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dots jee Brahm. It's Bilified. The Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello
and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend.
That's how we spread the word about the pirate ship. Danny's here,
Gregg's here, Kevin's not here. Yeah, what's going on? So I
so I said to ky I just send them to texag Are you coming?
And he's like, what time? I said, four thirty? I go.
Now we're here. Now, He's like, when was this discussed?
I said Friday. Yeah. I go, oh, that's how Greg was
here. He goes, well, I was drinking Friday. He goes,
you must have said it after I left. I go, no, I
didn't. I know. I didn't know. I know I did not.
You guys went out Thursday, right, We went to Thursday's, well,
Thursdays because we were excited for the draft. Yeah. And then Buffalo,
I think smartly, I know many people. I think it was one of
those ones where people were kind of holding your breath, kind of going,
oh my god, what are they doing? And then I thought they got
a great receiver. And Kevin sent me a really funny thing. I meant
to grab the audio from of the kid at the press conference talking about his
coach. Yeah, I got it in May seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine.
I gotta go get some new Colthores. They gotta get me in blue
and a red one now. Yeah. Doug Gottlieb retweeted it goes my mom
taught me the same thing to shop two seasons ahead and saved money. And
he doesn't realize he's live. And then he asked about the snacks at the
table. He wanted to get to the snacks first before the press guy.
Then afterwards, I don't know if you were talking going to talk about this.
He reaches for the Wegmans cookies and starts asking about the cookies. Yeah,
I did, I did see that. That would be uh. I
love Kean Coleman, wide receiver out of Florida State, who we picked.
Who we picked number thirty three, which was the first pick of the second
round because we traded our We traded our twenty eighth pick to Kansas City,
which was controversial, and we were when we were at Thirsty's, we were
like, what the hell are they doing? They gave up Worthy? I
mean Worthy was the receiver that was ok talk to me about Worthy because Xavier
Worthy was somebody who had the fastest time in the forty yard dash. So
combine history, in combine history. Have you ever seen The Flash, the
comic book The Flash? Yes, that's him. Okay, but now some
people are saying, why would we do that? Why would you give him?
Patrick Mahomes blah blah. He doesn't have good hands from what I understood.
Yeah, I mean they're they're the knockgoun Worthy is that his catching and
reliability in his past route running is not strong. He's fast as hell.
He can extend the field and if you get it to him underneath like like
like Andy Reid does quite often, he fits their offense perfectly. He does
not fit our offense because Josh throws, Josh is more. Josh throws are
usually a little further up the field than they're usually contested catches. One of
the reasons why Kean Coleman is such a huge pickup by the Bills after making
two trades is because he's a phenomenal catcher of the ball and in coverage and
and and contact collision catches. So that's huge. But so so we gave
the Chiefs. Everyone's all up in arms over us. You gave him that
next tree killed two point zero. Well, if they were going to get
him anyways, because we didn't want them, we weren't going to take them.
We wanted Coleman. The Bills were at twenty eight, the Chiefs for
thirty two, and the Packers and Cowboys were not going to take a receiver.
So and uh so that was I can't it great? It was a
great I didn't know a problem with that Kansas City wanted to guarantee they want
They wanted him so bad, and so they gave the Bills. I think
it was a fifth round pick, and I believe the Bills used that or
was it a third round? No, they got a third round. They
jumped like fifty spots swing Carter the defensive tackle from you, Duke, So
they end up getting a defensive tackle off of that, which which again third
round players are are I mean, those guys can make a difference. They
could be an impact player. So we got our guy, you know,
and then we went to and then from then from thirty two, we traded
to Carolina to go to thirty one pick later and I said it. I
said, hey, I'd call you up your old buddies in Carolina because Tepper
is probably we need a first rout pick. Like, there's a video,
a viral video of him. I saw him going in Was it you who
sent it to me? Going into a restaurant? I may have sent it
to you. Somebody said, so, this is an interesting thing. I
don't know if you saw this. To hear this, it was hard to
hear the audio because it was security camera es. But somebody put out outside
of a bar restaurant in Charlotte that said, uh, this year, please
let the GM and coach make the pick. Now, from what I understand,
last year they took a quarterback. But I thought part of the reason
that the like the head coach what's his name got fired, Frank Wright got
fired was the owner wanted the kid that went to the Texans. He wanted
him j Stroud and instead the It sounded like to me the other guys took
Bryce Young, Bryce Young. They wanted Bryce Young. So I've heard it.
I've heard it both ways. That's what that's well, that's what he
made it sound like when he fired them. That was what Tepper said.
So somebody puts this out as a sign. He goes into the restaurant.
Yes, he walks up to the basically the Maynor d station and says,
who put that sign out there? Get out of here? And somebody said,
the person who did it isn't here. Now I don't know, I
want to say, were you so thin skinned? Were you're trying to be
ironic or funny? I can't tell. But with this guy, he seems
like he's kind of a hothead, one hundred percent. Well, first of
all, he's a multi billionaire who has gotten everything he's ever wanted now in
his career. So I mean it makes a lot more sense. I mean,
first of all, I thought Frank Reich is a great I thought he's
a great coach. I thought you. I thought with what he was given
in Indianapolis, he did well with what he inherited in Carolina, which was
a shit show. He was trying to get it back together. Yeah,
and Tupper's a hothead. Yeah, I mean, he's a nut job,
and I wouldn't doubt that a nut job that was going to confront somebody for
a sign, which, by the way, you want passionate fans. That's
what you want, even if they are saying things that maybe you don't like.
You know, it's a you know, as a guy, you want
passion, but sometimes when you get it, you don't know how to handle
it right. And that's a perfect example of he doesn't know how to handle
it right. I know, I speak from experience. Carolina could have just
waited, maybe, but they were afraid the Bills might take this kid.
Yeah, Zebel lag Get, and so they decide, okay, we'll swap
it. Well, he the get came in on Buffalo's Top thirty. Yes,
he did so, as did Worthy. But and so I think they
were like, shit, we we want this was and again was like being
away Bean talks. He is like you get you get a certain you get
an athlete in and there's qualities that distinguish them from others that you want.
And you saw Coleman that interview is what Brandon Bean and what Sean mcgrumomt went
for. Yeah, because the guy's a hard worker. He's got the great
work ethic. He just gets after it and he and the thing they love
about him is he catches the ball in traffic. Yeah, and that's where
Josh pushed the ball a lot of times because he forces it. And you
know, so it's I'm pumped. I thought it was a great pick.
I thought Brandy Bean did a phenomenal job with the draft. Yeah. I
did. Two. There's two guys on here that I'm rooting for big time.
One of them is Ray Davis, the running back out of Kentucky.
I don't know if you've seen read his story or not. Homeless like homeless
At eight nine years old, both mom and dad in jail in San Francisco.
I wound up becoming an award of the state. One of fourteen kids
winds up going to has an opportunity to be adopted, but they this family
would only had room for two, so he left it. He told him
to take his younger brother and sister. He stayed in the system, would
walk his kid is at times when they were home, Mom would be gone
days at a time. She would drop the kids off at daycare and sometimes
be gone for a week a monthly. Then he winds up CouchSurfing for a
while. He gets in with like his third grade teacher who would see him
sometimes for weeks at a time because he would drop his walk his sister to
school, make sure she got to school, go home, take care of
his baby brother, chain stipers, do all this stuff. And when he
could, he went to school, but he didn't, so then this teacher
started pulling him aside and meeting with him, getting him caught up, and
then stayed with him, and eventually he lived with them for three years,
and then he went to Trinity Pauling, which is down by where I grew
up. It's a private school. He got in there and the state of
California tried to basically block it saying that all his support system is here,
nobody's here. Well, his father had come out of jail at that point,
and his dad said, I really would like to see him have this
opportunity. He was going there on a basketball scholarship to Trinity Pauling really yep,
and he said I can also play football, and he broke all kinds
of records. And then from there he went I think to Vanderbilt or no,
he went to Temple, Temple, Temple, then vanil and Vanderbilt and
then Kentucky for his last year. And he's running and that's the kind of
guy. I go, Well, first of all, is that's totally this
is like, this is a movie. This is the next movie. We
see thousand yards of season two in as long as he's three different schools,
three different schools, and he's like a he's like a short yardage back.
He's like he's like a tailback. They call it to like he's like two
hundred and five pounds running back. So he's a he's a ball of steel.
And I'm writing final play of the bill season in twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty five, it'll be him over the goal line in February in the
Super Bowl. And then Disney is going to do a movie. Yeah,
I mean it was it has that Disney and he's by the way, he's
reconnected with his dad and has a decent relationship with his father, who can't
wait to meet him at training. Can Yeah. The kid's name is Ray
Davis, Ray Davis. And then the other guy that really this one blew
me away. This the Travis Clayton pick. Travis Clayton's seventh round six foot
seven athlete out of England has never played football, just a freak athlete,
rugby, bach, sing soccer, and I guess they loved him. In
the compound. People said, this guy is just a freak athlete. Yeah.
And the thing is is that he does not count against the Bills roster
because he's an international player. So they essentially got an FOS spot for a
guy who's just a freak phenomenal athlete. Yeah. Yeah, I don't who
knows if he'll make it, right, but boy, I saw and again
you're seeing clips of things, but he looked like, well, the thing
is is that he's big. They can keep them. They don't have to
cut him because he doesn't count towards their roster number. So why is that
Because the pathways program the pathway so they encourage people who have never played football
to get the chance to learn the game without the fear of getting cut or
having to go and to become part of somebody's sucks practice squad or whatever it's.
They're incentivizing NFL teams to pick these guys and work with them, and
after a few years then he could say, Okay, we're done. So
when they go to England or they go to Germany, it just it galvanizes
that support within the within the countries they go to because there's a guy that's
from that area and now sudden they're huge NFL fans and Bills fans. I
think he ran four to seven nine forty yard dash holy which the Bill said
was faster than all offensive linemen have recorded over the past ten years. So
as an offensive lineman, and he's six seven, six foot seven. I
don't have his weight, he's got to be over three hundred pounds. He's
a big Well. When I saw him, he was jumping around, he
didn't have a shirt on. There was a lot of saggy skin, But
that doesn't mean anything. I mean, he's pretty strong. He was hitting
some stuff, but I don't know. Yeah, I thought, wow,
this looks Yeah, he doesn't need like They joke that he doesn't know a
lot of the rules, so they have to like teach them. Okay,
you can't hold for certain techniques. He's gonna be a project. But Sean
McDermott and Brandon Bean love three types of guys. They love players who are
incredibly athletic, which he is. They love players who actually come from athletic
backgrounds, meaning their parents were Division I athletes or pro athletes. Speaking of
that, did you see who they picked up and uh no, undrafted free
agents? Yeah you did show that. Who was it? Frank Gorgon gor
junior j okay, all right, which I think he's great. Yeah,
sorry, And they love senior Bowl players. And then who's the Lions receiver
that they took to h Yeah, the kid who annual Yeah yeah, well
there was the kid who got busted for uh for for gambling last year.
He sat out a couple of years, he was he was hurt a couple
of times, and then he was on the bubble of making the roster twenty
twenty three and he got busted for for gambling. He and two other Lions,
so he got suspended for a year. So now he's back. He's
the guy that Brandon Bean was working at. I forgot his name. He's
from the Lions. He's another project. Six seven three oh three, three
oh three. Yeahs combine stat six seven three oh three four seven. Okay,
he's got quick feet, quick feet, he's got quick feet, you
know. I mean, you want Spencer Brown at right tackle. Last year
had his best season. Uh. You know, the Bills offensive line gave
up the fewest sacks of any team in the NFL. You got Dion Dawkins
on the left tackle. You lost your center, Mitch Morris. They got
a center this year, George George. Yeah, you know, they they
have what's his name who was gonna slide in and going to take over the
center role starting uh, you know into training camp. You know, we
got the rookie from well he's not a rookie now, rookie guard last year
who's now going to be a secondar player played more snaps on the offensive line
I think than any other player. So yeah, I mean, and you
bring a guy like that, he's an athlete. There's no pressure on this
guy. He's just got to learn now right right right. And I'm gonna
guess if being in those guys in an afters, he's athletic. But when
you're that athletic, you also have to be very disciplined and you gotta be
smart. That's the thing that I'm thinking too. And if you're and you're
not afraid of getting hit, if you were a boxer, you're putting your
whole body out there, right, And then all this stuff. They showed
him doing some line work where he's just popped and he looked quick. But
again I always go, I don't know how much you can tell by something
that somebody tweets out, you know what I mean. It's like he's like
the Dolph lungrain. Yes, right, Yes, that's what you hope.
All right, Well, as long as he doesn't get killed, right or
not? Yuh Now. Roger Goodell went on the Pat McAfee show, and
I'm interested to get your thoughts on this, talking about the season and we're
kind of into the seventeen game season and how even the players are okay with
this and what Roger Goodell would like to see happen. We'll play what Roger
said, and then I'm interested in Greg's thoughts and Dan, well, I
think we're good at seventeen now, but listen, we're looking at how we
continue. I'm not a fan of the preseason. I don't think we need
waste the time right and energy. I don't buy it, and I don't
think these guys like it. Take its No, they're actually discounted now.
So thank you for we got that. But the reality is, you know,
I think I'd rather play some preseason game of the regular season any day.
That's just picking quality, right, So if we get if we got
to eighteen and two, that's not an unreasonable thing. The other thing it
does, which I thought you were going to, is that ends up on
President's Day weekend, which is a three day weekend, which makes a Sunday
night, and then you have Monday off. So that, wow, now
we're cooking. What do you say to the preseason stuff though? Is it
needed? I mean, you don't need any you don't think, no,
just to evaluate a player or see or you got you look. I you'll
hear a lot of the veteran on TV say it takes the offense a little
while because they didn't have enough action in the preseason, but you're not playing
a lot of your starters no matter what side of the ball. I mean,
well, first of all, at this level, you pay so much
money to guys. They're professionals at that level, and for me, the
preseason is all about who's gonna who's gonna. The preseason is for me,
who are the guys that are the most economical, that can fit your roster
and do what they need to do to get their depth. That's what it
is. And so they use those games for that. This whole thing about
you know, we need some games to get the rhythm. Well, no
kidding, I mean you get somebody knew when, But that's what that's what
practice is for. I mean, yes, you know it's like, okay,
well you're just not the same speed. Okay, well the other team's
not the same speed either, So it's there's no there's no competitive advantage or
disadvantage by by not having preseason. I think preseason when I played it out
for it, I hated preseason because for me, it was always the risk
of getting hurt, I was going to say, and it wasn't It wasn't
really counting In college college they really that they have their spring game. They
might do a scrimmage with another school, but they rarely they don't. Usually
they're finding their preseason like that's Nick Saban. It's usually the first half of
the first game, and it could often be against Cupcake U. But that's
their that's their preseason. Yeah, but it counts as it counts on their
schedule, right right. I First of all, I don't think the players
Union is ever going to agree with drop one preseason game and add one regular
season game. There's no way they're gonna agree. What about even with the
two bys, because that's what you're saying, eighteen and two would be two
bys. I thought eighteen and two meant that there'd be eightwo preseason regular season
games. I took it as two bys, and I don't know, I
still think it would be one. Because he says it extends its President's the
weekend, which by the way, gets it off of Valentine's Day. Yeah,
that's where I get jammed up, and but it does. It makes
the Super Bowl and National holiday the day after National but it also cuts into
the NBA, which they love because that's All Star week all Star weekend,
and it's also don't be surprised in the NBA moves also, I would think
they'd have to, Like even the NHL said they'll they'll move that. They
moved their All Star game to the week between the super Bowl and the and
the championship games. All right, we'll take this one. All right,
Well, well you guys would. But the NBA is like, no,
we're President's Day. What do you get in that tournament? Mid season?
In tournament? Now, why don't they just make that their All Star weekend
instead of because you can't get it because Lebron runs the league. But if
you go into March this one, you're gonna wind up with, you know,
March Madness. And yeah, the NBA like, nobody's watching anymore.
I watched last week. Yeah, people watch the playoffsers, no incidive to
watch the regular season. That's why they say, that's why they that's why
they that Silver made the nd season tournament because the ratings were down and it
helped a little but not a lot. And because the players were like taking
games off left and right. But they're still charging these ridiculous prices for games
and games like the last night when I got home, I wanted to see
the league. It's on ESPN three. I was on ABC. It was
yeah, I was on ABC. Oh, I saw it on ESPN three.
Oh good, I'm glad it was on ABC. Okay, I didn't
really think. Yeah, I think I think it was that. That makes
more sense watching it last night. But but yeah, I mean the NBA
now because next year, this next season coming up, there's gonna be a
Wednesday game and it's Christmas Day. They're gonna have two games, and that's
the NBA's big day, Christmas Day. Yeah, and so the the NFL
is just like they don't care anymore. World Series Thursday night, tough crap,
brother, We're going head to head with you. We don't care,
right, And so that's that's what they're that's what they're doing. We are
the King League here, we are the alpha dog. That's what they're doing
for me. I think the way I see if they go eighteen, and
I think eighteen would be great, is that they'll have one preseason game.
They have one preseason game, probably this second or third week of training camp,
or it'd probably be mid August, so there'd be two weeks. So
if they would have the game and then there would be two weeks and then
the regular season would start. So if there's any injuries, you have two
weeks to recover, which it also gives you some prep time leading into it.
Would you start the season a little earlier? Potentially? I do wish
they'd give them two bye weeks. I would start. I mean, as
as it goes only just for recovery and as you're getting into later in the
een games. I mean you might, that's a possibility. It'd be interesting,
and obviously I don't I don't know how complicated the schedule, the two
bye weeks, but I can imagine. I know when they went to the
bye weeks, the scheduler said it was the hardest thing for them to adjust
to sure with scheduling, which which you know. I mean, look,
okay, so the draft is over. Everyone's like, I can't wait for
a training camp. I can't wait for training camp. Trust me, you
know what. I can't wait for the schedule. I came for the scheduling.
I can't wait for it. It's like Christmas. It's like Christmas party.
It's another wait, Wait when is that? I think it's the first
or second week of May. Yeah, it's it varies. They don't because
because of the schedulers go through and they got there's a lot of variations.
There's no specific date for it because it's one they Well, the thing is
that once they want the draft, they want to know if there's any other
free agency moves because they want to get the marquee matchups on the on the
primetime shows and uh locations and so it's so it's usually it's in May,
and it's usually before my birthday, okay, because right around my birthday is
just like kick off your birthday season. Well, what I do is what
I do is I actually schedule my away trips when the schedule lease comes out.
So it's funny. So celebration from Cell Capaccio from the b GR great
guy and we know because he mc that event that you yeah for for Zach.
Yeah. So Sal does this podcast every year when he talks to the
NFL schedule maker. It's his most listed podcast, and he says the schedule
makers say that the Bill is gonna be on primetime quite a bit, which
is no surprises you, but like you're not going to get a regular body
clock again this year for goodbye one o'clock games again. It's gonna be it's
before eight, Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday night. Get used to
it, bills fans because we got Josh Allen, So that's what it's gonna
be. Like, Uh, why don't we take a moment when we come
back? Since we're kind of on this theme of the NFL Draft, I'd
love to play what the Colts GM said? Uh did you catch it?
I saw this? Yeah, good good for him. Well I kind of
say good for him. But yet at the same time, you're investing a
lot of money. So character is a big piece of this. But we
are talking about young men, you know. So I can't wait to hear
it. You haven't heard it, I have not heard it. We will
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so I can lip sync, but dance like kid boy. He's got to
do my fifty night first. He's got the uh oh, the hair,
the hair, and so I sent him a camera that you can take underwater
and stuff and you can put on your helmet and things because they're going to
Costa Rica. And he told me he's gonna send me video of him ziplining
over the trees in Costa Rica. Oh that's cool, Yeah, very cool.
So but I was going, you can't be in a bad mood when
you hear Bernal, You just can't. I mean, listen to this.
I like, this is Greg. This is Greg story. Champagne and caviar
always red lifestyles of the Richard famous, right, Robert Lake, Yes,
And it wasn't it Champagne something and caviar dreams which you champagne wishes and caviar
dreams that I do like champagne. I'm not a caviyar guy. No,
I'm not either. Winnie from The Wonder Years lives in luxury, enjoy champagne
though, you know, I mean, there's there's never an opportunity where one
should spare a bottle of champagne. If you're like tonight, I would open
up a bottle if we were home and just be because it's Sunday, Sunday
fun day. Why, you know, it's like everybody saves their favorite bottle
of wine or their favorite bottle of champagne for that special occasion, the special
occasions that we're here together. Well, I'll tell you that to me is
true freedom. What you're saying, that is true freedom. Like we talk
about freedom and we know what it means, you know, for your person
and government wise and all that. But true freedom is just being able to
do whatever you want when you want, because you know, and having no
limitations none. I mean, that's why I that's all. That's how I
see money. To me, money is freedom. Is that true? I
mean, uh, well, I to a certain agree you could be.
It's like you can become a prisoner of it, you know. Yeah,
you know. The thing is, you know, and I mean I can
only talk to my own life experiences that for me to get to where I
am today, there's been a lot of sacrifices. There's been a lot of
times away from family and loved ones, and then there's been you know,
just things that I priority, right, you know, prioritizing things. And
for me, you know, you love someone, they're your top priority,
but when you work from eight in the morning until ten at night, they
don't feel that way, right, And so those things occur and so but
no it you know, it's like I've said, but if you have a
lot of money, you could hire surrogates. Yeah, no, it doesn't
worry man, I'm too I'm too competitive to spend more than me. Is
not your dad? Yeah right, yeah, but there is a certain you
know, like, for me, what I enjoy is I love going to
I love football. Right now, you're talking about the last episode is that
was on? Was you know that that that that that space for you zone
in and you relax. It's like, here's them and for me it's traveling
and it's in these games and so uh. But that that that that feeling
of being able to share that with someone that you care about and you want
to share it with, That, to me is what freedom is. So
somebody says, hey, I want to go to New York, you know,
and it's a one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars ticket. I'm like,
okay, let's go. Yes, That to me is what the freedom
is. All these years of my hard work has now put me in the
position where I'm able to do that. I'm able to go to Seattle for
the Bills game. I'm able to go to LA for the Chargers game.
I'll maybe able to go to Houston for the that game again, as long
as my kids don't have any other conflicts. Those are things I would like
to do and I'd like to share that with someone. Yeah, that's to
me as the freedom or again. You know, you guys have been at
the house for the Bills game, and it's just a matter of having people
together and celebrating the opportunity you have because it's fleeting. Things happen so quickly
in life. You got to enjoy it. Yeah, you're not You're not
kidding, Like everything does change in the blink of an eye, blink of
an eye. I mean, your mom has had some health issues this past
year, as mine did last year, and you know it's having here.
You know, tonight we're going to after we're done with this, I'm going
to go have positive with mom. Yeah, and that's something that you know,
you should really cherish, right as much as sometimes when y'all go,
uh, you know, I I'm talking to my sister today and I said
something about I called at eight thirty in the morning and she said to me,
I said, I just wanted to get ahead of everybody I'm sure you
got something going on this afternoon with Elias, and you're gonna be going.
She goes, we do, she said, matter of fact. I tried
to tell Mom to call, and Mom basically said, don't expect anything from
me before eleven am. And I'm like, wow, you can't just you
know what I'm saying, Like you're so set in your weight, like you
wouldn't you know what I mean, just in some way what you mean,
yes, it's and he had. At the same time, you go,
okay, you a way. They've earned it. I get it. But
you know, my sister's like, look, we're gonna be leaving by noon,
and my mother's like, yeah, I don't like it. And you
know they're trying to hold the gift, so the kid opens it while you're
on the phone kind of thing. They make a big deal whatever, uh
speaking, a big deal I did Kevin, who is not here, and
I feel a little bad. I don't know. I thought I kind of
made it clear when we were together Friday night. At four thirty today,
I don't know, but either way, my bad. He sent me.
It's probably my bad because when Kevin came and sat down, he sat to
our you were in the center. I was in the left, Kevin was
on the right. And there was a lot of activity, a lot of
energy around us. Yes, and I think that Kevin might have been drowned
out by all the energy that was around us. It was an active evening.
It was an activity big fans of Bill Moran. It was an Irish
family, was an Irish Irish family. It was big fans of the want
their own podcast. They want their own podcast. And I believe are related
to Kevin. Yes, they figured out our cousins with Kevin. Yes,
they figured out they related to Kevin. Wow, Kevin his grandmother is their
grandmother's sister. Yeah. The Dolans, Oh wow, yeah crazy. Yeah.
So it was a whole whole family was there. So I feel Kevin
got little. There's so much noise, I think and laughter that I think
Kevin might have missed a couple of communications. Yeah, that happens. That's
why you need a preseason game. Work on all the kids. When it
comes to going to the bar. Remind me of we remind me to tell
you about inexperience at the end of the night where I actually I thought about
it the next day ago. Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that to
somebody, but it was somebody who made headlines in the Greater Rochester area,
headlines like no, you were fine? Oh did you laughed? First of
all, he's a really good guy. He's a really good guy, you
know. Uh, And he's done a lot for the community. Sometimes you
make some bad decisions in your life and you don't mean to, but it
just happens, and then you have to be accountable. And he was and
he owned it. But you had a really smart well it was he he
actually when you said it, he finished it. He finished the comment.
Now I feel like that guy. I have to say. Guy say,
I don't say his name, but the circumstances, the circumstances was he ended
up. Yeah, he was driving on three wheels, well one tire and
no just on the rims. And I go, I just looked at him
and go, hey, man, you have to be a hell of a
driver. I don't care power steering or not. That's the driver. If
you can get off, that's the type of guy. He come to a
road. That's impressive. That's the type of guy. Watch. I didn't
even know what I couldn't I like And then I'm like that. I'll tell
you what I'm like, sweating things. I don't know who this imaginary person
is, but i'll tell you whenever they do imaginarily, they probably the best
at it. They can do that. That's the guy I want to do.
Whatever that is that he did. He's good guy's got big heart,
you know. But yeah, it was funny and he was He laughed about
it. He actually finished the story before you said it. And which which
again, which that's just the testament is his good nature and it's good personality.
He's a good family man. So here is what's funny. Coleman.
Kevin sent me the audio of Coleman and this is him, and just to
show you the personality, you're gonna love this, love love this kid man.
You forgot what is goo in Michigan for two years. I guess why
I got this wrong? Though, I'm saying you got a guess you're gonna
be wrong. But guess be wrong? Nas, What do you mean?
They be on sail on the rack, all the colors look seventy nine eighty
nine. Nice little deal. You can get the trench code for like one
hundred dollars. I take it up personally. I might go get some more
colors. I need a blue one a and another red one. See,
I ain't. I ain't know nothing about Thanksgiving. Shopped by my mom.
I get my coltes in the summertime. You got to shop a season or
two before, just in case, you know, and they be cheaper because
you're going Thanksgiving everybody and Thanksgiving you know what he is gonna be fantastically Yes,
he just like that. But that looseness, that looseness, to me,
speaks volumes about your confidence in yourself and everything. I think it just
does well, it's genuine right, Yes, And the cookie stuff was hilarious
too, Yes, all for the cookies. I was wondering if that was
Genna Kachrall, who would have asked him about Was it her who said the
Thanksgiving? I don't know about that. I talked about the cookies. I
thought she asked about the cookies. I don't know. I didn't. I
only caught this little piece. But that was thanks to Kevin. Now with
the draft there was you had talked about Greg ad Mitchell and I don't know
how to pronounce his first name. Was it yeah at night Mitchell? What
was the story with him? There was because you said, I was kind
of hoping he would fall even a little bit further. I thought you said
that to me when we were looking at the draft at one point. Wasn't
there some like just some questionable I don't know, character stuff or something.
Yeah, I mean there there was. My recollection was that there was some
issues that he had either on campus or or at a social event. But
you know, again, one of the things I trust in being right,
and they knew the receiver that he wanted to get and go get now.
Dan and I talked about this a little bit earlier in the day, is
like, you know, they don't have like that splash receiver right now,
right, they don't really have that guy. So it's like, okay,
what the what are the bills going to do? Now? Right? You've
got you've got two proven receivers. You know, you've got well three if
you consider Knox, you got Knox, Kincaid, and oh my god,
the rookie is not. Why am I drawing a blank? Well, if
Knox and Cacaid, then you have as far as you're well, talk about
the young guy. He's a second year now, oh my godah So,
and then you bring the rookies in which is you know you got yeah coom,
He's got to prove himself. So what I think is going to happen
is that the tredevious white money, uh, after June first, they get
about I think they get fifteen million dollars off of his salary cap hit for
this year after June first, because that's when the transaction, actually the trade
actually happens. I think what that sets up for is a trade is that
you got the forty nine ers that are shopping Samuels around as well as Auk,
and you've got the Bengals shopping t Higgins around, and you know,
you got an extra fifteen million that can absorb what those contracts are. And
then what you do is you then give them we got Bean did such a
phenomenal job of stockpiling draft picks for next year. It's unbelievable what he's got.
And then you give him a couple of fifth rounders, or you throw
him a fourth or a fifth, then a seventh or something. You give
him two extra picks there, and then that deal happens, and all of
a sudden, you go from not having a veteran proven receiver to having one
of the top ten receivers in the league, and again with Josh's talent and
the way that break that they Brady called the offense last year, It's not
a one person offense. It's not one guy running the ball, one guy
catching the ball. It's a team effort and the defenses have a tough time
covering that. So you don't need like that, that that number one guy
to make every catch. You just got to have somebody that can make that
catch in traffic when you need it, and I think those guys can come
in and do that. So you know, again it's people were so critical
of being because of that move with Worthy in Kansas City, then Carolina masterful
in my opinion, absotly masterful. At least I had no issues with it
when it happened. I know people would immediately go to the Patrick Mahomes car
to yah, can everybody just take a deep breath here? What we're doing
to our well, we're giving our enemy, our biggest enemy, our thirteen
second enemy. Right. Where's the thing though, if people look back during
the regular season, that Bills actually have gone to Kansas City and beaten them
twice now last few years, and when Kansas City's beating the Bills. It's
not that Kansas City beat the Bills. Is that the Bills beat themselves?
Yeah, okay, so the Xavier Worthy is irrelevant to that. If Xavier
Worthy beat you, then he'd be okay. But you have to have the
confidence in the balls part of my language to do what Brandon be did y'all
trade with you? Yeah? Yeah, okay. It's gonna make us bet.
We don't care. The thing about the Bills mafia and I love the
Bills. I mean, I'm like, I'm one of them. Is that
the Chiefs we're gonna get worthy anyways, but being ended up getting something that's
gonna benefit us. I mean, we end up getting a defensive tackle.
It's got great work ethic. He was a three year captain I mean at
Duke, So Duke's not like a huge powerhouse football to see school, though
I've gotten a lot better. This kid is an animal, and he's smart
and he's a hard worker. I mean, that's exactly the guy that they
love and that we in Western New York love, so you know, you
know, and by the way, the Chiefs have you know, the common
theme for the Chiefs is Chris Jones on off on defense, Patrick mahomes on
on offense. Right, we got Josh on offense. We don't necessarily have
that guy yet. On defense, Ed Oliver stepped up last year, did
well, you know, von Miller would have bet that guy, but he's
not, you know, And we get Solomon. We get the edge rusher
Solomon, who's got so much upside. The kid said he cried when he
got picked by the Bills because he wants to he wants to be in the
same ring. Isn't this the great thing? Like I feel like for so
many years with the Bills, your heart sank when you kind of got picked
by the Bills. I think, yeah, And now that's the place you
want to go. You want if you're a receiver, you know you're gonna
have a quarterback who can get you the ball. Yeah. And I think
even defensively, and once this new stadium comes, it's going to be even
that much sweeter. Uh. Chris Ballard is the general manager of the Indianapolis
Cults. Uh. They did take a d Mitchell and somebody asked about the
character concerns with Adie Mitchell. I'll play his response and then we can kind
of discuss it. Here is Chris Ballard. I don't know. I mean
I've read some of the bullshit set on tea. I mean, just a
typical fucking off, excuse my language, our typical league, unnamed sources,
you know, bad interview. That's such bullshit me, it fucking is.
It's bullshit, like put your name, like, put your name on it.
I'm tired of we tear these young men down. These are twenty one,
twenty two young men. And if you if people out there can tell
me, they don't they're perfect in their lives. It's crap. It's crap.
This is a good kid, and you know, for for that,
for those reports to come out, thank you know my I said it last
year. It's it's bullshit. I'm sorry. I apologize for the language.
I don't but I do. I don't buy deal now. I watched the
Johnny Manziel documentary over the weekend or where is that? Where is that?
I've seen that. Yeah, And it's an interesting thing because it goes back
to character investing all this this guy and I agree with him. It's a
twenty one, twenty two year old kid, a mistake, somebody who stepped
that line. I like, I have I have sons that way, there's
been trouble. I mean of that age that there's been trouble. I get
it, but you don't want you don't want to be throwing money out of
Johnny Manziel, who in the documentary says at one point he got them.
He just figured fuck it, I'm just going to party right to the end,
and he bought a gun he intended to kill himself with. He was
just gonna go through all the eight million dollars. And I mean, he
was the guy he beat Alabama. He did stuff no one thought could happen.
So the so the the character issues on Mitchell I was confusing with the
guy in Texas. The other guy in Texas that got the d wy okay
was that he came across as arrogant and disinterested. So he was in,
he was in with some of the teams, he didn't participate fully and and
some of the you know, they have the individual workouts and they had the
combine and he was just like, you know, he didn't display when you're
gonna invest in that kind of you want that character that you're gonna give everything
you're in it, You're gonna give it all. You're gonna give it your
all and you're not gonna quit until you freaking succeed and you win. He
didn't on the reports that I remember that I was just looking over, is
that he didn't necessarily exude that like Coleman. Right, Yes, exact obvious.
Right. Coleman was like, I'm all in, man, I'm here,
I'm gonna do whatever it takes. You know, I'm gonna I'm saving
seventy I'm spending seven nine dollars rather than going and spending three hundred, right,
And so he didn't quite exhibit that, which is why although he had
the talent, he you know, could you be nervous? I mean almost
to the point of the GM. I mean not everybody's gonna have a big
personality like that. But I don't know this kid from anything. I didn't
know. The thing is is that when you look at the draft and you
look at people, you take a risk on. I mean, we talked
about Ryan Leaf last week about this, right. Ryan Leaf was just like
that. He was He had an arrogance, he had a cockiness, he
was disinterested. He was like, I am who I am. I'm good
and my talent is going to show through. Well, in the NFL,
it's not just about talent. It's about work. Because there's a lot of
talented people in this country that play football that want to get to that level.
But you know, you see these guys in the fifth and sixth round,
or these guys that are undrafted that end up being huge stars. Why
because they had the Is there talent better than the other guy that was at
Alabama? No, but they worked harder at it, and they they got
their craft and and they utilize their talent to the to the optimize it.
And this guy, you know, there's a question you're gonna if you're draft
something in the first round, there's guarant I mean the contracts in the NFL.
If you're in the first round, it's by position, it's by draft
status, and you get a certain contract, and that's what it is.
It's pre negotiated. The NFL already has that that in the Players Union have
it a set up. If you're a quarterback, number one, this is
your range. You're an offensive tackle, you're at number four, this is
your range. Same thing with defense, and so you're going to draft the
guy as a receiver, which is one of the higher paid numbers. I
mean It's like, are you even want to pay that at a rookie contract
and this guy's unproven. And by the way, it's a four year contract
with a fifth year option. If you're in the first you're you're locked in.
You can't you can't come in and be like, ah, this guy
sucks, he's not what I thought. Cut him and then you then you
don't have to take his salary cap pit. You still got that right.
The only thing you could do is decide in this third year we're not going
to go for a fifth year option. That's so that was kind of my
point with this is a character does play a big piece. You are investing
in this, and so I understand what Ballard's saying. You know, these
are twenty one, twenty two year old guys, But at the same time,
it's it's a different it's a it's a business. It's a business.
Look Bill, you know, we hire attorneys, we hire staff, We
do the same thing. We go to Facebook, we go to Instagram,
we go to TikTok. We want to know what they're doing because if they're
doing things that aren't reflective of what values we have, I mean, are
we do we want them to come in that can sully the reputation of something
that Tom and I and Chris and Alex and the rest of the partners and
Mike have worked hard for in Rochester. No, we don't want to bring
that person in to do that. So it's you know, it goes through.
I don't care if you're a staff member or you're a doctor or an
attorney or an account Look, man, character is an important thing. And
social media, I mean I can say this, I am glad and blessed
did not exist when I was at Alford University. Yeah, I agree,
absolutely, blest absolutely, I'll say this to the whole Ballard thing. Ballard's
a good GM. He really is. He's a lot better than its predecessor.
The thing about this is that do you remember the whole who is mel
Kuiper's speech? So that was Bill Tobin. Bill Pollian replaced Bill Tobin,
drafted Peyton Manning and the Colts became stars. But before that, the Colts
were in the doldrums every year, right like the Patriots and the Jets every
year. And Bill Tobin drafted a guy named Trev Alberts instead of Trent Dilferd.
Trev Alberts ended up Crapp with the bed Trent Dilferd went out and won
a Super Bowl, And so a lot of people like when after, including
mel Kuiper, mel Kuiper and Bill Toby goes who is mel Kuiper? And
that speech was being played over and over again they played every year at the
draft. Well, Bill Tobin recently died, so here comes baler a colts
gm kind of give it a similar speech in a way. And I thought
that was just kind of funny because Bill Tobin had just passed away. But
it brought up the memories of when he said that who is mel Kiper?
You know? Because but the point is that all these guys, they really
have nothing to lose, no skin in the game. Yeah, they project
the draft and then they can they're allowed to be wrong ten and it's okay,
Well these guys this is their life, man, Yeah, and you
don't get to that level by being an idiot. I mean, what's his
name from Canadagua, Ryan Paul's of the Bears, right. He put it
all on Caleb Williams, who then I think either tweeted or texted the punter
They took out of orders from Iowa. I think, so is this azzy
kid. He flips the field, he does all this. He's like,
this year's a big punter. There's one. Hey, hey, you're not
gonna you're not going to punch too much here. I kind of liked.
But I go, they drafted a Doonesay too, So that's gonna be a
fun combination to watch those two protege. That's gonna be a lot. Chicago's
never had a quarterback since Sid Luckman, so this is gonna be really fun
to watch. I think Polls, I think, first of all, I
mean I'm biased, but I thought being did the best job in terms of
the draft, in terms of managing the draft as he did to maximize what
the Bills had. But I thought Polls, I thought he really did a
great job. He sets them up really well and their off season moves.
You know, they got Kegan Allen from the Chargers. I mean they got
two top receivers for a kid. He's coming in now, you know.
I loved Bill Belichick's assessment on Kayleb Williams. I loved what he said.
See he was he picked out the weaknesses. He went back and forth,
and I think he was on with Pat McAfee. Yeah, he really did
a nice job. Well yeah, well he talked about Drake may too,
because the Patriots draft. What does Belichick think about Yeah, Patriots did and
he was complimentary, but he also pointed out its flaws like he would anybody.
But did you see the point where, like where I think it was
it was day two where it was kind of a lower Maybe it was day
three where Belichick and McAfee took every behind the scenes and they put together field
Yates, who's another ESPN reporter, his draft board, and Belichick laid out
how the draft board works, and it was really interesting. He's got on
the left column all the teams needs, every single one of them, so
you know, hey, they could jump us here if we need a receiver.
So that's what they're right, right, And then and then he's got
it all spread out like in terms of like here's a round one projection,
round two projection, round three projection, and here's how good we think they
really are. And there's a lot If there's a lot of space between a
player, you know that the third best receiver maybe not be as close as
the first thing. And it was really interesting the way they put it together.
How much thought goes into a draft board because it's complicated, it's not
easy. Yeah, I think Kaylor Williams could be another Ryan Leath. I
do too, I I really do. And I hope for Pats his nails.
No, no, there's I'm just I'm just joking. I mean I
have an issue. I I this is revealing too much. But people that
have that much confidence in themselves and haven't been performed yet, I think is
troubling. Tom Brady was never like that. He's won more Super Bowls than
any other quarterback in the NFL. He still is not like that. That
kid is getting more arrogance and more confidence with Tom Brady and tom Brady's the
talk about wanting ownership in the team. Didn't that was the show back.
That's a pretty big bulls, is it not? And you're gonna go to
the Hallis Valley? Well, because good luck, because he was the first
uh since that Andrew Luck actually since uh Trebor Lawrence, the first guy to
pretty projected like two years out is being the top pick in the draft when
he's the first nil guy. Yes, he was the first multi million millionaire
nil guy. When it came out, he was that guy Now people like
to say his teammates love him, but his team. But Ryan Leaf's teammates
also love Ryan Leaf too, but they're the knock on Capabilliams was he paints
his fingernails and he cries on his mother's shoulder in public, and it's like
it's like stuff like that, People like, I don't want that guy leading
my team. But people just everyone's got a podcast, so everybody talks.
I have something to say, so but then when you get the guy in
the locker room, Oh he's cool, bro, this is what I say
about that. Uh, if you're born after nineteen eighty five, most people
do those things. Now, Yes, I mean you're you're if you're born
before nineteen eighty five. You were taught that men are strong, you don't
show emotion. You you're you're a provider, you're a protector, and this
is what you do, and you solve problems. That's what we do.
Yes, that's what we were taught and that's who we are. After nineteen
eighty five, there's a complete demarcation of people that are, you know,
more thoughtful, they're more kind, they're more considerate, they're you know,
all these other things that are wonderful attributes, and I strive to be more
like that. That's the way he is. Paint yournaws. I don't care.
Yeah, I don't either. As you can freaking put the ball renew
solid, you can make that sal I don't give a shit. Just win
a Super Bowl, just win a game. That's always cares. I mean,
josh Anla's not that guy. But you know, I mean josh is
and josh is the guy everybody loves because he is always thinking about everyone other
than himself, right, and you gotta love that, you know. And
he is that guy, and he he is actually, to me, the
hybrid between the pre nineteen eighty five guy and the post nineteen eighty five guy.
And his parents are very that's an upbringing, you know. His dad
is pre nineteen eighty five, yeah, and he's post nineteen. Yeah.
They're very Midwestern for being a Californa Forornes. Yeah, they're very Midwest n
Potato farmers. Yeah. I mean, like, he played three sports in
school and he and he worked in the summer, and so he's not he's
not your prototypical Okay, I'm going to quarterback camp at a J eight and
I'm gonna be groomed to be a quarterback. And I think the reason why
I've got this issue with Kate with Williams is because Josh is the kind of
guy I can I can get behind. He's the guy I want to be
the leader. If I'm in a fox hole, I want Josh Allen next
to me. I don't want Williams because Williams are gonna come behind me and
how many a shot for He's gonna be a shot. Josh is gonna jump
in front of you because that's the way he is, just like I would
think I would do the same thing. And uh again, I think Poles
did what he had to do. But you know, yeah, it's a
blessing in the curse. I have the first overall pick. It really is,
because there's expectations. Dr Ways. I'll say this, though a lot
of people gave Ryan Collin Coward gave Ryan Pulls a lot of crappy year ago
for doing the experiment with Justin Fields, I said, no, it's the
perfect idea. You kidding me? So now you get a year to one
more year to evaluate another GMS guy, Well, you could ditch if you
know, if he's not good, if you're a hero. Now, all
of a sudden, you have the top pick. You could you could pull
a herschel Walker trade if you want to, but he wasn't the guy field.
So now you have the first overall pick. I guess who's there a
generational talent? And if you screwed up, who's gonna blame you for picking
in a generation? He couldn't. He can't lose with this. He can't
lose. Yeah, yeah, you can't. But the same time, he'll
get another shot as a GM if this fails, because you know he played
his cards right. This is the one thing about you know, Pulls and
you know the fact he's actually he's a Rochesterian just makes it so much more
interesting. Peter played for his father and compelling, really Peter. Yeah,
and uh. And the thing I love about it is that Williams was the
consensus number one pick. It wasn't like it was controversial, right. I
mean, when you think about Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning in nineteen eighty eight
or eighty nine whatever, they went back and forth, there was actually some
controversy because of of of between the two of them, there was no controversy.
There was no even though there was even though the number two pick was
also a quarterback and a highest Trophy winner. There was no controversy that there
really wasn't. No, it was Calli Williams. All the experts said he
was the number one guy, and he and he gone. If he had
not one with Williams, I think it would have been a huge controversyal I
think it would have been Yeah, his whole, his whole. If they
didn't win five of the first six games, we probably gotten fired. Right.
Remember the one year and I don't want to go off track when Reggie
Bush was supposed to be the projected number one by everyone and Charlie Castle is
the GM just got his Heisman trophy back. Yeah, yeah, he did.
Charlie castle is the GM who he helped build a Super Bowl champion with
Washington. He goes and says, do I'm taking Mario Williams? Are you
crazy? Are you not? Well? Mario Williams ended up being right,
and Reggie Bush was. He had a nice career, Yeah, but he
wasn't the SIPs true. By the way, Greg, you had more yardage
return than he did. That's the big joke. I had more yardage than
Reggie Bush because he actually like was minus one yards or something in returns,
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I'm more of a rock guy. Yeah, no, I understand. I
always there's a lot of great rock coming out lately. I got to go
find like I have to once in a while, find out what's going on
in the pop world. Yeah, it's everywhere. It kind of gives me
the pulse of what the well, you know, totally what the younger society
is doing. I kind of dig it when I did like this, when
I go back and announced Games of Fisher, I have to ask the kids
upstairs and go, okay, so who's cool now? Is Kanye Is he's
still cool now? Jack Garlow did the remake of White Man Can't Jump?
Yeah on either Netflix or something? What was it Netflix? I think so?
Yeah, I don't remember the thing. Uh. Sandra Dorley has been
the District Attorney and has been in the District Attorney's office for decades. Yes,
I think she became the first female district attorney in twenty twelve, and
then switch parties in twenty fifteen and then got re elected and has held the
position ever since. Yeah. I was one because I thought she was a
Democrat. Then she became a Republican. She did. Yeah, she church
parties, which isn't uncommon. I think Mike Green had been a Republican and
switched to be a Democrat and when he became DA And I don't know.
Sometimes it happens in pockets. When you live in a county as predominantly Democrat,
you want to send into a political privation, you know. And again,
the parties, as ridiculous as it may sound, are so close when
you come into it and you think about it, it's a matter of you
know, what do you want to do, how do you want to achieve
your goal? So, yeah, and she she was I believe she was
Mike Green's kind of right hand persons. She was well during his time there
too. So she last Monday, the twenty seconds she's driving home, It's
about five thirty six o'clock in the evening. She's on Phillips Road. She's
doing fifty five into thirty five. She gets lit up and continues to drive
to her house and then gets out of her car. And at first I
think this was there was not a lot being done. I know that people
pull him back up. By lit up, you mean the lights lights.
Oh, it's like some people might interpret that as something else. Okay,
she got lit up the lights because she was doing fifty five and she was
twenty miles over to the speed right, So I think at first she said
it's a speeding ticket. I paid it already, it's no big deal.
And people kept pushing. And then the body camp footage came out and it
doesn't look good. So it's twenty minutes. And I watched it on YouTube
on my fifty inch screen at home, and I layed on the couch and
I watched it. I went, wait a second, these cop camps are
an HD. Now, bro is amazing. No. I know Santon normally.
I've known her. I met her, spent some time with her.
She's a lovely lady, works very hard, and there's a lot of ugly,
ugly, ugly cases for Monroe County Fair. She yeah, I mean,
actually, I mean I no, Sandra. She she's a great public
servant. She truly is I mean, I give her a tremendous amount of
credit because she could be doing a lot of other things and making a lot
more money than she's doing. So I got a lot of people asking me,
you know, to I can't wait to hear this discust on the podcast,
so I didn't want to pull the full twenty minute thing, and a
lot of it. I even sped through because it's the cops sitting in his
car, but he winds up calling for a supervisor. She's on the phone
with his chief when he pulls in her driveway. It gets ugly. I'll
play you the three minutes on TMZ. We can pause at any time,
but you'll hear this. She has pulled into her driveway. Her car is
now in her garage. The garage door is open. Sorry, I'm the
da I was going fifty five coming home from her fifty five thirty five.
I don't really can hear her? Okay, so you can? Can?
You? Can you please come over here? You're this is on a traffic
stop, man, Yes it is. You can call Tennis Colemyer right now.
Okay, I'm telling you why I stopped you. You didn't stop at
all? Did you not hear my lights or sirens or actually I was on
the phone. Okay, well you're not supposed to be on the phone while
you're driving either. Yes, I am with a hands free absolutely. Okay.
Why are you so upset at me? I'm doing my job. You
you just admitted to me that you were going fifty five and a thirty five.
I'm Philip Trope. Okay, the right of the ticket. It's sir,
Chris. Can you stay over here? Ma'am? You're this is a
traffic this is a this is a legal traffic stop. Do you have your
ID? No, it's my purse here? You have your purse right there?
No, this is my lunch. Would you talk to your talk to
Dennis. It's ridiculous. So what hello, sir? Good ma'am. Can
you please stay at the back. This is, ma'am, this is legal
traffic stop. Can you please stay over here? No? Hey, baby,
could you dog? I stopped her for going fifty five and a thirty
five? I'm Philip trop and she failed to stop. She drove all the
way back home and parked in drove and now she's not she's not complying with
any of my commands. Man, do not go inside. Yep, she
had a bad day, yep. Yeah, oh yeah, all right,
ma'am, come outside. You can't just go inside. This is a traffic
stop. Here's your phone back. I understand the law better than you.
Nine five three. Can you have a supervisor come to the scene. No,
get out of my house? Oh all right, all right. So
it goes from there right now. I wanted to get to that point just
to play. Oh so now the Rochester City Council wants the district attorney investigated
by Attorney General Letitia James. And they've all signed a letter. Now I
believe they're all Democrats, but I don't know that that they are. I
believe they are in city council. So my first thing on this, Greg
was, I don't. People are calling for a resignation. We can't have
this. This would be an arrestable offense for a citizen who would try to
get in their own driveway. And I don't. It's a traffic stop.
Yeah wait, if you didn't pull over and comply, if she didn't know,
if there's no intent, it's it's a traffic stop as it traffic's up
until until there isn't until and again Steve circu can answer this much better than
I. But unless there's some intent to defy or to evade, then it
becomes it then escalates to evading, which is more which is an arrestible offense
as opposed to a traffic stop. Now she and she said, I was
on the phone. It is not illegal to be on the phone. No,
it's not. It is not so in a and and for me,
and I hate to say this is that when you when you're dealing with certain
individuals or or have certain temperaments, and they project things that aren't really accurate,
and you've had a bad day, you become defiant. I mean,
her personality in that respect was somebody who was aggravated and defiant. Yeah,
well look I took this as somebody she talks in there it goes. The
whole body cam footage is available. You can watch it. I watched it
on YouTube. It's about twenty six minutes long. And she just like anybody
in anger, you give yourself twenty minutes and the adrenaline drops and you start
to go all right. And I think she apologizes. She says, sure
she wants it back, she'll pay she she's already paid the fine. She
says, I'm the one who's gonna prosecute this anyway, or you know,
whatever you do to it, she said, And she said, I've had
several murder cases today. That's what I've been handling. Again, A bad
day, I gotcha, So I chalk it up to a bad day.
I don't like to see somebody who has knows the inner workings of the DA's
office as well she has for as many years as she had. I don't
think we just kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't.
However, as you think about this, you go, this is all
anybody's gonna remember. And the citizens all want our higher ups to act as
though we the way we would act. And I think many people feel like
if they tried to do this, we think we act well, yeah,
or the way we think right, the way we think we would act good.
Because probably go ahead, Dan, four to five people who say that
would reacted the same way. She yes, I guarantee that's what I was.
Just what I was gonna carry is that most people dealing with my clients,
our clients, the likelihood of people would be responsive in a traffic stop
the way she She responded, you know it's like, look, give me,
I've had a long freaking day. Give me my goddamn ticket, or
why'd you pull me over? Cut me a break? And if if,
if the if the police officer comes up and is not as you know,
it has a little bit of a you know, I don't want to say
attitude, because he seemed more uh. He's saying. She said to him.
At one point, you can run my plates and se who I was.
He goes, I didn't run your plates. He said, I had
no idea. He said, I just had somebody who wasn't pulling over,
so I decided to keep following you until I could get to you. I
didn't understand what was happening. And she goes, well, I'm on the
phone with your boss, going why is this guy pulling me over? And
she in there she admits I was doing fifty five and then she says,
I thought you were going after somebody else. There were a lot of cars
on the road. She sort of contradicts hers. These are all the things
that I think citizens are going to see. And I'll ask you and I'm
so glad you're here, be having courtroom experience and having done things with juries
in the past as somebody who's going to be represented by her, and let's
say she's the prosecution. Usually in a case, would anybody on the can
you find an unbiased jury? Can you find a jury that doesn't look at
her and go, well, this is somebody who thinks they're above the law.
And is that something that would almost in a way be detrimental to her
being able to do the job as well, just in terms of public opinion.
And it's everywhere now, I mean it's this audio I got off TMZ
on the New York Post's I personally don't think that this compromises her ability to
do her job, right, Okay, not in terms of like even the
jury looking at it. No, yeah, well, I mean for her
to get a fair jury. I think that I think her job, her
role period, even if she didn't say the thing she said, she could
never get a fair jury, Okay, just because she's the DA. I
mean, it's just you know, and and again to me, I mean,
this is not I don't know who's criminal offense. This is not a
criminal sense criminal offense. This is a traffic stop on a Monday evening,
now after you know, a long weekend, after dealing with, you know,
the stress and all the stuff that she has to deal with. I
mean, again, do I knowing Sandra as I know her and knowing her
personality, is she had that's a bad day. That is what I did.
I thought it was a bad day. And then I just want to
I'm going to read something that was sent to me because I mean, I've
seen her in so many other circumstances where which are not always complimentary or lack
of stress or lack of issues, and she's always got a very calm,
controlled perspective and demure. So you know, there's a lot of influences on
what can change your personality in terms of like a day like that, dealing
with what she has to deal with. And then someone who and you know,
she probably again the tone of the officer's voice. I've been pulled over
once or twice, you know, and when I've had a police officer that
has the tone of voice that he has, I probably get defensive as well.
Yeah he's and he's I don't say, trying to who I am.
I've never said that. He did, never say that she did that.
They get the now all of a sudden, the Dame superiors come out.
One guy's in the garage and he's kind of going, Santra, you got
it. You should have just pulled over. You know, you know better.
Don't tell me you don't know better. You know, like, there's
not a lot you can do. But I want to read this. This
is from Lynn Mazuerkowitz. Officer Mazerkowitz was killed in the city Okay, And
she said, if you have heard, if you have never heard of Sandra
Doorley before, now consider yourself lucky. It probably means that your family has
never endured the agony of a murder trial. But for those of us who
have, we know that this woman walks through hell every day to ensure that
the victims see justice. Yes, she fought for our family, and I
will forever admire and respect her. I am grateful for her care and love
during our trial and would pick her every single time. Until you have seen
the worst of the worst every single day like she has, don't be so
quick to judge. She had a bad day. She's human. This was
not her shining moment. Judge her not for thirty minutes of her life,
but for all the good she has done. But I am one person that
you will not see rejoicing in her downfall. I felt terrible for her,
and not only because I kind of know her and my immediate thing was bad
day. But you cringe when you hear get the ringe a little bit because
you go, come on, I know you're better than this. And yet
at the same time, I've never I've never had to deal with a murder
case. I've never had to deal with several Look, you know, look
I am no saying and I don't deal with murder cases. You know,
there's a lot of people. But you know, I mean, like I
think of this similar to what I have, what we deal with in my
office, is that you have clients that are more difficult than others. And
when you get off the phone with a couple of clients in a row that
are just difficult, right, They're they're cantankerous, they're miserable, they don't
listen you. You do everything you can to explain, to answer their questions,
and they just don't get it. And they don't get it not because
they don't get it, it's because they don't want to hear it. They
don't want to hear what the real the reality of things is. And then
you just get frustrated and that temper just kind of then it builds and you
have a number of them and you don't have a breath to take, and
then you don't act, you don't make good decisions. And when I think
of what I heard in that, it's if she didn't have a confluence of
circumstances, as I'm sure she had that day, she would have handled it
very differently. I agree, and I know that I felt like maybe I
was going to be in the minority, honestly, not necessarily with you being
here. But I think for most people because I saw some of the stuff
on social media. Yes, I saw the comments, and I did see
the behavior. I saw it, and I know how people. You know,
we want those who are elected officials to be better than that and to
not be like us necessarily, yeat. At the same time, I want
a president I can have a beer with. No, you don't No,
you really don't know. So that was my thing. And as I looked
at it, go, boy, this is a bad day and not a
good moment. And if it were ten years ago, we don't see it.
We don't see it. And what she said is I paid the ticket
and it's over. There's that, then it's just rumor. But now,
unfortunately we have proof and you can go back and you can watch it over
and over and over and pull apart everything you want. I think in the
era of cancel culture with social media, because I saw some of the media
tweets about this stuff, and yes, it was hard, it was hard
to watch. I get it, it was rough. I only pulled the
TMZ thing just because that's condensed, condensed in National National, I mean it's
everywhere, right, So you've got to because the beauty of social media is
that everybody has a voice. But the curse of social media is that everybody
has a voice, right. And because everybody has a voice, nowadays we're
all self righteous experts and because of cancel culture, and because somebody does something
that we disagree with, we immediately target them as an enemy. And I'm
telling you choose your enemies wisely, okay, because they're not your enemy.
They made a mistake. So we want perfection and I'm sick of it.
Well, I want somebody who's got some experience in there. I don't like
the cancel culture period, right, And I also if the idea is to
make society better, right, then give the person an opportunity to say I
was wrong. So the other thing about the DA is that one of the
things that Sandra has done is that most das are administrative rules. She actually
practices law and actually prosecutes them. And because she has that compassion for the
family, she wants to be that person for them. That is not the
norm, that's not the way. Interesting. I didn't know that, Oh
yeah, I didn't know that very rarely in fact. And Howard Reland,
who was a tremendous district attorney, I don't know how many murder trials he
did. I mean, there are people who are in the legal community that
could tell you, probably off the top of their head, but my recollection
when I saw it on the TV was probably less than five. In his
twenty plus year career, he was still a great public servant. He did
phenomenal things in the DA's office. But he was an administrator because that's usually
what the role is. Not only is she an administrator because that is part
of the responsibility, but she actually gets in to help victims. So passionate
about that, right, And I'll tell you what you know, going back
to our points, it comes down to this Heaven forbid this woman loses her
job and the governor appoints somebody. If you're in favor of that of her
losing her job, Rochester, I don't want to be your neighbor, because
she's protected this community in this county for so freaking long. And before that,
of course, you had two great DA's before her, and they've passed
the torch and she's done an admirable job. She's beaten cancer in the process
of doing it too. And if you want to use this as just one
one incident we've heard about with this woman, it just happens to be on
national television. Your worst day, if that's her worst day compared to some
of the other politicians in this era, guess what, go ahead, day,
Greg, All this shit we're gonna focus on. It needs to be
fixed. We're going to go after her for this. Is it a good
look? No, No, you can never see that. I think she
would admit that. I think she does. If you watch it, she
says, you know, she goes, she does say I'm sorry. She
does say to the officer, we got we gotta stop canceling people, because
guess what we're gonna end up. We're all gonna be canceled. Yeah,
I mean just interesting that it's making it went beyond, it went beyond our
local media when well, first of all, when you have the title that
she has screwiny that you're under, Yes, it's come on. And you
know, you know, I recently went you know, social media. I
confessed recently, I've had some significant anxieties about social media and about doing certain
things on social media or posting things or like sharing certain things. And one
of the reasons is because of stuff like this, right, well, things
don't work out, the things don't work out, and people missing people,
and then they bash you, and then all of a sudden they call in
the question character and decision making and all these other things, and you're like,
I'm just trying to be me. I'm just trying to be a sincere,
genuine person. But I checked myself because of the consequences that if I
do it and it's not right and it offends someone, or if it doesn't
work, all of a sudden, I'm gonna get all this backlash. And
I don't want it for me, I don't want it for my family.
I don't want to for the other person. And this Shandrick. She couldn't
control the mess this. She couldn't, but she couldn't, And I wonder,
but the power of this is what for me? When you have someone
like her, or you or me or even Dan, it's like it can
catch a tsunami of oh yeah, misinterpretation, which can then just destroy something
you built and worked on your entire life. Yeah, oh yeah, I
know what it's like. I've had it happened to me yea on social media
because there's something I tweeted that was totally taken out of context, and all
of a sudden, I got people at ESBN like calling for my head.
See here this Santa Door really didn't go on social media and say she got
a speeding ticket. Came out that she got a speeding ticket. Someone then
investigate, I'm sure someone foiled for Coursey cam footage, and then we get
to see Sandra at her worse. So that's where all our attention is.
Tell me, any day, you know what that is. That's your wife
getting pissed off, getting out of the You know what I'm saying. I
don't mean, I don't mean to minimize or point fingers, but it's anybody
any like let's say you said the wrong thing, or any one of us,
or making a husband getting out after a bad day. How many times
when I was married and walking and I don't even give a fuck, I
don't care. Yeah, so now I get a ticket on top of that.
Oh yeah, that's that's a good day. That's a good day.
So that was my first takeaway, my second one, and that's why I
was glad you would here, was ken does this hurt her in performing her
job? But maybe she doesn't go in the courtroom for a little while.
I don't know if she can be more of an administrator. Who knows?
I mean, I don't think in it. I don't think it impairs her
ability to foul the law into prosecute a case based upon the evidence. I
just wonder, you know, how people are. I sometimes think we have
more mouth breathers than thinkers. Definitely, definitely, I really do. I
in fact, the part of me makes what she it makes her more human.
You know. One of the things about performing the job she performs is
that you become I don't want to say immune, but you don't feel certain
things because you see it so much, and and and you create barriers because
feeling in the pain and the anguish of the victims' families. I mean,
that's a heavy burden. That's both their lowest moments, like the worst moments,
right, that's when you're that's when you're there, you're called into help.
And as ask which said, if you don't know who she is and
you've never had to deal with her in her legal capacity, it count yourself
lucky. Well, you know, and I think for her, you know,
when you think about the victims and their families in that torment and that
angue, I mean, I'm sure Sandra's feeling that anguish and torment of her
own because of the circumstances. I'm sure, and and having that and understanding
that and making it real and having that compassion, but also having the passion
to make sure that you're accountable. Look, I have no doubt she's taken
full accountability for her actions. She didn't commit a crime, no, no,
no, she took her responsibility. She was accountable for what she did
and she's moving on now. Had she then, where I would have had
an issue is if she would have contested it, and she would have argued
it that I would have said, look, now you're trying to pull your
weight. She she did. She said I was doing that. I was,
and the guy right, So she's holding herself accountable. I mean,
in terms of public servants, the thing that drives me batshit crazy is that
we have politicians that lie, that don't take accountability. And some of them
are are in extremely powerful positions, but they don't have that self awareness.
They don't have that community consciousness of taking accountability for themselves. She did that,
now was it? Was it done in a manner that makes you cringe?
Perhaps, But again, everybody has a bad day already has some bad
mind. I think we have to call it right there, because it's not
like she was drinking and belligerent and she was frustrated. She's admitted it more
than once. She was speeding. I got it, you know. And
so to me, it's I hate to see her resign, but there will
be now, I'm sure, I don't know if there will be or not.
That's not fair. They wrote a letter asking for an investigation, investigation
into what you just have going. It's twenty six minutes. Where's the investigation
into what? Is this a pattern of behavior? I don't think so.
I don't think so. Okay, they're gonna investigate and they're going to report
exactly which is showing and what we heard. So are they going to recommend
consequences? That's not their role. I don't know their role. The role
ltimately going to ag be the one to hand down consequences if there were any
like would there be a suspension for I don't know, I don't I don't
know. I don't know if there is a code of conduct or responsibility for
DA's that are different from attorneys. I know this as an attorney. If
that happened to me, Yeah, my license isn't a jeopardy. I didn't
commit a crime. Okay, you know, I pay my fine. I
pled guilty. It was it's not an actual offense, and I go out
with my career, you know, it's yeah, it's yeah. My fear
is that the governor could just use this as a power play and say I'm
going to point somebody. Well, it does worry me too that they get
on the political lines a little bit, but I'm not sure if that's going
to be about Sandra Is at her office and against Steve Circuit know more about
this than I would, But they don't seem to run political lines. In
terms of prosecution. The crime is the crime, and the people who commit
it are the people who commit it. It's usually very fact based, very
fact based, and it's very you know, it's very statute driven. And
I've never she has, in my interactions with her and the people who I
know that deal with her a lot more than I do, have never identified
her as having any political agenda in terms of prosecuting crimes. Never all right,
well, we'll take a moment on it. It just was making headlines
everywhere and something that I wanted to see. I'm people so glad you were
here because I thought, can she now get that fair? It's a bad
look, Let's move on. It was a moment. People texting me this
morning. I'm in church, are you talking about this? The thing is,
well, listen to the bottom line. There there is no she pled
guilty. I'm guessing so that to the charge, she paid her fine,
moved on. That's her debt to society. That's what she's done, just
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So a lot of comments on the Sandra Dorley things from Facebook somebody writes
funny part she was worried about being pulled over on Phillips talking about District Attorney
Sandra Dorley. What about the cops in front of her house? Somebody said
she whipped out her badge. She does whip out her badge at one point
because the officer asked to see her license, and then she goes, I
don't have it with me. I have to get and then she goes,
I am the DA, and he goes, okay, ma'am. I somebody
said you got to try to get her on. She had a bad day
and is now accountable. So it's Glenn. The only difference from the rest
of us getting a ticket is she's the DA. I feel bad for her
in this position. Somebody else said, why did she want the officer to
stop her? Why does she not want Was she under some type of influence.
I don't think so, and I don't think she was. The Only
only thing she was under was frustration and anger. Richie says, she's a
pig. I'm betting she hit the flask on the way home, big black
suv. How about that big fat ass abuse the badge and we should have
cuffed hers? What he says, this is social media. This is what
imagine being Oh my god, she's married, right, Yeah, imagine being
her husband. I know she has kids. Yeah. Dave says I played
golf with her years ago. She didn't seem that type of person. However,
the fact is she did what she did and got captured at her worst
moment. It's gonna cost her, That's what he says. She's been a
DA has cost her. Yeah, and somebody says she has been a DA
for decades. She knows how to keep her composure under extreme situations. She
should have been able to stay calm and follow the officer's commands, regardless of
her stressful day at work. She berated an officer who she acted like was
beneath her. She acted like was beneath her and him being the officer.
This should not have escalated as it did. We are appalled when criminals disrespect
police officers. Now she's done the same. What kind of message does that
send to the public. I don't want her to lose her job. The
alternative is frightening. I'm curious why the Webster Police Department released this body cam
footage. Hopefully this is too. I think this was a foil. I
think when you foil something, it's freedom of information law, and it's the
whole reason why it's there. It's a count, it's it's truly, it's
the accountability. This was done. The whole police cam is because of to
hold the officers accountable right for their actions. Now, the interesting thing is
a lot of this is revealed. Is the other side of it. It's
what the officers have to go go through and deal. Right. Yeah,
so it's somebody I think. Richie Houseman comes back again, says, no
way. It's the first time she tried to use her job as escapegoat first
time it was on bodycam. Dethrown her. You're fired, you're guilty,
You suck, he says. Dustin says, people have bad days, but
I leaven handcuffs after this. I don't know if that's true. Todd says
she's above the law apparently, and somebody else said she also called the officer
an asshole. Okay, well, yeah, I don't know where above the
law comes out any way. I mean, I mean her. I think
I think the interpretation is is because she project she said who she was,
meant that she should somehow not receive the consequences of her actions that would be
above the law. Identifying who you are. Well, she kept saying,
just give me the ticket. Well, but again, she wasn't saying don't
write me the ticket. That would have been above the law. She's saying,
I did something wrong, I'm accountable for it. That's not above the
law. I mean, that's the opposite above the law, that's taking accountability
for your actions. So it's not above the law. But I mean,
you know, I can see how people could interpret that she was trying to
perhaps influence the officer's decision making because of her role, but that's not ultimately
what she said or what she did. So I don't project that. I
don't view that as being above the law. I think just a lot of
people are angry. Ohn. Just you know, you thought last Monday was
past central Wait till tomorrow. Holy shit, talk about a series of bad
mondays. I shouldn't laugh like that, But that is kind of funny when
you think about it. It was last Monday, the twenty second, and
now here we are one week later and all this is unfolded, and it
really kind of hit the fan Friday. So you're not going to get a
lot of news. Now people have had time to digest it, and the
unfortunate thing is it ends up on social media and YouTube and TMZ. TMZ
got a hold of it. The New York Post had a head, well,
look it's salatial. Oh of course it's slatial. Which goes back to
my point originally is don't we have better things to focus our energy on?
You know? And I'm a big I'm a big believer, greg And what
we push against the most, we never get rid of. We just keep
pushing to just get more of it. So we have the luxury in America
to bitch and bitch at, bitch at bitch and wine and cry cave a
bitch. And I listen to somebody do it all the time, you know,
America Great. I can say this, you know, in my in
my almost thirty years of being a lawyer, when somebody says to me,
it's not about the money, it's all about the money, right, Yeah.
When somebody says to me that they want justice against the insurance company and
they deserve something, they're oftentimes there's they their intentions are different than what the
average person is. They want vengeance, right, and it's oftentimes because they've
been wronged and they want some repercussions from it. And it's not necessarily because
of this incident. It's because of accumulation of life experiences. Got it.
And so when I when I hear some of the things that you read,
it's almost like, either you're doing it to garner attention to be salatial in
terms of like the you know, the you know you fire and she's the
whatever. Some of the things you said that are oh bit yeah, kind
of crazy crazy. It's kind of like, you know, look, if
that were you, how would you want that to be true? The NBC
affiliate out on the street and ask people what they thought of this. I
didn't grab that audio on purpose because it was like, yeah, matter but
and I kind of didn't want to. I have something to say. Well,
I guess it wouldn't be interesting to hear right what people say. But
I think most people are of the opinion like she acted as though she were
above the law. I'm not sure that that's exactly the case. I think
she went home, she clearly knew she was being pulled over. She was
talking to the police chief, and I think she probably said, just send
me the ticket, I'll pay it. I don't want to stop on Phillips
Road. I just want to get home. I've had an awful day.
The first thing I thought, after I watched this whole thing, and she
goes back inside right, and I go, man, I want to see
the size of the class of wine you drink. After that, I don't
know if she does or not. I just know that that looked like it
was, you know, the cap of a really really bad day. And
then now tomorrow your actions here comes a really real and the thing is that,
you know, like the guy who came in, the guy who posted
about you know, the big Cadillac or the big black car and all that.
You know, so if he did this right, and he did that,
thank you, he would get his ticket and that would be it.
Yeah. Now, unfortunately, I do know. I have had heard of
certain situations where things of this had happened, and then some people who know
the law went beyond what their capacities were. But as a citizen, you
cannot contest or defy a police officer's order, whether it's legal or an illegal
order, whether it's proper or improper, you can't defy because as soon as
you defy, your resisting arrest when it's an actual offense. And so,
you know, one of the things I learned in Losco was a police officer
is always right at the time he's acting always, it's what you do after
it and who judges afterwards as to whether those conditions are correct. When he
says to her to come back out here, don't go inside, now she
doesn't. She doesn't go in the house. She stays in the garage and
she says come. He says come back to the back of the car because
he doesn't want to. I think I don't know if he felt uncomfortable entering
the premise without I can't well, so it was her. So he kept
saying you need to come out here, and she says no, and then
eventually stays in there. So now I think when his supervisor, they all
kind of aren't convened in the garage. But would that be part of your
thing where you're not complying with an officer? Yeah, I mean, I
don't know. I don't know the nuance. I don't know that part of
it because she said, just give me the But how you know, the
whole question as a lawyer comes into how is she not being compliant? It's
a traffic stop. You know, the compliance of the traffic stop is you
identify what I did wrong? You write mean the ticket right, If you're
going to search inside the car, there has to be probable cause. If
there's other reasons, you have that problem. Cause it's not an arrest,
it's not an actual arrestable offense. So there's certain limitations and restrictions. Now,
if there's probable cause for other things, then you have to be complying
until those things are remedied. So again, I don't I'm not seeing again.
It's just bad. It's just a bad situation. It's unfortunate, and
you got I mean, I'll tell I have to say this. And this
is very sexist and misogynistic, I'm sure in some people's eyes. But that
woman look great. She looks phenomenal. She looks Santa Dorley looks the best
Santa Dorley has ever looked. And I've seen her over the years, and
that's a tough job and all. But if that's a bad day and she
looked like that, I go, man. I think I read you a
lot of people in that regard. A lot of women would trade places to
go if I can look that good on a body cam. How many times
have you been at to check out the self? Checkout yourself? Oh god,
look like well, you know the other thing is and and okay this
I don't know how this is gonna come off, but I'm gonna say it
anywhere that I can't wait. Men hear things differently than women want you to
hear it. And so when a woman says something to you, we will
view it as critical, where they view it as being constructive or informational or
providing their perspective and opinion. But how it comes out to a guy is
more important than the words that are used. And so when with Sandra's saying
what she said the way she says it, I hear one thing, but
I think a woman would hear it differently. And I think what she was
trying to communicate after the day she had was not to be disrespectful to the
officer. But she's frustrated, she's irritated, she's angry, not about him
necessarily, but the confluence of all these things. And again, and so,
as a guy, being a professional dealing in the office setting and having
personal relationships, I can tell you from firsthand knowledge, I've heard expressions or
feedback and perspectives from you know, my mom, my sister, my other
staff members, my personal relationships, and what I hear is not necessarily what
they're intending to say. I hear it the way a man hears it,
you know, as my mom said, once somebody's speaking like an Italian woman,
you're hearing it like an irishman. You're not hearing it the way that
it's intended. And in this situation, so that's why it's a bad day.
She didn't do anything legal or arrestable. You know, let's move on
in her life. They focus on something that's more important. Now. I
will say this, she will ultimately be judged by the voters, period.
And if people think that this is such a horrific circumstance when you compare it
to everything else, then she'll be gone or she won't run. But let
her decide that, don't let let let's not cancel her for a bad day
because I agree with you. I'm just reading some more comps. Somebody just
send me a message and the goal, Ryan says, the goal is to
make a traffic stop last no longer than five minutes. I don't know if
that's true or not. That may very well, I've never been in a
traffic stop that less it less and less than I let go the person to
check your eye. Yeah, all that stuff. The first thing a cop
would be trained to do is call in the plates when a car does not
stop when they try and pull them over. According to the cops that I've
spoken to during the training alongs, they take them past all the houses of
officials so that the trainees know who the officials are, where they live,
and what their vehicles are. That's what this person's saying. He said he's
done ride alongs and that that's an example of above the law. If yesk
me. Yeah, so, I don't know why you would do that.
Now. What it sounds like to me is if she she says, and
she hands the phone to the officer, saying, talk to your chief.
He's on the phone. She was basically saying, just send have him send
me the ticket. I need to go home. I can't. I'm not
pulling over to sit on the side of the road of Phillips Road for whatever
amount of time. Is that above the law? I don't think so.
Maybe here's the other thing. Doesn't every job of a perk, she's still
paying the fine she admitted to doing. The thing is that what's the perk
of her job here? Well, the perk would be that I didn't have
to pull over on the side of Phillips Road and sit there while the guy
wrote me a ticket. I don't know the circumstances behind that. I don't
either. I'm just saying like it sounds like she was. At the beginning
of the tape, you know, if you watch it even on YouTube,
she gets out of her car and she's on the phone and she goes,
talk to your talk to your chief. She hands him the phone. He
goes, hello, sir. So I don't know. And this guy is
saying that they he should have run the plates. She said, you knew
it was me? And he said, uh, no, I didn't.
I didn't run the plates. It was just somebody who wasn't going to stop.
Now this person is saying, one of the first things you're supposed to
do is run the plates. So I have no idea. Yeah, it's
Scott Hartwood. Like you're chasing somebody to their driveway. They're getting out of
the car and you're trying to stop. First, let me run your plates.
No, no, no, he's saying immediately when you start to pull
someone overs when you're driving, do you how do you do that? Though?
If you're driving, it's like there's a is there a program to do?
Probably? Probably there's a plate scanner now you can haveriff past. Yeah,
there's plate scanners and everything. Anyway, Greg is going to be I
don't know if you know this, he is going to be uh the centerfold
for a magazine, a local one. No no, no, no,
like the nice thing right, well, I you know, I mean I
will not be building cigar. That would be awesome. A fellow Alfred University
graduate, Kelly Brewer, had seen something recently on on social media which triggered
her memory of us knowing and going to college together at Alfred. And she
is in charge of the Roster Women's online and so they have a men they
have a men's Month which is June, reflective of Father's Day. And so
she just called me up just this weekend and asked if I would mind participating
and uh and in the in the magazine. And I after I figured out
what what it really was, I was like, oh my god, am
I gonna get Is this gonna be like a Q and a session. I'm
gonna get, you know, beaten up because of my Italian Irish I hear
like an irishman as opposed to hearing and uh. But no, she's great
and uh. And so I was telling her. I said, Hey,
I'm going on the Bill Ran podcast today and she said, oh my god,
I would if Bill would also participate. She goes, but I don't
know him. Do you mind if you do an introduction? I said,
well, I will ask him tonight when I go onto the podcast. Oh,
so here I am Bill. I would be happy to do. I
would be happy, Kelly. We will be calling. I would love that.
I would love that. It'll be fun, It'll be great. Yeah,
we'll close it with it without his glasses? Do you like this look
better? Or should I put the stems of the glasses in my mouth?
Now? What Kelly doesn't appreciate is that I'm interested in this more for me
than I'm sure she is about me, because I'm always trying to learn and
improve myself and evolve, and I think there's no better way for me to
understand. That is the greatest word, by the way, evolve. I
like that there's no better way for me to understand I'm a man to understand
and or appreciate women and how they think can communicate because it is different than
men. Then participate in in activity and participate in a magazine like this.
So at church, we had a guest pastor this morning and explain men versus
women, And I'm like, oh, I never thought about this. He
says, men thinking boxes, but they can only think in one box at
a time, whereas women can think Craig, creg, you're going off going.
Women can think in one box at a time, too, but all
those boxes are I got ja, I got cha, I got you.
So in other words, like that's why they could like cook and listen for
like the kids being stupid and know that you're on a phone call and who
you're talking to while something else is going outside. They can think in multiple
boxes at once, whereas a guy thinks it one box at a time.
The boxes aren't connected. We're with women, the boxes are all connected.
Now does that sound fair? I can attest cool. I can attest to
the fact that when I'm thinking about something and I get feedback, I don't
necessarily appreciate and understand that perspective because I'm thinking what I'm thinking I'm in that
box, so to speak. Uh. Now, again, part of evolution
is being able to step back, which I'm sure Sandra wished she could do
and say, Okay, this is probably not the way that it's intended.
I need to think about this or take a breath, or not respond right
away. And again again, I'm pre nineteen eighty five, So I grew
up to fix problems. Oh yeah, I'm a problem for solver. That's
what I do. You got a problem, I can fix it. You
come to me with prospect, pulp fix something. You got an issue,
and I think you have an issue based on how you're talking to me,
I'm going to fix your problem. I think a statement I recently made to
my kids were just tell me what you need and I'll make it happen.
Yeah. Right, it's a problem solving. Well tell me what you need.
Clean, stop, don't give me all the bullshit. Just get right
to the core of what it is. Give me right to the core what
is, and we'll make it happen. But I don't want to hear the
pre log and the prola whatever it is, I don't want to hear it.
One of the things that just resonates in my head daily is my father
would say to me, don't be a problem creator. Be a problem solver.
Yeah, yeah, be a problem solving, not a problem creator,
right, because that's what life is about. You create problems, nobody.
You're not being productive your problem solver. Now you're being productive and helpful a
lot of times too. The solution is within the problem itself. If we
all just step back for a little bit, we can usually find out ourselves,
unless it's somebody who's just creating problems to be a problem, and that
happens an awful lot too. All Right, we'll close with this story about
a mother and son. So this happens to be Tammy Fisher. She's fifty
one, her son, Zach, is thirty. So Tammy and Zach are
together and they see this guy, Shane go by. And Shane was towing
a trailer and he had two of his kids, and he had some SUVs.
He was going to go four wheeling on property. And Tammy realizes that
Zach and I don't know if Zack's a cousin, I don't know what Zach
is is going to go up to her mother's property and her mother, this
fifty one year old woman's mother has a court order in place against this guy,
Shane, and she felt like he was disobeying. So instead of waiting
to see it was gonna happen and maybe letting the law take care of things.
That's why you have an order of protection, she jumped into her vehicle
and she persuaded her son, Zach, and his seven year old daughter to
also get in the vehicle, and they tore ass down the street and they
blocked this guy, Shane, in on North Ontario Road and Zach, her
son, gets out and he punched Shane's vehicle and starts beating on it,
and then Shane gets out and the two of them are fighting, and so
Tammy the mom, she gets out and she gets a snowbrush because you still
have those in your car in April May in this area, and she starts
beating Shane, and you think you've had a bad day. So the two
men were fighting in this is you want dash cam video for sure something like
that. So apparently there was, you know, they got arrested and she
was charged with assault and endangering the welfare of a child. But my question
is, like, how do you like she looks at this and your son
doesn't say, hey, mom, why don't we wait to see if he
goes there and then we'll call the police. Instead, he goes, Okay,
mom, that's a great idea, and oh, by the way,
let me get my seven year old daughter in the car too. Well,
how does that happen? Greg? You do it reminds me, reminds me
of the question you've asked many times, yes of the Menendez br Yes,
you hope that one of your kids says, wait a second, yes,
yes, Unfortunately that didn't happen. No, And I think that every time
I hear of something horrific, I go, how did you get somebody else
to do this with me? How? What did this guy Shane do that
You're so worked up? Your mom's worked up, so then you get worked
up and nobody can keep a little bit of rationale about them, just a
little bit. We can go, hey, Shane's are real assholes. They
do have an order of protection, but we don't want to get ourselves in
trouble. Let's let's call up to Grandma and tell her that they're coming,
and maybe she calls instead they go, and I mean this turned into the
new handle this. They're too to Hazzard and you bring your seven year old.
And by the way, Shane's got his kids. How traumatic is that
to see your parents getting a physical fist fight. I think it would be
awful. Yeah, I honestly, for me, it's hard for me to
comprehend why someone would actually do that. I mean, you know, it's
like the order protection only applies once they break the boundary, right, so
if you prevent them from breaking the boundary, you're actually breaking the law,
and if you do it in a violent manner, it's actually an arrestable crime.
And we talked about the situation with sand Or two seconds ago. If
they go over the property line, then there's a whole other set of rules
and laws and protections that apply. And it's I mean, it's really it
could be razor thin like that. So why do people just I just I
see the order of protection as the biggest waste of paper. No, it's
not, you don't think. So it's not because every time it's people who
you open the times Wayne County, Greg and it's always someone who they get
pulled over for speeding and then they find out that she has an order of
protection. She's the driver against the boyfriend who's now sitting in the passenger seat,
And I always go, why did you go? Why did you why
did you clog up the court to get this thing when you're gonna break it
anyway? And you're right, it is not. It is the first precursor
in protecting somebody. Yeah, when they're and what percentage is the scenario laid
out? Probably very small, I would think, Yeah. I mean the
order protection is important because when they are violated, there are consequences if you
don't have it and somebody who is and again to get that, there has
to be some threat and there has to be some viable issues there. And
if you don't have it in the person comes, then there's there's not you
don't have that legal protection. Once you have the legal protection and that comes
and they break it, then you have another layer of something for someone lake
Sandra and her team to like have consequences for that. Without the order protection,
there are they don't have the same company. And now again do people
in those situations do they violate them? You know they they do, But
it's still important to have it because nobody should be Nobody should feel that their
safety or the safety of others are in that much of a threat with out
there being consequences. No, I think I almost feel like there's there's two
levels to this. There's the Taylor Swift stalker, and the first thing to
do is to get your order of protection right right, and then if they
take it further, now we can get further consequences because we've already filed this.
And then there's the trash people who get mad at each other, yeah,
and then file these order of protection and then just wipe the ash with
it and waste everybody's time. And those are the ones I usually read about
the most. So that's that's the ones that bother me. Yeah, well,
those are the ones that are entertaining. What the hell do you think?
Gosh? I had a roommate once. He and his girlfriend had orders
of protection against each other. She's sleeping over one night, next night they're
fighting, Cops show up, he's gotta go. You have the order of
protection. Two weeks, I guess he's back together. Yeah. Ah love,
it's grand. Yeah, it makes you do crazy things. Yeah,
all right, we'll wrap it up. Great. I'm also inspires and motivates
you to evolve and to continue on your path towards becoming a more mindful person
towards others. Yes, that's what love can do for you. Yes,
that is what love can do for you. I'm very glad you were here,
though, for the Santra Dorley thing to put a little legal perspective behind
it. I think that was very No, I'm glad to be able to
offer what little I could offer. And the bills, Hey, of course,
that's the important story of this week, Bills. The Coleman piece was
great. We gonna forget about the Santa Dorley stuff in a week. But
football season is three hundred and sixty six days a year. I just want
to be on the record of saying that I am really rooting for the running
back Ray Davis because I love the story that I read in The Athletic about
him, and I really would like to see this British guy who's six foot
seven and three hundred and three pounds uh and there's never played football his life
in the seventh round pick. I'd like to see him. We'll teach you.
Is that amazing about genet X? If you're if you're that big and
that guy, you know, we'll show you. We'll show you. Travis
Clayton Travis Clayton, thank you. I'm glad I couldn't find his name fast
enough, all right. For Greg Connors, for Dan Barrillo, for Kevin
who I I I feel bad I did not do a good job and say
hey, we're gonna be doing it at four thirty. I just assumed that
he feel bad as my fault. No, it's not up. Iron smoke,
Yes, iron smoke. It's gonna be. Uh, it's a birthday
bash. Birthday bash. Yeah, come on out and hang with us all
and we'll see you tomorrow. You