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Well joining us now as John Cox, as I said, he is a

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CPA, he's an attorney, and
he has been a candidate for California governor,

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and he's written a book mount Gavin
Newsom, Newsom's Nightmare, and so

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it's good to have you on.
John. I'm so sorry that you live

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in California. Thank you, thank
you. Well, you know, the

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weather's pretty darn good, David.
That's why that's why I stay out there,

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and that's why there's a whole bunch
of great companies that are out there

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despite Gavin Newsom. And that's I
think the message of the book. The

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book is called, by the way, the Newsom Nightmare. So it's available

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on Amazon and any place good books
are sold, and I hope people get

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a chance to read it because I
think mister Newsom is going to make a

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play to be the president of the
United States. If not in twenty four,

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it'll be twenty eight. I agree. People want to know about his

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record. They don't know about his
background, they don't know about what he

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will do to the country or how
he will lead the country. And I

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think that's very germane. I agree. And of course we all know that

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even if he doesn't run for president, and even if he doesn't get elected

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president or whatever, what he does
there is governor of California has a tremendous

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impact across the country. And we'll
talk about that in a moment. Let's

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talk a little bit about his possible
presidency this year. For example, you

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know, Biden is eighty one,
and he's not a young eighty one either.

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He's failing the full effect of all
those years. He'll be eighty six

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by the end of the term.
And so you know, people are looking

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at this. I look at even
at his running mate, La La Harris,

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I call her but because she's kind
of in La La Lamb, but

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she's you know, I look at
this. They might replace her, they

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might replace both of them. And
you know, Trump is also getting pretty

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old. He's he's seventy seven.
He'll be eighty one by the end of

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this next term, so he would
end up the same age as Biden,

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but he seems to be physically in
better shape. And so there's a lot

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when you look at this, and
if they get rid of Biden, and

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a lot of people in the Democrat
Party are really pushing for that, the

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likely candidates, I think to replace
Biden would be either Michelle Obama or Gavin

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Newsom. But Gavin Newsom is in
office and he is having an effect as

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he is. You know, the
things that he's doing right now are having

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an effect right now on everybody across
the country. How did you think he

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did in terms of the debate that
he had with Hannity and DeSantis unfoctionated.

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I think he did what he wanted
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to introduce himself more to the nation, to a different audience. Frankly,

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I mean, he's been on MSNBC
and CNN quite a bit, so he

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doesn't need to introduce himself to those
audiences. To Fox audience. Obviously,

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there are different people that don't or
rarely see what he's doing. They see

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a lot of the criticisms. But
you know, Newsom came off clib came

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off well spoken, He came off
citing a whole bunch of statistics that sound

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great. Gee, it's no revelation
that a lot of great companies have started

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in California. Sales Force, Apple, Google, all these great trillion dollar

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plus companies are based themselves in California. And who wouldn't you know, I

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live in California because I just love
the weather and the ocean and the natural

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beauty. And if you know,
if you're a smart guy with a great

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business idea, sure you're going to
want to start your business where you can

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live the best life you can and
that's the place for the best weather.

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But they quickly, they quickly discover, however, that the government that knew

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some leads, is nothing short of
spectacularly involved in your life. They want

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to tax you to death. And
so a whole bunch of those companies have

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decided to ultimately leave, like Tesla, but Nestlee, Toyota. You know,

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I can name a whole bunch of
companies and people that have left.

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They've moved to Tennessee or Florida or
Texas where there's obviously zero tax and where

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regulation is not going to strangle their
future. And you know, they may

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still keep their homes, by the
way, in California, I'm I'm certain

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that most of them do. But
the government of California does its best to

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chase productive people out of the state, or productive businesses, and and also

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make it very very difficult for the
rest of the people. If you're not

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in the top one percent in California. You're living a very difficult life.

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The cost of living, shortages of
energy, water, housing, homelessness all

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over the place, wildfires, crime
regularly. I look at the it's the

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home issue, right and the homelessness, but even the fact that people can't

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afford to buy a home, and
this is absolutely amazing. The pictures of

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people that you see living out of
RVs and just lining the road for the

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as far as you can see living
out of their RVs, and then the

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homeless people who don't even have an
RV, and all that is really a

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function of when you've got a state
that is as prosperous as that, and

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you see that kind of abject poverty
contrasted with amazing amounts of wealth that happens

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because of government policies and because is
doing that. That's not a natural situation.

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I'm in the housing industry, David, that's my business. I build

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and manage apartments. I don't own
anything in California right now, I'm building

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about twelve twelve hundred units outside of
Indianapolis, India. Indiana is a great

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example of a state that treats business
well, that isn't owned by trial lawyers

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that doesn't have huge deficits or pension
deficits. And I can build wonderful apartments

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in Indiana for under two hundred thousand
dollars a unit, just gorgeous granite countertops,

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beautiful appliances. Those same units in
California, David, would be five

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six hundred thousand dollars in most of
the state. And you know, that's

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a very big difference in terms of
your lifestyle and what you're able to afford

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and how competitive you are on the
rest of the country. It's just so

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sad. And it's mostly, as
you said, government that drives up that

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cost difference. And yeah, lumber
and windows don't cost a whole lot more

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in Indiana than they do in California. It's the other things, Yeah,

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And it's it's stuff like fuel,
Right, Fuel is more expensive in California

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that it is in other places.
They got their own special it's like having

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an own special wood or something,
right, they have to have bespoke gasoline.

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That so they've got some refineries that
only produce the special blend that California

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demands. And so between that and
the really high taxes is I've reported on

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the prices of gasoline going up and
everything. California is way ahead of even

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the number two and so it's even
more than the taxes, it's also the

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regulations that he has on the formulation
of the fuel. There this gets to

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the essence of Gavin Newsom, and
that is he appeals to people on a

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gut level on some very high emotional
issues like abortion, guns, and climate

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change. It's part of this whole
thing to scare the Bejesus out of people.

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You know, the gasoline formulation that
California uses, David makes the tiniest

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little bit of difference in the atal
pollution of the world. I mean it

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is a fraction of a fraction of
a fraction. In India and China are

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spewing carbon into the atmosphere like nobody's
business these days, and the tiny little

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difference that California makes is ridiculously small. Yet this is what drives Gavin Neusseom

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and this is what the media loves. The media loves to herald this stuff

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and why because it gets clicks and
it gets eyeballs. And this is the

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essence of Gavin Newsom's entire political agenda, and that is focus on these emotional

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scare tactics and highly emotional social and
other issues ignore the stuff that truly makes

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a difference in people's lives, like
energy, water, housing, safety,

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cleanliness, homelessness, all these things
that really have an effect on people's lives.

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And he's able to roll to electoral
victories because so many people just pay

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attention to these highly emotional issues and
they don't think that you can do anything

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about these other bread and butter,
meat and potatoes issues. And that's what

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I talk about in my book and
what I'm also proposing in my book,

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David, is a way to get
the electorate to finally pay attention to these

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things and get involved in the process
so that they really pay attention to who

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they're voting for and why they're voting
for these candidates. It is so hard

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to get people to focus though on
their policy right and on their records.

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And I beat my head against the
wall trying to get Republicans to do the

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same thing. It's like, Okay, yes, you hate this policy,

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you hated the lockdown, but you're
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What is going on with all this? And of course you know with Gavin

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Newsom, he is very telegenic.
You know, he looks like he came

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out of Central Casting there in Hollywood, and you know, he and his

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wife, and yet you know,
when you start looking at what he did,

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it's like, WHOA, I was
so disappointed to see. You know,

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in California the people voted him in
again, even with everything that had

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happened there. And yet it's not
surprising because the Republicans are doing the same

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thing. They don't want to hold
anybody accountable for anything that happened the last

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three years or even before that.
And why is that, David? The

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reason is is that most voters don't
watch your podcast. They don't get any

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kind of a glimpse of the detailed
issues that they ought to be focused on.

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All they get fed is a diet, a steady diet of twenty or

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thirty second ads or memes on social
media. They never have a chance to

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have a conversation like you and I
are having right now. They just sit

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there and they mindlessly look at their
phones and they see something and they say,

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oh gee, I don't like that, and they vote for a guy

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based upon what his opponent says.
They don't get a chance to actually discuss

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issues, so What I'm proposing in
my book, and this is really important,

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David, is a revolution in how
we elect our elected leaders. I'm

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proposing that we change that, we
tweak our election processes with regard to Congress,

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especially to get people more involved in
getting to the essence of a lot

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of these issues, where it's more
than just a thirty second TV ad and

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it's more than just a me it's
an actual conversation that every voter can have

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with their representative, which they don't
get a chance to now. Yeah,

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tells me that key thing because you
lay out the problems. But you know,

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unlike, we've got to get past
the point of just laying out problems.

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We've got to have some solutions because
things are changing very quickly. So

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that's one of the reasons I wanted
to talk to you about that. You've

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got an organization hear thepeople dot Org. Yes, tell us how that your

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vision for how that would change the
electoral process. The essence of this is

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the People's House, David. The
Congress it was intended by our founders to

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be the people's House, but because
they limited the number to four hundred and

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thirty five about a century ago,
the average congressional district is seven hundred and

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fifty thousand people. Now it's just
impossible for people to actually know their congressmen,

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and they don't. They only see
them on TV. That's right.

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So yeah, let me just interject
thirty thirty five years or so ago when

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I ran for Congress, it was
about a half a million, and now

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it's gone to seven hundred and fifty
or half a million. How's going to

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seven hundred and fifty thousand, and
so you're getting less and less representation as

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you will. Sorry, Yes,
and so the idea is very simple,

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David, plice that big district into
one hundred little tiny districts. Yes,

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so that each district's only seventy five
hundred people. You're not going to use

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television to reach those seventy five hundred
people. You're not going to use social

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media, you're not going to blast
radio ads to all of them. What

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you're going to be forced to do
is actually go and have a conversation.

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Because seventy five hundred people is only
about three thousand households, and you can

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have a conversation with a couple thousand
people. You just have to spend a

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few weekends doing it, but you
can actually get to know your constituents,

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and more importantly, your constituents can
know who you are, and they can

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know what your background is, and
they can know that you have the character

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and the confidence and the leadership ability
to actually do something. Now, as

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a practical effect, what ends up
happening is that these hundred people who are

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elected in these little, tiny districts, they get together at a meeting and

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they select one person to go to
Washington. The other ninety nine stay home,

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and they don't have an office,
they don't have a pension, they

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don't have a staff. Their entire
job is to get together every two years

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and decide on the guy to go
to Washington, and then they monitor what

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that guy does in Washington. But
you know what that guy in Washington is

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not gonna do, David. He's
not gonna spend six hours of every day

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on the telephone begging for money.
That's right, that's right. He's gonna

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he's going to study the issues.
He's going to communicate with his constituents.

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He's going to communicate with the ninety
nine people back home who sent him there

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because he's got to get re elected, and those ninety nine hold the keys

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to that right, so he's going
to keep them informed and each of those

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are going to in turn keep their
own constituents informed. What this does,

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David, is it really puts the
people back in charge of the people's House.

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And I think it would change politics
up and down the political spectrum because

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people then would feel like their voice
would be heard and their elected leaders would

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actually respond to their voice and would
have an interest in doing that, and

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it wouldn't be in through the media. I think the media. The media

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has gotten way too much power in
this country. I hope you agree with

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that, even though you're a member. Oh yeah, No, I don't

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consider myself being media a member of
the media, and they don't either to

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be that. Yeah, And what
you're saying is so true. And I

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remember in the early nineties we talked
about the New Hampshire State Legislature and it

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had Yes, that's where I got
this idea. Yes, I got that

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idea in the early nineties. I
don't know what it is right now,

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but they said if you spent more
than a thousand dollars running for office,

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that accus you're trying to buy the
election. And yet at that time,

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you know a routine and you know, for people to spend you know,

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over one hundred thousand dollars running for
Congress at that time. And that's the

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problem is that we've allowed this.
If you look at the Constitution, it

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said, well, we're going to
have like thirty thousand people, one representative

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for every thirty thousand people. We're
not going to go past fifty. And

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then they just they didn't even go
without at the very beginning. They just

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kind of threw that away, and
then they fixed it and said, we

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don't care how rapidly the population grows, and we don't care, you know,

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about any of this, except we're
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representatives. And I think you're exactly
right. That's the one of the ways

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that we actually get a representative government
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And when we would talk about this
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it's just not practical to do it, and it's like, no,

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you could do it today. And
you could certainly do it today now that

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you've got the zoom technology and all
the rest of the stuff that everybody had

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to live by over the last three
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as to whether or not that be
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you'd have the people living in their
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You know, they could still do
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But you're so right. The Internet
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let's say I'm the representative of my
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people, it's a few thousand households. Well, you know, once I've

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met every one of those people,
they know me, they trust me.

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I'll be able to send them emails. I'll be able to ask them questions.

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They'll be able to ask me questions. If any of them as a

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crackpot and ask me wild idiotic questions, I can certainly put them in the

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background, and I'll be able to
focus on the people of my district who

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have real concerns, and I'll be
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guy that we sent to Washington.
That guy that we send to Washington,

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he's gonna listen to me because I'm
one of the ninety nine who sent him

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there. And it won't be It
won't be because I gave him a whole

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bunch of money, right, like
a union boss or a big corporation of

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something like that. He'll listen to
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ninety nine and I can unelect him
as much as I can elect him.

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And that's really accountable, responsive government, which is what we ought. And

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it's republican. It's a small,
our republican government. Remember, we're not

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a democracy. We're a republican We're
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we vote for people to represent us. But that only works. That only

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works, David, if those people
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only responsible to the people that give
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know they are. That's right.
We've lost our representative republic, we really

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have, and my goal here is
to get it back. Yeah. It's

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interesting, you know when we look
at what has happened in the government,

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it is so rapidly distanced itself from
us. And I think about you.

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We're just watching some old movies for
Christmas, and you have these situations where

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you got, you know, the
cop on the beat and he would walk

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the beat and he knew everybody,
you know, he knew the grocer,

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this person and keep on the street. He knew them, and so you

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know he and if you see somebody
that he doesn't know, he's kind of

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keeping an eye on this. Who's
this guy? You know that type of

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thing. But we've lost that personal
touch with everything, but nowhere more so

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than with the congressional representatives. We
don't know these guys. They don't know

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us. And and that's why it
is so amazing when you see the details

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of these people's lives that are running
for office, that you don't know these

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people at all. They're so distant
from you. And what and what do

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they focus on? Each of these
people at wants for office. What they

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focus on is getting on television,
Yes, getting stamous. I mean,

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look at California right now. I'm
supporting him because I want to support a

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Republican. But you know, Steve
Garvey, a former baseball player, is

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running for the US Senate. God
love him. He'll be a million times

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better than Adam Schiff or Barbara Lee
or Katie Porter. Okay, but why

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is he Why is he running?
Why is he the main candidate on the

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Republican side. Well, because he
was in baseball for thirty years or twenty

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five years, he got name recognition
being in baseball, and so that all

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of a sudden makes him a great
candidate for the Senate. I'm sorry,

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he's a celebrity, probably the celebrity, and you know what, we need

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people who are true leaders. You
know, look at Gavin Newsom and frankly,

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Donald Trump are the same kind of
person. They really manipulate the media.

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Why do we know Donald Trump so
much because he's been in the media

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for forty years and you know,
Gavin Newsom grew up with the media.

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You know, his family goes back
to governor in California and being part of

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that whole media thing. But do
they really have the leadership qualities that we

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look to to be real leaders and
real truth tellers and real competent character,

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character filled leaders. I'm sorry.
We need good leaders. We need people

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of good character. We need people
who can empathize and communicate with us and

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give us the background of why these
policies are important, not just staying close

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the border, but tell us why
that's important, tell us how we're going

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to do that, tell us the
benefits and the burdens of doing all these

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things. We don't get those kinds
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sound bites somewhere, and I think
that's really really damaged our democracy and damaged

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our country. And I think that's
one of the reasons why, you know,

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when you look at Iowa and New
Hampshire, they don't necessarily have great

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track records in terms of picking who's
going to go on to when in the

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nomination. But in those environments you
have a situation where they go into a

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pizza ranch and they talk to people
one on yes, or they have you

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know, even the caucuses or the
voters interacting with each other, or in

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New Hampshire. You know, again, it's that that that retail touch that

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you can have, and that's just
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It becomes about the advertising budget.
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the first question that anybody in the
media would ask me was what's your budget?

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How much money? Yeah, exactly, how much money have you raised?

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I'm not interested because you're not going
to be running ads on my TV

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show, you know, so I'm
not interested in you anymore. I can

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get the money somewhere else. But
you know, that's what it's all about,

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the money, And it's about the
fundraising with the exception of those two

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places. But we can see that
you've got to have that personal touch and

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people have to know you. But
they you know, when you've got a

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celebrity like Steve Gary, or you
got somebody like Donald Trump, because they

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watched them for years on a program, and even if it's not a reality

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program, even if it's not sports, even if it is like some scripted

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TV show, they think they know
that person and they think they know them

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exactly you say it. When the
person dies, everybody's like, Oh,

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I'm in mourning for this guy that
was in Friends or whatever, you know,

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and it's like, you don't know
anything about him, But they get

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as upset about that as they do
over their friends dying or something good.

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They do think that they're friends with
these people on TV. And that's very

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true with Gavin Newsom. People think
that they know this guy. They really

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don't. They don't know anything about
his background. You know, his grandfather

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helped Pat Brown get elected governor.
His father helped Jerry Brown get elected governor.

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They have fed at the troth of
state politics for forty years. The

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Newsomb family goes back. Oh gosh, actually more than sixty years at the

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power table of feeding off of government
in California. Squaw Valley, which is

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now called the Palisades, a big
ski area, used to be owned by

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the Newsomb family, and why because
they leveraged their political connections. Newsom's father,

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Gavin Newsom's father was the lawyer for
J. Paul Getty, the first

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billionaire, and he opened doors and
he maneuvered the legal system to help the

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Getty family get you know, and
keep their money. So you know,

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there's so many connections here, but
people don't know that. They just think

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that Gavin Newsom is this good looking
guy with great teeth and great hair,

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and he spouts statistics that sound good. Yeah, I mean if you look,

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if you look through those statistics,
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I think he sat a whopper.
During that DeSantis debate, he said somehow

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California's middle class pays lower taxes than
Florida, which you know, I heard

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this and I say, what planet
is he on? I mean, this

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is nobody. Property taxes they've got
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I know what Florida's property taxes are
a little bit higher because they don't have

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an incompact, but they don't have
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that even their property taxes are as
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Well, no, not when you
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California. I mean, our tax
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average house here costs two million dollars
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So I mean that means your taxes
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which is twenty thousand. In Texas. It might be it might be two

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percent of one million, which is
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to be paying much of a different
tax bill. But you know, that's

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kind of lost on Gavin Newsom.
I guess you know he doesn't expect people

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to look beyond the headlines there.
Well, certainly he can get away with

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it. And again it's because you
know he's been trained and he's slick.

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Now, did you run for governor? Are you going to run for guests?

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You did well? I did.
I ran. The seat was open

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in twenty eighteen after Jerry Brown left, and I figured people were going to

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be sick Democratic policies, and so
I jumped into the race. I had

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an idea about remaking the California legislature
in the same way that I'm talking about

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the Congress here. And unfortunately,
people just didn't pay attention. And you

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know, the media knew some raised
millions, tens of millions of dollars from

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the unions, from Hollywood, from
Silicon Valley and you know, the people

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that feed at the troth and he
buried me. But I'm staying involved and

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I think this is the right thing. Well, you're throwing it over absolutely,

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And I've mentioned this many times over
the years. That is the path.

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And when you talk about doing that
in California, it needs to be

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done at the state levels as well, because the same thing happened at the

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state levels. We've frozen the number
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state Senate and that type of thing. As a population everywhere has exploded.

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I mean, you go back and
you look at the you know, seventeen

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seventy sixty, what the population was
of just like three or four million or

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something like that, and you know, and there was real representation because people

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really did know other people. Uh. And that's the key thing. If

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it gets really big, as you
point out, it's just going to be

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the people with lots of money and
organizations that are going to manipulate them.

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That's who they're going to answer to. They don't know us, they don't

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share our concerns. They don't live
in our area. And as I've said

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many times, you know, even
if you were to go back and say

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we're going to limit it to fifty
thousand people, you know, you'd wind

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up with like eight thousand congressional representatives
and yeah, and that's that's unwieldy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that would that would be unwieldy.

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I mean people would look at that
and they would say, gee,

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a body of eight thousand congressmen would
be just you'd never get anything done.

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You know, there'd be they be
just too much tough. That might be

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that's why nature that might be a
nice s feature. I get that.

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But you know, the structure that
we've come up with here, where you

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have one hundred subdistricts and then you
extend one person who's responsive, I think

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that probably works in a in a
higher population area. People can learn about

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this, by the way, by
going to Hearthepeople dot org. We're going

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to try to get this done in
a couple of states. I think we're

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going to start, maybe with Arizona, and we're going to try to get

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the state legislature to enact this.
By the way, that's an important thing,

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David. I'm sure you're a constitutionalist, but you realize the Constitution in

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Article one gives each state the ability
to decide how to elect their congressman.

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Yes, so this is this is
entirely constitutional, and a state, all

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the state legislature has to do is
enact this and it will be done for

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the next election. And so that's
what I like about your planning there,

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because you know, if you wanted
to say, well, we're going to

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go back and we're going to have
you know, let's say, maybe not

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eight thousand, we're going to have
you know, two thousand members of Congress.

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So well they determine right now this
that's our determination how many are going

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to be there. But with your
system, it spreads out the representation without

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in a hierarchical way. Right,
instead of saying, well, now we're

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going to send more people to Washington, we say can't do. You still

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wind up getting that representation, but
in a hierarchical way. That's great.

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In your example, it would be
up to the Congress itself to change to

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go to two or three thousand people, and they're not going to do that.

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And why wouldn't they do that because
it would dilute their power. Right,

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if you're one of two thousand,
you're going to have a lot less

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power than one of four hundred and
thirty five. So that's the last thing

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they're going to do. You're absolutely
right. They're the ones that frozen at

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four thirty five to begin with,
you know, back in nineteen twenty or

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so. So what this is going
to be required to do is each state

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legislature is going to have to meet
and enact this statue. We have a

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model statue, We've had drafts,
so it's very easy to do. And

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you know, think about the second. We're going to be able to make

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an argument that who doesn't want this
change. The people who will fight this

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are the media and the lobbyists because
they stand to lose that measure of power.

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I think people will look at that
and say, hmm, who do

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we want to have the power.
Do we want the people to have the

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power or do we want media and
the lobbyists to have power. I think

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the people are going to say,
gee, I like this idea because it

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gives me a greater say over my
future and about our leaders, not the

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media or the lobbyists. And that's
I think long overdue. So we're going

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to start in one state. We
think that once one or two states does

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this and the rest of the country
hears about it, every state is going

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to say, hey, why don't
we do this in our state. I

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think this is I think this is
a perfect time for this as well,

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you know, because we're at a
time right now where everybody is looking at

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the institutions and they're saying, you
know, this just isn't working. You

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know, I subscribe to the ideas
as trous and how in the fourth turning,

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you know that this type of thing
happens like every eighty years. But

415
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we can whether you see this as
a cycle or not, you can see

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that this is really what is happening. That everybody is questioning the institutions,

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and we're seeing at the state level
a lot of innovative approaches to change certain

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things. Let's come up with some
different ways to It's kind of a backstop

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of the financial system in case the
Federal Reserve really screws up. As many

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people are worried that it's going to
do. So you're seeing moves in terms

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of like a financial backstop to what
Washington is doing, and many other things

422
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like that to nullify what they're doing. And so I think the time is

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ripe for people to look at this
and say, wait a minute, let's

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let's change the way that we select
the congressman. We may not be able

425
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to change the number of congressmen that
we have, but we can certainly change

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the way they're selected to make it
more representative. And there's one word in

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00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:10.640
all this, David, and that
word is accountability. The people don't trust

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the major institutions, and why because
they don't believe that they're accountable when they

429
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mislead us, or when they give
us bad information, or when they give

430
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us half the story. The big
deal with here the people, is that

431
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you're going to have a guy or
a girl in your district seventy five hundred

432
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.759
people who you know, and if
that person gives you bad information, or

433
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gives you information that you know is
not true or doesn't pass the smell test,

434
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or is just lacks common sense,
you're going to be able to hold

435
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.680
that person accountable. And you're never
going to believe them again. What that

436
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.359
means is that the person who you
would interact with, you're going to be

437
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able to hold accountable. And the
ninety nine are going to be able to

438
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.359
hold accountable that person that they've sent
to Washington, d C. At the

439
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.839
same time, and they're going to
be able to hold that Congress accountable.

440
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:15.440
That's a really big thing. We've
lost accountability because it's all about media.

441
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It's all about these sound bites,
and it's all about lobbyists and how you

442
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.640
shade the truth and telling half the
story. We've got to do away with

443
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.960
that. We've got to make our
leaders accountable to each one of us.

444
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.359
And I think this is a step
in that direction. Yeah, that's absolutely

445
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.319
right. Yeah. When you look
at the the presidential bates are a good

446
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.440
example. When they get together,
they talk about the same issues, even

447
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.640
though the issues have changed significantly,
the same issues that they talked about for

448
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.240
decades. They skirt around the issues, they talk past each other, as

449
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:52.519
we saw with Newsome and DeSantis and
and and then they get away with this

450
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.200
because you've only got two choices,
and it's like, well, I don't

451
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.759
like either one of these guys,
but I really can't stand that guy because

452
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.480
I've seen all these negative ads,
and also so I'll go for this guy

453
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.440
even though I don't really like him. And so all of these things combined

454
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.559
together, and we've got to find
a way to break through that. And

455
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.160
I like the bottom up approach that
you've got, because we've really got to

456
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:14.000
take this back from the bottom up. We can't take it back from the

457
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.960
top down. It's two corrupt just
who's pointed out that Congress isn't going to

458
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.720
loot their power. They're not going
to do anything to change what they're doing.

459
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.359
Instead, they're trying to put these
tentacles further into our lives and to

460
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:29.039
micro manage more and more aspects of
our life at the local level. And

461
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.559
that's why I think you're starting to
see these approaches rising up at the state

462
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:37.440
level and below that are saying no, we're not going to do that.

463
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.599
We're going to start taking back some
of our rightful power in all this.

464
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.839
And you're absolutely right, by the
way, the answer to all this is

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not media that's telling us what we
want to hear in sound bites. It's

466
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to get the people back involved.
You know, Fox News was created as

467
00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.319
a reaction to the liberal bent of
ABC, CBS and NBC. Right,

468
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.559
But now we've gone to the Fox
News silo and we only hear certain things

469
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:10.119
there, and then we don't hear
it over here and on the major networks.

470
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.079
So we're kind of buffeted back and
forth. And you know, the

471
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.079
people's reaction to all this, David, is to just turn off. I

472
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.079
mean you've seen you've seen those interviews
that they do on the street, you

473
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.039
know, Jesse Waters or Jay Leno
or one of these. They go up

474
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:29.880
and ask people, you know,
name the Supreme Court justices or name your

475
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.320
US senator. Most people can't do
it. Yeah, most people they have

476
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:40.480
no knowledge of politics. And why
because they're so detached from it. They've

477
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.920
they've gotten moved so far away from
it that they just don't even want to

478
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.320
get involved anymore. And you can't
blame it because they don't have really any

479
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.800
input into it, right, you
know, it's become so distant from us

480
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.039
it doesn't really matter. And I
look at it even from that standpoint.

481
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.280
I've got to the point where where
it's like I'm trying to focus on my

482
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.480
local elections and things like that,
even to the extent that you know,

483
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.519
I look at the national elections and
there's lessons to be learned there about the

484
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.039
directions that they're going to come at
us with. But I'm you know,

485
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.760
if for the real practical stuff,
you got to focus on what's local,

486
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.639
and so we've got to grow this
from the bottom up. That is a

487
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.599
great idea. I love that and
and so that is also discussed in your

488
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.880
book about Newsom is a solution.
This is good. And there's also a

489
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:34.000
website there as well. We here
thepeople dot org. Here the people dot

490
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.800
org is the plan laid out there
that people can see what that looks like.

491
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.920
But before we leave, you know, tell us a little bit more

492
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:45.079
about you know, just just talk
about how California, whether or not Newsom

493
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:52.719
runs for president or god forbid,
gets elected president, the the impact that

494
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:58.559
he has on all of us,
whether it is you know, the kind

495
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.480
of car that we drive or the
appliances that we have. And it falls

496
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:07.960
back to the activist government in California
and just how big they are compared to

497
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.559
other states and how they can throw
that weight around, isn't it. Well,

498
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.159
Listen, Gavin Newsom will survive Gavin
Newsom if he gets to be president.

499
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.239
We survived Barack Obama. I think
our system is strong enough, but

500
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.239
you know what, we won't make
the same amount of progress. People won't

501
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.800
have the same opportunities, and I
think our country will get weaker. And

502
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.760
if our country gets weaker, I
think the world is worse off for that

503
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:36.679
reason. You know, I'm involved
in a movie about Ronald Reagan right now.

504
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.719
It's going to come out in a
couple of months. And you know

505
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.719
Reagan, you know, took over
for Jimmy Carter. We were a weak

506
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.480
nation made weaker by Jimmy Carter.
We had inflation, we had an oil

507
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:53.440
crisis, we had threats from the
assuviet Union. Reagan turned us around and

508
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.920
said that we could do better,
and we could grow and give more people

509
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.519
opportunity. We just to get government
out of the way. Well, you're

510
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:07.119
absolutely right. Gavin Newsom is one
of those that wants to empower government.

511
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.760
You know, Hugo Chavez was the
same in Venezuela. He promised people better

512
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.639
stuff through the government. You know
Castro did the same for Cuba. Oh

513
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.440
you're going to get better healthcare,
You're going to get better this than that.

514
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:27.559
And guess what spectacular failures. I
don't want to see the United States

515
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.480
go down that route. And let
me tell you, Joe Biden has taken

516
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:36.920
down us down that route. Jimmy
Carter tried to Ronald Reagan saved us.

517
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:42.159
I don't necessarily see another Reagan on
the horizon to save us from Joe Biden.

518
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.119
And if it turns out to be
Gavin Newsom, I think that could

519
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:52.239
lead us further down this road to
more government, more mismanagement, a lower

520
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.599
standard of living, a weaker country, a weaker, more dangerous world.

521
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.519
I don't want to see that happen. I want to see us become a

522
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.400
better country. And that's why I'm
warning people about Gavin Newsom. That's why

523
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.360
I'm publishing this book. That's why
I'm appearing with you and getting this idea

524
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.599
out. We'll talk a little bit
about you know, we're all I talk

525
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.599
about this a great deal on this
program. You know, his energy policies,

526
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.360
his car policies, and things like
that that have to effect on other

527
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.239
people. But also the immigration policy
that he has there. You know,

528
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.760
the you come in as an illegal
immigrant. As you point out, you've

529
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.119
got Hugo Chavez and you've got Castro
promising all this free stuff to everybody,

530
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:35.320
which is what the socialism and Marxists
do. But now we've got Gavin Newsom

531
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.000
and other people. I am promising
it to people in other countries. At

532
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.440
least Hugo Chavez was promising it to
the Venezuelan's He wasn't promising it to you

533
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.719
know, the people from Als Salvador
or Peru or Mexico or whatever. But

534
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.719
you know, Gavin Newsom is promising
it to the world. Just come here,

535
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.920
get across that finish line and you're
done. You can collect unemployment,

536
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.800
you get free medical care and all
the rest of this then, and of

537
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.960
course that's going to bankrupt us very
rapidly. I think that was the plan.

538
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.480
You know, Cloud and Piven economists
talked about this years ago. So

539
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.079
the welfare state's not growing quickly enough, and we can make it grow even

540
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.480
faster and make people even more you
know, poorer and more dependent on government

541
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.760
if we can do this. And
I think that's the real strategy that's there.

542
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:21.000
Talk about you know what is happening
with the immigration issues with Newsom?

543
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.719
Yeah, the border. Well this
is this is a prime example of a

544
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.840
false choice that gets demagogue all the
time. David and you know. I'm

545
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:34.639
a jack temp Republican. I believe
that the United States has benefited tremendously from

546
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:38.840
bringing people who want to contribute to
us into the country. Most other countries

547
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:45.599
do the same thing. They have
a very strong immigration policy that welcomes people

548
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:52.159
who want to contribute to our growth
and our opportunity. But that's not what's

549
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.519
happening with our southern border. I
mean, anybody, and anybody can come

550
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.639
across that border without any restrictions and
without any knowledge of who they are or

551
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:05.880
what they're plan to do. That's
just as wrong as a total closing of

552
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.800
every input to our country. We
need to certainly, you know, get

553
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.880
more people. Our kids are not
having enough kids. I don't want to

554
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:20.400
see us end up like Japan,
which has a no growth economy and has

555
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:25.159
terrific problems caring for its elderly.
We need to have some growth, We

556
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.840
need to have controlled immigration, We
need to know who's coming into the country.

557
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.559
This is a false choice. The
Democrats are just letting the borders completely

558
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:40.000
open, which is just so incredibly
wrong for our future, and frankly,

559
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.280
it's misleading to everybody who's coming in
as well. They think they're going to

560
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.159
come here and live a wonderful life, and a lot of them discover that

561
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.159
they're just not going to be able
to. We need, you know,

562
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.320
we need to make sure that our
borders are secure. You can't have a

563
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:01.280
secure country without it. And you
know, this is another example of politicians

564
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.079
who just aren't leading. They're they're
just not leveling with the people, and

565
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.920
on both sides. Frankly, I
agree. I agree, yeah, because

566
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:12.639
there's a lot of you know,
again, if you point out legal immigration,

567
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.400
knowing who the people are, that's
one thing. But no matter what

568
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.679
they do at the border, if
they've got this massive welfare magnet pulling people

569
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.719
across and promising them free stuff,
that's the real issue. And we shouldn't

570
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:27.239
have a problem with people who want
to work and people want to be a

571
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.320
contributing to the to the economy,
but we ought to know who's coming in.

572
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:38.000
You just had this massive an Ecuador, just massive prison prison breaks and

573
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.360
drug cartels and everything. So what
are they doing in neighboring Peru and other

574
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.440
countries. They're saying, well,
we sent police to the borders and we

575
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.320
said you're not coming in here unless
you've got some kind of paperwork from your

576
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.239
government showing you don't have a criminal
record. We don't do any of that

577
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.920
stuff. So they'll just come up
here, you know, and come in

578
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.159
and they are yeah, and they
are yeah, yeah, they are coming

579
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:06.400
up here. And you know,
again the politicians just di their and demagogue

580
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.480
and they don't get the job done. They need to be secure in the

581
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.559
border, but then they need to
make it easier for quality people, for

582
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:20.000
people who are interested in working hard
and contributing to America. And you're absolutely

583
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.320
right, by the way, the
welfare state in America is what's going to

584
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:28.320
destroy us. I mean, we
have got we're spending what six and a

585
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:34.480
half trillion dollars this year. We're
only and I say only raising four and

586
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.159
a half trillion from the tax revenue, which by the way, is a

587
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.920
record, that's a record amount of
tax revenue. But the politicians in Washington

588
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.119
are spending it. And what are
they doing. They're maintaining a welfare estate.

589
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:51.519
You know, something like eighty percent
of the people now are on Medicaid.

590
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:57.000
They've expanded that all the way through
all the states, and governors like

591
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.639
Newsome have willingly taken this money.
Interestingly, of course, you know,

592
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:07.440
DeSantis Abbott a lot of red steak
governors have refused it. And why because

593
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:12.400
they know it's a drug. It's
going to be there for one or two

594
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.239
years and then it's got to go
because it's unsustainable and they don't want to

595
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.199
get tied into this drug. They
don't want to, you know, balance

596
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.199
their budgets on medicaid. They want
to make sure that they're sustainable. And

597
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:29.480
it's not sustainable for the government to
have our entire medical systems supported by the

598
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:35.719
government. Our medical system should be
free market, just like cars, just

599
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.800
like energy, just like every other
good or service. It ought to be

600
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.800
free market, ought to be driven
by the private sector. It ought to

601
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.000
be driven by innovation, it ought
to be driven by competition. Putting it

602
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:51.079
in the hands of the government is
the surest way to destroy it. Well,

603
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.840
I agree, and yet you look
at this last three years. They

604
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.159
don't want your physician to even have
a say so in your healthcare, not

605
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.599
a loan you. And when you
look at the strings that come attached to

606
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.360
this money that they give you,
that was kind of the way they rolled

607
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.000
this thing out. First, they
gave a massive bonuses, you know,

608
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.760
to follow the Fauci protocols in the
hospitals, you diagnose somebody as a COVID

609
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.039
patient, will give you twenty percent
bonus, and then the next year after

610
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:21.000
the bribery, what follows is the
blackmail. We're not only going to take

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away that bonus, but we're going
to take away all your Medicare and Medicaid

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patients and bankrupt you if you don't
get all your staff shot. You know

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with the vases who Yeah, and
guess who are some of the guests who

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are some of the biggest supporters of
Gavin Newsom in California? Healthcare? Yeah,

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healthcare, healthcare entities. Yeah.
That's one thing we should talk about

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is how they rolled out the vaccine
mandates in California. And I believe that

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was under Newsom, wasn't it where
they started saying you're not going to have

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any religious or medical exemptions for any
of these childhood vaccines. They've been laying

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the groundwork for this kind of stuff
for a long time, and I think

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that's one of the reasons why Washington
is pushing so hard to get everybody addicted

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to this Medicare, because that's going
to be one of the most effective ways

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that they can use to control us
and say well, now you're going to

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have to get the ID or you're
not going to get any medical care.

624
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We've already seen that done by Gates
in India with the Adhar system. We'll

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give you welfare, we'll give you
medical care, but you're going to have

626
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to take the digital ID. And
so there's all these strings that are attached

627
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to it. But they begin by
bribing people. It's always the federal And

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guess what, David, everybody is
going to need healthcare at some point now.

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And so the more government can control
a service like that that almost everybody's

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going to need, the more the
government then control your life. This is

631
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an old playbook and Hugo Chavez,
you've used it, Castro used it.

632
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You know. You promise people something
that they know they're going to need,

633
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and you tell them that government is
going to provide it, and they'll give

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you their power. And that's what
this is all about, David. It's

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about a small of people trying to
control the population. And it's the story

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of human history. You go back
to the Pharaohs, it's the story of

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human history. The United States has
stood out among all the countries that ever

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existed as a place where government was
limited. The Constitution was about limiting the

639
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scope and size of government, and
along the way, we really have lost

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that idea. We really let that
idea slip, and I think it's time

641
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to bring it back. That's what
our proposal is all about with here the

642
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people putting those limits back on government. And I think the people, you

643
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know, they do want to run
their own lives. They don't want government

644
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telling them how to live. That
was Ronald Reagan's plea to us. That

645
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was the key to his success and
appeal. We did another Ronald Reagan,

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and that's that's my and that's in
the book too, by the way,

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so you'll get a chance to read
that. Well, you know, when

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you look at the Rights, and
as you correctly pointed it out, it

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was about prohibiting government from interfering with
our God given rights of what the Bill

650
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of Rights was about. It's very
clever. I remember when Obama was running

651
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for president and or shortly after he
got elected. I can't remember exactly when

652
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he said. It was at the
very beginning, and he said, and

653
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he taught this, and he knew
exactly what he was doing. But they

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have they control the way that you
perceive things by the terminology, and so

655
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they would say he said, well, you know, I know that this

656
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was set up and we got prohibitions
there for government. We call that negative

657
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rights, but you know, a
positive right is your right to healthcare,

658
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or your right to an education,
or to housing or to this. And

659
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it's like, oh, well,
I want the positive stuff. I don't

660
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want the negative stuff. And he
completely turned it upside down by using those

661
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labels. And it had absolutely nothing
to do with the Constitution. He knew

662
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that. But it was great at
selling stuff, isn't he. I knew

663
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I knew Obama very well. I'm
from Illinois, I'm from Tobago, and

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I ran. I ran for the
US Senate and I once debated Obama for

665
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an hour and a half just on
those ideas education and healthcare. And you

666
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know, David, you know what
his big response to me was, we

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need government to help people with education
and health care. We can't let people

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and these are his words, fend
for themselves. We can't let people.

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People are too stupid in his world, people are too stupid to choose their

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own health care or their own education. Government has to do it for them.

671
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And darned if that wasn't his program
on becoming president of the United States.

672
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He convinced the media that it was
a great thing that government should control

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your education, government should control health
care. You're too stupid to choose it

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on your own. My answer was, people can choose their healthcare. People

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can choose education if they're given the
tools to do so, and they want

676
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to choose that, And frankly,
they should be able to because that means

677
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you have competition. And when we
have competition, you have quality and you

678
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have lower costs. Yeah. Right, But Obama didn't want to hear that.

679
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I mean, he disagreed with me
on that, and we debated on

680
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it. I wish I wish I
had a tape of that debate, by

681
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the way, because it was an
hour and a half and he and I

682
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were the only ones there. And
I wish you would have beat him.

683
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I wish you would have beat him
in the election. I'm sure you beat

684
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him in the debate, but I
wish you'd beat him in the election.

685
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It would have been a very different
world, wouldn't it if we'd had John

686
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Cox that Barack Obama. But you
know that is a very that's the same

687
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kind of argument, John that if
you go back and you look at Civil

688
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.800
War history. We talked about Civil
War a lot. Everybody wants to talk

689
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about the Civil War. Now,
well you go back and you look at

690
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it, and you've got a lot
of people who were plantation owners and slave

691
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owners, and they said, well, we realize this really isn't a very

692
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.239
good system, and we feel bad
about the fact that we're controlling these people

693
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and enslaving them. But you know, it's for their own good. If

694
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we let them loose, they just
wouldn't be able to survive, right,

695
00:49:53.760 --> 00:50:00.719
you know, kind of paternalism that
Obama is selling. That's a slave plantation

696
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:06.360
mentality. Uh and and it's actually
the mentality of the plantation owners. Well,

697
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I have tonslave them for their own
good. And that and Reagan,

698
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and that's why Reagan's message was so
wonderful because it was just so simple.

699
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You know, the eight most dangerous
words in the English languages. I'm from

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the government. I'm here to help
you. You know, the stuff that

701
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Reagan said was so true to so
many people. You've got to get government

702
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out of the way. Government can't
be all things to all people. Government

703
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should do our defense because we don't
want people owning nuclear weapons and tanks and

704
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other things like that. So government
should provide national defense, and that's what

705
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the constitution specifically says. But on
all these on all these other things,

706
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healthcare, education, uh, government
shouldn't be providing those things. Government should

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create the avenues for private industry to
be able to provide those things. And

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and that's what we got to get
back to. And yet, as i'm

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that's where you're aware. You know, you're about educational allies that we just

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had Biden's education secretary, So you
know that's our mission statement. I'm from

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00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.760
the government. I'm here to help
you. Totally oblivious to the fact that

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Reagan used that as the fearfulness that
everybody doesn't want to hear. I'm sure

713
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.719
you're aware of that. It was
really funny that he bought it. He

714
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.519
bought into that, and so a
few people call them on it. It

715
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truly is amazing to see that.
Well, I think you've got a great

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00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.159
plan. I'm sure that it's a
very well I know that it is a

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00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.320
very relevant book. Gavin Newsom,
whether there's a presidential race or not,

718
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:36.280
has a tremendous impact on everything across
the country. People need to understand where

719
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.400
he's coming from a good example of
an elitist politician that we don't want to

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00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:45.440
keep promulgating that system. And it's
great to see that in your book you

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have a plan for how we can
start from the bottom up to reform this

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without having to beg Congress to reform
themselves, which of course they will never

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00:51:54.239 --> 00:52:00.119
do. Here Thepeople dot Org is
where people can see that plan, I

724
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.920
guess you know. Then find your
book on Amazon. You also selled it

725
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:06.480
here the People dot Org. Okay, good, so great talking to you,

726
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.480
and I'm so grateful that you come
up with this plan. We need

727
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:13.920
people to think outside of the box
that they have put us into, and

728
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.159
we need to look for state solutions, and we need to look for ways

729
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:21.760
that we can I look at this
as essentially a way of nullification, and

730
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:28.159
you know, a positive way to
nullify this calcified system that has become so

731
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.480
self interested and that it can't be
that it won't respond to us and it

732
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:36.800
can't be reformed. So I think
that's a very important way to do It

733
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.400
is fun and let me and let
me and let me make this clear by

734
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:45.039
the way, here the People is
not partisan in any way. Bernie Bernie

735
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.760
Sanders and Donald Trump would agree on
the same thing in one sense. Bernie

736
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.800
Sanders talks about corporations and millionaires and
billionaires. Donald Trump talks about the deep

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00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.920
state and the media and the fate
news. Right. Well, you know,

738
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.480
here the people gets rid of both. Yes, here are the people

739
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:07.519
puts the power back in the people's
hands, gets rid of the media influence,

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and gets rid of the big corporations. And so I think people can

741
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:16.400
look at it as a bipartisan,
as a solution that both sides that all

742
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:21.199
the people can can get around and
believe that's the right way for us to

743
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.679
go. I agree. And even
as we try to engage and debate ourselves

744
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.480
on social media and they try to
censor us, this is a way that

745
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:32.360
people can get directly involved and it
is something that is a personal, direct

746
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.480
person to person type of thing,
grassroots moving up. These are all the

747
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.280
things that we need to be looking
to. These are all elements of what

748
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.519
I think are going to be any
successful solution. So thank you so much

749
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:47.239
for doing that again. Here thepeople
dot Org and the book is Newsom's Nightmare,

750
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.360
The Newsom Nightmare, and then you'll
find that on Amazon. Thank you

751
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.000
so much. For joining us,
John Cox, appreciate it. Thank you,

752
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.920
David. Really pleasure to be with
you. Thank you. We got

753
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.800
just a little bit of time left
and just enough time for me to thank

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00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.719
Steven Patterson. Thank you again,
Steven. That is very generous. I

755
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:10.320
appreciate the tip on rock fin and
we will. We're about ready to go

756
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:15.880
out, so I'll just cut this
short. Tomorrow we're going to talk a

757
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.599
little bit more about the pharmaceutical stuff
that I did not get to today,

758
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.199
because there's some very important updates on
that. Yes, Fox News is out

759
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:30.119
there trying to sell measles panic again. We shut that down once and for

760
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.639
all, but that's always the way
they begin, and they keep going back

761
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:37.039
to that. That's their bread and
butter, that's their pharmaceutical sponsors that they've

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got there. Thank you for joining
us. Let me tell you the day.

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The Night Show you can listen to
with your ears. You can even

764
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.920
watch it by using your eyes.
In fact, if you can hear me,

765
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:06.480
that means you're listening to the David
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766
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:15.639
good job. And you want to
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767
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:25.480
the links to everywhere to watch or
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That's a website.