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The following is a presentation of play
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Well, hello and good evening.
It is Thursday, July thirteen,

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twenty twenty three. Welcome to the
only show about Spartan Dogs hosted by Spartan

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Dogs. This is sparta in Man
Shoot. I'm your host. Jason Straighthorn

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played back in the Purlsten Saving era
as a center the team captain. Couldn't

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do this without my two dogs to
the fight. The Boss, Oldest Wiley,

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a hard hitting ball hawking safety and
ju Choo Choo cult crit just holds

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a single season touchdown record for Michigan
State. A couple of tunnies like twenty

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one or so. But if this
is your first time, we welcome you,

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and if this is not your first
time, we want to thank you.

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Don't forget to go to the Live
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of him as you fellas what's happening
man? Look, I see Chow was

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in rare form. When he has
a code on like that prime for a

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great show. You are you are? I mean it's almost like what was

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the precursor. Did you have some
debvies before you got on, because you

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always in that little let's just say
a little work of But this is my

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straight coat. This is a Jason
coach. When I put out this coat

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and put it on, it's like
this is something straight would where you know,

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yeah, buddy, and we're we're
talking about it. Like I said,

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you know, I like North Carolina. I would have gotten say that

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Roy Williams. You got that Royal
guys, they got that that blue that

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makes my skin pop. Yeah,
I like to you kind of glowing right

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there. You know what color pants
you got on? Bro? I got

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some Navy boys on blue Castila.
In the fashion world, it's called color

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matching. Color, Yeah, this
color matching. We got a jam Pack

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show. We got a few guests
on the show, you know, special

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guests. We've got a quarterback on
the show right now, guys. And

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but before we get into all of
that, Big ten Media Day is coming

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up down in Indianapolis July twenty six
to twenty seven. We've got Coach Tucker's

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going with j D to playing Trade
Moseley and Cal Halliday. Yeah, yeah,

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great time, great time in Chica. I go that like you felt

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like when you got invited to go
to Big ten media, you felt like

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you bab on the team when you're
there. And uh so now I'm just

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hoping the boss man Otis can get
straight. You and I we can,

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you know, you know, go
and be in the press at media day.

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I'll deep those pockets you got,
man, let me hold us there.

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We signed billions of dollars of media
deals. We still can't we we

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don't have any money. I don't
know. Five broke right, broke broke,

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Yeah, you know media meeting days, like remember, I feel like

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the Big ten, like the network
had just like when we were playing,

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it had just came. Y'all were
the first. I feel like y'a were

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the first. Yeah, and then
me and Hoyer and Javan. I believe

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with that two thousand and eight year. But I do remember that that that

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commercial. I wish we pulled that
up. We did that commercial where I

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was like, yeah, we got
yeah. Somehow I couldn't get right,

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man, I couldn't. I kept
smiling and laughing because I couldn't get serious.

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I was like, just really play
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stadium one game day and everything like
that. That's like one of the first

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times and everything that was that was
really cool. That's where you guys were.

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They started playing three players because it
was only like two offense defense.

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That was it. Yeah, and
you had to be skilled player. No,

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no, no, guys, no
trenches man. That's that's why I

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was like I discovered. I was
like, oh, they do fake they

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do fake sweat, they spray you
and like you talk, it made you

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run, yeah, man. Also
speaking of Trade Moseley, Trede Moseley was

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nominated for the AFC A Good Works
Team. Yeah, buddy, look this

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man we already know Trade Like Trade
is that guy. Man, He's one

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of those guys that I mean,
we talked, we had tyroll. You

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know. He was saying, Hey, I look up to Trey. Uh

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he's a guy that's gonna follow up
suit and looks like we're having some complications

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here. Oh yeah good. Oh
it was me. Then it's not bad.

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Um, yeah it's me. So
you know, Trady's a guy that

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that that is a stand up.
He's an epitome of what a Spartan dogar

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is a current player. Uh,
he's a well rounded student athlete. And

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so they called from the OG so
it's good to see that he's representing us

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well, along with JD the Plane
and our boy the body Man, Kyle

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Holliday. So it's gonna be looking
forward. Hopefully we are there. We

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hopefully we're there. But I went
last year briefly. It's a different vibe

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at Lucas Oil Indianapolis, Like it's
very it's on the field like it brings

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PTSD because the combine, like when
you walk in there, it's kind of

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like wide hoping um. But it's
at the Indianapolis Lucas Oil Stadium and it's

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very big, wide open. It's
very not as intimate as it used to

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be, but it's a good atmosphere. You got the guys going in and

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out um, and it's crazy seeing
all the different personalities of the coaches when

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they had their time to go to
media and you kind of see like who's

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the big dogs and who's kind of
like the t middle tier. But it's

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really an exciting thing. Hopefully we
get to go down there. And my

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loss or is old is still talking
about media Day and we're talking about no

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I was talking about Trey Moseley.
I'm talking about trade Mosley being a representation

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now I'm saying, yeah, like
I didn't because you said your feet was

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I was like, I know,
no, No, you're right on time

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to don't worry about it. Man, we got Yeah. You know that's

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the American Football's Coaches Association. Yeah, those who don't know and that,

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you know, that's a that's a
big honor. Um, you know,

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good, good for Trey. And
you guys all know this last year,

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I was a Trey Moseley guy.
You know, I said, he's that

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sneaky player, especially that receiver,
especially when you get in the red zone.

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You know, he's gonna be that
guy saying you're not You're not a

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Trey Mosa guy. This year,
I'm saying what I'm saying as Ross Perot

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said in the ninety two debates,
And yes, but you know what I

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said about you know, he was
gonna be that guy in the red zone.

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So this year now he's gonna have
to put that cape on. He's

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gonna have to be that guy,
the every down guy. He's going to

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be that number one receiver, and
someone else is gonna have to pop up

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to be that tune three. So
um, you know I'm excited for that.

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I'm excited for what Trey breaks the
table and he's a he's a hell

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of a hell of a representation for
Spartan Nation. Great guy, great kid,

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all the way, great family,
just just all around just a class

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act on and off the field.
Trey Mose congratulations for that. May see

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him in Indianapolis. So keep working
on adhotis right. But look, we

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got an All Big Ten coach at
Michigan State on the football staff. Two

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for US seven Sports rated the All
Big Ten's preseason coaching staff honors and I

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went to coach Cap for the offensive
line villas. Yeah, that's that's really

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big. That's really big. You
know, Coach Cap has been the mastermind

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behind a lot of like this.
You know, everyone gives you know,

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K nine a lot of that,
those accolades and everything, but I'm sure

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K nine will be the first one. And you know you talk to you

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know running backs, you know,
you talk. We had Lorenzo on the

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show, We had Javon on the
show. Um and myself as a running

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it can't be done without the offensive
line and what he's doing, what he

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did last even last year. You
had Corey from two four seven Sports.

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He said, last year's offensive line
was better than when K nine was there.

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You know, it's just that growth
in the matturation process that this offensive

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line is halving year in and year
out. So it's gonna be really exciting

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to see and uh, the big
sumbreros on the offensive line this year,

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Coach Cap, you know preseason,
you know all big ten, the big

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sumbreros on the offensive line. Now
can they produce straight? What do you

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what do you feel when you see
that being alignement form alignment? And then

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you know with our future as an
offensive linement and your two boys, and

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I'm putting that in there too,
like, what do you see when you

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see this news? I mean,
I'm I'm happy about it obviously, you

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know you see Coach Cap, I
mean, a couple of springs ago,

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if you guys can remember, he
didn't have many guys, didn't have enough

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guys to field a team. That's
why they couldn't do the scrimmage format,

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the true game format, because I
think there was only like three or four

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offensive linemen, which is hell on
guys, you know when you're going through

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spring drills. Now he's built that
room up to about nineteen players on that

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offensive line. In camp, you
know in any given day, the quality

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of athlete that he's able to track. Now, obviously he's got his resume

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speaks for itself talking about coach Kap, but he's now getting the guys that

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can play at a high level.
Everybody seems to be six six and above.

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I mean the whole team. I
think you know, we had Keyshan

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blackstock on and he was he's six
fives. He's like one of the shorter

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guys. Now, you know JD. De Plaine, Nick Saymac guys that

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are six year guys coming back.
I think they've got a good, strong

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nucleus of guys plus running back that
running back room. You know, you

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know your boy Nate Carter too is
going to be back there as a leader

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along with Burger. It's it's to
me, look, man, I mean

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this is this is setting up to
be there. They're a sneaky good team.

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And you know, a year ago
we talked to different players and they

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said, we're going to go as
far as the offensive line takes us.

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And that's true with just about any
team on the planet. If the offensive

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line is has is good and they
have that continuity because that's what they have

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to work on in the off season. You know he heard uh Tony Lippett

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too a couple of days ago talking
about how much they worked off the field

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without coaches. You have to have
that kind of chemistry in order to be

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able to play the game at a
high level very fast. The preseason isn't

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that long. Camp isn't that long. You don't have a lot of two

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of days, so you have to
get it in now. So hopefully they're

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doing that, and I'm I'm like
looking forward to see what they produced this

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year on that offensive line because you
know, as they go, you're gonna

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see a lot of points being scored. If they're not going, it's gonna

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be really bad in a long season. Be a long Season's right? YEA,

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our job too long, boy,
I tell you that too. Did

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you ever I obviously being your teammate, did you ever give gifts buy gifts

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for the officsive line in college?
In college? Um? Yeah, what

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I I didn't buy gifts. What
I did was after every win, I

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would have a handwritten thank you note
to each offensive lineman and put in their

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locker. Uh So when on Sundays, yes Sundays, when we go to

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meeting, I would go in early
put a hand I had a handwritten thank

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you note and put in each offensive
lineman locker, I ain't got, I

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don't have, and I owe money
to be getting give man. How nice

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is that? That's thoughtful? Yeah, but you gotta called sendor Gerva put

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no not in my damn was it
was? It the same message? It

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was was it catered to each player. It was to each player. And

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you know, the funny thing about
our offensive line is like, and you

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know, you got guys like Jesse
Miller, Roland Martin. I'm looking in

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my senior year when I had you
know, the touchdown wreck, you know,

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because like we had the black side
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had a racial line like it was. It was a slang and proper English,

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you know, it had like and
so we had Pete Clifford on one

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he was the pet Cliford's the left
tackle, and then we had another white

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guy as the guard, and then
John Masters was the center, and then

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on that side we had Jesse Roland
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Martin and Millard Martin and Miller.
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That's that's funny. You have a
mixed ga in the middle of you gotta

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have a mixed kid in the middle
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I had handwritten thank you notes that
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after every wind Man. You are
a stand up guy. Okay, you

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know what I try to be.
You know anybody? Oh my goodness.

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Moving on, Look, guys,
it's time to bring on the president elect

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of the oldest college association coach association
in the nation. This is the oldest

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one at Michigan State since nineteen forty
six, the MSU Downtown Coaches Club that

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has Harry and Dean. That's the
president here and how are you doing?

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Thank you, welcome back. I
should say you sorry, just because you're

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on here right now doesn't mean you
don't give a like Sure, as soon

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as I've gone, I'll go in
and do a lot licam subscribe. This

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is a great time for that.
Thank you. Don't forget to Liam subscribe

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on the show. Thank so.
Harriet. You have an upcoming event for

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the Spartan Football Barbecue. We do. We have a barbecue coming up on

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Thursday, the twenty seventh of July, and it's going to be at the

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Duffy Doherty Football Center inside of the
practice field. And this is an extremely

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unique event because I don't know anywhere
in the country where you can join the

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Booster Club, which is thirty six
bucks. Thirty six bucks, and then

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you can pay twenty five dollars and
have a barbecue with the entire coaching staff,

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with the entire football team and the
other club members. I mean,

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this is this is once in a
lifetime activity. You know, it's going

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to be fantastic. So we would
really love it if the folks that are

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listening to our podcast here would join
us. And I want to tell you

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there have been the Downtown Coaches Club
every year awards the outstanding offensive, defensive

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and Special Teams player, and that
award has been in place since nineteen seventy

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five. And like, for instance, on the special teams, guys like

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Kyler Allsworth, like Keshan Martin,
Matt Coughlin, Mike Sandler. On the

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offensive side, Lorenzo White, Tico
Duckett, Kirk Cousins, Drew Stanton,

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Brian Hoyer, who you're gonna hear
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we gonna shout out for the offense. I got it. It was a

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den to that. In addition,
to hey. On the defensive side,

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we have our own old as Wiley
Coaches Club really pays attention looks at these

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guys. But this barbecue is going
to be fantastic. I don't I don't

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even know how well to describe it. Coach Tucker is gonna say a few

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words, some players are gonna say
some words. Saddleback barbecue is catering.

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How can you go wrong with them? So it's gonna be a great event.

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Yeah, Harry, we used to
have the barbecue and it had to

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and did it just stopped like because
there was some stuff like ISA or something

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like that. It stopped. We
stopped doing it for a while, and

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then it's now be getting picked back
up exactly. Part of the reason it

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stopped was because it really depends on
the head coach and Nick Saban actually came

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up with the idea. And you
know, everybody thinks he's such a rough,

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tough guy and he's all business,
but he came up with the idea

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doing this barbecue. So we did
the first one with him, and then

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John l picked it up, and
then coach he picked it up for a

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while and it just sort of went
on the wayside for a while, but

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we are bringing it back and hopefully
it's gonna be a ongoing annual event.

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I gotta hand it to Darien Harris. That guy, he's amazing. He

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has done yeoman's duty to help make
this thing happen, and my fellow board

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members have made this happen. We're
gonna have three hundred people there, but

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you know, one hundred and fifty
of them are staff and players. The

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players aren't gonna eat it like their
own table. They're gonna mix and mingle

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and eat with the eat with us, you know, lowly fans. So

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it's gonna be really great and I'm
really excited about it. Yeah that you

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know the Downtown Coaches Club, you
know, it holds a special spot to

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me because you know there's that Downtown
coaches called lunching on a Friday or our

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Thursday if you're having away game and
when you're selected to go to that Downtown

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Coaches Club luncheon, it really it's
a it's a special you know invite.

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It means a little something extra t
one. You get a great lunch.

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You know, you know black in
college there, so um, but you

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know it's a really cool thing.
It means you're like, you really like

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a part of you know, Spartan
Nation, and you know, like Jason

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Um stated and Harry said, it
is the oldest coaches association in the country

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and it's something that's really special.
So Harry, the question for you,

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as you know people that are listening, how if you're not a member of

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the Downtown Coaches Club want what do
you have to do to be a member?

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And two? How do you be
a member and sign up for this

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event? Great question. All you
have to do is go into your favorite

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browser and put in Downtown Coaches Club
and it will take you directly to our

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homepage and there's gonna be a pop
up box right away that's going to talk

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about the barbecue, and you click
on that. You can do one transaction

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where you join the club either as
an individual for thirty six dollars or as

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a family, and then you can
choose your to add the barbecue right on

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there. It'll total everything up.
You pop your credit card in and the

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way we go and you are a
member. You can come not only to

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the barbecue, but you could come
to our luncheons this fall. We're also

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going to do some happy hours.
We do most of ours at Reno's Reno's

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East, which is where the radio
show is. The first happy hour is

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going to be before the radio show. Everybody can come and have a couple

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of drinks, say hi to Coach
Tucker, and then boom we're going on

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in. Everybody going in the radio
show. So it's really easy to join,

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it's easy to be a part of
things, and we would love to

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have Henny Spartan. There is also
a what we call a remote membership,

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which is twenty bucks, and that's
for people who live out of state and

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can't come to things, but they
still want to be a part of the

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club. One hundred percent of the
proceeds that we draw in goes to very

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small operating costs. The rest goes
back to support the Spartan football program and

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players. We're trying to support Nil. We're trying to support in any way

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that the head coach or his staff
says, hey, can you help us

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out with this? Can you help
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everything we can and we would love
to have you join it. Love it,

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Harriet. You know dt ncoaches dot
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So DTN I don't know if we
can put that up for everyone, and

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look, thank you for coming on
and telling us about this fantastic event.

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You know, we might crash the
party. Yeah, I think that,

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you know, we might have a
little this Sparta party of it there with

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all those spart dogs and the fans
from the downtown Coaches Club. That'll be

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fun. Love to have y'all,
even buy your dinner. Love it does

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start? When is what? When
does your you know we say your president

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elect? When do you I'm doing
it? This is it? Yeah,

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yeah, look, no better person
to lead this than Harriet Dean and we

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look, I'm excited for you,
Harriet. Thank you, appreciate it.

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I'll get in that chat because they're
listening it all right, guys, look

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We'll be back with our special guests. The quarterback comes up next after this

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message from our friends over, I
put a smile on your plate with new

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pancake tacos, because when you fuld
a pancake and a half, if you

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get a taco or in this case
three for six dollars, try all four

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flavors here for a fun time,
not a long time. Only from eye

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hoop. I've found a lot of
the things that they are you doing using

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you're having a fan and check themselves
sometimes. I just remember, pride comes

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before the phone. Pride comes before
in the phone, and they can burn

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again on the third now only five
to gold this time by your another strength,

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burst down and much more. Where
are what? Try to bring away?

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Harrison the only man to kitch him
in Brandon Wall chucks down, put

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the partons inside the pot by daddy, get around and touchdown. Charlie gave

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him the tight apter. Man,
I'm touchdown and to go back to the

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game and Josh russ Wine open running
till after. Oh my gosh, who's

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going to get the Goose boys right
now? Brian Oyer joins, this is

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smart. How are you doing,
Brian? I'm great, guys, thanks

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for having me. Oh man,
thank you. And I was waiting to

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go to back to training camp next
week, but I'm ready to go right

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now. After that video plays,
look man like so that that right there,

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that moment you know you're coming off
of that two thousand and seven season,

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after that comeback win for the school
down the road, which D'Antonio makes

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that statement, you know, pride
comes before the fall. They better checked

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themselves. And then you start this. You know, we hadn't won the

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Paul Bunyan Trophy for about seven years. I think it was a seven year

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drought. You started a trend that
you know, I think went on for

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about a decade. How did that
feel. Talk about the moments leading up

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that year going into your last game
against Michigan. Yeah, I mean,

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we all did it. We had
an incredible game that game. I remember

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the year before, how how tough
that one was. You know when coach

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D'Antonio made those comments after that game
my junior year, Um, you know

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that was a heartbreaking loss, and
I think it kind of set the tone,

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you know for the program going forward
because we played well after that game,

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and then next year we played well, and you know for my senior

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year to go down to Ann Arbor
and beat them in their place, that

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was huge. I mean that,
you know, I wish I would have

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had some bigger games to say,
you know, those were the most important

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games to me, you know,
winning bowl games but beating them my senior

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year with that group of guys that
you know, we had been through a

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lot um you know, Odyssey year, you're going to meet Jau a year

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older than me, but you know, we went through some tough times and

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to you know, start that on
the right the right track and then to

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see what you know, years later, you know it became was with something

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special. Yeah, man, it
absolutely was something special. Uh And you

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know, like you know, Jason
stated, you know at that leading the

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you know, starting off with that, you know that trend for those wins

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for a decade. So you talked
about, you know, it's a heartbreaking

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loss. What wasn't like that week
going into you know, you're going into

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their territory now after the comment was
made of little brother and everything like that,

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what was that week eating too?
That Michigan game? Like, well,

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I think otis you were there.
I mean, I think we were

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just super focused. I think it
was you know, that was the year

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to get it done and it was
going to their place. And I think

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we felt like we we owed him
from the year before because we had him

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beat the year before and you know, coached Antonio saying that, I mean

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obviously we don't like them. They
don't like us, and they've always tried

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to treat us like the little brother, and you know, so it was

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good to go down there and beat
them in their place. And and you

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know, like I said, start
that trend. So when now that I've

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been in the NFL, when I'm
walking around guys from from that school,

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I got some you know, a
lot of talk and you know, trashed

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them and one big bet with my
buddy who played quarterback down there, you

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know, years before Tom Brady had
him wearing some Michigan state gear over the

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year. So it's all good.
Yeah, Brian, you you you you

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I remember, man, like I
still get tals. I'm kind of like

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species because when I remember that pre
game and we were in the we were

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lined up on the end of the
back end zone and they were on their

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sideline and it was like national anthem, and I just remember like it was

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not like you know, everybody's like
focus looking at the flag, like we

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were looking straight at them and it
was looking at us, and it was

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like it was about to be a
brawl, Like it was that intense,

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man and then just the swag and
like the poise, you know, I'm

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looking at the highlights and like your
play action game was like smooth, bro

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like, but like we talked about, just you or you duck back there

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and you don't know if you handed
it off or not, and then you

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get a little swag with it and
that bullet passed too man, and so

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yeah, that helps. We have
a great running game like we did.

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Remember Javon's run, you know right
before how I just remember, you know,

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we were just kind of going to
run the clock out and we hand

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like a power to the left and
javan breaks free and then it was you

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know, he showed off his speed. They couldn't catch him. And I

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remember going in the locker room and
like this is you know, we needed

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that and uh we took that momentum
and never gave it back. Absolutely,

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absolutely, Yeah, Brian, You're
you are a testament. Like you know

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they talk about, you know,
your former teammate Tom Brady being a fountain

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of youth. You are a testament
of the fountain of youth. You've been

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in fifteen years bro in the league, you know, playing at a tough

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position as well, and uh,
you didn't always have it easy. You

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came into me, you had to
work for everything that you had and if

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we have a picture of this,
we can't. You came in to Michigan,

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say you're behind Drew Stanton, Drew
us a guy you know at Michigan

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State. And then you came in
like quarterback. Look at this running backs,

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this quarterbacks from right here. You
have Nick Fools, you have Kirk

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Cousins, you have Connor Dixon,
John Van Dame, Clay Charles A.

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K A. Spuds. You know, like you had, you had some

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dudes, you know in that quarterbacks
room. What you know, like what

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did Drew teach you, you know, being his understudy, and you know

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what did that perseverance teach you to
compete every day? Because that quarterback's rooms,

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there's the guys that play in the
league. Yeah, I mean,

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look, my experience at Michigan State
taught me a lot about perseverance, handling

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tough times, learning from great people, you know, great coaches, great

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players, not obviously not just in
my quarterback room, but just in general.

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I mean, you look at I
was kind of getting prepared for this

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and looking back at the rosters of
guys that we play. I mean,

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we sent a ton of guys to
the NFL got a ton of guys play,

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you know, training camps, all
those things, and you know we

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couldn't always quite pieces together, but
you know, it always it always taught

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me something about persevering and grinding through. Like I remember my first three years

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were rough. You know, we
didn't win very many games. And you

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know, I also look at like
in today's day and age, like a

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transfer portal and all that stuff,
like we didn't have that luxury. You

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had to like fight for it.
And that taught me a lot and it's

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what got me through for fifteen years
in the NFL. I haven't had it

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easy. You know, I've been
cut, traded, you know, all

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those things. When it goes back
to it, like you know, those

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those lessons you learn, you know, as a young kid trying to just

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figure it out in East Lansing and
trying to make a spot on the team

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and learn from other guys, like
you know, prepared me for the ups

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and downs, because the reality is
football is a bunch of ups and downs,

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and you know, it's a very
humbling game. And you could think

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you're on top and then the next
week and it canna be your day.

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And that's just the way it goes
and I think, you know, I

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learned that, you know, through
some tough times at Michigan State, and

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you know it's invaluable to me.
I really believe I wouldn't you know,

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have had the career in the NFL
that I've had if it wasn't for you

408
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.519
know, learning how to deal with
that adversity. Man. You know,

409
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.599
there's a lot of places you can
go. You've had such a story career.

410
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.519
You're talking about fifteen years in the
NFL. But you know, take

411
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.039
it back a little bit. You
know, you you're mclemand Area right in

412
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:04.559
Ohio and he went to Nastas.
I mean that's everybody knows that name around

413
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:08.200
the country. Literally, they haven't
been as big as they used to be.

414
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.240
To talk about that experience, I
know you probably you know that's bad

415
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.240
work if you guys want to fight
and get that program back to Gloria like

416
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.960
it should be. But how did
that program prepare you? And what was

417
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.200
it like there? Yeah? I
mean, look our coach, she's just

418
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.640
retired at last year. Coach Kyle, I think he won twelve state championships

419
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.640
since nineteen eighty eight, and it
was a big time program and it prepared

420
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:33.200
me for you know, Big ten
football, and oddly enough, his relationship

421
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.240
with John L. Smith because he
had sent a quarterback to Loluisville by the

422
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.759
name of Dave Ragone, which side
note ended up being one of my quarterback

423
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.920
coaches and when I played for the
Chicago Bears. But his relationship with John

424
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.599
L. You know, kept him
coming back to Ignacious to recruit, and

425
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.880
you know a few years later he
went to Michigan State and I was there,

426
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.920
and you know, I just felt
like it was a great relationship between

427
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.240
my head coach and him. And
then I got to visit Michigan State in

428
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.000
the campus and I loved it,
and you know, it just worked out.

429
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.480
But I think his style of program, you know, prepared me very

430
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.960
well for the next level. And
even more so, you know, when

431
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.960
coach Santonio came around, it was
a big change in culture from you know,

432
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.960
the way things were with coach Smith, and that aligned more with how

433
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.079
my high school coach was um and
you know, it was it was a

434
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.240
great match. And you know,
to be his first starting quarterback and kind

435
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.720
of get the ball, get the
ball rolling with him was a great experience.

436
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.799
Yeah, Brian, So take us
back to you know, like what

437
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.519
other schools you know, because it's
like Jason said, you played at a

438
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.839
big time school on high and Ohio's
known for their football, you know,

439
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:44.000
Ohio, Texas, you know,
California, all those schools are like football

440
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.160
powerhouses. What other schools offered you
and what made you choose Michigan State?

441
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:55.440
Um, you know, oddly enough, my first my first recruitment letter came

442
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.319
from Michigan State for baseball, not
for football, after my sophomore season.

443
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.599
And you know, so I was
kind of already on my radar because I

444
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.359
had kind of had the intention of
going to college to play both, and

445
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.279
so Michigan State was already on my
radar. And then I had a good

446
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.440
junior year and a lot of teams
started recruiting me. And you go and

447
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.240
you do, especially at quarterback,
you know, you want they want you

448
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:17.079
to go do these camps so they
can see you throw in person. And

449
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.720
you know, so I kind of
went around into camps and I really liked

450
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:23.680
you know, the facilities and the
campus at Michigan State, you know,

451
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.680
being from Ohio, obviously I went
to the Ohio State camp, went to

452
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.000
the Michigan camp, Penn State,
you know, all those big ten schools,

453
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.640
a few other ones down the East
coast like South Carolina, Maryland,

454
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.000
UM, North Carolina, Wake Forest, and then you know, the more

455
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.799
you get to know the coaches and
see the area, then I think you

456
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.039
kind of narrow it down. And
UM, I wanted to have a commitment

457
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.880
before my senior year so I could
focus on my senior year. We were

458
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.880
we were going to be naturally ranked. I didn't want that looming over my

459
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.759
head. And you know, Ohio
State and Michigan both said that I was

460
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.559
their second choice, and I think
wanted chat Hanny, who he ended up

461
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:06.519
going to Michigan, and Ohio State
wanted a kid from Louisville named Brian Brown.

462
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.079
And I didn't want to be someone's
second choice, and so I said,

463
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.279
you know what, I'm gonna go
with the school that I'm their first

464
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.559
choice, and that was Michigan State. And you know, I never really

465
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.359
looked back. And oddly enough,
when when Brian Brown went to Louisville,

466
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.440
Ohio State, they called and said, hey, would Brian reconsider in de

467
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:27.200
committing? And I didn't. I
did. I didn't grow up in an

468
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.880
Ohio State fan, even though I
grew up in Ohio. Um, you

469
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:31.319
know, so I wasn't like set
on it, and I was like,

470
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.880
look, they wanted me first,
and I want to be someone's first choice.

471
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.000
I don't want to be someone's second
choice. Oh yeah, man,

472
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.400
So growing up in Ohio, you
weren't who were you a fan of?

473
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.000
Growing I was avean Brown fan.
I never my dad, So we didn't.

474
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.559
We didn't grow up watching college football. I mean I used to think

475
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.880
Notre Dame was in California. Yeah, And I remember being like, we're

476
00:33:53.920 --> 00:34:00.200
gonna play Notre Dame and it's in
Indiana. I had no idea. Wasn't

477
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.400
that the year we u we drove? We drove like to that right?

478
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.840
Like yeah, Brian, you know
talk about you talked to mention about the

479
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:13.639
John el Era and the coach d
and you know, people don't understand the

480
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:19.559
stress we went under when we obviously
under John l but also like we're in

481
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.559
the loeu of who is coming to
to be Hardy the X head coach.

482
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:28.360
But talk about because you're you're now
the starting quarterback. Yeah seven, but

483
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.840
like talk about just the expectations,
the stress, like just the unknown of

484
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.960
what you had to go through knowing
that we all were going through it.

485
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:38.159
Yeah, well, I mean,
luckily for me, I didn't mention this

486
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.760
MA I was gonna recruit, but
I got really recruited and offered by the

487
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.679
universe of Cincinnati where that's where coach
Antonio was. Um, you know,

488
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.440
but Cincinnati wasn't what they are now. That was I think that was still

489
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.440
as a Conference USA or the you
know, it wasn't. It wasn't primetime

490
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.840
football like it is now. And
so although I liked him, I wanted

491
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.960
to play in the Big Ten,
and you know, so I had gotten

492
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.599
to know him over the cream process
there, and you know, I always

493
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.239
really liked them, and so I'll
never forget him walking in the Duffy Doherty

494
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.559
building that first day and and being
like, hey, I mean, I

495
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.519
guess it was meant to work out. You know, it wasn't. That's

496
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.280
such a Coach D thing too,
remembering that and go back to yeah,

497
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.960
so you know, I was excited
about it, but obviously, you know,

498
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.280
we all know, I'll never forget. Remember we didn't have a conditioning

499
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.960
test with John l and then Coach
D got there. I told the story

500
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.239
to guys to this day, and
it was twenty half gasterers, right,

501
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.199
and I'll never forget the last day
we were leaving for like summer break.

502
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.360
Coach Man. He was like,
look, we're running them until everybody makes

503
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.639
twenty and we're running and not everybody's
making them, so we gotta keep going.

504
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.280
I think we did, like twenty
seven we're carrying I think it was

505
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:58.000
Charlie Gan like we were literally carrying
all them over the line. Yeah.

506
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.639
I mean he brought a discipline to
the program that was much needed, and

507
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.639
I think, you know, we
responded. We have some bumps and early

508
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.559
on and you know, I think, what we're like seven and five that

509
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:10.639
year, but we had I mean
towards the end of that year, we

510
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.199
really started to put it together and
you know, went to a bowl game

511
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.800
and it was it was you know, it was what the program needed.

512
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:25.760
Yeah, Brian so Um, going
from a guy like coach d uh and

513
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:32.480
going from Michigan State, how did
that prepare you for playing for a guy

514
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:37.400
like Bill Belichick. I mean,
it didn't you, But I don't know

515
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:43.280
how much it could. I guess
Nick say, but you know what,

516
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.800
I always look at coach d and
you know, I through the recruiting recruiting

517
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.599
process, I got to meet Jim
Trussell a lot he was at Ohio State.

518
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:53.760
I thought he was a wonderful man, great, great leader, great,

519
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.719
you know, very like insightful,
very like, you know, thoughtful.

520
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.559
And I've never met coach Saban,
but I know those are kind of

521
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:06.880
Coach D's two biggest influencers in his
career. And after playing for him,

522
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.039
non coach Trussell, seeing Nick Saban, I think he was a perfect you

523
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.599
know, meld of those two guys. His personality, his perseverance, um,

524
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.440
you know, the way he treats
I felt like he genuinely cared about

525
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.119
us players, right. I think
you guys would all agree with that for

526
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.840
sure. You know, his kind
of down the middle of those two guys.

527
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.440
I mean it prepared me to play
for Bill. But nothing, I

528
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.480
mean even Saban can't prepare you for
playing for Bill. No, no,

529
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.599
I can attest to that. Just
just I don't know Bill that well.

530
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.760
But Saban, you know, he's
very meticulous. He's a tough guy,

531
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.519
right, but but he leaves he
pretty much leaves the offensive law right Bill,

532
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.679
From what I understand, he knows
every position. Like that's one head

533
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.079
coach that can coach every position,
which is sure No. I mean I

534
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:55.719
think I think the discipline that we
played with a the accountability that coached Antonio,

535
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.800
you know, kind of those are
two the biggest pillars playing for coach

536
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.639
Belichick, and so you know it
was it was obviously different, different personalities,

537
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.840
different motivation, all those things.
But I think, you know,

538
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:14.480
playing in a quote unquote pro style
offense, a pro style program at Michigan

539
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.960
State really prepared me for you know, a the hard work that it was

540
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.119
going to take, because I think
that was one thing. I think we

541
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.920
always worked harder than everybody else,
obviously having coached Antonio, but but coach

542
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.000
Manny, I think there was never
a down in our mind. And I

543
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.440
think that's always been something that I've
taken with me too. You know,

544
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.239
I made it. I gotta find
a funny story, Brian. Uh And

545
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.159
you probably remember this, but when
you obviously with the Patriots and you came

546
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.880
to Detroit and you playing the lines
and you hooked you hooked us up with

547
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.159
two tickets and uh and obviously watching
the game and then you know, come

548
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.719
to find you after the game.
Um, and when he came out the

549
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.559
locker room like he had a whole
new swag, like he had to.

550
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.119
He can't go ahead, he had
to. He got me. That was

551
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.760
he was rest to the nine right, and so we were talking. He

552
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.000
was like, yeah, Tom just
gave me all his clothes from I'm the

553
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.039
oldest of four. I never got
any hand me downs. And then I

554
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.599
got there and I'm getting hand me
downs from Tom Brady. I was like,

555
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.360
I gotta take him. I'm gonna
look way better than what I should

556
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:21.320
affod right now, English bos little
thig. I had to pass on the

557
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.960
suits, but the shirts, the
hats, everything. Oh man, how

558
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.320
great that for being a starting ure
of me? That's awesome? You know.

559
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:31.480
The crazy thing, you know,
like you know you made them when

560
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:37.199
you talk about Belich and you call
him Bill. I mean, I've been

561
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.159
around him for so long, and
you know, I'm not twenty one years

562
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.039
old anymore. So it's like,
you know, that was the one thing,

563
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.920
you know, going in the NFL
that blew me away was that they

564
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.719
never no one ever called him coach. They called the name. I was

565
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.199
like, am I allowed to do
that? You know that? And just

566
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.760
I'm older than some of my coaches. So it's just, you know,

567
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.039
that's just kind of the business that
it is. I don't know. Maybe

568
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.360
college kids are doing it these days. I don't know, or that's the

569
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.679
same thing for because my running backs
coach with the Jets was Jimmy Ray,

570
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:07.760
and I'll call him coach Ray.
But other people are like, hey Jimmy

571
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:13.440
on this. I was like,
you know, can you do that a

572
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:21.519
little right? Right? You know? So go ahead? So so Bran,

573
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:27.039
So I think nine teams right that
you do? Nine teams fifteen years.

574
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.760
You're a family man. You've got
two little ones. Yeah, they're

575
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.280
not so little anymore. Yeah,
eleven and nine, So eleven and nine,

576
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.159
fifteen years in the league. All
they know is dad playing in the

577
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.880
NFL and all the different cities that
you've been to now, so talk about

578
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.880
that, like, because I know
you're making a move to Las Vegas right

579
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.760
now and the family, I don't
know, how is that dynamic as a

580
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.039
dad dealing with this, you know, with the job like you have.

581
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.280
Yeah, I mean it's it's gotten
harder as the years have gone on,

582
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.280
you know, the older they get, and this one will be probably the

583
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.440
toughest. And you know, I
couldn't do it without my wife supporting me

584
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.719
to do it. And I think
we all realized there's a limited window,

585
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.199
right, and I've been fortunate enough
to extend that window and keep extending it.

586
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.320
And you know, my son,
I you know, we sat down

587
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:16.840
as a family and said, look
like that has an opportunity to go do

588
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.280
this. And my son's like,
you gotta go, you know, and

589
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.880
so he was excited. My daughter
was not so excited. But you know,

590
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.320
when you look at it, it's
really a short window of time that

591
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.480
you have the opportunity to do it. And I wouldn't have gone and done

592
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.320
it for any other coach. Coach
McDaniels who obviously spent some time at Michigan

593
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.159
State under coach Saban and Josh and
I have known each other. I've known

594
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:42.800
his family since I was in high
school. His dad was a legendary coach

595
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.480
in Ohio at Kent McKinley High School. And you know, so there was

596
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.480
no other coach that I would have
gone and played for at this point.

597
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.159
But I know him really well.
I know the offense really well, and

598
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.280
you know, I think we have
a really good team. So it was

599
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.400
an opportunity that I didn't want to, you know, regret not taking.

600
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.719
And you know, it's funny all
the retired players I ever talked to,

601
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:07.599
you know, I said, like, how's it going, you know,

602
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:09.559
give me some advice, and they
always say play until they don't want you

603
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.320
anymore. So, um, you
know, because once you come back and

604
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.960
I said, I couldn't do it
without the support of my wife. It

605
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.519
hasn't been easy. Um. You
know, town to town, you know,

606
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.559
one year here, one year there. It's funny it's fifteen years,

607
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.760
but when you know we added up
this past this past offseason, it's really

608
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.559
I've lived in New England like nine, nine or ten of those fifteen years,

609
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.400
you know, because a few places
were a year here, a year

610
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.960
there, and then came back in
twenty seventeen. You know, I left

611
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:43.639
here in twenty twelve and came back
in in October of twenty seventeen, So

612
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.320
there was five year gap in there. But ten years of my career and

613
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.079
of my adult life really have been
here in Boston. So is that where

614
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.239
you know you're in Vegas now you're
you're in Boston. Is your family going

615
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.800
to be in Boston and you're gonna
be in Vegas? We're making a game

616
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.599
time decision were I'm stud out there? So Vegas is a whole other animal.

617
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:07.840
Um, I don't know. Like
I said, you know, the

618
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.119
kids are in school, they got
their friends, they got their things.

619
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:19.039
So haven't made that decision yet.
Um, kind of gonna just springing times.

620
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.800
We've prepared and it's been fine,
and you know, this is towards

621
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.280
the end, so we'll see.
I mean, I think I have to

622
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.320
take into consideration what's best for them
and and you know, hopefully you know,

623
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.760
it all works out. So it's
like I said, it's a short

624
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:38.559
period of time and we'll figure it
out. Go ahead. Um, So

625
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.639
Brian, for you, you know, you went to Michigan State, you

626
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.440
grew up Hayden. Um, not
grew up, but on the four years

627
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.119
at Michigan State you grew up Haydon. Two teams, Nor Dame and University

628
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.199
of Michigan. Yep. So then
your season's done, at your career's done

629
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.519
at Michigan State. You go to
the Patriots. You walk into the facility

630
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:04.880
and there's just you know who and
he played an How was it, you

631
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.599
know, being in the quarterbacks room
with Tom Brady and how what did he

632
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.639
teach you? You know for you
know, for your career that you can

633
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.480
look back on and now still getting
you fifteen years in Yeah, I mean

634
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.760
knowing him for fifteen years when I
look back and walking into that room and

635
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.960
I walk in and he introduces himself, Hey, I'm Tom. Yeah,

636
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:30.079
like no, no, no shit, But that's just genuinely who he is.

637
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.599
And you know I talked about never
really you know, using what you

638
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.679
know, handling that adversity that I
went through additional state to you know,

639
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.599
get this point in my career.
Had I not been around him, you

640
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.199
know, I wouldn't have gotten to
this point in my career either. Because

641
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:49.039
he allowed me to you know,
learn from him, asking questions, um,

642
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.000
and just to see his daily preparation. I mean it was incredible.

643
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.320
It was like, you know,
it'd be like being able to shadow Albert

644
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.880
Einstein if you wanted to be in
into physics. I mean, the guy

645
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.239
I came in every day a true
professional, wanted to get better every single

646
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.760
day. And it was a great
eye opening experience for me. And you

647
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:09.880
know, we would make some subtle
jabs about the Michigan state Michigan thing,

648
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.719
but um, you know, I
couldn't have asked for a better mentor.

649
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.239
And he, I mean, he
took me under his wing. And I

650
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.960
think the one thing that I did
the best was just trying to soak it

651
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:22.639
up and watch and learn and not
you know, pest. And when I

652
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.679
had a question, I would ask, but if I didn't, I would

653
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.480
just kind of watch him do things. And you know, he was he

654
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.679
was always very vocal about how he
saw things and the way he saw them

655
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:35.320
when he was talking with our coach, and you know, i'd take notes

656
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.280
about that, and you know,
I mean, I couldn't ask for a

657
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.719
better person to to not only you
know, be a teammate with, but

658
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.119
just you know, friends and have
a mentor like that. I wouldn't say

659
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.360
that about anyone else from University of
Michigan, by the way, right,

660
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.639
Yo, Yeah, Horyer, we
had a we had a will ghosting on

661
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.519
and he was talking about, you
know, a super Bowl champion, you

662
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.840
know, and we very rare we
have guys from us. That's you know,

663
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.360
that's getting that right and talk about
the experience like that's the highest of

664
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.320
the highest, right meta, And
just talk about that preparation of like when

665
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.639
you really finally came to really realization
that I'm I'm in the super Bowl and

666
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:24.159
I'm prepping to play you know for
a national or super Bowl championship. Yeah,

667
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.199
you know, that was the one
when when I was on the team

668
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.480
that won it. It was the
third time that i'd gone. The first

669
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.480
time was my third year we lost
to the Giants, and then my second

670
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.719
time was an offensive explosion a game
against Nick Foles and the Eagles, and

671
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:44.079
we lost that game. And you
know, the third time, I was

672
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:45.719
like, God, like we got
like, we have to win this game.

673
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.039
I don't know, I mean,
some people don't give a Super Bowl

674
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.880
an entire career. This is the
third one that I'm going to, and

675
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.119
you know, being the backup quarterback, I'm trying to do whatever it takes,

676
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.920
you know, give the defense a
great look, watch extra film,

677
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.079
help Tom, you know, on
the sidelines, thing like that. But

678
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.079
oddly enough, of all the years
that we went to the Super Bowl,

679
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.960
I felt like we won the Super
Bowl in the AFC Champion of Game when

680
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.519
we'd beat the Chiefs. That to
me was a far more memorable game than

681
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.679
the super Bowl itself. The Super
Bowl itself was kind of boring. I

682
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.199
mean, you remember that one,
but it was a low scoring game.

683
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.760
But that AFC Champion of Game beating
the Chiefs you know, mahomes, all

684
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.679
those guys at their place. It
was freezing cold. I wore a scuba

685
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.360
suit just to like stay warm.
I mean it was you know how it

686
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.280
is like when you probably like a
hostile environment, all you have is the

687
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:38.280
guys next to you, and you
know to do that there. And we

688
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.000
didn't have a great like regular season
that year. We had lost to the

689
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.159
Dolphins on the Miami Miracle. We
had lost the Steelers late in the year.

690
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:46.400
You know, people were kind of
saying like, oh, we're not

691
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.199
going to go very far. And
it was kind of like an US against

692
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.079
the world attitude for that Chiefs game. And once we won that, I

693
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.639
mean, obviously you prepare for the
Super Bowl, you know, the best

694
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:00.800
you can, but it was kind
of, you know, once we beat

695
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.320
the Chiefs, I felt like we
were going to beat the Rams. It

696
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.039
didn't matter because the way that our
team came together offense, defense, the

697
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.800
way we were celebrating with each other, it was like, you know,

698
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.199
it was like a family and there
was nothing that was gonna, you know,

699
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:19.000
get in our way of winning that
year. Yeah, absolutely so,

700
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.840
Brian. So I had the opportunity. I was blessed with the opportunity to

701
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.639
play, you know, two years, you know with the Bills in my

702
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.599
hometown. Yeah, you have the
opportunity you just talked about. You said

703
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.199
you are an Ohio State fan,
you are a Cleveland Browns fan. Ye,

704
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.920
now you get to go home.
Yeah, you know, besides the

705
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:49.719
ticket request that you get a year. I wasn't on the level but you

706
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.039
I was not a court Yeah.
I was just a running you know,

707
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.239
the air behind Fred Jackson all this
guy. But you're a quarterback there,

708
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:59.599
you know, starting quarterback. You
know, besides the ticket request, what

709
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:05.760
did mean to you to go back
to your hometown and you know, play

710
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.119
for a team that you grew up
you know, like Jim Brown, all

711
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:13.239
those guys, Bernie Colesar, you
know, all those guys that you grew

712
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.719
up watching. What was that like
going back to your hometown? Um,

713
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.039
it was. It was a whirlwind, to be honest with you, because

714
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:22.280
you know, I got there and
I was a third quarterback and then Brandon

715
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.400
Weedon got hurt and somehow they chose
me to start the next game. Like

716
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.719
I jumped to the to the starter
and won a wild game up in Minnesota,

717
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.519
and it was just crazy. And
then three weeks later, I tore

718
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.480
my ACL and so it was kind
of a bad ending to a good start.

719
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:42.280
And then I was able to come
back and be the start of the

720
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.719
next year. But obviously we were
dealing with, you know, some other

721
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:47.599
things, and and we had Johnny
Menzel, and you know, there was

722
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.440
people who in the organization who wanted
him to play, whether you know,

723
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.079
we were winning or not, you
know, and and you know, so

724
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:58.440
it was kind of bitter sweet because
I wish, you know, it would

725
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.280
have ended better. But I'll say, when you're a kid, like you

726
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.960
said, you're growing up in Buffalo, Otis growing up in Michigan, like

727
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.280
when you're playing football in the backyard, that's who you're emulating. I was.

728
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.679
I had a Bernie Coastar jersey of
Browns jersey playing in the backyard,

729
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.679
and so you know, that's literally
the dream coming true. And you know,

730
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.440
I do. I wish it would
have ended better one hundred percent,

731
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:24.199
but it's something that I'll always look
back on super fondly because it literally was

732
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.880
living the dream. And you know, we had some great games and it

733
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.360
just didn't work out. But um, like you said, other than the

734
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.519
ticket request, it was everything that
you could dream of as a kid,

735
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.639
I'll go ahead to try. No, I'm just saying, so you play

736
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.239
with with Tom Brady, right,
And then that's what I was gonna ask

737
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:50.719
Johnny Manzel was some simularities. What
was the difference there, and like like

738
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.119
that's that's you know, talk about
those that experience. I mean, you

739
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.719
know the thing Johnny and I were
always were cool together. It was it

740
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.320
was fine. I think it was
more of the hype got to everyone in

741
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.280
that building, and you know,
whether it was the owner, the GM

742
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.960
whoever, it was like they couldn't
refuse the hype. So they're texting down

743
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.159
to the coaches on the field,
Hey, you need to put Johnny in.

744
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.880
I mean, we're winning. We're
in the top of the AFC North

745
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.639
in November. The Browns haven't done
that in however many years, and they

746
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.559
all they wanted to do was play
him and and I get it. Look,

747
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.360
i mean, the hype get gets
ahold of us all. But it

748
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.559
was never anything between me and Johnny. I think that was more of like

749
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.880
you know, the upper the management
and those people wanted to just they're like,

750
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.719
look, we drafted him in the
first round. We got like he'll

751
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.679
get in he'll go in there and
we'll still stay winning. And you know,

752
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.039
it didn't work out that way,
and then I was gone that after

753
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:43.280
that year. But it was I
mean, look, I could write a

754
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.360
book of my experiences in the NFL. I've you know, I feel like

755
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.400
I've seen it all, lived through
it all, and that's unfortunate part of

756
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.920
it as it is a business and
sometimes there's things that are out of your

757
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.239
control. And look, I didn't
play great in a few games, but

758
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.639
a lot of guys didn't play great
in games and they didn't get pitched either,

759
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:01.880
So you know, it is,
it is what it is. And

760
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:07.599
um, you know, like we
talked about before or that that resiliency handle

761
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.079
that adversity, Um, you know, it just it fuels the fire to

762
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:20.320
keep going. So there were texting
down them, they got fined that that's

763
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.159
true. That's true, get fine
for texting and that is a great former.

764
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:29.000
Yeah, yeah, unbelievable. So
I mean, look, I mean

765
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.559
the thing that I've learned, as
hard as it is even for you know,

766
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:36.480
outside of football, there's always things
that you can't control and they may

767
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.199
drive you insane. But if you
let those you know, affect you,

768
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:43.119
then you know, that's usually,
you know, not a good thing.

769
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.280
So it is don't look you guys, you guys both have you know gone

770
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:51.280
through it. It's a business and
and there's certain things that you know you

771
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.079
wish you'd go back to what it
was like in high school or even college,

772
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.840
where it was about football and it
didn't matter you know who thought this.

773
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.159
It was the best person goes out
there and play. And if it's

774
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.639
not you, then it's not you. But at least you know that you

775
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.679
gave it your best chance and someone
who you know is better than he was

776
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:13.440
getting an opportunity. So when you
were in Cleveland, I might be was

777
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:19.079
did Drew come in or were you
going crossover? Crossover? It was in

778
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.639
Arizona, which was right before right
you know, it was gonna be Drew

779
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:27.159
and I out in Arizona and then
they traded for Carson Palmer, and so

780
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.400
that's kind of what led me going
back to Cleveland because Drew had been with

781
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.920
coach Arians and I think it was
Indianapolis and then they traded for a Houson

782
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.599
and I was like, look,
I'm not I don't fit in here now.

783
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.920
You know, if it had been
me and Drew and we were going

784
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.400
to compete and and you know whoever
was the best was going to play that

785
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.880
that would be. But once they
traded for Carson, Drew's the backup.

786
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:51.719
Like you know, I remember trying
to get traded and released, and that's

787
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.960
how I was able to go back
to Cleveland. So that that's the funny

788
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.800
thing there. So you talk about
that getting traded and really because there was

789
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.719
one point in mind, I wanted
to get to the release when I was

790
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:07.480
in San Francisco. I can't do
it here. That's the thing you realize

791
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:12.159
is sometimes getting released, as bad
as it sound, is the best thing

792
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.519
for you. And I remember having
to go to the assistant gm um who's

793
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:21.079
now the GM and Tampa Jason Lighte, who I had known from New England.

794
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.559
He really wanted to keep me,
I said, Jason, the head

795
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:28.320
coach loves Drew, and he just
traded you guys, just traded for Carson.

796
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:30.239
Like, I don't where am I
going to fit in, And like

797
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:32.280
the sooner that you can let me
go and find a new team, the

798
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.519
better off it's going to be for
me. And thankfully he agreed, and

799
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:37.599
that's how I was able to get
to Cleveland. You know, in that

800
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.079
offseason and work my way up to
them. That first year where I,

801
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.119
you know, started, I think
it was the third game of the year.

802
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.480
Unfortunately I got hurt. But you
know, think about if I had

803
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:50.880
never gone and pressed the issue,
go through the entire training camp, it

804
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:52.480
doesn't work out. I never get
to Cleveland, you know. So sometimes

805
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:58.400
the thing that you realize is you
you something that you think is bad is

806
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.199
actually the best thing for you.
Mmmmmmm. Now we at a lot of

807
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:08.440
live lessons here Message Message We so
we have a quarterback on and we always

808
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:15.000
talk about we talked about this with
Drew is have you been watching closely of

809
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.400
you know, our program now um? And then we talk about just a

810
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:28.920
quarterback battle like it's that's the most
stressful open public position and scrutinized position besides

811
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:36.039
the kicker according to ju Um.
But but talk about people. Kickers are

812
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.079
people, uh, you know,
talk about our quarterback play as you've watched

813
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:45.000
us currently this past few years,
what's going on now when we have an

814
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:51.039
open battle between two guys that haven't
had that much game play time, but

815
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.599
you know, talk about, you
know, what's going through those guys heads?

816
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:57.039
And then what would you like to
see, you know, in a

817
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.079
quarterback as we kind of get this
back on the right right track. Yeah,

818
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.840
I mean I think, look,
you know, I can go back

819
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.119
and go through the years. Obviously
Kurt followed me, did a tremendous job,

820
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:07.599
you know, after him, there
was a kind of a law and

821
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.039
then Connor Cook took over and did
a tremendous job, and then kind of

822
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.400
a law and then Lurk he did
a great job Lork. He was here

823
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.480
with me in New England, and
you know I always enjoyed watching him play

824
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.320
and then getting to know him.
He was a great guy. And and

825
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.360
then you know, two years ago
I thought Peyton Thorne did a great job.

826
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.079
Obviously he had the benefit of having
you know, Kenneth Walker, you

827
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.119
know, running all over the place. And last year, you know,

828
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.400
it was a dip. I think
you got to look for consistency, right,

829
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:37.079
That's the thing that I've learned at
quarterback. You know, you don't

830
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:38.840
always have to be the elite guy. You have to be the most consistent

831
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:43.599
guy, and especially if you have
great playmakers around you and you can hand

832
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.480
the ball off. I heard you
guys talking about the offensive line is going

833
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.760
to be great. You know,
you get a running back hand the ball

834
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:52.039
off. You don't have to do
everything. You know, you don't have

835
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:54.840
to be Caleb wims you out and
went out of games. And you know,

836
00:56:54.880 --> 00:57:00.480
I think people were afraid of the
game manager Moniker. But game managers

837
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:02.599
win super Bowls, they win championships, especially if you have a great team

838
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.639
around. So it'll be interesting to
see. I think a quarterback competition.

839
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:08.559
I've had to deal with it,
whether it was at Michigan State just to

840
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.159
be the backup, you know,
my retro freshman year. I remember,

841
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:17.760
you know, Dominic and Tally came
in. He was a high and we

842
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.480
had to you know, we battled
it out, and you know that that's

843
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:24.559
sometimes the competition. They always say, you know, the cream rise at

844
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:29.960
the top. Sometimes the competition,
you know, it rises everybody's level and

845
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.559
so hopefully you know that pushes them, you know, whoever ends up being

846
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.519
the quarterback. And the one thing
I'll say about quarterback competitions is once you

847
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.440
pick the guy like, you have
to support them. You have to say,

848
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.840
this is our guy. We're going
to get behind them and give them

849
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.360
every opportunity to succeed because I think
you know, in this day and age.

850
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.360
Everybody looks for that instant success and
sometimes it happens, but sometimes,

851
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.320
you know, you got to ride
some bumps because, like you said,

852
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.760
these guys don't have a lot of
game experience, and there's nothing like game

853
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.920
experience. There's just you can't simulate
it enough practice. There's no preseason games

854
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.800
in college, and so you know, it's not always going to look pretty.

855
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.599
I mean, some guys are just
you know, they go to a

856
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.119
team and it's a stacked team and
they do their job and they look amazing.

857
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.599
But you know, sometimes it's not
going to look great and you just

858
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:16.400
have to ride away then and go
with who you think is the best fit

859
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:22.840
for the team. Man, look
right, this is great. You know,

860
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:27.159
I got a lot of feedback from
parents that are watching the show.

861
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.880
Players parents are are in the chat. They watch the show pretty religiously,

862
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:36.599
which we're very grateful for. But
any advice that you would give a current

863
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.079
player on things that you did while
in college that could prepare you for the

864
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:44.559
league and things that maybe you wish
you had a done that could helped you

865
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:51.760
more, Um, yeah, I
think you know. The like I said,

866
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.480
the work I'll never forget those workouts. With coach Manny, and I

867
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.159
mean it's it's it's too bad that
you are illegal now. By the way,

868
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:07.119
I think that problem is this is, you know, those workouts turned

869
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.719
you into a man. I mean, I'll never forget we're getting some of

870
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.400
them. Someone getting downe with some
of those workouts and crawling back to crack,

871
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:17.800
crawling back to your bed. I
was telling someone the story the other

872
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.400
day. One of the summer workouts. Um, you know, it was

873
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.079
so hard that I went home passed
out. I woke up the alarm clocks,

874
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.199
alarm clocks at six thirty and I
thought, oh my god, I'm

875
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.480
gonna be like workouts. I got
in my car, I'm driving down.

876
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:39.159
I'm like, why are people getting
lined up at ricks right now? If

877
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:47.800
that that that was something that's real, that was real. And I think

878
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.199
those tough moments, I think you
have to fight through them. You have

879
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.000
to, you have to work your
way through them, because if you don't,

880
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:59.960
when a real comes along, like
you're just gonna you're gonna crumb.

881
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.440
And that's why I look, you
know, like the transfer report and all

882
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:06.039
this stuff now, they make it
so easy for kids to just give up.

883
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.039
Yeah, and look, there's it's
it's I'm sure it's well intended.

884
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.360
There's certain things like I remember Tyrone, Remember Tyrone Mackenzie, you know,

885
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:15.239
because he wanted he had to go
take care of his mom. That's what

886
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:19.360
it's there for, to go in. Like I don't like the place.

887
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:21.880
You know, there's a guy ahead
of me. How about beating him out?

888
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.559
And I think, you know,
it's such like a lost um idea

889
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:29.719
of competition, like everyone wants to
shy away from it. You know,

890
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:34.199
competition is great, it makes you
better. And I know it made me

891
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.719
better. I know every day that
I went there, I was competing for

892
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.480
my job because I had good guys
behind me and if I wasn't gonna do

893
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.400
my job well. And that's how
it's been in my profession for the last

894
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.960
fifteen years. Um. You know, football is a great meritocracy because whoever's

895
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.159
doing it the best, that's who's
gonna that's who's gonna be out there doing

896
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.599
the job. And you know,
so i'd say that's that's the one thing

897
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.679
that I would instill not only to
you know, college athletes, high school

898
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.639
athletes, but parents who are parents
their kids too. And actually I meant

899
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:07.639
to mention this who're talking about quarterbacks. I happen to know the latest quarterback

900
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:12.239
commitment to Michigan State, m Henry
Hasselback. And he goes through high school

901
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.280
right up here by me, and
actually, oddly enough, my son.

902
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:19.400
We were taking my son to tour
to school and he happened to be one

903
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:21.679
of the kids who was given a
tour. And I didn't know. I

904
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.920
didn't know who he was dad and
his last name, but I didn't know

905
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.559
if he played quarterback. I didn't
know anything. And I remember texting his

906
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.960
dad that night and I said,
look, if my son is as well

907
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.199
mannered and polite as your son is, you know, I just met him

908
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.320
today, I'll be happy as a
father. I just wanted you to know

909
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.880
that. And then sure enough,
here it is like a year later,

910
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.760
and he's committed to Michigan Stame.
I was how pumped I was for him,

911
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.199
And you know, so I got
to see him play. We went

912
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:51.760
and saw him play a few games
last year. So I'm excited for him

913
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.760
and his opportunity there. I would
be remissed to mention that, but you

914
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.320
know, you talk about parenting,
like you know, there's Matt Hasselback coaching

915
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:02.679
his son on the sideline and Matt's
been through it all, played in the

916
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:07.360
Super Bowl, and and you know
he's over there and he's coaching them up.

917
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.119
And I think that's the one thing
is be coachable. Um, you

918
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:13.280
know, go to a place that
you know, you believe in the coaches

919
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.639
and what they're what they're coaching,
and listen to them because if you you

920
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:20.880
know, sign up to get four
years, five years of your life to

921
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.480
listen to these guys and then you
know, trust them. And I had

922
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:28.159
great coaches. Obviously we've talked about
coach d Antonio, but Dave Warner was

923
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.480
an incredible quarterback coach for me.
And you know we still talk to this

924
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.639
day. And you know, those
are relationships that you'll build for a lifetime.

925
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.280
Yeah, absolutely, Brian. I
know we got out of here about

926
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:45.360
two questions. Um. I know
we talked about you know what I did

927
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:51.840
for the running through the old line? You you know you got that quarterback

928
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:58.079
money. Now. I remember just
hoping that the Quiznos guy would give me

929
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:05.960
a free sub what do you do? But what what gifts did you get

930
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.079
for your old lineman in the league? Gifts I was I was hoping my

931
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.679
dad would slip me at twenty when
he left the game, so I could

932
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:17.639
even McDonald's that night. I mean, I wasn't writing handwritten notes. So

933
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.559
you know in the league, in
the level league, what did you get

934
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:30.559
your old Um? You know the
year that the years that I've been starters,

935
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:36.079
I've I've always I always thought this
was really cool Tom for them the

936
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.480
away games, he would always cater
in food from places, and so when

937
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.559
I was in Cleveland, I would
always do that for for the offensive line

938
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.960
at the home and the away games. UM trying to think, I think,

939
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:50.119
you know there were some yetti coolers
in there right when when those were

940
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.400
coming out. Look, I never
I wasn't making prime time money, so

941
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:58.360
it was like what can I get
these twelve guys and making something good?

942
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.119
That was the coolest thing I thought
with Tom was, you know, the

943
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:06.480
night before the game, I'm gonna
I'm gonna cater in the best food whatever

944
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:10.199
city we're in, and me and
the lineman are gonna share a meal,

945
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.079
you know, like you know,
it's like the meal before going into battle

946
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:15.559
together. And I always thought that
was a really cool thing. Smart,

947
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.079
that's offensive line perspective, that's extremely
that's right, feeding those guys. That's

948
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:23.519
the best thing. Like Jay,
you said, he knows where his bread

949
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:29.320
is buttered long. I think Jay, I think we lost he freeze.

950
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.880
He always does it like at the
end he's just dead so out. Yeah,

951
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.239
I know we're getting to the end. But like I just was doing

952
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.800
some math here. So we had
in that picture. Was Drew in that

953
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:43.440
picture with it with he wasn't in
there was the year after he left.

954
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.480
Okay, the year after he left. Yeah, one year. I mean

955
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:50.360
you have that's three super bowls?
Yeah, two in this now, so

956
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:55.199
two super Bowls. That's right,
that's right, man, Brian. What

957
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.320
do you miss the most? Uh, Michigan State Campus. I know it's

958
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.639
flash back and bringing back members,
but what do you miss the most?

959
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:06.880
Um? I missed walking over from
the Kellogg Center on game days, you

960
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:11.519
know, going by the Spartan statue. I missed the energy on Saturdays.

961
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:14.800
I mean obviously, you know we
always played in front of great crowds and

962
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.320
at our at our games, and
and you know my senior year year junior,

963
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:20.039
you know we were we were doing
We're rolling, so we had some

964
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:24.280
big games and you know those are
the things I miss a lot. I

965
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:28.039
think the most that I miss is
the relationships that I made and and like

966
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.960
we were saying before, you know, I haven't you know, nine teams

967
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.559
in fifteen years. It makes hard
to get back and visit. Um,

968
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.960
you know, so I'm excited.
My son the other day someone asked,

969
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.599
you know, hey, if you
want to go to college, where you

970
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.239
want to go without hesitation? He
said, Michigan State And he's never even

971
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.920
been there. So I can't wait
to take them and see everything. And

972
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.719
he loves the Spartans and so,
um, you know, once I'm once

973
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:55.440
I'm retired and have time, you
know, we'll be up there a bunch

974
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.400
and visit and see some games and
more importantly see the faces like you guys

975
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:03.079
that I haven't seen in a long
time. So yeah, back man,

976
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:08.599
Bryan. So when you're done,
when you finally decided to hang them up

977
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:15.239
after eighty years, what what's what
will be next for Brian Horror? What

978
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.480
do you want to do? Yeah, I mean it's a good question.

979
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:19.719
I've thought a lot about it,
especially in the last few years. I

980
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.239
mean, I could end up doing
something like you guys are doing. I've

981
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.079
I've made a lot of connections with
a lot of people over the years.

982
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:30.960
Um, even me and my buddy
Jacoby Brissette, who UM he's like my

983
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.800
little brother. I was his backup
in Indianapolis that year, but we had

984
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:35.400
known each other, you know,
both being in New England. You know,

985
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.840
we've even played around with the idea
of doing a podcast, and you

986
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.519
know we've we've seen a lot in
our career, so you know, it

987
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.559
could always go that route, the
media route. The one thing I know

988
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.159
I'm not going to do is coach. Um. I see the hours those

989
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:51.760
guys put in. Um, and
you know, like we said, I've

990
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:55.280
played football for fifteen years. The
last thing I want to do is go

991
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:59.000
coach. So UM, I can
tell you that that's probably not going to

992
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.400
be on the list, but we'll
see. I mean that's the one thing,

993
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.079
you know, especially for me getting
to the point where I'm at now,

994
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:06.679
it's it's something that you got to
think about. And UM, I

995
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:10.719
try to pick the brains of guys
who are you know I've played with that

996
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:13.159
are retired and you know, see
what they're doing, what they did to

997
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:15.440
keep themselves busy, and um,
you know, I do plan on being

998
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:19.119
able to come back and visit Michigan
State and see a few games, so

999
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.480
um, you know we'll see I
think, um, you know after this

1000
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:28.599
year, really revisit that and think
about you know what that that next step

1001
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:33.800
is absolutely man. We look forward
to you having some time to come out

1002
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:38.360
and see us. Man in person, don't be going out taking my job.

1003
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:44.679
Who might have open? You might
have an opening. I don't have

1004
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:49.360
the personality like you. You and
Jacobe. Oh my goodness. That Yeah,

1005
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:51.760
that's that'd be a good one.
Man. No, thank you for

1006
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:55.800
coming on the show. Man,
enjoy the time. I love to catch

1007
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.320
up with you in person making up. I don't really captives. I may

1008
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.199
just let us man. I know
some people that have tickets there on the

1009
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.360
show. Yeah, we had to
bring back the honorary captains. Many away

1010
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:09.440
from it. They went away from
it. So we years as far as

1011
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.280
game a few years ago. So
he did he did? You go?

1012
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:21.399
Did bring it back? You too? Man, appreciate your hor before you

1013
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:33.239
go inside. Joe. You like
my bet cut Green Brian Hoyer, everyone,

1014
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:36.399
Hey, what I mean? This
guy's well, he could write a

1015
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:42.960
book. Absolutely, absolutely great.
One of my favorite interviews. You know,

1016
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:45.119
Horriors, a dude, you know, been through it, been through

1017
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:50.239
you know, like worked his way
like a true worker earned whatever that he

1018
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.640
was, you know, whatever position
he said, he totally earned it.

1019
01:08:54.640 --> 01:09:00.239
And we we looked at that picture
of that quarterback room and it's days,

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day and age. You have that
quarterbacks from with Kirk Cousin, Nick Foles,

1021
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:09.640
Brian Horrier, people to transferred left
and right. He decided he stuck

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it out. He won and look
at him. Now, good for him,

1023
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:18.399
Well, I mean did transfer.
But yeah, but to your point,

1024
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like it's so quick now where it's
like I hit that portal right now?

1025
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:27.039
Yeah, yeah, No, that's
a great one. Man. We've

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01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.119
had a lot of war stories,
man, collectively together. I think that's

1027
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:35.079
why this was a great, the
best interview because in real time we flashed

1028
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:40.479
back to those stories like I get
I get PTSD, Like when you miss

1029
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:45.560
a workout man with coach Manny,
like pushing that slan was the absolute worst

1030
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:50.479
and I don't know, in the
morning and you pushing that toll he comes

1031
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:56.880
out of his office, like you
see you multiple groups working out and you

1032
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.159
still push the worst thing when you
see those group working out and you're the

1033
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.079
one out there and they're all looking
at you like, damn, what he

1034
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:12.560
do? What do you do stay
punishment? Everybody has pst TV from that

1035
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:16.840
man PTSD from that UM coach many
workouts. But like I said, man,

1036
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:19.640
it's a different it's a kind of
gentler football right now, which is

1037
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:26.119
it's all right, right, says
everybody. Man a great interview. Guys.

1038
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.319
You know Brian Owyer, I think, uh, you know we could

1039
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:32.600
talk football with him at at at
a level that you know, I mean,

1040
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:39.399
getting him and Drew standing together.
Man. Just I mean because they

1041
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:43.720
both won Super Bowls with Tom Brady, which is crazy. But yeah,

1042
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.760
just just all right, Well,
look all spoiled. This is Sparta MSU

1043
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.000
fans. Are all these good people
have been coming on spoiled and you're not

1044
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:55.680
even hitting the light button. I've
gotter hit that light. Come on now,

1045
01:10:56.199 --> 01:11:00.159
we need that light. Why why
is it so difficult to find the

1046
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:04.920
light? But right, they all
spoiled because it's spoiled. Oh man,

1047
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.520
we get lights and we get tickets. Look, guys, before producer Tony

1048
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.920
yells at us, we're eleven minutes
over. So we got a right you

1049
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:19.520
know, which is which is good? Hey, great video to the production

1050
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:21.920
team in the back. Tony els
man, that was a great video.

1051
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:27.119
Had my you know, skin my
guy had the goosebumps and that was great.

1052
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.399
And you know, for Oldis Wiley, JU called become Jason Strayhorn.

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01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:33.640
That's a Sparta ms You have a
good night, God bless go breath go

1054
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:41.359
what this is Sparta MSU as a
combined presentation of play Fly Sports Properties and

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01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:46.960
Michigan State Sports Properties. The show
was produced by Tony La Barbara Tony Gastella

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01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:54.600
and Process Driven Consulting. Additional supports
provided by Brendan Duavage. On location technical

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01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.880
support provided by Good Fruit Video.
Be sure to follow our host, Jason

1058
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.720
Strayhorn, Ju Culprit and Otis Wiley
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