Glasson. He just told me he couldn't hear the Supremesies. He loves that
group, but he didn't get the audio feed of the music coming out there.
Jack Lawson publisher of Civil Defense Manual, the two volume book that you
can find at Civil Defensemanual dot com. We talked about here frequently. It
covers so many different topics. But you know, today we've got a lot
of different topics to talk about here because there are so many different threats on
the horizon and they're all escalating in so many different ways. So joining us
now is Jack Lawson. Thank you for joining us, sir. Always a
pleasure, David, always a pleasure. Good to have you on. Let's
talk a little bit about you know, the first time we ever talked.
Let let's begin with what happened with AT and T last week, because first
time we ever talked, we talked about how fragile the infrastructure is, and
so you know, we had the cell phones go down, and part of
that was as I talked about last week. The effect that happened was it
grounded a lot of trans portation. A lot of trucking was shut down because
it created complications for them and dispatchers and stuff like that. So we see
over and over again how an attack on some ancillary part of the infrastructure.
For example, the pipeline, the Colonial pipeline, they shut down their accounting
system, so then they shut down the pipeline. No oil is moving if
we can't get paid for it. You shut down things like the cell phone
system. And of course they have a lot of different apps mini truckers depend
on when they are running that, so you just shut out down all the
shipping. So it's very easy to shut down stuff by this. What you've
been looking at this and your son is kind of a computer expert as well,
a cybersecurity or something. What is your take on it? Do you
think it was a multiple choice here? Was that the solar flare was at
ransomware? Was it an AT and T upgrade or was it a hack?
What do you think? Probably a little bit of everything. Well, when
I say that, I mean it in this light. I've got a friend
who I graduated from high school with. He's a dirt, poor farm kid
like me. He ended up being a director of electronics for Lockheed for their
skunk works, and he has a program a lot of them that he looks
at he's retired now, but one of them is the measurement of solar flares.
And he warned me a couple of days ahead of time that there were
going to be some really bad X class solar storms which would interfere, most
likely with a lot of our frequency systems in the country. Second thing being
my son is he's a very intelligent boy. I had to joke he was
sergeant of his Marine Corps couch sniper units and I said, you survived that,
and you've still got an IQ of one hundred and sixty five. He's
got himself a really good job. He's a very intelligent guy. He's the
cybersecurity one of the managers for a fortune five hundred company. There's only a
couple of them there, but he has a very unique perspective of what goes
on. And he said, the hacking has gotten an epidemic. It's never
going to stop, no matter what they put in for systems. And I
think the third thing that everybody is overlooking is the what I actually termed the
destruction of human productive time by technology colliding with itself. When I say technology
colliding with itself, I'm talking about such things as normal functions people use on
a computer that are constantly being updated, or they're getting to the point to
where two stage identification pingbacks. All of this are causing problems with him in
relating with other programs that they've been with. I spent an hour and a
half yesterday on the phone with my banker and I get a lot of the
They helped me out quite a bit, and it was it blew me away
what we had to go through to reconnect one particular system, and it's all
it's all from from. Some of this is necessary because of the hacking,
but I think some of it is also. I was involved with software development
one time. It was what I call the what if syndrome. People that
are working on these programs and are mrs mis directors are always saying what if
it could do this, what if it could do that? And they diffuse
their activities and in the process they think that their system is the only one
you're dealing with. So consequently, what you end up with constant changes to
programs that look simple to them and beneficial to the customer, but are total
disaster and are functioning without relating together. Yeah, I really think you probably
hit part of it. There is the I don't think so much hacking as
the solar flareres well, No, I looked at the solar flares, I
thought, well, it looks like this is more heavily focused on AT and
T than it is on other carriers, although there were several carriers that were
done, and I didn't see that anybody, even AT and T when they
came out with it, they said, well, we messed up a software
update. It's like, okay, well, if you messed up a software
update, how did that affect these other companies? And if it was a
solar flare, and you know, some people put that out, talked about
the X flare that was coming out, but then they also I think it
was Noah, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said no, it wasn't a solar
flare. So, but when you look at a solar I would expected that
just like an EMP or something, it would have affected a wider range of
hardware, and it would have been hardware based, and it would have affected
more than just primarily a handful of carriers and primarily AT and T. So
I looked at it and I thought, well, as you point out,
it certainly is a cybersecurity nightmare now and is getting worse all the time.
I just look at this stuff and what that's usually my fallback position. Somebody's
messing around with something deliberately somewhere. Now, who it is, we don't
know, right if it's a state actor, and you know, anybody can
look like anything that they want to at alt seven, we know that,
right, they got the tools to disguise themselves as Russia or North Korea or
anybody. But you know, is it done because of a criminal gang or
is it done by a state actor? That's always the things that we can
never really know when something like that is happening. But it does show the
vulnerability. And regardless of what happens, whether it is a physical thing or
whether it is a hack attack, whether it's done for private criminals wanting to
make money, or because of a state attacking another state, or because of
a false flag attack, that the bottom line is is that we have a
very fragile infrastructure, and it continues to get more and more fragile, doesn't
it. My god, I can't believe how we've pinted ourselves in a corner.
Yeah, we really don't have much of anything for defense. Against this
type of thing. I mean, these people have hacked everything. The postal
systems tracking service was down from what I can determine, during that time,
my mortgage company, one of the biggest, if not I think it's the
biggest in the nation. My mortgage company was down for eleven days. Somebody
got inside their system, and I don't know what all happened, whether it
was a ransomware thing, somebody wants three hundred million dollars or whatever to put
them back online, But they were feverously working to get the system functioning again.
Yeah. I cannot believe how we painted ourselves in a corner they I
mean, you talk about dropping a nuclear bomb in this country just as bout
as bad. Yeah, shutting his computer computer systems down, don't you think?
Oh yeah. As a matter of fact, that one person I talked
too frequently about cybersecurity issues, he just goes by the name of Goatree.
He says, you know, when he looks at this, he's a consultant
that they hire him to troubleshoot this stuff. His fallback position is when something
like this happens and it's some kind of an attack or some kind of equipment
failure. The first thing he looks for is, okay, so what's going
on with the people who might profit from this on the inside. You know,
he typically looks at it like an inside job, not necessarily a hack
from the outside by a state actor or by a criminal group for ransomware,
but usually sometimes it's going to be somebody doing something on the inside because you
know, they're getting ready for the environment and they want to do something janitor,
yeah, exactly, or the CEO levels revestigated. Yeah. It's just
that's incredible. How people don't They just don't have any concept. Shut your
cell phone off for a day, you get an idea of well, what
is the term they have? They have a term for it. No,
it's like an abandonment complex for a baby being left outside. You know,
that's the effect it has in your mind. And it just blows me away
how absolutely critical it is that these systems that were relying on them. Yeah,
and it just blows me away. But outside of that, I'm not
any expert on X class solar flies. I just know my friend called me
out of the blue, and he's got all kinds of electronics degrees and he
said, look out, you know, the next couple of days, and
there were problems, not severe enough to destroy the electronics, but severe enough
to enter I've had. I wasn't electronics in the air force archaic now,
but it wasn't severe enough to destroy semiconductors. It causes a reverse current room
that's too. It blows them up. Essentially, when it comes down,
it doesn't know which way it's going in a circuit in a circuit, and
if it goes in and it goes in the wrong way, it'll go against
what is the normal semiconductor flow pattern and it'll burn it out. But it
wasn't bad enough for that, but it's bad enough to disrupt the RF signals
that were being sent out. Yeah, And of course, you know when
you and I have talked in the past about EMP and the fact that the
government's not doing anything to protect against that. But even just the simple stuff,
the gross neglect that we see in the border situation, and that's a
whole nother area there that you know, we need to be concerned about,
and that is the fact that we just have a rampant crime gangs that can
come in that type of thing. I mean, your take on the on
the border and the kind of threat that presents to us and the kinds of
things that we need to do to address that threat. Well, what blows
me away is I ran across something the other day we're talking about. And
I'm not picking on anybody's church, because there's plenty to pick on here.
I've never even heard of some of these organizations. Eight number one got seven
hundred forty two million dollars last year was Catholic Charities US Conference and Catholic Bishop
Lutheran Church got four hundred and seventy one million. I don't know what Church
World Services is. Four hundred and thirty three million. World Relief that's supposed
to be another church, four hundred and sixteen million. Hebrew Immigrant Aide Society
one hundred and eighty six million, The Episcopal Migration Ministries whatever that is,
hundred and forty six million. These people don't need anybody to put in the
offering plate anymore. I mean they have money coming in left, right and
center. Apparently this money is being paid by us, yes, our taxes
into the UN and being dispersed back for those people, not on any other
basis other than they get paid per head. I think it's three hundred dollars
a head for each person. I don't know that for sure. Yeah,
yeah, so it's you know, you look at this founding, you can
you know, it's a perfect perfect thing for that because they can always make
the case. So they're doing it out of compassion and humanitarian interest, and
yet there is also a mercenary aspect of it, and they become tools regardless
of what their motivation is. They become tools of these this whole network of
NGOs. And I guess maybe Soros is the pope of some of those churches
or something, or fond of lying, maybe she's a pope of one of
these churches. They can say whatever they want to justify themselves. And I've
got this lunatic thinking in my family too. I'll just say it is,
if you want to live in a third world country, bring the third world
here, which is exactly what they're doing. They have no concept of what
six or thirty million people that are totally alien to our culture will do to
this culture. That's right. And I as far as the churches professing altruism
on this my last I parachuted into Zombia in nineteen seventy eight, and I
was astounded These guys said, come over here, look at this. And
I walked over to a pile of sudza. Suds's ground mealycorn. It's like
flower is to us. It's ground we to us. They grind up big
kernels of maize corn and put water in it and cook it. And I
went over there and I just about but had false fathy would dropping the ground
I could not believe donated by World Consulate Church's Methodist Senate. That's the church
I was baptized, and that's a church I was brought up in until I
told my mom, even despite her threats to water board me, I wasn't
going anymore. And I didn't go to that church for a long time.
But I saw this, and I was furious about it. They knew exactly
where this was. This is a Communist camp, and that's where the food
was going, and they knew where it was going. And then I find
out that sixty minutes had the one full hour on this, saying somewhere around
nineteen eighty four or five. Of course, they always report the news when
their side has won and they have got another thing to bash, and it
was bashing Christianity through this article. But they showed the same thing that I
saw, and my mother played the organ for fifty years into Methodist church.
I told her about this and he refused to believe me. You know,
I mean, rest her soul. She's a good woman, but she just
couldn't conceive that somebody would do this thing. So they could say whatever they
want bringing these people in. When Venezuela empties this prison system out, yes,
yea, and they're bringing them in me, it's already started to happen.
Cops were getting attacked. And we've seen this before. I grew up
in Florida. I remember when Castro emptied out his prisons and sent them into
Florida. That was nothing compared to the scope of what is happening with this.
And when you look, I've talked many times about that small, small
island in Italy where they had a population six thousand people, small island and
they brought in eighteen thousand young single males into that area that was supporting six
thousand. That's total chaos. That is completely destroyed. And that's my design.
And again, as you point out, our government is paying for it.
What do you think about what is happening at the border. I mean
I look at this, and you know, at first you can say,
well, at least the the the governors are saying, we have to take
some responsibility for this, and if the federal government's not going to act,
we need to do something. But they're not doing anything. I've seen Abbot
do these little, you know, displays of parking state trooper cars down at
the border and a small line. I've seen him do that kind of stuff
before. It's all focused on just one little town, an Eagle Pass,
right. You know, do you think that anything is going to change even
with this I was talking about this. I don't either. They're just they're
they're going through the motions. Yep, like typical politicians do. Go through
the motions, appear like you're doing something. You know who Michael Yawan is,
Oh yeah, he is very very distrustful of the Abbot. And I
tend to believe what Michael yan says because he has sources I believe that are
calling him in the middle and I tell him what, really, what's going
on? This is all purposeful. Yes, the attempts by states to stop
this certainly won't happen in Arizona, won't happen in New Mexico, they're never
going to put any kind of a border resistance or California Texas. Yeah,
they're going through the motions, but Eagle Paths is not going to stop these
people. No. And it's only a good two mile area there that they're
talking about, two and a half miles or something, and people have gone
down the border said look, there's nothing down here, you know, no
wall or big big doors on the wall and that type of thing. That's
my take on Abbott as well. And I've interviewed Michael jan in the past.
I think he is a straight shooter. I don't think that the Republicans
are straight shooters. They understand what people are concerned about and they will position
themselves and signal that they are doing something about it, when in actuality don't
do anything at all about it. So it's really up to us. And
how is this just said to definition? You just said the definition of apologician
side. Well, unfortunately, the Democrats will do some of the stuff that
they promised to do. Well what bad stuff? Yeah, Well, if
people go to my Civil Defense manual dot com look about the latest interview I
did. I did it with a group that I support. It's a disabled
organization and a god by the name is Stan Samanski. He's a brilliant man.
Uh. He first attracted my attention by some of them. He was
a financial planner. Some of the articles he wrote about UH, the potential
for disruption of our economy attracted my attention years ago. And Uh, Stan
and we did a back and forth thing. We call it wargaming the American
apocalypse because uh and goom, Well, I don't care what you want,
it's realism. It is going to go down. There are so many issues
confronting this country that have never collectively been there. You'll hear this from anybody
with a sound mind. There's so many issues affecting this country that I can't
possibly see mathematically that one of them doesn't happen. And Jahan says there's one
hundred and some thousand plus Chinese in He will not disclose his sources, but
I believe it's probably patriotic Americans in the Justice Department, the CIA, the
Homeland Defense. There are still people in there. I think probably eighty percent
of these organizations don't like what's going on, but the hierarchy and twenty percent
of them are basically pulling all illegal things that they want to do. So
to the point being this, if there are that many people inside this country,
it's no different than having troops in a uniform. He says. They're
all intelligence, police or military people, the vast majority of them. Again,
I don't know where he gets his information, but I tend to believe
what he says. He doesn't just come out and make stories up. Oh
yeah, and we had a thing a couple of weeks ago. I didn't
really cover it on the show, but there was a guy who was playing
piano in a public area in the UK, and there was a group of
young Chinese that were kind of there in the background and they were talking and
everything, and they got on his video and then they realized that they were
in the field of view of his video, and they confronted him and told
him he had to delete that and all that kind of stuff, and then
he kept the camera rolling and that became a viral video. That the fact
that they would demand that they have to have anonymity because they're here with the
Chinese government and all this, you know, that type of thing that is
happening all over the place, and we've seen the indications of that that the
Chinese are getting involved in universities and other things like that. It's it's a
very deliberate process. I've I've had quite a bit of an experience. I
come from a color crime box family. I don't have any Chinese, but
we've got Koreans and Vietnamese in my family. They're orientals. Again, you
know that's I love them or don't talk to them, depending on the way
they treat me. You know that I get along with most of them,
and it's not based on the shape of eyes or color of skin. And
I've got blocks in my family too. Point being this, Uh, the
Chinese are very xenophobic there. It amazes me. I have a good Chinese
friend, highly educated, who told me they were the original capitalists, and
I said, what, you're communists China. No, no, no,
that's that's all. That's that's all by the wayside, no matter what tongue,
dead or anybody else, we're all capitalists at artests in our DNA And
I was astounded to hear this person tell me that's why they came up with
this marriage between capitalism and this economy they have and the Communist party is because
they can't get rid of two things in the Chinese. The Chinese secretly worshiped
God if most of them are Christians. And the second thing is is they
can't get this capitalism out of them, no matter how many times they execute
somebody for secretly selling cigarettes on the street or whatever. They all do it.
And I was astounded to listen to that. But we have one hundred
thousand of them in our country. I mean, one rifle you can choot
a hole through the bottom of a transformer. This was done Medford, California,
I believe is the place they did it too. Something coordinated a spotter.
Two marksmen absolutely put a large part of the California electrical grid down.
And that was with about three or four shots from my powered rifles. We
have one hundred thousand. If only twenty five hundred of them get out and
start doing it, that's fifty people in every state. I noticed where I
lived, the power company has started positioning a vehicle outside of their transformer station.
That happened for about two or three weeks a month ago. Then it
just disappeared again. So, yeah, they heard a thread about that or
something. Yeah, And the problem is is that there's not a lot that
we can do about it. We can't get the government to protect the border.
And then even when you look at the government protecting the border, the
concern is are they going to set up some kind of a virtual wall that
is going to be a surveillance system. Is that then going to migrate and
to the rest of the United States? Is the wall going to be used
to keep people in? And when you look at it from just even an
economic standpoint, we have this giant welfare magnet pulling people in that can bankrupt
us. So how do we push back against this? You know, is
it going to be used as a cat's paw to get us to accept a
surveillance state, to accept a digital id in order to try to bring back
some sense of order. There's a lot of chaos that's being sown. But
what do you think is the key threat right now for America? To me,
the key threat is exactly what, well, let's put this as a
key thread. Are all of these illegals in this country that we don't know
anything about, We don't know where they are, nobody's watching them as far
as I know, And that is the key threat. They could bring our
infrastructure. You talked earlier about how dependent we are on the digital systems that
we have and power, and one of those could take out both of them.
And that is just simply destroying transformers stations and transformers and cell sites and
this type of thing. It goes down and everything comes to a standstill.
I can imagine, but I don't want to live through what goes on after
that happened. People in this country got two or three cans of beans in
the pantry and that's it. They don't have any food. They don't have
any water stored up. And that's the first thing that's going to kill people
is a lack of water. Why because I've read story. I've been with
that water for four days. I know what it's like. You start going
out of your head. And I've read and had people tell me that they
knew people that drank motor oil just because it was fluid. It's the insanity
that takes over your head. I was close to that too. I mean
it was well, I know there's the tales of people who get you know,
ship right, the ship goes down there in life and they're hoping that
they can get rescued or whatever some of them do, but you know,
they start against their better judgment. They'll drink seawater, you know, and
that's it. Well, we drank our five percent drip solutions. Did it
help us temporarily, but it puts you in a worse state afterwards. Yeah.
But luckily for us, I was too stupid to know what I was
doing. Luckily for us, we got out of it before too long.
But we're in such a fragile state that it actually it frightens me. I
think the biggest thing is an attack. I think that we don't tell me
that these people couldn't go door to door with lists of people you me included
judges, policemen, sure of federal officials and just kill people. Yeah,
let's to stop them from doing that. I'm seeing things about the Chinese coming
in. I don't want to pick on them. There's plenty of ones from
other countries. They're going to shooting ranges and shooting. Now. Part of
that is because the Orientals are deprived of guns. The Japanese they come to
Las Vegas, they'll go to and spend four thousand dollars in a machine gun
range because they don't get to shoot or have any weapons over there. But
the point being this is that I think the biggest danger we have, immediate
danger is the possibility of a coordinated attack. And everybody's got information on who
is you know, who fits into the conservative side or traditional who's a troublemaker
like you and I. You know, that is a possibility. I prepare
for that type of thing. But the bottom line is, and you need
to too. But the bottom line is, I don't think it would be
that so much. Why should they waste their time doing that. They can
take out this system by taking the electrical grid out and that happens without people
shooting holes and transformers. That happens periodically, and of course it could happen
in slow motion. You know, we're looking at what's happening in Mexico City.
They have they're facing a massive, massive water shortage. And again it's
an urban area, so these people don't have any backup system. They don't
have any well but they can draw from or anything that They're totally dependent on
infrastructure. They're one of the most heavily populated cities in the world, and
they're looking at not being able to get basic water to people. And that's
what this kind of chaos. A government that doesn't have is incapable or unwilling
to provide an infrastructure, and then you pack people together. And this is
a hallmark of what is happening at the border with all of these Central and
South American countries, you know, sending up prisoners, sending up cartels,
and I'm sure easily be very easy for the cartels to start doing incursions across
the border. They've gotten right up to the border, having shootouts with Mexican
federalies and that type of thing. So yeah, they've got some incredible military
hardware too. I mean, I've seen pictures of stuff that I mean,
you know where it came from. It came from Afghanistan most likely there or
the Ukraine. There's a lot of corruption going on there. But I think
that people don't really understand the water is taken. For granted, water weighs
eight pounds per gallon. If you're going to caul five gallons of water,
you're hauling forty pounds. Water is much more difficult to keep from spoiling,
so to speak, as bacterial growth, much more difficult to store then and
keep long term than food is. Really and people, you know, I
feel like an insurance salesman sometimes trying to talk to people about food because they
take it to grounded water. They take it to grounded It's like an intangible,
unseeable insurance policy because not that they can't see, this is just their
mind can't conceive of being without them. Yeah. But and of course people
go to the Civil Defensemanual dot com. You've got a free chapter there from
the book about water, because that is so key and so core that you
want people to have that information. You know, another thing too, Jack,
In just the last last week or so, the mainstream media has picked
up the case of this Amish farmer, Amos Miller. I don't know if
you saw that or not, but he's anything with the state Department of Agriculture
there. But they really want to shut down individual farms. Now, Thomas
Massey has got his Prime Act and he's taken this as an advocacy and it's
really resonated with a lot of Republicans, even with a lot of Republican officials
at the state level. And so now the mainstream media is pushing back against
all this stuff. It is really vital for them to keep us dependent on
them for their food. And so that's a key thing that you talk about
when we talk about our current food supply and how do we how do we
get this garden to a table type of food supply for our own benefit.
Yeah, and it's worse than garden a table. The systems they have now
you go to the grocery store and buy a loaf of bread, it's automatically
ordering another loaf of bread before you walk out the door. So by within
probably twelve to twenty four hours at the latest, they've restocked with every loaf
of bread that went through their cashier line. So if there were one thousand
loaves of bread, there's another thousand leves of bread. They're delivered probably by
two o'clock four o'clock in the morning. And in the process of this direct
from manufacture to the grocery store, there's no reserve anymore. It's it's an
absolute hand the mouse system. As far as supply, they used to have
warehouses full of foods, and of course they would move those fairly quickly,
but it's no longer there. So there they're literally we are we are standing
at the end of the water pump and waiting for somebody to crank to handle
before we can get our couple. It's it's the way it is, and
it's way that way with food. Also, it's very disturbing to look at
it from that side. A lot of people don't want to realize, Hey,
we're America. We we we've never had anything like third world problems like
this. That's because your graph probably geographically more than anything, we have never
really had to face these issues. But now the illegals inside this country and
the technology that we have saddled ourselves with, yeah, are threatening to change
that. That defense we had, that geographic defense, it's no longer there
people, and of course you know it's the technology has made us dependent on
it in so many different ways. Besides it just in time delivery. That
was the first thing you and I ever talked about, all these different legs
of you know, the supply chain. We saw that busted significantly during twenty
twenty after we had talked about it. I talked to you first time was
way way before twenty twenty. But you know, we saw a bit of
what happened with that. When we just had the arbitrary closure of so many
different things and even even changing the way that the products would be delivered.
You know, you're not going to be able to go to your office and
eat there in the cafeteria. You can't go there to use the restroom.
Those were all closed. So now we got toilet paper that's in a format
that we can't get to you even as a consumer. We got food that's
in a format we can't get to you as a consumer. All these sorts
of things. So we saw a massive you know, amounts of food being
destroyed, but people couldn't find anything on the shelf. It's so easy in
this kind of complex system to break it, just as we saw with the
cell phones and shutting down a lot of truckers because they couldn't get their cell
phone to work. So it's incredibly fragile, and I guess you know,
that's one of the reasons why your book is so important. I think it
is very important for people to start to take some measures anything that they can
do from the beginning, as you pointed out, just to you know,
getting a few you know, occasionally buying cans of food and setting them aside
because it's going to last for quite a while. Just got anything like that.
They can simply start storing some water. Yeah, water is the first
thing that's going to kill people. Either lack thereof, or drinking something that
isn't pottible, something that is not safe to drink. That could be any
water, bad water, or anything other than that. Can get water out
of a stream up in the mountains that looks so crisp, so clear.
Oh my God, this is from God. This is God's hand has given
me this water, and if you drink it, you'll be sick and a
dog. I've done this, I've been through it. I think that the
funny thing is we are so abundant here. My wife being from Zimbabwe,
Africa, formerly Rhodesia, she still is amazed to go find a tube of
toothpaste because there are forty fifty different types of toothpaste. What kind you want?
What fever do you want? What consistency do you want? Jelly?
You want a paste? And she has never gotten over there. She's been
in his country forty years, and she is blown away because she's been back
to Africa and you go to this toothpaste section, there's maybe one tube,
or there isn't any there, or they've got baking soda set in place to
use. It's a mindset that's caused Americans to think that were invulnerable we're invincible.
We can't have these things happen, and we've set ourselves up for a
fall with all this digitized infrastructure. So now you're talking about a Disneyland mentality
that people have that everything's going to be just fine, right, yeah,
yeah, until it isn't. That's right. In simple math. Being in
Las Vegas. I'll never forget the guy Jimmy the Greek. He was a
odds maker who was very, very popular, and he made a statement it
was just pretty much a maximum mathematics. Now, the further you are from
the point of something happening, the more probability you have that it will happen.
And we have gone for what seventy eighty years, we've never had our
food system, which consists in most people's mind of the grocery store. Now
it's pre packaged, delivered food or restaurant. We've never had any of those
fail us, that's right, and we've really become kind of kind of helpless,
kind of like Eloy or something. Karen and I went to New Zealand
nineteen ninety eight and we went on a jet boat ride that they had there.
That's one thing that they kind of developed there because they're shallow streams and
stuff, but they would take down these canyon walls where there were you know,
rocks and everything. They go really fast, and he has, Oh,
you're Americans, Well, let me explain this to you. He says,
this is not this is not a ride at Disneyland. He said,
if we're going towards something and it looks like you're going to hit your head,
duck because you're going to hit your head. I was like, Wow,
that's the way the world sees us. And I guess really he's kind
of right about that, because, you know, we really do believe that
everything's going to be just fine. We're going to be taking care of.
Everything's been thought of, and everything is planned out, and that's not the
way the world world works, you know, and you find that out,
you get the punch in the face. Yeah, learned. I learned this
from you. I think a couple of interviews ago, you made a statement
that people driving in the Third World, they don't have any line down the
center of the road, any dotted line, you know, they don't have
a line on the outside, a white one that tells them hey, you're
too far to the right, too far to the left, or whatever.
They don't have that type of thing, and consequently they are alert for other
drivers. They don't even have stop hunt. I remember driving in the mountains
on an island called Rowtown and Honduras, and I had to pick up I
rented and I came roaring around the corner. They've set rocks up. The
road washed out, so they set rocks up, no worrying signs, nothing.
I went over the hill and I'm barely missed the rocks. But you
brought the point up, which is very valid that Americans have so much of
this drawn out that has become mindless for us. Even drive, you got
a light that tells you to stop. Even if you go through that green
light and there's a car from the right coming towards you, most Americans would
look to the right and say, look at that damn fooling towards me.
You know, you've got a t bone me. You know, instead of
putting the brakes on. We've just become way too complacent with all of the
issues that are are hand delivered to us. And and take take the fear
of and I have a sense of entitlement. I've got the right of way.
Oh you're going to be dead right, you know about this thing if
you don't pay attention to it. But even to the extent that that you
know, now, the sense of entitlement extends to the fact, well,
you better not say anything that offends me, you know. I mean,
I'm supposed to be protected from any contingency, even from hearing harmful things,
you know. I mean, it's just we have become so so pacified,
so controlled, and we demand safety over everything else. And yet it's not
safe at all if you are not aware of your surroundings and if you don't
have the ability to be able to provide for yourself. That's why I like
to recommend Civil Defense Manual, because that's a good place for people to start.
You've got a lot of different areas where people can start, whether you're
talking about food or water, where you're talking about defense, whether you're talking
about organizing and a community. That's something we need to do, even for
a political standpoint, to start organizing at the local level. You know,
people talking about Christian nationalism. I said, no, talk about Christian localism.
You know, you need to build from the ground up. This book
will save people's lives. I've gotten into a battle in my family. I've
got a big family. I've got like fifty five cousins and grandchildren, nieces,
nephews, all that. That's why I got rid of my iPhone because
the texting was driving me crazy. They all think uncle Jackson cats mayow.
Well, I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear everybody's life
story all day. So I've gotten into a battle in my family, and
that battle is over freedom speech. And I'm not going to take the liability
for telling you listening listeners this. But I refuse to shut my mouth about
things. If somebody brings something up, I will counter it right there.
I Am not going to let tyranny rule over my family. When you've got
an obnoxious brother in law looking at you like, oh my god, you
got to you know, it's like you're holding up pir of a dead fish
up in your fingers, you know, and it's smell like terrible, you
know. And we don't talk about things like that around here. Well maybe
you don't, but I do because you guys brought it up. You know,
I've started doing it. I get into it with my wife because she's
English and she's a person that's used to being reserved and polite, and which
most people in the world to degree are that way much more than Americans.
We're pretty outspoken. But we're stopping that and I'm going the other way.
Now. Yeah, they want to intimidate you. They want to intimidate you,
and and if you you know what the you know what they don't want
you to say, and you can't self censor yourself. You know, that's
gotten me in a lot of trouble. That's got a lot of trouble with
all the social media, the YouTube and all the rest. They because I'm
not going to sell censor if I'm going to talk about the vaccines. I'm
not going to use a euphemism, you know, I'm just going to tell
you what this thing is. The vaccine is going to do this and that
to you, I'm not going to you know, dance around the topic like
that. And so as a result, you get banned for doing that.
But you know that, to me, that is the worst thing that we
can do. It's what Soulsey Nisen was saying. You know, don't live
by lies. Even if they're going to and you know pressure you on this,
You've got to speak the truth. As you know, it and and
not uh, you know, deliberately live by a lie in order to please
other people. And I think right now where we are is with the pronouns,
you know, I mean the pronounce How ridiculous is that? But that's
that's a good example. I started to support an organization at one point until
I got woke up. I don't know why I didn't see this in the
first email, but the director sent me. I took this personal lunch.
I was interested in helping these young kids that were being bullied at school because
I was terribly bullied at school. A lot of people, Oh yeah,
But I started saying to her, she he they it programmed pronouns and uh.
I just cut it off right there. I couldn't understand why this person
was using this refuge type thing. And I think they're doing more. They're
they're trying to, I think, in doctrinate these kids. You don't know
your sexuality, that's right. They want to confuse it. Yeah, we
were all bullied in school, but now the kids are are bullied in gas
lit you know, yeah, and groomed, you know, that's that's the
word. They just added that to it, and they're still being bullied.
Over the pronouns and other things like that, just in a day, different
way and by a different group of people. The people at the top are
blame them, right right. Most of the people I graduated with haven't been
more than five hundred miles from home. I've been all over the world,
and I'll never regret whatever they think they have and what I've had and seen
through my eyes and heard and felt going around the world. But going,
let me go back to one thing. You're talking about that farmer, that
Amish farmer in famous Midsylvania. Yeah, I mean, what is that raw
milk is going to maybe kill somebody? You know, the government has a
monopoly on death. They can give you a vaccine and try to force you
to take it, and well we can kill you with something that wasn't even
tested. But boy, you can't have raw milk. Yeah. I come
from a farm that we milked a lot of cows. I don't know.
I'm seventy seven. I think I'm pretty healthy. It might be dead to
more. But the bottom line is I drank raw milk all the time.
And what's bad about it, I don't know. But somebody's conjured this up
and government, if they're there they need to control. They don't feel like
they're complete and the day has when the sun goes down and they haven't gone
in and rousted somebody and told somebody the way it is. They don't feel
like they had a productive day. And that may sound a little bit opinionated,
but it is my opinion of government. At least in other countries.
Governments usually stay away from you. You either bribed them. They're all taking
money under the counter. And I'll admit I've done it. I've gotten a
friend out of getting arrested by the Thai police one time. It was a
lieutenant colonel and I went over and gave a shook hands money with the lieutenant
when the tourist police and said, look, I'll take him home. He
didn't really mean anything but that I took him home, told him to stay
side and shut your mouth because he was criticizing the King of Thailand. And
and that can get you, Yeah, that can get you in some serious
trouble. I've seen in Australian about six' five with about fifteen or twenty
ties beating the ever living daylights out of him just because he made a smart
remark and shouldn't have and you just learn to keep your mouth shut about the
king. He was a great guy. I mean, he took care of
that country. So I don't I'm not advocating type of government, but he
did what he needed to do first people, and you keep your mouth shut
about it. You're in there kind of just like if somebody comes to my
living room, don't start telling me how ugly my artwork looks, you know,
even though I drew it, you know. But anyway, I just
think it's incredible that they did what they did with this farmer. And of
course with your experience and so many different places, and of course you have
you've seen communism and action and of course a chant GPT and the Google.
Jim and I say, you can't criticize communism. That's not allowed, you
know, but we know what it really is and you've experienced it firsthand.
You mentioned an encounter that you had with somebody from Cambodia and phenomen Penn talk
a little bit about that. Well, I want all through Southeast days I
stay. I don't know how long I stayed there, but when you go
to these countries, you obviously if you've got the money, you stayed in
a nice place. I stayed in probably the nicest hotel. I think it
was seven or eight stories high in phenomen Pen and I was sitting there one
evening. I didn't drink. I don't drink anymore, but I didn't drink
any alcohol. I was having a cup of tea and I'm looking across the
Maykong River, which is probably a mile and a half wide there, and
I'm astoundher. It comes out of Vietnam and wanders up into Cambodia, I
think, in the layoffs, and I'm sitting there looking at it, so
peaceful. The people were so extremely nice. I had to think back to
when the Kimmera Rouge took over in nineteen seventy six. In three years,
the Kimme Rouge Communists killed, if anybody can believe this, one point seven
million people, one third of their population. Wow. And it was crazy
because they were trying to get rid of anyone educated. So if you wore
a pair of glasses and you were taken as being an educated person, because
most people over there now somebody had bad eyesight and an organization or somebody got
them glasses. A person could have no education. But they took these people
out and the swamp areas north of phenomen Penda, and it was a place
called the Killing Fields, huge long swamp area, and they wouldn't put a
bullet in the back of your head. They were getting rid of all the
intellectuals everybody, and they were getting it down to the peasants. And it
was going to be a totally farming country. There was going to be no
attorney's offices, none of this. And they did a pretty good job.
One point seven million people were killed by executioners putting a plastic bag over their
head, suffocating him to death, down to kids that were three months old.
Where do you find this stuff? You can go to a place called
toll Slang. It was a school they tortured to death seventeen thousand people in
there who were their jailers. Most of them were young twelve thirteen, fourteen
year old kids. People were killed there, but the majority of them.
And I'm sitting there and I can't believe. And I have this exceptionally nice
waiter, and I asked a guy what's I'm stand for and he says,
it means the City of four Faces, And I thought, well, that's
pretty that's pretty uh, that's pretty much justly represents what happens with humanity.
People don't think anything like that can happen in your society. Those people went
from being that pleasant person to the evil faces went on and the executioners came
out and it didn't stop until they killed one third of their population. That'd
be like us killing off one hundred and ten million Americans. And it devastated
the country. It set them so far back. But you go over there
now and people in Vietnam don't remember anything. Almost the most of the mere
in their thirties and forties. And I was just totally astounded how that could
happen. And I've seen this other place and we think we're immune from this.
I hope it never comes, but people can't put it out of their
mind. Food store, food store, water, buy yourself a shotgun and
five hundred rounds of shotguns, shell double out buck and some slug and I'm
not I used to say, go get yourself something for protection, but some
people think protection is having pepper spray. That's not going to do you any
good, you know you. Unfortunately, if it comes down to defending yourself,
the most efficient item is a firearm, and you need to have everybody
in your family know how to run it. But you need water, you
need food and medicines, and you can go on and on. What you
need to do is get together with your neighbors. Know who in the hell
is around you, because you if things go bad, are going to need
other people to help defend your area, to keep some civility, to keep
you people from getting harmed by gangs and whatnot, which is going to be
the first threat. But yeah, yeah, that's right. That's what I
like about your book. It's it talks about the psychology of getting together in
a group. You know, things to do that are good, things to
do that are not good in it, and and that is very important,
especially now that the government has it started focusing on Well, if you've got
a group of people and they got rifles, they're militia and they're bad,
and they're a threat to us and their sovereign citizens or whatever labels they want
to hang on people like that, it's very important that I get around that
in the book, and I specifically go in to the definition of militia.
And people are forming their their what they're called I call neighborhood guardians. That's
right for the defense only of their area. And it blows me away how
some of the people that think they're traditional now and conservative have been so propagandized
over the years in oh, you can't do that, that's against the law.
Well not really. Because I sat in the police board, I got
a pretty good idea which obstruction of traffic and obstruction of law enforcement and that
type of thing. Let me tell you something, if things go sideways,
which they will. If they go sideways, people are going to end up
in their neighborhoods they control, their area. Law enforces is going to love
them one less area to go in and deal with. Yeah, oh yeah,
that's right. And that's the other side of this, you know,
it's I interviewed a long time ago she Van Fleet and Tucker just interviewed her
talking about her book Mao's America. She said, I went through all this
stuff you call woke now. She said that struggle sessions and the you know,
the self denouncement and all this other kind of stuff that they're now doing
in universities and teaching people like that. She said that was all done.
You know, when she's wanting Americans what this looks like, and it's true.
All the stuff that you talked about with Cambodia. That was what mal
was doing with his cultural revolution. He was executing intellectuals. He wanted everybody
to be in agriculture, all that type of thing. And so we see
that. But then on the other side, one of the things that I'm
concerned about, of course, is all the talk when we see at Seapak
all these people, well, if we lose the election, looks like it's
a civil war. Everybody seems like on both sides of this are being primed
to come after each other. And we're at a time, you know,
like about every eighty years, you know, everybody gets antsy and they change
all the institutions and have a big financial crisis. But everybody is primed to
come after other people. It seems like the way this country is being divided
very very concerning to me. That is as concerning as what is happening at
the border. To me. This techno I blame most of this attitude is
polarization on the technology, and one of the worst violators is Facebook. Yep.
People have learned to say things over a computer that they wouldn't say in
front of you to your faith because you would punch their snout through the back
of their skull. That's right, you know, to put it crudely,
people would not put up with his face to face. So what they do
is they read this, they're angry, and it builds a pressure up in
him, just like it does kids when you have a zero tolerance policy.
My football coach, our gym coach used to take us to the wrestling room
and we would have what we call murder bawl, and it would be the
kids in the class, all of us kids in the class. The divide
him into two halves and one of eat and it's padded in this room,
and he throw a soccer ball out there, and the point was to get
the ball and touched the wall and the opposite in and of course while everybody's
looking for the ball, there's usually three or four guys over there punching it
out because they don't like each other, you know, and they get it
out of their system. We didn't bring firearms to school and shoot each other,
so it's like the gun free zone. This type of zero tolerance,
it's just on the opposite of what it should do. And you know,
I'll never be able to argue that was the teachers in my family because they
got PhDs. They can't tie their shoes, but they got PhDs. You
know, it's piled higher and deeper. Yeah, that's the key thing.
You know. The technology is isolating us from each other from human contact,
doing that so they can monitor and surveil everything that we do. But as
you point out the other side of that, that comes along with this isolations
that when we do interact with other people, we don't see them as human
and so it builds up this animosity because we're at a distance. And it's
just the I don't know. It just seems like everything that is being done
to us now is being done to heighten division, to sow chaos. And
whether it's the border or whether it's what is happening inside the border, it
seems like it is all compounding. Well, it's been great talking to you,
and again, I love your book Civil Defense. Manuel had a guy
who picked it up. He said that is worth one thousand dollars. You
know, so he said, I love the information that's in there. You
saw it as a pair. But I would encourage people to go to the
website sovil Eventsmanual dot com. You've got interviews there. You've got articles that
are there, You've got excerpts from the manual that are there. A great
resource. People always say, well, you know what can I do about
this? We need to be able to take action. We need to be
able to do this as individuals and as a community. That is the key
thing. And you've got a lot of answers in that book, and you've
got a lot of experts who have chimed in on that that you've created great
resources there. Always great talking to you, Jack, good to talk to
you, David. Take care, thank you, thank you very much.
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