I think the boomers would admit, but they have sort of a strangle hold
on our culture. You know, like here we go, stick a corner
in his back, Ladies, here we go. Okay, go let it,
let him go. I'm good with it. Shake it is it still
on? Tell me it's not? Still on the beast? Still happen?
It's not. They don't cancel shitty shows these days. They like firing congress
people. Of the Chicks on the Right podcast, we are thrilled today to
be joined by all the fellas from the Ruthless Podcast. We were guests of
theirs several weeks ago and had just the best time and wanted to absolutely return
the favor. So we're glad to have the fellas with us. And I
thought a way to kick off our conversation today because I know we're going to
talk about a lot of things. But for those people in our audience who
may not know or be new to you, fellas, could you talk a
little bit about how you all began and why you refer to your show as
the program? Well, how dare or anyone not be familiar? How dare
they? Uh? Listen? Thanks for the hospitality. We really loved having
you guys on when you were on our show. I think we had a
good time and good enough where we didn't offend you where you wouldn't return the
favor. So here we are listen the programs. It's probably a downstream effect
of all of our sort of idiosyncrasies, oddities and otherwise weirdness that we just
can't call it a program. Part of it is our affectations. We gotta
we're over indexed on midwesterners here on the program. Love it and truth be
told, I'm not even sure how it is that it started, but I
know we did a lot of variety. Yeah, I thought it. I
thought program came from trying to mimic like the southern genteel senator sound of the
you know the program program, Yes, you know that's what That's what I
mean. I don't know. Some of it's just apocryphal. I don't know
how we come up with these things, but we stick with them, and
the lore of the program is rather deep at this point. We need like
a decoder ring to get all the jokes. I mean, people appreciate it,
some people don't, but we should put together like a glossary. Yeah
no, right, weary, Yeah, we're good. So you guys get
it. Here's fourteen years, fourteen years of like inside jokes that we have
to like it, and then everybody is in on the inside jokes. So
yes, we totally get that. The program, the whole show. I
feel like the whole show is basically just you know, our lunchtime conversation.
And we kind of got this whole thing started during COVID. You know,
we would do like a regular sort of you know, five pm zoom from
our homes and after a while sitting around and joking and having a few pops,
we were like, you know, this might actually make for a good
podcast, And so you know, here we are three years later. It's
a lunchtime conversation if your lunchtime includes like three tiptoppers of bourbon, Yeah that's
that's And also, to be fair, it wasn't just really hanging out on
zoom. It was betting on horses while drinking bourbon. Yeah, completely fair.
Yeah, Well, transparency is a hallmark of the variety, right,
So I mean we had a great time, We had a great conversation,
and like like Duncan said, we said, why don't we actually just hit
record and see how this goes, and of course it started off as a
mess for a few episodes. We've regretted it ever since. I love it.
It's so funny. We're so we're kind of kindred in that sense because
that's in essence, that's kind of how we started. It wasn't a podcast,
but that's kind of how we started our website is we just went to
lunch and talked every day. So it's it's really interesting how it's very similar
to how we started. Only yours obviously was different through COVID. It was
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during COVID because you are friends aside from podcasters and wanted a way to stay
connected. Yeah, totally. So, I mean we sort of worked in
and around each other. Swag and I met hilariously over the internet, as
one does in these in this day and age. Yeah, so we basically
would would occasionally talk. We were like minded on Twitter, as conservatives are,
and I would host these off the record happy hours when I would come
through d see and I invite homes to one of these, and you know,
instantly we hit it off. He was just as funny, uh in
person. You never know when he meets someone from the internet, if it's
like, oh, they were actually dangerous psychopath which I'm sure you had the
same was like, dude, this guy, he's a dangerous psychopaths And unfortunately
for both of us, neither were. No I was gonna say all of
our fears were confirmed. But and the rest of us have worked John and
Duncan we worked together for fifteen years, so you know, we all kind
of like do the same, and that's you know, offshoot of ruthless when
talking politics, like we don't in our sort of social life just sit around
and be like, well, let's let's talk about the ends and the outs
of the Republican Party, and let's get that, like, that's not really
us, but our jobs put us in the center of that, and so
we have opinions on those things. And then I think Ruthos is sort of
an outgrowth of that of politics being the cornerstone of what it is we're talking
about. But then, like you guys, it extends far beyond that into
culture and into sports and just animal fighting, animal fighting, which is now
what we're known for is animal fighting. And see we're known for screaming huskies,
so it's all the sas there totally, the screaming huskies exact exactly,
and dunking on the Kardashians. We have to dunk all the time. Nobody's
done better with less than the Kardashians. Absolutely, they are going to be
the cause for the demise of Western civilization. They're trying the ark that that
and the show The Bachelor. The Bachelor, I felt like that in and
of itself was a symptomatic of Rome falling. Like that was tell me it's
not still on the ball. It's not. They don't cancel shitty shows these
days. They don't. They're like firing congress people. It's like firing Congress
people. Bachelor still has like a cockroach. It's still on, is going
to live. They're doing a geriatric version now, Oh yeah, I just
read that they've got like some I don't know, like widow, like some
sixty seventy year old widow that's going to be the next bachelor becomes president of
the United States. I've seen it. He has to be at least eighty
two. There is a meda. So you guys are I mean, since
you're so entrenched in DC, I'm assuming that sometimes you get accusations of being
in a bubble and that you don't understand the real people out here in the
real world. So what is it? I mean, what are you hearing
in the bubble? I guess, or you know, to the extent that
you're outside of it at all. What are you hearing about this upcoming election
and where people's heads arming? We look at the polls and it looks like
Trump's running away with this. But is that the sense where you are is
that do you feel like that's a done deal? Oh? Look, I'll
kick it off. I know everybody's got their individual thoughts on all of this.
I my sense is that all elections in politics in general these days are
pretty dynamic. Now, if you're looking at the polls, and you're looking
at the polls for a period of time, you would say they look pretty
static. To me, it looks like Donald Trump has got a massive lead.
And it doesn't matter if you're you know, are indicted, or what
the news cycle looks like like, it only expands. I think the state
based stuff gets a little different. And if you look at Iowa, New
Hampshire or some of the spending that's going on and some of the names that
are sort of rising and falling, the discrepancy between the top of the ticket
and the rest of the ticket is not quite as much as it is in
a national poll. I think that's something to watch as you get into,
particularly this debate, which is kind of the first time you get everybody on
the stage at the same time making their case. I mean, unless you're
a political junkie, you haven't listened to like Rona Santis's pitch or Nicky Hayley's
pitch or Mike Benson. You just haven't done it. You know that Donald
Trump's in the front page your newspaper every day, and you may believe that
what's been done to him is egregiously wrong, and you may have some sort
of adhes to the top of the ticket as a result of that, but
I don't think we're into the argument yet, and that's you know, look
to take from your question. At the outset, we take a lot of
pride in having pretty strong roots and where we came from, right, None
of us were actually a part of politics, sort of the furthest thing from
silver Spooners, didn't have a mom or dad that got us an internship here
and had to try to work our way up, and as a consequence,
we had a little different perspective than an awful lot of people who were in
Washington from day one and got the internship and sort of worked through the bubble
of Washington, DC. And we stay connected to our hometowns, and so
I think it's a different perspective that we have than maybe a lot of people
here. I think what Holmes just said is extremely critical. I think that
is one thing that all of us have in common is none of us were
silver Spooners. Were all products of self made hard work that went into getting
us here, and I think that is what provides a lot of perspective,
especially today's Republican Party and the more popular. This conservative movement that's currently in
vogue is you know, you've had a shift where it's more like the left
is this you know, generational elite party where they're not even willing to let
the botommy pass. Biden's been in power now for how many years for anyone
here was born. However, we can like the perspective that we bring is
informed from that. You know, when we go out and did a show
in Homes, his hometown, and you see where he came from and you
see his friends from back then, you know he's a Minneapolis guy. Shockingly,
he's not a DC guy. He may dress like what he definitely dresses
the most. I think he's the most put together of all of us,
you know, Like I have a reputation. I understand, and I don't
like looking like I'm not put together. I'm not. I appreciate it.
You're not. You're not an internet guy like me, Like I'm lucky to
just be wearing pants. I was just going to say, the fact that
you're hot at sweatpants today is the Yeah, Sel you have a lot of
respect for the chicks on the road. I do. I do. I
mean, like I think when we so you guys don't want to see I
PJ. Bottoms. Is that it's like business. We're business from like here,
we're like a mullet. Basically, the way that we kind of show
is this. It's not Chicks of the Night, not that at all.
That's a whole different program. Honestly, it's more of a pay to play
operation. Right when we when we started this show, I think we all
had in mind our buddies back home, you know. And I love the
people in DC like to listen to the show and everything, and I think
we provide like a unique insight and stuff that's happening on Capitol Hill and all
that sort of stuff. But I think every time we do a show,
you know, I'm thinking about my buddies back in Indiana and whether that this
content and the story's recovering are accessible to them, and the way that they
can sume politics, and like nobody just sits down for a lunch or they're
at the water cooler and they're only talking about politics, or like they want
to be lectured too, right, Like if they talk about politics, they're
talking about that forty percent of the time, and they're talking about sports,
talking about cuture they're talking about movies, they're talking about all this sort of
stuff. So I think we try to make our show approachable from that lens
of like, how do normal people actually consume politics? You know, I've
got family in Florida and in Texas and Indiana, and when I talk to
them, they're only kind of sort of paying attention to this Republican primary at
this point. Like, and these are people who definitely consume a lot of
political news. But I think what people are seeing in the polling is like
the response bias of people who pick up the phone and talk to a polster
for twenty minutes and say, yes, I'm definitely voting for this person,
right, And I think the like, just based on my conversations with family
across the country, everybody is much more open for business. Yeah, then
the polls would suggest. And like even if you look at some of the
polls, like you know, Donald Trump's at forty five percent, but you
look at at the cross tabs and those polls, half the people that are
saying they're supporting Donald Trump today are open to other candidates. And like you
would never really know that from reading just headlines. You know, no,
talking to family and friends, is the best way I've found to stay grounded
and all kinds of politics, but particularly this presidential election. And I mean,
I'm also from the Midwest, like these guys, you can't. Literally
the thing you need to know about Smash is that he actually cannot complete a
sentence without linking it back to Cincinnati. It is impossible, you can't.
It is literally. Wait, just wait. Guy loves his town, proud
of his town. That's a thing these days. The truth is it's because
Brick's the only DC guy here. He's friends with journals. Yeah, what
I've found is that you really cannot get a good understanding what's happening in politics
by talking to people in DC. You just fundamentally can't. And you were
asking about the presidential race. And what I've heard from a lot of my
family and a lot of my friends is that people are open minded. Like
Michael says, they want to stay. They still like Trump, they still
want to stick up for Trump, but they want to win, and so
they don't They're not ready to like completely turn away from Trump. You know,
they like the things that he did. This is probably like what you
guys here on a daily basis. But they also want to win and they
don't want another four years of Joe Biden. So it's it's a conflict that
they are wrestling with on a routine basis, and the mainstream media will never
capture that. Yeah, we have a lot of diehards though, I mean,
you'd be surprised, like we have a you know, we have a
definitely we have like the real folks out here in our audience, but a
lot of the diehard Trump people. What we're struggling with, I think,
audience wise, is we're trying to get a gauge as to whether or not
those folks will be never biden Ers, if that makes sense, Like,
we want to make sure that when it when push comes to shove, they
will vote for whoever it is that is on our ticket, and it's not
going to be Biden, you know what I mean. Look at that at
both too. I mean, I think my sense is both sides of the
party we have equal concern. Now generally speaking, this thing works its way
back together because a great, great equalizer and consolidator is always a Democratic party
and their willingness to do absolutely insane things that drive people through the moon with
woke culture and everything else, so I look, I think we're gonna get
there, but there is a chasm, no question about it, that we
may not have seen since like hw Bush and Bob Dole, right where you
just have two sort of competing visions that are not working together hand in hand,
and then they're just going to run this thing all the way through.
And I don't know that that's necessarily just Santas and Trump. I mean,
it's the Field and Trump, and I think we're gonna get there. But
I agree with you. I think that for us, we take time trying
to explain that I'm like eighty five on the issues themselves. I mean,
other than like a handful of things, everybody agrees on almost everything right right
exactly. Yeah, And so what we try to suss out, and I'm
sure you guys do a lot of this too, is why is it that
you are where you are? And you know, for an awful lot of
Trump supporters that thirty percent sort of what it feels like a basement that he
can't go below that. I'm not sure that there's a ton of issues in
them of themselves that have consolidated that support. I think they just love Donald
Trump, and that is fair and that is exactly that is how you build
a movement, and that's what a base looks like. I mean, it
doesn't almost matter what it is that the issues are for the rest of the
field. There are issues that sort of helped consult for people who are very,
very concerned about the advancement of woke culture and corporations and schools and things
like that. I mean, DeSantis has historically had a big lead with that
crew, you know, and there's different candidates have different pitches. I think
at some point everybody will get back together. Here we're just gonna We're not
there yet. We have a lot of road to go. Yeah. I
think it was roughly at this point in the previous Republican primary that we had
Jeb Bush leading and people were thinking about Scott Walker might be, yeah the
next thing. So well, he did his breath best Brewster's millions impersonations right
that spend it all one day, like thirty seven mill and what did they
call him? Remember they called he always referred to himself as aggressively normal.
He was very normal, and I love that because he so was his normal
aggressive and his track record of just kicking the hell out of unions was incredible,
like he had a great track record. Was It's just you never know
the way these things turn out. He ran for president as a vanilla ice
cream going There is no question about that. And the guy I order vanilla
ice cream. There's nothing wrong with vanilla ice cream for some of us.
On yourself, you're telling on yourself. It's okay, it's all right.
Are you guys all? Are you all on the same page when it comes
to who you would like to see advance to be the nominee? I don't
think. Yeah. I think I think that's what we love about. We
all have very different perspectives. Yea extremely different perspectives. On the show we
and we you know that comes up and we do sort of squabble a little
bit about it, which I think is, you know, it gives a
little spice. I think that you got to tell everybody go around the table
and like name your horse. Oh I don't have Can you do that?
I don't think we can. And and plus we have made a concerted effort
within UH in both with our agreement with when we're talking to Rona McDaniel in
the RNC, and they're gracious offer to help or to allow us to host
a pregame show for the debate. We weren't going to be endorsing candidates.
That would make it a little difficult to having partiality in that. Yeah.
So, but we also have made a commitment to our audience that we were
going to have every single presidential candidate on and give them a long form,
half hour interview where we ask of all kinds of different stuff. We're not
going to put thumbs on the scale, and they can make the determination.
You know, they've look some of surprise people. Right We had Doug Bergham
on the show, who crushed it. Yeah, it was an incredible like
I'm telling you, when more folks know about Doug Bergham, like his story
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Yeah, I do love the businesspeople stories. I like that aspect.
That's one of the reasons I like Vivek too. Yeah, I do.
I think, I mean, I think business people coming in and running for
office rather than career politicians of it. And that's one of the reasons that
Trump resonated with people, right, That's why people liked him. I think
is from Let me just say, Vivek is from. Since here we go
another up by the big straps guy. He's a billionaire because of his hard
work. You just knew Cincinnati was coming. He's also resonating with young people.
I have two older kids that millennials. They really like vague. I
don't know what you guys are hearing from the millennial folks, like, but
that is that is something is that is attractive to the younger demo. Is
the fact that he is not eighty years old. Yeah, I think I
think I think that's key my feedback loop. Yeah, my feedback loop on
him is biased because he's from Cincinnati and we actually have some of some friends
in common. Uh. But I think you're right about the age thing.
I think the age thing. And Michael has gone to the matt on this
on the show, I'll let him talk about his his war on boomers.
But like, but I think I think there's there's something too that It's like
when is the torch going to pass to our generation? It's like Gen X
has just been overlooked for how long? And now it's like it's our time.
Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's like enough already with old people.
I think the boomers would admit, but they have sort of a strangle
hold on our culture. You know, like here we go, wound him,
you stick a corner in his back, Ladies, here we go Okay,
I go, let let him go. I'm good with it. We'll
shake it. Think about think about this, Okay, two big before the
Oppenheimer and Barbie, right, the two big summer block blockbusters were Another Mission
Impossible movie starring Tom Cruise and Another movie with Harrison Ford, you know,
and and like, yeah, I'm sorry, but those people have been around
since like the nineteen eighties, Like, and the boomers are like, yeah,
these stars need to be headlining more summer blockbusters. It needs to be
more about when I was, you know, forty years younger, you know,
and like nothing new, nothing new. And then think about like the
two leading candidates for president. You got Joe Biden, he's technically silent generation,
he's not even a baby boom. But let's let's say it's of the
same you know, era, and then you know, Donald Trump baby boomer,
right, And I think about the fact that, like, you know,
when we elected the first baby boomer president, Bill Clinton, was nineteen
ninety two, and my father, who is a baby boomer, was the
age I am. Now my son is the age I was when we elected
the first baby boomer president. Think about that, and that was thirty years
ago now, thirty years ago, we elected the first baby boomer president,
and the two leading candidates for president are still baby boomers thirty years later.
Wow, And it's like these baby but they talk about like leaving a better
country for the next generation. When does that start? When does that start?
Exactly? You're so right, Let's get a let's get a sampling your
thoughts on social security. Look, I love the baby boomers, but like,
you know, we could start passing the fasten the torch. Yeah,
all I'm saying, you know, and I know I'm no, I'm gonna
get angry my mom. Know. The only thing I'll say about that,
like, especially about the creative stuff, like the movies. We wouldn't they
wouldn't be making so many mission impossible movies if millennials would make stuff that was
actually decent, Like I mean, start being creat quick, remaking all of
our ship. I think I think that's the tragedy of it, is that
the millennial generation is actually more destructive than the boom because they take everything that
was sacred and wonderful. Yeah, and then they'll be like, now this
person is a different racist, person's a different gender, and they're going to
be fighting like capitalism or something like this is a magic fish or something.
Yeah, quickly doing all of our stuff. Quit like warping all of the
great stuff that we did back in the eighties and nineties and like come up
with your own stuff. But other than that, I totally agree with everything
else that you say. I'm still getting through magic. What do you guys
make of DeSantis's decline in the polls? Like He's people are going after him
so hard, and you know, my view is, personally, is it
I think Trump has really tainted his entire campaign and his idolater followers are just
doing to DeSantis everything that they complained was ever done to Trump in the last
campaign cycles. But is it something that you think that he can recover from?
And do you think that he's messaging correctly and that he needs to just
stick with what he's doing or does he need like a whole shake up.
Yeah, let me let me start with the first piece of this, which
is always overlooked because of all the headlines about Donald Trump. He's actually running
a pretty good campaign, and he's got some really smart people that helped to
steer the ship right now. And there's little things for those of us who
have been in the business for a long period of time that you look at
and like they're technically very sound for the first time in any of Donald Trump's
previous campaigns, Like there's Sarah get deployment, their endorsements to overshadow news events,
and other candidates are making like they're just technically very sound. And that
includes strip and bark from Ron de Santis for like six eight months and spending
an enormous amount trying to define him. I do think that. Look,
when Ron de Santis was in the lead in this race in January and February
of this year, he had a consolidation post his big win in Florida,
where everybody who didn't want to just revote for Trump saw in him as the
alternative. And that included everything from the base that Ron de Santis currently enjoys
that we talked about out with the woke, you know, anti woke crowd,
to your center left, center right suburban voter who may have walked off
the stage during the Trump years because they were just sort of fed up with
the Republican Party. And that consolidation made for a forty five forty six percent
of the Republican electorate at the time, his role out of the campaign was
less than perfect, let's just say that, and coupled on top of that
a real significant offensive move from Donald Trump in his campaign. It's been a
pretty precipitous decline. I will say this, in the last ten days,
I have noticed a significant rhetorical and presentation change out of Ronda Santis that I
think had he hit from the very beginning, that the decline may not have
happened. But he's sort of opening up the kimono here on everything that it
is that he is talking about why he's running, his record and everything else,
and he's not afraid to go on perhaps adversary aerial shows and talk about
it and nobody's pulling one over on Ron De Santis. He's pretty good at
this kind of thing, and he's demonstrated that in Florida, and I think
that gives him an ability to build back now. Whether it gets back to
where it was at the beginning of this year or not, I guess time
will tell. But I think he's running a hell of a lot better campaign
today than he was a month ago. And also, I think, you
know, it's not just Trump's attacks. I think in January or February,
wh who's pulling much higher folks didn't know about, you know, the half
dozen other candidates that are in this race that are garnering support of their own.
You know, we mentioned Vivek, we mentioned Bergham. There's a lot
of candids who've been getting attention, so he's no longer seen as the only
alternative. I would say one thing, like echoing what Josh said, is
the more that they make the campaign about governor Desantists, the better it is
for him. He's got that record of victory, you know, winning huge
in Florida, and you talk to Floridians and I don't think I've met a
single one who isn't a huge Desantists fan. You know, especially during COVID,
they you know, they remained open and they were very vocal about how,
you know, look, we can actually live like normal, free humans,
when in many parts of the country it was an absolute nightmare where folks
weren't allowed to attend the funeral for a family member. It was that die
or a time. And you know, a law of folks on the left
are hoping everyone just completely forgets that that happened. So I think that'd be
one of the things that you know, Dezantis needs to really highlight much more
is his success as a governor. Again, I still think it's just so
early until you see the folks on stage, like the way that Trump caught
fire in that first debate when no one you know, debates used to be
this like boring, very formal event, and he gets up there and just
punches everyone in the mouth. And folks love that. So you know,
when they all get up there and you actually see, you know, how
they interact and who wants it. And the last thing is, you know,
I think McCain's a great example. There's been so many of these come
from behind wins in primaries where the most important step it's almost like the hero's
journey is they have to lose everything, they have to strip down, they
have to be beaten, and then they have to crawl back from that.
That's the thing is, if you can come back from adversity, that's I
mean, that's the story of America. Well, and you can't run against
a former president of the United States without contrasting them versus you, right,
And I think you know, for the for the first six weeks of the
campaign, Ron Decantis, you know, only kind of sort of tangentially attacked
Donald Trump. And it's like, well, if you aren't going to take
the guy head on, you aren't gonna win because he had the job he
was president, right. No Trump voter is going to vote Trump light when
Trump is in right race. Right, And if you're it's just and if
key to your argument is I'm a winner. I just won Florida by twenty
points, that contrast only really works if you point out the fact that Donald
Trump lost to Joe Biden, right, And if you aren't comfortable doing that,
then just give up and go home, you know. And I think
over the last week, back to Holmes's point, is like he sort of
changed his rhetorical tact on this, and I think a way that is productive
for his campaign. Now. No consultant, indeed, see would have told
Ron de Santis to do that, because if you looked at every single poll,
you'd be like, oh, well, you know, you can't criticize
Donald Trump because these voters love him and they love what he accomplished when he's
president, and all of that may well be true, but if you intend
on beating him in a Republican primary, you have to create the contrast that
allows you to win. Otherwise, what are we doing here? Do you
think that Trump's gonna show? I mean, it's funny you mentioned that,
because this is actually why I think it's one of the reasons I really really
hope Trump does show at that debate, because he is entertaining. He doesn't
have anything to be afraid of. We all know what he can do in
a debate setting. But I really want to see him go toe to toe
with this new class of candidates. This is almost a completely different class of
Republican presidential candidates than we saw when Trump first ran in twenty sixteen. He's
getting a little older, he's got some some record to stick up for,
some record to be proud of, you know, and I think everybody should
get a chance to have their say. And just purely from a spectator perspective
here, I think Republican primary voters really want to see all of them in
the ring together, because even if you do like Trump, you have the
confidence that he's going to be able to come out on top. And also,
I feel like he has more upside than downside. I'm sure like consultants
are telling him, oh listen, you're up in the polls, don't rock
the boat. Let's just you know, stay on cruise control and let's get
this nomination. But if he shows up and it's like the line is still
running the jungle and just wallops everybody, I think there's a lot more consolidate
this and you can actually put it down. He could put it away if
he just shows up and just say and he already did that town hall on
c N. You know, I mean, like he can. He clearly
can hurt him. I think hurt him if he doesn't show up. Here's
like, I think there are two maxims in politics that I just have internalized.
The first is you can never take a vote for granted, regardless if
it's your column or not. People want you to earn their vote, regardless
of where they are, and they could be just totally enamored with your candidacy,
but if it ever feels like you're not really working for it, they
walk away pretty damn fast. The electorate is pretty dynamic in that regard,
and you, if you're Donald Trump, you do not want to give any
sliver of an inclination that you think this thing is over and you're mailing it
in. I mean, Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin. She didn't show them.
I mean, that's a perfect example, right, I mean, there's
just there's such a great example, it really is. And then the other,
the other maximum that I lived by that I think Duncan was getting to
is there's never been a Republican nominee for president ever that has run and won
the nomination off of somebody else's movement. Ever. It just doesn't happen.
You know. The closest you could say was George H. W. Bush
coming off of eight years of Ronald Reagan, but it wasn't because he reframed
everything with a thousand points of light and it was like a very different message
than Ronald Reagan had. People do not just sort of like fixate on one
thing that gave them their vote four ye years ago or eight years ago and
then apply it to other people. And that is the biggest mistake the consultants
in our line of work make is that they look at polls statically and they
say, well, seventy percent of people believe this. That's all that's true,
But it's also a very dynamic atmosphere. When you convince people to change,
you build a movement of your own, and that is actually what defines
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we've talked a lot of politics, yash, and you want to switch gears
and talk about radio a little bit. You guys have probably heard the story
about Don Geronimo. Yeah, yeah, Don Geronimo. So he's he's sixty
four. Charlotte McBride is thirty nine. So Don Geronimo is a radio he's
been a radio for a very very long time. And obviously you guys have
heard a little bit about this story. But he and his sidekick, I
think his name is Crash. I don't know his real name. I'm sure
his parents didn't name him Crash, but they were at the commander's training camp
and they said a few things about Charlotte not knowing I'm assuming they didn't really
know who she was, but since she is a very beautiful woman and she
does resemble Barbie, I mean, she has the look that kind of looks
like Barbie, he made some comments and he said I thought she was a
cheerleadery referred to or as being you know, Barbie, and they were both
fired for those comments. And Mak and I did a whole podcast on this
about a week ago, and we both disagree with it. I mean,
just wholeheartedly agree with the fact that both these guys were fired. I think
one of the reasons we agree with it is because we're of the generation where
we just don't get offended by much. But also, we both worked in
radio for you know, almost a decade, and we worked with all dudes,
and so we look at this and we're like, God, we could
have gotten all these guys fired too, said you know what I mean,
because because it was just a playful, fun, frat like environment that we
just we really enjoyed it because they were like all they were our brothers.
Was like working with a bunch of brothers. But also, I mean if
if you know, Mac said this in our podcast, because I don't look
a thing like Barbie, but she could probably pass more for Barbie. But
if some dude came up to her and said, you look like Barbie or
I thought you were a cheerleader, both of us would take that as a
compliment. Oh my god. I would be like falling all over myself with
glee. I wouldn't be like, this is the thing. And we're both
educated, you know, I feel like accomplished women, and I wouldn't be
like I just wouldn't be offended by that at all. But so many women
are offended by this stuff and the fact that they that she is okay with
this guy or both these guys getting fired from their jobs for this stuff.
Just people women are so okay with the cancel culture. I'm just curious.
You guys are younger than us, and so I'm just curious what your take
is on this whole debacle, all these shenanigans. Yeah. Well, I
mean, look, I think it's an indictment of our culture in a lot
of ways, and that we've become victims and everybody feels like the only recourse
they have is to be victimized by something. I'm not saying that this this
woman wasn't offended. She may very well have been offended. But I think
you know, in generations past in this country, when you're offended by something
like that, she's also an incredibly accomplished professional. And if you've got two
dudes out there saying something that's offending you, I think generations past, certainly
you two would have done this. You walk up to their radio show and
you intimidate the hell out of them. Yeah, the old geriatric bastards.
You don't know anything about what you're talking about, and it's nice of you
to appreciate something. We actually said that. Yeah, offend them right back,
right, right, right right, we said, we said we would
have challenged them to some sort of a you know, like a like a
banter duel exactly. It would have been something where we could have elevated our
show by going back and forth with those guys. It would have been like,
yeah, okay, well let's go back and forth with them for a
little bit. But yes, she just didn't do that. She did play
the victim, which makes all women look bad and we know they're just it's
like there's an absolute loss of forbearance and just trying to understand each other.
And you know, the first instinct in our society has now become, how
do I take away this person's livelihood if I feel they've wronged me? Like
the major reaction to just make sure someone will worry about how they're going to
pay rent or mortgage or feed their families the first action they've decided to take
and stuff maybe pulling them over and saying, you know, that was kind
of a jerk thing to say. That actually has more of an impact on
a person, I would say than you know, their reaction from losing their
livelihood becomes like, well, I hate this person now you know the problem
hasn't been solved. You've just made someone extremely bitter and hardened. And what
is it teach people about? Like basically the message that it sends that you
have no agency whatsoever, right, that you are just sort of walking this
earth, and anything that happens to you you can cry cry foul and the
imaginary referee comes in and lays penalties on the opposition. You imagine teaching your
kids that right, that life's not hard, that if somebody comes at you
and offends you or tries to do something to you to hurt your livelihood and
what you're trying to do for a living, and the only thing you can
do is throw up your hands and ask for somebody's you know, third party
intermediary to help you out. Granted, there are horrible stories that we've had
over the years of people actually being sexually harassed and actually you know, having
horrible workplaces that all of us completely agree need to be addressed immediately. But
this kind of thing is an offense. You're offended. If she was offended,
like you said, you probably wouldn't be offended. None of the women
in my life would have been offended by something like that. But I understand
that there's some people who would take offense to that. Some people would some
people would And the idea that she doesn't have any agency of her own to
address that, I think is a really shitty thing to tell young women who
are trying to be professionals, who are trying to get to a point where
they're that guy's boss, right, And if if someday in the next Don
Dronimo of thirty years from now, his boss looks a lot like Barbie instead
of whoever his boss is. Now, my sense is he probably has a
very different way of handling that kind of thing, and that's how you make
societal change. It's not bye just like blowing the whistle exactly exactly. So,
Fellas, if you could let our audience know more about this upcoming debate
night preview that you're doing. Yeah, it's a huge deal. I mean,
I still can't believe it's happening. It was incredibly generous. We had
Ron on our show and on the spot, she's like, well, why
don't you guys do like a game day pregame for the debate? So,
I mean, you know, if that's what she wanted, she may regret
it, but we're gonna deeply regret. I mean, for those of your
audience who aren't familiar college game days of famous ESPN show that they do before
college football games where they have a big desk in front of a crowd in
front of the stadium of the week, game of the week, we're big
SEC girls here. Yeah, yeah, so you know exactly. I mean
literally they camp out in SEC territory. But what this is is like a
first of its kind in politics, where you use the energy and the interest
in a younger generation to help amplify the event a little bit, and you
have some fun and it's not gonna be like four dudes up with like the
third tier surrogate of each campaign, like, well, what does the governor
need to do tonight? You know? I mean, we're going to be
having fun and we're gonna be telling jokes and we're gonna be doing a little
analysis, but more than anything, we're gonna try to get people really into
it. Yep, Yeah, it's gonna be It's it's the official pregame show
for the debate. There's gonna be a massive crowd behind us. Uh,
the logistics are getting financed, but it should really just be a massive party.
That's what the goal is. Celebrating that, like the time has come
to get rid of Joe Biden. It's gonna be great. And where is
it going to be live? Where are you guys going to be? So
it'll be on Rumble, we'll be we'll be right outside of the venue in
Milwaukee. So just just step steps from the front steps from the front door
going into the debate, and people who are going into the debate are going
to be behind us with signs and everything, and we'll be up. It
is going to be And I mean, there's so much stuffy coverage of politics,
and everybody is kind of like comes at this from a background of being
a nerd who was their lunch money was taken from them every day and they
lived in a locker in high school. And what we try, what we're
trying to do is bring this into normal people culture where it's like a little
bit more like the regular types. In your eyes, your discussion of politics
is all like a vindictive revenge on their childhood exactly exactly. And if if
you can you know what I was just going to say. We have been
talking about culture and just the bravo to the RNC for doing this, because
we've been talking about culture and politics literally for fourteen years since we started this,
and so the fact that they did this and they engaged you guys to
do this that night is just such a fantastic It's just a win for them,
it's a total win for us, it's a win for conservatism. So
bravo to them for doing this, and bravo to y'all's appreciate it. Thanks
for the kind words you guys have been a big part of that revolutionary change
and looking at politics and a little different, little lighter side were very necessary
change. Yeah, and it's just there's not a lot of us out there,
so it's nice. It's nice to stick together, absolutely and appreciate you
being on with us today. So looking forward to just continued appearances on each
other's programs because guys are a blast and that's all. It's always great to
talk to. Thank you so much.