1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,879 I think the boomers would admit, but they have sort of a strangle hold 2 00:00:02,919 --> 00:00:07,360 on our culture. You know, like here we go, stick a corner 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,960 in his back, Ladies, here we go. Okay, go let it, 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,080 let him go. I'm good with it. Shake it is it still 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,000 on? Tell me it's not? Still on the beast? Still happen? 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:23,199 It's not. They don't cancel shitty shows these days. They like firing congress 7 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:32,759 people. Of the Chicks on the Right podcast, we are thrilled today to 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,399 be joined by all the fellas from the Ruthless Podcast. We were guests of 9 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:41,840 theirs several weeks ago and had just the best time and wanted to absolutely return 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,759 the favor. So we're glad to have the fellas with us. And I 11 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:48,439 thought a way to kick off our conversation today because I know we're going to 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,600 talk about a lot of things. But for those people in our audience who 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,759 may not know or be new to you, fellas, could you talk a 14 00:00:56,759 --> 00:01:00,759 little bit about how you all began and why you refer to your show as 15 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:07,400 the program? Well, how dare or anyone not be familiar? How dare 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,640 they? Uh? Listen? Thanks for the hospitality. We really loved having 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,799 you guys on when you were on our show. I think we had a 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,200 good time and good enough where we didn't offend you where you wouldn't return the 19 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:23,159 favor. So here we are listen the programs. It's probably a downstream effect 20 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:30,719 of all of our sort of idiosyncrasies, oddities and otherwise weirdness that we just 21 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,040 can't call it a program. Part of it is our affectations. We gotta 22 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,799 we're over indexed on midwesterners here on the program. Love it and truth be 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,840 told, I'm not even sure how it is that it started, but I 24 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:45,400 know we did a lot of variety. Yeah, I thought it. I 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:52,319 thought program came from trying to mimic like the southern genteel senator sound of the 26 00:01:52,599 --> 00:02:00,920 you know the program program, Yes, you know that's what That's what I 27 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,239 mean. I don't know. Some of it's just apocryphal. I don't know 28 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,640 how we come up with these things, but we stick with them, and 29 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:09,039 the lore of the program is rather deep at this point. We need like 30 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,599 a decoder ring to get all the jokes. I mean, people appreciate it, 31 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:16,080 some people don't, but we should put together like a glossary. Yeah 32 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:23,479 no, right, weary, Yeah, we're good. So you guys get 33 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:27,280 it. Here's fourteen years, fourteen years of like inside jokes that we have 34 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,520 to like it, and then everybody is in on the inside jokes. So 35 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,479 yes, we totally get that. The program, the whole show. I 36 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:38,360 feel like the whole show is basically just you know, our lunchtime conversation. 37 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:42,599 And we kind of got this whole thing started during COVID. You know, 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,560 we would do like a regular sort of you know, five pm zoom from 39 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:54,400 our homes and after a while sitting around and joking and having a few pops, 40 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:58,039 we were like, you know, this might actually make for a good 41 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,360 podcast, And so you know, here we are three years later. It's 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,080 a lunchtime conversation if your lunchtime includes like three tiptoppers of bourbon, Yeah that's 43 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:09,120 that's And also, to be fair, it wasn't just really hanging out on 44 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,400 zoom. It was betting on horses while drinking bourbon. Yeah, completely fair. 45 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:16,759 Yeah, Well, transparency is a hallmark of the variety, right, 46 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:20,639 So I mean we had a great time, We had a great conversation, 47 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,840 and like like Duncan said, we said, why don't we actually just hit 48 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,599 record and see how this goes, and of course it started off as a 49 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:35,800 mess for a few episodes. We've regretted it ever since. I love it. 50 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,439 It's so funny. We're so we're kind of kindred in that sense because 51 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,159 that's in essence, that's kind of how we started. It wasn't a podcast, 52 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,879 but that's kind of how we started our website is we just went to 53 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,439 lunch and talked every day. So it's it's really interesting how it's very similar 54 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:53,879 to how we started. Only yours obviously was different through COVID. It was 55 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,520 just a couple of years ago and it was, you know, over lunch, 56 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,240 just you know, having having drinks, hanging out talking about politics, 57 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,719 and it's kind of it's very similar, don't you. Oh yeah, hey, 58 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,240 do you see the spot right here? No? I don't see anything. 59 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,240 And you know why you can't see it because gen you sell dark Spot 60 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,319 corrector that's why did you use this this three minute luxury system of dark Spot 61 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,959 removal? You know what? I didn't, but I will, Yeah, 62 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,439 I totally will. Well, they've refined it, I know, how can 63 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:27,959 they refine perfection? This is the question, right because you used the product 64 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:30,639 that is dark Spot. Their GENU sell dark Spot Corrector. Well, now, 65 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:33,360 yeah, you used it on its own and your spot is gone. 66 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,399 Well, now they've like they've enhanced the whole system into a three minute, 67 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:43,920 three product system which will make it go away even faster. So next time 68 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:47,279 you get one of those spots, now you have like the most amazing three 69 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:53,199 step luxury system process. You use the crystalls, which is the microdrum robration, 70 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,480 which is the yummy spelling stuff, right, so that exfoliates, Then 71 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,639 you put on the dark Spot Corrector, and then you follow that up with 72 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,439 the XV cream and then it's basically a magic wand it's a magic It's like 73 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:10,519 poof and then it's gone. It's amazing. It's poof and ping. It's 74 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,360 poof and ping, you guys, it really is. And so this is 75 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:15,720 part All three of those products, by the way, are in the most 76 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,399 popular package right now, which is is seventy percent off while their supplies last 77 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:26,160 only at genu sell dot com slash chicks. That's g E n u cel 78 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:30,639 dot com slash Chicks. I'm assuming you guys were talking on your zoom calls 79 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:36,279 during COVID because you are friends aside from podcasters and wanted a way to stay 80 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,879 connected. Yeah, totally. So, I mean we sort of worked in 81 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:45,600 and around each other. Swag and I met hilariously over the internet, as 82 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:49,560 one does in these in this day and age. Yeah, so we basically 83 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,120 would would occasionally talk. We were like minded on Twitter, as conservatives are, 84 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,639 and I would host these off the record happy hours when I would come 85 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:02,399 through d see and I invite homes to one of these, and you know, 86 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,279 instantly we hit it off. He was just as funny, uh in 87 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,120 person. You never know when he meets someone from the internet, if it's 88 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,399 like, oh, they were actually dangerous psychopath which I'm sure you had the 89 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,879 same was like, dude, this guy, he's a dangerous psychopaths And unfortunately 90 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,040 for both of us, neither were. No I was gonna say all of 91 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:28,600 our fears were confirmed. But and the rest of us have worked John and 92 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,959 Duncan we worked together for fifteen years, so you know, we all kind 93 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:38,759 of like do the same, and that's you know, offshoot of ruthless when 94 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:43,480 talking politics, like we don't in our sort of social life just sit around 95 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,519 and be like, well, let's let's talk about the ends and the outs 96 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:48,959 of the Republican Party, and let's get that, like, that's not really 97 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:53,279 us, but our jobs put us in the center of that, and so 98 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,600 we have opinions on those things. And then I think Ruthos is sort of 99 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,519 an outgrowth of that of politics being the cornerstone of what it is we're talking 100 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,040 about. But then, like you guys, it extends far beyond that into 101 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:09,120 culture and into sports and just animal fighting, animal fighting, which is now 102 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,800 what we're known for is animal fighting. And see we're known for screaming huskies, 103 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:19,040 so it's all the sas there totally, the screaming huskies exact exactly, 104 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:25,800 and dunking on the Kardashians. We have to dunk all the time. Nobody's 105 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:30,120 done better with less than the Kardashians. Absolutely, they are going to be 106 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,480 the cause for the demise of Western civilization. They're trying the ark that that 107 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,199 and the show The Bachelor. The Bachelor, I felt like that in and 108 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,639 of itself was a symptomatic of Rome falling. Like that was tell me it's 109 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,920 not still on the ball. It's not. They don't cancel shitty shows these 110 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:56,639 days. They don't. They're like firing congress people. It's like firing Congress 111 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,240 people. Bachelor still has like a cockroach. It's still on, is going 112 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,839 to live. They're doing a geriatric version now, Oh yeah, I just 113 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,639 read that they've got like some I don't know, like widow, like some 114 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,040 sixty seventy year old widow that's going to be the next bachelor becomes president of 115 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:20,240 the United States. I've seen it. He has to be at least eighty 116 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:24,680 two. There is a meda. So you guys are I mean, since 117 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:31,000 you're so entrenched in DC, I'm assuming that sometimes you get accusations of being 118 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,000 in a bubble and that you don't understand the real people out here in the 119 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:39,279 real world. So what is it? I mean, what are you hearing 120 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,360 in the bubble? I guess, or you know, to the extent that 121 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,360 you're outside of it at all. What are you hearing about this upcoming election 122 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,720 and where people's heads arming? We look at the polls and it looks like 123 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,080 Trump's running away with this. But is that the sense where you are is 124 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,600 that do you feel like that's a done deal? Oh? Look, I'll 125 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:58,480 kick it off. I know everybody's got their individual thoughts on all of this. 126 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,279 I my sense is that all elections in politics in general these days are 127 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,799 pretty dynamic. Now, if you're looking at the polls, and you're looking 128 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,000 at the polls for a period of time, you would say they look pretty 129 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,799 static. To me, it looks like Donald Trump has got a massive lead. 130 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,240 And it doesn't matter if you're you know, are indicted, or what 131 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:18,279 the news cycle looks like like, it only expands. I think the state 132 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,320 based stuff gets a little different. And if you look at Iowa, New 133 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,200 Hampshire or some of the spending that's going on and some of the names that 134 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,080 are sort of rising and falling, the discrepancy between the top of the ticket 135 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,600 and the rest of the ticket is not quite as much as it is in 136 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,080 a national poll. I think that's something to watch as you get into, 137 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,840 particularly this debate, which is kind of the first time you get everybody on 138 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:41,960 the stage at the same time making their case. I mean, unless you're 139 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,679 a political junkie, you haven't listened to like Rona Santis's pitch or Nicky Hayley's 140 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,639 pitch or Mike Benson. You just haven't done it. You know that Donald 141 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,039 Trump's in the front page your newspaper every day, and you may believe that 142 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,000 what's been done to him is egregiously wrong, and you may have some sort 143 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,360 of adhes to the top of the ticket as a result of that, but 144 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:05,799 I don't think we're into the argument yet, and that's you know, look 145 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,720 to take from your question. At the outset, we take a lot of 146 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:13,679 pride in having pretty strong roots and where we came from, right, None 147 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,320 of us were actually a part of politics, sort of the furthest thing from 148 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,519 silver Spooners, didn't have a mom or dad that got us an internship here 149 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:26,720 and had to try to work our way up, and as a consequence, 150 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,080 we had a little different perspective than an awful lot of people who were in 151 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,080 Washington from day one and got the internship and sort of worked through the bubble 152 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,399 of Washington, DC. And we stay connected to our hometowns, and so 153 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,559 I think it's a different perspective that we have than maybe a lot of people 154 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:46,159 here. I think what Holmes just said is extremely critical. I think that 155 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,759 is one thing that all of us have in common is none of us were 156 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:54,519 silver Spooners. Were all products of self made hard work that went into getting 157 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,399 us here, and I think that is what provides a lot of perspective, 158 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,240 especially today's Republican Party and the more popular. This conservative movement that's currently in 159 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,240 vogue is you know, you've had a shift where it's more like the left 160 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:13,080 is this you know, generational elite party where they're not even willing to let 161 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:16,480 the botommy pass. Biden's been in power now for how many years for anyone 162 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,879 here was born. However, we can like the perspective that we bring is 163 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,159 informed from that. You know, when we go out and did a show 164 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,639 in Homes, his hometown, and you see where he came from and you 165 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,279 see his friends from back then, you know he's a Minneapolis guy. Shockingly, 166 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,440 he's not a DC guy. He may dress like what he definitely dresses 167 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:37,919 the most. I think he's the most put together of all of us, 168 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,960 you know, Like I have a reputation. I understand, and I don't 169 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,799 like looking like I'm not put together. I'm not. I appreciate it. 170 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:48,480 You're not. You're not an internet guy like me, Like I'm lucky to 171 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:50,759 just be wearing pants. I was just going to say, the fact that 172 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:54,320 you're hot at sweatpants today is the Yeah, Sel you have a lot of 173 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,600 respect for the chicks on the road. I do. I do. I 174 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:00,080 mean, like I think when we so you guys don't want to see I 175 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:05,279 PJ. Bottoms. Is that it's like business. We're business from like here, 176 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,240 we're like a mullet. Basically, the way that we kind of show 177 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:16,240 is this. It's not Chicks of the Night, not that at all. 178 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,799 That's a whole different program. Honestly, it's more of a pay to play 179 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:26,279 operation. Right when we when we started this show, I think we all 180 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:30,360 had in mind our buddies back home, you know. And I love the 181 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,200 people in DC like to listen to the show and everything, and I think 182 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,320 we provide like a unique insight and stuff that's happening on Capitol Hill and all 183 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,879 that sort of stuff. But I think every time we do a show, 184 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,879 you know, I'm thinking about my buddies back in Indiana and whether that this 185 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:46,519 content and the story's recovering are accessible to them, and the way that they 186 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,440 can sume politics, and like nobody just sits down for a lunch or they're 187 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,600 at the water cooler and they're only talking about politics, or like they want 188 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,320 to be lectured too, right, Like if they talk about politics, they're 189 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,840 talking about that forty percent of the time, and they're talking about sports, 190 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:01,200 talking about cuture they're talking about movies, they're talking about all this sort of 191 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,000 stuff. So I think we try to make our show approachable from that lens 192 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:09,320 of like, how do normal people actually consume politics? You know, I've 193 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,679 got family in Florida and in Texas and Indiana, and when I talk to 194 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,720 them, they're only kind of sort of paying attention to this Republican primary at 195 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:18,240 this point. Like, and these are people who definitely consume a lot of 196 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:22,679 political news. But I think what people are seeing in the polling is like 197 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,039 the response bias of people who pick up the phone and talk to a polster 198 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:28,000 for twenty minutes and say, yes, I'm definitely voting for this person, 199 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,399 right, And I think the like, just based on my conversations with family 200 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,480 across the country, everybody is much more open for business. Yeah, then 201 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,200 the polls would suggest. And like even if you look at some of the 202 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,679 polls, like you know, Donald Trump's at forty five percent, but you 203 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,720 look at at the cross tabs and those polls, half the people that are 204 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,159 saying they're supporting Donald Trump today are open to other candidates. And like you 205 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:54,960 would never really know that from reading just headlines. You know, no, 206 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,759 talking to family and friends, is the best way I've found to stay grounded 207 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:03,519 and all kinds of politics, but particularly this presidential election. And I mean, 208 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,679 I'm also from the Midwest, like these guys, you can't. Literally 209 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,879 the thing you need to know about Smash is that he actually cannot complete a 210 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,320 sentence without linking it back to Cincinnati. It is impossible, you can't. 211 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:18,279 It is literally. Wait, just wait. Guy loves his town, proud 212 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,159 of his town. That's a thing these days. The truth is it's because 213 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:30,440 Brick's the only DC guy here. He's friends with journals. Yeah, what 214 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,120 I've found is that you really cannot get a good understanding what's happening in politics 215 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,000 by talking to people in DC. You just fundamentally can't. And you were 216 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,840 asking about the presidential race. And what I've heard from a lot of my 217 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:45,960 family and a lot of my friends is that people are open minded. Like 218 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Michael says, they want to stay. They still like Trump, they still 219 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:52,759 want to stick up for Trump, but they want to win, and so 220 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:56,960 they don't They're not ready to like completely turn away from Trump. You know, 221 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,519 they like the things that he did. This is probably like what you 222 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:05,120 guys here on a daily basis. But they also want to win and they 223 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:09,519 don't want another four years of Joe Biden. So it's it's a conflict that 224 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,639 they are wrestling with on a routine basis, and the mainstream media will never 225 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,399 capture that. Yeah, we have a lot of diehards though, I mean, 226 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,399 you'd be surprised, like we have a you know, we have a 227 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:24,200 definitely we have like the real folks out here in our audience, but a 228 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,360 lot of the diehard Trump people. What we're struggling with, I think, 229 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,559 audience wise, is we're trying to get a gauge as to whether or not 230 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,279 those folks will be never biden Ers, if that makes sense, Like, 231 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,320 we want to make sure that when it when push comes to shove, they 232 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,200 will vote for whoever it is that is on our ticket, and it's not 233 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,759 going to be Biden, you know what I mean. Look at that at 234 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:50,840 both too. I mean, I think my sense is both sides of the 235 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:54,320 party we have equal concern. Now generally speaking, this thing works its way 236 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:00,120 back together because a great, great equalizer and consolidator is always a Democratic party 237 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,080 and their willingness to do absolutely insane things that drive people through the moon with 238 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,600 woke culture and everything else, so I look, I think we're gonna get 239 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,840 there, but there is a chasm, no question about it, that we 240 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,960 may not have seen since like hw Bush and Bob Dole, right where you 241 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,919 just have two sort of competing visions that are not working together hand in hand, 242 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,240 and then they're just going to run this thing all the way through. 243 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:30,000 And I don't know that that's necessarily just Santas and Trump. I mean, 244 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,039 it's the Field and Trump, and I think we're gonna get there. But 245 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:37,039 I agree with you. I think that for us, we take time trying 246 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,159 to explain that I'm like eighty five on the issues themselves. I mean, 247 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:47,360 other than like a handful of things, everybody agrees on almost everything right right 248 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,799 exactly. Yeah, And so what we try to suss out, and I'm 249 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,639 sure you guys do a lot of this too, is why is it that 250 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,399 you are where you are? And you know, for an awful lot of 251 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,480 Trump supporters that thirty percent sort of what it feels like a basement that he 252 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:06,440 can't go below that. I'm not sure that there's a ton of issues in 253 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,480 them of themselves that have consolidated that support. I think they just love Donald 254 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,119 Trump, and that is fair and that is exactly that is how you build 255 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,200 a movement, and that's what a base looks like. I mean, it 256 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,200 doesn't almost matter what it is that the issues are for the rest of the 257 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,960 field. There are issues that sort of helped consult for people who are very, 258 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,759 very concerned about the advancement of woke culture and corporations and schools and things 259 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,200 like that. I mean, DeSantis has historically had a big lead with that 260 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:37,440 crew, you know, and there's different candidates have different pitches. I think 261 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,599 at some point everybody will get back together. Here we're just gonna We're not 262 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,799 there yet. We have a lot of road to go. Yeah. I 263 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,960 think it was roughly at this point in the previous Republican primary that we had 264 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,880 Jeb Bush leading and people were thinking about Scott Walker might be, yeah the 265 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,400 next thing. So well, he did his breath best Brewster's millions impersonations right 266 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,400 that spend it all one day, like thirty seven mill and what did they 267 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,160 call him? Remember they called he always referred to himself as aggressively normal. 268 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,960 He was very normal, and I love that because he so was his normal 269 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:14,960 aggressive and his track record of just kicking the hell out of unions was incredible, 270 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:17,720 like he had a great track record. Was It's just you never know 271 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:21,559 the way these things turn out. He ran for president as a vanilla ice 272 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:27,160 cream going There is no question about that. And the guy I order vanilla 273 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,640 ice cream. There's nothing wrong with vanilla ice cream for some of us. 274 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,119 On yourself, you're telling on yourself. It's okay, it's all right. 275 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:41,559 Are you guys all? Are you all on the same page when it comes 276 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,839 to who you would like to see advance to be the nominee? I don't 277 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:51,559 think. Yeah. I think I think that's what we love about. We 278 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,799 all have very different perspectives. Yea extremely different perspectives. On the show we 279 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,519 and we you know that comes up and we do sort of squabble a little 280 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,720 bit about it, which I think is, you know, it gives a 281 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,960 little spice. I think that you got to tell everybody go around the table 282 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,640 and like name your horse. Oh I don't have Can you do that? 283 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,720 I don't think we can. And and plus we have made a concerted effort 284 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,519 within UH in both with our agreement with when we're talking to Rona McDaniel in 285 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:23,400 the RNC, and they're gracious offer to help or to allow us to host 286 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:29,720 a pregame show for the debate. We weren't going to be endorsing candidates. 287 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,960 That would make it a little difficult to having partiality in that. Yeah. 288 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,640 So, but we also have made a commitment to our audience that we were 289 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,400 going to have every single presidential candidate on and give them a long form, 290 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,680 half hour interview where we ask of all kinds of different stuff. We're not 291 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,960 going to put thumbs on the scale, and they can make the determination. 292 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,880 You know, they've look some of surprise people. Right We had Doug Bergham 293 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,319 on the show, who crushed it. Yeah, it was an incredible like 294 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:00,599 I'm telling you, when more folks know about Doug Bergham, like his story 295 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:04,160 of essentially he used to be a chimney sweep who got into Stanford and started 296 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,319 a company in North Dakota to keep kids in North Dakota working in North Kota, 297 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,559 FLINNY. He sold the Microsoft for a billion dollars build a tech company 298 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:19,960 in North Dakota. See now, our oldest daughter is so incredibly pregnant right 299 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,599 now, she's so pregnant, and it's her birthday today, and so we're 300 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:26,880 gonna celebrate this weekend We're gonna drive to Dallas, and we were like, 301 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,599 maybe we should take her to a restaurant. 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I think 327 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,640 is from Let me just say, Vivek is from. Since here we go 328 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,039 another up by the big straps guy. He's a billionaire because of his hard 329 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,799 work. You just knew Cincinnati was coming. He's also resonating with young people. 330 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:32,079 I have two older kids that millennials. They really like vague. I 331 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:34,880 don't know what you guys are hearing from the millennial folks, like, but 332 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:41,119 that is that is something is that is attractive to the younger demo. Is 333 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,920 the fact that he is not eighty years old. Yeah, I think I 334 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,359 think I think that's key my feedback loop. Yeah, my feedback loop on 335 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,599 him is biased because he's from Cincinnati and we actually have some of some friends 336 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,200 in common. Uh. But I think you're right about the age thing. 337 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,079 I think the age thing. And Michael has gone to the matt on this 338 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,039 on the show, I'll let him talk about his his war on boomers. 339 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:11,559 But like, but I think I think there's there's something too that It's like 340 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,559 when is the torch going to pass to our generation? It's like Gen X 341 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,160 has just been overlooked for how long? And now it's like it's our time. 342 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:23,519 Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's like enough already with old people. 343 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,519 I think the boomers would admit, but they have sort of a strangle 344 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:30,000 hold on our culture. You know, like here we go, wound him, 345 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,200 you stick a corner in his back, Ladies, here we go Okay, 346 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,799 I go, let let him go. I'm good with it. We'll 347 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:41,880 shake it. Think about think about this, Okay, two big before the 348 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:47,640 Oppenheimer and Barbie, right, the two big summer block blockbusters were Another Mission 349 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,200 Impossible movie starring Tom Cruise and Another movie with Harrison Ford, you know, 350 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,640 and and like, yeah, I'm sorry, but those people have been around 351 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,960 since like the nineteen eighties, Like, and the boomers are like, yeah, 352 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,480 these stars need to be headlining more summer blockbusters. It needs to be 353 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,920 more about when I was, you know, forty years younger, you know, 354 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,599 and like nothing new, nothing new. And then think about like the 355 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,480 two leading candidates for president. You got Joe Biden, he's technically silent generation, 356 00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:19,119 he's not even a baby boom. But let's let's say it's of the 357 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,880 same you know, era, and then you know, Donald Trump baby boomer, 358 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,960 right, And I think about the fact that, like, you know, 359 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,079 when we elected the first baby boomer president, Bill Clinton, was nineteen 360 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,200 ninety two, and my father, who is a baby boomer, was the 361 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,480 age I am. Now my son is the age I was when we elected 362 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:45,160 the first baby boomer president. Think about that, and that was thirty years 363 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,799 ago now, thirty years ago, we elected the first baby boomer president, 364 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,640 and the two leading candidates for president are still baby boomers thirty years later. 365 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:56,160 Wow, And it's like these baby but they talk about like leaving a better 366 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:03,039 country for the next generation. When does that start? When does that start? 367 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,759 Exactly? You're so right, Let's get a let's get a sampling your 368 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:15,000 thoughts on social security. Look, I love the baby boomers, but like, 369 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,119 you know, we could start passing the fasten the torch. Yeah, 370 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,839 all I'm saying, you know, and I know I'm no, I'm gonna 371 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,880 get angry my mom. Know. The only thing I'll say about that, 372 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,480 like, especially about the creative stuff, like the movies. We wouldn't they 373 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:36,599 wouldn't be making so many mission impossible movies if millennials would make stuff that was 374 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,640 actually decent, Like I mean, start being creat quick, remaking all of 375 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,079 our ship. I think I think that's the tragedy of it, is that 376 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,599 the millennial generation is actually more destructive than the boom because they take everything that 377 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,000 was sacred and wonderful. Yeah, and then they'll be like, now this 378 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,720 person is a different racist, person's a different gender, and they're going to 379 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:03,160 be fighting like capitalism or something like this is a magic fish or something. 380 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,000 Yeah, quickly doing all of our stuff. Quit like warping all of the 381 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,000 great stuff that we did back in the eighties and nineties and like come up 382 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,000 with your own stuff. But other than that, I totally agree with everything 383 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:22,799 else that you say. I'm still getting through magic. What do you guys 384 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:29,160 make of DeSantis's decline in the polls? Like He's people are going after him 385 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,680 so hard, and you know, my view is, personally, is it 386 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:37,440 I think Trump has really tainted his entire campaign and his idolater followers are just 387 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,720 doing to DeSantis everything that they complained was ever done to Trump in the last 388 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:47,319 campaign cycles. But is it something that you think that he can recover from? 389 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,279 And do you think that he's messaging correctly and that he needs to just 390 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,440 stick with what he's doing or does he need like a whole shake up. 391 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,720 Yeah, let me let me start with the first piece of this, which 392 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,720 is always overlooked because of all the headlines about Donald Trump. He's actually running 393 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,960 a pretty good campaign, and he's got some really smart people that helped to 394 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,279 steer the ship right now. And there's little things for those of us who 395 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,720 have been in the business for a long period of time that you look at 396 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,279 and like they're technically very sound for the first time in any of Donald Trump's 397 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:22,960 previous campaigns, Like there's Sarah get deployment, their endorsements to overshadow news events, 398 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,440 and other candidates are making like they're just technically very sound. And that 399 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:33,359 includes strip and bark from Ron de Santis for like six eight months and spending 400 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,920 an enormous amount trying to define him. I do think that. Look, 401 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,920 when Ron de Santis was in the lead in this race in January and February 402 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:47,240 of this year, he had a consolidation post his big win in Florida, 403 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:52,440 where everybody who didn't want to just revote for Trump saw in him as the 404 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:59,279 alternative. And that included everything from the base that Ron de Santis currently enjoys 405 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,519 that we talked about out with the woke, you know, anti woke crowd, 406 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,640 to your center left, center right suburban voter who may have walked off 407 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,799 the stage during the Trump years because they were just sort of fed up with 408 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:18,759 the Republican Party. And that consolidation made for a forty five forty six percent 409 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,160 of the Republican electorate at the time, his role out of the campaign was 410 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,559 less than perfect, let's just say that, and coupled on top of that 411 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:33,279 a real significant offensive move from Donald Trump in his campaign. It's been a 412 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,599 pretty precipitous decline. I will say this, in the last ten days, 413 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:45,720 I have noticed a significant rhetorical and presentation change out of Ronda Santis that I 414 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,960 think had he hit from the very beginning, that the decline may not have 415 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,960 happened. But he's sort of opening up the kimono here on everything that it 416 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,720 is that he is talking about why he's running, his record and everything else, 417 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,319 and he's not afraid to go on perhaps adversary aerial shows and talk about 418 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,880 it and nobody's pulling one over on Ron De Santis. He's pretty good at 419 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,839 this kind of thing, and he's demonstrated that in Florida, and I think 420 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,319 that gives him an ability to build back now. Whether it gets back to 421 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,480 where it was at the beginning of this year or not, I guess time 422 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,279 will tell. But I think he's running a hell of a lot better campaign 423 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,799 today than he was a month ago. And also, I think, you 424 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,599 know, it's not just Trump's attacks. I think in January or February, 425 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,960 wh who's pulling much higher folks didn't know about, you know, the half 426 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,519 dozen other candidates that are in this race that are garnering support of their own. 427 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,839 You know, we mentioned Vivek, we mentioned Bergham. There's a lot 428 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,200 of candids who've been getting attention, so he's no longer seen as the only 429 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,319 alternative. I would say one thing, like echoing what Josh said, is 430 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,799 the more that they make the campaign about governor Desantists, the better it is 431 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:51,119 for him. He's got that record of victory, you know, winning huge 432 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,680 in Florida, and you talk to Floridians and I don't think I've met a 433 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,720 single one who isn't a huge Desantists fan. You know, especially during COVID, 434 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,039 they you know, they remained open and they were very vocal about how, 435 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,559 you know, look, we can actually live like normal, free humans, 436 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,400 when in many parts of the country it was an absolute nightmare where folks 437 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,720 weren't allowed to attend the funeral for a family member. It was that die 438 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:15,920 or a time. And you know, a law of folks on the left 439 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,200 are hoping everyone just completely forgets that that happened. So I think that'd be 440 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,799 one of the things that you know, Dezantis needs to really highlight much more 441 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,000 is his success as a governor. Again, I still think it's just so 442 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:30,680 early until you see the folks on stage, like the way that Trump caught 443 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,079 fire in that first debate when no one you know, debates used to be 444 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,279 this like boring, very formal event, and he gets up there and just 445 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,400 punches everyone in the mouth. And folks love that. So you know, 446 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,400 when they all get up there and you actually see, you know, how 447 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,680 they interact and who wants it. And the last thing is, you know, 448 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,759 I think McCain's a great example. There's been so many of these come 449 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:55,319 from behind wins in primaries where the most important step it's almost like the hero's 450 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,359 journey is they have to lose everything, they have to strip down, they 451 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,680 have to be beaten, and then they have to crawl back from that. 452 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200 That's the thing is, if you can come back from adversity, that's I 453 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,519 mean, that's the story of America. Well, and you can't run against 454 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,480 a former president of the United States without contrasting them versus you, right, 455 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,519 And I think you know, for the for the first six weeks of the 456 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,400 campaign, Ron Decantis, you know, only kind of sort of tangentially attacked 457 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,039 Donald Trump. And it's like, well, if you aren't going to take 458 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,680 the guy head on, you aren't gonna win because he had the job he 459 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,680 was president, right. No Trump voter is going to vote Trump light when 460 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,880 Trump is in right race. Right, And if you're it's just and if 461 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,920 key to your argument is I'm a winner. I just won Florida by twenty 462 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:41,400 points, that contrast only really works if you point out the fact that Donald 463 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,359 Trump lost to Joe Biden, right, And if you aren't comfortable doing that, 464 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,880 then just give up and go home, you know. And I think 465 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,680 over the last week, back to Holmes's point, is like he sort of 466 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,720 changed his rhetorical tact on this, and I think a way that is productive 467 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,119 for his campaign. Now. No consultant, indeed, see would have told 468 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,319 Ron de Santis to do that, because if you looked at every single poll, 469 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,359 you'd be like, oh, well, you know, you can't criticize 470 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,039 Donald Trump because these voters love him and they love what he accomplished when he's 471 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,559 president, and all of that may well be true, but if you intend 472 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,279 on beating him in a Republican primary, you have to create the contrast that 473 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,759 allows you to win. Otherwise, what are we doing here? Do you 474 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,359 think that Trump's gonna show? I mean, it's funny you mentioned that, 475 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,480 because this is actually why I think it's one of the reasons I really really 476 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:31,039 hope Trump does show at that debate, because he is entertaining. He doesn't 477 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:36,480 have anything to be afraid of. We all know what he can do in 478 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,440 a debate setting. But I really want to see him go toe to toe 479 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,960 with this new class of candidates. This is almost a completely different class of 480 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,079 Republican presidential candidates than we saw when Trump first ran in twenty sixteen. He's 481 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,799 getting a little older, he's got some some record to stick up for, 482 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,000 some record to be proud of, you know, and I think everybody should 483 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,039 get a chance to have their say. And just purely from a spectator perspective 484 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:07,279 here, I think Republican primary voters really want to see all of them in 485 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,440 the ring together, because even if you do like Trump, you have the 486 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,000 confidence that he's going to be able to come out on top. And also, 487 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,279 I feel like he has more upside than downside. I'm sure like consultants 488 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,000 are telling him, oh listen, you're up in the polls, don't rock 489 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,799 the boat. Let's just you know, stay on cruise control and let's get 490 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,200 this nomination. But if he shows up and it's like the line is still 491 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:30,240 running the jungle and just wallops everybody, I think there's a lot more consolidate 492 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,599 this and you can actually put it down. He could put it away if 493 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,480 he just shows up and just say and he already did that town hall on 494 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,680 c N. You know, I mean, like he can. He clearly 495 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,519 can hurt him. I think hurt him if he doesn't show up. Here's 496 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,759 like, I think there are two maxims in politics that I just have internalized. 497 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,119 The first is you can never take a vote for granted, regardless if 498 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,160 it's your column or not. People want you to earn their vote, regardless 499 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,559 of where they are, and they could be just totally enamored with your candidacy, 500 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,480 but if it ever feels like you're not really working for it, they 501 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:13,400 walk away pretty damn fast. The electorate is pretty dynamic in that regard, 502 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,840 and you, if you're Donald Trump, you do not want to give any 503 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,880 sliver of an inclination that you think this thing is over and you're mailing it 504 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,400 in. I mean, Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin. She didn't show them. 505 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,599 I mean, that's a perfect example, right, I mean, there's 506 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,519 just there's such a great example, it really is. And then the other, 507 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,920 the other maximum that I lived by that I think Duncan was getting to 508 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,280 is there's never been a Republican nominee for president ever that has run and won 509 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:44,079 the nomination off of somebody else's movement. Ever. It just doesn't happen. 510 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,719 You know. The closest you could say was George H. W. Bush 511 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,440 coming off of eight years of Ronald Reagan, but it wasn't because he reframed 512 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,079 everything with a thousand points of light and it was like a very different message 513 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:00,880 than Ronald Reagan had. People do not just sort of like fixate on one 514 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,639 thing that gave them their vote four ye years ago or eight years ago and 515 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:08,320 then apply it to other people. And that is the biggest mistake the consultants 516 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,679 in our line of work make is that they look at polls statically and they 517 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:17,199 say, well, seventy percent of people believe this. That's all that's true, 518 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,679 But it's also a very dynamic atmosphere. When you convince people to change, 519 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,320 you build a movement of your own, and that is actually what defines 520 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,760 every single nominee as far back as I can remember. Happy anniversary. What 521 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:37,480 it's not yours, it's Mike Lindell's. Oh he's been doing He's been doing 522 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,719 the My Pillow thing for twenty years. Isn't that something? I have never 523 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,559 had a job that long. I mean, it's like, so props to 524 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:51,039 him for having that company and doing the most amazing things like and making the 525 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:55,199 most amazing products for twenty years. I mean, what an amazing story he 526 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,719 has too, just total like down and out worst of times all the way 527 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,719 to just enormous success, and he deserves every last bit of it. And 528 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,400 everything that My Pillow makes is so always my favorite version of that thing. 529 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,599 So like, you can get towels at a department store whatever, They're fine, 530 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:16,519 but then some go My Pillow figures out a way to make them the 531 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:21,159 very best towels ever. Same with their sheets, even dish towels. Yeah, 532 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,280 dish towels, you guys, they have those too. I mean, 533 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,800 every last thing they do is just like it's just heads above everybody else, 534 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,880 the best and their pillow, the original pillow. Right now, as part 535 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,960 of their big twentieth anniversary special, their sale going on right now. You 536 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,679 can get the Queen Size my Pillows for less than twenty dollars. That's it, 537 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:42,400 for a Queen size pillow less than twenty dollars. That's just part of 538 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,559 one of the many things that is on super duper sale right now. When 539 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:50,880 you go to my pillow dot com slash chicks and then you use code chicks 540 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,000 at checkout to get the very deepest discounts on the pillows or the towels or 541 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:58,480 the sheets or whatever products that you are choosing, you're going to be so 542 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:05,840 happy with them My Pillow slash slash. Do you want to switch gears since 543 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,039 we've talked a lot of politics, yash, and you want to switch gears 544 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:12,559 and talk about radio a little bit. You guys have probably heard the story 545 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:16,639 about Don Geronimo. Yeah, yeah, Don Geronimo. So he's he's sixty 546 00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:22,320 four. Charlotte McBride is thirty nine. So Don Geronimo is a radio he's 547 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,840 been a radio for a very very long time. And obviously you guys have 548 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,079 heard a little bit about this story. But he and his sidekick, I 549 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,119 think his name is Crash. I don't know his real name. I'm sure 550 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,559 his parents didn't name him Crash, but they were at the commander's training camp 551 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,280 and they said a few things about Charlotte not knowing I'm assuming they didn't really 552 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,639 know who she was, but since she is a very beautiful woman and she 553 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,519 does resemble Barbie, I mean, she has the look that kind of looks 554 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,599 like Barbie, he made some comments and he said I thought she was a 555 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:58,880 cheerleadery referred to or as being you know, Barbie, and they were both 556 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,960 fired for those comments. And Mak and I did a whole podcast on this 557 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:07,480 about a week ago, and we both disagree with it. I mean, 558 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,880 just wholeheartedly agree with the fact that both these guys were fired. I think 559 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,599 one of the reasons we agree with it is because we're of the generation where 560 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,639 we just don't get offended by much. But also, we both worked in 561 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,360 radio for you know, almost a decade, and we worked with all dudes, 562 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,039 and so we look at this and we're like, God, we could 563 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:30,679 have gotten all these guys fired too, said you know what I mean, 564 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,159 because because it was just a playful, fun, frat like environment that we 565 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,360 just we really enjoyed it because they were like all they were our brothers. 566 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,320 Was like working with a bunch of brothers. But also, I mean if 567 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,719 if you know, Mac said this in our podcast, because I don't look 568 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,880 a thing like Barbie, but she could probably pass more for Barbie. But 569 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,079 if some dude came up to her and said, you look like Barbie or 570 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,239 I thought you were a cheerleader, both of us would take that as a 571 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,840 compliment. Oh my god. I would be like falling all over myself with 572 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,760 glee. I wouldn't be like, this is the thing. And we're both 573 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,440 educated, you know, I feel like accomplished women, and I wouldn't be 574 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,239 like I just wouldn't be offended by that at all. But so many women 575 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,840 are offended by this stuff and the fact that they that she is okay with 576 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,800 this guy or both these guys getting fired from their jobs for this stuff. 577 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,199 Just people women are so okay with the cancel culture. I'm just curious. 578 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:29,119 You guys are younger than us, and so I'm just curious what your take 579 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,599 is on this whole debacle, all these shenanigans. Yeah. Well, I 580 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,079 mean, look, I think it's an indictment of our culture in a lot 581 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,480 of ways, and that we've become victims and everybody feels like the only recourse 582 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:45,599 they have is to be victimized by something. I'm not saying that this this 583 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,599 woman wasn't offended. She may very well have been offended. But I think 584 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,320 you know, in generations past in this country, when you're offended by something 585 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,960 like that, she's also an incredibly accomplished professional. And if you've got two 586 00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:00,440 dudes out there saying something that's offending you, I think generations past, certainly 587 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,960 you two would have done this. You walk up to their radio show and 588 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,119 you intimidate the hell out of them. Yeah, the old geriatric bastards. 589 00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,039 You don't know anything about what you're talking about, and it's nice of you 590 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:13,280 to appreciate something. We actually said that. Yeah, offend them right back, 591 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,719 right, right, right right, we said, we said we would 592 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,599 have challenged them to some sort of a you know, like a like a 593 00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,800 banter duel exactly. It would have been something where we could have elevated our 594 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,159 show by going back and forth with those guys. It would have been like, 595 00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,079 yeah, okay, well let's go back and forth with them for a 596 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:30,400 little bit. But yes, she just didn't do that. She did play 597 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,559 the victim, which makes all women look bad and we know they're just it's 598 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,079 like there's an absolute loss of forbearance and just trying to understand each other. 599 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:43,559 And you know, the first instinct in our society has now become, how 600 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,880 do I take away this person's livelihood if I feel they've wronged me? Like 601 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:51,480 the major reaction to just make sure someone will worry about how they're going to 602 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,320 pay rent or mortgage or feed their families the first action they've decided to take 603 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,760 and stuff maybe pulling them over and saying, you know, that was kind 604 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,880 of a jerk thing to say. That actually has more of an impact on 605 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,280 a person, I would say than you know, their reaction from losing their 606 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,639 livelihood becomes like, well, I hate this person now you know the problem 607 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:12,159 hasn't been solved. You've just made someone extremely bitter and hardened. And what 608 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,000 is it teach people about? Like basically the message that it sends that you 609 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,679 have no agency whatsoever, right, that you are just sort of walking this 610 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,920 earth, and anything that happens to you you can cry cry foul and the 611 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:30,159 imaginary referee comes in and lays penalties on the opposition. You imagine teaching your 612 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,719 kids that right, that life's not hard, that if somebody comes at you 613 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,639 and offends you or tries to do something to you to hurt your livelihood and 614 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,760 what you're trying to do for a living, and the only thing you can 615 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,719 do is throw up your hands and ask for somebody's you know, third party 616 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,440 intermediary to help you out. Granted, there are horrible stories that we've had 617 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,480 over the years of people actually being sexually harassed and actually you know, having 618 00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:04,480 horrible workplaces that all of us completely agree need to be addressed immediately. But 619 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,000 this kind of thing is an offense. You're offended. If she was offended, 620 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,760 like you said, you probably wouldn't be offended. None of the women 621 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,360 in my life would have been offended by something like that. But I understand 622 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000 that there's some people who would take offense to that. Some people would some 623 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:22,000 people would And the idea that she doesn't have any agency of her own to 624 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:27,840 address that, I think is a really shitty thing to tell young women who 625 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,119 are trying to be professionals, who are trying to get to a point where 626 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,239 they're that guy's boss, right, And if if someday in the next Don 627 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,800 Dronimo of thirty years from now, his boss looks a lot like Barbie instead 628 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,679 of whoever his boss is. Now, my sense is he probably has a 629 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,760 very different way of handling that kind of thing, and that's how you make 630 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,559 societal change. It's not bye just like blowing the whistle exactly exactly. So, 631 00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:01,400 Fellas, if you could let our audience know more about this upcoming debate 632 00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:06,719 night preview that you're doing. Yeah, it's a huge deal. I mean, 633 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,920 I still can't believe it's happening. It was incredibly generous. We had 634 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,480 Ron on our show and on the spot, she's like, well, why 635 00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,880 don't you guys do like a game day pregame for the debate? So, 636 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,400 I mean, you know, if that's what she wanted, she may regret 637 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,400 it, but we're gonna deeply regret. I mean, for those of your 638 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,320 audience who aren't familiar college game days of famous ESPN show that they do before 639 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,079 college football games where they have a big desk in front of a crowd in 640 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,599 front of the stadium of the week, game of the week, we're big 641 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,119 SEC girls here. Yeah, yeah, so you know exactly. I mean 642 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,280 literally they camp out in SEC territory. But what this is is like a 643 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,280 first of its kind in politics, where you use the energy and the interest 644 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,360 in a younger generation to help amplify the event a little bit, and you 645 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,239 have some fun and it's not gonna be like four dudes up with like the 646 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,079 third tier surrogate of each campaign, like, well, what does the governor 647 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:04,480 need to do tonight? You know? I mean, we're going to be 648 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,559 having fun and we're gonna be telling jokes and we're gonna be doing a little 649 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,719 analysis, but more than anything, we're gonna try to get people really into 650 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,280 it. Yep, Yeah, it's gonna be It's it's the official pregame show 651 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,800 for the debate. There's gonna be a massive crowd behind us. Uh, 652 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,519 the logistics are getting financed, but it should really just be a massive party. 653 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,519 That's what the goal is. Celebrating that, like the time has come 654 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,239 to get rid of Joe Biden. It's gonna be great. And where is 655 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,480 it going to be live? Where are you guys going to be? So 656 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,760 it'll be on Rumble, we'll be we'll be right outside of the venue in 657 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,480 Milwaukee. So just just step steps from the front steps from the front door 658 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,320 going into the debate, and people who are going into the debate are going 659 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,320 to be behind us with signs and everything, and we'll be up. It 660 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:52,079 is going to be And I mean, there's so much stuffy coverage of politics, 661 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,400 and everybody is kind of like comes at this from a background of being 662 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,840 a nerd who was their lunch money was taken from them every day and they 663 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,360 lived in a locker in high school. And what we try, what we're 664 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:08,320 trying to do is bring this into normal people culture where it's like a little 665 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,159 bit more like the regular types. In your eyes, your discussion of politics 666 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,400 is all like a vindictive revenge on their childhood exactly exactly. And if if 667 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,239 you can you know what I was just going to say. We have been 668 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,480 talking about culture and just the bravo to the RNC for doing this, because 669 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,920 we've been talking about culture and politics literally for fourteen years since we started this, 670 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,000 and so the fact that they did this and they engaged you guys to 671 00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,960 do this that night is just such a fantastic It's just a win for them, 672 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,039 it's a total win for us, it's a win for conservatism. So 673 00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,679 bravo to them for doing this, and bravo to y'all's appreciate it. Thanks 674 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,039 for the kind words you guys have been a big part of that revolutionary change 675 00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,360 and looking at politics and a little different, little lighter side were very necessary 676 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,119 change. Yeah, and it's just there's not a lot of us out there, 677 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,679 so it's nice. It's nice to stick together, absolutely and appreciate you 678 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,760 being on with us today. So looking forward to just continued appearances on each 679 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,280 other's programs because guys are a blast and that's all. It's always great to 680 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,000 talk to. Thank you so much.