WEBVTT 1 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.239 Back with you on Exus and Bros. Welcome to the second hour of the 2 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:29.640 program by Matt Sheppard. Trent Vallely is our producer and call us at the 3 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:34.880 Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three or text the 4 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:41.039 program sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I teased the fact that I want 5 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:48.600 you to think of the best four players athletes, doesn't matter the sport or 6 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:54.280 have them from different sports in the local programs. We're going to get to 7 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.679 that, I promise. It's something that I want to do, but we're 8 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:00.759 not going to do it right now. I want you to give you a 9 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.319 little bit of time to think about who those athletes would be at the various 10 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.480 schools. Justin Rochester. Who joins at eight thirty five, So we'll get 11 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:14.159 to that in the eight o'clock hour. I want to I want to talk 12 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:19.480 a little bit about the top Well we don't have to discuss this long, 13 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.200 but I want to ask you, Trent, where you think Miguel Cabrera ranks 14 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:32.480 in ESPN's Top twenty five players in the twenty first century. Widely considered one 15 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.319 of the greatest right handed hitters of all time, right where do you think 16 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:42.079 he ranks among players not abounds hitters of players eight? Wow, I would 17 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:48.280 have guessed higher. He ranks fourth. Okay, okay, that's I I 18 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.879 actually that makes me happy. I thought they were going to undervalue him. 19 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.599 Who do you think is won? Ah? Gosh, that's so hard. 20 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.799 I mean, they didn't put strout there, did they? No? But 21 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.560 why do you say it like that, like he doesn't deserve it? I 22 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.840 mean I don't know. It's I didn't that was no shade intended. Uh. 23 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.919 Did they put Jeter? No? Jeter wouldn't be wouldn't qualify long enough. 24 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:27.199 Albert Poolholes. Okay, they put pool Holes one Trout too. Here's 25 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:36.960 my issue. Clayton Kershaw three. Now, he's won three sign Young's, 26 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.639 he's been an MVP, he's a ten time All Star, he's won five 27 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.879 ERA titles, he's a triple Crown winner, he's won a Gold Glove, 28 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:52.280 He's thrown a no hitter. I don't want to throw in trends words shade 29 00:02:52.879 --> 00:03:06.439 on Clayton Kershaw, but we are nitpicking among the greatest players, so certain 30 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:14.879 things have to come into play. Cabrera has won two MVPs consecutive. By 31 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:20.159 the way, He's won a triple Crown, first one to do that since 32 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.800 Carl U Strimsky. He's a twelve time All Star. He's won seven Silver 33 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:30.039 Seluggers. He's won four batting titles. He's won a World Series two. 34 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:38.159 He's also one of just three players in the history of the sport to have 35 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:46.759 three thousand hits, five hundred homers, six hundred doubles. Something to be 36 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.719 said for that, don't you think? Well? Yeah, but are are 37 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:53.280 we sure that Clayton Kershaw is even the best pitcher of the twenty first century? 38 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.800 Hmm, good question. Would you have big game now in their prime 39 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:06.520 not now in their prime? Kershaw or Verlander? Verlander? And I'm glad 40 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:10.159 you said that because I just brought up both of their resumes, because I'm 41 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.199 kind of stacking them up looking at each other. I think Verlanders is more 42 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:18.240 impressive. Am I crazy? JV's got the two rings, He's got three, 43 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.160 Cy Young's, He's got an MVP. What does Kershaw have that Verlander 44 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:29.000 doesn't? Verlanders led the league strikeouts five times, Kershaw's only done it three 45 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:33.560 times. Verlander's got two no hitters, Kershaw's got one. They both have 46 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:41.639 a triple Crown same year. Oddly enough era title, Kershaw's got five, 47 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.680 Verlander's got two, so that's quite a uh feather in Kershaw's cap. I 48 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:50.000 don't know. I just I don't even. I like where you're going with 49 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.560 this, where Miggy should maybe be a little bit higher in front of Kershaw. 50 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.319 But I also don't even I'm not even convinced Clayton Kershaw. And I'm 51 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:00.000 a Clayton Kershaw fan, by the way, are you. Yeah, it 52 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.680 goes back to the whole Stafford connection as a kid. I just thought that 53 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.800 was cool and I liked it. But I would say Verlinder ten times out 54 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:12.120 of ten? Do you think Verlader will get to three hundred wins? Yes, 55 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.839 if he wants to. Because the way he's prolonged his career, I 56 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.600 think Verlander can play another two three years, which is crazy. I mean, 57 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.199 he's doing this. I don't want to just throw out a hole and 58 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.360 Ryan, but I'm just comparing it to the age. I mean, Verlander's 59 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.680 forty one years old right now, you can play another two three years? 60 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.879 I think, Yeah, what's he at like two sixty? Yeah, let 61 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.560 me look that up real quick. Okay. I think, first of all, 62 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:41.959 I don't think. I don't think he'll get to three hundred, which 63 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.160 is fine. It doesn't, you know, kind of by by any stretch. 64 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:53.600 It does not hurt his Hall of Fame career. I just I just 65 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.319 bring that up because I think he has a lot more wins. Correct me 66 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.879 if I'm wrong here. I think he's got a lot more wins than Clayton 67 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.319 Kershaw, and he's got a lot more wins than Max Schurz or two. 68 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:10.240 Yeah, for the record, Clayt Kershaw has two hundred and ten wins. 69 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.879 Verlanders is at two sixty, so you nailed it, Okay, fifty more. 70 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.759 Yeah, I just I just don't. I don't see him getting to 71 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:23.360 three hundred. I just don't, now that I see it in front of 72 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.879 me, I guess I don't either. I thought he was a little closer 73 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.639 to seventy ish, but he's not. That still would take an awful lot. 74 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.879 You'd have to win. Obviously you can do the math, but you'd 75 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.759 have to two have at least two more good seasons of fifteen wins. I 76 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:41.639 just don't don't. I don't know if that's I shouldn't say possible, because 77 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.560 it obviously is possible. I mean Justin Verlander has done that. Plenty wins 78 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:55.000 can be mis misleading for major league pitchers, right, But Verlander hasn't had 79 00:06:55.079 --> 00:07:00.480 fifteen or more since twenty twenty two, and he's only done that twice since 80 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.279 twenty nineteen some issues. So it's on the board, but not likely. 81 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:14.800 Is that fair? He averages seventeen in his career, He's not gonna He's 82 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.600 not going to reach double digits this year, and that will be three consecutive 83 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.120 years where he doesn't reach double digits. I just don't see that. I 84 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:26.519 just don't see him getting to three hundred. But that again, it doesn't 85 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.800 mean he hasn't had a Hall of Fame career. I was just kind of 86 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.439 hopeful that we would see another three hundred game winner. We will probably never 87 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:41.040 see one again in our lives, unfortunately. But Verlanders at seven, just 88 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:46.199 so you know, At eight is Alex Rodriguez, At nine is David Ortiz, 89 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:51.519 at ten is Max Scherzer. Eleven is Adrian Beltray, who I think 90 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:59.959 is too low. So Chelley unbelievable player. Three Tigers from the twenty thirteen 91 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.360 or twenty twelve team that went to the World Series in the top ten isn't 92 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:09.240 that something? Yeah, it is. The rest I think are pretty well 93 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:15.600 in line. Jeters at twelve, Rivera is at thirteen. He's ahead of 94 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:20.160 Shovie Otani, who will leapfrog a lot of these players if given the longer 95 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:26.240 resume. Mookie Bets is fifteen, Bryce Harper sixteen. I'm a huge Harper 96 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:31.519 fan. He doesn't have the ring and that hurts him, but he has 97 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.360 won two MVPs, He's been Rookie of the Year, eight time All Star, 98 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.039 three times Silver Slugger Championship Series, MVP, Home Run Derby champ. 99 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.679 Doesn't mean squad to me, but the other accolades are right there. Roy 100 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.799 Halliday is seventeen, Pedro Martinez eighteen, Buster Posing nineteen, and Zach Granki 101 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:58.519 twenty. Pretty good list, pretty solid. I'd take Randy Johnson over Zach 102 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:05.039 greenk anyway, I'm with you, Chef. 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Eighteen after the Hour. Why do 137 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:16.480 we reward bad people? Why do we reward scumbags? Why do we reward 138 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.919 slimeball? Why do you think we do that? And then we write about 139 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.840 him? And I'm guilty because I'm gonna sit here and talk about it. 140 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:35.360 August twenty seventh. Michigan football fans who despise Connor Stallions, who blame him 141 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:48.000 for right or wrong, for Jim Harbaugh's suspension, a hiccup and stress full 142 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:54.519 situation for their football team last year, is getting rewarded. He's going to 143 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:05.279 appear in one of three new episodes of Untold on Netflix. Three sports stories 144 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.840 that quote unquote, quoting to Netflix go beyond the headlines, the murder of 145 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:20.440 Steve McNair, the sign stealing of Connor Stallions. So this guy breaks the 146 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:28.399 rules, allegedly allegedly breaks the rules, and he's going to get rewarded for 147 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:33.879 it. They're going to give him a platform, yeah, to tell his 148 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:39.919 side of the story. I think it's ridiculous he hasn't people gave him the 149 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.720 opportunity to tell his side of the story, or we wanted to give him 150 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:52.679 an opportunity, couldn't necessarily quote unquote find him. He had money dollar signs 151 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.799 in his eyes the whole time. The other untold by the way, his 152 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.039 hope solo against US Soccer, not that they anybody cares. How do you 153 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:09.559 feel about this with Connor Stallion's whether you like Michigan or support them or not 154 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:15.440 not, just so you know, this will be the first time he shares 155 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:20.639 his views since resigning from his role in November of a year ago. Yeah, 156 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.039 and that's why I think it's a terrible look because I don't know, 157 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.919 maybe I'm reaching here, But if Michigan doesn't win the national title, is 158 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:33.080 he going to say anything about it? Trent Michigan is still being investigated by 159 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.720 the NC double A. I know no one wants to say it, no 160 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:37.799 one wants to talk about it, but it's true. It is, it's 161 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:45.080 happening. It's not like the NC Double A is swift in their investigations. 162 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:52.480 Still, how do you get something like this? Do you care? Like 163 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.679 will you watch it. You may not like it, you may disagree with 164 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.000 it, you may shake your head head that he's getting paid for it, 165 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:09.559 but you're gonna watch it, guaranteed. Yep. Sports fans in this state, 166 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.840 whether they like Michigan or not, whether they support the program or not, 167 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:26.120 whether they believe it was cheating or not, they will watch. And 168 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:33.679 Yet during the entire time those people, I suppose those who don't program were 169 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.000 kind of chuckling, but those who do support the program that they wanted him 170 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:50.879 out. He was the pariah. But they're going to watch it. Why, 171 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.519 we want validation on whether or not we were right, and we want 172 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:06.000 to be able to grind our teeth, make a fist, lower our brow 173 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:14.279 and scream at the guy saying I knew it was all you if you supported 174 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:23.279 Harbaugh in the first place. We have really lowered the bar. Maybe this 175 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:30.120 is too deep, but in our media society, we have really lowered the 176 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:37.960 bar. It's not recent. I mean it's been going on for a while 177 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.159 now. Hell it happened with OJ Simpson for crying out loud. But we've 178 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.799 really lowered the bar in terms of, you know, the content that we 179 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:56.600 want to provide to people and rewarding bad people. Now, Netflix would argue, 180 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:02.840 and before this airs August twenty seventh, we'll try to get a producer 181 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.960 on from Netflix about this, because I do want to. I do want 182 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.480 to ask them some tough questions. I think it's important, it's important for 183 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.559 our audience. So I promise you we're gonna start looking at that. We'll 184 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:22.200 get a producer from untold on Netflix. We'll do the best we can to 185 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:29.759 do just that before the air date of August twenty seventh, but we're gonna 186 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:37.160 ask them about why you provide this platform for a guy who broke the rules. 187 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.079 You know what the answer to that is, right, Well, we 188 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:52.680 get eyeballs. We're gonna get people watching this. This is not just Michigan 189 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.240 based fans. This is going to be a college football fans. They want 190 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.200 to know. Look, people from Ohio State, this is important for them 191 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.920 too. They want to be able to say, you know what Harbaugh did 192 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:10.920 cheat, We told you Conner Stallions did something at the direction of I don't 193 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.640 know if that matters. I don't know if the NCAA. I don't know 194 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.920 if it will matter to them. I don't know if it will matter to 195 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:26.079 the Michigan fans. You're not taking that national championship away. It's always theirs. 196 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.119 They tried to do it in the past, right, They've tried to 197 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.640 do with other teams. They tried to do with USC, they tried to 198 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:41.000 do with Louisville and Basketball twenty thirteen. It doesn't make Michigan the runner up 199 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.400 the national champion. Louisville still promotes the fact that they won the national championship. 200 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.839 If I were in charge of that program, I'd do the same thing. 201 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:56.079 So you're not taking the championship away. You're not bringing Jim Harbaugh back 202 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:03.000 to ann Arbor. All you're doing is justifying one person's belief or another. 203 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:08.640 If there's one person who thought all on they cheated, then this might prove 204 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:14.359 to them as that elixir that says, yes they did. If you didn't 205 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.000 believe that they cheated. How you read into this, And depending on what 206 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:26.400 the Netflix series shows untold what it shows, maybe you go see told you 207 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.720 we shouldn't have been penalized, but you tried to take it away from us 208 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.680 and you failed anyway. So there's all those things I think are part of 209 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:44.000 it. Is there any part of you that looks at this from a Connor 210 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:51.400 Stallion standpoint and says, well, I'm out. I don't think I'm ever 211 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:55.160 going to get another job in football. I'm not going to work for the 212 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:59.359 University of Michigan, that's for certain. I got to make my money while 213 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:02.359 I can't. Yeah, they're paying him to do this. They I mean, 214 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:03.960 they're they're paying him a shiny penny. I would have to imagine. 215 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.799 Yeah, but is there a part of you that says, you know what, 216 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:14.799 I get it make the money sure, because I think anyone who says 217 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.240 they were if they were in his exact situation and they wouldn't do it, 218 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:22.680 I think that's hypocritical. Agreed. It bothers me, and I think it 219 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.240 bothers a lot of people. Sounds like it bothers you too. Yeah, 220 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:27.599 it seems like dirty money. I'm not talking about crime or anything. I'm 221 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:32.000 just saying like, it just feels like, kind of like you said, 222 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.640 Shep, you opened it with slimeball scum, like you cheated and now we're 223 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.960 gonna give you a platform to tell your story and you're gonna make money on 224 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.680 it. Right, here's my issue, and I throw myself in this. 225 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:53.200 I love crime stories. I love movies about the mob. Those people are 226 00:20:53.200 --> 00:21:03.200 despicable people, and we reward them, don't we. Some of those people 227 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:11.519 who have told their stories, they've gotten money off it. Name some of 228 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:18.160 those flicks, Name some of those series guaranteed that they made money off it. 229 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:29.119 So how is this any different? Do you like certain Godfather like movies? 230 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.720 And if you do, and you know that, I'm not saying all 231 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.160 of them, but certain movies like that, whether it be Donnie Brasco or 232 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.839 Goodfellas or whatever, somebody's getting some money off that that you know, kind 233 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.880 of gave all the information based on a true story, and it ain't that 234 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:52.799 much. The integrity is pretty low. So I'm as guilty as anybody with 235 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.519 that, and I'll be guilty as as hypocritical here too, because I'll probably 236 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:02.759 watch it and in part watch it because we're gonna probably gonna talk about it 237 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.240 again. Okay when we come back here on x'es and bros. And we 238 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.799 always welcome your phone calls on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight 239 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.440 forty eight forty three, or you can text the program Sports Radio to twenty 240 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:22.200 one thousand. Another close one for Team USA maybe just maybe other teams are 241 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:27.880 that good or Team USA isn't that good. It's hard to believe, It's 242 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.279 hard to fathom, but it is possible. And the future rankings for one 243 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:38.839 website comes out. Where are the Lions not for this year, but how 244 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:45.240 they're built for the future. You might be surprised where they are. All 245 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.559 that and more coming up on another edition of X'es and Bros. Reminder, 246 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:55.359 Justin Rogers joins US eight thirty five across the great state of Michigan. 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Did you watch any of it? 276 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:48.039 I watched the whole game. Quick impression. Give it to me. 277 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:55.119 Lackadaisical. They don't seem very interested, do they not? Right now? 278 00:25:55.359 --> 00:26:00.799 But I'm not gonna worry. It's exhibition. They are the best players in 279 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.799 the world. They are the best team in the world. I know it 280 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:11.720 bothers fans, and I understand the disinterest, the ego perhaps, and you 281 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.440 know, the spearhead of the whole thing, the the flag bear for the 282 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.119 team. All that's it's Lebron James and a lot of people don't like him. 283 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.359 He's pretty polarizing, so I understand the frustration. But no, to 284 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:25.640 answer your question, chip. They don't seem very interesting right now, When 285 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.319 does it become concerning to you? If it's not now, So you're here's 286 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.200 what I'm reading into this, And that's why I ask you the question because 287 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:38.960 I don't I don't want to assume anything. Sure, if it's not concerning 288 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:45.880 now where you beat the Sudan by a point and you were favored by over 289 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:53.160 forty and it's not concerning that you had too many lapses in a four point 290 00:26:53.200 --> 00:27:00.440 win over Germany, they have to lose in order for you to be concerned. 291 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.640 Yeah, I know that sounds really really shallow, but yeah, if 292 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.160 they lose in match play or in group play coming up here in a week, 293 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.799 then I'll be concerned. And for the record, I think they're gonna 294 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.359 win every single game in this Olympics by double digits on route the gold. 295 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:21.480 I still believe that. I'm not going to debate you on that. I 296 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.680 think that's a solid bet. I think they're going to beat the South Sudan, 297 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.160 like I said, by at least thirty And I guess that's just my 298 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.319 point, sheep is I don't They're going to flip that switch and they'll be 299 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.400 just fine. That's why I'm not going to get bent out of shape about 300 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.759 group play and exhibitions. Although I do understand the frustration, I'm just not 301 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:44.440 going to go there. Well I don't. I don't know what the point 302 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.960 is scheduling them then is. And I'm not saying Germany's a bad team. 303 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.279 And you have Franz Wagner's on there, he had eighteen, Dennis Schrader, 304 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:59.079 who's a former NBA player. Yeah, Daniel Pace, big fella shoots threes. 305 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.000 He's an NBA player. Well, yeah, I mean they've got some 306 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.359 good players, don't get me wrong. They move the ball well, they 307 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.400 seem to have really good defense. They do have four current NBA players. 308 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.279 But I will say this, in watching Steph Curry, and he's the greatest 309 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.839 shooter of all time, I'm stunned at how poorly he has shot the ball 310 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.279 in the last couple of games. He was awful against the Sudan, and 311 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.079 yesterday every time I watched him at clank clank, he went one for seven 312 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.799 from deep. He had just thirteen points. What do you have twelve fourteen 313 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:41.640 the other day against the Sudan. It's a little surprising. Yeah. Again, 314 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:47.400 I just believe to answer your question earlier. You schedule these games because 315 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.079 you do want in some capacity, you want these guys to play together. 316 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.119 And that's kind of what you hear Lebron saying in the huddles and stuff. 317 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:57.200 Hey it's only our third game together. I don't know. I it does 318 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.799 feel like they're just going through them all right now? Does Germany had the 319 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.440 lead going into the fourth quarter? I know that's the second straight game. 320 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:10.960 I mean, and Lebron James, you could talk about his polarization and you're 321 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.440 correct about that, including with me. But against the Sudan he hits the 322 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.599 game winning bucket, finishes at twenty three, and yesterday made some big buckets 323 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.519 down the stretch, eight points down the stretch, finished with twenty points six 324 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:30.640 sports for US. This, Yes, it's incredible. I don't know how 325 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.519 to read into this. I don't know if I should be saying it's incredible 326 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.680 that the thirty nine year old can do that, or that Team USA is 327 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.799 relying on the thirty nine year old. You know, for what it's worth 328 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.079 too, they did they took a poll. Did you see this? They 329 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.160 took a poll and all the players on Team USA voted for who the best 330 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.079 player on the team was and they voted Lebron. Well, Anthony Edwards got 331 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.200 a vote. You probably voted for himself. Yeah, I don't know that 332 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.200 for sure, but well, that doesn't surprise me. I think a lot 333 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.279 of that's out of respect, but I do believe that's true. I don't 334 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.319 know how you know how I feel about Anthony Davis. I think he's been 335 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:11.400 really good. I didn't notice him a ton yesterday, which is a little 336 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:18.480 odd. Uh. And Joel Embiid, who I thought was was yeah, 337 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.920 because Davis got to follow trouble, right, But Joel Embiid was a guy 338 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:30.440 who I've been a little disappointed with, and he's a guy who needs to 339 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.240 He just needs to be better. Period. Well. I also I also 340 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.759 think, sorry, go ahead, I was just gonna say, but you're 341 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.480 right, there's no reason to be overly concerned with this team. I do. 342 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:51.079 These games, these tune up games, sure seem like to the players 343 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.240 they feel like they're meaningless. You know what it feels like to me, 344 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.319 he can't wait for the night life, you know what I mean? Maybe 345 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.200 it's and that's a good point, it feels like to me, And maybe 346 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.359 it's just because I'm watching Bill Raft recall the games and it's on Fox. 347 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:08.160 It feels like a college team that's kind of ranked in the top ten all 348 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.240 season and they have a couple of close games down the stretch, but then 349 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.680 when March hits, they turn that corner. I think next week is your 350 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:21.400 March for Team USA. That's I just I. I know it sounds entitled, 351 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.000 in cocky, whatever you want to call it, but I do think 352 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:26.640 they're going to wake up and eventually just be like, Yeah, we're the 353 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.759 best. We're the best country in the world at this sport. This is 354 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.880 our sport, this is our game. You might have a Yannis on Greece 355 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.039 or a Jokic for Serbia, but at the end of the day, we 356 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.039 got fifteen NBA players and we're going to kick your butt. Yeah. I 357 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:48.240 mean I that that hasn't always worked, as we all know. But I 358 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.640 would say in World Cup play more or World Championship played more so than the 359 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.960 Olympics. But I do believe if they struggle, and I don't think they 360 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.480 will, but if they if they do struggle, this is where fans go. 361 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.880 See, this is why you needed to care a little bit more in 362 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.519 those exhibition games. If they don't struggle then that people are gonna say, 363 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:13.880 what's the point of those exhibition games? They really weren't that big of a 364 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.920 deal. Let me get to some techs because I know we've got some techs 365 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.119 out there. Fire away and you can text the program sports radio to twenty 366 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.079 one thousand. Yeah. We'll backtrack a little bit to our discussion about Michigan 367 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.799 football and Connor Stallion's this. Texas says, in the last twenty seven years, 368 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.400 Michigan football has one and a half championships and only the half one is 369 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.880 legit. Now, I don't agree with that. I don't think Sheep does 370 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.880 either, because you can't take the banner away from them. The NCAA is 371 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.359 not going to do that. But I do think there are a lot of 372 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.839 fans out there that feel this way. Am I wrong? Uh No, 373 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:52.799 I think you're right about that. What makes it illegitimate? Well, that's 374 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.119 that's what I'm saying. I agree with you. I don't think it's legitment. 375 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.519 They're gonna You're gonna tell me, look signs stealing. This is a 376 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.359 slippery slope. This happens in baseball two. Is it part of the game 377 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:15.799 or is it taboo? I think most people would agree it's part of the 378 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.799 game. How you, Yeah, it's how you It's how you get those 379 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:30.200 signs. It seems very odd to me during this whole thing that Michigan or 380 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:37.440 specifically hard About wouldn't know what was going on. Now here's what else want 381 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.559 I ask you. If you recall there is a belief and a report that 382 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:50.039 Ohio State was stealing them and giving them to Iowa and other teams were doing 383 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:58.559 the same thing. You know, I don't think it's an illegitimate championship. 384 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:06.799 I think football especially I'm not justifying what was done by any stretch. Okay, 385 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:14.519 it's bs. Here's what I always ask people. You go into a 386 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.960 stadium, how many people have phones? Every single person? How many people 387 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.000 could be rolling on those phones while somebody is indicating signs to a defense or 388 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.199 an offense. In theory, every single person right could be So that's always 389 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.400 a possibility. Number one. Number two. The other thing about football, 390 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:43.280 you are constantly making adjustments. It's never ending in a game. That's why 391 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:49.679 they go to the tab, the tablet on the sidelines to check it out 392 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:55.800 and see what they need to do to adjust and readjust and every team by 393 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:01.639 the way changes their signals. Have you ever noticed you've got an offensive coordinator 394 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:08.039 any sandwiched by two of the backup quarterbacks. Yeah, one wearing a red 395 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.079 jersey, maybe one wearing an orange jersey, one wearing a green cap, 396 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.840 another one wearing a red cap. Whatever. One of those guys is giving 397 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:21.800 you the signals, the other guy's not, and then in the second half 398 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:30.440 perhaps they switch. So there's a lot of different things that go on in 399 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:37.639 a football game that we're not always privy to. But I'll guarantee you this 400 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:44.559 is a guarantee that signals are constantly being changed. Again, not justifying it, 401 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:52.000 just saying teams are always adjusting on the fly in that sport. Let's 402 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.039 go to another text. This texter says, let's not pretend Stallions is the 403 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.400 victim here and the only one who benefited from the cheating. The university benefited 404 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:07.360 by playing in title game money players also did merch, et cetera. I 405 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.199 think that's an interesting angle. Yeah, I'm not saying that he is the 406 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.559 only one. I just for for a guy who did this, this will 407 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:22.119 be an interesting view. But for a guy who did this and admitted to 408 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:27.480 to get rewarded is a little bothersome, that's all. And that's a different 409 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.920 that's a different angle, and I respect it. Yeah, yeah, I 410 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.480 just that's here. Let's let me ask you this, chef. So I 411 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:37.239 I don't think the title is illegitimate. I'm not gonna go there, but 412 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:43.239 I do think it's totally okay for fans to not respect Jim Harbaugh and not 413 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.880 respect that program anymore if they did beforehand, you know what I mean. 414 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.159 I think I have no problem with that. Well, the program one thing. 415 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.280 I mean, I suppose Harbaugh is a different thing. And yes, 416 00:36:53.599 --> 00:37:00.280 I understand where that mindset comes from. I guess my question would be if 417 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.920 a guy says I didn't I didn't order that, he didn't get paid by 418 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:13.639 us to do that, We didn't pay for any of that, you're you 419 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.639 just don't believe him, right, right, that's what you're saying. So 420 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.079 you're saying, no matter what, no matter what he says, as in 421 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:29.519 Harbaugh, who's a different cat man, but you're gonna say I don't believe 422 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:34.159 him period. Well, I just I'm with you. I don't see how 423 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.519 there's any way he didn't know about this in some capacity. And that's where 424 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.400 I also I don't know this this counter Stallion's what's it called untold, this 425 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.159 documentary that's coming up. What are we gonna learn? We're gonna learn anything, 426 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.400 any anything of substance. I should say, well, I sure hope 427 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.599 we do, like, like what what are we going to But that's what 428 00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:01.159 the untold story is supposed to, you know, reveal what that's what it 429 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.159 is. I mean, if all we're gonna hear is the stuff that he's 430 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.199 already said, it doesn't fall into the category of on to told well, 431 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:14.000 we're not gonna hear him come out and say, oh I had Harbaugh's help 432 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.880 with this or why not. I just don't think I mean, if he 433 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.239 did, I mean, that's the untold part of it. Yeah, I 434 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.199 agree with I completely agree with you, and I know that that's what this 435 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.440 documentary in theory is supposed to shed light on. I just don't think it's 436 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.599 gonna happen. I don't think we're gonna get anything. We're not gonna walk 437 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.679 away from that documentary and be like, oh, so that's why they did 438 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.840 it or that's how they did it. So that'll be more frustrating for me 439 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.639 than anything else. Right, that's the case, because then nothing is untold 440 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.039 number one and number two. What you're looking for is for clarification, not 441 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:55.320 justification. I'm looking for clarification. If Harbaugh's behind it, and people then 442 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:02.440 can justify the belief that it's an illegitimate chanceapionship if he doesn't, if he's 443 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:09.480 not behind it, would that make you say, all right, I believe 444 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:16.719 him. I don't know if that's how people feel or not. My guess 445 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:23.840 is this that will stick with Jim Harbaugh from his detractors for the rest of 446 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:29.480 his career. Yep, it won't matter. It won't matter what Connor Stallion 447 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.719 says. All right. One more text before we hit a break, Texas 448 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.039 says, the ninety two Dream Team average margin of victory in the first three 449 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.280 games was like forty eight points per game. This team, ain't it agreed 450 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:47.360 on I'm I'm glad you texted that. Thank you. I said that the 451 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.480 other day. I said it. A couple of weeks ago. We had 452 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:58.519 an article out there where somebody had the goal to say, this team that 453 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.079 has assembled this year is among the is could be the greatest of all time. 454 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.440 And I wouldn't say I went off, but I was pretty pissed. 455 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:15.239 You weren't happy. I was really pissed. Okay, you go to the 456 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:21.440 Olympics. Team USA beat Argentina one sixteen to forty eight. They beat Croatia 457 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.480 one o three to seventy. They blew out Germany one eleven to sixty eight. 458 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.800 They smoked Brazil one twenty seven to eighty three, dominated Spain, which 459 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.400 was good, one twenty two to eighty one, blew out Puerto Rico one 460 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.920 fifteen seventy seven, opened up a can on Lithuania one twenty seven to seventy 461 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.280 six, and then embarrassed Croatia one seventeen to eighty five. You know what 462 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:47.920 they did. They did what everybody thought they would do. They dominated them. 463 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.440 And before you get to well, I mean, they really wasn't that 464 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.719 big of a deal. And this is just a warm up. Here's the 465 00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.559 scores from the nineteen ninety two Dream Teams warm ups. You ready, one 466 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:07.079 thirty six to fifty seven, one oh five to sixty one, one twelve 467 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:13.599 to fifty two, one twenty eight to eighty seven, one nineteen to eighty 468 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:20.199 one, and one twenty seven to eighty that's in the Tournament of the Americas. 469 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.519 The point differential seventy nine, forty four, eighty or sixty rather forty 470 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.719 one, thirty eight, forty seven. You think they trailed going into the 471 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.239 fourth quarter in any of those games? No, you think they were down 472 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.840 at the break, of course not. You think they scored forty four points 473 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.800 and a half. Come on, can I ask you this right before we 474 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:46.119 go to break here? Group play starts on Sunday. 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