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Well off of a weekend that has
seen Canello Alvarez successfully defend his undisputed super

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middleweight championships in Las Vegas over Jamel
Tarlo, who deserves a lot of credits.

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We got popped. The bunch hung
in there, but it was still

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a one sided win for Cannello.
We're ready to recap that, the entire

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fight card, all of the action
from this weekend, fight news, nostalgia,

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and more. It is the Fight
Freaks United Recap Podcast. I'm the

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somewhat capable host, t J.
Reeves. He is our insider, Dan

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Raphael. We have both been traveling. You beat me, by the way,

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because you've traveled another couple thousand miles
and I did, from Las Vegas

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back to your home in Northern Virginia. I have spent Saturday and Sunday in

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New Orleans in the Big Easy where
my Buccaneers and the NFL got to win

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over the Saints. But we're here
to talk boxing. You were there at

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ringside. We're ready to talk Canelo
in the pay per view, all the

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fights from that and much more.
First of all, how you feel in

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your jet lag? You all right? You're cranky? What's the good the

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Jella doesn't really kick in until the
next day. Really, But I'm fine

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because I've slept on the plane and
I've been on West Coast time, so

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for me and maybe ten thirty or
eleven o'clock a night whenever we're taking this,

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I know you're ready, if you're
ready to go eat a meal and

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I'm ready to crash. I understand
that we're not gonna get with each other

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and write something or like watch TV
or you know whatever. I understand it.

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It was a good it's good,
good fight week and I got there

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Wednesday as if they listened to the
Friday podcast. I know. And uh,

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whenever there's a big event, it's
always fun to be back in Vegas,

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see everybody and feel the excitement and
and just take it all in.

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And you know, I've done it
a million times, but it doesn't really

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ever get old, no doubt.
All right, again, thank you for

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done. All right, let's get
right into it. We've had a little

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over twenty four hours now right at
it to digest what we saw right off

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the Canelo pay per view and his
win in the main event. I think

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we got to tell the keeps also
that besides this car, we got the

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freaking undisputed heavyweight championship fight we're gonna
talk about to talk Tyson Fury and Alexander

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Usik. They have agreed. We
did talk on the bet US show.

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All of this runs together on the
bet US Live Show on their platforms.

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We did mention it because it was
announced Friday. We'll go into some detail

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in a little bit. Stand by
for that. But again, you were

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there, we were digesting Canelo's win. I will submit to you because you're

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about I'm about to wind you up
and set you off to go. I

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will submit Canello dominant. Charlo deserves
credit for toughness. He took a lot

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of big shots, only went down
the one time, wasn't really marked up

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after the fight, but never really
threatened Canello. He hit him hard a

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couple of times, but never sustain
anything. Canello gets the win. There's

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he's saying that distant you were there, let's go, what did you see?

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Well, You're given Charlo a lot
more credit than I'm going to give

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him. And by the way,
I like Jamale Charlo. I've known Jamalo

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Charlo since he was a young prospect. I've covered many of his fights.

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I think he's somewhat misunderstood. I
don't find them a bad guy like other

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people bake him out to be.
However, in the case of specifically related

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to his performance and this particular fight, are you kidding me? You get

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the opportunity of a lifetime. You're
going in the ring with the biggest star

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in the sport, You're making your
biggest payday, you get a chance to

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be the undisputed champion in two way
classes at the same time, and you

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put in that kind of fucking effort. He talks about lions, only I'm

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talking about the cowardly lion. I
was not impressed, now, Jamal,

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he didn't you know. He came
through the fight. And I never seen

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a guy who knows he got blown
out on the cards fall into a smile

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and embrace with his opponent so quickly
and so easily as your mel Charlo.

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You know, I didn't even know
what you're gonna ask me to kick it

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off. And I'm just off the
plane and I'm just back. I've been

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home ten minutes. I washed up
and took a leak in the reverse order,

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and then I came in to do
the podcast, and now you're setting

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me off in the first freaking five
minutes of this thing. Your Melis Charlo

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didn't come to win. He came
to collect a check. He came to

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not get knocked out to go,
even said in his interview with Jim Gray

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after the fight, Kenello knocked all
those other guys out, he didn't knock

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me out. He was happy to
not get knocked out. I felt like

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that's how he fought the fight,
to not get knocked out. And having

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looked at some of the clips,
his trainer Derek James was, you know,

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doing what he was supposed to,
try to motivate him, get him

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to go and actually do something.
He had no a billet, and listen,

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you know what, if we're gonna
give Derek all the credit, win

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his guys win big fights. When
Arrow was on just you know, winning

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unifying three titles and winning big fights, and Charlotte became undisputed, and he

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had Anthony and Joshua looking pretty good
in the comeback fights. When your guy

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does well, the trainer, it's
the glory. When your fighter stinks,

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you get some of the blame.
And Derek gets some of the blame because,

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uh, you know, he was
saying the right things. But I

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just wonder what was the game plan
when he was losing after four or five

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six rounds. There was never a
change in pace, never a change in

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strategy, never anything. I asked
Jamal at the press conference afterwards. You

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know, did you knew you were
behind? Did you think about, like,

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I gotta change things radically? And
I used the term sell out,

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which means in my mind, that
means just throw it to the wind,

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you know it. If you're you
know, either get him out of there

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or you're gonna get knocked out,
but do something. And I keep thinking

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to myself, I think of Deontay
Wilder. Deontay Wilder, he knows in

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certain fights, like I'll look at
the Luis Ortiz fight, like he's losing

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on the cards, it's, you
know, kind of killer die. I'm

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gonna go out of my shield if
I lose. I lose, like with

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Tyson Fury and the third fight,
he knows he's hurt, he doesn't even

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know where the fuck he is,
and he's in there just swinging and trying

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to get everything out of himself to
win this fight. Jamal Charlot did not

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leave it all in the ring.
And again he he's the fighter. That's

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his job. I'm not saying you
got out there and get yourself killed,

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but you got to give a little
bit more of an effort than he gave.

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I was not impressed. You're giving
him way too much credit. All

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right, Well, I don't know
that I'm given in credit. I just

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pointed out what I saw. So
let me go a little more in depth

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on two or three things that lead
to this. And I'm not making excuses.

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The guy was off a year and
a half layoff, and he did

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look and he did look rusty.
I'm not making an excuse. He looked

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rusty at the beginning of the fight. The next thing is he's off a

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broken hand, which we understand now. He did throw the left hand some

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and he landed a couple of them. But when we went into this,

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I said to you, which one
is the this is obvious stuff, which

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one's the Hall of Fame fighter,
Which guy hasn't fought in a year and

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a half. Which guy's off a
broken hand? And this went pretty much

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like I expected, which is Jemel
Charlo And I agree with what you just

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said. Where's the adjustment back half
of the fight, eighth round, tenth

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round, Where's some kind of an
adjustment. And I think it's very valid

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criticism that as that wore on,
it looked like survival mode. It looked

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like I'm here to get paid to
try not to get knocked out, and

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that's it, and then I'll go
back to junior middle weight and fight other

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guys. He's the first thing I
was talking about in the interview afterwards,

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and then again when he came to
the news, Carvers was, ah,

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you know, no, biggie,
You'll win some, you lose some.

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You go back to the one hundred
and fifty four b champ. You win

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some, you lose some. The
same fucking baseball where you play one hundred

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and sixty two games. Is his
professional prize, fighting at the highest level

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of the sport. You know,
I want him to be pissed off he

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didn't win. I mean, I'm
not saying you got a stew better for

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the rest of your life and you
know, and get into a deep depression.

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But I want to see some emotion
from my guys. Let's tell the

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truth. Let's tell the truth.
He was gifted into this situation. It's

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not like he beat a big time
contending super middle weight fighter to set this

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up. He did not. It's
not like he had even fought anybody in

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this calendar year to set this up. This was handed to him. He

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did not earn it. There is
no spin anywhere when it works. Did

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he earn this? He earned?
Candid to him, he earned it from

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the standpoint that he isn't undis while
he was because when he del run,

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he lost his WBO belt based on
their ruling, and Tim Zoo was now

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the WBO champion of the one hundred
and fifty four pound weight class, but

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I do. I give him the
respect as being the youngest bed of champion

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one hundred fifty four pounds and it's
cerainly not the first time, but again

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again, I'm going another weight class
to win a champion, but I'm going

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strong like Rayfield, he went up
two weight classes and did nothing this calendar

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year to earn the shot. He
was gifted. He was gifted this opportunity,

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and he fought a fight like a
fighter that knows I'm gifted. I've

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gifted the money, I'm gifted the
opportunity, and I'm just trying not to

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get knocked out, I guess.
But Jamil also has talked so much shit

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about how great he is and and
I mean that doesn't bother me. That's

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boxing. I get it. Guys
beat their chest and I'm cool with that.

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It's not my first rodeo. But
when you talk dat much shit and

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you do that little team on you
man, I mean, come on.

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And by the way, you mentioned
about how he's off a long layoff,

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you know not. I mean some
of the guys who take these long layoffs,

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it's for different reasons. His was
obviously related specifically to an injury he

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had the fractured hand, Otherwise he
would have had the fight with Tim zew

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in January. But when you take
look at just in the last like a

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little bit of time last year,
not even like big name guys, big

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level, top level champions who come
off long layoffs and get smoked and blown

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out in their next fight by guys
who weren't off like that. Josh,

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you know, Josh Taylor come off
a long layoff. Timo Lopez spanked him.

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Rol Spence off a long layoff,
Terrence Scrufford beat the shit out of

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him, knocked him out. Was
not competitive. Stephen Fulton off a long

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layoff, goes to Japan, doesn't
show up against anyway. I mean,

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Jamil is just the most recent guy
to do that. I mean, all

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these fighters who are top level before
they got those other opportunities, look at

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the who they fought. Now,
not that Crawford was superactive, but he

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had fought. He had fallen in
December, He had faught in December.

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He fought December in a way,
had just fought in December when he became

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the undisputed bantamweight champion. Tiafimo had
fought, uh, you know, in

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more recent times, certainly than Josh
because he had had the fight with with

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a Pedro Campa and I forget there
was another fight in there he had all

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so he had two fights, I
believe, and Charlo hadn't had anything so

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activity or lack of I think,
you know, when you're a top fighter,

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like all the guys I just mentioned, are it ruins you? Now?

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Not all of those men that I
just mentioned. We're moving up and

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wait, Taylor was in his own
way class. Stephen Fulton was the guy

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who was fighting the guy that was
moving up. Spence obviously a career long

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welterweight, so Jamal was a little
different because he was going up to weight

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divisions. But again, I know, Canello is a super middleweight on distreeted

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champ, and he's been a champ
at light heavyweight and over all that.

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But he did fight a long period
of his career at one hundred fifty four

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pounds, so and he's and he
was physically smaller than Charlot. But he's

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just a better fighter. He's got
more punching power, he's got better skills,

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you know, Charlo. Well,
Charlo said he didn't actually say this,

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but Canello, in his mind,
part of His motivation, he said

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all through the build up was that
Charlot Brothers meaning Jamal and Dramal, he

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didn't believe in my skills and I
wanted to prove that. And uh,

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it's very obvious after I scored the
fight twelve rounds and nothing. He got

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a lot more skills than Charlot does, no doubt. I had the fight

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nine three and with the knockdown very
easy, and in the decision was right

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around there. We've spent so much
time talking about what Charlo didn't do.

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You were right there around one of
the all time greats. Tell me more

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about what he did, his legacy
continues, and what's next for him because

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you were around all of it.
Aftermath well as as I joked with Canelo

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at the news conference, the rumors
of your demise are greatly exaggerated. You

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know, obviously a lot of people
one of the talking points going into this

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fight was about how because of the
fact that he lost against the Meat of

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Evil, moving up one against Glufkin
and against John Ryder. But you know,

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I'll call that. I've referred to
the Triple G third fight as a

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quiet victory. You know, he
won, obviously, but it was not

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a dynamic performance. He didn't look
good. He looked a little a little

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off kilter, if you will.
The John Ryder fight, you know,

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he won obviously very cleanly and all
that, and you know, bust him

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up a bit, but the expectation
was, when the chasm of talent is

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that great and you're in front of
all those hometown fans, you're you know,

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you're probably gonna get the knockout,
and he just couldn't do it.

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Now, So you put the three
of those matches together and people are sort

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of like, well, you know, Kennelo is still a tremendous fighter,

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but maybe he's lost this that.
Maybe he's not what he was when he

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was pound for pound. Maybe things
have changed a little bit. He is

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thirty years thirty three years old.
Now he's now uh, you know,

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he was well going into into the
fight against uh, against Charlot, he

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was already over sixty fights. Now
he's got sixty wins, which is a

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big milestone. But with all those
all those uh fights and rounds and he's

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closing in a five hundred career rounds, that's a lot of rounds. That's

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that's like, you know, Bernard
Hopkins boxed into his fifties and retired with

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I think around five hundred rounds.
Uh and and and this guy is,

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you know, thirty three and has
been boxing things as a teenager. So

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the rounds add up. And not
to mention when you have that many rounds

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in the in the professional log,
think about the rounds he's done in terms

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of sparring that happens also, so
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he still looks tremendous. But like
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are greatly exaggerty because whatever you think
about Charlo's lack of effort, He's still

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a quality fighter. And he made
him look like hedn't belong in the ring

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with him. He was strong,
his defense was sound, he had good

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offense. I mean, I will
give credit to Charlo because when he did

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get tagg, he took most of
those shots pretty well. He did get

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knocked out with a shocking set.
Can see when the seventh town, isn't

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it fair? Charlo got blasted at
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fight and did not go down again
survive that seventh round. So this begs

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the question. I know, I
know this could be considered blasphemy. We're

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bringing it up. Canelo maybe winding
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ago or even a couple of years
ago, gets him out of there.

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I don't know. I mean,
this is now, this is three straight

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wins by decision. He couldn't get
John Ryder out of there, and he

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hit him and hit him and hit
him. He hit Charlo. Charlo's credited

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sum. All right, don't buy
the reason I want to tell by your

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expression, you don't buy that it's
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not possible. I don't. I
don't necessarily subscribe to I understand why some

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people might. The reason why I
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an excellent shi. He's got some
good punchers, and he's only been knocked

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down prior to the fight. In
the Canelo fight. You gotta go way

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back when he was a prospect,
when he got a flash knockdown, you

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know, when he was a young
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and he got up and then he
took care of business. So you know,

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you know, Tito Trinida at Oscar
Delahoyo, lots of great fighters get

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dropped around the career that doesn't mount
to a hill of beans. You were

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in the arena when he went down
the seventh round, did you, and

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did the arena think this could be
it? Right here? Because I'm watching

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remotely in New Orleans with the guys
I'm watching with, and we thought this

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maybe. Yet, what was it
like in the arena because you were there?

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Well, my feeling was when I
saw him get knocked down, to

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me, he looked like he was
okay. He got to a knee and

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his eyes were on the referee,
So I felt like he's there and he's

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he's actually taking he's doing the smart
thing. What happens is sometimes a guy

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gets knocked down and you see him
jump up so quick because they're frazzled and

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they don't really have their wits about
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They don't, you know, they
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But I felt like Charlo was there
because he was patient. He did observe

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the referee and get up when he
needed to get up. So I felt

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like he got dropped and maybe this
is the beginning where Canelo will start to

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beat him down and then take him
out, but I felt like he's probably

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gonna be okay to go a little, you know, to go longer.

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So I didn't have the My visceral
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not like he's gonna be about to
get knocked out. I felt like he

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got dropped. But he's probably gonna
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and maybe Canello will get him later
on. But but Canelo, you

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talk about the fact that he couldn't
get a knockout against Charlo, And my

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perspective is this, he does have
a good chin. And also Charlo,

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besides all the things I said about
his performance, he held a lot on

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the inside and he and he backed
up constantly. So when you're facing a

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fighter that is not going to be
there to engage you and holds and backs

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up quite a bit, it's harder
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thing and and Kennello spoke about this
at the press conference. I actually asked

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him about this a bit. You
know, he has put the fact that

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he had the hand surgery and before
that an injured hand, the left wrist

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and hand. He said it hurt
and it was a problem from going into

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the during the training camp for kalb
plant obviously looked good in the plant knocked

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him out, became undisputed, but
then it was still giving him problems with

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b ball, TRIPLEG and rider.
He did have surgery in there on the

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hand. Now he says it's one
hundred percent and that he feels strong and

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more confident. He was able to
hit the bags in the in the in

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the training camp, and no problem
in the fight and getting ready, and

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he said, you know, he
would like to get a knock out,

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but we had twelve rounds and I
dominated. You know what else he want?

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I won? He won generously all
twelve rounds, like I gave it

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to him, and at worst he
might have lost two rounds. You know,

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So the guy is still the bad
You know, he's still a bad

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motherfucker. Is the bottom line.
You're up on the f bombs after the

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long flight, and look, bottom
line is he is a first ballot,

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unanimous Hall of Famer and the legacy
continues. That was the big win.

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Give me quickly before we move on
to the disastrous controversial decision with ericson Luban

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in a second, give me,
give me what's next for Canelo? In

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your opinion, the name Benavidez got
mentioned in the ring. You all were

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asking him about that after the fight, in the post fight, what's your

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inclination? What do you think?
Well, one thing, he did stay

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in the ring as well as at
the press gardens. He'll be back to

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Stinko to my weekend in May,
obviously, and that'll be a big deal.

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You know, remember this was a
fight in September where he fought on

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September thirtieth. He didn't get to
go on his normal weekend of the Mexican

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Independence Day weekend, which was two
weeks ago because of the UFCU took the

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building on that on that day,
which was unfortunate, but that's how it

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goes. And I think that you
know, they can line up a good

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Canelo fight. They won't fear going
against the UFC in the right fight.

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But that's that's a that's an argument
for next year. But he'll go May,

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that first first Saturday in May,
and the questions who's he gonna fight,

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So there were some conversations that maybe
he would get a shot or maybe

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Jamaal Charlotte to get a shot.
Now Jamal is supposed to coming back.

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He was at to fight him and
his brother, even though they haven't been

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getting along recently. He did show
up. They showed him in the dress

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room hugging it out a little bit. He was at ringside. The word

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in the street is that he's going
to be part of this. You know,

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you know, when we're out in
Vegas, you hear all the showtime

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people, all the boxing coach Raither, you hear a lot of stuff.

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So the word is that on the
Andre David Benneviti's pay per view undercard,

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which the date that's being held is
November twenty five, which is the Thanksgiving

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Saturday, that on that card you'll
see the return of Jamal Charlo against David's

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brother Jose Benavidez Junr. Which,
as they come back fight, is not

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the worst thing I ever saw for
a guy that hasn't foughten over two years.

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So if he comes through that and
he looks good, they may give

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him a shot against Canelo. I
think that would be the wrong move because

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the general public is gonna be what
he's fighting Charlo again, We just got

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I agree with that. Again,
We've already gifted We've already gifted one Charlo

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and you're gonna reward the other one
for fighting a guard. That's a garbage

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that you're talking about. Jose Benavidez
Junior. Okay Charlo against Josie Benavides Junior.

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There's nothing wrong with that fight,
But if he wins and then to

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get Canello off that that I got
a little bit of a problem with.

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So I'm thinking who else is there
now? He hasn't really wanted to fight

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Benavides. He's got some kind of
bug up his butt about about David and

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some of the disrespect that his father
has shown him. More than the fighter,

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I think, I guess money talks. I'd like to see that fight.

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I think every boxing pan would be
I said this, since David beat

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the fight beat Caleb Plant back in
March, that if Cannelo Alvarez is the

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undisputed super middleweight champion, then David
Benavides is the undisputed number one contender.

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He's the number one guy in the
division not named Canelo. That's just the

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bottom line. So the winner of
Andre Benavidez is the obvious choice, but

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business things come into play. Who
knows what they'll do Benavitis against Canelo one

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single Demyo the Mexican against the Mexican
American on the Mexican Holiday. That's a

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freaking big fight. If Andre beats
benevite Is, that's a huge dwin.

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And now you have the trash talking
American against Canello, you know that.

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I mean, I'd be fine with
that fight. I mean, I think

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Andre has been dramatically underrated for a
long time. David Morrella would be a

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great opponent, but he just does
not have the notoriety or the ability to

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necessarily generate a big pay per view
audience to help out with the sales.

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So it's a good fight, but
I think he needs a little more seasoning

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and so you know, who knows
what's going to be. And then,

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by the way, they don't have
to only fight PBC guys. Canella runs

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his show. If they go across
the street to some other promoter and have

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an opponent in mind, trust me, they can make a deal because that

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opponent's going to make the most money
possible fighting against him. I mean,

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for you know it, just as
one example, I don't stop saying this

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would happen if Cannello decided, Hey, go get me himI Mongia, go

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get me Edgar Berlanga or whatever like. Those are other names that you could

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potentially throw in the mix because they
can offer them riches that their their promoters

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would have no chance to say no
to. How do you say no to

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a Knello fight. He's the You
get a shot at all the titles and

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you get all the biggest money possible. Good enough, it was right,

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It was good. It was good
to see him back. It was good

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to see him healthy, good to
see him doing his thing. And you

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know, I'm not going to sugarcoat
it. I love going to Canelo fights.

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That was my number twenty one from
my career in terms of in person

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coverage. He's a class act.
And Jamale Charlotte decided he didn't want to

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show up and actually put in the
effort that we deserved as boxing fans,

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not saying he has who go out
there and get himself killed, like I

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said, but you got to show
up and if you lose the fight,

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be a little bit more upset about
it. Don't smile immediately and say it,

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well, I didn't get knocked out. That means that's what I came

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for, is to not get knocked
out. Now to the co feature fight,

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it is roughly twenty four hours later, have we figured out how in

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the world two of those judges ringside
in the co feature gave Ericson Lubin eight

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rounds for one of them and then
nine rounds for the other one against Hazer's

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Ramos in a fight that we built
up a bunch. Dude, I even

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have a trouble I haven't got but
with the other one giving him seven rounds.

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Yeah, one judge had at one
fifteen one thirteen, John Chris Migley,

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or he had at fifteen thirteen,
which is seven to five. John

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McKay had at one sixteen one twelve, which is eight to four. Patrician

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cors Jarman, who has always been
one of the worst judges in the Nevada.

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I don't understand why she continually gets
to the assignments. She had at

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nine rounds at three that's one seventeen
to one to eleven. I'm listen,

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okay. I'm sitting there in my
chair in my immedia scene. I got

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my man Mitch Abramson, the one
of the pr men from Showtime, on

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my left. I got my boy
Keith Idik from boxing scene on my right,

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and we're exhorted when the bell rings
to end the fight, You're like,

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how did you have it? How'd
you have and where all three of

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us and other people there, you
know, Oh yeah, you're Ramos,

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say know he won that fight obviously. Now they announced the scores and you

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hear the scores and you're like,
okay, I mean, fifteen thirteen is

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probably a little bit too close for
Ramos to get it away, only two

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when I had seventeen eleven, Like, yeah, okay, Ramost got the

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fight. John McKay won sixteen twelve
whatever anyway, and the winner is Ericson

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Lubin, And I swear to god, it was like a man, I

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think, and I twisting our heads
so quick to each other, like I

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almost broke my fucking neck. Now
we're just staring at It's like with our

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mouths open, like what in the
heck I'm watching in New Orleans And I

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yelled out the word what, and
I think a lot of other people yelled

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out WTF, which is probably what
you yelled out shortly thereafter. Again,

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I don't want to make this out
that Ericson Lubin didn't do anything in the

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fight, but anybody, anybody that
understands anything about boxing that watch those twelve

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rounds, that thinks he won even
six of them, much less eight of

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them, much less nine of them. What are we doing here, Dan,

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Rayphael, thank you decision? What
are we doing here? Now?

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00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:59,079
We do this often, and I
know it's not part of the judging criteria.

405
00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:03,200
I don't have access to these statistics
during the fight. The judges don't

406
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,759
have access to these statistics during the
fight. Obviously, they can be skewed

407
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:08,680
because of you can land a lot
of punches in one round and not a

408
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,319
lot in the other rounds. So
it's a total as opposed who had it's

409
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,480
spread out over the course of the
fight. But I did look at them

410
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,960
and it was fairly consistent throughout the
fight. So I'm gonna say once again

411
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,359
as a just to let people know
I'm not I don't live and die by

412
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,799
copybox numbers at all. I do
not believe they should be the reason why

413
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:27,640
you score a fight for a particular
fighter. However, they do a good

414
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,000
job of providing a guy to a
fight. I say that all the time,

415
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,079
and if you have such a big
disparity, they're usually right on the

416
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:38,200
money. I mean it miss goes
to make logic and it's math. I

417
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,039
mean, I'm making this one up. If you got a guy that lands,

418
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,279
you know, three hundred punches in
a fight, and the opponent lands

419
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:48,079
twenty and one of them isn't a
knockout punch, then it'd be ridiculous to

420
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,799
think that the other guy is gonna
win the So in this particular fight,

421
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,119
Ramos, who was the aggressor perhaps
at times not effectively aggressive, you know,

422
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,839
to use the phraseology of the Lake
Harold Letterman, you know, effective

423
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:06,640
aggressiveness, but he was credited.
And again the numbers are not exact or

424
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,839
perfect, but again they're close.
I'm dy've been dear. These guys know

425
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,079
what they're doing. He lands one
hundred forty five of four hundred ninety nine

426
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,839
punches, which is twenty nine percent. That's pretty good, especially against uh,

427
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,359
you know, a guy that was
fighting pretty much off the back foot,

428
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,920
that wasn't there to mix it up
with you. So those are pretty

429
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,799
good statistics. Now, Lubin in
a twelve round fight, he lands ninety

430
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,359
two punches. That is pathetic.
That would be pathetic if it was a

431
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,119
ten round fight. This was a
twelve round fight. Five hundred thirty two

432
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,079
punches thrown not not terrible, that
was a little bit more than what Ramos

433
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,839
threw and landed at seventeen percent and
never hurt never hurt Ramos whatsoever at any

434
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,480
single moment. So when you've got
a guy that's landing that many more punches

435
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,240
throwing at a higher connect, Pesson
is by a lot and just visibly forget

436
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:02,640
about statistics. Clearly the aggressor like
he he hits all the boxes that yes,

437
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,240
he might have taken his foot off
the gas the last couple of rounds.

438
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,359
I was going to say, because
you have the numbers in fun of

439
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,519
you, that that disparity came down
some because I have to believe that Ramos

440
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,680
landed without seeing it, over one
hundred punches like in the first eight rounds

441
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,400
of the fight. I don't know
that he landed more than twenty or thirty.

442
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,119
Had him four rounds. I had
him up seven to nothing, I

443
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,000
know. And by the way,
Steve Farhood, who was scoring it on

444
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:30,480
showtime, gave Luban the first round
and then he gave like eight rounds in

445
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,799
a row to Ramos before giving lubin
the last three rounds and had an eight

446
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:40,279
four card. I had the card
as well like it at eight to four

447
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,160
because Luban. But again on the
punch stats, I have to believe Ramos

448
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,359
did let off the gas and he
maybe I'm just guessing here, he maybe

449
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,759
only landed about twenty punches in the
last three or four rounds. That's where

450
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:56,559
Luban caught up some to an extent. This was a one sided fighting period

451
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,599
that I want. But I mean, if you want to know what happened

452
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:03,039
with the statistics, so in terms
of the way that the punches were distributed,

453
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,279
again according to the unofficial Copybox stats. Again, let me prep let

454
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:10,519
me say so, but don't accuse
me of saying Copybox should run the boxing

455
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,440
wins and loss calm. It's there, they're not seen by the judges,

456
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,920
and they're also quality. They're quantitative
measurements, not qualitative measurements. In other

457
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,119
words, it doesn't measure how hard
you hit the guy. But again it's

458
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,359
still over the you know what forty
years that they've been doing this. That

459
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,960
that provides a sound guide and they
have a giant track record to compare it.

460
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,720
Again, so it's not just some
fly by night thing. If you

461
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,640
take a look at the way that
Ramos was throwing punches you talked about that

462
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,920
he let off. He was very
consistent in terms of how many punches per

463
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,799
round he was landing. You know, if you go to the second half

464
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,839
of the fight, like he landed
this high number of punches landed actually came

465
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,640
in the tenth round eighteen punches out
of forty one. Pre Pervious to that,

466
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,160
it was seventeen punches in the fifth
round. But he landed double digits

467
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,440
in most rounds. A couple rounds
he didn He had a bad ninth round

468
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,279
land at six to thirty four,
closed decently nine to forty one. Now,

469
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,359
listen to some stats on Lubin.
First l ericson Lubin in this fight.

470
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:03,640
Uh, only at the back end
of the fight. In the last

471
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,240
four rounds he landed double digits.
Those are the only you know in the

472
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,319
In three of the last four rounds
he did land double digits, but in

473
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:14,160
around eleven he landed only three punches
and the other guy landed eleven. And

474
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,720
the other guy was the one making
the fight coming forward. All that kind

475
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,240
of stuff, So copy box statistically, you know, you want to talk

476
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,079
about the distribution, It wasn't that
dramatic like Graymo's The activity level was still

477
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,400
there in the lake going to fight. He was in fact, very very

478
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,680
consistent throughout the fight in the low
forties for most rounds in terms of how

479
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,680
money he was throwing. And he's
a better he's a bigger puncher, it

480
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,440
seems to me than right. I
mean, I've not been hit by either

481
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:41,319
man, but that's my assessment in
watching and in hearing and feeling like how

482
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,839
those punches are landing. So it
was a very disappointing result for that.

483
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,519
And you know, let's call it
what it was. It's a robbery.

484
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,759
It's a robbery of ramos. He
deserved the decisions. I'll say this though,

485
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,519
there are some people who I saw
opinions who I respect. So the

486
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,960
former junior middleweight champion Eh Smith,
I'll refer to I've known for for a

487
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,920
long long time. I'll refer to
cha as my friend and me I have

488
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,640
a lot of respect for Esche Smith. He's he's a knowledgeable boxing guy.

489
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,440
He was a good fighter for a
long time, and uh, I see

490
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,599
his point of view. And so
we were having not like a negative not

491
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,799
like a you know, Kent Anchorage
right thing, but a little back and

492
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:22,079
forth on on X we'll call it
Twitter whatever, Twitter X right, and

493
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,359
and E's opinion. Like I said, I respect d Smith as a champion,

494
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,599
as a guy that that's that's been
in these fights and all that same

495
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:29,839
weight class. Frankly, you know
he's also one fifty four. When he

496
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,319
was had the title for a bit, he didn't see anything wrong with it,

497
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,680
So I mean, obviously he obviously
should never be judging a fight if

498
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,640
he didn't see anything wrong with it. Again, Hazeus Ramos easily won seven

499
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,240
of the first eight rounds of the
fight, if not all eight math people,

500
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,119
unless Luban had big rounds, ten
eight rounds, knockdowns something that the

501
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,279
math you can't overcome the math on
that, and then to get to him

502
00:29:55,319 --> 00:30:00,279
winning eight four or nine three.
Can we bring it to other sports where

503
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:07,240
eventually you've got to have some accountability
where these judges get suspended and or don't

504
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,799
work anymore and or get here here's
the problem that I'm having. This is

505
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,440
one of the things I'm struggling about
with this fight because I know what I

506
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,000
saw. But what I struggle with
is the judges who scored the fight.

507
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,279
Okay, obviously they're sitting a lot
closer than I am. They have the

508
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,880
perfect view. And that's always the
case when you're talking about a judge bread

509
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,400
to a fan or a journalist or
something along those lines. The problem is

510
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,400
those judges who are experienced, they
were all in the ballpark. That's the

511
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,480
thing now I haven't gotten and seemed
like how each each judge scored each round

512
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,279
and how many they had in common, you know, and which would lend

513
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,359
itself to say that maybe it was
a hard fight to score. But I

514
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,039
didn't see it in a hard fight
to score. I saw one guy making

515
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,000
the fight, landing the harder punches, clearly being the aggressor, or clearly

516
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,440
landing more punches over the course of
the entire fight. And even if you

517
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,880
tell me he won mostly I can
live with that. But to lose by

518
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,279
that much on two cards, I
just it's in competence. It's incompetence.

519
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,000
And let me just related Major League
Baseball, for those that are with us

520
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,240
of the US and are following,
Major League Baseball is now hit it into

521
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,480
the postseason and they've done something remarkable
for them, which is fire. One

522
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,839
of the more prominent awful umpires of
the last few years, Angel Hernandez and

523
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,799
they did it this weekend because he
finally, like the last straw, had

524
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:30,359
a horrible call on a check swing
and then ejected the player. Rice Harper

525
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200
of the Phillies and the Umprior's Association
in Major League Baseball finally had enough.

526
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,839
My point is, Rayphiel, with
bringing it to boxing, is when are

527
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,920
we going to see this kind of
accountability in boxing where at least you're suspended

528
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,440
for like six months. I mean, if we're gonna suspend fighters for failed

529
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,720
drug tests, if we're gonna suspend
people for cheating and doing things wrong,

530
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,319
what about for competence? Incompetence,
when are we going to send the message

531
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,680
to the other judges if you do
a poor job. I get the point

532
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,799
that all three of them gave it
to Lubin, but maybe you talked about

533
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,400
this before in a previous situation that
New Jersey suspended all three guys from a

534
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,799
judging thing because they thought all three
of them were bad. We get to

535
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,599
the accountability. Help me. That
was the That was the Arislande Laura Paul

536
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,880
Williams tobacco that I covered, and
it was the first time I ever seen

537
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,279
that happen, and I can't think
if it's happened ever since then. That

538
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,160
all and by the way, the
judge that got with the three judges got

539
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,000
to spend it, including one that
gave it a draw right or even might

540
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,240
have had the other guy winning back
forget if it was a majority or whatever.

541
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,799
But the bottom line was they all
got suspended. And I mean I

542
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,359
might even saying that they have to
be suspended what I would like to see

543
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,440
and they don't do this, And
it's aggravating as hell is, even if

544
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,880
it was a pool reporter, not
a big press conference, you know,

545
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,079
like they do in certain instances where
he you know, you take Rayphiel,

546
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,039
you take the guy from the La
Times, you take the guy from the

547
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,839
Associated Press. You get one one
journalist to go represent everybody, and everybody

548
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,440
gets to share the quotes and all
that, and you go and you have

549
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,960
them talk to the particular judge and
question and just get their feeling. What

550
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,319
did you see that made you give
the guy seven rounds? Try to least

551
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,519
explain it to it and like that
to me is part of accountability, all

552
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,319
right, real quick. Just because
the Commission protects it's a joke. There's

553
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,960
no accountability, all right. Just
to put a bow on what you were

554
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:16,839
asking about. Patricia Morrise Jarman's card, she gave Ericson lubin all six of

555
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,200
the final six rounds of the fight. On John McKay's card, he gave

556
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:29,160
ericson lubin. My god, after
the third round. He gave Ericson lubin

557
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:35,359
eight of the next nine rounds after
that, except it's it's unreal. And

558
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,519
then on the midglory card, if
that's how you say it, he uh,

559
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:44,039
he gave lubin three of the last
four. He did give Ramos the

560
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:50,440
twelfth and final round, but he
had given lubin nine, ten and eleven

561
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,799
late in the fight, so they
were in They were in agreement basically down

562
00:33:53,839 --> 00:34:00,960
the stretch, and even Steve Farhood
gave the showtime unofficial scorer gave Lubin the

563
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,839
last three rounds of the fight.
And again Ramos is to be blamed a

564
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,400
little bit, and he admitted in
the ring afterwards maybe he should have done

565
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,679
more in the tenth, eleventh and
twelfth round, or go get the knockout

566
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,800
and make sure you don't leave it
in the hands of the judges. But

567
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,360
still, one more time, there's
got to be accountability for this. This

568
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,559
is a fighting. This is a
fight where Jesus Ramos's stock takes a big

569
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,719
hit because even if he won,
he didn't look very good. Even he

570
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,880
got the decision and Lubin, most
people thought he lost, and I didn't

571
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,320
think he looked good at all.
So he got two young guys are still

572
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,360
relatively speaking, one guy twenty two, one guy twenty seven, Luban of

573
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,480
course, the more veteran guy with
a couple of losses and fought for the

574
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:42,239
World tide. All that, who
both kind of you want? I mean,

575
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,559
I don't even want to say there
should be a rematch because I don't

576
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,000
even think there's a reason for it, because I thought Ramos wants, but

577
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,679
I would, I would accept,
I will go a step for the Ramos

578
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,480
deserves a rematch to be robbed of
that decision. I'm not saying he'll get

579
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,199
it. I'm not saying it's realistic. I'm not saying the public outcries there.

580
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,960
But I mean, good lord,
he won the fight and he didn't

581
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,880
even get a single judge. All
right, we spent a lot, We

582
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,719
spent a lot of time on by
the way, Yeah, in those situations

583
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,920
like I told you about how Idik
and I were looking at each other like

584
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,920
we were shocked to hell when it
happened. I have been ringside over the

585
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,440
course of my career two or three
times where they'll actually have come back and

586
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,480
said we made a mistake. And
I was waiting for that to happen.

587
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,920
I've had that. I mean well, I mean, uh, there was

588
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,199
a half joke, and I think
it was maral Ronalo that we really thought

589
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:34,039
they announced the wrong name, and
and maral Ronalo even you could hear in

590
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,239
his voice I have I have nothing
else to say or no explanation for this

591
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:43,519
other than it just keeps happening.
And there's it's obvious in Las Vegas,

592
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,920
the places where it's the most important, in New York and elsewhere. Send

593
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,880
the message that if you do an
incompetent job, you're gonna get sat down,

594
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,800
if not fired with this has got
to be better, because guys livelihoods

595
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,679
are on the line too. Uh
you know, I'm not I'm not telling

596
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,440
you any then you don't know,
But for the audience, your livelihood's on

597
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,159
the line. Because in the case
of Ramos, he's maybe on the fast

598
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,320
track for a title shot. This
de rails him at least for probably six

599
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,719
months a year or more because he
got robbed of the decision. All Right,

600
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,039
we've covered that thoroughly. Give me
some Mario Barrios against Jor Dennis Ugas.

601
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,480
Barrios got the two knockdowns, decisive
win, and hey, he got

602
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,960
the decision. He's give me some
more. So, I mean, if

603
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,199
you listen. I don't remember we
talked about this on the podcast, or

604
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,599
perhaps it was on our bet Us
show. I said, flat out again,

605
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:37,079
not nothing personally against Mario Barrios.
Nicest guy in the world, like

606
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,559
most of the fighters are. But
I just was never like in love with

607
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,440
him as a fighter. I just
like I never really understood and never got

608
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,719
a lot of people typed him up
way more than I thought. I thought

609
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,679
he was handed a lot of things
that he didn't earn. I thought when

610
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,480
he won the WBA Regular title at
one hundred and forty pounds that it was

611
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:53,639
a terrible decision. I was ringside
for that fight. I was not,

612
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,280
by any stretch alone in that assessment. You know, he put up a

613
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,519
good fight against Tank Davis and got
knocked out, but you know, gave

614
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,039
a great effort. And you know, one thing about Mario Barris is that

615
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:05,639
he is going to go out on
a shield if that's when necessary. You

616
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,559
know, he is the kind of
guy that's going to fight to the end.

617
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:12,320
And so as a person that was
I guess viewed by some as like

618
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,320
you're a Barrios hater. Okay,
I accept that, But I picked him

619
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,559
in the fight. I said,
I think I said to me like,

620
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,920
I can't believe I'm doing this,
but I'm actually I'm picking Marrio el barrass

621
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,559
because I think he's gotten better since
he's moved up. And wait, I

622
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:29,519
think it's it's easier from the make
weight and it's it's better for him some

623
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,400
guys, you know that's the case. I think he's now in a situation

624
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,199
with the trainer Bob Santos, who
has become one of the top trainers in

625
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,960
boxing. They have clicked there together. It's it's an improvement and you're seeing

626
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,000
the fruits of that labor. You
know, he's by all accounts, he's

627
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,039
a teachable guy, you know,
a good student. You know, has

628
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:52,159
desire. And I'm always been a
fan of Ugas too, because he's got

629
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,679
such a great story, such a
nice guy. He's had so much hardship

630
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:59,679
in his life. He's overcome so
much and he's accomplished a lot for where

631
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,199
he was was, you know not
you know when he was down and out

632
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,360
and it lost a couple of fights
and he got cut by top rank,

633
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,000
and you know, his buddy rolled
his. Chapman, the relief pitcher,

634
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,159
helped him out. He set him
up financially, sent him out to Vegas

635
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:13,920
so he could get the proper training, and basically kind of bank rolled him

636
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,719
for a bit. That's why he
wears number fifty four, by the way,

637
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,400
on his trunks and on his on
his gear as a tribute, because

638
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,199
that's Chapman's number on his baseball uniform. Anyway, Ugas was coming off of

639
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,599
a long laughf he was coming off
of the broken eye socket that orbit Bonn

640
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,639
against Errol Spence when they were in
their unification fight. And so when I

641
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:31,400
made the pick and I picked Burrios, I was thinking, to hear,

642
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,480
you have Burrios, who was on
the upswing in my opinion, even though

643
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:37,360
he had lost to Davis, he
had lost the decision to Keith Thurman,

644
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,599
but he looked pretty good against Jovanni
Santiago and his rat last fight in February.

645
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:45,119
So the activity was there at least
because before that, after Thurman had

646
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:50,920
been a year off and in Ugas
totally the opposite. Thirty seven, had

647
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,079
a bad injury, got beat up
real bad. You know, had to

648
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,840
win over pack yot, but it
was an older pack yot, And just

649
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,480
to me, it was like the
recipe for this is all about young,

650
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:07,559
hungry fresh against old maybe not as
hungry and definitely not as fresh, And

651
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,119
that was proven out. Now I
thought Ugas did very well. I had

652
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:14,119
it a little bit closer than what
the judges had it. But where I

653
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:15,679
thought Ugas did a lot of good
work on that first you know, say

654
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,960
third of the fight, let's say, Burrios really came on strong, obviously

655
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,119
got the new knockdowns, he busted
up the eye, which, by the

656
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,920
way, Hue the eye was the
same spot where he had had the fracture.

657
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,679
And then in the last round.
The reason why for the weirdness of

658
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,000
the one oh seven score was because
the referee Thomas Taylor, when his mouthpiece

659
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,159
came out ugas is in the twelfth
round, he deducted one point from him

660
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:43,199
as a penalty for that infraction.
So the scores were a little even wider

661
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,039
because of that, but it was
a very solid victory for Burrios and the

662
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,880
reason why it's important for Burrios because
even though it was for the WBC interim

663
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,440
welterweight title, I think most people
that understand that Terrence Scrawford is the undisputed

664
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:58,000
champion, that those titles are not
going to stay together. I doubt that

665
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,639
he's gonna fight Mario Barrio and and
by the way, WBC is not going

666
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,360
to order that fight anyway. They
that's not That's not what I'm getting at.

667
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,400
What I'm getting at is that when
Terrence Crawford does fight next, whether

668
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,639
it's against Errospence in the rematch or
it's against Canelo Alvarez in the fight,

669
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,760
a lot of people are talking up. The bottom line is I don't believe

670
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:22,039
he's going to be defending welterweight titles
in the next fight, So that will

671
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,079
at some point in the in the
not too distant future become vacant, at

672
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:30,840
which point Barrios will become the WBC
champian. So in essence, this was

673
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,079
like it'll be like a retroactive thing, like this fight was in essence for

674
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,239
the vacant WBC welterweight title. And
by the way, we did not get

675
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,360
into what the possibilities or when we
did get into the possibilities about what was

676
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,599
extra Canelo I did not mention Terrence
S. Crawford, which is something a

677
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,960
lot of people have shown interest.
And I don't quite get that because he's

678
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:52,960
even smaller than Yellow and Canello talked
about. Now he's a much more dynamic

679
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,719
fighter and a better technician and has
a lot a lot going for him prepared

680
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,800
to Charlotte in my opinion, and
if Charlo and Terrence Crawford thought each other

681
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,079
at one fifty four, which was
suggested that Terrence go up and fight him

682
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,719
for the belts at one fifty four, I would pick Terrence Crawford in a

683
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,599
heartbeat on that fight. And I'm
not just saying that because Charlotte just got

684
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,760
beat up by Canelo. I would
have said that even before that fight happened.

685
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,079
And now you got Crawford saying I
don't want to fight Charlotte because he

686
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:19,639
didn't try against Canello, and you
know, Charlotte say, well, I'll

687
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,079
go back down to fifty four.
I wouldn't mind fighting Crawford. So there's

688
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,239
a lot of soap opera elements of
this that will play out. But in

689
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,800
terms of Mario Barrows, you know, he's in a great spot now in

690
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,000
in the welterweight division that's going to
be under under reconstruction. Let's say once

691
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,360
it's clear that Errol and and Crawford
are moving up. I know, we

692
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,920
spent a ton of time on this
car. We're gonna move on to everything

693
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,760
else. Give me something on Elijah
Garcia before we do that, because he

694
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,280
won, but he was in a
battle as well. Listen, other than

695
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,119
what Cannello did, he was the
star of the show. That was a

696
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,400
tremendous fight. He is an exciting
young fighter and by the way, that

697
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,840
the most humble, nicest, you
know, just I mean the first thing

698
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,199
out of his mouth after he was
talking about the fight. You know,

699
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,159
Other than it was a hard fight, Armando Rosendo's is good people like I've

700
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:07,800
never heard like a boxer say that
that his opponent, like in the immediate

701
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,840
aftermath, love a fucking war.
His fans and his team are the nicest

702
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,239
people in the world, and I
wish them nothing but the best. He

703
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,679
was really tough. I mean,
he gave him all the credit. It

704
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,840
was a great battle and it was
two worthy guys in there. I mean,

705
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,599
Rasenda's earned the fight by the way
he performed in the knockout or not

706
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,480
the knockout. Yeah, the knockout
against Jared Hurd in a tremendous fight that

707
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:30,320
was earlier in the year. And
Garcia, we talked about it. He

708
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,679
looked great when we got introduced to
him. He then he won, but

709
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,039
he was maybe a little bit flat
or a little bit you know, a

710
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,719
little bit complicated, let's say,
and in this fight was a tremendous battle.

711
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,039
But I think you gotta remember one
thing, Garcia, he's twenty years

712
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,639
old. This is not a guy
either that had like two hundred amateur fights.

713
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:50,480
I mean, he's like learning on
the job. He is a bad

714
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,400
boy. Also, he can punch, he's got a chin. It seems

715
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,960
like he's got a desire, you
know, he wants to lift himself out

716
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,239
of the situation he's in. He
wants to make money and and help,

717
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,199
like most fighters, make a better
life for the family. I mean,

718
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,639
he's only twenty, but might understand
he's married, he's got two kids.

719
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,920
He's a family guy. He's a
churchgoing guy. I mean, and he's

720
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,360
just trying to make a go but
in this sport, and he is an

721
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,079
exciting fighter to watch. Let me
tell you. I mean, that was

722
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,280
a fight where they rang the bell
and it was like a video game and

723
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,239
it was like that the whole fight, and uh, and it was like

724
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,440
somebody was getting knocked out. It
was just who and win a right.

725
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,960
So I can't wait. I can't
wait. I'll say this, TJ.

726
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,239
I can't wait to see Garcia again. I know he's fighting in the middleweight

727
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,599
division, and we talked about all
the time devoid, bereft of a lot

728
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,280
of talent, but he is a
bright face in that weight class. And

729
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,039
even Rasendez, despite this loss,
you want to tell me you're gonna put

730
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,400
him in another fight, put him
on a TV show that you know I'm

731
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,199
watching that fight because that dude is
a fun fighter to watch. This was

732
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,760
exactly what I love in boxing.
You have a great fight, two guys

733
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,159
who were interesting, who make a
tremendous battle, who are both likable,

734
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,719
and even the guy that loses and
the guy that wins, they both raise

735
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,480
their stock. I think both of
their stocks go up in this win for

736
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,719
Garcia and even in the loss for
Resenda, So I think they should be

737
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,760
uh, you know, welcome back
against anybody, especially Resendas with the loss,

738
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,039
and I don't have a problem with
that. And Garcia's you know,

739
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,239
he's got a chance to become one
of these very exciting fighters for a few

740
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
years and win a title and do
some damage. All right, good stuff

741
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,400
on that we should mention because we
did talk about this briefly in the preview

742
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,920
mode on the Big Fight Weekend preview
podcast. We also brought it up on

743
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,320
the bet US Live show that Jai
Opataia did defend the IBF Cruise aweight title,

744
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,039
went into London to Jordan Thompson's backyard. Didn't know a lot about Jordan

745
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,679
Thompson and he got beaten up.
Opataia knocked him down a couple of times,

746
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,159
stopped him. Impressive win for him. Just give me a quick take

747
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,039
on that and a good future it
looks like for Opataia, at least in

748
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:45,320
the short term. Yeah, you
didn't have a chance to watch the fight

749
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,519
live, but I did watch it
when I before I went to bed after

750
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,440
the fight the other night, I
was watching on my laptop on the zone

751
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,079
on the replay and look, I
had seen him when he fought for the

752
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:58,719
title and one against my Rispratist.
That was a great, great fight.

753
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,679
He showed a lot of time Opa
tie by by persevering through a broken jaw

754
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:06,000
and beating the guy who was number
one in the weight class at that time

755
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,400
to become the IBF champ as well
as the lineal champion. And he goes

756
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,800
on the road against the guy that
wasn't really experienced, but he was undefeated,

757
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,239
he was a lot taller. He
was fighting him in his backyard and

758
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Opataia is like, you know,
have gloves will traveling. He went there

759
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,079
and he beat the crap out of
him. I mean, you know,

760
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Thompson tried, but he was you
know, he was kind of out of

761
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,840
his depths of dead, it seemed
to me. I mean, Opataia comes

762
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,719
in as the champion and an undefeated
guy, but he also was an Olympian.

763
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,840
They mean, he had a lot
of pedigree to him and he did.

764
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,880
You know, he's he's a rum
He's a guy that just comes to

765
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,039
rumble pretty much. There's not anything
fancy batch i Opataia, but he's coming.

766
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:40,199
You better be ready to be in
a freaking actual fight ian because he

767
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,679
is not taking a backwards step.
And he cut a couple of knockdowns and

768
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:46,039
the bloodied the guy's face up and
stopped him. Was it, you know

769
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:50,400
for a first defense? Uh,
he can't really argue with that. I

770
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,159
hope he can, you know,
come out of that and be a little

771
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,360
more active. Obviously obviously the injury
hampered him. And you know, there's

772
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,360
some nice fights to make in the
cruiserweight division, particularly in Britain, and

773
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,960
hopefully he can be part of some
of those fights. And to your point

774
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,719
from earlier, he came off a
long layoff, granted level of competition.

775
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,559
I understand that, but he looked
sharp, he looked good, and Opataia

776
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,519
gets the win. All right,
some news and then some excellent nostalgia coming

777
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,360
up here in a few moments.
I know the buzz is all over the

778
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:22,039
place on the internet, social media
about the status of Showtime, Showtime Championship

779
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,719
Boxing, their relationship with PBC with
pay per views. You want to address

780
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,119
this a little bit because there's a
lot of speculation going on right now.

781
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:31,639
What have you you've been asking around, what have you been putting together?

782
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Well, you couldn't go anywhere in
the boxing circles at this fight in Las

783
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,679
Vegas this past you know, the
last several days without people talking this was

784
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,840
this was even a hotter topic for
some people than the actual fight between Canello

785
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,440
and Charlo, because that's a one
night stand Canello and Charlo. But Showtime

786
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,320
has been in the business over thirty
years, so you know, in the

787
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,079
in the larger scheme of things,
it's a lot more important than what was

788
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,480
happening between the two fighters on Saturday
night. Showtime has been a part of

789
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,920
the fixture of boxing for decades,
start in nineteen eighty six, and has

790
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:05,119
done some of the biggest fights in
the history of the sport has been I

791
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,679
think they're part of the biggest paper
ruws of all time. I mean,

792
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,800
they did obviously all those huge may
Weather fights. They were half of the

793
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,119
Payal fight with the HBO. They
did all those other pack all those other

794
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,519
Floyd fights, and you know,
you name it. They did big Mike

795
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:22,199
Tyson fights and Julio Cesar Chavis fights
and I mean Vander Holyfield. I mean,

796
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,400
they had so many great fighters that
have appeared on their network. You

797
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,119
know, maybe not as many or
as deep of a history as HBO,

798
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,920
but it ain't that far off.
And so the rumors are of course that

799
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,559
come the end of this year,
they're out of business in terms of at

800
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,960
least Showtime Championship Boxing and Showbox.
Again, I don't know this for a

801
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,800
fact, but I've heard it from
so many people that I think are very

802
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,760
tuned in, all from all all
walks of the industry. Not just boxing

803
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,239
people, mind you, this is
other people in television who know this type

804
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,000
of situation, that that will be
the end of it at the end of

805
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,960
this year. I hope that's not
true, and that there is the thought

806
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:02,320
that show Time at least for the
next year of twenty twenty four, because

807
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,679
by my understanding, the PBC agreement
that they had with them is supposed to

808
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:09,400
be over at the end of twenty
twenty four, so this would be the

809
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:14,280
final year, but they'll give a
buy on Clarify. You said, hold

810
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,599
on, you said the end of
twenty twenty four Clarify. Do you mean

811
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:20,199
the end of twenty twenty three or
do you mean the end of next year?

812
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,599
Go ahead, I mean the end
of twenty twenty three in terms of

813
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,960
Showtime Championship Boxing, twenty twenty four
for other boxing meaning pay per view.

814
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,679
All right, So the again,
my understanding is that the PBC agreement with

815
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,360
Showtime runs through twenty twenty four,
so but at the end of twenty twenty

816
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,719
three, and this is all related
to Paramount as their parent company, doing

817
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,400
lots of things to shake things up
because they are bleeding money apparently, and

818
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,159
they've sold Simon and Schuster, the
book publisher. They have their network b

819
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,639
et on the on the four sale
block, and Showtime is obviously just being

820
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:57,320
integrated into the Paramount uh you know, on their streaming service. So there's

821
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:04,039
lots of questions that surround the whole
company and Showtime boxing is one small aspect

822
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,639
of a smaller aspect, which is
Showtime in general among their entire portfolio as

823
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,199
they work through to try to figure
out what the heck they're going to do

824
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,880
with, you know, with their
business. I mean, they've been cutting

825
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,000
things that we're losing money, cutting
things that we're making a small amount of

826
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,599
money. Think cutting things we're breaking
even It's like nothing is sacred, frankly,

827
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,440
So I don't take this as a
personal thing as a boxing man.

828
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:28,800
Is disappointing if it's true. But
if the PBC deal is expiring at the

829
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,119
end of twenty twenty four, what
I one scenario I have heard is that

830
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:37,039
they will pay a buyout to PBC
for X number of millions of dollars and

831
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,360
there won't be live boxing on the
network. There will, however, be

832
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,800
a handful of pay per views because
they do have the inventory to do a

833
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,880
big pay per views. Canello has
two fights with PBC. Thank Davis is

834
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,559
they're going to be on pay per
view, perhaps a couple of NAVDS fights,

835
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:57,280
something else that could come up,
and so they can get through the

836
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,800
next year and still have a nice
pay per view schedule, just like they

837
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,320
had in twenty twenty three. The
thing is the net. The downside is

838
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,559
that the way you get guys to
go and become pay per view attractions is

839
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:13,840
why because you've built them on your
championship boxing shows and showbox shows on your

840
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,360
network, so the fans get to
see them in other fights and you're not

841
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,639
automatically just paying for them. So
they can ride these guys for the time

842
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,639
being. But what happens when Tank
Davis isn't still a top fighter, or

843
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,079
Canello is no longer a top fighter, or Benev this is no longer fighter

844
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,760
who's replacing them and showtime needs has
been the breeding round to bring those guys

845
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,760
along the same way HBO did for
years. Obviously you know Top Rank and

846
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,519
ESPN are trying to do that.
But I will tell you this, it

847
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:45,239
is my belief that it's always darkness
before the dawn. And so as Showtime

848
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,960
in fact does go out like the
rumors strongly suggest, and they would not

849
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,760
directly address it, and when I
talk to people, I'll get to that

850
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,840
in a second, because this is
the way it's always been, somebody will

851
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,440
come in and fill that. Now
it may not be the same, it

852
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,440
may not be as good, it
may not be exactly what we expect.

853
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,800
But as an example, when HBO
left at the end of twenty eighteen,

854
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,559
it was a few months earlier in
September of twenty eighteen that the Zone launched.

855
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,039
Now, is there some issues with
dysiphone and some things that they do,

856
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:19,280
absolutely, but in large measure for
regular boxing activity at the championship level,

857
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,599
they basically replaced HBO in that respect. So I do believe that if

858
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,800
HBO, I mean, if a
Showtime does call it a day, even

859
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,079
if they just go forward with a
handful of pay per views in the coming

860
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,679
year, that there will be another
entity that will that will show up and

861
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,920
do it. And by the way, one other thing, it's like common

862
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,880
knowledge in the business, not just
in boxing, but in the television industry

863
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:43,920
that Al Hayman is out there talking
to other places Amazon for example, about

864
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:45,480
trying to construct some kind of deal. Now that's not to say they're going

865
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,960
to make a deal, but the
point is he's got he's out there trying

866
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,079
to rustle things up. He knows
that even if Showtime stays in business,

867
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,960
he's got such a big inventory of
fighters he needs a second outlet. That's

868
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,400
why for a while he had Fox
and Showtime. When Fox went out,

869
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,840
you know, he had It's one
of the reasons why these guys are so

870
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,000
inactive. By the way that the
final year of the Fox deal was only

871
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,880
pay per views, and the only
fights that appeared live on Fox networks,

872
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,159
either the sports network or the main
network, well was on the night of

873
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,239
the pay per view, where they
would show, you know, some of

874
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,639
the preliminary sort of direct people to
try to go buy the paper. So

875
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,800
you've said a lot and I actually
have a little insight, and I'll share

876
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,039
this with you. We just kind
of go back and forth. We did

877
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:31,880
not rehearse this. So I have
a source, an impeccable source, not

878
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,119
a Showtime source, but this is
a source within Paramount and within CBS,

879
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:42,199
and this source has been saying to
me they would either absorb it as a

880
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,159
Paramount Plus entity in the short term
or seize it all together. That's the

881
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:50,159
same kind of thing that you're saying. So I'm hearing the same thing from

882
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,960
somebody else that's not related to Showtime
Boxing but is very plugged in. I'll

883
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,000
just leave it at that with what
Paramount might be thinking. So my question

884
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:01,360
to you is, if Al Hayman
has all of these fighters and has all

885
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,239
of this possible, you know,
fight cards, whatever, why could they

886
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,760
not do a regular fight card series
on Paramount Plus if they choose to do

887
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:15,199
a deal and then still have the
pay per views somehow some way through Paramount

888
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,559
Plus or do you think this is
something who knows for sure that they want

889
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,599
a bigger platform PBC, they want
a network, Let's say they want to

890
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,639
over the air network like what they
had at Fox, and they're just not

891
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,000
interested in regularly being on a Paramount
Plus stream up service regularly. What is

892
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,559
your read I can't tell you what
Al Hama is thinking. But it would

893
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:38,400
be my best guests with my experience
of observing and looking at the types of

894
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:43,400
things that Al has done, and
just in general terms, I don't think

895
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,199
it's a matter of we don't want
to be in a streaming service. I

896
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:47,760
think it's a matter of that paramount
plus or a paramount or whatever. They

897
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,679
just not want to spend the money
on boxing programming, that they would rather

898
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,360
spend their money on some other kind
of programming because of whatever their reasons are.

899
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,320
And that's obviously they're entitled. They're
the buyer. So I don't think

900
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,679
it has anything with that, And
I think they just don't see it as

901
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,840
for their purposes, perhaps the best
investment of what they use with their resources

902
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,760
were, and that they'd be better
off by. I mean, I'm making

903
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,760
those like to go buy a golf
thing, or go buy an auto racing

904
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,159
thing, or go buy a tennis
thing. I don't know, so I

905
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,480
think if there was a deal to
be made, I hear you. But

906
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:20,400
from a sports standpoint, they're in
bed with the NFL, they're in bed

907
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,079
with the NCAA tournament in college basketball
paramount we're now talking about, they're in

908
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,440
bed with Golf, including the Masters, including the PGA Championship. There are

909
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,199
hundreds of millions and billions of dollars
of rights fees going every which direction from

910
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,559
them, So it all makes sense. And I know we're getting deep into

911
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,679
the weeds on all of this,
but I just want to like, for

912
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:44,320
example, you have the ESPN Linear
network and they are the goliath of cable

913
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,880
sports. We get it, these
things evolving, and then you have ESPN

914
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,199
Plus where there are different events and
different fights. So you just wonder if

915
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,239
al Haman, much like the Fox
deal is looking at, is somebody at

916
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,559
the network level willing to put this
on a network, and then maybe some

917
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,320
of it is on a streaming service. But Amazon on Amazon has no network.

918
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,599
I mean, I think if you're, if you're and it doesn't,

919
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,039
we don't have to even just be
talking about PBC. It could be any

920
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,880
promoter out there. They're gonna go
where the money is, and if somebody

921
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,239
offers you a deal that makes sense
for financially and as well as the activity

922
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,320
that you can have regularity of these
events, they're gonna go where the money

923
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,519
is and where that activity is.
And if it happens to be Amazon,

924
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,159
so be it. If it happens
to be Paramount Plus or continuing on with

925
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:30,320
Showtime, you know, so be
it. But that was sort of like

926
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,679
that dark cloud that hung over the
fight week, and I have to tell

927
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:37,039
you, just briefly, it harkened
back in my mind to twenty and eighteen

928
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,920
when the boxing world descended on Las
Vegas, also at the Team Mobile Arena

929
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,440
to see the very much anticipated first
fight between Golovkin and Canelo, and that

930
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,679
was the final HBO paper you because
it was like two weeks later after that

931
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,679
the rumors were ramped that HBO was
about to go out also, but it

932
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,360
was a couple of weeks after that
fight took place that they announced that they

933
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,400
were leaving boxing. They did finish
up that year. They did an event

934
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,159
in October, which is the last
HBO card I went to. They did

935
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:02,840
another event in November of that year, and then they finished with the one

936
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,679
of the worst cards in the history
of the network in December. And that

937
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,880
was all she wrote. So I
hope that's not the case, because we're

938
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,239
talking here now. Showtime is planning
on this that they're doing the Tim Zoo

939
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,159
fight from Australia in October, you
know, in a couple of weeks they

940
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:20,880
are going to do this November twenty
fifth pay per view event that is supposed

941
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,719
to be Benavidis against Demitris Andrei,
and there will be probably at least one

942
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,480
other Showtime Championship boxing with some of
the other basts that are kind of hanging

943
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,639
around. If you if you follow
purse bids like I do, you see

944
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:35,960
that TGB Promotions, which is the
company that promotes most of the PBC events,

945
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,519
all of the PBC events in some
former fashion is they have like a

946
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,239
stockpile of like three or four fights
that they have won at purse bids that

947
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,199
and they've won them for you know, reasonable money in the scheme of things,

948
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,480
three four hundred thousand dollars that type
of money that they're sitting out there.

949
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,880
They have a straw weight fight they
have They've got the the the Hector

950
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,360
Luis Garcia Lamont roach mandatory at one
thirty that they want to purse spit on.

951
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,800
They've got a a fight I believe
it's the Ray Vargaskins Brandon Figaroa,

952
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,639
which is the interim champion against the
regular Champion of the w the full champion

953
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:09,039
of the WBC. That's one of
those fights that's rumored for either Showtime or

954
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,480
or that pay per view cards.
So they've got those types of fights to

955
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,119
clear before the end of this year. It just makes you wonder what happens

956
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:21,000
next year. And I have to
say, I mean, it seems very

957
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,760
obvious to me. Showboxes a gunner, that's they're done. That seems to

958
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,000
me. And I'm on top of
that. And I'll tell you another thing,

959
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,599
by the way, this is fact
because I had somebody tell me who

960
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:34,880
works for Showtime they're looking for a
job because they don't believe that they're gonna

961
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,599
be around because this is gonna happen. There are people at Showtime Sports.

962
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:42,119
That department is around thirty five to
forty people, and there are people that

963
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,079
work there that are reaching out to
other people within boxing looking for other gigs,

964
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:49,480
as they should. Yeah, because
you can't just wait for the doors

965
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,280
to get closed and the lights to
get turned off to go look then at

966
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,719
that point, all right, so
all right, quickly, because we've been

967
00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:00,239
going for a while, we did
talk about this on the bet USh Show

968
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:04,239
again on their platforms on their YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, et cetera Friday,

969
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,199
because the announcement came Friday. That
and I don't think this was a

970
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,639
complete coincidence to announce it Friday of
the weekend of a Canelo fight that they're

971
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:15,960
not involved in top ranked Queensberry K
two promotions. They went ahead and announce

972
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:19,199
you're you're wrong about that. But
I'll tell you why you're wrong. I'm

973
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:21,559
just saying they're not involved in the
other one. They just all of a

974
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:23,159
sudden announce on Friday, we have
a signed deal, but they don't have

975
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:25,119
a date, et cetera. All
right, so that's what they announced.

976
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,159
So elaborate a little more real quick
here, because we talked a lot about

977
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:32,159
it Friday, but for the audience
here, it's hearing us on the recap

978
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:38,320
podcast. Fury and USA have agreed. No, they're signed. The agreed

979
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:43,519
means signed non in my ven actor
when I write stories, I'm very specific

980
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:45,519
with my words. Agreed is we
have a deal. Now, let's get

981
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:51,480
the paperwork done and this thing.
Okay, so while you're parsing things,

982
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,400
there is no date. So while
you're swatting at me about they didn't just

983
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,239
try to upstage the Canelo thing.
They have no date. First of all,

984
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,159
to watch you again, the people
that are in charge of this fight.

985
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,440
Yes, it's Queensberry in Top rank
and K two, which are the

986
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,880
promoters of the boxers. But this
is not about them. The ones who

987
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:13,039
are calling the shots is the General
Entertainment Authority of Saudi Arabia, who don't

988
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:16,000
give a flying fuck about a Canelo
Alvarez fight. They got the deal done,

989
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,079
they knew it was gonna leak and
they wanted it out there. So

990
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:23,039
that's why it got announced because that
was the situation. If the otherwise,

991
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:27,280
you would never announce it on that
time frame. You know, we announced

992
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,920
it on a Friday. It's in
our news. Business is called taking out

993
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,159
the trash, and obviously this is
not This is not the type of thing

994
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:36,079
is that has taken out of trash. It's the biggest heavyweight fight in boxing.

995
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,840
So the General Entertainment Authority of Saudi
Arabia is not concerned about Canelo Alvarez

996
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,400
fighting in Las Vegas. I guarantee
you that. So that's the first thing.

997
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,519
The second thing is the fight is
signed by both boxers, by the

998
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:52,719
promoters, by the General Entertainment Authority
of Saudi Arabia. They are doing it,

999
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,239
you know, they've obviously they're the
same folks that are involved in bank

1000
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,920
rolling this fight between Tyson Fury and
Frances and Naganu that takes place on octob

1001
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,719
twenty eight. And the reason why
there is no date specific yet for Fury

1002
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,559
versus who sick is because he still
has a fight. Now. You can

1003
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,719
laugh and say whatever you want,
but the reality is he's getting in the

1004
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,599
ring with another big man who's gonna
throw punches at his head and there is

1005
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,760
the pay very real possibility as there
isn't any boxing match that you could get

1006
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,079
injured or you know, I mean, I'm not even saying he's gonna lose,

1007
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,599
I mean, but never guess,
but you know, you can mess

1008
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:22,679
up your hand, you can hurt
your shoulder, you can hurt your knee.

1009
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:27,800
He got seriously cut against Otto Valine, the personally messed everything up right.

1010
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,840
So the one thing though is that
the fight between Tyson Fury and Naganu

1011
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,840
is October twenty eight. It is
part of what is the opening ceremony of

1012
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,039
what is called Read Season, which
is a big cultural festival that the folks

1013
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,199
put on in Rion and Saudi Arabia, the capital of the country, a

1014
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,719
cultural festival, arts, sports,
food, music, whatever, and the

1015
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,920
boxing match is part of that.
The festival runs until early next year.

1016
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,599
It's like, you know, it's
a big thing to bring in tourism from

1017
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,719
Europe mainly, and it goes into
like the end of January. So the

1018
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,280
fight is supposed to take place some
time between December and when the festivals over.

1019
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,480
I don't know the exact data when
the festival is over. So one

1020
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:12,400
date that's been flown out there is
December twenty three. That seems a little

1021
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,840
bit obviously, that's fast if he's
fighting October twenty eight. Now if he

1022
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,079
goes in there, look, he's
not gonna When Floyd fought the crossover with

1023
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,960
McGregor, he carried him for three
or four rounds, five rounds, six

1024
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:25,880
rounds whenever, just to make it
look good and have a good time.

1025
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,159
Because he had him. He gonna
got rid of him, you know whatever,

1026
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,679
he whenever he wanted to do that. He was retiring again. There

1027
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:36,880
was nothing coming up after that,
so it was whatever. Tyson Fury,

1028
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,159
now that he's got the undisputed championship
fight sign, I don't think he's gonna

1029
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,000
want to mess about. You know, people ask me, what do he

1030
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,760
thinks that happened that fight. I
said, I've got Fury by we What

1031
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,199
do you mean? I got Tyson
Fury by whenever, like whenever he wants.

1032
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,400
But now he's going to have a
reason to go in there and get

1033
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:53,000
rid of tight against Nagan, who
get rid of him as fast as possible

1034
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,559
because he wants to make sure that
there's no injuries. Now, if he

1035
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,280
got rid of him in one round
and came through with no issues, yeah,

1036
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,800
maybe they could have to fight on
December twenty third. But if he

1037
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,960
doesn't, if it's a little bit
more stressful or whatever, they have other

1038
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:07,920
dates there. That's why there's no
date yet. But they have the location

1039
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,199
of the fight. They got the
fight signed and it's the next fight.

1040
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,239
Usik is not doing an interim fight. He's got Also, they work things

1041
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,440
out with the IBF. As it
relates to the Philip Krgovich mandatory fight.

1042
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,840
It specifies that even if Tyson Fury
and Usk have a rematch clause, which

1043
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,920
is still not known for sure,
that whatever the deal is, the winner

1044
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,280
of Tyson Fury versus Ussek has to
either fight Kergovich in the next fight with

1045
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,920
no intervening bouts, or they will
be relieved of the title, and therefore

1046
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,559
Hergovich is either going to be fighting
the winner of the fight or it's gonna

1047
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,599
be fighting the next leading available contender
for the big and belt. And by

1048
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:45,280
the way, the fight that happened
this weekend in Turkey between Otto Valleen who

1049
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,519
you mentioned, and Murad Gassi of
the former unified cruiserweight champion, they fought

1050
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,800
in an IBF eliminator for the number
two position. So based on that,

1051
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,960
if the title becomes vacant, if
the winner of Fury versus Usk does not

1052
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:00,119
fight Hrgovich, it seems as though
it would be Hergovitch versus Otto Valleen because

1053
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,960
he won the fight, and that
would be your vacant IBF title fight.

1054
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,599
But the bottom line and more important
than that, is that US and Fury

1055
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,639
have signed and that shows you when
there's money that the Saudis or anybody puts

1056
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:15,840
up, all the other bullshit goes
out the window and Tyson Fur doesn't have

1057
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,840
to go run around making social media
videos and you love there you go and

1058
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,920
you love this. Just as a
reference. Deonte Wilder fought the rematch with

1059
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,559
Luis Ortiz in November of twenty nineteen
and then was back in the ring in

1060
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:30,440
February, three months later for the
second fight with Fury, and they had

1061
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,800
signed two fights including the rematch,
so that was roughly somewhere around ninety days.

1062
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,119
So it's not unrealistic that the Fury
fights at the end of October.

1063
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,559
He could be in the ring in
ninety days in January, and maybe even

1064
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,760
a little quicker in January. Absolutely
not unheard of. That's what we're saying.

1065
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:50,719
More and more important than than the
logistics of the of the of the

1066
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,599
win, and exactly that we're talking
about is this is the biggest fight in

1067
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:59,079
heavyweight boxing. There hasn't been an
undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis defeated Vander

1068
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,639
Holyfield in nineteen nine, everymatch back
in the old days of the three belt

1069
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:04,039
the era, and this is what
we s fans want to see. We

1070
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:08,920
want to see the clarity at the
top. I mean, Fury, he

1071
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:13,920
is the lineal champion, he has
one belt and in Usic has been the

1072
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,159
more active fighter from the standpoint recently
anyway with the Duba Victorian, and he

1073
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,159
has the three belts, and so
it's the right fight. I mean,

1074
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,280
what else could you possibly want they're
two undefeated fighters, they're two champions,

1075
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,880
They're two great fighters at what they
do. They bring different styles, very

1076
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,360
very different personalities, different countries,
you know, lots of different things going

1077
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,719
into this fight. It's a huge, huge deal. All right. We

1078
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:43,599
saw Ryan Garcia ringside at the Canelo
Charlo pay per view and you've got reporting

1079
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:45,519
here because you've learned about his return, which you've been talking about on our

1080
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,400
podcast Give us more. Well.
I have mentioned in the past, we've

1081
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,760
talked about some of the possible opponents
to two of which are the Golden Boy

1082
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,679
fighter, Oscar Duarte and Pedro Kampa, who is familiar to some because he

1083
01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:01,079
had to fight against Tiafimo Lopez not
that long ago. But the fight,

1084
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:04,159
which did not have anything as far
as a location and a date, I

1085
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:09,079
am told one hundred percent is going
to be December the second, And there

1086
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,239
have been a lot of people questioning
is it gonna be The Zone, is

1087
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:13,559
gonna be pay per view? It
will not be pay per view. This

1088
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,320
will be a live The Zone fight
as part of your regular subscription. Ryan

1089
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:21,000
Garcia against most likely Duarte, campus
still maybe has an outside shot they get

1090
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,639
the fight, but whatever, they're
very similar. I would have no problem

1091
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,880
if he fights either one of those
guys. They're both very respectable opponents coming

1092
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,920
off a knockout loss in his first
fight with a new trainer, but December

1093
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,119
second, so mark that down.
And again you also mentioned what is it

1094
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:36,800
in a couple of weeks they have
the mediation trying to work out the deal

1095
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,559
with Oscar Dale La Joya with Golden
Boy. Can't we all get along for

1096
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,039
at least one more fight. They're
trying to work through that, and then

1097
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:47,320
we're right, that's that's gonna be. I believe the mediation that they're supposed

1098
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,199
to have is off the top of
my head. I want to say it's

1099
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:54,199
like October eighteenth or something along those
lines. So it's going to be in

1100
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,320
the next two or three weeks.
But they have committed. I mean,

1101
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,239
look, I have to give them
all credit. I mean, they're they've

1102
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:02,880
been going at each other, they
don't like each other, but they all

1103
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,079
both realize they need each other.
You keep saying that, and we under

1104
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:10,119
this moment in time because Ryan is
not going to fight without them for the

1105
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:12,599
time being, and he wants to
be back in the ring, and Golden

1106
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,159
Boy needs him because he's their number
one money maker and their biggest guy,

1107
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:19,559
and they have they have a contract
they say with him that they're getting that

1108
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:23,639
they want the court to uphold.
So while they go through this whole process,

1109
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,840
you know, it's what's the old
say. You'll hold your nose and

1110
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,079
do your business, all right?
You and I are both getting groggy fatigue.

1111
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,000
At least I am here at this
point late Sunday as we released the

1112
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:41,000
podcast into Monday nostalgia time. It
was forty eight years ago on October first,

1113
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:46,119
nineteen seventy five, the Thrilla in
Manila arguably the most noteworthy. You

1114
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:51,760
could argue that the Ali win over
four men, maybe you was as significant.

1115
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:56,400
But what a war. The Thrill
in Manila, the third fight with

1116
01:06:56,519 --> 01:07:01,239
Joe Frazier eventually won by Ali.
When Frey your quit on the stool after

1117
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:06,079
such an epic battle, Manila,
Philippines, forty eight years ago on Sunday,

1118
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:10,960
as we tape this October first,
nineteen seventy five, I cannot let

1119
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,000
you get away with saying that Joe
Frasier quit. The great Eddie Futch stopped

1120
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,519
that fight above Joe, Joe would
never have quit in a million years.

1121
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,800
That was not Joe Frasier, but
Eddie, Eddie we learned, we learned

1122
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:27,239
much later, revealed much later,
decades later, that Frasier was blind in

1123
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,679
the one eye which they had been
hiding forever, and the other eye was

1124
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:32,760
swollen shut. And so yes,
Eddie Futch said, I can't let him

1125
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,800
go get hit anymore. He's been
hit the last two rounds and he can't

1126
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:42,480
see any punches. But go on
continue. I view that fight the thrilling

1127
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:45,599
Manila as I mean, it's a
great all time fight for sure. If

1128
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:48,559
you like action heavyweight fights and just
hard hitting fights, that's for you for

1129
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:53,400
sure. I call it the most
savage heavyweight fight going because you know they

1130
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,639
talk about how you know, Albi
says it's the closest to death they ever

1131
01:07:56,679 --> 01:07:59,559
came, you know, when he
was still alive of course, talking about

1132
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:01,360
that fight what it meant. And
obviously Joe Joe went to the hospital and

1133
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,039
was as you mentioned, blind in
one eye, and you know, they

1134
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:08,480
they they almost killed each other that
that that in that fight. You know,

1135
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,119
I've I've talked to Bob Aram about
that fight because he was the promoter

1136
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:16,600
of that fight. Uh and and
he has marveled at it it's an extraordinary

1137
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:21,239
heavyweight fight. It's not as I
mean, it was significant because it was

1138
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:26,239
for the the at the time,
you know, the undisputed title to two

1139
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,560
weight you know, the two belts, the w BA and the WBC,

1140
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,119
which is a big deal. For
the heavyweight championship that Ali held. It

1141
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:35,560
was a big deal because they were
one and one in their first two fights,

1142
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,720
and it was the trilogy fight.
H So you know, as it

1143
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,279
has been described, they were not
just fighting for the championship of the world.

1144
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:45,479
They were fighting for the championship of
each other. Uh. You knows

1145
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,720
as the greatest rivals. I mean, if you talk about rivalries and boxing,

1146
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:51,720
there's Ali Frazier and then everything else
is not even on the same level.

1147
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,399
That's the biggest rivalry in this history. And this was what you know

1148
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,279
that this is what uh you know, who was going to win this fight

1149
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:02,119
was gonna win the rivalry and phenomenal
fight. Now, the first fight that

1150
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:06,439
they had in New York City,
which was when Joe was the champion,

1151
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,800
but Ali was the lineal champion because
he had not lost the title in the

1152
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,640
ring. He had been stripped of
the title when he declined to be inducted

1153
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,600
into the army under his religious beliefs
and in box for three and a half

1154
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,479
years because he was suspended. So
that was one of the biggest sports events

1155
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,439
in the history of sports, certainly
of the twentieth century. And it was

1156
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,760
also a terrific fight and Joe won
that fight. But that was the biggest

1157
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,239
event, but in terms of the
better fight. Look, they were both

1158
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,560
older at that time. They couldn't
get out of the way. I mean,

1159
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,760
one of the great traits of Mohammad
Ali was his speed was remarkable.

1160
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:41,039
I mean, the legs and the
hand speed were just tremendous. By the

1161
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:44,680
time they got to Manila, you
know, Mohammed couldn't really move much anymore.

1162
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:45,800
I mean, that's just the way
that it happens in heavyweight boxing.

1163
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:50,239
Should we should share, we should
share. It was blazing hot even in

1164
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:54,560
October and Manila, and in the
arena it was believed to be over one

1165
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,880
hundred degrees with people packed in plus
the TV lights. They were fighting in

1166
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,800
the morning time in the Philippines because
it was the night before late night closed

1167
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,680
circuit in the United States. And
that's part of what you were talking about

1168
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:11,159
about, the near death part of
it is both these guys were suffering not

1169
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:16,600
only from the punches but heat,
exhaustion, dehydration. Ali very famously is

1170
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,880
sitting in a seated position with his
legs out on the ground with him fanning

1171
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:26,079
him after he won the fight because
he is in some part of heat related

1172
01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:30,800
illness. After this fight is I
always I just keep going back to the

1173
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,279
quote that Ali said about it.
You know, the closest the death he's

1174
01:10:34,279 --> 01:10:38,119
ever been. I mean, that's
the kind of fight this was. It's

1175
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:42,399
it is, without question, one
of the two most famous boxing matches in

1176
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:45,600
the history of the sport when it
comes to the I'm not talking about most

1177
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,720
significant or the best or this or
that, but just in terms of in

1178
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,159
folklore, it's the Thrilla in Manila
and the Rumbull in the Jungle, partly

1179
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:56,159
because of the fancy names that they
had, you know, in the catchy

1180
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,199
names, and it was Ali,
it was aid coming up with those names.

1181
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:01,439
Heavyweight haampionship fights, both of them. Well, well, remember remember

1182
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,520
one other point of this, and
then we're gonna move on the nostalgia the

1183
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,039
name. You know that you know
the lineage of the name and how he

1184
01:11:06,079 --> 01:11:12,800
came up with it because he was
constantly making fun of George Foreman, I'm

1185
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,920
sorry of Joe Fraser and calling him
a gorilla that you don't say it's going

1186
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:24,279
to be a thriller and in Manilla, yes, And so it got to

1187
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:27,880
the point where he kept calling him
gorilla, kept doing it on ABC,

1188
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:31,960
and then he would bring a rubber
toy gorilla and start punching the gorilla in

1189
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:38,039
press conferences or on network TV.
And so then he made the big famous

1190
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:43,199
poem Ali always famous about thrilla in
Manila, when I put it on the

1191
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:47,039
gorilla and he's punching the gorilla.
There's video, there's film of this of

1192
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:50,960
him doing it over and over again, getting under Fraser's skin. And that's

1193
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,439
where the name came from. And
you're right, we know it because of

1194
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,960
the names, the nicknames that Ali
had for these different fights and for what

1195
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,960
happened. And that was forty eight
years ago. By the way, Ali

1196
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:05,319
fought on after that, and he
defended the title of several more times.

1197
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,720
Uh probably should have lost when he
had the third fight with Kenny Norton in

1198
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,680
their in their in their fight in
nineteen seventy six, spot a couple more

1199
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,840
after that then finally lost the Spinx
and then petered out, of course with

1200
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,560
the last you know, a couple
of fights against Holmes and Trevor Berbick.

1201
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,600
But oom, pooh pooh it because
I was just in the Superdome Sunday with

1202
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:25,199
the Buccaneers. He got the title
back against Leon Spinks and became the first

1203
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:29,560
man to ever regain and was tremendous. Say what you want about Spins not

1204
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,399
trained, maybe as hard at being
a limited fighter. I'minus that night and

1205
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:39,159
there was a ton of interest and
ninety million people watched. But you're right,

1206
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I mean he was not the same
and Joe Frazier wasn't that the same

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01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,640
after the thrilling Mon prominently would have
been better best served for the remainder of

1208
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,640
his life had he retired after Manila. Sure and Frazier who took an even

1209
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,920
worse beating in that fight than than
Ali did. I mean they both took

1210
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:57,920
beatings. He came back and fought
seven eight months later, and he got

1211
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,079
knocked out again in the rematch against
George Foreman, and then he was off

1212
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:03,960
for like another four years. He
came back and had a draw with Floyd

1213
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:06,920
Jumbo Cummings in nineteen eighty one,
and that's all she wrote. So in

1214
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:13,199
essence, the Ali three was the
end of Georgia of Joe's career, because

1215
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:16,079
he had the blowout against Foreman,
and he had one more fight that was

1216
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:19,760
you know, years later for no
reason apparently, and so that it not

1217
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:25,039
only marked to me, it marked
the end of the of the real careers

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01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:29,000
of both guys fought. But he
was done, and same with Joe.

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But a great, great fight and
one more piece of nostalgia. Let's do

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it quickly because we're late, late, and we've been going for a while.

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It was twenty six years ago on
Wednesday, October the fourth, nineteen

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01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,439
ninety seven, a Lennox Lewis heavyweight
title double header with also Arturo Gatti.

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,359
And whenever I say that name,
your eyes light up on the same card,

1224
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,000
on the same show. Give me
more quick nostalgia, real quick.

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01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:56,279
So this was Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic
City, where many of the biggest fights

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01:13:56,319 --> 01:14:00,319
in Lenox City have taken place.
Lenox was the WBC champion and he took

1227
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:02,760
on Andrew Glatte. It was perceived
as a dangerous fight. Glatta had done,

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01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:05,800
you know, he had done well
against Riddick bow. Obviously that was

1229
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,640
where he made his name, even
though he got disqualified, and as Lennox

1230
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,600
talked about it in the build up, his objective was to get rid of

1231
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:17,079
all the misfits in boxing, and
he considered Andrew Glatta with those those disqualifications

1232
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:20,159
to be, uh you know,
quote unquote a misfit, and he defended

1233
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:25,079
the title. Now, the reason
I say that is because in the previous

1234
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:29,359
fight he had had to fight against
the mandatory Henry Akinwanda, where akin Wanda

1235
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,039
was disqualified for constant holding. So
he declared him a misfit because he was

1236
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:35,439
petrified to fight Lennox. The fight
before that was his rematch where he had

1237
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:40,439
regained the WBC belt against the vacant
title, but he had lost it to

1238
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,319
Oliver mccaudy. Were fighting now for
the vacant title, and Oliver mccaull of

1239
01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:45,359
course had the nervous breakdown and started
crying in the fight. He consider him

1240
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:49,000
a misfit. So now he's fighting
his third misfit in a row, McCall

1241
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:54,359
acin Wanda, and now Andrew Glatta. And and Andrew Glatta he started him

1242
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:58,439
in the first round and it was
one of the most spectacular performances that Lennox

1243
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,640
has had against you know, a
quality contender at that time. You know,

1244
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,399
Andrew Glotta went on to quit and
lose a bunch of other fights,

1245
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:09,119
but going into the fight with Lennox, he was still a talented fighter,

1246
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,079
still somewhat in his prime, and
a big puncher and perceived to have a

1247
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:17,479
good chin because he had taken hilatious
punches from Rick Bow his only losses he

1248
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,840
was twenty eight and two against Lenox, where the two d q's against Bow.

1249
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:24,600
So for him to go out there
and get rid of this dude in

1250
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,279
one round, he got a lot
of credit for that victory. But the

1251
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,840
biggest thing for me anyway, I
mean, yeah, that's a heavyweight WBC

1252
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,319
panal, fair enough, that's a
big deal. But on the undercard and

1253
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:36,720
the co feature, you had what
turned out to be the final one hundred

1254
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:42,000
thirty pound title defense of Artaro Gotti, where he knocked out Gabriel Rowellis in

1255
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:45,520
the fifth round of what was the
nineteen ninety seven fight of the year,

1256
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:50,319
which was an absolutely spectacular fight,
as great as any you know, maybe

1257
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:54,520
it's not the mickey word fight,
but when you think about the great Artaro

1258
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,920
Gotti fights. He's got about half
a dozen to seven or eight great fights,

1259
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,359
and this is definitely one of them
where he came back if he was

1260
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,760
you know, it's like the old
saying when Gaddy's almost knocked out, he's

1261
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,439
right where he wants to be,
because he came back and scored his spectacular

1262
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:13,159
victory. It was I want everybody
to go wash the fight that they've ever

1263
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:15,000
seen it because it is jump out
of your seat kind of shit. I

1264
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,359
mean he was. Gaddy was in
bad shape in the fourth round. Roellis

1265
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:23,159
was in a bad shape in the
fourth round, and he finally clipped him.

1266
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:25,760
And remember Roellis, who had been
involved in a fight where his opponent

1267
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,560
Jimmy Garcia, had passed away,
hadn't really been the same. And the

1268
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:33,239
general consensus was he actually had come
all the way back in this performance against

1269
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:36,520
Gatty because even though he lost,
he fought with that same sort of let

1270
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:41,079
me go get this guy kind of
attitude and it was just a brilliant fight.

1271
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:44,159
And then of course Gaddy after that
he vacated and moved up to the

1272
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:45,920
one hundred thirty five pound weight class. But it was picked as the ring

1273
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,880
Magazine. Fight of the Year was
picked as the ring magazine knocked out of

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01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,399
the Year. A lot of people
called it the fight of the year.

1275
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:56,399
Just a sensational, sensational fight.
Love it on all fronts. Man,

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,680
We have given you a ton great
stuff here with you getting back from Vegas

1277
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:03,600
as we taped this Sunday night into
Monday and put the podcast out on the

1278
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,520
Canelo win and what might be next
for him. We gave you recaps of

1279
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,439
that card, we gave you fight
news, we gave you nostalgia. I

1280
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,760
think I'm about done for a week. I've been in New Orleans, I've

1281
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,399
been traveling. My Buccaneers got the
win again. I think we're about done.

1282
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,920
We gotta put the podcast out and
embark on another week here in a

1283
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,439
new month, the month of October. And I'll just I'll give a little

1284
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,560
tease. I mean, I don't
know when, which exact dates we're gonna

1285
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,880
run that. We've got some we
got two really good interviews in the can

1286
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,680
ready to go for upcoming episodes.
I'll give a little tease on We've got

1287
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,119
a ten Zoo interview. Ye that
that was done prior to Charlot losing,

1288
01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:38,279
so at that moment, it was
not clear about help me Zoo. Fight

1289
01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:42,199
week is two weeks from the week
of the next next week, so that's

1290
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:44,960
the tim Zoo interview has got to
be coming soon. And then exactly against

1291
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,039
bre Mendoza. And then at the
end of October is Amanda Serranto was defending

1292
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,479
her her title. And remember that
was the fight where they worked out with

1293
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,840
the Florida Commission to make it a
women's match to be twelve rounds and for

1294
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,600
the rounds to be three minutes.
So I had an interview with Amanda and

1295
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,560
we talked about a lot about that. So we have those two interviews coming

1296
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:01,279
up, and I'm working on a
couple other things. We're gonna try to

1297
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,359
get wrapped up. Always he's always
working, he's always out there. You

1298
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:08,359
are who you are. Great job
with this, Dan ray Feel. We

1299
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:11,560
appreciate it as always. Have a
great week. We'll be talking to you

1300
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,720
later in the week on the Big
Fight we can preeview, we'll read you

1301
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,840
on your substack and also on Big
Fight Weekend dot com. Thank you,

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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,399
my friend. I'm a man.
There is the one and only Dan Ray

1303
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,840
Feel. I'm merely t J Reeves
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1304
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,560
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1305
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,439
We come off the weekend with the
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1306
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,640
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1307
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,880
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