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We're back with another edition of the
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emilee Tashinski,

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culture editor to hear at The Federalist. As always, you can email the

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my colleague Eddie Scary, DC columnist
at The Federalist. You can also check

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out at these books. He is
prolific. He's written many books. Amazon

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right Adie can get him on Amazon. Amazon is the best place to get

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him out there. You go,
Eddie, Welcome back to Federalist Radio Hour.

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Happy to be here. It's been
a while, it really has.

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Because apparently your parking is running out. That's an issue, Yes, the

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parking issue coming to the office in
DC. Since I no longer i'm technically

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living in DC, it's a little
bit more of a challenge, but that's

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okay. Yeah, So that's the
sad thing. Federal Every episode of Federalist

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Radio Hour until COVID was taped in
studio, like every single one of them.

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Are great friends at the hills Hillsdale
Kirby Center let us use their studio.

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After COVID, everyone just got used
to doing things over zoom. But

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podcasts are much better when they're recorded
in person, way better when they're oh

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sure, yeah, and I actually
I forgot all about the Hillsdale studio because

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I know we did at least one
there. So yeah, so is that

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closed down now? No? No, no, no, it's still there.

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It's just typically what we find with
guests is that they're all used to

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doing it over zoom. So the
book people in person now is really tough

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because everyone just you know, every
author. It's great in a lot of

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ways because you know, we had
David mammontt on the show, for example,

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Like one is David Mammont in DC, probably very rarely, so we

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get to have all kinds of different
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People there in Europe and you know, wherever else, get to do

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the show. That said it is
really great when you get to do it

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in person. He's like, I
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obviously, when you're the host of
something like this, you want them

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in person, but as the guest, I don't like doing them over the

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phone. I mean, I'll do
them, but I way prefer being in

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person. When I used to do
Tucker's show and he was Tucker Carlton Show

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and he was on Fox the Best
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show he did, I forgot about
that. You were on the last show.

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It was you? That was me? Yeah it was but no,

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that was he happened to be in
DC. So we did it in person,

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and that was by far my best, like my best segment that I

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think I ever did, and any
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doing them in person is just you
know, because otherwise you're talking to a

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screen. Yeah, they're talking to
nothing. You're not looking at somebody.

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So it's just it is way better
to do it in person. So I'm

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glad we're here in person and I
can watch you chug a natty light.

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It's like two PM. I like
how I'm trying to take advantage of the

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fact that they can't see us,
and yet you tell them I had to.

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Yeah, dude, it's gonna explain. I think probably your performance two

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pm. I always say it's eight
am somewhere. You're just always in an

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airport. Airport, well, Eddie
has been devouring the daily drama in down

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in Fulton County, Georgia, and
I have to say Eddie. Every time

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I tune in to this trial,
I think that I'm watching like an episode

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of Judge Judy. So it's it's
so Judge Joe Brown. Yeah, Judge

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Joe Brown. He's so Judge Judy. She ended Judge Judy. I think

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she does another show now, but
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I think that he's done too now. He's like, isn't he like some

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kind of like almost like a pseudo
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like he's He's just one of those
people who like every now and then you'll

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come across a video or I saw
him interviewed on some other podcasts that had

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nothing to do with like legal issues
or anything. It was all just about

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like him growing up his views on
politics, like he talks. He's just

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like a general end And actually I
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his show and it was on TV, but otherwise he seems like a pretty

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interesting guy. Well, okay,
so Judge Joe Brown. Aside, there

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is something about this trial that is
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And I get that people can make
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and you know, that's not what
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I think a particularly grating element of
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you know, going to get Trump
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clean up, you know, all
of the corruption that she could, and

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she turned out to just be like
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think is it's not just corrupt,
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was to not be corrupt. Kind
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the kind of the ones that have
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know prosecutors that are going after Trump
in New York, Leticia James, Alvin

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Bragg. Now you have uh,
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these like they are they like kind
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and out stupidity. It's like just
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to make a name for themselves,
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and you know, you would think, well, you've at least got to

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come up with something good, and
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stupid and and like you said it, it kind of cheapens our idea of

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what it means to even you know, go through the what what the judiciary

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is, the justice system, law
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found this to be kind of like
an ironic thing about the Trump era and

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Trump himself, is that it's it's
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could look at it. One way
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up cheaper. But I don't look
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it as the reaction to everything he
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really debases everything and cheapens everything and
reduces us all reduces completely reduces it to

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this absurdity and again kind of like
erodes its dignity. You stopped yourself when

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you said Fanny Willison, corrected it
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going to ask you about this,
because if anyone has gotten to the bottom

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of it, I would expect it
to be you. If I have any

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hope of knowing someone who's gotten to
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you. I'm told over and over
that it's Fanny, right, But so

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many people who cover this are just
saying Fanny, and every time I try

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to say Fani, it sounds ridiculous, It sounds ridiculous. It probably sounds

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ridiculous also because just like it was
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kind of all knew it, and
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it's actually Fani. Kind of like
if your name is like Bianca and it's

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like actually Beyonce or something like that. You know your last name is spelled

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like Bucket, but you say Bouquet. Yes, yes, yes, But

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all the people because right now with
the hearings we're looking at, the hearings

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have to do with whether there's this
giant conflict of interest with uh the prosecutor

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meaning Fannie Wells his office, and
so do they need to completely does her

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and her team need to be completely
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and associates? And it's largely actually, I guess I'd say one hundred percent

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the witnesses that are being called for
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even if it's not super super closer
personal, but friend, there was a

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former friend of hers who was called
to testify. Obviously Wade, what is

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it, Nathan Wade? He knows
her very well. Yes, the close

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personal friend, special prosecutor who was
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she en listened as a prosecutor.
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they were actually boyfriend and girlfriend and
yeah, so and then and then also

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his former partner at his law firm
like something, Terence. They've all been

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referring to her as Fani, So
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hasn't been just this this random random
switch up like de Santis. It's just

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it's not spelled like that. You
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names Danny, d a and I. You don't say Donnie. Just every

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time I try to say Fani,
it's weird. Yeah, yeah, and

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I've never heard I've never heard of
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or Fanni. So it's a weird
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that we got to the bottle that
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so yeah, I was called someone
like in a comment section somewhere they recycled

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the you're racist if you don't say
Kamala Harris correctly line, you're racist if

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you don't say Fannie Willis was what
someone It was a sentiment that I encountered

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in a comment section, probably like
a month ago somewhere around there. That's

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so weird. And you know,
you know what this is a you say

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the comment section. Yeah, some
this liberal dude, much older guy who

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I do not know in real life, but he follows my work and he'll

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message me on social media and whatnot. And you know, there's Leticia James

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in New York. She's the what
she the DA in New York, she's

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the Attorney General, Yeah, the
attorney General. So there's Altisia James and

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Trump is accurately saying her name is
Letitia James. Some people might read that

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and mistakenly pronounce it as Letitia,
but he's saying it the way that she

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says it. And this this liberal
guy he asked me. He said,

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Trump keeps saying her name Letitia,
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But I just I think there's something
off about that, and I and he's

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trying to get it that's racially motivated, kind of like because his nickname for

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her was Leticia Pikaboo James, which
is completely inexplicable and yet still hilarious.

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But it's like, literally everything is
called racist with this dude. If Trump

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is anywhere around it or Republican in
general, it's racist. Even if you're

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doing it right, saying it the
right way, it's racist. The best

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Trump nicknames are the ones that you
cannot understand right because it's so personal to

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him. My favorite, by far, and I don't think this is on

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anybody's list of their favorite Trump nicknames, but by far my favorite is his

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nickname for Chuck Todd Chuck sleepy Eyes. That was one, yeah, Another

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one was we're getting off track here, but sleepy eyes sleepy eyes. That

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was good in like pencil neck cocoa
chow. Another weird, like why did

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he I've read some weird theories about
why he was calling her elane chow cocach

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how and I'm not even gonna repat
him here because they were so weird.

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But anyway, Uh, actually you
said we were getting off track, but

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that's not off track at all,
actually right on track. Yeah. So

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every time I tuned into it,
it just gets more and more ridiculous and

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to the point that you just made
about how Trump's opponents and again like this,

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I remember when it came out.
I know you've read it. Going

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through the case that Fanie Wells put
together against Donald Trump, this like sweeping

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Rico case. Are some of the
charges are with Trump and his associates are

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booking hotel rooms or booking conference rooms
at hotels because it's a rico case,

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so she's everything is in furtherance of
the conspiracy. If you're reading through the

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suit, it's an insane suit and
she's someone who's known for using Rico in

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these kind of like sweeping ways that
you know, if it weren't Donald Trump,

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a lot of people would read this
case and say, what is this?

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What the hell is this? Legal
experts, and it reminds me of

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actually something that happened with the anchor
On case, which is, you know,

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we get towards the end of it, and the Associated Press and some

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other corners of the media they'll write
like one article, but I'm thinking,

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particularly with the Associated Press, they
had this long piece interrogating how the law

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has been prosecuted in New York in
the past, the law that Donald Trump

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is up on for allegedly inflating his
assets and committing fraud. And they found

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that it was quote unprecedented to prosecute
it with victimist crimes, like it's been

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used a couple of times, and
they were in cases where there were actual

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obvious material losses and victims, as
most of the younger onn case where they

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testified. The banks testified they were
happy to have Trump as a customer.

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They didn't feel like victims. They
made money off of him, and the

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money if Trump ends up having to
fork it over, goes right into the

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New York Treasury. It's not like
it's going to victims. But of course

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towards the end of this, as
the decision is coming down that you get

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one or two articles saying that it's
quote unprecedented. It's never in a headline,

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it's never a central criticism that you
hear from the media. It's never

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in the leads of their stories.
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true of this finding way was trial, Like they're covering some of the ridiculous

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parts, like whatever Nathan Wade is
doing kind of I don't know what's your

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take on how it's been covered.
No, that's that's true because it's one

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of those things that you kind of
have to if you really want to,

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you got to. You gotta search
and read multiple articles and get down to

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like, for example, like granular
stuff like the Rico case. What is

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it? I don't even know.
It's like racketeering and something something, it's

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about conspiracy. It's like how it
was created basically to prosecute the mafia,

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right, and that that was what
I read and actually was an NPR article

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to kind of describe and what is
Trump being charged with? And it was

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like the most recent one was like
this rapper in Atlanta, it was it

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was Fannie Willis, You're right,
it was her. She's the one who

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prosecuted this rapper and and and other
associates. But they were involved with like

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like human trafficking, prostitution, gang, you know, gang related stuff.

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But and here we're talking about,
you know, you know, setting up

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an alternate slate of electors and Trump
talking with the was it the phone call

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that he made to kemp So,
the governor of Georgia plus the Secretary of

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State in Georgia. And I don't
know if you even know this, that

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phone call that is kind of like
the most talked about thing in the media

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and is kind of at the heart
of this. This is going back to

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so it's before before and Biden's inaugurated, but it's after the election, and

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Trump is kind of running around to
different states and seeing where he can if

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he can cobble together enough votes or
invalidate enough votes that he think were illegally

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cast whatnot, that he can perhaps, you know, get a different result

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from the election. That phone call
has been talked about, and it's always

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boiled down to like this like ten
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that was like an hour plus phone
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all, like fairly recently. You
listened to the whole call. The whole

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call. I listened to the whole
call, and it's like, you know,

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Trump is it's kind of sad to
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know, in a way that makes
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he's I remember that at the time. Yeah, I remember frustrated to the

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point of tears, being like this
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know, on the other end the
actually I don't know if the governor was

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on it. The Secretary of State
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you know, we know that you've
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we can't do that or that's not
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you've got Trump's side saying, well, actually you can't. We have

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access to these these these ballots and
we need to see that. And then

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you know, Rafsburger he's saying,
no, that's actually a legal we can't

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do that. And he's like,
well, come on, I really this

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is the number that I need that
would you know? I think there's actually

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well more than that, but this
is the number that at least if you

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could get me there, And it's
put it's that's talked about as if he's

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bullying this person, and it really
isn't. I mean, you can you

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can hear it again. You hear
him kind of frustrated the point of tears

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Donald Trump where he's even saying like, I don't even I can't imagine.

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I don't know why I endorse Camp. I don't think I'm gonna endorse him

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again, and I can't imagine getting
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it's it's sour grapes kind of reasonably
so, but you know, you've

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got to look back to all these
things to to really realize just how absurd

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Yeah, that's interesting that going back
to the phone call is a really

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I think that's the right place to
talk about the media coverage here because in

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a way, there are a couple
of times that this has happened with Trump

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in a I shouldn't say there are
a couple of times, but like a

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couple of the high, high high
profile times. The other one this reminds

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me of is Charlottesville, where the
media latches onto a narrative about what was

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said. And unless you like,
as a journalist, someone who is supposed

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to be well informed and reading all
of the articles and listening to the primary

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sources, Unless you do listen to
the primary source, and you do it

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with an open mind, as opposed
to like having this angle already given to

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you and not being willing to depart
from it, or not being aware that

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it might be worth departing from,
you would have no idea what he actually

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said. Because the narrative snowballed so
quickly that it is now anathema. I

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mean it is. It is basically
like and it treated as an act of

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bigotry itself to say the narrative about
what he actually said at Charlottesville is wrong.

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It's the same thing with the phone
call and the phone call about find

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me ex votes, et cetera.
If anything, Eddie, it actually undermines

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Fani Willis's case because it shows that
Trump genuinely believed the vast majority of the

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things he and his deputies were saying. Now, I can't speak to the

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particularities of Rudy Giuliani or anybody else
who's brought into that Rico case. I

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do think there are a couple of
times in the case itself, and we've

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talked about this before, there's like
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like, oh, it does seem
very clear that Donald Trump knew what he

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was saying wasn't true, but we're
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It seemed like he it's sad like
it seeming he genuinely believed what Sidney Powell

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was telling him. Mm hmm,
yeah, I think that. And that's

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kind of to your point is often
these you'll read these articles that you know

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because they're because there were you know, he had a massive legal team the

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present between his between the White House, what he had on his legal team

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in the White House and what he
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That's a massive operation that's basically working
as one, but it's two separate,

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you know, teams for the same
guy. But you know, you

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read these articles that are so and
so testified. You know, one of

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his lawyers testified that they had told
him that this was not going this wasn't

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true, and this wasn't going to
work, and there were not these these

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illegal ballots. That know, that's
completely based on nothing, so he he

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obviously knew. Trump must have obviously
known. He couldn't have. He must

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have been lying. But it's no, because there are other lawyers who are

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on record saying that, actually,
no, they told him something completely different.

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They said one thing, and okay, well Trump, did he listen

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to the wrong lawyers? Was that
was that wrong judgment? Okay, make

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that you can make that, you
can make that call. Yeaheah yeah.

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But and it's, by the way
true, it's true that like he hired

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some were Oh yeah, for sure. And that's the media makes that point

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all the time. Sure, yeah, it's a fair, perfectly fair criticism.

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But to say, well, he
must have known because this lawyer,

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Look, this lawyer told him,
well, no, there was more than

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one lawyer. It looks like at
least a substantial number of them were telling

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him one thing, whether it was
sure or not, whether you want to

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say it was true or not,
and then others were telling him something completely

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different. He chose to believe one
half and then disregard the other. Right,

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and in the case of that phone
call, what he was saying the

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media depicts as a wink wink kind
of mafio. So find me ten thousand

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votes. What he was actually talking
about is in the context of someone saying

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X number. It was like someone
had told him, maybe like Sidney Power,

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someone had told him more than ten
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So he was saying, find me
just ten thousand, like, just use

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your resources to find at least ten
thousand of those. So it was in

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the context of illegal votes, what
he believed to be illegal votes, and

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Molly having in Margot Cleveland had done
some great reporting on the votes that were

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cast in Georgia, and in that
case, he had at that time pretty

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decent reason to believe that there was
a big chunk of illegal ballots that have

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been cast. So it's just the
difference between the truth and the narrative is

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staggering. And Fannie Willis was treated
like a hero going into this, going

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into her filing the RICO case,
and then afterwards until the damn broke and

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all of these allegations started flooding in. She was I don't know any maybe

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you paid closer attention to the media
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I just remember her being cheerleaded,
cheerlead, yeah, yeah, champion.

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She so even you say you remember
her being cheerleader, even literally the day,

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so if the listeners remember she she
actually it was so it was so

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absurd, so Jerry Springer that you
know, it wasn't even clear that she

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was going to be made to testify
in this hearing, which again is to

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determine whether there was this conflict of
interest that would result in disqualifying her in

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her office from even prosecuting this case. It wasn't even clear that she was

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going to have to testify. She
comes barreling into the courtroom in the middle

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of the judge, the defense,
her lawyers discussing whether that's the next step

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they're going to take, and she's
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like marches up to the to the
witness box and she's just gonna go and

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like it was the day. She's
wearing her dress backwards, right, yes,

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which I think is got we got
to the bottom of that. It

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was not backwards, our colleague did. This is funny because I actually went

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deep down that rabbit hole and came
to the conclusion of my own personal research

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that the dress was absolutely backwards.
Really, yeah, we need to follow

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up with l because she she's found
a dress. I think that was on

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Amazon. Yes, but the dress
was actually a different dress. Oh,

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it was based on my own personal
reas my information may be outdated. Yes,

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Okay, so the back, but
when I never got down to or

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got to the bottom, I was
okay. So again we're getting off traffic.

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But it's still kind of a fun
topic. Is how her chest fit

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into that dress if it was on
backwards, which is nothing, I'm not

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caring. It was a pretty stretchy
fabric. Okay, yeah, I think

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it's with a stretchy fabric. I
think it. Okay, she can make

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it work anyway. Okay. So
that's the day where, yeah, she

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goes in and gives this wild testimony
where I was kind of surprised that the

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judge gave her as much rope as
he did because she was she was downright

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disrespectful in a lot of ways.
She kept she was characterizing the questions she

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was receiving as dishonest, their lies. She repeatedly said that the defense attorney

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had lied about her in court filings. You know, they would ask her

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a question, she'd go to answer, and then the attorney would say,

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you know, that's not what I
asked him. She said, well,

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no, because you asked me,
we're going to get We're going to go

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down this route, and you know, it was just kind of it was

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very abrasive and contentious. But the
New York Times, the way they write

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this up at the very bottom of
you know, characters are drama. They

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could they talked about it as it
was this high drama and high stakes,

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when really it was just this Jerry
Springer kind of trashy affair for anybody who

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actually watched it, So even dignify
it to say that it was dramatic or

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you know, with flair, it
really was just trashy and unbecoming, you

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know, for a media who constantly
bemoaned, and I think rightfully so in

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some cases, the like undignified presidential
behavior of you know, tweeting at eight

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thirty am about Mika Brazinski's facelift,
which you probably loved that, you know,

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completely every single time, you know, they would absolutely have an opinion

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about that. Honey Willis and Naven
Wade are exposed for clearly blatantly abusing their

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offices in the trashiest of ways,
and it's just drama and on the most

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easily veracity, and yet you know
what I was getting out with this was

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that Then the New York Times they
write about it, you know, because

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if you're a Democrat and you like
completely show your butt on national television,

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you're going to be described just like, you know, emotional, and that's

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drama versus you know, if it's
if a Republican does it, it's you

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know what, you know what the
erosion of norms and what a tear?

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You know, all that stuff.
But I remember this New York Times article

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writing up her testimony. At the
bottom it was like, you know,

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the contrast between the defense attorneys a
sea of wool suits and white male faces

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with with Fannie Willis and her magenta
what is it shining? I don't think

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they use the word shining. It
was like glimmering or bright and her and

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her pink or her magenta dress,
just like really really cringe. But again,

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it's one of those things that if
you read the write up and maybe

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you don't have time like I do
too, or you're not paid like I

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am just going to say things,
I'm sure you would do it in your

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spare time too, but it's really
not yeah, dream job actually to get

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paid to do something I would be
doing my free time anyway, but yeah,

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just been hours. Maybe you didn't
do like I do and sit hours

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and watch this whole thing. You
would never know from reading the New York

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Times that it wasn't at all the
high drama that they made it seem.

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It was actually trashy. And actually
you've you've found out that Fannie Willis and

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pretty much everybody that has been called
to the stand has been lying and very

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very it's ways that you're just you
look at You're like, come on,

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you expect me to believe that that
she paid thousands and thousands of dollars in

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cash and she carried cash around.
Well, so let me ask you about

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Nathan Wade, Like his testimony was
hilarious, hilarious, and that was what

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he said, right am, I
right, I'm remembering that correct, That

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he claims that she reimbursed him for
all of these trips they went on in

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cash. Right, They both maintained
that, but he was called first.

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Yeah, that you know, the
idea was, yes, we did go

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on these trips together. Because that's
kind of a big part of the defense's

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case that they're making in order to
disqualify Fani Willis. In her office.

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Is that here's the proof that she
hired someone she was in a romantic relationship,

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and it was basically, what is
it called when yourself like kind of

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like when you're paying yourself. There's
a word for that, like, because

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she's giving money to him, but
she's benefiting from it, right, Like,

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that's if there's a word for it. Neither of us is going to

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the word for it, because I
just saw the word literally today. The

407
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,000
problem is when you tell someone to
think of a word, and you put

408
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,599
yourself on the spot to think of
a word, you'll never think of the

409
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,720
word. No, I know.
But anyway, so it's basically she's benefiting

410
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,279
from the money. She's saying she's
paying somebody else, right, But so

411
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,400
and the evidence of that is that
they went on these trips. They went

412
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,160
to like I think it's like a
Ruba and Belize place. Yeah, places

413
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,400
otherwise all over you cruise they want
a cruise, the cruise and you know

414
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,119
the idea. They're saying, well
where's the end? But he's claiming,

415
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:36,279
Nathan Wade is claiming, but she, yes, I paid. There's records

416
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:37,799
that show that I paid on my
credit card for those ships. But she

417
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,640
reimbursed me, and they say,
well, how she reimbursed you in cash?

418
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,319
And they're like, in cash,
So do you have any deposit slips

419
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,519
or anything? And Nope, no, I have nothing. And this is

420
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,839
again, this is thousands of dollars
in cash that she supposedly just keeps in

421
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,319
her house. Yeah. Well,
okay, So a couple of things on

422
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:57,440
that. When I watched Nathan Wade, he said he didn't keep receipts because

423
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,559
he had his credit card statement.
Do you remember that he said? He

424
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,160
said what he was like, I
don't have receipts of any of those because

425
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
I just have my credit card statements. And he was like, that's that's

426
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,359
a receipt But she was like,
I specifically asked you if you had any

427
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,400
record of this. But the other
point on that is, was it Fannie

428
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,240
Willis's dad, Yes, who said
you're racist? I mean, he didn't

429
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,240
come out and say that. The
implication though, was if you don't understand

430
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:30,839
why black people keep a bunch of
cash in their personal homes, that's just

431
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,640
a racial difference, right. The
implication was kind of like, you're being

432
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:40,400
racist for not understanding that it's perfectly
normal for like members of the black community

433
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,799
to just have stacks of cash,
which seems racist in and of itself.

434
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,799
That is the that is that was
one Obviously a strategy from the beginning was

435
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,319
to make this actually racial, starting
with before even the hearings began, with

436
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:56,319
Fannie Willis going to the church and
delivering of some kind of sermon or eulogie

437
00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:02,279
whatever, where she's talking about in
racial term, why she's being scrutinized.

438
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,680
That was very I think that her
whole strategy with coming in they're all angry

439
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,039
was for the purpose of getting people
to call her angry and then she can

440
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,359
say, look, this is racially
motivated. And you know, you had

441
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,279
pretty much all of the all of
the witnesses that have been called to have

442
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:21,960
any stakes in defending Willis or defending
their own reputation, which which would therefore

443
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,839
implicate Willis, have made it rachel
starting with Nathan Wade. He even said,

444
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,640
you know, I don't you know, this is a black woman who

445
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,759
make who's strong and independent, and
she makes sure that she covers like at

446
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,680
least half of everything. Fannie Willis
says, you know, I learned the

447
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680
whole thing from my dad about keeping
at least she said at least six months

448
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,680
worth of cash in her house.
Yea, and she says, you know,

449
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,720
I don't know why this black man
does that, but you know it's

450
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:53,279
race is very much a recurring thing
by the very people who I think need

451
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:59,039
race to be the element they're intentionally
evoking in yes, yes, yeah,

452
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720
sense right, because because it's a
I mean, it's a great media strategy.

453
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,000
It's almost that you can't fault their
attorneys. I mean, they're obviously

454
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,720
attorneys themselves, so they understand this. But it's a high profile case,

455
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,799
so their legal representation people that are
advising them should say, who might understand

456
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:19,440
media? Well, anyone understands this. You don't even have to be a

457
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,599
media expert to understand that. That's
a great way to get the media to

458
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:30,400
call any you know, any embarrassing
behavior to your point on this emotional or

459
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:38,680
dramatic as opposed to ridiculous and embarrassing, because they're afraid of calling a black

460
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:47,880
da anything negative, so you use
these like ridiculous euphemisms that Again, one

461
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,599
thing I would encourage people to do
is actually watch the video, because it

462
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,359
doesn't everyone can identify if you're watching
Nathan Wade and Fannie Willis. It's like

463
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,079
any school child who who I used
this reference the other day, like a

464
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:07,559
school kid who did not turn in
their book report. But hell's the teacher.

465
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,759
I absolutely put my work report on
your desk on Friday, and teacher's

466
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:14,799
like, well, that's weird because
I would have it, Like here's my

467
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,400
desk, it's not on it,
and I did it. I don't know

468
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,000
what happened, Like something must have
happened to it. If it's not there,

469
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,799
that's I don't know, that's weird, Like maybe maybe a rabbit came

470
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,680
in, Like I don't know what
happened, Like maybe you left the window

471
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,559
open and the wind blew it away. Like you instantly recognize it in their

472
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:37,400
physical posture, the expressions on their
faces. They are so digging themselves deeper

473
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,400
into a hole every time, but
they're very confident about it, very confident

474
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,039
about their lives. And even the
guy who I'm not sure so this is

475
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,960
it has turned out to be probably
the most important important witness other than there

476
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:55,319
was There was a former colleague of
Fannie Willis's who she was the one who

477
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,640
I think she may have been the
first witness who said I know that they

478
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,720
were in relationship before he was hired, because that's obviously Fannie Willson's like,

479
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,079
the whole defense is, we were
in this relationship after, so it couldn't

480
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,440
have been a conflict. I didn't
know that we'd end up in a relationship.

481
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,160
But you know, the friend of
the former friend is saying, no,

482
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,000
I knew that for sure. She
told me I saw them kissing and

483
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,720
hugging well before he was ever hired
on to be the special prosecutor in this

484
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:25,839
case. But the latest one who
has become just as important, if not

485
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,240
more important, as something Terence.
I can't remember his first name, but

486
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,039
he was the former business partner of
Nathan Wade, and he has also turned

487
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,720
turned out to be a big time
liar. And when he's not lying,

488
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:46,440
he's saying I don't remember. Including
he'll be presented with text message communications saying

489
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:51,119
this is you right, that's coming. This is a conversation that you had,

490
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,960
and he'll say, yes, that's
me, and they'll say do you

491
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,640
and they'll read from the text,
so you said this, and he'll say,

492
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,119
I don't recall. It's just like
okay, I guess, I guess

493
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,440
you can stay. You don't recall, But we see that we very much

494
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,400
see that. Yes, you said
this, and so obviously what you're trying

495
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,920
to be proved here is that sort
of the extent, the depth, the

496
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:19,519
timeline of their relationship, that Fannie
willis improperly hired and compensated Nathan Wade as

497
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:23,679
a special prosecutor in this case.
And if you can prove that their relationship

498
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,119
was you know, intense and started
at a before he was hired a special

499
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,039
prosecutor, then obviously you have a
better chance of sort of disqualifying her.

500
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,880
Right. That's what is yeah,
basically saying she has this case and is

501
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,320
keeping it going as long as she
can because she's benefiting. It's like getting

502
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,840
double paid because she's obviously paid by
the state. But then she's now she's

503
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,199
retained this lover of hers. I
guess no longer. I guess that's her

504
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,440
ex lover. Oh, so they
broke up, Yes, they claim to

505
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,280
have broken up. Yes, and
therefore that she was she was the kind

506
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,039
of double benefiting from it. I
think I don't want to get ahead of

507
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:02,679
you, but think that it's possible
that that that even though I think that

508
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:09,119
it's pretty much been proven, irrefutably
proven, that what the defense is alleging

509
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:15,440
the prosecutor in her office did they
have cell phone pings, They have all

510
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,079
kinds of like location data specific stuff, placing them repeatedly with each other.

511
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,519
And even though I think that yes, it's irrefutable, the evidence is overwhelming.

512
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,159
I think there's a high likelihood this
judge, who is not crazy,

513
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,000
the judge I think has been pretty
fair and fine. I think that he

514
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:35,599
looks into, yeah, this happened, but it doesn't change the facts of

515
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,440
the actual case at hand against Trump
and his associates, which I mean,

516
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,719
don't get me wrong. I think
that it's a car sham. I think

517
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,440
that this. I think it's it's
crazy that a judge at all has allowed

518
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,199
this to move forward. There's probably
reasons for that, motivations for that that

519
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:55,440
that may be self self preservation type
things. But I think that he just

520
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:59,639
he might very well say, yeah, she did, It's all true,

521
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,199
and yet it doesn't change the facts
of the case. So I'm not going

522
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,280
to disqualify her. I see that
as a strong likelihood, though I wouldn't

523
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,719
put money on it, so you're
not getting ahead of me. Actually,

524
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,880
one thing I wanted to run by
you that I've thought about this for a

525
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960
long time. I think maybe we've
talked about it before, but I've been

526
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,559
thinking about it a lot recently,
and I don't know how this equation works.

527
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,960
I think I'm curious for your thoughts. But one of the big parts

528
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,719
of this story from my perspective,
for one of the big takeaways from this

529
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:37,920
story is that often the media's relationship
with the Democratic Party does not in the

530
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,480
long term, not in the short
term, but in the long term,

531
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000
help the Democratic Party in some very
critical ways. It hurts the Democratic Party

532
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:50,480
and Fannie Wilis is And again this
is just a theory. I haven't come

533
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,960
to a conclusion about where the sort
of net benefit net negative comes out on

534
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,800
this, But in the long term, again, not in the short term,

535
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,519
but in the long term. Fannie
Wilis is a good examp because if

536
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:09,159
the media treated Republicans and Democrats,
conservatives and liberals neutrallly, then Fannie Willis

537
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:15,480
never would have become this like Darling. I don't know that she ever would

538
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,920
have become DA I don't know that
she ever would have pursued the case the

539
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,280
way that she pursued the case,
and I don't know that the public would

540
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,960
have been asked to take it as
seriously as they took it. And so

541
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,800
if to your point, the judge
ultimately says facts of the case aren't changed,

542
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,840
Fannie Willis can stay. I don't
know if that's ultimately great for Democrats,

543
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,079
right, because now they're stuck with
someone who's been by force. I

544
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:45,760
mean, they had to drag the
media kicking and screaming to even cover the

545
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,480
trial, basically, to cover it
seriously and to your point, to say

546
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:55,599
any word that might reflect negatively drama
emotion on Fannie Willis dragged kicking and screaming

547
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,679
to cover that. And now they're
stuck with this woman who's been discredited in

548
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,840
the eyes of the public and in
substantive ways. Right, Yeah, I

549
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,840
think that that's You're that's really that's
a really smart point. You see it

550
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,119
everywhere, you see it, most
prominently right now with the presidential election.

551
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,559
Joe Biden's struck with Joe Biden,
right, And there's all for the purpose,

552
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:22,800
the short term purpose of getting rid
of Donald Trump. And while who's

553
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,760
the Who's a couple that came to
mind from the past, we're also Robert

554
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,440
Muller built up as this absolute shining
knight and armor and then he comes and

555
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480
gives this. You know, we
finally get a good look at him,

556
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,800
and it's whoa bob. Yeah,
yeah, I felt bad for the guy.

557
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,199
But but because you know, I
don't think he asked for the media

558
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,920
attention. But there are some like
Fannie Willis. There are some Latitia James,

559
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,719
who is now, by the way, tweeting the interest that's added to

560
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,440
the damages that every single day.
Have you seen this? I have not

561
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,039
seen that. But these are all
good examples anger On, Letitia James and

562
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:05,280
Tanya Chuckin, all people who have
actually been i think, championed by the

563
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,639
media because they've indicated these staunch anti
Trump positions may actually end up. In

564
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Anchorn's case, he was smiling in
a way that felt clearly very biased and

565
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:22,079
over eager to oversee this case,
and he's donated to Democrats, kind of

566
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:28,159
unusual for his position. He just
was being bizarre. I don't think that

567
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,639
helps their case in the court of
public opinion ultimately, and then sometimes actually

568
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,639
in the real court, because with
Fannie Willis, it can get you into

569
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,199
serious trouble mm hmmm, right,
and then there has to be ultimately some

570
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,639
kind of resolution. I mean,
Democrats can go pretty far with bringing us

571
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:49,800
to the absurd and with the media's
helpful assist but oftentimes it just doesn't work.

572
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,719
And I mean there has to there
has to be a logical conclusion to

573
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,679
a lot of things, and this
is one of those cases. I mean,

574
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:59,199
we're even looking at it with with
basically all of the cases right now,

575
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,280
the big ones against Trump. The
one was, you know, trying

576
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,079
to kick his name off. Is
it Colorado? Colorado? And then now

577
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,400
they just did one it was Illinois
or Indiana, Illinois, Illinois. There's

578
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,119
also been main Yeah, there are
a couple okay, yeah, jeez,

579
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,840
and or you know, to take
the one you you mentioned a minute ago

580
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,440
about the real estate and inflating the
assets. It's like, okay, so

581
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:27,880
you just now want you want half
a billion dollars for for banks making money

582
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,639
off of Donald Trump? Like that? Where is the you know, how

583
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,639
am I supposed to square that?
You know? So, yeah, I

584
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,960
think to your point, you know, when they get these short term successes,

585
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,199
and it's like, yeah, are
not a badass for taking it to

586
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,079
Donald Trump and kicking Donald Trump while
he's down? And yet well it's like,

587
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:45,679
well, did you think this through
because you actually have to see it

588
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,719
through now and once, and you're
gonna run out of gas. At some

589
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,000
point, people are going to start
paying attention. They're going to see that,

590
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:52,880
well, this is not what I
thought it was going to be,

591
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:57,559
and just real quick to take that
back, because ultimately that's probably the biggest

592
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,639
one is the presidential election they got. They got Joe Biden in because of

593
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:06,079
the virus and because of the perceived
chaos. Which it's kind of funny when

594
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,920
people think that Trump was such a
chaotic person. It was the media.

595
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,559
The media was chaotic. It's all
from the media. They didn't cover Joe

596
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:19,159
Biden's like clearly ailing health during twenty
twenty. They never ever, ever,

597
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,639
ever talked about it. They did
the same damn thing with John Fetterman.

598
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,679
They gave one critical interview of John
Fetterman after he had his stroke, and

599
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,320
that was it. And so unless
you happened across that NBC News interview,

600
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,840
which I believe the reporter either retracted
or apologized for, unless you happen to

601
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,400
see that, you would have gotten
basically zero coverage of his And in fact,

602
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:44,360
they covered for him. Reporters who
had interviewed him said, I talked

603
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,440
to John Fetterman and man as he
sharped tracer. I think, yes,

604
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:51,880
yes, it's the same thing.
And then you end up with a situation

605
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,400
where it's like, thank goodness for
Democrats that all of those ballots were cast

606
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,119
before Oh yeah, he debated doctor
Oz because as soon as the debate it

607
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:04,719
happened, everyone was like, what
the hell he can't finish a sentence,

608
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960
which, again, yeah, it
might remind someone of Joe Biden. That's

609
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,920
a great point, Eddie about Biden
himself. Yeah, yeah, and you

610
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,519
know, because there we're now seeing
I mean it's I don't even say this

611
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,719
with like, you know, I'm
not you know, trying to be funny.

612
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,519
I think it's pretty sad. I
often look at him and when he's

613
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,239
doing his interviews or when he's stumbling, I think if that was my dad

614
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,199
or my husband, I would not
let this go on for another second.

615
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:30,960
And you know, but I guess
it's it's a whole different ballgame when you're

616
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,679
talking about politics. But yeah,
so with the media covering for him,

617
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,960
now they've got to deal with him. But now voters are getting the real

618
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,840
look at him that they should have
had all along. Same thing with Kamala

619
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Harris, they didn't you know,
what did they do with COVID. COVID

620
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,480
got worse under Biden, far worse
under Biden than it ever did under Trump.

621
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,639
And that was the person who was
supposed supposed to shut down the virus.

622
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,440
I mean nothing, not a single
thing has gotten better. We're looking

623
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,239
at the border, we're looking at
the economy. But you know, the

624
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,639
media did their their their duty and
the for the church short term, like

625
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:01,960
you said, they got him in
office, they got Trump out of office.

626
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:06,440
But now we're onto the next fire
that they've helped create. Right,

627
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,480
And the thing is, and this
has maybe even I actually think this is

628
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:15,400
absolutely pathetic. It's not intentional,
like they're too dumb to even be intentional

629
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,320
about it. Like, of course
some of the positive coverage of Democrats it's

630
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,000
absolutely intentional. But the ways in
which in the long term they set Democrats

631
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:28,440
up for failure, the media doesn't
even recognize or understand that. Actually this

632
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,000
is full circle, Leddy, because
it goes to the point you were making

633
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,760
earlier about how all of Trump's opponents
reek of It's like they're projecting, you

634
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,960
know, they see Donald Trump and
because they themselves have these impulses that are

635
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,920
often corrupt, greedy cronius. They
project and say, I'm going to cleanse,

636
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,119
you know, the country of Trump
is greedy, asm crony as whatever

637
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:58,320
it is. And they do that
with so much audacity, and they do

638
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,400
it with so much confidence because the
media covers them in a way that incentivizes

639
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:12,360
that, right, and it's it
ends up elevating all of these just total

640
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,599
losers and non credible opponents to Donald
Trump. And it's it's also it's not

641
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,519
just Donald Trump either. The media
does that, you know, with anybody

642
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:30,199
who's anti Republican essentially unless they're what
like Larry Hogan like they so it's not

643
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,840
it's not just a Trump thing,
but it's been intensified under Donald Trump that

644
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:42,559
like for Democrats, they are now
basically saddled with these un serious judges,

645
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:51,079
prosecutors, commentators who are just like
Jim Acosta, and like the media rallied

646
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,719
around Jim Acosta and a few people
have done more to make people vote for

647
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,559
Donald Trump, right, and like
absolutely just to emphasize that point, just

648
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:07,239
absolutely shackle themselves to these people and
will not deny or like they won't acknowledge

649
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,159
the truth that everybody can see in
front of their face, you know,

650
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,760
for it just again, to take
it back to Joe Biden. We've all

651
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,440
seen what Joe Biden is like.
It's no mystery, there's nothing, there's

652
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,239
no excusing it. And yet everybody
will, all his defenders in the media

653
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,400
will It was so funny. I
was reading a Paul Krogman the New York

654
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,639
Times article. He is just as
shit. Just stop your sentence there,

655
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,679
I was reading about Paul Krogmen.
Ya, that's totally disqualifying, but it

656
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,000
was so funny because it's so it
gets again just they drive themselves into the

657
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,599
absurd where he's talking about how sharp
and smart Joe Biden is and I would

658
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:44,719
I would maybe even say, okay, I could probably in private there's you

659
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,360
know, the less intensity of you
know, the cameras and whatnot. But

660
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,920
he even he tops it off with
and by the way, he's really funny.

661
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,239
And I think being funny and having
humor is a total sign of intelligence

662
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:59,719
and sharpness and incredible. And that's
the New York Times. So it means

663
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,960
a lot to the White House,
right, like, forget what the New

664
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:06,079
York Times allegedly symbolizes in media itself, which is the paper of record,

665
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,960
and like that means a lot to
the White House because it's so prestigious.

666
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,639
It's the New York Times. It's
well read among Biden voters. So the

667
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,840
fact that this is coming from Paul
Kraigman gives them less incentive, less incentive

668
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,679
to take seriously the image that Biden
is projecting on the world stage, which

669
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:28,000
is embarrassing. I don't know if
you saw the Italian TV sketch that came

670
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,079
out recently. There it's like Italian
SNL just mocking. Oh, it was

671
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:35,880
so bad. It reminds me of
how everyone was so embarrassed. All of

672
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,519
the people defending Biden now were so
deeply bitterly embarrassed by George W. Bush,

673
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:44,880
right, and they're so embarrassed by
Donald Trump. But like Biden.

674
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,360
The other thing that reminds me of
is latin X, right, So like

675
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Elizabeth Warren, remember she used LATINX
in a debate, and then some polling

676
00:46:53,039 --> 00:47:00,480
showed not only did hispanics not like
the term, like some people are openly

677
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:04,599
offended by it, Like a big
chunk of hispanics were like, that's bullshit.

678
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,639
Please don't use that word for me. And then you started to see

679
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,519
Hispanics vote for Trump and like the
Rio Grande Valley, and he's made these

680
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:19,039
inroads with Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, young Americans, according to recent polling.

681
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:21,719
I don't know how durable it is, but that's what's happened. And

682
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,079
I honestly think some of that is
just because people realize the media the lie

683
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,800
that the media sold, and they're
like, well, they lied about everything

684
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,159
else, so this must be totally
wrong, you know, like it just

685
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,159
it backfires when people figure out the
truth, right. I mean, it

686
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:43,719
really is like we're reliving twenty sixteen
again again. It kind of feels like

687
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,960
these last two elections, and maybe
as I get older, maybe this will

688
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,599
just be the case from now on. But it's like, I'm like,

689
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,840
I'm going to an election cycle,
for example, twenty twenty two that felt

690
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,239
so much like twenty twelve. Then
now twenty twenty or twenty twenty four now

691
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,639
feels so much like sixteen, where
even what is now the biggest issue,

692
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,119
the order that's now the biggest or
that was the same thing in twenty sixteen.

693
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,400
I think at the time, maybe, but I think Donald Trump actually

694
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,719
did a very he was very clever
about marrying the two issues with like the

695
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,599
Muslim extremism terrorism with immigration. He
kind of conflated the two in a way

696
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,079
because it was remember there was the
Muslim shut down, the shutdown the big

697
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,320
travel travel band, plus you know, shut down the border, and we're

698
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,599
talking about that all over again.
But there's looking at that and and I

699
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,800
think it in a big way it
has to do you know, like I

700
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,000
think the backfire boomerang is kind of
when the media is telling you that something's

701
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,280
not a problem. Yeah, don't
worry about that, you know. I

702
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,199
would say another good example of that
is the economy. You read an article

703
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,199
and kind of like you were saying
earlier, to get like to the bottom

704
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,599
or something of the article before you
finally see it's like, you know,

705
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,960
oh, by the GDP is out
off the charts, record breaking, stock

706
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,079
market, low, unemployment at the
bottom. I actually now takes a second

707
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,239
mortgage to go to the grocery store. And that's pinching people a little bit.

708
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,320
And maybe that's where some of the
sourness among voters is coming from.

709
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,519
You know. It's like, oh, okay, so yeah, I'm actually

710
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:13,039
poor and I can't afford food,
and I can I can't buy any of

711
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,800
the things I would like to buy, or yeah, inflation is easing,

712
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,960
but then terms of the bottom of
the article you read read real wages are

713
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,599
still down right yeah. Or the
whole thing with easing in itself is like

714
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,320
so so maddening because when they say
it's what we talk about this whole time

715
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,559
at the Federals, when they say
it's coolering cooling, or it's slowing or

716
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,199
it's being tamed, prices are still
going up. It's just at a slower

717
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,239
rate that I don't know who.
That's who, that's you know who.

718
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,760
That's a satisfactory answer to I mean, if it's still costs me more the

719
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,119
second, you know, my next
time to go to the grocery store,

720
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,920
I'm not necessarily you know, throwing
up you know, fireworks about inflation being

721
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,760
tamed, well, especially particularly if
your wages aren't keeping wage growth doesn't keeping

722
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,360
pace with the inflation, right yeah. And all this is to say,

723
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,239
just to go back, is when
you have the media telling you something isn't

724
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,360
a problem, telling you you know
what you're actually doing, okay, don't

725
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,519
you know that you're doing okay?
You just don't feel it. But you're

726
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,480
if you thought about it, you're
actually okay. I think that that has

727
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,960
an adverse effect, where voters are
saying, this is not okay, and

728
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,360
I don't even care that it's Donald
Trump. There was that funny New York

729
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,239
Times focus group they did where it
was like, eleven out of thirteen swing

730
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,199
voters, it was like there were
people who voted for Trump, then voted

731
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,320
for Biden, and then it's like, now where are they going to vote?

732
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,440
So eleven I think out of the
thirteen said they were going to vote

733
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,440
for Trump again, including a man
who was like, everything they say about

734
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,199
him, every charge that he's facing
right now, I believe is true.

735
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,679
I believe he committed sexual abuse.
I'm still going to vote for him.

736
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Yes, yes, yes, yes, And they've still not figured out how

737
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,000
to deal with that voter who is
so upset about In some cases it's people

738
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,400
that just like, actually are very
excited about Donald Trump. But the swing

739
00:50:53,519 --> 00:51:00,239
voters, there's so many people like
that who are in battleground states who it's

740
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,880
the binary. It's if you force
them to choose between Donald Trump and a

741
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,920
career politician in the Republican primary.
So I know roni stance has served,

742
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,840
but he's basically been a political animal
a lot of his career Nikki Haley obvious

743
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,119
example. And then even in a
general election, if you're asking people to

744
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:22,840
choose between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, or Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton,

745
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,239
a lot of people are going to
vote for Donald Trump. And they might

746
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,239
not be happy about a lot of
what Trump does, They're still going to

747
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:37,679
vote for them. And that's what's
not being addressed by throwing Fannie Willis,

748
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,679
Tanya Chuckkin, Arthur Engern at Trump, Letitia James at Trump. Even though

749
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,639
the media sort of idolizes these people
or champions these people, what they end

750
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:52,199
up doing is it's like the crutch
and the leg never actually heals because they

751
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,159
keep giving themselves these like pr crutches
with the leg, which is actually the

752
00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:00,360
political muscle that allows them, in
the tortured metaphor, to defeat Donald Trump

753
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:06,280
on the merits with people at the
ballot. The lawfair is not convincing to

754
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,519
people at all. What's convincing is
substance in policy and having a better alternative.

755
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:15,440
So it's not all substance of policy. But you can't have Joe Biden

756
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,800
be your alternative. You can't have
Crooked Hillary be your alternative because people are

757
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,360
going to vote for Donald Trump and
is going to be a really close election.

758
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
The lawfair is not going to move
the needle. In fact, it

759
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,599
might actually bring people over to Trump. And immigration is one of the biggest

760
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,679
places we see this happen because with
immigration, people right now, like as

761
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:39,239
we are talking, are looking around
them and realizing what the hell happened over

762
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,760
the last couple of years, right, And that makes some question everything right

763
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,440
and reading of like you know,
it was the line back when Trump was

764
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,400
first running was there is not a
single rapist or criminal who comes across that

765
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,960
border. You open any newspaper right
now, you will read about plenty of

766
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,320
rapists and criminals who it turns out
they're illegal, especially in the big cities.

767
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,480
And I used to get It's different
now because they changed it after Trump

768
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,079
left office, But I used to
get I used to get regular press releases

769
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,559
from the Customs and Border Protection Agency
and it was there would be at least

770
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,119
five and it came through probably twice
a week or so. But they would

771
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,920
list like the most dangerous criminals that
they found, and oftentimes they had some

772
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,320
of them were small crimes, like
they had marijuana on them or something like

773
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,320
that. But there were so often
people who had been twice deported before they

774
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:37,280
had a warrant because you know,
they had they were charged with sexual abuse

775
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,840
of a minor. Oftentimes it was
a family member, like the guy who

776
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,519
killed the girl recently in Georgia,
right, he had a sexual abuse charge

777
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:46,880
right in New York. No,
sure, yeah, I just wear that's

778
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,320
like that. That's so so common. When you when you these illegals who

779
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,000
are found doing some you know,
taken into custody doing some crime, you

780
00:53:55,039 --> 00:54:00,199
look at their background, their gang
members oftentimes from El Salvador, so they

781
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:01,880
have you know, and they often
have the tattoos that identify them as such

782
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,400
anyway, or they've committed some kind
of sexual you know, impropriety. This

783
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,599
that is just so commonplace, and
yet Democrats just swear that any acknowledgment of

784
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,760
that is racist. You're a big
at, You're a xenophobe. And so

785
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,039
people are just looking around and saying, why are you lying to me?

786
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,840
And why are you and and and
if you can't, if you can't reverse

787
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,599
course, or you refuse to absolutely
do anything different with your policy. Instead,

788
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,440
what you're going to do is eliminate
the alternative. You're gonna put him

789
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,039
in prison or take him off the
ballots, or I don't even have that

790
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:38,039
option. Like this is complete bs, Like how like you so you're literally

791
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,960
just trying to take away any choice
I have, any say I have.

792
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:45,360
It's not even a vote. What
does your vote mean if like you don't

793
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,320
have an alternative, that's not a
vote, that's you're just that's a that's

794
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,760
a complete show. Like that's a
that's a fixed election. We don't it's

795
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,880
ragged. It's fixed just by any
any any definition of the word. So

796
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,079
yeah, people are people are looking
at that. It's just become an I

797
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,400
I don't like to do a lot
of people on the right, I always

798
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,000
think it's wishful thinking, are like, oh, people are starting to wake

799
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,519
up. And I don't know if
that's true in any long term, since

800
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,159
I think that at least in the
short term, people are like, my

801
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,199
life is not and not only is
it not better under Joe Biden, it

802
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,280
is measurably worse, it is measurably
worse. I can say that I am

803
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,159
one of those people who I am
not rich and I look at you know,

804
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,800
my own standard of living. I
fortunately left DC, which has just

805
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,480
become a complete dump. I don't
know if that's true for every other major

806
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,679
city, but DC a complete Sorry, sorry to my two colleagues who are

807
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:36,400
in the room who live in DC. Still it's getting better, although immigration

808
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,480
has definitely changed it. Things definitely
change it. Yeah, I definitely think

809
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,760
it's getting better, especially where we
are right now. What do you mean

810
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,840
this exact spot, Capitol Hill.
In general, I think's gotten better.

811
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,519
Oh maybe, I don't know.
Yeah, but the immigration has actually really

812
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:52,400
changed DC in some very visible,
obvious ways. If you live here,

813
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,280
and there are a lot of people
I think would and maybe will make great

814
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Americans. But the way that we
did this is horrible, dangerous. It

815
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:06,639
is so freaking dangerous. I just
want to get to that real quick.

816
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:13,119
Because you said many or most or
whatever will make create Americans. I absolutely

817
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,960
am so sick of hearing that from
from Cox like you no, like you

818
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,239
know, because and I wrote a
piece about this other federals, because Mark

819
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:27,159
thes and the Washington Post neo con
he wrote a whole piece about how you

820
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,960
know, immigrants from Latin American can
be just as American as you and I

821
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:35,199
and I mean I'm not ruling out
that as a you know, a theory

822
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,639
or a possibility. There are I
don't I'm not even gonna quantify it there.

823
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,159
I mean, there's at least one
immigrant who was in the recent past

824
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:46,239
who has come here and become a
great American and naturalized citizen. But that's

825
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:52,199
isn't that like you background, Oh
I'm half Mexican, Yes, but my

826
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,760
mother came here was one brought as
a child, and that was during the

827
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,320
ring and when it was like there
also wasn't the massive Yeah, it's not

828
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:05,239
the program, So it wasn't massive
human trafficking. Every single person you've literally

829
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,159
just walked across the border. Nobody
gave a dam back then because he then

830
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,199
just went back home to Mexico or
whatever. But anyway, no, I

831
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,039
was just going to say that the
vast, vast majority of what we see

832
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,039
coming over the border right now,
these are not people that are like I

833
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,840
want to come and learn the American
traditions and history and and adopt the rule

834
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,559
of law and all their customs and
learn their language. This is seeing You

835
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,320
asked them. You ask them,
and they say, I'm here to make

836
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,639
money. I want a better life. Are there so much crime home?

837
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,719
Back home? They're switching neighborhoods.
They're not real asylum cases. It's an

838
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:44,199
apartment upgrade. I think that our
boss Sean Davis said that he referred to

839
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,360
America for them as as the vast
majority of them, as an economic opportunity

840
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,760
zone rather than the nation with borders
and in its own culture. That I

841
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,239
really it's not so much a belief. It's what my eyes show me and

842
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,880
what my all lived experience of these
people that are coming, which isn't to

843
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,880
say I'm not saying the vast majority
of are bad people even I'm just saying

844
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,559
it is not their priority and their
driving motivation to come here because they want

845
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:09,599
to learn to be in America.
No, it's not. No. I

846
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,800
think you're absolutely right about that.
I definitely think I agree with you,

847
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,000
I think, and part of that
is the fault of American culture right now,

848
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:22,360
which was which does not incentivize assimilation. In fact, it disincentivizes assimilation.

849
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:30,599
What it incentivizes is this total heterogeneity, like nobody is mixing into one.

850
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Is what do people people who don't
like calling America melting pot like calling

851
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,360
it a mosaic Okay. You know, it's sort of like you maintain you

852
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,679
know, ethnic national traditions. You
know, for example, excellent Mexican food,

853
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:51,760
but also you speak English and are
an upstanding member of your community hopefully

854
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,599
and go to a church that speaks
English, etc. But now we do

855
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,480
like we don't incentivize that at all. So yeah, I think probably most

856
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:02,840
people who are coming here don't have
the intention of assimilating into American culture in

857
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,239
a way that will benefit American culture
overall. I do think there are what

858
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:13,599
makes me sad having when I went
with their college John Daniel Davidson, New

859
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:20,119
Mexico talking to some people who clearly
have legitimate asylum cases, like actually fleeing

860
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,280
imminent gang violence, children who have
been kidnapped. I mean, some of

861
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:30,679
these it's like they're desperate because they
love America. That is not Yeah,

862
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,320
that's not everyone, There's no question
about it. And even for some people

863
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,199
who may think of America. We
talked to a bunch of Haitians when we

864
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:38,199
were down there who were like,
yes, the American dream, that's what

865
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:43,119
we want. They'd fled from perfectly
decent lives in places like Argentina. You

866
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,119
know, there aren't American lives though, and what they want is to your

867
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:52,599
point and upgrade. But you get
here and we have these little pockets of

868
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:55,519
places where they're you don't have to
assimilate. You live with your family,

869
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:59,480
you live with a cousin, you
live with your husband who came here first,

870
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:04,719
whatever it is. And there's totally
calcified communities that don't blend into the

871
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,719
rest of a city or a community
share their cultures so with the rest of

872
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,599
the city in community, they could
keep to themselves. Yeah, and the

873
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:15,559
burden is placed on the burdens should
be ideally and and you know, and

874
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:19,920
I think even legally speaking though,
we just don't. We just completely disregard

875
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,079
it should be on the person who
comes here to make their way, to

876
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:28,159
find your way, and you learn
the language, navigate. But the way

877
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,920
that our own systems and our culture
frames that reframes it is no, the

878
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,639
burden is actually on us. We're
supposed to accommodate and make it to where

879
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,960
you know, if I need to
learn your language and translate things into your

880
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:45,079
language and get a what do they
call the like the person who translates the

881
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,119
translator. If we need to get
a translator for you for your kids at

882
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:51,440
school. Oh you don't have you
can't afford housing, We'll get you a

883
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,239
housing voucher on the taxpayer. Yeah, yeah, all taxpayer. And you

884
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,840
know it's that's people that move into
your neighborhoods and they're not you know,

885
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,199
that's not they're completely from a completely
different culture and country, and you're just

886
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:08,360
supposed to You're just supposed to not
only eat it, but actually immerse yourself

887
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:13,159
in it, accommodate it. Yeah, that's not the way things are supposed

888
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,679
to be. But I was just
saying when people are like, oh,

889
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,400
they're just coming to be American,
just as American as you know. And

890
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:21,079
I know that's not what you quite
what you were saying, but I just

891
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:22,440
really hate when people say that,
No, it's fair. I wasn't using

892
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,199
it as a justification so much so
I was saying, it's possible, but

893
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,320
like the way that we did that, it's horrible, and it's it's dangerous

894
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,719
for everyone, dangerous for American people, dangerous for the migrants. It's complete,

895
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:37,840
completely corrupt and dangerous. And just
like as we close, we somehow

896
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,880
got down the immigration rabbit to make
the point that you were just making.

897
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,920
I talked to somebody who lives in
the middle of the country this week,

898
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:45,960
or I heard from somebody who lives
in the middle of the country this week

899
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:52,039
who was at a park recently,
and there was a group of sort of

900
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:57,159
non English speaking people there with their
children. And this is just a great

901
01:01:57,199 --> 01:02:01,679
example of something small that you wouldn't
even think of, but there one kid

902
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:06,960
from the non English speaking group got
in like a fight, or I think

903
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:08,400
I think some kid, you know, did what kids do, like pulled

904
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:14,840
their pants down something like that.
Young kids, and the mom went to

905
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,679
talk to the parents of the non
English speaking child without realizing that they didn't

906
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,760
speak English, and they didn't speak
English, and this was like, I

907
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:28,760
added a huge stress because now you
need to communicate what just happened, and

908
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:35,000
you can't and you can't say and
imagine like getting into you know, fender

909
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,239
benders and all. It's actually becoming
Tower Babbel esque. And when people realize

910
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:45,480
it's so many of us are going
to have small things like this happening that

911
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:51,039
you know, are our stress about
your children whatever. And I'm not going

912
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:52,239
into all the details of that story, so they don't want to, you

913
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,679
know, blow up anyone's spot.
But it just when people look around and

914
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:01,159
realize just how many people have come
here in the last couple of years,

915
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:06,079
it's going to be a very powerful
thing. And Ed, I'll just end

916
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:09,719
by asking or tossing this to your
way again, both of us, I

917
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:15,920
think are very clear that in the
short term, especially the media mostly you

918
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,800
know, ninety nine percent of the
time, because it's favorable to the left

919
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,199
over the right is helping the left, and downstream of that, the Democratic

920
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:29,239
Party. They've mainstreamed a lot of
stuff, Latin X being one example,

921
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,159
transgenderism being another example. They've really
convinced a swath of the public, not

922
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:37,000
everybody, but there are there's a
big chunk of the public who has now

923
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,400
gone over to these far left cultural
positions, who you know, has voted

924
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,360
for Biden and voted for this immigration
wave. Maybe a lot of people regret

925
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,639
it. But anyway, in the
short term, I think, you know,

926
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:52,360
the majority of the time, the
media is mostly helping Democrats. But

927
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:59,400
I just I think it's a fair
theory to float that this could in the

928
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,599
long term really really backfire in the
same way that you know, when we

929
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:05,320
were growing up, people would get
a copy of a copy of a people's

930
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,800
History of the United States, or
like the Howards and book, or they'd

931
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,880
pick up numb Chomsky and they look
around and they would realize there actually are

932
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:17,320
some kind of secret facts about,
you know, the Cold War or Christopher

933
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,599
Columbus or whatever that we're not allowed
to talk about at the time, and

934
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:28,199
that made people jump to the conclusion
that everything they learned was wrong as opposed

935
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:30,960
to Okay, well this is more
nuanced to the story, but I think

936
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,639
it's still fair to celebrate Christopher Columbus. They're just like, oh, Columbus

937
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:39,559
genocide boom. I think the media
might be putting the left in that position

938
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:43,880
in the long term. I think
so how long term, I don't know.

939
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,440
I do think that as far as
the next election comes out. Again,

940
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:51,679
it's like it's America. Anything can
happen. These events are you never

941
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:56,840
know what's going to happen ahead of
an election. But yeah, as I

942
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,239
see things now, it's kind of
the same. You're looking at it and

943
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:04,760
you're just saying, you're you're telling
people something that is not true. It's

944
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:11,039
easily verifiable. It comes out eventually
anyway. Uh, These people that you're

945
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,559
trying to hold up as these paragons
of like virtue, whether it's a funny

946
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,199
willis. I would even go so
far as to say, I'm sure this

947
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:25,480
won't appeal to some of our readers, but even what's his name, volodimirs

948
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,159
is Alenski, like my, my, oh, he's a great example.

949
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,400
My long running belief is that if
we let him, if we showed him

950
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:40,239
more on TV talking, the less
popular he would get among Americans, because

951
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,400
just even just his accent and his
voice, I think, just kind of

952
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,800
he reminds me of that little the
Rocky and Bullwinkle guy who wore the hat

953
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,199
and the villa. You know what
I'm talking about. Oh gosh, sorry,

954
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:55,400
No, I just didn't watch rock
Rolling, but he did. I

955
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,880
did. I got my car towed
a year ago and I had to go

956
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,360
to like some like in hood.
I had to go pick up my car,

957
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:08,960
and the guy who demanded cash and
didn't have an ATM, he really

958
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,719
reminded me so much of Zelenski.
Yeah, he looked like Zelenski. He

959
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,960
was acting like Celesky, Come on, man, and it just kind of

960
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,000
gives off a little bit of scammy
vibes. I'm sorry, and just I

961
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:23,119
think that again, the more you
actually allow the exposure. And that's what's

962
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,199
funny about the media. And I'm
not I know, we're wrapping up,

963
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,360
but that's what's funny about the media
is that they know now that there to

964
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,119
keep things. I guess this has
always been true, but it is just

965
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,679
so true now that like to keep
things the way they want them, they

966
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:43,679
have to really limit who gets exposure
and elevate who they want to have more

967
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:45,480
exposures. So, for example,
you do not see outside of Fox News,

968
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,400
you do not see Donald Trump on
live television because they know that if

969
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,519
he's on live And then the last
time we saw him on outside of Fox

970
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:55,480
was the CNN town hall, and
boy oh boy, the Democrats hate that.

971
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:58,599
They got so upset with CNM for
doing a live thing because what because

972
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:00,800
he's popular, he is compelling.
When when people get an unfiltered look at

973
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,760
him, you get an unfiltered look
at someone like, let's Usha James or

974
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,559
Fannie Willis or Vladimir Zelinski not so
much. Yeah, it's actually that's a

975
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:13,400
great way to put it's Democrat's primary
source problem. And when you have the

976
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:15,920
ascended kind of new media, you
know they're trying to crash the censorship or

977
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:23,880
whatever else. Increasingly finding Rach telling
new stories. Yeah, they they could

978
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:30,239
be in for some trouble. Eddie. This like somehow transformed from mocking Fannie

979
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:34,000
Willis into like a fascinating conversation,
wild variety show of the Federalist Hour.

980
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:38,639
I think it was your natty light. I'll to do to next time.

981
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:41,639
Well, no, you'll probably come
in here with a bud light. But

982
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,760
God, don't get me canceled on
the Federalist. You've been listening to another

983
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,960
edition of The Federalist or Radio Hour, and Emily since the culture editor here

984
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,440
at the Federalist joint today by Might
Collegue. Eddie Scary, DC columnist at

985
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,280
The Federalist, also an author.
You can get his books over at Amazon.

986
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:59,639
We will be back soon with more. Until then, be lovers of

987
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:00,360
freedom and anxious for the Fray