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Today, I want to tell you
about a journey that I've been on for

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most of my life. Ever since
I was a kid, I've heard tales

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of bigfoot and wild men while spending
time with my friends and family. As

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I grew older and read more about
the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and

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other things strange only deepened. That's
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My remarks tonight will be brief,
but it's worth remembering that all the

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celebration of this day is rooted in
history. It's recorded that shortly after the

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Declaration of Independence was signed in Philadelphia, celebrations took place throughout the land,

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and many of the former colonists,
they were just starting to call themselves Americans,

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set off cannons and marched in fife
and drum parades. What a contrast

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with the sober scene that has taken
place a short time earlier. In Independence

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Hall, fifty six men came forward
to sign the parchment. It was noted

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at the time that they pledged their
lives, their fortunes, and their sacred

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honors. And that was more than
rhetoric. Each of those men knew the

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penalty for high treason to the crown. We must all hang together, Benjamin

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Franklin said, or assuredly, we
will all hang separately. And John Hancock,

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it is said, wrote his signature
in large script so King George could

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see it without his spectacles. They
were brave. They stayed brave through all

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the bloodshed of the coming years,
their courage created a nation built on a

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universal claim to human dignity, on
the proposition that every man, woman,

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and child had a right to a
future of freedom. For just a moment,

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let us listen to the words again. We hold these truths to be

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self evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by

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their creaty with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty,

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and the pursuit of happiness. He
here, and thanks so much for joining

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me for the show. I hope
you've had a wonderful fourth of July,

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and I hope that continues on into
the weekend. I got to sit down

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recently and talk to Brandon from Indiana, and Brandon had a very strange encounter

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with what he believes to be a
dog man. We finish up with Brandon

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sharing some really strange things that are
going on in his house as well.

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I'll let him tell you all about
that in just a second. Brandon has

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also a host of his own podcast. It's called Tenfoil Tails. I've got

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the link right here in the show
notes for you guys, please go check

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out his show and show Brandon some
love. Most of you know I did

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a camp out and expedition last month
here in North Carolina with our host Cheryl.

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We had a blast up there.
We had a very small group,

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but we had a really good time. We've decided to do another one of

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those expeditions and campouts the weekend of
October fourth through the sixth. They are

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only fifth teen total spots available for
this camp out, and they're going fast.

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If you're interested in hanging out with
me and RPG Ryan Golumbeski and getting

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out into the woods and doing some
bigfooting, I've got the link right here

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in the show notes to Ncbigfootadventures dot
com. Just head over there right now

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and pick up your tickets before they
are gone. But enough of that,

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I know you guys are ready to
get into it. Brandon's on the line,

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He's ready to go. All this
left for you to do is sit

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back, relax, and enjoy the
show. Or welcome our guest of the

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show. It is Brandon from Indiana. Welcome to the show. Man,

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Hey, thanks for having me.
I have been looking forward to this.

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Let's talk a little bit about what
got you interested in this cryptid, bigfoot

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dog man phenomena world that we're in. What got you interested in it.

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Was it your experience or was it
something else for that. I was always

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interested in weird stuff as a kid. I grew up a big fan of

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the Monster movies and God's allays like
a big favorite thing of mine. But

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I never took a whole lot of
stock and things could be possibly real.

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I remember the Patterson Gimblin film.
I was always not just a man in

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a suit as a kid. Bigfoot
wasn't real, dog man. I've never

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heard of that before. Where Wolf's
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believe in any of that stuff.
I was a huge fan of the X

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Files. I love when they had
their weekly Monster of the Week type episodes

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or whatever. But I never took
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basically the experience that I had that
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really skeptical, and to be honest, I still am pretty skeptical. It's

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hard to admit and accept the things
that you saw. Even though you know

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you saw it, it still doesn't
make any sense. So it's one of

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those things I've been questioning for all
these years. I don't know how else

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to describe. It's just something that
shouldn't have happened, that did happen,

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and there's no way of getting around
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what it was. As a skeptic, it's hard to admit that. I'm

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right there with you. I'm very
skeptical you and I've had conversations about that

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in the past. Well, let's
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head back to two thousand and seven
when you had your experience. Why don't

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you just take us back there,
tell us where you were, what you

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were doing, and tell us what
happened to you. I used to work

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at a warehouse. I was a
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our Friday night. So our boss
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and we got everything delivered to the
main factory in town when we got back

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to the warehouse, we could get
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you're going to bust ass just to
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leave and get paid for and I
have to be there. So that's what

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we had done. It was me
and several other coworkers. We got done

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around four fifteen or something, four
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Like she Leslie she's going to write
out on her time cards. I don't

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really know who all left in front
of me area. I wasn't really paying

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a whole lot of attention. I
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started up. It's in February,
so it's cold. She kind of let

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warm up for a little bit.
I just started driving, and then I

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get to the first road and I
take a right, which is the way

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I go to go home. Went
down this road numerous times. I still

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live out in the same area,
so I go down the road. All

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the time I'm driving. I see
there's tail lights in front, and I

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see his head lights too, but
he's driving in front of me. We're

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just going down the road. I
notice the car in front of me,

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he's lights swerve like he swars off
the edge of the road, and then

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he swears back up on the road. The first thing I'm thinking of is

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like, what is this guy doing. I don't remember if I knew it

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was my coworker or just happened to
be a via I'm just wondering, like,

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why swerve off the road. And
I'm thinking a whole lot about who

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it was. As I get closer
to the area, there is something walking

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in the middle of the road.
I thought it was a person at first

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because the way it was walking on
two legs. And I see this black

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shape coming down the middle of the
road. I'm like, why is there

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a person out in the middle of
the night walking in the middle of are

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like? Are they stupid? So
as I get closer to it, it

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looks like a person wrapped in a
blanket because I don't see a head and

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I don't see arms. For some
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person wrapped like a big black blanket. They're moving very weird the way they

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take a step, it almost like
wiggle a little bit. I've always said,

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kind of glitchy looking. It didn't
look normal, very strange movement patterns,

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like are they drunk? This is
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so I don't really have time to
comprehend what's going on. I have to

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dip my brakes. Basically, I
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this person is not moving out of
my way. As I get to like

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a creeping stop, the thing walks
beside me, goes on my driver's side

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window, and I'm pretty sure it
bumps into the mirror, and I'm trying

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to see, like, who this
is? What? There is no head.

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I do not see arms, I
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fur. It's like solid black.
I'm in a forward explorer and I'm trying

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to look up my window. This
thing is taller than my vehicle and it's

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leaning forward by a good lean to
itself. So I honestly don't know how

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to describe the height other than my
vehicle's five and a half feet to the

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top. So this thing had to
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seven feet tall standing straight up.
There's no person in the middle of the

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night that should be that tall.
Walking it gets behind the vehicle and my

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red lights are illuminated from the brakes. It's blocking out the light. You

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can see it's solid, but it's
got solidness two lights. It's not like

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a shadow person or anything like that. But basically I can see it took

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a step and you can see the
ground and see the snother's lake. These

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legs are very, very thick.
This whole thing was a very thick torso

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and a very thick body. It's
just the way it was moving and everything

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made no sense. Who was out
in the middle of the night, strolling

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down the road. Stumbled around at
like four thirty in the morning, very

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weird. So at this point I
just tramp on the gas once it's away

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from it, because I'm trying to
figure out, like four thirty in the

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morning, when the hell's going on. I keep going and just in front

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of me is a road that the
car in front of me pulled into and

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I can see it's my coworker.
So I pull up next to him.

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He rolls down his window. I
rolled down my window, and he's like,

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did you see that? I said, yeah. He's like, it

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didn't have a head. I was
like, I'm glad you'd noticed that too,

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because I didn't see a head either. I'm like, what was it?

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Basically, I've convinced him to follow
me back because I want to know

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what it is, and he doesn't
want to go back. I was like,

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man, I want to know what
this thing is because if it's a

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person, what the hell are they
doing out here? So if I pull

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back out and he follows me,
they get back to the same general area,

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which is only about a quarter of
a mile. It's not too far

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away, but in the same exact
location, there is a large black dog

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lane across the road. That dog
was not there when we just drove by,

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because I had to run it over
because it is the word it's lane

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as in the middle of the lane, it's partially in the center. Something

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that's laying in one side lane.
It just wasn't there, Like there's no

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way to getting that. I wouldn't
have not seen it. But it looks

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like it's dead the way it's laying
there. It's got's back towards just gets

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facing the direction of whatever the thing
walking was. But I don't even see

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the thing that was walking. But
because the things in the middle of the

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road, I pull up to it
and I'm gonna stop. About thirty feet

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I started to get out of my
vehicle, and at this point the coworker

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creeps up behind me and he's like, what are you doing. I was

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like, well, there's a dead
dog up here, so I'm walking up

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to see what the hell's dog doing
here? Now. For some reason,

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I never thought that the dog was
walking in the road, because why would

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a dog be walking on two legs? That makes no sense. As I

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start to get up to this creature
dog whatever you want to call it.

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I'm maybe fifteen feet from it,
and it lifts its head up and it

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turns back, and our headlights are
shining in the direction of it, so

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when it looks back, it's eyes
start glowing from the eye shine is what

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I've always said. But it lets
out a very low, rumbly growl.

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I don't know how to say it, feel it or whatever. It's not

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like a normal dog growl. I
have dogs, been around dogs. It

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wasn't that type of growl. It
was very low, rumbly. You could

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feel it type of a growl.
I just stop walking because I'm like,

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oh shit, this isn't dead.
What are you supposed to do when you're

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walking up to something and a growl
like that, You're gonna just stop.

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I'm just staring at this thing,
and it starts to try and move,

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and at this point I hear my
coworker screaming at me to get back in

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the vehicle and calls me an idiot. This thing's starting to try and stand

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up. It does like a little
bit of a stumble on four legs,

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and it stops and stands directly up, and by that I mean on two

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legs like a person. I'm just
staring at it because there is no absolute

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way that this should happen. It
did not stand up like a dog.

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I've seen dogs hop around on their
back hind legs. It didn't do that.

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It stood up like a person would
its front legs or off to its

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side like a human shoulders would be
like when it kind of dropped down.

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It stood directly up, and a
lot of people are like, oh,

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you saw a bear. I know
the difference between a bear in this thing.

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It is not a bear. It
had twenty years. It had a

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long, bushy tail, and its
fur was very puffy, like a child

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box. It had a very canine
face. It looked like a black wolf,

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to be one hundred percent honest,
like that was the closest thing that

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I've seen to describe it. It
looks like a black wolf. Now,

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I've never seen a wolf standing up
like a person. We're looking at each

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other for maybe five seconds total,
and it crouches back down, almost like

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a hunkered position, and it starts
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road. I'm just staring at it
because the legs coming this way. You

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try to figure out which wy it's
going because I'm so close to it.

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If it wanted to rush me,
it could have grabbed me. I'm fifteen

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feet from this thing. We're like
face to face. I'm six foot three

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more right eye. So this thing, standing up on its hind legs is

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as tall, if not taller,
than me. This whole area to the

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south of where I'm standing as an
eight foot tall fence that goes around for

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like two square miles because it was
a hunting preserve. It's still there.

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The hunting preserve still there too.
It's called X factor Bucks. Basically,

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I didn't see where this thing went. It got out of the headlights,

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got into the brushy area of the
tree line, and I don't know if

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it went over the fence, through
the fence, under the fence, or

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somehow I managed to disappear, But
I didn't see where it went at this

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point. It was just gone.
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For some reason, I'm not thinking
all I can move. So I walked

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back to the car and my coworker
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he's standing beside my vehicle. So
as I walk up to him, trying

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to talk about what the hell's going
on, I happened to look down on

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the ground, and this is the
strangest part for me. There's also a

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field mouse standing between us, and
the mouse is standing on its hind legs

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too, but it's using its front
paws to wipe its face. Its bodies

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all wet, its face is all
wet, and it's using its paws to

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wipe itself clean, like it's cleaning
itself. I show my coworker, like

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you see this, and we look
down. I take my foot and I

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nudge this mouse, so I push
it a little bit. It's completely oblivious

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that I touched it. It just
keeps cleaning itself. And at this point,

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I'm like, I'm done out going
home. I don't know what's going

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on here. But like the first
thing walking in the road, a dog

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stands up on two legs, and
now there's a mouse over here, not

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caring that I just touched it.
Like there's some weird stuff going on here.

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And I'm done going home. So
we both got in our vehicles and

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I drove across the highway. He
turned on the highway, he went home,

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and I went home. I went
to bed. I woke up the

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next morning, I got on the
internet and I went to and explain mysteries

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dot org or something like I can
say. I forum on there and they

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had weird crypto type things. I
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for some reason, I'm thinking Werewolf, because that's back in February two thousan

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seven. I didn't know anything else, Like, I wasn't into the whole

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communities of cryptis or anything like that, so I'm still thinking were Well,

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someone says I saw a Michigan dog
man. I posted it on there,

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and I was like, well,
what is a Michigan dog man? So

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I started to go down that rabbit
hole and I saw a bunch of pictures

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of people that drew and it's and
I was like, it's very, very

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similar looking to this thing, except
what I saw did not have the typical

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descriptions of what these dogmen things have. It didn't have humanoid hands like raccoon

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fingers or anything. It literally had
normal dog palls. Everything about it looked

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like a normal canine, like a
normal normal dog, except for the fact

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that it stood up on two legs, and it looked like it should be

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able to walk on two legs.
Because I had no problem standing up on

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two legs, and I'm pretty sure. When I walked off, when it

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crunched like hunkered down, it only
walked on its back legs. It kept

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its front legs like pulled up to
itself. I don't know how to describe

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it other than that first I thought
I was a person in a werewolf costume,

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because that's what made the most sense. But if you think about it,

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why would someone be in a werewolf
costume in the Old World road in

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the middle of the night. And
not only that, but like, how

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do they make it growl? How
do they make the eyes reflect? For

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just I'm doing a prank. That
is a really stupid thing to do,

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and they had to spend a lot
of money on a costume that realistic,

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so to even go that routes even
seem stupid to even talk about it.

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But the whole thing doesn't make any
sense. But I basically got all this

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information about what these dog men things
are and some of the stuff about them,

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and I went back to work and
I went up to my coworker I

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show him like, this is what
I found, is what I did.

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And other people here and so I
start giggling and laughing, like, oh,

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did you run over a were wolf? And a poking fun which pisses

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off my coworker, so he pulls
me aside and tells me to knock it

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off. He doesn't want to talk
about it. It was just a dog.

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There's nothing weird, just some weird
dog. Leave it alone. He

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doesn't want people thinking he's crazy.
He's not going to bring it up anymore.

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If I keep talking about it,
he's just going to deny it,

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tell everyone that he doesn't know what
I'm talking about. So for fifteen years

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I agreed with it. I was
like, yeah, it was just a

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dog, because that's the only logical
explanation. It was a dog, because

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everything about it looked like a dog
is a for the fact that can walk

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like a person and stand up like
a human. That doesn't explain what the

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first thing walking in the road was, because that thing was bigger than what

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this dog was. That thing I
didn't see a head, I didn't see

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arms. He saw that too,
because he used the one that swerved off

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in the grass to miss that.
And the first thing he said to me

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is it didn't have a head.
So saying it was a dog doesn't explain

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away that the legs were a lot
more thicker on the first thing walking,

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whatever that was. But it also
doesn't explain the mouse. The mouse,

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to me is weird because I physically
touched it, so I know it was

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real. It was solid. It
wasn't illusions. People are like, oh,

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you guys are on drugs or drunk. Please explain to me the first

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time someone's ever had a mass hallucination
at the same time with the same person,

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Like, that doesn't happen. If
someone's doing drugs, you don't have

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the same type of hallucination together.
Why would you swerve off the road and

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then come back? Now that makes
any sense either. I can hundred percent

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swear on whatever. I don't do
drugs and never have. It's not my

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thing. For my own self,
I didn't do anything. We'd just gotten

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off work. I wish I could
say I was just tired and I was

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dreaming it. But again, how
could two people be having the same dream

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doesn't make any sense. I've looked
for every possible explanation to write this off

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as being nothing more than just a
normal dog, because that's the only thing

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that I can say that makes sense. It has to be something. Because

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I'm skeptical about a lot of the
stuff. There's no way this could be

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a dog man because they don't exist. Stuff like that isn't real. It's

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all made up. It's all Hollywood
stuff. But what did I see?

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I know what I saw, So
that's where you're like, what do you

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do about it? So I never
talked about it, just because I didn't

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want people think I'm crazy, because
to me, if someone told me what

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happened, I'd think they're crazy.
If I didn't dive into this type of

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stuff or whatever and know more about
it, I'd just be like, Oh,

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he's lying, he's full of crab, or he's crazy or whatever,

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because that's what most people do that
don't believe in this type of stuff.

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But that was the only time I've
ever seen this type of stuff. Again,

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I live in the same area.
I've drove that road hundreds of times.

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I drive it almost every day.
I've never had an experience before,

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and I've never had any experience after
that. What will happen that night is

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kind of why I'm I still search
for the answers because that's what put me

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on the path that I'm on right
now. Basically because I know it wasn't

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just a normal dog. You could
even say possibly that you guys saw a

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dog. Obviously when you stopped and
went back, that sounded very canine like

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you guys were looking at Okay,
that's a dog that's gotten ran over or

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whatever. But the first thing that
you saw with the dough head, the

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no arms much larger, and then
the mouse. As you're telling the story,

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I'm making notes and I'm writing down
wet mouse. It's some of the

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weirdest shit I've ever heard, to
be honest with you, but to me,

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that's what makes it so compelling in
a way, because there has to

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be more to this. You and
I have had conversations about dog Man the

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past in general, off the air
night for a show or anything. We've

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talked about some of that and how
I feel about dog Man, and I'll

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be honest, man, it's been
one of the hardest pills for me to

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swallow doing this. I'm primarily a
bigfoot guy. I research bigfoot. I

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go out in the woods and look
for these things. I think there's a

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possibility there there. I'm not one
hundred percent convinced that they're real. Then

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you have these people that are having
these experiences. I've tried to explain it

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away with kangaroos. There are wild
kangaroos that are loose in certain areas of

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America, and I think that there
have been, in some cases maybe some

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misidentifications of people seeing these things and
thinking their dog man, because if you

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compare the two side by side,
there are some real comparisons to be had

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there. But the majority of the
time people are like, absolutely not,

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that's laughable. It's a joke to
even say that. So there is something

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to the phenomenon, and stay tuned
for more sasquat chat to see. We'll

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be right back after these messages.
I don't know when the first depictions of

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these dog man things started. I
know the whole dog man lored started with

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a song. But if you could
look back into history in France at the

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werewolf trials that was back in like
the seventeen hundreds, I think it was

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the Native Americans. There's been depictions
of humanoid wolf type figures on cave paintings

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throughout history. There have been stories
of werewolves throughout Europe. So when I

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started looking into that type of stuff, maybe there was something more to it.

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Again, I don't really believe it. It's just hard to accept something

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that you have been programmed to not
believe because it doesn't make any sense.

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Out of four hundred and sixty some
hid episodes of this show, I think

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you're the third or fourth person that
I've ever talked to and you don't even

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say dog man. I'm the one
saying dog man here. To be fair,

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you have never said that to me
in any of our conversations that I

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saw dog man. You saw an
upright K nine looking figures. I think

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how you describe it, but for
all intensive purposes, we're talking about it

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dog man experience. And you're the
third or fourth person that I've actually talked

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to and interviewed for the show that
have had some kind of experience with something

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that they would consider to be an
upright bipedal K nine type creature. In

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the first couple of times I talked
to people, the first lady I interviewed

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had had maybe six experiences with these
things over the course of her life.

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It started in childhood. She was
an adult at this point in her I

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would say late thirties, maybe even
mid forties at this point when I interviewed

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her, and she is an emt
out in I think Texas. Is the

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last thing that she told me about
the last couple of incidents she had with

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these things. She hit one of
them with her truck. It was crossing

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the road chasing deer, and it
smacked into the side of her truck.

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She hit one of these things and
had to go home and explain it to

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her husband that she didn't hit a
deer, she hit a dog man with

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her truck. Then she had an
experience where she thinks that Sasquatch Bigfoot may

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have chased one of these things out
of an area that she was in because

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she saw them in relatively close proximity
to one another at different times on this

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trail. She feels like Bigfoot was
saving her from something nefarious. She thought

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this thing was out to get her. Basically, some of the other people

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I've had on DA Roberts comes to
mind. I've talked to da former police

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officer and he thinks he's seen these
things a couple of times. Then I've

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talked to Jody Cook. You know, he's pretty prolific when it comes to

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dog man and Bigfoot research. He's
had tons of interviews with people, and

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I think Jody's had his own experiences
of what he believes to be dog Man.

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So there's definitely something to the phenomenon. I just don't know how to

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rationalize that. Of course, it
says the person who believes it as possible,

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there's an eight foot Harry Homini is
roaming around North America that's undiscovered.

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But at least that is more plausible
to me on the line of cryptids,

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because we have great apes, we
have primates where primates ourselves, so it's

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not too far of a stretch to
think that something may go undiscovered for all

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these millennia. They might be very
similar to us. I think there's always

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that lore of that's a possibility.
But for dog man, any kind of

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upright to caneid creature, it's never
made sense to me. I don't know

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how to rationalize it other than saying, and I've said this before, I

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certainly believe in spirits. I believe
in the afterlife. I've dealt with haunted

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houses and in the past, so
I believe that that realm exists. I

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think if these things are here and
people like yourself are seeing what you think

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you saw, I think there's more
too. The man. I think they're

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coming from some other place. I
don't know how they would fit in the

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natural world upright. Bipedal canines don't
make sense in any stretch of the imagination.

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They're not built to walk upright.
That's why they look so weird in

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the movies when they make were wolves
walk upright like that. They're just not

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built to do that right. So
that in and of itself is fascinating to

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me. But have you considered that
Over the year, we're going to talk

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a little bit about you're not just
an experience or you're also a fellow a

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podcaster with an awesome podcast, The
Tenfold Tails. Have you interviewed or talked

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to people? Have you even tried
to seek out people who have seen something

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similar to you? Have you ever
come across a story where there was these

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other layers? I mean, dog
Man stories are I don't want to say

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a dime a dozen, but they're
podcasts out there that have hundreds of episodes

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that are dedicated to doing nothing but
people having experiences and encounters with dog Man.

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But have you tried to seek that
out or have you heard of anybody

407
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.880
else who had a similar story to
you with these other weird components, Like

408
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.200
the first thing that you guys saw
walking across the road that you had to

409
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:44.160
swerve and then this weird mouse connection
and then having this siding with an upright

410
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:49.160
canan like that, I haven't heard
anything similar to that. I've interviewed folks

411
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.039
that have they'd saw something something on
the side of the road. Someone said

412
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:57.279
that one come up and ran into
the side of their vehicle, but they've

413
00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:03.359
never had the experience like how mine
was. That's the only reason, to

414
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.079
be one hundred percent I even started
at my show was because I did it

415
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.880
for my own selfish reasons, like
I wanted to find answers. I wanted

416
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.960
to talk to other people because maybe
it would help me cope with what happened

417
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.119
to me. I don't say it
as like I was traumatized or anything like,

418
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.519
because I know some people that have
experiences they're terrified of going outside or

419
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.920
in the woods or whatever. I
never went out in the woods in the

420
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.680
first place, so it has an
impact to me. I was never that

421
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.920
type of person. But in the
back of my mind, I've always wanted

422
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.359
to know what it really was,
because for fifteen years I said it was

423
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.400
a dog. It was a dog
that was playing with a mouse, and

424
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.920
someone must have ran the dog over. So mysteriously learned how to walk on

425
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.200
its back legs, and that's when
we drove by the first time it was

426
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.160
walking around. That's why I walked
funny. But that doesn't explain why we

427
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.319
didn't see a head, or why
we didn't see arms, or why it

428
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.400
was so much bigger. But no
one's ever had any experiences that I've spoken

429
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.000
with and had any of the same
elements as to like the weirdness has happened.

430
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.599
I've talked to people that believe these
things are one hundred percent and are

431
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.079
dimensional. I've talked to people that
think they're just like bigfoots, they're flesh

432
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.440
and blood. I've had someone tell
me that the first thing I encounter was

433
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.960
a bigfoot who just got done beating
the shit out of the dog man,

434
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.960
and that's when I came back.
That's why the dog man was laying in

435
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.839
the road. The mouse apparently was
just an innocent bystander that was traumatized because

436
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:23.039
he saw it. So he's just
standing there being in the middle of a

437
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.319
battle. I laughed that at all, because it's it's kind of funny to

438
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.079
me. I don't want to try
and discredit anyone that comes on here and

439
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.440
shares experiences on my show or yours
or anyone else, because that's again why

440
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.119
I do my show. I don't
try to prove or disprove anybody, but

441
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.240
I think I've had some people that
have not been one hundred percent honest about

442
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.640
certain things. There's certain elements that
I don't necessarily agree with, but I

443
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.440
wasn't there, so I'm not going
to say that they're not being honest.

444
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.400
At the same time, no one
has ever really had the details to certain

445
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.000
aspects. How do you have all
these details? How do you know what

446
00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.799
it was thinking? And people's stories
get blown out of proportion from here and

447
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.839
there, like you hear them on
someone else's show, their stuff's changed.

448
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.240
When it comes back to the dog
Man in general, I've only had a

449
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.200
few dog Man interviews because that's not
what the focus of my show is about.

450
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.000
For me personally, I wanted to
talk to people that dog Man experiences,

451
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:21.200
but that's like not my primary thing. My shows literally pretty much opened

452
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.799
anything strange like UFOs, Ghost dog
Man, Bigfoot, conspiracy, anything that's

453
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.720
strange. Why in Foil tells the
whole Tenfoil thing I actually thought of because

454
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.319
originally it was dive into stories about
weird conspiracy stuff, cover up stuff,

455
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.759
whatever that goes on that they don't
want us to know about. It's just

456
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:45.200
evolved to what it is now.
I do have some information about some of

457
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.920
the stuff that's happened in this area
if you want to hear about it,

458
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.240
not just to me, it to
other people. In nineteen ninety if someone

459
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.400
else had an experience now where we
live, I don't want to give one

460
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.960
hundred percent locations the only people out
here trespassing on other people's lands. Nineteen

461
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.480
ninety along the river, there were
someone that was camping apparently a quote unquote

462
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.519
where wolf ran into their campsite on
two legs and started tearing shit up and

463
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.839
scared them all out of there.
They all left everything they ran off.

464
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.759
I was at a speaking event a
couple months back, and someone said that

465
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.599
they would have liked to talk to
me something like they said in nineteen eighty

466
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:25.039
six or eighty seven. I forget
what it was. They were out by

467
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:29.079
the reservoir, because where we lived
there is a reservoir not too far outside

468
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.519
of town. They were being stalked
by large canines in the woodline. When

469
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.960
they're out on the hiking trails.
They'd saw them. They were very large

470
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.960
black wolf looking canines that were stalking
them from the edge of the woods.

471
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.720
So they hurried up and got out
of there. This whole area used to

472
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:48.319
be part of the Miami Indians tribe, but there's still a recognized tribe here.

473
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.440
They still have their own little lands
and stuff. I'm trying to get

474
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.839
in with someone that actually can talk
to them better and see some of their

475
00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:02.759
stories, because there were supposedly legends
of this whole area having large humanoid wolf

476
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.400
type creatures from their old lore.
Now I can't one hundred percent say that's

477
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.240
true or whatever because I've never actually
spoken to them. That's just second hand

478
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.599
and then told to me by someone
else. Again, when I hear stuff

479
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.200
like that, I want to find
out for myself and actually talk to someone.

480
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.720
But there are those stories that linger
around here to this whole area,

481
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:25.240
apparently throughout the year's weird upright walking
canine stories. There's so much of that.

482
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.720
Honestly, the Beast of Bray Road
is one of the big stories that

483
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:33.279
people know when it comes to wolf
like creatures the land between the Lakes.

484
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.559
There's a story, I think in
the seventies where there were supposedly some people

485
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.000
killed. Of course, people go
back and forth. Some people think it's

486
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.400
completely one hundred percent bullshit, and
then there's some people who believe it actually

487
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.200
happened. I've actually talked to the
people who were there. I talked to

488
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.519
the police, so you get all
of that stuff again. It fascinates me.

489
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.480
I want to ask you, did
you ever circle back to your co

490
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.079
worker. Did you guys ever have
a follow up conversation maybe after that died

491
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.559
down, get to talk to him
about what he thought it was that you

492
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.920
guys saw that night, or he
just leave it at it was just a

493
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.880
dog, don't talk to me about
it anymore. I never really brought it

494
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.000
up to him again. I agreed
with him at the time. I'm just

495
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.000
like, all right, it was
a dog, because that's what I wanted

496
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.319
to believe. As bad as it
sounds, I knew it wasn't, but

497
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:15.759
for some reason, I didn't want
to accept that it was something else.

498
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.920
And the one person that can one
hundred percent verify that with me didn't want

499
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.920
to talk about it. So I've
chalked it up to no, it's just

500
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.119
a dog. But he actually got
laid off. I never really saw the

501
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.079
guy again, and we weren't like
buddies or anything like that. Like we

502
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.559
talked at work and this and that, but other than that, we never

503
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.559
really had any conversations outside of work. So I don't know whatever happened to

504
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.200
him. I said, with the
technology today as social media, I could

505
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.200
probably find him. It's been seventeen
years now. That is he gonna want

506
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.519
to talk about it now if he
still has the stance of it was just

507
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.559
a dog, that's fine. I'll
one hundred percent say yeah, sure,

508
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.079
that's what I said too, it
was just a dog. But explain to

509
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.079
me how a dog stands up like
a human. That's the weirdest part for

510
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.440
me is I can't explain that I
can see dogs standing up on two legs.

511
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.920
I've never seen a dog stand up
like a person. That is definitely

512
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.880
weird. But I'll tell you the
weirdest thing I think for me that's sticking

513
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:09.039
out in the entire experience is the
wet field mouse that's standing in the middle

514
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.559
of the road right next to where
you guys. My brain is just trying

515
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.960
to draw some sort of correlation or
connection to how that could possibly play into

516
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.079
the story. So there's got to
be somebody out there listening who knows more

517
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.359
about this than Brandon or I that
could send me an email and let me

518
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.279
know how there's some sort of a
connection, or maybe somebody else has had

519
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.079
another story. It's it sounds weird, but I don't know if you got

520
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.880
into some sort of a wrinkle.
I don't want to say portal because that

521
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.839
has just such a horrible connotations for
me and most everybody in the Bigfoot cryptid

522
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:43.359
world. Some people are definitely into
that kind of stuff, but for me.

523
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.720
Wayne and I have been talking about
this on that Bigfoot podcast a lot

524
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.319
lately. In some of the missing
persons reports and stuff that he's done,

525
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.279
he's considered the fact that some of
these weirder cases, maybe people stumble out

526
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:59.119
into the woods and get into something
like that, whether it be a wrinkle

527
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:04.759
in time to another dimension, even
a portal where something is coming and going

528
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.759
and you just happened to be in
the wrong place at the wrong time or

529
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:09.079
right place at the right time,
however you want to look at it.

530
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.000
I guess I just don't know what
else to make of it. I see

531
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.319
your coworker there, you talk to
me, go back, and there's a

532
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.640
dog and then the dog gets up
walks away like a person. Then you

533
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.680
go back to your vehicle. Now
now there's a mouse standing on it and

534
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.279
sign like washing itself. It's so
random it makes no sense to me.

535
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.200
It sounds crazy. It's what I've
always says. I don't even believe my

536
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.680
own encounter, even though I was
there to experience. Like to me,

537
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:31.880
it just sounds crazy, like there's
no way it could be true. But

538
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:36.480
I know what happened. So that's
why I scratch my head about it,

539
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.279
because it's like it just does not
make any sort of sense. Now I

540
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.960
have had one person and again I
being skeptical. I don't say one way

541
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.519
or the other. But they said
the thing was all the same thing.

542
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.799
The first thing was bleeding into our
reality if there are alternate realities, different

543
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.240
dimensions or whatever. The first thing
was taking shape. It was turned it

544
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.240
into the dog. Okay, I'll
say that's plausible. Then I wasn't afraid

545
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.279
of the dog, so turned into
the mouse. So then you're getting to

546
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.079
the point of it being a shape
shifter. I know there's lots of Native

547
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.639
American laws about shape shifters and other
things like that too. And then with

548
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.639
it's being a lot of Native American
land. I'm sure they've had their own

549
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:19.119
stories about shape shifters. I don't
know if it's all connected to the lands,

550
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.920
because again, there's two big rivers
within a mile to the north from

551
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.079
where this happened as a river.
Then about two to three miles to the

552
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.920
south is another river, So this
whole area is strategically placed. I can

553
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.840
imagine hundreds of years ago, they're
probably prominently Native American lands through here just

554
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.119
because of where the water sources are. So I don't know if that has

555
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.719
anything to do with it or not. Someone says that dog men travel along

556
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.880
rivers. I don't know how anyone
knows all this stuff, because you can't

557
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.440
even I prove dog men exist.
But there's a lot of so called experts

558
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.280
out there that know all sorts of
shit about dog men. Yeah, it's

559
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.719
pretty prevalent in the bigfoot community as
well. I don't ever take anything that

560
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.280
somebody says definitively about anything. That
just makes sense. If it's a large

561
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.360
what you would consider to be an
apex predator like a wolf, a bear,

562
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:05.079
bigfoot, or dog man, I
guess it would make sense that they

563
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.960
would travel waterways because that's what animals
do. But outside of that, nobody

564
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.719
knows about it. It's nothing that
anybody knows definitively, that's for sure.

565
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.400
I was thinking the same thing when
you were telling the story and sharing your

566
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.360
experience. I was thinking, is
this thing the same thing? If this

567
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.440
is some sort of an inter dimensional
thing that you guys happened to just drive

568
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.239
into for lack of a better term. Was this thing the same thing for

569
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.880
whatever reason and it ended up being
a mouse? I don't know. I

570
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.119
guess that's if any of this is
in the realm of possibility that we're talking

571
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:38.800
about. I think any of those
things have to be considered for sure.

572
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.840
I just don't know. Man,
it really makes me scratch my head.

573
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.000
I have to ask you, though, you drive this road all the time

574
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.559
and you've never seen anything like that
before, But have you had other strange

575
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:52.239
experiences? Because what I found,
at least for me personally, people who

576
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:58.639
have some of the stranger experiences one
way or the other with one phenomena or

577
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.880
the other ten do have other experiences. I used to say on my show

578
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.480
when i'd have people come on,
going back to what you were saying earlier,

579
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.039
people like to stretch the truth.
They add to their stories. They

580
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.440
like to have multiple stories, they
like to have experiences and multiple things.

581
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.000
And I used to have people on
that would talk about Bigfoot and then they

582
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.159
talk about seeing alien craft or what
they believe to be extraterrestrial craft. I

583
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.199
was like, Ah, it's a
little weird that you have all this stuff

584
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.760
going on. But then I'm one
of those people, right, I had

585
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:30.039
what I believed to be multiple possible
experiences with Bigfoot. Never seen one,

586
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:36.079
but had experiences I think might have
been Sasquatch related. I've seen multiple UFOs,

587
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.440
I've lived in haunted houses. I've
had weird deja vu experiences, other

588
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.840
things that would be considered telepathy or
I don't know what you would call it,

589
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.320
that I've had experiences with As a
kid, we have weird stuff that

590
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.599
goes on in the house up until
even currently, it all kind of goes

591
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:59.360
together. We bought this house in
twenty twenty now. Prior to that,

592
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:06.880
other than the one random walking caneine
encounter, I never really had any sort

593
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:08.920
of weird experiences that I'm aware of. I'm not going to say I didn't

594
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.480
have any. I'm just I don't
think they were again being skeptical. I

595
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.840
always write things off as just explainable. But we bought this house. The

596
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.159
people that we bought it from were
an older couple and that they've lived here

597
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.960
for it was almost twenty five years, I think, and the house was

598
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.760
built in nineteen seventy eight or seventy
nine, so it wasn't super old,

599
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.719
and no one's ever passed away.
And we moved in. I was painting.

600
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.360
My dog makes a growling noise because
at the time, if a leaf

601
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.719
blue, he would be parking his
head off. He started growling in the

602
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:39.519
living room with something, so I
poke my head around there and I tell

603
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.679
him to knock it off. But
I hear the floor creek, and it

604
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.440
only does that when someone takes a
step. There's a certain board that used

605
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.320
to do it. I say,
it still does it, but I've noticed

606
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.679
now that since I've stabilized the basements, it doesn't make that noise now.

607
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.039
Well. A couple of weeks goes
by and my wife and iron bed.

608
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.920
The room next to us is my
daughter's bedroom. We have a baby mim

609
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.679
her in there. We just put
her down to sleep. My life and

610
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.079
I were laying to sleep. The
baby monitors on in our room, one

611
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.199
of those camera types so you can
hear and see her. But our windows

612
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.960
have the old pull down blinds to
them, and for some reason that blind

613
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.000
just shot up, scared the shit
out of us. We laughed, pulled

614
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.599
the blind back down because of my
mind. Again, that's not paranormal.

615
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:21.679
We just didn't pull the blind down. But the next thing that happens within

616
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.519
five minutes. I can try and
explain that a way too. But if

617
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.199
we heard a voice through the monitor
that says mine, just like that,

618
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.440
it sounded low, and it sounded
like a man, and it sounded really

619
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.679
frigging evil. So I said,
nope. I ran into the bedroom,

620
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.400
I got my daughter, brought her
into the room with us. Just the

621
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.000
timing of the blind shooting up and
then that voice coming right down below where

622
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.960
the blind is is the table where
the monitor's at. That's just too much

623
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.440
of a coincidence. And I'm not
one that believes in a whole lot of

624
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.519
coincidences. But we brought our daughter
in again, just kind of a little

625
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.719
paranoid about that. It's your child. A couple of days go by and

626
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.880
my wife's changing our daughters. She
has three large scratch marks down her back.

627
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.840
So I flip out because I go
in over predictive dad mode. I

628
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.199
go through every room in the house
and I start trying to banish whatever it

629
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:16.320
is so with my children or whatever
it bothers me. But I'm not one

630
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.360
that's religious, and I'm not one
that's a big believer in all this type

631
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:22.360
of stuff. But what do you
do when it's your child? So I

632
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.639
did whatever I could do. I
went through every room, tried to banish

633
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.400
whatever negative energies are around. I
said, in the name of Jesus,

634
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.079
get out of here. Whatever I
had to do, I honestly thought it

635
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.000
worked because we never had any more
instances again than I'm aware of, up

636
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.079
until recently. And then I've started
putting things back together and I'm like,

637
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.440
oh shit, this has just been
continually going on. I didn't realize it,

638
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.800
so I don't know the exact timeframe. But my daughter got an imaginary

639
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:58.000
friend. Her imaginary friend is named
Chloe. Now, the thought of an

640
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.000
imaginary friend creeps me out in general, because it's just something I think is

641
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.480
strange. But my wife said it's
normal for kids, So whatever. Stay

642
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.199
tuned for more Sasquatch out to see
we'll be right back. After these messages,

643
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.360
she said that Chloe is Blue's best
friend's name on that cartoon show,

644
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.239
and my daughter loved Blue's so I
was like, okay, whatever. It

645
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.159
just got to the point where she
would talk about Chloe saying things or doing

646
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.639
things. Chloe lives down in the
basement of crawl space. I was like,

647
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:34.239
that's strange. But it kept to
where I had to ask her what

648
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.079
does Chloe look like? And I
don't remember the exact if. She said

649
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.800
she'd either blue or purple, but
she told me a color. I think

650
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.079
it was purple. She's purple.
I said, why is she purple?

651
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.239
She said, because she's dead.
I'm like, what she said, she's

652
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.039
a ghost. My daughter is like
three years old at the time. She

653
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.519
shouldn't even know what the hell of
ghost is litt alone correlate that to being

654
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.880
purple. So I freak out.
I said, Chloe's not allowed to be

655
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.280
don't talk to Chloe. You can't
be friends with Chloe. Whatever goes on,

656
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.199
no more Chloe. This was right
before I started my show, so

657
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:13.239
this was happened in like spring summer
of twenty twenty two. I started to

658
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.400
look into more things because again,
I'm not one that's a big believer in

659
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.360
a lot of this stuff. And
then I started my show, started talking

660
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.159
to other people. I started looking
for guests, and someone sent me a

661
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.480
message, some random internet person,
and they quote it n each year wherever

662
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.199
it's pronounced, but basically says,
when you start looking into these things,

663
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.840
things start looking back. But the
first message they sent to me wasn't that.

664
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.199
It was I feel bad for you
and your family. Right, I'm

665
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:42.079
worried about you and your family.
So of course I'm like, hi,

666
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.960
And that's what they said, when
you start looking into things, things to

667
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:50.039
start looking back. My daughter started
having night terrors, start sleeping bad,

668
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.880
like she wanted to wake up,
be crying when come in our bedroom,

669
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.000
had a bad dream. I never
really took a whole lot of stock into

670
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.559
it, like, oh, she's
three, little kid having nightmares. He's

671
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.719
done my married all the time,
like it's normal. Last spring, this

672
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.880
has been over a year now.
I kind of took a break from doing

673
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.719
this. I had so many things
recorded. I took a couple months break.

674
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:16.000
Her sleeping pattern changed, she's backsleep
and fine everything else. I started

675
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.679
the show back up. There's no
more issues and for some reason. Back

676
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.079
in September, my older kids decided
that they were going to bring some friends

677
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.920
over, and they were down in
the basement. They came upstairs and they

678
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.079
asked for some candles and a lighter, and that I heard everything that was

679
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.000
going on. I just assumed that
they wanted to make the basement smell better

680
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.360
or something. I didn't know.
I hear them start screaming, and I

681
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.880
looked directly at my wife and I
said, I bet they're doing a seunds.

682
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.519
I run downstairs and lo and behold, here they were trying to make

683
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.559
a makeshift weedi board to communicate with
spirits. Whatever they were using supposedly moved.

684
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.000
I flipped on the kids. Needless
to say, one of their friends

685
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.719
has never came back. She probably
went home and told them that the crazy

686
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.760
dad was screaming at us about demons
and summoning some evil spirits. But that's

687
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.840
what I feel like I had to
do, because that's something you don't just

688
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.559
screw around with. I'm superstitious.
I might be skeptical, but I'm superstitious.

689
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.880
I've never been one to mess with
the Ouiji board. I don't think

690
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.079
they're a good idea. Some people
say, oh, they're just toys.

691
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:15.760
I don't want to take that chance, especially with the stuff's that happened before,

692
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.440
because try and explain three scratch marks
down your baby's back to me.

693
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.559
The number three is very significant because
if you go into the whole religious aspects

694
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.000
or whatever, that's demonic in the
sense that it's mocking the Holy Trinity.

695
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.239
I was raised as a Christian kid
in a Pentecostal church. I know all

696
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.360
about that type of stuff. I
don't practice it today. I'm not necessarily

697
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.239
a full unbeliever, but I still
have my own guard up when it comes

698
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.960
to stuff like that. Right after
that happens, my two year old son

699
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.440
started having sleeping pattern issues. He
decided he's gonna wake up in middle of

700
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.159
nine and he wanted to come sleep
in our bedroom. Our daughter's doing it

701
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.519
again. So I have a two
year old and a four year old that

702
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:57.880
were wanting to come sleep with mom
and Dad didn't think a whole lot about

703
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.719
it. Then I forget exactly when
this was. I think it was in

704
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:07.000
November. There was a strange orange
glowing. I honestly thought it was just

705
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.760
a flare because there's a factory a
few miles to the north, and they

706
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.119
actually used to make flares. On't
know if they still do. I thought

707
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:15.760
it was one of them testing out
a flair. But I've lived out here.

708
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.119
I grew up out in this whole
area. My parents lived a couple

709
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.039
of miles north of US. I
could see the factors from there. I've

710
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.920
lived out here since twenty Why it's
almost thirty something years I've been in this

711
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.280
area. I've never once seen them
ever test a flare, but this looked

712
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.519
like a flare, so I just
assumed, well, maybe they're tested on

713
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.719
a flare. It was stationary,
an orange glowing ball, looked like a

714
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.840
fireball, and just above the tree
line. I yelled for my wife,

715
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.159
yelled for my son. Never once
did I think they grab my phone.

716
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.719
I've literally criticized people for never doing
that. How ca you sit there and

717
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.760
say you watch something and never thought
about recording it? My dumb assids starre

718
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.159
and watches it for like two minutes. Never grab my phone, and I

719
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:53.360
never even thought about it. It
was stationary. It went up a little

720
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.880
bit and moved over to the right, and it just completely disappeared. It

721
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.480
didn't fly off, So I can't
say that the UFO but it was in

722
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.920
the sky and I don't know what
it was, so I thought that was

723
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.519
weird. Then it gets a little
bit weirder because a couple of weeks go

724
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.400
by out front of the house we're
coming home, and this time I actually

725
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.199
remember to record it, and that's
what's even weirder. I thought it was

726
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.199
starlink. I see these lights out
in front of the house and there in

727
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.320
rows, but they're just sitting there. They're not moving like starlink. So

728
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.920
I threw my phone to my wife. We're up at the stop signs.

729
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.360
I record this because I'd already remembered
I didn't record the last time something was

730
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.199
out there. I told her to
record it. She records about two seconds

731
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.679
and we hit a bump and apparently
shit the button again, so you can

732
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.760
see it for like two split seconds. And didn't realize that she wasn't recording.

733
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:38.719
We got opens to the house.
She tried to record it again,

734
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.480
and you can't really see it.
When I try and send the video from

735
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.719
my phone to people, they claim
me don't see anything, which I think

736
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.199
is strange because you can clearly see
it on my phone. I don't know

737
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.000
if it's the quality of it being
sent off for whatever makes it door it's

738
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.000
impossible to see. I have no
idea. But about a week or so

739
00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:00.239
later, and again the timeline for
me without I didn't write it any of

740
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.719
this down because I didn't really think
a whole lot about it, my son

741
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:08.480
started saying ghost. Now he's two, he's laying in bed with us.

742
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.599
He's looking up at the ceiling and
he says, daddy ghost, ghost,

743
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.559
daddy ghost. My wife's like,
are you listening to him? And I'm

744
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.480
facing the wall. I was like, yep, I'm not looking. I

745
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.480
don't want to see it. And
he keeps saying like he gets closer to

746
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.760
her, like he nudges up against
her and keeps pointing to the ceiling,

747
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:27.159
saying daddy ghost. So I roll
over and look up, and I see

748
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.079
nothing. I have no idea what
he's looking at. My te year old

749
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.719
barely spoke at the time. He's
just now talking a lot better. But

750
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:36.079
back then, back in December,
he wasn't speaking a whole lot. So

751
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:38.679
for him to say ghosts, that
is a very very specific word that he

752
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.920
should not even know, Like he
can barely see anything, but that's one

753
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.440
word he can say. So that
doesn't make a whole lot of sense to

754
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.400
me, so I wouldn't warning up
Paul. I brought it back to him,

755
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.639
and then as load as getting up
to go get it, he said,

756
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.599
oh daddy, ghost, ghost going
always like do you hear him?

757
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.960
Like, yeah, I heard him
that when it's your children, though,

758
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.920
what do you do? Like I
said, I don't remember that this happened

759
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:00.320
before or not, but like,
I don't even think this was even related

760
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.719
until later on. But my dog
was chewing on something. I'm like,

761
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.880
what do you got? And then
she ends up dropping what looks like a

762
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.639
tooth, and I thought it was
like a normal dog tooth, Like why

763
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.719
is she losing teeth? She's only
three. So I pick up the tooth

764
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.000
and I look at it. I
was like, this doesn't look like a

765
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.519
dog tooth, though it looks like
a kid tooth, like a little kid's

766
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.519
tooth. None of the kid's lost
any teeth. So I kept it and

767
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.119
I laid till my wife to get
home from work. I showed it to

768
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.760
her and she agreed that the end
does look like a kid's tooth, that

769
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.000
there's like a root to us.
So it's weird that when the kid's tooth

770
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.599
falls out, it doesn't have a
root, like, yeah, I don't

771
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.840
know. I never thought about that
tooth again for a while. And this

772
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.079
is right before Christmas. But basically
I was having a dream, I say

773
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.840
dream, and this is where I'm
like, sound like batshit crazy, But

774
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.960
in this dream, there was something
trying to take my kid. And they

775
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.840
look like I'm not saying they're aliens
or anything, looks short, little pinkish

776
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:59.039
colored. They looked like humans,
but they didn't look like alien like everyone

777
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:00.079
says, oh, the gray alien. They didn't have big eyes, they

778
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.159
had like normal humanoid looking features,
but they real shorter, I don't want

779
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.559
to say their dwarf short, like
something bad or hobbit looking people. They

780
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.440
didn't look proportionate. They didn't have
any clothing on. They're just really fleshy

781
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:15.519
looking, and they're pulling on my
kid and he's screaming and I'm punching these

782
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:19.239
things and I'm kicking these things trying
to get my son back. And then

783
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.639
one of them has this weird little
thing in its hand and it touches my

784
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:24.519
nostril with it. It's got like
a glowed to me. I kind of

785
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.559
laughed it off. The first thing, like et. It was his glowing

786
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.599
finger, but like touch my nostril, and I instantly woke up, and

787
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.960
I freak out because my son is
no longer leaning next to me. Somehow

788
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.159
he managed to crawl under the covers
and made it all the way to the

789
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:37.360
foot of the bed. He's never
done that before, and he's never done

790
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:43.840
that afterwards, so that's very strange. Again coincidence that that happened. So

791
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.599
I grabbed him, I brought him
up a hell on to him, and

792
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.159
I fell back to sleep. Woke
up the next morning, went to the

793
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.360
bathroom. I looked in the mirror, has some crusty blood at the edge

794
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:53.679
of it, So I freak out. I went to tell my wife,

795
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.880
who decides to laugh about it,
saying I must have been picking my nose

796
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.840
and that's why I was dreaming that. I say this was before Christmas because

797
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.719
we had her family's Christmas party at
our house. They came over a couple

798
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.599
days before Christmas and she told her
family about it, and they were laughing

799
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:13.079
at me for fighting aliens and picking
my nose and getting probed. I was

800
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.239
like, you guys are assholes,
Like of all the weird stuff that's going

801
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:20.000
on, and you're poking fun of
me about it, because whatever. But

802
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.079
we go on vacation for New Year
to go to Disney World. We come

803
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.199
back. I think it was like
the week that we were back, so

804
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.440
it was like the first or second
week in January. I see a weird

805
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.800
little fifteen to eighteen inch shadow run
down the hallway. I got up the

806
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.199
middle of the night. I had
to go get a drink, and when

807
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.480
I came back through that's the hallway. We have lights on them, and

808
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:42.039
I could see the shadow go across
the wall and I chase after it and

809
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.239
it runs into my daughter's bedroom.
I go into the bedroom. There's nothing

810
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.519
there. Whatever it was, I
was on two legs. I just seen

811
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.760
the shadow moving on the wall.
I didn't see like the actual shadow person.

812
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.480
I just seen the shadow going across
the wall. Very strange. I

813
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.519
didn't tell my life about it at
first. I waited a few days because

814
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.800
at this point, make sure everything's
improbably crazy. Then in February and my

815
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.639
dog is chewing on something again.
My son's yelling at her, my older

816
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.559
son, and she drops a tooth
and he brings it to me like she

817
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.639
has a tooth. I looked at
it and I was like, oh,

818
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.199
it's that same tooth as she had
a couple months ago. But she must

819
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:15.920
have found it again. I showed
my wife at this point when I'm looking

820
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.760
at her, I can tell by
the look on her face she was just

821
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.159
pale looking. I'm like what,
And she wouldn't say anything. What's wrong?

822
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.400
She says, I threw that tooth
in the trash after you gave it

823
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.760
to me, and so clearly or
not, it's right here. She said,

824
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:35.280
no, I threw it in the
garbage. So somehow she thinks the

825
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.400
same tooth came back, and I
said, that's impossible. So I took

826
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.880
picture, and I had a picture
of the original one. So I put

827
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:45.760
the two pictures together. They're the
same friggin tooth. She swore she threw

828
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:47.400
it away, and I'm saying,
it's the same tooth, So how in

829
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.159
the hell did a tooth come back? So I take this tooth and I

830
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.480
go down the road and I go
to for there's a field, and I

831
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.199
threw it out in the field.
I said, I know for sure that

832
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.159
it's gone because I just watched it
go out flying in the field. I

833
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.159
came back in. I was in
the middle of February. I don't know

834
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.679
if there's been weird stuff happening.
My kids still have nightmares. I've still

835
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.199
had some random things that seem like
to get moved. But I have four

836
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.960
kids and a wife's a dog and
a cat, So who the hell knows

837
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.440
if it's moved or whatever, and
if it's not from one of them.

838
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.079
I came downstairs last night. I
have a box for whether I have a

839
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.840
tablecloth or whatever. The tablecloth has
been thrown out of the box and was

840
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.559
laying across the floor and Conbediately,
no one in my house says they did

841
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.960
it. I was like, I
don't care who. I just wanted who's

842
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.920
digging in my pund It wasn't us. That's how'd that happen. I didn't

843
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.039
do it. No one in my
house claims they did it. I don't

844
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.440
see any of that stuff paranormal because
in my mind, I think one of

845
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.559
my kids did it. When you
add everything up together, there's just a

846
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.800
lot of weird stuff that happened.
I don't know else to describe it.

847
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.639
I asked that because I've had that
my entire life. Like I said,

848
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.679
I think it just comes down to
this. I've talked to people about it

849
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.079
before. Preston Dinnett has said it
on the show a couple of times,

850
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.880
and in private everything's connected. And
I believe that once you open up your

851
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.440
things start to look back. And
I certainly believe that if it's nothing else

852
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.800
than just opening up your mind to
the possibility of their being things like this

853
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.800
that are possible, I think it
invites some of that stuff in. At

854
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.199
least it opens your mind. Even
the panel gland your third eye, you're

855
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:20.039
opening yourself up to that. I
think it makes it a little bit easier

856
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.239
for things like that that may be
nefarious to make its way in or weasel

857
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.960
its way into your life. In
some cases, I think I've had UFO

858
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.119
experiences because I'm looking up. I'm
paying attention looking up at these things.

859
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:36.440
People who go out and claim to
have bigfoot experiences are in the woods where

860
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.559
they're more apt to have one of
these experiences. So I don't think necessarily

861
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:45.000
it's anything that makes anybody like you
or I or anybody else who has those

862
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.039
kind of experiences special per se.
I think it's just the fact that you're

863
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.159
open to it, you're looking into
it. I don't know if the word's

864
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:57.039
more susceptible to some of those things. But I certainly believe that when you

865
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.039
have one experience, you can look
back in your child that I've looked back

866
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.559
myself at some of the things that
happened to me in my childhood, and

867
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.639
I think, man, i'd kind
of forgotten about that or chalked it up

868
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.719
to just being nothing. Kind Of
like you said, the Ockhams Raser thing,

869
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:10.599
Well, you know, it was
one of the kids that pulled that

870
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.840
out. But then you look back
on those things and some of those things

871
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:16.360
just don't make sense. I think
it's definitely connected, and it sounds like

872
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:20.159
you got some weird things going on. We've mentioned it a couple of times

873
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.159
before we get out of here.
Tell everybody about ten Foil Tails, Tell

874
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.639
them where they can find it,
Tell them what they can expect when they

875
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.360
get to it. Tell us a
little bit about the show. Ten Foil

876
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.239
Tells started because I wanted to try
and find answers for some of the weird

877
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.719
things that happened. My buddy and
I talked about doing a podcast. It

878
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.039
started kind of in twenty twenty,
when a huge plethora of podcast started.

879
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:43.719
Back then, I had the idea
and I just kind of kicked it around

880
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:45.280
for a while and then I didn't
actually start it until twenty twenty two.

881
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.159
It didn't start the way I wanted
it to. Basically, assposed to have

882
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.679
a co host and we were just
going to talk. It ended up turning

883
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.599
into me interviewing people. So it's
similar to what you do here. I

884
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:59.039
have guests on every episode as a
new guest, and they have experiences.

885
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.400
Some of my parents normal, some
are bigfoots, some are dog man.

886
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.559
I have people with alien abductions,
I have people with UFOs, I have

887
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.119
conspiracy episodes. I have people that
think they are the slat. I have

888
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.320
people that think all sorts of stuff. It all fits under that whole tenfoil

889
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.880
category. Because I've actually had people
give me shit about the name because they

890
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:22.960
think I'm making fun of people.
I said, that is completely not true

891
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:28.639
my own experience and the things that
I looked into. Whatever people would say,

892
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.519
I'm a tenfoil hat wear because I
believe in some of this stuff.

893
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:36.880
I'm very skeptical, I've said at
numerous times, but I'm a lot more

894
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.679
open minded than I ever used to
be, so I try not to make

895
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.360
the show about myself. I literally
just want to give a platform for people

896
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.599
to come on to share their experiences. I don't try and prove or disprove

897
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.079
anybody. I get rid of kiled
apparently for that too, because I don't

898
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.280
try and question everybody like I've had
someone come on recently and say that they

899
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.840
could go invisible, so I asked
them to prove it. It never happens.

900
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.440
I'm still waiting on that video to
show that he can disappear on camera,

901
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.800
but never had that. But for
the most part, I don't go

902
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:06.079
out of my way to try and
question anyone, just because the moment you

903
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:07.639
start trying to pick apart someone that
you're never going to have anyone and want

904
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:09.880
to come on your show again because
they're going to been here just here to

905
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.920
ridicule them or say they're crazy or
whatever, which is not what I'm up

906
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:20.039
to. It's literally me wanting to
talk to other people for my own benefit

907
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.840
of the fact that I don't want
to feel like I'm the only one that

908
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.679
had something weird. I don't ever
try and tell people I'm a podcaster in

909
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.519
that sense. I used to do
band stuff. The reason I have all

910
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.639
this recording equipment is because I did
metal vocals in a band. So I

911
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.960
started a podcast and it wasn't because
I knew anything about podcasting. I didn't

912
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:38.199
even know anything about it. Like
I didn't know that I thought Bigfoot was

913
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:42.880
a hairy man ape man. Now
everyone talks about how he's an interdimensional me

914
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.880
and is like, what, I
didn't know any of that stuff till like

915
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.440
the last couple of years doing podcasting, because that's some of the things that

916
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.119
people want to talk about. So
since I've done this show, it's been

917
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.800
eye opening to an extent because I've
learned a lot more. I just kind

918
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.320
of stumbled into doing it. Going
on two years now, I'm over one

919
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.800
hundred and something episodes, and there's
a little bit for everyone. I guess

920
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.519
if you have a open mind,
I want to hear stories about Bigfoot or

921
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.800
aliens or any type of stuff.
I recently had someone come on and talk

922
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.159
about some they'd mentioned something about giant
beavers up in Canada. I was like,

923
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:16.719
I didn't know that was a thing, but cool of hearing about that

924
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:21.519
too interesting stuff. Well, you
guys go over and check out ten Full

925
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.360
Tails. I highly recommend it.
I will link to it right here in

926
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.800
the show notes. All you got
to do is click it and follow it

927
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.519
over and you can listen on whatever
podcast app you want to get the show

928
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:31.840
on Brendon. I've had a blast
talking to you man, Thanks so much

929
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.719
for coming on the show. Hey, thanks for having me. It's been

930
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:59.360
a pleasure. They say you don't
got to go, but you can't stay

931
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:16.960
step steps, step child, this
child, that child, everything. Can

932
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:25.719
you ride back right back? Joy
from me? Enjoy staying right you come

933
00:57:25.800 --> 00:58:34.639
it right away, still stays us
to stocking. Don't talk about thessas STSSTS.

934
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.119
Thames used the FS