WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.160 We are continuing with our Pastors Behaving Badly series where a pastor's lawyer is engaging 2 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:09.679 in some victim blame. Tao has the story tale No. Yeah, you 3 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.359 know, as soon as I got invited here, I knew that there was 4 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:16.879 going to be at least one story about a pastor abusing children, because we 5 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.679 have talked about this over and over again. If you don't believe me, 6 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:23.359 go and check the nonprofits of May thirty, first, two and twenty three. 7 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:28.199 There we talk about the Catholic Church realizing realizing that Princes has abused many 8 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:31.640 more children than they could have imagined in Illinois. Or go and do the 9 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:35.439 same with the first of January of the same year, where we talk about 10 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:41.079 almost two hundred sexual predators in Kansas only from the Catholic Church. And I 11 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:45.479 have talked about many of these cases on my own in other shows. For 12 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:49.880 example, Nason guing Garcia, the leader of the Igleci La Luste Mundo, 13 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:55.399 the guy Marcel Marcel Masel from Legnarios de Christo in Mexico, he have you 14 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:00.600 sad almost two hundred children, Fernando Cadavima and Chile who have used hundreds of 15 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.879 children, and the Pope when went to defend this guy, he accused the 16 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.959 victims of slandering because they dare to talk about what happened to them. And 17 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:14.840 in Argentina there was a whole school of their children who were raped by sorry 18 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:19.680 priests from the Catholic Church, and the Vatican did nothing. And why does 19 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:25.480 this happen? Well, because churches suddenly teach people to obey without questioning anything. 20 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:29.840 They give those guys a lot of power. They put them in positions 21 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.519 when they become untouchable. And that's how we have this story from NBC News 22 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:40.959 written by Mike Heisenberg and Antonio Hailton, published in July nine, twenty twenty 23 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:46.599 four, about this guy what's his name? I totally forgot it Robert Morris, 24 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:52.799 whose lawyer accused a twelve year old child of quotation mark seducing the pastors 25 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.879 so he could ripe her. That's absolutely disgusting. I often asked myself, 26 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:02.840 how can a child seduce a grown ass man? Well, stop, that's 27 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.199 my question, Aaron. Can you answer that question for me? I can't 28 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:13.479 because it's not possible. This is, unfortunately, one of the problems with 29 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.639 the culture of Christianity. I don't know if it's worldwide, but it's certainly 30 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:24.199 in this country. It's this culture that makes women responsible for men's sexuality and 31 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:30.120 sex acts and things in that nature. You know. Where this guy, 32 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:36.520 after he was caught he can he preached a message of oh, I have 33 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:42.240 repented and I have been forgiven. And at one point in the story he 34 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.360 shared the Old Testament story of King David's son Amnon who raped his half sister 35 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:52.199 and then and instead of presenting it as a cautur taiale against men, like 36 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:57.680 this is a bad thing to do, he intend instead use it as a 37 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.960 warning against women that allow women does allow men to sleep with them before they 38 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:07.599 are married. Bile and awful and disgusting. And it's the teaches me that 39 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:12.400 they're not responsible. They're just sexual beasts, sexual creatures. Whatever they do 40 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.240 and whatever they want, it's okay, and it's up to the other person 41 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.159 to stop them. And it's just it's just disgusting and it needs to stop. 42 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:27.479 I never quite can wrap my head around any time that a person is 43 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:35.039 being blamed to the point where they are a child and the person who happened 44 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.240 to be the adult in the situation is saying that the child is responsible for 45 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:44.479 the adults action, and that's like something that does not happen anywhere, And 46 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:50.599 to me, it's just a way to move the goal posts so that the 47 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:58.439 person who actually was the victimizer does not have to be responsible for their action. 48 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.039 Kara, I, I am curious to hear what they How do we 49 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:12.360 interpret the allegations against Robert Morris and what does this case reveal about the responsibilities 50 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.000 of really's leaders tools or congress, especially mine. Well, yes, I 51 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:23.120 think this case in particularly reveals that pastors and church leadership have not fulfilled any 52 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:28.959 kind of moral or ethical or even legal responsibility towards minors in their churches that 53 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:34.279 are being abused. And the language that we're hearing even after this pastor is 54 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:41.279 confessing to having done this, or is explaining or trying to excuse himself by 55 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.720 saying, oh, yes, I reported this years ago by telling the church 56 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.720 leadership that I had engaged in a moral failure or in another place he says 57 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:58.079 inappropriate sexual behavior. These are euphemisms, These are not confessions of wrongdoing. 58 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.800 At no point does he use words like abuse or child molestation or anything that 59 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:09.439 would make him responsible for the actions. In fact, this type of language 60 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:14.000 I think we see happen a lot of times in churches, and it very 61 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.680 clearly sets up the situation to where now we can say, oh, this 62 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.759 was a mutual sin or oh, this was something that the pastor was led 63 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:29.360 into by a sinful usually woman, not always or child, and you can 64 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:34.480 see it written all over the way it's described, and these moral failures or 65 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:40.480 inappropriate sexual behaviors are not regarded as disqualifying for someone to be a pastor. 66 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.560 Again, the church leadership in this case mentioned that, oh, yes, 67 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.399 he had confessed that he had had this moral failure in the past, but 68 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:53.600 he had repented, and so we reinstalled him in a church, and he 69 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:58.319 now has access again to families, children, women, men, girls, 70 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:03.000 boys, non binary folks, anybody in this church he now has access to. 71 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:10.879 And the language that's being used here is being very deliberately deployed to make 72 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:15.639 it someone else's fault other than his, and something that bugs me a lot 73 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.319 about some churches. I don't know if it's the case in his, but 74 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:23.399 I know in some evangelical churches. My experience has been that sometimes people are 75 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:29.240 even encouraged when they're giving their testimonies where they talk about, oh, listen 76 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:34.079 to how awful I was before because of whatever reason, but after I found 77 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:39.759 God or I was redeemed by Jesus, you know, now I am not 78 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:44.839 engaging in these behaviors anymore. And it almost seems like the more atrocious their 79 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.439 previous behavior was, and the more graphic and detailed their testimonials are, the 80 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:55.439 more praise and adoration they're going to receive. And it almost feels like this 81 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:00.360 way of talking about this behavior is encouraging it rather than sanctioning it. And 82 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.519 it seems that that is certainly what happened in this case, where at no 83 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:08.199 point was he held to account for what he actually did. Instead, we're 84 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:12.759 blaming a twelve year old for his behavior, which is just absolutely disgusting. 85 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.079 And I hope that answered your question. I think I might have gone off 86 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.279 on a little bit of a soapbox there. You know what, soapboxes on 87 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:25.040 the nonprofits is absolutely required and welcome, just to let you know, but 88 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:29.560 you made a point there. I was just thinking about my time in the 89 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:34.040 you know, church, where a big thing that a lot of people who 90 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:39.839 entered into ministry and also some of the congregants did was like the whole testimony 91 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.199 serving right, and they would give up, and they would talk about like 92 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:48.240 how much of a wretch undone they were, and all the different salacious behaviors 93 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:55.319 that they engaged until they found Jesus and then they were absolutely saved by the 94 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.240 blood of the Lamb, the blood, the blood, the blood. And 95 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:03.120 it just seems that I remember being in the pew listening to some of these, 96 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.839 you know, tales of you know, Gale, and how it seemed 97 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.120 that every other week, if we're doing this like back to back, that 98 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:16.759 somebody just had to get even more graphic or more horrible, like depending on 99 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.319 what it is that they are testifying. And then you know, being able 100 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.279 to talk about the redemption of Jesus in their life, and and and and 101 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:30.319 even like some you know pastors who happened to be very famous in the evangelical 102 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:35.799 circuit are known for their really wretched past, you know, for lack of 103 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.440 their term or sometimes I'm just actually just quoting them, like I was a 104 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.279 wretched undone, I had a wretched pass, I was quite sinful, and 105 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.120 and these are all the things that I did, and I've been redeemed, 106 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:52.200 And it seems like that for some reason, and I guess like it's maybe 107 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:58.320 part of the whole tale of the of the Christian mythos, where we had 108 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:05.679 like two different patriarchs from the Bible who were really horrible to say in the 109 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.039 least with their behaviors, and then you know, God stepped in and redeemed 110 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.320 them, and then they became like, you know, the greatest leader that 111 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.440 ever walked the face of the earth. And it seems like that for some 112 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.720 reason, and I could be wrong, and I would love for you all 113 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.480 tell me, but it just seems like that, you know, the more 114 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:26.559 horrible the patriarch was, the more praise they were because of how they came 115 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.480 out because of you know, God redeeming them from their past tale. I 116 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.080 know that you introduced this story, and I'm wondering what are your thoughts about 117 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.000 what I just said. And I also want to ask you how do you 118 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.639 feel about the leadership's responsibly of the Gateway Church. I mean, do you 119 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:50.200 think it was adequate or transparent or not. This is one of those topics 120 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.879 that I took over and over and that they always seek enemy. It's terrible. 121 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:00.879 I have mentioned before that I'm even surprised that this is so common that 122 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:05.600 churches have their own insurance for when pastors have used children. And this is 123 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:11.440 not something that I made up. You can go and check ministry Insured dot 124 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:18.200 com which has a special page only for churches explaining them how to deal with 125 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.840 abuse mon station and I have here something that I want to quote from. 126 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.039 And this is another one. This is charge law on tax dot com. 127 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.919 They do the same. Actually, there are many, many, many pages 128 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.159 offering insurance against child abuse, specifically for churches, and they have these specific 129 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.399 pages only for churches. And this one says, these days, churches gould 130 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:43.960 do well to particular to pay particular attention to sexual abus liability coverage, as 131 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:50.480 child abuses cases involving churches and ministries are on their rise, especially as states 132 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.440 look for ways to extend the time victim have to see justice, almost as 133 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.759 if this was a bad thing. And yeah, sadly, this is so 134 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:03.320 normal, so common that churches have their own insurance for this, and we 135 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.679 are supposed to see this as something normal, regular and that we should kind 136 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.960 of accept. Now, it makes me sick. It makes me extremely sick. 137 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:18.240 It's fact extremely disgusting, as Aaron said, And yeah, blaming a 138 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.320 child and saying because worst of all, the situation is this, this guy 139 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.960 was received at the house of this family. The parents obviously very religious people, 140 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.639 were extremely happy to have the father there or pastor or whatever. And 141 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.440 he started calling the child to his room, and of course the parents said 142 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.840 that this child had to obey. So imagine being so such a disgusting piece 143 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.039 of shirt that you're in a room alone, you call this child, tell 144 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:48.120 this child come here, start touching this child, and you tell the child, 145 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.639 don't tell anyone to your parents. This is between you and me. 146 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:56.080 And then no, no, of course she seduced me under her parents roof. 147 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.919 It was her responsibility. It's one of those things that makes me extremely 148 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.120 angry and they find extremely disgusting. So yeah, of course, all add 149 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.039 actions that they have taken, just like the ones that they mentioned at the 150 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.200 beginning when I introduce the topic, I think they have always been wrong. 151 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.840 Is extremely disgusting. How churches protect pedophiles. It makes me sick. It 152 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:24.360 is absolutely insane that we are unable to hold spiritual leaders accountable for their actions, 153 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.799 especially when they take certain assaults against children. It's almost like, not 154 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:39.080 almost, it is enabling these church leaders to be able to basically wrought violence 155 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.639 against children because when you're assaulting them, even if it's actually it's still violence 156 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:50.080 to the point where these kids are going to actually feel and be traumatized for 157 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:56.080 the rest of their lives. I mean the young lady now who regaled or 158 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.559 talked about her abuse when it came to Robert Morris I believe her name is 159 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.120 Cindy Klempshire. She talked about her journey and talked about all the different things 160 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.200 that he did to her and how it's something that still affects her to this 161 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:16.080 very day, and she is an adult and there is It's absolutely insane to 162 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.960 me and completely unfathomable to me. And I know that I'm going to keep 163 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.879 saying this because like it makes me upset as a parent, as a person 164 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.960 who is in the social sector that you know, when I see abuse, 165 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.799 I am obligated to per report it. Whether it's this elder abuse, adult 166 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:39.000 abuse, or child abuse, I have to report it. And I don't 167 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:43.360 understand how myself, being you know, a social worker or any other person 168 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.279 who happens to be in that particular industry or held to that high standard, 169 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.320 but church leaders are not, don't I don't get it, and I don't 170 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.480 really understand what is going to be the thing that's going to change this around, 171 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.000 especially even when you have a lawyer saying that, well, you know 172 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.799 this twelve year old girl seduced is I believe he was twenty one years old 173 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.600 at the time, man, And we already know that children cannot consent to 174 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:16.000 sex. They cannot consent to sex. They don't have the mental capacity. 175 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.279 They have an undeveloped prefrontal cortex to make higher functioning decisions, so they can't 176 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.399 consent. And the only thing that you can do is groom them and coerce 177 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.879 them to do your bidding. Aaron, what are your thoughts when you think 178 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:35.879 about Cindy specifically and her seeking justice. But she's still struggling as a victim 179 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.519 of abuse within this religious institution that's still, like, you know, trying 180 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:45.480 to push to blame on her for the actions of a grown person. I 181 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.799 can't even imagine how difficult it must be for her. From the stories I've 182 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:52.000 heard from other people, It's like it's like being re abused over and over 183 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.919 again when people won't take responsibility, When people that are responsible don't get protected 184 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.080 and aren't forced to take a account for it. It's just it's like you 185 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.120 you relive it over and over and over again, and so my my, 186 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.240 my heart goes out to her and uh, the courage that she has to 187 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.440 to stand up and try and try and get justice and have her name out 188 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.279 there. I don't know anything about her personal life, she's still involved in 189 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:20.679 this church or any other church or not. I would be personally, I 190 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:26.399 wouldn't be. I'd be surprised as she was. But it's it's it's just 191 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:31.320 it's awful. Yeah, it is awful. And and I'm wondering, Kara, 192 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.120 what do you think is the right thing that you know, the church 193 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.440 could do, Like the church leaders specifically and the ones who happened to be 194 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.080 looking onto this particular case and even seeing like this young lady struggle still to 195 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.360 this day, Like, what are the actions that they should take instead of 196 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.080 just you know, co signing with the lawyer saying that no, she's not 197 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.519 the victim, she is the purpose. Oh absolutely, I think it's actually 198 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.799 very simple. They need to stop coming up with these excuses and lies and 199 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:10.320 counter allegations against a twelve year old child who was molested and instead take her 200 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.519 seriously her case that she originally brought was asking for money to be compensated for 201 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:22.360 trauma and counseling services that she has had to receive over the past several decades 202 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:26.679 as a result of this incident. They need to pay for that, I 203 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:32.120 think, first and foremost, simply settle the suit for what she's asking, 204 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:37.919 which is in my opinion not at all unreasonable, and quit spreading slanderous lies 205 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.919 about a twelve year old being responsible for this happening. How about instead take 206 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.360 responsibility and come out and say not, We're going to do everything we can 207 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.039 to deflect and deny and blame and shame and protect this pastor. But how 208 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.759 about call out the sin if they truly believe that this is a sin, 209 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.200 which I certainly hope they do, although they have not convinced us of that 210 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.480 yet by their actions. I think the answer is to say, we do 211 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.400 not support this, we do not condone this, this will not take place, 212 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.839 and here are the steps that we're going to take to put in place 213 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.319 measures to ensure that nothing like this happens. And it's going to take a 214 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.599 lot more than just statements, because, as we've seen in the story, 215 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:26.440 there's this culture of talking about sexual abuse in a way that is shameful towards 216 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.200 the people who have been abused, and in a way that causes victims to 217 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.400 not feel comfortable coming forward and know that they're going to be blamed and put 218 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.839 under a microscope and told that, oh, well, everything you did was 219 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.599 you know, lust inducing, and you were a stumbling block and everything else. 220 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:47.640 They need to take serious steps to get rid of that attitude all together 221 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.240 in their congregation, in their communities. This needs to come to a stop, 222 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.759 and it needs to be taken very very seriously, and they need to 223 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.839 start taking action on that now. And as leaders, it's their job to 224 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.119 not be demonstrating that attitude. They need to be demonstrating the opposite attitude, 225 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:08.400 which is saying this is unacceptable, and these men will be held accountable and 226 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.160 whoever has done it, and in this case it was a man and it 227 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.160 often is, are going to be held accountable for their own actions. And 228 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:19.000 we're not going to be blaming and shaming people for being on the receiving end 229 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.880 of them. And that's how leadership needs to be demonstrating what will take place. 230 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:26.119 Now. Do I think that's what is going to happen? No? 231 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.799 I do not. Yeah, and tayl I am going to leave view the 232 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.119 final safe and see you went ahead and brought it to Stone. Well, 233 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:40.640 everything that they have done has been disgusting. All the people involving defending this 234 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.759 pastor are disgusting. If you go and ask the lawyer now, what does 235 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.839 he have to say on his defense, he says that he doesn't remember when 236 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:55.160 he said that. There is a letter that they've clim Shire this girl received 237 00:18:55.240 --> 00:19:00.119 from the wife of this Morris guy. That is her name, She's and 238 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.920 her letter saying I forgive you for what you are doing. Like she feels 239 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:10.039 that the person that her husband rage is the problem and not that she's raped 240 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.799 to sorry that she's married to a rapist. I think she's disgusting. I 241 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:18.720 think everyone defending this poster is disgusting, and I feel really sick to think 242 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.960 that there will be people trying to defend and justify this monster who decided to 243 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.720 appuse a child using his his position of power. Well, overall, from 244 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:33.400 a humanist secular standpoint, the focus should be on supporting survive, ensuring accountability 245 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:41.279 for the perpetrators, and advocating for institutional reform that prioritize the protection and well 246 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:47.880 being all individuals, especially the most wrong Sindy's courage and coming forward underscores the 247 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.119 importance of transparent and accounty and addressing abuse within realist cont