WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.640 Hey, guys, it's Jack. I just wanted to talk to you today 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:06.639 about a way that you can help support the podcast. If you're not already, 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.480 we would really appreciate it if you guys went and reviewed us on Apple 4 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:15.080 or Spotify. Those reviews really help people find the podcast and help it get 5 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:18.519 recognized, and you know, if you've been enjoying the show, we really 6 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:23.640 appreciate your support. Another thing that you can do to support the channel is 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:28.600 to become a Patreon member. So we have Patreon memberships that started just five 8 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.479 dollars a month, and when you sign up, you get access to all 9 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:36.280 of our episodes add free. That's the big bonus for that. I mean, 10 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:41.399 we also do some Patreon bonus episodes for our subscribers, But this is 11 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:47.320 the biggest and best way that you can support the Teamhouse channel and podcast if 12 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:51.000 you'd like to, and we really appreciate that. So go and check us 13 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:56.520 out at patreon dot com slash the Teamhouse. Jack, We're delighted to have 14 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:02.079 you. I'm going to skip the intros today all together if you guys aren't 15 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.760 going to get too upset, except for Jack, who needs no introductions, 16 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:11.079 so you lose an introduction to Jack considered the compliment, but really the biggest 17 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.000 compliment. We've never said this to a guest. Notice us slavering up front, 18 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.920 but please tell us what is just stream the consciousness? Tell us what 19 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:27.959 is first and foremost on your mind right now? Why in the world I'm 20 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:34.680 awake. I knew that was coming in the morning on our Saturday talking to 21 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:40.040 you guys as much as I love you guys. Yeah, yeah, come 22 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.480 on, Jack, You're wasting time. I saw Jack like nine hours ago. 23 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.120 D That's why you are the mogul who runs this show. Now exactly 24 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.079 find now, Yeah, all right, listen before we start getting complaints from 25 00:01:55.079 --> 00:02:00.680 our listeners about wasting time. Yeah, Jack, So yeah, what aside 26 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:06.319 from that, and aside from all the other things that only trundle through your 27 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:08.680 mind at this time in the morning, That of youers definitely do not want 28 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:14.400 to hear about. What have you been writing about? Maybe I should. 29 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:21.400 Jack's an investigative journalist. Everyone while he's uh, he's warming up gathering stamp 30 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:27.400 here, you've you've been hiding under a rock and don't recognize him. And 31 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:38.000 I've written a lot of let's see the special the International Sniper Competition just came 32 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:43.599 to an end. Was writing about that third Group logo. Uh, well, 33 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:46.479 the third Group of logo I haven't written about actually, but but do 34 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.479 you want to talk about it pretty quick? Yeah? Yeah, we can 35 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.360 jump in as long as you want. But I'm intrigued. That's yes. 36 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:59.800 So there's another This says me, guiding the master in his stream of consciousness. 37 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:06.639 Okay, I'm like his yogi. So this whole thing started with twentieth 38 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:12.280 Group. Twentieth Special Forces Group published a picture and on the picture there's a 39 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.479 soldier wearing a patch on his helmet. And I'm going to stop you right 40 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.199 there, and I'm going to get complained about but I want to just reiterate 41 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.520 what Jack said. Twentieth Special Falces Group posted this picture, all right, 42 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:30.319 and took enough time to blur out the faces so they looked at it. 43 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:36.159 Yeah, and then when when you look at the patch that's on this soldier's 44 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:44.360 helmet, it is the the the icon, the the symbol or the patch 45 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:52.680 of I believe it's the third ss Panzer Division in the background now, and 46 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:57.080 and it had the original had a swastika in front of the palm tree. 47 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:02.199 This patch had that swastika removed and instead was the SS Death's head skull and 48 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:10.879 crossbones replaced on there. So either way, I mean the patch had you 49 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.639 know, Nazi iconography on it. There's been a lot of yeah, just 50 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:18.959 very quickly, there's been a lot of confusion about the reporting of this. 51 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:28.680 For it's worth the the the emblem itself is this is taken from I mean, 52 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:32.879 the skull itself is taken from the emblem of the third Panzer Division. 53 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.920 Everything they say a skull is a skull, now it's a particular it's the 54 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:41.920 angle, it's the expression. It was was unique to the third, says 55 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.000 Panther Division. Well, I said a big deal with the Third sets. 56 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.519 Panther Division was formed from guys who are in the S. S. Toton 57 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:53.879 Cult fair Band, which is one of three parts of the SS. The 58 00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:00.199 Total Cult fair Band guarded the concentration camps along with the Eisen Group, Ice 59 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:03.439 and Gray Icin Group. And someone's going to run in about but the squad. 60 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:09.839 So the guys who followed in trace of the forward units in Russia to 61 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:16.279 exterminate Partisans and Jews. So those those were the top topin Colfair Band and 62 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.480 the Icin Group were two parts two of the three parts of the SS third 63 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:29.240 part was off in SS anyway, this division committed multiple atrocities. It never 64 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.920 served in Africa, So I just want to be clarifying. It's actually what 65 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:38.319 has happened here is the combination of two emblems. One is the Africa Cores, 66 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.839 which had a swastika and the palm tree, and the other is the 67 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.920 third SS Panzer Division, which had just the skull and crossbones. So they've 68 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:54.360 taken both of those put them together. So yeah, that that that kind 69 00:05:54.360 --> 00:06:00.920 of blew up, and the Special Forces Command initiated and investtigation on it. 70 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.759 They've made, you know, public statements saying, you know, this isn't 71 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:08.120 aligned with what we're trying to do here, what our values are. We're 72 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:13.879 looking into it. And then in the meantime, you know, another somebody 73 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:19.079 else find finds a picture, posts a picture of another it's actually a sticker 74 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:24.879 on a door down at Fort Bragg or Fort Liberty now and it is yet 75 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:30.959 another third Special Forces Group team. And then I mean the ODA number is 76 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.519 on the sticker, so you know exactly where it came from. And it's 77 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:39.800 the same motif of the palm tree with the death's head on it. And 78 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.279 again it's not it's not just like the skull and crossbones from a pirate flag 79 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:48.399 or anything. It's very distinct that it comes from the sus And so as 80 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:53.160 I saw all of this this week, I actually went into my archives and 81 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:58.519 pulled up a picture that I posted on the internet, and it is a 82 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.120 picture of a third group team that I have in this entire team would where 83 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:09.399 it was the Death's Head the SS Death's Head uh in their version of the 84 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.759 emblem that they made has wings coming out of the skull and it says death 85 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:20.240 machine. And they wore that in Afghanistan, you know, all right, 86 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:26.759 and I'll I read these things and here's what goes through my mind. I 87 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.160 Ca'm thaying Devil's advocate here, and trust me, you know I've got I 88 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:36.160 mean, my my father's generation family was pretty much mipe down the second wall. 89 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:42.920 Yeah, I mean, so I have no reason to have anything in 90 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:48.879 common with people who eulogize Nazi memory Nazie emblems. But I but we went 91 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.759 through the same thing in the Marine Corps, right, here's my point with 92 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.480 Scout snipers and branding, and then you know, when we delve down, 93 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:01.639 we realized this wasn't ideological. It's just ignorance and idiocy and the sense of 94 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.800 hey, this you know, they had some vague notion that it was German 95 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.639 and but it but it wasn't that. These kids we were Nazis. Now, 96 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.720 don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we don't have an extremist problem. 97 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:16.399 We don't have extremists in the military. Course we do. But this 98 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.680 isn't an indicator of it. This is just an indicator of willfall ignorance, 99 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.680 especially in a special Operations group. Because we talk about being able to judge 100 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:31.000 our environment and and and and fit in. Well, how do you how 101 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.360 do you drag out, you know, a symbol like this and use it 102 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:39.159 without even looking into its background. That's what concerns me is the immaturity. 103 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.440 Yeah, who's the photo? And the idocy on the command level, you 104 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.559 know, I mean, what the fuck man? No, it's like put 105 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.200 it on your unit website. I get it, you guys are reservist. 106 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:56.879 But come on, yeah, I mean apparently that uh that that company that 107 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.639 that team belonged to. They all knew about it and everyone was fine with 108 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.399 it. And I have been told like, okay, but those guys weren't 109 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.759 racist. You know, they're not a Nazis. And maybe that's true, 110 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.600 maybe it's not. I have no idea because I don't know all the people 111 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.600 involved, and I can't you know, look inside their hearts and see what's 112 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:22.120 there. But I mean the question is, of course, if you're not 113 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:28.600 that, if you're not a Nazi, why are you trying to affiliate yourself 114 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.799 with it? And that's always the question, And like why can we not 115 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.039 if we're not Nazis, why can we not just completely dispense with the Nazi 116 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.360 insignia, just completely do away with it. We have plenty of our own 117 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:46.759 stuff that's cool, that's attached to American military history, that that soldiers can 118 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.000 wear. There's a lot of stuff you can wear that's not Nazi. Like 119 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:56.080 yeah, yeah, yeah, So sorry to interrupt, let me ask real 120 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.879 quick because I'm still trying to understand all this from what I read. This 121 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.440 first popped up in twenty twenty two, I think, and the command said, 122 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.039 hey, this is a no go. And then is this new? 123 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.000 Is this picture that's popped up again new and it's come back again or is 124 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:16.320 it somebody just dredged up an old picture? Well, this was The picture 125 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:22.879 was posted by twentieth Special Forces Group, so it wasn't a case of you 126 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.440 know, Jack Murphy dredging up the past. I didn't post the picture. 127 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.639 I had until this stuff all came out, and I was like, well, 128 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.080 it's kind of interesting. I know they the army posted the picture when 129 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.200 the picture was taken. I don't know. Yeah, I guess that's probably 130 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.639 going to be a part of their investigation, gotcha. Okay, So the 131 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.360 third Group spokesman said, hey, it's been taken out of context. Like 132 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.840 I saw that, and I was like, wait, what taken out of 133 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:54.799 what historical context? If you're going to reach that's what eighty years That's what 134 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.480 I always ask like when people say like it's it's we're taking it out of 135 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:05.080 context, It's like, okay, what is the context? Yeah? And 136 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.639 by the way, the context which has become so confused. Yes, it 137 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.519 was a bad, bad group of dudes. They did, but they never 138 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.799 went to Africa. You know the military. I think it's the Military Times. 139 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.279 Some military dot com reported that it was part of the Africa Corps. 140 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.200 It fought under Romeo. Yes, it did fight under Rommel, but in 141 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.200 Europe, all right, Romel in the in the Battle for France, and 142 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:33.200 yes, they did commit atrocities against Africans. They butchered the thousands of hundreds, 143 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.519 possibly thousands of Moroccan soldiers, but it was in France. But anyway, 144 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.639 yeah, that's a minor point. I My feeling is, there's nothing 145 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.840 to see here, all right here. My feeling is, yes, we 146 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:48.600 have things to see as we dig up what happened on sixth January and the 147 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:56.519 lamentable number of military personnel who involved in that. You know, there's of 148 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.720 course, as extremists in military. You guys know all this. What do 149 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:05.639 you expect when you take a cross section of the of American society who are 150 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.799 not among the most privileged. You know, we always say, even at 151 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.759 the height of our recruiting, we're not taking that. We're not getting the 152 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.200 top of the high school class. We're not getting the kids who are going 153 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.960 to go to college with athletic scholarships or academic scholarships. We're getting the guys 154 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.759 who are barely you know, her struggling. Eight seventy five percent of US 155 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.519 recruits come from one parent families, right as an example. That doesn't mean 156 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.080 they're bad families. I'm just saying this is the demographic. It's up to 157 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.919 the military to change the way they think. And the change the way they 158 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.120 think isn't giving them a Friday afternoon you know a class. And why extremism 159 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.120 is bad, it's learning. It's learning to face hardship and go through all 160 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.759 the shit that we have and depending to depend on the dude next to you 161 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.960 who doesn't look like you. That's what That's what undermines extremism and racism. 162 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.960 It's putting units through that type of tough training they don't have to go to 163 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.519 combat. And if we just focused on that instead of all these classes, 164 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.559 I think we'd be on the right path or chasing off the logos. You 165 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:16.879 know, hey, absolutely ban it and spank everyone involved being just stupid beyond 166 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:22.840 belief. But let's not make this an indicator of extremism because it's it's the 167 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:30.320 wrong trait. It's always the you know, difficult conversation I mean sometimes with 168 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.840 veterans but also with civilians to try to like parse out some of the nuances 169 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.519 that you know, you're right when you point out there there are studies that 170 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:45.960 have been done that show, you know, extremism amongst military or military veterans 171 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.399 is actually a little bit lower than baseline and pointing out that, you know, 172 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.799 the military isn't like an incubator for extremism or anything like that. But 173 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.279 then if you drill down into the statistics a little bit more, you will 174 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.080 find like some frightening numbers. You know, people who believe in the white 175 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:11.759 replacement theory, and what is that? Let me explain it. I'm just 176 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.639 kidding. Go ahead, go for go ahead, Jason, let us let 177 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.360 us know what you're doing to us. Yeah, what's your fucking plan? 178 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:24.480 Dude, I'll lose my car for this, But I'm just kidding. Let 179 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.039 me seriously though, So one of my andy what you were going back to 180 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.519 what you were saying, and I am going to predict that this is gonna 181 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:37.960 be Wait, what's the white replacement theory? No, go on called the 182 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:41.039 green replacement theory. But we should explain what it is, right if we 183 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.120 mentioned it, I don't want to mention it. I don't know exactly what 184 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:48.399 I've been meetings. I don't know. It's just like white supremacist conspiracy theory. 185 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.120 That's pretty prevalent, that, you know. I mean, I guess 186 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.440 the idea goes that we're opening up our southern border to let all of these 187 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:03.080 immigrants, illegal migrants into the and the idea is that they will demographically displace 188 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.960 white people and be a block, a voting block of leftists that will just 189 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.360 vote for communism Like oh oh right, yeah, the demographic the demographic shift 190 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:18.279 that's removing the base on the air that that time is not on that side. 191 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:26.879 So actually quite excited for that me too. Yeah. So yeah. 192 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.440 One of my my first going back to what Andy was saying about learning, 193 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.039 one of the one of my first roommates in the barracks when I was in 194 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.559 the Marine Corps was a kid I won't I won't say his name, but 195 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.320 probably about a week or so after we uh first moved into these new barracks, 196 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.840 he just pulled me aside. He's like, listen, man, I 197 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.960 just need to be honest with you about something. I was raised in a 198 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.159 clan family, you know kkk, and you know this is all really new 199 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.399 to me, he said. Between boot camp and this first did you tell 200 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:02.039 them it was new to you too? Yeah, exactly. Well, come 201 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:07.960 on, man, I'm from this Jersey short it's not rock. So we 202 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.080 just sat and talked about it. Yeah, it wasn't like some hallmark moment. 203 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.600 We just talked about and at the end of it, I was like, 204 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.559 listen, man, are you going to fucking shoot me in the back 205 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.279 when you know, when we're uh, you know, when we're out there. 206 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:19.919 He's like, no, said, are you going to have my back 207 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.279 when we're out there? He's like yeah. I was like, then I 208 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:23.679 don't give a fuck, And that's how it was, and we just we 209 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.200 got along. He never you know, he went on to do other things, 210 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.399 he moved out of the unit, and we never had a problem with 211 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.440 it. And I think, like you said, if we get away from 212 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.519 the whole, uh, you know, here's a everybody has to do a 213 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.320 stand down on a Friday afternoon and you know, just talk about it. 214 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:47.559 I think if people are able to bring their experiences to these things and say 215 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.039 this is what I learned from it, this is what happened, this is 216 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.480 what I learned from it, it will not necessarily work itself out. And 217 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:56.600 like you said, if the bullshit raises its head, whether it's a you 218 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.440 know, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, whatever it is, you 219 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.680 know, smack the ones who were the perpetrators and learn a lesson. Keep 220 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.960 it moving, you know, this once a year talking about it. Sh 221 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:12.559 It is just not gonna be. It's not enough. It kind of feels 222 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:18.000 like very hr like very corporate, like checking a box. Yeah, yeah, 223 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:19.960 that's exactly what it is, checking a box, and like none of 224 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:26.920 the information gets anyway, Like they literally will hold people's leave until they've gotten 225 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.920 this done. You know, they checked that box along like cybersecurity and all 226 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.720 the other ship. So it's this is it's usual approach as a you know, 227 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:40.759 as a zero three, zero four hundred hours Zulu or racism will land. 228 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:48.319 Yeah in this unit. Well it's also the classic like this afghan an 229 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.200 an a unit is going from amber to green. You know, it's like 230 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:56.880 very it's a very army thing. Oh and then we're back to then we're 231 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.160 back to red again. How did this happen? Yea new Kimmanda. Yeah, 232 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.799 and I'm sure we're going to get smacked on clickbait And you know why 233 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.319 are we being woke with all this? Well, it's it's something that needs 234 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:11.200 to check. You know. I hate to be that person that talks to 235 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.519 the people in the comments, but you need to get over it. This 236 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.440 is real, it happened. It needs to be talked about so you don't 237 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.759 like it, Oh, well go you know, go follow somebody else. 238 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.240 Yeah, I don't know, Jack was no, go ahead. I was 239 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.480 saying that, I know, we took you down that path, and then 240 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.119 I feel bad. Now maybe you didn't want to go down that path. 241 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:37.000 But it was very interesting. Nevertheless, not well, you know, I 242 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:42.640 mean, I mean the symbology, the lack of historical context, the fact 243 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:48.960 that we really do have to understand that that Americans don't learn about history in 244 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.160 high school or anything, and so for the most part, and but that 245 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.640 there is you know, there is an issue, and we address it, 246 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.880 and that's you know, not such make such a big deal of it. 247 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:06.799 M hm yeah, Well we'll see what happens. Yeah, I mean, 248 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:11.079 as you guys maybe implied a little bit. My guess is nothing happens funny. 249 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a big stole in a 250 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:18.920 tea cup. And then I think time when whoever is doing the fucking photo 251 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.200 shot, maybe pick other skulls. There's a plethora of them out there. 252 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:27.519 All right, Yeah, what what next? Well, I mean, have 253 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:32.359 vana syndrome is coming back, and I know Jack's it's a it's pretty nascent 254 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.359 anyway, like you're still working on it, but we start Uh yeah, 255 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:41.480 We've got our own personal interests with Mark Mark p who he has Moscow syndrome. 256 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:48.359 But it's very very similar to habana. Yeah, incidents is the term 257 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.359 we're using. Now. What is that? Anomalous health incidents? I believe 258 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:59.640 is the acronym AH. But I uh yeah, I'm back on this story 259 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:06.440 or researching it, interviewing people, talking to scientists and doctors and people who 260 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:14.440 are very smart, and hopefully a story comes out of it. I've I 261 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.640 mean, I think there's enough there. I've also been talking to some of 262 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:23.400 the victims, people who are hit with something an anomalous health incident, and 263 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.640 I'm I do believe, you know, I guess like you know, not 264 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.720 to bury the lead. I mean, I believe that some of these people 265 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:37.799 were indeed hit with some sort of a microwave weapon. And it's just again, 266 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.279 it's another one of these stories where you have to drill down into the 267 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.839 nuances and you have to look at the data, look at the scientific studies 268 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:52.960 that have been done on the victims, and some of these people have very 269 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:59.920 odd abnormalities that the in the in the MRI machine shows some of those abnormalities 270 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.759 I'll have to write about more in depth. So I don't know. It's 271 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.279 it's it's an interesting subject. It's a very complicated subject to pick through. 272 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:14.720 So yeah, poor one, do we have Do we have any numbers and 273 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:18.240 any idea of how many people have been affected with this? I mean, 274 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.960 somewhere between two hundred and a thousand. I haven't I haven't seen anything solid. 275 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.079 I think there are probably two. I think there's like maybe two hundred 276 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.000 and twenty like people who are sort of like on the books, so to 277 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.519 speak, in the as far as the government's concerned. But I mean, 278 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.400 at a certain point this story, you know, the victims, the list 279 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:44.160 expands and gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And I really don't want to 280 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.039 be dismissive of anyone, certainly not out of hand, but you do start 281 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:55.559 to wonder, are all of these people really being blasted with something? And 282 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.960 it's a question of picking through all that. It's like a thing, right, 283 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.640 Yeah, Because I happened to and I call it accidentally fall into X. 284 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:10.720 I don't know how, And I was reading some of the comments about 285 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:15.160 it, and I guess sixty minutes is coming out with this story story about 286 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.519 you know, revealing some information or whatever. But I was reading some of 287 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.799 the comments, and a big majority of them, we're saying things that never 288 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.880 happened for one thousand dollars and you know, just saying it never happened. 289 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:29.880 You know, it's a bunch of crap. And I don't know a whole 290 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:33.400 lot about it, But I was just curious if it was like ten people, 291 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:38.240 you know, or I'm assuming that all of these people probably share in 292 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:44.279 common locations, you know, like Cuba, Moscow, stuff like that, 293 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:45.759 or is it spread out all over the girl. I don't want you to 294 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.319 tell too much of your information, your gather. Here's here's like a little 295 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.359 like anecdote, and there's many, there's many anecdotes that could be shared. 296 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:03.039 But when people first started getting hit in Havana, there are three CIA agency 297 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.160 personnel down there. All three of them get hit and get sent back home. 298 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:14.799 Then they send another three guys to replace them on tdy people who have 299 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:19.000 no they have no idea why the previous crew was sent back home, all 300 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.799 three of them. That scene in the Big Red Onne, all of those 301 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.240 three, the three replacements, get hit, they send them back home. 302 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:33.200 They send another three TD wires down there and they get hit. And now 303 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.039 by by this point you have State Department people who have also been hit down 304 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.480 there, you have Canadians who have been hit. So the idea that this 305 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:47.680 is some sort of like mass hallucination, like it's just this like psychosomatic shared 306 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.000 hallucination that people are having is I think ludicrous and I don't think it's supported 307 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:57.720 by the science or the data. And because especially when you consider that some 308 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.240 of this was in the blind. I mean, these people had no idea 309 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:04.039 what Havana syndrome was. It's not like they were all talking to each other 310 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.079 comparing notes. You could make that argument today, but at that time, 311 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:15.839 no, And so people started coming down being afflicted with these very similar symptoms. 312 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:22.799 And and again when some of those early Havana victims were looked at under 313 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:34.200 functional magnetic resonance imagery, the findings do show a difference between them and other 314 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:38.079 people who have traumatic brain injuries, Like if you were to look at baseline 315 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:47.680 TBIs, their brains are different. Something different happened there. So, yeah, 316 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.519 it's it's a lot to it's a lot to pick through. Yeah, 317 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:53.000 cool, cool, and we go ahead, Andy, No, no, 318 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.319 no going now, I was gonna say, and again without you giving away 319 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:00.359 too much of what you're writing about. Do we have a suspect here? 320 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.880 I keep seeing China? But I mean, do we have any proof of 321 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.720 anything? You know? Well, I can say I don't have any proof. 322 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:15.920 I think the United States government has actually quite a bit on this. 323 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:22.960 On this topic, pretty much everyone is pointing the finger at Russia. But 324 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.839 do have I seen proof of that? Have I do I know proof positive 325 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.960 that that the Russians were behind it? I don't. I couldn't. I 326 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:36.759 couldn't. I couldn't show you. But yeah, I don't. I don't 327 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.640 want to go too deep into it. But I do know the United States 328 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:45.839 government and especially D O D and like the Jaysak guys actually, to their 329 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:51.599 credit, took this issue very seriously and like kind of leaned into it, 330 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.200 like, hey, let's fix the glitch, let's fix the problem. How 331 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.240 do we defend against this? Whereas the CIA was burying their head in the 332 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.480 sand and just in denial as it's got worse worse, and giving people settlements 333 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:07.279 but also denying it. Well, they gave a few people settlements to you 334 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.039 know, almost it feels like hush money almost, But I mean, I 335 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.240 know other people who believe they've been hit with whatever this is, they've experienced 336 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:21.079 an anomalous health incident, and they're like, what are people talking about these 337 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:26.039 settlements? Like we haven't even begin given like a number to call to even 338 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.400 like go like start this process. So I think that it's been very selective 339 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:37.240 in who they've kind of tried to help. Yeah, it intrigues me when 340 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:45.640 you said directed energy weapon? Can you be can you be specific about it? 341 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.039 I know, you know, mock mock pee walked about a little bit 342 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:56.240 speculation. I can't be specific until really because we haven't captured a device. 343 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.680 As far as I know, it won't happen, But I mean, can 344 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:08.119 you can you I don't mean the capability a little bit. So microwaves in 345 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.519 the way I'm I'm kind of throwing around that term is a bit unscientific. 346 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:19.319 Microwaves can encompass a broad band of different types of waves that can be beamed 347 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:25.319 from a emitter. It could be a single point emitter, Uh, it 348 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:30.640 could be two. There's one theory that it's two emitters and then they cross, 349 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.160 they cross, and they get the victim and the cross beam from the 350 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:41.160 anecdotal you know victim statements. It seems like the device is able to target 351 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:47.400 like an entire room or rooms in a in a residence. So like one 352 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.640 guy was telling me about how it hit me in my living room. It 353 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.960 was really bad. I went into my bedroom and I tried to like walk 354 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:59.440 it off and pretend it wasn't hurting me. That's the thing, isn't it. 355 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.319 The victim can point to, at least for the most part, a 356 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.480 point in time when they when they felt suddenly felt something absolutely yeah. And 357 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:14.079 so it's not like Legionaire's disease where it comes up later. You know, 358 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:19.799 they all had that one thing and come and it's like I suddenly felt when 359 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.960 when this particular guy left, who's in his living room, in his bedroom, 360 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.440 he was getting hit. When he walked into his kitchen, he started 361 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.400 to feel better, Like the kind of the pressure was relieved that he was 362 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:41.440 feeling. There's jeez, you get me talking about this stuff, Andy. 363 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:47.400 So I think it's interesting interesting thing. The other interesting thing I think is 364 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:55.480 that the United States has this technology. That's that's that's what, and that's 365 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.599 what why. It's a little frustrating for the CIA to pretend like or I 366 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:04.519 should say the headshed the seventh for or anyway you know DST the Director of 367 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:10.200 Science and Technology, I'm told in their in their classified assessment, they assessed 368 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:14.759 that there was some sort of microwave beam weapon used on some of these people, 369 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:21.720 but the seventh floor didn't want to hear that. And it's frustrating for 370 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:26.680 a lot of people that the CIA still pretends that they don't understand what this 371 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:33.079 is or what's happening when we have the exact same technology. We have small 372 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:40.200 man portable microwave beam weapons. Now I have no I have not been able 373 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:45.079 to find any accounts of them ever being deployed and used operationally. Uh, 374 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:51.279 for a military personnel to turn that device on, it requires very high levels 375 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.720 of approval and authorization, like up to n S a level, if not 376 00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:00.559 beyond even even to think about turning that thing on. But the point is 377 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.000 we do have it. They can fire it in a three to five second 378 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.519 burst, and the idea behind it is that you can use it to blow 379 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.440 some people out of a safe house. You know, if you've got some 380 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.480 drying risk, you can hit them with this thing. It makes them very 381 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.400 very uncomfortable. You'll have a headache that sort of thing, and it'll get 382 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.480 the guy up and moving around, hopefully out of his safe house, get 383 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.319 him on his cell phone, making phone calls. It's a way to uh 384 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:36.880 coerce the types of behaviors that we might want to see at certain points. 385 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.759 So we have this technology. It's not it's not like some exotic novel technology 386 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:48.839 that is like this mystery. What is a mystery though, is we've never 387 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:53.359 and because we have medical ethics a lot in America, we've obviously never tested 388 00:30:53.359 --> 00:31:00.920 this device on human beings. So there are questions about what type of beam 389 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:08.200 you hit people with that replicates the symptoms and in the data that the Havanah 390 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.400 victims have. Because we don't know exactly how these waves impact the human body, 391 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.440 we know that it's different than other traumatic brain injuries. We know that 392 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.640 you know, a normal microwave will you know, kind of give you a 393 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:26.319 sunburn. But this is something different. It's they're they're getting through the skull 394 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.880 and into the gray matter in your brain, and that takes a different type 395 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.720 of calibration. And again I'm not explaining that quite well because I'm not a 396 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:41.319 scientist. My point is that it's just a different type of microwave that it 397 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:47.400 is being tuned in a way to create that impact in human beings. And 398 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:53.039 we're still trying to study the victims and study microwaves to try to understand you 399 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.240 know how you know a person, you know, essentially a person's brain is 400 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:04.920 cooked from the inside out. It's I mean, it's potentially an an extraordinarily 401 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.920 useful weapon. You know, it's uh, in the end, it's still 402 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:15.799 I'm not I'm not minimizing what happened to the Havana syndrome victims, but for 403 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.759 the sake of argument, you know, it's a non lethal weapon, and, 404 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:27.279 as Jack points out, with effects that are perhaps more useful and diverse 405 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.720 than kinetic weapons. So and and potential use by the way, encountering swarms 406 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:37.440 of drones I had. I had an old school guy, he was chief 407 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:42.160 of station in Moscow, and he was telling me that, you know, 408 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.799 the interesting thing about the Russians isn't that they have They're not beating us in 409 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.359 like the tech race or anything like that. They don't have any technology that 410 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.279 we don't have, But they think about technology and they think about ways to 411 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.680 use it that we would never consider. Yeah, that's just an interesting like 412 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:04.000 little cultural I'll give you a great example of that. And that's a great 413 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.960 point, Jack, I think it's very well put. At the outset of 414 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:14.400 the war in Ukraine, the Russians, the Ukrainians started getting a high number 415 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:22.720 of percentage of soldiers with laser burned eyes right blinded. And two things, 416 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.240 Okay, resulting from this. One was soldiers can deal with fear of general 417 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.680 fear of death or wounding, but when they know there's a specific fear of 418 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.000 being blinded and they've seen people happen, it's a terrifying I mean, you 419 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.799 can imagine that, and they don't know where it comes from. Well, 420 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:45.759 Russians were using laser designators as a reconnaissance by fire, you know, as 421 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.799 they came to an area, they were just lays everything very likely op and 422 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.960 they were blinding guys, you know, blinding initially reconnaissance units and then soldiers 423 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:59.920 and the Ukrainians had to go into fast production mode on laser's safegggles that they 424 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.119 pushed out to all of this. This was this was in the first few 425 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.480 weeks in the wars, as the Russians were approaching Kiev. Never made the 426 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:12.760 news, but but you know, I was I'm not saying I was there, 427 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.400 you know, but but I was there and and watching them, you 428 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:21.199 know, react and then think through and adapt in an extraordinary short period of 429 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.639 time to counter this. So yeah, great example of what you were talking 430 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:29.239 about, not new technology, but being used in a way which, by 431 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:34.320 the way, we couldn't use it, but the Russians can always escape by 432 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.840 saying, you know, hey, we were designating targets and it's not off. 433 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.719 Older people got in the way. Yeah. So then that begs the 434 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.880 question, as far as you know, if this is being used seemingly exclusively 435 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.639 against intelligence officers, how do you counter it? I mean, the operations 436 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.440 still have to go on, you know, intel somethings that we collected. 437 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.519 What do people go out wearing the the literal tinfoil caps, you know, 438 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.519 like, how do we count well it's uh what do you mention that? 439 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:06.480 Uh? So, Jack hats one right here there there there is uh there. 440 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.840 I don't know how far along we are and developing countermeasures. I can 441 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:16.000 tell you some like initial conversations I've had with people. There's one idea is 442 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.000 that you know, we should have sensors that we can give to our people 443 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.480 overseas that they can put inside their residence and it'll warn them. At least 444 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:30.559 you'll have some sort of a warning that something is happening. I spoke to 445 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:36.400 one person who is an expert in his field, and he believes that we 446 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:42.599 can design clothing, windows, drapes, things like that that will actually block 447 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.400 these beams. He thinks it's possible. It would take it takes some really 448 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:52.760 high end technology to do it, and it's not cheap, but there are 449 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.920 ways to develop countermeasures. And the other, the not high tech option to 450 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:01.280 to your question, Jason, of course, is retalitly right if there if 451 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.639 you know it's that that that scene, uh uh. Sean Connery says, 452 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:07.920 you know they put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of 453 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:15.239 theirs in the morning. Yeah, so I and I think that's that may 454 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:21.960 be actually the reason why the CIA has kind of tried to bury this because 455 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.239 they may not want to get into a global tit for tat with the Russians 456 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:31.599 where we're disappearing people. Yeah, that's a little speculative, but I just 457 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.840 have to imagine. I mean, if this was real, Okay, if 458 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:44.119 if the Russians were blasting American government personnel with microwaves, the president could quite 459 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:51.519 clearly sign a covert finding because it'll be ruled uh in it's in self defense 460 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.159 and it's directly related to US national security, and so he could sign a 461 00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:01.039 lethal finding for something like this, like no questions asked. I'm not a 462 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.920 lawyer, but I mean, as far as how I understand how wall works, 463 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.960 they could do it. That's really an interesting theory. And I think 464 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:14.920 this there's some substance to a jack that it's a attribution puts you in a 465 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.800 corner. I mean explicit attribution. Now, I mean it was the same 466 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.679 thing, Yeah, you're gonna do it. The drone that that hit Talent 467 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:29.480 twenty two, you know, I mean obviously an Iranian drone and and yet 468 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.079 it we don't and obviously we know it, but we just and they know 469 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.039 it that we know it. But yeah, yeah, it's just it's rules 470 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.760 of the game, you know, you know exactly exactly. It's like this 471 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.199 funny thing like you know, we talked about, you know, sabotage operations 472 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.239 in Russia and you know, the Russians kind of like shrug it off like 473 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.679 whatever, you know. And then I mean another example, of course, 474 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.840 is the nord Stream pipeline bombing. I mean, we still don't know what 475 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.480 the fuck really happened there, but it blew up and like very quickly, 476 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:05.199 the governments of like Denmark and Sweden were like, yeah, we're done investigating, 477 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:10.480 like inconclusive, inconclusive, And it's just it's just very funny how we 478 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.440 we ignore things we don't want to address much like it's child evidently it just 479 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.039 didn't react well to cold weather. We just didn't think about this because we 480 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.719 don't because we don't we don't want to go down these you know, both 481 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.079 US and the Russians don't necessarily want to go down all these rabbit holes and 482 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.079 get into a sort of tit for tat, be it diplomatic or you know, 483 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:35.440 maybe lethal. So yeah, it's very funny how we we kind of 484 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.719 act like, you know, it's like, you know, a little kid 485 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.199 coming downstairs and you know, their mom's like, did you clean your room? 486 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.639 And the kid is like, yeah, I did, and the parent 487 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:46.079 just doesn't want to know if they cleaned it or not. You know, 488 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:51.159 you don't want to go upstairs and actually inspect. It's just a very funny 489 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.760 sort of dynamic we are. We we've typically in the past just not being 490 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.960 subtle enough to play by rules of the game. But I think, you 491 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.159 know, we are getting there. I think Syria taught us a lot. 492 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.920 I think it was fortunate that we had mainly a soft footprint in Syria, 493 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.079 and so we had to, you know, we had guys who attuned to 494 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:17.599 that to learn how to coexist in the same area with Russian forces. I'm 495 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.880 not saying get along. Obviously, know when to draw the line and spank 496 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.159 them. But in between that, how to you know, continue steady state 497 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.400 and where it really where it really comes to the for is in the Middle 498 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.360 East, right, you know what I mean with Israel. Israel has bolla 499 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.599 Iran. They're all you know, Israel will kill Iranians, but outside Iran 500 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.840 for the most part until recently, until recently when they blew up, well, 501 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:51.079 someone blew up gas pipelines in Iran. And by the way, there's 502 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:58.960 behind the scenes there is an extraordinary cyber war taking place with pro Israel proxies 503 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:06.719 doing significant things to Iranian infrastructure and what made them use with gas pipelines, 504 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.679 But that wasn't I don't think that was a cyber attack. But anyway, 505 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:15.559 rules of the game, Yeah, subtle understanding them, When do you need 506 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:21.960 to tear to them? And when to break them? Geopolitics one on one, 507 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:30.400 Yeah, I think the second and third order effects of this whole I 508 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.599 keep saying Havana syndrome thing because I don't remember the other thing you said is 509 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.880 when we know, yeah, when we do come up if and when we 510 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.840 do come up with a countermeasure to it or defense against it. Now, 511 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.760 how then does that affect again intelligence or military operations? Because it's like, 512 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.480 if it's expensive, as you say, to do it, who do we 513 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.960 give it to? And does that now point them out? As an intelligence 514 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.360 officer? It's like, hey, this guy or girl coming into this country 515 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.440 is State department, but we know that they just gave them this special type 516 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.760 of window in their plays, this you know, special type of whatever it 517 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.360 is. So how does that affect those sorts of things? I mean, 518 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:13.239 it's it sounds, it sounds asinine, But I think there's also thoughts behind 519 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.039 the scenes. Do we want to develop a countermeasure to a technology that we 520 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.960 also have have? Do we want to dump millions and millions of dollars into 521 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:27.199 developing a countermeasure that once our enemies know it exists, they're going to develop 522 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.559 that countermeasure as well. So yeah, it's convoluted man, Yeah, definitely, 523 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:39.159 definitely cool. We will stay tuned to the high Side. Sean Nayler 524 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:45.320 paid me to mention that I am told that your ratings shut up, Jack, 525 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.480 please say yes after our last episode of Aazona when you were a guest, 526 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.400 but we had astonishingly high number of views because your picture it was on 527 00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.679 the front. But anyway, they will, Sean, you will. Sean 528 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.679 very kindly mentioned that subscription rates for The high Side went up after that episode, 529 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.360 which is good because you should all subscribe to the high Side. Absolutely. 530 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.480 Yeah, my free subscription. Yeah, my my. When I finished 531 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:20.440 writing this story about Havanna, it'll be on the high Side and a few 532 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:25.599 other big projects that Sean and I are working on. Awesome, I I'd 533 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.599 like to d do we We've got a few minutes, right, We've got 534 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.760 Jack, Jack's I'll be here all day if we need him. Oh you 535 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:39.960 know I won't because I'm going up Wait wait, no one contradicts on the 536 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:46.239 ship Chack. What else? So first of all, as our guest is, 537 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:50.679 I mean, I've got a couple of questions for you that but before 538 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.239 we get to kind of rummaging around in the garbage. Do you have what 539 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.639 what do you want to talk about on a more cerebral level, because invaribly 540 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.880 whatever comes out of your mouth is cerebral. With the exception of that one 541 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.159 Friday night in uh where was it down by the river in Alexander? I 542 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.880 Dug brets go on what came out that night? It is maybe way too 543 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.599 early in the morning for me to have cerebral thoughts about anything. Okay, 544 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.480 yeah, what do you want to I mean, is there anything anything that's 545 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.880 that's a burning topic that you think are the the more sophisticated eyes on listeners 546 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:36.519 would would appreciate more sophisticated as opposed to the team house. Mm no, 547 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.920 I mean, that's That's about the gist of it. You know, I've 548 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.719 got a question for you. I don't know. I've got a question for 549 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:46.119 you. I don't know. And this isn't me delving into pruri and garbage, 550 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:52.159 but I am. I'm intrigued about what exactly happened with the first group 551 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.119 commander form of first group commander. And I'll tell you why, Jack, 552 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.079 because uh, for a while, that whole case, you know, you 553 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:07.719 know, the one I mean became within the soft community. It was and 554 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.599 I may be at a date here, but it was portrayed as being, 555 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.880 hey, here's what happens when TBI and PTSD is left, you know, 556 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.480 untreated. And this guy had an exemplary record, and then he suddenly went 557 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.760 off the rails and then troubling comments started coming out. And it concerns me 558 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.159 when these things happened, because I hate for all the fact that because it 559 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:35.360 may have happened badly, you know, in one case, that everyone is 560 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.480 painted with that same brush. I worded that very badly, but you know 561 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.119 what I mean over to you, But there are still people who eulogize this 562 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.039 person and say that it was a case of PTSD that you know, well, 563 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:51.000 that was certainly his story. And I mean the person we're talking about 564 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.000 held his family hostage, barricaded inside the house. Yeah, do you want 565 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.280 to just give a quick synopsis of the story. I'm sorry that I jumped 566 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.079 into it. Yeah, it was this is going back a few years, 567 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:06.400 but it was Owen Ray and he was the yeah, the commander of first 568 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.760 Special Forces Group, and then he went on to he was a guy who 569 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:15.400 carried the nuclear football for Obama, for a little while and then his u 570 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.599 he went on to he was like a chief of staff at I Corps. 571 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.920 I believe this is going back a few years something my memory. He wait 572 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:32.000 when you read his career, you know in Apocalypse Now when Willard Captain Willard 573 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.960 is you guys seen Apocalypse Now? Right? Who has not seen that? 574 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:40.079 Anyway? Captain Willard's going through Kurtz's file and he's like it was perfect, 575 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.960 maybe too perfect, and it's almost like Owen Ray's record, right, yeah, 576 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:52.000 yeah, and you know then yeah, he has this this moment where 577 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:58.719 he holds his family hostage and has an armed standoff with the police and which 578 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.800 will affect feel Security arents and in the in the aftermath of all this, 579 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.559 you know, yes, he he tried to blame it on untreated PTSD and 580 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:13.119 TBIs and and make it, you know, a soldier's story about and I 581 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.800 mean there's a there's a little bit of a in my opinion, there's a 582 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.440 little bit of narcissism involved in. You know, you're still going through like 583 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:25.280 your court trial here, and you're already out front trying to like, you 584 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:30.079 know, spin this story and kind of weave your memoir about a soldier's return 585 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:35.119 home. It's like, you're not quite there yet, and I think he 586 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.159 uh as I again, as I recall, I believe he did catch a 587 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:45.440 conviction in civilian courts and and do some jail time. Yeah, uh we 588 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:51.719 I mean we've had our own cases like this, senior senior offices. It 589 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:57.480 particularly upsets me when senior offices claim that they have PTSD. Uh and then 590 00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.960 you delve into the records and you think, where the hell did they get 591 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:05.760 PTSD. You know, it's we had our own case, a guy named 592 00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:10.840 Shane Tompkom. Actually, you know, we had more than one very similar 593 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.280 case. It wasn't holding hostage, but he did criminal stuff and is now 594 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.719 in jail in Norfolk for, among other things, sexual abuse of the minor. 595 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.840 But he made colonel in the United States Marine Corps and was the same 596 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.039 sort of career. You know, he did time at Jaysark and everyone's like, 597 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.400 oh my god, poor dude. No, he was a fucking criminal 598 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.559 who masqueraded as a marine officer and made colonel. You know, I mean 599 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:43.159 not just not just did okay, but vaultage in the head. So you 600 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.599 know, when we talk about extremism and patches, I think our bigger concern 601 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.199 is how we screen officers. Frankly, I mean we have had I mean 602 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.880 you just look at the papers across the board. I mean we have had 603 00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:01.880 a lot of reliefs for things that just shouldn't have shouldn't have happened. And 604 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:07.320 also the best of the best, those are guys who get slated for command, 605 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.159 you know. I mean, it's there is something fundamentally wrong. And 606 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:17.360 I throw this out for comments for the listeners obviously, but I can say, 607 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.400 you know, last time I said he most officers are not warriors. 608 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.480 I think that's necessary. The United States military is a big bureaucracy, and 609 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:32.840 I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with officers who developed this persona that 610 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.599 everyone eulogizes, you know, short hair, big you know, big guy. 611 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.280 I don't like big guys anyway, good looking, you know, deep 612 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.159 voice, and they will go far in the military, all right, especially 613 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:52.599 if they're physically fit. They will make lieutenant colonel, and and they build 614 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.280 up this this iconic hey man, he's a warrior. Yeah, he's a 615 00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.960 meeting owner the persona. Oh god, and then it's impossible it's not. 616 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:05.440 But then everyone's like shocked. I mean, we could real often name off 617 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.239 the name to include many general officers who developed the sun god syndrome and do 618 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.480 stuff that is really fucked up. Well, people, you're right, people 619 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.960 are are shocked when these folks come unwound. But a lot of that is 620 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.679 is also there's like a lot didn't just happen because if you didn't wind back 621 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.119 the clock. There's a lot of warning signs with a lot of these guys. 622 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:31.840 And the military is the Army has tried to put some rail guards in 623 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:36.199 place recently. You know the screening they do for you know, to see 624 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:39.480 if someone is a toxic leader. Yeah, but that's that's screening. By 625 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.239 the time that screening for commanda, I mean, if they're a toxic leader, 626 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.639 they shouldn't be a fucking officer. They shouldn't have made it. Yeah, 627 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:52.840 I know, I mean, you're still leading people. But let's wait 628 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.639 till that lieutenant colonel. Then we're really going to screen them out. Like 629 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.400 the dudes to a psychopaths. It's okay, don't get take don't worry about 630 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.119 it. Man, let him into o c S. By the time they 631 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:09.239 reach five, we'll get them out. It's funny, lots of even to 632 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:15.280 see that that board that screens for toxic leaders. You see senior officers trying 633 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:21.840 to intervene because they're the sea daddy. You know, they got their boys 634 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.199 out there, their mentees that they're you know, this guy fits the mold. 635 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.159 This is he has the persona that the senior guy likes, that wants 636 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:35.320 to promote up the ranks. And uh, but the the you know, 637 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.000 the board convening on toxic leaders to say no, not this guy. And 638 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.000 you see the officers trying to intervene in the board and find ways to subvert 639 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:49.079 it. I mean, yeah, actual board that would that would never in 640 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.360 the marine calls, right never. So there really is a board, yeah, 641 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.920 for for I believe it's for people who are taking a battalion command. 642 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:01.760 And yeah, there is. There is a process like decap or something. 643 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.199 Again, I'm sorry, it's so early in the morning, I can't remember 644 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.800 the acrony. Yeah, it's a significant process. They brought it in a 645 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:14.800 couple of years ago. And so when you are eligible for battalion command, 646 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.280 you go through you know, they'll take your whole coport and and it's like 647 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.800 I didn't know, it's like us. I mean, I haven't been through 648 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:24.639 it, but when you read what they do, you know, it's they 649 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:30.079 do a PFT, they do interviews, they do a three sixty you know, 650 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.320 they there's a three sixty assessment done off them to that point, and 651 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.559 then they get peer ee valves done. As they go through this, they 652 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:43.119 do the leadership reaction courses that we did at OCS. You know, we 653 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:49.119 have to get across a crevass, a fake crevass, you know, with 654 00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.800 a plank and two pieces of rope and five idiots, you know, all 655 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:58.519 of this stuff. I mean, it just seems bizarre that and it isn't 656 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.239 because the Army is doing it say the same thing regardless of service. But 657 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:07.000 it's just that we're testing people for leadership when they get to that stage, 658 00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.840 because what is wrong. We're judging them on their on their records, on 659 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:16.760 their performance reviews well, because the performance review system is broken and it's too 660 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.239 inflated. So it it's that, don't bring in this ridiculous you know, 661 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.199 Uh, hey, we've got to make up all the ship screening we haven't 662 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.840 done to this point three days because I don't understand where the toxic leadership would 663 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.119 come out in any of those things, like maybe in an interview, like 664 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.840 if you ask them a scenario question, probly like you know what kill them 665 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.119 all? But blieve me if you if you are on time limit and some 666 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.159 idiot drops the you know, the the package you're supposed to be carrying across 667 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.159 that crevass at the last minute, people revert to their true nature. But 668 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:57.920 you know what I know, But people revert to their true nature. They 669 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.519 should have done. They should have They've had all of company command to evaluate 670 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.239 these people in I think command. Why are they waiting until lieutenant colonel to 671 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:12.400 give them this weird board? I guess My one My question is is like 672 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.760 do they know they're being screened for toxic leadership? Because if they do, 673 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.360 why would they show that during the screening? They're going to put on their 674 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:24.039 best face so that they already said they go. I believe, Again I'm 675 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.960 not totally schooled up on the whole process, but I believe they go in 676 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:34.760 the interview like your subordinates and people like that, gotcha? Okay, all 677 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.239 right. I'm a big believer in three point sixty evaluation. I think that's 678 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:46.199 one way potentially that we prevent the natural progression towards inflation and performance reports. 679 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.000 I am, Yes, of course. You know. The counter argument is, 680 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.280 hey, you're going to get leaders who cater to popularity. No, 681 00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:00.400 a guy who's a decent leader isn't going to do that. And marine and 682 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:05.280 even soldiers can tell when an officer is simply you know, catering to them 683 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.599 or trying to suck up to them, and they despise that. They would 684 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.920 rather have an asshole who was incompetent. I mean an asshole who was competent, 685 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.920 you know, who was going to keep them alive even though he was 686 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.639 an asshole, than someone who was trying to be popular. So I think 687 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.920 three sixty is a good way of doing it. I'm not throwing the baby 688 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.760 out with the bath water. There were some really good tools that they brought 689 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.840 in during these three days. My point is why just bring why why not 690 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.519 just implement them as continual assessment, which is far more effective. You only 691 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:40.239 do a three day board when you haven't had eyes on the person beforehand, 692 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:45.639 you know, for instance, like the Brits do a three day commissioning board 693 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.159 all right, where they put them through all this stuff. But anyway, 694 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.000 you know, a great, great initiative army, But there are other things, 695 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.639 you know, look at your performance evaluation, Look at how bring people 696 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.679 in? Look how do you assess them? And then you got anything? 697 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.880 No, I'm good, cool, Jackalope, you got anything else? No? 698 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.280 No, all right, guys, listen, don't forget to like subscribe, 699 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.559 don't forget to check out the high Side substack with Jack and Sean Naylor. 700 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:24.199 Don't forget to check out Andy Substack, Andy's Twitter. Everything will be 701 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.639 in the bio and in the show notes. You can click those links there. 702 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:34.280 It's very easy checks. 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