920
wrong. But that's just how people
like to talk. So that's fine for

1532
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:24.000
this well stated argument, which is
true if you throw on almost in there

1533
01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.680
a few times. Yeah, the
wiggle words, I suppose are important.

1534
01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:31.279
I kind of think, you know, just do away with the wiggle words

1535
01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:34.960
and see what happens. That's kind
of my mentality on things. You could

1536
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:39.439
take the word wrestling out and replace
it with Hollywood, corporate America, sports

1537
01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:42.600
journalism, professional poker, just about
anything where people deal with other people in

1538
01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:45.159
public, and it would still be
true. You were not noticing something about

1539
01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:47.399
wrestling that is unique. You were
noticing something about the life that is ubiquitous.

1540
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.720
You deserve credit for that, and
I don't like you selling yourself short.

1541
01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:54.000
Come on, guys, recognize your
own brilliance. It's a world of

1542
01:45:54.039 --> 01:45:56.920
assholes out there. Wrestling is not
more or less like that than the music

1543
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:59.520
industry, the theater world, movies, TV. You've worked in the mall,

1544
01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:00.960
boss, Tell me, does it
strike you that wrestling is full of

1545
01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:15.159
more assholes than theater, TV movies
more assholes. I don't know about more.

1546
01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:23.760
I would say there is a um, they're just a unique brand.

1547
01:46:24.039 --> 01:46:27.640
Yes, I think it's a more
accurate way to put it. I don't.

1548
01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:30.439
I don't know if they're necessarily more. I think the difference between the

1549
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:33.000
film world asshole and the wrestling asshole, as far as I mean, it's

1550
01:46:33.079 --> 01:46:44.560
kind of just like there, you
know, I think it has to do

1551
01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:51.520
with this, like it's the trust. It's the trust. Really nobody trusts

1552
01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:57.159
anybody in the wrestling business, you
know, because like you get this idea

1553
01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:00.319
that you're you're all going, you
got to protect your spot and shit all

1554
01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:04.359
that stuff, And I don't think
that's necessarily I could be maybe I'm being

1555
01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:08.560
naive in that in that in that
way, but I don't think it's like

1556
01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:15.199
that. Yeah, you know,
I don't think it's I mean, yeah,

1557
01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:17.079
sure, you want like if you're
if you're a box office draw,

1558
01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:20.000
you're kind of like fighting for your
spot, but you're not always competing with

1559
01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:29.520
somebody else for the spot, you
know, like Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt

1560
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:35.760
aren't competing to be the top guy. Right If you're the top guy you're

1561
01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:40.760
the top guy, you know whatever. At first, Tom cruises that Dwayne

1562
01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:46.079
Johnson is starting to get a lot
of action roles, don't right exactly.

1563
01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:51.960
I think that's just room for one, which is wrestling drills that mentality in

1564
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.560
the beforemance that only room for one. This town isn't big enough for both

1565
01:47:56.600 --> 01:48:00.159
of us, of course it is, but right, No, that's going

1566
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:02.119
back forever, man, that's going
back to you know, we just saw

1567
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:04.840
the Junkyard Dog documentary on Dark Side, and one of the big things was

1568
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:09.600
like, you know, he came
up in an era where there was just

1569
01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:13.560
spot in the card for one African
American baby face, right, and even

1570
01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:16.359
if your territory had a bad African
American baby face someone, it wasn't very

1571
01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:21.760
good. You didn't want another baby
face black wrestler because there can only be

1572
01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:27.039
one. And that kind of scarcity
mentality is what the promoters drilled into the

1573
01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:30.920
talent to create a constant insecurity and
a constant dependence. You know, years

1574
01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:33.439
in movies you could incredibly say that
it's like, no, actually, there's

1575
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:35.880
plenty of pie to go around.
Like just The Rockets a hit movie.

1576
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:39.760
It doesn't mean mission impossible. It's
going to be any less, right,

1577
01:48:40.119 --> 01:48:45.159
And it doesn't mean that that that
that people are gonna think less of Tom

1578
01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:49.199
Cruise or anything. You know,
like everyone's everyone's still gonna go see the

1579
01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:51.560
fucking you know, they're gonna go
see the Rock movie. And then I

1580
01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:57.479
mean, i'll tell you what.
This weekend is a great example. Well,

1581
01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:00.840
you've got these two mega movies that
came out, the Barbie Movie and

1582
01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:08.760
um Oppenheimer Oppenheimer, and they celebrated
it. Actually that these two big and

1583
01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:13.239
it became it became a thing,
goes to the double feature. I love

1584
01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:15.239
it, you know, I love
it. It's like it's like Starcade and

1585
01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:19.680
uh currob series on the same night, right, except they're not trying to

1586
01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:23.560
kill each other. They're trying to
say, actually, let's make this a

1587
01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:27.640
night to watch wrestling, right,
which is what the cable companies eventually insisted

1588
01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:30.239
on doing because they weren't about the
you know, WWF forcing them to pick

1589
01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:33.319
one pay per view over another.
They wanted both, and eventually they did.

1590
01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:36.279
They got Crockett to move on their
show a bit earlier and started to

1591
01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:39.880
try to push you know, a
day of wrestling back to back pay per

1592
01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:43.720
views. That's that's the nirvana,
you know. So, I mean that's

1593
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:46.279
what I would say. That to
me is the is the is the biggest

1594
01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:50.239
difference. And I mean also you
know too, I mean, at least

1595
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:56.359
I'll say in my in in in
the stuff that I've done in theater,

1596
01:49:56.560 --> 01:50:03.640
there is a much more family and
um environment, yeah, you know,

1597
01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:09.199
like you're not WW is a little
more like that. Now. Sure it's

1598
01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:11.239
just see him Punk came, you
know, see him Punk is the kind

1599
01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:15.399
of guy who just assumes that everybody
talks shit about him behind his back,

1600
01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:17.319
and you know, he's just right. He always says his guard up and

1601
01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:20.000
that's fine. I mean, that's
that's he's travels. You know, people

1602
01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:24.880
did talk shit about his career.
He had to, right, he had

1603
01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:28.640
to view people as you know,
trying to chop him down when he wasn't

1604
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:33.520
looking because they were right right.
Um. And you know sees himself as

1605
01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:38.279
the person who's always trying to be
the bigger person and then gets his his

1606
01:50:38.399 --> 01:50:42.239
handbit for that. Yeah, that's
always that. That's the downside of being

1607
01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:45.680
the bigger person. Is you gotta
like you gotta not return fire when you

1608
01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:48.039
get right. I mean, that's
just it, right, You know,

1609
01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:57.560
the it's like his his uh honesty
and desire to be a decent person is

1610
01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:00.560
like naw, dude, shut up. Yeah, that's what's off about top

1611
01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:02.159
guy who actually you know, has
trained to fight, and it's kind of

1612
01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:05.000
like excited to fight. It was
supposed to hogre he would never throw a

1613
01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:08.399
real punch in his life, you
know, he just right, he would

1614
01:51:08.439 --> 01:51:12.319
just take these things and they'd roll
off his back because he he wouldn't be

1615
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:14.840
shit if he tried to physically confront
some of the people that were you know,

1616
01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:17.640
I mean, he was like a
cowering dog who had to find way.

1617
01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:19.960
He talks about this in a second
book. It's no mystery that he's

1618
01:51:19.960 --> 01:51:24.199
just not a fan of physical confrontation
outside of you know, phony wrestling matches,

1619
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:27.279
and so he just had to find
a way to more, you know,

1620
01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:32.520
subtly and artistically get his way and
keep his way and make friends out

1621
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:36.079
of enemies, right then just confronting
them straight up and just be like,

1622
01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:39.840
let's fucking fight, you know,
like, okay, well you can,

1623
01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:43.760
you can take that route, but
that's you're gonna get. You're gonna get

1624
01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:46.000
sort of put in a box by
the batch of course, if you go

1625
01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:51.560
there, Um what general whatever,
don't care. I don't care if they

1626
01:51:51.640 --> 01:51:55.960
fight again. It's not going to
break my heart. If there's a fight

1627
01:51:56.039 --> 01:51:58.960
in aw locker room, right,
I don't care as much about that as

1628
01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:00.159
any fight there's ever been in a
wrestling locker room. I mean, there's

1629
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:03.239
also just kind of like a little
I don't know, it's it's so part

1630
01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:06.600
of me and I think I said
this too. It just feels so bitchy,

1631
01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:13.640
like just totally it's an environment of
motion. Just everyone's lutigious about it,

1632
01:52:14.199 --> 01:52:15.960
you know, like no one.
I don't think anybody was afraid the

1633
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.840
Dynamite Kid was going to sue Jacques
Rougeau for knocking them out with the role

1634
01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:19.880
of chords, you just knew that
next time they saw each other, ship

1635
01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:25.439
was on. Whereas now it's like, you know, everybody's got a lawyer,

1636
01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:28.159
you know everyone everyone's trying to win
in a court of law. And

1637
01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:30.760
what's the first thing lawyers tell you
to do? Don't say anything? So

1638
01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:32.760
this all fails up. Nobody says
anything. There's no clarity. Everyone can

1639
01:52:32.840 --> 01:52:36.359
run away with their own narratives,
read whatever they want into a little bit

1640
01:52:36.399 --> 01:52:40.640
that does drip out and the game
continues, and it's all fucking game.

1641
01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:44.399
Yep, you jocred it for that, Okay, yep, okay, brilliance,

1642
01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:45.720
yes, got it? Okay.
Just everything else is it's just part

1643
01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:48.039
of that crowd, and the whole
lot is slimy. All we can do

1644
01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:51.079
is watchers to keep our sanities,
enjoy the art for what it is,

1645
01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:54.720
and try to ignore the fact that
our favorite actor, wrestler, singer,

1646
01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:58.479
or sports hero is someone we probably
we would probably like if we talk to

1647
01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:00.640
them for a few minutes, and
hate them if we more about them.

1648
01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:04.000
They're all con artists, just kidding
me, all really almost all not They

1649
01:53:04.079 --> 01:53:09.000
all are. That's it. That's
it. I mean, you know you,

1650
01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:17.880
I mean the whole listen. It's
it's sad and most and I say

1651
01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:24.039
a lot of businesses are like this, but I would say in the in

1652
01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:32.439
the entertainment business, there is such
like to survive, there needs to be

1653
01:53:32.760 --> 01:53:36.600
an element of phoniness to you.
Yeah, disingenuous. Yeah, you need

1654
01:53:36.680 --> 01:53:42.199
to do that otherwise you just won't
survive, you know, right, I

1655
01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:44.760
mean, you got to pick your
battles. I don't think you need to

1656
01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:47.159
do that all the time, but
you know, if if you don't.

1657
01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:54.399
If you don't have the ability to
to be phony for certain occasions, then

1658
01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:59.000
you don't. Again, I don't. I don't like it, I think,

1659
01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:02.199
said. People talk about honesty like
like it's desirable. He said,

1660
01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:08.039
if honesty was introduced into American life, the whole system would collapse because it

1661
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:10.880
so much depends on us bullshitting each
other and then going off and do what

1662
01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:19.000
we want. If everybody was completely
honest with each other, literally, you

1663
01:54:19.039 --> 01:54:25.880
wouldn't do anything. Nothing would be
getting done because because there every there's not

1664
01:54:26.039 --> 01:54:30.359
a chance that every other person wouldn't
be criticizing you for something. You just

1665
01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:33.920
have to have the nose for when
in life you're dealing with somebody like a

1666
01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:40.319
superior or a boss or whatever who
has this thing about like I don't respect

1667
01:54:40.439 --> 01:54:43.720
yes men. You just have to
be on the lookout for those people.

1668
01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:46.039
And those are the people you push
back on, right, just you play

1669
01:54:46.079 --> 01:54:47.960
the game with them like you play
the game with people who want to be

1670
01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:50.800
flattered all the time. It's the
same. It comes from the same place,

1671
01:54:51.079 --> 01:54:56.560
you know. But some people they
hate the thought of being called yes

1672
01:54:56.640 --> 01:55:00.560
men so much that they welcome people
being contrary into their face and saying things

1673
01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:03.279
that sound like hard. True,
this is all you know. It's just

1674
01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:05.840
a different way to get the same
result. It's just to get someone on

1675
01:55:05.960 --> 01:55:10.319
your side. Right. But that's
your point. It's all phonyness. It's

1676
01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:14.439
just the moments of candor are just
as phony as the moments of you know,

1677
01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:18.039
empty praise or um you know,
insincere flattery or whatever whatever it is.

1678
01:55:18.479 --> 01:55:23.439
Yep, you're just doing kind of
what you think will smooth the path

1679
01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:25.880
for you and get you what you
want, right, I mean, right,

1680
01:55:26.359 --> 01:55:30.239
right, That's that's the world we're
talking about here. You just don't

1681
01:55:30.279 --> 01:55:32.920
want to You don't want to remind
the person you need something from of someone

1682
01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:36.800
that pisses them off. You want
to remind them of people they've seen that

1683
01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:41.920
felt like they were additive to their
life, help them, right. I

1684
01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:45.359
don't know that sound complicated to me, Nikki. Thank you very much for

1685
01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:46.600
the pledge. We appreciate it.
Welcome to the EPT here, Adam two.

1686
01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:48.880
Thanks very much for the cake.
We we love it very much and

1687
01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:53.880
we'll we'll put it to good use. James Erwins's JP, You're absolutely spot

1688
01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:57.520
on about Jr's fans supporting their brand. Nonsense, really making you overly aware

1689
01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:00.520
that you're devoting time and energy to
a corporation, not a big fight in

1690
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:02.680
the ring faker Otherwise, I think
Jim has really made that habit in the

1691
01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:04.880
past five years or so, and
I think his podcast is to blame.

1692
01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:08.960
I think now that he's broadcasting weekly
about insider stuff, it has crept into

1693
01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:12.199
his KAPE commentary more and more to
its detriment. One of my particular pet

1694
01:56:12.199 --> 01:56:15.279
hates is when he flippantly says that
two guys have a personal issue, like

1695
01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:18.159
he's writing a textbook to explain how
few stories are written. Dreadful all that

1696
01:56:18.199 --> 01:56:21.439
set, I still enjoy his old
man tangents and is very occasionally nostalgically good

1697
01:56:21.479 --> 01:56:26.800
call yeah me too. He's gone
though for the most part. But yeah,

1698
01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:29.720
he's had a lot of problems.
He was going to do the first

1699
01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:31.800
Collision show and then he like posted
a picture he's had a huge black eye,

1700
01:56:31.880 --> 01:56:34.600
and he's got a say Attica,
and he lost his voice and he's

1701
01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:42.319
on TNT like basically gasping for air. It's horrible. The guy doesn't that

1702
01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:45.319
doesn't belong anywhere anymore. Jason,
You're correct on both counts. He did

1703
01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:47.560
dumb Rock impressions on the real world. And Mike Musannan is a fraudulent human

1704
01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:50.760
being, nothing behind those eyes but
a sociopathic need for fame. And this

1705
01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:56.600
is before we did the Marine Journey. Wow, Tyrone Terrell, thank you

1706
01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:59.159
very much for the cake. We
appreciated. Heath Harshman, thank you for

1707
01:56:59.279 --> 01:57:01.920
joining all the way up at least
at one point the tip top Moat tier.

1708
01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:04.520
Matt Right, So, I always
getting nervous listening to the modern stuff.

1709
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:06.399
Love it you guys have given me
in lapsed life. But I just

1710
01:57:06.439 --> 01:57:10.159
don't think the coverage out there in
AW is accurate. Has anyone even tried

1711
01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:12.319
to talk to Lucy Guy yet?
I'll try and come back to it,

1712
01:57:12.399 --> 01:57:15.359
but I got the point. I
think there's guys, somebody that was involved.

1713
01:57:15.399 --> 01:57:17.319
I don't fucking know, Lucy Guy, who the fuck is that?

1714
01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:20.119
Appreciate it? Matt. I did
read it at the time and I set

1715
01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:25.119
it aside, but I'm not gonna
do it now. Lucy Guy. I

1716
01:57:25.159 --> 01:57:30.119
think it's somebody who is there a
Desy Guy and Fred too. I think

1717
01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:32.600
it's someone who's witnessed to the fight
that no one heard her side of the

1718
01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:36.800
story. Scott hasshul thanks very much. We appreciate the cake. Sean the

1719
01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:42.159
ChB longtime supporter and we appreciate it
very much. Thank you very much for

1720
01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:45.319
the cake. I think the more
people make it, like make a big

1721
01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:47.800
deal out of it, it becomes
a bigger deal. Just like shut up,

1722
01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:54.920
Oh yeah, a fight happened.
Sorry, sorry, you're all fucking

1723
01:57:55.279 --> 01:57:59.319
bitches, all of you, all
sides, I think punk concluded, Mark

1724
01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:02.039
says, the best part of the
brawl outlore is semipunk leaving the shower to

1725
01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:04.600
confront the elite. So he is
fighting for his life, dripping wet and

1726
01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:09.600
a towel that probably drops and he
is fighting talk out. Yeah, yes,

1727
01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:14.399
yes, just imagine that best part. Okay, you get fucking wet

1728
01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:17.159
hair, Phil, all right,
and he's got a white towel around his

1729
01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:20.159
waist and all of a sudden it
just drops and he's out fucking fighting.

1730
01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:27.399
And we're rolling around with the young
face Rod and Todd Flanders is what he's

1731
01:58:27.439 --> 01:58:30.439
in, all right, Yeah,
and he's like and he's like, you

1732
01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:38.720
know, just like got his nuts
all over their fucking clothes. Ross Mueller,

1733
01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:41.399
thanks for the pledge. Carlos Sanchez, thanks for the cake. We

1734
01:58:41.479 --> 01:58:45.279
appreciated jose Vargas, thanks for the
vote of confidence. Bumping up to the

1735
01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:48.239
executive producer Tier Adam Two writes,
for many of the holidays or a time

1736
01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:50.720
of joy, but for some of
us they aren't the greatest. This goes

1737
01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:54.800
out to TLF and be the best
at making tough times less difficult by being

1738
01:58:54.840 --> 01:58:58.800
the best goddamn podcast on the planet. Truly a holiday miracle for us all

1739
01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:00.760
there we go, really to rise
to the occasion again, boss this year

1740
01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:04.880
you got it. Robert Reynolds sinks
from versing your pledge and for your vote

1741
01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:10.159
of confidence. This is from Jeff
and Akron Ohio. He writes, Howard

1742
01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:15.319
Stern and a e W shows Howard
Stern utc episode in the AW episode this

1743
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:17.359
is on private parts. I think
he's talking. Yeah, yes, yes,

1744
01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:19.399
for sure. We're very thought provoking
as always, so I want to

1745
01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:23.239
drop my thoughts in after listening first
Howard Stern. Want a great episode in

1746
01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:26.520
a great recap of what Stern was
like and what he meant to nineties and

1747
01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:29.760
early two thousands culture. My dad
would let me listen to Stern with him

1748
01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:31.840
in the car, starting right at
age twelve. The role was just that

1749
01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:38.600
I couldn't let mom know we were
listening. I think you could identify with

1750
01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:42.479
that boss. Yeah, he's always
there, ready to flip the station if

1751
01:59:42.520 --> 01:59:45.600
Stern went too far. But some
of my best memories of bonding with my

1752
01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:47.920
dad and my love of audio that
you guys carrying on today came from listening

1753
01:59:47.960 --> 01:59:50.640
to Stern and Jim Rome with him
in the early teenage years. My early

1754
01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:55.279
teenage years. When it comes to
Stern, though, the laps fans universal

1755
01:59:55.359 --> 01:59:58.479
idea of it used to be better
rings true in some ways that Elis Stern

1756
01:59:58.520 --> 02:00:00.119
wouldn't work today because the idea of
TA but it was dead for better or

1757
02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:03.159
worse. It's better in that people
are mostly free to express themselves and be

1758
02:00:03.239 --> 02:00:05.600
the person they want to be without
public scorn, but in the bad way.

1759
02:00:06.039 --> 02:00:09.560
I think about teenage me hearing on
the radio that a girl showed her

1760
02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:12.560
tits, or sneaking in the show
to see blurred out tits. I think

1761
02:00:12.560 --> 02:00:15.000
about today's tea major and all the
sick things they've seen in their phone by

1762
02:00:15.039 --> 02:00:17.880
the time they've hit puberty. Right, Oh my god, so true.

1763
02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:23.279
Only fourteen year will be excited for
censored boobs today. You look at high

1764
02:00:23.279 --> 02:00:26.239
school college kids age today, and
the study show they are suffering from more

1765
02:00:26.239 --> 02:00:30.600
depression and are having less sex and
in fewer relationships when compared to older generations.

1766
02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:32.479
Going back to Stern, when I
heard Stern describe a woman's breast,

1767
02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:35.159
it made me want to see them
myself. And that wasn't easy to the

1768
02:00:35.239 --> 02:00:39.680
kree Internet days. I had to
work on being charming, likable, and

1769
02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:43.199
approachable to a woman, not just
pick up a phone and google whatever sick

1770
02:00:43.279 --> 02:00:47.039
thoughts were in my head. In
some ways, Stern made us want to

1771
02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:50.680
be in relationships like that. In
some ways, Stern made us want to

1772
02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:55.439
be in relationships of course, of
course, because he's describing all the shit

1773
02:00:55.600 --> 02:01:01.680
like and naked women, especially for
or you know, I would imagine you're

1774
02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:10.640
in puberty male audience there, male
especially at the time. Yeah, the

1775
02:01:10.720 --> 02:01:15.920
pubesset male especially at that time.
It's like, you know he yeah,

1776
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:19.199
he had naked woman in there,
and he's talking about oliver her entire body.

1777
02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:21.439
Yeah, you fucking get hot for
that shit, and it's like,

1778
02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:26.720
where, well I need to see
that now exactly just you you over there,

1779
02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:31.119
and it's a power, right power
of audio to get those her tits,

1780
02:01:31.199 --> 02:01:36.000
her tits her tits, her tits, her tits to see mother fucking

1781
02:01:40.119 --> 02:01:44.119
such a great movie. It is
a great movie movie. It is a

1782
02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:45.960
great movie. It's such a it
was it was, yeah, it was.

1783
02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:48.800
It was fun. That one was
a lot of fun. I didn't

1784
02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:51.399
want to do that one for a
while, to see for ourselves what our

1785
02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:55.560
parents and network sensors wouldn't let us
see. My counter to people like Terry

1786
02:01:55.560 --> 02:01:58.039
Gross be to look at today's young
man and tell me he's in better shape

1787
02:01:58.039 --> 02:02:00.279
than the men that came before him
he used to be better, or when

1788
02:02:00.319 --> 02:02:03.439
there was temptation in taboo something to
anticipate the instant gratification and pleasure born out

1789
02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:06.479
of the cell phone caused way more
harm than good. Also, Jack is

1790
02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:10.079
correct about right to censor in the
way the landscape has changed in twenty years.

1791
02:02:10.119 --> 02:02:12.560
I've joked with my friends before that
if right to censor came along today,

1792
02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:15.399
they would be the biggest face table
among wrestlers wrestling fans. I'm probably

1793
02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:19.479
true. Oh, JP forgot Howard's
best wrestling guests. Christy, hemmy,

1794
02:02:19.560 --> 02:02:23.520
don't google that at work, kids, hope she do? Unstern, do

1795
02:02:23.560 --> 02:02:25.840
I not know this story? I
don't know. Maybe maybe she uh,

1796
02:02:26.359 --> 02:02:28.680
I don't know. I don't know
that christ she ride the Sybian or something.

1797
02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:30.880
Maybe she did. Now on to
aid debt. Mind was getting my

1798
02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:34.720
new heart when the punk Elite fight
took place. I was under a fuck

1799
02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:38.680
ton of pain killers and really wasn't
interested in reading about men who are actually

1800
02:02:38.720 --> 02:02:41.960
fighting over a fake entertainment. Your
recap was the first time I was really

1801
02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:45.199
able to pross me here. Say
again, please, I was under a

1802
02:02:45.239 --> 02:02:48.039
fun ton of pain killers and really
wasn't interested in reading about men who are

1803
02:02:48.039 --> 02:02:54.359
actually fighting over fake entertainment, actually
fighting men who are actually fighting over fake

1804
02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:58.479
entertainment rights. That's a beauty right
there. You know, it's about like,

1805
02:02:58.680 --> 02:03:00.359
what did you say? What did
you mean by that? Browler?

1806
02:03:01.479 --> 02:03:04.279
For me, the dumbest part is
how many things were ruined over a press

1807
02:03:04.319 --> 02:03:08.800
conference were scripted entertainment. To imagine
how ridiculous it would sound if Succession was

1808
02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:12.279
canceled because Brian Cox and Jeremy Strong
gun or real fight during a press conference

1809
02:03:12.319 --> 02:03:14.840
after episode three. When it comes
to it, used to be better.

1810
02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:17.159
It certainly used to better when journalists
didn't take wrestling seriously. Could you imagine

1811
02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:20.039
an old school journalist attending a press
conference for a scripted wrestling show. Oh

1812
02:03:20.079 --> 02:03:23.640
my god, that's just attending but
taking it seriously. It used to be

1813
02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:26.800
better when wrestling was confined to the
dark corner of the room while the real

1814
02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:30.760
men are chasing real stories. Agreed, Jack. I'm also a journalism grad.

1815
02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:32.119
Can you imagine when we started college
telling one of our professors that we

1816
02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:34.920
want to cover professional wrestling after college. I don't think they would have let

1817
02:03:34.920 --> 02:03:38.720
me in the program. It used
to better when wrestling didn't think it needed

1818
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:42.359
a press conference. Give me Bobby
heenon breaking a cribbage board over someone's head

1819
02:03:42.359 --> 02:03:45.039
when the fancy a heel and face
together in a hotel, or give me

1820
02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:49.119
or give me a WrestleMania eight press
conference where they're in a fucking like they

1821
02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:53.800
make a room out of out of
like tarp and ship. Oh, it's

1822
02:03:54.039 --> 02:03:56.640
like, that's what we're talking about. That that's a press conference. Yeah,

1823
02:03:56.680 --> 02:04:00.319
the pre the pre hype one is
one thing, but the post we're

1824
02:04:00.399 --> 02:04:02.239
like, we're talking about our performance
and it felt really good out there in

1825
02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:05.600
Tonight's gate was and basically just trying
to be Dana White. I'm not falling

1826
02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:10.439
for it. It's it's it's goofy. It's goofy, and it more often

1827
02:04:10.479 --> 02:04:15.840
than not makes the talent say things
that just like diminishes the the enjoyability of

1828
02:04:15.880 --> 02:04:17.039
the product. It puts them in
a state of mind, in a frame

1829
02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:20.239
of mind. MJF kind of manages
to do it. But it's still even

1830
02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:24.319
MJF. It's like he's gonna come
out and like call everybody dumb marks and

1831
02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:28.039
like talk about this. Like everyone's
sitting there like they don't want to play

1832
02:04:28.039 --> 02:04:31.239
along because their media. But like
Mjf's not gonna give any real answers at

1833
02:04:31.239 --> 02:04:33.920
the same time, So what are
we doing here? You know, we

1834
02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:36.760
don't want real answers. I think
that's that's the point. We don't want

1835
02:04:36.800 --> 02:04:40.800
real answers, right, We want
we want to read. We want to

1836
02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:44.079
see the real answers in a different
format. We want to see the real

1837
02:04:44.119 --> 02:04:48.039
answers separate and distinct from the circus
tent You know, we don't want to

1838
02:04:48.159 --> 02:04:54.399
under the circus tent um. I
don't know. Go look if you if

1839
02:04:54.439 --> 02:04:58.720
you have a wrestling website and you
make money conveying wrestling about the information about

1840
02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:01.479
wrestling, of cour you go to
these press conferences of course you ask these

1841
02:05:01.600 --> 02:05:05.119
questions. Of course you keep your
questions within a certain bounds that you get

1842
02:05:05.199 --> 02:05:10.479
invited back. This is basic stuff, but it doesn't mean I have to

1843
02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:14.520
like think it's cool, you know, or interesting? Yeah? Or useful

1844
02:05:14.760 --> 02:05:18.159
yeah. Um. Nothing beats to
this podcast. Jeff concludes, anything you

1845
02:05:18.239 --> 02:05:21.520
touch becomes the definitive work of that
subject is always looking forward to what's next.

1846
02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:25.079
Can a guy with a new heart
get best in show under the cinemat

1847
02:05:25.159 --> 02:05:30.000
soon? Boss? Oh god?
I would love to, um a reason

1848
02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:31.439
to say no, I mean,
reason to say it doesn't qualify or anything

1849
02:05:31.479 --> 02:05:33.720
like that. I don't. I
don't. I have to. I have

1850
02:05:33.840 --> 02:05:38.760
to look into it a little further, um to see if it does qualify.

1851
02:05:41.279 --> 02:05:44.159
Trying to think of like someone off
the top may be best in big

1852
02:05:44.199 --> 02:05:49.039
show. I don't know, but
um, I'm sure there's you listened.

1853
02:05:49.319 --> 02:05:55.319
I found. Yeah, I'll do
a shout out here because yeah, uh,

1854
02:05:56.439 --> 02:06:00.640
Paul the Saints fan fucking finds people. He does. I don't know

1855
02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:12.199
how he fucking does it, but
he has found so many people who are

1856
02:06:12.359 --> 02:06:17.239
not on the lists that I you
know, because they're that far underground in

1857
02:06:17.319 --> 02:06:25.319
the business, and like it opens
up so many fucking movies. So I'm

1858
02:06:25.399 --> 02:06:30.640
I'm I am sure, I am
sure someone will find a way to connect

1859
02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:34.199
the dots there. And you know, we can always count on Hull Coogan

1860
02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:40.279
for the best form of advertising for
He writes, Um, what was the

1861
02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:45.920
one with John Liftgau that we did? Um? Under the cinematic the Santa

1862
02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:48.640
Claus? Santa Claus the movie?
He writes, If you're not in the

1863
02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:51.960
ept or, you're not only missing
out in the heartbreaking story of Daphne Younger,

1864
02:06:53.880 --> 02:06:58.760
but also the Shakespearean climax of John
Luftgau coming. Do you forget you

1865
02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:02.800
did that? I didn't. I
fucking did. Oh I've done so many

1866
02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:08.960
people coming it's a you know,
I forgot that one? Only shit,

1867
02:07:09.319 --> 02:07:15.079
Yeah that was that was? Oh, I'm sure something like that. What

1868
02:07:15.279 --> 02:07:17.439
was the name of it again?
What Santa Claus the movie? Was the

1869
02:07:17.520 --> 02:07:19.399
movie? And we were talking about
how big that was in the UK?

1870
02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:24.840
Right, Yeah, yeah, big
hit in the UK. Zarahone circled back

1871
02:07:24.840 --> 02:07:26.760
around and said, interesting, I
didn't want if it was only a big

1872
02:07:26.840 --> 02:07:29.520
deal for me purely because I taped
it off the TV. I'm only a

1873
02:07:29.560 --> 02:07:31.079
couple of years older than you and
grew up in the UK and they definitely

1874
02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:34.119
had it on terrestrial TV every year. Yeah, yeah, the nineties.

1875
02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:36.359
I think they used to show it
on BBC and Christmas Eve. I have

1876
02:07:36.439 --> 02:07:39.920
no idea why I retained that info. Maybe because it used to be better.

1877
02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:42.479
Just checked it and saw on my
TV one this year Christmas Eve,

1878
02:07:42.520 --> 02:07:46.199
mid afternoon. I don't think.
I don't think it ever airs on TV

1879
02:07:46.319 --> 02:07:48.680
over here. No, no one
knows what it is here. I can

1880
02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:54.560
no no, I mean, yeah, I fucking I'm probably the only person

1881
02:07:55.640 --> 02:08:01.000
who rented it. Yes it was
HS. I fucking loved it. Such

1882
02:08:01.039 --> 02:08:03.640
a bad movie, so awful bad. I don't look back. Finally on

1883
02:08:03.720 --> 02:08:07.640
that episode for that, Mark Hutchinson, thank you very much for the pledge.

1884
02:08:07.680 --> 02:08:11.880
We appreciate it. Joe Knight.
We love the year end bonus action

1885
02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:16.800
that you threw to us. He
followed up and said, fellas just sending

1886
02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:18.119
a year end bonus. It's not
much, but I'm on a modest Patreon

1887
02:08:18.159 --> 02:08:20.600
payment plan, so I went out
a little year entreat for you. I

1888
02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:24.319
thought I would recount my favorite lapse
moment of this year, or at least

1889
02:08:24.319 --> 02:08:26.680
the one scenario I keep her playing
in my head over and over It was

1890
02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:28.199
from a somewhat recent episode, but
I can't remember the specific title. It

1891
02:08:28.239 --> 02:08:31.680
went down like this. A concern
and agitated Terry Balaya and full red and

1892
02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:35.359
yellow guard visits his local Tampa subway
to have a word with the store manager.

1893
02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:39.359
He has a simple request. He
wants turkey roll ups removed from the

1894
02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:46.319
menu. Terry played by j P. Let's talk turkey dude, subway manager

1895
02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:50.560
played by Jack Sorry, sorry,
you a vendor? I forgot about that.

1896
02:08:50.680 --> 02:08:54.119
That was great, That was funny. This was an understated comment slipped

1897
02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:56.640
in by Jack that while it did
not garner much reaction, it popped me.

1898
02:08:56.720 --> 02:09:00.279
I was doubled over at the idea
that the subway manager I had no

1899
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:05.800
idea who this paranoid and ridiculous wrestler
was, and that he entertained The possibility

1900
02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:11.319
that he was a deli meat vendor
just killed me. It's fucking great.

1901
02:09:11.359 --> 02:09:13.359
Can you imagine, because you know
what Hulk Hogan wears out and about in

1902
02:09:13.399 --> 02:09:16.640
the real world, Oh my god, all right, Like you know,

1903
02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:20.399
he's wearing a fucking cut off,
yes, of course, a T shirt,

1904
02:09:20.239 --> 02:09:22.960
you know, with a bandana on, and you know, looking like

1905
02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:26.760
a complete buffoon. LDI thanks very
much for your pledge up to the moat

1906
02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:31.840
tier. We appreciate that vote of
confidence. Kickus if I'm pronouncing that correctly.

1907
02:09:31.319 --> 02:09:35.520
H is a huge supporter, longtime
supporter, and he's exactly what you

1908
02:09:35.600 --> 02:09:37.159
said, boss, someone who says, you know what, fuck it,

1909
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.680
I'm going to go above and beyond
the maximum t Yeah, because this is

1910
02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:46.680
about fueling the engine. This isn't
just about what I get in exchange.

1911
02:09:46.960 --> 02:09:52.000
It's about keeping the enterprise viable.
And you all have a huge debt of

1912
02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:56.920
gratitude. You have a huge debt. Rather, I should say to members

1913
02:09:56.960 --> 02:09:58.960
of the Solar System, and they
all know who they are, and we

1914
02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:01.760
shout them out on a Asian one
K club members tend to be a shorthand

1915
02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:05.199
way of referring to them, but
not exclusively. Who just give so much

1916
02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:09.119
more and gave us so much more
on a pledge than we ever could have

1917
02:10:09.319 --> 02:10:15.359
dreamed asking for, even before we
produced a single Patreon exclusive thing, even

1918
02:10:15.399 --> 02:10:20.840
before we did under the cinemat starting
unbelievable, unbelievable. It's it's it's the

1919
02:10:20.920 --> 02:10:24.079
magic of like, okay, we
can do this, you know, like

1920
02:10:24.800 --> 02:10:28.319
yeah, the audience is telling us
that the more we put in the more

1921
02:10:28.359 --> 02:10:31.039
we'll get back. That's the hardest
thing to stumble upon in any enterprise.

1922
02:10:31.279 --> 02:10:35.119
You know you have it, You're
you're obliged like we are right now,

1923
02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:39.399
to service it and to let people
know that you appreciate it. Lest it

1924
02:10:39.560 --> 02:10:45.800
stop belief, Queen, we like
that, and we appreciate the uh the

1925
02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:50.119
pledge. Um Stephen asks, I
wonder what Hogan would make of local Dublin

1926
02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:54.159
cuisine, where such delicacies as chicken
filet rolls and jumbo breakfast rolls are offered

1927
02:10:54.159 --> 02:11:03.399
in every part of the city.
Roller Wait, dude, story cop.

1928
02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:05.039
Thank you for the pledge. We
appreciate it. Welcome to the Eptier.

1929
02:11:05.560 --> 02:11:07.880
Dylan is somebody we mentioned he didn't
get his president in time. He said,

1930
02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:09.640
I didn't mail my president of time
for this show, so we'll have

1931
02:11:09.680 --> 02:11:13.000
to rest in a safe spot until
next year. In the meantime and in

1932
02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:15.119
the spirit of the season, and
because it's all about food, I've heard

1933
02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:16.479
the description of a Christmas feast.
It's only Charles Dickens could write. I

1934
02:11:16.520 --> 02:11:20.439
can't do it. I can't it's
too far away. I can't read this

1935
02:11:20.520 --> 02:11:22.600
from Oh wow, look at that. Can't do it. But I'll keep

1936
02:11:22.640 --> 02:11:26.239
it close to my heart because I
know exactly what part of the Dickens you're

1937
02:11:26.239 --> 02:11:31.680
talking about. William Murphy, thanks
very much. Welcome to the moat tier,

1938
02:11:31.920 --> 02:11:35.880
my friend. That is some big
swing and dick action. Just so

1939
02:11:37.039 --> 02:11:41.000
much great feedback from the Christmas set. Man. Oh my god, I

1940
02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:46.760
was fond of stuff that was fun. Shit man, people just like rekindling

1941
02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:50.079
the spirit James Ann's Lyle, Thank
you very much for the pledge. Well,

1942
02:11:50.119 --> 02:11:52.000
Winthrop said, John Lithgow came to
my school when he was on a

1943
02:11:52.079 --> 02:11:56.119
run of twelve Night at Shakespeare's Theater
and gave a talk to those of us

1944
02:11:56.119 --> 02:11:58.439
studying drama. Somewhere in the ether, there's a picture of me sitting next

1945
02:11:58.479 --> 02:12:01.920
to him. You were bang on
the money with your description of him in

1946
02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:05.359
this episode. But he also has
a lot of Carney in him him.

1947
02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:09.560
Yes, I also remember him socks
that day. Is he a carny?

1948
02:12:09.920 --> 02:12:13.279
What do you think? I absolutely
don't. Come on. I'm saying that

1949
02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:18.479
I this the whole man or of
the Listen. Listen. If he senses

1950
02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:22.960
somebody, if he can get a
vibe off somebody and he can get something,

1951
02:12:22.600 --> 02:12:24.880
he's gonna get it, all right, he's gonna get it's not gonna

1952
02:12:24.880 --> 02:12:28.920
pass it up. No, not
at all, take all taken. As

1953
02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:31.840
for this over the rights, I'd
never heard of it, and I'm almost

1954
02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:33.319
certain that it wasn't mentioned at all
when we gave the talk and took questions

1955
02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:35.640
afterwards. So yeah, I'm not
sure how we're revered. It truly is

1956
02:12:35.720 --> 02:12:41.439
over here. That turned out to
be quite a divisive question. Indeed.

1957
02:12:41.800 --> 02:12:45.720
Um, we want to thank Christopher
Crieve, a great member of the Solar

1958
02:12:45.720 --> 02:12:48.920
System. He joined us in a
Boston and then turned around and sent us

1959
02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:52.479
a Greg Gunya Remco figure. But
I guess there was an eBay seller that

1960
02:12:52.600 --> 02:12:56.319
was marked on the package that didn't
make it clear. Holy shit, we

1961
02:12:56.439 --> 02:12:58.960
gotta fuck it. Where is that
Greg gunya Remco? You got it somewhere?

1962
02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:05.279
Uh yeah, yeah, it's and
it's it's surround, it's around.

1963
02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:09.039
I get so much of that.
I still get so much of that.

1964
02:13:09.119 --> 02:13:11.880
Ship entered T Martin. Thanks for
the boost. We appreciate it and we

1965
02:13:11.000 --> 02:13:13.279
love it. You know. You
know, I'm gonna tell you this.

1966
02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:20.920
I still have the cereal box.
There are times I get tempted to open

1967
02:13:20.960 --> 02:13:24.720
it up and the WWF Cereal from
nineteen eighty one. Yeah, yeah,

1968
02:13:24.880 --> 02:13:28.159
Oh I'm not going to. I
can't because I know I'll die, But

1969
02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:31.960
there is the temptation. I'm not
gonna lie. Wow, maybe we'll do

1970
02:13:31.000 --> 02:13:35.279
it this Christmas show. We'll both
take one bite of that sweet rice.

1971
02:13:35.880 --> 02:13:41.279
It is, I mean the part
that the kind of goes into my mind,

1972
02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:43.479
like you know, it's probably on
that back because it is sealed,

1973
02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:50.199
so it's been air sealed. You
know, he has a dead cockroach in

1974
02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:52.960
there. It's like it's like all
of a sudden, like the fumes of

1975
02:13:54.159 --> 02:14:00.680
decay, the fumes of the first
Bush administration. Yeah, he Lalande.

1976
02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:03.000
Thank you very much, my friend, for boosting up that fucking pledge.

1977
02:14:03.039 --> 02:14:11.039
That's killer. John Callahill, thank
you for your further, you know,

1978
02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:18.359
demonstration of support IVP videos. Great
service. We appreciate your appreciate your support

1979
02:14:18.399 --> 02:14:22.119
as well. John Harris Stevenson,
thank you very much for your pledge.

1980
02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:26.000
Sam O'Connor, who bounced all the
way up to the moat tier, big

1981
02:14:26.079 --> 02:14:30.520
sweeing dick move, We love it. Tim McCarthy makes a great point not

1982
02:14:30.600 --> 02:14:33.319
that Tim McCarthy McCarthy, a customed
Nash Wrestling buddy, has opened up a

1983
02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:43.079
Pandora's box. Oh God, your
move. Solar System, Randy Villerial,

1984
02:14:43.239 --> 02:14:50.000
thank you very much for the cake. And Randy Boss has reflections on ljns,

1985
02:14:50.039 --> 02:14:52.560
which we spent some time talking about
because some members of the Solar System

1986
02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:58.760
put ljns in our stockings. So
fucking crazy. You're all fucking nuts,

1987
02:14:58.800 --> 02:15:03.800
It's all I'm gonna say, gentlemen. I was thoroughly enjoying a Christmas episode

1988
02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:07.880
when you talked about the Johnny Valiant
lj ndall, and I believe Jack wondered

1989
02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:16.000
aloud about can you imagine the kid
that would have this? Yes? I

1990
02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:20.560
had to laugh because I'll have you
know that I was that kid. I

1991
02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:24.479
referenced my LJ and collection and a
previous email to you about my late father

1992
02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:28.960
telling the story of the King Kong
Bundee head hole in our living room wall.

1993
02:15:30.840 --> 02:15:33.359
When I heard them and come up
again, it brought back more fund

1994
02:15:33.479 --> 02:15:37.039
memories and also made me question how
many of those damn things did I actually

1995
02:15:37.159 --> 02:15:45.760
have? Looking through do you know? Okay? For me, I had

1996
02:15:45.800 --> 02:15:50.000
a major goal when I was When
I was first collecting my Hasbro's as a

1997
02:15:50.079 --> 02:16:01.800
kid, my goal was to have
enough actual Hasbro wrestling figures. I needed

1998
02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:05.600
thirty so I could have a royal
rumble. I could have more, but

1999
02:16:05.720 --> 02:16:09.960
I needed at least thirty so I
could have a row rumble with just Hasbros.

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02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:15.920
And no hey Man figures or cops
or any other figures outside. You

2001
02:16:16.039 --> 02:16:18.560
know, that was a big thing, And then I got so many more.

2002
02:16:20.039 --> 02:16:24.000
You brought up Luscious Johnny V.
But how many kids just had to

2003
02:16:24.119 --> 02:16:33.879
have a classy Freddie Blassie or an
out back Jack? How about a Ted

2004
02:16:33.040 --> 02:16:41.040
RCD or a Vince McMahon Tons of
Christmas List and ninety seven clamoring for both

2005
02:16:41.360 --> 02:16:45.760
the blue shirt and white shirt variants
of the WWE referee figure so that the

2006
02:16:45.879 --> 02:16:52.600
child in question could have matches with
both casting the white shirted referee as an

2007
02:16:52.719 --> 02:16:58.159
NWA official for cross promotional supercards,
I would think not. For the record,

2008
02:16:58.239 --> 02:17:03.559
my collection had two Hulk Hogan's Iron
Cheek, Roddy Piper, Big John

2009
02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:07.040
stud Hillbilly Jim Nikolay Volkoff, Junkyard, Dog King, Kong, Bundy,

2010
02:17:07.079 --> 02:17:11.600
Brutus Beefcake, Greg the Hammer,
Valentine, Paul Orndorff, George the Animal,

2011
02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:16.159
Steel, Bobby Heen, and Corporal
Kirchner Macho Man, Randy Savage,

2012
02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:20.040
Terry Funk, Bruno Sammartino, Magnificent
Morocco, Ricky Steambo, Tito Santana,

2013
02:17:20.159 --> 02:17:24.639
Captain Lu Albano, Jesse, the
Body, Ventura, Jimmy Superfly, Snooker,

2014
02:17:24.959 --> 02:17:30.479
Billy Jack Haynes, s D.
Jones, Hawaiian Shirt Variant, Classy,

2015
02:17:30.520 --> 02:17:33.319
Freddy Blassie, Jimmy Hart, Adrianadonnas, Cowboy, Bob Orton, Coco

2016
02:17:33.399 --> 02:17:39.040
Beware, Ted RCD, Mean,
Gene Okerland, Hercules Kamala, Mister Fuji,

2017
02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:43.760
Jake the Snake, Roberts King,
Harley Race Outback Jack, the Doctor

2018
02:17:43.840 --> 02:17:46.360
of Style, Slick Hacksaw, Jim
Duggan, The Million Dollar Man, Ted

2019
02:17:46.479 --> 02:17:52.520
Dbias, Johnny v Honky tonk Man, Vince McMahon, Ravishing, Rick rud

2020
02:17:52.559 --> 02:17:56.360
Of the Ultimate Warrior Band Band,
Bigelow, Big boss Man, Whore Lord,

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02:17:56.639 --> 02:18:00.600
the British Bulldogs, the Killer Bees, the Heart Foundations, Drake Fur's

2022
02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:05.000
Demolition, and the two Referees.
I would guess I was about ten or

2023
02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:09.159
twelve figures away from having the entire
run of LJN's when all of a sudden

2024
02:18:09.280 --> 02:18:16.120
done. Here's the question I want
to ask too, who had the balls

2025
02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:26.319
to put the world title on Brett
Hart. You tell me with an LJN.

2026
02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:31.680
No, I don't know. I
want to know. I want to

2027
02:18:31.719 --> 02:18:35.920
know if somebody out there had the
balls. I thought you knew the No,

2028
02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:37.879
I don't know the answer. I
want to know the answer. I

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02:18:37.959 --> 02:18:41.760
want to know if someone did,
if someone had that kind of foresight,

2030
02:18:43.520 --> 02:18:50.959
you know, an LJN not an
LJN. Yeah, who out there put

2031
02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:56.920
the world title on an LJN before
they were anywhere considered near that level of

2032
02:18:56.959 --> 02:18:58.879
the went on to achieve it?
I would think Brett would probably be the

2033
02:19:00.079 --> 02:19:03.520
only lj and you could do that
with. I can't think everybody else would

2034
02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:07.159
have won the world title that had
an l warrior, I guess. I

2035
02:19:07.200 --> 02:19:09.319
mean that's having out back you go. Yeah, as far as when you

2036
02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:13.319
got it, um, let me
take a look at his collection here.

2037
02:19:13.399 --> 02:19:18.200
Who who would have gotten the world
title? I mean, yeah, savage,

2038
02:19:18.280 --> 02:19:20.120
but yeah, again, you know
you don't know how far. But

2039
02:19:20.239 --> 02:19:24.000
yeah, as a term in terms
of like the real future of it all,

2040
02:19:24.159 --> 02:19:28.040
that's a great question because he's singular
in that regard. Anybody put the

2041
02:19:28.079 --> 02:19:33.319
world title on bred Heart in their
LJA or did anyone put the world title

2042
02:19:33.360 --> 02:19:37.840
on outback jack right, or even
more significantly exactly. Yea, remember when

2043
02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:39.600
he said if you didn't think I
belong in the Hall of Fame, you're

2044
02:19:39.639 --> 02:19:41.280
a bitch. Remember that? Yeah? Yeah, maybe someone put him,

2045
02:19:41.319 --> 02:19:48.360
maybe someone gave him a world title
run in their universe. Rest assured all

2046
02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:50.719
these figures were well used, as
I would book card after card, going

2047
02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:54.920
through three rings and two steel cage
sets just from wearing them out over the

2048
02:19:56.000 --> 02:19:58.760
months and years. And well you
also well used in my house, where

2049
02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:03.639
they red Crayola washable markers that I
would draw and press onto my figures.

2050
02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:09.879
Pressing made the ink pool and run
down the wrestler's face into an out of

2051
02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:15.879
the blood stained matt below when they
needed to run the razor and turn red

2052
02:20:15.959 --> 02:20:20.120
into green for their heartless promoter.
Sometimes even a green or black marker would

2053
02:20:20.760 --> 02:20:26.360
get pressed into duty. If a
wrestler would get to the dreaded mist during

2054
02:20:26.440 --> 02:20:33.319
a hot angle, some figures would
would get pressed into double duty, primarily

2055
02:20:33.399 --> 02:20:37.719
Greg Valentine standing in for Ric Flair
on many occasions, as well as the

2056
02:20:37.239 --> 02:20:43.840
odd Orndorf stand in for Lex Luger. I would spend whole weekends intricately booking

2057
02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:48.479
angles and matches, blowing them off
every Sunday with a multi hour, multi

2058
02:20:48.559 --> 02:20:52.879
match pay per view worthy card that
would usually end with the Hulkster vanquishing another

2059
02:20:52.040 --> 02:20:56.040
dastardly foe. Thank you both for
taking me back to the days when the

2060
02:20:56.120 --> 02:21:01.159
toy store ruled supreme to some amazing
seeing childhood memories, and for making me

2061
02:21:01.280 --> 02:21:07.319
feel like a kid again this holiday
season. Wishing both of you and your

2062
02:21:07.360 --> 02:21:11.920
families a happy, healthy, and
prosperous new year. Space here. Yeah,

2063
02:21:11.159 --> 02:21:13.920
yeah, just think how ready for
you? Guess what well you should

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02:21:13.959 --> 02:21:16.680
be because you know what. We're
on the other side of that pal and

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02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:22.680
even fucking say it, all right, we are closer to Christmas then,

2066
02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:26.000
not that it's hard to swallow.
We're on the flip side, man,

2067
02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:31.239
Benjamin Blake. This isn't an epiphany
like I had my last two emails,

2068
02:21:31.280 --> 02:21:35.239
But I can easily say that I've
learned more about the maschinations of politics and

2069
02:21:35.319 --> 02:21:39.319
business and war strategy and the human
condition than I ever learned in school or

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02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:45.200
anywhere else because I listen to TLF. Yes, that's simply that makes sense.

2071
02:21:45.559 --> 02:21:48.920
That makes sense. Ibrahim abd Rahman, thank you very much for your

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pledge. We appreciate that boosted vote
of support. Jonathan Kirshner, Welcome in,

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02:21:54.079 --> 02:21:58.159
RK, Welcome in, Brian Sours, Welcome in under the Tent.

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02:21:58.280 --> 02:22:03.000
I also want to welcome Leo b
who came in swinging hard to the executive

2075
02:22:03.040 --> 02:22:09.319
producers here. Tim Lenares, thanks
very much for the cake. Alex Schwed,

2076
02:22:09.600 --> 02:22:15.799
thanks very much for joining the TLF
Solar system. Ramone writes an email

2077
02:22:15.840 --> 02:22:20.639
with a subject line that I hesitate
to jump into you ready pro wrestling and

2078
02:22:20.719 --> 02:22:24.639
fetish history. WHOA my name is
Ramone's toothpick. And while I thoroughly enjoy

2079
02:22:24.719 --> 02:22:28.079
hearing the wholesome, uplifting and sometimes
soul crushing moments from the Lapse juniverse,

2080
02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:31.879
I'm I aim to please the Vince
McMahon's and Tony atlas Is in your audience

2081
02:22:31.959 --> 02:22:37.479
by bringing you something a little more
smutfield and what I hope will be one

2082
02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:39.040
of your more memorable fan emails.
I will bring you the story of how

2083
02:22:39.120 --> 02:22:43.760
a piece Captain lew slang, a
piece of Countain loose slang, and that

2084
02:22:43.760 --> 02:22:46.719
I memorialized on one of my specialty
video shoots. Thanks to the two of

2085
02:22:46.799 --> 02:22:54.479
you. Yes, I am a
producer of Ramone's Face Full of feat an

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02:22:54.559 --> 02:22:58.159
online clip store that specializes in face
sitting, human furniture, and of course,

2087
02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:01.000
fetish. I'm also the co host
of the fetish podcast Wow. I

2088
02:23:01.120 --> 02:23:05.200
was tickled pink when you brought up
Tony Atlas is trampled tendencies. I have

2089
02:23:05.319 --> 02:23:07.920
a few lady wrestler friends, and
at least one of them has trod on

2090
02:23:09.000 --> 02:23:13.600
the big man's face in her converse
backstage at a show. You'll be completely

2091
02:23:13.680 --> 02:23:16.440
unsurprised to learn that fetish and wrestling
have been in the same bed, or

2092
02:23:16.440 --> 02:23:20.120
at least the one up the hall
for decades. And you once mentioned.

2093
02:23:20.159 --> 02:23:24.760
Wrestlers both male and female have done
so called apartment wrestling to make ends meet

2094
02:23:24.760 --> 02:23:28.879
wrestlers and an apartment setting against other
wrestlers or lucky fans and a sexier fashion,

2095
02:23:28.959 --> 02:23:33.719
often wearing wrestling gear or skimpy or
no clothing for wealthy patrons or producers

2096
02:23:33.799 --> 02:23:37.600
like myself, to make fetish content
to sell. Many lady wrestlers in olden

2097
02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:41.639
days have done fetish work, including
glow wrestler Jean BRASONI aka Hollywood, and

2098
02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:45.799
some more modern wrestlers like Mickey James, Andrea Kong and even Tracy's mother's daughter,

2099
02:23:45.879 --> 02:23:50.680
Jesse Bell smothers have done wrestling for
fetish work. Work is the fucking

2100
02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:54.520
operative term there. Yes, even
today, there are things people can buy

2101
02:23:54.559 --> 02:23:58.600
called pro wrestling customs from companies like
New England Female Wrestling and Independent Custom Wrestling,

2102
02:23:58.719 --> 02:24:01.360
where they can book some current independ
women wrestlers to have a match.

2103
02:24:01.680 --> 02:24:03.559
Now, these matches aren't inherently sexual
or fetishy. In fact, some of

2104
02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:07.680
them outright say they won't do anything
sexual or fetishee. I have tried,

2105
02:24:07.040 --> 02:24:13.680
but there is something fetishi and off
about being able to book a woman wrestler

2106
02:24:13.719 --> 02:24:16.479
to have a custom match. Yes, but back to the start of my

2107
02:24:16.600 --> 02:24:20.719
tale, So I was filming a
custom clip called Sophia Quinn and Glimmer's Interview

2108
02:24:20.840 --> 02:24:24.159
foot smother. During this clip,
Sophia Quinn comes to Glimmer for a job

2109
02:24:24.200 --> 02:24:28.559
interview. When things take a fetishy
turn from the third story short a,

2110
02:24:28.600 --> 02:24:31.559
Glimmer has Sophia lay on the floor
and rests her feet on her face for

2111
02:24:31.639 --> 02:24:35.840
the interview to test how she does
answering questions under pressure. When Glimmer receives

2112
02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:39.840
a phone call, it's from her
doctor and it's about her foot fungus problem.

2113
02:24:39.559 --> 02:24:43.639
Now Glimmer is consummate professional and stops
the shoot. She says she needs

2114
02:24:43.680 --> 02:24:46.879
a name for the doctor. Then
it hits me, the fucking cast always

2115
02:24:46.680 --> 02:24:50.799
has the answer. See if you
can guess who the doctor would be.

2116
02:24:52.280 --> 02:24:56.639
What do you think boss, a
foot fetish producer who listens to TLF would

2117
02:24:56.680 --> 02:25:05.120
come up with when needing a doctor's
name? Ah? Doctor, Oh.

2118
02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:09.520
I've attached the part of the clip
below. I've always been a fan of

2119
02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:11.959
Captain Leo. I know, I
know, but he reminds me of most

2120
02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:15.440
of my Sicilian family. That and
we had the wrestling album on a cult

2121
02:25:15.479 --> 02:25:18.559
forty five record in a jukebox that
we had at home and history of music

2122
02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:22.200
every single day. I still know
it by heart. So thanks for the

2123
02:25:22.280 --> 02:25:24.280
inspiration. If you've made it this
far, thanks for going on this weird

2124
02:25:24.360 --> 02:25:28.799
and fetish filled journey with me.
Your podcast fills me with joy. And

2125
02:25:28.920 --> 02:25:31.280
on the off chance that Tony Atlas
listens to this podcast and as near Marylynn

2126
02:25:31.319 --> 02:25:35.639
tell him to look up Raymond face
full because I've got twenty girls that would

2127
02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:43.000
gladly stand on his face. Wow, that's what's going on out there.

2128
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That's the reality of my own.
Glad to have your patronage. Fred Densdorff,

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We're glad to have your money as
well. Thanks for the support my

2130
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friend Matt, Matt Clark. I'm
sing a lot of generosity around the holidays.

2131
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John Tobin, thank you very much
for your pledge. We appreciate having

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you as a listener. Liam Cafferty, we've heard from you as well.

2133
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Thank you very much. David Spencer
jumped into the moat pool and we thank

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him very much for that. He
writes, your homelone under the cinemat preview

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convinced me to stop being a bitch. An upgrade from three sixteen to fifty

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bucks. I had three young children
in this holiday season. It's been very

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stressful, and your body of work
has kept me laughing and motivated. Thank

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you for all of your dedication.
That's just wonderful to hear. David,

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concisely foot and just lovely. We're
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thank you very much for the pledge. Ryan Reader, thank you very

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much for upping your pledge as well, he writes, you two never ceased

2142
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to amaze me. The free hour
last week got me. Yeah, well,

2143
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a lot of gifts, always ready
for the Solar System. You never

2144
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know. Mike Lippkey, thank you
very much for increasing your pledge up to

2145
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the inter executive producer level. Zach
Volk always such a rock solid member of

2146
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the Solar System. He wanted us
to harold in the new year with Lord

2147
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Stephen Regals theme. I guess we'll
just Harold in the summer solstice. Okay,

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A ready, Kang King King King
King King King King King can Canking

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Caring King King King King King King
King King King King King King and King

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King King Loapa, I'm nah Papa, Papa Pa, Papa, bump up,

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Papapa up a pounder hunt hum bum
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bum bum bum baum bum bana hundred
under what's happening? My favorite one ever

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is when you close with oh with
a great idea. Let's keep this going

2154
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as a commission. My Lapsed Top
Moments twenty twenty two. All right,

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loand Co. Chairs and Solar Systems
had to list my top lapsed moments of

2156
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the past year. I could have
listed so much more. What a year

2157
02:28:11.719 --> 02:28:16.760
it has been. Number one Roman
Verse Brock Live Call Summer slams twenty two,

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02:28:16.920 --> 02:28:20.479
when the ring was lifted. We
did when that happened. That was

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02:28:20.639 --> 02:28:26.920
that was remember Jesus Christ. What
an absolute insanity, especially with you know,

2160
02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:33.959
he's fucking uh, you know,
his stupid farmer face and everything that

2161
02:28:33.040 --> 02:28:39.280
he's gotten. You know that just
singular braid going, Oh to such a

2162
02:28:39.360 --> 02:28:45.639
maniac. Oh go Three Lenny Pofo
on Cameo rest in peace for WrestleMania,

2163
02:28:45.799 --> 02:28:50.079
which launched last year. That's right. Five the Thanksgiving Sandwich. Six Jerry

2164
02:28:50.120 --> 02:28:56.239
Lawler's home at Christmas, Summer Slams
ninety eight. Seven RoboCop on utc Oh

2165
02:28:56.319 --> 02:28:58.959
yeah. Eight Jack and JP realizing
Vince was about to have a match up

2166
02:29:00.000 --> 02:29:03.319
WrestleMania thirty eight, so its live
calls Man the Magic. Oh my god,

2167
02:29:03.399 --> 02:29:07.000
well we realized he was going to
wrestle Austin or Patt. Oh yeah,

2168
02:29:07.879 --> 02:29:11.840
oh my god. That was in
the stunner. We just laughed our

2169
02:29:11.879 --> 02:29:16.719
asses. Yeah, because that was
so embarrassing you and Steve Aosto was laughing,

2170
02:29:16.399 --> 02:29:22.200
Oh yeah, because it's such a
gross thing. Nine review of the

2171
02:29:22.280 --> 02:29:26.840
Undertaker show. This is a great
and ten the WBF an absolute classic.

2172
02:29:28.600 --> 02:29:31.879
Eleven co chairs on Mula and Wendy
Richter. Yeah, I was in the

2173
02:29:31.959 --> 02:29:37.319
Colosseum Collection twelve, The Black Saturday
Journey thirteen, Jack's excitement of Howard stern

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On under the cinemat yea fourteen,
The Resurgence of Lapsed Wade Barrett fifty fifteen,

2175
02:29:45.440 --> 02:29:52.639
Charlotte into Christmas, Jamie's and Ski
suit on John's Elimination Chamber sixteen.

2176
02:29:52.760 --> 02:29:56.159
King of the Ring ninety six is
a masterpiece. Yeah, that's a great

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02:29:56.159 --> 02:30:01.959
episode seventeen, Razormone Tribute retrospective eighteen, Sammy's Zane Vers Johnny Knox fell at

2178
02:30:01.959 --> 02:30:03.479
Wrestling A thirty eight and had fun
with that. Oh my god, Oh

2179
02:30:03.600 --> 02:30:07.559
my God. Nineteen JP Hayden lead
as much as I do, She's the

2180
02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:13.959
worst. Twenty laps Bruno singing into
Club Autumn Maailback twenty one, the first

2181
02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:18.520
ten minutes of the twenty twenty two
Women's Royal Rumble Match, Molina flailing about

2182
02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:20.840
the calamity of it all. Oh
that was so bad. Twenty two This

2183
02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:26.840
American Work twenty three laps, Tulkin
laps Jesse discussing forming a union all American

2184
02:30:26.879 --> 02:30:31.559
Wrestling. Christmas Day nineteen eight three
twenty four The Christmas Gifts episode twenty five

2185
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Fable for three Bone Street Crew.
Where else are you going to get this

2186
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much world rustling entertainment? That's right, I mean that's a lot just for

2187
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one year, and we just keep
going. Michael Schoff, thank you very

2188
02:30:43.440 --> 02:30:46.239
much for the increased pledge. We
noted it and appreciated it. Same to

2189
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you, mister Paul Barrett. We
want to thank Adam two for staying with

2190
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us as the calendar turned. Richard
Devonald, we appreciate your support. As

2191
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to you, Robert Fenton and longtime
supporter Eric Prader, who couldn't be more

2192
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solid in the denomination he's pledging at
Simon Ahearn, Thank you very much for

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02:31:05.040 --> 02:31:09.120
that meaty bump up. Robert Ritchie
has promised keeps climbing in terms of a

2194
02:31:09.200 --> 02:31:13.040
pledge amount and we notice it and
appreciate it. Sweat shirt of earl coming

2195
02:31:13.120 --> 02:31:16.520
in strong. Henry Roth, thank
you very much. And this is an

2196
02:31:16.559 --> 02:31:22.200
interesting play here from Brandy. It's
a motor mail bag two twenty two year

2197
02:31:22.239 --> 02:31:24.239
in review. He's got some great
ones. Oh my god, oh my

2198
02:31:24.360 --> 02:31:28.479
god. Hello Jack and JP twenty
twenty two is a fantastic year. This

2199
02:31:28.639 --> 02:31:31.559
is all being done, by the
way to get the gears turning. For

2200
02:31:31.639 --> 02:31:33.719
how we're going to ride out this
year in style as well. Yeah right,

2201
02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:37.280
and every year going forward we were
like, oh, that's something we

2202
02:31:37.360 --> 02:31:39.639
want to reinforce. That's a behavior
that's a positive one. So whenever we

2203
02:31:39.680 --> 02:31:45.559
get around to reading these mail bag
letters, it will serve as a reminder

2204
02:31:45.719 --> 02:31:48.840
that this is how you should be
thinking about this time of year, he

2205
02:31:48.959 --> 02:31:50.639
writes. Two twenty two was a
fantastic year, with the launch of Russell

2206
02:31:50.680 --> 02:31:54.479
Mommy in this American work, the
continued excellence of Under the Cinemat, the

2207
02:31:54.559 --> 02:31:56.440
terrific live calls in the end disputed
greatness of the main show. Here are

2208
02:31:56.440 --> 02:32:01.000
some of my highlights for twenty twenty
two, Resting for a Cure, including

2209
02:32:01.040 --> 02:32:05.799
the interviews with Mike Lynch and Eddie
and oh yep, Eddie's answer is having

2210
02:32:05.799 --> 02:32:09.360
as much basis in reality as Hogan's
a true delight. The WBF episodes are

2211
02:32:09.399 --> 02:32:16.319
instant classics, the continued evolution of
j D j JP. Every time JP

2212
02:32:16.440 --> 02:32:20.079
goes nuts with the sound board.
I love hearing Jack louses shit from laughing

2213
02:32:20.120 --> 02:32:22.120
so much. During the All American
Christmas eighty three episode, Jack said,

2214
02:32:22.120 --> 02:32:28.879
I'm reduced to a quivering puddle terrific
the Scott the Scott Hall Tribute episodes.

2215
02:32:28.959 --> 02:32:31.559
Only the lapsed Fan could do twenty
plus hours on a wrestler and make it

2216
02:32:31.600 --> 02:32:35.399
funny, insightful, and appropriately biting. Bash of the Beach two thousand.

2217
02:32:35.520 --> 02:32:39.120
This was an all time masterpiece.
Anytime the law and contracts come into play,

2218
02:32:39.159 --> 02:32:43.280
TLF truly shines. Sectional level.
Subparagraphy is a wonderful addition to lapsed

2219
02:32:43.360 --> 02:32:46.520
Cannon. Still see the shirts today. Shout out to Brandon from New Jersey

2220
02:32:46.680 --> 02:32:52.159
at Ride and Door front Row wearing
it awesome exposed pro wrestling's greatest secrets.

2221
02:32:52.159 --> 02:32:58.920
I despise Nick McKay's voice, but
the sound drops are undeniable and I love

2222
02:33:00.000 --> 02:33:03.280
anytime Jack or JP quote the lines
from this episode that was the one that

2223
02:33:03.360 --> 02:33:09.680
kept on giving wrestling fans have been
tried again. Summers Slam nineteen ninety four.

2224
02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:11.600
It is an It is excellent whenever
the coach chairs both love a match,

2225
02:33:11.639 --> 02:33:15.000
such as the bread on one cage
match. This episode made me Wonderfu

2226
02:33:15.000 --> 02:33:16.559
Brett to be considered mister SummerSlam.
What do you think? I say,

2227
02:33:16.639 --> 02:33:22.520
yes, sure, I mean he's
I mean yeah, there there there's an

2228
02:33:22.600 --> 02:33:31.040
argument you seven ninety two two obviously
one. Come on now, you know

2229
02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:35.639
for sure in the Summer Slam.
In the Summer Slam, he's the mister

2230
02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:39.200
the SummerSlam. Oh yes, the
Rick Flaire might die soon. Mini series

2231
02:33:39.239 --> 02:33:41.600
Hearing You celebrate the greatness of Flaire
in the ring with Steamboat Cover Baywatch of

2232
02:33:41.639 --> 02:33:46.280
all Things and commentate live and horror
at the real possibility of Rick expiring in

2233
02:33:46.319 --> 02:33:48.959
the ring was a midyear highlight Summers
Slam ninety eight. It was fantastic hearing

2234
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:52.479
you tap into why Steve Austin was
the most over wrestler of his era,

2235
02:33:52.719 --> 02:33:54.639
if not all time. It is
basically guaranteed if a show is at one

2236
02:33:54.639 --> 02:33:58.600
of the sweet spots for the coach
chairs that it will be a perfect episode.

2237
02:33:58.440 --> 02:34:01.159
Black sat Day only you could do
Black Saturday and have a total run

2238
02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.840
time exceeding twenty four hours. It
was an excellent deep dive and shifting and

2239
02:34:05.959 --> 02:34:09.600
shifting or shitting on Olie always pops
me. There was a discussion about legal

2240
02:34:09.680 --> 02:34:18.000
language involving elimination, which was followed
by Lapsman saying, I have myself an

2241
02:34:18.079 --> 02:34:24.879
elimination chamber. You know you've fucking
nailed it with that one. Oh god,

2242
02:34:24.120 --> 02:34:26.479
A Last Battle. I believe this
was the episode that you brought up

2243
02:34:26.479 --> 02:34:30.520
that Gordon Soli knew when to be
excited to truly sell something. This made

2244
02:34:30.559 --> 02:34:33.399
me think of the instances when Jack
says electrify me boss to JP. Jack

2245
02:34:33.440 --> 02:34:37.159
has not abused the saying, he
rarely says it, and when he does,

2246
02:34:37.200 --> 02:34:39.159
I know what is instantly stamped as
a Hall of Fame episode. The

2247
02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:43.399
addition of using wrestler cameos to ask
questions has been a wonderful idea. I

2248
02:34:43.440 --> 02:34:48.719
think Steamboat's tour still hasn't ended.
You agreed, He's still doing the cameo.

2249
02:34:48.879 --> 02:34:50.639
Can I say for a probably the
best example in my opinion of this

2250
02:34:50.760 --> 02:34:54.280
to date, check out The Punisher
Under the cinemat episode that's available now,

2251
02:34:54.920 --> 02:35:00.719
where boss Man completely waylays me with
direct testimony from Kevin nash self on filming

2252
02:35:00.760 --> 02:35:03.680
the movie and some of the key
questions around cutting his hair for the role.

2253
02:35:03.840 --> 02:35:07.399
Great stuff. I gotta believe here, three am with a slur,

2254
02:35:07.879 --> 02:35:13.360
slow, let's talk, Turkey brother. Has that been made into a shirt

2255
02:35:13.440 --> 02:35:16.159
yet? If not, that should
be a Thanksgiving twenty twenty three shirt.

2256
02:35:18.159 --> 02:35:20.719
It's not a bad idea, and
that's not a bad idea. JP referred

2257
02:35:20.719 --> 02:35:24.760
to Ralphus as an animal that was
somehow turned into a human being. I

2258
02:35:24.159 --> 02:35:26.879
still think that Bash to the Beach
two thousand. What a wonderful use of

2259
02:35:26.959 --> 02:35:37.479
language by JP. Animal is oh? Jack during a live call, shouting

2260
02:35:37.479 --> 02:35:41.079
out Newport cramery and awful offuls.
This brought me back to summer vacations in

2261
02:35:41.159 --> 02:35:45.399
South Coast Massachusetts as a kid.
Hey now, um, JP talking about

2262
02:35:45.520 --> 02:35:50.319
Edges hair during a live call.
Oh so bad? Dead things aren't thirsty?

2263
02:35:50.559 --> 02:35:54.600
You said it was air. Dead
things aren't thirsty. I popped hard

2264
02:35:54.680 --> 02:35:58.920
for this one, he says.
JP accidentally combined Hogan and Balayan called him

2265
02:36:00.239 --> 02:36:03.920
hogan Ella during the match Bash of
the Beach two thousand episodes. Is this

2266
02:36:05.040 --> 02:36:09.159
another go for Terry Brother? Perhaps
the random moment that made me laugh the

2267
02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:13.479
hardest During the Bash two thousand episodes
laps, Togan asked about kidman, who's

2268
02:36:13.520 --> 02:36:18.879
pushing the kid into the man?
Jack then replied the Catholic Church. Yeah,

2269
02:36:22.040 --> 02:36:24.360
almost choked on my food when I
heard Jack's Joe. I believe the

2270
02:36:24.399 --> 02:36:28.760
Bash episodes also contained a riff about
Terry Balia trying to roll up Hogan from

2271
02:36:28.799 --> 02:36:35.479
mind. I know I've met an
image of Hogan avoiding all reflections in fear

2272
02:36:35.520 --> 02:36:39.319
that you might get rolled up.
Its true here brother Alma sorrow saying during

2273
02:36:39.360 --> 02:36:43.719
the recent ECW three Way Wrestle,
Mommy about the ECW fans, quote,

2274
02:36:43.840 --> 02:36:48.639
this is how you get your January
sixth. Say that. She said that

2275
02:36:48.760 --> 02:36:52.799
for real, Yeah, this is
get January six Yep. She totally was

2276
02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:56.680
like, yep. Oh that was
that was shut tremendous. That was fucking

2277
02:36:56.879 --> 02:37:01.559
unbelievable. Bring a Saudi Life call
about the Ashley Lesner match, JP said,

2278
02:37:01.719 --> 02:37:03.559
quote, Lashly is the only person
to fly to Saudi Arabia to go

2279
02:37:03.639 --> 02:37:15.799
to Germany. I eat German agreed, Oh, Mama Kobashi missa Mummy.

2280
02:37:15.879 --> 02:37:20.200
In response to JP talk about being
chopped by Kobashi said quote, maybe that

2281
02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:31.520
is why something showed up on your
e KG during this episode. She also

2282
02:37:31.600 --> 02:37:33.479
said, I didn't know they did
this in Japan. I've heard of Chinese

2283
02:37:33.600 --> 02:37:46.239
torture. Keep in mind, I
made my mom watch Missawa Kobashi. All

2284
02:37:46.319 --> 02:37:50.639
right, all right, let's let's
just let that let's coming up under this

2285
02:37:50.239 --> 02:37:58.079
formm let's see, let's see what's
been going on here? Endless fucking well

2286
02:37:58.200 --> 02:38:03.360
of shit. Oh, absolutely absolutely. I look at and just sa shit

2287
02:38:03.440 --> 02:38:11.879
about just an amazing arrow. Uh
oh. Upcoming, we've got Ultimate Warrior

2288
02:38:11.000 --> 02:38:18.559
versus Sergeant Slaughter from THEE. Yeah, yeah, she responds to the Injustice

2289
02:38:18.600 --> 02:38:22.159
of Savage. Exactly, It's exactly
what that was all about. And what

2290
02:38:22.440 --> 02:38:30.959
would you you just watched before that, Kane versus Vader over the Edge,

2291
02:38:31.280 --> 02:38:37.799
the fat Piece of Ship match.
Yes, oh my god, Corn Coogan,

2292
02:38:37.920 --> 02:38:45.959
she said, is it Darth Vader. Yes, it sounds like Mama

2293
02:38:46.079 --> 02:38:58.319
Sorrow. Oh God. During Grudge
Matches two episode Jack said that when Hogan

2294
02:38:58.319 --> 02:39:01.280
would go to ribera steakhouse in Japan
and that he would ask for the John

2295
02:39:01.319 --> 02:39:11.239
Wilkes booth slay me. This is
a very limited list of highlights of the

2296
02:39:11.319 --> 02:39:15.360
hundreds of great hours of content in
twenty twenty two. Thank you for helping

2297
02:39:15.360 --> 02:39:18.159
me get through work, chores,
and long drives. I eagerly anticipate in

2298
02:39:18.239 --> 02:39:20.600
even better twenty twenty three. The
announcement of total NonStop Hogan indicates to me

2299
02:39:20.680 --> 02:39:24.760
that you have no desire to rest
on your laurels. Yeah, we didn't

2300
02:39:24.639 --> 02:39:31.920
say very uncomfortable territory for a long
time for the cause. Chris Calamida thank

2301
02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:33.319
you very much for the pledge,
my friend. We appreciate the deep cheddar

2302
02:39:33.639 --> 02:39:39.680
nick oh popping right to the top
of top, popping right to the top.

2303
02:39:39.719 --> 02:39:43.120
Oh he wrote another one. Oh
he had a different Yeah, this

2304
02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:48.520
one's for you. This is This
is Brent on his top under the Cinemat

2305
02:39:48.639 --> 02:39:54.360
moments only so complete under the Cinemat
edition. Holy shit, y, alright,

2306
02:39:54.479 --> 02:40:01.239
all right, ah under this in
the mine. Some of my favorites

2307
02:40:01.280 --> 02:40:05.600
were Home Alone Masterpiece, A true
gift to Jack and the listeners. JP

2308
02:40:05.799 --> 02:40:13.280
called him McCarney culkin. Where's popped
me? Big time? McCarney culkin.

2309
02:40:15.680 --> 02:40:18.680
This movie is in some ways a
loose remake of Plane Trains and Autmobiles.

2310
02:40:18.680 --> 02:40:20.719
They are both written by John Who's
involve high jinks and revolve around a well

2311
02:40:20.760 --> 02:40:24.200
to do parent trying to get home
to their family in suburban Chicago with the

2312
02:40:24.239 --> 02:40:28.639
assistance of John a John gamey character
in the back of a vehicle. Home

2313
02:40:28.639 --> 02:40:33.360
Alone two also steals the bit where
a character briefly becomes a skeleton. Yes

2314
02:40:33.440 --> 02:40:37.200
they do. It's very true.
Please stretch the eligible ability. I listen

2315
02:40:37.600 --> 02:40:41.959
again. These are one that's one
of the movies that I'm forever trying to

2316
02:40:41.120 --> 02:40:48.319
get solar system like Paul that all
these find a way to connect plane,

2317
02:40:48.360 --> 02:40:52.159
trains and automobiles. Believe me.
Um, it's not that I haven't looked.

2318
02:40:52.239 --> 02:40:56.920
I have looked private parts perfect.
The super cut of wrestler clips from

2319
02:40:56.920 --> 02:40:58.319
The Stern Show is one of the
funniest moments in You to See history.

2320
02:41:00.159 --> 02:41:03.479
He was not mentioned during the episode. I believe he is also eligible as

2321
02:41:03.479 --> 02:41:07.399
a w a W Hall of Famer. Oh my god. One of the

2322
02:41:07.440 --> 02:41:18.159
funniest lines was saying, I think
regarding Kolebass and her husband charged charged with

2323
02:41:18.280 --> 02:41:24.120
a salt and pepper, a perfect
dumb joke that passed me big time.

2324
02:41:24.280 --> 02:41:28.360
JP mentioned the Citian. This made
me think of utc Alum David Arcady,

2325
02:41:28.360 --> 02:41:31.079
who appeared in the funniest Citian segment
ever, which involved the eighty year old

2326
02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:37.280
creator of the device talking dirty with
a yes, I've I've i've Oh my

2327
02:41:37.399 --> 02:41:43.879
god, I heard that one.
Um, it's a I believe it's the

2328
02:41:43.040 --> 02:41:48.559
porn star little loope. Oh okay, sure, and he and he's like

2329
02:41:48.040 --> 02:41:52.600
he's like he keeps saying something like
get the poison out, Come on,

2330
02:41:52.799 --> 02:41:56.479
get the poison out. That's that's
him, like talking about her coming getting

2331
02:41:56.520 --> 02:42:01.520
the poison out. Okay, dude, yeah, what do you feel?

2332
02:42:01.920 --> 02:42:05.440
You feel comfortable right now? I
do David's David Arquet's reaction was price was

2333
02:42:05.440 --> 02:42:09.040
a high meant JP seek out the
clip. If he's not heard it before,

2334
02:42:09.040 --> 02:42:11.040
I've heard it. Uh JB talking
about the late shift that should be

2335
02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:16.920
elabow since Jay Leno wrestled in WCW. That's fair, all right, all

2336
02:42:16.000 --> 02:42:20.079
right? Jack saying that Gary Labatt
looked like one of Paul Himan's dc W

2337
02:42:20.319 --> 02:42:31.040
Lackey's was a perfect description. I
hope that Paul Jimmadi's stays in JP sound.

2338
02:42:35.520 --> 02:42:37.000
J Jack, after hearing that line, said, what a moment,

2339
02:42:39.840 --> 02:42:46.440
What a moment in America. When
discussing Nicole Let's check out with the name

2340
02:42:46.879 --> 02:42:54.319
Bobby mackerel, it is the greatest
job or name of all time. Ricky

2341
02:42:54.399 --> 02:42:56.559
Dozan was a wonderful and unexpected way
to start the year. The Friends of

2342
02:42:56.639 --> 02:43:00.680
Eddie Coyle. After hearing numerous references
in this movie over the years, it

2343
02:43:00.840 --> 02:43:05.159
was fantastic to listen to the UTC
treatment McKenzie's Island. This might have been

2344
02:43:05.200 --> 02:43:09.639
the closest to dethroning the almighty Thoor
is Jack as Jack's most hated movie on

2345
02:43:11.079 --> 02:43:15.719
UTC, The Lucas ROCHMANI series.
I never knew how much I needed to

2346
02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:22.520
hear JP dunk on John Williams from
me, m M, I'm oh,

2347
02:43:22.760 --> 02:43:28.600
yes, dim dim a lot,
actually a few. Chief Pride might be

2348
02:43:28.639 --> 02:43:35.600
the greatest laps UTC creation. The
episode also feature perhaps the best UTC sound

2349
02:43:35.639 --> 02:43:41.479
bite, you never know you never
never never no never never never know you

2350
02:43:41.600 --> 02:43:46.040
love it Jeff town and experienced like
no other. The discussion at one point

2351
02:43:46.079 --> 02:43:54.360
related to buff Bagwell fighting for time. Jack SAIDs is also get out.

2352
02:43:56.280 --> 02:44:03.680
I'm so glad Brind's out there.
Parsley brought Brian. I'm sorry Brian pouncing

2353
02:44:03.719 --> 02:44:13.719
it, but tell him again,
who said buff bag Well fighting for time?

2354
02:44:15.040 --> 02:44:18.719
Then you said he's also fighting for
Sage and Parsley, and then I

2355
02:44:18.799 --> 02:44:26.280
said Ann Rosemary, and then Brian
wrote, tremendous content. Thank you exactly

2356
02:44:26.399 --> 02:44:31.680
correct, thank you, Oh my
god, Planet Terror. Jb covering the

2357
02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:35.280
darkness of Robert Rodriguez was compelling.
I'd say he might as well be a

2358
02:44:35.319 --> 02:44:39.959
wrestler with his level of creepiness.
But he did find, but he did

2359
02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:45.200
find, Uh, he did found
the l Ray Network Ray broadcast Luca Underground,

2360
02:44:45.280 --> 02:44:48.719
so I believe all of his movies
could be considered eligible for UTC.

2361
02:44:48.920 --> 02:44:50.079
We have to, I have to. I have brought up the discussion about

2362
02:44:50.840 --> 02:44:56.680
uh filmmakers. How do you do
do certain filmmakers qualify as having directed uh,

2363
02:44:58.280 --> 02:45:00.479
you know, especially with those who
have directed U to be films,

2364
02:45:00.559 --> 02:45:05.479
But we haven't reached a full decision
on that. JP mentioned Tom Savini.

2365
02:45:05.120 --> 02:45:09.399
He helped create the Fiend mask.
I didn't know that, and also contributed

2366
02:45:09.399 --> 02:45:11.319
to outfits for Alexa Bliss. You
want to something, by the way,

2367
02:45:11.479 --> 02:45:15.719
it's something about Alexa Bliss. Whether
this came up? So, um,

2368
02:45:16.799 --> 02:45:24.520
I want to go see my new
uh doctor the other day, and um,

2369
02:45:26.680 --> 02:45:31.120
you know the well what do you
do? All right? Uh?

2370
02:45:31.239 --> 02:45:33.399
Well, I do you know?
I'm I'm I'm an actor and a podcaster?

2371
02:45:33.959 --> 02:45:37.399
You do a podcast? What podcast? What kind of podcast is it?

2372
02:45:41.280 --> 02:45:48.239
Uh? It's an old school professional
wrestling podcast. So fun. Not

2373
02:45:48.440 --> 02:45:54.559
what I listened to, but so
fun. Yeah, you know. And

2374
02:45:54.719 --> 02:46:01.600
then and then well it's a woman
and she says her her her, Um,

2375
02:46:03.719 --> 02:46:11.920
shit, is it her cousins her, she's Alexa Bliss, is like

2376
02:46:13.040 --> 02:46:18.360
her her sister in law or her
cousin in law somethow well she tells her

2377
02:46:18.399 --> 02:46:20.520
she listens to this show, that's
gonna be the end of her liking you.

2378
02:46:20.239 --> 02:46:26.479
Yeah, right, exactly. At
I don't know, I like her.

2379
02:46:26.600 --> 02:46:28.520
I know they all hate you know, we know the ones that lam

2380
02:46:28.600 --> 02:46:33.760
us and she's not on the list. And uh Russell any crowns for Triple

2381
02:46:33.920 --> 02:46:39.879
H with his on screen and behind
the scenes work and movies be eligible for

2382
02:46:39.159 --> 02:46:46.879
for uh utc Sabini. Yeah,
because he did the mask. I mean,

2383
02:46:48.440 --> 02:46:50.879
I don't know, I don't know. I like, I like it,

2384
02:46:52.639 --> 02:46:54.680
you like it's a good reason.
I mean, if they're contributing to

2385
02:46:54.120 --> 02:46:58.479
the actual look on the screen,
I mean that's well, then we're gonna

2386
02:47:00.079 --> 02:47:03.639
have fucking horror movies for days.
Man. Because he was, oh god,

2387
02:47:03.719 --> 02:47:09.079
yeah he was. He's a legendary
um prop guy, a special effects

2388
02:47:09.120 --> 02:47:16.239
guy, legendary um yeah, and
any an actor in a ton of ton

2389
02:47:16.319 --> 02:47:20.719
of movies too, So that just
all right. He's the thing, you

2390
02:47:20.799 --> 02:47:22.920
know, like the way you do
it, which is brilliant. It's like,

2391
02:47:24.559 --> 02:47:28.680
just because he qualifies every movie he's
ever done, you can't do more

2392
02:47:28.719 --> 02:47:31.239
than one of them, because it's
like, if he's the only anchor.

2393
02:47:31.440 --> 02:47:33.520
Yeah, because you know, as
people have listened, it's like a big

2394
02:47:33.639 --> 02:47:37.760
part of it is diving into the
biography of the wrestling connection. Sure,

2395
02:47:37.159 --> 02:47:39.280
sure you do a second TIMS of
any movie. It's like, you're not

2396
02:47:39.319 --> 02:47:43.000
going to repeat his whole biography again, No, no, I would,

2397
02:47:43.159 --> 02:47:50.079
but but I would have specific stories
as to his experiences about about each one,

2398
02:47:50.360 --> 02:47:52.360
and he's got quite a few.
And do you remember he's in uh

2399
02:47:52.719 --> 02:47:56.360
do you remember Planet Terror? In
do you remember it at all? The

2400
02:47:56.479 --> 02:47:58.239
movie? What movie? Planet Terror? Yeah? Planet Terror? Yeah?

2401
02:47:58.319 --> 02:48:09.159
You remember the cop with the bushy
look looks like fucking uh uh, I

2402
02:48:09.280 --> 02:48:13.760
can't go, don't mind, I
can't think his fucking name, Horney guy,

2403
02:48:13.959 --> 02:48:20.719
the tone of the tiger Lee Marshall, Ladle Marshall. But yeah,

2404
02:48:20.799 --> 02:48:26.639
yeah, that's Tom saviniorny guy.
He's like nothing, I know, Well,

2405
02:48:26.680 --> 02:48:30.639
he did it all. Actually we
just decided one day that this is

2406
02:48:30.719 --> 02:48:37.399
his m O. Yeah. Um
premonition. Perhaps the best UTC episode ever.

2407
02:48:37.520 --> 02:48:41.760
All right, I'll thank it.
Hearing JP's experiences working on this movie

2408
02:48:41.840 --> 02:48:45.360
was tremendous. A revelation that Jack
used an alter ego and calling Jack at

2409
02:48:45.399 --> 02:48:46.959
work, what I oh, JP
use an alter ego. When calling Jack

2410
02:48:48.040 --> 02:48:52.360
at work, what's hilarious? JP
talked about his grandmothers staying awake watching Speed.

2411
02:48:52.760 --> 02:48:56.959
Wow, I I love Jack's observation
that older relatives always sleep early,

2412
02:48:56.360 --> 02:49:00.799
always slept early, so you remember
the times they stayed awake. Another great

2413
02:49:00.799 --> 02:49:05.920
moment was JP saying wrestling needs a
rating board like the movies. It's called

2414
02:49:05.920 --> 02:49:15.360
the Observer. Oh seth Rawlins wouldn't
be happy about that. I watched that

2415
02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:20.600
videos such an idiot. Yeah,
there's there is nothing he can do to

2416
02:49:20.680 --> 02:49:28.159
make me like her. Everything he
fucking does is just so annoying. Christmas

2417
02:49:28.239 --> 02:49:31.559
Bounty. Actually, this might have
come the closest to dethroning the Almighty Thoor

2418
02:49:31.639 --> 02:49:35.520
as the worst movie. JP said, what's wrong? Jack? Jackers?

2419
02:49:35.559 --> 02:49:41.120
But I'm watching under protests after hearing
Fox and Friends clipping Jack suffering, what's

2420
02:49:41.200 --> 02:49:46.399
hilarious? I learned every I learned
hearing how much you hate the term doc

2421
02:49:46.559 --> 02:49:52.280
doc documentary? Yeah you know it
was. I decided to do TNH to

2422
02:49:52.319 --> 02:49:56.959
get you back right. I did
not know that? All right? Well,

2423
02:49:58.000 --> 02:50:00.719
then, I how how hilarious that
that would be? Though? If

2424
02:50:01.360 --> 02:50:07.200
if if if basically I put I
did a miss movie right, and so

2425
02:50:07.319 --> 02:50:11.719
you did TNH and then I did
that marine you know, semper foe journey

2426
02:50:11.760 --> 02:50:16.120
to get you back more. Miss
Captain knows on various moments that popped me

2427
02:50:16.399 --> 02:50:20.360
or or eli eligibility questions of varying
degrees of seriousness that came to me during

2428
02:50:20.399 --> 02:50:22.520
the Willow episode. I'm not sure
how it came up, but laughs.

2429
02:50:22.600 --> 02:50:28.719
Vin said, I create art for
Americana. Also discussed I believe in regards

2430
02:50:28.760 --> 02:50:35.559
to George Lucas were come on,
say it, but pursuit for pussy and

2431
02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:46.520
the hunt for kunt tremendous, tremendous, I believe, JP said Warwick Davis'

2432
02:50:46.639 --> 02:50:48.920
father worked for Lloyd's of London.
With all the wrestlers that have used the

2433
02:50:50.000 --> 02:50:56.639
policies, should Warwick Davis be eligible
for UTC, I love JP saying that

2434
02:50:56.719 --> 02:51:01.559
Spielberg was his was his hogan for
movies. Yes, the Rock episode had

2435
02:51:01.559 --> 02:51:03.280
a great line from John Spencer if
you turn in the work, they don't

2436
02:51:03.319 --> 02:51:09.399
really care if you're dying inside is
laugh also provided an all time great sound

2437
02:51:09.479 --> 02:51:24.000
by during the MCAMM I don't think. I don't think you ever figured out

2438
02:51:24.079 --> 02:51:28.360
what fel for his egg and men. I won't say what it means,

2439
02:51:28.399 --> 02:51:31.639
but just read it backwards and I
think, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2440
02:51:31.719 --> 02:51:37.079
yeah, yeah yeah. Also had
a magical segment on city planners of all

2441
02:51:37.200 --> 02:51:43.879
things. Oh nothing, nothing,
nothing better than when we start talking about

2442
02:51:45.079 --> 02:51:48.799
kind of you know, city or
small town Barrow always talk about you know,

2443
02:51:50.120 --> 02:51:52.440
the local permitting. I love that's
it's the best part, honestly,

2444
02:51:52.680 --> 02:51:58.879
to hear how it affects the uh, how to filming affect the fucking These

2445
02:51:58.920 --> 02:52:03.159
fucking idiots were vocal. Yeah,
it's so awesome. The Independence Day episode

2446
02:52:03.200 --> 02:52:07.000
involved Jack talking about the Sopranos.
JP accidentally referred to David Cross instead of

2447
02:52:07.159 --> 02:52:11.479
David Chase, which was hilarious.
That's funny. Gallo also was a reference

2448
02:52:11.520 --> 02:52:16.280
who, like buff Bagwell, has
dabbled at being a Jiggilo and even has

2449
02:52:16.319 --> 02:52:20.719
his own website for it. Oh
god, that's there's the one right there,

2450
02:52:20.079 --> 02:52:26.639
Brown bunny. Anybody. Let's see
if that qualify somehow. Sean Oliver,

2451
02:52:26.680 --> 02:52:28.360
who did the Nash shoot and does
the Nash podcast, has some Yes

2452
02:52:28.399 --> 02:52:33.200
he does. He does qualify.
I include wrestling journalists, so yes,

2453
02:52:33.280 --> 02:52:37.879
he does qualify. Yes, six
cents, Yeah for sure. Discussions of

2454
02:52:37.000 --> 02:52:41.799
renting movies during ut the episodes in
the Coliseum. Episodes make me think of

2455
02:52:41.879 --> 02:52:46.120
my childhood video rental store. The
name age of video good one and that

2456
02:52:46.159 --> 02:52:48.959
perfectly sums up when it used to
be better for us. May twenty one,

2457
02:52:50.639 --> 02:52:54.639
wwe did various movie parodies. Would
any of the parodied movies ust Fiction

2458
02:52:54.719 --> 02:52:58.639
or Braveheart boligible? Yeah? No, no, Pam Anderson, Yes,

2459
02:52:58.799 --> 02:53:01.600
was involved with ninety five I've Rumbling
Mania eleven toes she qualify? Yes,

2460
02:53:03.159 --> 02:53:07.639
that would make bored eligible? Yes? Yes, Oh that's great. Is

2461
02:53:07.719 --> 02:53:15.200
Alec Baldwin? Oh shit, here
we go? Is Alec Baldwin eligible after

2462
02:53:15.239 --> 02:53:22.000
the filming of Russ we know he
is a real shooter? God Virgin Suicides

2463
02:53:22.120 --> 02:53:26.280
I, directed by Sophia Coppola,
should be eligible? Why for infringing on

2464
02:53:26.360 --> 02:53:33.399
the von Eric's gimmick? Oh?
Oh man? Is Jaws eligible? Before

2465
02:53:33.479 --> 02:53:39.159
Hogan became a wrestler he was inspired
by this movie? How Spielberg filmed filmed

2466
02:53:39.200 --> 02:53:46.280
a leg drop because the leg falls
after it's been eaten, so it's a

2467
02:53:46.399 --> 02:53:52.239
leg drops. But I will say
Jaws coming soon under the spot so yes

2468
02:53:54.120 --> 02:53:58.079
back. Last two thousand and sixth
featured a tag mash between Vince McMahon and

2469
02:53:58.200 --> 02:54:03.040
Shane and Seawan Michael's end. God
is God eligiful for under the cinemat that's

2470
02:54:03.120 --> 02:54:07.840
wide open. Oh. During the
Scream two episode, Jack brought up Terrifier

2471
02:54:07.879 --> 02:54:11.639
two as a movie that made people
vomit. This movie features Chris Jericho.

2472
02:54:11.959 --> 02:54:15.719
Yes, that's indeed the one and
only qualified because it involves wrestling in his

2473
02:54:15.799 --> 02:54:18.520
wrests and as wrestlers. This would
allow you to cover Henry Winkler and call

2474
02:54:18.879 --> 02:54:22.799
Carl Reiner, will you ever cover
over the top? I need the UTC

2475
02:54:22.959 --> 02:54:30.440
treatment for Scott Norton, who you
truly love? At one point, Dason

2476
02:54:30.520 --> 02:54:33.840
JP mentioned wanting to cover David Mammett
Geane LaBelle was in his movie Red Belt.

2477
02:54:33.879 --> 02:54:37.360
All right, good, the initial
Spider Man movie is Yes, Randy

2478
02:54:37.399 --> 02:54:41.479
Savage in it. I believe all
Spider Man movies and movies he appears and

2479
02:54:41.559 --> 02:54:43.760
should be qualified because in the debut
of Spider Man in the comic books,

2480
02:54:45.040 --> 02:54:48.719
he wrestled like the movie. What
does JP thinkum? Also, you know,

2481
02:54:48.920 --> 02:54:54.879
hey, uh, it might not
be too far off because a Rachna

2482
02:54:54.959 --> 02:55:01.760
Man absolutely excellent point all of Spider
Man and that damn it. That's oh

2483
02:55:01.959 --> 02:55:07.799
shit, all right, say a
lot of things going on in my head

2484
02:55:07.879 --> 02:55:11.479
right now with all this stuff.
So, um, Joe Frasier eligible for

2485
02:55:11.559 --> 02:55:13.559
his involvement in wrestling it too?
If so, Rocky would be eligible,

2486
02:55:15.000 --> 02:55:22.200
I think so why why what Joe
Frazier but Brian Rocky. No, it

2487
02:55:22.239 --> 02:55:26.239
didn't do Rocky. Yeah, he's
Rocky three? Is he in Rocky?

2488
02:55:26.520 --> 02:55:31.799
I guess because of the speaking of
Rocky. The idea was based on real

2489
02:55:31.879 --> 02:55:35.360
life boxer Chuck Webner. He also
wrestled. Yeah, that that that qualifies

2490
02:55:35.360 --> 02:55:39.360
it because it's the Chuck Webner thing
and he wrestled that. I knew,

2491
02:55:39.440 --> 02:55:41.559
and I didn't know it qualified,
but I wasn't sure. When will Dennis

2492
02:55:41.639 --> 02:55:46.520
Rodman go under the cinemat how he
would allow you to cover North Korea based

2493
02:55:46.559 --> 02:55:50.280
on his relationship with Kim Jong.
That's true. It's true. Kevin Nash

2494
02:55:50.399 --> 02:55:54.319
was Oz. This means the Wizard
of Oz is eligible interest It's a very

2495
02:55:54.360 --> 02:56:03.360
interesting question. Oh my god,
because I mean that that would be a

2496
02:56:03.479 --> 02:56:07.399
crazy I have. I have this
book about the entire behind the scenes making

2497
02:56:07.440 --> 02:56:15.719
a Wizard of Oz. That's not
a bad idea. It was all about

2498
02:56:15.879 --> 02:56:20.600
turning the Yeah turner having the thing. Yeah, I gotta make sure I

2499
02:56:20.680 --> 02:56:22.239
put this down because, off,
I forget, I'm gonna be what do

2500
02:56:22.319 --> 02:56:26.879
they play that every year? Is
that Thanksgiving or that's more on Christmas?

2501
02:56:26.959 --> 02:56:31.399
I think, Wow, Wizard of
Oz, That's not what I ever expected

2502
02:56:31.479 --> 02:56:35.040
to put down on this list.
The list is insane, by the way,

2503
02:56:35.559 --> 02:56:41.440
just it's it's it's in. It's
in fucking sane like I never would

2504
02:56:41.440 --> 02:56:50.360
have thought, never would have thought. Um to another cameo of fucking Nash

2505
02:56:50.440 --> 02:57:01.520
talking about ozsa um okay on the
list. I think any movie with the

2506
02:57:01.639 --> 02:57:05.399
Hulk should be eligible. Yes,
I believe royalties had to be paid to

2507
02:57:05.479 --> 02:57:09.319
Marvel at Hulk Hogan to use the
name. Who wouldn't want angle to go

2508
02:57:09.399 --> 02:57:13.760
under the cinemat. Yes, the
Hulk the Hulk Is is on the list

2509
02:57:13.879 --> 02:57:18.639
for sure. And thanks for the
hundreds of hours of UTC episodes from the

2510
02:57:18.760 --> 02:57:18.280
last year.