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And so I look up and I
see something black in front of me,

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and I'm thinking it's a pig.
I've got a lot of wild hogs in

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that bottom. Of course, they
ain't going through my mind as it's a

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hog, because it's black and it's
flow to the ground. I take a

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few more steps and this thing went
from ground level to a linebacker position,

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and I was just like, what
the heck, because hogs don't stand on

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the islands, or hogs don't grow
like that. Lady skinish and run off.

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And then I looked at it again
and it stood up and it turned

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around so smoothly from facing me to
putting this back towards me, just like

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it was so fluid. And at
that point, I don't know I was

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going to john Land, because I
just flew the camera down, pull my

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pocket knife and went running after it. Do You're listening to the Bigness Society

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Society, I've taken far too much
every time so far, So let's get

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on with the show, all right, Big for Society. I've got the

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privilege of talking to Mark tonight.
He's a hunter in fisherman from Eastern Texas.

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How's it going tonight, Mark,
It's going good. How about you?

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It's going great. We are already
talking a little bit before this,

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and I'm excited to talk to you
about what you've been experienced out in the

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Eastern Texas. I've ever done for
a living. It's hunting face and I've

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been spent lots of times on the
water and lots of times in the woods,

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and never thought my life would encounter
anything where it's being Were you able

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to share the area of Eastern Texas
that these encounters take place in. Well,

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have the most famous lake in the
world, which is Lake Fork.

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There's a big bottom that goes from
Lake Fork to Telwakene there's just a big

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bottom there, uninhabited and everything else. And that's where my recent encounters have

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happened. Gotcha. And if you
were looking at this on a map,

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lake Fork would be east of Dallas, it looks. But how far back

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does this happen? This last thing
encounter was probably we'll see. We're in

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November, so i'd say probably,
Jane, because I was just putting out

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for my deer to see them eating
on the protein and kind of I give

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them names and stuff like that as
they're growing up. Go. Mark.

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What I'm going to do is I'm
going to just let you do what you

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do best, and just do you
mind sharing your story of what happened.

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I'd love for people to know more
about it, because I'm always optimistic and

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this world has so many questions that
are unanswered, and I don't want to

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ever feel like I'm making anything up
or anything like that, because I just

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happened out of occurrence and their straints. And just back up just a little

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bit. I carried up marine biolog
this one time, and I was telling

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him my story and he said,
Mark, he said, you'd be shocked

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at what we pulled out of the
ocean. Sometimes and I said, well,

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I can't imagine what's in those woods. Backing up to my encounter,

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I'm putting out my game camps in
the summer because I know these deer in

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velvet and I want to watch and
see how many bucks I've got coming through

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my property. And so I'm just
lolly jagging around through the woods the middle

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of the day about eleven o'clock,
because my goal was to put my camera

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out and go eat lunch, and
because I normally start my morning's about five

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o'clock, whether I'm working or not. And I'm walking across the pond dam

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and look up and I said,
deer coming at me. And I'm thinking

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that's weird. And it went to
my ride about sixty yards. I walked

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a few more steps, and then
here come another one, and I thought,

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man, it's forty yards. I
said, that's pretty weird. Y'all

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should be going the other direction.
My deer semi tame. I say that

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they see me a lot, so
they're not just terrified of me, but

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to run at me. That's a
little bit interesting. As I'm walking across

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my pond dam and I've got my
cellular camera in my hand. Now I

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don't I like carrying my pone in
the woods, because if you're out here

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putting up the tree ladders or deer
stands and ladder stands, I don't want

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to lose my phone in the woods
because I'd never find it. So I

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just don't given carrot and I'm in
my side, of my side, but

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I do have my cellular camera that
sends pictures back to my cellphone in my

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hand. I'm going across to put
it up across the pond. I look

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up after this deer come at me, and I had cut a limb off

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of a cedar tree that was about
face high when you're on a side by

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side, and I turned this core
on my trail that slapped me in the

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face. So I'd cut it off
and I just flew it down on the

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ground out there in this little opening. This little opening is about side of

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two pickup trucks. And as I
walked across the pond down, I looked

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up, as you would in the
woods. You're going to be looking for

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a movement at any time, and
so I look up and I see something

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black in front of me, and
I'm thinking it's a pig. I've got

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a lot of wild hogs in that
bottom. The first thing goes through my

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mind is it's a hog because it's
black and it's blow to the ground.

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I take a few more steps and
this thing went from ground level to a

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linebacker position, and I was just
like, what the heck? Because hogs

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don't stand on their high ledge or
hogs don't grow like that lead you to

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skimmish and run off. And then
I looked at it again and it stood

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up and it turned around so smoothly
from facing me to putting this back towards

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me, just like it was so
fluid. And at that point, I

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don't know I was going to John
Lane, because I just flew the camera

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down, pulled my pocket knife and
went running after it. And at this

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time I'm thirty yards when I take
off running, it's thirty yards from me.

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It's sts in those woods, and
I just it disappeared. I couldn't

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believe how fast it got away from
my dish. Now my woods ain't completely

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but I could I should have been
able to see this thing for at least

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to her yards before it crossed my
fence road, and I never seen it

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again. At that point, I
went back to my cabin pulled out a

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pen and some paper, and I
drew a sketch of what I had just

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seen because it was fresh on my
mind, and I s flustered. I

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was flustered pretty good because I was
just like mad, I'm not supposed to

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be seen in this here. I
went back got a tape measure after I

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drew the picture up all a piece
of paper, and I knew where it

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walked beside this tree. I went
over to that tree and I measured to

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where I've seen it. Not the
last visual I seen is it walked by

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this tree? Was the knot that
I cut a limb off was even with

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its right ear. Now, I
didn't see no ears. It was too

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hairy to see any years but about
where I would assume the ear would have

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been on its right side. And
I thought when I first seen it,

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get up, to be honest with
you, I thought it was five maybe

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six meet talk and I'm right,
I'm about five ten, five eleven.

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When I got to the tree and
measured, it lost a little socket.

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It measured at six six at the
right ear hole, so they would have

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put the top of the head about
I'd see close to seven somewhere in that

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range, and I started looking around
and I found three sets of tracks where

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it went in, and you can
see the depression in the ground and you

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can see where it smashed the pine
needles down. Keep seeing the toes,

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but you can see the outline of
the foot, but no toes because it's

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just it's good hard ground. What's
funny is one of the tracks sunk in

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and I stood right beside that track, and I couldn't sink the dirt in.

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Evidently it was I'm too fifty,
and then it's heavier than me.

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It didn't look heavier than me,
but it was because of that one step,

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because I couldn't make it go down. A few days goes by and

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I'm out again and I'm going up
that little trail on the side by side,

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and I had to see a black
flash. This is hard from where

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I seen it go into that tree
and it goes across the trail. It

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was so fast it was like if
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across the just that's how I passed. It went across the trail, and

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I've never seen it go through the
woods or nothing again. And I was

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just at that point, I was
just like god wave. Now I've seen

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it twice and I said, this
is I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna

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get a picture of it somehow.
So I had ten game cans out.

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I thinking, if you walk through
my property, I'm going to catch you

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on one of them somewhere somehow.
And I was kept waiting to get pictured.

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About four days later, I'm going
through there to check my cameras and

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I see it on my neighbor's property, just on my back fence, and

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I was able to pull my phone
up and snap a picture. And it's

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a pretty interesting picture. And it
looks just like what I've seen walk away

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from me four days prior, or
three or four days prior. And that's

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the last that I've seen it.
Now. What's interesting is opening morning the

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deer season on rifles season. I
was listening and I've heard these things supposedly

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whistle. I'm not sure if that's
any truth of that or not, but

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I heard three whistles that morning in
the woods and they were several hundred yards

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apart, and it's just the one. It's all okay, if you were

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you had a buddy deer hunting,
you go, I'm over here, I'm

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over here and it's just a several
whistle. I heard those three whistles in

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a triangle area and they come together
and when they you could tell when they

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got closer. They whistle till they
got closer. And it could have been

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people for that matter, I don't
know. But then I heard the dog

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gall You remember though Budwiser commercial bas
he goes ah or something like that.

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Yeah, no way, it's what
it sounds like. It's like, and

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I was like, look, and
then the next thing I know, I

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heard it make two more noise noises. Weird sound. I can't even try

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to do. Couldn't tell you what
sounds like. It's just it wasn't a

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whoop or whatever. But it went
back down in this bottom toward the lake.

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All this is happening pretty much in
that one little corner of my property.

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I've got pretty heavy cameras in there, but I'm still waiting on the

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next encounter. But I want back
up one thing in twenty twenty, where

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I had my game cameras out.
I was checking cameras one day and I

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went through the pictures and I seen
two pigs in the middle of the day

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and they're running and I'm thinking,
I'm always looking to see what my deer

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are running from. Are my hogs
you're running from? Where it's a cow

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ode or hog dogs or whatever.
And I go the next frame, the

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next picture, and I see this
thing coming up. I got a little

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creek that runs through my place,
and I see this thing coming up out

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of the creek. It's sixty feet
in front of my camera. Might even

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be a little further, but it's
pretty good ways. And I showed it

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to Jeff Meldram. Most people in
the big foot world know Jeff Mildram.

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He thought it was pretty interesting,
and I showed him some of the tracks

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I found. He thought it was
pretty interesting. But it looks like a

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gorilla, that's all I can tell
you. It looks just like a gorilla.

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And it's on its knees, and
it's coming up out of that creek,

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and it's got a big old gray
nose, and it's got nostrils.

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You can put you from me.
It's crazy. I all shoots you all

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the pictures I got because that right
there. So like some people go,

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that's a I ain't never seen pigs
run from a bird. And I can't

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make out a bird of it.
I look at a gorilla more than anything.

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Everybody has assumed it in said it's
a gorilla. And at one point

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in the picture, let's just say
you put your your thumb or your fingers

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in your pocket, like your right
pocket, and how your or if you

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just put your finger your hand on
your waist, how your little pinky kind

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of pops out like I can do
it right now. I'm just putting my

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pressure on my right pocket of my
leg, and my pinky just sticks straight

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out. I'm not even trying to
it just sticks out. In this picture

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of what looks to be a gorilla, you can see a finger. You

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can see a gray finger. It's
the only thing that can be. You

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can follow the arm all the way
down and there's a thing. There's a

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finger sticking out there. I don't
it the thanky, but you can see

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the finger. To say I have
something, I've got a neighbor across the

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street. I sell him the pictures. He's got a little bit more racers

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than I do. He was intrigued
by him. And we're gonna keep rying

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out and see what happens next.
Doctor Meldrum has seen the photo. Your

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neighbor has it doesn't sound like this
has been on the internet at all.

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No, Yeah, that'd be very
interesting to see that. So going back

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to when you had seen the creature, would you be able to talk through

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what you drew of the creature,
what details you might remember. Yeah,

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I can see you. I took
a picture of my little drawing, which

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if any of the listeners right now
have ever watched The Adams Family, it

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like Cousin It you remember Cousin.
It is much furball, that's what it

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was, but as black. It's
so basically when I drew it on the

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paper, I drew it about the
size of my thumb and it just made

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the hair outlines. But you could
definitely see and I still remember this right

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now on my mind, just like
I'm looking at it. I can tell

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I remember the back of the head
being a little bit taller than the front,

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like a slide slope, but definitely
bigger in the back than it was

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in the front, if that makes
any sense. It's not like it's got

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a chronicle hand or whatever the people
slay or whatever. It didn't look like

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that. It looked like it definitely
was taller at the back and a little

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shorter above the fore. End.
I do, I do know what you

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mean. Yeah, So it's interesting. I've never heard anyone else use the

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analogy of cousin it, which I
totally know what you're talking about. Is

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there a certain may be too young? Oh, they definitely would be it.

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I just know because I used to
watch Nick at Knight as a lot,

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being a lot younger back in the
day. But anyways, what were

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the specific things you noticed about it
that made you call it cousin it,

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that made you jump right to that
analogy? It was it's pretty hairy.

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It's pretty hairy. I hear a
lot of people say we've seen one,

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and it was like I had the
main her hair was missing. And I

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can see that because the picture of
what I call the gorilla, there's a

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spot right between its eyes on the
top of its head that a big chunk

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of hair is missing. How many
times do you walk through the woods with

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a ball cap on and the limb
knocked your head off, her hat off?

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This gorilla picture had a spot right
there on top of its head that

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you would think was catching limbs and
jerking all the hair out. It's a

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big old ball spot pretty obviously.
But the shine, now here's something that

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I sing two different times on it. One time I sing across the fence

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after it was chasing the pigs.
My girlfriend and I were traveling around the

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back and I seen something on the
other side of the fence low to the

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ground, and I just don't remember
that stuff being there, and they sing

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a note it took off. It
was low the ground. I swing that

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was a pig. But I remember
seeing what looked to me like a silver

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street down its back. What it
was that day across what I've seen it

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turn and walk away from me two
months ago, three months ago in June,

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it looked like right between the shoulder
blades, it had about sixteen or

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eighteen inches of either white hair or
silver hair between the shoulder blades. I'll

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never forget it because it's stook out
big time. But now I also thought,

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could that be a glimmer? And
then I thought no, because what

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I've seen across that pence a year
or so ago it had the same thing.

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So I think I'm dealing with the
same whatever not of you the carn

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I can tell you that you said
it's not a glimmer. Can you define

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what you mean by that? It's
like if sunlight hits a horse's hair,

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give that glare, shiny side,
shining like it's used it or whatever it

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make it shine. Totally got it. And if one of the pictures I

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took where it's going the other side
before it took off running, you can

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see that same shimmer. You can
see it. And it's one hundred yards

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away from me. I say it's
a hundred gard away. Maybe it's seventy

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yards away around, but I got
a pretty good picture of it. You

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can zoom it in and see that
that shine off the hair, So the

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hair sends to be long and black. I don't see any color difference.

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It looks like black as they face. It's black. We don't have bears

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in these Texas. You go north
here toward Oklahoma and maybe see a few

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stragglers coming down where I'm at.
I don't know if the bear has ever

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been seen in our county. Ever, it's a bear. Look, this

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thing was so fast. A bear
couldn't go that fast. It had been

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driven behind a truck. It's not
possible. It's not possible. The steps

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work very far apart going into that
tree line because it had just turned around

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and it didn't have to take the
three steps, and it was in the

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woods, you see what I'm saying, So those steps were not like he

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was trying to get away at that
point. And I never could find any

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in the woods because of the undergrowth
and forage and stuff like that in there.

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But the ones going in were you
see the depression of them in the

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outline of them and stuff like that. How long would you say? The

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tracks were ten to twelve maybe,
okay, and I probably leaned more.

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I probably lean more to the twelves. It's just hard to guess to make

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when you're looking at it on the
ground. But I were a ten and

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a half and it was never a
bit as long as my foot. But

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I'm that's in a boot, So
if you measure the boot was probably twelve

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inches about so cousin it. Yeah, we're just gonna sorry. That's all

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they I can describe it. I
see it, go for it, I

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go for it. It sounds like
you got a look at the face of

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the creature. Was the whole face
covered with hair then? Or I never

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got. All I gotta say is
the back of the head. Okay,

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okay, gotcha never did get But
you could tell when it went as it

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turned around, you could tell that
it was big at the back, and

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it was just I don't know my
dad made slope like that. I don't

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know. It was just a gradual
decline, And I mean that's all.

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I never got to see the things. I want to see the face,

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but never got to see the face. I just got to see the side

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in the head, and I couldn't
even see an ear because if it had

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an ear, it was either really
small or it's covered completely by hair.

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So when you see the pictures I
seen it, it's pretty wooly. I

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can't imagine how it is in this
Texas eat exactly. When it's moving away

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from you, did you notice anything
about the arms or the legs at all?

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No, because see the bush was
at the tree limb that I had

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cut was it stands about four feet
tall. It was most of that was

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behind it. So when it turned
and went away, I'm looking from its

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torso up and it's like it's arms
were right up against its side. So

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when it went in, it was
almost one uniform shape, so to speak,

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not like it was slinging its arms
left and right. It was just

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like you just turned around real slow
and just walked it didn't act like it

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was scared. When it was walking
the night before, I think I'll run,

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and it was walking. But when
I ran, that's one either side.

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Hey, I better get her whatever. I can't believe it'd be scared

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of me. But when I started
running it it was gone. It was

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so fat. I still blowed away
by how fast it actually got into those

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woods. And I never seen it
again. That's impossible because you said that

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you had, you were chasing after
it with You said a pocket knife?

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For what type of knife? I
got? Yeah? So when I finished,

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I carry a small pocket knife.
But when I'm in the woods,

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I carry a big pocket knife.
I say a big pocketknife. It's a

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five entry and it's razor sharp.
I keep it served at all times.

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But it's the only thing I had. I just didn't know what else do

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if I would have it. Now, I carry my nine with me now

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all the time. I don't go
in those woods within even if I'm bow

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hunting, I got with me,
especially after what I've seen. I'm just

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like, man, I'm back there
bow hunting. What am I gonna do?

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Pokemon an era? So I want
to have protection, and I don't

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know that I would shoot one.
This depends. I don't know that I

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would shot. I'm not gonna shoot
anything. I don't know what it is,

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period. But if it turns and
counters me, then I had to

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make a decisions, whether me or
him, and that might bring a decision

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on the play. But I don't
want to shoot one. I just want

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to get a good digual one.
With the things that's happened to me in

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my life in the last ten years, from hunting, experience and stuff.

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Now I'm really buy more than anything. Now. My family has Indian heritage,

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so that if you don't know this, every Indian tribe actually has a

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name for it. Every tide has
a name for it. Even Estimos have

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a name for it. So I
was I wasn't too much into it,

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didn't care whether they existed or not. I've been in the woods all my

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life, didn't care. But now
that the things have happened to me,

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I started looking into it more and
I'm starting to put pieces together. It's

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happened to me through the years,
thinking I've been around these things a lot

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more than I thought I had been. Some of the things I've happened in

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the tracks and stuff like that,
ooh man, it's pretty interesting. I

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ever thought it'd be right here in
my backyard, exactly right. No one

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ever thinks that you talked to your
neighbors as well about them seeing creatures on

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their land as well. It sounds
like, now I have one neighbor that

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we communicate on deer, which I'm
saying, this deer, you seeing it

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on your property, blah blah blah. And I asked him, I said,

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you're further down in that bottom than
I am, and you ever have

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anything weird down there or anything?
And just what are you talking about?

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And I showed him the picture of
that and no, he says, but

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send me that picture. And so
I send him the picture. Yeah,

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he says, I hear some things
down there, but I ain't never seen

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nothing, okay. And I was
like, you know, I'm only like

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five hundred yards from you. Yeah, I'm candy corner of your fence.

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You're down in the bottom. Not
keep an eye out, see there's anything

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happening down there. He ain't never
text back that he's seen anything, but

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he was like, I need to
see that picture, and I show you

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send that to me. Have you
heard any any screams or whoops or anything.

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Yes, okay, gonna paint no
mine. I never did. I'd

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be down there fronting pigs with thermbo
at night and here or stuff. Then

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like, what what is that?
I've heard mountlines, ard, bombcasts,

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boxes Now all make interesting knowledges,
but you can take some of these things.

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You can't put an animal to the
sound, so to speak. And

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I heard some pigs screened for bloody
and murder back there. And we've had

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some pigs show up with ears miss
and I assume that was homeocunners. But

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we've had some pigs that were dead
found dead on my property and they had

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an ear missing, and I thought
that was pretty strange, But I don't

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know. It can be home hunters
taking the ear as a trophear or whatever.

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It sounds like you're you've got an
eye out on your property now you're

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always looking for something to show up, which is cool. Ten camers.

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Yeah, something I also wanted to
talk to you about. And this is

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getting off subject for just for a
little bit, but just because that area

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of Texas is also known for some
other things as well, and some just

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throw it out there. If you've
ever seen or heard anyone that had an

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encounter with like an upbrak canine ever
dothing called a dog man. No,

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now I heard this dog men theory, and I'm not gonna say it don't

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exist again. I'm gonna be optimistic. I'm even optimistic that most likely a

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unicorn don't exist. But you're sure, as I say you don't, somebody

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will find one. So I'm not
going I'm always gonna be optimistic because of

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that. But I never heard anything
like that. What's pretty interesting, Jeremiah,

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because now that I've had this and
started looking into it, I hear

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these so called experts say they follow
waterways. You got to think about where

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I'm at. We had the Sabine
to the south, we had to suffer

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to the north, and then the
Trinity too far back by the way to

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the west. We're kind of in
the middle of a lot. And of

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course you got cat Ole Lake,
the Falkless Monster out of Arkansas, the

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falk Munster, or the legend of
Boggy Creek that's listen, that's and seventy

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miles from me, or where Bombie
Creek runs into Cattle Light. Oh,

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there's no doubt about it that you
are in the right area where a lot

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of stuff happens, So it's not
the question that it doesn't sound like you

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have a zoo right next door,
where like a gorilla could get loose from

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right when people said that gorilla.
When I show people that picture, that

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one, they said that somebody bus
had got one. Look I got loose

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zoo, zoo had a Yeah,
there's been one gorilla and a zoo lost

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around here. Ever, so much
stories gotcha. The other question I I've

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been throwing out just for fun,
is any stories you've ever heard of people

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seeing something that resembles like a hyena. You talking about like a che not

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chep of covers are awesome, but
this would this would be that's a good

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that's a good around here. Okay, Yeah, usually a hyaenas sighting would

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be totally different than a chup of
cobra. But yeah, I guess down

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there you're there's people that actually read
highs and I wouldn't be shocking or some

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in Texas. Oh yeah, that's
a good point. That's a good point.

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Yeah, I've seen a video of
people that brand them and they got

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them as pets. We were talking
earlier about you've had some interesting things you've

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seen up in Oklahoma as well.
Do you mind sharing about that for a

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bit. Now, that's really where
all this starts. That's where it got

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interesting through the years. And like
I said, who would have ever fall?

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I could have had this happen in
my backyard. And I tell people,

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you can't unsee what you've seen.
You can't do it. And you

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might make up stories, but you're
making up a story on something you never

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seen. But when you've seen it. And if people that know me,

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and if you ask him about me, they're going to tell you, Hey,

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that's the most honest guy you're ever
going to meet. My people tell

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me I'm too honest. My daddy
told me not to ever tell a lie.

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You tell a lie, you got
to cover it up with another one.

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So I just tell it like it
is and you can take it for

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what it is, and that's just
what it is. So getting to my

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open almost story, but I want
to start from not the exact beginning,

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but it's part of the beginning.
So almost This old man was a friend

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of my best friend, and he
told us to come up and deer hunt

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with He's gonna come up here,
he goes, I stay after every by

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himself. He bought this acreage.
I can't remember how many acreages it is

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total, but it's kind of bottleneck
south of Tulsa. And he had told

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us when he bought it, he
keeps all the cows on this side because

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on the other side of the creek, it was just he'd lose a cow

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if that guy over there, So
he would never go over there. And

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he's a lazy old man, so
if he's going to hunt, he's sure

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ain't going back there, putting no
effort in it. He didn't hunt the

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meta. He had told us what
he bought that place, that he had

407
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.319
found a human skeleton up in these
rock formations and had a spine on it.

408
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.519
And I thought that's pretty cool.
I'd like, where's that at?

409
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.880
And that went and looked far.
He told me I never did find it

410
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.720
and anything else. So that kind
of comes into play with what may have

411
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.400
happened to me or what has happened
to me. It may have some instances

412
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.200
with that, for that matter,
might have been a juvenile one. For

413
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.920
that matter. Here's how the story
goes. We're hunting, been there hunting.

414
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.559
We probably hundred there for five six
years. Never nothing weird, just

415
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.839
typical deer hunting walk on them as
a two week season, So we're there

416
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.880
during the week of Thanksgiving and then
it's over. It's the week after the

417
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.680
week of and a week after,
so we go off there. We hunt

418
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.599
for three or four five days and
go up to another place in Oklahoma and

419
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:59.359
hunt again. We're walking down the
fence row before daylight or right at daylight.

420
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.680
I want to cross this big creek
which is about a twenty put him

421
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.359
up on the other side. That
turns into an old logging road. So

422
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.960
there used to be an old bridge
at one time there and it's blowed out,

423
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.839
but it's were logging roads on there. And I had a deer feeder

424
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.279
sitting way back in there, and
it took me a pretty good little job

425
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:22.160
to get back there in the dark, and it was I'm not scared at

426
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.200
anything that I know of, but
it was pretty scary walking in there in

427
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.240
the dark because you can't see your
hand in front of your face. We're

428
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.880
walking down the fence road and all
of a sudden, his towels come running

429
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.680
over that. It's like not like
we were going to feed him, but

430
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:40.279
like a stampede and they're just mo
and we're like my best friend. He's

431
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:44.599
a city boy, so he has
no idea about cows, nothing whatsoever.

432
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.440
He looks at me and says,
what's wrong with the cows? And I

433
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.400
was like, dude, I don't
know. I've hunted all over America.

434
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.039
I've ran the deer us for years, and I've seen them around mountain lions,

435
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.279
bears, wolves, towers. I
ain't never seen no cows a like

436
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.200
like these. I guess they got
the mad cow disease, making a humorous

437
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.599
part of it. They ran back
cow and you can stillhou with them in

438
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.519
the pasture a little bit because it's
starting to get it's not daylight. The

439
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.599
sun is coming up, so the
skylines right, but the lower base is

440
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.039
dark still. They make them about
a I don't know, fifteen to seventy

441
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.599
five yards circle and they came back
and they ran into that bombed wire fence

442
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.799
at full speed, just like you
were hurting buffalo off a cliff or whatever,

443
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:35.000
and they cut theirself. They bent
three of the tea posts over with

444
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.119
the weight of them hit it at
a pretty good speed. We jumped back,

445
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:45.160
what the heck? And my buddy
says, man something rolled the cows,

446
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:46.720
and he said, what are you
thinking, I said, dude,

447
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.039
I don't tell you. I don't
know, but I tell you this,

448
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.000
whatever scaring them might scare me,
I ain't going in the woods till I

449
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.680
seek it. I just got a
bowl in air. You got a gun,

450
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.480
I got a bowl air. I
ain't going in there. I didn't

451
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.319
even have my pills. He said, I'm going to go get the blind.

452
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.599
He rolled out and gets the bike, and I wait there for a

453
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.160
little bit. I decided I'm better
get going because it's a long ways back

454
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.839
there to my feet, and it's
probably already gone off, and I'm gonna

455
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.759
walk up and scared of the deer
I'm trying to kill. I start up

456
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.240
this logging road. It's one of
them cool mornings, not a hot morning,

457
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.039
and not a cold morning, but
a little hard for a jacket if

458
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.200
you're going to be hiking, like
I was, three quarters of a mile

459
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.000
to get to that stand back there. So I'm going up this logging road.

460
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.920
And I'm walking up the logging road, and I stopped to take my

461
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.960
jacket off to stick at my backpack. And I understand when I get back

462
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.880
there, I carry a backpack and
I'm musa stay all day. I ain't

463
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.759
going back there for two hours in
the morning, two hours even I'm staying

464
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.200
all day. So I stick in
my jacket into my backpack and I'm out

465
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.559
in the middle of that logging road. And that's when I look up and

466
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.279
I see a big track right in
the middle of that road. And it's

467
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:59.000
obvious what made it. You can
count all my toes. I didn't measure

468
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.960
it, but I guess it to
be fifteen inches and it's about seven to

469
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.759
eight inches wide. I see it, and I'm just like an, oh,

470
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.320
my lord. And I turned in
a little cause I see what direction

471
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.320
it went, and it went off
the road and it's going towards this rock

472
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.960
for Mason over on the hill.
Then those tracks were between three and a

473
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.360
half and four feet apart in stride, and when it stepped off the road,

474
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:30.239
it sunk like three inches. It
sucks, and I was like,

475
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.000
oh man. And it was just
when it got off that logging road and

476
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.239
started going toward that hill. You
could see how much it was sinking in

477
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:42.360
the ground and how much money is
flicked. You run like a horse through

478
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.880
a muddy area, it just drops
it up. They sink and blud goes

479
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:47.400
everywhere and all that. So I
was like, man, So I found

480
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.119
the rock and I put it on
that track, and I said, I'm

481
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.599
gonna bring my best friend back in
there and show them that. Now I

482
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.960
know what is scared those cows.
That's what scared those cows. And in

483
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.239
front of me, somehow walk up
the logging road about twenty more yards out

484
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:08.119
here, just like a baseball bat, it hits. Look, I didn't

485
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.079
know what that was, didn't that
didn't care. I just want to get

486
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.880
back to my stand. But to
be honest with you, after seeing that

487
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.000
track, I'm not deer hunting anymore. I'm looking for what made that track,

488
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.039
and I want to see it before
it sees me. So I'm going

489
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.159
back in there and I get my
stand. I stay all day. I'm

490
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.960
looking. I've seen a few deer, but didn't see a lot that day.

491
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.360
It didn't seem like they were moving
around very good. And it might

492
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.599
be because this thing was in the
areer. I come out of there,

493
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.400
told my best friend, and this
day I said, I know what's scared.

494
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:42.519
When we got out of the woods
at night, and I know what

495
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.320
scared of those cows. He said, what's that? I said, bigfoot?

496
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.199
He said, Bigfoot. You Bigfoot, I said, Scott. I

497
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.840
said, hew, hey, years
we've been up together, he said about

498
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.719
thirty. I was like, have
you ever heard me say anything about Bigfoot?

499
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.079
And he said nope. I said, I'll tell you. I've got

500
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.719
a track up there in that longing
road here. It's going to freak you

501
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.480
out when you see it. You're
gonna look at me and go up.

502
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.840
And I said, you just wait, I'll show it to you more.

503
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.239
I got a rock way up in
the road, looking where's it? So

504
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.760
I took it back in there and
showed him the next day. That's pretty

505
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.480
interesting. He said, that's pretty
interesting. Still skeptical, didn't want to

506
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.800
believe it, but it was like
because he thought I might have been playing

507
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.840
off. So I'm not a hotter. I'm a christer sometime, but I'm

508
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.000
not a holster. So he's that's
pretty interesting. So we went on the

509
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.559
honey never seen nothing else. Blah
blah blah. We try to go back

510
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.320
a year or two after and they
have a big flood and we can't get

511
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.159
to the other side of the creek
where we have two boll feters over there,

512
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.400
one for him and one for me. If he decides boa, and

513
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.639
so we couldn't get back there and
fill him up because of the flood.

514
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.639
So I said, I'll go up
for the summertime when the creek is low

515
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.519
down and there's no no water and
they're very little bit water in it.

516
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.119
There's always water in it, but
it won't be a bunch. So I

517
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.079
come back about ten years later and
I come out. I think it's June

518
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:13.960
or July. So I pulled down
my fourwheel off and I'm trying to get

519
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.800
my fourwheel loaded up the corn and
I go down the creek and I'm looking

520
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.199
around to see where that I used
to get a good red up that embankment

521
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.000
at the forty five and catch up
logging road and go back and fill my

522
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:28.239
feet er up. It all rushed
out when we had a big flood.

523
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.880
It just washed the whole embankment out. So I'm walking around in the creek

524
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:37.559
and I hear this. At that
point, I had a forty caliber on

525
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.840
my side because I knew I was
gonna see a snake on that creek somewhere

526
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.960
somehow, so I always carry my
pistol for seating snakes in the summertime.

527
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.119
This thing was up on this ledge
and ground. I mean, and it

528
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.480
sounds like a dog, but it
sounded like a bull. At the same

529
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.760
time, I know we don't have
no cattle on that side of the creek,

530
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:00.199
So whatever this is, I'm thinking, h I've never heard anything like

531
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.199
that, But I got a forty
cabal. I'm a pretty good shot.

532
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.719
Don't mess with me or if fuge
whatever. It does it about probably four

533
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:15.840
times, but then about a twenty
minute span, and at that time I

534
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.159
start walking down the creek to look
for another place to get my four wheel

535
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.079
or up the creek jail, and
I can hear it walking with me up

536
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.480
on top of this hee O can't
see it. I'm done it. It's

537
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.440
twenty foot deep in that creek probably
or at least a thing, and I

538
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.000
can hear it walking through the bush
up there, and I go down this

539
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.559
way and then I hear it's follering
me, it's tracking me or whatever.

540
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:43.639
Now I tht that's pretty interesting that
whatever it is is definitely paying attention to

541
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.920
me. And at that point I
turned and I looked at when I sang

542
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:53.760
seven sets of tracks coming off the
side of that creek buff and they were

543
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.480
going in an angle instead of just
jumping straight off. It was like I

544
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.000
did my four wheer. I get
a run at it, angle and go

545
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.559
up. These were coming down.
So I went over there and put my

546
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.320
boot beside them, and they were
about eleven inches long. But what I

547
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.960
thought was weird about those is that
the toes were long like my fingers.

548
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.400
They weren't like big and wrong.
They were really long and skinny. You

549
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.800
could see the big toe was more
like a thumb. The other ones were

550
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.519
right along with skin and they were
about three of maybe three and a half

551
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.360
of the party didn't have near as
big as stride as the one I've seen

552
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.440
years by prior. And I was
like an old man, there's a different

553
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.880
one, because I knew those weren't
from the same one I've seen earlier several

554
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:46.559
years before. And I had taken
pictures of the ones that I found three

555
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.760
or four years before, and I
had them on one of my phones,

556
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.239
and I had lost I transferred to
my pictures from one phone to another,

557
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.159
and then sometimes with my game cams, go with my cell cam, and

558
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.079
sometimes I just go through there to
leave pictures and I either deleted them or

559
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.559
they got removed when I switched hoall
so I didn't have those first sets of

560
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.719
tracks. I had them in an
email because I emailed them just a couple

561
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.280
of tables, so I can look
back in my email and find them.

562
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.039
But it may be thousands of them
to go through. But I definitely got

563
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.360
them an emails. I remember emailing
them to a few people. I go

564
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.960
up there to get a cattle panel. I'm gonna get a cattle panel laying

565
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.039
on the side of the creek where
I can catch it with my nobbes and

566
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.880
go up to catch that logging road. And I was just going to wire

567
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.599
this cattle panel into the side of
the creek kennel so I can get a

568
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.199
run and get tracks in and get
on the back there. And because I'm

569
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.920
not hauling corn back here on my
back, I'm getting on that fore winder.

570
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.920
I had a two wheel drive.
I'm going up to the barn to

571
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.760
get the cattle panel and owners up
there at the barn. And then so

572
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.559
I said, hey, buddy,
I said, you got a digital camera,

573
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.519
and he said I do. I
said, you got a bigfoot living

574
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.039
on this dead gun place. Because
I found some more tracks. I said,

575
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.079
you remember them I found a couple
years ago. He said, yep,

576
00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.360
I said, well, I found
some more today. They're not as

577
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.480
big, but they're back there.
And he was like a kid in the

578
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.960
candy start. I said, get
your digital camera and meet me down there

579
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.239
at the creek and we'll get some
cameras that I want them on a SD

580
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.039
card so we can't lose them.
I don't want to lose them. And

581
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.519
he gets his camera and I'm down
there buyer and this cattle panel up.

582
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:17.440
He comes down there and says he's
looking at me. Said, man,

583
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.760
that's pretty good idea. Mark.
I would have never thought that. I

584
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.239
said, I'm a guy on this
type of stuff. I can come up

585
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.079
with things. He said, yeah, I would have never thought that.

586
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.320
You put that cattle panel down on
that soft sand and you just run over

587
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.800
it and go back there. We're
sitting there talking, he's on the players

588
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.679
and all of a sudden he goes
again, and I'll tell you this old

589
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.119
man's eyes, guy's bigger around,
it's soft. He lived in me,

590
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.559
he said, Mark, I'm seventy
three years old. I ain't never heard

591
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.760
nothing like that. I started loud, and I said, it's already done

592
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:52.559
that to me like five times or
six times. He said, I don't

593
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.840
have a clue. I said,
I knew it wasn't none of your cows,

594
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.199
because you want a cattle. He's
absolutely not. I wouldn't put my

595
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.800
cows over. I wou never find
them, he said. But I ain't

596
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.800
never heard nothing like that. So
we're sitting there talking again and we try

597
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.920
to get quiet. When we start
here, it makes them I don't know,

598
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:08.480
it made a couple of weird little
bee noise. It's not like a

599
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:14.840
mouse like like he was popping his
lift to be like like that, and

600
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.000
I was like, he goes,
that's weird. So anyway, Big asked

601
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.440
about three or four more times,
and then it just got quiet. When

602
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.559
we could hear it up there moving
around when we was move or whatever we

603
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.119
could hear. He gets the pictures, he said, I can't wait to

604
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.079
sew them to the game boarding because
that's just crazy. So he takes all

605
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.400
these pictures and we got them on
his camera and I get on back there

606
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.000
and fill my feet up. I
never seen nothing when I get on top

607
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.719
of that hill, and never did
or anything like that when I was getting

608
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.440
back there to hunt. When we
came to hunt during the fall, I

609
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.320
was going with that logging road.
And when I sold my best friend that

610
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.920
that track a few years before with
a rock, I removed those rocks the

611
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.079
rock to the side. When I
came back up this time, there was

612
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.159
two rocks in the middle of the
road, and I'm thinking I didn't put

613
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.519
them there. I'll removed them from
last time. Those rocks have been there

614
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.880
in years and there was only one, but there at this time there was.

615
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.679
I'm starting to go back there to
hunt, and I checked my finger

616
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.400
before we started hunt actually is what
it was. And there's a tree laying

617
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.280
across the road. I'm thinking,
that's weird. I jump the gun here.

618
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.519
I gotta go back to the game
warding story real quick, but went

619
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.480
back up. I well, going
back to the tree. He goes his

620
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719
sols a game warden. Two weeks
later game board drug and they were bear

621
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.960
tracks. But they're not bear tracks. They were too long to be bear

622
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.320
tracking. Bear don't have a three
and a half flip's dride anyway. And

623
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:35.519
he said they got behind his house. He heard some noises behind the house

624
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.280
for a bottle week and they disappeared. That was all before we got to

625
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.599
Goldfare and hunt. Before the tree
and the rocks, we go back up

626
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.000
there, and I'm going across and
there this tree. It's uprooted, it's

627
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.719
got a rootball on the end of
it. It's laying across my trail,

628
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:55.320
the logging road. Speaking around as
of football fifteen eighteen pe long. It's

629
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.559
not something you're gonna pick up real
easy and move. I was able to

630
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.599
grab one and just moving around off
the road and going in there with my

631
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:06.239
fourhead. I could have probably just
jumped over it, but I thought,

632
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:07.400
well, I don't want to do
that and take too much time. I'm

633
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.239
just go ahad and move it out
way. So I got off, moved

634
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:13.880
that way. I go back there
and I hunt. About two days later,

635
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.840
I'm going back in there, and
the two rocks were back in the

636
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.760
road and the tree was across the
road again. I'm thinking, okay,

637
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:25.880
somebody jacking with me. This is
crazy, this isn't I still never found

638
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.360
where that rootball come from. I
looked all up and down the side of

639
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.480
the road, and here's a tree
that's got a pretty good root ball on

640
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:37.000
it, bigger than a trash can, bigger than I I got a buck,

641
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.000
That's what I'm saying. And I
can't see any Rord's been uprooted.

642
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.960
It was put there in that road. There's nowhere up down that road.

643
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.079
I could see where that thing was
jerked out at. I moved them again,

644
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.519
went in in another day or two, every singing, nothing, every

645
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.079
seeing nothing else. Never heard of
it. We came back the next year,

646
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:58.719
and about one hundred dollars before my
deer stand, a bigger tree was

647
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.199
laid across road, and this one
was big enough you wouldn't go to move

648
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.800
unless he had a tracker, so
it could have been a dead follow.

649
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.639
But I never could find where it
fell. It was like a tree top

650
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.800
and fell out and then something was
just put in there. I never see

651
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.320
the root ball was it or anything
like that. I could see where it

652
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.719
fell out, and so that was
basically then. Never see anything else other

653
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.719
than that. But I've kept my
eyes opening. And of course we don't

654
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.119
hunt there no more. The old
man's moved on and all that kind of

655
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.679
stuff, so we don't hunt there
anymore. But he did say his neighbor

656
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.000
had brought on a trail cam or
a game cam, but I never did

657
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:36.280
get a chance to go see that
either. But that's my almost start.

658
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.679
It's a wild one, especially that
noise that you guys heard. Are you

659
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:49.079
able to share any more specifics about
the area that was? I know you

660
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.960
mentioned it was like south of Tulsa, right, Yeah, Bristol we hunted

661
00:45:54.199 --> 00:46:00.559
is out of Bristol, and between
Bristol and there's a national forest there are

662
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.360
I forget what they call the Waldmoff
management areas. Huh, we were hunting,

663
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:09.800
not there's a Litlock management area probably
about five miles from the actually it's

664
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:15.880
probably probably three miles from us.
And we were back down in there between

665
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.840
Bristol and that wildlife management area,
which is I think there's two or three

666
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.960
big creeks in there at that time. I don't know what the names of

667
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.239
them are, but those creeks they
travel all up through there in all but

668
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.159
yeah, Bristol or v R STO
dous, I don't know how they pronounce

669
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.559
it up there. Very interesting.
I'm sure there'll be some listeners that hear

670
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.960
this, and man, they might
even know that that same area. It'll

671
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.519
be interesting to hear if anyone reaches
out they see something in that area.

672
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.519
Great. Yeah, once you've seen
it, you just can't see that.

673
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.119
It's not like imaginary I got imaginary
friend over here. It's not like that.

674
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.199
I sure changed my attitude a lot. When I'm in the woods,

675
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:01.760
I am old guard, like nobody's
business. Going back to your property down

676
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.559
in Texas, do you think that
there's two different types of bigfoot down there?

677
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.679
You mentioned you have the picture of
the gorilla, then you have the

678
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.199
cousin it. I think the girl
of the cousin are the same. But

679
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.159
I think the same one. Okay, yeah, because they're they're they're all

680
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.719
in a they're all in this corner. It is the thickest corner on my

681
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:30.039
property. It is the thickest cover
on my property. So it makes total

682
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.480
sense. You're gonna hide. You're
gonna hide where it's thickest. And it's

683
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.840
in that little area where it can
be undertake it. I can see it

684
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:44.000
moving. The guy behind the wildlife
bag exit the only bowl hunt and they're

685
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.719
just there very seldom. Nobody owns
the twelve acre people the twelve acres to

686
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.840
the north of me. That's pretty
thick. Never seen anybody over there ever,

687
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.719
And that's where I think it's if
it has a home or where it's

688
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.519
hanging out, I think that's where
it's hanging because that's the thickest place,

689
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.639
and there's something to think about it. And I thought about this after our

690
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.880
people say they seen them eight nine, ten, twelve feet tall, and

691
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:15.159
twelve would be just that's what the
gigantical pittureus. That's what I think some

692
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.679
of the is not gonna be.
You gotta think about this. If you're

693
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.800
gonna do the woods, and the
woods are thick, and it's just standing

694
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:27.159
there and all you're gonna feaze two
legs, and if the cover's got everything

695
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.280
else broken up. If it's fairly
tall, so if you're not looking mid

696
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.760
rains, you could probably miss it
completely because you just seen with the legs

697
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.639
or trees. That's in my opinion. If it was very tall, if

698
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.199
it was eight nine, ten feet
tall or whatever, I would tek you

699
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.480
that some of the brush that I'm
looking at, the underbrush comes up so

700
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.639
far you can see trees so far
that middle torso area would just be camouflaged

701
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.920
by trees. You wouldn't be looking
at it as it's something solid. You

702
00:48:54.039 --> 00:49:00.400
just see two legs a little like
two trees. It would be the the

703
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.320
weirdest thing in the world. I
can't imagine how I would even get through

704
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.960
there. Yeah, I couldn't imagine
you could do it, but hey,

705
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.519
I want I want to back that
up with something I had watched. Elk

706
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.719
that have hoards as light as the
hood of my truck runs through a forest

707
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.280
and not hit hardly a branch or
not take their head plum off. And

708
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.599
I'm thinking, how is that possible. I've seen elk with massive racks go

709
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.559
through some of the tightest cover.
They lean the head back and run and

710
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.199
right through there a hundred mile and
ire to get away from you. And

711
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.840
you would think that that their horse
would catch a limb and jerk their head

712
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:37.719
flow back or do a back with
right through there. It's amazing what thing

713
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.119
to do? But I want to
give you something else. So people ask

714
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.159
me, what do you believe almost
had to now? I said, did

715
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:50.280
I care before? I always suckers. I'm always optimistic. The white deer

716
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.920
exists, but if you go try
to find one, you'll spend a lot

717
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.840
of money trying to buy one and
probably not ever buy one. And then

718
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:00.800
somebody says you, hey, I
got one of my backyard eating cheeres or

719
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.760
whatever. So I look at it
like that, Why there exists? But

720
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:10.400
how many do you see or it's
pretty rare. I think there's more than

721
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.960
people think there is. I definitely
think there's you know, there's too many

722
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.639
people. A million signings a year
by whatever it is, or a hard

723
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.400
thousand, I don't know. They
all can't be hoaxers and liars. You

724
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:29.280
can't be. Have you thought to
yourself, what is it that it actually

725
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:34.320
is? It has to be.
It's got to be a cross. That's

726
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.920
the all thing I can figure.
It's got too much intelligence man to be.

727
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.679
I won't say that one hadn't been
killed, because I think some probably

728
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.639
were killed in the eighteen nineteen hundreds. If you look into Teddy Roosevelt,

729
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:51.920
I think it was Teddy Rose wrote
a book about one killing one and they

730
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.119
were running trap line and one of
his best friends got killed running tracks by

731
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.320
one, and suppose he shot at
it or killed it or whatever. I

732
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.960
can't remember the name of the book
that trout, but I don't even remember

733
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:07.119
what year it was because I'm older
than that. But but so it's like

734
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:14.559
this, it's got to be.
It's got to have the Neanderthal survival deal.

735
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.480
And maybe it's an an apron it. We'll go back to this thing

736
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.000
called gigantic e. Pithick. It's
something that wasn't supposed to make it through

737
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.719
the ice age that did. There's
a lot of things guar, gold fin,

738
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.480
several species space made it through the
ice age. Why couldn't on mapple

739
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.480
that has intelligences the place maybe to
get warm, stay warm, or figure

740
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.760
it out or whatever. Something.
It's kind of be a cross of something.

741
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.079
It just has. When I see
what I seen, and it has

742
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.719
a human foot track for the most
part, other than one has the long

743
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.960
fingers, that was real scratching my
head. But I will say this,

744
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.880
I did find a track online it
looked just like what I found in the

745
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:58.199
second time at Bristol, I did
find one just like it online. So

746
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.519
it's evidently it's something that happens from
time to time or just maybe weait step

747
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.760
steps or whatever. But man,
there's just so much in this world we

748
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:15.280
don't know about. But it had
intelligence, because how can you survive and

749
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:21.480
not be detected on a daily basis
as is? But here's the other thing,

750
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.199
and I said this to some of
my friendsation Man, you're to go

751
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:29.199
out and do some night searching.
Look, I've seen some of these TV

752
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:34.079
shows and I'm not going I don't
want to use the word idiot, but

753
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.320
I want to put it in a
paraphrase so you understand it the more.

754
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:43.039
If you go hunting something bright in
the darken night, even if you fight

755
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.960
it, you're still a zero.
Does that make sense? I don't understand

756
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.639
it. These things are seeing in
the daytime as much as they're seen at

757
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:55.480
night. Why would you not try
to prove the species in a daytime because

758
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.639
if you find them at night on
the thermal, there's still skepticism that's going

759
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.599
to show up. They we're gonna
go there can be a human because you

760
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.400
ain't got what have you got?
In the daytime, it's a little bit

761
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.239
more convincing because you get a better
picture. So I don't like to use

762
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.199
the word idiot, so I want
to retract that. But I'm just saying

763
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.320
that I'm not going to go looking
for something black in the black of the

764
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:20.400
night. I don't care if you
call it up or whatever, because I

765
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.360
call coyotes up at night, and
I call coyotes up in the daytime,

766
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.920
and if it's a predator, it's
looking for a meal. I don't care

767
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:29.400
what time the dated. I get
hungry at eighty quick in the morning I

768
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.920
get ugry at me. I won't
get up and go fee. Oh absolutely,

769
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.400
Mark, it has been a really
fun chat with you, and I

770
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:43.880
would love it if you could.
If there's other stuff that happens on your

771
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.559
property, definitely keep me up to
date and send me an email. Man.

772
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.480
Like I said, I don't want
to kill it. I will a

773
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:59.079
good solid picture that right now.
I would tell if anyone or whatever.

774
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:00.519
I said, hey, I'll tell
you. I know what I seen.

775
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:05.440
I can't take that back. I
ain't try to pull a little buller on

776
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:09.480
nobody's eyes or nothing. And I'm
just like, hearing these texts, I'm

777
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.400
shocked, I really am, because
this is not supposed to happen where I'm

778
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.719
at. My brother in law he
was like, boy, I don't know

779
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.880
what you got going on down there, but you got going on something.

780
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:24.639
I want to mention one of that. You hear the term with the orbs

781
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:30.679
and stuff with bigfoot. I had
a couple of deals on camera like little

782
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.559
orbs and people said, that's dust
particles going through the air. Yeah,

783
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.519
we've seen something that looked like as
we've seen something look like a Christmas ornament,

784
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.760
all this kind of stuff. But
one morning I'm down there, I'm

785
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.400
hunting buying, and I take my
brother while he's hunting out of his hunt

786
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.119
and buying at another place. I
said, you wouldn't believe what I'm looking

787
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.800
at. He said, wasn't that. I'm looking up in a tree and

788
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:59.719
it's like there's a spotlight up or
that tree. He's really, I said,

789
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.960
now, And the sun's not even
close to coming up. And I

790
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.639
said, it looks just like a
little head laugh, a little little light

791
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:14.400
up there. And I watched this
thing for eight to thirty minutes, and

792
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.639
I don't know if it was a
reflection in all seven or what. It's

793
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.199
stuff in a tree like thirty five
forty feet And then all of a sudden,

794
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.119
I looked back on where I've looked
away and looked back and still there.

795
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.760
And I looked back and it's gone, and I've never seen it again.

796
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.239
I thought, that is weird,
wow, because it was just it

797
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.719
looked like a little light up front
the top of a tree. And I

798
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:37.159
was like, and he said,
the weirdest stuff goes on down there.

799
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.360
I know, but that light.
I don't believe in the orb stuff,

800
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:45.599
but that was pretty weird. That
that was pretty weird. You would have

801
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:49.440
thought somebody was too hunting they had
in one of them trees, because it

802
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.519
just set up for a little bit
and I watched it, and it may

803
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.360
have been a reflection of sunlight coming
through something or whatever. But that's pretty

804
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.960
weird. That's the only thing I've
ever seen as a lighter and on cameras

805
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:06.559
and stuff. I don't believe in
that orbs stuff, but that was freaky.

806
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.760
You definitely have some weird stuff going
on down there, Mark, for

807
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:14.559
sure. I'm beginning to think so, because like I said, so I

808
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.519
get my you know, some of
my buddies that come out will hall hunting.

809
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:20.960
Well, sometimes we have here something
that the most time we don't.

810
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.079
It's just difficult. Oh what And
every now I am will you or something?

811
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:28.039
It's a little different, but most
times you can same old stuff.

812
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.800
But it's like right now, I
said, So, the last time I

813
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.480
seen it was probably probably in let's
see somewhere, probably August was the last

814
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.159
time that I said, I've seen
the picture of the date on it,

815
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:42.280
So you'll be able to that'll be
my last picture, uh as a day

816
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.599
not saying it, I said,
no more size. I look in the

817
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.840
mud all the time. All the
time I'm looking around my pond perspective,

818
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.639
I am looking. I'm looking at
the creek, cattles and stuff. I'm

819
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:58.159
always looking for that little something different. Oh, I know what I'm gonna

820
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.559
tell you. So, my grandson, uh, we were where I seen

821
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:07.320
this thing at before I had explained
to him or where I seen it or

822
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.559
this, but about a month before
that, before I seen it, we

823
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:15.440
were walking through there and there was
a peak skeleton and a tree about I

824
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.920
don't know, five foot tall,
and it was in the fork of a

825
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.639
tree. Oh really, And my
grand says, says, yeah, My

826
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.440
grand said, goes look here.
I'm like, yeah, why'd you do

827
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:28.800
that? Far? He said,
I didn't do that. I said,

828
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.360
yeah you did. He said,
no, I didn't. I said whatever.

829
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:36.000
And I just shook it off like
I didn't think nothing of it,

830
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.079
didn't think nothing of it. Well, right where I seen that thing,

831
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:42.639
walked to the tree the other side
of that little opening that tree was in.

832
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.800
That tree is about as big around
as a Copenhagen can about about that

833
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:52.840
size of that. Have you to
do that smart? Actually, probably about

834
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:58.000
the size of a red bull can
be more more accurate. Anyway, The

835
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:04.440
tree is just bit over, pushed
over, and the skull is about twenty

836
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.679
five feet from where it was in
the tree. But I thought that was

837
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:13.599
pretty weird. Yeah, that's very
weird because he swears he said I did

838
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.679
not put that there, paper Mark. I said, yeah, you did.

839
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.559
He's no, I did not,
And I was like, boy,

840
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.480
don't be pulling on my leg like
that. And I didn't do it.

841
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.159
He said it was there, That's
why I told you. And I was

842
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:30.000
like, I didn't do it.
And it's just a little from one of

843
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:36.679
the pigs we'd shot when it was
shoved in the fork of that limb and

844
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.960
it was jammed in there or whatever, and I just I never even judged.

845
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.159
I just looked together, Yeah,
you're just jerking my chain. But

846
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.800
now that makes sense because it's not
forty feet from work, walked by that

847
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:52.480
tree. Everything's happening in that corner. Everything's happening in that corner. I

848
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.480
would be really aware when you're gone
back there, for sure. Mark,

849
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.079
I'm telling you, I don't want
to get in my boat stand without my

850
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.480
pistol. I got my pistol mean
all time now, But again, I

851
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.280
don't want to shoot it. I
just want to self protection. I don't

852
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.599
know what I'm doing with something.
Will somebody, I will say one more

853
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.280
thing. I know you're probably ready
to get off here. Somebody said,

854
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.840
what about homeless people. I'm like, yeah, that's possibility. You remember

855
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.119
when back in the old days mountain
men go up to the mountains and you've

856
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:24.559
never seen again. Sure, okay, Indian tribes and I can't remember which

857
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:29.599
ones. I'm trying to think.
It might have been either the sewer or

858
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:38.599
the crow if you dishonored the tribe, or we're caught doing something with a

859
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.360
squaw or and somebody will probably lavigate
on this a little bit more, but

860
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.320
they would kick you out of the
tribe and tell you to go to the

861
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.639
mountains and never be seen again.
And so I've often wondered if this could

862
00:59:53.639 --> 01:00:00.079
be some past episodes of that,
because I'm turnish. It's more than one

863
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:06.519
tribe, but it's either the Sioux
the crow, I can't remember, but

864
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.159
one of them, maybe all of
them, I don't remember. I can't

865
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:16.079
remember for cheroch here Commanche. But
what whatever, There may be something just

866
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:21.440
in the Native American bill. Somebody
may, like I said, chime in

867
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.320
on that at one point and see. But I do know that I've heard

868
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:29.880
that years and years ago that if
they did something dishonored the tribe, they

869
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.559
were kicked out. And sometimes they
would give them a squaw and they would

870
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:36.760
send them out and say, don't
come back. You're no more part of

871
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:40.239
this tribe. You're done, and
they go into the mountains of wilderness and

872
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:44.320
never to be seen again. What
if they got up there and started a

873
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:50.159
breeding population is like the ab I
can't even pronounce at from Bernigel or Order

874
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.400
in Australia or whatever. There's travel
people that they keep. In fact,

875
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:59.599
I heard they found one just the
other day, another tribe that never even

876
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.960
ever been found. But it is
very interesting how in certain parts of the

877
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:10.199
world there are still tribes that don't
have contact really with the outside. Let's

878
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.000
saying we know everything, and again
it goes right back to that circle we

879
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.800
keep meeting that dead horse. We
don't know everything. We're not ever going

880
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:23.400
to know everything. We just got
to take each grain and or each piece

881
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.639
of the puzzle and put it together
and one day it's gonna come up there.

882
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.880
But you know what, with proven
let's just say Bigfoot, in its

883
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:37.960
existence at all, there's lots of
examples of blood and hair. Just Mildron's

884
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:43.960
got a man. He told me
some stories that were just awesome and some

885
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.760
of the tracks he's casted and stuff
like that. And I got to visit

886
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:52.079
with him at one of the Bigfoot
conventions or conferences, and I end up

887
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:59.239
buying one of the casts from Paddy
out of California. And I can say,

888
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.960
out of a hown that compared to
the ones that when I found in

889
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:08.320
Oklahoma, they're not near as big
as Patty close. They're good, but

890
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.760
party's like eighteen inches. It's a
big old track. It's seventeen eighteen inches

891
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.239
the one no longer went out of
me, but real similar. That's about

892
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.480
all I got. I just keep
an eye on on it, and Buddy,

893
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:22.440
I'll tell you if I get it, I'll get hold of you.

894
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:27.440
And I said, we get through
here, I want to send you these

895
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.119
pictures, and I wanted to know
when I send you these pictures, I

896
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:34.760
want you to text me right back
and tell me what your thoughts are.

897
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.679
You tell me, because I'm always
open to if you think that's a it's

898
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:43.079
not a buzzard. I'm not going
to go for that because it's too shining

899
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.880
there's no feathers. It's not a
buzzard. But he said, that does

900
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.360
look like a gorilla, or that
does look like a Harry homeless person or

901
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.920
whatever. I'll take any thinking at
least put it into play, you know

902
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:01.199
for sure. Alrighty man, I
enjoyed that doing it. Everybody got to

903
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.320
hear this, and no, I'm
just telling it just like it is,

904
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.679
and it is what it is,
and you can't say what you're saying.

905
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.960
And maybe there's a reason why I'm
supposed to say. Good Lord knows,

906
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.639
I know. There you go.
Mark, It's been a pleasure chatting with

907
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:21.320
you, and I hope to be
chatting with you again in the future.

908
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:24.760
Joo, thank you. You're at
Bigfoot Society. Art goal is to provide

909
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:30.599
a platform for those that have encountered
Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe

910
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:36.880
and respected environment. But we need
to hear your story. If you've experienced

911
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:43.320
something that you just can't explain,
please send me an email at Bigfoot Society

912
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.840
at gmail dot com. Then we
can start the conversation. I know a

913
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:52.360
lot of you have not shared your
encounter at all. It's been twenty years

914
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:58.400
and it's time that you get this
off your chest and then you can get

915
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:02.159
some well deserved rest, because I
know you haven't been sleeping. I understand

916
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.480
what you're going through, and I
appreciate every one of you listening