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dots jee Brahm. It's Bilified.
The Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello

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and welcome. Thanks for getting your
pot on, Thanks for telling a friend.

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That's how we spread the word about
the pirate ship. Danny's here,

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Gregg's here, Kevin's not here.
Yeah, what's going on? So I

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so I said to ky I just
send them to texag Are you coming?

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And he's like, what time?
I said, four thirty? I go.

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Now we're here. Now, He's
like, when was this discussed?

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I said Friday. Yeah. I
go, oh, that's how Greg was

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here. He goes, well,
I was drinking Friday. He goes,

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you must have said it after I
left. I go, no, I

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didn't. I know. I didn't
know. I know I did not.

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You guys went out Thursday, right, We went to Thursday's, well,

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Thursdays because we were excited for the
draft. Yeah. And then Buffalo,

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I think smartly, I know many
people. I think it was one of

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those ones where people were kind of
holding your breath, kind of going,

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oh my god, what are they
doing? And then I thought they got

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a great receiver. And Kevin sent
me a really funny thing. I meant

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to grab the audio from of the
kid at the press conference talking about his

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coach. Yeah, I got it
in May seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine.

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I gotta go get some new Colthores. They gotta get me in blue

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and a red one now. Yeah. Doug Gottlieb retweeted it goes my mom

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taught me the same thing to shop
two seasons ahead and saved money. And

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he doesn't realize he's live. And
then he asked about the snacks at the

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table. He wanted to get to
the snacks first before the press guy.

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Then afterwards, I don't know if
you were talking going to talk about this.

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He reaches for the Wegmans cookies and
starts asking about the cookies. Yeah,

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I did, I did see that. That would be uh. I

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love Kean Coleman, wide receiver out
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Who we picked number thirty three,
which was the first pick of the second

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round because we traded our We traded
our twenty eighth pick to Kansas City,

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which was controversial, and we were
when we were at Thirsty's, we were

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like, what the hell are they
doing? They gave up Worthy? I

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mean Worthy was the receiver that was
ok talk to me about Worthy because Xavier

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Worthy was somebody who had the fastest
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combine history, in combine history.
Have you ever seen The Flash, the

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comic book The Flash? Yes,
that's him. Okay, but now some

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people are saying, why would we
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Patrick Mahomes blah blah. He doesn't
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Yeah, I mean they're they're the
knockgoun Worthy is that his catching and

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reliability in his past route running is
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He can extend the field and if
you get it to him underneath like like

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like Andy Reid does quite often,
he fits their offense perfectly. He does

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not fit our offense because Josh throws, Josh is more. Josh throws are

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usually a little further up the field
than they're usually contested catches. One of

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the reasons why Kean Coleman is such
a huge pickup by the Bills after making

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two trades is because he's a phenomenal
catcher of the ball and in coverage and

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and and contact collision catches. So
that's huge. But so so we gave

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the Chiefs. Everyone's all up in
arms over us. You gave him that

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next tree killed two point zero.
Well, if they were going to get

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him anyways, because we didn't want
them, we weren't going to take them.

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We wanted Coleman. The Bills were
at twenty eight, the Chiefs for

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thirty two, and the Packers and
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So and uh so that was I
can't it great? It was a

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great I didn't know a problem with
that Kansas City wanted to guarantee they want

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They wanted him so bad, and
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it was a fifth round pick,
and I believe the Bills used that or

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was it a third round? No, they got a third round. They

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jumped like fifty spots swing Carter the
defensive tackle from you, Duke, So

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they end up getting a defensive tackle
off of that, which which again third

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round players are are I mean,
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could be an impact player. So
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and then we went to and then
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to Carolina to go to thirty one
pick later and I said it. I

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said, hey, I'd call you
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is probably we need a first rout
pick. Like, there's a video,

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a viral video of him. I
saw him going in Was it you who

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sent it to me? Going into
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to you. Somebody said, so, this is an interesting thing. I

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don't know if you saw this.
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hear the audio because it was security
camera es. But somebody put out outside

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of a bar restaurant in Charlotte that
said, uh, this year, please

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let the GM and coach make the
pick. Now, from what I understand,

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last year they took a quarterback.
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that the like the head coach what's
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fired was the owner wanted the kid
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him j Stroud and instead the It
sounded like to me the other guys took

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Bryce Young, Bryce Young. They
wanted Bryce Young. So I've heard it.

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I've heard it both ways. That's
what that's well, that's what he

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made it sound like when he fired
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So somebody puts this out as a
sign. He goes into the restaurant.

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Yes, he walks up to the
basically the Maynor d station and says,

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who put that sign out there?
Get out of here? And somebody said,

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the person who did it isn't here. Now I don't know, I

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want to say, were you so
thin skinned? Were you're trying to be

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ironic or funny? I can't tell. But with this guy, he seems

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like he's kind of a hothead,
one hundred percent. Well, first of

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all, he's a multi billionaire who
has gotten everything he's ever wanted now in

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his career. So I mean it
makes a lot more sense. I mean,

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first of all, I thought Frank
Reich is a great I thought he's

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a great coach. I thought you. I thought with what he was given

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in Indianapolis, he did well with
what he inherited in Carolina, which was

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a shit show. He was trying
to get it back together. Yeah,

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and Tupper's a hothead. Yeah,
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and I wouldn't doubt that a nut
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a sign, which, by the
way, you want passionate fans. That's

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what you want, even if they
are saying things that maybe you don't like.

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You know, it's a you know, as a guy, you want

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passion, but sometimes when you get
it, you don't know how to handle

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it right. And that's a perfect
example of he doesn't know how to handle

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it right. I know, I
speak from experience. Carolina could have just

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waited, maybe, but they were
afraid the Bills might take this kid.

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Yeah, Zebel lag Get, and
so they decide, okay, we'll swap

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it. Well, he the get
came in on Buffalo's Top thirty. Yes,

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he did so, as did Worthy. But and so I think they

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were like, shit, we we
want this was and again was like being

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away Bean talks. He is like
you get you get a certain you get

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an athlete in and there's qualities that
distinguish them from others that you want.

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And you saw Coleman that interview is
what Brandon Bean and what Sean mcgrumomt went

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for. Yeah, because the guy's
a hard worker. He's got the great

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work ethic. He just gets after
it and he and the thing they love

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about him is he catches the ball
in traffic. Yeah, and that's where

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Josh pushed the ball a lot of
times because he forces it. And you

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know, so it's I'm pumped.
I thought it was a great pick.

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I thought Brandy Bean did a phenomenal
job with the draft. Yeah. I

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did. Two. There's two guys
on here that I'm rooting for big time.

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One of them is Ray Davis,
the running back out of Kentucky.

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I don't know if you've seen read
his story or not. Homeless like homeless

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At eight nine years old, both
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I wound up becoming an award of
the state. One of fourteen kids

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winds up going to has an opportunity
to be adopted, but they this family

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would only had room for two,
so he left it. He told him

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to take his younger brother and sister. He stayed in the system, would

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walk his kid is at times when
they were home, Mom would be gone

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days at a time. She would
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be gone for a week a monthly. Then he winds up CouchSurfing for a

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while. He gets in with like
his third grade teacher who would see him

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sometimes for weeks at a time because
he would drop his walk his sister to

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school, make sure she got to
school, go home, take care of

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his baby brother, chain stipers,
do all this stuff. And when he

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could, he went to school,
but he didn't, so then this teacher

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started pulling him aside and meeting with
him, getting him caught up, and

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then stayed with him, and eventually
he lived with them for three years,

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and then he went to Trinity Pauling, which is down by where I grew

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up. It's a private school.
He got in there and the state of

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California tried to basically block it saying
that all his support system is here,

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nobody's here. Well, his father
had come out of jail at that point,

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and his dad said, I really
would like to see him have this

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opportunity. He was going there on
a basketball scholarship to Trinity Pauling really yep,

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and he said I can also play
football, and he broke all kinds

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of records. And then from there
he went I think to Vanderbilt or no,

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he went to Temple, Temple,
Temple, then vanil and Vanderbilt and

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then Kentucky for his last year.
And he's running and that's the kind of

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guy. I go, Well,
first of all, is that's totally this

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is like, this is a movie. This is the next movie. We

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see thousand yards of season two in
as long as he's three different schools,

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three different schools, and he's like
a he's like a short yardage back.

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He's like he's like a tailback.
They call it to like he's like two

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hundred and five pounds running back.
So he's a he's a ball of steel.

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And I'm writing final play of the
bill season in twenty twenty four,

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twenty twenty five, it'll be him
over the goal line in February in the

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Super Bowl. And then Disney is
going to do a movie. Yeah,

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I mean it was it has that
Disney and he's by the way, he's

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reconnected with his dad and has a
decent relationship with his father, who can't

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wait to meet him at training.
Can Yeah. The kid's name is Ray

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Davis, Ray Davis. And then
the other guy that really this one blew

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me away. This the Travis Clayton
pick. Travis Clayton's seventh round six foot

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seven athlete out of England has never
played football, just a freak athlete,

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rugby, bach, sing soccer,
and I guess they loved him. In

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the compound. People said, this
guy is just a freak athlete. Yeah.

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And the thing is is that he
does not count against the Bills roster

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because he's an international player. So
they essentially got an FOS spot for a

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guy who's just a freak phenomenal athlete. Yeah. Yeah, I don't who

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knows if he'll make it, right, but boy, I saw and again

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you're seeing clips of things, but
he looked like, well, the thing

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is is that he's big. They
can keep them. They don't have to

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cut him because he doesn't count towards
their roster number. So why is that

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Because the pathways program the pathway so
they encourage people who have never played football

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to get the chance to learn the
game without the fear of getting cut or

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having to go and to become part
of somebody's sucks practice squad or whatever it's.

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They're incentivizing NFL teams to pick these
guys and work with them, and

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after a few years then he could
say, Okay, we're done. So

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when they go to England or they
go to Germany, it just it galvanizes

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that support within the within the countries
they go to because there's a guy that's

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from that area and now sudden they're
huge NFL fans and Bills fans. I

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think he ran four to seven nine
forty yard dash holy which the Bill said

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was faster than all offensive linemen have
recorded over the past ten years. So

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as an offensive lineman, and he's
six seven, six foot seven. I

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don't have his weight, he's got
to be over three hundred pounds. He's

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a big Well. When I saw
him, he was jumping around, he

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didn't have a shirt on. There
was a lot of saggy skin, But

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that doesn't mean anything. I mean, he's pretty strong. He was hitting

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some stuff, but I don't know. Yeah, I thought, wow,

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this looks Yeah, he doesn't need
like They joke that he doesn't know a

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lot of the rules, so they
have to like teach them. Okay,

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you can't hold for certain techniques.
He's gonna be a project. But Sean

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McDermott and Brandon Bean love three types
of guys. They love players who are

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incredibly athletic, which he is.
They love players who actually come from athletic

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backgrounds, meaning their parents were Division
I athletes or pro athletes. Speaking of

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that, did you see who they
picked up and uh no, undrafted free

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agents? Yeah you did show that. Who was it? Frank Gorgon gor

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junior j okay, all right,
which I think he's great. Yeah,

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sorry, And they love senior Bowl
players. And then who's the Lions receiver

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that they took to h Yeah,
the kid who annual Yeah yeah, well

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there was the kid who got busted
for uh for for gambling last year.

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of times, and then he was
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twenty three and he got busted for
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so he got suspended for a year. So now he's back. He's

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the guy that Brandon Bean was working
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from the Lions. He's another project. Six seven three oh three, three

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oh three. Yeahs combine stat six
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he's got quick feet, quick feet, he's got quick feet, you

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know. I mean, you want
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had his best season. Uh.
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up the fewest sacks of any team
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on the left tackle. You lost
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a center this year, George George. Yeah, you know, they they

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have what's his name who was gonna
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center role starting uh, you know
into training camp. You know, we

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got the rookie from well he's not
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who's now going to be a secondar
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I think than any other player.
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bring a guy like that, he's
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guy. He's just got to learn
now right right right. And I'm gonna

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guess if being in those guys in
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you're that athletic, you also have
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smart. That's the thing that I'm
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not afraid of getting hit, if
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whole body out there, right,
And then all this stuff. They showed

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him doing some line work where he's
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again I always go, I don't
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that somebody tweets out, you know
what I mean. It's like he's like

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the Dolph lungrain. Yes, right, Yes, that's what you hope.

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All right, Well, as long
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not? Yuh Now. Roger Goodell
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I'm interested to get your thoughts on
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kind of into the seventeen game season
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this and what Roger Goodell would like
to see happen. We'll play what Roger

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said, and then I'm interested in
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think we're good at seventeen now,
but listen, we're looking at how we

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continue. I'm not a fan of
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waste the time right and energy.
I don't buy it, and I don't

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think these guys like it. Take
its No, they're actually discounted now.

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So thank you for we got that. But the reality is, you know,

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I think I'd rather play some preseason
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That's just picking quality, right,
So if we get if we got

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to eighteen and two, that's not
an unreasonable thing. The other thing it

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does, which I thought you were
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President's Day weekend, which is a
three day weekend, which makes a Sunday

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night, and then you have Monday
off. So that, wow, now

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we're cooking. What do you say
to the preseason stuff though? Is it

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needed? I mean, you don't
need any you don't think, no,

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just to evaluate a player or see
or you got you look. I you'll

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hear a lot of the veteran on
TV say it takes the offense a little

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while because they didn't have enough action
in the preseason, but you're not playing

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a lot of your starters no matter
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well, first of all, at
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money to guys. They're professionals at
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preseason is all about who's gonna who's
gonna. The preseason is for me,

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who are the guys that are the
most economical, that can fit your roster

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and do what they need to do
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is. And so they use those
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you know, we need some games
to get the rhythm. Well, no

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kidding, I mean you get somebody
knew when, But that's what that's what

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practice is for. I mean,
yes, you know it's like, okay,

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well you're just not the same speed. Okay, well the other team's

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not the same speed either, So
it's there's no there's no competitive advantage or

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disadvantage by by not having preseason.
I think preseason when I played it out

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for it, I hated preseason because
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of getting hurt, I was going
to say, and it wasn't It wasn't

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really counting In college college they really
that they have their spring game. They

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might do a scrimmage with another school, but they rarely they don't. Usually

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they're finding their preseason like that's Nick
Saban. It's usually the first half of

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the first game, and it could
often be against Cupcake U. But that's

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their that's their preseason. Yeah,
but it counts as it counts on their

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schedule, right right. I First
of all, I don't think the players

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Union is ever going to agree with
drop one preseason game and add one regular

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season game. There's no way they're
gonna agree. What about even with the

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two bys, because that's what you're
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bys. I thought eighteen and two
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games. I took it as two
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still think it would be one.
Because he says it extends its President's the

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weekend, which by the way,
gets it off of Valentine's Day. Yeah,

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that's where I get jammed up,
and but it does. It makes

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the Super Bowl and National holiday the
day after National but it also cuts into

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the NBA, which they love because
that's All Star week all Star weekend,

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and it's also don't be surprised in
the NBA moves also, I would think

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they'd have to, Like even the
NHL said they'll they'll move that. They

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moved their All Star game to the
week between the super Bowl and the and

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the championship games. All right,
we'll take this one. All right,

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Well, well you guys would.
But the NBA is like, no,

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we're President's Day. What do you
get in that tournament? Mid season?

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In tournament? Now, why don't
they just make that their All Star weekend

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instead of because you can't get it
because Lebron runs the league. But if

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you go into March this one,
you're gonna wind up with, you know,

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March Madness. And yeah, the
NBA like, nobody's watching anymore.

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I watched last week. Yeah,
people watch the playoffsers, no incidive to

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watch the regular season. That's why
they say, that's why they that's why

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they that Silver made the nd season
tournament because the ratings were down and it

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helped a little but not a lot. And because the players were like taking

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games off left and right. But
they're still charging these ridiculous prices for games

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and games like the last night when
I got home, I wanted to see

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the league. It's on ESPN three. I was on ABC. It was

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yeah, I was on ABC.
Oh, I saw it on ESPN three.

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Oh good, I'm glad it was
on ABC. Okay, I didn't

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really think. Yeah, I think
I think it was that. That makes

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more sense watching it last night.
But but yeah, I mean the NBA

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now because next year, this next
season coming up, there's gonna be a

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Wednesday game and it's Christmas Day.
They're gonna have two games, and that's

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the NBA's big day, Christmas Day. Yeah, and so the the NFL

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is just like they don't care anymore. World Series Thursday night, tough crap,

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brother, We're going head to head
with you. We don't care,

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right, And so that's that's what
they're that's what they're doing. We are

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the King League here, we are
the alpha dog. That's what they're doing

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for me. I think the way
I see if they go eighteen, and

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I think eighteen would be great,
is that they'll have one preseason game.

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They have one preseason game, probably
this second or third week of training camp,

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or it'd probably be mid August,
so there'd be two weeks. So

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if they would have the game and
then there would be two weeks and then

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the regular season would start. So
if there's any injuries, you have two

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weeks to recover, which it also
gives you some prep time leading into it.

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Would you start the season a little
earlier? Potentially? I do wish

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they'd give them two bye weeks.
I would start. I mean, as

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as it goes only just for recovery
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een games. I mean you might, that's a possibility. It'd be interesting,

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and obviously I don't I don't know
how complicated the schedule, the two

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bye weeks, but I can imagine. I know when they went to the

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bye weeks, the scheduler said it
was the hardest thing for them to adjust

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to sure with scheduling, which which
you know. I mean, look,

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okay, so the draft is over. Everyone's like, I can't wait for

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a training camp. I can't wait
for training camp. Trust me, you

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know what. I can't wait for
the schedule. I came for the scheduling.

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I can't wait for it. It's
like Christmas. It's like Christmas party.

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It's another wait, Wait when is
that? I think it's the first

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or second week of May. Yeah, it's it varies. They don't because

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because of the schedulers go through and
they got there's a lot of variations.

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There's no specific date for it because
it's one they Well, the thing is

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that once they want the draft,
they want to know if there's any other

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free agency moves because they want to
get the marquee matchups on the on the

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primetime shows and uh locations and so
it's so it's usually it's in May,

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and it's usually before my birthday,
okay, because right around my birthday is

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just like kick off your birthday season. Well, what I do is what

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I do is I actually schedule my
away trips when the schedule lease comes out.

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So it's funny. So celebration from
Cell Capaccio from the b GR great

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guy and we know because he mc
that event that you yeah for for Zach.

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Yeah. So Sal does this podcast
every year when he talks to the

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NFL schedule maker. It's his most
listed podcast, and he says the schedule

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makers say that the Bill is gonna
be on primetime quite a bit, which

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is no surprises you, but like
you're not going to get a regular body

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clock again this year for goodbye one
o'clock games again. It's gonna be it's

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before eight, Thursday night, Sunday
night, Monday night. Get used to

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it, bills fans because we got
Josh Allen, So that's what it's gonna

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be. Like, Uh, why
don't we take a moment when we come

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back? Since we're kind of on
this theme of the NFL Draft, I'd

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love to play what the Colts GM
said? Uh did you catch it?

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I saw this? Yeah, good
good for him. Well I kind of

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say good for him. But yet
at the same time, you're investing a

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lot of money. So character is
a big piece of this. But we

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are talking about young men, you
know. So I can't wait to hear

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I have not heard it. We will

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somebody to day and we decided that
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nephew's tenth birthday. He looks like
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so I can lip sync, but
dance like kid boy. He's got to

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do my fifty night first. He's
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Costa Rica. And he told me
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over the trees in Costa Rica.
Oh that's cool, Yeah, very cool.

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So but I was going, you
can't be in a bad mood when

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you hear Bernal, You just can't. I mean, listen to this.

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I like, this is Greg.
This is Greg story. Champagne and caviar

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always red lifestyles of the Richard famous, right, Robert Lake, Yes,

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And it wasn't it Champagne something and
caviar dreams which you champagne wishes and caviar

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dreams that I do like champagne.
I'm not a caviyar guy. No,

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I'm not either. Winnie from The
Wonder Years lives in luxury, enjoy champagne

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though, you know, I mean, there's there's never an opportunity where one

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should spare a bottle of champagne.
If you're like tonight, I would open

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up a bottle if we were home
and just be because it's Sunday, Sunday

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fun day. Why, you know, it's like everybody saves their favorite bottle

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of wine or their favorite bottle of
champagne for that special occasion, the special

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occasions that we're here together. Well, I'll tell you that to me is

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true freedom. What you're saying,
that is true freedom. Like we talk

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about freedom and we know what it
means, you know, for your person

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and government wise and all that.
But true freedom is just being able to

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do whatever you want when you want, because you know, and having no

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limitations none. I mean, that's
why I that's all. That's how I

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see money. To me, money
is freedom. Is that true? I

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mean, uh, well, I
to a certain agree you could be.

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It's like you can become a prisoner
of it, you know. Yeah,

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you know. The thing is,
you know, and I mean I can

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only talk to my own life experiences
that for me to get to where I

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00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:55,279
am today, there's been a lot
of sacrifices. There's been a lot of

407
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,559
times away from family and loved ones, and then there's been you know,

408
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:03,319
just things that I priority, right, you know, prioritizing things. And

409
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,240
for me, you know, you
love someone, they're your top priority,

410
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,279
but when you work from eight in
the morning until ten at night, they

411
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,880
don't feel that way, right,
And so those things occur and so but

412
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,119
no it you know, it's like
I've said, but if you have a

413
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,480
lot of money, you could hire
surrogates. Yeah, no, it doesn't

414
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:27,880
worry man, I'm too I'm too
competitive to spend more than me. Is

415
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,160
not your dad? Yeah right,
yeah, but there is a certain you

416
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,359
know, like, for me,
what I enjoy is I love going to

417
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000
I love football. Right now,
you're talking about the last episode is that

418
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,119
was on? Was you know that
that that that that space for you zone

419
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,480
in and you relax. It's like, here's them and for me it's traveling

420
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,680
and it's in these games and so
uh. But that that that that feeling

421
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,880
of being able to share that with
someone that you care about and you want

422
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,839
to share it with, That,
to me is what freedom is. So

423
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,880
somebody says, hey, I want
to go to New York, you know,

424
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,240
and it's a one hundred and fifty
two hundred dollars ticket. I'm like,

425
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:07,119
okay, let's go. Yes,
That to me is what the freedom

426
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,640
is. All these years of my
hard work has now put me in the

427
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,319
position where I'm able to do that. I'm able to go to Seattle for

428
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,319
the Bills game. I'm able to
go to LA for the Chargers game.

429
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,480
I'll maybe able to go to Houston
for the that game again, as long

430
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,759
as my kids don't have any other
conflicts. Those are things I would like

431
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,000
to do and I'd like to share
that with someone. Yeah, that's to

432
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,880
me as the freedom or again.
You know, you guys have been at

433
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,599
the house for the Bills game,
and it's just a matter of having people

434
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:40,279
together and celebrating the opportunity you have
because it's fleeting. Things happen so quickly

435
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:41,759
in life. You got to enjoy
it. Yeah, you're not You're not

436
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,000
kidding, Like everything does change in
the blink of an eye, blink of

437
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,200
an eye. I mean, your
mom has had some health issues this past

438
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,640
year, as mine did last year, and you know it's having here.

439
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440
You know, tonight we're going to
after we're done with this, I'm going

440
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:59,279
to go have positive with mom.
Yeah, and that's something that you know,

441
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,559
you should really cherish, right as
much as sometimes when y'all go,

442
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,640
uh, you know, I I'm
talking to my sister today and I said

443
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,119
something about I called at eight thirty
in the morning and she said to me,

444
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,519
I said, I just wanted to
get ahead of everybody I'm sure you

445
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,640
got something going on this afternoon with
Elias, and you're gonna be going.

446
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:19,799
She goes, we do, she
said, matter of fact. I tried

447
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:25,759
to tell Mom to call, and
Mom basically said, don't expect anything from

448
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:30,119
me before eleven am. And I'm
like, wow, you can't just you

449
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,680
know what I'm saying, Like you're
so set in your weight, like you

450
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,160
wouldn't you know what I mean,
just in some way what you mean,

451
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,759
yes, it's and he had.
At the same time, you go,

452
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,559
okay, you a way. They've
earned it. I get it. But

453
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,200
you know, my sister's like,
look, we're gonna be leaving by noon,

454
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,319
and my mother's like, yeah,
I don't like it. And you

455
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,039
know they're trying to hold the gift, so the kid opens it while you're

456
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,240
on the phone kind of thing.
They make a big deal whatever, uh

457
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,680
speaking, a big deal I did
Kevin, who is not here, and

458
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,480
I feel a little bad. I
don't know. I thought I kind of

459
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,680
made it clear when we were together
Friday night. At four thirty today,

460
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,759
I don't know, but either way, my bad. He sent me.

461
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:12,039
It's probably my bad because when Kevin
came and sat down, he sat to

462
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,799
our you were in the center.
I was in the left, Kevin was

463
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,519
on the right. And there was
a lot of activity, a lot of

464
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,839
energy around us. Yes, and
I think that Kevin might have been drowned

465
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,680
out by all the energy that was
around us. It was an active evening.

466
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:33,519
It was an activity big fans of
Bill Moran. It was an Irish

467
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:40,680
family, was an Irish Irish family. It was big fans of the want

468
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,559
their own podcast. They want their
own podcast. And I believe are related

469
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,839
to Kevin. Yes, they figured
out our cousins with Kevin. Yes,

470
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,720
they figured out they related to Kevin. Wow, Kevin his grandmother is their

471
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:59,119
grandmother's sister. Yeah. The Dolans, Oh wow, yeah crazy. Yeah.

472
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,759
So it was a whole whole family
was there. So I feel Kevin

473
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,359
got little. There's so much noise, I think and laughter that I think

474
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,519
Kevin might have missed a couple of
communications. Yeah, that happens. That's

475
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,839
why you need a preseason game.
Work on all the kids. When it

476
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,519
comes to going to the bar.
Remind me of we remind me to tell

477
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:21,160
you about inexperience at the end of
the night where I actually I thought about

478
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,559
it the next day ago. Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that to

479
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,559
somebody, but it was somebody who
made headlines in the Greater Rochester area,

480
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:33,640
headlines like no, you were fine? Oh did you laughed? First of

481
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,799
all, he's a really good guy. He's a really good guy, you

482
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,880
know. Uh, And he's done
a lot for the community. Sometimes you

483
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,839
make some bad decisions in your life
and you don't mean to, but it

484
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,559
just happens, and then you have
to be accountable. And he was and

485
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:52,079
he owned it. But you had
a really smart well it was he he

486
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,240
actually when you said it, he
finished it. He finished the comment.

487
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Now I feel like that guy.
I have to say. Guy say,

488
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,079
I don't say his name, but
the circumstances, the circumstances was he ended

489
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:08,640
up. Yeah, he was driving
on three wheels, well one tire and

490
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,079
no just on the rims. And
I go, I just looked at him

491
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,119
and go, hey, man,
you have to be a hell of a

492
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,680
driver. I don't care power steering
or not. That's the driver. If

493
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,079
you can get off, that's the
type of guy. He come to a

494
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,480
road. That's impressive. That's the
type of guy. Watch. I didn't

495
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:31,640
even know what I couldn't I like
And then I'm like that. I'll tell

496
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,480
you what I'm like, sweating things. I don't know who this imaginary person

497
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,799
is, but i'll tell you whenever
they do imaginarily, they probably the best

498
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:43,920
at it. They can do that. That's the guy I want to do.

499
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,759
Whatever that is that he did.
He's good guy's got big heart,

500
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:52,599
you know. But yeah, it
was funny and he was He laughed about

501
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,319
it. He actually finished the story
before you said it. And which which

502
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,759
again, which that's just the testament
is his good nature and it's good personality.

503
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,920
He's a good family man. So
here is what's funny. Coleman.

504
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,720
Kevin sent me the audio of Coleman
and this is him, and just to

505
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,400
show you the personality, you're gonna
love this, love love this kid man.

506
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,960
You forgot what is goo in Michigan
for two years. I guess why

507
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,119
I got this wrong? Though,
I'm saying you got a guess you're gonna

508
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:22,400
be wrong. But guess be wrong? Nas, What do you mean?

509
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,079
They be on sail on the rack, all the colors look seventy nine eighty

510
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,079
nine. Nice little deal. You
can get the trench code for like one

511
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,920
hundred dollars. I take it up
personally. I might go get some more

512
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,440
colors. I need a blue one
a and another red one. See,

513
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,799
I ain't. I ain't know nothing
about Thanksgiving. Shopped by my mom.

514
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,440
I get my coltes in the summertime. You got to shop a season or

515
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,880
two before, just in case,
you know, and they be cheaper because

516
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:59,039
you're going Thanksgiving everybody and Thanksgiving you
know what he is gonna be fantastically Yes,

517
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,960
he just like that. But that
looseness, that looseness, to me,

518
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:07,480
speaks volumes about your confidence in yourself
and everything. I think it just

519
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,000
does well, it's genuine right,
Yes, And the cookie stuff was hilarious

520
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,599
too, Yes, all for the
cookies. I was wondering if that was

521
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,440
Genna Kachrall, who would have asked
him about Was it her who said the

522
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,280
Thanksgiving? I don't know about that. I talked about the cookies. I

523
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,159
thought she asked about the cookies.
I don't know. I didn't. I

524
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,639
only caught this little piece. But
that was thanks to Kevin. Now with

525
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,159
the draft there was you had talked
about Greg ad Mitchell and I don't know

526
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:37,480
how to pronounce his first name.
Was it yeah at night Mitchell? What

527
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,119
was the story with him? There
was because you said, I was kind

528
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,559
of hoping he would fall even a
little bit further. I thought you said

529
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,320
that to me when we were looking
at the draft at one point. Wasn't

530
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,960
there some like just some questionable I
don't know, character stuff or something.

531
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,280
Yeah, I mean there there was. My recollection was that there was some

532
00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:01,400
issues that he had either on campus
or or at a social event. But

533
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,599
you know, again, one of
the things I trust in being right,

534
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,719
and they knew the receiver that he
wanted to get and go get now.

535
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,880
Dan and I talked about this a
little bit earlier in the day, is

536
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,599
like, you know, they don't
have like that splash receiver right now,

537
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:21,559
right, they don't really have that
guy. So it's like, okay,

538
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:22,840
what the what are the bills going
to do? Now? Right? You've

539
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:30,280
got you've got two proven receivers.
You know, you've got well three if

540
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,559
you consider Knox, you got Knox, Kincaid, and oh my god,

541
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,079
the rookie is not. Why am
I drawing a blank? Well, if

542
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,400
Knox and Cacaid, then you have
as far as you're well, talk about

543
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,719
the young guy. He's a second
year now, oh my godah So,

544
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,079
and then you bring the rookies in
which is you know you got yeah coom,

545
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,960
He's got to prove himself. So
what I think is going to happen

546
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:58,719
is that the tredevious white money,
uh, after June first, they get

547
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,719
about I think they get fifteen million
dollars off of his salary cap hit for

548
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,440
this year after June first, because
that's when the transaction, actually the trade

549
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,239
actually happens. I think what that
sets up for is a trade is that

550
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,320
you got the forty nine ers that
are shopping Samuels around as well as Auk,

551
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,519
and you've got the Bengals shopping t
Higgins around, and you know,

552
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,480
you got an extra fifteen million that
can absorb what those contracts are. And

553
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:28,880
then what you do is you then
give them we got Bean did such a

554
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,119
phenomenal job of stockpiling draft picks for
next year. It's unbelievable what he's got.

555
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,840
And then you give him a couple
of fifth rounders, or you throw

556
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,599
him a fourth or a fifth,
then a seventh or something. You give

557
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:42,480
him two extra picks there, and
then that deal happens, and all of

558
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,559
a sudden, you go from not
having a veteran proven receiver to having one

559
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:51,480
of the top ten receivers in the
league, and again with Josh's talent and

560
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,280
the way that break that they Brady
called the offense last year, It's not

561
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,400
a one person offense. It's not
one guy running the ball, one guy

562
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,960
catching the ball. It's a team
effort and the defenses have a tough time

563
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,239
covering that. So you don't need
like that, that that number one guy

564
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
to make every catch. You just
got to have somebody that can make that

565
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,960
catch in traffic when you need it, and I think those guys can come

566
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,639
in and do that. So you
know, again it's people were so critical

567
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,639
of being because of that move with
Worthy in Kansas City, then Carolina masterful

568
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,679
in my opinion, absotly masterful.
At least I had no issues with it

569
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,519
when it happened. I know people
would immediately go to the Patrick Mahomes car

570
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:35,920
to yah, can everybody just take
a deep breath here? What we're doing

571
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,320
to our well, we're giving our
enemy, our biggest enemy, our thirteen

572
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,239
second enemy. Right. Where's the
thing though, if people look back during

573
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,039
the regular season, that Bills actually
have gone to Kansas City and beaten them

574
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:51,039
twice now last few years, and
when Kansas City's beating the Bills. It's

575
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:52,800
not that Kansas City beat the Bills. Is that the Bills beat themselves?

576
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,199
Yeah, okay, so the Xavier
Worthy is irrelevant to that. If Xavier

577
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,400
Worthy beat you, then he'd be
okay. But you have to have the

578
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,440
confidence in the balls part of my
language to do what Brandon be did y'all

579
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,039
trade with you? Yeah? Yeah, okay. It's gonna make us bet.

580
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,400
We don't care. The thing about
the Bills mafia and I love the

581
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480
Bills. I mean, I'm like, I'm one of them. Is that

582
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:22,960
the Chiefs we're gonna get worthy anyways, but being ended up getting something that's

583
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,360
gonna benefit us. I mean,
we end up getting a defensive tackle.

584
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,079
It's got great work ethic. He
was a three year captain I mean at

585
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,440
Duke, So Duke's not like a
huge powerhouse football to see school, though

586
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,400
I've gotten a lot better. This
kid is an animal, and he's smart

587
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:42,079
and he's a hard worker. I
mean, that's exactly the guy that they

588
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:45,920
love and that we in Western New
York love, so you know, you

589
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,320
know, and by the way,
the Chiefs have you know, the common

590
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,880
theme for the Chiefs is Chris Jones
on off on defense, Patrick mahomes on

591
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,199
on offense. Right, we got
Josh on offense. We don't necessarily have

592
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,920
that guy yet. On defense,
Ed Oliver stepped up last year, did

593
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:05,679
well, you know, von Miller
would have bet that guy, but he's

594
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,719
not, you know, And we
get Solomon. We get the edge rusher

595
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,760
Solomon, who's got so much upside. The kid said he cried when he

596
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880
got picked by the Bills because he
wants to he wants to be in the

597
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,880
same ring. Isn't this the great
thing? Like I feel like for so

598
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,079
many years with the Bills, your
heart sank when you kind of got picked

599
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,559
by the Bills. I think,
yeah, And now that's the place you

600
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,679
want to go. You want if
you're a receiver, you know you're gonna

601
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,639
have a quarterback who can get you
the ball. Yeah. And I think

602
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,760
even defensively, and once this new
stadium comes, it's going to be even

603
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:43,039
that much sweeter. Uh. Chris
Ballard is the general manager of the Indianapolis

604
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:47,800
Cults. Uh. They did take
a d Mitchell and somebody asked about the

605
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,239
character concerns with Adie Mitchell. I'll
play his response and then we can kind

606
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,400
of discuss it. Here is Chris
Ballard. I don't know. I mean

607
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,199
I've read some of the bullshit set
on tea. I mean, just a

608
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:07,440
typical fucking off, excuse my language, our typical league, unnamed sources,

609
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,920
you know, bad interview. That's
such bullshit me, it fucking is.

610
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,199
It's bullshit, like put your name, like, put your name on it.

611
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,119
I'm tired of we tear these young
men down. These are twenty one,

612
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,159
twenty two young men. And if
you if people out there can tell

613
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:30,239
me, they don't they're perfect in
their lives. It's crap. It's crap.

614
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,239
This is a good kid, and
you know, for for that,

615
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,800
for those reports to come out,
thank you know my I said it last

616
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,400
year. It's it's bullshit. I'm
sorry. I apologize for the language.

617
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,880
I don't but I do. I
don't buy deal now. I watched the

618
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Johnny Manziel documentary over the weekend or
where is that? Where is that?

619
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,599
I've seen that. Yeah, And
it's an interesting thing because it goes back

620
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,880
to character investing all this this guy
and I agree with him. It's a

621
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,840
twenty one, twenty two year old
kid, a mistake, somebody who stepped

622
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,360
that line. I like, I
have I have sons that way, there's

623
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,079
been trouble. I mean of that
age that there's been trouble. I get

624
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,679
it, but you don't want you
don't want to be throwing money out of

625
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,679
Johnny Manziel, who in the documentary
says at one point he got them.

626
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,159
He just figured fuck it, I'm
just going to party right to the end,

627
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,320
and he bought a gun he intended
to kill himself with. He was

628
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,199
just gonna go through all the eight
million dollars. And I mean, he

629
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,239
was the guy he beat Alabama.
He did stuff no one thought could happen.

630
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,480
So the so the the character issues
on Mitchell I was confusing with the

631
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,599
guy in Texas. The other guy
in Texas that got the d wy okay

632
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,800
was that he came across as arrogant
and disinterested. So he was in,

633
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,519
he was in with some of the
teams, he didn't participate fully and and

634
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,800
some of the you know, they
have the individual workouts and they had the

635
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,199
combine and he was just like,
you know, he didn't display when you're

636
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,760
gonna invest in that kind of you
want that character that you're gonna give everything

637
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:04,400
you're in it, You're gonna give
it all. You're gonna give it your

638
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,440
all and you're not gonna quit until
you freaking succeed and you win. He

639
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,840
didn't on the reports that I remember
that I was just looking over, is

640
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,440
that he didn't necessarily exude that like
Coleman. Right, Yes, exact obvious.

641
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:16,480
Right. Coleman was like, I'm
all in, man, I'm here,

642
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,719
I'm gonna do whatever it takes.
You know, I'm gonna I'm saving

643
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,039
seventy I'm spending seven nine dollars rather
than going and spending three hundred, right,

644
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:28,199
And so he didn't quite exhibit that, which is why although he had

645
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,559
the talent, he you know,
could you be nervous? I mean almost

646
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,039
to the point of the GM.
I mean not everybody's gonna have a big

647
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,760
personality like that. But I don't
know this kid from anything. I didn't

648
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,079
know. The thing is is that
when you look at the draft and you

649
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:42,000
look at people, you take a
risk on. I mean, we talked

650
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,400
about Ryan Leaf last week about this, right. Ryan Leaf was just like

651
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,519
that. He was He had an
arrogance, he had a cockiness, he

652
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:51,880
was disinterested. He was like,
I am who I am. I'm good

653
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,119
and my talent is going to show
through. Well, in the NFL,

654
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,960
it's not just about talent. It's
about work. Because there's a lot of

655
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,480
talented people in this country that play
football that want to get to that level.

656
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,119
But you know, you see these
guys in the fifth and sixth round,

657
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,199
or these guys that are undrafted that
end up being huge stars. Why

658
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,559
because they had the Is there talent
better than the other guy that was at

659
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,320
Alabama? No, but they worked
harder at it, and they they got

660
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,159
their craft and and they utilize their
talent to the to the optimize it.

661
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:22,800
And this guy, you know,
there's a question you're gonna if you're draft

662
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,400
something in the first round, there's
guarant I mean the contracts in the NFL.

663
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,920
If you're in the first round,
it's by position, it's by draft

664
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,199
status, and you get a certain
contract, and that's what it is.

665
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,320
It's pre negotiated. The NFL already
has that that in the Players Union have

666
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,599
it a set up. If you're
a quarterback, number one, this is

667
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:45,159
your range. You're an offensive tackle, you're at number four, this is

668
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,400
your range. Same thing with defense, and so you're going to draft the

669
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,440
guy as a receiver, which is
one of the higher paid numbers. I

670
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,800
mean It's like, are you even
want to pay that at a rookie contract

671
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,920
and this guy's unproven. And by
the way, it's a four year contract

672
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,679
with a fifth year option. If
you're in the first you're you're locked in.

673
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,360
You can't you can't come in and
be like, ah, this guy

674
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,360
sucks, he's not what I thought. Cut him and then you then you

675
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,079
don't have to take his salary cap
pit. You still got that right.

676
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,920
The only thing you could do is
decide in this third year we're not going

677
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,079
to go for a fifth year option. That's so that was kind of my

678
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,840
point with this is a character does
play a big piece. You are investing

679
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,960
in this, and so I understand
what Ballard's saying. You know, these

680
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,360
are twenty one, twenty two year
old guys, But at the same time,

681
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,440
it's it's a different it's a it's
a business. It's a business.

682
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,239
Look Bill, you know, we
hire attorneys, we hire staff, We

683
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,760
do the same thing. We go
to Facebook, we go to Instagram,

684
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,519
we go to TikTok. We want
to know what they're doing because if they're

685
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:44,400
doing things that aren't reflective of what
values we have, I mean, are

686
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,639
we do we want them to come
in that can sully the reputation of something

687
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:52,000
that Tom and I and Chris and
Alex and the rest of the partners and

688
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,119
Mike have worked hard for in Rochester. No, we don't want to bring

689
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,119
that person in to do that.
So it's you know, it goes through.

690
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,760
I don't care if you're a staff
member or you're a doctor or an

691
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,280
attorney or an account Look, man, character is an important thing. And

692
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:10,159
social media, I mean I can
say this, I am glad and blessed

693
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,159
did not exist when I was at
Alford University. Yeah, I agree,

694
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:22,480
absolutely, blest absolutely, I'll say
this to the whole Ballard thing. Ballard's

695
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,599
a good GM. He really is. He's a lot better than its predecessor.

696
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,320
The thing about this is that do
you remember the whole who is mel

697
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,320
Kuiper's speech? So that was Bill
Tobin. Bill Pollian replaced Bill Tobin,

698
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,960
drafted Peyton Manning and the Colts became
stars. But before that, the Colts

699
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,920
were in the doldrums every year,
right like the Patriots and the Jets every

700
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,800
year. And Bill Tobin drafted a
guy named Trev Alberts instead of Trent Dilferd.

701
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,880
Trev Alberts ended up Crapp with the
bed Trent Dilferd went out and won

702
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,760
a Super Bowl, And so a
lot of people like when after, including

703
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,760
mel Kuiper, mel Kuiper and Bill
Toby goes who is mel Kuiper? And

704
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,679
that speech was being played over and
over again they played every year at the

705
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,760
draft. Well, Bill Tobin recently
died, so here comes baler a colts

706
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,920
gm kind of give it a similar
speech in a way. And I thought

707
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,079
that was just kind of funny because
Bill Tobin had just passed away. But

708
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,559
it brought up the memories of when
he said that who is mel Kiper?

709
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,519
You know? Because but the point
is that all these guys, they really

710
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,280
have nothing to lose, no skin
in the game. Yeah, they project

711
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,639
the draft and then they can they're
allowed to be wrong ten and it's okay,

712
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:25,800
Well these guys this is their life, man, Yeah, and you

713
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,159
don't get to that level by being
an idiot. I mean, what's his

714
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,039
name from Canadagua, Ryan Paul's of
the Bears, right. He put it

715
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:39,079
all on Caleb Williams, who then
I think either tweeted or texted the punter

716
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:43,440
They took out of orders from Iowa. I think, so is this azzy

717
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,880
kid. He flips the field,
he does all this. He's like,

718
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,719
this year's a big punter. There's
one. Hey, hey, you're not

719
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,920
gonna you're not going to punch too
much here. I kind of liked.

720
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,840
But I go, they drafted a
Doonesay too, So that's gonna be a

721
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,719
fun combination to watch those two protege. That's gonna be a lot. Chicago's

722
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,760
never had a quarterback since Sid Luckman, so this is gonna be really fun

723
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960
to watch. I think Polls,
I think, first of all, I

724
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,639
mean I'm biased, but I thought
being did the best job in terms of

725
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:15,760
the draft, in terms of managing
the draft as he did to maximize what

726
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,719
the Bills had. But I thought
Polls, I thought he really did a

727
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,400
great job. He sets them up
really well and their off season moves.

728
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,599
You know, they got Kegan Allen
from the Chargers. I mean they got

729
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:30,519
two top receivers for a kid.
He's coming in now, you know.

730
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:36,360
I loved Bill Belichick's assessment on Kayleb
Williams. I loved what he said.

731
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,280
See he was he picked out the
weaknesses. He went back and forth,

732
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,960
and I think he was on with
Pat McAfee. Yeah, he really did

733
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,480
a nice job. Well yeah,
well he talked about Drake may too,

734
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,679
because the Patriots draft. What does
Belichick think about Yeah, Patriots did and

735
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,599
he was complimentary, but he also
pointed out its flaws like he would anybody.

736
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:53,800
But did you see the point where, like where I think it was

737
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:57,519
it was day two where it was
kind of a lower Maybe it was day

738
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:01,119
three where Belichick and McAfee took every
behind the scenes and they put together field

739
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:06,199
Yates, who's another ESPN reporter,
his draft board, and Belichick laid out

740
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,000
how the draft board works, and
it was really interesting. He's got on

741
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,039
the left column all the teams needs, every single one of them, so

742
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:14,719
you know, hey, they could
jump us here if we need a receiver.

743
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,639
So that's what they're right, right, And then and then he's got

744
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:21,639
it all spread out like in terms
of like here's a round one projection,

745
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,440
round two projection, round three projection, and here's how good we think they

746
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,079
really are. And there's a lot
If there's a lot of space between a

747
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,920
player, you know that the third
best receiver maybe not be as close as

748
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,800
the first thing. And it was
really interesting the way they put it together.

749
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,400
How much thought goes into a draft
board because it's complicated, it's not

750
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:43,480
easy. Yeah, I think Kaylor
Williams could be another Ryan Leath. I

751
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:49,599
do too, I I really do. And I hope for Pats his nails.

752
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,800
No, no, there's I'm just
I'm just joking. I mean I

753
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:00,159
have an issue. I I this
is revealing too much. But people that

754
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,880
have that much confidence in themselves and
haven't been performed yet, I think is

755
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,239
troubling. Tom Brady was never like
that. He's won more Super Bowls than

756
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,400
any other quarterback in the NFL.
He still is not like that. That

757
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:19,000
kid is getting more arrogance and more
confidence with Tom Brady and tom Brady's the

758
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,840
talk about wanting ownership in the team. Didn't that was the show back.

759
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,320
That's a pretty big bulls, is
it not? And you're gonna go to

760
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,440
the Hallis Valley? Well, because
good luck, because he was the first

761
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:38,679
uh since that Andrew Luck actually since
uh Trebor Lawrence, the first guy to

762
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,760
pretty projected like two years out is
being the top pick in the draft when

763
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,880
he's the first nil guy. Yes, he was the first multi million millionaire

764
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,400
nil guy. When it came out, he was that guy Now people like

765
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,400
to say his teammates love him,
but his team. But Ryan Leaf's teammates

766
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,880
also love Ryan Leaf too, but
they're the knock on Capabilliams was he paints

767
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,559
his fingernails and he cries on his
mother's shoulder in public, and it's like

768
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,360
it's like stuff like that, People
like, I don't want that guy leading

769
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,840
my team. But people just everyone's
got a podcast, so everybody talks.

770
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,719
I have something to say, so
but then when you get the guy in

771
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,920
the locker room, Oh he's cool, bro, this is what I say

772
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:22,800
about that. Uh, if you're
born after nineteen eighty five, most people

773
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,320
do those things. Now, Yes, I mean you're you're if you're born

774
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:30,639
before nineteen eighty five. You were
taught that men are strong, you don't

775
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,920
show emotion. You you're you're a
provider, you're a protector, and this

776
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,119
is what you do, and you
solve problems. That's what we do.

777
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:40,519
Yes, that's what we were taught
and that's who we are. After nineteen

778
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:45,239
eighty five, there's a complete demarcation
of people that are, you know,

779
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,280
more thoughtful, they're more kind,
they're more considerate, they're you know,

780
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,079
all these other things that are wonderful
attributes, and I strive to be more

781
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,760
like that. That's the way he
is. Paint yournaws. I don't care.

782
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,440
Yeah, I don't either. As
you can freaking put the ball renew

783
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:05,079
solid, you can make that sal
I don't give a shit. Just win

784
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,199
a Super Bowl, just win a
game. That's always cares. I mean,

785
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,119
josh Anla's not that guy. But
you know, I mean josh is

786
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,960
and josh is the guy everybody loves
because he is always thinking about everyone other

787
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,840
than himself, right, and you
gotta love that, you know. And

788
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:21,280
he is that guy, and he
he is actually, to me, the

789
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,320
hybrid between the pre nineteen eighty five
guy and the post nineteen eighty five guy.

790
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:29,599
And his parents are very that's an
upbringing, you know. His dad

791
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:31,719
is pre nineteen eighty five, yeah, and he's post nineteen. Yeah.

792
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,280
They're very Midwestern for being a Californa
Forornes. Yeah, they're very Midwest n

793
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,280
Potato farmers. Yeah. I mean, like, he played three sports in

794
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,480
school and he and he worked in
the summer, and so he's not he's

795
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,360
not your prototypical Okay, I'm going
to quarterback camp at a J eight and

796
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,159
I'm gonna be groomed to be a
quarterback. And I think the reason why

797
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,840
I've got this issue with Kate with
Williams is because Josh is the kind of

798
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,360
guy I can I can get behind. He's the guy I want to be

799
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,239
the leader. If I'm in a
fox hole, I want Josh Allen next

800
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,480
to me. I don't want Williams
because Williams are gonna come behind me and

801
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,880
how many a shot for He's gonna
be a shot. Josh is gonna jump

802
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,519
in front of you because that's the
way he is, just like I would

803
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:15,639
think I would do the same thing. And uh again, I think Poles

804
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:17,840
did what he had to do.
But you know, yeah, it's a

805
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,960
blessing in the curse. I have
the first overall pick. It really is,

806
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,960
because there's expectations. Dr Ways.
I'll say this, though a lot

807
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,320
of people gave Ryan Collin Coward gave
Ryan Pulls a lot of crappy year ago

808
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,920
for doing the experiment with Justin Fields, I said, no, it's the

809
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,840
perfect idea. You kidding me?
So now you get a year to one

810
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,199
more year to evaluate another GMS guy, Well, you could ditch if you

811
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:38,239
know, if he's not good,
if you're a hero. Now, all

812
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,760
of a sudden, you have the
top pick. You could you could pull

813
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,840
a herschel Walker trade if you want
to, but he wasn't the guy field.

814
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,679
So now you have the first overall
pick. I guess who's there a

815
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,039
generational talent? And if you screwed
up, who's gonna blame you for picking

816
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,800
in a generation? He couldn't.
He can't lose with this. He can't

817
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,000
lose. Yeah, yeah, you
can't. But the same time, he'll

818
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,239
get another shot as a GM if
this fails, because you know he played

819
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,960
his cards right. This is the
one thing about you know, Pulls and

820
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,840
you know the fact he's actually he's
a Rochesterian just makes it so much more

821
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,559
interesting. Peter played for his father
and compelling, really Peter. Yeah,

822
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,119
and uh. And the thing I
love about it is that Williams was the

823
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,280
consensus number one pick. It wasn't
like it was controversial, right. I

824
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,679
mean, when you think about Ryan
Leaf and Peyton Manning in nineteen eighty eight

825
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,159
or eighty nine whatever, they went
back and forth, there was actually some

826
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:34,199
controversy because of of of between the
two of them, there was no controversy.

827
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,800
There was no even though there was
even though the number two pick was

828
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,199
also a quarterback and a highest Trophy
winner. There was no controversy that there

829
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,880
really wasn't. No, it was
Calli Williams. All the experts said he

830
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,239
was the number one guy, and
he and he gone. If he had

831
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
not one with Williams, I think
it would have been a huge controversyal I

832
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,320
think it would have been Yeah,
his whole, his whole. If they

833
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,559
didn't win five of the first six
games, we probably gotten fired. Right.

834
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,280
Remember the one year and I don't
want to go off track when Reggie

835
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,480
Bush was supposed to be the projected
number one by everyone and Charlie Castle is

836
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:09,920
the GM just got his Heisman trophy
back. Yeah, yeah, he did.

837
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:14,960
Charlie castle is the GM who he
helped build a Super Bowl champion with

838
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:16,840
Washington. He goes and says,
do I'm taking Mario Williams? Are you

839
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,559
crazy? Are you not? Well? Mario Williams ended up being right,

840
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,840
and Reggie Bush was. He had
a nice career, Yeah, but he

841
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,440
wasn't the SIPs true. By the
way, Greg, you had more yardage

842
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,559
return than he did. That's the
big joke. I had more yardage than

843
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:37,119
Reggie Bush because he actually like was
minus one yards or something in returns,

844
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,119
all right, we'll take a moment. Uh when we come back Rochester,

845
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,639
we made the news, Billy made
the news or on TMZ We're everywhere.

846
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We'll get to that next. But
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867
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873
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That's for your dad, that's for
you. You don't know this Jack Carlow

874
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,639
song. No, I don't even
know who Jack Jack Jack Garlow. No,

875
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,039
I don't love it on me.
I don't know, all right.

876
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,760
I'm more of a rock guy.
Yeah, no, I understand. I

877
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,599
always there's a lot of great rock
coming out lately. I got to go

878
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,159
find like I have to once in
a while, find out what's going on

879
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,159
in the pop world. Yeah,
it's everywhere. It kind of gives me

880
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,840
the pulse of what the well,
you know, totally what the younger society

881
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,039
is doing. I kind of dig
it when I did like this, when

882
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,159
I go back and announced Games of
Fisher, I have to ask the kids

883
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:30,880
upstairs and go, okay, so
who's cool now? Is Kanye Is he's

884
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:36,079
still cool now? Jack Garlow did
the remake of White Man Can't Jump?

885
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:42,239
Yeah on either Netflix or something?
What was it Netflix? I think so?

886
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,480
Yeah, I don't remember the thing. Uh. Sandra Dorley has been

887
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,159
the District Attorney and has been in
the District Attorney's office for decades. Yes,

888
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:58,000
I think she became the first female
district attorney in twenty twelve, and

889
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,800
then switch parties in twenty fifteen and
then got re elected and has held the

890
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:05,639
position ever since. Yeah. I
was one because I thought she was a

891
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:07,079
Democrat. Then she became a Republican. She did. Yeah, she church

892
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:10,760
parties, which isn't uncommon. I
think Mike Green had been a Republican and

893
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,599
switched to be a Democrat and when
he became DA And I don't know.

894
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,760
Sometimes it happens in pockets. When
you live in a county as predominantly Democrat,

895
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,519
you want to send into a political
privation, you know. And again,

896
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:29,679
the parties, as ridiculous as it
may sound, are so close when

897
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,159
you come into it and you think
about it, it's a matter of you

898
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:35,119
know, what do you want to
do, how do you want to achieve

899
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:39,159
your goal? So, yeah,
and she she was I believe she was

900
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:44,880
Mike Green's kind of right hand persons. She was well during his time there

901
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:52,920
too. So she last Monday,
the twenty seconds she's driving home, It's

902
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,480
about five thirty six o'clock in the
evening. She's on Phillips Road. She's

903
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:02,159
doing fifty five into thirty five.
She gets lit up and continues to drive

904
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:08,599
to her house and then gets out
of her car. And at first I

905
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:13,280
think this was there was not a
lot being done. I know that people

906
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,360
pull him back up. By lit
up, you mean the lights lights.

907
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,239
Oh, it's like some people might
interpret that as something else. Okay,

908
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,599
she got lit up the lights because
she was doing fifty five and she was

909
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:25,679
twenty miles over to the speed right, So I think at first she said

910
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:29,800
it's a speeding ticket. I paid
it already, it's no big deal.

911
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,719
And people kept pushing. And then
the body camp footage came out and it

912
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,320
doesn't look good. So it's twenty
minutes. And I watched it on YouTube

913
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,719
on my fifty inch screen at home, and I layed on the couch and

914
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,119
I watched it. I went,
wait a second, these cop camps are

915
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,679
an HD. Now, bro is
amazing. No. I know Santon normally.

916
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,000
I've known her. I met her, spent some time with her.

917
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,159
She's a lovely lady, works very
hard, and there's a lot of ugly,

918
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,519
ugly, ugly cases for Monroe County
Fair. She yeah, I mean,

919
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,599
actually, I mean I no,
Sandra. She she's a great public

920
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:07,239
servant. She truly is I mean, I give her a tremendous amount of

921
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,960
credit because she could be doing a
lot of other things and making a lot

922
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,320
more money than she's doing. So
I got a lot of people asking me,

923
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:17,039
you know, to I can't wait
to hear this discust on the podcast,

924
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:20,920
so I didn't want to pull the
full twenty minute thing, and a

925
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,239
lot of it. I even sped
through because it's the cops sitting in his

926
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,280
car, but he winds up calling
for a supervisor. She's on the phone

927
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,440
with his chief when he pulls in
her driveway. It gets ugly. I'll

928
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,920
play you the three minutes on TMZ. We can pause at any time,

929
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,599
but you'll hear this. She has
pulled into her driveway. Her car is

930
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,039
now in her garage. The garage
door is open. Sorry, I'm the

931
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:45,440
da I was going fifty five coming
home from her fifty five thirty five.

932
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,760
I don't really can hear her?
Okay, so you can? Can?

933
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,880
You? Can you please come over
here? You're this is on a traffic

934
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,239
stop, man, Yes it is. You can call Tennis Colemyer right now.

935
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,480
Okay, I'm telling you why I
stopped you. You didn't stop at

936
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,639
all? Did you not hear my
lights or sirens or actually I was on

937
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:06,079
the phone. Okay, well you're
not supposed to be on the phone while

938
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,679
you're driving either. Yes, I
am with a hands free absolutely. Okay.

939
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:13,280
Why are you so upset at me? I'm doing my job. You

940
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,920
you just admitted to me that you
were going fifty five and a thirty five.

941
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,360
I'm Philip Trope. Okay, the
right of the ticket. It's sir,

942
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,679
Chris. Can you stay over here? Ma'am? You're this is a

943
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,760
traffic this is a this is a
legal traffic stop. Do you have your

944
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,039
ID? No, it's my purse
here? You have your purse right there?

945
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:31,280
No, this is my lunch.
Would you talk to your talk to

946
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:38,199
Dennis. It's ridiculous. So what
hello, sir? Good ma'am. Can

947
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:42,239
you please stay at the back.
This is, ma'am, this is legal

948
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,800
traffic stop. Can you please stay
over here? No? Hey, baby,

949
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:52,000
could you dog? I stopped her
for going fifty five and a thirty

950
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:54,519
five? I'm Philip trop and she
failed to stop. She drove all the

951
01:01:54,519 --> 01:02:00,000
way back home and parked in drove
and now she's not she's not complying with

952
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:07,480
any of my commands. Man,
do not go inside. Yep, she

953
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:10,079
had a bad day, yep.
Yeah, oh yeah, all right,

954
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:14,480
ma'am, come outside. You can't
just go inside. This is a traffic

955
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,880
stop. Here's your phone back.
I understand the law better than you.

956
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,719
Nine five three. Can you have
a supervisor come to the scene. No,

957
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,119
get out of my house? Oh
all right, all right. So

958
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,400
it goes from there right now.
I wanted to get to that point just

959
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:34,880
to play. Oh so now the
Rochester City Council wants the district attorney investigated

960
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,280
by Attorney General Letitia James. And
they've all signed a letter. Now I

961
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,679
believe they're all Democrats, but I
don't know that that they are. I

962
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:45,880
believe they are in city council.
So my first thing on this, Greg

963
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:52,119
was, I don't. People are
calling for a resignation. We can't have

964
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:55,559
this. This would be an arrestable
offense for a citizen who would try to

965
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,000
get in their own driveway. And
I don't. It's a traffic stop.

966
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:01,679
Yeah wait, if you didn't pull
over and comply, if she didn't know,

967
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,559
if there's no intent, it's it's
a traffic stop as it traffic's up

968
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:10,079
until until there isn't until and again
Steve circu can answer this much better than

969
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:15,199
I. But unless there's some intent
to defy or to evade, then it

970
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:21,480
becomes it then escalates to evading,
which is more which is an arrestible offense

971
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,039
as opposed to a traffic stop.
Now she and she said, I was

972
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:28,519
on the phone. It is not
illegal to be on the phone. No,

973
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,119
it's not. It is not so
in a and and for me,

974
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,920
and I hate to say this is
that when you when you're dealing with certain

975
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:45,400
individuals or or have certain temperaments,
and they project things that aren't really accurate,

976
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:49,360
and you've had a bad day,
you become defiant. I mean,

977
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,199
her personality in that respect was somebody
who was aggravated and defiant. Yeah,

978
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,360
well look I took this as somebody
she talks in there it goes. The

979
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,360
whole body cam footage is available.
You can watch it. I watched it

980
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:08,199
on YouTube. It's about twenty six
minutes long. And she just like anybody

981
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,960
in anger, you give yourself twenty
minutes and the adrenaline drops and you start

982
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,719
to go all right. And I
think she apologizes. She says, sure

983
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,079
she wants it back, she'll pay
she she's already paid the fine. She

984
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:23,000
says, I'm the one who's gonna
prosecute this anyway, or you know,

985
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:27,639
whatever you do to it, she
said, And she said, I've had

986
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:31,159
several murder cases today. That's what
I've been handling. Again, A bad

987
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,519
day, I gotcha, So I
chalk it up to a bad day.

988
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:40,039
I don't like to see somebody who
has knows the inner workings of the DA's

989
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,400
office as well she has for as
many years as she had. I don't

990
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,039
think we just kind of throw the
baby out with the bathwater. I don't.

991
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:48,679
However, as you think about this, you go, this is all

992
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:55,000
anybody's gonna remember. And the citizens
all want our higher ups to act as

993
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,000
though we the way we would act. And I think many people feel like

994
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,239
if they tried to do this,
we think we act well, yeah,

995
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,800
or the way we think right,
the way we think we would act good.

996
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:09,760
Because probably go ahead, Dan,
four to five people who say that

997
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,159
would reacted the same way. She
yes, I guarantee that's what I was.

998
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:16,079
Just what I was gonna carry is
that most people dealing with my clients,

999
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:23,239
our clients, the likelihood of people
would be responsive in a traffic stop

1000
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,760
the way she She responded, you
know it's like, look, give me,

1001
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,199
I've had a long freaking day.
Give me my goddamn ticket, or

1002
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,039
why'd you pull me over? Cut
me a break? And if if,

1003
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:35,840
if the if the police officer comes
up and is not as you know,

1004
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,119
it has a little bit of a
you know, I don't want to say

1005
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:45,159
attitude, because he seemed more uh. He's saying. She said to him.

1006
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:46,880
At one point, you can run
my plates and se who I was.

1007
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,719
He goes, I didn't run your
plates. He said, I had

1008
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,760
no idea. He said, I
just had somebody who wasn't pulling over,

1009
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:58,079
so I decided to keep following you
until I could get to you. I

1010
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,239
didn't understand what was happening. And
she goes, well, I'm on the

1011
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:02,400
phone with your boss, going why
is this guy pulling me over? And

1012
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,280
she in there she admits I was
doing fifty five and then she says,

1013
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,519
I thought you were going after somebody
else. There were a lot of cars

1014
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:12,159
on the road. She sort of
contradicts hers. These are all the things

1015
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:14,360
that I think citizens are going to
see. And I'll ask you and I'm

1016
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,280
so glad you're here, be having
courtroom experience and having done things with juries

1017
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,920
in the past as somebody who's going
to be represented by her, and let's

1018
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:30,000
say she's the prosecution. Usually in
a case, would anybody on the can

1019
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:32,559
you find an unbiased jury? Can
you find a jury that doesn't look at

1020
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,599
her and go, well, this
is somebody who thinks they're above the law.

1021
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,679
And is that something that would almost
in a way be detrimental to her

1022
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,800
being able to do the job as
well, just in terms of public opinion.

1023
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,840
And it's everywhere now, I mean
it's this audio I got off TMZ

1024
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:54,000
on the New York Post's I personally
don't think that this compromises her ability to

1025
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,880
do her job, right, Okay, not in terms of like even the

1026
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,360
jury looking at it. No,
yeah, well, I mean for her

1027
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,719
to get a fair jury. I
think that I think her job, her

1028
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:08,239
role period, even if she didn't
say the thing she said, she could

1029
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:13,000
never get a fair jury, Okay, just because she's the DA. I

1030
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,880
mean, it's just you know,
and and again to me, I mean,

1031
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,679
this is not I don't know who's
criminal offense. This is not a

1032
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:28,400
criminal sense criminal offense. This is
a traffic stop on a Monday evening,

1033
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:32,440
now after you know, a long
weekend, after dealing with, you know,

1034
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:35,920
the stress and all the stuff that
she has to deal with. I

1035
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:43,199
mean, again, do I knowing
Sandra as I know her and knowing her

1036
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:47,960
personality, is she had that's a
bad day. That is what I did.

1037
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:50,880
I thought it was a bad day. And then I just want to

1038
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:55,880
I'm going to read something that was
sent to me because I mean, I've

1039
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:02,440
seen her in so many other circumstances
where which are not always complimentary or lack

1040
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:08,519
of stress or lack of issues,
and she's always got a very calm,

1041
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:15,519
controlled perspective and demure. So you
know, there's a lot of influences on

1042
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,600
what can change your personality in terms
of like a day like that, dealing

1043
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,000
with what she has to deal with. And then someone who and you know,

1044
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:28,399
she probably again the tone of the
officer's voice. I've been pulled over

1045
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,600
once or twice, you know,
and when I've had a police officer that

1046
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,960
has the tone of voice that he
has, I probably get defensive as well.

1047
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,520
Yeah he's and he's I don't say, trying to who I am.

1048
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,319
I've never said that. He did, never say that she did that.

1049
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:48,399
They get the now all of a
sudden, the Dame superiors come out.

1050
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:54,520
One guy's in the garage and he's
kind of going, Santra, you got

1051
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,119
it. You should have just pulled
over. You know, you know better.

1052
01:08:57,159 --> 01:08:59,119
Don't tell me you don't know better. You know, like, there's

1053
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:00,159
not a lot you can do.
But I want to read this. This

1054
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:06,640
is from Lynn Mazuerkowitz. Officer Mazerkowitz
was killed in the city Okay, And

1055
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,600
she said, if you have heard, if you have never heard of Sandra

1056
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Doorley before, now consider yourself lucky. It probably means that your family has

1057
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,439
never endured the agony of a murder
trial. But for those of us who

1058
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,640
have, we know that this woman
walks through hell every day to ensure that

1059
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,680
the victims see justice. Yes,
she fought for our family, and I

1060
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,680
will forever admire and respect her.
I am grateful for her care and love

1061
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,680
during our trial and would pick her
every single time. Until you have seen

1062
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:41,399
the worst of the worst every single
day like she has, don't be so

1063
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,159
quick to judge. She had a
bad day. She's human. This was

1064
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,760
not her shining moment. Judge her
not for thirty minutes of her life,

1065
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,960
but for all the good she has
done. But I am one person that

1066
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,600
you will not see rejoicing in her
downfall. I felt terrible for her,

1067
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:00,000
and not only because I kind of
know her and my immediate thing was bad

1068
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:06,079
day. But you cringe when you
hear get the ringe a little bit because

1069
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,079
you go, come on, I
know you're better than this. And yet

1070
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:13,520
at the same time, I've never
I've never had to deal with a murder

1071
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,239
case. I've never had to deal
with several Look, you know, look

1072
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:20,079
I am no saying and I don't
deal with murder cases. You know,

1073
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,800
there's a lot of people. But
you know, I mean, like I

1074
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:30,600
think of this similar to what I
have, what we deal with in my

1075
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,199
office, is that you have clients
that are more difficult than others. And

1076
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,800
when you get off the phone with
a couple of clients in a row that

1077
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:45,079
are just difficult, right, They're
they're cantankerous, they're miserable, they don't

1078
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:48,720
listen you. You do everything you
can to explain, to answer their questions,

1079
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,680
and they just don't get it.
And they don't get it not because

1080
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,119
they don't get it, it's because
they don't want to hear it. They

1081
01:10:56,119 --> 01:11:00,520
don't want to hear what the real
the reality of things is. And then

1082
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,760
you just get frustrated and that temper
just kind of then it builds and you

1083
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,760
have a number of them and you
don't have a breath to take, and

1084
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:12,039
then you don't act, you don't
make good decisions. And when I think

1085
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:17,960
of what I heard in that,
it's if she didn't have a confluence of

1086
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:23,000
circumstances, as I'm sure she had
that day, she would have handled it

1087
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:28,239
very differently. I agree, and
I know that I felt like maybe I

1088
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:30,359
was going to be in the minority, honestly, not necessarily with you being

1089
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:33,560
here. But I think for most
people because I saw some of the stuff

1090
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,439
on social media. Yes, I
saw the comments, and I did see

1091
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,079
the behavior. I saw it,
and I know how people. You know,

1092
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:44,760
we want those who are elected officials
to be better than that and to

1093
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,840
not be like us necessarily, yeat. At the same time, I want

1094
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,279
a president I can have a beer
with. No, you don't No,

1095
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:54,079
you really don't know. So that
was my thing. And as I looked

1096
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:56,319
at it, go, boy,
this is a bad day and not a

1097
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:59,680
good moment. And if it were
ten years ago, we don't see it.

1098
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:01,680
We don't see it. And what
she said is I paid the ticket

1099
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,239
and it's over. There's that,
then it's just rumor. But now,

1100
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:10,319
unfortunately we have proof and you can
go back and you can watch it over

1101
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,520
and over and over and pull apart
everything you want. I think in the

1102
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,760
era of cancel culture with social media, because I saw some of the media

1103
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,520
tweets about this stuff, and yes, it was hard, it was hard

1104
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,079
to watch. I get it,
it was rough. I only pulled the

1105
01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:27,680
TMZ thing just because that's condensed,
condensed in National National, I mean it's

1106
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,920
everywhere, right, So you've got
to because the beauty of social media is

1107
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,399
that everybody has a voice. But
the curse of social media is that everybody

1108
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:39,279
has a voice, right. And
because everybody has a voice, nowadays we're

1109
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:45,760
all self righteous experts and because of
cancel culture, and because somebody does something

1110
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,720
that we disagree with, we immediately
target them as an enemy. And I'm

1111
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,760
telling you choose your enemies wisely,
okay, because they're not your enemy.

1112
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:58,560
They made a mistake. So we
want perfection and I'm sick of it.

1113
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,640
Well, I want somebody who's got
some experience in there. I don't like

1114
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,199
the cancel culture period, right,
And I also if the idea is to

1115
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:10,199
make society better, right, then
give the person an opportunity to say I

1116
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,359
was wrong. So the other thing
about the DA is that one of the

1117
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:17,640
things that Sandra has done is that
most das are administrative rules. She actually

1118
01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:25,159
practices law and actually prosecutes them.
And because she has that compassion for the

1119
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:29,119
family, she wants to be that
person for them. That is not the

1120
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:31,560
norm, that's not the way.
Interesting. I didn't know that, Oh

1121
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,079
yeah, I didn't know that very
rarely in fact. And Howard Reland,

1122
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:42,039
who was a tremendous district attorney,
I don't know how many murder trials he

1123
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:45,319
did. I mean, there are
people who are in the legal community that

1124
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:48,680
could tell you, probably off the
top of their head, but my recollection

1125
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,640
when I saw it on the TV
was probably less than five. In his

1126
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,079
twenty plus year career, he was
still a great public servant. He did

1127
01:13:56,079 --> 01:14:00,000
phenomenal things in the DA's office.
But he was an administrator because that's usually

1128
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,439
what the role is. Not only
is she an administrator because that is part

1129
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:09,600
of the responsibility, but she actually
gets in to help victims. So passionate

1130
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,800
about that, right, And I'll
tell you what you know, going back

1131
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,199
to our points, it comes down
to this Heaven forbid this woman loses her

1132
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:20,680
job and the governor appoints somebody.
If you're in favor of that of her

1133
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,520
losing her job, Rochester, I
don't want to be your neighbor, because

1134
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,560
she's protected this community in this county
for so freaking long. And before that,

1135
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,159
of course, you had two great
DA's before her, and they've passed

1136
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,439
the torch and she's done an admirable
job. She's beaten cancer in the process

1137
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,439
of doing it too. And if
you want to use this as just one

1138
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,079
one incident we've heard about with this
woman, it just happens to be on

1139
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:44,760
national television. Your worst day,
if that's her worst day compared to some

1140
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,479
of the other politicians in this era, guess what, go ahead, day,

1141
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:54,800
Greg, All this shit we're gonna
focus on. It needs to be

1142
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,479
fixed. We're going to go after
her for this. Is it a good

1143
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,279
look? No, No, you
can never see that. I think she

1144
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,920
would admit that. I think she
does. If you watch it, she

1145
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,920
says, you know, she goes, she does say I'm sorry. She

1146
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,600
does say to the officer, we
got we gotta stop canceling people, because

1147
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,319
guess what we're gonna end up.
We're all gonna be canceled. Yeah,

1148
01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:18,359
I mean just interesting that it's making
it went beyond, it went beyond our

1149
01:15:18,399 --> 01:15:21,640
local media when well, first of
all, when you have the title that

1150
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:27,680
she has screwiny that you're under,
Yes, it's come on. And you

1151
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:32,680
know, you know, I recently
went you know, social media. I

1152
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:39,800
confessed recently, I've had some significant
anxieties about social media and about doing certain

1153
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,520
things on social media or posting things
or like sharing certain things. And one

1154
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,840
of the reasons is because of stuff
like this, right, well, things

1155
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:53,159
don't work out, the things don't
work out, and people missing people,

1156
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:55,560
and then they bash you, and
then all of a sudden they call in

1157
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,119
the question character and decision making and
all these other things, and you're like,

1158
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:01,640
I'm just trying to be me.
I'm just trying to be a sincere,

1159
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,840
genuine person. But I checked myself
because of the consequences that if I

1160
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,399
do it and it's not right and
it offends someone, or if it doesn't

1161
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,239
work, all of a sudden,
I'm gonna get all this backlash. And

1162
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,600
I don't want it for me,
I don't want it for my family.

1163
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:20,720
I don't want to for the other
person. And this Shandrick. She couldn't

1164
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,199
control the mess this. She couldn't, but she couldn't, And I wonder,

1165
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:28,960
but the power of this is what
for me? When you have someone

1166
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:32,800
like her, or you or me
or even Dan, it's like it can

1167
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:39,800
catch a tsunami of oh yeah,
misinterpretation, which can then just destroy something

1168
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,560
you built and worked on your entire
life. Yeah, oh yeah, I

1169
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,760
know what it's like. I've had
it happened to me yea on social media

1170
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,600
because there's something I tweeted that was
totally taken out of context, and all

1171
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,880
of a sudden, I got people
at ESBN like calling for my head.

1172
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:55,439
See here this Santa Door really didn't
go on social media and say she got

1173
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,520
a speeding ticket. Came out that
she got a speeding ticket. Someone then

1174
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,119
investigate, I'm sure someone foiled for
Coursey cam footage, and then we get

1175
01:17:04,119 --> 01:17:06,920
to see Sandra at her worse.
So that's where all our attention is.

1176
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:12,079
Tell me, any day, you
know what that is. That's your wife

1177
01:17:12,079 --> 01:17:15,119
getting pissed off, getting out of
the You know what I'm saying. I

1178
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:19,359
don't mean, I don't mean to
minimize or point fingers, but it's anybody

1179
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,479
any like let's say you said the
wrong thing, or any one of us,

1180
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,239
or making a husband getting out after
a bad day. How many times

1181
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:30,560
when I was married and walking and
I don't even give a fuck, I

1182
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,439
don't care. Yeah, so now
I get a ticket on top of that.

1183
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,960
Oh yeah, that's that's a good
day. That's a good day.

1184
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,640
So that was my first takeaway,
my second one, and that's why I

1185
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,479
was glad you would here, was
ken does this hurt her in performing her

1186
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,039
job? But maybe she doesn't go
in the courtroom for a little while.

1187
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:51,520
I don't know if she can be
more of an administrator. Who knows?

1188
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,359
I mean, I don't think in
it. I don't think it impairs her

1189
01:17:55,399 --> 01:18:00,479
ability to foul the law into prosecute
a case based upon the evidence. I

1190
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,800
just wonder, you know, how
people are. I sometimes think we have

1191
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:10,000
more mouth breathers than thinkers. Definitely, definitely, I really do. I

1192
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:15,039
in fact, the part of me
makes what she it makes her more human.

1193
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,159
You know. One of the things
about performing the job she performs is

1194
01:18:18,199 --> 01:18:26,000
that you become I don't want to
say immune, but you don't feel certain

1195
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:30,560
things because you see it so much, and and and you create barriers because

1196
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,119
feeling in the pain and the anguish
of the victims' families. I mean,

1197
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:41,279
that's a heavy burden. That's both
their lowest moments, like the worst moments,

1198
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:44,079
right, that's when you're that's when
you're there, you're called into help.

1199
01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:46,399
And as ask which said, if
you don't know who she is and

1200
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,800
you've never had to deal with her
in her legal capacity, it count yourself

1201
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,239
lucky. Well, you know,
and I think for her, you know,

1202
01:18:54,279 --> 01:18:59,479
when you think about the victims and
their families in that torment and that

1203
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:04,520
angue, I mean, I'm sure
Sandra's feeling that anguish and torment of her

1204
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:11,680
own because of the circumstances. I'm
sure, and and having that and understanding

1205
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,720
that and making it real and having
that compassion, but also having the passion

1206
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,560
to make sure that you're accountable.
Look, I have no doubt she's taken

1207
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,279
full accountability for her actions. She
didn't commit a crime, no, no,

1208
01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:27,560
no, she took her responsibility.
She was accountable for what she did

1209
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,720
and she's moving on now. Had
she then, where I would have had

1210
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,159
an issue is if she would have
contested it, and she would have argued

1211
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:38,720
it that I would have said,
look, now you're trying to pull your

1212
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,039
weight. She she did. She
said I was doing that. I was,

1213
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,279
and the guy right, So she's
holding herself accountable. I mean,

1214
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:50,239
in terms of public servants, the
thing that drives me batshit crazy is that

1215
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:56,560
we have politicians that lie, that
don't take accountability. And some of them

1216
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,800
are are in extremely powerful positions,
but they don't have that self awareness.

1217
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:06,119
They don't have that community consciousness of
taking accountability for themselves. She did that,

1218
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:11,439
now was it? Was it done
in a manner that makes you cringe?

1219
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,640
Perhaps, But again, everybody has
a bad day already has some bad

1220
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,800
mind. I think we have to
call it right there, because it's not

1221
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:26,039
like she was drinking and belligerent and
she was frustrated. She's admitted it more

1222
01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:28,479
than once. She was speeding.
I got it, you know. And

1223
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,159
so to me, it's I hate
to see her resign, but there will

1224
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:34,960
be now, I'm sure, I
don't know if there will be or not.

1225
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:40,159
That's not fair. They wrote a
letter asking for an investigation, investigation

1226
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:45,039
into what you just have going.
It's twenty six minutes. Where's the investigation

1227
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:46,960
into what? Is this a pattern
of behavior? I don't think so.

1228
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:50,079
I don't think so. Okay,
they're gonna investigate and they're going to report

1229
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:54,800
exactly which is showing and what we
heard. So are they going to recommend

1230
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:59,359
consequences? That's not their role.
I don't know their role. The role

1231
01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:03,279
ltimately going to ag be the one
to hand down consequences if there were any

1232
01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:06,560
like would there be a suspension for
I don't know, I don't I don't

1233
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:11,079
know. I don't know if there
is a code of conduct or responsibility for

1234
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:14,199
DA's that are different from attorneys.
I know this as an attorney. If

1235
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:17,800
that happened to me, Yeah,
my license isn't a jeopardy. I didn't

1236
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:23,199
commit a crime. Okay, you
know, I pay my fine. I

1237
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:27,239
pled guilty. It was it's not
an actual offense, and I go out

1238
01:21:27,279 --> 01:21:33,239
with my career, you know,
it's yeah, it's yeah. My fear

1239
01:21:33,239 --> 01:21:35,840
is that the governor could just use
this as a power play and say I'm

1240
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,479
going to point somebody. Well,
it does worry me too that they get

1241
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,920
on the political lines a little bit, but I'm not sure if that's going

1242
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,279
to be about Sandra Is at her
office and against Steve Circuit know more about

1243
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:50,359
this than I would, But they
don't seem to run political lines. In

1244
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:55,920
terms of prosecution. The crime is
the crime, and the people who commit

1245
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,880
it are the people who commit it. It's usually very fact based, very

1246
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,399
fact based, and it's very you
know, it's very statute driven. And

1247
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,039
I've never she has, in my
interactions with her and the people who I

1248
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:12,319
know that deal with her a lot
more than I do, have never identified

1249
01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:17,119
her as having any political agenda in
terms of prosecuting crimes. Never all right,

1250
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:20,159
well, we'll take a moment on
it. It just was making headlines

1251
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:24,479
everywhere and something that I wanted to
see. I'm people so glad you were

1252
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:29,279
here because I thought, can she
now get that fair? It's a bad

1253
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:30,960
look, Let's move on. It
was a moment. People texting me this

1254
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,520
morning. I'm in church, are
you talking about this? The thing is,

1255
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,119
well, listen to the bottom line. There there is no she pled

1256
01:22:40,119 --> 01:22:44,000
guilty. I'm guessing so that to
the charge, she paid her fine,

1257
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:46,239
moved on. That's her debt to
society. That's what she's done, just

1258
01:22:46,279 --> 01:22:49,239
like you and I. Now,
can she continue to do her job in

1259
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:53,840
the same capacity with the same character
and integrity and fitness that she has?

1260
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,560
I believe, I have absolutely no
doubt that she can. Yeah, absolutely,

1261
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,399
no doubt. All right, we'll
take a moment. We will tell

1262
01:22:59,399 --> 01:23:01,399
you the story about a mother and
son. And I just wonder, as

1263
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,479
all of us here are sons to
somebody, would we do this for our

1264
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,880
moms. We'll get to it next, But first, Danny, if you're

1265
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,439
looking for a great place to escape
with your girl Beth, yes, that

1266
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,920
would be your wife. Excuse me, Yes, Red White and Brew,

1267
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my boo. Yes, street to
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1268
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1269
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You get New York state wineries.
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1270
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let's say you wanted to taste wines
from the finger Lakes, but you can't

1271
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,680
get to all the finger lakes,
right, There's wineries along Seneca, Kuka,

1272
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,760
all these different Cayuga. What could
I do? Billy? You could

1273
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,000
go to Red White and Brew and
have a little bit from everywhere and find

1274
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,680
out what you like and then say, ooh, I think we should go

1275
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,680
to this lake and do this side
of the lake and all these wineries and

1276
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,000
have somebody who be you there so
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1277
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1278
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1290
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1291
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:13,840
So a lot of comments on the
Sandra Dorley things from Facebook somebody writes

1292
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,880
funny part she was worried about being
pulled over on Phillips talking about District Attorney

1293
01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:23,359
Sandra Dorley. What about the cops
in front of her house? Somebody said

1294
01:25:23,399 --> 01:25:25,960
she whipped out her badge. She
does whip out her badge at one point

1295
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,600
because the officer asked to see her
license, and then she goes, I

1296
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,600
don't have it with me. I
have to get and then she goes,

1297
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,439
I am the DA, and he
goes, okay, ma'am. I somebody

1298
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,640
said you got to try to get
her on. She had a bad day

1299
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,600
and is now accountable. So it's
Glenn. The only difference from the rest

1300
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,680
of us getting a ticket is she's
the DA. I feel bad for her

1301
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,079
in this position. Somebody else said, why did she want the officer to

1302
01:25:46,119 --> 01:25:50,960
stop her? Why does she not
want Was she under some type of influence.

1303
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,840
I don't think so, and I
don't think she was. The Only

1304
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,439
only thing she was under was frustration
and anger. Richie says, she's a

1305
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,800
pig. I'm betting she hit the
flask on the way home, big black

1306
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,920
suv. How about that big fat
ass abuse the badge and we should have

1307
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:12,039
cuffed hers? What he says,
this is social media. This is what

1308
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,479
imagine being Oh my god, she's
married, right, Yeah, imagine being

1309
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,960
her husband. I know she has
kids. Yeah. Dave says I played

1310
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,880
golf with her years ago. She
didn't seem that type of person. However,

1311
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,279
the fact is she did what she
did and got captured at her worst

1312
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:30,119
moment. It's gonna cost her,
That's what he says. She's been a

1313
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:34,239
DA has cost her. Yeah,
and somebody says she has been a DA

1314
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:39,720
for decades. She knows how to
keep her composure under extreme situations. She

1315
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,800
should have been able to stay calm
and follow the officer's commands, regardless of

1316
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,600
her stressful day at work. She
berated an officer who she acted like was

1317
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,359
beneath her. She acted like was
beneath her and him being the officer.

1318
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:55,560
This should not have escalated as it
did. We are appalled when criminals disrespect

1319
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,000
police officers. Now she's done the
same. What kind of message does that

1320
01:26:59,039 --> 01:27:00,760
send to the public. I don't
want her to lose her job. The

1321
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,399
alternative is frightening. I'm curious why
the Webster Police Department released this body cam

1322
01:27:05,399 --> 01:27:09,079
footage. Hopefully this is too.
I think this was a foil. I

1323
01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:13,319
think when you foil something, it's
freedom of information law, and it's the

1324
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:15,600
whole reason why it's there. It's
a count, it's it's truly, it's

1325
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,720
the accountability. This was done.
The whole police cam is because of to

1326
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:25,119
hold the officers accountable right for their
actions. Now, the interesting thing is

1327
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:27,640
a lot of this is revealed.
Is the other side of it. It's

1328
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,039
what the officers have to go go
through and deal. Right. Yeah,

1329
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:35,239
so it's somebody I think. Richie
Houseman comes back again, says, no

1330
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:39,760
way. It's the first time she
tried to use her job as escapegoat first

1331
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,640
time it was on bodycam. Dethrown
her. You're fired, you're guilty,

1332
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,239
You suck, he says. Dustin
says, people have bad days, but

1333
01:27:46,319 --> 01:27:49,920
I leaven handcuffs after this. I
don't know if that's true. Todd says

1334
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,800
she's above the law apparently, and
somebody else said she also called the officer

1335
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,880
an asshole. Okay, well,
yeah, I don't know where above the

1336
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:01,199
law comes out any way. I
mean, I mean her. I think

1337
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:06,399
I think the interpretation is is because
she project she said who she was,

1338
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:13,560
meant that she should somehow not receive
the consequences of her actions that would be

1339
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,640
above the law. Identifying who you
are. Well, she kept saying,

1340
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,479
just give me the ticket. Well, but again, she wasn't saying don't

1341
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,399
write me the ticket. That would
have been above the law. She's saying,

1342
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,439
I did something wrong, I'm accountable
for it. That's not above the

1343
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,279
law. I mean, that's the
opposite above the law, that's taking accountability

1344
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:33,199
for your actions. So it's not
above the law. But I mean,

1345
01:28:33,279 --> 01:28:38,119
you know, I can see how
people could interpret that she was trying to

1346
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:43,960
perhaps influence the officer's decision making because
of her role, but that's not ultimately

1347
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,039
what she said or what she did. So I don't project that. I

1348
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:48,760
don't view that as being above the
law. I think just a lot of

1349
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:54,560
people are angry. Ohn. Just
you know, you thought last Monday was

1350
01:28:54,760 --> 01:29:00,600
past central Wait till tomorrow. Holy
shit, talk about a series of bad

1351
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,680
mondays. I shouldn't laugh like that, But that is kind of funny when

1352
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,560
you think about it. It was
last Monday, the twenty second, and

1353
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,279
now here we are one week later
and all this is unfolded, and it

1354
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:15,479
really kind of hit the fan Friday. So you're not going to get a

1355
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,239
lot of news. Now people have
had time to digest it, and the

1356
01:29:18,359 --> 01:29:24,399
unfortunate thing is it ends up on
social media and YouTube and TMZ. TMZ

1357
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,760
got a hold of it. The
New York Post had a head, well,

1358
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,199
look it's salatial. Oh of course
it's slatial. Which goes back to

1359
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:34,239
my point originally is don't we have
better things to focus our energy on?

1360
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:39,560
You know? And I'm a big
I'm a big believer, greg And what

1361
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,479
we push against the most, we
never get rid of. We just keep

1362
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,640
pushing to just get more of it. So we have the luxury in America

1363
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:54,399
to bitch and bitch at, bitch
at bitch and wine and cry cave a

1364
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,520
bitch. And I listen to somebody
do it all the time, you know,

1365
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:02,199
America Great. I can say this, you know, in my in

1366
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:06,439
my almost thirty years of being a
lawyer, when somebody says to me,

1367
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:10,439
it's not about the money, it's
all about the money, right, Yeah.

1368
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,239
When somebody says to me that they
want justice against the insurance company and

1369
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:24,760
they deserve something, they're oftentimes there's
they their intentions are different than what the

1370
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,199
average person is. They want vengeance, right, and it's oftentimes because they've

1371
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:32,479
been wronged and they want some repercussions
from it. And it's not necessarily because

1372
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,079
of this incident. It's because of
accumulation of life experiences. Got it.

1373
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:39,880
And so when I when I hear
some of the things that you read,

1374
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:44,960
it's almost like, either you're doing
it to garner attention to be salatial in

1375
01:30:45,039 --> 01:30:47,479
terms of like the you know,
the you know you fire and she's the

1376
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:53,000
whatever. Some of the things you
said that are oh bit yeah, kind

1377
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:55,479
of crazy crazy. It's kind of
like, you know, look, if

1378
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,399
that were you, how would you
want that to be true? The NBC

1379
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,720
affiliate out on the street and ask
people what they thought of this. I

1380
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,600
didn't grab that audio on purpose because
it was like, yeah, matter but

1381
01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:10,119
and I kind of didn't want to. I have something to say. Well,

1382
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,920
I guess it wouldn't be interesting to
hear right what people say. But

1383
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,119
I think most people are of the
opinion like she acted as though she were

1384
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:19,520
above the law. I'm not sure
that that's exactly the case. I think

1385
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,960
she went home, she clearly knew
she was being pulled over. She was

1386
01:31:24,039 --> 01:31:27,079
talking to the police chief, and
I think she probably said, just send

1387
01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:29,640
me the ticket, I'll pay it. I don't want to stop on Phillips

1388
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,399
Road. I just want to get
home. I've had an awful day.

1389
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,279
The first thing I thought, after
I watched this whole thing, and she

1390
01:31:34,319 --> 01:31:38,640
goes back inside right, and I
go, man, I want to see

1391
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,319
the size of the class of wine
you drink. After that, I don't

1392
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:44,439
know if she does or not.
I just know that that looked like it

1393
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,920
was, you know, the cap
of a really really bad day. And

1394
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:51,039
then now tomorrow your actions here comes
a really real and the thing is that,

1395
01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:54,479
you know, like the guy who
came in, the guy who posted

1396
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:58,960
about you know, the big Cadillac
or the big black car and all that.

1397
01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:00,319
You know, so if he did
this right, and he did that,

1398
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:04,000
thank you, he would get his
ticket and that would be it.

1399
01:32:04,079 --> 01:32:10,960
Yeah. Now, unfortunately, I
do know. I have had heard of

1400
01:32:11,079 --> 01:32:15,720
certain situations where things of this had
happened, and then some people who know

1401
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,560
the law went beyond what their capacities
were. But as a citizen, you

1402
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:25,359
cannot contest or defy a police officer's
order, whether it's legal or an illegal

1403
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,520
order, whether it's proper or improper, you can't defy because as soon as

1404
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,319
you defy, your resisting arrest when
it's an actual offense. And so,

1405
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,960
you know, one of the things
I learned in Losco was a police officer

1406
01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:39,359
is always right at the time he's
acting always, it's what you do after

1407
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:43,199
it and who judges afterwards as to
whether those conditions are correct. When he

1408
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:45,840
says to her to come back out
here, don't go inside, now she

1409
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,600
doesn't. She doesn't go in the
house. She stays in the garage and

1410
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,600
she says come. He says come
back to the back of the car because

1411
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:56,359
he doesn't want to. I think
I don't know if he felt uncomfortable entering

1412
01:32:56,399 --> 01:33:00,880
the premise without I can't well,
so it was her. So he kept

1413
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,199
saying you need to come out here, and she says no, and then

1414
01:33:04,199 --> 01:33:09,279
eventually stays in there. So now
I think when his supervisor, they all

1415
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:14,000
kind of aren't convened in the garage. But would that be part of your

1416
01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:15,760
thing where you're not complying with an
officer? Yeah, I mean, I

1417
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,159
don't know. I don't know the
nuance. I don't know that part of

1418
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:23,079
it because she said, just give
me the But how you know, the

1419
01:33:23,119 --> 01:33:26,680
whole question as a lawyer comes into
how is she not being compliant? It's

1420
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,680
a traffic stop. You know,
the compliance of the traffic stop is you

1421
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,439
identify what I did wrong? You
write mean the ticket right, If you're

1422
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:38,039
going to search inside the car,
there has to be probable cause. If

1423
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:40,920
there's other reasons, you have that
problem. Cause it's not an arrest,

1424
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:45,439
it's not an actual arrestable offense.
So there's certain limitations and restrictions. Now,

1425
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:48,039
if there's probable cause for other things, then you have to be complying

1426
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:53,880
until those things are remedied. So
again, I don't I'm not seeing again.

1427
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,760
It's just bad. It's just a
bad situation. It's unfortunate, and

1428
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:00,119
you got I mean, I'll tell
I have to say this. And this

1429
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:05,000
is very sexist and misogynistic, I'm
sure in some people's eyes. But that

1430
01:34:05,039 --> 01:34:13,239
woman look great. She looks phenomenal. She looks Santa Dorley looks the best

1431
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:16,520
Santa Dorley has ever looked. And
I've seen her over the years, and

1432
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,479
that's a tough job and all.
But if that's a bad day and she

1433
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,840
looked like that, I go,
man. I think I read you a

1434
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,399
lot of people in that regard.
A lot of women would trade places to

1435
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,359
go if I can look that good
on a body cam. How many times

1436
01:34:29,399 --> 01:34:32,399
have you been at to check out
the self? Checkout yourself? Oh god,

1437
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:38,520
look like well, you know the
other thing is and and okay this

1438
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,840
I don't know how this is gonna
come off, but I'm gonna say it

1439
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:45,439
anywhere that I can't wait. Men
hear things differently than women want you to

1440
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:50,319
hear it. And so when a
woman says something to you, we will

1441
01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:57,399
view it as critical, where they
view it as being constructive or informational or

1442
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,760
providing their perspective and opinion. But
how it comes out to a guy is

1443
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:08,800
more important than the words that are
used. And so when with Sandra's saying

1444
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,960
what she said the way she says
it, I hear one thing, but

1445
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:14,920
I think a woman would hear it
differently. And I think what she was

1446
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,840
trying to communicate after the day she
had was not to be disrespectful to the

1447
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:24,039
officer. But she's frustrated, she's
irritated, she's angry, not about him

1448
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:28,520
necessarily, but the confluence of all
these things. And again, and so,

1449
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:33,359
as a guy, being a professional
dealing in the office setting and having

1450
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:40,479
personal relationships, I can tell you
from firsthand knowledge, I've heard expressions or

1451
01:35:41,279 --> 01:35:45,520
feedback and perspectives from you know,
my mom, my sister, my other

1452
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,920
staff members, my personal relationships,
and what I hear is not necessarily what

1453
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:54,000
they're intending to say. I hear
it the way a man hears it,

1454
01:35:54,279 --> 01:35:58,000
you know, as my mom said, once somebody's speaking like an Italian woman,

1455
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,279
you're hearing it like an irishman.
You're not hearing it the way that

1456
01:36:00,279 --> 01:36:04,640
it's intended. And in this situation, so that's why it's a bad day.

1457
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:10,960
She didn't do anything legal or arrestable. You know, let's move on

1458
01:36:11,039 --> 01:36:13,880
in her life. They focus on
something that's more important. Now. I

1459
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,199
will say this, she will ultimately
be judged by the voters, period.

1460
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,000
And if people think that this is
such a horrific circumstance when you compare it

1461
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,239
to everything else, then she'll be
gone or she won't run. But let

1462
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:27,640
her decide that, don't let let
let's not cancel her for a bad day

1463
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,720
because I agree with you. I'm
just reading some more comps. Somebody just

1464
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,680
send me a message and the goal, Ryan says, the goal is to

1465
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:38,560
make a traffic stop last no longer
than five minutes. I don't know if

1466
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,600
that's true or not. That may
very well, I've never been in a

1467
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:48,079
traffic stop that less it less and
less than I let go the person to

1468
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:50,960
check your eye. Yeah, all
that stuff. The first thing a cop

1469
01:36:51,079 --> 01:36:55,560
would be trained to do is call
in the plates when a car does not

1470
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,439
stop when they try and pull them
over. According to the cops that I've

1471
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,960
spoken to during the training alongs,
they take them past all the houses of

1472
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:06,159
officials so that the trainees know who
the officials are, where they live,

1473
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:11,079
and what their vehicles are. That's
what this person's saying. He said he's

1474
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:14,960
done ride alongs and that that's an
example of above the law. If yesk

1475
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,319
me. Yeah, so, I
don't know why you would do that.

1476
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:20,199
Now. What it sounds like to
me is if she she says, and

1477
01:37:20,279 --> 01:37:24,119
she hands the phone to the officer, saying, talk to your chief.

1478
01:37:24,359 --> 01:37:27,760
He's on the phone. She was
basically saying, just send have him send

1479
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,520
me the ticket. I need to
go home. I can't. I'm not

1480
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,319
pulling over to sit on the side
of the road of Phillips Road for whatever

1481
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,920
amount of time. Is that above
the law? I don't think so.

1482
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:41,000
Maybe here's the other thing. Doesn't
every job of a perk, she's still

1483
01:37:41,039 --> 01:37:44,119
paying the fine she admitted to doing. The thing is that what's the perk

1484
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:45,520
of her job here? Well,
the perk would be that I didn't have

1485
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,960
to pull over on the side of
Phillips Road and sit there while the guy

1486
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,319
wrote me a ticket. I don't
know the circumstances behind that. I don't

1487
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:55,720
either. I'm just saying like it
sounds like she was. At the beginning

1488
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,000
of the tape, you know,
if you watch it even on YouTube,

1489
01:37:58,199 --> 01:38:00,680
she gets out of her car and
she's on the phone and she goes,

1490
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,840
talk to your talk to your chief. She hands him the phone. He

1491
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,479
goes, hello, sir. So
I don't know. And this guy is

1492
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:10,680
saying that they he should have run
the plates. She said, you knew

1493
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,600
it was me? And he said, uh, no, I didn't.

1494
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,840
I didn't run the plates. It
was just somebody who wasn't going to stop.

1495
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:17,079
Now this person is saying, one
of the first things you're supposed to

1496
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:21,560
do is run the plates. So
I have no idea. Yeah, it's

1497
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:25,399
Scott Hartwood. Like you're chasing somebody
to their driveway. They're getting out of

1498
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,079
the car and you're trying to stop. First, let me run your plates.

1499
01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:30,399
No, no, no, he's
saying immediately when you start to pull

1500
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,680
someone overs when you're driving, do
you how do you do that? Though?

1501
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,960
If you're driving, it's like there's
a is there a program to do?

1502
01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:40,800
Probably? Probably there's a plate scanner
now you can haveriff past. Yeah,

1503
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,640
there's plate scanners and everything. Anyway, Greg is going to be I

1504
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,119
don't know if you know this,
he is going to be uh the centerfold

1505
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:50,159
for a magazine, a local one. No no, no, no,

1506
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:56,119
like the nice thing right, well, I you know, I mean I

1507
01:38:56,119 --> 01:39:02,640
will not be building cigar. That
would be awesome. A fellow Alfred University

1508
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:10,159
graduate, Kelly Brewer, had seen
something recently on on social media which triggered

1509
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,239
her memory of us knowing and going
to college together at Alfred. And she

1510
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:20,439
is in charge of the Roster Women's
online and so they have a men they

1511
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:26,359
have a men's Month which is June, reflective of Father's Day. And so

1512
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:30,560
she just called me up just this
weekend and asked if I would mind participating

1513
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:35,960
and uh and in the in the
magazine. And I after I figured out

1514
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,680
what what it really was, I
was like, oh my god, am

1515
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,199
I gonna get Is this gonna be
like a Q and a session. I'm

1516
01:39:42,199 --> 01:39:46,680
gonna get, you know, beaten
up because of my Italian Irish I hear

1517
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:53,199
like an irishman as opposed to hearing
and uh. But no, she's great

1518
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:56,039
and uh. And so I was
telling her. I said, Hey,

1519
01:39:56,319 --> 01:39:59,520
I'm going on the Bill Ran podcast
today and she said, oh my god,

1520
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,319
I would if Bill would also participate. She goes, but I don't

1521
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:06,159
know him. Do you mind if
you do an introduction? I said,

1522
01:40:06,199 --> 01:40:10,520
well, I will ask him tonight
when I go onto the podcast. Oh,

1523
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,359
so here I am Bill. I
would be happy to do. I

1524
01:40:13,359 --> 01:40:15,199
would be happy, Kelly. We
will be calling. I would love that.

1525
01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:17,640
I would love that. It'll be
fun, It'll be great. Yeah,

1526
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,760
we'll close it with it without his
glasses? Do you like this look

1527
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,479
better? Or should I put the
stems of the glasses in my mouth?

1528
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:28,439
Now? What Kelly doesn't appreciate is
that I'm interested in this more for me

1529
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,000
than I'm sure she is about me, because I'm always trying to learn and

1530
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:36,119
improve myself and evolve, and I
think there's no better way for me to

1531
01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:42,199
understand. That is the greatest word, by the way, evolve. I

1532
01:40:42,319 --> 01:40:45,680
like that there's no better way for
me to understand I'm a man to understand

1533
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:50,239
and or appreciate women and how they
think can communicate because it is different than

1534
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:56,199
men. Then participate in in activity
and participate in a magazine like this.

1535
01:40:56,359 --> 01:40:59,640
So at church, we had a
guest pastor this morning and explain men versus

1536
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:00,479
women, And I'm like, oh, I never thought about this. He

1537
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:05,000
says, men thinking boxes, but
they can only think in one box at

1538
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:10,319
a time, whereas women can think
Craig, creg, you're going off going.

1539
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,600
Women can think in one box at
a time, too, but all

1540
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,760
those boxes are I got ja,
I got cha, I got you.

1541
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,479
So in other words, like that's
why they could like cook and listen for

1542
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:23,399
like the kids being stupid and know
that you're on a phone call and who

1543
01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:27,279
you're talking to while something else is
going outside. They can think in multiple

1544
01:41:27,319 --> 01:41:30,600
boxes at once, whereas a guy
thinks it one box at a time.

1545
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,640
The boxes aren't connected. We're with
women, the boxes are all connected.

1546
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,640
Now does that sound fair? I
can attest cool. I can attest to

1547
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:43,199
the fact that when I'm thinking about
something and I get feedback, I don't

1548
01:41:43,239 --> 01:41:48,399
necessarily appreciate and understand that perspective because
I'm thinking what I'm thinking I'm in that

1549
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:53,680
box, so to speak. Uh. Now, again, part of evolution

1550
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,560
is being able to step back,
which I'm sure Sandra wished she could do

1551
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,880
and say, Okay, this is
probably not the way that it's intended.

1552
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,560
I need to think about this or
take a breath, or not respond right

1553
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:09,359
away. And again again, I'm
pre nineteen eighty five, So I grew

1554
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:12,800
up to fix problems. Oh yeah, I'm a problem for solver. That's

1555
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,880
what I do. You got a
problem, I can fix it. You

1556
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,800
come to me with prospect, pulp
fix something. You got an issue,

1557
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,319
and I think you have an issue
based on how you're talking to me,

1558
01:42:21,359 --> 01:42:25,960
I'm going to fix your problem.
I think a statement I recently made to

1559
01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:29,119
my kids were just tell me what
you need and I'll make it happen.

1560
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,159
Yeah. Right, it's a problem
solving. Well tell me what you need.

1561
01:42:31,359 --> 01:42:34,279
Clean, stop, don't give me
all the bullshit. Just get right

1562
01:42:34,319 --> 01:42:38,119
to the core of what it is. Give me right to the core what

1563
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:40,600
is, and we'll make it happen. But I don't want to hear the

1564
01:42:41,399 --> 01:42:43,960
pre log and the prola whatever it
is, I don't want to hear it.

1565
01:42:44,039 --> 01:42:47,640
One of the things that just resonates
in my head daily is my father

1566
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:51,359
would say to me, don't be
a problem creator. Be a problem solver.

1567
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:55,520
Yeah, yeah, be a problem
solving, not a problem creator,

1568
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,880
right, because that's what life is
about. You create problems, nobody.

1569
01:43:00,279 --> 01:43:03,399
You're not being productive your problem solver. Now you're being productive and helpful a

1570
01:43:03,399 --> 01:43:06,239
lot of times too. The solution
is within the problem itself. If we

1571
01:43:06,279 --> 01:43:10,079
all just step back for a little
bit, we can usually find out ourselves,

1572
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:13,319
unless it's somebody who's just creating problems
to be a problem, and that

1573
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:16,159
happens an awful lot too. All
Right, we'll close with this story about

1574
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:20,920
a mother and son. So this
happens to be Tammy Fisher. She's fifty

1575
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:26,920
one, her son, Zach,
is thirty. So Tammy and Zach are

1576
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,359
together and they see this guy,
Shane go by. And Shane was towing

1577
01:43:31,399 --> 01:43:34,880
a trailer and he had two of
his kids, and he had some SUVs.

1578
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:41,159
He was going to go four wheeling
on property. And Tammy realizes that

1579
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:43,800
Zach and I don't know if Zack's
a cousin, I don't know what Zach

1580
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,239
is is going to go up to
her mother's property and her mother, this

1581
01:43:48,279 --> 01:43:53,880
fifty one year old woman's mother has
a court order in place against this guy,

1582
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:59,680
Shane, and she felt like he
was disobeying. So instead of waiting

1583
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,159
to see it was gonna happen and
maybe letting the law take care of things.

1584
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:05,840
That's why you have an order of
protection, she jumped into her vehicle

1585
01:44:06,359 --> 01:44:11,960
and she persuaded her son, Zach, and his seven year old daughter to

1586
01:44:12,039 --> 01:44:15,479
also get in the vehicle, and
they tore ass down the street and they

1587
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:21,640
blocked this guy, Shane, in
on North Ontario Road and Zach, her

1588
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:28,399
son, gets out and he punched
Shane's vehicle and starts beating on it,

1589
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:30,520
and then Shane gets out and the
two of them are fighting, and so

1590
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,279
Tammy the mom, she gets out
and she gets a snowbrush because you still

1591
01:44:34,279 --> 01:44:39,840
have those in your car in April
May in this area, and she starts

1592
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:45,319
beating Shane, and you think you've
had a bad day. So the two

1593
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:53,720
men were fighting in this is you
want dash cam video for sure something like

1594
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:58,520
that. So apparently there was,
you know, they got arrested and she

1595
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,479
was charged with assault and endangering the
welfare of a child. But my question

1596
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,840
is, like, how do you
like she looks at this and your son

1597
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,399
doesn't say, hey, mom,
why don't we wait to see if he

1598
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:12,439
goes there and then we'll call the
police. Instead, he goes, Okay,

1599
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,359
mom, that's a great idea,
and oh, by the way,

1600
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:15,399
let me get my seven year old
daughter in the car too. Well,

1601
01:45:15,399 --> 01:45:17,880
how does that happen? Greg?
You do it reminds me, reminds me

1602
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,000
of the question you've asked many times, yes of the Menendez br Yes,

1603
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:24,279
you hope that one of your kids
says, wait a second, yes,

1604
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,680
yes, Unfortunately that didn't happen.
No, And I think that every time

1605
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,359
I hear of something horrific, I
go, how did you get somebody else

1606
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:38,800
to do this with me? How? What did this guy Shane do that

1607
01:45:39,039 --> 01:45:42,319
You're so worked up? Your mom's
worked up, so then you get worked

1608
01:45:42,359 --> 01:45:45,479
up and nobody can keep a little
bit of rationale about them, just a

1609
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:47,279
little bit. We can go,
hey, Shane's are real assholes. They

1610
01:45:47,279 --> 01:45:49,680
do have an order of protection,
but we don't want to get ourselves in

1611
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:54,199
trouble. Let's let's call up to
Grandma and tell her that they're coming,

1612
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,720
and maybe she calls instead they go, and I mean this turned into the

1613
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,279
new handle this. They're too to
Hazzard and you bring your seven year old.

1614
01:46:01,279 --> 01:46:04,239
And by the way, Shane's got
his kids. How traumatic is that

1615
01:46:04,279 --> 01:46:08,159
to see your parents getting a physical
fist fight. I think it would be

1616
01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:14,279
awful. Yeah, I honestly,
for me, it's hard for me to

1617
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:17,680
comprehend why someone would actually do that. I mean, you know, it's

1618
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:23,880
like the order protection only applies once
they break the boundary, right, so

1619
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:28,880
if you prevent them from breaking the
boundary, you're actually breaking the law,

1620
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,319
and if you do it in a
violent manner, it's actually an arrestable crime.

1621
01:46:31,359 --> 01:46:34,800
And we talked about the situation with
sand Or two seconds ago. If

1622
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:40,199
they go over the property line,
then there's a whole other set of rules

1623
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:44,560
and laws and protections that apply.
And it's I mean, it's really it

1624
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:48,319
could be razor thin like that.
So why do people just I just I

1625
01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:53,399
see the order of protection as the
biggest waste of paper. No, it's

1626
01:46:53,399 --> 01:46:56,399
not, you don't think. So
it's not because every time it's people who

1627
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,520
you open the times Wayne County,
Greg and it's always someone who they get

1628
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:04,079
pulled over for speeding and then they
find out that she has an order of

1629
01:47:04,119 --> 01:47:08,920
protection. She's the driver against the
boyfriend who's now sitting in the passenger seat,

1630
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,359
And I always go, why did
you go? Why did you why

1631
01:47:11,399 --> 01:47:14,520
did you clog up the court to
get this thing when you're gonna break it

1632
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,239
anyway? And you're right, it
is not. It is the first precursor

1633
01:47:17,279 --> 01:47:24,479
in protecting somebody. Yeah, when
they're and what percentage is the scenario laid

1634
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:28,119
out? Probably very small, I
would think, Yeah. I mean the

1635
01:47:28,199 --> 01:47:33,319
order protection is important because when they
are violated, there are consequences if you

1636
01:47:33,399 --> 01:47:38,000
don't have it and somebody who is
and again to get that, there has

1637
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,640
to be some threat and there has
to be some viable issues there. And

1638
01:47:42,119 --> 01:47:45,680
if you don't have it in the
person comes, then there's there's not you

1639
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:49,399
don't have that legal protection. Once
you have the legal protection and that comes

1640
01:47:49,399 --> 01:47:53,840
and they break it, then you
have another layer of something for someone lake

1641
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:58,159
Sandra and her team to like have
consequences for that. Without the order protection,

1642
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:01,039
there are they don't have the same
company. And now again do people

1643
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,880
in those situations do they violate them? You know they they do, But

1644
01:48:06,039 --> 01:48:11,359
it's still important to have it because
nobody should be Nobody should feel that their

1645
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:15,199
safety or the safety of others are
in that much of a threat with out

1646
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:18,079
there being consequences. No, I
think I almost feel like there's there's two

1647
01:48:18,119 --> 01:48:23,079
levels to this. There's the Taylor
Swift stalker, and the first thing to

1648
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:25,680
do is to get your order of
protection right right, and then if they

1649
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:29,000
take it further, now we can
get further consequences because we've already filed this.

1650
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,199
And then there's the trash people who
get mad at each other, yeah,

1651
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:36,600
and then file these order of protection
and then just wipe the ash with

1652
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,880
it and waste everybody's time. And
those are the ones I usually read about

1653
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:44,119
the most. So that's that's the
ones that bother me. Yeah, well,

1654
01:48:44,119 --> 01:48:47,760
those are the ones that are entertaining. What the hell do you think?

1655
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,600
Gosh? I had a roommate once. He and his girlfriend had orders

1656
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:55,800
of protection against each other. She's
sleeping over one night, next night they're

1657
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,600
fighting, Cops show up, he's
gotta go. You have the order of

1658
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:03,760
protection. Two weeks, I guess
he's back together. Yeah. Ah love,

1659
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:10,199
it's grand. Yeah, it makes
you do crazy things. Yeah,

1660
01:49:10,279 --> 01:49:13,960
all right, we'll wrap it up. Great. I'm also inspires and motivates

1661
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:18,079
you to evolve and to continue on
your path towards becoming a more mindful person

1662
01:49:18,119 --> 01:49:20,880
towards others. Yes, that's what
love can do for you. Yes,

1663
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:24,439
that is what love can do for
you. I'm very glad you were here,

1664
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,079
though, for the Santra Dorley thing
to put a little legal perspective behind

1665
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:30,359
it. I think that was very
No, I'm glad to be able to

1666
01:49:30,399 --> 01:49:32,960
offer what little I could offer.
And the bills, Hey, of course,

1667
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:38,199
that's the important story of this week, Bills. The Coleman piece was

1668
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:40,680
great. We gonna forget about the
Santa Dorley stuff in a week. But

1669
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:44,520
football season is three hundred and sixty
six days a year. I just want

1670
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,000
to be on the record of saying
that I am really rooting for the running

1671
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,720
back Ray Davis because I love the
story that I read in The Athletic about

1672
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:57,920
him, and I really would like
to see this British guy who's six foot

1673
01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:01,520
seven and three hundred and three pounds
uh and there's never played football his life

1674
01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:04,199
in the seventh round pick. I'd
like to see him. We'll teach you.

1675
01:50:04,319 --> 01:50:06,960
Is that amazing about genet X?
If you're if you're that big and

1676
01:50:08,039 --> 01:50:11,439
that guy, you know, we'll
show you. We'll show you. Travis

1677
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:15,039
Clayton Travis Clayton, thank you.
I'm glad I couldn't find his name fast

1678
01:50:15,079 --> 01:50:17,680
enough, all right. For Greg
Connors, for Dan Barrillo, for Kevin

1679
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,720
who I I I feel bad I
did not do a good job and say

1680
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:25,479
hey, we're gonna be doing it
at four thirty. I just assumed that

1681
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:30,279
he feel bad as my fault.
No, it's not up. Iron smoke,

1682
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,159
Yes, iron smoke. It's gonna
be. Uh, it's a birthday

1683
01:50:32,199 --> 01:50:34,920
bash. Birthday bash. Yeah,
come on out and hang with us all

1684
01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:42,000
and we'll see you tomorrow. You