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this evening, and his name is
Brad, and Brad, I want to

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thank you so much for joining us
tonight. How are you Hey? You

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doing well, George? I appreciate
you having from me on. It's great

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to have you. And without any
further ado, why don't you go ahead

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and introduce yourself to the audience.
Yes, sir, I am a forty

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seven year old guy living here in
the Hills of Tennessee. Married, have

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one child who I just got married
off, and she is I've picked up

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a son in law that I'm trying
to convert over to a flatter earth nice.

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So yeah, yeah, he's he's
very receptive. He's been digging in

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a lot of rabbit holes and I
hope to convert him real soon. So

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I'm a Navy veteran and been out
of the Navy since nineteen ninety seven.

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I'm a licensed professional counselor here in
Tennessee. And really that's that's one of

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the things that I'd like to bring
to the table today, is just kind

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of the mental health side to flatter
something that's not really mentioned that often.

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Indeed. And first of all,
thank you for your service. And that

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was an interesting time to be in
the Navy because correct me if I'm wrong,

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wasn't about the time frame when the
whole tailhook scandal was bringing brought to

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the public. Uh, yeah,
it was an interesting time. So I

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didn't and serve the full four years. Unfortunately I had to to leave the

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Navy a little early. But it
was definitely thankful for my service. And

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time in there. But uh,
yeah, there there's so much the Navy

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brought to light for me and uh, you know, again, just thankful

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for my time there. So I
kudos to people like you who were able

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to do a career in there.
That's that's awesome. Yeah, it's that

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there's certainly no other no other job
in the world like the military. That's

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that's for sure. On that inclusive
positives and the negatives. Why don't you,

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I guess, as we always do, kick it off, kind of

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give folks your you know, little
story of how you came to the truth,

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and then we'll get into the flat
earth and I know you have a

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lot of things we want to talk
about, will jump into that, Yes,

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definitely. Um, I think my
truth journey started with nine to eleven.

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And I'll never forget that day.
I was, you know, not

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too far out of the Navy at
that point, a few years four years

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out, and I was working in
a retail store in a mall, and

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you know, everybody's like, man, did you hear that plane hit the

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towers? And I was like,
no, what's going on? And you

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know, I took a break and
went into the break room and saw that

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you know, another plane supposedly hit
the tower, and you know that that

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was kind of like, I don't
know the beginning of truth, and I

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didn't really know it. I went
back to where I was working and I

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was just sitting there listening, and
I mean, within hours, they're sitting

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there seeing Osama been lading Osama bin
lading it, and I'm like, how

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in the world would they know that
this man has done something that quickly?

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So I think red flags started going
up pretty quickly. But I was still,

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I guess, dumb to the truth
and the fact that you know,

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we're being fed all these things through
the TV, and so I started really

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digging through and trying to find,
you know, what I believed. And

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I don't know how long it was
after nine to eleven, but it's probably

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a few years after, but I
know that I was so upset with the

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way Bush handled things that I'm like, man, I cannot vote for this

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man, Um, this is this
is crazy. So I started digging in

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and I don't know if you remember, um Callie, the first video I

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ever watched, I think it was
called in Plane Sight, and I'm just

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like, Wow, this is powerful
stuff. Holy cow, what's going on?

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And you know, years later here
we are now married, Gallie,

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I'll see you. It's been eight
years at this point. And early on

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in my marriage, I brought my
wife in and I'm like, hey,

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babe, I want you to watch
these videos. And at this point I

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can't even remember what video it was. Gosh a new Pearl Harbor. I

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forget what the video was. It
was like four and a half hours.

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I'm just like, what do you
think about nine to eleven? And she's

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like, no, I don't know. It's it is what it is.

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And I'm like, what if we
did it? And she's like, okay,

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I'll sit down and humor you and
watch these videos. So I got

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her to watch the videos and her
first words afterwards were wow, we did

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it. And I was like yeah, so you know. I. I

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also contacted the navy brother of mine, who is one of my best friends

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and still like a big brother to
me, and I was like, hey,

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man, what do you what do
you think about nine to eleven?

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And got the same thing, and
I'm like, do me a favor watch

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these videos, and it really changed
his mind as well. So nine eleven

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was just kind of that first bite
that wow, our government may not always

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tell us the truth, you know. I know you talk a lot about

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the Challenger, and I remember I
here in Tennessee, actually lived in Virginia

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at that point, but our school
system was out due to snow that day,

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and I remember watching that shuttle blow
up four hundred times on TV,

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you know, and so I was
getting programmed as a child that hey,

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this is you know, this is
truth. Anyway, after nine eleven,

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my journey kind of hit on the
Moon. And my mother's always told me

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that my great grandfather never believed that
we went to the Moon, and I'm

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like, wow, okay, maybe
I'm maybe I'm a lot like him,

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even though I didn't get to spend
a lot of time with him. And

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I started researching, and that's one
of the biggest things about the Moon that

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kind of helped me later with flat
Earth was the Van Allen Belts. You

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know, I'm hearing all these people
that still believe in planets, as the

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you know, prescribe on TV and
all this, but they're stating, Okay,

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the Van Allen Belts, there's no
way we could have made it to

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the Moon. You'd have to have, you know, six foot of lead

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to protect these guys from cancer and
things like that to get them to the

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Moon and back. And that's where
I was just like, this is really

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interesting, you know. So I
guess I always knew that there was some

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type of barrier that would not allow
us to get to you know, what

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I perceived back then as outer space. So I started watching hundreds of videos

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and I'm like, wow, there's
just so many inconsistencies with these guys going

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to the moon. You know,
they come back and they look like they're

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miserable, you know, kind of
like what you've said on many broadcasts before.

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I would be like, you know, signing autographs, I'd put my

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hand on a Bible and say,
yeah, of course, a thousand dollars.

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You know, I went to the
moon. You know, these guys

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are like miserable. So, you
know, after I kind of squared away

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my thoughts with the Moon, um, I kind of jumped over to Sandy

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Hook and man, I spent GOLLI
a lot of hours on you know,

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just that type of stuff. I
remember coming across this one video of this

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kid in a yellow hoodie where he
would just walk around just yes, yes,

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you know they call it the zombie
video, I think, and I'm

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just like, what he is going
on? And then I just started noticing

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all these other people just walking around
like ants, you know, and I'm

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just like, Okay, there there's
something going on here. So, you

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know, whenever they deconstructed that school, they made everybody sign a gag order,

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and I'm just like, why would
you have someone sign a gag order?

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You know, kids have been shot
here, they may see bullet holes,

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blood, whatever. Why would you
need to sign a lifetime gag to

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order for this? You know.
And then of course you've mentioned uh,

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Jim fetzer Man, and I've read
his books, a couple of his books,

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and they're they're just an light to
hear. I think he said he's

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sick, he's he's healed and he's
done better. And he actually I think

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he's back on the radio as of
last week. Oh that's great. That's

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yeah. He was out for a
few weeks. I think he had a

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hard issue, but it was taken
care of and he recovered. God bless

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him. He's he's eighty three and
he he does three radio shows a week

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and he writes articles. He's full
steam ahead. Man. It's impressive.

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Yeah. Yeah, So I would
read some of his stuff about Sandy Hook.

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He had one book that was pretty
much banned. And and then there

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was a guy Wolfgang how Big Yeah. Would watch some of his videos and

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man, he just went after this
whole thing. And I'm just like,

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okay, you know, so I've
got nine to eleven, I've got the

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Moon, I've got Sandy Hook.
So I came across this video from a

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guy named Neil Kramer on Veritas Radio. He was speaking and it's it's called

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Stairway of Disbelief, and he explained
just conspiracies. And I always like to

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say conspiracies not always conspiracy theory,
right, that's right. Theory is something

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that we have no proof of or
or a little proof of, whereas a

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conspiracy, you know, it's it's
a lot different. So anyway, I

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was listening to this Stairway of Disbelief
and he talks about people and how you

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know they may not be ready for
flat Earth if they've not taken that first

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step. You know, how do
you encourage someone? And you know,

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when you think about our families and
friends who may look at us like crazy

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people, you know, oh my
gosh, there's a flat earther um.

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Maybe they've not taken that first step, and you know, he talks about,

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like that first step it may be
that, Okay, if if you

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realize that JFK may not have been
assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, that may

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be your first step. You know, that that next step that we didn't

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find WMD's in Iraq, right you
know. Um, So you keep going

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up the staircase and he's like,
okay, nine to eleven, maybe right

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up, you know, to the
middle of the staircase that it wasn't perpetrated

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by nineteen hijackers. Um, you
know, keep going up. Mass shootings

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may be faked, you know.
And one of the big ones that that

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he steps on that I that I
like is, you know, the media

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has never been fair or truthful.
When you go back to Operation Mockingbird Man,

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you've got to congre national hearing in
like nineteen seventy five. Yeah.

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Yeah, So they're sitting there talking
about you know, do you have CIA

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operatives in the media, And you
know, this guy's like, hey,

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I think we need to talk about
this in executive hearings, and it's like,

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well, that's just stating yes,
we do. You know. So,

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uh, you know, you keep
going up this staircase, and it's

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like, I think, with each
step you take, you know, mine

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nine to eleven, the moon,
you know, school shootings, things like

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that. As you keep going up, you get to a place where you're

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just like, Okay, yeah,
I'm willing to listen. You know,

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I may not believe this next step
yet, but I'm willing to listen.

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And you know what he says at
the very end of this thing is when

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you reach the top and you know, he's already mentioned flat Earth at some

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point, you know, talking about
the sun and moon. Aren't that fall

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far away? And you know what
if there is no gravity and Earth is

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flat? But when he says you
get to the top, you find out

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that God is real and he loves
you. And I'm just like, man,

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this is probably one of the best
twelve thirteen minutes of audio that I've

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ever heard in my life. So
I don't know, pretty awesome stuff.

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Yeah it is. It is very
powerful, and you know, you can

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also you know, almost connect something
to you know, someone who's just starting

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out in basic math, and you
give somebody who who is just starting in

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basic math, you know, advanced
geometry tests. They're just not ready for

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it. And We've also talked in
the past how you know there are different

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levels to conspiracy theories. There's some
things that you can say in public at

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the watercooler at work nine to eleven
GfK, those type of things. They're

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the first step type of things,
and then you get into other things if

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you say it, if you get
into germ theory, if you get into

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flat earth, you're going to get
the hey, you know, George's the

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kokie guy at the office type of
thing. But that's exactly what it is.

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And for folks who have not heard
it before, we're going to stitch

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it to the end of this podcast. So when we end this podcast,

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don't go anywhere. We're going to
play the thirteen or fourteen minutes of the

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audio that is I believe Neil Kramer
on Veritas Radio and it is named the

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Staircase of Disbelief, and it's really
tremendous. I'm sure many of you have

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heard it. If you had it. If you have it, you're in

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for a treat. And I think
it really lends cretis to the fact.

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One of the reasons you know we
talk about it here with all the different

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guests that we have, is you
know, how can we get people to

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accept it or at least look into
it. And it does go directly into

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what he discusses, which is the
staircase of disbelief. Yeah, you know,

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George, one of the things I'm
sitting here thinking about, you know,

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my own walk up that staircase and
along the way. It seems like

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a lot of family members and friends
have looked at me like, Okay,

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he's a conspiracy theorist, and of
course I've I've changed that to know I'm

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a conspiracy analyst. You know,
yes, I'd like to look into things.

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thought I was going to be asked
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eleven with people who like me and
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and you know, a lot of
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this is true, then I served
for nothing? Or what did I served

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for? Am I serving? You
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I remember, I think it was
my cousin called me one time and

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he said, hey, we talked
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about how you don't believe we went
to the moon. Like you know,

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I feel honored that I was spoken
of about your dinner and I wasn't even

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there, you know, to defend
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I don't know's it doesn't bother me
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think one of the biggest things that
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of lies. And number one,
if you just disagree with someone, then

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you've got to fear or hate that
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someone, you've got to agree with
everything they say. And that's simply not

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the truth. It's not whatsoever,
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believe today. That's why this whole
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that these people have ever bought into, especially when it comes to history and

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things like that. It's just laughable. And what's really interesting when you talk

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about the audio again, folks,
you'll hear it at the end. The

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guy on Veritas radio, man,
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Oh my goodness. Anyway, that's
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Yeah, my mind goes fifty different
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two things that September eleventh and New
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link. Put that in the show
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about, how you know, folks
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during wartime, it can be very
angry. And that's something that I went

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through. But there's a movie called
nine to eleven. I'm sorry, JFK

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to nine to eleven. Everything is
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another one of these three or four
hour documentaries, but it really talks about

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how, you know, our life
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sixty three, and you know these
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I mean, Vietnam for no reason. They send they lied about that,

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right, and I know they mentioned
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about how they lied about the weapons
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fact. And there was a guy, a British MP who called out Tony

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Blair and he got murdered for it. These things are actual events that happened.

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So the fact that people we even
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especially after the blatant lies and tyranny
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can anybody call anybody conspiracy theorist anymore? Right, Yeah, it's it's unbelievable.

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conversions that I would. You know, one of my good friends, Mike,

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I was able to speak to him, and at first he wasn't ready.

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He's like, I don't know about
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I spoke of my navy buddy,
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into this. Uh my nephew who's
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he's he's starting to look at these
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some certain family members that have a
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lot, the truth is everybody's own
individual journey. And you know, I

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got an email a couple days ago
from my other podcast. He's been listening

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for four years and he's on board
with everything, but he still can't get

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on board with with flat earth.
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I said, listen, it's everybody's
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had Bart sabro On not too long
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percent we didn't land on the moon. But you know, for him to

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say that, I don't know about
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I have to respect that. And
I think that's where we should all

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be, is that. You know, if you don't like the color blue,

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great, you know, I still
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why do we have to make certain
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hate situation with people? I don't
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respect people's opinions. And if you
try to push it on it, you're

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simply going to push them away and
it's going to make it that much harder

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for the next person to try to
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one big piece of evidence that sold
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asked, because I, like I
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One of my clients came in and
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this guy came in when I was
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you think about flat Earth? And
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I'm forty six. I really never
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it. And he's like, why
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okay. The ironic part is this
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the globe and that's that's cool,
that's him. But he wanted to challenge

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me. He expand your mind and
see what you believe, because I believe

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his wife believed that. So I'm
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home. And I started looking up
Google facts you know, about Earth and

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math calculations and things like that,
and I was just like, all right,

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well, um, I'll take a
look at this. And when I

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started doing the math, and I
love math, like this stuff just doesn't

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add up. Either the Earth's way
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or the Earth is flat, you
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I started. But knowing a lot
about like the Navy stuff, and knowing

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that you know, of our communications
internationally is under the sea, I'm just

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like, okay, this is starting
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started reading Edward Henry's book, The
Greatest Lie on Earth, a fantastic book,

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and I ended up buying another book
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and it's more based around the Bible. And I'll admit I've not read

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all the way through that. His
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pages. They have to be ready
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whenever you're sitting down with one of
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started rereading the Bible and that's the
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there's been many of your listeners that
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to God or brought them closer to
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was kind of the hook for me. The Bible was the concrete. I

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started going back to Genesis one,
and I'm just like, wow, Like

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how often do we read the Bible
and just kind of skip over everything or

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we just take bits and pieces to
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you know, And I was just
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didn't speak audibly, but it almost
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for sure, and you know,
did you have any luck like with me?

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I immediately took the knowledge to my
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did, and how did that reception
go? I did before I go there,

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though, and you'll have to remind
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ADHD will kick in. What is
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I write down. I have pretty
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October thirty first of twenty nineteen,
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major dream that I have. And
because I do feel like God still speaks

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in dreams, you know, if
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why would he not do it now. I don't claim to be prophetic in

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any sense anyway, but I've had
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to come true to some fat or
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know, not in hole but in
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reading that dream book and just some
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and there was an entry in there
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real small but it was kind of
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therapist, I feel like everybody should, you know, seek counseling if they

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ever need it. I think everybody
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this was a time where I went
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yesterday, I started going to counseling
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dreams. In both dreams, I
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in a car at counseling. I
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like an incline, but logic says
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times we look at things from the
wrong perspective. What appears as a climb

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could only require forward movement to prove
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few days later I had another writing
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much of my life around, but
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breakthrough. The hinge is likely in
my faith, what separates me from ultimate

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freedom sin? What is the real
fear? My word today is perspective.

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look at my thought process and you
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you know, was this a precursor
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pretty powerful. So you were talking
about, you know, did I take

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these things to my wife? You
know, once I was concrete again,

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I'm like, okay, she's believing
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I hope that she doesn't think I'm
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this. But so I'm like,
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her. And I was like,
hey, babe, you remember you know

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nine to eleven and how I brought
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I'm like, will you just humor
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we sat down and she's like,
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and and it was a really I
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lying to me, but I think
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uh but again, you know,
it's like she's brought these things up with

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her family and kind of gets shot
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you know. And And now I
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way. I started reading books,
other books like Book of Nick. I've

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read through that at least one time
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in another version. Recently, I've
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is super small, it's like two
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lot to it that they found with
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fact I'll throw out there for somebody
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deep dive. I know there's a
I don't know a lot of thoughts on

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dinosaurs, and I don't know.
I've not done enough research to say yea

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or nay. You know. I
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you know, these behemoths with trees
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the dinosaurs were. But what's interesting
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in chapter three it names all these
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and then it goes on to put
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monsters and corruption filled the earth as
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thinking, all right, you know, we know about the nephylum and how

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that occurred. Yeah, you know, so what about the dinosaurs is this

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part of that? I don't know? You know. I mean, that's

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but I figured i'd throw it out
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that trail. It is interesting and
maybe that's that's the whole dinosaur thing.

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Thursday night, this is going to
drop Sunday night, Tomorrow night, Lifetime.

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The interview I did with Gary Wayne
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night, and you know, he
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giants, so that that's perfect segue
into our conversation we're having tonight. Well

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done, excellent, excellent, And
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for that. I'm sure I can
find a PDF copy online and drop the

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Book of Giants in the show description
as well for folks. Yeah. Literally,

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it is like fifteen chapters, two
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that I have. It's it's nothing, um, but I will say there's

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a lot of blanks in there.
You know, it'll it'll just be reading

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along and it's like the blank did
blank? You know, So it's you

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have to do a lot of deductive
reasoning on your own there, But it

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is what it is. Uh,
but you know, I think I guess

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the biggest thing with um, you
know, the flatter journey in the Bible

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life, I said, I feel
closer to God. Um, you know,

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could God make a galaxy with all
these planets and you know this continuation

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of time and space? Yes,
I don't. I don't ever want to

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put my God in a box by
any means and say that he couldn't do

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that. Of course I get that. I actually get that a lot from

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people who believe or you know,
Christians who believe in It's weird how they

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describe it. They don't really call
it just evolution that they call it like

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God's evolution, like he was responsible
for it. Like they try to say,

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well, yeah, it's not the
evolution that they talk about in your

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science class, but God was responsible
for it. And you know, it's

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kind of interesting how some people are
half scientism and half whether it's Christianity or

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whatever, how they kind of mold
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Yeah, I agree with you,
And like I said, I'm not

409
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going to put God in a box
and say he couldn't do that, right,

410
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But that's not what my Bible tells
me, you know, go back

411
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to Genesis and it talks about the
firmament, you know, and more than

412
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:02.799
anything I know, that is way
closer to me than what I ever imagined.

413
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.799
Whereas when I believed in space as
it is prescribed by others, I

414
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.000
felt like I was the speck of
dust, that I was meaningless, I

415
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:16.960
had no purpose, you know,
God didn't always see me, and man

416
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:22.680
did it ever change that perspective.
So I do feel like, and I

417
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:29.079
can't say for certain, but I
would feel like it would be harder for

418
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.359
unbelievers to believe in things like the
firmament and flat earth. Of course,

419
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:38.519
I know you've had a couple of
people on your podcast where they're not believers

420
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:44.480
or maybe they have a different belief
and so, but I do feel like

421
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.640
being a Christian is a little bit
easier for me to go down that path.

422
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.839
I don't know what are your thoughts
on that, George, You mean,

423
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.920
as far as having that conversation in
church with flat earth or well,

424
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.559
I just I don't know if it
would be that or I've opened up that

425
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.160
conversation to a lot of people,
but I just feel like, um,

426
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:13.079
and here's here's a sad confessional.
I feel like I've converted more people to

427
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.240
flat Earth than have to Christianity.
Yeah, and that that is something that

428
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.119
right, right, And listen,
you don't have to be a flat Earth

429
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.079
to gain entrance into heaven. Right. The most important part of this is

430
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.279
that you accept Jesus Christ in your
heart as your personal Lord and savior.

431
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.319
Right, and you ask for forgiveness
for your sins and your granted eternity in

432
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.519
heaven. That that is the ultimate
truth, right, that that is the

433
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.640
ultimate truth. At the same time, go ahead, go ahead. I

434
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:46.480
did find it interesting though my church, and I've seen tons of other churches

435
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.519
right now. You know, we're
in that vacation Bible School time period,

436
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:57.559
you know, before real school starts, and a lot of these churches around

437
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:02.359
here are doing something called Stellar VBS. Have you heard of this VBS,

438
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.559
like vacation Bible School. Yeah,
it is Vacation Bible School, but the

439
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.800
title of it is Stellar, It
doesn't I haven't heard that, no,

440
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:16.719
sir. And basically, it's all
this space theme. And so I went

441
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.320
into my church. I love my
church, but I'm just like, oh

442
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.880
my gosh, all this space stuff
on stage getting ready for Vacation Bible School.

443
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.199
I'm about to vomit and uh so, yeah, I'm just wondering if,

444
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:37.920
okay, are are they trying to
a lot of churches buy these programs,

445
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:43.280
these VBS programs, these resellers or
you know, these warehouses or whatever,

446
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:49.239
and it's like, Okay, they've
infected our schools with indoctrination science,

447
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.679
yeah, and indoctrination. Are they
trying to do that to the churches as

448
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.239
well? You know, if we
get them focused on space, they won't

449
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:01.239
believe in flat Earth certainly, and
they may not even focus on God,

450
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.920
you know. So not saying that
that they didn't try to promote Jesus and

451
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.760
God in the Stellar Vacation Bible School. I wasn't there. I can't attest

452
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.119
to that, but I'm certain it
was there. It's just wow, you

453
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.840
know, the space theme seems to
be everywhere, from candy bars to now

454
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.760
Vacation Bible School, right, yeah. And are you familiar with the ARC

455
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:29.679
encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky? Yes? Yes, and the Creation Museums pretty

456
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.320
close by there, right right.
And I don't remember one of my earlier

457
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.599
maybe it was episode twenty eight or
something. Do you remember Josh from the

458
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.800
Founded Earth Brothers? Yes, absolutely, So he went there like within the

459
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.519
last week or two, and they
do, they have schedules for every day,

460
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.159
and he went intentionally on a day
that the lecture was there is no

461
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:59.800
such thing as flat Earth. And
he went there and when it was turned

462
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.960
over to the audience for questions,
they shut him down pretty quick. And

463
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.119
he was even trying to, you
know, quote Bible verses and stuff,

464
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.639
which is very interesting because they're you
know, I've heard a lot of good

465
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:15.159
things about them with the arc,
and I think they actually have a lot

466
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:27.000
of educational opportunities on their website.
But again, and this is something when

467
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.199
I was talking and again, everybody
has their own journey to the truth,

468
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:35.280
but I had Gary Wayne on and
talking about Genesis six and the Nephelum,

469
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.599
and right, we talk about how
literal the words are, and then I

470
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.480
asked him, I said, well, if we look at the King James

471
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:49.679
version of the Creation story and then
you fast forward to I think it's Genesis

472
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.880
eleven, the tower Babbel, right, And I said, it literally says

473
00:36:53.960 --> 00:37:00.000
that they used bricks and mortar,
like it wasn't used as a as an

474
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:08.159
analogy or anything. So but he
it's again, it's trying to get that

475
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:14.760
stairway built from from the bottom floor
to JFK to flat earth. And I

476
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.679
forget what the other one he compared
it to flat earth and something else.

477
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.760
I know that the other big one
he had mentioned during that awesome fourteen minute

478
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.199
staircase of disbelief was the truth about
World War Two. And that's another one

479
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.480
we talk about nine to eleven and
me and my generation. Well you look

480
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.239
at you know, they call the
greatest generation and World War Two in the

481
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.199
history that you know, a lot
of people question as well, and then

482
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.840
you have to ask yourself, well, how long has this been going on?

483
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:45.480
M definitely, yeah, it's uh, you know, I know there's

484
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.599
a lot of good hearted people out
there, and I'm certain the people at

485
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.280
the arc, uh, you know, have good intentions. I think it's

486
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.800
kind of cool for people to visualize
those type of things and you know,

487
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.079
take the walk and just see,
Wow, what was it like to of

488
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.159
on this art for a year?
You know, the rain for forty days,

489
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.599
forty nights, but they're on this
thing for a year, you know,

490
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.039
I don't know. I think there's
a lot of good hearted people with

491
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:15.719
good intentions, but it's I don't
know, they're just so ingrained in what

492
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.320
they learned in school. You know, it's like, hey, you know,

493
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.239
welcome to kindergarten, George. This
is a globe and this is where

494
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.440
you live. And you're just like
okay, yeah, okay, I buy

495
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.360
that. I don't know any different, right, and you go your whole

496
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.440
life. So I think these adults
are just at a point where maybe change

497
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.360
is really difficult for them, right, yeah, honey, Robbins. I

498
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.599
had a quote one time that,
let me see if I can remember something

499
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:51.239
like change doesn't occur until the pain
of change is less than the pain of

500
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:58.039
staying the same, you know,
And that's very true. You want to

501
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.880
change your body, you want to
work out. No pain, no gain

502
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.119
is what they say. Right there, you go, So you know,

503
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.880
one thing unless you want to take
it somewhere. I just know I just

504
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:14.760
wanted to add one thing before I
forget um, and it was m IF.

505
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.920
And I've got dozens of emails,
and that's probably low to prove the

506
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.519
point that flat earth leads people back
to God or leads them to God?

507
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.199
Is there an inadvertent chance that that
outer space can people can lead people away

508
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:37.920
from God inadvertently? M that's a
good question. Um, well, especially

509
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.480
when you get into you turn on
scientism and all that other stuff. Go

510
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:44.800
ahead, Yeah, I was gonna
say, if you turn on the TV

511
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:50.840
here in the past day or two, you've got these hearings UFOs and stuff.

512
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.920
So it's like they're doing their best. Of course, I'm sure right

513
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.079
now, it's kind of like,
hey, look over here. Uh you

514
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.719
know, there's certain other people in
the news we don't want. Certainly as

515
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.559
a coincidence that it's stirring Hunter Biden's
trial. It was pure coincidence. Yeah,

516
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.480
yeah, So you know, I
think whenever they start that and if

517
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:13.719
if you look into the whole Project
Blue Beam thing, uh wow, that

518
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:19.559
that's just a whole other avenue.
And so I think, yes, they

519
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.159
will try to lead people away from
God. And I don't know that's that's

520
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:30.800
just where they use space. I
mean apparently they already are. So I

521
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.639
don't know. It's interesting. Indeed, which avenue I knew? You had

522
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.000
a lot of notes, Um,
which way do you want to go?

523
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:42.360
Um? So, one thing I
wanted to mention was the P one thousand

524
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.760
camera. I've ended up buying one. I'm like, I want to look

525
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.360
at this stuff myself. So I've
made several trips to the beach. I've

526
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.719
done a cruise. Um. You
know. I love going out there,

527
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:59.760
just kind of checking things out and
I'll find markers on maps to find out

528
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.760
how how far away am I.
And you know, I've taken pictures from

529
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.280
I know, I've got confirmed pictures
twelve and seventeen miles out, you know,

530
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:14.800
things like that. But one thing
that I would really love is if

531
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:20.960
there's somebody on the other side of
this flat plane, especially Australia somewhere like

532
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:25.760
that. I've actually emailed Lauren a
couple of times that you had on the

533
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.639
show, you know, way back, Yeah, and you know, we've

534
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.119
we've conversed a little bit and I
was like, hey, I would love

535
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.800
to take some pictures at the same
time of the moon or whatever, you

536
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.679
know, that would be awesome.
And she said, well, my equipment's

537
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.800
not that great, but I would
love if if any of your listeners,

538
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:51.599
you know, want to email me
or whatever and maybe hook up at certain

539
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.440
times to take different pictures and just
see what we see. You know,

540
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.280
I think that'd be awesome. That
would be awesome. Somebody had mentioned to

541
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.280
me the other day that emailed me
from Australia and they said, you know

542
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.639
what's funny, falling stars fall the
same way here in Australia as they do

543
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.360
in North America. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, I've never seen a falling

544
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:14.400
star quote, you know, float
up, float up? Yeah, exactly,

545
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:19.199
So I don't know, I've never
seen that. Oh man, man.

546
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.159
I did want to talk a little
bit on the psychology side while we

547
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.320
still got time on the colt.
You go right ahead. You know,

548
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.039
there's a saying that says, if
it will shatter your vision of reality,

549
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:36.239
you need to ask yourself do you
choose sorrow of knowledge or the bliss of

550
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.320
ignorance? And you know, I
feel like there's a lot of people who

551
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:45.199
seek safety in their thought process,
and you know, when you do challenge

552
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.679
them, you know, if you
say, hey, I knew you.

553
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.280
I knew you were watching the moon
landing when you were in school or whatever,

554
00:42:54.280 --> 00:43:00.679
or listening to it on the radio
or whatever. If you challenge them,

555
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.320
it's almost like, Okay, if
I choose to research this, then

556
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:10.480
everything that I've really thought my entire
life is a lie. And if that's

557
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:14.320
a lie, then what else is
a lie? You know, we've kind

558
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.840
of talked about the big batman up
in the north pole, right, and

559
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.559
you know, if if that was
a lie, what else could be?

560
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:29.519
You know, we most of us
have figured that part out and we're okay

561
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:35.039
with that. Why are we not
okay with like you said, fact fact

562
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:40.639
searching for ourselves? But anyway,
I think cognitive dissonance and we hear that

563
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.000
a lot. That's one of the
biggest things out there where you've got this

564
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:52.280
mental discomfort when you're holding these two
ideas that are conflicting, you know whatever,

565
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.840
if it's a belief of value,
you know, an attitude, and

566
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.360
and I think it's that discomfort that
kind of keeps people away from things like

567
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:07.639
flat earth. Chef Scott Fitzgerald had
a quote they said, the test of

568
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.440
a first rate intelligence is the ability
to hold two opposed ideas in the mind

569
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:17.119
at the same time and still retain
the ability to function. And it's like,

570
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.320
I think, with every one of
my steps up that staircase, that's

571
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.719
kind of what I looked at.
It's like, Okay, what tells me

572
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:30.519
that, you know, nineteen hijackers
really did do this nine to eleven thing?

573
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:36.400
You know, what tells me that
it didn't they didn't, And I

574
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:42.320
think we've got to be able to
look at those opposing ideas without immediately discounting

575
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.440
the other side, you know what
I'm saying. Absolutely, And and it

576
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.800
goes full circle back to your movie. September eleventh, the New Pearl Harbert,

577
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:59.280
Lieutenant Colonel Bowman, who was an
interceptor pilot for I think a decade

578
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.159
and a half, said there's no
way possible that an airplane could fly around

579
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.800
for an hour and forty minutes without
being intercepted. That that's a legitimate fact

580
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.599
from somebody who was in the cockpit
for fifteen of his however many years he

581
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.679
did in the military. And then
you present people with we can see too

582
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:22.079
far beyond the curve, that is
proof water finds its level, just thinking

583
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.639
that we're floating in space. And
I had mentioned to somebody in a conversation

584
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.840
the other day who believes that everything
is alive from JFK to nine to eleven,

585
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.039
literally, but the only thing that
they're not lying about is that the

586
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.400
Sun is ninety three million miles away
and we're hurtling through space and spinning and

587
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:44.800
doing this, and that that's the
only thing they're not lying about. Well,

588
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.480
maybe they'll take that extra step up
the stairs one day, right right,

589
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.920
And that's the thing, and it's
and it's not even a thing where

590
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.800
people will say, even in the
truth community. When I had my radio

591
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.480
program, that was a no no, they don't talk about flat earth on

592
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.880
on the Radio police because you'd get
obliterated in the comments. Now, I

593
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.800
do think that we have, even
just within the last few years, I

594
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.519
think we have seen a lot of
progress in the community and it's not quite

595
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:15.039
as divisive as it was a few
years ago. But I still hear very

596
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:22.199
prominent truthers on say RBN, Republican
broadcast Radio, Republic excuse me, a

597
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:28.119
broadcast radio and other big independent truther
radios that will hit the delete button,

598
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.840
will hit the end button if a
caller calls in and even whispers the world

599
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.559
flatter. So as truth community,
if you're going to have the mantra,

600
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.760
question everything and then hang up on
somebody, whether it's the non play,

601
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.119
the no playing theory, or flat
Earth, then we're not doing our jobs.

602
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.320
We're not doing our due diligence.
Yeah. I had actually looked at

603
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.880
doing a podcast and had a title
for it. I was going to call

604
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.840
it Under the Glass did the theme
song, was ready to rock and roll,

605
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.559
and I stumbled upon yours because I'm
like, okay, is there anybody

606
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.840
else that wants to integrate you know, biblical themes, Nephelum, giants and

607
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.519
flat Earth. And I did the
search and and like you said, you

608
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:14.599
know, I've left the flat Earth
name because that's how people find me,

609
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.159
and that's how I found you.
And so I'm like, well, this

610
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.519
guy's doing it pretty well. So
I think I'm just gonna let him do

611
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.599
it and just not be you know, another another place to go. You

612
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.599
know, I know there's room for
a lot of podcasts out there, but

613
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.679
my time can be spent elsewhere.
I think you're doing a fantastic job.

614
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.199
George. Well, I'll tell you, and I've said this, We've had

615
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:42.199
an incredible amount of people that have
gone off to do their own podcast.

616
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.719
Sometimes it just comes on. It
takes coming on a podcast and realizing oh,

617
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.440
hey, I can do this,
and they go off and do it.

618
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.519
And a lot of people have already
had success. And I always say,

619
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.880
the more voices we get out there, the better chance we can get

620
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.519
into somebody's algorithm. And you've got
a great cadence and a great voice.

621
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.559
You know, at least you just
consider doing a YouTube channel and doing something

622
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.199
like that because you're you're a pretty
smart guy, and you've you deliver the

623
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.480
words very well. Well. I
appreciate that a little bit southern, but

624
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.519
I try. You know, one
of the things that I was gonna bring

625
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.840
across you know, you talk about
homeschool and your kids, and kudos to

626
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.840
you, man, that's awesome.
Thanks. But whenever I talk to clients,

627
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.039
all use a scenario a lot of
times when they come in about changing

628
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.960
their beliefs, whether it's about,
you know, something they're depressed about,

629
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.039
anxious about, whether it's something in
grief, whatever it is, I use

630
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.519
this red sky, blue sky scenario, and I'll state, you know,

631
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.079
if you were homeschooled your entire life
and your parents taught you that the sky

632
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.000
was read, you know, that's
exactly what you're going to believe, You've

633
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.039
got zero reason to question. And
of course I know you you've said,

634
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.719
you know, you tell your kids, Hey, this is what they're teaching,

635
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.239
this is what mom and dad believe. Again, kudos to you,

636
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.639
that's awesome. But you know a
lot of people will come into the office

637
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.719
and if that was their their plea
that you know, the sky's red,

638
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.679
and I said, no, George, sky's blue. You've got this cognitive

639
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.400
dissonance, and you know you're going
to start disputing and pushing back, and

640
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:23.880
it's going to feel really uncomfortable at
first until I start showing you enough proofs,

641
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.880
until I bring enough people in to
say this is you know, the

642
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:36.360
sky really is blue. I don't
know it's I think it would be hard

643
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.880
to bring somebody in and change their
thoughts on you know, just a sky

644
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.599
color. So imagine what we're talking
about with flat earth right right. It

645
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.239
can be challenging. It is very
challenging. And I'm here as someone.

646
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:58.719
I'm here to tell you it was
two weeks and I can still see myself

647
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.519
walking circles in my bedroom at two
o'clock in the morning with my arms folded

648
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.159
and shaking my head because you know, here you are. You've lived the

649
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.840
first you know, forty close to
fifty years of your life believing you know,

650
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.079
it's like your basic core values,
right, the sun comes up in

651
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.960
the morning and it's that's in the
evening, and you live on a ball

652
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.800
and you know, and you're told
two things when you're a youngster. You

653
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:30.679
know, there's a fat guy who
lives at the North Pole, and you

654
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.199
live on a ball with all these
other planets. Right, how many people

655
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.920
have children and they have the crib
and they have all the planets hanging above

656
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:44.960
their crib. And everything from Sesame
Street all the way to when you graduate

657
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.840
to two Star Wars and everything else
is based on space. Every time you

658
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.440
go to the movie theater, what
is it open with a spinning ball of

659
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:58.519
some sort. And it's interesting that
even back in the early twenties when Universal,

660
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.119
they knew it was a spinning ball, and how everything looked before we

661
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:07.079
ever got a photo from nineteen sixty
nine thanks to the three astro Knots who

662
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:13.000
just happened to be Freemasons. When
Stanley Kubrick dropped his direct to TV movie

663
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.119
The Moon Landing on July twentieth,
nineteen sixty nine. Rights, it's just,

664
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:22.440
you know, it's this Bernasian.
I don't like to use the word,

665
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.840
but it's a mind screw. Let's
just say what this whole the whole

666
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.079
world is a lie. And that's
what I tell everything. That's how I

667
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.360
in a lot of the emails.
Almost everything that you are told is a

668
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.840
lie or at least questionable. On
the news, you're fed information that at

669
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:45.800
best is truth sprinkled with lies or
lies sprinkled with truth. Everything is done

670
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.320
for a reason. Like if you
watch I'm just going to pull a TV

671
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.960
show out of my head, Deadwood
that used to be on HBO. Right,

672
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:58.000
what do they do the whole movie? They drink And that is subconsciously

673
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:00.159
telling your mind, Oh, you
know, maybe I should get a drink

674
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.639
that looks cool. These guys look
cool. They're they're they're cowboys. They

675
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.679
have their boots and they're in Deadwood
and they got their you know, the

676
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.840
their boots up on the table and
the old bars and the women are walking

677
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.639
around and they're enjoying their whiskey.
Everything is done for a reason in this

678
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.480
world, in the matrix, I'll
call it. Yeah, And Georgia,

679
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.239
I do have to uh say,
I was mad at you one time whenever

680
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:30.239
you should leave it to Beaver because
that was one of my favorite shows too.

681
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.239
I'm not I'm not going back to
watch it again, but I'm like,

682
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.559
oh my gosh, a globe in
almost every episode of beginning me,

683
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.559
how did I miss it? You
know? And it's just it's programming it

684
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:45.960
is wow. Yea. You know, there's a few terms I would like

685
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:51.599
to throw out there to people and
just you know, when you think about

686
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:57.960
what we do, discount in what
we see and hear. Um. There's

687
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.079
a term called a pill two consensus, So that's you know, if a

688
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:05.559
large number of people believe something,
then it has to be true, right,

689
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.320
And then there's appeal to authority,
which means and you saw this like

690
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.119
in the whole Sandy Hood thing.
Let's put a guy in a lab coat

691
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.239
up there and Wayne Carter believe right, yeh yeah, yeah, Wayne Carver.

692
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:21.159
So you know somebody wears a lab
coat or badge, then it has

693
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.679
to be true. That's appealed to
authority. Yeah, And then there's credentials

694
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.400
fallacy, and people may say that
about you and I that you know,

695
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:34.159
somebody doesn't have the credentials. You
know, I'm not a rocket scientist.

696
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:37.679
I don't know about you, George
Open. So if we don't have the

697
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.280
proper credentials, then it can't be
true. And I think that's why a

698
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.880
lot of people in the truth community
get discounted that you know, they don't

699
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:50.519
have certain titles. But then you've
got people like professor Dave, who's not

700
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.159
a professor, right, and people's
just eating that stuff up right, absolutely,

701
00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.079
And I'm so glad you mentioned that
just now, because during the entire

702
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:05.440
year of twenty twenty and I'll say
towards the end of twenty twenty one,

703
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.840
we were getting kicked off social media. I had my PayPal taken away.

704
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:19.800
If you questioned COVID, the narrative
or the vaccine, you're deplatformed because again,

705
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.760
you don't have the expertise of a
person who has their degree on the

706
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.960
wall, right, Because Fauci was
he's the do all, say all,

707
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.159
he is the master of all.
And here we are two thirds of the

708
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.199
way through twenty twenty three. And
I don't say this with any joy whatsoever,

709
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:45.079
but there are young people dropping dead
every single day, and the even

710
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.320
reports coming out now that ninety three
percent of the people are getting sick are

711
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.480
vaccinated. And that's not me standing
up here saying haha, I told you

712
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:59.880
that's the same argument. When you
have a guy who's like Joe Buck,

713
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.480
who is one of the great play
by play guys of the NFL and Major

714
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.400
League Baseball, never played a day
in his life, never wore a uniform,

715
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.800
but he does the job well,
he has the knowledge. So you

716
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:15.960
don't have to have a degree on
your wall to have basic common sense.

717
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:22.800
Yeah, I didn't start counseling till
I was about forty two, and you

718
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.320
know, a lot of my life
I had a high school diploma, an

719
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.719
associate's degree. I sat on that
for a long time, and you know,

720
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:34.360
I lived out in the corporate world
and I enjoyed my job. But

721
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.960
I don't feel any more complete now
having that degree on my wall than I

722
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.199
did back when I graduated high school. In fact, you know, I

723
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.639
set out to, you know,
be the very best. And it's like,

724
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.719
Okay, whoever has the top grade
and whoever has the lowest passing grade

725
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.480
has the same degree on their wall. What does it really matter? You

726
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.039
know, nobody asked me like,
hey, what's your great point average?

727
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.119
One will make sure you're a good
therapist. Well, a great point average

728
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.960
doesn't make you a great therapist,
no period. You may not just be

729
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:15.239
a good test taker exactly. I
like that I have had life experience along

730
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.679
with Yeah, you know, the
degree, and uh, I don't know.

731
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.320
I hope that makes me a better
therapist, but no, I agree,

732
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:23.440
I would rather go. If I, if I had a choice,

733
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:28.599
I'm always going to choose. And
that's not to take away because I'm sure

734
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:35.000
there's some just great you know pastors
there, there's a great um you know,

735
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.400
folks like yourself out there who are
younger and just advanced in their wisdom.

736
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:46.440
However, um, you can't get
that type of wisdom without those life

737
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:50.920
lessons that older folks have gone through
that we we've had the bumps and the

738
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.840
bruises and we're like, oh,
okay, maybe I shouldn't do it this

739
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.599
way, and we can take that
knowledge and share it with the people we're

740
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.599
talking to. Yeah, it's uh. You know, I was speaking about

741
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:07.400
my previous counseling with a therapist and
I remember telling this individual it was like

742
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:09.320
the first time that I had said
it. But I'm like, I like

743
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:14.079
me and man, I broke down. I'm like, holy y'all, I've

744
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:19.039
never really said that. And it
was after I told her four of the

745
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.519
most difficult things that I've been through
in life, and it's like, wow,

746
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.599
I had to go through that garbage
to kind of be the guy that

747
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.679
I like. And you know,
if I if I I don't know,

748
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:34.719
you hear people say, I'd love
to go back knowing what I know now,

749
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.400
and I'm like, I wouldn't change
anything about my life, even those

750
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:44.599
those bumps and bruises along the way, because that who that's who molded me

751
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:49.719
or that's what molded me into the
guy that I like. So I don't

752
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.800
know, that's uh, that's just
it. I guess. Yeah. I

753
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.039
got that question all the time.
They say, hey, now that you

754
00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.800
know that nine to eleven was an
inside job, would you go back?

755
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:04.840
And No, I wouldn't. I
wouldn't change anything. That is exactly what

756
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.000
you said. Your life experience is
what makes you who you are and who

757
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:12.280
you are today. So no,
I wouldn't change a thing, absolutely not.

758
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:19.000
Yeah. Um, just thinking of
some other avenues I wanted to truck

759
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:29.719
down. One thing is there there's
um a very well known psychology website out

760
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:35.960
there, and they throw out quite
a bit of propaganda and some of the

761
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.440
things that they talk about, Like
you can just type in flat earth and

762
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.440
psychology and your eyes are going to
open wide to all this garbage that they're

763
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:51.559
trying to sell that. You know, there was something about I want to

764
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:54.440
shoot what was it? I may
even have it here. Yeah, researchers

765
00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:00.960
have found that this conspiracy mentality,
and I'll put that in quotation, correlates

766
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:07.199
with particular personality traits including low levels
of trust, increased need for closure,

767
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:14.880
feelings of powerlessness, low self esteem, paranoid thinking, and a need to

768
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.719
feel unique. And I'm like,
wow, Like you're you're basically telling these

769
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:24.559
people who want to do their own
backed researching and you know, own thought

770
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:29.800
process, that they've got to fit
into this box. And it's kind of

771
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:34.719
like, if if I were to
diagnose somebody with schizophrenia, I'm going to

772
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:39.280
say, Hey, you're sufferings from
schizophrenia or you have schizophrenia, not you're

773
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:45.400
schizophrenic. Right, that immediately says
you have to live in this box that

774
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.760
these people who you've never met have
written about in a book and prescribe to

775
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.639
your life. That's not fair to
anybody. You know. I don't care

776
00:59:52.719 --> 01:00:00.360
what mental disorder out there, it
is. So whenever you pull these things

777
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:06.400
up and they immediately discount people who
think differently than they do, It's like,

778
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:08.960
what else are these people selling?
You know? And I believe there's

779
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:14.840
really good things out in the mental
health community, for sure, but I

780
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:20.519
don't think that we can put everybody
in a box. No, you absolutely

781
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.800
can't. And I know one of
the barriers you probably have to deal with,

782
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:28.400
especially in the realms of therapy,
that kind of aligns with what we're

783
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.679
talking about today. I know there's
people out there who know in their heart,

784
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:37.119
like whatever, what they're doing or
what they're thinking is wrong, but

785
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:43.760
they just don't want to change.
Sure, yeah, there's that's why I

786
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:47.039
no longer see children like I'm an
eighteen and plus type of guy. In

787
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.119
fact, and you've before I say
my next comment, I'll say you've had

788
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.880
some young people on your show that
have been phenomenal. Oh yeah, when

789
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:00.599
I state this next comment, you
know there are some outlier But I honestly

790
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:07.039
wish that I didn't see anybody below, say age twenty three, because if

791
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.519
your mom or dad calls me to
set up the appointment, tells me you're

792
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.000
not at a place where you're ready
for counseling. And I really like to

793
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:21.440
work with people who see the value
in counseling and want to change. A

794
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:25.840
lot of people are not wanting to
change, and that's another reason why couples

795
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.760
counseling is super challenging. I do
that as well, and you've got one

796
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.079
person that comes in who's one hundred
percent wanting to save their marriage, and

797
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.519
you've got another person that's hanging on
by a fingernail. And sometimes you can

798
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:44.960
see you know, I never say
it, but it's like, all right,

799
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.159
this person is checked out. They're
done, you know. And I

800
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.079
will do anything in the world to
save a person's marriage. But when you

801
01:01:53.159 --> 01:02:00.119
see these people who are sitting on
polar opposite ends of the world, Um,

802
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:06.000
I don't know, it's it's tough. So I like people who see

803
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:10.760
the value of wanting to change.
Sure, I'm sure you have a greater

804
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:15.760
level of success with people who want
to go to counseling than people who say

805
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:21.559
have to go to counseling. Absolutely, And you know, it's it's nothing

806
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.199
against kids. I have counseled kids
before in the past. It's just not

807
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:28.960
my forte. And there are other
great therapists who can do that, so

808
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.719
I leave that up to them.
Um. You know, they say you

809
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:37.639
can miss life by eighteen inches and
that's distance from head to heart, right,

810
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:44.320
that's right, And I think that's
part of change. You know that

811
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.840
we have to learn to sink those
two Your heart will lie to you,

812
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.800
you know, it's your feelings aren't
always truthful with you. No, it's

813
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:59.440
I think emotions, you know.
And if you're angry or disappointed, that's

814
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.920
that's like taste buds. You just
that's what your mind is saying, and

815
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:08.719
there's nothing to change there. But
if I feel that George hates me or

816
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:14.599
thinks I'm stupid, is that accurate? Just because I feel it, you

817
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:19.840
know what I'm saying. So I
don't know. I feel like I'll tell

818
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.559
you what, man. I read
this book very recently. I do a

819
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:28.679
lot of work with grief, and
that is one of my favorite things to

820
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.599
work with. And if you think
about grief, we all grieve in some

821
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:37.119
way. You know, you live
long enough and you will have lost people

822
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.679
in your life, you know,
but we've all lost a job, or

823
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:45.920
a relationship or a wallet or whatever
it is. You know, we've we've

824
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:52.360
all lost. But there's a book
out there called The Grieving Brain by Mary

825
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:57.239
Francis O'Connor that I've recently read.
And what I like about the book is

826
01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:01.920
it has talked about in all in
this fact, I will say science versus

827
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:08.719
emotion, So it's pretty cool book. But in the book, she talks

828
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:14.440
about these two worlds that we have. One is a virtual world, not

829
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.800
like a virtual reality, but a
virtual world where everything that you've you know,

830
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:24.480
had to eat, everything that you've
read, every conversation that you had,

831
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:29.119
it's all being uploaded into your brain
on a daily basis. So your

832
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:34.000
mind says, hey, my world
is this way, and as long as

833
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:41.039
everything is kosher and everything's running smoothly, your real world matches up with that.

834
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.079
So if you have a loss,
like in you do, lose a

835
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:53.920
loved one, whatever it's there's a
fracture there in your real world no longer

836
01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:00.199
matches that virtual world. And that's
why there's all this discomfort. I feel

837
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:06.000
like whenever you're going down, say
the flat Earth path, that there's something

838
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:12.760
very similar there. And I call
it awakenings in life, kind of like

839
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.639
the Santa Claus thing, when when
you were awakened to that, you can't

840
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:21.599
go back to an unknowing, right. And I feel like with flat Earth

841
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:27.400
and you start taking on this information
and really any rabbit hole that you want

842
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:32.599
to go down, if you take
on these things, your virtual world no

843
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:39.599
longer matches up with that real world, and it hurts. So they just

844
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:45.679
think of the real world as your
real time experience. In fact, she

845
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.679
did this study with rats that was
really cool. I'm a big fan of

846
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.480
rats studies. But they would send
these rats in and there was like this

847
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:58.880
tower of blue legos, and of
course they had the little brain map thing

848
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:02.599
on this rat as it would passed
through, and they started figuring out that

849
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:08.880
there was these neurons that kept firing
called object cells or that's what they named

850
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:13.760
them, and that tells us where
things are in life. So once they

851
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:17.679
figured that out, they removed the
blue legos and started sending this rat through

852
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:23.639
again and they found this other set
of neurons that would fire, and they

853
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:28.480
named them object tray cells, and
that's there was something here before, but

854
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:32.880
it's no longer there. And you
know, in grief, it's the same

855
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:36.039
thing. When we lose someone that's
like wow, it takes a lot of

856
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:43.039
passes back through that maze, just
like the rat before those neurons start settling

857
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:47.840
down. And I think whenever you're
looking at something like blad Earth or nine

858
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:53.480
eleven or JFK, whatever it is, I think there's going to be that

859
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:58.840
discomfort, But then it becomes almost
second nature, so you know, you

860
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:02.960
were talking about Star Wars Wars earlier, and kudos to one of your previous

861
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:09.440
guests just recently who said they still
like to kind of zone out and watch

862
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:13.239
some of the space movies. Sure, I can't. I can't stomach Star

863
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.559
Wars or Mars or any of those
movies anymore. And yeah, it's really

864
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:21.199
hard. Um, And I will
say that I know you're up in the

865
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:26.719
Philadelphia area huge. I'm a huge
Flyers fan. I've heard you talk about

866
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.519
the Flyers man. Man, it's
been a heartbreak for forty No, it's

867
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:33.480
almost fifty years now. Oh my
gosh, seventy five the last time they

868
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:38.280
want a cup, that's right.
So yeah, I not know. We

869
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:44.199
all need a place to zone out, but I just I can't stomach that

870
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:48.239
stuff anymore. So I feel like
my real world is, or my virtual

871
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:54.760
world is starting to mend with that
fracture that my real world placed whenever I

872
01:07:54.800 --> 01:08:00.559
started learning about all these things.
Um, you know that sometimes we've got

873
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:05.039
to recall that we can't work our
way back to a place yeah no longer

874
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:12.239
exists, right, it's we're away, we're awake, and that's just a

875
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:17.079
tough place to be in life.
Yeah, and that is yeah, you're

876
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:23.279
you're one hundred percent. And I
mentioned that sometimes in a weird way,

877
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.359
I kind of long for the days
when you could just sit down and kind

878
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:30.279
of watch a movie or watch sports. Now, even if I watch a

879
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.520
movie, I'm not even watching the
main story. I'm looking in the background

880
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:40.880
for numbers and symbols and freezing and
it's just ridiculous. But you can't.

881
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.319
You're right once. And that's another
speaking of movies, it's very much like

882
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.600
the Matrix. Once you take the
red pill that there is literally no going

883
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.119
back. And like you said,
it's a journey, and it's a very

884
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:56.279
emotional journey for many people. I've
had people on that said it, you

885
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:58.479
know, I kind of figured it
and that and for those people, it's

886
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:03.159
like they must be very receptive to
the world and have been kind of hipped

887
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.720
everything, and maybe I think a
lot of it goes back to their parents

888
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:11.319
that are open. I wanted to
ask you this, what are your thoughts

889
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.920
because, like again with children,
you're told two things that you know,

890
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.199
you live on a globe and Santa's
real. As I'm going to ask you

891
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:24.439
this as first as a therapist and
secondly as just Brad, what are your

892
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:30.760
thoughts on the whole Santa's story and
telling children basically a lie. Well,

893
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:36.760
I have to say that this is
Christmas is a weird story for me,

894
01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:45.000
but I'll throw it out there.
I'm fairly transparent, and my dad left

895
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:50.560
my home the day after Christmas whenever
I was about I think fifteen, either

896
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:56.840
fourteen or fifteen, and so Christmas
kind of left a sour taste in my

897
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.000
mouth for many years. And I'll
say that me and my dad are best

898
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.640
friends. It's you know, all
of my family gets along. It's really

899
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.560
weird. Even my dad and mom
get along, and you know they're both

900
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:11.920
remarried and everything's cool. But you
know, as a child, as a

901
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:17.159
fifteen year old child, when that
happens, and let me throw this out,

902
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:23.800
that weird fact. Literally, the
day after Christmas that year was the

903
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:27.920
first time I ever saw a falling
star with my own eyes. It really,

904
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.199
yes, I promise, it was
crazy, and I just I kind

905
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.399
of took that as a sign from
God that hey, you know, I

906
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:39.760
see you, You're gonna be okay, and you know here I am,

907
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:44.720
I guess I am. But you
know, so Christmas left a really sour

908
01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:46.880
taste in my mouth at that point. But when I have my own daughter,

909
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.600
things changed and it's like, wow, that love for Christmas kind of

910
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:56.479
came back. I could celebrate with
her and you know, just kind of

911
01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.680
create that. And I grew up
in a church too that we didn't really

912
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:06.800
celebrate Christmas as Jesus's birthday either,
so I'll throw that out there. So

913
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:15.319
it was always surrounded around Santa.
So you know, after my daughter grew

914
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:19.840
up in things, it's like,
I still carry on. I love being

915
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:24.000
Crosby, man. I love to
listen to some good old Being Crosby at

916
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:32.439
Christmas or any time for that matter. But I don't know. Um knowing

917
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:39.279
you you kind of had a challenge
its terrible episodes ago when you were talking

918
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:43.760
about the North Pole, and you
know, a lot of people don't really

919
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.079
do a lot of digging into the
North Pole. You know, we always

920
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:51.960
focus on Antarctica and South Pole type
of thing, but never look at North

921
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:59.720
Pole. So I don't know.
And again, I've only been i'll just

922
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:03.199
say a flat earther since you know, a year and a half ago at

923
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:09.479
this point, So I don't know
if I really even thought about it this

924
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:16.119
past Christmas but I guess to each
their own and and you know, I

925
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:21.880
won't take away that. But when
you think about all the things where Santa

926
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:28.960
okay, we're only one letter off
in Satan, yes, And it's like

927
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:32.479
who created this? And why are
we taking the focus off of the real

928
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:38.399
North Pole? Um, you know? And why are we taking our focus

929
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.680
off of, you know, the
birth of the Savior, regardless if he

930
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:45.159
was born on December twenty fifth or
not. Right, I don't know.

931
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:50.840
I just there's a big part of
me that will probably always celebrate the hallmark

932
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:58.600
type of Christmas. But but we
know, right, you know, And

933
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:03.000
and it's uh again, it's one
of those awakenings when you learn that this

934
01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:08.079
isn't what it used to be or
this isn't true, it does lose some

935
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:14.720
of that luster indeed, and that
again at the emotional attachment, the memories

936
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.239
of you know, being little,
waking up and running down and seeing the

937
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:23.399
presence or even with our church,
we used to, uh, you know,

938
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:26.239
a couple of days before Christmas,
we would go out on the evening

939
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:30.920
and we'd uh do Christmas caroling to
the shut ins and different people, and

940
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.680
uh, you know, there's an
emotional attachment to Christmas. But but you're

941
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:39.239
right, as you get older and
you kind of especially once you're in the

942
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:44.600
truth community, and you kind of
realize there are some different aspects to Easter

943
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:50.199
and m and Christmas. But again, I think as long as you keep

944
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:54.640
the focus, you know, if
you keep your hands on the steering wheel

945
01:13:54.640 --> 01:14:00.159
and your high straight ahead, and
you really put those things forward. And

946
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:02.319
with all that being said, again, to each their own. Everybody has

947
01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:05.680
their own journey to the truth.
I'm not here to tell anybody how to

948
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:11.439
live their life. It's just something
that as I've gotten older, I've questioned

949
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:16.880
myself, like, is it okay
to lie to my child about this?

950
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:21.199
And even my littlest one, you
know, my oldest four they were all

951
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:26.680
on board and everything, but even
my littlest one, she never really bought

952
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.000
the whole Santa thing. That's interesting. Yeah, she's she's a little conspiracy

953
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.560
theorist in the house. She's like, what you're telling me? This guy

954
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:39.439
who number one is out of shape? Right, I can't fit down half

955
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.800
the chimneys. We don't even have
it, you know. It's just she

956
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:48.520
was very funny about the whole thing. But it is interesting that you know,

957
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:53.760
in hindsight. It's just interesting that
we're okay with starting children off with

958
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:56.720
a lie and then saying, well, that's not really true, but the

959
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.680
ball yeah, that's that's still true. Yeah, I don't know. I

960
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:08.399
encourage everyone to seek truth, whether
it's truth in their own life or truth

961
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.479
out in the world. And I
think that's the best thing that we can

962
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.920
do, is encourage our kids to
seek that truth from from an early age,

963
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:20.920
whether it's Santa Claus, Easter Bunny
to you know, Christ to everything,

964
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:27.159
um, you know, just find
truth and of course you know truth.

965
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:32.079
I don't believe that truth is relative, right, relative truth to belief.

966
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:38.560
Truth changes based on the individual's understanding
of it, right, whereas absolute

967
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:43.039
truth is true regardless of how a
person thinks or feels about it. So

968
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:49.279
I think we have to look at
truth and encourage truth and you know,

969
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:54.079
as you say, drop some breadcrumbs
along the way, but we have to

970
01:15:54.159 --> 01:16:00.119
let people be individuals to absolutely on
one thousand percent. We're at like the

971
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:02.560
the fifteen minute warning. So I
told you I would say, you know,

972
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.079
ask you to look at your listen. Was there some things that we

973
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:10.159
haven't touched on yet that you wanted
to get into you know, we've covered

974
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.920
a lot of what I wanted to
talk about. I certainly appreciate you know,

975
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.960
you're letting me come on. You
know you always ask for for final

976
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.800
thoughts, and you know I had
one out there. I was just kicking

977
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:25.279
around the other day, and I'll
throw it out there. And I'm sure

978
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:30.159
you know, there's probably some quote
scientists that could try to put me in

979
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:33.800
my place over this thought. But
you know, I've been out on the

980
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:39.000
ocean several times, but I was
thinking, Okay, if I'm in the

981
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:44.279
middle of the ocean, I can't
see land anywhere in sight, then I

982
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:47.359
should be on the tallest, flattest
part of the Earth. For me,

983
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:53.760
in that position, if I were
on a globe right right, why does

984
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:59.479
the view of the ocean still elevate
from that point? I should immediately be

985
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:04.600
looking over or straight out. But
that horizon, as we know, always

986
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:12.079
comes to eye level. So I
just wondered that, and I would love

987
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:16.159
for someone to explain that to me. You know, it's like I should

988
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:23.279
be on the highest point of the
earth if on a globe, and of

989
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.760
course I don't believe that I am, but nobody ever talks about that.

990
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:30.800
I did see Dave Weiss with a
picture and I think he've even mentioned this

991
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:34.560
on your podcast at some point where
he just puts a few lines up and

992
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:38.920
says, okay, which line is
higher than the other, and then he

993
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:44.039
puts up this picture and you're like, okay, then yeah, this this

994
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:50.199
actually should be lower in this picture
than you know, the ocean or the

995
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:56.359
sand. Have you seen that picture? Yes, it's amazing. Yeah.

996
01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:01.720
Yeah. So it's like sometimes our
eyes will lie to us. But at

997
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:05.479
the same time, I pass a
lot of lakes and things where I'm at,

998
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:10.319
and I'll drive by in the morning
headed to work, and I just

999
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:15.560
look out and it's just as calm
as being perfectly still. Yeah, thousand

1000
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:18.960
miles an hour, right, Yeah, it's uh, I don't know.

1001
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:27.000
Yeah. And I have two questions
to ask you, one being why do

1002
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:30.640
people I guess I could ask this
for Brad the therapist. Why are people

1003
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:35.680
so quick to believe someone else because
whether they have a lab coat on or

1004
01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:42.000
they have an official title versus what
they can see here, smell, feeling,

1005
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.359
taste. I think it goes back
to that credentials fallacy, you know,

1006
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:51.800
or not the credentials fallacy, but
the appeal authority fallacy. Yeah,

1007
01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:57.880
yeah, you know that this person
it's kind of like you go up to

1008
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.560
somebody in a police officer, you
know, for him, and it's this

1009
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.880
person's here to help. You know, this person has a badge and we

1010
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:12.520
just immediately throw that out there.
You know. It's whereas if somebody in

1011
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.640
street clothes comes along, you got
Clark Kent popping up to help you,

1012
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.239
and you're gonna be like, no, I'm waiting for a superman or a

1013
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:24.319
cop, right, you know.
So I think that's the biggest reason why

1014
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:31.119
people look to authority figures. That's
why people turn to mainstream media's and I

1015
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:36.840
try to get all my parents and
you know, all all these people off

1016
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:43.399
of you know, seeing in Fox
and you know, just turn your TVs

1017
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.600
off. That's that's the best thing
I can tell somebody. Go do your

1018
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.920
own research. Don't listen to me
or anybody else. You know. I

1019
01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:55.159
put myself in the same thing like
I'm I'm going to drop that breadcrumb,

1020
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:58.880
but go research it for yourself,
find out what you believe, and then

1021
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:01.399
come back to me, and hey, we'll have coffee in a discussion.

1022
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.640
So I don't know, that's that's
the best way I can describe that.

1023
01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:11.520
There you go, now for the
million dollar question in your opinion, why

1024
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:17.039
the lie? I think it's to
keep us from God. Period. You

1025
01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:21.640
know, as a believer, that
is my biggest thing is if I can

1026
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.640
convince you that there is something more, that space is forever continuing. Um,

1027
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.439
how did that happen? You know? In my world, God said

1028
01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:40.439
it's finished, and it is good. In the science world, they always

1029
01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:44.720
want to keep you searching for something
else, something greater, and it keeps

1030
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:49.720
your eyes off of God. Period. Couldn't agree more. Um, It's

1031
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:58.279
been a tremendous um hour and a
half and I am looking forward to the

1032
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:04.720
new podcast, Flat Earth Arapy with
Brad. I'm just kidding that. Yeah,

1033
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:08.319
run with it, man. It's
been a real pleasure of talking to

1034
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.199
you and looking at it from this
side. You've made so many great points

1035
01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:13.960
and I know it's going to resonate
with a lot of people, because,

1036
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:19.720
Um, this is one of the
rabbit hole holes that does change your entire

1037
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:27.520
perspective on life. At least for
most people it does. And it's it's

1038
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:30.840
a shame because it's one of those
things where you just want to run to

1039
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:34.600
the mountaintop and scream and then you
hear this guy some moron, right right,

1040
01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:38.319
So it is the most challenge.
I call it the Granddaddy. This

1041
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:42.199
is my new manch I'm calling it
the Grandaddy of all conspiracies because it's it

1042
01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.159
is the ultimate truth bomb. At
the same time you can be so belittled

1043
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:47.600
for it. There you go.
Can I say one last thing of course?

1044
01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:51.920
Right ahead? Yeah, hey,
um. I spend a lot of

1045
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:58.079
time with people who have gone through
trauma. Um, maybe it's childhood trauma

1046
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:02.840
where they've been taught down to by
parent, or maybe they were bullied at

1047
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.199
school, whatever it is, and
you know, I'm seeing them in adult

1048
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:13.640
form. And there I'm trying to
first say, you have to lay down

1049
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:19.600
these lies before you find out who
you truly are. And I really work

1050
01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:25.039
a lot on people's identity, you
know, try to find out who you

1051
01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:28.439
are and take it to every level
of life, whether it's your spouse,

1052
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.720
your church, your job, whatever. But the biggest thing I hear people

1053
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.479
come in and say, and and
I used to say this to myself,

1054
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:43.079
is I'm weird. And I have
eradicated that from my thought process, just

1055
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:47.239
the whole word of weird and I
think when we go down these rabbit holes,

1056
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:50.279
you know, people will call us
weird, or you know, maybe

1057
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:55.079
we'll think we're weird ourselves. You
know, weird has this negative connotation that

1058
01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:59.479
says I'm a freak of nature,
right, But I just wanted to throw

1059
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:03.960
out and you know, Psalm one
thirty nine fourteen states, I will praise

1060
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:10.359
you for I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are your works, and that

1061
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.399
my soul knows very well. And
I just want to let all your listeners

1062
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:20.039
know that you're not weird. This
is probably going to be episode what seventy

1063
01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:24.560
five ish somewhere in there. Yeah, if you made it this far on

1064
01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:29.159
the Flat Earth Files podcast, you
must be in deep at this point.

1065
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:31.920
But you know, I think people
need to know that they're unique, they're

1066
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:36.880
one of the kind, and that
God truly does love them. And uh,

1067
01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:41.600
George, that that's basically it for
me. Man, I really appreciate

1068
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:45.119
you. I appreciate the opportunity to
come on here, and uh so excited

1069
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.239
that that you're going to stitch in
this clip at the end, and I

1070
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:54.960
hope people stick around to listen for
that, because man, it is it

1071
01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:58.880
is powerful. It is again.
Thank you man, thank you, and

1072
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:03.720
it's really wonderful to me you and
just so much knowledge. I love these

1073
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:08.640
conversations. I learned something from everybody
I've ever had on the podcast, and

1074
01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:13.000
once again I've learned so much today. And do check folks, check the

1075
01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:17.239
show description. When you're done.
We'll have these links. Jeffk to nine

1076
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:20.479
to eleven, that video. I'll
have the video to September eleventh, the

1077
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:25.439
new Pearl Harbor, and then I'll
track down that PDF for Book of Giants

1078
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:28.520
for you all to check out.
In the show description. More rabbit holes

1079
01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:32.800
for you to go down. And
don't go anywhere, folks. As we

1080
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:38.359
sign off again, there's another fourteen
minutes or so, and our thanks to

1081
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:45.239
Veritas Radio and Neil Kramer for this
audio and for Brad. This is George.

1082
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:49.159
We're going to sign off and we're
going to turn the show over to

1083
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:54.840
Neil Kramer and the Staircase of Disbelief. Keep your head on a swivel and

1084
01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.439
we will see you the Staircase of
Disbelief. So we're going to high here

1085
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:04.439
nihilism to flat Earth. Right,
if you consider the ability for people,

1086
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:11.119
this is what you're talking about.
The ability for people to grapple with very

1087
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:19.239
controversial parapolitical ideas or with hugely alternative
perspectives on let's say historical events, globalist

1088
01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:27.399
politics, metaphysical ideas. Just this
sense that the great holographic illusions of reality

1089
01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:30.119
must be encountered if you want to
know what's going on, and there's there's

1090
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:33.920
different levels of that. And for
me, a useful thing to do is

1091
01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:42.319
place things within a sort of classification
system of elevating incongruity, right, elevating

1092
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:49.159
astonishment, higher and higher levels of
mind bending improbabilities. Right. So in

1093
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:53.920
my work with individuals, which is
like ninety of what I do, we

1094
01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:57.600
call this funny idea the staircase of
disbelief, right, And let me just

1095
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:00.560
explain what that is, because it's
dead simple. Imagine a staircase that stretches

1096
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:04.399
up into the sky into the clouds, right, and low down on that

1097
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:11.680
staircase are certain certain subject matters where
you can take a step on it,

1098
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:15.560
a little step. Let's take an
easy one. JFK was not assassinated by

1099
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:20.560
Lee Harvey Oswald, Right, So
let's say that's step one. So that's

1100
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:25.600
a conspiracy that is kind of obvious, and anyone who's just looked at that

1101
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:29.239
for two seconds thinks, well,
he can't have done It didn't happen like

1102
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:30.760
that. There's something else that went
on. Right, Okay, well done.

1103
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.319
You've just taken your first step on
the staircase. Right, so you've

1104
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:38.840
got your foot on the first stair
you're on it. Right. Let's take

1105
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:45.680
another one, easy one WMDs Iraq
did not have weapons of mass destruction capable

1106
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:49.640
of reaching England or America in two
thousand and three, which was used as

1107
01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:55.760
the justification for an invasion of a
sovereign nation. Weapons of mass deception is

1108
01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:59.880
what it was used. That's right, weapons of mass deception. Weapons of

1109
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.479
mass destruction were not real, and
Tony Blair and George Bush lied, and

1110
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:11.159
people who exposed that deceitfulness were assassinated, like Robin Cook, the British MP.

1111
01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:15.960
He exposed that light and they killed
him. Let's say that's step two,

1112
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:20.239
right, You see where I'm going
with this. Yeah, and you're

1113
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.600
on the steps and there's other ones. We could go through a bunch,

1114
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:27.600
but let's say you get the idea
low down on the staircase. There's some

1115
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:31.840
slightly unbelievable ideas, but nevertheless they
are true, and once you've taken a

1116
01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:35.560
few steps up there, you then
start to get the idea that the world

1117
01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:38.600
is not your way the way you
thought it was. And then you get

1118
01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:43.960
let's say, midway on the staircase
ninety eleven, ninety eleven was not due

1119
01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:47.239
to nineteen Arab pie jackers, first
and foremost, because many of them have

1120
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:51.239
turned up a life fact. Go
and check that out right from the start.

1121
01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:55.319
It wasn't. And then we meet
and you and I have spoken to

1122
01:27:55.359 --> 01:28:00.640
this woman Judy Would and people like
that who have got a clear thinking head

1123
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:05.079
on the shoulders, who were not
swayed by nonsense, not pushed by trends

1124
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:12.119
and popular themes, not threatened who
tells us that there's a serious problem on

1125
01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:15.920
that day. That's a big one. That's kind of midway up the staircase,

1126
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.600
that ninety eleven, and it's as
you know, mel, it's a

1127
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:24.079
big one that it's a world changer
for people. So that's that's a classic

1128
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:27.600
what I would call in the old
days stargate event. Once you've moved through

1129
01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:31.800
that stargate of that, you know, one or two years personal study,

1130
01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:35.520
things are never the same again.
Right, So let's say that's midway on

1131
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:43.199
the staircase and on the next stair
Mass shootings are often faked, so easy

1132
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:46.399
to see improve that so easy.
But you see, now, if you

1133
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:53.399
haven't ascended the previous stairs, you
can't believe that. You cannot believe the

1134
01:28:53.560 --> 01:29:00.119
idea that the US and UK governments, operating under instruction from global empire,

1135
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:09.920
routinely murder children and women and men
to advance gun restrictions, aggressive mental healthcare

1136
01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:15.720
policy, and a sort of increasing
dependence on the state. That's unbelievable if

1137
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:18.039
you're not already gone up the staircase, are you with me? Oh,

1138
01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:23.640
certainly right. Whereas if you have
walked up some of those stairs prior stairs,

1139
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.159
you think, well, I can
imagine that. To be honest,

1140
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:29.399
I'll need to take a look.
I'm not just going to believe it willie

1141
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.640
nilly just because Mel said it,
but I'm going to listen to what the

1142
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:36.840
evidence is provided with all these different
guests that talk about shootings and PSI ups

1143
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:40.680
and whatnot, and I'm going to
check it out. And it really isn't

1144
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:45.560
very difficult to be a quality researcher. It's really not. You need to

1145
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:47.039
train yourself, you need to develop
your sermon. It takes a while,

1146
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:50.000
but it's not hard. Really,
isn't that hard. And when you look

1147
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:56.039
at it you see the staggering problems, particularly all the doctor photographs in Sandy

1148
01:29:56.079 --> 01:30:00.399
Hook. Big giveaway, big,
big, big giveaway. Another one on

1149
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:06.399
that on the midway point, the
media is not fair and never has been

1150
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:11.399
never, never, never, never, never has been. Once you start

1151
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:15.880
to grass the magnitude of empire,
that's that's not too difficult to get to

1152
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:18.520
that, right, And then you
get to another one. This is a

1153
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:23.199
tough one for some people because we're
midway, we're getting higher on the staircase.

1154
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:29.319
Now, is it possible that we
conceive of a situation where all kinds

1155
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:34.640
of organizations like the United Nations and
the Bank of England and Black Lives Matter

1156
01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:43.000
and at anti Fascism, Occupy,
Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, Women's March.

1157
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:48.560
Is it possible that those groups are
actually bad, that they appear to be

1158
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:54.920
grassroots uprisings of people wanting equity and
justice. Of course, no, no,

1159
01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:57.760
no, no, wrong, that's
not what they are. They've not

1160
01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:02.479
arisen organically, and they do not
present reality. They are conditioning beacons,

1161
01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:08.800
and they suck in the unwary and
empty them out. They sort of amplify

1162
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:15.479
unreality, only only to create this
extended, extended movie, this long playing

1163
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:23.800
movie that goes on and on and
fake polarizations, always fermenting division, always

1164
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:29.159
exploiting the weakest members of society,
people with nothing, who don't have a

1165
01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:32.479
chance to sit back and educate themselves, who don't have a chance in hell

1166
01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:35.760
of that they have. They are
the foot soldiers of those groups. Oh

1167
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:41.000
wow, really, so all that
anti fascism stuff and all those good people

1168
01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:44.760
who think that that's all garbage.
That's right, that's garbage, all of

1169
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.199
it, all garbage. That's a
tough place to be. If you can

1170
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:53.680
stomach that, then you get further
up. Let's say the top part of

1171
01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:59.039
the staircase. World War two is
almost the exact reverse situation as we've been

1172
01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:03.479
taught in the timeline, almost the
exact reverse of everything. Who the Allied

1173
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:08.720
powers are, who the Axis powers
eyes, almost back to front. World

1174
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:14.159
War two is one of the biggest
psyops that you've ever seen in your life

1175
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:18.000
because of the extended period of time
for it. The Holocaust, millions of

1176
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:25.960
Jews did millions of Jews die as
part of an organized final solution in gassings.

1177
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:30.399
Did that happen or did it not? And then you come to other

1178
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.000
things that are more impersonal. The
sun and the moon. They're not far

1179
01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:35.840
away, They're not what we think
they are, maybe further from the moon

1180
01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:40.199
we just mentioned this. If that
is true, the Holocaust that exist,

1181
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:45.199
then why is it that the deaths
that happened in the former Soviet Union,

1182
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:54.199
which were dwarves, what happened is
totally in all those countries Germany? Why

1183
01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:58.520
is that not publicized as much as
the others? Right? Exactly, that's

1184
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.600
part of like one hundred things to
look at about World War Two. That's

1185
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:06.199
like number fifty eight. Absolutely,
you're absolutely right, really important. But

1186
01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:11.520
do you see what I'm saying here, Mel Because you've already taken many steps

1187
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:15.439
up the staircase. I can walk
into your living room and say, hey,

1188
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:17.800
how about that Holocaust, and you're
like, I know, it's crazy,

1189
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.039
I wonder what the situation is.
There's so many question marks. You

1190
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:26.479
can do that in two seconds because
you've already walked up the staircase, even

1191
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:30.760
if you've only just heard that bit
for the first time. Stare seventy eight

1192
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:31.960
for the first time. Yeah,
But don't go to Europe. Do a

1193
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:35.399
question, because you'll go to jail. You'll go to jail because people in

1194
01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:39.720
Europe are not allowed on the staircase. They're not allowed on it at all.

1195
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:45.159
If I go down to the local
coffee shop here in my little town

1196
01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:51.680
in Washington State and start talking about
that, so I think the police would

1197
01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:55.800
arrive and take me off in a
truck, you know, and think,

1198
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:59.079
well, that's some sort of racial
hatred thing. What on earth are you

1199
01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.760
talking about? You and semi racist, xenophobic, bigger white privilege bastard,

1200
01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:06.479
what another you're talking about. No, you wouldn't do it, because we

1201
01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:11.000
know that no one's gone up that
staircase. Nobody's done it. You go

1202
01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:15.920
up further. The Earth is not
a sphere. The Sun and the moon

1203
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.560
and not what you think. They
are the same size, not far away.

1204
01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:26.359
There is no gravity. Humans are
and sold children of divine source,

1205
01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:30.560
and right at the top of the
staircase, God is real and loves you.

1206
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:35.439
That's the hardest one for anyone to
believe, the hardest one. Even

1207
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:39.640
stupid religious people don't really accept that. In the heart. They have a

1208
01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:46.239
different version of it. That staircase, that staircase of disbelief is what allows

1209
01:34:46.279 --> 01:34:51.760
one person to examine a thing and
another person not to examine a thing.

1210
01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:57.880
You forget mel and they say this
tongue in cheek. You forget how far

1211
01:34:58.039 --> 01:35:02.119
you've already come up that staircase for
the last fifteen years. You forget how

1212
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:09.880
many steps you've taken, and you
forget what giant, cataclysmic paradigm shifts you've

1213
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:13.359
had in your own private mind,
in your own heart, in your own

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thoughts, personally, in your life, with yourself, with your family,

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with your friends, with your business, with the audience, with this,

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with everything. We forget how far
we've come. And just for a second,

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you stop and you look down.
You realize you're at the top of

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the staircase. You're right there thinking
anything's possible. Stare one hundred. Anything

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is possible. People who have There's
many people walking around who may have taken

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one step or two steps, or
no steps. You cannot go midway or

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high up on the staircase and just
say, hey, what about World War

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two? Apparently Hitler was a real
nice guy. You can't do that.

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You can't do that because it doesn't
work. And what parapolitical researchers forget is

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the entire existence of these building blocks
of ontological considerations, of considerations of what

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is real, epistemological considerations. How
do we know what is real? How

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can we understand the scope of truthfulness? What does that even mean? Walking

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up that staircase in our own private
studies answers that for us in very personal,

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meaningful ways. So like I say, I can walk into somebody's living

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room in this audience, pick a
random guy, a random woman, and

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we can dive right into stair number
seventy two, right into stair number ninety

1231
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seven, and they'll be like,
Wow, it's incredible. I don't know

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01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:36.159
if it's true. It could be
garbage, but I am prepared to look

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at it, and I don't have
any investment. I don't have any problem

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01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:44.640
looking at these issues, and I'm
not in the least racist or empty semi

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of course, that would be stupid, megally stupid, hugely, hugely stupid.

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It doesn't even go on the radar. However, in mainstream society,

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there is no staircase disbelief. It
doesn't exist. All of that stuff is

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untrue, every single last minute of
it, and there is a lot of

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people walking around who don't even want
to take the first step. They don't

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want to know. And here's why. If you text take step number one,

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Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK. You have to go to step

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one hundred. You have to go
all the way up to step one hundred

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in due course. And deep inside
everyone knows that, and they don't want

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to take that journey because it's hard. It's hard, it's ugly. Blood

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01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:32.520
will be spilt, people will be
lost, people will disappear, people will

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laugh at you, people will take
business away from you, people will mock

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you, people may even lock you
up. So most people they just they

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hover the foot over that first stet, you know, when you're just about

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to stand on a stair, and
they think, you know what if I

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take this first step in due course, in the fullness of time, I

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might have to go all the way
to the top flat Earth. God,

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I don't know that I can do
that. I don't even know where they're

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01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:05.359
want to go there. And again
I emphasize this point. Every single stare

1254
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is a question mark. It's not
whether this is the case or not.

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01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:13.399
That's a very personal decision. We
don't need to objectively agree on anything here.

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It's a personal journey, a personal
staircase. All they are a question

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Mark's Flat Earth. There's a lot
of big important questions. They are really

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really important questions. Anyone who writes
that off needs the brain examining. They

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need to go back and get the
crayons out and start again. You're listening

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01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:57.840
to the fair kind of radio network, just the facts. Many