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What is krak Alacin. Fellow thermonuclear
affors, I am Danpa Valley, coming

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at you as always with my certified
fantabulous thermonuclear af co host, mister Grant

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Hughes. To close out the twenty
twenty three calendar year, we are doing

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every NBA team's Biggest Regret from twenty
and twenty three. We are beginning with

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every single Eastern Conference team. The
Western Conference will go up later this week

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There are incredibly awesome discussions, including
super deep dives on the anatomical geography of

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Zion Williamson's tattoo right now. So
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finally, but perhaps most importantly,
happy New Year to everybody, depending on

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when you're listening to this, if
you are celebrating it, please I hope

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you're I hope it's a safe one. I hope it's a happy one.

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Wishing everyone a better twenty twenty four
than twenty twenty three. And as I

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would like to add, Grant and
I are super appreciative of all the support

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we continue to get. I just
told him before we hopped on this was

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we did split it between two companies, but this was a record year for

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total downloads for us. We hit
for the first time. I know this

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doesn't mean a lot to a lot
of people on YouTube. We surpassed one

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million views on YouTube in a single
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good. This is really only the
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been like pumping out the shorts content. So thank you to everyone. Who

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has watched who was shared. Once
again, we're grateful for every single one

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of you. Grant, how the
heck are you doing? I wish I

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had seen the discord conversation about Zion's
tattoo. Can I guess? Because I

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haven't, can I guess what the
discussion was about. I have seen the

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photos of it. You've seen the
tattoo. Okay, yeah, go ahead

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and get it. It's off center, right? Is that the main thrust

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of the conversation. But the discussion
was that it's anatomically correct when looking at

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the actual place of his heart.
Okay, so that's the defense of it.

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I did kind of have that thought
of like, because it's clearly not

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centered up esthetically. I think people
want it to be centered across your chest,

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but apparently it's like spot on to
where his actual heart would be.

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Look, when it comes to tattoos, I'm very much to each their own

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whatever they whatever they want to do
with someone who just has tattoos. And

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I have tattoos on my chest that
are not centered like I have them on

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each what do they call that,
like each peck? Yeah, just the

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one that says Frank and the one
that says Mila Kina across you know one

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let right that I was gonna put
that across my neck, but I just

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figured like, let's let's make let's
put on my chest my neck yet,

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maybe that'll be reserved for Chris Bouchet. I don't know. Probably probably.

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His tattoo is interesting though, because
it's like across with a lion in it.

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Like I couldn't really tell based on
the picture at first, but it's

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I'm looking at it right now.
Yeah, there's like a or is it

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a bear? I don't know what
it is, it's not honestly, the

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detailing it's pretty good. If you
look at the I can't know what animal

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it is. It almost looks like
it could be a Wookie from a Star

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Wars two, but probably it.
That's probably it. That's why you should

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go on our discord though. Those
are the discussions that are happening with our

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esteemed awesomely Thermonuclear AF members. Are
you ready to do this exercise though,

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and do you have any insight into
how you approached it though before we get

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into it. Yeah, I am
one. I am ready, I think

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so, although I'm gonna have to
Yeah, I'm gonna ease off on some

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of the statistics in it, because
this is gonna run several days after certainly

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I wrote it or you know,
put it together, and so some of

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that will be off. But I
think the larger points stan I just thought

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of it, you know, because
each team's biggest regret for twenty twenty three

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could mean a million things, and
I'm sure that each fan base is gonna

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have and this hopefully this will be
what we get out of this discussion.

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Like but also, you know,
after I give what I think is a

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big regret, I'm sure you'll think
of something sometimes that'll you know, probably

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warrants mentioned in the discussion. So
anyway, I just thought of it as

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like more from the team perspective or
maybe even like a fan perspective of like

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this thing was a mistake that produced
ripple effects, and like the more consequential

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and far reaching those ripple effects,
then the bigger the regret is to me.

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So you know a lot of times
they'll be like a really great,

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you know, attentive fan. We'll
say like, well, there was this

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third quarter procession in April, you
know, April fourteenth, it was a

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Tuesday, and you know, so
and so didn't screen it's like, that's

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not going to be what we're doing
here. This is a much a much

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more zoomed out view, I guess, So yeah, should we just start

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We're gonna got kick off the East, I guess. I think the only

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thing I would add is, and
I think you kind of mentioned this is

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a lot of the stuff focused on
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yeah, rather than just like these
moments of times and games. Because

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I think when you regret certain things
in games, if it's like you can't

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regret it, you can regret every
injury is regrettable. There's just like no

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unless it's self inflicted where spoiler alert, like Jaden McDaniel's going up against the

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wall and losing. But just like
even if you're saying they should have won

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this game, or you're you know, if you're looking at the Kings Warriors

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playoff series and trying to cop together
regret with the Kings, I think that

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tends to underestimate the role that the
other team plays in sort of manifesting that

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regret, which is why I generally
steered clear to that. I don't know

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how where you ended up with that. No, that's a great point I'm

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glad you made it. I think
I didn't consciously think that way, but

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I ended up in the same place
basically, like I wanted to avoid,

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you know stuff I was trying to
think as you were saying that though,

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like there's got to be for a
couple of these, like a really ill

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advised like late game shot that someone
took, or like actually for my bucks

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one. You know, budenholes are
not calling a time out a couple of

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times in that playoff. Upset was
like part of it, but it's not

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the regret for example. So yeah, I definitely went more roster building,

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like you know, personnel decision guys
that were were not traded at the right

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time, or signings, you know, hirings, firings like that kind that

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kind of thing. Basically, please
start us off, we're gonna go.

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We're gonna dare to roll with the
alphabet this time, since we didn't talk

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about doing it a weirder way or
you were more inventive way, So take

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us off. Yeah, we didn't
want to fly too close to the sun

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with our creativity and divving these up. So to me, the Atlanta Hawk's

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biggest regret and these are all by
what we should go without saying in the

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calendar year of twenty twenty three,
so like, so it encapsulates part of

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last season what we've seen this season
to date as of December twenty seven,

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twenty three. Yeah, there you
go. So the biggest regret I think

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they should have, which is really
sort of how I'm framing all these,

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is just believing in the core,
which is to say, you know,

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they re upped with the Johntay Murray, which I think made sense in a

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vacuum. I think we both thought
that extension was one like unlikely to happen

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in the first place, and two
totally reasonable. But the results so far,

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based on the thinking that Quinn Snyder
will just take this team as is

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and turn it into something else,
was not the case. So they're worst

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defensively the stats when I did this, they were twenty first last year.

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That's still true, twenty six this
year. I think that's actually true as

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we're recording this. In defensive efficiency. The offense got better, but the

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result ultimately is like this was a
five hundred ish team last year and they're

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twelve and eighteen as we're recording this. Now. They have a positive point

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differential but they are where they are
in the standings, and it's basically the

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same guys that they relied on last
year that they assumed would just improve with

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new coaching with I don't know,
like rotation tweaks with better health from guys

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like Bogdanovic. And this is even
with Jalen Johnson being I think pretty clearly.

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I don't know where you'd rank him
on like this team's list of keepers,

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but he's certainly higher than he was
a year ago. So that's all.

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It is, just trusting the corps. I think it turns out that

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this corps doesn't fit together all that
great, doesn't have a good enough combo

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forward that can defend We've talked about
that plenty, and now you're just looking

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at well de Jante Murray may or
may not be on the trade block,

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and we've got to ask now,
like how do you build a winner around

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Trey Young? Like none of those
questions have been answered because they trusted the

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same group and it hasn't worked out. Yeah, I think I probably agree

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with you there. I guess my
one question would be like what would the

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alternative have been right for them?
And I wonder if it's just like could

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they would they be in a much
of a situation if they didn't hold on

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to John Collins for so long that
that's encapsulating more than twenty twenty three for

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sure, though Yeah, I think
I did mention that, not speaking,

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but in the bit that I wrote
up on it of like it's you want

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to say, it's it's blowing the
John Collins trade value, right, like

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by just the longer they kept in, the lower it got. But that

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like you're right, like that's been
going on for like two plus years.

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It's not just twenty three were ready
to move on to the Boston Celtics.

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Yeah, go ahead. So this
is a team with that regrets. Basically,

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I would love it if you would
come up with one for me.

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But so this is gonna be this
will be the case for some several of

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the better teams in the league.
Like it's just nitpicking, so possible candidates

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not bringing back Grant Williams. I
think they're fine without him, I think

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you could say. And what I
ultimately went with was they don't they maybe

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needed to add like one more wing. And this is more of like a

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twenty twenty three offseason situation, I
guess, because like Sam Hauser, I

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think as a seventh man is like
pretty darn good. Like a lot of

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teams would be ecstatic to have a
forty percent plus three point shooter who's better

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than you think on defense. But
like Oshaeper Sat Dellan o'banton, like,

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neither of those guys have played very
much. Neither of them figure to,

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you know, take more minutes from
Tatum and Brown as the games matter more

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in the playoffs. So I guess
like you could do some revisionist history and

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say, like what about minimum guys
like what about Derek Jones Junior? What

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about the Leak Beasley, what about
Lonnie Walker the fourth all these guys that

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were you know, gettable, Why
not one of them? Again, that's

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a nitpick because the Celtics are the
best team in the league, I think

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for my money, and that's there
aren't a lot of regrets out there as

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far as I can see. Yeah, there's definitely not a lot. I

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do wonder if you mentioned Grant Williams
not being there. I totally get that's

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not something that you need to regret, but just sort of not doing anything

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to address the rim pressure element of
the team where like, yeah, they're

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still incredible, but it's not going
to be a weakness that hurts them in

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the playoffs especially, it's definitely a
weakness that hurts them with their crunch time

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offense now and should they have done
more to maybe get a better organizer in

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there. It was not going to
be Marcus Smart. They have Drew Holliday,

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like, it's not sort of him. Could they have done that with

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the tools that they had would be
of course the the other question. So

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it's they seem like if you had
to pick who the best team in the

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league is right now, not who's
gonna win the title, I feel like

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it's pretty clearly or close to the
Celtics them the Timberwolves are the Nuggets for

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me right now. It's just that
they feel that it feels like their stock.

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The Timberwolves might be here too,
but they definitely feel more house of

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cards to me in the playoffs than
like than the Nuggets for example. Yeah,

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I think what's interesting for the Celtics
too, is that, like some

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of the moves that at the time
you might have thought had the potential to

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be regrettable, like, oh my
god, they traded Marcus Smart, like

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he's the heart and soul he was
a Defensive Player of the Year two years

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ago. That oh, that's gonna
hurt him. Not really like that turned

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out pretty well. They got away
from him at the right time. Really,

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same thing with RW three, same
thing with Brogden. Obviously you're making

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the Drew Holiday trade, you know, all the no matter what. But

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like some of the stuff that hypothetically
like oh, they really needed Williams to

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shore up the defense potentially, like
that didn't really come to pass. So,

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you know, the things that you
might have thought they would regret,

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they just really haven't so far.
That takes us to the Brooklyn Nets.

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This is a little more niche.
Do you remember this would have been last

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At the twenty twenty three trade deadline. Shortly after they got him, there

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was talk. This is Brian Lewis
of The New York Post reporting that multiple

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teams were offering up to two first
round picks for Dorian Finney Smith, and

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the Nets held on to Dorian Finny
Smith, who they had just gotten in

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the Kyrie Irving trade. I don't
think they're going to get two first round

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pick offers for him anymore this year. Maybe they will, but maybe those

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will be like a first rounder that's
protected, like unless there's a full moon

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and mercury is in retrograde, and
if it isn't, then it turns into

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two seconds, like it might be
worse seconds. But I think it's a

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small regret. But I think failing
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exceptionally high was maybe something they're going
to want back, although, like you

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never know as we get down to
the deadline, and maybe Anonobi's not going

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anywhere, Maybe all these other three
indie guys don't go anywhere, and maybe

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Phinney Smith just becomes the best guy
you can get if you're looking to acquire

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someone like that. Sou But at
the moment, I think to first for

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him would have been a sweet deal
to jump on when they had the opportunity,

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and they didn't. Uh, that's
interesting. I guess it's just if

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you have immediate aspirations of doing something, though would like would would it make

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sense to have moved him? No? I think maybe they well, but

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like it was un I guess they
decided last year that they were just gonna

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kind of see enjoy the lack of
chaos and kind of see how good the

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team was gonna be. That we're
gonna blow it up again, so that

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could have been some of the motivation. I just don't think you're getting too

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first for him anymore, you know, That's that's all. It's hard for

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me to imagine that. No,
I think I think that's absolutely fair if

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it's in terms of maximizing your assets
and you know that, hey, this

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team probably isn't even gonna win a
playoff series this year, even though they

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can be kind of frisky. I
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they have done anything about the Simmons
situation. There was no way to,

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you know, like get off of
him during the I guess it's just that

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would have cost equity or not because
it's just a bummer with the bat which

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is beyond his control. I guess
he's just probably one of the hardest contracts

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in the league to move until you
until he's expiring, which will be this

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summer. Yeah, I was trying
to find a way to do the Simmons

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thing, But basically what you just
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you can trade him for positive value
that takes us to the Charlotte Hornets.

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This is I mean, this will
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things are gonna get I think it's
just, uh, it was. It

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would be easy to say taking Brandon
Miller over Scoot I said it probably fifty

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times after the draft, But I'm
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won anymore. Not easy anymore.
It's like at least a debate now.

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I think I think we both agree
Scoot still has the higher upside, but

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like Brandon, Miller has just been
more productive, more available, looked generally

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better across the sample of this season. So not saying that, uh,

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this is even lower hanging fruit.
Continuing your involvement with Miles Bridges, like

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bringing him back at all was a
mistake, and then just pretending, you

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know, saying they were comfortable with
the allegations of the his violation of the

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domestic Violence Protective Order. Uh you
know this this, this is another incident

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of the same type. Like we've
talked. We've talked plenty about Miles Bridges

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on this podcast, Like I think
you just need to have cut ties with

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him by now, and the fact
that the Hornets haven't. I don't know

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if they're going to regret it,
but it's something they should find regrettable.

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Yeah, they absolutely should they handle
the situation It seems like, especially after

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the you know, the I don't
want to call them secondary allegations, but

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the subsequent allegations or issues that he's
dealing with, they handled that situation and

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incredibly poorly. And I don't understand
why he's still on this team. So

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I don't even think there's a there's
not even especially if we're dealing with and

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you want to say matters of purely
just on the court, which is always

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just an uncomfortable disclaimer. That's when
you can get into something else to where's

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Oh, should they have been more
proactive and just trying to like you can't

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even say trying to bottom out this
year because just with la Mellow's injury and

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some of the other injuries they've dealt
with, they're just going to end up

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with a flat, a glitzier pick
anyway. And so like this is the

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I'm sure, did you consider any
alternatives for this? I guess would be

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my like, does make me rambling
to ask you about? No? I

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think, well, the Miller scoot
thing I thought about, I thought,

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I mean, someone will probably say
maxing out LaMelo now that he's got another

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injury and like, oh my god, this guy's following he's never gonna be

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healthy. I think that's a little
hasty. I wouldn't say. I can

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imagine a Charlotte fan or someone that's
not a big LaMelo guy saying that that

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was a little early for that max
out. But like everybody in his position

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that he's been an All Star once
already, guys, guys that have done

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what he's done this early in their
careers just are going to get that extension,

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it seems like. So, and
then where are you if you don't

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have, like how where is this
franchise without him? Because at least he's

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kind of like still the I don't
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he's at least like something you can
think about building around. Whereas if he's

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not there, then Mike Miller's not
that guy. So and if you're not

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going to do that, it has
to be something like smaller scales. And

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why did you not bring then?
I'm know Frankilakina supposed to be the goat,

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but he's injured, and so they
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play and a defensive pulse and just
like to let Dennis Smith Junior leave for

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the minimum with the nets that was
that was strange. Yeah, that is

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I agree with that. I agree
with that. So the Chicago Bulls,

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to me, the biggest regret is
standing pat at the twenty twenty three trade

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deadline because I think, you know, you're all wes trock down and just

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trade some future picks. Yeah,
you know, just see see if you

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can go get the next Vucevich for
some future first, because they're like,

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no, no, no, we're
just going to keep the original, re

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sign him and he will get the
news maybe in the next pot I guess,

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but uh, he's he's now injured, got a growing injury. Seven

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to ten. Ye talk about I'm
sorry, this is talking about people behind

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the curt I totally forgot I put
together our news doc. I guess it's

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going up on the That's fine,
it only be a day later. That

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is Wow, what a whiff on
my end. That's all right. Look,

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that's that's your biggest regret at the
moment. It's got to be mean

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with the long paper for my,
for my it's got to be it's got

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to be well if we have to
confine it to twenty twenty three, because

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the bullsh have regrettable decisions going back
that are all kind of related over the

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last several years. But I think
you could have got more for Lavine had

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you trade them then. I think
you could have got more for DeRozan.

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I think you could have gotten Vutvich
off your books as an expiring and brought

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back something. And now these guys
are all still here and it doesn't seem

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like any of their market values are
higher than they were, although, like

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the Bulls are just winning a bunch
of games now, which is hilarious as

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their most expensive players just play less. Uh. But yeah, I think

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last trade deadline was the time.
I mean, no time, you know,

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better late than ever, but that
was the moment I think when if

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you're gonna reorient this franchise and like
be realistic about rebuilding, it should have

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happened at the twenty twenty three trade
deadline. And it did not. Yeah,

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I mean yeah, I just I'd
be curious because of the discourse kind

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of surrounding Zach Lavine right now,
like could you've gotten more for him at

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last year's trade deadline than you are
going to now? And I think the

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answer is unequivocally yes, yeah,
because that stretches into the you mentioned the

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trade deadline, but you can because
it's still twenty twenty three, not as

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the word you're using. Reorienting at
all in this calendar year because it's not

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happening is an issue. And I
say this, Look, they're nine and

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four without Zach Lavine as we record
this. That's great, but it's also

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if I'm a Bulls fan, I'm
enjoying it, it's also a little terrifying

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because, like, well, what
is this going to embolden the franchise to

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do at this year's trade deadline?
If it's just move on from Levine and

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they're not gonna seek starting over,
there will be disagreements locally and nationally on

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that we can already see it.
But like that's at least a little bit

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more knock us or logical, then
like, can we trade like it's gonna

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be Zack Lvine and picks to get
player x I. I think the you

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meant that's the scariest aspect of this
is the Bulls viewing their improved play without

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Levine as as the reason to not
trade him. I mean, the reason

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to not trade him is because its
value is like the adjectives that are being

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used to describe his trade market are
just increasingly hilarious. Baron is the latest

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one that I just like chuckle every
time I read it. Uh, but

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yeah, I just if they,
if they, if the Bulls view this

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as as a reason to keep the
band together, Like once we reinject Zach

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Lavine into this team that has figured
it out without him, we're really gone

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somewhere. I just I don't know
what to tell you. I can't,

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I can't get behind that got a
kind of a niche one for the Cavaliers.

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I bet I wouldn't be surprised if
you could think of a bigger picture

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one, but this one just jumped
out to me. Waving Kevin Love last

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year and then he goes on to
start a bunch of games and play meaningful

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roles and make a bunch of threes
for the Miami Heat who make the freaking

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finals, And I just like,
I don't know how much he would have

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helped avoid the first round out that
Cleveland suffered, but like, I don't

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because because it would have required the
Cavs that just play very differently. And

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the reason Love that was given was
JB. Bickerstaff just didn't trust him defensively

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and Love hadn't shot it like great
enough to justify the poor defense that he

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had been playing last year. But
like, I don't know, if Kevin

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Love is spacing the floor against the
Knicks in that series, maybe you don't

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have Evan Mobley trying to finish over
two big guys and there's nobody to kick

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it out too, Like maybe the
Knicks have to play defense a little differently.

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It's hypothetical, but it's just like
you wave the guy and then he

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goes on to play a huge role
for a team that makes the finals in

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your conference, Like that's that's a
mistake, I would say, at the

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very least, especially considering how much
much Love kind of has meant to that

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franchise. Like these you know,
franchise legend is maybe a little strong,

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but like he was there for a
title, so that's that's a big deal.

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It's also that I agree with your
pick, and I'm trying to think

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of, well, what would be
the alternative here? And I do believe

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some people will say, well that
they should have already looked to be trading

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Donovan Michell and she's like they just
got him, like let's just and he

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hasn't requested out. So I just
don't even understand necessarily why that would be

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a talking point. I mean I
thought about it just because it's something if

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it's so, but maybe it's like, it's not not yet. It'd be

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the type of thing we could frame
as a regret when it's over and he's

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gone, presumably because depending on what
they do or don't accomplish between now and

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then. But yeah, it felt
it felt a little hasty. It felt

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a little like, I don't know, not like attention seeking, but a

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little bit a little bit. I
know that you're I know that you're from

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experiencing you are quite the attention seeker
too. I just love it. Can't

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get an let's pay attention to the
Detroit Pistons. I mean, where what

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should? This was like one of
the hardest ones because it's kind of like

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where do you where do you start? Ultimately, can you tell me?

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Please tell me you picked the James
Wiseman trade. No, that's not it.

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I mean that's bad. That's bad. But like I like, that's

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not that's not killing them, that's
not the you know, is that one

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of the things that's wrong with this
team? Before you get to it,

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then I don't know that. I
I don't want to say it. I

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don't want to be too cool about
this, but I don't care that he

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is not actively submarining your league worst
team right now. Like that's not a

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compliment to say, Like, look, wise is not the primary issue right

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now. It's like I'm kind of
seen. It's like, oh, he's

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shown like these little flickers and flashes. Yeah for a team that hasn't won

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in a decade. Right. No, I'm not gonna sit here and say

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James Wiseman is like helpful. You
literally try to just defend the trade is

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one of the best moves that Troy
Reaver has made, and you might be

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right is it might hold on?
Though? What so that was? I

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can't even remember it. So they
basically gave up Sadik Bay and like a

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multi team trade, right, did
they did it cost them anything else to

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get Wiseman or was it mainly Bay? It was mainly Bay. I don't

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think they were the one that sent
out like a crap ton of second round

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picks. I'll double check that very
quickly. Maybe one of the more curious

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things was, I guess if you're
the Warriors, you would still have you

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would still rather have GP two over
Sadik Bay. That's an interesting I mean,

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that's debatable, but yeah, probably, But so what I as you're

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looking that up, what I did
go with, I don't feel great about

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it, But it's hiring Monty Williams
and hiring him for the amount they paid

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him and for the length of that
contract. And this is all based on

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like Troy Weaver is gonna be gone. I think I just don't know what

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chain of events would have to occur
for Troy Weaver to make it through this

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season, just like you have a
record losing streak, the guy that puts

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the team together and has been putting
it together for several years, like that's

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just that's where the buck's gonna stop. And it's it's not just that Williams

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got this massive contract for a long
time. It's also that like, once

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Weaver's gone, now you're gonna be
in a position where a new executive comes

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in and this is not the coach
he picked. So you're at risk potentially

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of injecting further just chaos and disorganization
into this franchise by this new executive maybe

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saying like, well, we're gonna
need a new voice and sorry, Tom

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Gores, but that seventy eight million
dollars that you gave money Williams, Like,

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you're gonna give him that money to
not coach now, and you're gonna

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pay somebody else, and it'll probably
have to be somebody cheap because you don't

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want to be paying a ton to
two coaches. So, like, I

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feel like that is the move that
they like. They may regret it now,

405
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,039
but they have they will continue to
regret it as it affects further decisions

406
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,119
while this team kind of unravels and
tries to figure itself out. Did you

407
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,960
see the I think that's a fair
one. Just the circumstances under which they

408
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,839
had to keep offering him money basically
so that he would take the job probably

409
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,519
a red flag. Probably a red
flag. And like I mean, things

410
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,200
in Phoenix kind of came unglued in
a not great way, and some of

411
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,200
those playoff losses they had really made
it. I mean, maybe it was

412
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,920
just DeAndre Ayton and like monniy Williams
didn't get along with him, and that,

413
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,240
you know, is not representative of
how he was handling the rest of

414
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,519
the team. But like, I
don't know, I didn't you didn't get

415
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,640
a good feeling about Monty Williams based
on how that team kind of came apart,

416
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,279
like on the court and off it. I think so that, you

417
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,319
know, that's yeah, we don't
need to pile on money Williams, but

418
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,440
it's just that's part of it.
No, who seems like a genuinely good

419
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,319
and like he worked out in Phoenix, like he did a lot there,

420
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240
so I think I have they given
credit for that. But yeah, the

421
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,880
ending was very weird, like his
relationship with DeAndre and although it seems like

422
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,839
the entire team was because Deandret didn't
last after Monty Williams and Chris Paul left.

423
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Yeah, and like the classic you
know, if Devin Booker and Kevin

424
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,160
Durant had really wanted Monty Williams to
say the coach, he would still be

425
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,400
the coach like that, Like,
you know, I don't know how true

426
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,680
that always is, but it you
know, it's not It's not an irrational

427
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,640
thing to say if their two best
players had had wanted the guy, he'd

428
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,720
still be there. Did you see
the interview that Tom Gores gave to select

429
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,480
media members. I read the one
that was published at The Athletic, which

430
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,240
is one of the outlets that were
present there where it was when you look

431
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,759
at the progression of what he said
where he puts it on himself, then

432
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,359
it's him and Troy, and then
it's like Troy and I and it's like,

433
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,559
oh, that was a journey in
fifteen seconds. He really really you

434
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,680
could see him like as he was
going through it kind of like I don't

435
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,480
know, I can do it.
It's like, how do I how do

436
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,400
I like just sly, It's like
if him and Troy Weaver have been standing

437
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,759
next to each other on the podium, which they weren't, but like he

438
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,359
would just be gradually moving farther and
farther away from him, and he's like

439
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,079
off stage and just saying sorry,
it's my fault, and Troy Weaver's left

440
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,039
up there just in front of the
press. That was I do physical look

441
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:55,640
of what he was saying as someone
in a market with James Dolan, and

442
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,880
I know Knicks fans get annoyed by
this. I just appreciate him talking to

443
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,400
the media at all, even if
it felt like a bunch of I think

444
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,279
you had a read between the lines
for a lot of it, and some

445
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,160
of it was it basically was the
in terms of plans. We have no

446
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,920
plans, is what the like that
meme is what it felt like. He's

447
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,519
like, yeah, we're gonna we're
gonna make changes, but he's not really

448
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:17,400
talking about what's wrong. He's just
emphasizing flexibility and youth and the fact that

449
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,599
they've they've made mistakes, and so
it's it's empty. But at least you

450
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,480
faced the music and like even answered
a question about how do you feel about

451
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,799
sell the team chance. I did
appreciate that since we just dumped on the

452
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:32,319
pistons for five minutes. I did
appreciate that element of what he did.

453
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,039
Up. Yeah, and look nowhere
to go but up. So speaking up,

454
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,200
speaking of up, we have the
Indiana Pacers next. Unless I botched

455
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,400
the alphabet no, you're good.
So, like, there's no sure way

456
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,160
to look stupid than to judge a
draft that is like a couple months old

457
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,839
basically, or a draft class that
is a couple months old, But I'm

458
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:59,039
gonna do it anyway. I think
it was a mistake for the trade number

459
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:03,160
seven for number eight in a couple
future second rounders, because number seven could

460
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,319
have been below Coulibali and number eight
is Jaris Walker, and Kolibali is a

461
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:15,160
really exciting rookie that like just has
sort of met and also defied expectations in

462
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,319
all the best ways based on the
type of player he was supposed to be

463
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,039
coming into the draft. And Walker
just hasn't been a factor for a team

464
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,359
that you know, like could use
a theoretically versatile defensive forward that could make

465
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,759
some plays like Walker. The idea
of Walker should be contributing right now,

466
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,799
but he is not, and Koulibally
is and they were picked one spot apart.

467
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,759
So like, that's pretty pretty easy
for me because and this is another

468
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:41,720
it's another way of saying, like
that the Pacers didn't make a whole lot

469
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160
of regrettable moves. So this is
the one I've landed on. Talk me

470
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,799
out of it, because it's always
stupid just to judge a draft this early.

471
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:56,000
So it, yes, I think
you're probably I don't want to say

472
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,119
it's stupid, but I think this
kind of steps on the toes of what

473
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,000
the alternati would be anyway, which
is, we now have evidence, years

474
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:08,440
worth of evidence that this team needs
a properly sized like three four someone of

475
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,920
that melth I know Pascal Siakam has
mentioned as a trade target and he couldn't

476
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,279
theory fit. But it needs to
be more of the here's the name coming

477
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,240
Chris push og Ananobi type and like
to continuously not do that, and it's

478
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,319
yes, you got Bruce Brown,
but like, as an individual defender,

479
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,079
Bruce Brown has never been super lockdown
sometimes from the point of attack against smaller

480
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,400
players, and I think he's a
very instinctive defender overall, and I think

481
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,119
we've seen a lot of flashes of
that this year. But to just say

482
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,119
like, no, we're gonna we
have Bruce Brown and like we have Aaronie

483
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,359
Smith and like that's just okay,
and it's just like no, it's it's

484
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,559
really not like we have Andrew Nemhart. So I guess that's sort of because

485
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,559
you mentioned bla cool of BALI.
It's just sort of like, well,

486
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960
yeah, would he be playing for
them right now? Though? Is my

487
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,160
thing? And so if they were
always gonna treat because jars Walker was considered

488
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,920
a project, but Bally was considered
sort of his blanks. Jars Walker is

489
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,400
considered more of a project on the
offensive end. And this team is different

490
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,559
from Washington that since it as immediate
aspiration and so I think I would lean

491
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,839
more towards not being more aggressive in
free agency or on the trade market,

492
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,039
specifically last offseason, because if we
watched the data points from last year to

493
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,079
fill that spot, and I think
that's fine to focus on the rookie because

494
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,920
you could say, well, one, could they have drafted someone who might

495
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,640
be that rookie. I just don't
know if they ever would have played that

496
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,839
guy. The more the bigger issue
for me would be like, should you

497
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,720
have dangled that, Like if that
pick would have gotten you, if that

498
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,680
pick and stuff would have gotten you
Ojan Andoby, the move should have been

499
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,319
like if it was Benedict Mathern and
that pick and even something else for Ogannaoby.

500
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:43,480
I know Patrischan's probably would have been
annoyed or angry in the moment.

501
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,000
That's absolutely a trade that you should
have made. I'm not saying it was

502
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,279
on the table, but that pick. I would sum it up this way.

503
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,720
I probably would have went with I
would have went with something different,

504
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,839
But I think you could frame it
as that pick should have been used on

505
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,000
something to address an immediate need.
That right, it's kind of the same.

506
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440
It's kind of the I guess we
both just agree that there's this positional

507
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,319
hole that they have not filled,
and like this is totally with the benefit

508
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,200
of hindsight because Walker in theory made
it was like that's the correct pick,

509
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,480
right, Like that is the guy
that the Pacers need, and they got

510
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,000
him. This is on draft night. But then like it, I think,

511
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,799
I don't know. I think kolibally
would have been like kind of undeniable

512
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,079
if if you get him out there
and he's running the floor and just finishing

513
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:28,480
athletically like he's I don't know how
you would keep him off the floor if

514
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,759
you gave him half of a chance
like in practice or whatever with this particular

515
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:35,640
team. But yeah, I think
we could zoom it, we could expand

516
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,880
it, I guess, and just
say, like what you're saying, shouldn't

517
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,359
you just got to have somebody at
that three four spot with size that can

518
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,279
defend, and they just don't have
that guy. Maybe Kolibali will fill out.

519
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,960
He's like six' eight, sneaky, six' eight could have been him.

520
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,799
Has he grown? Don't he say
like sixty five or six six?

521
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,599
Going in the draft remindments remembering,
I mean he could grow. Yeah,

522
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,079
that's how I thought of him.
But then I was looking at all the

523
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,680
measurables and he was like six'
eight with a seven to two wingspan,

524
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:06,720
So I don't know that's what I'm
going with. So Miami Heater up next.

525
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,119
This is a super basic one,
but missing out on Damian Lillard,

526
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,719
Okay, I thought, do you
know what I thought? I didn't think

527
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,800
you were going to go with this, but what I think letting Max Strewson

528
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,440
gave Vincent leave for nothing, and
it's kind of just like, well,

529
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,480
the gay Vincent stuff. You would
have known about this had I actually done

530
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,679
the news that we were supposed to. He's just gonna be out for another

531
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,320
six eight weeks, and it's all
right, you kind of miss Max Streuce,

532
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,519
but the Duncan Robins, Robinson Renaissance
Post, the Highay Hawk as minutes,

533
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,159
it's just like, do we miss
Max. I was struggling. I

534
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,760
was wondering what you were gonna pick
because I knew you wouldn't pick those,

535
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,440
is my point. So I'm giving
you credit. And I mean, like

536
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:47,519
in criticizing the Heats off season,
which which I definitely have done whenever I've

537
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:52,039
been asked to evaluate it, the
Streus and Vincent pieces are part of it.

538
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:57,039
I think. I think like it's
it's the Vincent thing makes it difficult

539
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,760
because he's just been hurt. And
then the Strews like, yeah, they

540
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,559
don't because he just find you know, Hakez and Robinson and like he did

541
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,679
this manufacturer guys, they backfill better
than anybody. But like those two guys

542
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,199
getting away as part of an off
season plan that I think was built around

543
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,519
the assumption that we're getting Lillard,
it's still like kind of a I don't

544
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,800
know if you could say it was
mismanaged because maybe they offer just wasn't good

545
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,880
enough, but or maybe making it
so conspicuously obvious that like Dame wants to

546
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,519
come here, we want Dame that
Portland just kind of decided, well,

547
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,039
we have a say in this too, and we're not dealing him to you.

548
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,400
Maybe that's the regret. I don't
know, but like you just look

549
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,320
at where it is now. Not
only is Dame not in Miami, he's

550
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,639
in Milwaukee, which is a team
you're gonna have to probably go through.

551
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719
And then as a result of Dame
being in Milwaukee, Drew Holidays in Boston,

552
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000
which is another team that the Heat
are gonna have to go through so

553
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,800
the missing out on him kind of
it was more than just not getting the

554
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,280
guy. It was the guy going
somewhere you really shouldn't have wanted him to

555
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,480
go, and then another guy going
something else you shouldn't have wanted him to

556
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,280
go to just build you know,
bigger obstacles for the Heat to get.

557
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,559
You know, I don't know deeper
into the playoffs, so I don't know

558
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,639
that felt like the obvious one to
me. Yeah, they probably have,

559
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,760
surprisingly very they might be a team
that'd be hashtag no regrets, like they

560
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,239
would say that, I'm sure externally. I don't know if they would say

561
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,519
something else internally, but I'm with
you on what the what the regret should

562
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:29,159
be. Yeah, let's see.
So for the Milwaukee Bucks, I mean,

563
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,559
they got Lillard, so I'm not
that was good. There's I guess

564
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:42,360
like in that sense, any regret
you pick for them, like presumes that

565
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,679
they could be in a better position
had things gone differently, And they're in

566
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,199
such a seemingly strong position now that
it's a little weird to say, well

567
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,159
what about this? But so for
them, it's Game five against the Heat,

568
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:59,199
which, specifically down the stretch,
this was one of the biggest playoff

569
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,280
upsets in a long time. It
was like embarrassing. Nobody cares or remembers

570
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,719
that Giannis was hurt in that series. That's just lost to history, and

571
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,400
all we think about is how disappointing
the Bucks were, which like, so

572
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,480
the fourth quarter, I kind of
went back to the specific game. They're

573
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,119
up sixteen going into the fourth.
If they lose, they're eliminated. They

574
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,159
go three for nineteen from the field, Giannis can't make a free throw.

575
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,840
They botch multiple situations with like substitutes, They don't have brook Lopez in the

576
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,719
game to defend that Jimmy Butler lob
basically with not quite at the buzzer that

577
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,360
ties it to send it to overtime. They don't use their timeouts to get

578
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,559
an extra possession late in that game. Budenholzer gets fired as a result of

579
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:46,880
this. But then like Giannis extends
because you got dame and you acted really

580
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:52,119
you know, proactively to re you
know, get change your fortunes. So

581
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,360
like it's a regret that game was
embarrassing. It's kind of a stain on

582
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,119
the one versus eight rough look like
the Bucks are fine, things turned out

583
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,719
pretty well, but that was a
rough game, and like, hey,

584
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,280
if Adrian Griffin turns out to be
like just not the guy, which there

585
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,480
have been some indications that he's a
little iffy as a first year head coach,

586
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:16,159
and maybe this is a bigger regret
because he replaces Buttonholzer. But as

587
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:20,920
it is, like, it's just
that just jumped out to me as something

588
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,119
they probably wish they could have back
the Bucks, So I that's actually the

589
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:30,960
right pick. I'm not gonna lie. But the other thing I would have

590
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,760
thought of, and I think I
might have mentioned this to you, was

591
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,039
the fact that they kept Drew Holliday's
name out of the trade sweepstakes like they

592
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,199
wanted it to be a secret.
The report came out, and by doing

593
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,719
that, they couldn't dictate where he
went, and so he ends up on

594
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,880
their biggest threat to coming out of
the Eastern Conference. That's kind of a

595
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,599
sneaky big deal, and it'll be
an even bigger deal if they wind up

596
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:58,920
losing to the Celtics in the playoffs. And I think most people right now

597
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,119
I haven't dug into really thinking about
it, but if it was Buck Celtics

598
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:04,440
in a seven game series, right
now, I think most people are picking

599
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,559
Boston in six or five games.
Yeah, I think that's right. But

600
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,559
like I want to unpack the holiday
thing because I remember you mentioning that.

601
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,639
So, like the thinking is that
if you go to Holiday and say where

602
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:22,280
would you like to end up?
Then because they don't. Once he's in

603
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Portland, they don't have any the
bucks and I have control over where he's

604
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,360
going, right, and Portland's just
going to make the best deal it can

605
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,960
using Holiday, which is so like
part Look, so if the part of

606
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,960
the stipulation on their negotiations was Drew
Holliday can't know he's in this trade.

607
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,159
And also just like just sort of
how Portland was dictating to Phoenix, we

608
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:43,000
don't know who we're going to send
you before problems you you'll like him and

609
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,400
they probably do it. Also definitely
Grayson Allen by the way, right,

610
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,480
but if you were you knew that
Portland was going to reroute him, you

611
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,559
could have If Drew Oldy's name was
more public, you could have tried to.

612
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,840
I think you made the right pick
because if they end up beating the

613
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,639
Heat, they could they could have
won another title like that could have happen.

614
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:00,559
I wouldn't picked them to beat the
Nuggets if they came out of the

615
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:06,719
East. But that could have happened. I just you could have come up

616
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,639
with the three four team trading works
where Drew Holliday ends up literally anywhere but

617
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,760
Boston. But like you could have
put on the sixers and maybe that still

618
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,119
would have been the second like least
ideal. But it like and even him

619
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,119
in Miami, but like him on
Boston feels like the worst case outcome for

620
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,639
you by getting rid of him while
getting Dame, maybe their regrets should have

621
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:31,039
been just not doing everything possible to
send Drew Holliday to like Washington or just

622
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,559
like some get him, get him
as far away from a contender as possible,

623
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,320
because that's right, like it did, like it does diminish getting Dame,

624
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,679
like in some way because you know, you lost a guy that you

625
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,079
know, like is I mean,
Dame is a better player, but it's

626
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,599
it's Drew Holliday is a really good
point, Like he's gonna be a factor

627
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,599
in the East playoff race, like
in a huge way. And it just

628
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,440
takes a little bit away from from
the Buck side of it. All Right,

629
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,159
we are going into your wheelhouse now, uh, And this wasn't one

630
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,800
you suggested to me, So I'm
gonna mention it and then like, feel

631
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,840
free to cook. The Knix's biggest
regret of twenty twenty three is failing to

632
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:19,599
extend it manual quickly. Now I
had a hard time like hammering out what

633
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,559
if any terms really were ever on
the table, because you there were reports

634
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:29,039
that Quickly was going to want,
you know, nine figures on a four

635
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,400
year deal, so you know,
twenty five million per There was another one

636
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,440
that said the Knicks offered closer to
eighteen million a year. There was another

637
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,880
one that said there was like some
non guarantees and team options thrown out there.

638
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,880
I think that was that was Ian
Bagley. I mentioned something to that

639
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,039
effect, and then you got to
report I think that Quickly never really put

640
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,559
a number out there like he just, which is like ridiculous. If your

641
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,360
agent is negotiating with the team,
you're going to have a number that you

642
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,039
want. So the Knicks have leverage
still he could so this isn't like,

643
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,960
oh, they didn't extend him,
so he's gone. The vibes are kind

644
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,880
of not the best in this situation, though not every team is in the

645
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,920
situation, like with the Sixers and
Tyrese MAXI where it's like you're getting the

646
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Max. We all understand it.
We're just going to put it off so

647
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,039
we can get you another star to
play with in free agency. That's not

648
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,159
the situation the Knicks are in,
or at least it's not the one they're

649
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:22,880
selling. So it would have made
sense to lock down quickly if you think

650
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,039
he's going to be a piece of
you know, not necessarily the starting lineup,

651
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:30,639
but certainly the core going forward.
Didn't happen. And now I don't

652
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:36,480
know what the odds are of him
staying versus leaving, but I mean there

653
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,280
probably there is probably a better chance
he leaves than than you would expect for

654
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,840
someone with his track record to this
point in his career. Right like that,

655
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,280
that is a it's a greater risk
now than otherwise. So please please

656
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,639
explain to me why I'm correct and
saying not extending quickly is their biggest regret.

657
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,840
Well, what what was my proposal
to you? That feels like the

658
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,280
right call? That was your proposal? So and so did you? I

659
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,239
thought you. I thought when you
set it up you said you're gonna go

660
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,000
with something different. So no,
no, I trust you implicitly on the

661
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,280
Knicks, I'm not going to question. Yeah, look, it's your point

662
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,320
at the end, is really sailing
it because you paid Dante Devincenzo, you

663
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,639
have Josh Hart, You've paid R. J. Barrett, and it's like,

664
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,119
are you gonna pay You paid John
Brunson, who's going to be extension

665
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,079
eligable this summer, You're really gonna
pay Emmanuel quickly too. I default towards

666
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:28,239
and there's a chance, more so
than most other organizations, they will agree

667
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,639
pay him now, figure it out
later. Because for everything you could say

668
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:35,199
about the Knicks, the front office, James Dolan, they have spent when

669
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,559
it's required, but they're not in
the business of cutting you know, payroll

670
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:43,079
costs on most seasons. But I
think just the season he has had,

671
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,280
it's been up and down with some
playing time, but like that's just what

672
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,760
the market's gonna dictate. I think, even given how reticent teams are to

673
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,440
go after restricted free agents right now
quickly, is a name that I think

674
00:43:53,519 --> 00:44:00,320
some teams might actually view as if
it's Orlando a finishing piece. That's a

675
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,360
team like the Spurs where it's like, let's just get some coherence in here.

676
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,760
Someone who fits won't cannibalize stuff on
offense, makes it easier, we'll

677
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,800
defend his butt off. So I
do think you put yourself at risk there.

678
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:15,519
The only other alternative I think you
could go to is not getting that

679
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,320
properly sized wing and you've called it. I cited you when I went on

680
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,840
the ALU podcast with Ryan Blackburn.
You call it the upgrade button to RJ

681
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,800
Barrett. I don't know if that
was available to them though, so that

682
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,000
would be the only regret, and
it's just that is more about the market.

683
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,440
They didn't have the cap space to
go out and get that guy in

684
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,119
so far as he was even available. So I think you picked the right

685
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:37,880
one. And there's the only other
one that you could think about is wasn't

686
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,119
Julius Randall extension eligible this past summer, so they've tried to get that done

687
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,639
so they might not be on the
hook of like making another All NBA team

688
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,280
and being extension eligible. Oh my
god. Yeah, Well, I didn't

689
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,119
even think about any of those,
like trying to get out in front of

690
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,480
a guy potentially achieving something that is
going to drive his contract way up,

691
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,519
like try to lock him into a
non you know, max gin deal.

692
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,159
Yeah, maybe Okay, Orlando is
next. So whatever the pick was going

693
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,000
to be, I feel like it
had to be around their guard rotation.

694
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,280
But I'm gonna do it again then, and I'm gonna make a draft proclamation

695
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,920
that the Magic should regret the twenty
twenty three draft. I think Anthony Black

696
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,519
and Jet Howard like just and Anthony
Black had a pretty good game the other

697
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:27,480
night. I think he had twenty. He was he made some threes.

698
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,719
He's still like a low thirties guy
from three that just does not have a

699
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,280
shot form that he doesn't get it
off quickly. It's not versatile. Teams

700
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,079
are not threatened by it. I
don't really know what the theory of Anthony

701
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:43,719
Black is supposed to be, like, how does he fit with this team?

702
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,840
He feels like a connector to me, which is like, again,

703
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,719
we're a few months into this guy's
professional career. This could all change.

704
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,920
But just at the moment, if
you go look like we can go down

705
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,119
some of the names that were available, like Howard, I feel like is

706
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,840
less defensible. Black is at least
it's like, oh, he's a big

707
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,880
guard that if we get him to
shoot, then we really have something because

708
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,360
defensively has huge potential. But Kolibali
was there at seven, Black went sixth,

709
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,039
Howard went eleventh. I want to
say, yeah, eleven, so

710
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,239
Kulibali's there, Cason Wallace at ten, Keyante George at sixteen. There were

711
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,880
guards there and wings there if you
wanted to actual and actual, real point

712
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,599
guards. In the case of George, that I think would have been better

713
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,920
picks, Like you could have gone
Jordan Hawkins if you wanted a shoot her,

714
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,400
you could have got him at the
number eleven spot instead of Howard.

715
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,800
Jimi hawk Is obviously is there.
Brandon Pagemski would look pretty good in the

716
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,119
magic backboard right now. So there
were better options. That's not to say

717
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,039
that, like, yeah, hawk
Is and Pajemski slipped for you know,

718
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,159
further into the first round for reasons, but there were a lot of better

719
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:50,920
options. And it's hard for me
to see Black and certainly Howard being like

720
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,000
yet now we lump them in with
Wagner and Pallo and to I don't know,

721
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,880
I guess Sugs and Carter too,
is like these are our guys.

722
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,199
I'm not seeing the fit there,
so I think they'd want that twenty three

723
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,840
first round back if they had it
to do over again. That's interesting because

724
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,840
I guess I just don't know who
they can't miss guy for them would have

725
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,440
been unless you're you know, I
know he's Case and Wallace and can't they

726
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,440
George's because I don't think Jim Hawkes
or Pods were even sort of listed like

727
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,599
in the realm of anything that like
those teams, like in the top ten

728
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:27,559
were gonna do. Yeah, that's
why draft stuff is stupid, because I

729
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,000
just couldn't think of a whole lot
else that I really didn't like about Orlando's

730
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:34,480
last year or so, because they're
very much like on the Rise and so

731
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,960
that by definition things have gone pretty
well for them. We got a bunch

732
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,760
of guys on good contracts. I
don't I don't really, I just you

733
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,920
could just say, like not going
out there and signing, or you know,

734
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,119
going and getting Tyas Jones via trade, or like going and getting someone

735
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:51,320
to run the offense that type of
thing, or just make threes b someone

736
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,920
were just like like Joe Ingles when
he was healthy, like gave them some

737
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,199
good minutes. But I probably would
have just default, and this might have

738
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,400
been more of a cop out.
You were definitely more specific was the needed

739
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,679
to upgrade the shooting and floor spacing
in the half court immediately in higher volume,

740
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,960
and you just didn't do that because
Joe Ingles when healthy isn't gonna play

741
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,280
a crap ton of minutes. You
already mentioned, like Jet Howard's just not

742
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:14,480
like a like a huge factor for
them. I don't mind the Anthony Black

743
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,840
pick as much though, just because
that dude is a menace on the defensive

744
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,719
end. I don't love his fit
in Orlando long term. The jumper is

745
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,960
a big one with him, he
looks a little bit more confident. The

746
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,159
percentages don't necessarily wind up with it, but he looks a little bit more

747
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:30,519
confident with it. He has been
better. Yeah, for sure, this

748
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,440
is maybe the hardest one for me. We have the I have the Philadelphia

749
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,519
seventy six ers next, like,
because you need to go back a little

750
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:43,000
farther to like outside of twenty three. I think to to do sort of

751
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,519
like big picture stuff. So I
ultimately went with their kind of free agency

752
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:50,840
holding pattern, which I don't even
love because they got Kelly Ubray for the

753
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,599
minimum. They got Patrick Beverley for
the minimum, but they did as they're

754
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,880
trying to figure out what to do
with the James Harden trade demand they did

755
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,039
lose and shake Milton and who's the
third guy that I never remember, Jalen

756
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,679
McDaniels, who they had just traded
for. They lost all three of those

757
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,320
guys, and it seemed like it
was at least related to this holding pattern

758
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,440
they were kind of in while they
decided like okay, what how what's our

759
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:15,079
roster going to look? Like?
What do we do? I don't know

760
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,159
how much any of those guys other
than McDaniels would have really helped, And

761
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,800
with Uber on the back on the
floor and looking like one of the better

762
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,880
minimum signings, like maybe not at
all, But I just struggled to find

763
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,719
a big regret for a team that
like moved off James Harden for decent value.

764
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,599
Is one of the only two teams
that has a plus ten net rating

765
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,679
in the league right now. Like
the Sixers are looking pretty good, Maxi's

766
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,800
blown up, So that just fixed
everything that you know, maybe they're not

767
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,320
going to have enough offensive boom farround
o embiid so like that's the best I

768
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,920
got. I don't I don't see
a ton of obvious regrets there for for

769
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,440
the Sixers. Yeah, I don't
even know how you would like reframe the

770
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:57,280
James Harden stuff either, Like would
they could we just settle on should they

771
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,280
have moved fork on cork Maas already
even to trade him? It's for like

772
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,079
how many how many days since trade
man? Like because you could say,

773
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:14,440
could say you can't go ahead.
Can you say they should have fired Doc

774
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:20,280
Rivers like in the middle of last
last season. I mean probably not because

775
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,400
then Nick Nurse isn't available and he's
been great for them, so because then

776
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,760
you don't get Nurse. So I
don't think it can be that you could

777
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,440
say, like again, it goes
back too far. Just do something different

778
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,280
with the hardened uh whatever. You
know, he's going to take a haircut

779
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,719
deal, so you can go get
PJ. Tucker and Daniel Aus like something

780
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,360
surrounding that, just like making any
kind of unclear agreement with Harden, because

781
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,599
that spiraled out of control and you
had the lire comments and all that stuff.

782
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,400
But like in the end, that's
fine. That turned out fine because

783
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,719
you did you were able to trade
him, You were able to get a

784
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,159
couple first, you were able to
get the expiring salary that you like I

785
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:59,119
don't know that that as crazy as
it sounds, like all that kind of

786
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,639
worked out, which seemed impossible for
a long time, but it sort of

787
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:06,000
did. So I didn't know what
to do with that one. Yeah,

788
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,039
they were a tough team, which
is weird because it's just like, I

789
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:13,639
guess you could I don't know,
I mean, so what did you actually

790
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,599
end up settling on? I'm sorry, just like the free agency holding pattern,

791
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,920
you know, which, yeah,
you know, just like and then

792
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,159
what does that do aside from you
should have played better when you went up

793
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:28,400
on the Boston Celtics in the playoffs, just like that, you know what

794
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,079
I mean? Yeah, right right, Yeah, we could have. I

795
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,800
could have. I'm sure I could
have found a game like Joel Embiid tweaked

796
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,920
his knee in the playoffs, Like
they regret that we should have benched James

797
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,119
Harden for Game seven and maybe they
would have won or something. Yeah,

798
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,880
only played him a couple of good
games, all right. Toronto Raptors are

799
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,880
easier again several, I mean in
the sense that there's plenty to choose from

800
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,840
its narrow down. No, that
is the first one, because like we

801
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,559
let's go through the ones. I
didn't pick letting Fred van Vliet go for

802
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,960
nothing. I didn't pick that.
I didn't pick not trading Fred van Vleet

803
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,320
when they should have could have picked
that, could have picked not trading Gary

804
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,800
Trent Junior before he like shockingly opted
in. I don't know if you saw

805
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,320
that coming. It didn't seem to
You could pick not trading Anonobi or Pascal

806
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,199
Siaka at last year's deadline if you
wanted to, based on some of the

807
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,800
offers that were available. Then I
went like simpler because I feel like it's

808
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,440
indicative of just like the whole like
what are you doing vibe of the raptors,

809
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,719
which is the Yaka Pearl trade,
which is related to then paying Yaka

810
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,840
Pearl eighty million over four years after
you traded is a top it's top six

811
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,480
protected first rounder to the Spurs for
him. That just made no sense to

812
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:42,920
me. This idea that I guess
the thinking was last year, Pearl will

813
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,599
get us out of this whole like
size thing. He's going to defend the

814
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,920
rim. He's a decent facilitator,
which all of which is true, like

815
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,960
Pearl is a pretty solid starting center. But to give up a first for

816
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:58,400
him and then have to pay him
to keep him now on a team that

817
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,000
is, you know, one of
the worst teams in the East outside of

818
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:05,280
like the absolute Tankers. Uh,
it just it doesn't. It didn't make

819
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,639
sense. Then it was indicative of
a general lack of direction and like inscrutable

820
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,320
like roster planning. So I went
with that. But there's like a half

821
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,760
dozen other ones you could just nominate
and they'd be They would clearly be several

822
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,880
other team's biggest regrets the Raptors have
like more than their share. Well,

823
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,159
here's the real question. There's no
your pick isn't arguable. I think will

824
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,639
we be sitting here this time next
year saying the same thing about Pascal Siakamroji

825
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:36,599
Ananobi, like that they let them
go for nothing? One of them go

826
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:42,440
for nothing. I mean there's a
decent chance, right, Like I just

827
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:46,199
you can't though you can't. You
can't after Van Fleet because we never got

828
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:51,440
a good explanation for why that happened, the van letting van Fleet go,

829
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,199
Like, I just do they not? Are they not talking to these guys

830
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,119
like leading into like how are you
feeling? Do you want to be here?

831
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,159
It's like I don't understand how you
know because this happens all the time,

832
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:08,360
where I overreact to a guy being
on an expiring deal and the team's

833
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,599
risk of him of getting nothing for
him, and you always correctly point out

834
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:15,679
like you can sign and trade him, like that's just that's that's what teams

835
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,360
do. It's what the Celtics did
with Grant Williams. It's it happens all

836
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,519
the time, Max Struce happens all
the time. You don't always get great

837
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,000
returns with that, you get something, But to let Van Vleet go for

838
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,000
nothing, I just like, I'm
never gonna understand it. I'll never understand

839
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,840
it. And it's I don't buy
the whole we wanted to do right by

840
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,840
Fred van Vliet thing. That's you
know, age eighty nine, Kyle Lowry

841
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,719
wasn't gonna net you a ton fine. Fred van Fleet would have gotten you

842
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,360
at least one first round pick,
of course. And if you're gonna you

843
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,599
know what, if you're gonna be
if you're gonna be down one first round

844
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,719
pick because you decide to overpay for
Yaka pertl which I want that would have

845
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,840
been, that's gonna go down as
just I don't know, man, that's

846
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,000
gonna go down as one of the
like worst trades in Raptors history, I

847
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,360
think, or just one of the
worst trades in the last ten years.

848
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,119
It just made I know, he
sort of filled a need, but it

849
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,559
just made absolutely no sense relatives to
where they were. It's just such a

850
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:14,800
high price. It's such a it
was, that's honestly, it's that trade

851
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,719
that makes Fred Vanfleet leaving for nothing
to pick though, because you don't trade

852
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,199
give up real value for Yaka Pertle
and then yet, excuse me, let

853
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,719
his most valuable offensive partner leave for
nothing, Right, Yeah, it's all

854
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,599
it could just be like all of
twenty twenty three should be in the Toronto's

855
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,199
biggest regret, like every single thing
that happened, I haven't done yet.

856
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,199
Like we're right, there's several days
still to come. Okay, let's close

857
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:45,280
out the East here with the Washington
Wizards, and I guess let's let's frame

858
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,840
it as a question, Dan,
would you rather have Jordan Poole on the

859
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,320
contract he's on right now, Chris
Paul just playing basketball for your team with

860
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,639
a non guarantee for next year,
or a giant like thirty. I don't

861
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,360
know how you would do this,
but somehow just have that cap space sitting

862
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,400
there that would have gone to Paul, Like maybe you flip him into do

863
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,639
something else, like call it,
call it a I don't know other.

864
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:10,840
I'm gonna choose how many answers did
you three? I'm gonna choose answer D.

865
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,000
Could you give me three options?
Right? Uh huh, I'm gonna

866
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,519
go with D. I would rather
have all of the above and or just

867
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:24,559
dead money of Chris Paul for this
year than Jordan Poole. Yeah, I

868
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:29,000
just I was never about the flyer. I understood it and it is.

869
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:31,400
And also, by the way,
I want to say this, because Jordan

870
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,280
Poole had some good moments though for
the Wizards, and he's just become this

871
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,079
meme and sort of just the face
of them being the joke of the league.

872
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,280
And it's not just him, Like
this roster's kind of built for intentional

873
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,480
comedy and badness, and so I
think he gets an unfair shake to that.

874
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:52,119
It's just he's not the player that
the Golden State Warrior store he was.

875
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,440
I don't know if the Draymond Green
punch broke him, I honestly,

876
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:59,599
but like, just looking at what
we see this season and how much he's

877
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,079
on the book for over the next
three years. You can tell me I'd

878
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:06,079
rather have Ben Simmons on this team, and you're just to give myself the

879
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,199
extra flexibility. That's not Look,
that's not a shot at Jordan Poole the

880
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,960
person. I'm glad that he got
paid like good for it. He probably

881
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,719
got a few extra million dollars out
of that Draymond Green punch. By the

882
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,480
way, Yeah, like that's he
got. He got extra generational wealth because

883
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,000
Draymond Green punched him. I'm not
saying I would take that. Maybe Draymond

884
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,599
Green kills me though I'm tired,
that's also fine. I could use a

885
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:30,039
nap. So just like, I
don't need to dump all over Jordan Poole

886
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,280
because he's not the only issue in
Washington and why they're here. They're here

887
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,920
in large part by design. But
like I don't, I do think in

888
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,199
retrospect you look at it and say, okay, well, the better use

889
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:44,159
of assets would have been either just
getting off of his mund like not taking

890
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,360
on his money and then using CP
three as do we try and get him

891
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,400
to play and build his trade value
and flip him. Could we have immediately

892
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,920
flipped him and had this huge trade
exception or just additional customers, or do

893
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,159
we just buy him out and we
deal with this cap hit for this year

894
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:00,679
and like that's it. We just
move on. Yeah. I mean so

895
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,360
it's it's hard because it's also hard
because the biggest of big pictures, the

896
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,119
Wizards, are doing the right things, and like you alluded to it,

897
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,519
you know, bringing on Pool,
it's hard to say he's like, uh,

898
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,639
I don't know, like he's a
he's got an asset with upside,

899
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,960
you know, because he had a
brutal year with the Warriors and all that

900
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,039
stuff. It's like, the contract
is what it is. You're gonna pay

901
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:27,320
him this money and if he hits
like his highest you know tier of like

902
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,880
what's possible for him, Like maybe
he's worth one hundred and twenty three million

903
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,480
over four years. Like maybe,
but as a flyer, like I sort

904
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,719
of get it. It's just now
that we've seen that he's basically worse even

905
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:44,880
than last year, certainly in terms
of a scoring efficiency standpoint, Like it's

906
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,760
just he's not I think maybe it's
maybe this is what it is. Even

907
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,559
if he were you know, the
two years ago version of himself. I'm

908
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:58,960
not sure that he's a great type
of player to have in an organization that's

909
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,119
trying to develop like multiple young talents, because I don't know how much better

910
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:06,880
he makes guys. I don't know
how much of a positive influence he is

911
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,280
on, just like a team's commitment
to defense, for example, or just

912
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,039
general like all the all the Warriors
would never shut up about how hard Jordan

913
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:15,800
Pool works and how much time he's
in the gym, But that's different than

914
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,360
like just not competing on one end
of the floor all the time. So

915
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:24,000
like as a tone setter, I
think it's become clear that like maybe not

916
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:28,519
ideal. Also, in addition to
the money, so fairly easy one for

917
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:30,199
the Wizards to close it out,
Yeah, I think it is there.

918
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:35,119
What would be the alternative because it's
not the rally build, no trade clause

919
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:38,639
just like that predates this exercise,
and you absolutely you don't regret entering the

920
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:43,400
rebuild at all. This was none
overdue. You don't regretserating deal. You

921
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,039
don't You probably don't even regret the
Kuzma deal because theoretically that's one of the

922
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:52,079
better contracts in the league right now. I would argue that's the only big

923
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,280
thing they did really after the other
than Bill and the CP three pool kind

924
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,599
of swad. It's like, you
don't even At first, I was like,

925
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:00,039
maybe they should just held on to
Monte Morris and only took a second

926
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,159
round pick to get him. And
now it's oh, Monte Morris, I'll

927
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:06,320
not played this season? Right,
So right? Yeah, sorry, Jordan

928
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:13,360
Poole. It had it had to
be you. Wow, we're on to

929
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,679
stat padding. This one will be
guess a player? Did you want to

930
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,119
kick us off? Grant? You
said you had a couple? I got

931
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:22,639
two for you, all right,
Dan, I don't know, I never

932
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,159
I want to phrase this in the
first person. That's kind of fun.

933
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,519
I think I'll do that, Dan. I was the number nine pick in

934
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,519
the two thousand and two NBA draft. I know we're going a little further

935
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:37,719
back than you're comfortable, but I
think we're okay here. I played for

936
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,039
just two teams from two oh three, my rookie year to twenty thirteen fourteen.

937
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,679
The first was in the West and
the second was in the East.

938
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,440
After twenty fourteen, I bounced around
quite a bit Dallas, Miami and then

939
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:57,159
play internationally kind of multiple places.
Career averages eighteen point nine points, seven

940
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,360
point eight rebounds, fifty three point
seven percent from the field, not a

941
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,960
three point shooter twenty three point six
percent, never tried more than thirty one

942
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:10,480
threes in a season, six time
All Star. This is this is where

943
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,320
you'll start to get it. All
but one of those. With the Phoenix

944
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:20,119
Suns. I made two Western Conference
finals, but never the finals. The

945
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:22,360
Western Conference Finals were in two thousand
and five and two thousand and ten.

946
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:28,000
Mary Starmeyer, correct, good job, I thought I had it after the

947
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:30,760
threes. Really, structure here was
weird. I was like waiting for a

948
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,159
pause in between, and the hits
just kept coming, and so I was

949
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,360
like, all right, what's happening
here? I didn't. I didn't really

950
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,800
divvy up my clues super specifically the
next ones you would have. Would you

951
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,239
have gotten in when I said I
went to five different high schools, No,

952
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,840
I did not know that that was
a big notable thing. If you

953
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,719
look at this basketball reference page,
there's no college obviously, but as high

954
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:54,480
school it's just gone forever. I
would arguably one of the best big man

955
01:01:54,519 --> 01:02:00,000
athletes ever fifteen and ninety three career, doing so many of which were facilities

956
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,480
by my Hall of Fame point guard. I feel like he would have got

957
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:04,599
it by then. Yeah, that
one, that one I would have gotten,

958
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,840
all right, maybe much harder one
also, maybe one that you're gonna

959
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,760
get like right away. I'm not
sure which way this is going to go.

960
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,880
Okay, this has this has an
unusual framing, so you have to

961
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,440
pay attention. My brother was the
number forty five pick in two thousand and

962
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,800
eight. He played nine hundred and
forty six games over fifteen seasons. He

963
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,360
was I'm sorry he was the number. My brother was the number forty five

964
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,039
pick in two thousand and eight,
played nine hundred and forty six games over

965
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:40,119
fifteen seasons. This is this player's
brother. My brother started his career in

966
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:45,639
Phoenix, then went to Houston,
then back to Phoenix, then Miami,

967
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:53,280
Toronto, Brooklyn, Chicago, Milwaukee. My brother made one All Star Game

968
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,519
at age thirty one while a member
of the Heat. He was better the

969
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:00,920
year before, when he averaged point
three points per game for the same Heat

970
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,519
team. I feel like I should
know this. You're gonna get it quickly.

971
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:13,159
You want another clue? Yeah,
my brother got ruthlessly dunked on by

972
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:19,320
Derrick Rose. I mean that's so
many guys before two thousand and nine.

973
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,360
This is my favorite, Derek Rose
Dunk. This is me interjecting, this

974
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,079
is Grant. This is not this
guy's brother. Uh, my brother is

975
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:34,159
left handed. Last clue, my
brother's first name rhymes with my name.

976
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,559
And we were traded from the Suns
to the Heat together in twenty fifteen.

977
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:45,559
We were traded from the Suns to
the Heat. Is it Goran Dragic,

978
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:52,199
Well that's his brother, So yeah, Zoran Dravich, who played like ten

979
01:03:52,320 --> 01:04:00,480
NBA games in his career, So
that's like, I totally as you said

980
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,480
that, like the track record of
like the teams that he was on,

981
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,800
I was like, wait, is
that gored? Like that was the time

982
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,639
that was like, no, wait, that can't be it. And clearly,

983
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:11,480
well they all had to be clues
about gore On Dravis because well,

984
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:17,840
sixteen games in his career for Zoran
Drags uh just never played. Uh.

985
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,679
But congratulations, you've gotten the most
obscure guests a player we've ever done,

986
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,960
because I guarantee whoever we picked before
has played more than Zoron Drag, which

987
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,320
is sixteen career games. So good
job. You're in the record books most

988
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:38,000
obscure successful guest player. Thank you. I appreciate that. But that's all

989
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:42,199
I have got more. Nope,
that's it all right. I got a

990
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:45,599
few from We have some from Rubikscal, one from be Rich, and we

991
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:47,760
have a bunch from Mike Kurnishing in
a doc he set up for me.

992
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,039
So that was very nice of him. Let's do a couple from Mike Kurnishing.

993
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:53,880
First, shout out to him Happy
birthday. I think it was recently

994
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,280
or he's in Vegas celebrating it right
now, So shout out to you,

995
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,159
Happy birthday, Happy birthday. Okay, So do you like that set up?

996
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:01,000
Do you just want me to keep
reading until you get it? Or

997
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,719
do you like the pauses like CLU
one CLU two? What I like?

998
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:10,840
I like the pauses? I think
clue number one. I was picked number

999
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,400
twenty seven in my draft. Okay, do it for you? Nope,

1000
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:19,519
clue number two. At the time
of my selection, the fans of the

1001
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:23,800
team I was drafted by thought that
the front office confused me with a different

1002
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,239
player in the draft, leading to
a somewhat unfair nickname. Ooh, that's

1003
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,599
that's triggering some alarm bells. Go
ahead, I'm not going. Okay,

1004
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:38,280
go ahead. Clue number three.
Notable not so good players taken in front

1005
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,800
of me were Don mccerr, Gershan
Jabouceli, Wade Baldwin, Denzel Valentin,

1006
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:48,880
and Malachi Richardson. Okay, those
guys were taken ahead of so this guy's

1007
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,800
probably pretty good if we're oh wait, so oh that's that draft class.

1008
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,400
He's given it away, all right, go ahead. I'd be like,

1009
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,000
you want me to give you the
draft class, because yeah, give me

1010
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,159
those players again. I was and
thinking in those terms of what year that'd

1011
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:05,920
be, so Gershon Yabuceli, Wade, Baldwin, and it was I mean,

1012
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,360
this might be very it's the twenty
twenty six draft class. Does that

1013
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,920
do it better for you? Twenty
sixteen? Yeah? Okay, uh yeah,

1014
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,519
okay, yeah, I got it. Clue number four. I'm the

1015
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:21,320
second most decorated player of all the
players selected in my draft class. Oh

1016
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:29,880
wow, twenty seventh. Big,
it's not Desmond Bane. That's too early.

1017
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,639
Go ahead, yeah, Clue number
five. I have an incredibly bad

1018
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:41,239
self anointed nickname, so it's confused
for someone else on draft night and a

1019
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:46,159
bad self anointed nickname. I don't
know. That's not helping me. Clue

1020
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:50,199
number six, I have a Tabasco
sauce flavor and a McDonald's mcflurry named after

1021
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:59,239
me in the city that I play. What. Oh, I don't know

1022
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,480
that one. If it's any consolation, I don't think I would have gotten

1023
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:05,480
this yet either. How many clues
do I have left? Too? And

1024
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:10,800
I think you'll get it after this
one? Oh boy? I clude number

1025
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,440
seven. I won Most Improved Player
in twenty nineteen, along with an NBA

1026
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:25,079
title, uh twenty nineteen. Toronto
won it in nineteen. Who the hell

1027
01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:30,760
is on? I just want to
go through the twenty nineteen Raptors Most Improved.

1028
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:34,519
Oh it's uh, it's Siakam,
Yes it is. I was wondering

1029
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:36,880
why TOOKI somped again. I don't
I just forgot. I don't know why

1030
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,480
I've blanked on Most Improved. I
think I think I'm slipping and guess the

1031
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:44,840
player. I feel like I used
to be better at this. H Look,

1032
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,079
it's the week. It's like the
last week of the year. I'm

1033
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:49,679
just going to chalk it up to
that. Okay, Uh, next one.

1034
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,559
Clue number one. I was drafted
by the Sonics and then traded to

1035
01:07:53,599 --> 01:08:03,880
the Magic for Horace Grant. Hmm
s Magic for Horace Grant. Uh.

1036
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:11,840
I got a couple guesses. You'd
care to venture some of them? But

1037
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:15,920
wait? So I was traded from
the Sonics to the Magic and then traded

1038
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,199
to the Magic for Horace Grant.
I don't remember Horace Grant ever being on

1039
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:26,159
the Sonics, so that's not a
great start. Go ahead, Clue number

1040
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:30,079
two. I was immediately traded again
after my rookie year. Oh boy,

1041
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,439
okay, Clue number three. I
was part of a fun, up and

1042
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,439
coming trio of youngsters for the team
I was traded to, where I played

1043
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:44,600
for the next eight years. So
you go drafted by the Sonics, goes

1044
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,920
to the Magic, ends up on
a third team with two other exciting players.

1045
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:53,520
This has got to be like late
nineties, early two thousands, all

1046
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,680
right, Clue number four. I
then signed a mega deal with Grant's beloved

1047
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,279
Warriors, where I was largely uninspired. Okay, well, I have to

1048
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:11,880
get it now. Who the hell
Sonics to the Magic to the Warriors in

1049
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,039
the early two thousands signed a mega
deal. The word is megadeal. The

1050
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:19,640
word is megadeal. All right,
I don't have it. I probably should

1051
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:24,079
have it. Clue five, You're
second to last one. I was so

1052
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,760
bad for Golden State that the locals
gave me a nickname to describe my play

1053
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,279
style that is not suitable for younger
audiences. I don't know what that is.

1054
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,880
Uh, I don't know it either, So I'd like to know what

1055
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:43,640
this nickname is. What's the last
clue? Clue six? My more well

1056
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:50,399
known nickname is based off the similarity
between my last name and canned pasta,

1057
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,439
the can pasta. If you don't
have it, I'll give you the can

1058
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:00,600
pasta name. Was it like chef
Boyarde? No? Oh? What other

1059
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,920
canpasta is there? Oh? Yeah, yeah, Corey mcgetty, Corey Mcgeeyah,

1060
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:10,039
there you go. Do you know
this not suitable for younger audiences?

1061
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:13,119
Nickname that he had? Because I
don't, I did. Nothing comes to

1062
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:19,640
mind. I'm trying to think who. I wonder who the the the three

1063
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:26,640
young players that he like got It
was an excited like, who is that

1064
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,119
Clippers team with like Darius Miles and
lamar odom or out In brand or no

1065
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:32,359
am I missed from it could have
been I could have been. I didn't

1066
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:39,159
remember. The mcgetty was drafted by
the Sonics. Interesting, where is his

1067
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:43,800
basketball reference page? Let's see if
that was the I feel like maybe I

1068
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:46,159
feel like I do feel like he
was the Clippers. So he started out

1069
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:48,960
Orlando, Yeah, and then he
was with the Clippers, So it must

1070
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,479
have been Darius Miles was definitely one
of the exciting young players. And then

1071
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,680
I'm guessing Corey mcghetty and it was
lamar Odom, or it could have been

1072
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,119
Michael Olo Wakandi at that point.
You know Richard was on that team too.

1073
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:05,479
Was young Sean Livingston there yet?
Or is he later with Percy And

1074
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,079
I'm looking at just the first season, which was two thousand and one,

1075
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,560
he was not. It had to
be just looking at the ages, it

1076
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:17,199
was Darius Miles, Corey mcghetty,
and then well, Quentin Richardson and Lamar

1077
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,960
Odom were both twenty one or younger, so it could have been a quartette

1078
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:27,600
of Now I'm just I'm trying to
see you know, you look like mcgetty.

1079
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,640
I wish I wish it had the
clue been I committed one of the

1080
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,319
most egregious travels of all time,
I would have probably gotten it sooner because

1081
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:38,239
there's the travels like eight times in
one play. Uh do you want to

1082
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:44,399
know how for his career, Corey
mcgetty took thirty one point one percent of

1083
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,720
his shots from sixteen to twenty three
feet. That's real bad. Nobody allow

1084
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:55,439
anymore. Daryl Mburdy's somewhere shaking with
rage. DeMar de Ro's wishes he could

1085
01:11:55,479 --> 01:12:00,079
get that many. All right,
okay, give me another one. All

1086
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:01,960
right, let's do. We'll wrap
up this one from Mike Age and then

1087
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,760
move on to the others that we
have. Clue number one. This is

1088
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,079
a short one six clues, so
pressures on. My older brother was somewhat

1089
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,319
seen as the better draft prospect,
despite him being out of the league by

1090
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:17,880
the time I came into the league. Oh my older brother. Okay,

1091
01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:23,399
okay, um, so let me
just I want to double check because the

1092
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,720
draft class isn't listed here, and
I feel like you should at least get

1093
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,600
that. I was drafted twentieth in
twenty fifteen Sandwich between a bunch of guys

1094
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,079
no one remembers, and his older
brother was regarded as the better prospect.

1095
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,680
Correct. I feel like I should
get it right away. Okay, what's

1096
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,239
the next one. I was part
of a loaded bench unit for a team

1097
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:45,640
that was the number one seed in
the conference early on in my career,

1098
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:51,760
where I was still playing alongside one
of my college teammates twenty fifteen draft class.

1099
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,319
Okay, don't have it, clue
four, said college teammate and I

1100
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,399
were traded within six months of each
other to teams in the same division,

1101
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,399
and I haven't been the same player
since then, despite being a decent backup

1102
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:14,840
point guard. Point guard. Uh
hmm, don't you have it? I

1103
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,880
don't. I almost thought I've had
a little spark happen, but then I

1104
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,680
don't. I don't have a decent
backup point guard with a brother who was

1105
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:29,079
regarded as the better prospect. It's
not like it's way too late to be

1106
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:31,680
one of the Tigus. It's not
like Marquise Tigue or Jeff Tigue or anything

1107
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,800
like that. No, Okay,
what's the next clue? I've been traded

1108
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:42,439
for Marcasohl, Trevor Ariza, and
current professional wrestler Satinum sing in my career.

1109
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:50,319
Marcus Ol, Trevor, I mean, everybody's been traded for Trevor Resa.

1110
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:55,399
Okay, what's the next one?
Final clue? I'm currently trapped on

1111
01:13:55,479 --> 01:14:02,000
the Terra offul Washington Wizards. Oh
uh, it's not Delanne right, it

1112
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:06,760
is right. I thought his brother. I thought the clue was that his

1113
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:13,279
brother was in the same draft class, because Durrell right was way before that.

1114
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,880
No, I said his older brother. It was who had an older

1115
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,239
brother in the same draft class that
was regarded as better than him. Okay,

1116
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:24,960
all right, well we got it. Uh, let's do let me

1117
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:28,239
get to help if I had the
messages open, let's get to be Rich's

1118
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:31,800
weekly one. Are you ready?
Yes, I think so. Although he

1119
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,399
we have to get into the mindset
what do you call it, of got

1120
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:40,279
to get in the mind of a
psychopath. He he did text me saying

1121
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:45,279
I might have submitted one that you've
already done, or I might not have.

1122
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,319
So now I'm on tilt because I
don't know if I need to think

1123
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:51,199
about players that I've already done A
guess a player for fun story. He

1124
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:55,520
sent me this without the answer,
and I should have known it, but

1125
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,880
I had to look it up and
I was so mad at myself. Okay,

1126
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,279
so it's so it's some you feel
like you should have gotten Yes,

1127
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,680
Okay, Clue number one. I
was drafted the mid first round twenty fifteen

1128
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:14,119
after spending one year in college at
a storied program. All right, Clue

1129
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:16,119
two, I've had a negative net
rating via cleaning the glass every year of

1130
01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:24,199
my career except in a twelve hundred
minute sample with the Phoenix Suns. Twenty

1131
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:30,119
you said twenty fifteen. Mm hmm, middle of the first round basically shitty,

1132
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:36,279
except for when you're a good,
perfectly shitty middle of the first round

1133
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:39,840
to the Suns. I feel like
that should that should be enough, But

1134
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,840
I don't have it yet. So
what's the next one? Clue three,

1135
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,079
I've been traded four times so far, involving NBA luminaries such as Chris Paul,

1136
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,880
Trevor Ariza, Ricky Rubio, Ty
Jerome, and Tim Hardaway Junior.

1137
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:55,159
For the rationale behind me being traded
so often, go back to clue number

1138
01:15:55,159 --> 01:16:00,960
two that he has a negative net
rating all the time. Uh, I'm

1139
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,199
so bad when it's like I was
traded for this guy. I just I

1140
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:05,920
never remember Chris Paul. One.
If you don't get this is gonna be

1141
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:11,760
the one that you kick and scream
about that he was traded for, because,

1142
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,479
like you said, everyone's been traded
for Trevor Reza. Yeah, A

1143
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,359
prestigious, a middle a middle of
the first round pick from a what was

1144
01:16:19,399 --> 01:16:25,239
the what was the descriptor for the
college? A prestigious, storied pro story.

1145
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:32,319
So we're like in the Duke Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina situation area

1146
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:38,359
here and it was good with the
Suns. All right, can go ahead

1147
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:42,319
for a sense of what type of
player I am. One of my nicknames

1148
01:16:42,359 --> 01:16:45,880
is shot. I shoot often and
I rarely passed. As such, the

1149
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,880
highest assist to usage ranking of my
career is the fifteenth percentile. I've had

1150
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,840
three years so far ranking either in
the first percentile or zero eight percent.

1151
01:16:55,319 --> 01:17:02,359
So just a chucker? Is it? Landry Shammitt? No, I don't

1152
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:04,680
know why. I don't know what
college he went to, but it just

1153
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:10,000
he seems like a chucker to me. The Chris so I should get it

1154
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,920
based on the Chris Paul thing is
what you're telling me, that's the one

1155
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,039
you should get it. This is
what's the next clue, gonna be clue

1156
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:19,680
number five. You will get it
after clue number five. Okay, Uh,

1157
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,760
it's just hard to figure out,
like which Chris Paul trade we're talking

1158
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,479
about. There's just been a few. There's been a few, but he

1159
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,199
also has traded for Trevor Reza,
So we gotta go. It can't be

1160
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:34,239
like the I wouldn't think it'd be
the one to Phoenix. It's certainly not

1161
01:17:34,319 --> 01:17:40,600
the one to Washington or Golden State. So we're talking about like someone in

1162
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:45,319
the Houston, maybe the thunder.
All right, you're gonna have to just

1163
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:47,000
give me a clue five. This
is gonna be dead air of me thinking

1164
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:53,279
a lanky lefty I dropped forty for
the Warriors against the MAVs in twenty twenty

1165
01:17:53,279 --> 01:18:00,279
one, A lefty who dropped forty
against the MAVs for the Warriors and twenty

1166
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,479
twenty one. Dude, Oh,
I just I'm telling you, I'm getting

1167
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,279
worse at these I don't know what's
happening. Why can't I think of a

1168
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:13,600
left hander? I mean, I
want to You will get it after the

1169
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,600
next clue, because I didn't even
read the next clue before I googled it.

1170
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,760
I don't know if there was like
a show more option in Discord I

1171
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,279
didn't see. But I didn't even
notice this clue when I first went through

1172
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:24,640
it. This is insane to me
that I can't think of a left handed

1173
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,159
player on the Warriors that got forty
points within the last two years. Honestly,

1174
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:30,760
whether or not you get it after
the final clue, be Rich needs

1175
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,399
to pour himself a glass of his
favorite adult beverage. Now, yeah,

1176
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:40,479
I feel like the angrier I get
that, I can't guess. It just

1177
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,439
is the greater, the more successful
the guess a player is basically all right,

1178
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,039
Okay, I mean I could just
sit here and think about I could.

1179
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:53,159
I think I should be able to
get it based on the lefty scoring

1180
01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:58,119
forty You should? Yes? Why
can't I go ahead? You want to

1181
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,000
take a stab? Or do you
want the finals? Nothing comes to mind.

1182
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:02,640
I can't think of a left handed
person. I don't know why.

1183
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,720
For the word Andre spi Adrench,
It's probably not him. No, it's

1184
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,439
it's definitely not him. Uh Okay
the final clue, I may or may

1185
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,960
not have been struck in a hit
and run accident in November of this season.

1186
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:20,880
Okay, yeah, Kelly oubre Kelly
Abridgejr. You're wrong, No,

1187
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:27,520
I meant his. I meant senior
little known fact. Uh yeah, okay,

1188
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:31,760
his exact his exact words to me
where Grant should get it on the

1189
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:39,920
lanky lefty clue with the latest wrong. That's where you're wrong. Uh,

1190
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,720
let's see now I'm looking back.
Okay, he went to Kansas, all

1191
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,399
right, God damn, I'm slipping, all right. I don't know how

1192
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,399
I'm going to redeem myself after that
one. Well, we have one from

1193
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,520
rubik'scal So are you ready to redeem
yourself with that one? I'm gonna do

1194
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,159
my best. Clue one. I
wasn't highly recruited out of high school,

1195
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:04,560
and I got only one scholarship offer
from a Division two college. C J.

1196
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:11,720
McCollum. No was lehigh at Division
two college. No, I just,

1197
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,960
I just I just remember him not
being recruited. Basically, you don't

1198
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:16,960
end up the Patriot League. You
don't end up with the Patriot League if

1199
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,640
you're highly recruited. Clue two,
I committed to a D three college instead.

1200
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,279
In my one year with them,
I led them to a twenty eight

1201
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:28,760
and five record with seventeen point one
points per game and six point five rebounds

1202
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:34,439
per game. Derek White, no
thought I had it. Clue three.

1203
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:41,239
My groundbreaking season attracted many D one
teams. College X offered to only sign

1204
01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:44,600
me as a walk on, but
eventually they relented. Making me the first

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,319
D three player to make a transition
to D one on a full scholarship.

1206
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,159
I have a couple Okay, we
don't have any dates at all here,

1207
01:20:53,239 --> 01:20:57,119
so I'm gonna go I have two
guesses. The first is Stephen Jackson.

1208
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,880
That is incorrect. The second is
Jimmy Butler. That is also incorrect.

1209
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:08,359
You're getting warmer though. Ooh interesting. Clue number four. In my senior

1210
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,439
year at College X, I sent
a text to Ringer sports journalist Mark Titus

1211
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,960
to find out more about life as
a sports writer. But contrary to popular

1212
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,000
belief, it wasn't because I thought
I didn't have a future in basketball.

1213
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:26,520
It was just part of a college
course assignment. Oh that rings so many

1214
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,319
bells, the Mark Titus thing.
All right, I h okay, go

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01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:34,000
ahead. Clue five. I was
named Big ten six Man of the Year

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01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,560
in my senior year, but I
went unsigned in the draft. No one

1217
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,319
wanted to take a chance on a
four year college player who started in a

1218
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:44,600
D three college. Finally, this
team offered me a two way contract.

1219
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:53,840
So it can't be Tucker because that's
too long ago, is it? It's

1220
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,520
not Jay Crowder? Is it?
No? No? But you are naming

1221
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:03,079
current and past teammates of his.
Well, I mean everybody's played with those

1222
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:08,560
guys. Go current, interesting a
current Jay Crowder teammate. No, I

1223
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,880
said you are naming. I didn't
especial by which one was the current teammate.

1224
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,880
Oh well, all right, so
I gotta maybe gotta start. His

1225
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,439
current teamate is not Derek White.
His current teammate is not Derek White.

1226
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:25,119
No, and he's never played with
Derek White. All right, Yeah,

1227
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:29,119
I don't need another clue. You
have two more clue. Six. I'm

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01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:31,439
the fastest player to reach two hundred, three hundred, four hundred, five

1229
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,840
hundred, six hundred, seven hundred, eight hundred and nine hundred made threes,

1230
01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:39,159
marketing was the fastest to reach one
hundred made threes. In case you

1231
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:43,760
were wondering, Duncan Robinson correct,
what a bunch like? Such a thorough

1232
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,279
one from Rubik's gal God damn it. That's a perfect clue because it just

1233
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:49,880
totally orients you, like, Oh, okay, there's a player type that

1234
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:54,319
I am just not anywhere close to
me. So he played with Jake Crowder

1235
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:58,279
and Jimmy Butler, obviously that was
fine. Yeah, I did not know

1236
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:00,520
about the Mark tightest text message yus
sent it to me. I was reading,

1237
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,840
I was like, that's so wild. Yeah, read the text message.

1238
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:10,279
Sure, hey Mark, my name
is Duncan Robinson and I'm a senior

1239
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:13,600
on the men's basketball team at Michigan. I'm reaching out to you because for

1240
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,880
one of my classes, we are
asked to connect with somebody in the industry

1241
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:19,880
that we are interested. I'm a
big fan of The Ringer and specifically your

1242
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,199
work. Was wondering if you would
have some time to connect so I could

1243
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:26,880
potentially learn more about your role as
a staff writer and the Ringer in general.

1244
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,960
Hope, hope all's well with you? How nice? A nice what

1245
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,279
a nice little message. Future podcaster
Duncan Robinson. Yeah, okay, all

1246
01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:40,560
right, that's a good one.
I sort of like there's just too many

1247
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:45,319
guys that had the like not recruited, went to like a D two,

1248
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,840
D three, But then I mean
the guy he made it to friggin' Michigan,

1249
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:54,079
so he was eventually everybody caught on
the negotiation process like where it's will

1250
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:56,319
let you be a walk on,
but then it just pivots to a full

1251
01:23:56,359 --> 01:23:59,479
scholarship, Like that's quite the jump. Well, and who looks at like

1252
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,840
a light out shooter that's like six' nine or whatever he is. And

1253
01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:05,680
I mean you, I guess like
you just assume he can't do anything else.

1254
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,720
But Duncan Robinson has does nothing but
but prove that narrative wrong. For

1255
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,159
the last like eighteen months. Basically
he had like eight separate renaissances and reinventions.

1256
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:18,720
Yeah, because like I remember,
it probably was this time last year

1257
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,640
where he just like wasn't playing anymore
and it was like, oh my god,

1258
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,880
this is one of the worst contracts
in all of a sudden, I

1259
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,000
think when he was playing well in
the playoffs. It is why the Max

1260
01:24:28,039 --> 01:24:31,840
Shruce departure was viewed as so critical
because it's always Duncan Robinson really back and

1261
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,119
he had there. Yeah, Duncan
Robinson's really back and better, very much

1262
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:39,800
back. This will be the final
one. It's from Rubikscal as well,

1263
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,239
and they have some trivia that they
she sent us that if we have time,

1264
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:45,880
we'll get to on the next one. Clue number one. I was

1265
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,800
drafted by the Toronto Blue Jays and
played for them for three years between nineteen

1266
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:53,960
seventy nine and nineteen eighty one,
making two hundred eleven appearances and hitting two

1267
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,800
twenty with two home runs and one
hundred and forty six hits. I was

1268
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,600
the youngest player ever to score a
home run for the Blue Jays, a

1269
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,520
record that stood for eighteen years.
Danny Ainge, correct, Holy shit,

1270
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:09,399
I did not know that at all. Well, I feel better about this

1271
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,640
whole enterprise now that I that is. Wow. Take us, We're done,

1272
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,760
Take us out of here. Close. On that note, I just

1273
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,319
want to thank Danny Ainge and my
weird knowledge of two sport athletes. Just

1274
01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:24,880
feel really good about it. Thank
all of you for if you count being

1275
01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:30,680
like the almost trade Wizard, the
almost trade Wizard really good GM so Ruby,

1276
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,680
scal Be, Rich, Mike,
thank you for all of your contributions

1277
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,039
and for your support and everybody else
who is supporting us. The ways to

1278
01:25:39,079 --> 01:25:43,039
do that as always, to rate, review, subscribe thumbs up, like

1279
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:46,359
give us positive comments. Wherever you're
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1280
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:51,680
on our socials, join our discord
so you can get involved in the discussion,

1281
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:56,119
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that in the YouTube and podcast description,

1282
01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:00,600
which is also where the way to
get merch which Dan is right now,

1283
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,880
I'm drinking from a cup right here, Hardinnox cup. Yeah. I

1284
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:12,119
think that's it. Thanks everybody.
Thanks Danny Ainge, Happy New Year.

1285
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,439
Shout out to the one only Frank
Milla Keene. Apologies to Jared Allen