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My remarks tonight will be brief, but it's worth remembering that all the
celebration of this day is rooted in history. It's recorded that shortly after the
Declaration of Independence was signed in Philadelphia, celebrations took place throughout the land,
and many of the former colonists, they were just starting to call themselves Americans,
set off cannons and marched in fife and drum parades. What a contrast
with the sober scene that has taken place a short time earlier. In Independence
Hall, fifty six men came forward to sign the parchment. It was noted
at the time that they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred
honors. And that was more than rhetoric. Each of those men knew the
penalty for high treason to the crown. We must all hang together, Benjamin
Franklin said, or assuredly, we will all hang separately. And John Hancock,
it is said, wrote his signature in large script so King George could
see it without his spectacles. They were brave. They stayed brave through all
the bloodshed of the coming years, their courage created a nation built on a
universal claim to human dignity, on the proposition that every man, woman,
and child had a right to a future of freedom. For just a moment,
let us listen to the words again. We hold these truths to be
self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by
their creaty with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness. He here, and thanks so much for joining
me for the show. I hope you've had a wonderful fourth of July,
and I hope that continues on into the weekend. I got to sit down
recently and talk to Brandon from Indiana, and Brandon had a very strange encounter
with what he believes to be a dog man. We finish up with Brandon
sharing some really strange things that are going on in his house as well.
I'll let him tell you all about that in just a second. Brandon has
also a host of his own podcast. It's called Tenfoil Tails. I've got
the link right here in the show notes for you guys, please go check
out his show and show Brandon some love. Most of you know I did
a camp out and expedition last month here in North Carolina with our host Cheryl.
We had a blast up there. We had a very small group,
but we had a really good time. We've decided to do another one of
those expeditions and campouts the weekend of October fourth through the sixth. They are
only fifth teen total spots available for this camp out, and they're going fast.
If you're interested in hanging out with me and RPG Ryan Golumbeski and getting
out into the woods and doing some bigfooting, I've got the link right here
in the show notes to Ncbigfootadventures dot com. Just head over there right now
and pick up your tickets before they are gone. But enough of that,
I know you guys are ready to get into it. Brandon's on the line,
He's ready to go. All this left for you to do is sit
back, relax, and enjoy the show. Or welcome our guest of the
show. It is Brandon from Indiana. Welcome to the show. Man,
Hey, thanks for having me. I have been looking forward to this.
Let's talk a little bit about what got you interested in this cryptid, bigfoot
dog man phenomena world that we're in. What got you interested in it.
Was it your experience or was it something else for that. I was always
interested in weird stuff as a kid. I grew up a big fan of
the Monster movies and God's allays like a big favorite thing of mine. But
I never took a whole lot of stock and things could be possibly real.
I remember the Patterson Gimblin film. I was always not just a man in
a suit as a kid. Bigfoot wasn't real, dog man. I've never
heard of that before. Where Wolf's that's what people talked about. I didn't
believe in any of that stuff. I was a huge fan of the X
Files. I love when they had their weekly Monster of the Week type episodes
or whatever. But I never took a whole lot of stock into it as
basically the experience that I had that kind of changed my perspective because I was
really skeptical, and to be honest, I still am pretty skeptical. It's
hard to admit and accept the things that you saw. Even though you know
you saw it, it still doesn't make any sense. So it's one of
those things I've been questioning for all these years. I don't know how else
to describe. It's just something that shouldn't have happened, that did happen,
and there's no way of getting around it without you're like, okay, that's
what it was. As a skeptic, it's hard to admit that. I'm
right there with you. I'm very skeptical you and I've had conversations about that
in the past. Well, let's just go back in the time machine,
head back to two thousand and seven when you had your experience. Why don't
you just take us back there, tell us where you were, what you
were doing, and tell us what happened to you. I used to work
at a warehouse. I was a third shift box truck driver. It was
our Friday night. So our boss had told us if we got everything done
and we got everything delivered to the main factory in town when we got back
to the warehouse, we could get out of there early. So of course
you're going to bust ass just to try and get work done so you can
leave and get paid for and I have to be there. So that's what
we had done. It was me and several other coworkers. We got done
around four fifteen or something, four thirty. Then we started to leave.
Like she Leslie she's going to write out on her time cards. I don't
really know who all left in front of me area. I wasn't really paying
a whole lot of attention. I just know I get into my vehicle,
started up. It's in February, so it's cold. She kind of let
warm up for a little bit. I just started driving, and then I
get to the first road and I take a right, which is the way
I go to go home. Went down this road numerous times. I still
live out in the same area, so I go down the road. All
the time I'm driving. I see there's tail lights in front, and I
see his head lights too, but he's driving in front of me. We're
just going down the road. I notice the car in front of me,
he's lights swerve like he swars off the edge of the road, and then
he swears back up on the road. The first thing I'm thinking of is
like, what is this guy doing. I don't remember if I knew it
was my coworker or just happened to be a via I'm just wondering, like,
why swerve off the road. And I'm thinking a whole lot about who
it was. As I get closer to the area, there is something walking
in the middle of the road. I thought it was a person at first
because the way it was walking on two legs. And I see this black
shape coming down the middle of the road. I'm like, why is there
a person out in the middle of the night walking in the middle of are
like? Are they stupid? So as I get closer to it, it
looks like a person wrapped in a blanket because I don't see a head and
I don't see arms. For some reason, I'm thinking it's like it's a
person wrapped like a big black blanket. They're moving very weird the way they
take a step, it almost like wiggle a little bit. I've always said,
kind of glitchy looking. It didn't look normal, very strange movement patterns,
like are they drunk? This is all happening with a few seconds,
so I don't really have time to comprehend what's going on. I have to
dip my brakes. Basically, I swerve over to the side too, because
this person is not moving out of my way. As I get to like
a creeping stop, the thing walks beside me, goes on my driver's side
window, and I'm pretty sure it bumps into the mirror, and I'm trying
to see, like, who this is? What? There is no head.
I do not see arms, I don't see clothing, I don't see
fur. It's like solid black. I'm in a forward explorer and I'm trying
to look up my window. This thing is taller than my vehicle and it's
leaning forward by a good lean to itself. So I honestly don't know how
to describe the height other than my vehicle's five and a half feet to the
top. So this thing had to be at least six and a half to
seven feet tall standing straight up. There's no person in the middle of the
night that should be that tall. Walking it gets behind the vehicle and my
red lights are illuminated from the brakes. It's blocking out the light. You
can see it's solid, but it's got solidness two lights. It's not like
a shadow person or anything like that. But basically I can see it took
a step and you can see the ground and see the snother's lake. These
legs are very, very thick. This whole thing was a very thick torso
and a very thick body. It's just the way it was moving and everything
made no sense. Who was out in the middle of the night, strolling
down the road. Stumbled around at like four thirty in the morning, very
weird. So at this point I just tramp on the gas once it's away
from it, because I'm trying to figure out, like four thirty in the
morning, when the hell's going on. I keep going and just in front
of me is a road that the car in front of me pulled into and
I can see it's my coworker. So I pull up next to him.
He rolls down his window. I rolled down my window, and he's like,
did you see that? I said, yeah. He's like, it
didn't have a head. I was like, I'm glad you'd noticed that too,
because I didn't see a head either. I'm like, what was it?
Basically, I've convinced him to follow me back because I want to know
what it is, and he doesn't want to go back. I was like,
man, I want to know what this thing is because if it's a
person, what the hell are they doing out here? So if I pull
back out and he follows me, they get back to the same general area,
which is only about a quarter of a mile. It's not too far
away, but in the same exact location, there is a large black dog
lane across the road. That dog was not there when we just drove by,
because I had to run it over because it is the word it's lane
as in the middle of the lane, it's partially in the center. Something
that's laying in one side lane. It just wasn't there, Like there's no
way to getting that. I wouldn't have not seen it. But it looks
like it's dead the way it's laying there. It's got's back towards just gets
facing the direction of whatever the thing walking was. But I don't even see
the thing that was walking. But because the things in the middle of the
road, I pull up to it and I'm gonna stop. About thirty feet
I started to get out of my vehicle, and at this point the coworker
creeps up behind me and he's like, what are you doing. I was
like, well, there's a dead dog up here, so I'm walking up
to see what the hell's dog doing here? Now. For some reason,
I never thought that the dog was walking in the road, because why would
a dog be walking on two legs? That makes no sense. As I
start to get up to this creature dog whatever you want to call it.
I'm maybe fifteen feet from it, and it lifts its head up and it
turns back, and our headlights are shining in the direction of it, so
when it looks back, it's eyes start glowing from the eye shine is what
I've always said. But it lets out a very low, rumbly growl.
I don't know how to say it, feel it or whatever. It's not
like a normal dog growl. I have dogs, been around dogs. It
wasn't that type of growl. It was very low, rumbly. You could
feel it type of a growl. I just stop walking because I'm like,
oh shit, this isn't dead. What are you supposed to do when you're
walking up to something and a growl like that, You're gonna just stop.
I'm just staring at this thing, and it starts to try and move,
and at this point I hear my coworker screaming at me to get back in
the vehicle and calls me an idiot. This thing's starting to try and stand
up. It does like a little bit of a stumble on four legs,
and it stops and stands directly up, and by that I mean on two
legs like a person. I'm just staring at it because there is no absolute
way that this should happen. It did not stand up like a dog.
I've seen dogs hop around on their back hind legs. It didn't do that.
It stood up like a person would its front legs or off to its
side like a human shoulders would be like when it kind of dropped down.
It stood directly up, and a lot of people are like, oh,
you saw a bear. I know the difference between a bear in this thing.
It is not a bear. It had twenty years. It had a
long, bushy tail, and its fur was very puffy, like a child
box. It had a very canine face. It looked like a black wolf,
to be one hundred percent honest, like that was the closest thing that
I've seen to describe it. It looks like a black wolf. Now,
I've never seen a wolf standing up like a person. We're looking at each
other for maybe five seconds total, and it crouches back down, almost like
a hunkered position, and it starts to go off to the side of the
road. I'm just staring at it because the legs coming this way. You
try to figure out which wy it's going because I'm so close to it.
If it wanted to rush me, it could have grabbed me. I'm fifteen
feet from this thing. We're like face to face. I'm six foot three
more right eye. So this thing, standing up on its hind legs is
as tall, if not taller, than me. This whole area to the
south of where I'm standing as an eight foot tall fence that goes around for
like two square miles because it was a hunting preserve. It's still there.
The hunting preserve still there too. It's called X factor Bucks. Basically,
I didn't see where this thing went. It got out of the headlights,
got into the brushy area of the tree line, and I don't know if
it went over the fence, through the fence, under the fence, or
somehow I managed to disappear, But I didn't see where it went at this
point. It was just gone. So I go back to my car.
For some reason, I'm not thinking all I can move. So I walked
back to the car and my coworker had gotten out at this point, and
he's standing beside my vehicle. So as I walk up to him, trying
to talk about what the hell's going on, I happened to look down on
the ground, and this is the strangest part for me. There's also a
field mouse standing between us, and the mouse is standing on its hind legs
too, but it's using its front paws to wipe its face. Its bodies
all wet, its face is all wet, and it's using its paws to
wipe itself clean, like it's cleaning itself. I show my coworker, like
you see this, and we look down. I take my foot and I
nudge this mouse, so I push it a little bit. It's completely oblivious
that I touched it. It just keeps cleaning itself. And at this point,
I'm like, I'm done out going home. I don't know what's going
on here. But like the first thing walking in the road, a dog
stands up on two legs, and now there's a mouse over here, not
caring that I just touched it. Like there's some weird stuff going on here.
And I'm done going home. So we both got in our vehicles and
I drove across the highway. He turned on the highway, he went home,
and I went home. I went to bed. I woke up the
next morning, I got on the internet and I went to and explain mysteries
dot org or something like I can say. I forum on there and they
had weird crypto type things. I had sketched a picture of this dog because
for some reason, I'm thinking Werewolf, because that's back in February two thousan
seven. I didn't know anything else, Like, I wasn't into the whole
communities of cryptis or anything like that, so I'm still thinking were Well,
someone says I saw a Michigan dog man. I posted it on there,
and I was like, well, what is a Michigan dog man? So
I started to go down that rabbit hole and I saw a bunch of pictures
of people that drew and it's and I was like, it's very, very
similar looking to this thing, except what I saw did not have the typical
descriptions of what these dogmen things have. It didn't have humanoid hands like raccoon
fingers or anything. It literally had normal dog palls. Everything about it looked
like a normal canine, like a normal normal dog, except for the fact
that it stood up on two legs, and it looked like it should be
able to walk on two legs. Because I had no problem standing up on
two legs, and I'm pretty sure. When I walked off, when it
crunched like hunkered down, it only walked on its back legs. It kept
its front legs like pulled up to itself. I don't know how to describe
it other than that first I thought I was a person in a werewolf costume,
because that's what made the most sense. But if you think about it,
why would someone be in a werewolf costume in the Old World road in
the middle of the night. And not only that, but like, how
do they make it growl? How do they make the eyes reflect? For
just I'm doing a prank. That is a really stupid thing to do,
and they had to spend a lot of money on a costume that realistic,
so to even go that routes even seem stupid to even talk about it.
But the whole thing doesn't make any sense. But I basically got all this
information about what these dog men things are and some of the stuff about them,
and I went back to work and I went up to my coworker I
show him like, this is what I found, is what I did.
And other people here and so I start giggling and laughing, like, oh,
did you run over a were wolf? And a poking fun which pisses
off my coworker, so he pulls me aside and tells me to knock it
off. He doesn't want to talk about it. It was just a dog.
There's nothing weird, just some weird dog. Leave it alone. He
doesn't want people thinking he's crazy. He's not going to bring it up anymore.
If I keep talking about it, he's just going to deny it,
tell everyone that he doesn't know what I'm talking about. So for fifteen years
I agreed with it. I was like, yeah, it was just a
dog, because that's the only logical explanation. It was a dog, because
everything about it looked like a dog is a for the fact that can walk
like a person and stand up like a human. That doesn't explain what the
first thing walking in the road was, because that thing was bigger than what
this dog was. That thing I didn't see a head, I didn't see
arms. He saw that too, because he used the one that swerved off
in the grass to miss that. And the first thing he said to me
is it didn't have a head. So saying it was a dog doesn't explain
away that the legs were a lot more thicker on the first thing walking,
whatever that was. But it also doesn't explain the mouse. The mouse,
to me is weird because I physically touched it, so I know it was
real. It was solid. It wasn't illusions. People are like, oh,
you guys are on drugs or drunk. Please explain to me the first
time someone's ever had a mass hallucination at the same time with the same person,
Like, that doesn't happen. If someone's doing drugs, you don't have
the same type of hallucination together. Why would you swerve off the road and
then come back? Now that makes any sense either. I can hundred percent
swear on whatever. I don't do drugs and never have. It's not my
thing. For my own self, I didn't do anything. We'd just gotten
off work. I wish I could say I was just tired and I was
dreaming it. But again, how could two people be having the same dream
doesn't make any sense. I've looked for every possible explanation to write this off
as being nothing more than just a normal dog, because that's the only thing
that I can say that makes sense. It has to be something. Because
I'm skeptical about a lot of the stuff. There's no way this could be
a dog man because they don't exist. Stuff like that isn't real. It's
all made up. It's all Hollywood stuff. But what did I see?
I know what I saw, So that's where you're like, what do you
do about it? So I never talked about it, just because I didn't
want people think I'm crazy, because to me, if someone told me what
happened, I'd think they're crazy. If I didn't dive into this type of
stuff or whatever and know more about it, I'd just be like, Oh,
he's lying, he's full of crab, or he's crazy or whatever,
because that's what most people do that don't believe in this type of stuff.
But that was the only time I've ever seen this type of stuff. Again,
I live in the same area. I've drove that road hundreds of times.
I drive it almost every day. I've never had an experience before,
and I've never had any experience after that. What will happen that night is
kind of why I'm I still search for the answers because that's what put me
on the path that I'm on right now. Basically because I know it wasn't
just a normal dog. You could even say possibly that you guys saw a
dog. Obviously when you stopped and went back, that sounded very canine like
you guys were looking at Okay, that's a dog that's gotten ran over or
whatever. But the first thing that you saw with the dough head, the
no arms much larger, and then the mouse. As you're telling the story,
I'm making notes and I'm writing down wet mouse. It's some of the
weirdest shit I've ever heard, to be honest with you, but to me,
that's what makes it so compelling in a way, because there has to
be more to this. You and I have had conversations about dog Man the
past in general, off the air night for a show or anything. We've
talked about some of that and how I feel about dog Man, and I'll
be honest, man, it's been one of the hardest pills for me to
swallow doing this. I'm primarily a bigfoot guy. I research bigfoot. I
go out in the woods and look for these things. I think there's a
possibility there there. I'm not one hundred percent convinced that they're real. Then
you have these people that are having these experiences. I've tried to explain it
away with kangaroos. There are wild kangaroos that are loose in certain areas of
America, and I think that there have been, in some cases maybe some
misidentifications of people seeing these things and thinking their dog man, because if you
compare the two side by side, there are some real comparisons to be had
there. But the majority of the time people are like, absolutely not,
that's laughable. It's a joke to even say that. So there is something
to the phenomenon, and stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see. We'll
be right back after these messages. I don't know when the first depictions of
these dog man things started. I know the whole dog man lored started with
a song. But if you could look back into history in France at the
werewolf trials that was back in like the seventeen hundreds, I think it was
the Native Americans. There's been depictions of humanoid wolf type figures on cave paintings
throughout history. There have been stories of werewolves throughout Europe. So when I
started looking into that type of stuff, maybe there was something more to it.
Again, I don't really believe it. It's just hard to accept something
that you have been programmed to not believe because it doesn't make any sense.
Out of four hundred and sixty some hid episodes of this show, I think
you're the third or fourth person that I've ever talked to and you don't even
say dog man. I'm the one saying dog man here. To be fair,
you have never said that to me in any of our conversations that I
saw dog man. You saw an upright K nine looking figures. I think
how you describe it, but for all intensive purposes, we're talking about it
dog man experience. And you're the third or fourth person that I've actually talked
to and interviewed for the show that have had some kind of experience with something
that they would consider to be an upright bipedal K nine type creature. In
the first couple of times I talked to people, the first lady I interviewed
had had maybe six experiences with these things over the course of her life.
It started in childhood. She was an adult at this point in her I
would say late thirties, maybe even mid forties at this point when I interviewed
her, and she is an emt out in I think Texas. Is the
last thing that she told me about the last couple of incidents she had with
these things. She hit one of them with her truck. It was crossing
the road chasing deer, and it smacked into the side of her truck.
She hit one of these things and had to go home and explain it to
her husband that she didn't hit a deer, she hit a dog man with
her truck. Then she had an experience where she thinks that Sasquatch Bigfoot may
have chased one of these things out of an area that she was in because
she saw them in relatively close proximity to one another at different times on this
trail. She feels like Bigfoot was saving her from something nefarious. She thought
this thing was out to get her. Basically, some of the other people
I've had on DA Roberts comes to mind. I've talked to da former police
officer and he thinks he's seen these things a couple of times. Then I've
talked to Jody Cook. You know, he's pretty prolific when it comes to
dog man and Bigfoot research. He's had tons of interviews with people, and
I think Jody's had his own experiences of what he believes to be dog Man.
So there's definitely something to the phenomenon. I just don't know how to
rationalize that. Of course, it says the person who believes it as possible,
there's an eight foot Harry Homini is roaming around North America that's undiscovered.
But at least that is more plausible to me on the line of cryptids,
because we have great apes, we have primates where primates ourselves, so it's
not too far of a stretch to think that something may go undiscovered for all
these millennia. They might be very similar to us. I think there's always
that lore of that's a possibility. But for dog man, any kind of
upright to caneid creature, it's never made sense to me. I don't know
how to rationalize it other than saying, and I've said this before, I
certainly believe in spirits. I believe in the afterlife. I've dealt with haunted
houses and in the past, so I believe that that realm exists. I
think if these things are here and people like yourself are seeing what you think
you saw, I think there's more too. The man. I think they're
coming from some other place. I don't know how they would fit in the
natural world upright. Bipedal canines don't make sense in any stretch of the imagination.
They're not built to walk upright. That's why they look so weird in
the movies when they make were wolves walk upright like that. They're just not
built to do that right. So that in and of itself is fascinating to
me. But have you considered that Over the year, we're going to talk
a little bit about you're not just an experience or you're also a fellow a
podcaster with an awesome podcast, The Tenfold Tails. Have you interviewed or talked
to people? Have you even tried to seek out people who have seen something
similar to you? Have you ever come across a story where there was these
other layers? I mean, dog Man stories are I don't want to say
a dime a dozen, but they're podcasts out there that have hundreds of episodes
that are dedicated to doing nothing but people having experiences and encounters with dog Man.
But have you tried to seek that out or have you heard of anybody
else who had a similar story to you with these other weird components, Like
the first thing that you guys saw walking across the road that you had to
swerve and then this weird mouse connection and then having this siding with an upright
canan like that, I haven't heard anything similar to that. I've interviewed folks
that have they'd saw something something on the side of the road. Someone said
that one come up and ran into the side of their vehicle, but they've
never had the experience like how mine was. That's the only reason, to
be one hundred percent I even started at my show was because I did it
for my own selfish reasons, like I wanted to find answers. I wanted
to talk to other people because maybe it would help me cope with what happened
to me. I don't say it as like I was traumatized or anything like,
because I know some people that have experiences they're terrified of going outside or
in the woods or whatever. I never went out in the woods in the
first place, so it has an impact to me. I was never that
type of person. But in the back of my mind, I've always wanted
to know what it really was, because for fifteen years I said it was
a dog. It was a dog that was playing with a mouse, and
someone must have ran the dog over. So mysteriously learned how to walk on
its back legs, and that's when we drove by the first time it was
walking around. That's why I walked funny. But that doesn't explain why we
didn't see a head, or why we didn't see arms, or why it
was so much bigger. But no one's ever had any experiences that I've spoken
with and had any of the same elements as to like the weirdness has happened.
I've talked to people that believe these things are one hundred percent and are
dimensional. I've talked to people that think they're just like bigfoots, they're flesh
and blood. I've had someone tell me that the first thing I encounter was
a bigfoot who just got done beating the shit out of the dog man,
and that's when I came back. That's why the dog man was laying in
the road. The mouse apparently was just an innocent bystander that was traumatized because
he saw it. So he's just standing there being in the middle of a
battle. I laughed that at all, because it's it's kind of funny to
me. I don't want to try and discredit anyone that comes on here and
shares experiences on my show or yours or anyone else, because that's again why
I do my show. I don't try to prove or disprove anybody, but
I think I've had some people that have not been one hundred percent honest about
certain things. There's certain elements that I don't necessarily agree with, but I
wasn't there, so I'm not going to say that they're not being honest.
At the same time, no one has ever really had the details to certain
aspects. How do you have all these details? How do you know what
it was thinking? And people's stories get blown out of proportion from here and
there, like you hear them on someone else's show, their stuff's changed.
When it comes back to the dog Man in general, I've only had a
few dog Man interviews because that's not what the focus of my show is about.
For me personally, I wanted to talk to people that dog Man experiences,
but that's like not my primary thing. My shows literally pretty much opened
anything strange like UFOs, Ghost dog Man, Bigfoot, conspiracy, anything that's
strange. Why in Foil tells the whole Tenfoil thing I actually thought of because
originally it was dive into stories about weird conspiracy stuff, cover up stuff,
whatever that goes on that they don't want us to know about. It's just
evolved to what it is now. I do have some information about some of
the stuff that's happened in this area if you want to hear about it,
not just to me, it to other people. In nineteen ninety if someone
else had an experience now where we live, I don't want to give one
hundred percent locations the only people out here trespassing on other people's lands. Nineteen
ninety along the river, there were someone that was camping apparently a quote unquote
where wolf ran into their campsite on two legs and started tearing shit up and
scared them all out of there. They all left everything they ran off.
I was at a speaking event a couple months back, and someone said that
they would have liked to talk to me something like they said in nineteen eighty
six or eighty seven. I forget what it was. They were out by
the reservoir, because where we lived there is a reservoir not too far outside
of town. They were being stalked by large canines in the woodline. When
they're out on the hiking trails. They'd saw them. They were very large
black wolf looking canines that were stalking them from the edge of the woods.
So they hurried up and got out of there. This whole area used to
be part of the Miami Indians tribe, but there's still a recognized tribe here.
They still have their own little lands and stuff. I'm trying to get
in with someone that actually can talk to them better and see some of their
stories, because there were supposedly legends of this whole area having large humanoid wolf
type creatures from their old lore. Now I can't one hundred percent say that's
true or whatever because I've never actually spoken to them. That's just second hand
and then told to me by someone else. Again, when I hear stuff
like that, I want to find out for myself and actually talk to someone.
But there are those stories that linger around here to this whole area,
apparently throughout the year's weird upright walking canine stories. There's so much of that.
Honestly, the Beast of Bray Road is one of the big stories that
people know when it comes to wolf like creatures the land between the Lakes.
There's a story, I think in the seventies where there were supposedly some people
killed. Of course, people go back and forth. Some people think it's
completely one hundred percent bullshit, and then there's some people who believe it actually
happened. I've actually talked to the people who were there. I talked to
the police, so you get all of that stuff again. It fascinates me.
I want to ask you, did you ever circle back to your co
worker. Did you guys ever have a follow up conversation maybe after that died
down, get to talk to him about what he thought it was that you
guys saw that night, or he just leave it at it was just a
dog, don't talk to me about it anymore. I never really brought it
up to him again. I agreed with him at the time. I'm just
like, all right, it was a dog, because that's what I wanted
to believe. As bad as it sounds, I knew it wasn't, but
for some reason, I didn't want to accept that it was something else.
And the one person that can one hundred percent verify that with me didn't want
to talk about it. So I've chalked it up to no, it's just
a dog. But he actually got laid off. I never really saw the
guy again, and we weren't like buddies or anything like that. Like we
talked at work and this and that, but other than that, we never
really had any conversations outside of work. So I don't know whatever happened to
him. I said, with the technology today as social media, I could
probably find him. It's been seventeen years now. That is he gonna want
to talk about it now if he still has the stance of it was just
a dog, that's fine. I'll one hundred percent say yeah, sure,
that's what I said too, it was just a dog. But explain to
me how a dog stands up like a human. That's the weirdest part for
me is I can't explain that I can see dogs standing up on two legs.
I've never seen a dog stand up like a person. That is definitely
weird. But I'll tell you the weirdest thing I think for me that's sticking
out in the entire experience is the wet field mouse that's standing in the middle
of the road right next to where you guys. My brain is just trying
to draw some sort of correlation or connection to how that could possibly play into
the story. So there's got to be somebody out there listening who knows more
about this than Brandon or I that could send me an email and let me
know how there's some sort of a connection, or maybe somebody else has had
another story. It's it sounds weird, but I don't know if you got
into some sort of a wrinkle. I don't want to say portal because that
has just such a horrible connotations for me and most everybody in the Bigfoot cryptid
world. Some people are definitely into that kind of stuff, but for me.
Wayne and I have been talking about this on that Bigfoot podcast a lot
lately. In some of the missing persons reports and stuff that he's done,
he's considered the fact that some of these weirder cases, maybe people stumble out
into the woods and get into something like that, whether it be a wrinkle
in time to another dimension, even a portal where something is coming and going
and you just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or
right place at the right time, however you want to look at it.
I guess I just don't know what else to make of it. I see
your coworker there, you talk to me, go back, and there's a
dog and then the dog gets up walks away like a person. Then you
go back to your vehicle. Now now there's a mouse standing on it and
sign like washing itself. It's so random it makes no sense to me.
It sounds crazy. It's what I've always says. I don't even believe my
own encounter, even though I was there to experience. Like to me,
it just sounds crazy, like there's no way it could be true. But
I know what happened. So that's why I scratch my head about it,
because it's like it just does not make any sort of sense. Now I
have had one person and again I being skeptical. I don't say one way
or the other. But they said the thing was all the same thing.
The first thing was bleeding into our reality if there are alternate realities, different
dimensions or whatever. The first thing was taking shape. It was turned it
into the dog. Okay, I'll say that's plausible. Then I wasn't afraid
of the dog, so turned into the mouse. So then you're getting to
the point of it being a shape shifter. I know there's lots of Native
American laws about shape shifters and other things like that too. And then with
it's being a lot of Native American land. I'm sure they've had their own
stories about shape shifters. I don't know if it's all connected to the lands,
because again, there's two big rivers within a mile to the north from
where this happened as a river. Then about two to three miles to the
south is another river, So this whole area is strategically placed. I can
imagine hundreds of years ago, they're probably prominently Native American lands through here just
because of where the water sources are. So I don't know if that has
anything to do with it or not. Someone says that dog men travel along
rivers. I don't know how anyone knows all this stuff, because you can't
even I prove dog men exist. But there's a lot of so called experts
out there that know all sorts of shit about dog men. Yeah, it's
pretty prevalent in the bigfoot community as well. I don't ever take anything that
somebody says definitively about anything. That just makes sense. If it's a large
what you would consider to be an apex predator like a wolf, a bear,
bigfoot, or dog man, I guess it would make sense that they
would travel waterways because that's what animals do. But outside of that, nobody
knows about it. It's nothing that anybody knows definitively, that's for sure.
I was thinking the same thing when you were telling the story and sharing your
experience. I was thinking, is this thing the same thing? If this
is some sort of an inter dimensional thing that you guys happened to just drive
into for lack of a better term. Was this thing the same thing for
whatever reason and it ended up being a mouse? I don't know. I
guess that's if any of this is in the realm of possibility that we're talking
about. I think any of those things have to be considered for sure.
I just don't know. Man, it really makes me scratch my head.
I have to ask you, though, you drive this road all the time
and you've never seen anything like that before, But have you had other strange
experiences? Because what I found, at least for me personally, people who
have some of the stranger experiences one way or the other with one phenomena or
the other ten do have other experiences. I used to say on my show
when i'd have people come on, going back to what you were saying earlier,
people like to stretch the truth. They add to their stories. They
like to have multiple stories, they like to have experiences and multiple things.
And I used to have people on that would talk about Bigfoot and then they
talk about seeing alien craft or what they believe to be extraterrestrial craft. I
was like, Ah, it's a little weird that you have all this stuff
going on. But then I'm one of those people, right, I had
what I believed to be multiple possible experiences with Bigfoot. Never seen one,
but had experiences I think might have been Sasquatch related. I've seen multiple UFOs,
I've lived in haunted houses. I've had weird deja vu experiences, other
things that would be considered telepathy or I don't know what you would call it,
that I've had experiences with As a kid, we have weird stuff that
goes on in the house up until even currently, it all kind of goes
together. We bought this house in twenty twenty now. Prior to that,
other than the one random walking caneine encounter, I never really had any sort
of weird experiences that I'm aware of. I'm not going to say I didn't
have any. I'm just I don't think they were again being skeptical. I
always write things off as just explainable. But we bought this house. The
people that we bought it from were an older couple and that they've lived here
for it was almost twenty five years, I think, and the house was
built in nineteen seventy eight or seventy nine, so it wasn't super old,
and no one's ever passed away. And we moved in. I was painting.
My dog makes a growling noise because at the time, if a leaf
blue, he would be parking his head off. He started growling in the
living room with something, so I poke my head around there and I tell
him to knock it off. But I hear the floor creek, and it
only does that when someone takes a step. There's a certain board that used
to do it. I say, it still does it, but I've noticed
now that since I've stabilized the basements, it doesn't make that noise now.
Well. A couple of weeks goes by and my wife and iron bed.
The room next to us is my daughter's bedroom. We have a baby mim
her in there. We just put her down to sleep. My life and
I were laying to sleep. The baby monitors on in our room, one
of those camera types so you can hear and see her. But our windows
have the old pull down blinds to them, and for some reason that blind
just shot up, scared the shit out of us. We laughed, pulled
the blind back down because of my mind. Again, that's not paranormal.
We just didn't pull the blind down. But the next thing that happens within
five minutes. I can try and explain that a way too. But if
we heard a voice through the monitor that says mine, just like that,
it sounded low, and it sounded like a man, and it sounded really
frigging evil. So I said, nope. I ran into the bedroom,
I got my daughter, brought her into the room with us. Just the
timing of the blind shooting up and then that voice coming right down below where
the blind is is the table where the monitor's at. That's just too much
of a coincidence. And I'm not one that believes in a whole lot of
coincidences. But we brought our daughter in again, just kind of a little
paranoid about that. It's your child. A couple of days go by and
my wife's changing our daughters. She has three large scratch marks down her back.
So I flip out because I go in over predictive dad mode. I
go through every room in the house and I start trying to banish whatever it
is so with my children or whatever it bothers me. But I'm not one
that's religious, and I'm not one that's a big believer in all this type
of stuff. But what do you do when it's your child? So I
did whatever I could do. I went through every room, tried to banish
whatever negative energies are around. I said, in the name of Jesus,
get out of here. Whatever I had to do, I honestly thought it
worked because we never had any more instances again than I'm aware of, up
until recently. And then I've started putting things back together and I'm like,
oh shit, this has just been continually going on. I didn't realize it,
so I don't know the exact timeframe. But my daughter got an imaginary
friend. Her imaginary friend is named Chloe. Now, the thought of an
imaginary friend creeps me out in general, because it's just something I think is
strange. But my wife said it's normal for kids, So whatever. Stay
tuned for more Sasquatch out to see we'll be right back. After these messages,
she said that Chloe is Blue's best friend's name on that cartoon show,
and my daughter loved Blue's so I was like, okay, whatever. It
just got to the point where she would talk about Chloe saying things or doing
things. Chloe lives down in the basement of crawl space. I was like,
that's strange. But it kept to where I had to ask her what
does Chloe look like? And I don't remember the exact if. She said
she'd either blue or purple, but she told me a color. I think
it was purple. She's purple. I said, why is she purple?
She said, because she's dead. I'm like, what she said, she's
a ghost. My daughter is like three years old at the time. She
shouldn't even know what the hell of ghost is litt alone correlate that to being
purple. So I freak out. I said, Chloe's not allowed to be
don't talk to Chloe. You can't be friends with Chloe. Whatever goes on,
no more Chloe. This was right before I started my show, so
this was happened in like spring summer of twenty twenty two. I started to
look into more things because again, I'm not one that's a big believer in
a lot of this stuff. And then I started my show, started talking
to other people. I started looking for guests, and someone sent me a
message, some random internet person, and they quote it n each year wherever
it's pronounced, but basically says, when you start looking into these things,
things start looking back. But the first message they sent to me wasn't that.
It was I feel bad for you and your family. Right, I'm
worried about you and your family. So of course I'm like, hi,
And that's what they said, when you start looking into things, things to
start looking back. My daughter started having night terrors, start sleeping bad,
like she wanted to wake up, be crying when come in our bedroom,
had a bad dream. I never really took a whole lot of stock into
it, like, oh, she's three, little kid having nightmares. He's
done my married all the time, like it's normal. Last spring, this
has been over a year now. I kind of took a break from doing
this. I had so many things recorded. I took a couple months break.
Her sleeping pattern changed, she's backsleep and fine everything else. I started
the show back up. There's no more issues and for some reason. Back
in September, my older kids decided that they were going to bring some friends
over, and they were down in the basement. They came upstairs and they
asked for some candles and a lighter, and that I heard everything that was
going on. I just assumed that they wanted to make the basement smell better
or something. I didn't know. I hear them start screaming, and I
looked directly at my wife and I said, I bet they're doing a seunds.
I run downstairs and lo and behold, here they were trying to make
a makeshift weedi board to communicate with spirits. Whatever they were using supposedly moved.
I flipped on the kids. Needless to say, one of their friends
has never came back. She probably went home and told them that the crazy
dad was screaming at us about demons and summoning some evil spirits. But that's
what I feel like I had to do, because that's something you don't just
screw around with. I'm superstitious. I might be skeptical, but I'm superstitious.
I've never been one to mess with the Ouiji board. I don't think
they're a good idea. Some people say, oh, they're just toys.
I don't want to take that chance, especially with the stuff's that happened before,
because try and explain three scratch marks down your baby's back to me.
The number three is very significant because if you go into the whole religious aspects
or whatever, that's demonic in the sense that it's mocking the Holy Trinity.
I was raised as a Christian kid in a Pentecostal church. I know all
about that type of stuff. I don't practice it today. I'm not necessarily
a full unbeliever, but I still have my own guard up when it comes
to stuff like that. Right after that happens, my two year old son
started having sleeping pattern issues. He decided he's gonna wake up in middle of
nine and he wanted to come sleep in our bedroom. Our daughter's doing it
again. So I have a two year old and a four year old that
were wanting to come sleep with mom and Dad didn't think a whole lot about
it. Then I forget exactly when this was. I think it was in
November. There was a strange orange glowing. I honestly thought it was just
a flare because there's a factory a few miles to the north, and they
actually used to make flares. On't know if they still do. I thought
it was one of them testing out a flair. But I've lived out here.
I grew up out in this whole area. My parents lived a couple
of miles north of US. I could see the factors from there. I've
lived out here since twenty Why it's almost thirty something years I've been in this
area. I've never once seen them ever test a flare, but this looked
like a flare, so I just assumed, well, maybe they're tested on
a flare. It was stationary, an orange glowing ball, looked like a
fireball, and just above the tree line. I yelled for my wife,
yelled for my son. Never once did I think they grab my phone.
I've literally criticized people for never doing that. How ca you sit there and
say you watch something and never thought about recording it? My dumb assids starre
and watches it for like two minutes. Never grab my phone, and I
never even thought about it. It was stationary. It went up a little
bit and moved over to the right, and it just completely disappeared. It
didn't fly off, So I can't say that the UFO but it was in
the sky and I don't know what it was, so I thought that was
weird. Then it gets a little bit weirder because a couple of weeks go
by out front of the house we're coming home, and this time I actually
remember to record it, and that's what's even weirder. I thought it was
starlink. I see these lights out in front of the house and there in
rows, but they're just sitting there. They're not moving like starlink. So
I threw my phone to my wife. We're up at the stop signs.
I record this because I'd already remembered I didn't record the last time something was
out there. I told her to record it. She records about two seconds
and we hit a bump and apparently shit the button again, so you can
see it for like two split seconds. And didn't realize that she wasn't recording.
We got opens to the house. She tried to record it again,
and you can't really see it. When I try and send the video from
my phone to people, they claim me don't see anything, which I think
is strange because you can clearly see it on my phone. I don't know
if it's the quality of it being sent off for whatever makes it door it's
impossible to see. I have no idea. But about a week or so
later, and again the timeline for me without I didn't write it any of
this down because I didn't really think a whole lot about it, my son
started saying ghost. Now he's two, he's laying in bed with us.
He's looking up at the ceiling and he says, daddy ghost, ghost,
daddy ghost. My wife's like, are you listening to him? And I'm
facing the wall. I was like, yep, I'm not looking. I
don't want to see it. And he keeps saying like he gets closer to
her, like he nudges up against her and keeps pointing to the ceiling,
saying daddy ghost. So I roll over and look up, and I see
nothing. I have no idea what he's looking at. My te year old
barely spoke at the time. He's just now talking a lot better. But
back then, back in December, he wasn't speaking a whole lot. So
for him to say ghosts, that is a very very specific word that he
should not even know, Like he can barely see anything, but that's one
word he can say. So that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me, so I wouldn't warning up Paul. I brought it back to him,
and then as load as getting up to go get it, he said,
oh daddy, ghost, ghost going always like do you hear him?
Like, yeah, I heard him that when it's your children, though,
what do you do? Like I said, I don't remember that this happened
before or not, but like, I don't even think this was even related
until later on. But my dog was chewing on something. I'm like,
what do you got? And then she ends up dropping what looks like a
tooth, and I thought it was like a normal dog tooth, Like why
is she losing teeth? She's only three. So I pick up the tooth
and I look at it. I was like, this doesn't look like a
dog tooth, though it looks like a kid tooth, like a little kid's
tooth. None of the kid's lost any teeth. So I kept it and
I laid till my wife to get home from work. I showed it to
her and she agreed that the end does look like a kid's tooth, that
there's like a root to us. So it's weird that when the kid's tooth
falls out, it doesn't have a root, like, yeah, I don't
know. I never thought about that tooth again for a while. And this
is right before Christmas. But basically I was having a dream, I say
dream, and this is where I'm like, sound like batshit crazy, But
in this dream, there was something trying to take my kid. And they
look like I'm not saying they're aliens or anything, looks short, little pinkish
colored. They looked like humans, but they didn't look like alien like everyone
says, oh, the gray alien. They didn't have big eyes, they
had like normal humanoid looking features, but they real shorter, I don't want
to say their dwarf short, like something bad or hobbit looking people. They
didn't look proportionate. They didn't have any clothing on. They're just really fleshy
looking, and they're pulling on my kid and he's screaming and I'm punching these
things and I'm kicking these things trying to get my son back. And then
one of them has this weird little thing in its hand and it touches my
nostril with it. It's got like a glowed to me. I kind of
laughed it off. The first thing, like et. It was his glowing
finger, but like touch my nostril, and I instantly woke up, and
I freak out because my son is no longer leaning next to me. Somehow
he managed to crawl under the covers and made it all the way to the
foot of the bed. He's never done that before, and he's never done
that afterwards, so that's very strange. Again coincidence that that happened. So
I grabbed him, I brought him up a hell on to him, and
I fell back to sleep. Woke up the next morning, went to the
bathroom. I looked in the mirror, has some crusty blood at the edge
of it, So I freak out. I went to tell my wife,
who decides to laugh about it, saying I must have been picking my nose
and that's why I was dreaming that. I say this was before Christmas because
we had her family's Christmas party at our house. They came over a couple
days before Christmas and she told her family about it, and they were laughing
at me for fighting aliens and picking my nose and getting probed. I was
like, you guys are assholes, Like of all the weird stuff that's going
on, and you're poking fun of me about it, because whatever. But
we go on vacation for New Year to go to Disney World. We come
back. I think it was like the week that we were back, so
it was like the first or second week in January. I see a weird
little fifteen to eighteen inch shadow run down the hallway. I got up the
middle of the night. I had to go get a drink, and when
I came back through that's the hallway. We have lights on them, and
I could see the shadow go across the wall and I chase after it and
it runs into my daughter's bedroom. I go into the bedroom. There's nothing
there. Whatever it was, I was on two legs. I just seen
the shadow moving on the wall. I didn't see like the actual shadow person.
I just seen the shadow going across the wall. Very strange. I
didn't tell my life about it at first. I waited a few days because
at this point, make sure everything's improbably crazy. Then in February and my
dog is chewing on something again. My son's yelling at her, my older
son, and she drops a tooth and he brings it to me like she
has a tooth. I looked at it and I was like, oh,
it's that same tooth as she had a couple months ago. But she must
have found it again. I showed my wife at this point when I'm looking
at her, I can tell by the look on her face she was just
pale looking. I'm like what, And she wouldn't say anything. What's wrong?
She says, I threw that tooth in the trash after you gave it
to me, and so clearly or not, it's right here. She said,
no, I threw it in the garbage. So somehow she thinks the
same tooth came back, and I said, that's impossible. So I took
picture, and I had a picture of the original one. So I put
the two pictures together. They're the same friggin tooth. She swore she threw
it away, and I'm saying, it's the same tooth, So how in
the hell did a tooth come back? So I take this tooth and I
go down the road and I go to for there's a field, and I
threw it out in the field. I said, I know for sure that
it's gone because I just watched it go out flying in the field. I
came back in. I was in the middle of February. I don't know
if there's been weird stuff happening. My kids still have nightmares. I've still
had some random things that seem like to get moved. But I have four
kids and a wife's a dog and a cat, So who the hell knows
if it's moved or whatever, and if it's not from one of them.
I came downstairs last night. I have a box for whether I have a
tablecloth or whatever. The tablecloth has been thrown out of the box and was
laying across the floor and Conbediately, no one in my house says they did
it. I was like, I don't care who. I just wanted who's
digging in my pund It wasn't us. That's how'd that happen. I didn't
do it. No one in my house claims they did it. I don't
see any of that stuff paranormal because in my mind, I think one of
my kids did it. When you add everything up together, there's just a
lot of weird stuff that happened. I don't know else to describe it.
I asked that because I've had that my entire life. Like I said,
I think it just comes down to this. I've talked to people about it
before. Preston Dinnett has said it on the show a couple of times,
and in private everything's connected. And I believe that once you open up your
things start to look back. And I certainly believe that if it's nothing else
than just opening up your mind to the possibility of their being things like this
that are possible, I think it invites some of that stuff in. At
least it opens your mind. Even the panel gland your third eye, you're
opening yourself up to that. I think it makes it a little bit easier
for things like that that may be nefarious to make its way in or weasel
its way into your life. In some cases, I think I've had UFO
experiences because I'm looking up. I'm paying attention looking up at these things.
People who go out and claim to have bigfoot experiences are in the woods where
they're more apt to have one of these experiences. So I don't think necessarily
it's anything that makes anybody like you or I or anybody else who has those
kind of experiences special per se. I think it's just the fact that you're
open to it, you're looking into it. I don't know if the word's
more susceptible to some of those things. But I certainly believe that when you
have one experience, you can look back in your child that I've looked back
myself at some of the things that happened to me in my childhood, and
I think, man, i'd kind of forgotten about that or chalked it up
to just being nothing. Kind Of like you said, the Ockhams Raser thing,
Well, you know, it was one of the kids that pulled that
out. But then you look back on those things and some of those things
just don't make sense. I think it's definitely connected, and it sounds like
you got some weird things going on. We've mentioned it a couple of times
before we get out of here. Tell everybody about ten Foil Tails, Tell
them where they can find it, Tell them what they can expect when they
get to it. Tell us a little bit about the show. Ten Foil
Tells started because I wanted to try and find answers for some of the weird
things that happened. My buddy and I talked about doing a podcast. It
started kind of in twenty twenty, when a huge plethora of podcast started.
Back then, I had the idea and I just kind of kicked it around
for a while and then I didn't actually start it until twenty twenty two.
It didn't start the way I wanted it to. Basically, assposed to have
a co host and we were just going to talk. It ended up turning
into me interviewing people. So it's similar to what you do here. I
have guests on every episode as a new guest, and they have experiences.
Some of my parents normal, some are bigfoots, some are dog man.
I have people with alien abductions, I have people with UFOs, I have
conspiracy episodes. I have people that think they are the slat. I have
people that think all sorts of stuff. It all fits under that whole tenfoil
category. Because I've actually had people give me shit about the name because they
think I'm making fun of people. I said, that is completely not true
my own experience and the things that I looked into. Whatever people would say,
I'm a tenfoil hat wear because I believe in some of this stuff.
I'm very skeptical, I've said at numerous times, but I'm a lot more
open minded than I ever used to be, so I try not to make
the show about myself. I literally just want to give a platform for people
to come on to share their experiences. I don't try and prove or disprove
anybody. I get rid of kiled apparently for that too, because I don't
try and question everybody like I've had someone come on recently and say that they
could go invisible, so I asked them to prove it. It never happens.
I'm still waiting on that video to show that he can disappear on camera,
but never had that. But for the most part, I don't go
out of my way to try and question anyone, just because the moment you
start trying to pick apart someone that you're never going to have anyone and want
to come on your show again because they're going to been here just here to
ridicule them or say they're crazy or whatever, which is not what I'm up
to. It's literally me wanting to talk to other people for my own benefit
of the fact that I don't want to feel like I'm the only one that
had something weird. I don't ever try and tell people I'm a podcaster in
that sense. I used to do band stuff. The reason I have all
this recording equipment is because I did metal vocals in a band. So I
started a podcast and it wasn't because I knew anything about podcasting. I didn't
even know anything about it. Like I didn't know that I thought Bigfoot was
a hairy man ape man. Now everyone talks about how he's an interdimensional me
and is like, what, I didn't know any of that stuff till like
the last couple of years doing podcasting, because that's some of the things that
people want to talk about. So since I've done this show, it's been
eye opening to an extent because I've learned a lot more. I just kind
of stumbled into doing it. Going on two years now, I'm over one
hundred and something episodes, and there's a little bit for everyone. I guess
if you have a open mind, I want to hear stories about Bigfoot or
aliens or any type of stuff. I recently had someone come on and talk
about some they'd mentioned something about giant beavers up in Canada. I was like,
I didn't know that was a thing, but cool of hearing about that
too interesting stuff. Well, you guys go over and check out ten Full
Tails. I highly recommend it. I will link to it right here in
the show notes. All you got to do is click it and follow it
over and you can listen on whatever podcast app you want to get the show
on Brendon. I've had a blast talking to you man, Thanks so much
for coming on the show. Hey, thanks for having me. It's been
a pleasure. They say you don't got to go, but you can't stay
step steps, step child, this child, that child, everything. Can
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